Nobody cares. About the main threat to Russian civilization

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Nobody cares. About the main threat to Russian civilization


Yes, all do not care. To notice this, simply look around.

Houses with no street names or numbers. Whole series of such - to find out where you are now without GPS, sometimes you need to go through several blocks. Institutions without any navigation inside, although thousands of people come there every day. And watchmen who do not give references.

Late arrivals, or even non-attendance at meetings that were agreed upon long before. Setting aside everything for the eternal tomorrow. Mountains of papers on the tables, mountains of garbage on the floor and crumbling plaster.

Placers factual errors in manuals and textbooks. Overlapping paragraphs on sites and dead links. Unbalanced controls. Sticking door handles. And stress, stress, endless stress.

In any institution, be it public or private, you almost never meet people who work. More precisely, there are many busy with something, and many are even busy with what is in part similar to the performance of official duties. However, the inefficiency of their work is so high that their occupation looks more like a cynical mockery of these same responsibilities. As if the whole company consists entirely of satirists, furiously lashing out over the production process.

These satirists, however, are not fun at all. And even less fun for those who, by coincidence, are forced to contact them. The official sticking over administrative work does not entertain visitors at all - he tries to humiliate them in every way. Instead of helping them, visitors who, it is possible, are here for the first time and, naturally, don’t know how and what is customary to issue here, the official yells at them, constantly requires reworking, rewriting, re-issuing, although he himself it seems unable to clearly list what is required of them.

The seller, the manager, the laboratory assistant behaves in the same way — anyone. They are all on edge, and all while doing so, they only stebe over their work.

All this - a consequence of the fact that all do not care. People don't care about what they do or how they do it. They are not interested in optimizing their work, they are not interested in organizing it, they are not interested in anything at all associated with this work.

They will tell you that they do not live for work. That work is material. Only a way to get money. Perhaps that would be the point. But what compensates for this inevitable routine? Does a man take care of his house? Not. Everything in the house is exactly the same - the doors are stuck, the wallpaper comes off, things are randomly scattered around the apartment, the home computer is almost not working for a long time, as it is full of viruses.

Is it material too? Perhaps a person lives by writing poetry, researching something in a home laboratory, collecting robots or at least eagerly absorbs knowledge about the world? No, and it's not. Art, science, knowledge in the same degree do not care. About the “material”, it was just a figure of speech, because the intangible is exactly the same for him.

He does not care and other people, including "his family", to the need for the care of which he appeals, in order to justify his pofigism in all other areas. He has no idea what his children live, and in some cases what they live for too. He is not interested in the interests of his spouse. Visiting parents or sisters with brothers, he just misses all the time needed according to the relative etiquette. He doesn't care.

He doesn't even care about the TV he watches. No matter what they show. It is just a background that allows him to disconnect for a while from the reality otsofigevsheyu him. Do not observe an alternative reality, no, just disconnect from the one in which he constantly lives. This is just hypnosis.

Abraham Boleslav Peace once said that a person is sometimes ready to plow all day, just not to work. This phrase is the best way to describe the life of a person who does not care. He is not going to do anything, he is just serving a sentence here, committing a multitude of mechanical actions, which save him from a quick death in an extremely inefficient way. And serving his term is hellishly exhausting.

What he is forced to do, he could do much easier and faster, but for that he would have to make a little effort - to learn this way, to master it. Understand the function of the program that he manually plays back every day. Organize your workplace so that it is easy to find what he uses on a daily basis. Change the communication scheme between employees. Find out the meaning of the word that he does not know, so every time he tries not to give a look about his ignorance.

However, this little effort is much harder for him than the alternative. It will be hours on the calculator to add the numbers inscribed in the Excel table, just not to understand how the formulas work there. He will make a hundred calls a day, transfer tons of information from one employee to another, just not to learn the simplest software that will free him from this. It will be painful to think how to pretend that he understands, about which it is, just not to understand this for real.

He will rummage through endless wardrobes, trying to find some kind of folder, just not to arrange them in an easy-to-search order and, even more so, not to switch to electronic document management.

Many people think that “bureaucrats are all on purpose” so that it does not turn out that they have plenty of free time. They do not specifically use computers, they specially keep everything in disarray, but no. Many of them are recycled, many are worn for twelve hours a day in the soap, from which they break down on colleagues and visitors. It is just that the effort required for work is much harder for them than the hundred times greater effort they make when they plow.

Many clinics already have computers for a long time, but the patient cards are still paper. Doctors write something in them by hand, they paste in new sheets there, they write the same thing a hundred times, although the computer is already on their desk. In the reception, female workers run between the cabinets in search of a map, and then on floors - to take the card to the right doctor. They could not do all this, the doctor could get access to the electronic map with one click of the mouse. But all do not care. To write, of course, laziness, but even more laziness to learn something. Even if it takes an hour, and years will be saved. From the height of his experience, he can still heal people mechanically, but for an hour of training you need awareness, which you cannot bring yourself to when it doesn't matter.

These are not bad people at all, they do not want evil to others, and sometimes they even want good. They feel sorry for other people, they may even want to help them. However, their position is similar to that of a sailor on a sinking ship, observing how the rest of the crew sips tea and idly discusses the color of the boatswain's shoes. They are not alone in their work, in their city, in their country. And universal pofigizm tightens them into its abyss.

I myself repeatedly under the influence of universal pofigizm diving there. And each time, with difficulty emerging, I realized that part of me sank after all. I could not regain the original nepofig, I just emerged from the abyss itself to its edge. Slightly farther from the edge than popped up last time.

Perhaps other nations know a way to work well just for the money. But we can't do that. For money, we can only come to work. However, if we see that what we have done is simply thrown away, since, generally speaking, it also didn’t care for the customers - simply the duties of the office meant an order. If we see that all do not care for our colleagues, superiors, subordinates. That is the inexpressible melancholy in words, from which the hands fall.

If we see that our idea is not worth any idea - to feed everyone, to give housing to everyone, to open, to reach, to accomplish something global, to come somewhere far away where we have gone now, then everything will be don't care

The official, intuitively understanding that a certain formal requirement is completely senseless, cannot overpower itself and help the visitor to meet this requirement. How could he not help him perform any other meaningless ritual. More precisely, how could not help him to make not just a visitor, but the next visitor. Of many hundreds in a month.

The employee can not look for ways to improve production, if the only purpose thereof is to increase the amount of money in someone’s pocket.

A scientist can not investigate something, if this study is only for a tick. To "master the budget."

They all could have a personal interest that would move them forward, despite the absence of a much-needed goal, but it slowly diminishes. And the first lost interest will accelerate the loss of interest in the second.

At their work, in their own city, in their own country, people are not alone; therefore, they are pulled down by others. But initially this happens because the work, the city and the country are not really their own. They want to feel their own, but the feeling collapses under the onslaught of the realization that all this - some very complex tools for pressing and laundering money by third parties whose intentions are vague and mercantile.

Other nations may be able to cope with this, but for our people, alienation is critical. When work is alienated from workers, cities - from their inhabitants, the country - from its citizens, inevitably, they will stop doing anything at all. Russians spat on all formal relations from the high bell tower. They spat on business interests and business ethics. They spat on labor discipline. A Russian can easily prokutit fallen money from heaven, but only extreme need can make him do what he and his associates do not believe in the slightest.

A Russian labor or military feat is accomplished when he intuitively realizes the real usefulness of this act. The public utility, even if the whole “society” to which the results of this feat will extend, consists of three of its comrades. A Russian accomplishes a feat when behind this feat stands a well-marked and from his point of view a just goal. If the goal is also great, then the Russian accomplishes the feat with a striking imagination. But if the goal is not there or it is unworthy or unfair, then he absolutely doesn’t care.

And without a global addressee of his efforts, he will quickly become indifferent. And without fellow-seekers, he will not care. And no "zealous owner", no "dictator", no "business ethics", no "law-is-laws" will pull him out of this state.

A worthy, fair goal, a direct link with the public good can be created from the Russian uneducated peasant - the great scientist. The absence of all this even great scientists will turn into a garden bed with vegetables. Everyone will not care.
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  1. +5
    26 May 2013 07: 04
    Emotionally. Even a lot of things. good Is it interesting that the author has a family? My opinion is that of those who have a family, children, parents who retire they don’t care. It can only be for those who have nothing and have no private property request
    1. +18
      26 May 2013 07: 11
      The second day on the site is somehow, to put it mildly, emotional rubbish going on.
      Yesterday an article about idiocy http://topwar.ru/28482-kak-raspoznat-idiota-vo-vremya-diskussii.html#comment-id-
      1185804, today about pofigizm...
      Is the weather affected?
      1. +4
        26 May 2013 07: 18
        Quote: GreatRussia
        Is the weather affected?

        Is it nothing that the weekly review is more and more like a record on the medical record? Only with doctors and paramedics is somehow bad, there are more statistics and a diary of observations
        1. +26
          26 May 2013 11: 56
          As for indifference or laziness: There was a case when he was a sailor on a ship, at a fish factory all people constantly banged their heads on the iron sharp corners of attachments. And in the factory there were many somewhere around 20-30. I myself have more than once smashed my head into blood at these angles, and when pitching, collisions cannot be avoided. They didn’t react at all to requests from the authorities to cut down the corners, even the rest of the sailors! everyone either was lazy or didn’t care, they probably thought that if they walk more carefully then they will avoid injuries, but every time it’s impossible to constantly think about caution and they will get injuries again. Maybe they hoped for another who cuts corners for them. In the end, my patience snapped and I went to the authorities to resolve the problem on my own, which they said only in their free time. He took the grinder and sawed off sharp corners in 2 hours and wrapped it with soft material in addition. Many were surprised to say - do you need it? let others file away. After that, I was convinced that either the people - the sailors were very lazy or scored everything so that they were ready to suffer.
          1. +8
            26 May 2013 15: 55
            Unfortunately, you know the FLEET has a "law": "Initiative in the Navy is punishable!" And, if anyone benefits from THIS law, THEN
            ... it is impossible to avoid a collision while rolling

            Such "indifference" especially on "supers", where the number of the crew disappears in the hundreds. There, unfortunately, the laws of "rabble" flourish.
            BUT, the REASON is sometimes, not even in quantity, but in CAPTAIN!
            You know that the CLASS of training in the "modern" sailor and in the "past" is different. They even differ in "the number of applicants per place". Therefore, your leadership is either young or ... "And there is nobody else!"
            1. +3
              26 May 2013 21: 31
              Quote: morpod
              Such "indifference" especially on "supers", where the number of the crew disappears in the hundreds. There, unfortunately, the laws of "rabble" flourish.

              They guessed right, it went just on ships like monsund, the crew in Soviet times was under 140 people, now they have reduced it to 70, the loads have increased, where can I think about safety measures. Injuries increased, superiors require speed of work to the detriment of quality.
              Quote: morpod
              BUT, the REASON is sometimes, not even in quantity, but in CAPTAIN!

              Of course, much depends on the captain, but why do we always hope for a solution from above, when sometimes we can do it ourselves. I agree the initiative is punishable))) but when you get bumps every day because of imperfections in the design of the attachments, you have to take the initiative voluntarily, health is more important.
              Quote: morpod
              You know that the CLASS of training in the "modern" sailor and in the "past" is different. They even differ in "the number of applicants per place". Therefore, your leadership is either young or ... "And there is nobody else!"

              I know ... he studied. One can judge in two ways, but in general, the old education was better, or students had to rely more on themselves. Now everything is bought, hence the result. Although, according to the captain’s stories, before the new ships arrived every 3 weeks, from the lack of navigators they studied for 3 months, in place 4 years, little knowledge was compensated by experience over time. But the leadership, the bosses are different: normal and unfortunately rotten, in a sea of ​​people you quickly calculate.
      2. -4
        26 May 2013 08: 19
        Spring rules! laughing
      3. +3
        26 May 2013 11: 42
        Quote: Author Alexei Kravetsky ...
        In any institution, whether it is public or private, you will hardly find people who work.


