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Is there a future for the Russian village?

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Is there a future for the domestic village? It would seem that when there was a state on the map of such a state as the Soviet Union, such a question was inappropriate. However, certain demographic problems in the Russian village (namely, the Russian) began to appear even when the collapse of the USSR could only have been imagined in a nightmare.


The initial decline in the traditionally high birth rate in the village, and then the massive outflow of young people from the village, is recorded in the results of the all-Union population censuses. The last Soviet census, which was held in January 1989, showed that the increase in the number of inhabitants of the Union was carried out solely due to a rather impressive increase in the population of cities (especially republican, regional, regional and district centers). And if the growth of the urban population showed up throughout the post-war period, then the number of villagers from the mid-fifties began to decline quite clearly.

If we talk about the period from 1959 to 1989 years, the urban population of the Soviet Union increased by almost 89 million people, but the number of rural residents during the same period of time decreased by more than 10 million citizens.

As specific examples of changes in the number of inhabitants in the RSFSR, it is worthwhile to cite data for several cities and towns and villages of rural importance. The choice will be based on their belonging to different regions and different groups in terms of population, so that the sample is more or less representative. So, cities: Moscow, Sverdlovsk (now Yekaterinburg), Khabarovsk, Pskov, Shilka (now Trans-Baikal Territory).

Population growth in Moscow from 1959 to 1989 amounted to 3,88 million people, population growth in Sverdlovsk (Yekaterinburg) over the same period - 586 thousand people, Khabarovsk - 277 thousand people, Pskov - 122,5 thousand people, Shilki around 700 people (with its 16- 17-thousandth population in the period under review).

If you pay attention to other cities of the RSFSR, then in the overwhelming majority of cases it is precisely population growth that can be stated, especially if the city is a regional center.

The situation with the villages belonging to the Russian Federation (RSFSR) looks quite different. For example: Mazurka village (Voronezh region) - a decrease in the number of inhabitants by more than 1,2 thousands of people (with a population of 1959 in the year at the level of 2,6 thousands of people), Amelin hamlet (Kursk region) - a two-fold decrease in the number of inhabitants in a specified period Varin (Bryansk region) - a decrease in the number of inhabitants for the specified period by almost a third. Other examples show the same tendency towards a decrease in the number of the rural population, which began to manifest itself from the middle of the last century.
This trend with even more frightening numbers continues to manifest itself in relation to the rural hinterland of Russia today.
According to the latest data, in the Kursk region alone, since the collapse of the Soviet Union, more than a hundred and fifty villages and farms have become ghost towns. Most of them are no longer found on modern maps, and in reality they are looking at us with gaping eye sockets of broken windows, leaky roofs of dilapidated houses. The last old men, who remained here even after the public transport communication was stopped with the majority of the dying villages and farms, after all retail outlets were closed, and the medical attendants' offices were relocated at best to other settlements a couple of tens of kilometers from them, lived your age. Over three thousand villages of the Russian Chernozem region today are also ready to go into the category of ghosts for the simple reason that they live in (and this word is far from always appropriate, they rather survive) less than 10 people in each. Mostly deep old men.

Is there a future for the Russian village?


According to the testimony of local residents, the last youth left many villages of central Russia twenty years ago, and the old people were left alone with the conditions into which they were driven by fate.

A former resident of the Kursk region, now a resident of Moscow, Mikhail says:
He himself once came to Ryazanovo as a child. This is near Kursk. People enjoyed life. In the village there were many living creatures, equipment. Now is emptiness. Some old men. Scary to look at it. Without war everything is ruined.




The former villager of the Oryol region, now a resident of the city of Voronezh, Igor, tells:
Came from the village to enter the agricultural. Naturally, I thought, I will come back, I will work as an agronomist. But then everything began to turn: the army, met his future wife, and remained in the big city. Now in their small homeland only on short visits. The old people live, the farm is looted, in the whole village one attribute of civilization is a red payphone. Once, my old man told me: they tried to call an ambulance on him, so at that end, when they found out where they were calling, they just hung up the phone - they say, to go far. I scold myself, of course. But now is the time. What would I do there now? Work - no prospects, too.


A former villager of the Voronezh region, now a resident of the city of Volzhsky (Volgograd region), Alexey:

Stayed in Volzhsky after the “deadline” at the beginning of the 90's. Immediately got to the factory. My people wrote to me from the village in order to come back and did not think: everything is falling apart, young people are knocking down the shaft to a better life in the city. I obeyed. In 2011, my father came to bury. Winter frost. There are no roads. Buses do not go. From the station I went to UAZ - somehow agreed on thousands of 3. Expensive, but there was no other way out. To dig a grave, a brigade was waited on a tractor from a neighboring village. The coffin and cross, they also had to lead. Agreed - to dig in the morning. Waited, waited ... Call - no mobile communication. He began to punch the way to the cemetery. By five o'clock in the evening two men arrived. They said that the tractor had to be repaired in a field in the snow. Buried with the help of God. In the village now there are two old men left. Painfully…


Of course, it is possible to condemn these people, to declare that they, to a certain extent, contributed to the extinction of their villages, but ... What a sin to conceal - many villages obviously didn’t voluntarily turn into corners of utter idleness. In the presence of enormous wealth in the form of fertile land, these same lands often simply have nothing to cultivate. The equipment left over from Soviet times turned into piles of rusty scrap metal, most of which was taken by metal hunters. Not everyone has private farmsteads, because in order to maintain livestock, you must at least have contact with the veterinarian, the ability to drive for feed, building materials (to maintain the same sheds in a more or less acceptable condition). It is obvious that not every family in the village has such opportunities. There were even fewer such opportunities in 90, when the collapse of the USSR hit the Russian countryside in such a way that not all and not everywhere could recover from this blow.

Bank loans? State subsidies? These are all, of course, beautiful words ... And in order to understand how far they are from the reality existing in the village, it is enough to “stroll” through the domestic outback. Even if a rural laborer takes a loan to raise his private sector, how will he pay the bank? No - of course, there are those villagers who have such an opportunity. But their units. Most of them are people who do not even have the opportunity to sell their agricultural products. After all, to find markets, you need to go at least to the district center, and there one road will cost more than three to five sold cans of milk. The way out is to unite efforts. But this also requires additional guarantees from local authorities, which, frankly, are often themselves deprived of any guarantees. That is why the situation is used by dealers who buy the same milk at the symbolic price of 4-5 rubles per liter, and then dairy products appear in city stores, which costs 8-10, or even more, times more expensive. The main profit settles in the pockets of intermediaries who openly parasitize on the work of others.
Local government at this level is in a faint and dizzy state. Everything, basically, rests on funding from the region, from the region, but the region and the region are also not eager to openly support the outback, realizing that access to net profit in this case, if it does, will not happen tomorrow or even the day after tomorrow ...

Seek investment from private companies? Similarly, private companies for the most part do not intend to work with lone farmers. They need guarantees of large deliveries of products, but no one can give such guarantees in the countryside today.
Another problem that pulls into the category of the unsolvable is the banal lack of workers. Even if farms are born in the villages, their owners and organizers are faced with a lack of agricultural star professionals. Most young people had time to migrate to the city in search of a better life. If someone returns, in the absence of work he has time to grow to the bottle, and such an employee, of course, will not gain much and well. So the farmers themselves have to act as chairmen, combine operators, tractor drivers, accountants, milkers, and ancillary workers themselves. Again, not everywhere, there are model farms, but it hurts a little - within the limits of statistical error. Much more, to the great regret, of drunk and ravaged villages living and working only in bureaucratic reports.

So is there a future for the Russian village? Yes there is! But in order for at least some perspectives in this plan to become apparent, it is necessary to carry out truly titanic work at the legislative level. To switch from state support of the agricultural producer in words to state support in practice. At the same time, plans to open hundreds of thousands of new jobs may well be realized, because only one peasant farm can employ several dozen people. And how many such peasant farms with state support could be opened and developed in Russia! At the same time, the state itself can only benefit from the development of the village, because the village is not only the possibility of income from the sale of high-quality products, but also a kind of traditional foundation of the country, its foundation. And if you continue to look indifferently at how this foundation collapses, then it is naive to believe that the rest of the building will stand ...

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  1. aszzz888
    aszzz888 27 May 2013 07: 22
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    I myself live in a rural area and all the devastation, and an abundance of bullying, there are no other words, is happening right before the people living, or rather existing ones.
    No one needs them, people. The situation in the countryside, as they said in the Navy, is a struggle for vitality. And all these attempts by the state to turn towards the village do not work. As they turned their backs, they stand.
    And they work on earth, PEOPLE.
    1. SCS
      SCS 27 May 2013 09: 21
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      Quote: aszzz888
      And they work on earth, PEOPLE.

      Yes, PEOPLE work, try, take agricultural loans, but in fact fall into a debt hole ... because. if you take into account costs and profits (not counting your labor), you want to cry !!!
    2. Kolya
      Kolya 27 May 2013 09: 29
      11
      There is no need to maintain the village, you just need not to choke it! And then, during support, half of the money is paid by bureaucrats-distributors again.
      1. SCS
        SCS 27 May 2013 10: 35
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        Quote: Kohl
        There is no need to maintain the village, you just need not to choke it! And then, during support, half of the money is paid by bureaucrats-distributors again.

        You're right! fuel and lubricant prices would be reduced by 10 times for farmers, and the interest rate on loans by 2-3 times, then it would make sense to work on the ground! and then the price per liter of diz. fuel is 2-3 times higher than a liter of milk and 5-6 times higher than 1 kg of grain !!! in Altai, the price of 1 kg of cattle meat from the producer fell to 120 rubles, and in the fall it will be even lower!
        it’s cheaper to buy agricultural products from some Argentina! But how can Russian agricultural production compete with agricultural production from countries with a mild climate? the answer is no ... therefore, State policy should play a decisive role here !!!!!!!
        1. revnagan
          revnagan 27 May 2013 12: 09
          +8
          Quote: SCS
          You're right! fuel and lubricant prices would be reduced by 10 times for farmers, and the interest rate on loans by 2-3 times, then it would make sense to work on the ground!

          Then everyone without exception will "enroll" in the agrarian. With this state system, the village has no and will not have prospects. The article is right, the village can give a lot of jobs. But what will be the payment for this work? And what are the living conditions of workers, where to spend leisure time (if he will, of course), teach the children where to live in the end? In temporary huts, in barracks? People will go to the village and work hard, provided that living conditions are ... well, for example, like in Finland. e. plowed on the ground, came home, took a shower, ate lunch prepared on a gas stove, and sat down at a computer with an "Internet" connected to get an education. When this happens in our villages, then the people will be drawn there to work on the earth. And live on humanly.
          1. SCS
            SCS 27 May 2013 12: 34
            +9
            Quote: revnagan
            Then all the polls will "enroll" in the agrarians.

            I believe that this moment, if desired, is not difficult to control!
            Quote: revnagan
            And what are the living conditions for workers - where to spend leisure time (if there is any), teach children, where to live in the end? In temporary huts, in barracks? People will go to the village and work hard, provided that living conditions are ... well , for example, as in Finland. plowed on the ground, came home, took a shower, ate lunch prepared on a gas stove, and sat down at a computer with an "Internet" connected to get an education. When this happens in our villages, then the people will be drawn there to work on the earth. And live on humanly.

            Do you think that a villager is preparing to eat at the stake or something, washes in the river))? and the Internet is also for the most part, though wireless, but still !!! gas of course with cylinders))! so it’s all there, although instead of a shower and a bathhouse it’s good ...
            I don’t understand about leisure! what do you need? night club, tavern? yes, of course there are no theaters, but local amateur performances are present, the club is working, the gym is not bad, various mugs for children, kindergarten, school, there is a music school nearby, even there is a convenience store around the clock, and what kind of nature ........ ..... !!! but there are no jobs! More precisely, there are some, but with a salary of an average of 5 tr. !!!! Of course you can live, only your hands can reach the ground to feed your family ...
            although if with a head, then men have time everywhere! so it’s not a domestic matter! but if you lower the price of fuels and lubricants, then this will make it easier for every villager! To everyone .... because all the processes on the equipment are tied up !!!
            1. revnagan
              revnagan 27 May 2013 16: 23
              +4
              Quote: SCS
              I don’t understand about leisure! what do you need? night club, tavern? yes, of course there are no theaters, but local amateur performances are present, the club is working, the gym is not bad, various mugs for children, kindergarten, school, there is a music school nearby, even there is a convenience store around the clock, and what kind of nature ........ ..... !!! but there are no jobs! More precisely, there are some, but with a salary of an average of 5 tr. !!!! Of course you can live, only your hands can reach the ground to feed your family ...

              It’s good that this is all in your village. Probably, that's why there is still a village. But in villages where there are no obstetric and feldsher posts, a school, a club, and you can only get on the tank, extinction occurs (m-dya, here I turned it down.) In our villages too - there is infrastructure, there is life. But before that ... Your brick factory, a bakery, a fruit and vegetable factory, MTS, built urban houses, the villages were not bad roads, there was work and people’s perspective. If all this is returned, the village will rise. Only earlier it was a state concern (and it cost a lot of money, which, by the way, the collective farms worked out), and today, who will invest in rural dispensaries, kindergartens, clubs? The state doesn’t give a damn. Private? Yes, it’s more likely to stranglehold-capitalism! Huge profit, all at once at all costs — that’s his concern! Well, what are the prospects for the village?
            2. ia-ai00
              ia-ai00 27 May 2013 19: 16
              +5
              Enthusiast! Well done! But when Russian villages are shown on TV, honestly my heart shrinks from what I saw and I want to cry. In general, the villages of Russia are "in the enclosure", I would say "they are breathing in an incense," and many are no longer breathing. It seems to me that the most rational agriculture was under the USSR. In truth, there was a collective and people worked in a common boiler, and at general meetings they decided how much to allocate for wages, and what to do for the inhabitants of the collective farm, state farm, or village. And now they need to bow at the feet of the governor-thieves. then the master, who fraudulently bought them with giblets. And sir, for the work that will unfasten "from the master's shoulder", and rejoice at that. Yes, and the vastness of the Motherland, these bars seized their hands: do not go to the rivers, lakes, do not go into the forest, or pay bribes - EVERYTHING AROUND HIM !, and before - it was PEOPLE! And if somewhere else there are prosperous villages or villages, then thank God ...
              1. EwgenyZ
                EwgenyZ 30 May 2013 15: 39
                +1
                Quote: ia-ai00
                It seems to me that the most rational farming was under the USSR.

                Well, yes, under the USSR. And even under the USSR, "unpromising" villages appeared, which until 1917. were, for some reason, promising. belay
                1. ia-ai00
                  ia-ai00 30 May 2013 20: 42
                  +1
                  Under the USSR, a few were recognized as unpromising and people were relocated to other settlements at the expense of the state, and now, when you go by train in any direction - completely extinct VILLAGES and VILLAGES! And the people who left these villages and villages, having collected belongings, moved in the full sense of "wherever they look," without "severance pay", or the youth left, and the old people died down ...
                  1. ia-ai00
                    ia-ai00 30 May 2013 21: 08
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                    "minus" apparently "the servant of the people", who at close range does not see how the villages and villages SURVIVE and DIE under the demokrats.
                2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 30 May 2013 22: 41
                  -1
                  Can you give a link to specific villages?
              2. Revolver
                Revolver 31 May 2013 22: 41
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                Quote: ia-ai00
                It seems to me that the most rational farming was under the USSR.

