"Specially for gangsters" - Thompson submachine gun

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"Specially for gangsters" - Thompson submachine gun
"White Leg Warmers Columbo shoots Charlie Toothpick on Valentine's Day." A still from the cult film Some Like It Hot. I saw it in 1966, and that's when I first saw the Annihilator submachine gun (that's the name they came up with before it went on sale!), and it certainly made an impression!


"Our infantry guys in the trenches right now need a small machine gun that will fire 50 to 100 rounds a minute, light enough to drag along while crawling on its belly from trench to trench, and capable of single-handedly destroying an entire company. I need a small machine gun that can be held in the hands, fired from the hip, and reloaded in the dark."



D.T. Thompson, 1918. Memorandum for Rifle Designers weapons.



And, of course, that “cool mug” was also memorable... A typical gangster, right?

Weapon stories. What submachine gun is a must-have in any 1930s gangster movie? It's a no-brainer—everyone will answer correctly—of course, it's the Thompson submachine gun, which, like our Soviet PPSh, is undoubtedly one of the most famous and recognizable firearms. Although this weapon was originally intended for military use, it gained a rather infamous reputation during Prohibition in the United States due to its use by criminals. Gangsters themselves rarely used it in the 1920s and 30s, but every newspaper of the time reported on it, creating a reputation for it as a strictly "gangster weapon."

The popularity of this weapon was also fueled by television programs in the 1950s and 1960s. After all, it's fair to say that an entire generation of Americans grew up watching FBI agents (and "bad guys" with Thompson submachine guns) on TV every Saturday afternoon and thoroughly enjoying their spectacular shootouts. And today, we'll tell you about this weapon, in great detail.


With the stock removed, the Thompson, along with the shooter, could even fit into a cake! Still from the film "Some Like It Hot"


And here's a still from the equally memorable film "Bluff," starring the inimitable Adriano Celentano. The bandit Beldyuk threatens her friends who swindled her with a Thompson submachine gun, and with a 100-round magazine!
Auto-Ordnance Corporation

Well, ours will begin story The Auto-Ordnance Corporation, founded in 1916 by John Thompson to develop a new rifle for the military, began work on the new semiautomatic weapon, which Thompson called the "Auto-Rifle," in Cleveland, Ohio, with a small staff. War was raging in Europe, and the United States would soon enter the war. Thompson, naturally, was eager to develop his weapon, establish its production, and, he hoped, achieve its adoption as quickly as possible.


The scene is quite typical for US cities during the bootlegging era...


And this is a still from some Italian film. Here, the gangsters use not only the Chicago Piano, but also an MP18.

When Thompson began developing his rifle design, he began by searching for a suitable bolt. He then stumbled upon a principle discovered by John Blish, a US Navy officer who proposed that certain metals, when placed at a certain angle to each other, would alternately attract and repel each other under alternating high and low pressure. Thompson was intrigued by the idea and proposed using it in his rifle.


A still from a film from the final years of the USSR, "Déjà Vu," a 1989 Soviet-Polish co-production starring Jerzy Stuhr. He's holding a Thompson submachine gun, clearly of military design, with a barrel without fins...

Theodore Eickoff, Auto-Ordnance's chief engineer, immediately began experimenting and discovered that the Blish principle didn't work with .30-06 caliber cartridges, but that the .45 ACP pistol cartridge did work with the Blish action. After Eickoff reported this, Thompson proposed creating a .45-caliber light machine gun with a Blish action. Soon, the company began working on a new weapon, which Thompson himself called a "trench broom"—a weapon for sweeping the enemy out of trenches. Ironically, this is precisely what the Germans had in mind when they developed their MP-18 submachine gun.


And this is Tommy Farichetti (Armen Dzhigarkhanyan). He's about to finish off union boss Jack Rafferty (Oleg Borisov) with a Thompson submachine gun. A still from the Soviet three-part television film "Rafferty," produced at Lenfilm in 1980 by director Semyon Aranovich, based on the novel of the same name by American writer Lionel White (1905-1985).

Thus, the Auto-Ordnance Corporation shifted its focus from developing automatic rifles to creating .45-caliber automatic weapons. The result was the Thompson submachine gun, named after its creator, John Thompson. Several prototypes and experimental models were initially created, and then a production model was developed—the Model 1921 submachine gun. Thompson's initial order for 15,000 pistols, placed with Colt's Patent Firearms Manufacturing Company, was fulfilled in just 16 months.


Irish soldier Daniel Hogan, circa 1921, with a Thompson submachine gun with a 100-round magazine.


The arrest of George Kelly Barnes, better known as "Machine Gun Kelly," in 1933. Police agents surround him with Thompson submachine guns.

