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Russian expert: Korean nuclear missile can already hit the US

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The meeting of the expert council of the International Luxembourg Forum on Preventing Nuclear Catastrophe began with sensational statements.


The information bomb exploded during the very first speech at a meeting of the expert council of the International Luxembourg Forum on the Prevention of a Nuclear Catastrophe in Switzerland. One of the leaders of this organization uniting the world's leading experts in the field of nuclear nonproliferation weapons, retired Major General Vladimir Dvorkin told colleagues that, according to objective data, today more than two dozen countries, including North Korea and Iran, have potential carriers of nuclear weapons.

This speech, by the way, became available to the correspondent of “MK”, who was present at the summit, quite by accident. All other reports of the conference participants were closed to the press.

For non-specialists: the unusualness of the Dvorkin report was that the policies of the leading world powers and international governmental organizations, establishing public “red lines” for countries with authoritarian regimes that are rushing for nuclear weapons, declare that even if the rulers of these states have nuclear weapons, then it will take more years to create carriers for its use ...

As an example, the Russian expert cited the technical characteristics of ballistic missiles and aircraft that are in service with the armies of North Korea and Iran. Particular attention was paid to the effectiveness of the North Korean rocket scientists. Their Tephodon-type ballistic missile could launch a satellite into orbit after just two emergency launches. Such a breakthrough did not succeed, in its time, neither the USSR nor the United States. Moreover, in its energy sector, the Korean rocket may well carry nuclear charges, at distances close to intercontinental.

The fact that such an assessment differs from the official opinion of American experts was confirmed by a well-known American diplomat Mark Fitzpatrick immediately after the Russian general Mark Fitzpatrick, who had worked in the US State Department for about a quarter of a century and now occupies an important post in the International Institute for Strategic Studies.

According to Fitzpatrick, American experts are of the opinion that, in the current configuration, the Korean rocket is not able to deliver a nuclear charge to the US.

Dvorkin replied, “as at closer distances, there are several states near Korea that she considers enemy”. Moreover, according to the Russians, given the incredible pace of development of the Korean rocket program, the improvement of Tepkhodon is only a matter of time. And in the current state, with minimal modifications, they can throw a nuclear charge weighing at least half a ton towards North America ...

As for Iran, this country, as was said at the conference, also has on its account a satellite launched. But the Persian rocket, according to estimates, cannot yet be equipped with a nuclear warhead. True, a completely different picture is observed with medium-range missiles.

In particular, "Shihab-3" may well carry a nuclear charge. The situation is similar with the "obsolete" "Scuds", with a range of 369 kilometers, in service with dozens of non-nuclear states. They can also be equipped with nuclear warheads. However, according to the Russian expert, ballistic missiles are far from the only means of delivering non-conventional weapons. For example, the new Azaraxh and Sägih fighters, which are still little more than a dozen in service with the Iranian Air Force, have a payload of 4.4 tons, and with these characteristics there is not even a need to minimize the mass and size of nuclear warheads ...

Another, no less sensational information that sounded at the expert council meeting was the fact that, for objective reasons, the IAEA inspectors today do not have the technical ability to solve the tasks of instrumental monitoring of potential nuclear weapons carriers. According to experts of the International Luxembourg Forum on the Prevention of Nuclear Catastrophe, this problem can be solved only by creating a special international center, where telemetry data and operational information about launches in different countries of the world would flow.

Time will show whether the leaders of countries that are members of the World Nuclear Club will support the initiative of a non-governmental organization. But one thing is clear: there is no reason to distrust the conclusions made during the meeting of the expert council of the Luxembourg Forum, which includes famous scientists and world-renowned experts.

Apparently, the threat of an unexpected nuclear conflict in the world today is much more serious than we imagine, or at least how we would like the politicians to imagine.