                Well let's see.
                Food surplus - okay, civil war, the time was cool, and the measures were cool too.
                Collectivization - you cannot industrialize a country on bare enthusiasm, you need funds, and there’s no one to take, except from the peasantry. They drove them into collective farms, robbed them, sold grain for bucks, bought machines. And if not, then there would be nothing for the T-34, the Yaks and Lavochkins to do, they would meet the Germans with one three-ruler for three and with a commissar Nagan.
                War - mostly called out from the village. From the cities, too, they took, but with analysis, and more and more to tankers, artillery, aviation. One of my grandfathers was an old stock (there is a photo of him from the training camp with three cuban cubs in his buttonhole), he joined the militia, but he was told at the military commissariat so that he didn’t think there were a shortage of engineers, and they sent thirty-four to rivet from Leningrad to the Urals. And the village was raked under the comb, and more and more into the infantry.
                Khrushch - well, here in one phrase: "Launched the satellite and agriculture."
                Brezhnev is a continuation of Khrushchev's experiments on the village. Under him, the term "unpromising" was invented, with all that it implies.
                Mishanya Mechnyi - I don’t remember that he did something specifically bad for the village, but nothing good either.
                And then the Soviet power ended.
          2. Joker
            Joker 27 May 2013 15: 53
            +3
            .Those. plowed on the ground, came home, took a shower, ate lunch cooked on a gas stove, and sat down at a computer with an Internet connection to get an education.

            Well, here you are exaggerating, this is not all right in absolutely deaf villages, there are both schools and showers and the Internet is not a problem to connect, the main thing is work, so you need at least 15 000 p. and it was higher, in the village, people in the garden feed, there is no spending on potatoes, tomatoes, and the pig can be raised, or in extreme cases, broilers should be raised, so there will be meat. and about leisure, yes, there used to be houses of culture in the villages, there was a cinema and a club and concerts, but now it all collapsed already, I was in no matter how many villages, everywhere they no longer function as they used to, and I remember myself On 3d the film went)))
            1. evfrat
              evfrat 29 May 2013 13: 50
              +3
              I add that both the Internet and free electricity can be obtained if desired. I myself build wind generators for houses and small farms. Internet gives a plate. Shower and toilet in my house, as in the city. There is gas, the bathhouse is Russian. Its products, orchard. The child is growing outdoors.
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 29 May 2013 15: 03
                +1
                how much is a 20 kilo wind generator?
              2. Egen
                Egen 29 May 2013 15: 13
                +4
                Quote: evfrat
                I build wind turbines myself

                Duc! Dear, yes, everything is clear, but so the poll comes down to money :) I still built a toilet with a sewer, brought water into the house from the well, an electric tank, a shower. While there are still hands :) But money for materials flew out! If it weren’t a pity for the house, and where the children could rest, it would be much more efficient to spit and transport it to the city!
                And heating is a stove, because there are no craps around our region, the electric boiler only pulls 2,5 kW - the kettle in general :) And who knows - how to heat it in -53 every 2 hours? Gas is great for you, but in our region gasification of the population is less than 1%, compared to up to 40% in the regions of the European part :( Well, wind generators and autonomous gas supply first of all require huge costs for the villagers, and in the 2 payback period goes far beyond the life of the remaining pensioners :( So not everything is as optimistic as it seems in youth ...
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 29 May 2013 15: 42
                  +1
                  fight against it, we have the same garbage, wrote (up to the receiving GDP), cursed, it seems like they started to put a new PT, so that you have to curse too, there are consumption norms and norms for the quality of electricity
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        3. Papakiko
          Papakiko 27 May 2013 17: 06
          +3
          Quote: SCS
          how Russian agricultural production can compete with agricultural production from countries with a mild climate?

          In each region there is a ministry of agriculture and there are subsidized support programs for HUNDREDS of million rubles (at 4% for 3-5 years). Just like in housing and communal services everything is "n3 \ 14". build houses, etc., generally not for their intended purpose.
          For example, in Tatarstan, because of the dry summer, 5000 rubles were allocated for each large-horned animal to purchase feed.
          I saw in the Perm Territory Tatar villages standing next to the Russian and the difference "as from the forest to the steppe." Renovated school, d \ garden, mosque (and where without them now) d \ culture. In general, COMMUNISM in the Tatar village came and from the Russian one was lost without reaching ...
          Not invisible, not fashionable, not respectably, it began to be Russian or Russian speaking. And about the villages there are absolutely no words ....... alone .....
          About imported vegetables and meat.
          On carrots, potatoes, cabbage, beets, you can earn cultivation, normal money. For 3-5 years, all projects pay off, bringing more than worthy income to business entities. The main problem is storage and poor sales. In autumn, potatoes and carrots are imported into Kemerovo and not from Israel to the Black Earth region and central Russia.
          A huge problem and trouble is general alcoholism.
          Therefore, most work with seasonal teams from the Uzbeks, Chinese, North Koreans, Tajiks. (there are a couple of advanced convicts who use free settlers) Almost like in the USA.
          There are industrial and financial groups that are willing to invest Many hundreds of millions of rubles, but there is no integrity in their ranks and, accordingly, in circulation in the ranks of those who know and love the land experts.
          The situation is similar with Msiao, although productivity is growing from year to year, new fattening plants are being built. Projects "Uralsky Broiler", SC "Uralsky", etc. Look at the resource:Made by us
          Such is he bread s / s. hi
      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2013 10: 40
        +3
        There is no need to maintain the village, you just need not to choke it!

        sorry but this is stupid
      3. Suhov
        Suhov 27 May 2013 13: 49
        +4
        Quote: Kohl
        There is no need to maintain the village, you just need not to choke it! And then, during support, half of the money is paid by bureaucrats-distributors again.

        You must be able to protect your interests:
        In a kulak economy, for example, and the machine gun is not a hindrance!
      4. cumastra1
        cumastra1 27 May 2013 19: 22
        +3
        long live the olympiads, summits and football championships, all the money that farmers, young families, and others have not waited for there is tucked in there. Yes, I almost forgot, let's write off all the debts to everyone, but somehow it’s not humanly. Cuba - forgiven, Kyrgyzstan, too, and others what, worse or what? And China is talking from Tajikistan for debts grabbed a piece of territory - like this!
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2013 20: 41
          -2
          Quote: cumastra1

          cumastra1
          Today, 19: 22

          long live the olympiads, summits and football championships, all the money that the farmers didn’t wait for

          do not confuse the righteous with the sinful
          so you can agree to the fact that nothing is needed
          1. cumastra1
            cumastra1 20 June 2013 19: 14
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            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            do not confuse the righteous with the sinner, so you can agree to the point that nothing is needed


            Feast in Time of Plague:
            Священник

            Godless feast, godless madmen!
            You feast and songs of debauchery
            Swearing over the gloomy silence
            Everywhere death is widespread!
            Amid the horror of a deplorable funeral
            Among the pale faces I pray in the cemetery
            And your hateful delights
            Confused by the silence of the coffins - and the earth
            Shock over dead bodies!
            When would old men and women pray
            Not consecrated a common, mortal pit, -
            I could think that now demons
            The lost spirit of the atheist is tormented
            And dragged into pitch darkness with a laugh
    3. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2013 10: 39
      +7
      Well, probably not quite like that.
      those who want to work, those who do not seek excuses
      one thing is clear there is no distinct state policy in the field of the village.
      with our squares in FIG, megacities of 10-16 million are not needed
      it’s just that at one time the communists, having broken the old formation, created a new collective farm structure which for their standing was a normal replacement of previous forms of relations on the earth, the liberals, in turn, did not create a replacement for collective farms, they simply declared the self-regulation of the market as always, the result is immediately visible, those who were able to work independently work.
      without state regulation, unfortunately, nothing can be changed, no matter how liberals oppose this, regulation in pricing policy is necessary, now another reverse resettlement is needed.

      ps and photographs can lead to devastation and vice versa
      1. afire
        afire 27 May 2013 14: 44
        +3
        Maybe my thought will seem crazy, but there is a way out. Unfortunately without a state.
        Recall the chronicle. How was the construction carried out in the post-war period? of course there were prisoners, but nevertheless they built themselves and built - for FREE, for nothing! They built a crowd of people for themselves! The materials of course were free, but I do not think that this could stop the desire. In the end, they gathered the remaining men in the village (village), instead of drinking, they would take a plot and saw the forest for construction, a farm (albeit small), an extension, hay, affairs in bulk, because they live (exist) as now, at least they’d do business instead of sitting out and mourning. Well, why no one can push themselves? Yes - a feat, damn what should I do ?? !! and then damn a lot of agronomists and foresters and everyone whines, well, guys - well, nobody will help us Christmas trees!
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2013 14: 51
          +2
          Have you been in a village for a long time?
        2. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2013 14: 51
          0
          Have you been in a village for a long time?
        3. Mhpv
          Mhpv 27 May 2013 15: 26
          +5
          But now such construction will cost you at least illegal seizure of land, illegal construction, felling of trees, etc. and that article and term, or if you complete everything and buy, then bankruptcy is ensured.
          As there, a young writer spoke at Zadorny:
          "Night, lantern, drugstore - fuck, I took a mortgage!"
          1. afire
            afire 29 May 2013 14: 49
            0
            Well, if you like to whine, be afraid of mortgages and what they can put, then continue to complain to yourself ...
        4. Joker
          Joker 27 May 2013 15: 56
          +2
          Maybe my thought will seem crazy, but there is a way out. Unfortunately without a state.

          For this you need to do one thing, unite, but our people do not want something, it used to be in the village all were brothers and sisters in the d knee and helped each other, and now these chains are broken.
    4. Joker
      Joker 27 May 2013 15: 48
      +5
      He himself was born and grew up in the village, precisely because of the problems voiced in the article and had to leave, the collective farm collapsed, there was no work at all, at first someone bought the collective farm from Moscow, but it seemed that it did not work and everything was abandoned, then the people buy steel. There is no work at all, there are a couple of shops, but what's the use of them? Young people either leave or drink too much, trouble in general sad Now new houses are being built there, but city residents are building retired people who are already sick of the city. We need serious investments in the villages, otherwise there will be nothing left of them soon, all the same, the Russian is a countryman rather than a city man, so the villages are our roots, we all came out of the villages, I myself began to slowly build a house in the village, I don’t like it I have a city bustle, but the trouble is that for many products and for things you will still have to wander to the city, it’s good who has the car and who hasn’t?
    5. Axel
      Axel 27 May 2013 16: 41
      +4
      Quote: aszzz888
      I myself live in a rural area and all the devastation, and an abundance of bullying, there are no other words, is happening right before the people living, or rather existing ones.

      We have never been human beings to rulers; for them we are a population and regard us as cattle over their heads. Just don’t bother people from working on their land and the village itself doesn’t push up with loans and taxes.
      1. Papakiko
        Papakiko 27 May 2013 17: 49
        +2
        Quote: Axel
        Just don’t bother people from working on their land and the village itself doesn’t push up with loans and taxes.

        Moscow will still come up with subsidies to agricultural importers.
        Quote: Axel
        do not crush loans and taxes

        So there is no one to crush and lend, as soon as the bond was frozen like monks.
    6. FC SKIF
      FC SKIF 27 May 2013 21: 05
      +5
      Remember the legs of the bush. They initially came with very low prices and bankrupted our entire poultry industry. But then they lifted prices back and recaptured all costs. I think now they are damping agricultural products deliberately, removing future competitors in the bud. And then how will they give the simultaneous 1000% increase in the price of food and that’s all.
      1. Denis
        Denis 28 May 2013 01: 04
        +3
        Quote: FC Skif
        Remember the legs of the bush.
        Although I didn’t eat this muck, I remember it as a monument of unreasonableness. People don’t want to hear that this is an offal, so that they feed the boar-EBN to hell in hell. There, white meat is in use, i.e. chest and part of the wing. And buy the rest, do not throw away
        It’s shit like with trophy dresses that turned out to be nighties or cardboard funeral shoes that they tried to wear
        1. Egen
          Egen 28 May 2013 07: 46
          +2
          Quote: FC Skif
          Remember the Bush Feet

          Quote: Denis
          Although I didn’t eat this muck, I remember

          And I ate, and in America, let's share :)
          It was in 90, I don’t know how it is now, but then in America really chicken legs were popular. They were sold in sealed packaging according to 2 or 4, we put them on a frying pan, butter - and we are full and satisfied. The whole leg is 2 bones (why didn’t 2 understand, in ours it’s like 3), clean meat and a little skin that when baked yum-yum :) Tell me, is there one chemistry or some other nasty things? Nothing of the kind, on almost the entire 1 side of the package there is a small font written on a tablet, which is not there: neither such forbidden filth. State authorities are watching this very carefully, God forbid what kind of test they fail, competitors will immediately inflate so quickly that they will fly out of the market. Therefore, there are no fools to save on quality. In general, I liked the legs.
          I’m coming home, I’m looking - they are selling here, I think, yeah, something familiar, let's try it now! :) - in general, there is no comparison, like ... 1 and 2 :) :( It seems that they are being replaced somewhere on the border or even grown in another country. Moreover, not to say that they deliver some kind of substandard "No, these are just completely different products! Well, the only thing in common is chicken at the core. I don’t know how."
          Moreover, in America these legs are much cheaper than ours. And it’s much cheaper if you add shipping to their _ retail_ price, customs - they are cheaper anyway. How so? The only conclusion is that suppliers profit ...
          This is an example of what: 1) can still produce cheap and high-quality products abroad, why not ours? 2) we still on the intermediate path from the producer to the consumer are twisted, steal, and it will turn out expensive nonsense :(
          Threat by the way so without exception with all the products that I have ever tried - the same brands here and there like heaven and earth. The exception is only all sorts of muesli balls - more or less, and Heinz ketchup. The most annoying thing is beer, imported beer doesn’t stand near us at all there :( Miller also reminds himself :( And I don’t understand why: it’s okay to bring junk from China to us, while in China there are a lot of quality things ; but these are _other_ things, and these are one and the same!
    7. starshina78
      starshina78 27 May 2013 21: 09
      +7
      I am a purely urban resident. I went to the village only to relax, after getting married, help my mother-in-law. what happened and happens with the village everything happened before my eyes. As a kid, I went to a village near Mur and near Moscow (Chekhov district), it seemed to me that living in a village was lovely, did not think about the village, about its problems, etc. . When I got married and began to go to my mother-in-law in the Penza region, then this realization of trouble came along with about five villages from the Penza region map disappearing over the thirty-five year period from the moment of my first visit to the last one. Why? , Yes, because - the village is left to its own devices. In Soviet times, when there were collective and state farms, young people, not all, but remained in the village. There was money (sometimes my shuryaks, who worked as tractor drivers, got it so that we could only dream of it), there was support for collective farms for young families (money for building houses and housekeeping), they built houses for specialists, schools and hospitals worked in the villages (or paramedic points), shops worked (with a unique assortment: bread, vodka on one side, tarpaulin boots and washing powders, nails and roofing felt on the other side), surplus agricultural products (potatoes, onions, beets, carrots, milk, eggs, etc.) and paid good money. I asked the shuryaks, why shouldn't they go to the city, they answered: “Why? There is a TV, we’ll buy a car ahead than you (as it was), it’s good here! "Then it was like that! And now ? They live in subsistence farming (who remembers what it is from a school history course). What they grew up, sold, if possible: if the weather is nice, the bug will not gobble up, you will dry it properly, so that it looks like it has grown up and put it in bags, went to the track, caught a car, loaded it on it, arrived suppose in Moscow to the market, and then bam! The market is under the North Caucasian friends! They have to pay, and if not, then get out of here or give in for three pennies! The driver yells, "Unload!" , these shout: "Get out of here! “What remains to be done is to rent, get a penny, and live on them all year, while you have to eat on them, buy new clothes instead of rubbed to holes, buy firewood, etc. .Good if you manage to sell it yourself, then life is good! This life leads to people looking like old people (with an average beef we are one-year-olds, 58 years old, but I look like a cucumber, and it’s like a wreck) (hemorrhoids, sciatica, heart, etc.). You will not get a loan, there is no security, and there is nothing to give back. Hospitals closed even in the area closest to 40 km, there were two schools left for the entire area! In short, life failed! The village is empty before our eyes. Fields are overgrown. Statistics speak for themselves. 14 to 1. So many died, and so many were born in the area. Data from official sources, printed in the local newspaper. What they say about power does not allow the framework of the site, they will immediately attract extremism. The future of the village is bleak unless an urgent support and attraction program for people to move from town to village is adopted.
    8. Siberian German
      Siberian German 29 May 2013 13: 23
      +4
      just as I live in the village, the agronomist himself - and now patriots scold me I will chuckle medveputes - in 2003, a ton of solariums cost a wholesale price for an agrarian about 9000 rubles - but now you yourself know why small Pokemon when they say about helping the village and when they start talking about it, we immediately run to pack at the old price to everyone
      1. evfrat
        evfrat 29 May 2013 13: 52
        +3
        35 r / liter solarium native. helped so helped, you will say nothing. Well, at least the electricity tariff is still ridiculous.
    9. evfrat
      evfrat 29 May 2013 13: 46
      +5
      I myself know firsthand the situation in the Pskov region. After 10 years there will not be many villages left. Youth seeks to the cities: Pskov and St. Petersburg. And mainly summer residents, who are alien to the desire to revive agriculture and rural life, come from cities. They are consumer-friendly to that region, even garbage from their plots is thrown right at the side of the road. This is the mentality of a city dweller. And from the local population there were only old people who did not live long, because No medicine, no social support either. On a collective farm, miraculously preserved in a state of semi-bankruptcy, salaries of up to 3 thousand r / month. So I urge everyone who still has strength and the main desire to save their country: Save the village, leave for the earth! Believe me, he himself lived in the city of 15 for years, not comparing the beauty of nature and the attractiveness of private home ownership with any benefits of the urban structure.