John T. Thompson


John Taliaferro Thompson was born in Newport, Kentucky, on December 31, 1860. He spent most of his military career in the U.S. Ordnance Department, working at the Springfield and Rock Island Arsenals. Thompson played a key role in the adoption of the .45 ACP cartridge by the U.S. Army and made significant contributions to the modernization of U.S. Army weapons. In 1914, he retired with the rank of colonel. He then took a position as a consulting engineer at Remington Arms. During his time there, John Thompson gained valuable experience in small arms manufacturing.


A well-known photo: Annihilator creator John Taliaferro Thompson

John Thompson was recalled to active military service in 1917, when the United States entered World War I. This time, he was appointed director of arsenals and rose to the rank of brigadier general. He was discharged from active military service in 1918, after the end of World War I. After his discharge from the army, he devoted himself entirely to working for the Auto-Ordnance Corporation. Although John Thompson was not the sole inventor of the famous submachine gun named after him, the weapon would not have come into being without him and his ideas.


The right side of Colt's Thompson pistols bears the name of the Auto-Ordnance Corporation, the New York address, and the dates of the patents.

Theodore H. Eickoff


After graduating from Purdue University in 1908, Theodore Eickoff took a job as an electrical and mechanical draftsman with the U.S. Ordnance Department. While in the Ordnance Department's Small Arms Division, Eickoff met John Thompson and worked with him studying the characteristics of foreign rifles. Shortly after leaving the Ordnance Department, John Thompson invited him to become chief engineer at the newly formed Auto Ordnance Corporation. During World War II, Mr. Eickoff served as an ordnance officer with the Cleveland Army. artillery district.


Model 1921 with 100-round magazine


The same model without a magazine from the Army Museum, Stockholm.


Model 1928 with 50-round magazine, Army Museum, Stockholm

Oscar Payne


Oscar W. Payne was a talented young man. Before joining Auto-Ordnance, he worked for a patent drafting and patent research firm. The firm represented many firearms companies. John Thompson, always on the lookout for talented individuals, recognized Oscar Payne's abilities. When Payne left the patent firm, Thompson hired him as an assistant to Theodore Eickoff, who in turn tasked Payne with developing a .45-caliber submachine gun. Payne is also credited with developing the box magazine, as well as the "L" and "C" drum magazines. Payne's design talent must be recognized: the final version of the Thompson pistol and its magazines was virtually flawless. These designs lasted for many years without significant changes. From 1917 to 1921, he worked at a factory in Cleveland, Ohio.


Advertisement for Thompson as a weapon against bandits!

George E. Goll


George E. Goll was a machinist and helped develop the .45-caliber submachine gun. When the Thompson submachine gun went on sale, Goll traveled the world, demonstrating it to kings, presidents, and army generals. After Eickoff left Auto-Ordnance, Goll became its chief engineer. Goll later became a civilian quality control inspector at Auto-Ordnance Corporation and the Savage Arms factory. His initials, GEG, can be seen on virtually every Savage Thompson submachine gun produced for military use.

Marcellus Thompson


Marcellus Thompson was John Thompson's only son. Like his father and grandfather, Marcellus graduated from West Point. From 1906 to 1919, Marcellus served as an officer in the U.S. Army, after which he left to work for the Auto-Ordnance Corporation. He became vice president and general manager. After his father's retirement in 1928, Marcellus took over the company. Marcellus died shortly before his father, in October 1939, at the age of 56.


"Alive, smoker!" A U.S. Army Special Operations Center/John F. Kennedy School soldier, attending the Special Forces Weapons Sergeant Course, fires an M1A1 Thompson submachine gun during marksmanship training at Fort Bragg, North Carolina, May 12, 2020.

Colt's Patent Fire Arms Manufacturing Company


An agreement between Auto-Ordnance and Colt's Patent Fire Arms Manufacturing Company, concluded in 1921, also played a significant role in the fate of this submachine gun. This company was subcontracted to produce 15000 submachine guns, as Auto-Ordnance did not have its own production facilities.
All 15,000 Thompson submachine guns originally produced by Colt were branded Model 1921. Auto-Ordnance developed several models based on these pistols, which were sold under various names.

The first batch of Thompson pistols was manufactured to the extremely high quality standards of the time. The Model 1921 featured a high-quality, high-gloss blue finish, complemented by exquisite walnut trim on the stock and pistol grips. Remington Arms was tasked with manufacturing the stocks and some other components. The Lyman Gun Sight Company of Connecticut produced the sights. The rear sight was stepped, and many considered it too complex for such a weapon. The barrel had radial cooling fins and a milled ring front sight. Initially, there was no compensator on the barrel. The action, fire mode selector, and safety levers were finely knurled. Colt-manufactured Thompson submachine guns were inspected by Chief Inspector of Auto-Ordnance John H. Barrett, and many have his initials JHB engraved on the right side of the receiver.

