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Russia has long justified the betrayal of the Crimean Tatars

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Statements of the Russian consul in Crimea discord with the official position of Moscow


Ukrainian Foreign Ministry yesterday summoned Viktor Likhachev, Senior Advisor to the Russian Embassy in Kiev, on the mat and reprimanded him for “incorrect statements” by Russian Consul in Crimea Vladimir Andreev “regarding representatives of the Crimean Tatar people”. On the eve, we recall, the Russian consul said on the ATR television channel that he considers the betrayal of the Crimean Tatars during the Great Patriotic War obvious, for which they were deported to Central Asia and other remote regions of the USSR in 1944. In addition, in the heat of controversy with TV anchor Lily Budzhurova, Andreev insisted that his opinion was the official position of Russia, and he asks to convey it to every Crimean Tatar.

Consul Andreev “the first Crimean-Tatar” TV channel called on his broadcast after he dissuaded Soviet pilots who had arrived in Simferopol — veterans of the Great Patriotic War — to attend the premiere of the film “Khaytarma”. The creators of the film specially invited and paid for the journey of the veterans, so that those with their presence would consecrate the premiere of the film. And then the consul confused them with all the cards.

Answering the TV presenter's question why he dissuaded the veterans, Andreev explained bluntly: “Primitive about the film. If it were a multiseries film, from the 20 series of which 17 would be about the feat of the Soviet people, Soviet soldiers, legendary pilots during the Great Patriotic War, the two series would be about cooperation with the fascist occupiers of people of the Crimean Tatar nationality, and the final one may be, a series - about the deportation, the tragedy and the state crime of the Soviet leadership, I would go to this film, I would look at all the 20 series ”.

“No matter how these words provoke insult of the Crimean Tatars to Russia,” the presenter got worried.

“Yes you what! Did I say something new? ”Asked Andreev.

“You said a very insulting thing,” noted Bujurova.

"So, they say little of those obvious things that I said," Andreev insisted.

“Do not repeat. You are a diplomat! ”- the leader was indignant.

“I do not need your advice! - sharply answered Andreev. “Everything I said today is completely official.” Here, write down and scroll to any Crimean Tatar. My word and the word of Russia should sound, should be known, including my interview today. This is so that the truth about the Great Patriotic War sounded including with those episodes that for some reason 18 of May (on this day, the Crimean Tatars mark the anniversary of the deportation every year. - Note KM.RU) are hushed up. In this film, they are not. This is precisely the theme of betrayal. ”

And the Russian consul, it should be noted, was absolutely right, recalling in the run-up to the premiere of the false film about stories mass betrayal of the Crimean Tatars during the war years (KM.RU recently talked about this). Another thing is that he clearly got excited, calling his opinion (with which any honest person would agree) the official position of Russia. Unfortunately, this is far from the case, as will be discussed below. But this in no way diminishes the correctness of his assessments, to which we simply must join.

The plot of the film is built around the fate of the famous Soviet pilot, twice Hero of the Soviet Union Amet-Khan Sultan, who, after liberating Crimea in 1944, from the Germans and their accomplices, arrives in his native Alupka, where the mass deportation of Crimean Tatars is unfolding before his eyes. Already this main plot is aimed at showing how the “innocent” people are driving the “NKVD fiends” out of their land.

Translated from the Turkic "Khaytarma" means "infinite circle." This rhythm can often be heard at weddings and national holidays, the Free Press reports. Although the authors of the tape translate its name as "return".

More than 1000 people from all over the Crimea, above all, activists of the officially unrecognized "executive body" of the Crimean Tatars - the Majlis, were shot in the crowd scenes of the film.

It is curious, the newspaper continues, that at first the creative team "Haitarma" was trying to find money in Turkey, but the Turks got acquainted with the script and sharply refused. Then the well-known Russian businessman Lenur Islyamov, the owner of the Queen Group company, which is the general importer of UzDeuAvto products in the Russian Federation, came to the aid of the tribesmen. In Crimea, Mr. Islyamov controls the transport company SimCityTrans, one of the largest passenger carriers of the peninsula. He also owns the Simferopol television channel ATR.

Lenur Islyamov personally paid the extras of the new historical film, having invested about one and a half million dollars. Filming took place in Alupka and Sudak. Large scenery of the war were built in Bakhchisarai. Russian producer provided weapon, trains, cars and aircraft of those times.

Before the premiere, the Crimean Tatar media solemnly announced that military pilots and comrades Amet-Khan Sultan were invited to the first show from Moscow. And what was their indignation when a consul Andreev dissuaded the veterans to cover the premiere of this through a false film with their presence!

As for the official Ukrainian authorities, not only Crimean Tatar politicians — deputies of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine Mustafa Dzhemilev and Refat Chubarov, but also two vice-premier of the Crimean government, Georgy Psarev and Aziz Abdullayev, as well as the head of the Verkhovna Rada Committee on Human Rights Valery Patskan.

And here - such words of the Russian consul on the air! The Crimean Tatar political elite demanded that the Ukrainian authorities call Andreev a persona non grata and immediately expel him from the country. And the reaction of the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry, when they summoned the senior adviser to the Russian embassy, ​​Viktor Likhachev, was also quite sharp. “The representative of the Russian Embassy was told that the Crimean Tatar population is an integral part of the multinational Ukrainian society. The Agreement on issues related to the restoration of the rights of deported persons, national minorities and peoples, signed in Bishkek on October 9 on October 1992, signed and ratified by Russia, is still in effect, ”the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry said. In this regard, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine proceeds from the fact that the official position of Russia should be determined by the provisions of this agreement, and not by the opinion of the consular agent, said the message of the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry.

And here (in any case, from a purely formal point of view), the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry was right when it noted the difference between the official position of Russia and the opinion of the Russian consul in the Crimea. The fact is that in the 1992 year, the Russian Federation de jure indeed condemned the deportation of the Crimean Tatars (and not just them alone) and in fact restored them in their rights.

Here is what, in particular, the Agreement on issues related to the restoration of the rights of deported persons, national minorities and peoples, which the CIS countries (including the Russian Federation) signed on October 9 on October 1992 in Bishkek, and subsequently ratified:

“The States members of the Commonwealth of Independent States, hereinafter referred to as the Parties, unequivocally condemning the totalitarian practice in the past of forced relocation of peoples, national minorities and individual citizens of the former USSR as a crime contrary to universal humane principles, considering that legislative and other normative acts, adopted by the former allied, republican and local authorities and administrations, officials on the forced relocation of peoples, national from the very beginning, confirming the right of deported persons, national minorities and peoples to restore historical justice and return to their places of residence at the time of deportation, realizing that ensuring this right is interstate in nature and requires coordinated multilateral and bilateral approaches, recognizing the need to assume obligations to protect the legitimate interests of deported x persons, national minorities and peoples and ensure the voluntary return to their homes at the time of deportation, have agreed as follows:

Article 1. The parties provide deported persons who voluntarily return to their places of residence at the time of deportation, equal political, economic and social rights and conditions for settling, employment, education, national, cultural and spiritual development with citizens permanently residing there. When implementing the provisions of this Agreement, the rights and legitimate interests of citizens residing in the respective territories should not be infringed.

Article 2. The parties decide the issues of citizenship of persons resettled under the terms of this Agreement, in accordance with their national legislation, the provisions of bilateral treaties between them, and also taking into account generally accepted norms of international law.

Article 3. The Parties shall create the necessary conditions for the unimpeded voluntary relocation of the persons referred to in Article 1 of this Agreement, including the conditions for free exit from the territory of one Party to the territory of the other Party and transit through the territories of third Parties. ”

So, de jure Russia justified both the Crimean Tatars and all other deportees, thereby committing treason against those who fought during the war not only with the Germans, but also with the traitors to the Motherland.

Meanwhile, Consul Andreev has the courage to state on the “First Crimean-Tatar” TV channel: “From this topic you cannot pull out the topic of mass betrayal of people of Crimean Tatar nationality in those years of the Great Patriotic War, otherwise we will again lie against historical truth, otherwise we will justify betrayal and say that some kind of treachery is excusable and some kind is not. Otherwise, we will bring up traitors today. I think this is a goal that is unworthy of anyone. ”

And all honest people are in solidarity with Andreev, and not with the “official position of the Russian Federation.”
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  1. v53993
    v53993 25 May 2013 06: 15 New
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    And all honest people are in solidarity with Andreev, and not with the “official position of the Russian Federation.”


    Also, all honest people understand that the "official RF" is not Russia at all.
    And the fact that honest people appear (or have survived?) In the "official RF" is so pleasing and encouraging.
    1. gladiatorakz
      gladiatorakz 25 May 2013 10: 23 New
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      Quote: v53993
      Also, all honest people understand that the "official RF" is not Russia at all.

      Bravo! +
    2. MG42
      MG42 25 May 2013 11: 30 New
      +4
      Now in Ukrainian. politicians shout that Russia is sending "Stalinists" diplomats to Ukraine on purpose ..
      The Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs acknowledges that the consul general of the Russian Federation in Simferopol, Vladimir Andreev, made incorrect formulations regarding the Crimean Tatars. This is stated in a comment by the Information and Press Department of the Russian Foreign Ministry, Interfax reports.

      “We understand the reaction to some, let's say bluntly, incorrect formulations used by the Russian representative without due regard for the sensitive issue, which requires an extremely balanced approach in any situation,” the document says.

      http://www.rupor.info/news-politika/2013/05/24/mid-rossii-izvinilsya-za-svoego-k


      onsula /
      But this is not enough for the Tatars >>> at first they burned his portrait, now they claim that they will not let him work and will make him leave Ukraine.
      1. MG42
        MG42 25 May 2013 11: 56 New
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        The deputy of the Crimean parliament, the first deputy chairman of the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people, Refat CHUBAROV, demands from the prosecutor's office and the Crimean chief of the SBU to take measures to the consul general of the Russian Federation in Simferopol, Vladimir ANDREEV.