      And then some write here: "Russia got up from its knees" ... it's a shame.
  2. Ragnarek
    Ragnarek 27 May 2013 07: 23
    17
    Well, in general, in all countries of the world, people from villages went to the city, so this process is not unique to Russia. If we develop programs for the resettlement of compatriots and farming, then it is quite possible to return the people to the land. It would be nice to programs for the granting of land to military pensioners and large families (the latter is already being implemented)
    1. Kolya
      Kolya 27 May 2013 09: 21
      20
      If the urban and rural residents pay taxes to the budget equally. At the same time, the city dweller receives more from the budget in the form of infrastructure (schools, hospitals, roads, metro, etc., and all with higher quality, compare the rural and urban roads for example). Also, the city dweller himself decides where to allocate money from the budget, and it is clear where he allocates! So there are no fools - that’s why they are fleeing from the village, because they are taking income and in return they aren’t giving anything. SOLVING THE PROBLEM: FULLY RELEASE THE RURAL RESIDENTS FROM THE PAYMENT OF THE INCOME TAX. And fill in the missing amount in the budget with income from real estate tax accrued depending on the value of real estate. Let Moscow pay for its infrastructure and not the village of Mazurka. And there will be less bureaucrats.
      1. cdrt
        cdrt 27 May 2013 09: 58
        +9
        They pay the same to the budget. Are you talking about the same percentage of personal income tax?
        So the amount of income in the village is much less than in the city.
        So I think the amounts of budget revenues from the village and the city are incomparable.
        Productivity in cities is also higher than in rural areas.

        Although ... about personal income tax / non-profit tax for agriculture. manufacturers - probably this is a worthwhile measure.
        Legislative measures are also needed to reduce the number of links in the agricultural producer-supermarket chain to 1-2, to combat buyer monopolism in the grocery purchase market.
        Probably we need subsidies (similar to those received by peasants in the EU and the USA) for traditional agricultural products. production, but subject to exceeding certain quotas, i.e. encourage only those who are more efficient than neighbors.
        It seems necessary to sponsor interest on the state account for loans for seeds, fuel, spare parts, and agricultural. equipment + state guarantees for the presence of agricultural. land and equipment.
        Well, and what the Americans did in 195X - ROADS, ROADS, ROADS + communication.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2013 11: 10
          +7
          Quote: cdrt
          Legislative measures are also needed to reduce the number of links in the agricultural producer-supermarket chain to 1-2, to combat buyer monopolism in the grocery purchase market.

          you need to enter the price plug for the purchase of agricultural products and the maximum possible premium on the purchase price, the extra links themselves will fall off
        2. Ivan.
          Ivan. 27 May 2013 11: 16
          +4
          Quote: cdrt
          Legislative measures are also needed to reduce the number of links in the agricultural producer-supermarket chain to 1-2, to combat buyer monopolism in the grocery purchase market.

          More precisely, the return of the state to this niche.
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2013 14: 30
            +3
            under the Union there was a consumer cooperator who procured from the peasants wool, hides, berries, mushrooms, etc. now all of this remains in the countryside, a lot of things are generally emitted, for that reason we import bananas and kiwi
        3. brelok
          brelok 28 May 2013 06: 09
          +2
          Quote: cdrt
          Productivity in cities is also higher than in rural areas.

          I wonder about the performance of what? All that you can’t take Chinese! What is interesting to produce in the city? Do not scold the guy ....
    2. sir.jonn
      sir.jonn 27 May 2013 10: 48
      10
      Quote: Ragnarek
      Well, in general, in all countries of the world, people from villages went to the city, so this process is not unique to Russia. If we develop programs for the resettlement of compatriots and farming, then it is quite possible to return the people to the land. It would be nice to programs for the granting of land to military pensioners and large families (the latter is already being implemented)

      In the USSR, the main cause of migration from the countryside was a small variety of employment, but the number of jobs more than provided zero unemployment.
      Employment in rural areas in the agrarian sector was predominant due to the many collective farms, and it was in them that increased migration of the population was observed.
      In the leshozes, in the 70s-80s, mass industrialization took place, which led to a sharp increase in the population and the level of improvement of nearby villages. Often, leshozes coexisted with collective farms, which paved the way for the emergence of entities with full livelihoods in both social and cultural-educational spheres. Such villages, thanks to the large population and clever policies of the then leadership, became the basis for unique industries, which attracted narrow specialists from the cities.
      In the 90s, the usual ways of marketing products that provided cash revenues to local budgets disappeared, as a result: the ruin and disappearance of thousands of villages and villages, the impoverishment of the population in the survivors, the massive outflow of the population due to the impossibility of existence.
      PS. Raising farms only, unfortunately, will not lead to an increase in the well-being of villages, it is necessary to restore the entire complex as a whole, which unfortunately cannot be pulled by the hands of the population.
    3. DeerIvanovich
      DeerIvanovich 27 May 2013 13: 40
      +3
      communal management is the most optimal management structure on earth, especially Russian.
      The mass outflow of people from rural areas can be divided into two main stages: 1) perestroika - then many young people left under the influence of destructive moral values ​​of the city, the second - when collective farms and state farms fell apart and there was nowhere to work.
      at other times, they left only because of overcrowding: they built less new housing than they were born, and the economy needed workers at non-agricultural enterprises.

      if there was work, many would remain, only those who really do not want to work would leave, I also write down office workers as drones — their benefits are zero.

      village - demographic forge, city - demographic genocide ...

      As for farming, this is complete crap ... until market mechanisms are sharpened for our peasant, and not as now for foreign corporations!

      Well, trading networks do not trade, and ordinary shops use our products, with rare exceptions.
      1. sir.jonn
        sir.jonn 27 May 2013 20: 02
        +2
        Quote: DeerIvanovich
        Well, trading networks do not trade, and ordinary shops with our products, with rare exceptions.

        As regards the rural producer, there are absolutely no exceptions; I have never seen retailers, even regional ones, on the shelves of any Zamukhlyuyevka products. The rules and modern norms allow us to supply exclusively saturated products with emulsifiers, preservatives and nitrates to retail chains that can withstand the difficult conditions of counter storage.
  3. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 27 May 2013 07: 26
    10
    We love to talk about the development of the Far East, the Kuril Islands, the Far North, but it is worth driving 150 kilometers away from Moscow and you find yourself in places where you still have to work and work. What village development? There are no roads, there are no schools, ambulatories were closed in the light of optimization, work in the countryside can always be found, but besides the ancient clubs (at best), there are no other entertainments.
    1. donchepano
      donchepano 27 May 2013 07: 52
      12
      Quote: Vladimirets
      it is worth driving 150 kilometers from Moscow ... What is the development of the village? There are no roads, no schools,

      The Russian village was "safely" destroyed.
      These are the consequences of the period of perestroika restructuring and the actions of the Yeltsin government.
      Do the current ones want to restore the village?
      1. atalef
        atalef 27 May 2013 08: 13
        13 th
        Quote: donchepano
        The Russian village was "safely" destroyed.
        These are the consequences of the period of perestroika restructuring and the actions of the Yeltsin government.

        Well, Stalin began to destroy the village, Khrushchov continued, Brezhnev somehow tried to revive the land reclamation, but the 90s completed the inevitable process.
        They have long forgotten in the village. what is work (I know what I'm talking about, there was a 5-year period of life) I do not take into account the representative collective farms and state farms of millionaires. Where they drove on excursions, the chairman was a hero of social labor and subsidies without an account (as well as the opportunity to buy new equipment and Western technologies). The ordinary village primarily took care of its personal farmsteads and the equipment in the yards was enough for an average MTS. It was in stagnation . Well, when the hard years came, the people just dumped. In the regional cities there was nothing to do (where they mostly left the village in the 80s), and you say the village. it is impossible to make a decent life in the village without basic infrastructure - the Internet, water supply, roads. public transport, the possibility of a quick arrival at the hospital. People are not stupid. Why strain on a personal site, keep cattle, and finally see how summer residents from the city come (parasites and belorussians in the understanding of the village) and fanning up half of the general storehouse by wrapping their fingers.
        The processes are much more complex and irrevocable and they began long before Yeltsin and Gorbachov.
        1. Ivan Pavlov
          Ivan Pavlov 27 May 2013 08: 30
          +8
          and how did Stalin destroy the village? when almost all of the state’s profit was from the sale of agricultural products.
          1. maksuta
            maksuta 27 May 2013 08: 46
            +9
            everything is simple. Because of the creation of collective farms, the peasants were weaned from independence, and when the collective farms collapsed, it turned out that no one wanted to work on earth. That's all.
            1. Egoza
              Egoza 27 May 2013 09: 08
              18
              Quote: maksuta
              nobody wants to work on earth

              So is it collective farms to blame? People just felt that working TOGETHER is much more convenient and easier. Yes, and the technique can be used calmly. You won’t work much with choppers and shovels. So maybe it was necessary to keep the collective farms? (We in the village are very sorry that the collective farm millionaire was destroyed).
              But Lukashenko copes with this task. And all that was needed was to really take care of good houses for youth, which are prepared in advance at the expense of the state. A large courtyard is being built, installments - 30 years, children are born - for each child the debt on payment is reduced. Farmers receive soft loans for development - at 3% per annum. Interest-free loans are given for the purchase of mineral fertilizers and fuel. And even if there are weak collective farms and state farms, they will not be bankrupt, but combined with the stronger ones in agricultural holdings.
              Make such a program in Russia and the village is filled with people who want to live and work.
              1. maksuta
                maksuta 27 May 2013 09: 16
                +7
                I am not opposed if they begin in droves to restore collective farms, only for !!! I am about the result of collectivization. My great-great-grandfather himself loaded his entire farm into carts and with this entered the collective farm. I would have done the same. I'm already tired of driving to the city to earn money.
                1. fero
                  fero 27 May 2013 19: 39
                  -2
                  Pip on your tongue! ... to restore collective farms is the last thing. Ali have forgotten the logic of collective farmers "common means nobody"? ... Yes, in collective farms all equipment was simply rotting, no one looked after it or served it, no one needs it because of the collective farmers. The last example from a collective farm in my village - they bought a new harvester on lease, "shocked" for two of the year. Since no one did it. They never paid ... the collective farm went bankrupt.
                  In the USSR, collective farmers are real slaves, they didn’t even have passports so that they would not run into the city. My grandfathers received passports only in the 62m and 64th year !!!
                  By the way, they lived in state farms much better, because the order was better and the help from the state was much greater.
                  1. stranik72
                    stranik72 27 May 2013 20: 09
                    +3
                    In the USSR, collective farmers are real slaves, they didn’t even have passports so that they would not run into the city.
                    You goofy uncle, who wanted to leave that went to the village council received a certificate with the press and forward to the construction of communism or to study. Who do you think built Magnitogorsk or Dneproges, and who studied at labor schools and military schools, more than 70% of the population in the country were villagers. As for the slave, now go to the village and see how and who works for the farmer from the Caucasus.
                    1. fero
                      fero 27 May 2013 20: 19
                      0
                      You are no one to me. But grandfathers were authorities, I believed them and believe more than a network anonymous person, and the fact that they told me about their difficult life is enough for my children and grandchildren to tell.
                      It was so easy to give everyone a certificate for the next "mega-construction", and an elementary document giving the right to choose a place of residence - figurines ... Are they prisoners so that they can travel around the country with a certificate? ... And after that, not slaves ... weave beautifully.
                      1. stranik72
                        stranik72 28 May 2013 06: 07
                        0
                        Yes, certainly a slave is one who has not learned the elementary, at least 2 + 2 to compose. In your opinion, slaves have built the economy in the country for 20 years, created industry, won the war and flew into space, then you will learn to think and you will be in authority.
                      2. fero
                        fero 28 May 2013 18: 18
                        +1
                        To my mind collective farmers were in the position of slaves. Can't read that? The collective farmers created industry only indirectly, since they had nothing else to do. Still, after all, my grandfathers have been on logging since the age of 14 (I know what sounds like nonsense for the "faithful" Stalinists), but this is so. Valamaz village, Krasnogorsk region, Udmurt republic. Don't you want to go felling the forest? ... then you will die of hunger, because the only horse was taken to the collective farm like a malicious kulak, grain and turnip stocks were raked out long ago and there is simply nothing to eat. A grandmother from 12 years old in the field on a par with adults, one more was responsible for two younger sisters. The rest of my grandmother's family (father, mother, two brothers, sister) starved to death! .. it seemed from what all of a sudden? .. and also "kulaks" noble - they took everything So either to the collective farm in the fields, or die of hunger. Thanks to Comrade Stalin for a happy childhood.
                        If relatives from the community did not shelter orphans, everyone would die.
                      3. Setrac
                        Setrac 1 June 2013 05: 25
                        0
                        Quote: fero
                        The collective farmers only indirectly created industry, because they had nothing else to do.