The Model 1921 cost $200 with a single 20-round Type XX box magazine. The first production Thompson, serial number 41, rolled off the assembly line in March 1921. By then, World War I had already ended, and demand for weapons had plummeted. The price was also high, more expensive than many cars, so sales were extremely slow. It took almost twenty years to sell all 15,000 units produced at the start of production.

In 1923, a "new" military model—the Model 1923—was introduced. Its development undoubtedly stemmed from the success of the Browning Automatic Rifle, better known as the BAR, during World War I. The Model 1923 was a standard 1921 Thompson with a longer barrel and a bipod. To increase the effective range, a new, specialized .45-caliber cartridge, known as the Remington-Thompson, was developed. It chambered a 250-grain bullet in a longer, 0,998-inch case. The muzzle velocity of the bullet was 1450 feet per second. The concept of the Thompson military models proved unsuccessful, and after only a few Model 1923s were produced, it was abandoned.

The Model 1921AC, introduced in 1926, was a standard Model 1921 with a Katz compensator on the muzzle. Developed by Colonel Richard Cutts and manufactured by the Lyman Gun Sight Company, the compensator was claimed to significantly reduce muzzle rise and was available for $25. The Thompson submachine gun without the additional compensator was designated the 1921A. The receiver markings remained unchanged. The designations 1921A and 1921AC were used only in Auto-Ordnance promotional literature. In 1932, a new compensator was introduced, which was longer and larger in diameter. The diamond-shaped Cutts logo and the patent date were imprinted on the upper front edge of the new compensator.

The Model 1927 semiautomatic carbine is one of the rarest variants of the early Thompson submachine guns. The Model 1927 was based on the existing Model 1921 models. The unique feature of the Model 1927 was its semiautomatic action. This was done to offer a Thompson submachine gun model to law enforcement agencies and correctional facilities that simply did not want to arm their officers with a submachine gun.

The conversion involved redesigning several internal components. The markings indicating automatic fire were carefully milled out of the receiver and replaced with a different one. The Model 1927 is still considered a firearm registrable in the National Firearms Registry due to its short barrel and submachine gun-like receiver. Model 1927 Thompsons are rarely found in their original semiautomatic configuration. Many were converted at some point to fire in automatic mode. The Model 1927 was produced both with and without the Katz compensator.

The most common Thompson model produced by Colt was the 1928 Navy Model. fleet, also known by collectors as the "Thompson with Additional Markings," the "28 Navy," or the "28N." The Navy Model 1928, like others, was based on the Model 1921A. It was developed at the request of the Marine Corps, which wanted to reduce the rate of fire from 800 to approximately 600 rounds per minute. This was accomplished by redesigning the bolt, adding a steel block. This increased the weight by 110 grams, and, together with a modified recoil spring and buffer mechanism, reduced the rate of fire to an acceptable level. The firing pin spring was also changed and became slightly shorter than in the Model 1921.

All 1928 models produced for the Navy had an 8 superseded by the 1 (in the 1921 designation) to change the designation to 1928. The Navy's endorsement proved a highly effective marketing ploy, and the "1928 Navy" ultimately became the most popular modification of the early Thompson. In correspondence and documents, the military often referred to the 1928 model as the "slowed-down" model. The first "slowed-down" Thompson was successfully tested in January 1927.


Marine Model


"Marine Model" of 1928

The U.S. Marine Corps also showed interest in the Thompson submachine gun, purchasing a total of 671 units between 1926 and 1928. Some of the first submachine guns issued to the Marines were the rapid-fire Model 1921 configuration. Many were later converted to the slower Model 1928 configuration at a cost of $8,50 each.


A disassembled Thompson. In the center is the H-shaped bolt block, which ensures the bolt opens slowly when firing. The bolt clearly shows the inclined grooves along which it moved up and down.

J. Russell Maguire


Russell Maguire, a shrewd businessman, believed that after Japan's invasion of China in 1937 and the events unfolding in Germany, global demand for small arms would soar. Through some financial maneuvering, Maguire was able to acquire a controlling interest in the Auto-Ordnance Corporation. In 1939, he entered into an agreement with Savage Arms to resume production of the Thompson submachine gun, and later opened a factory in Bridgeport, Connecticut, to meet wartime demand.