        Arrange me in such an office the author, I will be grateful for a century, it seems that you have already settled



        1. +7
          26 May 2013 14: 39
          Quote: Vadivak
          Arrange me in such an office the author, I will be grateful for a century, it seems that you have already settled

          There are such offices, but the author was mistaken in one thing, for example, in the same Gazprom, the bosses put all the work on subordinates, and those, in turn, on their subordinates. And it turns out that you are doing both your work and the work of the bosses, who sometimes simply have sons who have shoved them to this position by the thieves, alas, it is not only there but is found everywhere, less often in private small companies, such people simply will not live long if this is so.
    2. donchepano
      0
      26 May 2013 07: 40
      Quote: Ruslan67

      Emotionally. Even a lot of things.



      The author is not sick with the case? Some kind of hypochondria
      1. S_mirnov
        +35
        26 May 2013 09: 56
        In my opinion, the topic of nationwide indifference is caused by two factors:
        1) The lack of a holistic worldview and moral values ​​among the population of the Russian Federation, the Soviet Union is destroyed and replaced by a mixture of bourgeois values ​​seasoned with medieval religious (no matter which religion).
        2) Young people clearly understand that nifiga in their lives will not be able to change. The property of the people of the USSR has already been sawn, divided and the division is legalized, i.e. get rich quickly will not work. Getting rich working hard is also impossible, due to the corruption of the state. And wealth is the highest value of modern Russia and is actively promoted.
        In the political sphere, too, everything is divided and stable. Nobody who can change something will be allowed to go there (they’ll just kill).
        Hence the feeling of hopelessness and the boom of books and computer games on the topic of post-apocalypse (changes in living arrangements due to external factors, meteorite, epidemic, etc.)
        1. +1
          26 May 2013 12: 08
          Quote: S_mirnov
          In my opinion, the topic of nationwide indifference is caused by two factors:

          The article is neither a plus nor a minus. Nevermind .....
          And I agree with Alexander.
        2. djon3volta
          -8
          26 May 2013 13: 17
          Quote: S_mirnov
          The property of the people of the USSR has already been sawn, divided and the division is legalized, i.e. get rich quickly will not work. Getting rich working hard is also impossible, due to the corruption of the state.

          it’s clear from your opuses that you couldn’t make money, and you couldn’t steal. Just like you give a billion in cash, you will either drink it or they will steal it from you.
          it’s clear from your posts that you often use the financial component, often write about money more often, which means that you also have money in the foreground, you just want a lot of money, and you realize that you will never have it (a lot of ), here you are spewing out all your anger at Serdyukov and Chubaisov, because it was they who PERSONALLY deprived you of your livelihood. Chubais threw you at 2 Volga, and Serdyukov took your pestle from under the mattress.
          1. S_mirnov
            +10
            26 May 2013 13: 29
            laughing In his repertoire! "you often write about money in short, which means that you also have money in the foreground" - money is not the main thing, but you cannot live without it, you have to spend a lot of time earning it. I am a supporter of Stalin's plan for the transition to a four-day working week, so that there is still enough time for self-development. And the fact that Chubais appropriated the people's property, I remember. We don't need someone else's, but we won't give ours!
            1. djon3volta
              -9
              26 May 2013 15: 16
              Quote: S_mirnov
              And the fact that Chubais appropriated the national good, I remember.

              PERSONALLY Chubais what stole from you? Specifically write, Chubais stole from me this fifth tenth. Make a list to me what farm Chubais stole from you.
              I do not defend Chubais, I just want to see those specific things, objects that PERSONALLY Chubais PERSONALLY stole from you.
              come on, waiting for the list.
              yes, I’m also wondering why the PEOPLE who works at the Prokhorovsky plant will not take this plant away? why the crowd of people just won’t say - Prokhorov, this is our plant, we are taking it from you! where are these people (people)? why aren't they going to at the factory and do not demand to return it .. to whom? it is not clear? to the people? then give me the factory too, I’m also the people laughing
        3. 0
          26 May 2013 14: 34
          You can’t say better and more precisely.
        4. +1
          27 May 2013 04: 36
          I fully agree with the author. Here, almost along Vereshchagin "There was a customs office - there were smugglers. If there was no customs office, there were no smugglers". Now the situation is the same. The USSR, where people worked for their country, did not become, and people did not have the desire to work for something abstract - capitalist. Today there is no country for which the people would be sick of their souls, as before for the USSR. After the tagged one leaked the country, everything went awry. People are not blind.
      2. Atlon
        +16
        26 May 2013 12: 23
        Quote: donchepano
        The author is not sick with the case? Some kind of hypochondria

        And I agree with the author! Everything is just like that. Even here, the maximum user activity is on weekdays, during WORKING hours! What does this mean? That a lot of people don't work, but only pretends! Wherever you go, employees are sitting everywhere with a smart look buried in monitors. And in fact they write on forums, in social networks, and play online games. And we want to live better? Many, as the author wrote, "receive a salary," or, as one colleague of mine said, "a salary." But the salary should not be received, but earned! Of course, not everyone is online. Someone REALLY works, but too little to make a breakthrough ... And on weekends, we sit on sofas staring at the TV and sipping beer. We are tired". Therefore, I can not put things in order in the house, in the garage, work with children. Are many now actively resting? By bike, kayak, tent? The maximum that is enough for imagination is to drive a car "into nature" by the side of the asphalt, taking with you in the nearest supermarket already prepared products and a set of disposable dishes (otherwise it is too lazy to wash), devour, and scattering the garbage after you return to the sofa and TV ... And on Monday "to work", write on forums, on social networks and play network games.
    3. Genady1976
      +4
      26 May 2013 09: 52
      For such a salary not only do not need to work, but also need to harm slowly!
      that's what they think
    4. honest jew
      +6
      26 May 2013 16: 02
      Vodka is the main threat to Russia !!!
      1. Conepatus
        +2
        26 May 2013 17: 54
        Not so much vodka as propaganda of alcohol (the same beer)
        Advertising at every step, on TV beer is advertised as a mandatory attribute of relaxation.
      2. +2
        26 May 2013 19: 38
        Quote: Honest Jew
        Vodka is the main threat to Russia !!!
      3. TUMAN
        +12
        26 May 2013 20: 23
        Quote: Honest Jew
        Vodka is the main threat to Russia !!!

        This is the main threat to Russia. And vodka and drugs are a tool!
        1. alexandr00070
          +6
          26 May 2013 22: 45
          Quote: TUMAN
          This is the main threat to Russia. And vodka and drugs are a tool!

          But they cleverly translate the arrows into vodka. Vodka is to blame. That the people are dying, and not the actions of God's chosen ministers who destroyed health care, education, culture, the economy, etc., but vodka is to blame. And after all, they hammered it to us, including the Honest Jew, made his contribution, he was supposed to act like that ........... by nationality.
          1. TUMAN
            +1
            26 May 2013 22: 59
            Quote: alexandr00070
            including Honest Jew

            Honest Jews don't exist. This "Honest Jew" is a tactical move of the Jews for the re-education of the Slavs. That is to say, developing confidence in the Jews. "Look an honest Jew", "and even Jews are honest", "what an honest Jew". And so on, on the topic!
            1. alexandr00070
              +2
              26 May 2013 23: 03
              Quote: TUMAN
              Honest Jews do not exist.

              Well, how, and what about these honest people, who day and night care for the good of Russia ...................... although yes it doesn’t happen
      4. alexandr00070
        +7
        26 May 2013 22: 34
        Quote: Honest Jew
        Vodka is the main threat to Russia !!!

        this is the main threat to Russia
        1. TUMAN
          0
          26 May 2013 23: 13
          Quote: alexandr00070
          this is the main threat to Russia

          That's for sure! You won’t cook porridge with them!
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              1. alexandr00070
                +1
                26 May 2013 23: 28
                Quote: TUMAN
                That's right!

                Gundyaev's reaction to luxury is sharply positive
                1. TUMAN
                  +1
                  26 May 2013 23: 37
                  Quote: alexandr00070
                  Gundyaev's reaction to luxury is sharply positive

                  Gundyaeva generally brings!
                  1. Lynx
                    -1
                    27 May 2013 00: 10
                    Gundyaev was a Catholic cell-maker. That judged Orthodoxy in the wolf in sheep's clothing - this is exactly what the enemies of Orthodoxy and Russia are seeking.
                    What did Brzezinski say there? The USSR was destroyed, the main enemy remained - Orthodoxy.
                    This is me about the last two phrases on this demotivator.
                    Read about ecumenism in order not to be mistaken and not to provoke people to throw off their protection so far. This wolf, for that, was put in the place where he now sits.

                    I can’t understand one thing - are we such fools that we are refusing the state-forming and culture-forming religion that has been accompanying our country for so many centuries because of the accidentally expensive watches and provocatively insulting speeches of the fake patriarch, or those who slipped him to us are so smart?

                    My experience and my observations suggest to me that the more a person knows about what they are trying to provoke him about, the more such a provocation will fail. So they forgot for 90 years of godlessness what you need to know.
                    We must build everything so that people break their own spiritual core ...
                    And it is surprising that the enemy (Brzezinski) knows more about him than we do. Would listen at least sometimes ..
                    1. TUMAN
                      -1
                      27 May 2013 00: 30
                      Quote: Lynx
                      so as not to be mistaken and not to provoke people to throw off their protection so far.

                      You wanted to say slavery! Judeo-Christian slavery!
                      Quote: Lynx
                      I can’t understand one thing - are we such fools that we are refusing the state-forming and culture-forming religion

                      I repeat, but for you personally.
                      Religion simply dulls people, makes them weak-willed, submissive and fanatical. People who can’t think critically. The worst thing is that religions are a way of slavish thinking, this is a type of slavish psychology, these are false priorities, these are searches for the meaning of life that is useless to anyone, these are false psychos diagrams, these are false internal connections. In a word, religion is a gigantic mental and psychological virus that has been living for two thousand years and is fed by those who believe in it!
                      Quote: Lynx
                      They would listen at least sometimes.

                      Listen to what? To that?!
                      Gospel of Luke CHAPTER 14
                      verse 26. if someone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, and his wife and children, and brothers and sisters, and, moreover, his very life, he cannot be My disciple;
                      CHAPTER 12
                      verse 53. the father will be against the son, and the son against the father; mother versus daughter, and daughter versus mother; the mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law, and the daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.
                      verse 52. for henceforth five in one house will be divided, three against two, and two against three:
                      verse 51. Do you think that I have come to give peace to the earth? No, I tell you, but separation;

                      Matthew - Chapter 10
                      34 Do not think that I came to bring peace to the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword,
                      35 for I came to divide the man with his father, and the daughter with her mother, and the daughter-in-law with her mother-in-law.
                      36 And ​​the enemies of man are his household.
                      I advise you to read this link.
                      http://www.a-theism.com/2013/02/blog-post_6003.html
                    2. alexandr00070
                      -1
                      27 May 2013 12: 54
                      Quote: Lynx
                      I can’t understand one thing - are we such fools that we are refusing the state-forming and culture-forming religion,

                      There should not be a religion of the state and a culture-forming one, you live in the 21st century. And you cling to ancient tales about a wizard man, on the basis of whose adventures the gospels were created from all sorts of John, Matthews, etc., a religion would be good just wouldn't refuse the people are from it. Neither do we know (and the church records will not give a true answer) to the question of how the Russians lived under Christianity, because before Catherine the church was the largest landowner in Russia, and, accordingly, the holder of serfs. After all, money is flowing into the church from everywhere, according to the old Jewish tradition, it invests in circulation, and money is already making money, and Brzezinski is yours full, and thank God that they have such stupid ideologists, he predicted the death of Russia in the destruction of Orthodoxy, missing the main thing we they lived without religion for 80 years, smashed enemies in the tail and in the mane, and that religion that has arisen over the past 20 years, only remotely (only by name) resembles pre-revolutionary Orthodoxy, and it does not at all resemble the days of Sergius of Radonezh. These American fools do not understand that the main thing is the RUSSIAN SPIRIT, and not worship of the dead gods, therefore they will be beaten at any time, maybe not right away (because the spirit needs to be pissed off), but there will be beats unambiguously.
                      So Brzezinski is our man with the Americans, because they will spend billions on the destruction of what is not there, and thank God there will be less real weapons
                  2. GG2012
                    -2
                    27 May 2013 00: 20
                    Quote: TUMAN
                    Gundyaeva generally brings!