        He stated this at a session of the Crimean parliament

        Vladimir Andreev's reaction to this >>
        1. dmitreach
          dmitreach 25 May 2013 13: 58 New
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          Andreev is great! History has been rewritten since the Second World War. (Goebbels is just a "parable of the voyazytsy".) It is much more interesting to analyze the list of countries that entered the war on the side of the Reich, but ended up among the "victorious allies"! It is much more interesting to remember that the preconditions for the war were formed not from the "partition" of Poland, but much earlier ...
          1. ozs
            ozs 25 May 2013 15: 53 New
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            So our history is rewritten with the filing of power, which some edrobots adore here. And then they wonder why the n *** races are laying condoms at the eternal flame in Togliatti. And all because, as they have already completely lied and the society sees this.

            The past, like the future, cannot be changed. But unlike the future, it can be rewritten. (C) Leonid Shebarshin
        2. Fin
          Fin 25 May 2013 15: 58 New
          +6
          I think that Andreyev expressed the official version, reminded everyone of the historical facts, and now he will calmly retire with "quiet" honors. I probed the Tatars and Ukraine on this topic on the instructions of the Russian Foreign Ministry.
          The 1992 agreement is permission to return, not a denial of their betrayal. And let the Tatars scream as much as they want, everything is written down in history.
    3. Interface
      Interface 25 May 2013 14: 34 New
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      I just don’t understand, why are they blathering there? Tatars in Crimea do not constitute the majority; more than 90% are Slavs (Russians) and 5% are Ukrainians.

      I speak by myself. I have relatives living in Crimea, and they have a mosque in their village. The overwhelming majority are Orthodox. And the singing of the mullah annoys everyone. But several dozen Tatars go to pray, they believe that this is "their land", they themselves do not mind deporting the Russians from there. Yes, I know that you have to be tolerant towards persons of other religions, but then let them not be impudent. Everyone should know their place and impose their interests on the majority - they have neither legal nor moral right.
      1. Misantrop
        Misantrop 25 May 2013 15: 17 New
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        Quote: Interface
        And mullah singing annoys everyone.
        Mullah singing does not annoy anyone. Annoying tin reproducer on the minaret, which screams at a time when the mullah is breathing. In Simferopol on the street Volodarsky (city center) has a mosque. The minaret speaker has already been tortured to change (pneumatics is taxing lol ) People are almost unanimous: if faith requires - no problem, climb and sing. But CAM and lively voice. ANYWHERE in the Qur'an there is not a word about the speaker and tape recorder, there is nothing to replace faith with technology
      2. Denis
        Denis 25 May 2013 16: 27 New
        +5
        Quote: Interface
        I just don’t understand, why are they blathering there?
        It is very possible that the Turks feed grants. They have always disapproved a little of Potemkin’s deeds.
        And here is such an opportunity ...
        1. smile
          smile 25 May 2013 18: 52 New
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          Denis
          It’s not possible, but really they don’t feed, but feed, send emissaries, organize ... Turkish intelligence has always worked and works very closely with them ... Ukraine, unfortunately, will still cry with them ...
          1. Denis
            Denis 25 May 2013 19: 08 New
            +1
            Quote: smile
            Turkish intelligence VERY tightly always worked with them and works ...
            Are they as though hinting that we need to help Syria?
            Yes, the Turks ... but they have always been "a grocer and a cardinal — a great force!"
      3. Vladyka
        Vladyka 25 May 2013 21: 56 New
        +3
        There are more Tatars in Crimea ... Official statistics are about 15 ... 17%, actually 25 ... 30%, and are slowly spreading north, I mean the Kherson region, mainly the south. And they blather because Crimea is slowly being drained ... Not only the State Department is participating in this (regular meetings between Dzhamelyov and Brzezhinsky are not a secret to anyone), but also the Russian authorities, financing the amusing Russian movement in the Crimea, and removing themselves from their compatriots there- same. I want to remind you that Crimeans never considered themselves Ukrainians, and now there are almost no Russian schools left. The future of Crimea is Crimean Tatar autonomy :(, sadly, Chechnya is very good example. I apologize for being too emotional.
      4. Corneli
        Corneli 25 May 2013 22: 32 New
        +2
        Quote: Interface
        I just don’t understand, why are they blathering there? Tatars in Crimea do not constitute the majority; more than 90% are Slavs (Russians) and 5% are Ukrainians.

        OMG! Where is this "data" from?) Well, not only that "Slavs" are synonymous with "Russians" belay! Ukrainians who do you think? And in general, what nonsense? Off data: "2001 - 2 people (024% of Russians, 056% of Ukrainians, 58,3% of Crimean Tatars, 24,3% of Belarusians, 12,1% of Tatars, 1,4% of Armenians, 0,5% of Jews, Poles, Moldovans, Azerbaijanis, 0,4% each of Uzbeks, Koreans, Greeks, Germans, Mordovians, Chuvashes, Gypsies, Bulgarians, Georgians and Mari, as well as Karaites, Crimeans and others) "You think in 0,2 Are there more Russians (SLAVS !!!)?
        1. kroog
          kroog 26 May 2013 00: 08 New
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          this is data 12 years ago
          and the Tatars breed like cockroaches
          they have a norm of 6-7 children in the family
          often 10-12
          today there are at least a third, and most likely more
          1. Ayrat M
            Ayrat M 26 May 2013 00: 14 New
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            and what prevents you from giving birth to 2-3 or more children? their salaries are also probably low, but this does not stop them ..
            nature does not tolerate emptiness, you know yourself, you leave, take your place ..
      5. laabd56
        laabd56 5 March 2014 16: 55 New
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        your arithmetic seems to be out of order, see at least Russian news: Russians - 58,5, Ukrainians - 24,4, Tatars - 12,1, the rest - 5. The funniest thing is to write the Slavs, and in parentheses the Russians, and what Ukrainians are no longer Slavs, and just because they didn’t please you, add Belarusians too? and both Tatars have the rights, the quote - "they themselves do not mind deporting Russians from there" - well, sheer nonsense. "Everyone should know his place and not impose his interests on the majority" - which was artificially caught up after the war, the Russians still do not agree with you before the war, talk to them. look, there will be time, potanin how stalin saved the Crimea on youtube.com
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      1. Denis
        Denis 25 May 2013 19: 11 New
        +2
        Quote: anton107798
        Russia divided Poland with Germany
        Well, maybe someone should have been silent about that?
        Who benefited territorially, do you need a link to the map?
        1. Ayrat M
          Ayrat M 25 May 2013 19: 22 New
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          and not the first time shared ...
          http://www.megabook.ru/Article.asp?AID=663343
          Polish uprising of 1794
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          2. Denis
            Denis 25 May 2013 21: 30 New
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            Quote: Ayrat M
            and not the first time shared ...
            And at the expense of whose territories did they want to be "from sea to sea"? So rightfully so
            By sowing the wind, you will reap the storm!
            1. Ayrat M
              Ayrat M 26 May 2013 00: 56 New
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              it became interesting, honestly. before that, I only heard about tarpaulin boots washed in the Indian Ocean, but they didn’t say it, did they?
              1. Evrepid
                Evrepid 26 May 2013 06: 10 New
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                Well, in general, that person was not even Russian, but there are those who consider themselves Russian without knowing history, that's for sure.
      2. smile
        smile 25 May 2013 19: 16 New
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        anton107798

        So, for reference, Russia did not share Poland with anyone, we returned our land, previously torn away by force of land. freed their brothers from the oppression of the Poles, saved them from violent polonization ...
        We all remember the civil war imposed on us, and how the various groups, then called white, acted in the interests of different supporting countries - each had its own creature, in exchange for territorial concessions ... remember the white terror declared BEFORE red .. . remember that more than half of the General Staff of the Republic of Ingushetia and almost half of the officer corps were for the Reds (including Brusilov) ... remember that the white people who did not support the Reds, but did not want to harm their homeland (like Denikin) emigrated ... we also remember the red ones with the mammoth ones, who again bleed our land in the service of Hitler ... we also remember how the Entente countries in the late 20s refused to accept gold and timber as payment for our vital equipment and equipment grain-they wanted to choke us with hunger (at the same time, the USA did not help, in which at that time millions were dying of hunger) ...
        we didn’t have peacetime, we were always on the verge of survival ... you, John, don’t remember kinship, don’t remember anything ... and you don’t have any memory or conscience ...
        1. Evrepid
          Evrepid 26 May 2013 06: 14 New
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          Do not forget the red-burned villages and farms in the Rostov region and the Krasnodar Territory.
          And then you get too bright a halo.
          If you already list then list everything item by item, you should not choose.
          1. smile
            smile 27 May 2013 02: 37 New
            +1
            krokodil25y
            The villages were burned by both the red and the "whites" ... the same way .... whites more often, due to their familiarity ... civil war .... if you think that the reds should have been holier and more humane than the "whites" .... then you are wrong ..... the concessions of the white knights of the coastal territories of the Baltic states, Murmansk, Vladik, the Baku deposits, the Turkestan VO under treaties to the Britons, French, Yap, Amkrikans against the background of a fierce struggle of bad communes for a single and indivisible ... look somehow bad ..... do not you think?
            And the halo ... those who reassembled Russia ... after the collapse of February, after the brutal massacre unleashed by the civil war not by the Bolsheviks ... after the interventionists were put in place, after the internal party purge-the continuation of the GW .... you know, perhaps a halo is what they deserve ....
            1. Evrepid
              Evrepid 28 May 2013 14: 59 New
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              I said that it was not necessary to make saints from them, not saints, and it was not necessary to make saints from the king, not a saint.

              Enough of every creature in a pair.