                        Materiel, materiel and again materiel.
                        Do you think industrialization is factories, NO, industrialization is people, workers, who had to be taken somewhere, and there was nowhere to take them from outside the village. To do this, collective farms and mechanization on collective farms were needed, in order to free people for industry by increasing labor productivity. So the collective farmers created the industry. Well, farming - a step back - let's go back to the land, we will cultivate the land with a plow and a hoe, tractor top.
              2. sir.jonn
                sir.jonn 27 May 2013 20: 22
                0
                Quote: fero
                Pip on your tongue! ... to restore collective farms is the last thing. Ali have forgotten the logic of collective farmers "common means nobody"? ... Yes, in collective farms all equipment was simply rotting, no one looked after it or served it, no one needs it because of the collective farmers.

                On collective farms, for combines and other expensive and highly specialized equipment, there is no other alternative. After decommissioning, all equipment remains on the farm in the driver’s yard. This is true for an old but eternal MTZ-80, but who needs a hell harvester at home.
              3. Egen
                Egen 28 May 2013 08: 05
                -1
                Quote: fero
                even they didn’t have passports so that they wouldn’t run into the city. My grandfathers received passports only in 62m and 64m year !!!

                We only heard that it didn’t stop my parents from going quietly to study at a university for 4 thousand km ...
        2. olegff68
          olegff68 27 May 2013 10: 51
          -1
          Quote: maksuta
          everything is simple. Because of the creation of collective farms, the peasants were weaned from independence, and when the collective farms collapsed, it turned out that no one wanted to work on earth. That's all.

          Tambov region - everyone who is not lazy gathers in the half-abandoned villages: Asians, Caucasians and even the Dutch, often without outside support and start-up capital, begin to raise land and start strong farms (magic black earth), former collective farmers who are used to working under orders and from under the stick, indifferently look at it because of the rickety outskirts.
          There are also their own, dear, strong farmers, but for some reason they send their children to live in the city, buying housing, education and warm places - so they have no future.
          1. revnagan
            revnagan 27 May 2013 12: 23
            +8
            Quote: olegff68
            Asians, Caucasians and even the Dutch, often without outside support and start-up capital

            Asians Caucasians and Dutch without start-up capital, who managed to get to something already here, this is not at all the same as Russians without start-up capital. It's like in a joke:
            - Izya was born into a poor Jewish family, but managed to graduate from music school, and then went to the Vienna Conservatory.
            "How to Vienna? He was born into a poor family?"
            - I said: in a poor JEWISH family ...
            "Magic black soil" - is it like on the Field of Miracles near Buratino? We also have enough foreign misfortune, but I have never seen them work with hoes and shovels.
          2. baltika-18
            baltika-18 27 May 2013 12: 50
            +7
            Quote: olegff68
            Asians, Caucasians and even the Dutch, often without outside support and start-up capital, begin to raise land and establish strong farms

            Minus. It just seems to you. The whole system is working there.
        3. Suhov
          Suhov 27 May 2013 13: 21
          +1
          Quote: maksuta
          Due to the creation of collective farms, peasants weaned from independenceand when the collective farms collapsed, it turned out that no one wants to work on earth.

          Yes ... housework, Venus of Milos, as it was, did not ask ...
        4. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2013 14: 37
          +4
          it's hard to argue with this, but there is one "BUT"
          as always, this is discussed from the point of view of modern times and morality, the collective farm was sharpened for specific social relations and, in principle, coped with the task, destroying the Soviet system, it was necessary to CREATE (rather than let it drift) a structure corresponding to new social relations, this was not done, the result was we see today.
          we are safely rolling into food addiction
      2. vyatom
        vyatom 27 May 2013 12: 11
        +1
        Quote: Ivan Pavlov
        and how did Stalin destroy the village? when almost all of the state’s profit was from the sale of agricultural products


        Stalin destroyed the master on earth, which was the peasant. After all, the village during the NEP rose very strongly, there appeared strong business executives, who were later called fists and declared war on them.
        And on the collective farm, leveling was introduced, and even this moment was described at Sholokhov. Say you can work, you can not work - you will get the same anyway. The real owner was gone, the village was gone. And it’s very difficult for the state to help revival. Unless, if the former chairman, like Lukashenko, will stand at the head and support the village. And we have lawyers rule, therefore, we have what we have.
        1. stranik72
          stranik72 27 May 2013 20: 33
          0
          Here are just your own fantasies about NEP and Stalin "who destroyed the master on earth" for the truth should not be passed off. If you weren't so lazy from Klava, then you would have clarified that before the revolution in the Russian Empire, every 2-4 years there was a famine (then Nicholas II called it crop failure) there were times when hunger was in more than 2 provinces, while bread was sold abroad (the granary of Europe is her mother). By the way, under Stalin there were individual farms. So, for example, on the network, find such a document "Decree of the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR and the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks" On the mandatory supply of grain to the state by collective farms and sole farms "dated January 19, 1933. It is interesting that state supplies amounted to no more than 30% of the harvest.
      3. Setrac
        Setrac 1 June 2013 05: 16
        0
        Quote: Ivan Pavlov
        and how did Stalin destroy the village? when almost all of the state’s profit was from the sale of agricultural products.

        Village life is a way of life different from urban. Half subsistence farming with a high level of autonomy - and so this village has not existed for a long time. The modern peasant is the same worker as at the factory, he plowed a shift on a tractor, like a worker at the factory, and came home on the sofa, they try to minimize household plots. The level of mechanization and automation is no less than at the factory, and the requirements for education are also no lower. This city gopot will be sent to the infantry with a breast embrasure to cover, the machine operator will not be sent to knead the mud.
        So, it was collectivization and industrialization that did it with the village, not Putin and Medvedev.
  4. Kolya
    Kolya 27 May 2013 09: 57
    +7
    The bottom line is industrialization! To smelt ore, generate electricity, etc. labor resources are needed. If necessary, he is squeezed out of the village. Industrialization is taking place all over the world, so the whole world is similar in this. No country is capable of an industrial breakthrough if it does not have a strong village behind it. Conversely, China, being a rural country twenty years ago, is burning today. Nations that have depleted their villages are incorporating immigration. The West and Russia are pursuing an intensive immigration policy. That is why we cannot stop the flow of illegal immigrants to Russia, although in fact it is very simple to do this. So it is the big industry that is killing our village, and the "witch hunt" will not help in this case. The study of economic theory will help. Have you read it for a long time? Take it and read it now.
    1. Normal
      Normal 27 May 2013 15: 18
      +6
      Quote: Kohl
      So it’s the big industry that’s killing our village,

      Or rather; "began to kill" Now there is no big industrialization, there is a big urbanization.
      Quote: Kohl
      Nations that have exhausted their village include immigration. The West and Russia have an intensive immigration policy. That is why we cannot stop the flow of illegal immigrants to Russia, although in fact it is very simple to do so.
      Immigration is now needed not for industry, but for urban life support systems. Road construction, public works trade and service is not an industry and production.
      And the village is dying because it is not needed. No need for power - food is easier and more profitable to bring from abroad or to receive from large agricultural companies, which are essentially industrial enterprises for the production of agricultural products.
      Do not need a village and the majority of the population. Rural labor is heavy and not standardized. City life is easier and more fun.
      It is impossible to save the village under the current government and economy. Well, perhaps only as reserves of the traditional way of life and management. If desired, this could even be made economically advantageous (tourism, healthy, natural products, children's vacations in pure natural conditions, etc.), but we don’t have such a desire and will not appear soon. Is it only as a result of some large-scale cataclysm
  5. sir.jonn
    sir.jonn 27 May 2013 20: 42
    0
    Quote: donchepano
    The Russian village was "safely" destroyed.
    These are the consequences of the period of perestroika restructuring and the actions of the Yeltsin government.
    Do the current ones want to restore the village?

    The "current" ones do not have the slightest idea about the importance of the village for Russia, because this is too small a percentage, in the eyes of lawyers and the military, of the share of the last census. And at the expense of destruction, we are still holding on!
  • lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus 27 May 2013 07: 54
    +9
    Quote: Vladimirets
    , no schools, out-patient clinics closed in the light of optimization

    In our country, in the light of "optimization", most of the rural schools were closed. One fan of cool gadgets once saw in one overseas country that children were taken to schools on yellow buses and imposed this.
    1. leon-iv
      leon-iv 27 May 2013 12: 39
      -1
      . One lover of cool gadgets once saw in one overseas country that children were taken to schools on yellow buses and imposed this.

      But in equipping such rural integrated schools will be better than many urban schools.
      1. baltika-18
        baltika-18 27 May 2013 12: 52
        +3
        Quote: leon-iv
        But in equipping such rural integrated schools will be better than many urban schools.

        Like Ivanovsky, too, a fellow countryman. And it feels like we live in different areas.
        1. leon-iv
          leon-iv 27 May 2013 12: 57
          -1
          And it feels like we live in different areas.

          This is how to look at the world.
          But our Ivanteevka is still a hole.
          And about schools, I'm serious there, even though they steal money, he still buys a lot.
    2. Denis
      Denis 27 May 2013 13: 16
      +3
      Quote: lewerlin53rus
      saw in one overseas country that children were taken to schools on yellow buses
      Alas, another is seen
      Often I visit, there under the RONO window and you can see how the whole bus brings one train ... director or head teacher
      And the children will have to
  • DeerIvanovich
    DeerIvanovich 27 May 2013 13: 43
    +2
    there would be work, there would be everything else.
  • DEDUCHKA
    DEDUCHKA 27 May 2013 07: 28
    20
    This is a state problem - rural development. Look how villages are developing in Belarus, what kind of houses are being built there for visitors, hence the result - Muscovites are trying to buy everything Belarusian, high-quality. And we only hear from you - this year 42 billion has been allocated. rub. - only how they are spent, God alone knows. Again, the same scourge is corruption. Yes, and the current minister is far from agricultural, does not have a specialized education. But he only smiles at this criticism.
    1. Garrin
      Garrin 27 May 2013 13: 45
      +4
      Quote: DEDUCHKA
      This is a state problem - rural development. See how villages are developing in Belarus, what kind of houses are being built there for visitors

      Totally agree with you. This problem should be addressed at the state level. Moreover, here I would go further and combine it with the resettlement program of compatriots. First of all, to build or restore roads, to build housing at the same time, which is not so difficult and costly (after the 2010 fires, the burned villages were rebuilt again in 2-3 months), nearby to build factories for processing agricultural products, and not giants , but small workshops, of a modular type, but with modern technologies and equipment, etc. In short, all these issues are not so difficult to solve, you just need the desire and most importantly, to eliminate the corruption component.
    2. DeerIvanovich
      DeerIvanovich 27 May 2013 13: 48
      +1
      Quote: DEDUCHKA
      Yes, and the current minister is far from agricultural, has no specialized education

      as they said at the top, I don’t remember who: he was appointed for success in agriculture at his previous job in Chuvashia. here and see.
  • pinecone
    pinecone 27 May 2013 07: 37
    11
    Wrong formulation of the question. How can you talk about the "future" of the Russian village, when it has no present. There lived a village-lived and Russia. Now there is only a kind of administrative entity called the Russian Federation.
  • iulai
    iulai 27 May 2013 07: 44
    12
    It was in the village that there was and is the spiritual core of the people, there will be no villages, there will be no people, and the Russian-speaking population will remain.
    1. atalef
      atalef 27 May 2013 08: 16
      10 th
      Quote: iulai
      It was in the village that there was and is the spiritual core of the people, there will be no villages, there will be no people, and the Russian-speaking population will remain.

      The old cliché is now without a base. The village is now drinking hard and surviving with difficulty. If this is the core - then I'm sorry.
      Much has changed and it is impossible now to talk about some kind of group as a core. There are enough such rods in the city.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 27 May 2013 08: 20
        13
        The village is very different now. Some drink, others plow from dawn to dusk.
        1. Denis
          Denis 27 May 2013 09: 40
          +7
          Quote: Spade
          others plow from dawn to dusk
          The trouble is that often the smell of overbought cast-iron colors is handed over.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 27 May 2013 10: 36
            +3
            I agree. However, the percentage of hard workers in the countryside is ever higher. The people are getting out of the "blue pit" of the 90s. When village people were purposefully soldered in order to acquire land shares. Drinking alcohol was sold in "shinki" at a price cheaper than beer - he himself was a witness.
            1. Denis
              Denis 27 May 2013 10: 57
              +2
              And as an announcement
              Workers in animal husbandry. Accommodation (probably in one of the barn) is provided. The requirement is a minimum knowledge of the Russian language
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 27 May 2013 11: 42
                +3
                So these guys are much cheaper than our hard workers.
            2. DeerIvanovich
              DeerIvanovich 27 May 2013 13: 52
              +5
              Yes, and many were drunk, they worked all their lives as they taught them, but they did not teach life in the market for many, and could not adapt: ​​for many, it was a tragedy.
              and now many are trying to work ... but the fact that non-Russians self-populate themselves in empty houses is very scary ... at such a rate, the demographic forge of Russians will become the demographic forge for non-Russians, the overwhelming majority of them are Muslims.
      2. Fox
        Fox 27 May 2013 08: 30
        20
        Russia does not give peace to Israeli "friends"? and so, especially for the gifted. in the village (where I live), the guys do not smoke, everyone served and are preparing for the army. actively go in for sports. Alkans in the village (out of about 1200 people) -3 (!) things. so let your Jewish picture sit in your head. the village does not live in poverty, many new houses are being built. yes, and the most interesting thing: there are no p_idors, narcs and Jews.
        1. sergey32
          sergey32 27 May 2013 09: 30
          +1
          By the way, it is worth taking a closer look at the Israeli experience in agriculture. Before the formation of Israel, Jews practically did not engage in agriculture around the world, but now there is an advanced agricultural sector. It’s not a sin to learn, in relation to our conditions, of course.
          1. omsbon
            omsbon 27 May 2013 09: 48
            +7
            Quote: sergey32
            By the way, it is worth taking a closer look at the Israeli experience in agriculture.

            Do you confuse something, what is the Israeli experience? It is just the opposite, the experience was ours, the Jews realized our model of collective farm construction.
            Special thanks to fox for his optimistic comment, pleased!
            1. atalef
              atalef 28 May 2013 12: 53
              0
              Quote: omsbon
              Do you confuse something, what is the Israeli experience? It is just the opposite, the experience was ours, the Jews realized our model of collective farm construction.

              Strange, the model is one, but the result is different. It is like Bentley and Kalina. Both like a car tongue
          2. Setrac
            Setrac 1 June 2013 05: 33
            0
            Quote: sergey32
            By the way, it is worth taking a closer look at the Israeli experience in agriculture. Before the formation of Israel, Jews practically did not engage in agriculture around the world, but now there is an advanced agricultural sector. It’s not a sin to learn, in relation to our conditions, of course.