Summing up the summit, the President of the Luxembourg Forum Vyacheslav Kantor, in an interview with the correspondent of MK, noted that “in public practice the topic of tolerance is widely used, however, it no longer meets the challenges of the twenty-first century. In this connection, it is necessary to supplement this concept with the topic of security. Conduct "boundaries of patience" and determine the conditions when tolerance threatens society. "

From conversations with other participants, the lance was clear that they were also confident that the suppression of attempts to covertly master nuclear weapons should be made more tough decisions than the corresponding resolutions of the UN Security Council, which, as experience has shown, can be ineffective - in particular, bans for Iran to enrich the uranium formulated in these resolutions.

Under these conditions, Forum experts intend to develop clear criteria for what can be defined as the limits of nuclear tolerance.

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Who participated in the meeting of the advisory council of the Luxembourg Forum:

Director of the Geneva Center for Security Policy Fred Tanner, Academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences, Professor of the University of Maryland Roald Sagdeev, Chairman of the Board of Directors of the Stockholm Peace Research Institute Rolf Ekeus, Head of the International Security Center of the IMEMO RAS, Academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences Alexey Arbatov, Chairman of the Organizing Committee of the Luxembourg Forum, Chief Researcher of the IMEMO RAS Vladimir Dvorkin, Army General, Former Commander-in-Chief of the Strategic Missile Forces Vladimir Yakovlev, Senior Researcher at the Carnegie Endowment for International World Ariel Levitt, Mark Fitzpatrick, Director of the WMD Nonproliferation and Disarmament Issues Program at the International Institute for Strategic Studies, Anatoly Dyakov, Director of the Center for Disarmament, Energy and Ecology Studies of the Moscow Institute of Physics and Technology, John Carlson, Counsel for the Foundation for Reducing Nuclear Threat , Head of the Euro-Atlantic Security Program, Director of the European Security Policy Training Course at the Geneva Center for Security Policy Gu becoming Lindstrom, Director of the Institute for Strategic Assessments Sergey Oznobishchev, President, Global Nuclear Problems Solutions Tariq Rauf, Deputy Secretary General of the Conference on Disarmament, Director of the UN Department for Disarmament Affairs UN Jarmo Sareva, Senior Advisor for Emerging Security Challenges, Director of the New Security Issues course at the Geneva Center for Security Policy, Mark Fino, research officer on disarmament issues at the Geneva Center for Security Policy Security Officer David Atwood, President of the Luxembourg Forum, Vyacheslav Kantor and other international experts.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 25 May 2013 18: 28 New
    +4
    According to experts at the Luxembourg International Forum on Nuclear Disaster Prevention, this problem can only be solved by creating a special international center where telemetry data and operational information on launches in different countries of the world would flow.
    Yes, another "international body." I wonder who will finance it?
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 25 May 2013 18: 33 New
      +3
      It is known who, the USA! and this "international body" will be the last resort in the struggle for democracy!
    2. Hudo
      Hudo 25 May 2013 18: 34 New
      +7
      Quote: svp67
      Yes, another "international body." I wonder who will finance it?


      I don’t know who to finance, but the names and surnames of those who want to find a job there and fool around for decent money are in the last paragraph.
      1. svp67
        svp67 25 May 2013 18: 36 New
        +1
        Quote: Hudo
        I don’t know who to finance, but the names and surnames of those who want to find a job there and fool around for decent money are in the last paragraph.
        Maybe, but I think that most likely they will organize "warm" places for their children ...
        1. Hudo
          Hudo 25 May 2013 18: 50 New
          +1
          Quote: svp67
          Maybe, but I think that most likely they will organize "warm" places for their children ...


          Maybe so.
          "This statement, by the way, became available to the MK correspondent, who was present at the summit, completely accidentally(???). " - they threw a bone so that the click-feathers from MK would bark on this topic.
          1. Reasonable, 2,3
            Reasonable, 2,3 25 May 2013 19: 34 New
            +2
            MK is a boulevard + Zionist newspaper. I would not trust the messages of their clickers.
          2. svp67
            svp67 25 May 2013 19: 42 New
            +2
            Quote: Hudo
            Maybe so.
            "This speech, by the way, became available to MK correspondent, who was present at the summit, quite by accident (???)." - they threw a bone so that the click-feathers from MK would bark on this topic.

