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Boris Shmelev: What threatens Russia with the introduction of Chinese troops into Tajikistan

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Boris Shmelev: What threatens Russia with the introduction of Chinese troops into Tajikistan Since May 6, China has been deploying troops into Tajikistan. A part of the Gorno-Badashkhan Autonomous Region of this state is given to China for debts. In Dushanbe, they believe that it is uninhabitable. However, China refers to this territory differently, reasonably considering it important from a strategic point of view.


Boris Shmelyov, Head of the Center for Political Studies, Institute of Economics, Russian Academy of Sciences:

It is known that over the years of its independence, Tajikistan has given over one and a half thousand square kilometers of land to the Chinese.

I consider this case special in international relations. However, this event has a certain symbolic meaning: China is strengthening its position in the world. Slowly, but confidently, China is turning its economic power into political influence. I would call this a manifestation of a certain emerging trend. Tajikistan is a typical failed state, torn by inter-clan contradictions. Its economic situation is disastrous. The president has little room for maneuver. Therefore, he is forced to flirt with China, as he gives money (which can play an important role in his re-election in the new election).

China acts carefully, because it is not interested in straining relations with Russia, because we have big interests in Central Asia. However, the question arises: what will lead the troops?

The first signs of the manifestation of increased political influence in the world, China has demonstrated in its relations with Japan, by tough response to the disputed territory - Fr. Senkaku. So he showed that he is a powerful power, capable of making respect for their interests. And there will be more and more similar moments in foreign policy. Although in the materials of the XVIII Congress of the Communist Party of China there is not even a hint of aggression in foreign policy. The Chinese leadership declares that it is interested in the world.

How to respond to a similar situation in Russia? I think it should be taken as a fact and taken into account in the foreign policy strategy. If Russia does not play an important role in Central Asia and allocate significant funds to support its countries, then others, in particular China, will take care of this. And it is not excluded that then, over the years through 10 – 15, the West (if it deems it necessary to weaken the strengthening of China’s influence in the countries of Central Asia) will face China in Central Asia. But, I repeat, these are all scenarios, in case Russia does not offer resistance (which I doubt).

As for the fact of the sale of land for debt, I will say this: each country is sovereign, and therefore it may look for forms of debt repayment that are convenient for it. Yes, in this case, the choice of Dushanbe could weaken Russia's position in the region of Central Asia. But I hope this does not happen.
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  1. FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 26 May 2013 06: 22 New
    12
    China has territorial claims to ALL neighbors. Under Mao, they already attacked the neighbors, for the most part unsuccessfully. Now the tactics have changed, and all the neighbors of the Celestial Empire need to think carefully and take into account that the claims have remained, and the economic and military power has increased many times, like the Chinese population.
    1. Airman
      Airman 26 May 2013 12: 18 New
      15
      Quote: FC Skiff
      China has territorial claims to ALL neighbors. Under Mao, they already attacked the neighbors, for the most part unsuccessfully. Now the tactics have changed, and all the neighbors of the Celestial Empire need to think carefully and take into account that the claims have remained, and the economic and military power has increased many times, like the Chinese population.

      And the first concession to China was made by the EBN, who gave Damansky and the adjacent territories to the Chinese with a quiet glanders, I don’t remember exactly how many hundreds of square kilometers, while defending Damansky, how many of our soldiers were killed.
      1. astra
        astra 26 May 2013 13: 15 New
        +7
        A large number of horror stories about China are surprising) That is the Chinese threat to Russia, now Tajikistan, who is next in turn?))) It seems that they are trying to drive a wedge between Russia and China. It is clear that the conflict between Russia and China would be advantageous for the NATO people; they have experience in pitting. We need not be fooled by their attempts.
        1. lecturer
          lecturer 26 May 2013 14: 56 New
          +3
          It seems that they are trying to drive a wedge between Russia and China.


          YES, it is THAT, and only THERE is driving a wedge not only between countries, BUT and into OUR heads.
          We forgot to whom the official visit of our GDP was made. We did not even pay attention to the actions of our Most Holy Patriarch Kirill (these days) as a spiritual Messenger to China ... We have never even looked at Istroya the relationship of Tsarist Russia with China ... Please, postpone about. Damansky - believe me, this is NOT a story of the development of two Great Peoples!
          1. nerd.su
            nerd.su 27 May 2013 03: 57 New
            0
            Quote: morpod
            Please postpone about. Damansky - believe me, this is NOT a story of the development of two Great Peoples!

            And the suppression of a boxing rebellion - is it history or not? The Chinese have a good memory ...
        2. nerd.su
          nerd.su 27 May 2013 03: 55 New
          +1
          Quote: astra
          We need not be fooled by their attempts.

          It’s not necessary to be carried out, but it is necessary to put a tick. So do we really need Chinese investors, then will not we have to pay with our land?
        3. Airman
          Airman 27 May 2013 18: 17 New
          -1
          Quote: astra
          A large number of horror stories about China are surprising) That is the Chinese threat to Russia, now Tajikistan, who is next in turn?))) It seems that they are trying to drive a wedge between Russia and China. It is clear that the conflict between Russia and China would be advantageous for the NATO people; they have experience in pitting. We need not be fooled by their attempts.