                    "... And who were the Slavs? These are barbarians. Barbaras are people who say incomprehensible things. They are ... second-class people, they are almost animals ..."
                    Author: Kirilushka Gundyaev.

                    So they will remember him!
                    With this phrase alone, he insulted three great nations and millions of sober-minded people who have the power to understand the intricacies of Jewish information weapons to destroy Slavic identity.
                    1. -1
                      27 May 2013 00: 25
                      Quote: GG2012
                      "... And who were the Slavs? These are barbarians. Barbaras are people who say incomprehensible things. They are ... second-class people, they are almost animals ..."
                      Author: Kirilushka Gundyaev.

                      Dear, well, you can’t treat the people on the site so badly.
                      I understand that it’s possible to pull out a more complicated phrase from the context, but this ... Anyone who knows the story in the scope of the school curriculum will immediately understand that it was about the attitude of the Romans towards their neighbors. To all, not just the Slavs.
                      1. GG2012
                        -2
                        27 May 2013 00: 34
                        Quote: Spade
                        Dear, well, you can’t treat the people on the site so badly.

                        You still say that I pulled his tongue ... blurt out!
                        Quote: Spade
                        I understand that it’s possible to pull out a more complicated phrase from the context, but this ... Anyone who knows the story in the scope of the school curriculum will immediately understand that it was about the attitude of the Romans towards their neighbors. To all, not just the Slavs.

                        It reminded me of one anecdote in which Carlson says to the Kid "You misunderstood everything! It's me who gets turned on from the starter!"

                        And I am familiar with History in the amount that exceeds several times the school course.

                        Respected
                      2. TUMAN
                        -1
                        27 May 2013 00: 38
                        Quote: Spade
                        I understand that it’s possible to pull out a more complicated phrase from the context, but this ... Anyone who knows the story in the scope of the school curriculum will immediately understand that it was about the attitude of the Romans towards their neighbors. To all, not just the Slavs.

                        Dear, you do not need to call people schoolchildren, Gundyaev clearly speaks about the Slavs, And do not overshoot, like he didn’t want to say that and other nonsense! Gundyayev said clearly, the Slavs are second-class people!
                      3. fisherman
                        0
                        27 May 2013 02: 43
                        re:

                        "

                        "Look at the statistics of crimes related to hazing in the army (remember about latency)."

                        - errors with the accuracy of the localization of the problem lead, at best, to "we wanted the best, but it turned out ..." (that is, to a joke) and at worst - to the loss of personnel ...

                        bullying - nests in the entire young community ... that is why ass-kissed deviators meet the same bullying in the nearest night club ...

                        "The conscript army is slavery in itself."

                        any human habit is slavery ... according to Comrade Confucius, slavery is much stronger than such human passions (feelings) as love and hate ... if you deal with all kinds of shackles in modern life, then only a person who is in unconsciousness ...

                        the civilization (culture) of society is determined by the observance of certain collective agreements (common for the whole "herd" of good-evil concepts or the same for the whole "herd" of laws ... habits)))

                        "There is an absolute erasure of individuality, the transformation of a person not just into a slave, but into a hammered piece of protoplasm ready for anything."

                        I feel that you have excellent intelligence ... I’m sure that you can easily answer a simple question that does not require excessive tension of your frontal gyrus:

                        - the right of the individual (or the will of the individual or private freedom) VS public law (or public interests or eg collegiality) are eternal antagonists ... so, which of these principles is the primary source of despotism-totalitarianism-Stalinism? ..

                        "But I can talk about the quality of the omelet, although I have never laid a single egg yet" - of course you can ... together with Comrade Shaw ... because even a small child can eat ... but to grow and cook dishes - this is a little different :)
                        "
                      4. alexandr00070
                        0
                        27 May 2013 13: 02
                        Quote: Spade
                        Anyone who knows history in the volume of the school curriculum will immediately understand that it was a question of the attitude of the Romans towards their neighbors. To all, not just the Slavs.

                        Listen to the interview, it was about the Slavs-barbarians (second-class people) who came to Cyril and Methodius in order to teach the mind the mind, so do not simplify the problem. And what's more, engage in polemics based only on knowledge of the school curriculum .................... by the way for six months, you were the first to reprimand Kirillushka,
  2. fenix57
    +23
    26 May 2013 07: 10
    Somehow everything is in gloomy tones, comrade author. Is it really so bad for you.
    Maybe fatigue affects ...
    It seems to me in the subject:
    -The family had two children - one is a pessimist and the other is an optimist. New year is coming. Their parents decided to "equalize", so that there were not such extremes, and prepared gifts: a horse for a pessimist, and a bunch of horse manure for an optimist. Children wake up in the morning ...
    Pessimist:
    - Hyyy, horse ... Small, but I wanted big ... brown, and I wanted gray in apples ... Woody, and I wanted liveyyyyuyuyu ...
    Optimist:
    - A y me alive! Just run away!

    A conversation between a pessimist and an optimist. The pessimist whines: "How tired it all, already
    the third day I do not get enough sleep as much as possible. "An optimist with a smile:"
    light sleep. "Pessimist:" You still have to live to see him "...
    1. +16
      26 May 2013 07: 21
      Quote: fenix57
      A conversation between a pessimist and an optimist.

      Pessimist-Well, everything will not get worse request crying negative Optimist -Will be good drinks fellow wassat
      1. +6
        26 May 2013 09: 01
        Even if everything gets worse, it's all garbage, everything will break through exactly !!!!!! drinks
  3. +5
    26 May 2013 07: 26
    The article is suitable for journalism, but not for HE. For any courses in psychology.
    1. +5
      26 May 2013 08: 02
      in-in, suicidal article, a feeling that the author is under serious withdrawal symptoms.
      1. +4
        26 May 2013 08: 26
        Yes, such an article is no good.
        The author of this opus, it seems, also does not care.
        ..
        I know intuitively what it means - "...sales term drains him as hell .. ",
        but I would like to hear explanations from the author.
        Sale, prey, chinook salmon, bull, shepherd ..
        I even guess that Alexey Kravetsky rather just made a repost from somewhere, but still interesting.
        ..
        Here is max73 below, confirmed my doubts - the author is something ... from the Matrix. Programmer, in the brain.
        No wonder everyone cares.
  4. +8
    26 May 2013 07: 30
    Yes, read men come in handy ... The brain has a good property, it forgets all unnecessary
  5. +18
    26 May 2013 07: 30
    Author: this happens initially, because the work, city and country are actually not quite their own. They want to feel their own, but the feeling collapses under the pressure of the realization that all this is some very complicated tools for wringing and laundering money by third parties whose intentions are foggy and mercantile.

    In my opinion, this is the essence of the problem raised by the author.
    1. donchepano
      +3
      26 May 2013 07: 46
      Quote: Just Vasilich
      In my opinion, this is the essence of the problem,

      it was possible for the author to put it shorter
      1. +5
        26 May 2013 08: 30
        Donchepano: it was possible for the author and shorter to state this

        The author went the way of describing various manifestations of the phenomenon of indifference in our everyday life. There were many manifestations - hence the volume of the article ...

        Still to pay attention to the reasons for the heyday of indifference, but this requires civic courage ... and the amount of material hi
        1. fisherman
          +10
          26 May 2013 08: 44
          forgive my immodesty, but it seems to me that the reasons for the universal (as the author put it) indifference are very easily identified - this is the social "value-priority" that appeared in the early 90s - "the main thing is money" :)

          and this maxim very easily entered our everyday life, because it seemed to us all that it was the invisible hand of the market that would turn Soviet society into a Western-type society ...
    2. sams
      +8
      26 May 2013 10: 57
      "If the goal is also great, then the Russian accomplishes the feat with an amazing scope. But if there is no goal, or it is unworthy or unfair, then he absolutely does not care."
      And why be surprised if instead of the National Idea we have launched such a program:
      (without decryption)
      I. Retention of power
      II. Ideology
      III. Denationalization
      IV. Elimination of freedom of activity
      V. Inhibition of development
      VI. Destruction of the enemy by assimilation as a humane form of genocide
      VII. Bringing and maintaining in an atmosphere of poverty and lack of rights
      Viii. Mass debilitation
      IX. Psychotropic combat drugs that change the human psyche
      X. Methods of Enough Mass Etching
      Xi. Reduction of numbers to reasonable limits by hidden forms of genocide in secret unilateral war
      XII. Open genocide reduction
      Xiii. Destruction of the enemy by controlled medicine
      Xiv. Actions through controlled media
      Xv. Widespread and daily mockery of the enemy
  6. +9
    26 May 2013 07: 39
    not for the sake of hanging labels ... "Alexey Kravetsky
    Was born in 1978 in Moscow. Programmer, publicist, blogger ... "the author of the article needs to get out of the Moscow Ring Road more often.
    1. 0
      26 May 2013 20: 56
      My God, at such a young age and with such a depresnyak ?! Apparently, to the author of the article the concept of internal discipline and self-organization is unusual, there is a lack of army roots in any manifestation. Which of the military commissars are there?
  7. +6
    26 May 2013 07: 47
    Unfortunately, we must admit that much of what the author writes about is the place to be!
    But this doesn’t seem to apply to Military Review ...
  8. +19
    26 May 2013 07: 48
    The article in the topic of HE. Hypertrophied, evil, but true. Rod, there is no incentive for many. Here are the satellites of phobos-soil in the ground, foolishly lit tank with ammunition drags to the gas station another tank with ammunition, the commander (OFFICER!) Extorts money from his pilots. This is all skinny work that at the level of theft. And, first of all, the thin work of those who are obliged to offer the people a worthy goal. And how can they offer this, if the people say - Volodya, you look around who you are in your inner circle, first teach them patriotism and teach them not to fall apart!
  9. -6
    26 May 2013 07: 50
    The article is sheer tediousness, especially on Sunday! In the morning! In the spring!
    1. +3
      26 May 2013 16: 48
      Do not trust anyone .. especially cons ..
      I'm with you ... break through.
      1. -1
        26 May 2013 22: 37
        Break through, of course! What about the cons? So, there are no indifferent! This makes me happy!
  10. +8
    26 May 2013 07: 56
    Interesting, Maybe even true, but for Moscow. I have long been convinced that Russia and Moscow are different countries.
    1. 0
      26 May 2013 21: 02
      Quote: Gardamir
      Interesting, Maybe even true, but for Moscow

      And what, in the village of Gadyukino, someone increases productivity, straightened rickety fences and patched leaky roofs? Just for Moscow this is not very true. There are, of course, individual responsible comrades, but the deeper into the province, the more relevant the article. If you are in the province and carefully look around.
      1. fisherman
        +1
        26 May 2013 21: 39
        I am constantly in the provinces, and I can confirm the thesis of Gardamir ...

        where there are fewer modern intellectuals, traditional foundations are stronger ...
        1. -2
          27 May 2013 21: 44
          Quote: fisherman
          I am constantly in the provinces, and I can confirm the thesis of Gardamir ...

          And what is the ellipsis? Not sure what you can confirm? What are the provincial villages you visit?

          Quote: fisherman
          where there are fewer modern intellectuals, traditional foundations are stronger ...

          Again the ellipsis! It seems to me that you are that modern intellectual? :) In the Dagestan countryside, the traditional foundations are stronger than in the middle lane. Do not we have intellectuals in the village? Or do lovers of moonshine and port wine now fall into the intellectuals?
          1. alexandr00070
            0
            27 May 2013 22: 28
            Quote: bot.su
            Do not we have intellectuals in the village? Or do lovers of moonshine and port wine now fall into the intellectuals?