            Pure Pi-Ar ...
            I don't like this anymore:
            Russian expert: Korean nuclear missile can already hit the US


            It turns out that the main concern of the “Russian” expert and the “Russian” journalist is US security, and what can these missiles not be aimed at Russian cities? At the present time, I think there is nothing to be sure of. But here, the fact that the United States can pay money to create such a group, but Russia does not, is obvious and therefore it becomes clear to whom this article was written and, accordingly, why this "leak" of information occurred ...
    3. Vadivak
      Vadivak 25 May 2013 19: 00 New
      +7
      Quote: ..
      and at closer distances, next to Korea are several states that it considers enemy


      The Korean missile bases of Musudanri, Kittaeren near the border with South Korea and Tonchan-li in the north-west of the country off the coast of the Yellow Sea. The Taphodon X missiles can hit US bases in Japan. The Tehhodon-2 missiles (or according to the North Korean classification “Pektusan-2”), can fly to the USA-Hawaiian Islands and Guam or Alaska, and the UNHA-3 “Milky Way - 3” missile strike zone is the continental United States
  2. Makarov
    Makarov 25 May 2013 19: 35 New
    0
    yes ... lines in the sand ... somewhere, once, someone already passed it ... maybe you should think twice about stopping the spread of Islam in the world?
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 25 May 2013 19: 59 New
      +9
      Quote: Makarov
      maybe you should think twice about stopping the spread of Islam in the world


      Islam itself is not evil, it all depends on the person, what is the difference between a Wahhabi terrorist and a Catholic crusader? The death of women and children in the name of the kingdom of God on earth?



      1. Makarov
        Makarov 26 May 2013 11: 02 New
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        In the modern interpretation, the difference lies in the fact that the Wahhabi knows and sees his enemy, and the modern crusader must be kind, well, or at least tolerant to all people, even those who want to wind his guts on a machete in the middle of 8 cities ... in any case, so far the ancestors of the once formidable crusaders are being slaughtered like dumb cattle, moreover, they are being cut with impunity and publicly ...

        Islam is a religion alien to me, although in fact a more suitable expression is hostile to me ... and I am accordingly disposed to Islam ...
  3. waisson
    waisson 25 May 2013 19: 39 New
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    it’s trial samples so far, but production needs to be set up, I don’t know how to rearm the army, it takes us years to come to terms
  4. gas
    gas 25 May 2013 20: 01 New
    +2
    Damn set plus without having read! Strange conclusions from an expert. In theory, even World War II bombers could carry nuclear bombs, so almost all countries in the world can attack their neighbors! But what of this? In my opinion, this "expert" was bought by amers so that he would stir up hysteria around the Iranian nuclear program. They say - atomic bombs can be scattered by fighters, a potential aggressor, you know, you need to bomb!
  5. Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 25 May 2013 20: 11 New
    +2
    It looks like a provocation. Statements such as "they can already" play into the hands of the United States and others unleash yet another war in the Middle East and the Korean Peninsula. Dvorkin’s statements are not entirely clear, what goals did he pursue? In my opinion, the expert got excited.
    1. korm-yurii
      korm-yurii 25 May 2013 20: 31 New
      +3
      No, dear, this is a signal that the road is "double". Or in Syria to watch or wait for a rocket from the Koreans.
  6. fisherman
    fisherman 25 May 2013 20: 13 New
    +1
    and then stoned over it (America)
    1. Aljavad
      Aljavad 26 May 2013 02: 51 New
      0
      I don’t understand, and without binoculars he can’t see? or so far throws?
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  8. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 25 May 2013 20: 52 New
    +1
    Men smell of war ... and serious.
    1. Phantom Revolution
      Phantom Revolution 25 May 2013 22: 00 New
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      No, it doesn’t smell. North Korea has a missile, but not a nuclear one. Yes, and it is guaranteed that it will hit the ABM. If there was, then the rhetoric of Un would be completely different, and not quiet. And so it is beneficial for the United States, without any suspicion, to build up forces in the Pacific.
  9. Abakanets
    Abakanets 25 May 2013 20: 55 New
    -6
    They turned this rocket on the genital organ of the USA. Not the fact that she even takes off, but if she takes off, then she will be knocked over the sea and that's it.
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 25 May 2013 21: 39 New
      +8
      Quote: Abakanets
      Not the fact that she even takes off, but if she takes off, then she will be knocked over the sea and that's it.