          What horror stories? China’s war with the United States is impossible. China will not be able to land in the United States, too long distances. And China needs territories to resettle its 1,6 billion people. The nearest territories along with resources lie in the north.
          1. nerd.su
            nerd.su 27 May 2013 22: 19 New
            0
            Quote: Povshnik
            And China needs territories to resettle its 1,6 billion people. The nearest territories along with resources lie in the north.

            The nearest territories lie in the west of China itself. And from the north, you can get a radical reduction in the Chinese people, coupled with radioactive contamination.
      2. Phantom Revolution
        Phantom Revolution 26 May 2013 14: 43 New
        0
        Quote: Povshnik
        And the first concession to China was made by the EBN, who gave Damansky and the adjacent territories to the Chinese with a quiet glanders, I don’t remember exactly how many hundreds of square kilometers, while defending Damansky, how many of our soldiers were killed.

        He did the right thing, this territory removed the wedge between China and the Russian Federation. Or would you like the PRC now, instead of building up the sea component and butting with Japan and the USA, now butting with us? This territory helped distract China from us, because China has a land border with us in the Far East, to be honest, our land group is roughly deplorable.
      3. fox17
        fox17 26 May 2013 19: 08 New
        +3
        It is interesting who will donate their territory to China next. Although the Far East is already occupied by them.
        1. Phantom Revolution
          Phantom Revolution 27 May 2013 11: 44 New
          0
          Quote: fox17
          It is interesting who will donate their territory to China next. Although the Far East is already occupied by them.

          He who does not sacrifice will be taken by force. And about the Far East, there from Central Asia came no less than the Chinese. Who is to blame for the lack of work and living conditions?
  2. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 26 May 2013 06: 26 New
    17
    Soon, Tajikistan will have one Dushamba laughing But the Kittens are good fellows. We can take an example from them and instead of forgiving the debts take the land. it’s not all the time that we’ll land the land ourselves. By the way, how much the US owes us what This is me with an eye on Alaska and California winked
    1. Ruslan67
      Ruslan67 26 May 2013 06: 44 New
      +3
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Soon, Tajikistan will have one Dushamba

      Where did you get that left? Everything there is not so simple as it seems. I had a chance in the army to communicate with one Tajik who has real blood - so he built the rest of the Tajiks at a time and called them only beasts. By the way, a man from the real ones parted with tears crying
    2. Atrix
      Atrix 26 May 2013 11: 18 New
      +2
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      By the way, how much does the US owe us? This is me with an eye on Alaska and California

      Not so much, and a lot of 162.5 billion in March 2013. I think it will not pull in Alaska and California, if we take into account that the GDP of California is almost equal to the GDP of Russia laughing
      1. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 26 May 2013 11: 37 New
        -1
        Quote: Atrix
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        By the way, how much does the US owe us? This is me with an eye on Alaska and California

        Not so much, and a lot of 162.5 billion in March 2013. I think it will not pull in Alaska and California, if we take into account that the GDP of California is almost equal to the GDP of Russia laughing


        Who cares how much GDP is there? Interested in the cost of land, and then not market with buildings and infrastructure, but the real one, which is 10 times less ...
      2. Airman
        Airman 26 May 2013 12: 23 New
        -1
        [quote = Atrix] [/ quote]
        Not so much, and a lot of 162.5 billion in March 2013. I think it will not pull in Alaska and California, if we take into account that the GDP of California is almost equal to the GDP of Russia laughing[/ Quote]

        Is GDP Vladimir Putin? Joke.
    3. GELEZNII_KAPUT
      GELEZNII_KAPUT 26 May 2013 11: 20 New
      0
      We can better buy Crimea! hi
      1. shamil
        shamil 26 May 2013 11: 38 New
        11
        Come on? it is necessary to pick it up. Erase your comment!
        1. Orchestrarant
          Orchestrarant 26 May 2013 11: 41 New
          +3
          I support! He himself will go to us! laughing
          1. fox17
            fox17 26 May 2013 19: 11 New
            +1
            It may be, it can be. But something is hard to believe.
            1. shamil
              shamil 26 May 2013 21: 17 New
              -1
              you're Ukrainian?
      2. Nicotine 7
        Nicotine 7 26 May 2013 20: 02 New
        +1
        It is better to sell the Kremlin, or rather those who are in it. Wholesale or retail, anyway.
    4. nnz226
      nnz226 26 May 2013 13: 57 New
      -1
      I agree! If Square will not pay for gas - pick up Crimea for a start !!! And then "hammer" on a neighbor, because he will not be needed already. It’s only to keep watch that NATO doesn’t get in there, if they themselves boil pig farms in their livelihoods.
    5. Garrin
      Garrin 26 May 2013 14: 59 New
      +4
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Soon, Tajikistan will have one Dushamba

      and Moscow.
    6. karbofos
      karbofos 26 May 2013 15: 28 New
      0
      Yes, two big autonomies will not hurt us !!! lol
  3. waisson
    waisson 26 May 2013 06: 37 New
    17
    yes, it seems that we, in the eyes of the Central Asian community, are losing authority by forgiving the debenture of the land. China has squeezed a little pecker from Tajiks from us. And we are like a cash cow with our inactive CARE
  4. svp67
    svp67 26 May 2013 06: 41 New
    +7
    What threatens Russia with the entry of Chinese troops into Tajikistan

    The answer is obvious - trouble ....
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 26 May 2013 06: 45 New
      +2
      Quote: svp67
      The answer is obvious - trouble ....