            Yes, you are an enemy now, millions of people have offended those who feed and water you (by the way, they are not lovers of moonshine and port), remember the BOTAN village is not only collective farms, but also a place of residence and rest from the city and such BOTAN people like you who turned cities into psychological trash. Where traditions are strong, they don’t sing by the way, they just work for themselves, the family and the state. And by the way, in the village there are a lot of intellectuals (not corrupt liberal intelligentsia), namely intellectuals with unspoiled politics and city life looking at our reality. By the way, the great classics could create their works in the village.
            1. -2
              27 May 2013 23: 48
              Quote: alexandr00070
              Yes, you are an enemy now millions of people have offended

              Hear you, offended, you don’t decide for a million!

              You can’t understand what people are talking about, so you ask, it’s easier to explain to you. You tell me about those who feed me and intellectuals, do not tell me, even though I’m a nerd, in my youth I did not only maintain my athletic form in the gym, but also in the field and on haymaking. And now I often visit rural areas, and not in the suburbs, although I have been there before.
              I don’t know what they don’t sing about, where traditions are strong. Maybe they don’t drink all the same? recourse
              In general, I approve of patriotism! But I advise, while resting from the city, to read those classics about whom you broadcast! Even if you don't understand, you can at least learn Russian, "intellectual". And this is not necessary in the city to rummage in psychological garbage dumps. Go to the museum, the theater, the library, change your social circle.
              The country needs cultural, educated people.
  11. Warrawar
    +6
    26 May 2013 08: 02
    There are fair points in the article, but most are clearly exaggerated and can generally be attributed to almost any country in the world.
    But still in Russia, much needs to be changed and redone, which would be human.
    Well, you need to start with yourself - if everyone does a little good thing, then the overall contribution will be huge.
    1. fisherman
      +1
      26 May 2013 08: 47
      absolutely ...

      that is, the "theory of small deeds" and at least one "sacrificial generation" ...
      1. Warrawar
        +3
        26 May 2013 11: 33
        Quote: fisherman
        that is, the "theory of small deeds" and at least one "sacrificial generation" ...

        Yes, don’t even have to sacrifice ... just do it for yourself.
        For example, there is such a stereotype about rickety fences in Russia. Well, it's true, you can often stumble upon this phenomenon. But if the owner would have taken and made a fence for himself and the others followed his example, then no one would have poked more that "they say you have lopsided fences there."
        1. fisherman
          +4
          26 May 2013 17: 25
          just an exaggerated name - it is easy to remember, and besides, really, when you explain it, for many it looks like a VICTIM :))

          the state should correct the fences for them, they themselves are intended only for high purposes - for example, to reform the Kremlin :)

          by the way, a very revealing comment -

          "the power of the people of the USSR has already been drank, divided and the division is legalized, that is, it will not be possible to get rich quickly. It is also impossible to get rich by working hard, due to the corruption of the state. And wealth is the highest value of the modern Russian Federation" (c)

          it was he who got the most votes +

          these are stupid Finns and the Germans are looking for "slow" solutions, but ours are only interested in the slogan of the temporary workers - "here and now" ... this is the problem, this imp has long been inside us ...

          only victim
  12. Ruslan_F38
    +4
    26 May 2013 08: 02
    I put the article a plus, everything is correct, especially this: "In any institution, be it public or private, you will hardly meet people who work. More precisely, there are many who are busy with something, and many are even engaged in what is partly like doing However, the inefficiency of their work is so high that their occupation looks more like a cynical mockery of these very responsibilities.It is as if the whole company consists of satirists, furiously mocking the production process.
    The official who makes fun of the administrative work does not at all entertain the visitors - he tries to humiliate them in every possible way. Instead of helping them, visitors, who, it is possible, are here for the first time and, naturally, do not know how and what it is customary to arrange here, the official yells at them, demands that they constantly redo something, rewrite, re-register, although he himself, seems unable to enumerate clearly what is required of them. "
  13. +8
    26 May 2013 08: 10
    I completely agree. To a greater extent, managers and officials at all levels are more likely to pretend that they are working. To a greater extent they are engaged in their personal affairs.
  14. +3
    26 May 2013 08: 31
    "This is all a consequence of the fact that no one cares. People do not care what they do, or how they do it." - the author somehow took it and fucked everyone up! Not everyone cares!
    1. +3
      26 May 2013 11: 25
      Quote: taseka
      "This is all a consequence of the fact that no one cares. People do not care what they do, or how they do it." - the author somehow took it and fucked everyone up! Not everyone cares!

      He probably lives on a cloud, does not eat, does not drink, does not pee, does not poop, does not wash, does not use transport, electricity, the Internet, the phone, does not watch TV, walks barefoot and naked.
      Or he is the same as everyone, uses everything, but believes that all this appears and works by itself or is created by a miracle.
      Mr. nation must be sent from time to time to rest in the northern resorts, ride cars, cut down forests, mine stone, or at least do seasonal agricultural work so that they cease to live in a world of illusions, learn about reality and do not cry out for the Russian people.
  15. +8
    26 May 2013 08: 38
    Hi guys.
    Went on Saturday to Moscow, to the bank.
    To the duty office.
    So, surprisingly, the young woman completed her work in such a detailed, qualified way - without screaming, without the need to redo it, without instructions - Read, Read, I’m not going to work for you.
    I emphasize - on SATURDAY. In Moscow.
    True, it was at Varshavka, 95. Which is almost the same - ZAMKADYU, where, as you know - there is no life.
    ...
    The author is a system administrator. As they say - I give a tooth.
    Only this category of specialists has the highest degree of self-conceit, self-worth.
    Only sysadmins work, all the rest are malicious pests with crooked hands, dreaming only about FreeCelle. (Computer Solitaire if anyone is not up to date.)
    And, since I myself am a LAN engineer, I know this category - always vicious and displeased.
    There are exceptions. Although it pleases. "And I live, just ran away !!!"
    ...
    Let's live guys!
    Especially in the morning on Sunday.
    1. Warrawar
      +1
      26 May 2013 11: 39
      Well, a bank employee should help clients - this is his job. In the same way, employees of other institutions should be polite and help customers, this is their responsibility. Moreover, we live under capitalism, and in this system the client always votes in rubles and if he gets naughty somewhere, then he will no longer come to this place and tell his friends that they would not come.
      Therefore, the idea of ​​widespread rudeness is clearly sucked from the finger. If somewhere and they are naughty then this is a rare exception.
  16. +2
    26 May 2013 08: 38
    not all, but many. I agree with the author.
  17. +3
    26 May 2013 08: 46
    The author is definitely depressed. I got stuck on one side, and there are so many of them.
  18. fisherman
    +4
    26 May 2013 08: 53
    There is one drawback to the article, no offense to the author, it was necessary with the same worldly wisdom to indicate a way to dramatically increase the "efficiency of work" in the field - I'm talking about banknotes ...

    so, as soon as you show them, then this same nonsense does not just disappear, instead of it an unprecedented zeal appears ...

    I won’t be surprised if, in their free time from their direct studies, these indifferents angrily denounce corrupt and thieving businessmen-deputies-officials on the Internet.
    1. +3
      26 May 2013 22: 07
      I was convinced repeatedly that the increase in the payment of banknotes increases the ostentatious zeal, and then for a couple of months, then the repetition comes - "they pay little, what do you want from us for such a small salary?"
      1. fisherman
        0
        26 May 2013 23: 18
        Well, yes ... that is why for our civil society, spiritual bonds are an order of magnitude more important than material achievements, it’s only people with teenage brains who need to pour money on everything ...
  19. 0
    26 May 2013 09: 03
    Interestingly, does the author of the article have a favorite hobby?
  20. +13
    26 May 2013 09: 19
    Interestingly fellow
    It seems that all smart people and everyone reads the same text, but everyone understands their own.
    I saw the core idea of ​​the material in this:

    "If we see that behind our deed not worth some idea - feed everyone, give everyone housing, discover, walk, accomplish something global, come in the distant future somewhere, where we went now, then everyone will not care ".

    In one form or another, the author repeats it several times.
    The topic is generally serious. Individualism, as history has shown, abhors us. We need a messianic, just idea of ​​society. Her is dumb. From this - do not care.
    In addition, the author "walked" along the right liberal ideology. Which preaches, as a panacea, equality of opportunities, "everyone - for himself," "law for all," etc.

    "Perhaps other nations know a way to work well just for money. But we can't do that."

    Article plus. Very consonant with my thoughts hi
    1. fisherman
      0
      26 May 2013 17: 35
      in the Message for the first time it was said about spiritual bonds (they are also called vertical or questions of Quality, not quantity)
  21. +4
    26 May 2013 09: 39
    The author is right, and not only in the apparatus of officials. With the advent of the concept of manager, the entire labor process gradually falls into turning real work into a dig process from here to lunch.
  22. a
    a
    +4
    26 May 2013 09: 44
    maybe the author described everything a little lyrically, but on the whole everything is correct. the main problems are that we are not our own masters, our own work. laziness and indifference. a mass of paternalistic minded people. and the state does nothing to remedy the situation. moreover, this state of affairs is partly even beneficial to the state - it is easier to manage such "non-owners"
  23. +1
    26 May 2013 09: 46
    Worthy, fair purpose


    Without a doubt. Article plus.
    And I will allow myself - that the majority of our fellow citizens do not care, Putin is undoubtedly to blame. Gentlemen, anti-Putinists, is the "deflection" included?
    1. +7
      26 May 2013 11: 05
      Putin is undoubtedly to blame for the fact that most of our fellow citizens do not care

      Of course, he was to blame, and not some Siberian Cranes, they were in the south all winter.
      The cat left the kittens.
      This is Putin's fault.
      The hare was thrown by the mistress.
      Guilty Guess!
      Here ends the board
      The poor bull.
      Our Tanya is crying loudly.
      Near Putin, not otherwise.
      The light went out, the fence fell,
      The car stalled motor
      Healthy tooth removed
      Ile climbed into the apartment thief
      Did not like the movie,
      You have come to r ... but.
      Any cataclysm
      One explanation:
      Every democrat knows
      This is Putin's fault!
      1. 0
        26 May 2013 11: 38
        For a Jewess who shot the leader
        For the fact that she missed
  24. Body
    +6
    26 May 2013 09: 51
    a very necessary article, this is exactly what lies in my head for quite some time. Now I will have something to refer to !!! Yes, I’d better keep it in my text if the article is suddenly deleted. Thanks to the author!
  25. +10
    26 May 2013 09: 52
    The author is a plus.

    Most of the population is in a state of indifference. Especially rural areas.
    And blaming the author for depression does not make sense if the fact is the place to be! Not the author to blame! It just describes the problem.
    1. +5
      26 May 2013 10: 05
      Well, no one blames the author of the article for depression by and large. The problem of "do not care" really exists to a greater extent of society's withdrawal from spiritual values ​​to more and more imposing "values" of consumption and so-called tolerance.
    2. +4
      26 May 2013 10: 55
      Most of the population is in a state of indifference. Especially rural areas.

      Rural areas cannot be in a state of indifference, you won’t drown in the village, you won’t rush there, there are no supermarkets there, you have to feed yourself. A cow or a pig is not a machine; you cannot turn it off.
      The same applies to most of the population, utilities, transport, shops, factories, power plants, etc. etc. work. All that we consume is done by hands, and not from the sky fell. Miracles do not happen and the old Hottabychs do not see something
    3. +5
      26 May 2013 11: 53
      Quote: aviamed90
      Most of the population is in a state of indifference. Especially rural areas.


      They don’t know such words because in the modern village, indifference is death. There, people just fight for life
  26. -4
    26 May 2013 09: 57
    Respect, honored author Alexey Kravetsky! As you already got with your "funeral marches" !!!
    If you have NO (!) Business proposals, please (!) Do not come to our defense industry "to visit" ... Russian readers have already "sobbed". Only the Pentagon's giggle ... and rubbing their hands. No, I'm not saying that you are part-time for such "literature" (DO NOT pull!), BUT (!) ... what the hell is not kidding, WHOM do you work for?
    YES, and the trouble is not "what are you croaking and from what feeding trough you eat", the trouble is that our young generation, because of such "pisi-misists", give up and do not want to change everything for the better! You have, "Mind is NOT enough for business advice or conversations !!!", and after the leftovers thrown out of the Pentagon for such pissssaks - the case has already been shown more than once ("for the talkative croaks")!
    BITCH ... YOU !!! AND ALL TO YOU DO NOT ...
    1. Body
      +7
      26 May 2013 10: 05
      I do not agree. The author points to a VERY TOPICAL problem !!! which our people do not even notice. This is a disaster nationwide.