Although the Thompson submachine gun's design was developed 20 years earlier, Russell Maguire ultimately earned millions of dollars from military contracts and the production of the Thompson submachine gun during World War II. Neither John Thompson nor his son Marcellus, who so believed in their invention, lived to see it widely adopted by the British and American armies.


Kinematic diagram of the Thompson submachine gun's automatic operation

Mechanism operation


After the trigger was pulled, the spring pushed the bolt handle forward, which, through a kinematic linkage provided by an H-shaped bronze insert, pushed the bolt forward. The cylindrical portion of the bolt picked up the top cartridge from the magazine and fed it into the chamber, while the bolt handle pushed the insert and moved it down the inclined grooves of the receiver. As soon as the bolt reached its forwardmost position, the hammer struck the receiver and pushed the firing pin forward, causing the primer to strike.

When a shot is fired, gases press on the bullet and the base of the cartridge case, transmitting momentum to the bolt through its cylindrical section. The bolt, moving rearward, pressed on the insert, causing its lugs to slide along the inclined grooves of the receiver and up the side grooves of the bolt. As the moving parts moved rearward, the insert gained additional acceleration relative to the bolt, and the bolt stem accelerated relative to the bolt, slowing its full opening until the pressure in the barrel dropped to a safe level. When the insert's side lugs reached the horizontal section of the receiver grooves, the bolt moved rearward, ejecting the spent cartridge from the receiver, and then struck a rubber buffer located inside the recoil spring guide rod.

Models produced during the war years used a simple blowback action. The submachine gun with this type of action was designated the M1A1. Magazines for the Thompson submachine gun were fed with .45 ACP rounds. A 20-round box magazine weighed 177 g, a 50-round drum magazine weighed 1180 g, and a 100-round magazine weighed 1715 g. A 30-round magazine was also used. The cartridge weighed 21 g (including the bullet, which weighed 19,96 g), and the muzzle velocity was 280 m/s. Cartridges with a 14,92 g bullet and a muzzle velocity of 390 m/s were also offered. However, the cartridge weight and the steep trajectory of the bullet were serious drawbacks of this type of weapon.

Thompson in the USSR



A Red Army soldier with a Thompson submachine gun


Red Navy sailors…

Interestingly, the USSR became familiar with this submachine gun very early, long before the Great Patriotic War. The first examples were purchased between 1924 and 1927 and were used in Adjara, Azerbaijan, Uzbekistan, and Turkmenistan, as can be found in the memoirs of L. P. Vasilevsky ("Chekist Tales," 1978) and R. E. Lastochkin ("Footprints in the Hot Sand," 1967). Moreover, the first batch of M1921 Thompson submachine guns arrived in the USSR via Mexico in 1924 and were adopted by the OGPU and border guards as "Thompson light machine guns," and were used against Basmachi gangs.

During the Great Patriotic War, the Thompson submachine gun became a well-known weapon in our country. The fact is, all American equipment sent to us under Lend-Lease was equipped with them. The Willys trucks, which were shipped to us in huge numbers, the Dodge and Studebaker trucks, and even motorcycles all carried one or two of these submachine guns. But there were also deliveries of submachine guns and ammunition for them, totaling 137,000 Thompson submachine guns and 306 million rounds of ammunition (figures cited by Yu. Veremeyev in his work "Lend-Lease"), which goes somewhat beyond the scope of equipment.


"Barbudos" Fidel Castro and Camilo Cienfuegos in Havana

And here's another thing: just visit any "diggers" website and find the section dedicated to the Thompson submachine gun, and the entire geography of that war's battles is revealed. It turns out that Thompson submachine guns and spent cartridges from them have been found everywhere: in the Murmansk, Leningrad, Pskov, and Voronezh regions, Crimea, and Kuban. They're especially numerous in places where the heaviest fighting took place in 1941-1942: Tikhvin, Luga, Rzhev, and Korotoyak. Here, cartridges and even ammunition are found everywhere.
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  1. +2
    3 July 2026 04: 07
    To complete the picture, we can add computer games where Thompson appears. For example, the trilogy Mafia
    1. +4
      3 July 2026 05: 39
      The best stills from "The Mask"
      1. +2
        3 July 2026 12: 20
        Quote: Sergey Zhikharev
        The best stills from "The Mask"

        Well, judging by the films mentioned in the article, the author hasn't even seen anything like Musk, or even Indiana Jones or King Solomon's Mines. The Tommy Gun is prominently featured in those films, too...
        1. Alf
          +6
          3 July 2026 19: 03
          Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
          They also feature the tommy gun prominently...