              The collapse of February. Non-whites paid 6 billion gold rubles (if my memory serves me right) for the First World War, and non-whites signed the Brest peace.
              Ryltsa both in those and others in a huge gun. My grandfather did not think that he was worthy of a halo, he was a simple person, he didn’t climb in front of everyone and thought that he did everything, did it for people.

              And I think that the halo would "sting" him.
      3. Airman
        Airman 25 May 2013 20: 24 New
        +1
        Quote: anton107798
        [But your reasoning leads to the idea that the Germans should be reminded every day about what their great-grandfathers-great-grandfathers did, and what are they to blame for? or Israel, the Jews executed Christ, so now they have to remember it until a century.

        The Russian proverb says: Whoever remembers the old is overlooked, and whoever forgets both off. The story is created by actions, not words. And the Agreement was signed by the same traitor EBN, a place in the history of which our descendants will determine. NOBODY IS FORGOTTEN AND NOTHING NOT FORGOTTEN!
      4. Misantrop
        Misantrop 25 May 2013 21: 08 New
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        Quote: anton107798
        Time goes by, mistakes are forgiven. But your reasoning leads to the idea that the Germans need to be reminded every day about what their great-grandfathers and great-grandfathers did, and what are they to blame for?

        Do not confuse forgiveness with heroization? They demand compensation for what, for treason? And if the living people have nothing to do with it, then what exactly are the compensations for them?

        Let’s decide what we’ll do then. Forgive or restore historical justice?
    5. Moon
      Moon 25 May 2013 20: 55 New
      +1
      11.05.2013g
      “You understand, he is a very wounded man. All the time he is on a sharp nerve, who said about him. Recognize him as the main or do not recognize. For him, this is in the forefront. I do not presume to judge why. I believe that this was an unfortunate choice at the time. He, of course, made a number of mistakes. When he arrived, for all the contradictions that existed, there was a common field of the Russian community of Crimea, there was no official split in this Russian community of Crimea. I think that conclusions will be drawn from this when appointing a new consul, ”said Zatulin.
      According to Zatulin, in June 2013 the Consul General of the Russian Federation in the Crimea will be replaced.
      http://new-sebastopol.com/news/novosti_sevastopolya/Zatulin_Genkonsul_Rossii_v_K
      rimu_chelovek_ochen_uyazvlenniy

      Pay attention to the date when it was said.

      "The demarche of the Russian consul in Crimea is, of course, an unprecedented case! The coolest thing is that now there will be people who will claim that the consul was removed because of his statements about the Crimean Tatars. In fact, the secret of Polichinel was that the question the dismissal of the consul was indeed a matter of several weeks. Personally, I have long called on the Foreign Ministry to do this. And because of the statements not about the Tatars, but about the Russians in Crimea! This consul has long decided that he is a proconsul or even a procurator in Crimea. Why was he not removed on time, before these demarches, this is a serious question for the Russian Foreign Ministry and those who determine its personnel policy. "

      These are the words of V. Kornilov, who was a hollow bream and even more so a Russophobe.
      Andreev caught himself late, but he wanted to leave beautifully, slamming the door loudly. And he did it. But there was more harm in Crimea from him and no correct rhetoric of today can be fixed.
  2. Denis
    Denis 25 May 2013 06: 17 New
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    And here - such words of the Russian consul on the air! Crimean Tatar political elite demanded that the Ukrainian authorities call Andreev persona non grata and immediately expel from the country
    There are still people!
    Not everyone in line for grants chokes
    Betrayal can only justify the same traitor
    1. SASCHAmIXEEW
      SASCHAmIXEEW 25 May 2013 11: 20 New
      +7
      Denis You are right !!! And about the department, can it be considered a department together with the territory, the transfer of Crimean residents from the RSFSR to the Ukrainian SSR? If "YES" then the Crimea is Russian !!!
  3. individual
    individual 25 May 2013 06: 25 New
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    It is quite stand in solidarity with the opinion of Vladimir Andreev due to the deportation of the Crimean Tatars in 1944.
    Tolerance is useless here. The giveaway of the Russian authorities in 1992. I consider the deportation illegal as a mistake and a distortion of the historical TRUTH of not simple Soviet history.
    We must always remember, regardless of the conjuncture, that Betrayal is always punishable.
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 25 May 2013 11: 49 New
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      The interview of Vladimir Andreev looks in bitter feeling. It is painful to watch how a worthy person is being bullied for telling him the truth!
      1. Misantrop
        Misantrop 25 May 2013 15: 21 New
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        Quote: Hudo
        It is painful to watch how a worthy person is being bullied for telling him the truth!
        There is information that the issue of its removal has already been resolved earlier. The diplomat wanted to tell the truth at least in the end, got a policy of crooked mirrors ... request
        1. smile
          smile 25 May 2013 19: 30 New
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          Misantrop

          And I think that this is our consistent policy ... at first, in the European Court we fought off the Poles and Katyns ... slowly we are giving up concessions.
          A diplomat of this rank cannot but be very disciplined, and would not make such a scandalous (but absolutely correct) statement without the approval of the leadership ... he understands that if the leadership has to apologize, this is the loss of Russia's prestige ... of course, the question of his departure is decided in advance, it is obvious ...
          I imagine with what pleasure the diplomat said what he thinks, for diplomats this is usually an inaccessible luxury ... :)))
          I will be wrong only in one case, if Pu or DAM apologize ... if not, then right! :)))
        2. Airman
          Airman 25 May 2013 20: 44 New
          +4
          [quote = Misantrop]! [/ quote] There is information that the issue of its removal has already been resolved earlier. The diplomat wanted to tell the truth at least in the end, got a policy of crooked mirrors ... request[/ Quote]
          There is a good anecdote: 1. If the officer said "YES", it means "YES", if he said "NO", then it means "NO", if the officer said "MAY BE", it is no longer an officer.
          2. If a girl said "NO", then it "MAY BE", if she said "MAY BE", then it is "YES", if she said "YES", then this is no longer a girl.
          3. If the diplomat said "YES", it means "MAY BE", if he said "MAY BE", then it means "NO", but if the diplomat said "NO", he is no longer a diplomat.
          And this diplomat acted as an OFFICER-NAME THINGS BY OWN NAMES.
  4. Garrin
    Garrin 25 May 2013 06: 28 New
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    “I do not need your advice! - sharply answered Andreev. “Everything I said today is completely official.” Here, write down and scroll to any Crimean Tatar. My word and the word of Russia should sound, should be known, including my interview today. This is so that the truth about the Great Patriotic War sounded including with those episodes that for some reason 18 of May (on this day, the Crimean Tatars mark the anniversary of the deportation every year. - Note KM.RU) are hushed up. In this film, they are not. This is precisely the theme of betrayal. ”

    I fully support the consul.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 25 May 2013 06: 43 New
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      Quote: Garrin
      I fully support the consul.

      Russian Consul General resigns in Crimea due to conflict with Russian Foreign Ministry

      “I remain of my opinion. I regard the statement by the Foreign Ministry as helpless. They make excuses for the fact that I did not speak and, on the contrary, do not support me in those positions from which it is impossible to backtrack, ”Andreev said.
      http://news.mail.ru/inworld/ukraina/global/112/politics/13229471/

      The position of the official Russian Federation on the side of the Tatars request
      1. Denis
        Denis 25 May 2013 06: 54 New
        +9
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        The position of the official Russian Federation on the side of the Tatars
        Alas, this is not the first time that people's conscience and position (it seems that from the Kama Sutra) of the authorities are not together
      2. baltika-18
        baltika-18 25 May 2013 12: 15 New
        +8
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Russian Consul General resigns in Crimea due to conflict with Russian Foreign Ministry

        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        The position of the official Russian Federation on the side of the Tatars

        Our authorities, that gays, only twist ass and ours and yours.
        Nasty b *** a-fly.
      3. ozs
        ozs 25 May 2013 16: 13 New
        +1
        And you thought it would be different.
        In Russia, at the official level, de-Stalinization is carried out. And these are all links of one chain.
      4. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 26 May 2013 06: 23 New
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        The position of the official Russian Federation on the side of the Tatars

        So Crimea is not Russia yet request
      5. Evrepid
        Evrepid 26 May 2013 06: 36 New
        -3
        Do you want a war in the Russian Federation? nevertheless, don’t give a damn, but the Tatars in the Russian Federation are about 30% and I don’t think that they will be silent.
        Yes, and the gold reserve of the Russian Federation, I’ll still remind you in Kazan.
        And who should fight that? Who should be blown away because someone considers Russia only part of the territory of the Russian Federation? They talked so much during this time about heroism and cowardice and betrayal.
        I will say this: Believe it or not, Moscow is actively recruiting people to lead a "crusade" against, as recruiters say, "blacks." And this propaganda is very actively spreading among half-educated and fools who rush at the citizens of the Russian Federation with their fists and shout at all hearing that blacks should be hung on lampposts, while the FSB and the Ministry of Internal Affairs are standing and looking at how those who want to hang.
        And when they give such a screamer in the face, they begin to twist the hands of the one who gave him in the face.

        So where this arrogance comes from is not visible with an armed gaze.
        Do not put cons, gentlemen. This is a bitter truth. I personally saw it.
        1. Denis
          Denis 26 May 2013 21: 26 New
          +1
          Quote: Evrepid
          that it is necessary to hang black on lampposts, while the FSB and the Ministry of Internal Affairs are standing and watching how those who want to hang behave.
          And when they give such a screamer in the face, they begin to twist the hands of the one who gave him in the face.
          But is it not the other way around, an unworthy Goebels student? He even fumbled comfortably
          underestimates and fools
          That's for sure, I would also say about Mitrofanushka who did not know and didn’t want to know the geography, but such people don’t understand
          throw themselves at the citizens of the Russian Federation
          Central Asia and Azerbaijan too?
          Do you want a war in the Russian Federation?
          little beaten in Moscow, beat the arsonists to hang
          They will not blame for this since edge how stupid
          1. Evrepid
            Evrepid 28 May 2013 14: 42 New
            -1
            Quote: Denis
            But is it not the other way around, an unworthy Goebels student? He even fumbled comfortably


            Not the other way around! I am not lying. It makes no sense.
            Here is a piece of conversation with one such Muscovite:
            She: Come along here. Breathing is not possible! (sitting near the house nibbles seeds)
            Me: And you think who built the house in which you live? Not Tajiks? And here you are sitting, husking seeds, throwing husks on the ground, who will clean? You? Or Tajiks?
            She: I pay them for cleaning.
            Me: And you pick up a whisk and notice for yourself, Tajiks don’t have to pay.
            She: Why should I sweep it?