      What is the trouble?
      1. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 26 May 2013 06: 54 New
        15
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        What is the trouble?

        Drug traffickers will be shot and gold youth will remain without buzz crying wassat
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 26 May 2013 07: 01 New
          +8
          Quote: Ruslan67
          Drug traffickers will be shot and gold youth will remain without buzz

          Yeah that's a problem soon afghanistan dealer, oh leader will demand the withdrawal of the Chinese army laughing By the economy of Afghanistan, you understand.
      2. svp67
        svp67 26 May 2013 07: 24 New
        +4
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        What is the trouble?
        In the appearance of the "use case".
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 26 May 2013 08: 06 New
          +3
          Quote: svp67
          In the appearance of the "use case".

          Do not want to lose land, do not borrow money from China, that’s the whole precedent hi
          1. svp67
            svp67 26 May 2013 08: 11 New
            +2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Do not want to lose land, do not borrow money from China, that’s the whole precedent

            I think that the presence of a strong and combat-ready army is a more weighty argument, from such precedents ... since there are a lot of reasons to find, and not only monetary ...
  5. Enot-poloskun
    Enot-poloskun 26 May 2013 07: 09 New
    +1
    I believe that the precedent with Tajikistan transferring territories to China for debt is dangerous.

    As if China didn’t demand anything for our debts ...

    If I am not mistaken, the agreement on the sale of oil to China was tied to an advance payment in the form of a loan. A loan must be given.
    1. Ruslan67
      Ruslan67 26 May 2013 07: 23 New
      +4
      How would we have them CER and Port Arthur did not demand back am
      1. svp67
        svp67 26 May 2013 08: 47 New
        +1
        Quote: Ruslan67
        How would we have them CER and Port Arthur did not demand back

        We don’t even think about it, especially Port Arthur, which the tsarist government rented ...
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 26 May 2013 08: 07 New
      +2
      Quote: Enot-poloskun
      As if China didn’t demand anything for our debts ...

      If I am not mistaken, the agreement on the sale of oil to China was tied to an advance payment in the form of a loan. A loan must be given.

      A loan for the construction of pipes, which will be returned to China in the form of oil. And the money there is kopecks, it will be necessary to give it back.
      But there is nothing to give Tajikistan, it’s empty in the treasury.
    3. knn54
      knn54 26 May 2013 17: 55 New
      +3
      Enot-poloskun: I believe that the precedent with the transfer by Tajikistan of territories to China for debts is dangerous.
      China does not need a mess on the northern border - Tajikistan is not able to restore order there. Better China than the Taliban.
  6. Kolya
    Kolya 26 May 2013 07: 12 New
    +8
    The sprawl of the Tajik leadership leads to undermining the interests of the Tajiks, sovereign and not. Power is simply paid by the general (territory) for its stupid economic policy. And then he will run away somewhere to Florida, and Tajikistan does not care for her. But Russia needs to invest in guarding its border, block illegal immigrants, and not invest in Tajikistan. When they pay for friendship, then the "friends" simply eat up and then come on again or else they will be sold to the Chinese or Amers.
  7. Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 26 May 2013 07: 19 New
    +2
    Tajikistan is the end, I think, for Russia this is not good, China is advancing on all fronts.
  8. aszzz888
    aszzz888 26 May 2013 07: 38 New
    +7
    And we, Russia, how much land we gave to the Chinese in the Far East. Only on the Amur River, how many islands. And how many bends and bends in demarcation of the border? Here is a piece, then there.
    A good topic, by the way, for a separate discussion.
  9. AleksUkr
    AleksUkr 26 May 2013 07: 54 New
    +3
    WE FORGET THE CHILDREN'S GOOD TALES! But it would not hurt to remember ...

    About Bunny

    There lived a bunny and a fox. Bunny built an earthen hut, and the fox an ice hut. When spring came, the sun warmed, the fox’s hut melted. The fox came to the bunny and began to ask: “Bunny, let me warm my paw, give me a second, give me a third, give me a fourth.” I climbed into the hut, got warm and drove the bunny out.