          Not just them. There's a masterpiece moment in The Mummy 3. Brendan Fraser picks up a Thompson submachine gun and says, "Here's a World War III weapon." And his son takes a PPS-43 out of the case and protests, "No, THIS is a World War III weapon."
    2. 0
      3 July 2026 05: 54
      Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
      computer games

      This is what doesn't exist and never will. I don't like them. I've never opened a single one and never played them...
    3. +1
      3 July 2026 14: 46
      Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
      Can you add computer games where Thompson is present?
      Fallout 4 screwed up the magazines (and if only they didn't screw up the weapons). The picture shows a "machine" supposedly with a 50-round magazine.
    4. Alf
      +3
      3 July 2026 19: 11
      Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
      To complete the picture, we can add computer games where Thompson appears. For example, the trilogy Mafia

      The legendary Call of Duty isn't even worth mentioning.
      1. 0
        4 July 2026 02: 58
        Quote: Alf
        The legendary Call of Duty isn't even worth mentioning.

        Same as about Medal of Honor good
  2. +4
    3 July 2026 04: 47
    It's well known that PPSh drum magazines were customized for each specific model. But what about standardizing similar magazines for the Thompson? Loading PPSh magazines with rounds was also inconvenient. How was the 100-50-round drum loaded for the Thompson?
    1. +5
      3 July 2026 05: 49
      Quote: andrewkor
      How was the 100-50 round drum loaded in Thompson?

      I promise to look for information "there"....
    2. +4
      3 July 2026 23: 44
      Thompson's magazines, unless dented or worn, fit any M1921/1928 submachine gun. Manufacturing quality was very high, and tolerances were tight. This is due to the fact that production volumes before WWII were very small (tens of thousands, not millions, as in the Soviet Union during WWII).
      Plus another way of attaching the magazine to the weapon.
      The M1921/1928 had two sets of magazine wells, and the magazines themselves had two different types of guides. The 20-round (called "Type XX" in the US) and 30-round ("Type XXX") box-type magazines were inserted into vertical slots in the receiver from below.
      And drum cartridges for 50 ("Type L") and 100 ("Type C") are placed in the horizontal slots of the receiver on the side.
      The generous metal thickness and the dimensions of the grooves and guides ensured minimal magazine play. When the required tolerances were maintained during civilian production, this ensured virtually complete compatibility of any magazine with any submachine gun.
      When the war began and the M1/M1A1 was adopted, the L and C magazine rails were abandoned, leaving only the vertical 20 and 30 round magazine rails.
      The PPD/PPSh have a different principle of connecting the magazine to the weapon, plus greater tolerances for mass production of weapons and magazines in war conditions.
      If you're interested, I can later write briefly about the history and features of drum magazines for the PPD and PPSh.
      Regarding loading drum magazines for the Thompson - as with any drum magazine, it is a bit slow.
      There are two options - standard ("meditative") and "combat-style".
      First, as with the PPD/PPSh/Suomi, the front wall of the magazine is removed (with the Thompson, the magazine spring cocking key is also removed beforehand). The magazine is then placed on a flat surface on the bottom wall, and the cartridges are carefully loaded into the slots. Then the front wall of the magazine and the spring cocking key are installed. The magazine spring is cocked using the key, which is then turned.
      It should be noted that the Thompson is a little more convenient to insert cartridges, since, unlike the PPD/PPSh/Suomi, the cartridges must be inserted not into a solid snail-shaped groove, but into sectors inside the feeder rotor, like in the drum magazine for the RPK machine gun.
      If you're interested in seeing it visually, there's the World of Guns app, which includes the Thompson (though the magazine doesn't have an internal spring), the PPD, the PPSh, and the Suomi.
      The second method is "combat style", when there is no way to disassemble the magazine.
      Then the cartridges are pushed one by one into the magazine well. However, with the PPD/PPSh, this required overcoming the resistance of the spring (which, with the standard loading, was cocked separately), whereas with the Thompson, this can be facilitated by slowly turning the magazine spring key.
      1. +1
        4 July 2026 05: 02
        Very informative and clear. Thank you.
  3. + 11
    3 July 2026 05: 19
    Thanks Vyacheslav Olegovich!
    My grandfather, who served in the NKVD internal troops from 1938 to 1953, recalled the "American Tom" pistol. He noted that "ours" (PPSh, PPD) shot further, were lighter, and simpler.
    An American can't hit a two-inch board from a hundred meters away.
    According to him, all NKVD tampons were transferred to the people's militia divisions in 41.
    Thanks again for the article, have a nice day everyone!
    1. +6
      3 July 2026 05: 52
      Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
      Thanks again for the article, have a nice day everyone!