      The milky eut-3 launched the Gwanmyonson-3 satellite into low Earth orbit and the DPRK became the 10th space power capable of launching satellites with its own launch vehicles, The United States Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) has confirmed the success of the launch.









      1. Abakanets
        Abakanets 26 May 2013 18: 58 New
        0
        There is such a thing as a "means of overcoming missile defense" and a missile will be knocked down without problems by Aegis.
  10. individual
    individual 25 May 2013 21: 05 New
    +4
    Somehow it happened, but I was always not for the proliferation of nuclear weapons, but the aggressive policies of the United States and its NATO allowed me to make an amendment.
    Countries with nuclear weapons are more protected from the machinations of "democratizers." And they have the right to protection. But at the same time, I understand that with every new state that owns AOs, the threshold of world security is sharply reduced.
    Here's a "conflict of interests".
    1. cherkas.oe
      cherkas.oe 25 May 2013 22: 57 New
      +1
      Quote: individ
      , allowed to make an amendment in my mind.

      A similar case is on my collective farm. wink
  11. gladysheff2010
    gladysheff2010 25 May 2013 21: 08 New
    +1
    Maybe. But if, as you put it, “the way of the double”, is it necessary to understand that this is a signal of “experts” about the impossibility of further support to the “Syrian opposition” in view of the tough Russian position on this issue? God forbid.
  12. Kowalsky
    Kowalsky 25 May 2013 21: 14 New
    -1
    If you finish :)
  13. Ezhaak
    Ezhaak 25 May 2013 21: 20 New
    +1
    Well, of course, they didn’t let anyone in, and suddenly out of nowhere, it appeared in the mouth ... Komsomol correspondent.
    And he suddenly found out that:
    According to Fitzpatrick, American experts are of the opinion that, in the current configuration, the Korean rocket is not able to deliver a nuclear charge to the US.

    This goes without saying the way it is, and not otherwise, But all of a sudden, if he, Amer, confirms the words of the Russian, then a strange question will appear to him: And what did you and your department do, did the taxpayers’s money cut ???
  14. Bort radist
    Bort radist 25 May 2013 21: 40 New
    +2
    "Russian expert: Korean nuclear missile can already hit the US"and so the US is forced ............ and a three-sheet list.
  15. kind
    kind 25 May 2013 22: 01 New
    +1
    According to Fitzpatrick, American experts are of the opinion that, in the current configuration, the Korean rocket is not able to deliver a nuclear charge to the US.

    Most likely I will agree with Fitzpatrick (although I am strongly opposed to US policy), but there are sane people there. Missile technology must be confirmed by pilot launches. North Korea does not have such distances that it would be possible to test the carriers and hit the target “around the corner”. Specialists will understand me. Empirically, of course, you can calculate, but, as practice shows, there are a lot of factors affecting accuracy. Those. they’ll get to the continent, but are there goals ??
    1. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 25 May 2013 22: 09 New
      0
      And nobody spoke about accuracy. The main thing is that, according to calculated data, it is, in principle, able to fly. And how and where specifically, everyone is silent about this. In any case, it may not be to the mainland, here they got excited, but they were able to fly to Guam. Knock down or not knock it is not discussed.
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 25 May 2013 22: 16 New
        +3
        Quote: Hedgehog
        And how and where specifically, everyone is silent about this.