            Well and so on. So my friend, be careful calling each other.

            Quote: Denis
            rush on citizens of the Russian Federation; Central Asia and Azerbaijan too?


            not. Young man. In Russian and Tatars and Krasnodar, Rostov, Kazan.
            Moreover, it is in the regions that are of the "Russians" type (Kolomenskoye for example), where there are not many Azerbaijanis, Kalmyks, Tatars, Tajiks, and I described how the "Russians" behave in these regions.
            In Kolomenskoye: Drunk people throw themselves at people to fight, like "Russians", and the cops sit in their booths and watch, when they get such "Russians", then the cops climb out of their booths to figure it out.
            Quote: Denis
            But is it not the other way around, an unworthy Goebels student? He even fumbled comfortably
          2. Evrepid
            Evrepid 28 May 2013 14: 50 New
            0
            And about geography too, I can tell you the most.
            What will begin on the Crimean peninsula, do you think the Tatars from Kazan will calmly watch? They have relatives not only in Moscow and Kiev, but also in the Crimea.
            Think and argue with facts, and then recently one of the same on the forum about cars began to drive a blizzard: Do not buy a car, Uzbeks make it! They are g ... etc. He was also called "Russian", shouted that Azerbaijanis and Uzbeks and Tajiks had come in large numbers and therefore the car was bad. although I did not see her in the eyes.
            1. CTEPX
              CTEPX 28 May 2013 19: 14 New
              0
              Quote: Evrepid
              What will begin on the Crimean peninsula, do you think the Tatars from Kazan will calmly watch?

              Judging by the posts - you are narrow-minded and very poorly trained "troll". Moreover, writing in pursuit, when the topic has already cooled down)).
              In place of your curators ... in short, I would have kicked you out)).
          3. Evrepid
            Evrepid 28 May 2013 15: 30 New
            -1
            Вот почитайте внимательно как вели себя: http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B5_%D0%BD%D0%B0%D
            1%80%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B5_%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%87%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0
            % B8% D0% B5

            http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE-%D0%BB%D
            0%B8%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%BE%D0%BA%D0%BA%D1%83%D0%BF%D0
            %B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8F_%D0%9C%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B2%D1%8B

            apparently not much has changed since then.
  5. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 25 May 2013 06: 33 New
    20
    And let’s remake the story so that we don’t hurt anyone and throw out all the conquest wars, all cases of genocide, and that the Turks won’t recognize the Armenian genocide, they even bring anyone who stutters about it to justice. How easy it is to shut up everyone who is for the truth. only because truth doesn’t change because of this, it doesn’t become whiter or blacker. Maybe all the same people should know their history, even that for which it should be a shame. If you are ashamed, then there is a chance of not repeating what has been done again.
    This is how normal, decent employees are squeezed out of the Foreign Ministry.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 25 May 2013 08: 16 New
      +9
      Quote: vladsolo56
      How easy it is to shut up everyone who is for the truth. only because the truth doesn’t change because of this,

      even as it changes in people's heads. Killers and war criminals become heroes, as an example of the SS in some of the once-union republics.
      As an example, Japan’s nuclear bombardment, many Japanese people think and believe that it was the USSR that dropped bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki and convinced the opposite.
      People make history, they change it, how beneficial it is in a given period of time. hi
      1. vladsolo56
        vladsolo56 25 May 2013 08: 57 New
        +2
        not the truth is changing, only the interpretation of events is changing.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 25 May 2013 11: 42 New
          +2
          Quote: vladsolo56
          only the interpretation of events changes.

          From that it is not easier.
  6. trenitron
    trenitron 25 May 2013 06: 51 New
    +7
    Man ... I won’t say anything else
  7. aszzz888
    aszzz888 25 May 2013 06: 58 New
    +3
    Treason is not only MANDATORY punishable, but also unforgettable in people's memory. And in this memory of the people a lot ...
  8. Fedor
    Fedor 25 May 2013 07: 09 New
    15
    I think that having played a giveaway with Ukraine, the Russian Foreign Ministry made a strategic mistake. And rude. Here, in Ukraine, this is regarded unambiguously as a victory over an imperial monster - Russia and as historical rightness in suppressing collaboration and crimes committed by the Tatars during the Nazi occupation. Mr. Lavrov should not be surprised at the next issue of the program, when the Russian ambassador in Kiev will be called on the carpet and will report that they dare to call the fascists in the Russian press - fascists, traitors - traitors, and cowards - cowards.
    1. ozs
      ozs 25 May 2013 16: 17 New
      0
      In a democratic society, truth and falsehood have the same rights.
  9. uzer 13
    uzer 13 25 May 2013 07: 33 New
    10
    Crimean Tatars reappeared in Crimea because some political circles took advantage of them. If you recall how this happened, and it was a well-planned and organized seizure of land, you can understand that some influential political forces stood behind the Tatars and serious preparations were made for this event. But those who agreed to participate in this adventure may turn out to be a bargaining chip in a political game. Politics - things are fickle.
    1. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 25 May 2013 11: 03 New
      +6
      Quote: uzer 13
      Crimean Tatars reappeared in Crimea

      How is it again? After returning in the early 90's, they did not leave there. You do not remember conflicts with residents of places that were once Tatars inhabited. Onizh, judging by media reports, simply forced tenants to free their territories. Sometimes these coercions crossed all borders and were very similar to the actions of Chechens expelling the Russian population of Chechnya.
      1. Misantrop
        Misantrop 25 May 2013 15: 29 New
        +3
        Quote: Hedgehog
        After returning in the early 90's, they did not leave there. You do not remember conflicts with residents of places that were once Tatars inhabited. Onizh, judging by media reports, simply forced tenants to free their territories. Sometimes these coercions crossed all borders and were very similar to the actions of the Chechens expelling the Russian population of Chechnya.
        I’ll fix it a bit. For the first time this did not happen in the 90s, but in 1953, after the death of Stalin. And the circumstances of this return were such that a second deportation was carried out in the same year. That's just about this deportation you will not find nowhere a single official line. She remained only in the memory of Crimeans ...
        1. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak 25 May 2013 17: 30 New
          +2
          Quote: Misantrop
          For the first time this did not happen in the 90s, but in 1953, after the death of Stalin.

          You're right. I did not mention this for a simple reason. Today, units remember the one who succeeded Stalin after death. Similarly with the one you reminded. 90 years to modern people are closer and better preserved in their memory.
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    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 25 May 2013 08: 21 New
      16
      Quote: Ermek
      The Consul General is primarily a diplomat. and he is like an elephant in a china shop and still screams loudest about betrayal

      Oh, a guest with an American flag, and speak the words of Putin. Somehow it’s not patriotic towards the USA.
      The consul is a representative of the state and said that there is, only without political correctness.
      Quote: Ermek
      And the number of ROA alone, according to various sources, is from 200 thousand to 1 million

      About a million, but how many of this million were Crimean Tatars?
      Quote: Ermek
      And who burned Katyn?

      Well, tell me about Katyn, some facts have surfaced lately. Yes, such that the Poles and the Western world as a whole chose to forget and shut up.
      Quote: Ermek
      He is not a diplomat, but a simple one.

      Is that you say to McFaul or Clinton?
      1. Denis
        Denis 25 May 2013 08: 37 New
        13
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Is that what you say to McFaul or Clinton?
        From their words and to the same pieces of silver and sings
        He also confuses Khatyn with Katyn, an ignoramus
    2. Vladimir_61
      Vladimir_61 25 May 2013 08: 28 New
      +5
      Quote: Ermek
      He is not a diplomat, but a simple one.


      Everyone judges according to their own content. We recall the American robbery army.
    3. Denis
      Denis 25 May 2013 08: 41 New
      +7
      Quote: Ermek
      And who burned Katyn? So let not tryndit
      And what was burning there? Even the Poles, well-known specialists in this matter, aren’t so trunks
    4. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 25 May 2013 11: 07 New
      +6
      Quote: Ermek
      the number of ROA alone, according to various sources, is from 200 thousand to 1 million. And if you add the policemen and other traitors?

      Well, the USSR dealt with these and they all got what they deserved. She is whom she was shot to, who was sent to the zone, and whom the United States sheltered, she loves traitors, of all colors. Here you are sheltered there.
      Learn to be responsible for the actions of fellow tribesmen and for yourself.
    5. vaddy72
      vaddy72 25 May 2013 11: 48 New
      +6
      Looking at the world through a star-striped rag is harmful - the brain is reduced.
    6. OTTO
      OTTO 25 May 2013 12: 39 New
      +4
      Quote: Ermek
      And who burned Katyn?