            Israel is a dating state; grandmothers are pouring into it immeasurably if we let the country go bankrupt into the village.
        2. Sinbad
          Sinbad 27 May 2013 10: 25
          +3
          It would be possible, I would give you, dear "Fox", ten +.
        3. vyatom
          vyatom 27 May 2013 12: 16
          +4
          Quote: Fox
          Russia does not give peace to Israeli "friends"? and so, especially for the gifted. in the village (where I live), the guys do not smoke, everyone served and are preparing for the army. actively go in for sports. Alkans in the village (out of about 1200 people) -3 (!) things. so let your Jewish picture sit in your head. the village does not live in poverty, many new houses are being built. yes, and the most interesting thing: there are no p_idors, narcs and Jews.

          My friend, I'm happy for you. But unfortunately the picture in the northwest is very, very depressing. I travel a lot myself and see everything. As an example, I go to visit my relatives in Belarus. As the saying goes, whoever saw it, "comments are superfluous."
        4. atalef
          atalef 27 May 2013 18: 30
          +2
          Quote: Fox
          Well, especially for the gifted. In the village (where I live) guys do not smoke, everyone served and are preparing for the army. They are actively involved in sports. Cafes in the village (out of about 1200 people) are 3 (!) pieces. So, your jewish picture

          And no one smokes? laughing
          And nobody drinks? And all the polls are completely engaged.
          Fox - tell your tales to ravens, CAN CHEESE FREEDOM.
          By the way, drop the address of this miracle. Or how . laughing
          Well this is necessary, as it is buggy.
      3. maksuta
        maksuta 27 May 2013 08: 49
        +4
        I drink a little bit of you.
        1. atalef
          atalef 28 May 2013 12: 55
          0
          Quote: maksuta
          I drink a little bit of you.

          And I am neither a teetotaler and a rare Saturday without barbecue and accompanying drinks
      4. lewerlin53rus
        lewerlin53rus 27 May 2013 09: 01
        +8
        Quote: atalef
        . The village is now drinking hard and surviving with difficulty.

        Yes, there are just very few drunks left, compared with the 90s. Natural selection worked. But it’s really difficult to survive. Moreover, very few live only in agriculture. Almost everyone has gardens, but this is all for personal use. And there is very little cattle left. We are still holding a cow, but this year the collective farm is no longer there and the mind is up and down, like private cows to graze. Previously, we drove with collective farms.
        1. DeerIvanovich
          DeerIvanovich 27 May 2013 13: 58
          +3
          and you’ll tie it to a chain, my friends started doing it about 5 years ago when their farm was closed. they say from 6 collective farm farms one more from a neighboring village is holding on, and out of 100 places only 30 are occupied ... alas, in the Non-Chernozem region the situation in the village is much worse than in the Non-Chernozem region. True, there are small islands where people still hold on ... But with such a disproportion in production costs and a selling price ... how long will they last ...
      5. Ivan.
        Ivan. 27 May 2013 11: 31
        +3
        Quote: atalef
        The village is now drinking hard and surviving with difficulty. If this is the core - then I'm sorry.

        This is the pivot in the sense that it is not infected by liberal ideas, pluralism of opinions, and minorities of various types. The fact that he drinks a kind of self-defense without restraint, but for a long time it will not be enough. If in the next 10 years everything does not change dramatically, then there will be no future for the village, the country and the whole world - no future.
        1. atalef
          atalef 28 May 2013 12: 57
          0
          Quote: Ivan.
          This is the core in the sense that it is not infected by liberal ideas, pluralism of opinions, minorities of various types

          And what do you mean by the word pluralism?
      6. Denis
        Denis 27 May 2013 11: 44
        +6
        Quote: atalef
        The village is now drinking hard and surviving with difficulty
        Do not wishful thinking
        Those who drank it already drank from cheap alcohol. There was no time for the rest. Many who plow in the city and live like a gastric (that’s the trouble), on arrival, they’re not drunk. Although few people, but they found a job in the village
        Infants drink, they have time, though milk
      7. Setrac
        Setrac 1 June 2013 05: 31
        0
        Quote: atalef
        The village now drinks soundly and survives with difficulty.

        In the cities, too, everyone thumps, injects, it’s a shame to talk about homosexuals in general, I will clarify in Israeli cities.
    2. Metlik
      Metlik 27 May 2013 17: 44
      +2
      Russians have always lived as a community. It is no coincidence that the villages did not lock the doors. To everyone who wanted to conquer Russia, this community was like a knife at the throat, because their principle is to divide and conquer. One people cannot be defeated. Therefore, their goal is to destroy the people, turn them into a population, where man to man is a wolf.
    3. fero
      fero 27 May 2013 19: 45
      +3
      it was like that before, because the birth rate in the village was big ... hence the soldiers for the army and hard workers for factories and all that I want. The human reserves were in the village BEFORE ... but not now.
  • lexe
    lexe 27 May 2013 08: 13
    +9
    The identity of the nation is best seen in the countryside. Cities (with advertising / shops) are becoming universal for all nations. The West keeps its village with huge subsidies, and China is still a big village. But we chose a nanopart ... Isn’t it too early? Well armed and a well-fed peasant on his land in a conflict with the use of weapons of mass destruction is the 2nd army in the rear. Who are we preparing our empty land without villages?
  • Horn
    Horn 27 May 2013 08: 16
    +9
    Without work, a settlement cannot exist. Unless, of course, this is Chechnya. In the absence of LARGE agricultural enterprises, the village is doomed. Everyone simply cannot become entrepreneurs.
    1. olegff68
      olegff68 27 May 2013 10: 35
      +4
      Quote: Horn
      Without work, a settlement cannot exist. Unless, of course, this is Chechnya. In the absence of LARGE agricultural enterprises, the village is doomed. Everyone simply cannot become entrepreneurs.

      Large agricultural enterprises strangle peasants - agricultural corporations are massively building livestock complexes, raising "silicone" pigs on hormones in 2 months, poisoning us by filling the counters with "inexpensive" mutant meat. The peasant does not withstand such competition, he gives up driving livestock and goes to the city for meat himself.
      1. Horn
        Horn 27 May 2013 12: 55
        +1
        One or two "farmers" are strangled, giving jobs to several dozen villagers. Meat and milk from a personal backyard will NEVER enrich a peasant. Only a reseller!
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2013 14: 54
          +2
          Quote: Horn
          The meat and milk from the personal compound will NEVER enrich the peasant. Only a reseller!

          what nonsense
          people can live well not having two three good cows and a couple of sows.
          1. DeerIvanovich
            DeerIvanovich 27 May 2013 16: 54
            +1
            in-in, ravine wrote:
            Quote: Horn
            The meat and milk from the personal compound will NEVER enrich the peasant. Only a reseller!
            and for personal needs, one cow and several lamb above the roof is enough.
            1. Setrac
              Setrac 1 June 2013 05: 54
              +1
              Quote: DeerIvanovich
              and for personal needs, one cow and several lamb above the roof is enough.


              However, personal needs are not limited to milk and meat.
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 1 June 2013 11: 44
                -1
                Quote: Setrac
                However, personal needs are not limited to milk and meat.

                plant another potato laughing
                1. Setrac
                  Setrac 1 June 2013 16: 30
                  +1
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  plant another potato

                  As well as a separate bed for clothes, a bed for planting pentiums and a plasma TV, cell phones grow there. And then the garden of sim cards.
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 1 June 2013 18: 25
                    0
                    Well, if you can, then for God's sake, one thing is not clear what to mess with, because a hedgehog is clear what the conversation was about.
                    1. Setrac
                      Setrac 1 June 2013 22: 30
                      0
                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Well, if you can, then for God's sake, one thing is not clear what to mess with, because a hedgehog is clear what the conversation was about.

                      You operate on emoticons here, it’s funny to you how people live in the village! The people who feed you.
                      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 1 June 2013 23: 57
                        0
                        Quote: Setrac
                        it’s funny to you how people live in the village! The people who feed you.

                        I don’t even know what to say
                        You still tell me how hard it is to harvest hay and in general about the hard life of a peasant
          2. atalef
            atalef 28 May 2013 07: 55
            +1
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            what nonsense
            people can live well not having two three good cows and a couple of sows.

            Having them as the main source of income - they cannot live with dignity, as extra incomes - maybe. Only the maintenance of 2 cows and several sows, this is full plowing (after the main work) The question is different - a person should be adequately provided while working at one job - there is something to spend on time - children, some kind of self-development or just rest.
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 28 May 2013 09: 22
              0
              Having them as the main source of income - they cannot live with dignity
              why such a statement?
              where do you live?
              1. atalef
                atalef 28 May 2013 12: 10
                +2
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                why such a statement?
                where do you live?

                Vladimir>, what is the maximum income per year that 3 cows and 3 sows can provide. Of course, throw out the cost of feed, winter - well, in general, costs.
                Family say 4th person. They can live (with dignity, I mean)
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                where do you live?

                Well, the flag shows, but generally lived for a while in the Pskov region. and what a cow is, I know very well (how to keep, mow) and in general everything that lies behind peasant work.
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 28 May 2013 12: 30
                  0
                  well, let's count 2 sows - 20-24 pigs per year 1.5-2 per month (180 kg) 36000 (we will remove sixteen feeds) two cows 30-49 liters of milk per day 18000 r per month if selling milk if cottage cheese is more expensive, when this must be borne in mind that the costs are slightly different than in the city, including a different rate for lipdriving
                  1. Setrac
                    Setrac 1 June 2013 06: 04
                    -1
                    From two cows 15-20 liters of milk per day, which the buyer will take 10 r per liter, as a result, from two cows (given that you sell part of the milk to neighbors for a large amount) 300 rubles a day. You can’t grow 20-24 piglets without purchased feed and your weight gain per feed unit will be lower than at a large agricultural enterprise (roughly speaking, your meat will be more expensive).
                    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 1 June 2013 11: 42
                      0
                      Quote: Setrac
                      From two cows 15-20 liters of milk per day

                      if your cow gives 7 liters a day, slaughter it and don’t suffer, (Zaane’s goat gives 6 liters)
                      Quote: Setrac
                      Roughly speaking, your meat will be more expensive

                      it should cost more. But it doesn’t surprise you that a brabus is more expensive than a serial gelding, it's just meat of a different quality.
                      Quote: Setrac
                      can grow without purchased feed

                      you will be surprised again, but it’s possible, I feed goats until January with apples (fresh)
                      Quote: Setrac
                      From two cows 15-20 liters of milk per day, which the buyer will take 10 r per liter, as a result, from two cows (given that you sell part of the milk to neighbors for a large amount) 300 rubles a day. You can’t grow 20-24 piglets without purchased feed and your weight gain per feed unit will be lower than at a large agricultural enterprise (roughly speaking, your meat will be more expensive).

                      You skipped math at school
                      I don’t know what they were finishing, you I was finishing physical education
                      Keeping a cow is not just "tying on a chain"
                      but where did you get that I don’t know how to keep and how difficult it is
                      the buyer will take 10 r per liter
                      it’s more profitable to sell (which is often done) processed products, the same for pork
                      1. Setrac
                        Setrac 1 June 2013 16: 32
                        0
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        but where did you get that I don’t know how to keep and how difficult it is

                        I took it based on your words. I did not finish physical education, but I live in the same village and my education is agricultural.
                      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 1 June 2013 18: 27
                        0
                        if you have a CX education, you hold 7-10 liters per day for the rate of milk yield, then I don’t even know what to say.
                        By the way, I don't even live in the village, from me to the nearest 1 km, but to the nearest store 4, so let's not measure ourselves with "pussy"
                      3. Setrac
                        Setrac 1 June 2013 22: 17
                        0
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        if you have a CX education, you hold 7-10 liters per day for the rate of milk yield, then I don’t even know what to say.
                        By the way, I don't even live in the village, from me to the nearest 1 km, but to the nearest store 4, so let's not measure ourselves with "pussy"

                        You live where you indicated, And have nothing to do with agriculture!
                        The norms of a large agricultural enterprise are unattainable for a private trader who has 2-3 cows. Maybe not 10 liters, but 15 liters a day is the maximum that is unattainable for most.
      2. Setrac
        Setrac 1 June 2013 05: 53
        -1
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        people can live well not having two three good cows and a couple of sows.

        Did you skip math at school? How much milk a cow gives is known, the cost is known, calculate the profit per day, and try to live on that amount. Keeping a cow is not just "tying on a chain"; feeding several heads of cattle without mechanization is not a trivial task. Under the USSR, collective farmers' household plots were maintained at the expense of stolen or otherwise obtained (without payment) feed, and even taking care of animals with free feed is hard work.
      3. Horn
        Horn 26 June 2013 15: 03
        0
        And what to feed them with? Oats are now expensive!
  • DeerIvanovich
    DeerIvanovich 27 May 2013 14: 00
    +1
    mainly such agricultural corporations are managed by foreign capital
  • UFO
    UFO 27 May 2013 08: 24
    0
    The main question of all revolutions is the question of land. Our village has a future, but we need to look at it a little more broadly. Those LLCs (former collective farms and state farms) who feel good, let them develop that way, and those villages where "3 grandmothers and 1 grandfather" remained should be leased for 100 years with an extension on the condition "to rebuild the village and dilute it with / x production ". Well, and other options for legal entities. registrations are possible, as long as it is necessary to DO! hi
    1. maksuta
      maksuta 27 May 2013 08: 54
      +5
      we gave the forest for rent. So already this year for wood you need to go 20 km. The tenant cut out the village village forest, the youngsters stayed of course.
  • Asgard
    Asgard 27 May 2013 08: 49
    14
    Revival People possible only from the village.
    In a city, a person is degrading, his morality, conscientiousness are falling, his dependence on the social and social group of People is growing. Which may be good (with good organization)) but this organization is just NOT .....,Chaos is growing ....People gather and freeze cities, stuff them with various "cultures" ????, territories limited in space, and give preferences to certain groups of the population, according to social, ethnic principles ...
    That is, on the face of the "bad" organization of clashing masses of peoples and groups ....
    The Authorities, in the person of the state, are engaged in this.

    And what can oppose People with a general decline in education, the evening zombie TV with a very low Cultural level, even when reading "Voennoye Obozreniye", the level of materials fell to the level (I apologize for the tautology))) "d.u.r.a. itself" .... this is I'm talking about an article - "patriotism", "don't care" .., "about condoms" .. and so on, and so on ... Such headlines drop the site to the level of "yellow press"
    That is - below average(far low))
    Maybe moderators should not skip all materials??

    Sorry distracted))) If you are smart, educated and full of strength, look forward SAMI, and not what the media stuffed you... You have to make a decision, while there is time, sell an apartment in the city and settle in a village (so that your Rod survives)) it will be difficult to do this in a nine-story building))) with an idiotic power and a total general decline of culture, cultivating low principles and harmful habits. Look - how do you earn (just honestly)) Are you useful to society? Do you do something specifically with your hands? Head? Or just a "screw" in some big, incomprehensible system that does not produce anything, such as banking, trade, management. supplies .... All of this WILL DIE pretty soon.

    But the village will be reborn .... Savvy, hands, work on Earth (NO other options .....
    1. Normal
      Normal 27 May 2013 15: 38
      +4
      Quote: Asgard
      You have to make a decision, while there is time, sell an apartment in the city and settle in a village (so that your Rod will survive)) in a nine-story building it will be difficult to do))) with idiotic power and a total general decline of culture, cultivating base principles and bad habits. Look - how do you earn (just honestly)) Are you useful to society? Do you do something specifically with your hands? Head? Or just a "screw" in some big incomprehensible system that does not produce anything, such as banking, trade, management. supplies .... All of this WILL DIE pretty soon.