        http://news.bigmir.net/world/694653-Esli-zavtra-vojna--Kuda-doletjat-korejskie-r
        akety - INFOGRAFIKA-
    2. Vadivak
      Vadivak 25 May 2013 22: 13 New
      +3
      Quote: Good
      Those. they’ll get to the continent, but are there goals


      A year ago, everyone was neighing over a 91-ton more than 30-meter booster rocket with a diameter of 2,4 meters with a starting thrust of 120 tons - “Inha-3”, and Koreans in just a year, from the second launch, which we didn’t have neither the United States put the satellite into orbit, but everything can be in the satellite, the same YaB. So, given the speed of the DPRK's development in rocket science, accuracy is another question



      1. kind
        kind 25 May 2013 22: 59 New
        0
        Are you a rocket launcher, or at least a ballistic? Do not believe everything that is written in the press.
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 25 May 2013 23: 09 New
          +3
          Quote: Good
          Are you a rocket launcher, or at least a ballistic?


          At least a scout, therefore, I do not believe anyone
    3. Aljavad
      Aljavad 26 May 2013 02: 57 New
      -1
      what goals ???? IN THE CONTINENT !!! This monkey with a grenade does not need more. May God grant that all these tsatski they need only for blackmail. But now, if Una - or who else will be there - sticks out - TODA OH.
  16. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 25 May 2013 22: 15 New
    0
    Syria is being poured with Iran .. Soon they will take up DPRK (in principle, this country can simply be squeezed out to them like a chir ..) is just a good reason to build up a group in this part of the world (as usual because of human rights violations) China is close by and most importantly the Russian Far East. .there is someone to bleed and then intervene .. the scheme is known. bully
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 25 May 2013 22: 23 New
      +3
      Quote: MIKHAN
      there is someone to bleed and then intervene.


      So it is so only from real allies in the theater of Japan and Australia, and even the Kuomintang, Europe is far and expensive, so the United States comes out to fight again? Only these are not corrupt Arabs, there is literally nothing to sell and lose, and the Americans do not need a second Vietnam
  17. Day 11
    Day 11 25 May 2013 22: 35 New
    +2
    Once again, they are beneficial to us as allies. If they had muddied with the Yugami, they would have taken the gaze of "democratic" states and pulled info-resources from Syria, which (Syria) is very important to us! after that will it communicate with us? And with Koreas we will sort our eyebrows, sort of like living peacefully do not kill each other (if we have authority)
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 25 May 2013 22: 58 New
      +3
      Maybe I'm wrong, but IMHO only China and the USA have real levers of influence on Korean subjects living north and south of the 38th parallel. In essence, this is a slowed-down Cold War mine, when it will be scary to enter into an open confrontation (due to the presence of nuclear charges), and the resulting contradictions will become UNBEATABLE Korea will work and then, as they said, the living will envy the dead ...
      1. Day 11
        Day 11 25 May 2013 23: 08 New
        +1
        Uuu How darkly you painted everything! Believe me, they will never shoot each other with nuclear charges --- they understand that, in principle, they are the same people and relatives living north and south of the 38th parallel
      2. Aljavad
        Aljavad 26 May 2013 03: 05 New
        0
        both Koreans understand this and there will be no war. only provocations to blackmail and extort humanitarian aid.
    2. Vadivak
      Vadivak 25 May 2013 23: 05 New
      +3
      Quote: Den 11
      t Syria, which (Syria) is very important for us!