      Maybe Khatyn? there really the 118th battalion of policemen "distinguished itself".
    7. Sour
      Sour 25 May 2013 13: 15 New
      +8
      And the number of ROA alone, according to various sources, is from 200 thousand to 1 million.
      ??
      As of the spring of 1945, the ROA consisted of 135 thousand people (of which about a third were Ukrainians, about 20 thousand Tatars, many Belarusians, Armenians, Ossetians and even Tajiks; the 2nd ROA division consisted of half of the former Belarusian policemen). The data about the "million Vlasovites", among whom all the polls are supposedly Russians, is a lie that can be easily refuted.
    8. Misantrop
      Misantrop 25 May 2013 15: 32 New
      +6
      Quote: Ermek
      There were only 300-400 thousand Crimean Tatars with children and old people.
      And given that the Germans were able to form 12 punitive battalions + 10 separate punitive companies out of this number, the picture is drawn very impressive ... Almost ALL who are capable of carrying weapons became punitive. True, there were 4 Crimean Tartars who fought during the occupation as part of the Yalta partisan detachment, but here is the general ratio ... request

      According to the laws of war, what was supposed to be traitors? And when you consider that a significant part of the army, returning the Crimea, were immigrants from the Crimea, what was waiting for the traitors and their families? .. That's right, the execution. And - well deserved. So deportation of them actually saved. And thanks for the salvation ...
  11. seller trucks
    seller trucks 25 May 2013 08: 52 New
    37
    I am a Crimean myself, I do not want to comment at all:


    It is also very interesting to read the newspaper Azat Krym (Liberated Crimea), published in the occupied Crimea from 1942 to 1944. Here are some typical excerpts12:
    November 03.03.1942, XNUMX
    After our German brothers crossed the historical moat at the gates of Perekop, the great sun of freedom and happiness rose for the peoples of Crimea.
    November 10.03.1942, XNUMX
    Alushta. At a meeting hosted by the Muslim Committee, the Muslims expressed their gratitude to the Grand Führer Adolf Hitler-Effendi for the free life given to them by the Muslim people. Then they organized a divine service for the preservation of life and health for many years to Adolf Hitler-effendi.
    In the same issue:
    Great Hitler - the liberator of all peoples and religions! 2 thousand Tatars der. Kokkozy (now the village of Sokolinoe, Bakhchisaray district) and the surrounding area gathered for a prayer service ... in honor of the German warriors. We made a prayer to the German martyrs of the war ... The entire Tatar people pray every minute and ask Allah to grant the Germans victory over the whole world. Oh great leader, we tell you from the bottom of our hearts, from our whole being, trust us! We Tatars give the floor to fight the herd of Jews and Bolsheviks together with the German soldiers in the same row! .. May God thank you, our great Mr. Hitler!
    November 20.03.1942, XNUMX
    Together with the glorious German brothers, who arrived in time to free the East, we, the Crimean Tatars, declare to the whole world that we have not forgotten Churchill's solemn promises in Washington, his desire to revive the Jewish rule in Palestine, his desire to destroy Turkey, to capture Istanbul and the Dardanelles raise a rebellion in Turkey and Afghanistan, etc. etc. The East is waiting for its liberator not from the lying democrats and swindlers, but from the National Socialist Party and from the liberator Adolf Hitler. We took an oath to make sacrifices for such a sacred to a brilliant task.
    November 10.04.1942, XNUMX
    From the message to A. Hitler, accepted at the prayer service of more than 500 Muslims in Karasubazar.
    Our liberator! We are only thanks to you, your help and thanks to the courage and dedication of your troops, have managed to open our houses of worship and perform prayers in them. Now there is no and cannot be such a force that would separate us from the German people and from you. The Tatar people swore and pledged, having volunteered to join the ranks of the German troops, hand in hand with your troops to fight against the enemy to the last drop of blood. Your victory is the victory of the entire Muslim world. We pray to God for the health of your troops and ask God to give you, the great liberator of peoples, long years of life. You are now the liberator, the leader of the Muslim world - gases Adolf Hitler.
    In the same issue.
    The liberator of the oppressed peoples, the son of the German people, Adolf Hitler.
    We, Muslims, with the arrival of the valiant sons of Great Germany in Crimea, with your blessing and in memory of your long-standing friendship, shoulder to shoulder with the German people, took up arms and started fighting to the last drop of blood for the great universal ideas put forward by you - the destruction of the red Jewish Bolshevik plague to the end and without a trace.
    Our ancestors came from the East, and we were waiting for liberation from there, today we are witnesses that liberation comes to us from the west. Maybe for the first and only time in history it happened that the sun of freedom rose from the west. This sun is you, our great friend and leader, with your mighty German people.
    Presidium of the Muslim Committee.
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop 25 May 2013 15: 40 New
      +3
      Quote: seller trucks
      I am Crimean myself
      Remember Yalta. The building of the German commandant's office has survived to this day. And if you wish, you can scrape off the post-war paint to re-open the German order (written right on the wall). Especially his point, which directly concerns Russians and Tatars: "For the killed Russian, 10 Tatars were shot." This is HOW you had to behave so that the Germans would write THIS and were going to do it? ..
  12. Net
    Net 25 May 2013 08: 58 New
    17
    Here you have Moscow’s position in our Crimea! How many banderlogs blather in Ukraine, and at least once the ambassador shut their mouths! And everything is true about the Crimean Tatars, if they so moan about deportation, then we should not forget about historical facts. Treason in the Crimean War, in the Second World War. It is necessary to remove the filmets, as their ancestors ravaged our southern borders, stole prisoners and sold Russian people on the slave market in Cafe. Please also note that this so-called the film was shot with the participation of the Mejlis, if anyone does not know - this is an illegal formation, like their government, which at all times of the under-state of Ukraine was on the side of banderlogs. I must say that the Mejlis is far from all Tatars, and very many of them are wonderful people, they prefer not to remember about such things as deportation, because we also have something to remember. We live together, normal people. And fanatics of the Mejlis are their lot to scream and howl at every event connected with Russia, such as the installation of a monument to Catherine in Simferopol.
    1. Corneli
      Corneli 25 May 2013 22: 42 New
      -3
      Quote: Netto
      Please also note that this so-called the film was shot with the participation of the Mejlis, if anyone does not know - this is an illegal formation, like their government, which at all times sub-states of Ukraine was on the side of banderlog

      Another "Ukrainian lover"?
      1. Hudo
        Hudo 25 May 2013 22: 54 New
        0
        Quote: Corneli

        Another "Ukrainian lover"?


        With what, I would like to know, do you disagree? Without slogans and spells, if possible.
        1. Corneli
          Corneli 25 May 2013 23: 25 New
          0
          Quote: Hudo
          With what, I would like to know, do you disagree? Without slogans and spells, if possible.

          To begin with, read the quote ... about the "non-state", I could continue to disassemble, but broke) If you, for example, consider it in the order of things to name a neighboring country with a population of 45 million people (and the second largest in Europe, after Russia incidentally)) of which about 20% of the Russian population "nedogosudarstvo" ... So what to talk to you about?
          1. Hudo
            Hudo 25 May 2013 23: 54 New
            +1
            Quote: Corneli
            First, read the quote ... about "understates"


            And what, in fact, is wrong? What is bias here?

            A short course of wiring and reactions ukrolohoktorata.

            1. The first wiring (1986 (?) - 1991)
            * Leaving the USSR (read, from the native Moscow) -and right away we will start to live much better (second France) *
            result- * no-on-lu-cha-issa *
            reaction: you have to go somewhere ... (Maskva-praaative!)

            2. The second layout (1991-1998?)
            * Everything will be fine .... we will carefully lay down under the USA and at the same time be friends with Russia ... The Diaspora will help us *
            result- * no-on-lu-cha-issa ...
            reaction: we have to go somewhere .. let's try it in Europe (they took us and we will be taken .. Maskva is practical and impoverished !!!)

            3. The layout of the third (1999-2005)
            * Everything will definitely be fine ... it’s a growth disease ... just about everything will work out .. It’s better not to hurt Russia .. *
            result- * not in a lu-cha-issa! *
            reaction: you need kudy - then URGENTLY run ... (s-tsuki get rich .. for our account clearly ...)

            4. The layout of the fourth (2005-2010)
            We are a unique nation! We are looking forward to the EU and NATO! Such a nation simply cannot fail!
            result: * NOT_PO_LU_CHA_ISSYA !!!! *
            reaction: it is necessary to begin to rob her .. if they are swearing their damned gas through us? We want to be in share !!!

            Understatement is!
            1. Corneli
              Corneli 26 May 2013 00: 10 New
              0
              I will not answer points like you, so as not to cause the "righteous" anger of Russian members of the forum.
              As for the wiring, with some adjustments, you can write almost the same thing about Russia (apparently you forgot about the "good" uncle EBN and his Belovezhskaya initiatives). As for the "shares" and other things ... it seems everyone understands that in the EU we were not needed before, but right now, against the backdrop of the crisis, and even more so ... But why are we in no hurry to enter the Customs Union? And we don’t "ask" (like invited), but simply don’t go? And not in 1986-2010, but right now?
              And yes ... I wrote about the "understate", if you think so ... well, good luck)
              1. Hudo
                Hudo 26 May 2013 00: 18 New
                0
                Quote: Corneli
                As for the layout, with some adjustments, you can write almost the same about Russia (apparently you forgot about the "good" uncle EBN and his Belovezhskaya initiatives)


                Dear loser, Ukraine did not become a "state" and it is not safe to persist in its dreams for your fragile health. In the next year or two, Ukraine has every chance to turn into rubble, which will be taken away by its neighbors. And all because of the moronic Galicians, not by the rank of insolent and annoyingly sticking out their supposedly special Piedmontese (Galychina ... haaaaa-haaaaa !!!) position.
                1. Corneli
                  Corneli 26 May 2013 00: 41 New
                  +1
                  Thank you for the "loser") I consider this a compliment from your lips)))
                  My health is my problem, take better care of yours)
                  Quote: Hudo
                  In the next year or two, Ukraine has every chance of turning into debris that neighbors will pull away.