      Eh, namesake, how are you right ....
      Only where to get strength and health, patience and calm, wisdom and the necessary knowledge. And money, money, money (damn them)
      But all one thing - you have to ....
    2. Fox
      Fox 27 May 2013 16: 14
      +2
      Quote: Asgard
      You have to make a decision - while there is time - sell an apartment in the city and settle in the village

      recently I met one man, he was selling a hunting gun, he sold everything, he went to the village, built a house, started an apiary, planted a vineyard ... in short, he scored completely on the city. but there was a yacht, an apartment, a couple of garages, cars ... in general he got rid of from all "taxes" to the state.
  • pahom54
    pahom54 27 May 2013 08: 59
    +8
    Maybe someone does not know that somewhere until the 70s the population in the village was kept at least by the absence of passports. For the guys, the only opportunity was to join the army on conscription, and after serving, go to some construction site on a Komsomol ticket. They entered the technical institutes according to the order ... In general, if strictly judged, then natural slavery. BUT!!! The village existed, and not bad, houses were built, clubs, kindergartens, people bought cars and motorcycles, and the crops were normal ... But then, with the advent of so-called freedom, many young people from the villages wanted to live among discos and supermarkets. But those who wanted to become a farmer and who worked from dawn to dawn - they were devoured by exorbitant loans and officials (this is one example of one of my classmates).
    Recently I spoke with young people from near Podolsk. Two of them graduated from agricultural institutes, the rest - who-what, BUT !!! All with higher education. We were engaged in the cultivation of vegetables, mainly potatoes and other root crops. And their products are of high quality. I bought it myself. They themselves plant, sow, process, grow ... And again, RUSSIAN PROBLEM: EXTRAORDINARY LOANS AND OFFICIALS, which need to be fed !!! Notice, lately it’s not necessary to talk about gangster assaults, as in the 90s, now everything is done culturally, but the essence of this has not only changed, but, according to the words of these guys, has become even worse.
    I myself have been living in the USSR-RF for 60 years now, and I will say one thing: as in the days of Gorbachev, the country's leadership turned its ass to the peasantry, so it still is in this form. They forgot that from time immemorial Russia was an agrarian country, and fed, if not half the world, then half of Europe for sure (this is with the kings), but already in the second half of the XNUMXth century, for some reason, our vegetables and fruits rotted in the fields and orchards, and we forced to eat Bulgarian and Hungarian. That is, they destroyed the village stubbornly, for a long time and persistently.
    Do not consider me such a cynic, but it seems to me that already in Russia there are practically no people who want to work on the land with joy, they work only when necessary. Most likely, now it is possible to drive to the land in only one way: earlier, convicts were driven to the logging, and now only in this way can agriculture be partially revived. And the first to drive the boyars from the Duma to the fields.
  • vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 27 May 2013 08: 59
    +1
    How everything is up and running. What can a village offer a person? Dirt, labor from dawn to dawn, minimum income. So while all this will be, the village is doomed to bend. At one time there was the idea of ​​rural industrialization, agricultural production, but brainless analysts convinced the authorities that the peasant would not live without a farmstead, that the basis of life in the village was a private subsidiary farm. This was and put an end to. I am convinced that the upsurge of agriculture requires its industrialization, with all the consequences. A normal working day, with normal pay, mechanization and automation of production processes, normal roads, modern living conditions for workers. This is the only way to raise the status of rural life. Who can provide all this? only the state with its resources, no private entrepreneur is able to do this. The conclusions are simple and clear to everyone.
    Of course there is a development path, volunteers among young people, with the construction of rural communities and incredibly difficult working conditions, only how many such volunteers will be? and how long will they last?
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 27 May 2013 09: 04
      +4
      Quote: vladsolo56
      but brainless analysts convinced the authorities that the peasant would not live without a farmstead, that the basis of life in the countryside was a private subsidiary farm.


      Why do you think a huge number of townspeople have their own "6 acres"?
      1. vladsolo56
        vladsolo56 27 May 2013 09: 25
        +2
        not because of the incredible craving to delve into the ground, most just because they would rest at least once a week in nature. There is of course a part that are of help in the products. Just agree for a normal family in which more than 4 people 6 hundred parts are not help, but care.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 27 May 2013 10: 00
          +4
          Quote: vladsolo56
          not because of the incredible craving to delve into the ground, most just because they would rest at least once a week in nature.

          In our summer cottage village, 1 (one) plot satisfies this criterion - no plantings. The rest are "dug"

          Quote: vladsolo56
          There is of course a part that are of help in the products.

          Very little. Mostly grown because there is confidence in the quality of their products. And there is the opportunity to use them ultra-fresh.
    2. ole
      ole 27 May 2013 09: 53
      +3
      They wrote everything right. I will add earlier dated 2010-2012 separately fuels and lubricants, FERTILIZERS, SEEDS and T, D now for 1 ha 800 rub. lacks even fertilizer. Driving everything seems to be correct in the insurance system, but experience shows that insurers throw without hesitation, and insurance leaves money without money. Milk saves while Toko, if the price drops, almost everyone in the non-black soil zone and the risky farming economy will die.
    3. DeerIvanovich
      DeerIvanovich 27 May 2013 14: 06
      +1
      Well, judging by your futile you have other moral values. The mud in the village is as much as in the city, but only it is more useful laughing
      The peasant has enough income to have enough for life, those who are more interested in consumption - they live in cities.
      If there was work, there would be a village. The only catch is that the money is not important for the villagers, and they won’t recover quickly - there is no seed capital, as noted above
      1. vladsolo56
        vladsolo56 27 May 2013 14: 38
        +2
        The point is not who lives where, but who produces how much, the sole individual will never be able to provide the country with food, these are all fables for silly schoolchildren. Only powerful industrial enterprises can produce enough food. And it is not necessary to apply chemistry and GMOs.
        1. Denis
          Denis 27 May 2013 16: 04
          +1
          Quote: vladsolo56
          never alone will be able to provide the country with food, these are all fables for stupid schoolchildren
          For a long time, of course, it was, but did the collective farms work before the revolution?
          However, they provided and even exported
        2. DeerIvanovich
          DeerIvanovich 27 May 2013 17: 02
          +1
          no matter how anyone argues with you, Belarus is a prime example. your post above concerned another:
          Quote: vladsolo56
          What can a village offer a person? Dirt, labor from dawn to dawn, minimum income. So while all this will be, the village is doomed to bend

          no matter how you are from us, because I am quite satisfied with the proposal about village dirt, labor from dawn to dawn and minimum income, unlike urban dirt, immorality and frantic income ... Judging by this post quoted by you, your second option is preferable.
      2. Setrac
        Setrac 1 June 2013 06: 10
        0
        Quote: DeerIvanovich
        The peasant has enough income to have enough for life, those who are more interested in consumption - they live in cities.

        I suggest you live like this. The peasant also wants to have a satisfying meal, and after plowing in the field, he should not rake a cow in his yard, but play with his son another toy.
    4. Setrac
      Setrac 1 June 2013 06: 06
      0
      Quote: vladsolo56
      I am convinced that the upsurge of agriculture requires its industrialization, with all the consequences. A normal working day, with normal pay, mechanization and automation of production processes, normal roads, modern living conditions for workers.

      This is where flourishing agricultural enterprises stand.
  • T-130
    T-130 27 May 2013 09: 01
    +5
    In the current situation, when 1 kg of cucumbers or a tomato in Moscow costs 200 rubles and in China 10 and open borders, even if you want to work in the countryside, growing products is simply not profitable!
    1. leon-iv
      leon-iv 27 May 2013 12: 43
      +2
      1 kg of cucumbers or tomato in Moscow costs 200 rubles

      Are they made of gold?
      On Friday, I bought tomatoes from this producer www.mosagro.ru/ at a price of 62 r kg. BUT this is so far the end of May.
      1. DeerIvanovich
        DeerIvanovich 27 May 2013 14: 07
        +2
        so in May these cucumbers are already full, you would have said in August, there prices generally fall. and in winter under 200
    2. seller trucks
      seller trucks 27 May 2013 17: 14
      -2
      Quote: T-130
      In the current situation when 1 kg of cucumbers or tomato in Moscow costs 200 rubles


      nonsense, there are no such prices in Moscow, in ATAK 68 rubles. in the "five" a little more expensive, on the market (the most expensive in the suburbs) 120 rubles, in addition, they did not pay attention to the beef chilled during the year equaled the price of pork, was 400 rubles. no, if you stock up in the "Azbuka Vkusa" I have no questions, incidentally, strawberries this year started immediately within 100 rubles. frozen is more expensive.
  • gabs
    gabs 27 May 2013 09: 09
    +9
    In my village there is an asphalt road, comfortable apartments, gas telephone. In the early 80s, the farm was a millionaire, for which thanks to the chairman of the collective farm. But due to personal reasons, the Boss, as he was respectfully called, began to drink and he was removed. They put another one, who bankrupted the collective farm, everything that could be stolen, after which he was transferred to the regional center, where he now sits as the head of the regional housing and communal services. The collective farm has changed several owners. Now Mir LLC, like some collective farms, belongs to the daughter of the former Minister of Agriculture of Udmurtia, whose workers receive a penny. People mostly go to work in the city or on watch. Individual entrepreneurs in the village are mainly engaged in timber processing. The lands are abandoned, the fields are overgrown with forest. Farmers who are engaged in growing potatoes cannot sell their products and are forced to surrender them for pennies to Azerbaijanis, who have seized all sales markets and are parasites on this.
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  • Egen
    Egen 27 May 2013 09: 11
    +4
    You guys are all right, but not about that.
    Why compare the USSR and now. Then there was a planned state economy, the village and food were NEEDED. In our village, even at the beginning of perestroika, milk was collected from the yards, despite the fact that the state farm had its own considerable livestock complex. And in the fall a lot of cattle were handed over. Yes, labor in the countryside was not easy, and they paid in our village (at the state farm, + -5 years from 1980) somewhere around 3 less than in the city. But you hand over milk, cattle - if you weren’t lazy, you could earn a car in a few years. Then, if anyone remembers, cars were first allocated to the workers of the village, and car shops with scarce goods were regularly called in. By the way, our village is at 70 km from the district center, and that in turn is at 100 km from Novosib.
    This is me because the PRODUCTS of the village were in demand and the STATE not only paid for it, but also REWARDS (and medals too).
    NOW, the economy is completely OTHER - the market. Clearly, it is unprofitable for a milk (or meat) factory to deal with private owners, and in a village (not far from cities) it is easier to buy a package of milk than to keep a cow. Therefore, there is no such system. It is more profitable to work with large agricultural enterprises. This is elementary.
    But even without a socialist system, one can live in a village. An example is the same farmers in the USA. And in Europe, though they pour milk, it’s better than ours. It is clear that the whole of Europe is tiny, the distances are not the same, but the matter is not in them, but in the laws.
    If the state takes care of the village, then it lives. Moreover, it takes care not only in words, not only giving handouts for gasoline, etc., which by and large is garbage, but in fact - GLOBALLY.
    Example. I was once at a professor from the University of Arizona (where the desert is), the 3rd largest university in the United States; he is engaged in "agricultural marketing". The scope of his faculty includes such a lot of everything - and agro, and processing, and agricultural enterprises, and farmers, and ecology, and even the department of finance and insurance of agriculture - in general, a whole bunch of everything is heaped up, and all this systematically, from - and up to, and this is only in the field of agricultural marketing (honestly, from such a volume, I understood little). This shows how seriously they take the topic over the hill.
    And with us, what is the STATE strategy of agricultural development ... and without the STATE orientation there will be no sense :(
    1. DeerIvanovich
      DeerIvanovich 27 May 2013 14: 10
      +1
      Quote: Egen
      about 3 times less than in the city

      I don’t know where you worked ... but they received more, especially in the country ... in the country they received sooo much.
      1. Egen
        Egen 27 May 2013 15: 48
        0
        Quote: DeerIvanovich
        but they got more, especially in strada ... in strada they got sooo much

        but, I’m sorry, I didn’t specify: depending on where and how to count ... he wrote geographically where - a village in the NSO towards Omsk. By s / pl, around 1980: 120r, tractor drivers - well, no more than 200, combine harvesters can 1 months - 350-400 (corn for livestock feed, not wheat). This is a state farm, it may have happened on a collective farm, but our state farm was good, relatively rich (with neighbors). Although, in the direction of Barnaul was the Proletarka, they are richer, if they don’t change the memory, they just grew wheat, but did not wonder about their form of ownership :) And in Krasnozerek there were camp sites, horses and koumiss even then, it was already not a village, and a village :).
        At the same time, there was 80р in the city of the s / pl of a completely green engineer, with some experience - 120-150 and more, but of a non-engineer, not quite the last investigator, for example, in the prosecutor’s office or an employee of the city or, especially, regional executive committee (not the bosses) , - until 280-320r., all the year round, and the police and prosecutors still had some privileges on travel, etc. Here, and you? :)
        1. DeerIvanovich
          DeerIvanovich 27 May 2013 19: 13
          +1
          in strada, it reached up to 500-1000 (worked in three shifts), in the less stressful seasons 120-200, but on average the urban received the same, your example with the police and the prosecutor's office, as well as an engineer, are extremely unsuccessful, since this category of workers was in high esteem, respectively, and there was more money.
          Moreover, the capacity for work such a term still exists and not only in non-agricultural production, it is ...
          You would be better compared with s / n. sellers, bakers, drivers, etc.
          1. Egen
            Egen 28 May 2013 08: 02
            0
            Quote: DeerIvanovich
            your example with the police and the prosecutor's office, as well as an engineer, is extremely unsuccessful, since this category of workers was held in high esteem, and accordingly there was more money.

            Quote: DeerIvanovich
            You would be better compared with s / n. sellers, bakers, drivers, etc.

            ah, don’t tell :) On the 1 side, I agree with you, but I specifically made this comparison with 2 because, as you correctly write, the indicated professions in the village were held in high esteem because at a similar level, that's why I compared :)
            The bakers we still receive the least, and the drivers in the native motorcade on the intercity, if it also happened, 400-450 rubbed in rubles, at the indicated salaries of engineers of the same a / c. But the drivers of bread machines when changing 4 / 2 (you imagine that it is from 4 in the morning to go on a flight until 4 in the evening, and in 40-gr frost trays with bread turn over), as they received less then, and now they receive a maximum of 15т.р ., or even subtract for shortage, etc. and 8 remains ...
  • Yozhas
    Yozhas 27 May 2013 09: 12
    +4
    As long as people don’t have normally paid work in villages and villages, in particular, you’ll be young and will leave for cities, and only the elderly will remain. Ultimately, the village itself will die out.

    Always villages with their farming fed cities. The more villages we lose, the more we will depend on the export of Israeli carrots, Egyptian potatoes, Uzbek tomatoes, etc.
    1. T-130
      T-130 27 May 2013 09: 17
      +4
      That's the whole problem! It is necessary to close the border, and on the contrary, they reached out to the WTO to please several oligarchs, they will finish off the remnants of agriculture!
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2013 15: 00
        +1
        Quote: T-130
        Close the border

        just closing the border will not give anything, will you buy meat three to four times more expensive than now?
        subsidizing measures, price controls, and many others are needed.
    2. djon3volta
      djon3volta 27 May 2013 09: 37
      -3
      Quote: Hedgehog
      Uzbek tomato, etc.