      I would add here that labor efficiency is killed by unnecessary work. A bunch of people go to study for managers and other plankton. And well, if they were studying, and most people just pay money to get a crust later. The level of education of the people is low.

      It pisses me off how the drivers tell me how they pull gasoline, how a guy in the army stole everything that lies and was in business with the head of the department. And this situation is widespread everywhere and is considered as + in karma, like "not a sucker".

      Everyone thinks only of themselves. In general, people can be understood - the state in the 90s really raped them and now it’s like revenge. But there were reasons for that ..

      Continuing to ruin the state taking care only of oneself is impossible. This state is us, we need to understand this.
      1. +2
        26 May 2013 10: 32
        My dear, "Body", now the discussions are carried out with lightning speed and immediately on the air, THEREFORE, do not rush to plant "dirt" in the streets ... OUR children follow us !!! If there are (and they certainly ARE!) Failures, etc. ... "Moscow was not built right away" ... DO NOT rush to rant to all the World ... HERE (according to the rules of capitalism (!) "Anti-advertising" will be created against US , all of Russia, all of our people !!! AND WHAT YOU have the right to THIS ??????????
        PS "Let them shove democracy into their own ...!"
        1. +4
          26 May 2013 11: 30
          And I also want to add! About billions of dollars, at the Pentagon, for the introduction of the "swamp" thinking of the peoples in Russia. If you look "on the right" on your screen, you will see, apart from the "Armata ..." tanks, some strange articles, like "What could be the last and terrible war between Russia and the United States." Read carefully, the same manner of "pissimism ..." And what about, anyway WE will win (?) - THIS is for OUR reader to be a little "happy" that WE ...
          In a word, THERE ARE THEY (!) GUYS from the Pentagon ...
          PS From the article:
          "... And you know what the guy is?
          You will stop them. Yes, yes, this is exactly what you will do, and then you will stop them again in another place, and then you will drive them back, and remember my word, you will plant a flag in the ruins of their capital. "


          THINK RUSSIAN MAN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
          1. +4
            26 May 2013 11: 39
            Vasilich, shake my hand ....
            I will fully support - we do not need whiners!
            We ourselves are whiners - give the way.
    2. ttttt
      +2
      26 May 2013 15: 25
      No, wait, dear, why are you chasing him from the defense industry for everyone? A normal article, the more the author clearly conveyed the main idea, and I personally completely agree with him. But the thought is that a Russian person cannot live without a great goal. As the saying goes, give the Russian boy a map of the starry sky, and he will give it to you corrected in the morning. Good luck. I have the honor. wink
  27. zol1
    -8
    26 May 2013 10: 08
    We can agree on something, but overall this is a Jewish article about the worthlessness of the Russian nation and the need to free up the space it occupies for the chosen Jews of God !!!
  28. +3
    26 May 2013 10: 10
    Quote: carver
    The author is right, and not only in the apparatus of officials. With the advent of the concept of manager, the entire labor process gradually falls into turning real work into a dig process from here to lunch.

    I agree.!! Any work should bring satisfaction .. but not a dumb concept of how we get hammered in making money .. and then buy something .. Sometimes you think you solve problems and even talk in a dream at night (my wife listened ..) .. then it worked out !! although they don’t pay money for it, but still proud inside .. (though the wife is bustling ..) winked For money it’s good to work of course .. only they kill creativity ..
  29. fenix57
    +6
    26 May 2013 10: 26
    Quote: treskoed
    especially on sunday! In the morning! In the spring!

    Spring, morning, sunday ...:
    A sick pessimist asks how much he has left to live with a cuckoo.
    A sick optimist - at the woodpecker.



    Optimists invented the plane, pessimists - the catapult and anti-aircraft guns;
    Optimists invented the car, pessimists - airbags, traffic lights and traffic cops;
    Optimists invented a chainsaw, pessimists - prosthetics of limbs;
    Optimists invented God, pessimists described hell in detail;
    Optimists cooked caramel, pessimists invented a drill.
  30. +1
    26 May 2013 10: 30
    Quote: fenix57
    Quote: treskoed
    especially on sunday! In the morning! In the spring!

    Spring, morning, sunday ...:
    A sick pessimist asks how much he has left to live with a cuckoo.
    A sick optimist - at the woodpecker.



    Optimists invented the plane, pessimists - the catapult and anti-aircraft guns;
    Optimists invented the car, pessimists - airbags, traffic lights and traffic cops;
    Optimists invented a chainsaw, pessimists - prosthetics of limbs;
    Optimists invented God, pessimists described hell in detail;
    Optimists cooked caramel, pessimists invented a drill.

    laughing
  31. +4
    26 May 2013 10: 39
    It seems that the author on the eve of a little overdid it in outdoor activities. In short, a friend's hangover.
  32. Meaning
    +4
    26 May 2013 10: 41
    Give people a worthy goal, preferably unifying, and we will turn the mountains
    1. 0
      26 May 2013 21: 10
      Yes, yes! It’s the mountains! And also, give us at least something! And then we have both hands and heads ..., in short GIVE !!! This consumer relationship comes from somewhere, why an adult, a man is not able to decide something himself, for example, where to work and how to do it. Why someone should give something to someone, but they haven’t tried to live with their own heads! IMHO there is no other way to get rid of such depresnyak, sorry, the doctors have it!
  33. +5
    26 May 2013 10: 44
    There is no state ideology for the people, there is no goal where society should develop, hence the feeling of the routine of life ...
    Leased other people's goals and values, the Russian people are alien and have been crushing for more than 20 years ...

    I personally feel the inevitable war, as it were, that this is the only way out of the gloom of the soul, in view of the stolen goal, for which ideologists of the USSR have been preparing people like me for more than 20 years ...

    I will forget sadness, sadness, longing
    And I'll go to the fair
    To the fun fair of miracles
    I’ll ride through the mountains, through the forest,
    To the fun fair of miracles ...

    The Anglo-Saxon "fair of life" is weary, and the old one, where the soul sang and danced, and from Monday to work as a holiday, will obviously not be returned ...

    Or is there still hope? Huh guys?
    1. a
      a
      -4
      26 May 2013 10: 51
      to live well- does this mean leased other people's values? and what are our values ​​then? live in a dermis, stand in lines, buy in a trihoroda from farmers ??
      and when we have people from Monday to work like a holiday that went ??? even during the Soviet era, this was not the case. even during the union there was a saying "Monday is a hard day."
      I would like to disappoint you - for you there is no hope of returning to that dim and gray life with products on cards.
  34. +8
    26 May 2013 10: 45
    I read the article and as if I was younger by twenty five-thirty years. In those years, such writings would have gone out in Ogonyok or in Arguments and Facts. There were such perestroika publications, working in the field of merciless, emotional and scientific criticism of everything and everyone. They took the truth as a basis, added conjectures and fantasies of the authors abundantly, then multiplied it all into the grotesque. The then office plankton (numerous employees of research institutes, design bureaus, all kinds of sharashka, professors, students, etc.) in kitchens and at work, discussing such publications, brought themselves to orgasm. Such was the popular fun of the then creative class, more like political masturbation.
    A little pity the author. Born late in the day. And it would be quite possible to become an active Yeltsinoid or Gaidarost, even one of the founding fathers of the Yabloko party or the foreman of perestroika. However, there is a similar public now, but it does not hang around VO, but mainly around the “Ear of Moscow”, etc. There such a publication would possibly gain more advantages, although it is also not a fact. Therefore, it seems that the author not only relishes the shortcomings, but also would like them not to exist, but does not know how to do it. And this "Wuhu Moscow" does not roll, they have another task, to enjoy, at least. In general, when you read these critical publications, the question immediately arises. WHY is it written? The reasons are different and diametrically opposite.
    1. Open the ulcer and try to cure it
    2. Show off
    3. Activate and include all ideas and tools of NIHILISM for self-destruction and self-destruction of the existing not ideal, but very real and productive society

    In addition, always involuntarily pay attention to the author's name. It's no secret that the majority of critics, humorists, satirists, anonymists, revolutionaries, Protestants ...... are they mostly people of a certain nationality or their half-breeds? Nor should NEVER forget the commandments of King Solomon to Jews living in the diaspora:
    "Sly and hypocritically, sow disbelief and doubt around you, blasphemy and sneak, debauchery and vices, ridicule the customs and customs of the goyim, their language and beliefs, make the goyim landless"
    Carefully read each word, attach to it your life experience and knowledge, the experience of others, and YOU may find a universal decoder and answering machine for the eternal question: why is it written?
  35. +10
    26 May 2013 10: 46
    Author Alexey Kravetsky, yes you need a friend to a psychiatrist turn to.
    Or do you communicate with the contingent, where several Napoleons live and green people live.
    I am retired, I am over 60 years old, I live an active life. As far as possible I help children, grandchildren. We live all separately. Rare minutes of meetings turn into family holidays, neighbors always come to share their joys, problems. Children pay a mortgage for housing, so the situation with payments does not allow to relax.
    Drunkards, addicts, thank God there are neither among relatives nor among neighbors. Living has always been difficult. And honestly, human life is always overcoming difficulties. If there are no problems, then you have died.
    The purpose of everyone’s life should be a worthy way out of any life situation. When our life’s problem is overcome, I always hug my wife and say:"Look, we did it!" And I hug her often.
    1. +4
      26 May 2013 10: 52
      +++ Bravo, support! good
    2. +8
      26 May 2013 11: 43
      Dear 60 year old brother! Thank you for staying with us in the ranks !!!
    3. djon3volta
      +2
      26 May 2013 13: 27
      Quote: individ
      Living has always been difficult.

      difficult to live - more interesting to live. I think so.
      when it’s easy to live - then really do not care. to see the author is boring to live, because there are no problems. probably the author of these

      1. +4
        26 May 2013 15: 47
        Nothing in the song, that you have 0 intelligence. It is indicative of a video, especially about a prostitute, but the wife is on the side. Dumb animal fool
      2. +2
        26 May 2013 15: 57
        Quote: djon3volta
        difficult to live - more interesting to live. I think so.

        Your logic is incomparable!

        Nam United Russia shines in the twilight of nights
        Life is getting better and more fun.
        We are led by the hand of a tandem - revealing miracles!
        Only the light of Ed-Ra blinding us does not warm ...!

        How many plans and searches, there are big thoughts about the PEOPLE.
        But so far we have not seen any changes!
        Life is getting better with huckster officials!
        Well, we’re all the more fun-we want to cry sobbing!

        First of all, one must live worthily, calmly and with confidence in the future!
      3. +1
        27 May 2013 00: 13
        this song is about 15 years old, then he steadied over the generation of "Pepsi", and now it is much worse ...
  36. +2
    26 May 2013 10: 47

    In any institution, whether it is public or private, you will hardly find people who work. More precisely, there are many busy with something, and many are even busy with what is partly similar to the performance of official duties. However, the inefficiency of their work is so high that their occupation looks more like a cynical mockery of these very duties.