    For good people do not mind!
    1. Per se.
      Per se. 26 May 2013 16: 24 New
      +7
      The tale of the hut is moral for us, not only for Tajikistan. I wonder how people are touched by friendship with China against NATO and the USA! Hitler and I were friends against England and France. In general, if we talk about our relations with China, when the border is demarcated, a self-respecting state does not donate its lands, but exchanges territories. Well, let’s give the islands back to the Japanese so that we don’t take offense, we will conduct a similar demarcation with them, and close the tension. So those wishing to hell will be, give them your finger, after they bite off your hand to the very neck.
  10. treskoed
    treskoed 26 May 2013 08: 04 New
    +1
    As for the very fact of selling land for debts, I will say this: each country is sovereign, and therefore can look for forms of debt repayment convenient for it.

    As they sometimes say - Problems of business entities! You can understand the Chinese - you didn’t take it away - you bought it!
  11. hilt
    hilt 26 May 2013 08: 04 New
    +1
    But this is not the part, someone saw the map?
    1. xetai9977
      xetai9977 26 May 2013 11: 13 New
      +3
      China acts "without noise and dust ..."
  12. Guun
    Guun 26 May 2013 08: 05 New
    +5
    As quiet as a boa constrictor, China acts. No big words, just action. I wonder what China will do later, the introduction of the PLA in Afghanistan or agree with the Taliban to help build a state with great benefit for itself.
  13. Strashila
    Strashila 26 May 2013 08: 10 New
    0
    That's right ... without dust and loud speeches with a quiet glanders to the goal.
  14. pinecone
    pinecone 26 May 2013 08: 33 New
    +2
    "If Russia does not play an important role in Central Asia, allocate significant funds to support its countries, then others will do this, in particular China."

    Enough to pay off all this riffraff. To save your own.
  15. Ragnarek
    Ragnarek 26 May 2013 08: 36 New
    +1
    Tajikistan paid its territory with China for its debts, so everything is fine in this regard. On the contrary, it is necessary to actively adopt the experience of the Chinese comrades and see how Ukraine and the Baltic States can pay for example
  16. aviamed90
    aviamed90 26 May 2013 09: 18 New
    +7
    And now, dear forum users, let us recall how they assured us on the same site - China does not need new territories; in Siberia, the Chinese do not climate; rearmament of the Chinese army does not mean anything!

    And now, all of a sudden - we need it, it’s climate-proof and that means it!
    It doesn’t matter in what way new territories are acquired: by means of military capture, emigration, economic bondage, or through a banal trade deal. The fact is obvious and does not require additional evidence - China needs new territories.

    Conclusion: who will guarantee that India and Russia will not become the next "sellers"?

    Moreover, this fact (sales of part of Tajikistan) is almost never covered in the media. Why?
    And the article is an old one. At least May 2013

  17. Ragnarek
    Ragnarek 26 May 2013 09: 41 New
    0
    Quote: aviamed90
    And now, dear forum users, let us recall how they assured us on the same site - China does not need new territories; in Siberia, the Chinese do not climate; rearmament of the Chinese army does not mean anything!

    And now, all of a sudden - we need it, it’s climate-proof and that means it!
    It doesn’t matter in what way new territories are acquired: by means of military capture, emigration, economic bondage, or through a banal trade deal. The fact is obvious and does not require additional evidence - China needs new territories.

    Conclusion: who will guarantee that India and Russia will not become the next "sellers"?

    Moreover, this fact (sales of part of Tajikistan) is almost never covered in the media. Why?
    And the article is an old one. At least May 2013

    and now is May 2013 laughing
    at the expense of territorial claims of China, so all states have them. Tajiks have nothing to repay debts here and paid off the territory, in addition, China also chooses from whom it can be squeezed from who does not. Russia seems to me to be included in the second group due to the presence of at least nuclear weapons (which the size of the army can drastically reduce).
    1. aviamed90
      aviamed90 26 May 2013 10: 16 New
      +5
      Ragnarek

      Yes, but the article mentions the date - May 6! I wonder what year?

      Even if the article (about Tajikistan) is “noodles” from the troll, this does not change the essence of the matter.

      You tell me about territorial claims, and I tell you about facts and attempts to acquire territories by China:
      - The capture of Tibet by China in 1950;
      - "leveling the PRC border" with Russia in the 1990s with grandfather Yeltsin (Tarabarov Island and half of Bolshoi Ussuriysky Island, the famous Damansky Island. The total area of ​​the transferred territories was 174 sq. km);
      - Sino-Indian conflict in 1962;
      - Sino-Indian conflict in 1967;
      - a border conflict with India in April 2013 in the Himalayas;
      - Sino-Vietnamese War 1979;
      - Incidents near the Japanese Ryukyu Islands (Senkaku Archipelago).

      Let me quote Mao: "We must conquer the globe ... In my opinion, the most important thing is our globe, where we will create a powerful power."

      And here are the following "sellers" of territories for the PRC:
      Burma, Laos, Vietnam, Nepal, Bhutan, northern India, Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore, Korea, the Ryukyu Islands, 300 islands of the South China, East China and Yellow Seas, Kyrgyzstan, South Kazakhstan, the Afghan province of Badakhshan, Mongolia, Transbaikalia and south of the Far East up to Okhotsk.
      In general, I am silent about Taiwan (he is under the auspices of the United States - temporarily "too tough".