                  In the next year or two, maybe ... for example:
                  1. World War 3 begins and all will be bombed with vigorous bombs ...
                  2. 2 particularly tough rounds of the financial crisis will begin, and not the ice will live in the whole world (and in Russia too)
                  3. Citizens of Islamic appearance, having won in Syria, will trample with Jihad in Russia (with "insignificant" support from your Western "partners") and in Russia there will be no ice ...
                  4. An asteroid will fall on the ground and dream of everyone ....
                  5. Due to the mutant virus, *** va cloud of zombies that will devour everyone laughing
                  In the same style, I can write a lot more about the nearest "future") The price of the above is about the same as your forecast)
                  The only thing about which I agree is about the "Galich citizens" and other "Svoboda" ... The guys are really lost (
            2. Denis
              Denis 26 May 2013 00: 19 New
              +1
              Quote: Hudo
              . First wiring (1986 (?) - 1991)
              * Leaving the USSR (read, from the native Moscow) -and right away we will start to live much better (second France) *
              result- * no-on-lu-cha-issa *
              Oh, yes! When trying to refuse the ruble, coupons were invented even before the current currency. When they were introduced at that time, the prez-kravchuk swore all the holes that 10 of these coupons were firm and would always cost 1 $. As for the bazaar, he answered without knowing, but after a couple - for three months, they were glued toilets
              1. Corneli
                Corneli 26 May 2013 00: 26 New
                -1
                Quote: Hudo
                1. The first wiring (1986 (?) - 1991)
                * Leaving the USSR (read, from the native Moscow) -and right away we will start to live much better (second France) *
                result- * no-on-lu-cha-issa *

                Quote: Denis
                Oh, yes! When trying to refuse the ruble, coupons were invented even before the current currency. When they were introduced at that time, the prez-kravchuk swore all the holes that 10 of these coupons were firm and would always cost 1 $. As for the bazaar, he answered without knowing, but after a couple - for three months, they were glued toilets

                "After the collapse of the Soviet Union and the founding of an independent Ukrainian state on January 10, 1992, coupon-karbovanets were introduced."
                Confused a little date ... and so the rules)
              2. Evrepid
                Evrepid 28 May 2013 15: 41 New
                -1
                As far as I remember, a certain EBN sitting in the Kremlin vowed that he would fall on the rails if there was a crisis.

                Do not notice a log in our eye? :)
    2. Ayrat M
      Ayrat M 26 May 2013 20: 17 New
      -1
      [quote = Netto] And everything is true about Crimean Tatars, if they moan about deportation like that, then one should not forget about historical facts. Treason in the Crimean War, in the Second World War. It is necessary to remove the filmets, as their ancestors ravaged our southern borders, drove them captive and sold Russian people on the slave market in Cafe [/ quote

      Muslims cannot be made a slave to a co-religionist. in Russia, starting from Kievan, and until 1861, most of their own people were slaves of a smaller part of their co-religionists. and traded them like in the Cafe. the same Svyatoslav Igorevich the Brave captured a lot of prisoners in foreign lands and brought him into slavery in Russia, many Slavic brothers went with him in slaves
      1. Misantrop
        Misantrop 26 May 2013 20: 26 New
        0
        Quote: Ayrat M
        Muslims cannot be made a slave to a co-religionist.

        The present among the slaves and their own come across. And they are whipping vodka under the lard as many times as I have watched. You can talk a lot about the ancestors, but only these stories can be called TRUE with a stretch, the time machine has not yet been put in a series. We are talking about our contemporaries and their behavior on the peninsula, where they returned
      2. Evrepid
        Evrepid 28 May 2013 15: 45 New
        -1
        And serfdom was canceled when?
        And the nostrils tore and ears, and the phrase: "There is no issue from the Don" was forgotten and why it arose was also forgotten.

        Probably they ran away from a good life to free people, from their good boyars.

        That's right, you have to poke your nose in, otherwise they are so good right there!
  13. cooper
    cooper 25 May 2013 09: 18 New
    -39
    you are trying to blame the whole nation for betrayal, This is precisely called FASCISM.
    1. seller trucks
      seller trucks 25 May 2013 09: 49 New
      15
      and you generally know the history of the Crimean Kypchaks, I advise you to get acquainted, this "people" was engaged in the slave trade, and now they are engaged in the production and sale of drugs
      1. gladiatorakz
        gladiatorakz 25 May 2013 10: 32 New
        -14
        Quote: seller trucks
        and now engaged in the production and marketing of drugs

        No more than representatives of other nations.
        1. seller trucks
          seller trucks 25 May 2013 10: 40 New
          +6
          here you go to grandmothers in the bazaar, tell me, there’s no need to treat me, okay?
          1. gladiatorakz
            gladiatorakz 25 May 2013 13: 40 New
            -10
            Quote: seller trucks
            here you go to grandmothers in the bazaar, tell me, there’s no need to treat me, okay?

            Judging by your comments and reactions, it would be a good idea to heal just right. Stay with your opinion. (if it is and if it is its laughing ) It is possible that you are more aware of who to buy drugs from.
            1. seller trucks
              seller trucks 25 May 2013 14: 31 New
              +3
              Of my four childhood friends who remained to live in Crimea, three died from an overdose, is that more understandable?
              1. gladiatorakz
                gladiatorakz 26 May 2013 09: 42 New
                0
                Quote: seller trucks
                Of my four childhood friends who remained to live in Crimea, three died from an overdose, is that more understandable?

                Tell you how things are with drugs in Ekaterinburg? Samara, Togliatti? Are there also Crimean Tatars?
            2. Denis
              Denis 25 May 2013 16: 40 New
              +2
              Quote: gladiatorakz
              it’s possible that you are more aware of who to buy drugs from
              To go nuts what a secret!
              Even without prices, the old ladies on the bench know
              Although the policemen too ...
              1. gladiatorakz
                gladiatorakz 26 May 2013 09: 54 New
                -1
                Quote: Denis
                To go nuts what a secret!
                Even without prices, the old ladies on the bench know
                Although the policemen too ...

                So this is bad. We can’t put things in order in our house. And we blame someone. Tatars are bad, police, etc. And ask yourself a question: What can I do to close this drug flow? And why didn’t I do it? I will say without unnecessary modesty I do. Constantly. From pressing dealers to horizontal bars and bars in crowded places of youth. For your money. How can I help the children's wrestling, boxing sections. Until they started to do something themselves, I think it’s not figs to blame anyone except yourself.
              2. Evrepid
                Evrepid 28 May 2013 15: 48 New
                -1
                And why then they do nothing these policemen?
                not wondering?

                were cops did nothing in this regard. become policemen do nothing.
                What has Zin changed? :)
        2. Ayrat M
          Ayrat M 26 May 2013 00: 09 New
          +1
          I worked for a couple of years in Samara, in the workshop 5-6 people sat on heroin tightly, and you know, nobody went to the "Zubchag" to the Gypsies or to any other minorities. quite so titular Russian persons. there are bad people in any nationality
      2. Misantrop
        Misantrop 25 May 2013 15: 56 New
        +1
        Quote: seller trucks
        now engaged in the production and marketing of drugs
        Okay, the slave trade is not forgotten either. In Crimea, now the slave trade and slavery are not at all exotic of past centuries
        1. Corneli
          Corneli 25 May 2013 22: 45 New
          +1
          Quote: Misantrop
          Okay, the slave trade is not forgotten either. In Crimea, now the slave trade and slavery are not at all exotic of past centuries

          Try to find true statistics on the "slave trade" now in Russia ... if you find true, you will be very surprised.
      3. 3 inches.
        3 inches. 25 May 2013 16: 58 New
        +1
        By the way, most of the slaves they mined in Ukraine. Often together with the Cossacks.
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    3. karbofos
      karbofos 25 May 2013 15: 07 New
      +3
      no, he accuses the traitors of betrayal and it is imperative to make a film about it .... multi-part !!!!!!
    4. Misantrop
      Misantrop 25 May 2013 15: 42 New
      +2
      Quote: Cooper
      trying to blame
      No, do not blame. Just talk about betrayal. Or is it the same thing?
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    6. brelok
      brelok 26 May 2013 06: 03 New
      0
      Quote: Cooper
      you are trying to blame the whole nation for betrayal, This is precisely called FASCISM.

      But it’s true! In order to protect the rear, the expulsion of the local population collaborated with the Germans.
    7. Ayrat M
      Ayrat M 26 May 2013 19: 23 New
      -1
      this is not fascism, ordinary chauvinism
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    1. smile
      smile 25 May 2013 19: 46 New
      +2
      k220150
      What kind of "Russia" is this? .. Keep your tongue and playful little hands and write the name of Russia as it should ... do you understand? ..... sssssudar.
    2. Airman
      Airman 25 May 2013 21: 25 New
      +1
      Quote: k220150
      Stupidity and betrayal are thoughts about the policy of Russia in relation to the republics. Remember Libya - the grandson of Margelov, the dismissal of the ambassador, the NET in the UN, the tongue-tied Chernomyrdin - the ambassador to Ukraine, now Andreev ... There is something to be done about this.

      You're wrong bullish ***
  15. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 25 May 2013 09: 36 New
    15
    <<< It is curious, the publication continues, that at first the creative group of "Haytarma" tried to find money in Turkey, but the Turks got acquainted with the script and sharply refused. Then the famous Russian businessman Lenur Islyamov, the owner of the Queen Group company, which is the general importer of UzDaewooAvto products in the Russian Federation, came to the aid of his fellow tribesmen. He also owns the Simferopol ATR TV channel.
    Lenur Islyamov personally paid for the extras of the new historical cinema, investing about one and a half million dollars. Filming took place in Alupka and Sudak. Large decorations of the times of the war were built in Bakhchisarai. The Russian producer provided weapons, trains, cars and airplanes of those times. >>>
    Even the Turks, the co-religionists of the Crimean Tatars, refused to sponsor a film that distorts the historical truth with an openly anti-Russian orientation. But the Russian businessman Islyamov gladly financed this anti-Russian gust! Where did this "Russian" come from, what is Russian about him, if he "LOVES" Russia so much? Making money in Russia and funding an openly anti-Russian film, doesn't it look like the PIG under an oak tree from Krylov's famous fable? Maybe with such an attitude towards Russia, it is more honest for him to stop being a Russian, or does he prefer to harm and shit from the inside, just like his protege, the Crimean Tatars, who treacherously fought on the side of the Nazis?
    1. Denis
      Denis 25 May 2013 09: 48 New
      +3
      Quote: Goldmitro
      Lenur Islyamov is the owner of the Queen Group, which is the general importer of UzDaewooAuto products in the Russian Federation
      MACHINES are rubbish and moms he ... well, seem insincere
    2. Airman
      Airman 25 May 2013 21: 37 New
      0
      Quote: Goldmitro
      <<<, But the Russian businessman Islyamov gladly financed this anti-Russian bustle! Where did this "Russian" come from, what is Russian about him, if he so "LOVES" Russia? Making money in Russia and funding an openly anti-Russian film, doesn't it look like the PIG under an oak tree from Krylov's famous fable?