    The article is not bad, but it is not clear why the author is trying to hang everything only in Russian and in Russia?
    All his critical conclusions and attacks are applicable to any country, all people do not like to work if they do not see direct benefits for themselves.
    Good leaders and organizers are not enough everywhere, not because they are few in nature, but because it is rarely encouraged, more often the opposite - the initiative is punishable.
    In the USSR, before perestroika, the attitude to work was different than it is now, they worked for themselves, not for the owners. Now we have everything almost like under capitalism, as described in A. Haley's book "Wheels", "Monday and Friday cars".
  37. +6
    26 May 2013 10: 50
    “Many polyclinics have computers for a long time, but patient records are still paper. Doctors write something in them by hand, they paste new sheets of paper into them, they write the same thing a hundred times, although the computer is already on their desk. "
    Author Alexey Kravetsky

    It seems that the author himself sometimes does not understand or does not know the subject of his criticism.
    Patient cards are still paper because God forbid, they cut off the electricity, why the hell you can download or write from a computer, and you need to accept patients and the patient’s card is a history of his illnesses. The doctor cannot remember what each of his patients was sick with - there are hundreds of them. And most importantly - ALL MEDICAL DOCUMENTS ARE WRITTEN NOT FOR THE SICK OR DOCTOR, but FOR THE PROSECUTOR AND THE INVESTIGATOR !!!
    1. -1
      26 May 2013 16: 02
      And ..to the author .. don’t ...
      he does not understand that the electronic can always be faked, broken, distorted.
      And here - the names of the doctors, their style - on paper - will remain. For a long time.
      There is always someone to plant.
      If there is nothing to reward.
      ..
      To the author - do not care.
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  39. +4
    26 May 2013 10: 53
    Chicken duty to peck and sweep. Do not care for chickens in soup.
    I slept through the dawn somehow and woke up in the high sun with a feeling of something not done. Chickens are not released! He ran as he was, in some truzels, opened the door, and the chickens were sitting with such an air: "Like, man, we've been pecking for two hours already, and you!" Naturally, I had to apologize to them and promise not to do this again.
    But man - it sounds proudly, and nihilists fall into nihilism.
    1. Horde
      +1
      26 May 2013 13: 37
      Quote: shurup
      But man - it sounds proudly, and nihilists fall into nihilism.


      well, you painted a picture "a proud man in panties, apologizes to the chickens at night" - this is not proud laughing
  40. Airman
    +2
    26 May 2013 11: 38
    Very pessimistic article. Apparently, someone really wants to see us like that. Explicitly a custom article.
    1. +7
      26 May 2013 11: 45
      Quote: Povshnik
      Very pessimistic article. Apparently, someone really wants to see us like that. Explicitly a custom article.


      Today I have the first day of rest, he is the last day of vacation, I would have missed this writer in the apprentice, at first with a spatula and then with a shovel .....



  41. 0
    26 May 2013 12: 06
    Here's another thought long gnawing Berezovsky (a world-class rogue) hanged himself .. "I miss Russia" Litvinenko "traitor" his father also repented for his son and himself .. usually all these "figures" end badly ... and the special services have nothing to do with it. ..Abramovich (the head of Chukotka) sits quietly..gad .. !! and others too ..
  42. +5
    26 May 2013 12: 08
    In any institution, whether it is public or private, you will hardly find people who work. More precisely, there are many busy with something, and many are even busy with what is partly similar to the performance of official duties. However, the inefficiency of their work is so high that their occupation looks more like a cynical mockery of these very duties.

    That's what I see young people strive to become officials, lawyers, economists and other office work. And in technical specialties, in factories, enterprises where few people want to work with their hands. And what is interesting, from the TV screens, these same officials, politicians and other white collars talk, urge people to go to factories, enterprises, those specialties and discourage them from going to work in those jobs where they themselves work, obviously guided by the principle that the main thing is I got a job- "took a place in the sun" and the rest is up to me
    1. fisherman
      +1
      26 May 2013 21: 46
      lost generation...
  43. +1
    26 May 2013 12: 20
    The article identifies a problem. The problem is real. Those who do not want to see this problem claim that it does not exist, AND IT IS! Yes, to a greater extent in Moscow, but this only makes it worse, since the processes are more intense in large cities and what is happening in Moscow today, tomorrow - everywhere.
    Opponents and critics of the author are either in a state of optimistic optimism and do not want to admit the obvious, or they read the article diagonally, and, as the article correctly noted, they do not want to make an effort, mentally strain in order to understand the meaning.
    Article plus.
  44. +3
    26 May 2013 12: 26
    In my opinion, the author of this article needs to sleep and rest. fool
  45. +3
    26 May 2013 12: 37
    From Articles
    However, their position is similar to that of a sailor on a sinking ship, watching the rest of the crew sipping a seagull and lazily discussing the color of the boatswain's boots. After all, they are not alone in their work, in their city, in their country. And universal indifference drags them into its abyss.

    The author of this article is just "sipping a tea and lazily discussing the color of the boatswain's shoes ...", CONSIDERING HIMSELF "defeated". It's a pity for him, let it be better to read this statement:
    You consider yourself defeated - and you are defeated
    You consider yourself not worthy - and you are not worthy,
    You consider yourself a loser - and you lose,
    But you could succeed if you knew
    That it begins with the will to win
    And only one Who gains faith in himself will win!
    You consider yourself too weak - and you are too weak
    You consider yourself a failure - and you are a failure
    You consider yourself hurt - and you hurt
    But you could succeed if you knew
    That he begins with self-confidence
    Believe me, and success will find you!
    Remember the simple truth:
    If you want to reach the goal,
    Only go forward, without looking back, without turning off the path,
    And believe: you deserve to find your happiness!

    Walter D. Wintle
    1. 0
      26 May 2013 13: 56
      Quote: morpod
      The author of this article is just "sipping a tea and lazily discussing the color of the boatswain's boots ...", CONSIDERING HIMSELF "defeated".

      This is just your speculation. The author states the fact, but does not approve and promotes it.
      Your desire to defame the author only confirms his innocence and your desire to shut up, ignore this problem.
      Yes, not everyone succumbed to indifference and indifference, but the fact that this phenomenon exists and that it is widespread is undoubted.
    2. 0
      26 May 2013 15: 31
      Quote: morpod

      The author of this article is just "sipping a tea and lazily discussing the color of the boatswain's boots ...", CONSIDERING HIMSELF "defeated".

      You couple, didn’t read the article at all?
      The author speaks of a people who do not have wings, a spirit and a prototype of the "kingdom of God" on earth.
      And you do not understand, start throwing slogans on how to be successful in an individual life :)
      1. +3
        26 May 2013 16: 07
        YES, sir, I always see goals and throw out my slogans so that my students learn how to deal with the difficulties of life. And YOU THAT you saw in this article: ANSWERS, ADVICE or just a nonsense .... Yes, by the way, here's WHAT you like to end with the article you like:
        A Russian labor or military feat is accomplished when he intuitively realizes the real usefulness of this act. The public utility, even if the whole “society” to which the results of this feat will extend, consists of three of its comrades. A Russian accomplishes a feat when behind this feat stands a well-marked and from his point of view a just goal. If the goal is also great, then the Russian accomplishes the feat with a striking imagination. But if the goal is not there or it is unworthy or unfair, then he absolutely doesn’t care.
        1. 0
          26 May 2013 16: 35
          Quote: morpod
          И without global destination his efforts he pretty quickly do not care. AND without goal-oriented comrades he will not care. And no “zealous owner”, no “dictator”, no "business ethics", no "law-is-laws" will pull him out of this state.

          A worthy, fair goal, a direct link between activities and the public good able to create from the Russian uneducated peasant - a great scientist.

          Yes, this is exactly what the article ends with, which speaks of a people living and working without a "global addressee," "without associates," or "a just goal."
          What is the contradiction? Do you personally need this, or do you not consider the highlighted material for the people?
          Individual business training is useless. Here the overwhelming majority of people are successful people. And including me.
    3. 0
      26 May 2013 21: 28
      Yes, the author does not read this! To do this, you need to think, and when? Just thinking, looking, someone somewhere somewhere chopped down or welded, offensive! There is no time to think something.
  46. Horde
    +2
    26 May 2013 12: 59
    article is a description of one's worldview. There were times when we lived poorly, but merrily 50-60g of the last century, the millennium. Now, in my opinion, there is even no such concept ENTUZIAZM.After all, this is precisely the meaning of existence. And now? To what? Several articles passed on fuel how they killed enthusiasm in the Soviet people by introducing an EQUATION, DEFICIENCY.
    He doesn’t care.

    He doesn't even care about the TV he watches. No matter what they show. It is just a background that allows him to disconnect for a while from the reality otsofigevsheyu him. Do not observe an alternative reality, no, just disconnect from the one in which he constantly lives. This is just hypnosis.


    even! TV in general is a separate sore subject - it is a tool for introducing LIE, vulgarity, insanity, lack of spirituality, stupefying meaningless information about anything into society, TV is just a picture with endless advertising diluted with nauseous, stupid programs ABOUT NON-EXISTING PROBLEMS. But is the percentage of TV sales declining? NO. Values ​​are being replaced in society, and judging by the responses of a part of the forum to this article, the replacement is successful. "If society does not have differentiation by the color of trousers, then there is no goal," such a way of life "do not care" will be the goal of the new society.
    There were articles of this kind when fuel mouse fuss called PAYMENT FOR WORK in many organizations is a HIDDEN UNEMPLOYMENT ALLOWANCE. And it doesn’t matter if you work better or if the assessment of your activity system will be very different from your own.

    The employee can not look for ways to improve production, if the only purpose thereof is to increase the amount of money in someone’s pocket.

    A scientist can not investigate something, if this study is only for a tick. To "master the budget."


    we understand that such a very important principle for every Russian, how JUSTICE is completely buried and buried in this country, spending 8 hours every day and realizing that you are not working for the country, not for the people, not for yourself personally, but for that uncle, who can change the rules of the game at any time, make happy - raise wages or make it unhappy to lower it, or even kick it out under some pretext. In that country we knew that we are part of society and society reckons with us, and now we are not a part, everyone is on his own and not a cautious word or "body movement" and the prospect of staying on the street becomes obvious. In a big city like Moscow, the prospect of changing one pointless one, working for the same one to make money is quite simple, so there is a feeling of NOT INVOLVEMENT in the realization of one's capabilities and for someone in the souls protest against the "indifferent" existence, like the author, is growing, while for others it is already elevated to the rank of the meaning of life.
    Where is the world heading?
    1. +2
      26 May 2013 13: 41
      Horde
      Totally agree good drinks
  47. 1st_user
    +1
    26 May 2013 13: 05
    Here's a concrete example of patient cards in hospitals. In order to transfer all this to electronic document management, we also need money: we need to hire someone who will do this and will train employees in the hospital. And as always there is no money: almost nothing is allocated to the MUZ, and so it is also stolen. It is possible to force the workers themselves to learn new things according to self-instruction books, but they will require an increase in the salary for this, which again needs money.
    But in private paid clinics, everything was initially on electronic document management.
    In general, half of the above problems can be solved with money. But who wants to spend money on?
    The same applies to street signs and house numbers: maybe the money was allocated for this, only mysteriously evaporated in the pockets of officials.
    1. Atlon
      +2
      26 May 2013 13: 26
      Quote: 1st_user
      In general, half of the above problems can be solved with money. But who wants to spend money on?

      It's a delusion! Many people say: "for such a salary, say thank you that I just came!" But it is impossible to raise wages without increasing labor productivity! Productivity is PRIMARY, it creates wages! You can, of course, print ... But then inflation will eat up these "incomes" before productivity has time to rise. Yes, and she will not rise ... After all, the salary was raised? Well, why work hard?

      Quote: 1st_user
      The same applies to street signs and house numbers: maybe the money was allocated for this, only mysteriously evaporated in the pockets of officials.