      In total, more than 10 million square meters. km This exceeds the territory of China (9,6 million sq. Km). No other state in the world makes such claims.
    2. Airman
      Airman 26 May 2013 12: 41 New
      +2
      [quote = Ragnarek] [. [/ quote]
      and now is May 2013 laughing
      at the expense of territorial claims of China, so all states have them. Tajiks have nothing to repay debts here and paid off the territory, in addition, China also chooses from whom it can be squeezed from who does not. Russia seems to me to be included in the second group due to the presence of at least nuclear weapons (which the size of the army can drastically reduce). [/ Quote]


      Reduce by several million, with 100 million reserves. Hope for nuclear weapons, but don’t be bad. Do not forget about the 5th column in the form of several tens of millions of Chinese who occupied our Far East and southern Siberia.
      1. not good
        not good 26 May 2013 16: 21 New
        +2
        Tajiks have nothing to repay their debts, and so they paid off the territory ... So they would have sold better to Russia, we would have them pay off debts to China, and they would give us land. And we are not offended and Tajiks are calmer. uses the concept of "critical losses" in the tactics of the armed forces, a million there, a million here will not affect the total population.
  18. dc120mm
    dc120mm 26 May 2013 10: 00 New
    +1
    Quote: aviamed90
    Since May 6, China has been deploying troops into Tajikistan. A part of the Gorno-Badashkhan Autonomous Region of this state is given to China for debts. In Dushanbe, they believe that it is uninhabitable. However, China refers to this territory differently, reasonably considering it important from a strategic point of view.

    I think this fact should concern the Tajiks themselves, but ...
  19. Earnest
    Earnest 26 May 2013 10: 12 New
    +3
    What kind of fat troll is squeezing this topic into AiF and sticking a repost here? The only mention of the entry of Chinese troops into Tajikistan and the rejection of one percent of the Tajik land "for debts" is from this author. And the crowd of anal-itiks happily sucks the topic ... Who will find confirmation from normal sources (yes even the reaction of the unforgettable State Department laughing ) - that candy! And the troll's teeth for provocation.
  20. Perch_xnumx
    Perch_xnumx 26 May 2013 10: 58 New
    +1
    This .... potential strikehead, from where you can go to Siberia and the Urals.
  21. Earnest
    Earnest 26 May 2013 11: 04 New
    +1
    Quote: Perch_1
    This .... potential strikehead, from where you can go to Siberia and the Urals.

    1. For you link http://maps.yandex.ru/?ll=86.196212%2C47.829629&spn=29.443359%2C12.789991&z=6&l=



    map to look at the map (better late than never). I urge you to pay attention to the presence of a common border between the PRC and the Russian Federation, and not to look for a connection between the bridgeheads in Tajikistan, potentiality and exits from China to Siberia. You can’t report on viewing the link.
    2. The bridgehead cannot be "shock", "reconnaissance" or any other "sort of sophisticated pseudoscientific army". It can be Oranienbaum, Bukrinsky, Lutezh, Pulavsky, Magnushevsky, Sandomirsky and others. I hope from what time these names are known to you.
    1. shamil
      shamil 26 May 2013 11: 56 New
      +4
      Hitler attacked the USSR along the entire border line. And before the attack, he played friendships, trained his pilots with us and occupied the territories of our neighboring states, and pulled up troops. China is building powerful roads to the northern borders just right for transporting equipment.
    2. Perch_xnumx
      Perch_xnumx 26 May 2013 12: 55 New
      +3
      Bukrinsky, Lutezhsky, Pulavsky, Magnushevsky, Sandomirsky and others. I hope from what time these names are known to you.
      Yes? Maybe then from memory, without using Google and the Internet, remember the details of the operations in which these and other bridgeheads appeared? The bridgehead is just a term. In this case, the trouble began, China naturally will not stop there, because the introduction of troops is symbolic. Chinese expansion and migration in the Far East is obvious, but nobody is interested in it, only when the Chinese will be several times more than the locals, then it will not be funny. Instead of developing knowledge-intensive and high-tech spheres of business and industry, investing in new equipment for factories and enterprises, we are rapidly re-equipping the army and navy ..... Olympic contests and football championships, a waste of money and funds, which may very soon become not enough, of course, at enterprises and military equipment you will not steal like at these grandiose construction sites.
      1. Earnest
        Earnest 26 May 2013 13: 43 New
        -4
        I will try to return you to the topic of discussion of the branch. I repeat the question - was there a deployment of troops? Yes, it was not, do not be fooled by the Tang propaganda about the Chinese threat to the Arctic borders of the northern Central Asian territories of vital interests of the USA
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  23. Alibekulu
    Alibekulu 26 May 2013 11: 25 New
    11
    Here is a video of the topic.
  24. Genady1976
    Genady1976 26 May 2013 11: 34 New
    0
    Russia is not some kind of external enemy is not terrible but internal
  25. annenkov242
    annenkov242 26 May 2013 11: 36 New
    +2
    Having such a large number of emigrants and not having prepared the Tajik opposition for seizing power in our favor will be a big mistake for Russia! They have smart guys.
    Again, it all depends on US !!!
  26. shamil
    shamil 26 May 2013 11: 41 New
    +1
    In Mongolia, China hasn’t chopped off anything!
    1. Gemar
      Gemar 26 May 2013 17: 59 New
      +3
      Quote: shamil
      In Mongolia, China hasn’t chopped off anything!