      Good morning, Vladislav! Interesting comment! A+ for you. Tanker Chibisov also recalls this very same thing, about how he fired a Thompson submachine gun at a German helmet. Every weapon had its niche. Those gangsters didn't need to shoot from 100 meters away – ha-ha!
    2. +4
      3 July 2026 11: 49
      The Tommy Gun might not have penetrated the boards from 200 meters, but it could have stopped them with fewer bullets hitting the enemy's body.
    3. Alf
      +2
      3 July 2026 19: 08
      Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
      All NKVD tampons were transferred to the people's militia divisions in 41.

      We have several photos of the Main Character.
  4. +8
    3 July 2026 06: 27
    In the US, it gained quite a bad reputation due to its use by criminals. Gangsters themselves rarely used it in the 1920s and 1930s, but it was reported in all the newspapers of the time, creating a reputation for it as a purely "gangster weapon."

    Interestingly, personal protective equipment developed in the criminal environment.
    Pictured: gangster Francesco Santorelli wearing a bulletproof vest made of sheet steel.
    Police are conducting a ballistic analysis of the bulletproof vest seized from the gangsters.
    1. Alf
      +2
      4 July 2026 14: 31
      Quote: Lynx2000
      Interestingly, personal protective equipment developed in the criminal environment.

      Well, what did you expect? Business is risky, there are many interested parties, and if you want to live, you won't stretch yourself so thin.
  5. +7
    3 July 2026 07: 04
    But there were also simple deliveries of machine guns and cartridges for them in the amount of 137,000 Thompson submachine guns and 306 million pieces of cartridges for them (the figures are given by Yu. Veremeev in his work “Lend-Lease”), which somewhat go beyond the scope of equipment completion.
    Considering that 52 thousand Willys vehicles alone were delivered, the indicated figures are quite within the scope of the equipment configuration.
    Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
    1. +5
      3 July 2026 09: 55
      ,,, they brought them there without jeeps hi
      1. +4
        3 July 2026 10: 17
        "The main deliveries were in 42 and 43. So why are they listed in the English document? Deliveries from England were probably made in early 42."
        1. +4
          3 July 2026 10: 39
          Quote: bubalik
          And that's why they pass the document in English?

          What's surprising? Chibisov himself wrote that they were told the Matilda tank's armor... was our design, but... we didn't give the British its full composition, so ours is 75mm, and theirs is 78mm... and that the machine guns on the German (Czech) tanks were... a British supply, which was used by both ours and yours... And only after the war did he learn that this was licensed production of Czech machine guns in England and Germany.
          1. +6
            3 July 2026 11: 59
            "Word of mouth radio".
            And now there are "smart guys" proving that the PPD-34, etc. are a "copy" of the Suomi PP.
            1. +2
              3 July 2026 14: 03
              Quote: hohol95
              "Word of mouth radio".

              I don't even know what it is—word of mouth, straw, cowardly... it seems like people read the internet and... don't understand what they read or immediately forget it. But they remember what their neighbor, Aunt Dina, said!
              1. +3
                3 July 2026 14: 18
                It is now.
                And in the 20s/30s/40s there was no Internet...
                This is how various fables and myths were created specifically for the purposes of propaganda or justification of political/military failures.
                1. +2
                  3 July 2026 15: 21
                  Quote: hohol95
                  This is how various fables and myths were created specifically for the purposes of propaganda or justification of political/military failures.

                  Exactly!
        2. +3
          3 July 2026 16: 32
          Quote: bubalik
          That's why the document says they're English. Supplies from England were probably made in early 42.

          Supply routes were mapped out. Initially, the brunt of the burden fell on England, as the United States, citing its neutrality, effectively avoided participating in the shipments.
          Britain supplied the USSR with 711 aircraft, 466 tanks, 330 tankettes, 82 cannons, and 320 anti-tank rifles. Britain promised to make up for the shortfall soon and compensate for it by sending 3000 Thompson submachine guns, radios, and mine-sweeping equipment in addition to its commitments.