      Dagestan: harvested the first harvest of the investment project "Fresh Vegetables"

      Agroprompark opened in Kazan.
      By order of the President of Tatarstan, the Agroprompark can sell their products only agricultural producers themselves or villagers' consumer cooperatives, not intermediaries.

      Strawberry picking season opened in Chechnya

      Glory to Tatarstan, where do I live? Yes, glory! But what not?

      Do you want MORE and more detailed information about agricultural production in Russia? Then read the news here http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/?id=120

      I will not only praise Putin, I will soon praise Chechnya and Dagestan! SPECIALLY I will do this, that will annoy you ALL more!

      ps - Why are there no gay parades in Grozny, but are there in Moscow and Kiev?
      1. ole
        ole 27 May 2013 09: 53
        +1
        Financial experts will help farmers overcome the crisis
        A third of the agricultural enterprises in the region are now on the verge of bankruptcy due to huge loans. However, financial experts are convinced that a difficult situation can be confronted and out of it with minimal losses. A meeting on the prevention of bankruptcy of agricultural enterprises was held in the Vologda Chamber of Commerce and Industry.
        “The specialists who are involved in asset management in the agricultural sector, unfortunately, work separately, so we decided to seek the help of professional experts,” said Deputy Governor Nikolai Guslinsky, opening the meeting. - The main obstacle to the development of agricultural enterprises is high credit indebtedness: for example, the annual income of agricultural enterprises is 14 billion rubles, and bank debts - 12 billion, that is, almost 90% of the money earned goes to pay loans. Nevertheless, it is necessary and possible to learn to work efficiently and in such difficult conditions.
        The same opinion is shared by the head of the department of agriculture, food resources and trade of the region Nikolai Anishchenko, who described the current state of the agricultural industry. More recently, there were more than a million hectares of agricultural land in the region, but their number decreases every year. Although the region is doing everything possible for the self-sufficiency of milk, egg, potatoes, meat, nevertheless, some industries, such as livestock, are losing ground, and the number of livestock is declining.
        “The competition over Russia's entry into the WTO will be even tougher,” Nikolai Ivanovich recalled. - To stay on the market, you need to introduce new technologies. Of course, there are 17 robots on dairy farms, but they only serve a thousand cows. In most livestock complexes, half a century ago technologies are still involved. The enterprises lack funds for the modernization of production in connection with debt bondage, as a result of which a third of them may soon be on the verge of bankruptcy. There are resources to solve these difficult problems: large production areas, a solid fodder base. But these resources need to be used efficiently, perhaps, in general, to abandon unprofitable types of products.
        The governor of the region Oleg Kuvshinnikov instructed the department to formulate proposals for additional support for the industry. According to forecasts, next year it should increase 1,7 times.
        “Bankruptcy is not a verdict on the enterprise, but the possibility of financial recovery, if you approach this procedure thoughtfully, competently and find tools that can be used to get out of a difficult situation,” said the chairman of the Club of Business People of the Vologda Community, the president of a self-regulatory organization of independent arbitration managers "Case" Vladimir Zolotov. “You should not wait for life to bite you painfully, you need to analyze the situation in a timely manner and determine in advance how to solve problems.”
        “Our task is not to“ kill ”the enterprise, but to help it survive, to find the“ loss point ”from which we can push off to rise,” said expert Svetlana Pashkova. - We have helped many organizations to get out of bankruptcy, using it to stabilize the situation, prolong long-term payments and gradually pay them off, possibly due to new short-term loans, possibly attracting investors, using unused internal reserves and so on.
        At the end of the meeting, financial experts offered its participants free consultative assistance and a more specific analysis of the situation with subsequent exit to the enterprise.

        Tatyana SHALUSHKINA
      2. annenkov242
        annenkov242 27 May 2013 10: 15
        +2
        Because Kazan, no need to compare with Moscow! A tomato.
      3. Ivan.
        Ivan. 27 May 2013 11: 56
        +2
        Quote: djon3volta
        SPECIALLY I will do that to annoy you ALL more

        You have little malice in the world?
      4. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2013 15: 02
        +2
        Quote: djon3volta
        only agricultural producers or consumer cooperatives of the villagers themselves, and not intermediaries

        this is window dressing and it’s very smart at that, intermediaries are needed, another question is that you need to control the margin.
        the manufacturer itself is especially small, far from always able to come, not to mention standing on the market
      5. itkul
        itkul 27 May 2013 15: 14
        +2
        Quote: djon3volta
        I will not only praise Putin, I will soon praise Chechnya and Dagestan! SPECIALLY I will do this, that will annoy you ALL more!


        Dear, and on your site, we’ve done so by chance there are no statistics on how many children we sell abroad (for adoption), we can be proud of these data, for oil and gas it’s pretty clear, but for exporting children abroad it’s not entirely clear
        1. djon3volta
          djon3volta 27 May 2013 18: 56
          0
          Quote: itkul
          by chance there are no statistics on how many children we sell abroad (for adoption), we can be proud of these data.

          there are no such statistics on done. you can search on the echo of Moscow or the rain, there are probably there. everything is there, these are the most truthful media laughing
          By the way, you can sell your child abroad, he will be fed and provided there, otherwise in Russia all the poor in tatters go and salaries are 5 thousand laughing
      6. Garrin
        Garrin 27 May 2013 18: 21
        +3
        Quote: djon3volta
        ps - Why are there no gay parades in Grozny, but are there in Moscow and Kiev?

        You will Umboys... In Moscow (by the way, with a capital letter), there have not been and will not be gay parades. Is that, even if tomorrow, on the Day of the Border Troops, let them parade past the Central Park of Culture and Leisure. Gorky. Forcing "minus".
        1. djon3volta
          djon3volta 27 May 2013 18: 53
          -2
          Quote: Garrin
          In Moscow (by the way, with a capital letter), there were no gay parades.

          try in Grozny at least hint something about a gay parade laughing and in Moscow and not only by the way, there was recently an article on this site in which cities of Russia gay activists are going to laughing .
          in the Muslim republics it is considered a shame, all sorts of homosexuals, and even drunks and prostitutes ..
          1. Garrin
            Garrin 27 May 2013 19: 38
            +1
            Quote: djon3volta
            in the Muslim republics it is considered a shame, all sorts of homosexuals, and even drunks and prostitutes ..

            Respected UMBOI, Enlighten the orphan and wretched, and Papua New Guinea, is it a Muslim republic? Or do you still eat "human victims" there?
    3. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2013 14: 58
      +1
      Quote: Hedgehog
      As long as there is no normally paid work in villages and villages, in particular, young people will leave for cities and only old people will remain. In the end, the village itself will die out

      what does it mean well-paid, direct labor compensation depends on the price at which products can be sold, if milk is bought at 7 rubles per liter, do you think the shepherd will get a lot ?!
  • djon3volta
    djon3volta 27 May 2013 09: 20
    +1
    specially these pictures stuck to the article, I know why, and you know.

    but such a house and a POSITIVE article about the village will never be published on this site, because the more negative, bad news, the TYPE people (what kind of people, how many people?) will get more angry, and TYPE will take out the Crumpey on forks. and the scribes themselves publish any garbage on the internet, what are they hoping for? to get a medal in the future from the US Congress or in a dream see that they will take a place in power? no, they (scribes) are sure that they will count their negative activity in the form though would be 1-2 kilograms of cookies.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 27 May 2013 09: 24
      +7
      Quote: djon3volta
      but such a house and a POSITIVE article about the village will never be published on this site

      Umboys Manam, and you take and write an article like this, I don’t think that the administration will kill it.
      Now, if the administration cuts it down and does not let it through, then you will scratch your tongue about how bad the administration is.
    2. annenkov242
      annenkov242 27 May 2013 10: 19
      +4
      Go on charging, your battery is dead, from the ulus
    3. SCS
      SCS 27 May 2013 12: 16
      +4
      Dear John, have you ever left Tatarstan?
      Take a special ride to see which houses are facing east! I was immediately struck by the way people live in different regions (I had to drive through the country. Barnaul-Moscow train). so judging by the condition of the houses and lodges along the route, I can say with confidence that people in Tatarstan live pretty well, which I won’t say about other regions, including the Moscow region ... the villages of the Urals near the road seemed especially deplorable!
      and by the way your statement "
      Quote: djon3volta
      but such a house and a POSITIVE article about the village will never be published on this site, because the more negative, bad news, the TYPE people (what kind of people, how many people?) will get more angry, and TYPE will take out the Crumpey on forks. and the scribes themselves publish any garbage on the Internet, to which they hope to get a medal in the future from us congress or in a dream see that they will take a place in power?

      Dear John, in my opinion the article is correct and very useful, but what you call "negative and bad" is nothing more than our reality! and if this is not trumpeted, it will only get worse. and even about a medal from the Congress and a place in power, then you generally gave a blunder ..... !!!
  • lexe
    lexe 27 May 2013 09: 28
    0
    Here we have webcams with areas of large cities. Can we put one in each dying Russian village / each region? And put it on the air in the evening (type-2 house). Total industrialization of the village-- why do we need gas / oil? We need to plug holes in it. In Norway, I heard that the state doesn’t unfasten the peasants for a cow (just so that it is!) And live without any industrialization in the village. Communication is the scourge of the village-science push in this regard and not spare oil revenues.
    1. lexe
      lexe 13 August 2013 00: 01
      0
      Russian Tsar
  • maksuta
    maksuta 27 May 2013 09: 32
    +2
    eehhh, in a year there would be 81-83 articles and comments in the newspaper "Selskaya Zhizn".
  • romuchik
    romuchik 27 May 2013 09: 32
    +3
    I live in the district center. People chose the head for him *** in the area he party and women need. He is surrounded by the first deputy. former beginning customs, which could have been planted a little more, but the customs were disbanded and he is now cutting the state budget in the civil service. The deputy for agriculture, the local mafia, also saws the state. all the farmers are afraid of his money. Another deputy relative of the head, also involved in the budget cut. People chose the head of the district, and Putin is again to blame.
    1. maksuta
      maksuta 27 May 2013 09: 37
      +3
      order him (them).
    2. vyatom
      vyatom 27 May 2013 12: 26
      +2
      Quote: romuchik
      I live in the district center. People chose the head for him *** in the area he party and women need. He is surrounded by the first deputy. former beginning customs, which could have been planted a little more, but the customs were disbanded and he is now cutting the state budget in the civil service. The deputy for agriculture, the local mafia, also saws the state. all the farmers are afraid of his money. Another deputy relative of the head, also involved in the budget cut. People chose the head of the district, and Putin is again to blame.


      It’s necessary to plant such ... owls.
    3. Denis
      Denis 27 May 2013 13: 27
      +3
      Quote: romuchik
      People chose the head of the district
      Was there no normal?
      It’s not on a national scale. Surely, as in all districts, there was, or still may be, a regional newspaper with a resounding official name. p-not noticeable. Didn’t they know who is who?
  • romuchik
    romuchik 27 May 2013 09: 37
    +1
    We need competition, sports competition (previously it was called socialist competition) which, if there are no objective reasons, throw out the heads of the worst regions. We need a faster reaction system and fix the controls. There is a decent one, maybe after the fifth change of leadership, but there is.
  • romuchik
    romuchik 27 May 2013 09: 41
    +2
    By the way, the extinction of villages is both a sign and a direct consequence of capitalism.
    1. lexe
      lexe 27 May 2013 10: 18
      +2
      tell this to a well-fed and armed Texas farmer - I think he will treat you to whiskey (he himself is not quite a fan of alcohol)). Capitalism with them is competition with the support of a strong state, but with us .. I honestly don’t know)
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 27 May 2013 15: 16
        +1
        Quote: Lexi
        say this to a well-fed and armed Texas farmer -

        You better ask him how many subsidies he receives from the state.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2013 15: 21
          0
          I don’t know for Texas and the European Union of Artists without subsidies is uncompetitive about this directly their ministers of the Union of Artists
        2. Mhpv
          Mhpv 27 May 2013 15: 31
          0
          Yes, and fulfills the state procurement plan and does not arbitrarily
  • annenkov242
    annenkov242 27 May 2013 09: 41
    +2
    The village will revive if, in our country, they do away with theft at the top, for them muddy water - crime, everything is interconnected. We need an interested government, we have money. We need a state-patriotic program!
    A strong-willed decision, and Russia will feed half the world in five years!
    It is not necessary to compose anything, resettlement was practiced, it remains to recall and relying on the experience of our ancestors, to raise their former FOOD status of RUSSIA!
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 27 May 2013 10: 57
      +2
      We are not Ukraine, and we won’t be able to feed half the world. The climate is not the same, but I think it’s full. And I’m not going to eat American legs
      1. leon-iv
        leon-iv 27 May 2013 12: 47
        +1
        And undead American legs

        You google google poultry production in Russia learn a lot of interesting things
        The volume of poultry meat production in agricultural enterprises of Russia in January-February 2012 exceeded 500 thousand tons in slaughter weight. This is 16,9% or 73 thousand tons more than in the first two months of 2011.

        An increase in production is observed in all federal districts of the country. The highest growth rates in physical terms are observed in the Central (+23,6 thousand tons in slaughter weight), Volga (+14,9 thousand tons) and Southern (+11,7 thousand tons) federal districts.
  • romuchik
    romuchik 27 May 2013 09: 42
    0
    Quote: maksuta
    order him (them).

    Will you go as a sponsor? Or a performer? )))
    1. maksuta
      maksuta 27 May 2013 09: 49
      0
      Nope. I do not know how to write correctly.
  • romuchik
    romuchik 27 May 2013 09: 55
    +1
    Quote: maksuta
    Nope. I do not know how to write correctly.

    That's all)) We need a quick assessment of the leader’s actions (at all levels from the minister - governor to the head of the district) and a quick change. The semi-annual assessment system with the issuance of a warning, indicating corrections, recommendations. And an annual assessment based on what was done according to a previous audit and the characteristics of its territory and either an extension of authority or a replacement. A year is enough to determine what kind of person came to power. And if a person is bad, then his system will encourage him to do good things and will not let him sleep. How did I come up with? Cool same))
    1. maksuta
      maksuta 27 May 2013 10: 07
      +1
      Well, you yourself can!
  • leonardo_1971
    leonardo_1971 27 May 2013 10: 04
    +3
    I live in Kazan. 3 kilometers from her. Kuyuki village. so there is no asphalt !!! residents carry construction waste if possible to somehow drive after rain. probably because the village is not elite. officials do not live with us. I think it's a shame ! 3 km from the city! And there is no road!
  • adg76
    adg76 27 May 2013 10: 14
    +5
    Quote: maksuta
    everything is simple. Because of the creation of collective farms, the peasants were weaned from independence, and when the collective farms collapsed, it turned out that no one wanted to work on earth. That's all.