      I hope this is a rhetorical statement. I hope you know that in the PRC there is 内蒙古 Neimengu (Inner Mongolia) province. The population is almost assimilated. Therefore, "Outer Mongolia" (the current territory of Mongolia is only a "stump" of the past) and requested to be part of the USSR.
  27. shamil
    shamil 26 May 2013 11: 46 New
    0
    What troops China is entering there, maybe some sort of shock group
  28. Earnest
    Earnest 26 May 2013 13: 44 New
    -7
    I'll try to return to the topic of discussion of the branch. I repeat the question - was there a deployment of troops? Yes, it was not, do not get fooled by Tang propaganda about the Chinese threat to the Arctic borders of the northern Central Asian territories of vital interests of the United States.
    Related article: http://voprosik.net/kitaj-zaxvatyvaet-tadzhikistan/, as well as http://hvzvezda.ru/armija/tadzhikistan-novaja-kitaiskaja-provincija.html

    Fat trolls
  29. kind
    kind 26 May 2013 13: 53 New
    0
    The saddest thing is that the people who lived in Badakhshan were expelled from their land, where they lived for centuries. There are Badakhshan tribes. They live in isolation. They are mainly engaged in livestock breeding, process yak wool. In general, children of nature, and they were taken with a kick in the ass. Rahmon oppresses his own people.
    1. Guun
      Guun 26 May 2013 16: 24 New
      +3
      They will not expel, they will live according to Chinese laws as Uyghurs.
      1. Gemar
        Gemar 26 May 2013 18: 16 New
        +5
        Quote: Guun
        live by Chinese laws like Uyghurs.

        Yoghurts were not enthusiastic about Chinese laws, so during the Soviet era they fled en masse to the Kazakh SSR. There is little work in Urumqi. Business is all under the Han. Dissent is brutally suppressed.
        The Chinese looked at the problems of the Russian Federation in the S. Caucasus and decided not to give indulgences to the Uighurs. At the slightest hint of "clandestine" activity, they shawn everyone, in all cities. Example, before the Beijing Olympics there were terrorist attacks. I then lived in Yiwu (Zhejiang). Russians, as is customary in China, eat barbecue at the Uigur eateries. So muso came straight home ... uh ... policemen and wondered if there were any Russians who kept Uyghurs in friends. My friend’s family was scared, bastards.
        So the Uighurs later complained to us for a month that the Chinese, firstly, stopped going to their restaurants, and secondly, there were cases of attacks by the Han Chinese on Uyghurs (in newspapers and tyrante they strictly followed the lack of information, of course).
        So it’s worse than living according to Chinese laws, it can only be ... only ... probably according to French - in general, now you need to be lucky to be born in a complete "orthodox" family. And then, as two fathers adopt ... then prove that you are not half-poker.
  30. Earnest
    Earnest 26 May 2013 13: 59 New
    +1
    On May 7, the "news" about the Chinese invasion was clarified by the head of the Border Service of Kyrgyzstan Tokon Mamytov. He told reporters that reports of Chinese troops entering Tajikistan are nothing more than a duck. Mr. Mamytov stated:
    “I was only on the phone this morning with the First Deputy Chairman of the State Committee for National Security of the Republic of Tajikistan, the head of the Main Directorate of the Border Troops of Tajikistan Mirzo Sherali, and he said that their situation is stable. Moreover, to say that China occupied the Murghab district means, at best, not to understand the processes taking place in Central Asia. Both Dushanbe and Beijing are SCO members who have signed a series of documents on the observance of territorial integrity within this organization. Naturally, the information that a friendly state suddenly all of a sudden almost occupied the lands of its neighbor is erroneous. ”
    source - Kyrgyz portal "Vesti.kg"
  31. fenix57
    26 May 2013 14: 45 New
    +2
    Quote: aviamed90
    Even if the article (about Tajikistan) is “noodles” from the troll, this does not change the essence of the matter.