          Britain generally made a widespread practice of supplying American weapons that had previously been supplied to it - the same P-40s of various models, which became Tomahawks and Kittyhawks in Britain.
        3. +2
          4 July 2026 19: 37
          bubalik (Sergey), respected sir, in 1941, 52 ships delivered 466 tanks (Matilda and Valentine) and 330 Universal transporters to the port of Arkhangelsk (including Molotovsk, which was one of the sections of the Arkhangelsk seaport in 1941). Some armored vehicles arrived via Iran, but I couldn't find any figures for 1941. Various sources indicate that the tanks carried one or two Thompson submachine guns and hand grenades for the crews. How they were used in 41-42, I don't know... In my native Severodvinsk (Molotovsk), the 13th separate ski brigade was formed in the fall of 1942 from residents of the Arkhangelsk and Vologda regions and the Komi Republic. On January 2, 14.01.1943, the brigade of the 2nd Shock Army of the Volkhov Front was deployed (from Workers' Settlement No. 8) into the gap between the 372nd and 18th Rifle Divisions. They advanced westward across the frozen swamp with the goal of cutting the Shlisselburg-Sinyavino road between Workers' Settlements No. 1 and 5, leaving a screen, and raiding the enemy rear on Mga. The fighting was fierce, the brigade suffered heavy losses, was withdrawn to Novaya Ladoga, and disbanded on March 1, 26.03.1943. When I tried to learn more about the brigade's history (it included 51 residents of Molotovsk), I discovered that Red Army ski units on different fronts had identical names. About the 58th ski battalion I found: https://www.permgaspi.ru/deyatelnost/izdaniya/permskie-vojskovye-chasti-krasnoj-armii-vo-vremya-velikoj-ootestvennoj-vojny/book-permskie-vojskovye-chasti-krasnoj-armii-vo-vremya-velikoj-ootestvennoj-vojny/58-j-otdelnyj-lyzhnyj-batalon.html
      2. +2
        3 July 2026 18: 50
        Manual for the Thompson Submachine Gun, Caliber .45 (11,43 mm) M1928A1
        The manual was compiled by engineer A. M. Parafeev based on instructions published by the US Department of War under Nos. FM 23-46 and SNL A-32.
        Published by the Technical Bureau of Amtorg.
        Head of the Bureau, engineer N. I. Melnikov.
  6. +7
    3 July 2026 08: 43
    About 3 years ago, TV showed that our guys had captured underground warehouses and there, among other things, were several thousand new Thompson submachine guns with cartridges, apparently from that War.
  7. +1
    3 July 2026 09: 51
    Thomson's machine gun is in GTA5.
  8. +4
    3 July 2026 10: 47
    What always struck me about the Tommy gun was its extremely odd ergonomics. With a powerful cartridge and no compensator, the stock is extremely low relative to the barrel, suggesting a significant tipping moment. And the upward ejection—getting a hot shell in your face or down your collar—isn't exactly a joy. But it's certainly a godsend for film.
    1. +7
      3 July 2026 11: 32
      With a powerful cartridge

      The Colt 1911 with the same cartridge has a fairly soft recoil, comparable to the PM (if you take cleaning into account, it’s even softer).
    2. +5
      3 July 2026 11: 42
      The Thomson's powerful recoil was somewhat offset by its comparatively heavy weight, and then by the presence of a muzzle compensator. But overall, it's still a pistol cartridge.
    3. +3
      3 July 2026 12: 08
      But this was, after all, the second decade of the 20th century! After the advent of machine guns, the idea of ​​first a light machine gun, and then a submachine gun, was simply in the air throughout industrialized countries.
      Ours was distinguished by the very simple and effective PPSh, and the not-so-simple PPS. All of them came in handy at the front, including the American tommy guns.
      And the brilliant and essentially unrivaled Kalashnikov - he was late for that war, but later broke all records, both in terms of durability of design, and in circulation, and in the number of enemies destroyed.
    4. +4
      3 July 2026 22: 55
      With an empty weight of about 5 kg (and with a magazine for 50, or even more so 100 rounds - under 7 kg) and the energy of the .45ACP cartridge, its recoil is felt approximately the same as the AK version for the .22lr cartridge produced by the GDR, that is, close to very insignificant.
      1. 0
        4 July 2026 17: 48
        I wasn't actually talking about the recoil... I was talking about the momentum. No matter how you look at it, the massive bolt swings significantly above the buttstock. It feels like the gun was designed for a "gangster stance"—the buttstock under the arm. Not for a proper shoulder rest...
        1. 0
          4 July 2026 22: 46
          Why don't you try shooting it? A number of shooting clubs have Thompsons converted to semiautomatic. And I think there's one like that in the basement of the M. T. Kalashnikov Museum in Izhevsk, too, although I'm not sure.
          The result will surprise you, although it is not very easy to hold in your hands due to its weight.
  9. +5
    3 July 2026 11: 51
    And then he came across a principle discovered by John Blish, a US Navy officer who suggested that some metals, if parts made from them are placed at a certain angle to each other, will, when alternating high and low pressure, attract, then repel.
    To be honest, I didn't understand the principle of attraction and repulsion of metals, nor how it was used in the shutter.
    1. +6
      3 July 2026 14: 08
      Quote: balabol
      I didn't understand the principle of attraction and repulsion of metals, nor how it was used in the shutter.