      Maybe ... but what hinders if the house is private, to put a sign on it yourself? And if the house is multi-family, it’s even easier! How much does it cost to order such a tablet at the nearest advertising agency having thrown off all tenants for 3 copecks? You can blame officials and employers as much as you like, but officials left the people, and at one time, in their yard, they also did not bother to screw a light bulb, or pick up a cigarette butt. So why would they do this now?
      1. 1st_user
        0
        26 May 2013 22: 35
        They always hang on a private house. And the fact that the house is private is not indicated in the article above. These were apartment buildings, of which there are really many without tablets. The problem of modernity is that even in a two-story 16-apartment building it is difficult to chip in 3 kopecks at times, and sometimes it can be difficult, but in a house with 8 entrances of 36 apartments, as we have, for example, there are 288 apartments, half of which are for rent rent or drunks live there, there is no organization at all. What an epic drama for intercoms was worth!
    2. 0
      26 May 2013 20: 30
      About informatization in medical institutions, I could write a book and more than one. In the first VO, I am a systems engineer and worked in the field of IT in various structures and in different positions. So there is nothing simpler than medical information systems (everything is stupid and trivial) and there is nothing more complicated than the implementation of this IP in healthcare facilities.
      In general, if it weren’t for the theft that is in medicine, then even in the rural UB or the Central District Hospital there were gold toilets. Sad but true.
      1. fisherman
        +1
        26 May 2013 21: 50
        the main idea is that you can’t fill the problem with money, more and more will be needed, while our people will be worse and worse ...
  48. +1
    26 May 2013 13: 18
    article plus definitely! even now (not to mention youth) I am always surprised at this nonsense and there’s nothing to be done about it. It’s as if you run into a wall of incomprehension (do you need anything more?!?) or (Oh! you earn pluses!) Yes, and nobody (practically) wants to work. Most likely, trade is booming, so I bought it cheaply and sold it expensive.
  49. Horde
    -1
    26 May 2013 13: 22
    Quote: morpod
    Walter D. Wintle


    have you seen enough Hollywood movies? You can consider yourself not conquered even a million times in your soul, using poems of this kind for your own stimulation, in which the same concept is duplicated by synonyms to give some meaning, but I only advise you not to use Hollywood products especially at night and then understanding will come their REAL capabilities. In general, a wintle to help you.
    1. +2
      26 May 2013 16: 17
      No, sir! If I had cited the "verse" (words) from the Russian fable about the "dragonfly and the ant", then those who saw the "do not care" and were disappointed in Russia would not understand! Therefore, FOR THEM I cite "shtatovskie"
      stimulation of this kind of rhyme in which the same concept is replicated by synonyms to give some meaning
      1. Horde
        -1
        26 May 2013 17: 36
        Quote: morpod
        from the Russian fable about "a dragonfly and an ant", then those who saw "do not care" and were disappointed in Russia would not understand!


        In general, "dragonfly and ant" our work and the Russian people are of course more understandable - the meaning got what he deserved, it's a pity just not to the place of the current discussion, but your quote "never give up" looks more like making a good face in a bad game. For example, Putin got 64% in the elections in my opinion, and many others - an open lie, or the abomination of juvenile justice, or the vileness of education reform, or Serdyukovism, but this is state policy. You propose not to surrender, but according to the laws of this state, this is an article, extremism, so you can continue to fight or think so, but already in prison. It's a pity that everything is so, but so far it is not really possible to do something. I think so? because I see that there is no real opposition - opposition, all dissent, or rather dissent, is successfully suppressed, and hence the disappointment.
        1. +2
          26 May 2013 18: 46
          Why do I think so? because I see that there is no real opposition to the opposition, all dissent or, rather, inaction is successfully suppressed, and hence disappointment.

          - To each his own! Ah, the seaman! On such is Russia and stood! AND WILL stand, we are many !, those that you think
          -the sense got what it deserved, it's a pity it's not in the place of the current discussion, but your quote "never give up" looks more like making a good face in a bad game.
          ... It's just that there is no time for all sorts of "nofigists" gossip!
          1. Horde
            -1
            26 May 2013 18: 59
            Quote: morprepud
            Ah, the seaman! On such is Russia and stood!

            Russia never used an alien Anglo-Saxon worldview, but always derived strength from its own culture.
            1. +1
              26 May 2013 21: 38
              It’s not true! Apparently you taught history poorly, Russia always scooped up all the best, and the savvy people of Russia embodied everything taken in metal, stone, painting, sculpture! Read about our artists, architects, engineers! And it’s harmless to go to museums.
  50. KononAV
    +4
    26 May 2013 13: 32
    Extremely subjective article, I did not like raking everyone under one comb.
  51. Vladomir
    +4
    26 May 2013 14: 04
    In my opinion, people do not have an idea, a worldview, an ideology that sets a person up and gives meaning to his activities. Man does not live by bread alone. Maybe an American, a Japanese... will be satisfied with only a piece of bread... For a Russian, due to the breadth of his nature, this is not enough. The idea of ​​patriotism and self-sacrifice for the sake of higher ideals (which is trifles for the sake of a piece of bread) has always moved and raised a person from the gray mass of ordinary people, allowing him to work miracles. And created Great Empires. And so, without an idea, mouse fuss, setting each other up for the sake of proximity to the authorities and access to a sweeter piece, leads to nihilism and charisma.
  52. Nicotine 7
    +2
    26 May 2013 14: 06
    What’s really pleasing is the “healthy” reaction of the forum. Not all is lost. wink
  53. optimist
    +2
    26 May 2013 14: 16
    But the author is ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!!!! what
  54. +3
    26 May 2013 14: 49
    A person is like a frog in water that is slowly heated to boiling water. She doesn't notice that she will soon be boiled alive. So we don’t notice that we may be standing on the edge of an abyss.
  55. Volkhov
    +3
    26 May 2013 15: 24
    It’s just that now in the Russian Federation there is a chimerical form of government - Zionism has all the power, and the rest don’t care, it’s not theirs. This is also beneficial for the Zionists, because... activity will be directed against them and passivity will be supported by wagons of bromine for water utilities.
    But the Zionists themselves are quite active - look at Lavrov and Shoigu - they poured their mob reserves into the Arab Spring, and soon they will send the army to help their homeland.
    Caucasian mountaineers are also active - it is difficult to fill rivers in the mountains with bromine.
    1. Horde
      +1
      26 May 2013 17: 56
      Quote: Volkhov
      and passivity is maintained by wagons of bromine for water utilities.

      do you have proof? chemical laboratory tests?
      1. Volkhov
        +2
        26 May 2013 21: 46
        Look at the case of the bromine spill at the Chelyabinsk station - a carriage in a 3-liter glass package - this awl came out of the bag. The system works like a carburetor - chlorine and bromine are used together, the proportions change according to circumstances.
  56. +2
    26 May 2013 15: 28
    Who offended the author like that?
  57. CaptainBlack
    +5
    26 May 2013 15: 48
    And what does this topic have to do with the topic of the military site??? Why even post such crap here? And there is so much negativity around. Such topics should be written on the government website, it’s as if no one cares what they think about them...
  58. 0
    26 May 2013 16: 03
    The article, in my opinion, is a hundred times correct. I worked for a certain number of years as a minor official in some well-known government structure, I won’t name it. All hectic activity consists of the daily writing of a huge number of urgent, but completely stupid papers duplicated three times or more. The whole working day is spent drawing up reports, reports, information that I know for sure no one above reads or analyzes. The law even made a dark joke: the number of reporting documents excludes the possibility of reading them. Of course, this really makes everyone care less. Although it is true that there are big problems in real life around us, but seriously, those from which their resolution is possible are not being solved. There is a global cut in cash flows. I don’t even know if we will ever implement the principle: to keep it clean, you just need to take a broom and sweep, but for now we will draw up a countless number of instructions, orders and other crap that we need to keep it clean.
    1. +1
      26 May 2013 17: 16
      Damn, how I understand you... Sergey.
      Only here... in the style of the author I will say - THEY GLOW... the menu is vaguely doubtful...
      ..
      In the same way, you have to fill out a dozen different-sized...electronic magazines every day...
      Recently, it has become very fashionable in the system of government institutions to introduce electronic document management.
      For example, in Gazprom, the MICS system (Marine Engineering Consulting Center) is a particularly popular system for recording contracts developed for the Leningrad Sea Port, coupled with customs.
      Now this is our most popular electronic system. Because no one messes with it. Manual intervention is required every day. Errors abound. Correcting errors is the main activity. Everyone is busy.
      VAL - growing. Recoil - zero.
      I will say more... “the day before yesterday” we used our own system. "Yesterday" - Galaxy. Today 1C is being implemented.
      Do you think someone is teaching someone something?
      Neither systems specialists, nor accountants, nor those attached to them - no one teaches anyone anything!!!
      But why?
      Because - after Tomorrow - we will introduce the system - 2Yu... so that there are no wrinkles on...y!
      ...
      and now once again appreciate the cry from the heart - the system administrator of local area networks!
      He himself taught many people... how to use the electronic system? They don’t want to teach??????
      This is HIS TASK... to teach.
      And he doesn't care...
  59. +2
    26 May 2013 16: 26
    Here's the result for all of you....don't care.
    It turns out - ..not everyone... doesn't care...
    ...
    It’s been a long time since I saw a post from a colleague about Russia and our way of life. So there was an interesting thought, close to me in spirit, but never fully formulated:
    a person on Russian territory knows that all his efforts are nothing against nature. Therefore, he tries to make do with the minimum!
    Needs, labor investments, results.
    That’s why he tries to make do only with what is controlled by HIM PERSONALLY. And allows for multiple repetitions, with a minimum of costs.
    The principle of maximum efficiency is obvious.
    The meaning - maximum efficiency - is obvious.
    ...
    This approach is somehow closer to me.
    ..Although, by and large, I don’t care.
    Let's all die!
  60. 0
    26 May 2013 16: 52
    Cry from the heart... :)
  61. alpiv82
    +4
    26 May 2013 17: 05
    Change the communication pattern between employees. Find out the meaning of a word that he doesn’t know, so every time he tries not to show his ignorance.

    Is the author a Hubbardist? Adherents of the Church of Scientology travel around the country under the guise of “business consultants”, gain the trust of entrepreneurs (draw them into their religion) and then calmly suck money out of companies. The communication scheme is the antediluvian “3 baskets” system. And constantly look in the dictionary (Hubbard) if something is “not clear.” I have been reading HBO for a long time, but after seeing the hidden propaganda of Scientologists, I decided to register. I didn't expect to see this here. Cunning devils, they hooked up a lot of executives, and now our businessmen are implicitly sponsoring the United States through the Church of Scientology.
    1. 0
      26 May 2013 17: 23
      Well, thank you...
      I didn’t delve into these... stupid ones...
      The eyes were opened.
      In the stream.
  62. Rezun
    +2
    26 May 2013 17: 15
    ...the cartridge is in place, the fuse is on "single"...
    ...gas mask at the ready...
    ...the helmet is where it's supposed to be...

    Not caring is a result of upbringing, but normal people “observe” and “fulfill.”
    In fact, someone correctly remarked:"All sorts of people come in here"(not ours).
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  65. fisherman
    +2
    26 May 2013 18: 04
    EVERYTHING depends on upbringing, if we are dissatisfied with our own mentality, then we need to raise our children accordingly and behave accordingly (and not just tell the children not to play around, study, don’t litter, give way to their elders...)

    Children see everything, you can’t fool them...

    and STUPID Finns and Germans, even on an empty road, STUPIDLY stand at a red light and endure, meticulously observing the laws in every detail, because CHILDREN CAN SEE THIS...

    and then they have to live there... ooh, how stupid and patient they are...

    and we are so smart, such temporary workers on our own land, give us everything “here and now”... it’s no coincidence that the forum member who got the most + was the one moaning about the fact that it is now impossible to make money QUICKLY...
    1. Atlon
      +4
      26 May 2013 19: 19
      Quote: fisherman
      and STUPID Finns and Germans, even on an empty road, STUPIDLY stand at a red light and endure, meticulously observing the laws in every detail, because CHILDREN CAN SEE THIS...

      That's not why! That's not why! but because a neighbor can see... AND REPORT! That's just why! tongue
      1. fisherman
        +1
        26 May 2013 22: 06
        With great pleasure I gave you a plus...

        this is really so (for the most part they are really not poets, philosophers, sages :)

        and I put it so poetically and philosophically, because in fact these stupid old Europeans achieve strategic goals (children as a calm future) through everyday ordinary local and simple FEAR of the “system” of which now in the era of an increasingly developing network society is not the distant Putin-Medvedev, but the very overwhelming majority located nearby...
  66. fisherman
    0
    26 May 2013 18: 06
    the basis of European education is banal IMPRINTING...

    ask your friends Google and Yandex
  67. +1
    26 May 2013 18: 49
    I just want to ask the author: “What are you suggesting?”
    I didn’t catch any suggestions, except hints about the advantages of computer literacy and the benefits of knowing Excel.
    There was a hint that “our people have no high goal”...
    If anything, now there is much less indifference and indifference at work than there was in Soviet times. I remember those times very well. Back then, there were plenty of people everywhere getting paid for unknown reasons. And this did not bother them at all, although from television screens and newspaper pages they were daily called upon to perform some kind of labor feats and proved to them that there was meaning in their lives.
    1. Horde
      0
      26 May 2013 19: 12
      If anything, now there is much less indifference and indifference at work than there was in Soviet times. I remember those times very well. Back then, there were plenty of people everywhere getting paid for unknown reasons.