      Yes, what kind of Russian is this, even by the name of he .... asshole, he bought Russian citizenship, and now we are being watched.
  16. fenix57
    fenix57 25 May 2013 09: 54 New
    +6
    It is time for the Russian leadership to review the signed October 9 1992 year"Agreement on issues related to the restoration of the rights of deported persons, national minorities and peoples."Personally, I think so. And not in favor of the "deported." Stop following the libero-tolerants.
  17. Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 25 May 2013 10: 32 New
    14
    The problems of the parasitic folk of the traitors must be solved, as the great Russian prince Svyatoslav Igorevich the Brave did.
    On July 3, 965, he once and for all eliminated a large nest of parasites - Khazaria. 1048 years have passed and not a single "deported" Khazar Jew has returned from the afterlife. This is a good high-quality work, but Stalin in 1944 cheated, throwing the problem down to posterity.
    1. sincman
      sincman 25 May 2013 12: 13 New
      11
      Quote: Corsair5912
      This is a good quality work, and Stalin in 1944 faked it, dropping the problem to posterity.

      This proves once again that he was not the tyrant with whom modern de-Stalinizers paint him (but in fact the descendants of those same Khazars)
      1. Corsair5912
        Corsair5912 25 May 2013 13: 10 New
        +4
        Stalin, by definition, could not be a tyrant, his position was elective, and the strength of his position in the government depended entirely on the opinion of the people.
        In 1944, the USSR had many problems, and Crimea was not among the main ones, they hastened, probably with deportation, not when it was busy with court and fair retribution, and then other problems appeared.
    2. Corneli
      Corneli 26 May 2013 20: 00 New
      +1
      Quote: Corsair5912
      The problems of the parasitic folk of the traitors must be solved, as the great Russian prince Svyatoslav Igorevich the Brave did.
      On July 3, 965, he once and for all eliminated a large nest of parasites - Khazaria. 1048 years have passed and not a single "deported" Khazar Jew has returned from the afterlife. This is a good high-quality work, but Stalin in 1944 cheated, throwing the problem down to posterity.

      So, I said how I cut it off ...
      And approx. in 650, entot kaganate 300 years before the campaigns of Svyatoslav and 200 years before the creation of a somewhat stable East Slavic state. He seems to have fooled a lot ... they fought with Arabs, Hungarians, Pechenegs, Alans, Byzantium (although they were often allied), in general, did a lot of things until they became peacefully settled and hit the trade (keep up Svyatoslav))
      And then the Corsair5912 came and easily made the Khazars a "parasitic people of traitors"! wassat
      The Khazars apparently parasitized and betrayed Kievan Rus? And there’s nothing terrible that she wasn’t, all the same they are traitors and parasites, Bo Korsar5912 said so (and his word is worth a lot)
      P.S. Svyatoslav, by the way, broke their ridge ... but the kaganate remained (Vladimir went there as well), and the Polovtsy "liquidated" them forever ... a little later)
      P.S.P.S. I don’t know why you to the Crimean Tatars (and were later, and the people are different, and the faith is different, and generally behaved differently)) dragged the Khazars, but before "weaving" you would have gotten sick of finding out at least a little about them (well, except that they are "Jews" and they were "destroyed" by Svyatoslav))
      1. Evrepid
        Evrepid 28 May 2013 16: 22 New
        -1
        There is nothing to add.

        Some of the citizens of the Khazar Kaganate had the Jewish faith, but also in the Khazar Kaganate were: Muslims, Christians, Zoroastrians, etc.

        And according to the map, the lands of Kievan Rus were part of the Khazar Khaganate.
    3. Evrepid
      Evrepid 28 May 2013 16: 08 New
      -1
      Here are those on?
      And then with whom are they fighting in Chechnya, not with the descendants of the Khazar Khaganate?

      Have you looked at the map for a long time?

      http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A5%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0
      %B9_%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%B3%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%82
  18. cooper
    cooper 25 May 2013 10: 41 New
    -13
    Can conduct a survey which of the peoples you like. And then I just hear, traitors, banderlogs, stupid, narrow-eyed.
    And you have the audacity to call someone fascists.
    1. Denis
      Denis 25 May 2013 16: 52 New
      +3
      Quote: Cooper
      And you have the audacity to call someone fascists.
      Not on your nelly!
      Germans and Italians will be offended, just six as Baltic geylionery
      Is it a Nazi or a fascist (even if they knew the difference)? We just see who is in shape
    2. smile
      smile 25 May 2013 20: 12 New
      +2
      cooper
      We like all nations, without exception, with the exception of those of their representatives. organizations, groups and political associations that adhere to ultranationalist Russophobic-essentially Nazi views, as well as radical extremist views ... and you, judging by your statements, love the fascist lasts and all others, just to be anti-Russian or anti-Russian? It's just that you can see it very much .... congratulations.
      1. Evrepid
        Evrepid 28 May 2013 16: 29 New
        -1
        Well, you’re just like if a Russophobe is a Nazi!
        Don't you find it harshly?

        Is Russophile not a Nazi?

        And who is the Zionist? Russophobe or Russophile? Nazi or not? :)

        Harsh, harsh however! Fascism also began with the Italianophiles :)
  19. optimist
    optimist 25 May 2013 10: 49 New
    +3
    One should not forget about the "art" of our "fellow citizens" from the North Caucasian republics. Only our supreme power on this matter put the tongue in ..opu ... Only the dough is pouring more and more into them. am
    1. Airman
      Airman 25 May 2013 21: 42 New
      +2
      Quote: optimist
      One should not forget about the "art" of our "fellow citizens" from the North Caucasian republics. Only our supreme power on this matter put the tongue in ..opu ... Only the dough is pouring more and more into them. am

      Afraid of the Olympics on the nose.
      1. Garrin
        Garrin 25 May 2013 22: 54 New
        +1
        Quote: Povshnik
        Afraid of the Olympics on the nose.

        And only they need it. To cut the dough and attach a sports complex to "Bocharov Rucheyu".
  20. stranik72
    stranik72 25 May 2013 10: 55 New
    +3
    Gentlemen, the fact of the betrayal of a very large part of the people of the Crimean Tatars took place, at that moment the authorities did the right thing, that's right, time has passed most of those who committed this betrayal in another world, the people cannot be an eternal outcast and what they should be " freed "from this stigma everything is correct, just in the decision on deportation, it should be written how ZEK served his term free, and the story was and is. So on the fact of the consul's statement on the film, everything is correct, but probably it could have been softer, still a diplomat, but in general I liked his statement about the events of the last war.
  21. Abakanets
    Abakanets 25 May 2013 11: 06 New
    -1
    How would the Crimean Tatars rehabilitated with the union.
    1. Sour
      Sour 25 May 2013 13: 18 New
      10
      The fact of their deportation was declared illegal.
      But for cooperation with the Nazis did not rehabilitate anyone.
      1. seller trucks
        seller trucks 25 May 2013 14: 36 New
        0
        fact, but they didn’t allow the return back, these are double standards
  22. gregor6549
    gregor6549 25 May 2013 11: 18 New
    12
    One of my uncles (already deceased) had a chance to fight in the Crimea and was saved only by the fact that he was wounded and they managed to evacuate him from Sevastopol before Sevastopol was taken by the Germans. He told what the "peaceful" Tatars were doing in no less "peaceful" Tatar villages of the Crimea with the Red Army men retreating to Sevastopol. And they did something very similar to what two black Muslims did recently with a soldier in London. And everyone tried: men, women and children. So it was not for nothing that Stalin evicted these "peaceful" citizens after the war to places not so remote. It is a pity that they were later allowed to return, than they put a time bomb under their own ass. And this mine will explode, and most likely not in such a distant future. In general, all these tales about peaceful and pious Muslims are high time to end. Those of them who are listed as such are quickly built and do not give much choice. Or with us, against the giaurs, or kirdyk head off to you and your whole family. Moreover, this "construction" is taking place not only in Russia, but all over the world. So then "respectable" Muslim citizens take butcher knives into their very skillful hands and go to butcher all who fall under these hands, sincerely convinced that they are doing the will of Allah. And they will cut them if they are not stopped now. In the meantime, all the strongly tolerant defenders of the rights of strongly offended Muslims raise their howls to the skies as soon as someone dares to raise a question. And why should we endure them for the sake of us? "Yes, and the little black president of the very United North American states is ready to roll barrels at anyone (and especially he wants to roll them to Russia) only not at Muslims. After all, how to offend his own? this president forbade even mentioning the terms "radical Islam and" radical Islamists "There are no such, period.
  23. Semurg
    Semurg 25 May 2013 11: 19 New
    -7
    Crimean Tatars betrayed whom? Russian or USSR? If the Russians are foolish to wait for the loyalty of one people to another (that then the Russians did not remain faithful to the Tatars of the Golden Horde), if the USSR then the Russians themselves betrayed it in the 90s, because they did not watch the Russian protesters and even more so fighting against the collapse of the USSR. The main thing is that betrayal occurred during the war, but in peacetime is betrayal permissible? While the USSR was in Russia, the Russians had a moral right to condemn the Tatars for betraying the state, but not now when they themselves betrayed the USSR or were silent under betrayal. betrayal. Betrayal is atoned for by the Tatars atone- by deportation, and the Russians can atone for by restoring the USSR, you can take cards in their hands. Or admit to yourself that you have no right to condemn anyone, neither the Tatars, nor Bendera, nor the Balts, nor the Chechens who fought against or betrayed the USSR. how they themselves betrayed the USSR (at least those who were 18 years old or more at that time) To be consistent, everyone who was 18 years old could be deported and their children would not be destroyed. And of course, the consul is very smart and talented such a pose is not bent Roman patrician, sensed where the wind of politics blew and gain a lot of points.
    1. vaddy72
      vaddy72 25 May 2013 12: 00 New
      +2
      Unfortunately, you are right, but all large nations are experiencing periods of decline and loss of territories. The Golden Horde also collapsed without a fight and resistance. But Russia retained the potential for return and the process is already underway. But atrocities, including cultural ones, on the part of other peoples in relation to the Russians, lead to an increase in radical sentiment among them, and can lead to Russian fascism at the state level, and then the Tatars will not find it enough. In Germany, this happened once. So let them think better .. though, than there to think - skullcaps?
      1. Sour
        Sour 25 May 2013 13: 08 New
        +2
        The Golden Horde fell apart for two reasons:
        1) Lack of unity among the ruling elite.
        2) Significant regional differences.
        For the same two reasons, Kievan Rus also fell apart. These two states have a lot in common.
        Some parts of the Horde were economically and culturally more connected with Europe and Russia, some with China and Central Asia, some with the Near and Middle East. Similarly, in Russia, someone traded more in the Baltic, someone on the Black Sea, and someone on the Volga-Caspian route. In those days, such states could only be united by military force and the authority of the supreme power. But after the death of Monomakh, Russia began to decay, and after the death of Tokhtamysh, the Horde began to decay.
        1. vaddy72
          vaddy72 25 May 2013 15: 24 New
          +1
          You haven’t revealed anything new to me. And anyway, what’s this for you? I cited the Golden Horde as an example because Semurg said that the Russians, you see, did not remain faithful to the Tatars of his beloved Golden Horde and did not fight for the preservation of the USSR. I gave him a return example. And what kind of educational program on your part?
        2. CTEPX
          CTEPX 25 May 2013 16: 24 New
          -1
          Quote: Sour
          The Golden Horde fell apart for two reasons