      Not salt but salt

      Quote: Den 11
      And with Korea we will sort our eyebrows, sort of

      Well, somewhere I heard it -
      And on enemy land, we will defeat the enemy with Lesser Blood, a mighty blow!
      1. Day 11
        Day 11 25 May 2013 23: 13 New
        0
        Do you doubt it? The main thing here is to have WEIGHT, and there we’ll destroy
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 25 May 2013 23: 24 New
          +2
          Quote: Den 11
          Do you doubt it? The main thing here is to have WEIGHT, and there we’ll destroy


          Tsushima.
          1. Day 11
            Day 11 25 May 2013 23: 31 New
            +1
            Bad example! Young people need to give other examples: for example Khalkhin-Gol
            1. Vadivak
              Vadivak 25 May 2013 23: 41 New
              +5
              Quote: Den 11
              Bad example! Young people need to give other examples: for example Khalkhin-Gol



              he who does not remember his defeats does not recognize victories
              1. Day 11
                Day 11 25 May 2013 23: 50 New
                -3
                I’ll probably agree with you here. But I thought that you would begin to give counter-arguments to Khalkhin-Gol’s account that everything was not so rosy there and I would agree with you. How many comrade Zhukov there shot our brother? but this is a separate issue.
                1. Vadivak
                  Vadivak 25 May 2013 23: 58 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Den 11
                  ZNO, but I thought that you would begin to bring counter arguments to Khalkhin-Gol’s account that not everything was so rosy there


                  And when did we have something rosy? All through thorns
                  1. Day 11
                    Day 11 26 May 2013 00: 12 New
                    +1
                    Vadim, as I understand it, you have an WEIGHT on this site. I have one idea, an idea to write an article about the Luftwaffe (this topic is rushing me), but the trouble is not suspended! If you agree to write, I will give you a lot of information If you agree, unsubscribe in PM
                2. Aljavad
                  Aljavad 26 May 2013 03: 09 New
                  0
                  it happily happens - in romantic brains, directives and computer games. And in life - always “from matyukamy”, “through w ...” and “miraculously”.
                  And about Zhukov - "... Everyone imagines himself a strategist, seeing the battle from the side ..."
    3. Aljavad
      Aljavad 26 May 2013 03: 02 New
      0
      dreaming is not bad. those who make decisions in the north and do not live that way. they can’t fight with their hands. only provocations and not often.
  18. alexdol
    alexdol 25 May 2013 22: 36 New
    +1
    Judging by the name of the author and the tone of the article - just another ZIONIST propaganda and escalation of passions! Unfortunately, those nuclear weapons are already available to those to whom it is simply contraindicated - the USA and Israel! Why all this talk about what could be? It is enough to remember only who used the first ATOM bomb - the USA!
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 25 May 2013 23: 15 New
      +2
      Quote: alexdol
      It is enough to remember only who used the first ATOM bomb - the USA!


      So what? The Japanese are no longer in the know
  19. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 25 May 2013 23: 12 New
    +1
    Quote: Vadivak
    Quote: MIKHAN
    there is someone to bleed and then intervene.


    So it is so only from real allies in the theater of Japan and Australia, and even the Kuomintang, Europe is far and expensive, so the United States comes out to fight again? Only these are not corrupt Arabs, there is literally nothing to sell and lose, and the Americans do not need a second Vietnam

    Arabs are training .. before the big war .. I’m thinking about the goal of China (with their trillions in the US Banks ..) The Chinese are quiet people but very efficient .. they economically crushed half the world .. but to fight .. (not in vain Russia is cringing) .. An ideal option is to pit Russia with China .. to this everything goes .. Increase
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 25 May 2013 23: 20 New
      +1
      I don’t agree, now it’s more expensive to compete with the Chinese! At this stage no one will conquer them (number)
      1. Aljavad
        Aljavad 26 May 2013 03: 14 New
        0
        they are impossible at any stage. by virtue of their mentality. It will be difficult - they will hide for a couple of centuries, and later they will take theirs.
    2. Vadivak
      Vadivak 25 May 2013 23: 22 New
      +2
      Quote: MIKHAN
      The Chinese people are quiet but very efficient ..