    Collective farms of course weaned from independence. Can not argue. But there is 2 side to the coin. The peasants would vryatly buy a tractor, a seeder, and other means of mechanization. It was necessary to increase returns to the earth. How would the urban population be fed? It just grew. The civil war is over. Hunger. devastation. Industrialization has come ....
  • pensioner
    pensioner 27 May 2013 10: 22
    0
    In the understanding that the Author put into the concept of "Russian village" - of course not! There is no future in the patriarchal Russian village. For one simple reason, self-interest! What used to be burned out of the minds of the villagers with a red-hot crowbar has now become their ideology ... First - for YOURSELF (no matter what happens there), THEN (if anything remains) - for society ...
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2013 15: 26
      0
      Quote: retired
      First - MYSELF (whatever happens), BECAUSE (if anything remains) - to society

      but can you explain sow stupidity?
      I eat the same honey that I sell, milk from under the same goats, meat from the same herd
  • olegff68
    olegff68 27 May 2013 10: 23
    +2
    As one not stupid person said: "the accordion will die - the village will die, the village will die - Russia will die" and he was right !!! We have forgotten our cultural heritage (dances, songs, etc.), because. it has become out of fashion, that's why we and our children got bored in the village. Young people often run to the city, to an empty place in the presence of a rich household.
    State the support of the agricultural producer really strangles the peasant - agricultural corporations are massively building livestock complexes, for 2 months raising "silicone" pigs on hormones, poisoning us by filling the counters with "inexpensive" mutant meat. The peasant does not withstand such competition, he gives up driving livestock and goes to the city, to supermarkets for meat.
  • Consul-t
    Consul-t 27 May 2013 10: 24
    +9
    Was recently in one district center not far west of Moscow. 200 km
    I didn’t notice it before, but now ... I’m walking down the street, a working day.
    Russian is almost invisible, for that reason Muslim women in hijabs walk in droves. I was dumbfounded, looked around, and they are everywhere.
    While we are "sleeping", these seep into villages, occupy empty houses. They give birth to children who become citizens of Russia.
    I don’t know about maternal capital, but they give birth a lot.
    The question is, what is the future of the Russian village ???
    1. adg76
      adg76 27 May 2013 10: 28
      +4
      "The question is, WHAT IS THE FUTURE OF THE RUSSIAN VILLAGE ???"- the future is where the locals can organize and fight back. Not armed yet
  • adg76
    adg76 27 May 2013 10: 25
    +5
    In Pavlovsky Posad, there are no manufacturers in the city market. One outbid. The city is one of the most expensive. In many respects, he will surpass Moscow. Roads killed to zero. Mainly engaged only in patching pits (without cutting pits with a mill and spilling tar, which means a violation of technology). The city travels by train and cars to Moscow to earn money. Three four hours to work and back to each side. There is no normally paid job in the city. State farms are defeated. The abundance of summer residents from Moscow, which does not contribute to lower prices. The indigenous population is crowded out by visitors. From Moscow 70km in total. The degradation of small towns near Moscow began.
  • Sanyht
    Sanyht 27 May 2013 10: 25
    +1
    base salaries and fabulous prices for EVERYTHING: all this destroyed not one village, but thousands ... a mumbler (from a good life) - will kill the population ... or maybe life will change for the better?
  • Begemot
    Begemot 27 May 2013 10: 31
    11
    I can give an example from life. In 1989, I bought a house in a large village in which there was a very powerful collective farm. 70 thousand hectares of sown area, 3500 head of cattle, 5000 sheep, 4500 pigs, 600 horses, equipped farms, feed shops, a huge fleet of agricultural machinery, MTS, a mechanical workshop, a forge, its own base of oil products, gas stations, grain storage facilities, equipment for grain processing, a boat tugboat, 2 pantone (15X10 m) for transporting equipment to flood meadows for harvesting hay, silos in two football fields, a mobile dining room, a team of fishermen, a smokehouse, etc., etc. All this was, I saw everything with my own eyes. Now there is a small farm on 200 head of cattle owned by a large agricultural holding, a dozen small users of land (on 10-20 ha) and that's it! All equipment was disassembled, cut and handed over for scrap. EVERYTHING!! In the agricultural holding, only 15-20 people work in the season, the rest live as they can. Pensioners are considered oligarchs. Almost everyone has forgotten how to work. Young people, who did not drink too much and did not disappear, hunted by poaching, worked on shifts and on construction sites of summer houses. Almost no one wants to work on earth. There are several farmers, but they cannot escape poverty and credit. The capitalization of our agriculture is practically = 0. Large business is not in a hurry to invest in agricultural products - profitability is not the same and risks are unmanageable, and a small producer cannot grow to a large one. As an experiment, I invested approximately 1,5 million in a small agricultural project more than a year ago, not a penny has returned yet, just some expenses, and I don’t wait until the population is growing - there will be no income, but the prospect is not the most profitable, the term payback period (estimated) - 12 years. Which investor would like such prospects? Locals consider me crazy.
    1. vyatom
      vyatom 27 May 2013 12: 29
      +1
      Quote: Begemot
      As an experiment, I invested about 1,5 million in a small agricultural project more than a year ago, not a penny has returned yet, some expenses, and I don’t wait for the population to grow - there will be no income, but the prospect is not the most profitable , payback period (estimated) - 12 years. Which investor would like such prospects? The locals think me crazy

      Respect to you and respect. Health, patience and success in your hard business.
  • Mhpv
    Mhpv 27 May 2013 10: 41
    +3
    [quote = Kolya] And fill in the missing amount in the budget with income from property tax accrued depending on the value of the property. [quote]
    This nonsense is completely respected. Many people own inherited real estate, but this does not mean that they are as rich as those who bought expensive housing.
    [quote] Let Moscow pay for its infrastructure and not the village of Mazurka. [/ quote]
    As much as you would like, but Moscow itself pays for its infrastructure, because you understand this is a big financial hub, few people even bring their companies to the Moscow region. That's because Moscow banks and troglodytes-businessmen bought land and don’t invest in its development is another question.
    I live in a Moscow region in a village where at the beginning of the 2000x there was a state farm one of the largest in the MO (30000 were handed over vegetables, so don’t think that everyone fed Moscow). My father-in-law was the last year of the state farm, the state farm had debts in my opinion on 4mln (I don’t remember exactly) and assets for 12mln rubles. Someone from Moscow launched bankruptcy proceedings, so my father-in-law (given his disability) spent the year trying to defend the state farm, but it’s all useless. They appointed a bankruptcy trustee and went sabbat. even flood lands in the floodplain of the Moscow River (now the owners are tormented there in the spring my mother doesn’t cry) Imagine how many residents were rushing to work in Moscow, and summer residents from it come to us and now everything that costs all week in Moscow is on the weekends in Moscow Region.
  • Vrungel78
    Vrungel78 27 May 2013 10: 48
    +1
    I agree with your position. And from myself I’ll add that in our time it should be an honor to engage in agriculture. If only officials understood this.
  • Belarys
    Belarys 27 May 2013 10: 54
    +1
    From Belarus. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yNRTqsVZ7o
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 27 May 2013 11: 04
      +1
      Greetings! How does Belarus live there? My youth is Belarus ...
  • capitosha1rang
    capitosha1rang 27 May 2013 10: 58
    +2
    The Russian village has a future, but this is not the future of the Russian village.
    Who headed the Ministry of Agriculture and "rules" it now is not the most important thing.
    Billions of rubles, without which the Russian village died, were spent (and continue to be spent) on bridges and roads leading to nowhere.
    The bridge to Russky Island, a new fashionable (and golden!) Theme is the bridge to Sakhalin Island.
    Where, in what other country is this possible? I am not even talking about "kickbacks" and "cuts", but (I can’t dare to call them gentlemen) officials / mercenaries, with a simple pencil in hand, figure out how much government money you are going to threaten (and this is ours, comrade, money, of those that are not enough for education, health care, science and culture) for phantom projects?
    The impression is that the inhabitants of high Moscow offices do not have the slightest idea - where and how, where the food comes from, they do not want to understand that shops and restaurants are the last link in the food chain.
    I don’t want to consider a fantastic option for the survival of the Russian village, considering that the option is realistic here: http://www.proza.ru/2013/05/19/1169
  • Mhpv
    Mhpv 27 May 2013 11: 12
    +3
    Farmer and farming will never feed the country and provide the country with income from agriculture as collective farms and state farms. The farm grows what it is profitable to sell and as much as it needs, so Stalin conducted collectivization.
    “During collectivization, the countryside made a powerful leap forward, towards a modern organization of production and labor, a civilized culture and life. But expecting some miraculous results, eliminating the lag behind the West in these shortest terms is simply unrealistic. Only in the early 50s. For the first time, the state had the opportunity to direct large forces and funds to the development of agriculture. Before that, the city largely lived at the expense of the countryside, and there was no other way out, except in the armchair illusions of "prominent historians" [58].

    Yes, the village paid a heavy tribute to industrialization for it, but industrialization began to quickly pay for borrowed money. Despite all the difficulties, industrialization has led to a sharp increase in the technical armament of agriculture. Already before the war, there had been significant advances in the mechanization of agriculture, mainly in the grain industry. "
    "In 1938-1941, without exception, all foreign authors [66] note a sharp increase in the standard of living of peasants. The improvement in the life of peasants in comparison with the times of the NEP consisted not only in improving nutrition, but also in increasing the consumption of industrial goods, but especially in improving social From 1927 to 1937, the number of beds in rural hospitals increased 3 times, and the number of rural doctors - 2,5 times [67]. "
    So the salvation of the village in the revival of collective farms and state farms, and not farming, the state plan and state support of the agricultural producer.
    Full article here: http: //stalinism.ru/kollektivizatsiya/stalin-i-kollektivizatsiya.html
  • Forest
    Forest 27 May 2013 11: 32
    0
    In our region (32) the situation has been improving recently. "Miratorg" is building both farms and processing plants.
  • romuchik
    romuchik 27 May 2013 11: 36
    +1
    Funny liberal liberals ruined our planned agriculture, and the Merikos have the most planned of all planned agriculture and the most powerful state support.
  • Petrol
    Petrol 27 May 2013 11: 43
    +2
    There will be a future in the Russian village if ... To restore the communal-clan structure of the mk "statehood" is not a system for the Slovenes (I was not mistaken for the Slovenians), it is for the Arabs, Persians and other Semitic tribes (as ASPushkin said "people from Shamakhan lands") while there will be no future ...
  • Mhpv
    Mhpv 27 May 2013 11: 50
    0
    Quote: atalef
    The village now drinks soundly and survives with difficulty.

    There is some truth in your words, but they drink mainly in those villages, which are hard to name even as a village, where old people live their lives and more capable young people left it, and here they are drunk by those who cannot realize themselves in any way, but again but if there is at least some kind of economy, then there is no time for a person to drink.
  • Stas
    Stas 27 May 2013 12: 20
    +2
    The authorities specifically drove people out of villages and villages, creating impossible conditions for life. Depriving them of their work, the opportunity to sell their products for normal money, elementary medicine and schools, the opportunity to get to another settlement with relatives or on business (there are no roads, only directions). Many more screamers forget or don’t know that in many regions of our country (northern regions, Siberia, the Far East, etc.) you can’t live in agriculture - it’s not chernozem (which fell into the ground, it sprouted) !!! It is much more difficult to survive there, but not to live.
    Himself from Primorye from the village. State farm safely collapsed, Malomalsky enterprises closed. Agricultural products are often washed away by typhoons. And people eat the earth or something ??? What shisha to dress for, feed children, teach, treat, raise ??? For loans? (In China, by the way, loans for agricultural producers are interest-free negative, that is, they took 10000 for production, and returned 9000 to the state).
    Therefore, most people leave the village not because of laziness, but to feed themselves and their families !!!
    1. leon-iv
      leon-iv 27 May 2013 12: 33
      0
      In China, by the way, interest-free negative loans for agricultural producers, that is, took 10000 for production, and returned 9000 to the state

      BUT meanwhile, 7 thousand villages in China annually disappear from state maps.
  • leon-iv
    leon-iv 27 May 2013 12: 33
    +3
    In the form that we remember, the village will never be there.
    BUT the most interesting thing with the development of information technology is we are seeing a process of deurbanization in the form of summer residents.
    The future belongs to large full-cycle agricultural holdings which includes
    1 Production
    2 Primary processing
    3 Deep processing
    4 Logistics
    5 Sales
    Modern technology devalues ​​manual labor and we will not see such large villages soon.
    1. Phantom Revolution
      Phantom Revolution 27 May 2013 12: 39
      +1
      I agree, but not with everything. There will be country houses that are currently gaining demand, and thus will be of the type of their own household, for example, I know 6 people who no longer trust the products that are sold in stores, but grow and do everything themselves. And the trend, as I see it, is growing in my region.
  • Alexey Prikazchikov
    Alexey Prikazchikov 27 May 2013 12: 45
    -6
    Villages are atavism when they all die only a matter of time.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2013 21: 34
      +1
      Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
      Villages are atavism when they all die only a matter of time.

      Apparently you are a saint, as you do not need food laughing
  • fisherman
    fisherman 27 May 2013 13: 25
    0
    very much depends on local authorities ...

    among the list of priority tasks for the restoration of Russian villages, in my opinion, the highest priority task is to remove the layer of hitrovans-temporary-dealers ...

    in regions where governors have been eliminating at least single agricultural fairs in cities from summer to winter, it has become much easier for the largest and smallest producers ... it’s interesting to see how, on the one hand, you see a farmer surprised by the massive influx of buyers, and on the other hand, less dumbfounded by cheap prices of citizens :))
  • lexe
    lexe 27 May 2013 13: 34
    0
    They say Russia is unprofitable, and then what? the village is the homeland, from there all our roots. Agroholdings are dull-earth loves affection and not a conveyor. There will be no close connection with the land. Only 1 person in the holding will have an all-director. And then - in the evening from the holding to dancing to the city? -And who will be in the hay / earth?) )) Now, if on holidays in the city a farmer falls into a bar-restaurant) and orders a bubble 2 times more expensive than a large bank employee resting there is a thing) -we Russians are very susceptible to "weather". Or, for example, at a hockey match, Russian farmer in bast shoes from Gucci.) And why do the employees actually receive all sorts of money and the peasants do not? It’s not in agricultural holdings that means. I’m not saying what these agricultural holdings are going to feed us and why their salaries are high for food technologists.
  • Kostya pedestrian
    Kostya pedestrian 27 May 2013 13: 39
    +7
    Or maybe "the new is a well forgotten old", and the example of the Bolsheviks and collectivization, could serve to preserve the Russian countryside and its rich and unique culture?

    For example, the enlargement of several villages in an agro-town, as in Belarus, is our alternative to individual farming, with a specific tax scheme, and simplified privileges for loans for personal items and agricultural equipment.

    This approach also helps the development of the construction industry outside of big cities, and the development of municipal services to serve the population, as well as attracting young people who do not have their own housing in the big cities.
  • smershspy
    smershspy 27 May 2013 13: 42
    +5
    Lord! Just no need to interfere! Let everyone do their own thing: the military - serves, the villager - works on the ground .... etc. When everyone will do his own thing - there will be order! I have the honor!
    PS And then, as always, we have too many advisers !!!
  • Kostya pedestrian
    Kostya pedestrian 27 May 2013 13: 43
    +8
    No comments!

    drinks
    1. agrindler
      agrindler 5 June 2013 14: 56
      +2
      Well said! Exactly!