      But it didn't work at all. There was friction between the brass and the steel... But Blish figured that for some reason, some metals are attracted to each other, increasing friction, while others... "repel" each other. So they made a brass insert... But in reality, it all worked like a regular semi-automatic breechblock.
      1. +3
        3 July 2026 16: 07
        Well, your article has intrigued me. There's a certain effect in brass-steel pairings, a nonlinear relationship between frictional force and contact pressure. This is caused by several physical and mechanical factors under high pressure, including abrasive wear and/or plastic deformation of surfaces. At high pressures, localized welded contacts (cold welding) occur on rough surfaces, leading to a sharp increase in frictional force.
        The friction force increases exponentially when the critical pressure is exceeded (usually > 50–100 MPa for brass on steel).
        Plastic deformation
        Brass, as a soft alloy based on copper and zinc, deforms plastically under pressure, forming indentations that increase the actual contact area.
        "Sticking" effect: At pressures > 200 MPa, friction can double due to the formation of micro-roughnesses.
        Abrasive износ
        The hardness of the steel causes the brass to scuff, which increases the coefficient of friction as the pressure increases.
        But how this would work in a prison cell was unclear. The answer is simple: it doesn't.
        1. +3
          3 July 2026 16: 10
          Quote: balabol
          The answer is simple - no way.

          The answer is simple - no way.
  10. Owl
    +5
    3 July 2026 18: 46
    I held it in my hands. In September 1991, I was "working" with my platoon in Pavlovsky Posad at the warehouses, where they were displaying weapons that came with equipment supplied under Lend-Lease. All of this had just been transported to the Moscow District from a warehouse in Western Ukraine. The weapons were Thompson submachine guns with box magazines (they didn't come with disc magazines), along with the Tommy Hilfiger, Colt 1911 pistols, Browning Hi-Power pistols, some English revolver (from aircraft kits), a Sten submachine gun, and Lee-Enfield rifles. All of this had been stored during the Soviet era for the "special period."
  11. +5
    3 July 2026 22: 49
    Vyacheslav Olegovich, good evening!
    As a bore, I'll add my two cents in the comments to the article.
    First, let's look at the photo. Belle-Duke from "Bluff" isn't holding a Thompson, but an Italian small-caliber carbine, most likely a Pietta, disguised as a Thompson. This is evident from the shape of the buttstock and its mounting, the barrel shroud, and so on.
    In the photo with the gangsters from the Italian film, it's not the MP-18, but the MP-35 Bermann. It has the distinctive rifle-like cocking handle. And the magazine well is on the right, while on the MP-18 and MP-28 it's to the left of the barrel.
    Farther.
    "The cartridge weighed 21 g (including a bullet of 19,96 g), and had a muzzle velocity of 280 m/s. Cartridges with a bullet weighing 14,92 g and a muzzle velocity of 390 m/s were also offered."
    There must have been some errors somewhere. If you subtract 19.96 g from 21 g, you'll find that the cartridge case, primer, and propellant charge weigh only 1.04 g total.
    In reality, the standard .45 FMJ military bullet weighed just about 15 g, but the muzzle velocity was about 280 m/s, while a bullet weighing about 12 g gave 380-390 m/s.
    There are some other small things to add, but it’s better to do this in private correspondence.
    Once again, forgive the old man for being boring.
    1. +2
      4 July 2026 06: 46
      Quote: Ironal
      Once again, forgive the old man for being boring.

      On the contrary! Such specific comments are very valuable. I had no idea about the Pietta, I saw a "big magazine," so what could it be? MP-35, of course. But then again, when you write—at least when I write—I devote 80% of my attention to the text. I looked at the photo—it seems about right... But I lifted the entire paragraph about the weight from some American article in Ganz International. So I wouldn't have to think twice and make any mistakes in the numbers. It turned out the opposite! So THANK YOU and +
  12. 0
    4 July 2026 22: 55
    And this is a still from some Italian film. Here, the gangsters use not only the Chicago Piano, but also an MP18.

    No, it's a Bergmann MP-35. It just had a right-side magazine entry.
    For MP-18 - on the left.
    And the characteristic muzzle brake-compensator and magazine receiver with a large round hole.
  13. 0
    9 July 2026 12: 02
    The M1A1 performed brilliantly in Aliens.
  14. 0
    9 July 2026 17: 49
    The PPSh and Suomi load the cartridges in a spiral and wind a gramophone spring. This is quite inconvenient. The Thompson's cylinder is divided into separate compartments for each pack of cartridges, apparently. And it also has a mainspring. In my opinion, it's much faster to insert the entire pack into the compartment than to arrange the cartridges in a spiral...