      + I would add a stubborn and arrogant believing that for them there is nothing impossible.


      A little Chinese girl is standing in front of the canvas, holding a brush in her hand. For a moment, she looks at a reproduction of Van Gogh's painting “Sunflowers,” attached next to the specimen, and with an exact movement in which there is nothing superfluous, it applies the first stroke. Then he takes a step to the next canvas and also applies the same smear. Before her are a dozen such canvases. She uses the conveyor method to apply strokes in turns to the canvases, without being distracted, without thinking, not dreaming, not looking for inspiration in the sky. Moving like a robot: not a single unnecessary movement, not a single pointless look around. For a day, a dozen "Sunflowers" are ready.

      From under their brushes Van Gogh and Poly Gauguin leave daily ... In hundreds ...


      Van Gogh: "I work in the mornings from dawn, because the flowers wither quickly, and you have to finish the thing in one go."

      By the end of summer, only four paintings are ready ....
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 25 May 2013 23: 34 New
        +3
        hi and if you imagine that the girl doesn’t draw sunflowers, but such destroyers and something else, the picture does not look so pastoral in my understanding.
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 25 May 2013 23: 44 New
          +2
          Quote: Thunderbolt
          then the picture does not look so pastoral in my understanding.

          hi In my opinion, the Chinese are no longer friends to us, thanks to Nikita Sergeyevich, and this does not please
          1. Day 11
            Day 11 25 May 2013 23: 57 New
            0
            Already friends again. VVP ruined everything!
            1. Vadivak
              Vadivak 26 May 2013 00: 07 New
              +2
              Quote: Den 11
              Already friends again. VVP ruined everything!

              I respect Putin, but China, like any major power, has no friends: there are enemies and temporary allies.
              1. Day 11
                Day 11 26 May 2013 00: 15 New
                0
                Do not confuse with England! The Chinese remember the good!
          2. Thunderbolt
            Thunderbolt 26 May 2013 00: 07 New
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            It’s profitable to cooperate with them: in the development of our Siberia, Far East, and the Arctic. But after one generation, the balance of power will change, and China can already become the first players in our “big game” with America. In a word, demography and GDP (product) are sometimes stronger than the most powerful missiles. Then I will shut up --- Saturday, day off, there is no sadness and sadness.
            1. Aljavad
              Aljavad 26 May 2013 03: 18 New
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              to cooperate? (hee hee) they understand this as help in THEIR Great Game.
        2. Aljavad
          Aljavad 26 May 2013 03: 15 New
          0
          sunflowers are worse. inevitably.
          1. Thunderbolt
            Thunderbolt 26 May 2013 03: 44 New
            +1
            Quote: Aljavad
            to cooperate? (hee hee) they understand this as help in THEIR Great Game.
            Now, what else remains? Do you want to rocket and nuclear them in the Stone Age? We can. The strength is enough and if you keep the "peaceful atom" dry, you can cooperate (at the same time develop balanced and start to crawl out of the demographic hole1)
            1. Ruslan67
              Ruslan67 26 May 2013 04: 01 New
              +2
              Quote: Thunderbolt
              You can collaborate (while developing balanced

              hi Aleksey hi The problem is that they breed faster than we develop. laughing
              1. Thunderbolt
                Thunderbolt 26 May 2013 04: 30 New
                0
                Hi Ruslan hi as Generalissimo Suvorov proved --- it’s not a matter of quantity, but of quality, and here we have all the trump cards in our hands — well, what can 10 Han Chinese do, versus a Rusak? Here, then this and that, NOTHING. On how warm, stand stood bully Well, if seriously, the lack of Russians is a super problem. Here on the website they sometimes say this: I will write an article about it.) If I could speak fluently, I would also write bully , but I immediately warn you that this is a complex problem and cannot be solved by an “increase in benefits.” The question is more ideological. There will be a need for inner feelings — and the urge to reproduce will awaken.
                1. Ruslan67
                  Ruslan67 26 May 2013 04: 37 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Thunderbolt
                  There will be a need for inner feelings --- and the thirst for reproduction will awaken.