      Don’t talk nonsense in THOSE TIMES, all the industries were created, airplanes, tanks, space exploration, and education is many times better than now, housing, medicine are free, but what did THIS country create? police, de-Stalinization, AT LEAST SOMETHING of YOURS during the years of “democracy”? NOTHING, indifference-degradation_
      july
      1. +1
        26 May 2013 19: 29
        And yet, there were plenty of people getting paid for NOTHING. Millions.
        That is absolutely no way. Both individuals and entire organizations.
        And this did not bother these people at all. They were even proud of the fact that they were “well settled” and looked down on those who worked hard without sparing themselves.
        I don’t like it when Soviet times are denigrated. But I don’t like them any less when they are idealized. I know about these times not only from TV series. If everything had been in its best form then, the Soviet Union would not have gone away; it would still exist to this day.
        And Soviet education also does not need to be idealized. I myself received a higher education in Soviet times, and I can say that 30% of my studying time was spent on nonsense. Although the plus is that at that time there were no shameful companies selling diplomas legally, like many of today's "universities".
        1. Horde
          +2
          26 May 2013 19: 55
          And yet, there were plenty of people getting paid for NOTHING. Millions.


          you exaggerated and in what places in the USSR did MILLIONS of Soviet people receive wages for nothing? I do not believe.
          1. +2
            26 May 2013 20: 11
            You don't seem to remember those times at all.
            There were such people in every enterprise.
            Moreover, there were entire offices with numerous staff (all kinds of research institutes and design bureaus) that really did not do anything specific. In fact, they were only involved in document management. I myself came into contact with people. who worked there, and I know it very well.
            There were a lot of extra people in production.
            A simple example. I know a motor transport office that existed in Soviet times. The volume of transportation is approximately the same, but the listed number of vehicles is one third less. And there are nine (!!!) times fewer management personnel. One person is responsible for accounting for fuel consumption, but in the 80s there was a whole department of five people involved.
            In Soviet times, I myself worked in transport and construction, worked as a tractor driver, driver, mechanic, and foreman. And I never ceased to be amazed at the huge number of official slackers (mostly with higher or secondary specialized education), regularly receiving their salaries, and completely unnecessary for anything (they only created queues in the canteen). By the way, in the late 80s and early 90s it was these people who most loudly demanded “reforms”.
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  69. Vtel
    +2
    26 May 2013 21: 04
    A Russian accomplishes a feat when behind this feat there is a well-defined and, from his point of view, a fair goal.

    "Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friend"
    This is the crowning glory of a warrior's life. And the crown of life for the average person is in everyday, often seemingly dull, work. Although one can envy creative people, there is a goal and adrenaline here. One can partially agree with the author, without internal awareness of the highest goal of life, life proceeds as if behind a cloudy glass. Our country now lives without ideology - a project of liberals to eliminate Orthodoxy in Rus', but then the whole world will be ENDED. This is what’s scary. First there was the Word and the Word is God. It is generally difficult to live without God in the soul, for we were created by God in his image, but to be like him - for this we need to work, not on the body, but on the soul, since the soul is greater than the body. God is love, but not for food and luxury, and true love is not liberal. It is with this love that we must live, to the joy of all enemies and of our Motherland - Holy Rus'. Then life will not give a damn!
  70. +4
    26 May 2013 21: 38
    Quote: Igarr
    Damn, how I understand you.

    It all depends on how you look at the subject. Immanuel Kant has this example: two people look into a puddle. One sees stars reflected in the water, and the second sees dirty water. So is the article: everyone sees in it what is closer in spirit and more understandable to him.
    Yes, there is a lot of negativity in our reality, but generalizing the private situation of the Moscow office to the national scale is a mistake, and a deliberate one at that. Target? To undermine confidence in the future, to make one's hands give up. It’s clear who benefits.
    Now about the article itself. There is Yaroslavna’s cry on the fortress wall in Putivl, and here there is the lamentation of the office plankton about their worthlessness and uselessness. This plankton knows for sure that the tank of bedbugs does not crush, so these small blood-sucking parasites are installed in offices so that they themselves do not really do anything and are not responsible for anything. You squeeze one of these, and immediately there’s a stench: why me? What do I need most?
    Some say that The article has nothing to do with VO. Didn't read carefully! Here is a hyperbole inserted by the author, for good measure: “their position is like that of a sailor on a sinking ship, watching the rest of the crew sip tea and lazily discuss the color of the boatswain’s boots.” I don't even want to comment. I know for sure: the author would run faster than a loon, carrying out the boatswain’s commands, or whine like a beaten mongrel, clutching his life jacket. And you say there is no relation to VO! (“We swam - we know” from the film “Volga, Volga”).
    Why do some people "don't care"? Because They have bad leaders, worthless organizers. The recipe is as simple as a stick. Gave me a task for the day. I checked the performance in the evening. Not fulfilled – minus primal. It was repeated - a reprimand to keep the union calm. Once again - goodbye, the company no longer needs your services. Moreover, this procedure must be done with the most ardent demagogue who doesn’t care. For the rest, as L. Filatov said, “At that moment there will be enlightenment in the mind.”
    I agree: with a national idea - schwach, even “sehr schwach”. But this is not a reason to finish off the struggling and unbroken with selective negativity. For this, our democratic media, controlled by the Iziks, are more than enough. It's a fair question: Where is the Guarantor looking? Where are the ideologists of building a new fair society...? And in response t-i-sh-i-n-a! there is no team behind him.
    But the process is underway, the course of history has raised the question of a new national leader, so “everyone is in front,” as the optimist said in a famous joke.
  71. nevopros
    0
    26 May 2013 21: 47
    Same thing - who the hell is to blame???
    This reminds me of something... be interested in the authors of such opuses:
    1. Genady1976
      0
      26 May 2013 22: 06
      Genady1976 RU Today, 11:34 | Boris Shmelev: What threatens Russia with the entry of Chinese troops into Tajikistan

      Russia is not some kind of external enemy is not terrible but internal
  72. +2
    26 May 2013 22: 23
    astra RU
    As for indifference or laziness:... people constantly hit their heads on the sharp iron corners of attachments... I took a grinder and sawed off the sharp corners in 2 hours... Many were surprised, saying - do you need it? After this, I became convinced that either the people - the sailors - had become very lazy or had given up on everything so much that they were ready to suffer.

    Here's an example that SOMEONE still doesn't give a damn. In the 90s, my relative left Kazakhstan for permanent residence in the USA. When she waters flowers at work, or suddenly wipes a common mirror or does something else (doctor, computer diagnostics), “indigenous” Americans also tell her: “Why are you doing this, you’re in for it.” don't pay money", and twirl their finger at their temple... Not only do they not give a damn that the flowers dry up, but they also don’t give a damn about each other. She says that if a person falls, no one will come to him, because the one who he fell, he could grab onto a person who wanted to help and start yelling that he was attacked (by the assistant), hit, and will immediately turn him in to the police if he doesn’t receive the “compensation.” And in the article, all the Russians are so-and-so, soulless don’t care. Americans and gays are trying to make us like themselves, that's where this INFECTION comes from - I don't care! And the author is all Russians and Russians...
  73. +2
    26 May 2013 23: 00
    How fucked up are all these “swamps”! About the fact that everything is bad with us. When will we stop falling for this foreign propaganda?!
    1. alexandr00070
      +3
      26 May 2013 23: 06
      Quote: VOLCHONOKSURALA
      When will we stop falling for this foreign propaganda?!

      Never, they live and feed on this,
      1. +2
        26 May 2013 23: 16
        Damn, my gag reflex has woken up! No.
        1. alexandr00070
          +2
          26 May 2013 23: 24
          Quote: VOLCHONOKSURALA
          Damn, my gag reflex has woken up!

          And they have the same reaction to Russians, so they improve their health by harming Russia and they have money, two in one - these can do that
      2. fisherman
        +1
        26 May 2013 23: 27
        Well, yes...they are always itching for “revolutionary fervor in their DNA” :))

        I can imagine their offense - aah, these stupid Russian people for some reason don’t believe that they are the “moral authorities - the conscience of the nation - the sad people of the Russian land”
        1. alexandr00070
          +2
          26 May 2013 23: 30
          Quote: fisherman
          I can imagine their offense
  74. fisherman
    0
    26 May 2013 23: 51
    democracy of the overwhelming majority is like a bone in their throat,

    but since since 1917 they have learned to elegantly substitute concepts (or even outright political lies and sabotage), it is possible that in the near future their main efforts will be redirected from the usual task (to hit our Identity and our Tradition) to something seems to be a reformatting of the old democracy (conventional name)

    We've had some interesting times...
  75. fisherman
    0
    26 May 2013 23: 54
    "the way of life shakes - they bury God" (B. Pasternak)

    "neoliberalism is another re-edition of Bolshevism" (J. Stiglitz)

    These confessions from these people are worth a lot...

    and real Orthodoxy is black hoods, not “custodians of the Christian Museum”...
  76. +2
    27 May 2013 00: 20
    I didn’t understand the article and didn’t read it to the end, plus and didn’t minus. I’ll just say that I personally don’t give a damn, I’m just trying to do my job efficiently and I can be proud of this work - I was useful for society, for my homeland, for the corporation, I’m less patriotic than the one who just bawling about his patriotism and not doing anything useful?
  77. +2
    27 May 2013 02: 49
    I finished reading the article but didn’t put a sign! I just wanted to advise the author to do the same as Comrade Sterlegov did (there is such a former millionaire from the 90s) to buy a house somewhere on the river bank, get a farm and a family, so that everything in the house is orderly and smooth, and the above problems of civilization will fall off on their own, because you yourself I understand that we are ready to work!!! Surely working on the ground is worse than working in a dusty office, but only if it’s for the sake of money? your own food health and nerves in perfect order on the street beauty live and be happy what else does a person need for happiness and well, yes also the Internet laughing
  78. 0
    27 May 2013 03: 00
    Nobody cares. About the main threat to Russian civilization (quote) and in general, the main threat to Russian civilization is the low birth rate and degradation of the nation! problems that we can and should deal with ourselves! and big money has absolutely nothing to do with it!
  79. Tao
    Tao
    0
    27 May 2013 03: 13
    Nobody cares, but... initiative is punishable.
  80. gauche
    +3
    27 May 2013 04: 52
    Quote: Phantom Revolution
    And it turns out that you are doing both your work and the work of your bosses, who are sometimes simply the sons of whom, through connections, they pushed into this position, alas, this is not only there, but occurs everywhere, less often in private small companies, such people simply will not live long if this is the case.

    Yes, if only less often... How many of these “small companies” have changed, the outline is the same - an irreplaceable core of relatives and associates and replaceable workhorses, which are spat on the backs of the cart. If the horse was exhausted or hungry, they unfastened it and changed it. Moreover, even if the “business” fades away, life will not force “our own people” to work. They will die and blame careless workers, taxes, Putin.
    1. +3
      27 May 2013 05: 43
      Just as it is! Painfully familiar!
  81. +2
    27 May 2013 07: 17
    The doctor said to the morgue....that means to the morgue....
    A very correct, very emotional article... behind the external hopelessness of which it is easy to see the answer “what to do”... to search, find and affirm the purpose of life... why I was born, why I studied, why I raised my children and grandchildren... Everyone will have their own answers, but they must merge into a single goal for the country...whether it will be a symphony or a cacophony depends on everyone wholesale and on everyone in particular :)
  82. +4
    27 May 2013 11: 58
    In principle, I agree that no one cares SURROUNDED BY THE AUTHOR. More than once I had the opportunity to make sure that only “knowledge workers” and office plankton don’t care. And you try to work with your hands, with your hands. It won't matter at once. If anything, sign up for a year-long course of anti-giveness in the engineering troops of the Russian Federation. laughing
    Sincerely.