    I bring to your attention a small excerpt of the article: "China is expanding its territory, taking control of part of the Gorno-Badakhshan Autonomous Region of Tajikistan. Thus, the PRC has "annexed" already one and a half thousand square kilometers of territories transferred at one time to the Chinese in payment of the external debt of Dushanbe ... " seehttp: //zn.ua/WORLD/kitay-vvel-voyska-v-tadzhikistan-122006_.html hi
  32. FlyEngine
    FlyEngine 26 May 2013 15: 01 New
    -1
    Tajiks are normally not able to study at school, where should they manage the state?
    1. Gemar
      Gemar 26 May 2013 18: 27 New
      +2
      Quote: FlyEngine
      Tajiks are not capable of studying at school

      It’s in vain that you are so ... Won so long ago I decided to ride a minibus. At the wheel was a Tajik. It seems nothing arrived. laughing
      But seriously, you are similar in your statement to a Chinese. Those, too, claim that all nations are stupid and cannot invent anything themselves, but only copy from the oldest and wisest Chinese civilization (those who had extensive experience in communicating with the Chinese will understand me).
      Take the average Tajik and give him a normal education. Then send him to his native village. Do you think he will be delighted with his countrymen ???
      We have “copywriters” in our villages and worse (I am glad that so far there is better, despite the educational rehform)
  33. vBR
    vBR 26 May 2013 15: 22 New
    +5
    This already seems to be the second article, the first was a few years ago. 1500 sq. km is 30 * 50. A decent piece, although it is an alpine and extremely harsh desert. None here wrote that this is our land - the land of historical Russia and the USSR, they think already after the post-perestroika cutting - here Ukraine, oh, we need to return Crimea, and there Tajikistan, “sovereign”, we need to strengthen our own. His - is that the administrative borders of the RSFSR? This is generally not a civilizational, or even a state position. Everything needs to be returned later, and to the last span, including the Baltic states, and with the PRC to talk about the good thing that we will not trade in the homeland and let it be annulled (if it wants military support with Taiwan). The entire territory of the USSR is legitimized not just historically, but by two wars - the Civil and the Great Patriotic War, i.e. the blood of the whole multi-ethnic Soviet civil nation. In this sense, China has less reason to rely on Senkaku, but something they do not have smart people who are ready to discuss the problem in terms of trade
  34. AndreyAB
    AndreyAB 26 May 2013 16: 21 New
    +6
    But after that, let a stone be thrown at me if they believe that in Tajikistan the authorities have normal monkeys in a mental state - they have to come up with their own territories to trade, and Russia needs to send Tajiks all back to their native land, and the faster the better, and for the transportation of its citizens from the government will require money, it may also be calculated by the territory.
  35. Conepatus
    Conepatus 26 May 2013 18: 02 New
    +1
    And what, Russia could not redeem this territory from Tajiks?
    1. Humpty
      Humpty 26 May 2013 18: 24 New
      +2
      Quote: Conepatus
      And what, Russia could not redeem this territory from Tajiks?

      There is not any “Tajik” land there, just as there are no Russian maps of that territory.
      Not his (not Tajik) drug traffickers and jumshuts are not sorry.
    2. Gemar
      Gemar 26 May 2013 18: 33 New
      +3
      Quote: Conepatus
      And what, Russia could not redeem this territory from Tajiks?

      Or win chess! laughing
      1. Conepatus
        Conepatus 26 May 2013 19: 42 New
        +1
        Yes, at least how! There is a place to be a decent piece of land, which went to China for debt.
        Anyone had to outbid.
        1. Gemar
          Gemar 26 May 2013 22: 14 New
          +2
          Quote: Conepatus
          Anyone had to outbid.

          Plus to you for perseverance! laughing
          Quote: Conepatus
          a decent piece of land that went to China for debt.

          Yes, our rulers gave to the Chinese and more, yes, for free! recourse
          And you say buy ... We can’t save our own. It's a shame to tears ... sad
          1. Conepatus
            Conepatus 26 May 2013 23: 27 New
            0
            Well, why for free? Anyone who has made territorial concessions to China has replenished his love pocket.
  36. Abakanets
    Abakanets 26 May 2013 18: 53 New
    0
    If the flow of drugs and migrants is blocked, then let the Chinese even take away all of Central Asia.
    1. nevopros
      nevopros 26 May 2013 21: 04 New
      +2
      Nah, it's not worth it. First of all for us. And if they thereby (the Badakhshan region) open the way to a fun-overwhelming Afghanistan - a flag in their hands. The Uighurs not so long ago had unrest. Question: where do arms and legs grow from? Before the Olympics, they suddenly remembered about Tibet. Funny, isn't it?

      The Afghan population does not give confidence (in particular, that Pakistan’s ally is coping with the situation of new cosmopolitan Islamists). And if the Chinese special forces suddenly will be discovered in the mountains of Afghanistan - I personally do not mind. They have their own interests there (Not only economic).
  37. individual
    individual 26 May 2013 19: 00 New
    +2
    Browser Quote:
    “As for the fact of selling land for debts, I’ll say this: each country is sovereign, and therefore can look for forms of debt repayment convenient for it. Yes, in this case, the choice of Dushanbe can weaken Russia's position in the Central Asian region. But, I hope this will not happen".