                  Thrust is laughing opportunities are not always request It is necessary to speak about our generation, but for example, at the time of the collapse of the Union, my daughter was two years old and in those conditions I could not afford a second child, and when the opportunity arose the train left what I think the current ones don’t know, I already have a grandson, but with the second for various reasons, too, I don’t know how to proceed.
  20. fenix57
    fenix57 25 May 2013 23: 16 New
    +2
    Quote: Hudo
    fool around for decent money - in the last paragraph.

    And appears in the last paragraph, the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. And at the Carnegie Endowment in New York, is the Headquarters of the Bilderberg Club. In turn, the objectives of the Bilderberg Club are very far from those listed in the article ...
  21. RussischGenosse
    RussischGenosse 26 May 2013 00: 29 New
    +2
    As I said earlier, any country has the right to use a peaceful atom. But with a peaceful atom, she also has every right to create nuclear weapons to protect her country from external threats. But it should not use it, only for the purpose of intimidation, nuclear weapons should become the guarantor of the country's independence and sovereignty. And if the DPRK and Iran acquire nuclear weapons, then this will be a weighty argument in the confrontation of these countries with the United States. In this case, the United States will forever have no desire to arrange military interventions in the above countries, and will fence them from some economic sanctions. But in any case, it should only become an argument, which I think will not be applied when.
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 26 May 2013 00: 35 New
      -5
      You are wrong. Nuclear weapons are weapons of the weak! No country wants to use it, threaten yes! No more
      1. MG42
        MG42 26 May 2013 17: 45 New
        +2
        Quote: Den 11
        You are wrong. Nuclear weapons are weapons of the weak! No country wants to use it, threaten yes!

        Hiroshima remind? A photo from there ... A state renouncing its nuclear status becomes just vulnerable, IO = there may be a weapon of retaliation, for example, depending on which side you are looking, it can be a deterrent, it can be a sound club ..
      2. svp67
        svp67 26 May 2013 17: 50 New
        +1
        Quote: Den 11
        You are wrong. Nuclear weapons are weapons of the weak! No country wants to use it, threaten yes! No more


        The weapon of the weak is the "dirty" weapon. Nuclear, in itself, already makes a country strong, and not the fact that it cannot be applied. It remains to recall the situation in 1973, when Israel almost did it ...
  22. gregor6549
    gregor6549 26 May 2013 06: 34 New
    -1
    With the Korean p5 bag for the USA, the story is the same as with chocolate for the cow. To eat chocolate, it can be eaten, but hto give her. So with a rocket. It can fly, rocket, to the United States and fly, but hto give her? They hit the fuck even on takeoff, and not really straining. And if, when a million sowing Koreans trample on a million southern ones, then they’ll choke on this “bloody chocolate”. Including innocent and innocent
  23. wax
    wax 26 May 2013 12: 20 New
    +1
    It's time to stop speaking the language of power. And the main instigators of aggression in the post-war period should start: the United States and NATO as a whole. Then it will be possible to organize the spread of weapons of mass destruction more reasonably by joint efforts.
    1. I think so
      I think so 26 May 2013 14: 48 New
      0
      Your proposal is utopia ... How can a predator refuse genetically inherent aggression? No way! Only when it is DESTROYED! Therefore, the more countries will have a nuclear club, the better! Everything will start if you do not respect each other, then at least not to bomb for any reason ... The presence of nuclear weapons is a guarantee of peace, paradoxically as it sounds ...
  24. crambol
    crambol 26 May 2013 15: 36 New
    0
    Korean nuclear missile could hit US already

    Well, can she take off?
    1. MG42
      MG42 26 May 2013 15: 43 New
      +2
      Quote: crambol
      Well, can she take off?

      Successful launch confirmed by South Korea and Japan.