    What naivety ... This has already happened.
    By and large, it is all the same to us not pleasant to see Amers or Chinese in the former zone of responsibility of Russia.
    It is simply that the future confrontation between the United States and China pushes back their open claims to Russia, and each of its counterparts will seek to attract Russia into its sphere of interests. Our diplomacy needs to go over the fine line of not joining the "showdown" and use their contradictions and disagreements to strengthen their interests.
    And then, as in the eastern wisdom of Nasredin:
    "Either the padishah will die, or the donkey will die."
    1. nevopros
      nevopros 26 May 2013 21: 15 New
      -1
      It’s impossible to separate oneself - not-yes-dut. And, alas, it’s easier to throw a misinformation about the threat of a “predatory neighbor” here. The controversy under this topic is proof.
  38. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 26 May 2013 19: 11 New
    +6
    <<< Since May 6, China has been introducing troops into Tajikistan. Part of the Gorno-Badashkhan Autonomous Region of this state is given to China for debts. Tajikistan is a typical failed state, torn by inter-clan contradictions. Its economic situation is catastrophic. >>>
    For some reason, it didn’t occur to China “to strengthen its position in Tajikistan” to simply forgive this debt, as Russia often did, whose officials in similar cases (suspended debts, often billions of dollars) could not come up with anything more clever than to write off debts ! Learning from China must be of state firmness and wisdom, and not make, to put it mildly, SMART decisions to write off debts, obviously lobbied by certain figures, probably, as usual with officials who have "warmed up their hands!" After all, a Russian official will not lift his ass out of his chair. And there are so many BABLES and everything is easy to write off ....?
    1. Conepatus
      Conepatus 26 May 2013 20: 49 New
      0
      We have even cooler. We have the debts of a private company, or a bank, transferred to public debt.
  39. Fofan
    Fofan 26 May 2013 20: 57 New
    +2
    ahaha bai zhgut! soon their daughters will be exported to China
  40. Vtel
    Vtel 26 May 2013 21: 46 New
    0
    Therefore, he is forced to flirt with China, as he gives money

    Money to the people or to the top. To trade the Native Land, the road to nowhere for the nation. There will never be much money, and the territory will not be returned. The descendants will recall, and so with Kosovo. It's a pity!
  41. Yves762
    Yves762 26 May 2013 22: 19 New
    +1
    Tajik fuck, Chinese army ... add Uncle Sam and Operation Flashpoint: Red River fellow it will turn out some ... Why would it.?. what Maybe, nevertheless, crap is already happening in the world, not voiced in the press, so that lemmings do not break into drowning ... am
  42. RussischGenosse
    RussischGenosse 26 May 2013 22: 53 New
    0
    Everyone should pay their debts than pay, it does not matter much. But China, too, must understand what kind of debt it is, to select the territory of a sovereign country: This is immoral. Russia, as an ally of Tajikistan, should show concern in this situation. China’s ever-growing, economic, political, and military power may adversely affect our relations with it in the future. China, like Russia, is interested in playing the decisive role in Asia. Then Russia should be tougher in this policy. And win back their national interests in this region. Otherwise, we just lose Asia. But most of all we should care about our Asia or the other Far East. The ever-growing population of the Chinese population is pushing the Chinese ruling elite to expand the borders of their country, that is, to expand their territory. And the most suitable and plus God’s territory with vital resources is the Far East. Despite the fact that there are not so many people living in this territory. Therefore, we must approach this issue very carefully, consider every step, and develop the infrastructure of the entire Far East as soon as possible. The Russian Empire and the USSR poorly approached the territorial issue, now not the territory, not the states themselves.
  43. fenix57
    27 May 2013 00: 48 New
    +1
    Quote: Goldmitro
    Learning from China should be of state firmness and wisdom, and not take, to put it mildly, SMART decisions to write off debts, obviously lobbied by certain figures, most likely, as usual with officials, "heated hands on this

    + More precisely, friendship is stronger ... hi
  44. Earnest
    Earnest 27 May 2013 09: 19 New
    0
    Well, how did anyone find confirmation of the entry of Chinese troops into Tajikistan? Or is it that everything with us remains at the level of “blah blah Chinaans in otak for rushka chires jamshutov minus tamu who does not believe me”? A provocative question - the website of the Russian Foreign Ministry, the State Department of the "camp" do not care about the topic because they see and know less than us?
    The brain is disconnected, in the sources all kinds of http: //***.ua with a repost from http://www.news-asia.ru/. A wonderful source, with articles like: Salmoorbek Dyikanov: “Forcing to study in Russian is shamelessness and stupidity.” Before you minus one more time, follow the links, get acquainted with those who rekindle your hysteria with "Chinese in otaka."
    PS: Once again - confirmation in the studio!
  45. Kazbek
    Kazbek 27 May 2013 09: 24 New
    +3
    Enough Tajiks ridicule, they themselves are not better. Who knows what our bureaucrats have in mind, maybe they also think of the land a lot is not a pity.
  46. Enot-poloskun
    Enot-poloskun 27 May 2013 17: 19 New
    0
    And then let Tajikistan give us "for debts" Nurek with "Window"!

    Otherwise, Tajiks will not be allowed to work!