          There are suggestions that the reasons were as follows:
          The collapse of a single religion;
          -global and abrupt (in favor of the European part) climate change)).
          1. 3 inches.
            3 inches. 25 May 2013 17: 06 New
            0
            it seemed that they had no single religion. according to their law all religions were the same.
            1. CTEPX
              CTEPX 26 May 2013 05: 01 New
              -1
              Quote: 3 inches.
              so it seems they didn’t have a single religion

              There is an assumption that the only religion of Great Mughal was faith in Christ)).
              1. Denis
                Denis 26 May 2013 21: 37 New
                0
                Quote: ctepx
                There is an assumption that the only religion of Great Mughal was faith in Christ
                That’s what the journalists suggest, and they’ll lie, they won’t take too much
                Archaeologists, and finds are not words, you can’t imagine, they just laugh at it
                What religions were not there, but not a single
                1. CTEPX
                  CTEPX 27 May 2013 05: 03 New
                  -1
                  Quote: Denis
                  and finds are not words, you can’t imagine

                  That's right, there is a problem in the finds).
                  If you do not hide them in time, but the reports do not alter, and then do not destroy. What far to go, right now the story is being illustrated)).
                  1. Denis
                    Denis 27 May 2013 05: 11 New
                    0
                    Quote: ctepx
                    If you do not hide them in time
                    Religion involves cult rooms (well, a phrase), shorter than the structure. And this is not a ring or even a sword, it is difficult to hide them in a pocket or storeroom
                    1. CTEPX
                      CTEPX 27 May 2013 06: 41 New
                      0
                      Quote: Denis
                      Religion involves worship

                      Perhaps that is why the most legendary mosques (for example, in Istanbul or Kazan) are former Christian churches?)).
                      1. Ayrat M
                        Ayrat M 27 May 2013 08: 24 New
                        -1
                        Which mosque in Kazan was built on the site of an Orthodox church? Until the 16th century there were no temples and churches, so everything is well studied. but these words of yours surprised
                      2. CTEPX
                        CTEPX 27 May 2013 12: 43 New
                        0
                        Quote: Ayrat M
                        Which mosque in Kazan was built on the site of an Orthodox church?

                        You see, the temple is not Orthodox, but Christian. Existing before the split of a single religion and, accordingly, before the "formation" of Orthodoxy or Islam)).
                        And the legendary mosque, of course, is Kul-Sheriff)). Or Kul Sharif, in modern spelling)).
                      3. Ayrat M
                        Ayrat M 27 May 2013 15: 04 New
                        0
                        so a split occurred in 1054, then on the site of Kazan a small Bulgarian settlement was, it became a city much later. the millennium is far-fetched. and the mosque was later built. after the capture of Kazan by Ivan the Terrible, the mosque was destroyed or burned down. The Annunciation Cathedral was built elsewhere. the current mosque stands in place of the old one. named after the imam of the cathedral mosque who died during the assault
    2. Corneli
      Corneli 25 May 2013 22: 51 New
      +2
      Quote: Sour
      The Golden Horde fell apart for two reasons:
      1) Lack of unity among the ruling elite.
      2) Significant regional differences.
      For the same two reasons, Kievan Rus also fell apart. These two states have a lot in common.
      Some parts of the Horde were economically and culturally more connected with Europe and Russia, some with China and Central Asia, some with the Near and Middle East. Similarly, in Russia, someone traded more in the Baltic, someone on the Black Sea, and someone on the Volga-Caspian route. In those days, such states could only be united by military force and the authority of the supreme power. But after the death of Monomakh, Russia began to decay, and after the death of Tokhtamysh, the Horde began to decay.

      Now try to find the differences between the Golden Horde, the above and modern Russia ...
  24. de klermon
    de klermon 25 May 2013 16: 01 New
    +6
    Russian to fascism will not lead anything and never! Rather, Hitler would become a Zionist !!!
    But it’s important to remember something else ...
    The Crimean Khanate is a filthy stinking suppuration on the southern borders of the East Slavic world, living on robbery, robbery and the slave trade! Moreover, I will specially emphasize: all this is not about the nation, but about the state !!! Kafa is the largest market in Eastern Europe for the Crimean Tatar booty - Slavic slaves !!! The slave trade is not just the main source of income for the Tatar Crimea, it was its meaning and content! After the first Catherine's Russian-Turkish war, do you know how Russia destroyed the Crimean Khanate? She evicted Christians from there and harshly stopped raids! And that's it! Crimea has collapsed! On raids and slaves you no longer get hold of, and the Tatars did not know how to work with their own hands! In a year, Crimea has become a desert! The Tatars did not associate Crimea with their homeland, and many of them then went to co-religionists in Turkey ... Russia was forced to populate the deserted Crimea, improve it, turn it back into Taurida! The remaining Tatars, of course, suffered greatly: the new order broke their entire way of life for centuries! Moreover, it is important: the Russians never touched either the religion or the culture of the Tatars - it was about robbery, raids and slaves! But ... for the above reasons, the Tatars already strongly hated Russia even before the annexation of the Crimea, and the Slavs for them were a resource of the slave trade, like oil or gas for us now. So the Tatars lived in the Russian Empire, in the Tavricheskaya province as foreigners: they themselves did not want to integrate, the authorities did not touch them. The Soviet government came, renamed Taurida back to Tatar KYRYM and freed minorities from the "prison of peoples"! And so, some of these peoples (Tatars, Chechens and others) thanked the Soviet power in the Great Patriotic War! But the USSR quickly came to its senses - the deportation did not take place in vain! Then again there was a rollback - the rehabilitation of the repressed peoples and ... And the peoples again "thank" Russia, which can be seen from the Crimean people, the Vainakhs and many others ...
    N-n-n-d-a-a-ah-ah ... really only pale-policeman can step on the same rake five times! ..
  25. Semurg
    Semurg 25 May 2013 16: 39 New
    0
    I hope that Russia has retained the potential for return and the process will go. Only what kind of agenda for the union will put forward if Russian fascism is war, blood, hatred and little will not seem small and great to all. Germany has gone through this and is still blowing water, although in time they should already slowly begin to rattle their weapons every 30-50 years, the Germans started another war. Well, and at the expense of thinking skullcaps then everything around is stupid.
  • Misantrop
    Misantrop 25 May 2013 16: 01 New
    +3
    Quote: Semurg
    Crimean Tatars betrayed whom?
    And in what century? First, they betrayed the Golden Horde, on whose shoulders they came to the Crimea. Then they betrayed the Russian Empire, speaking on the side of the expeditionary force. In the 20th century, they betrayed the USSR, having crossed over to the invaders. Now they are preparing to betray Ukraine, if only Turkey expresses a desire ...
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 26 May 2013 09: 46 New
      0
      Quote: Misantrop
      Quote: Semurg
      Crimean Tatars betrayed whom?
      And in what century? First, they betrayed the Golden Horde, on whose shoulders they came to the Crimea. Then they betrayed the Russian Empire, speaking on the side of the expeditionary force. In the 20th century, they betrayed the USSR, having crossed over to the invaders. Now they are preparing to betray Ukraine, if only Turkey expresses a desire ...

      The Tatars of Crimea did not come to Crimea on whose shoulders they lived there. Then RI, as a winner, occupied Crimea, but the Tatars always wanted to gain their independence both from Russia and Ukraine now. This can be treated both positively and negatively any nation wants independence and fights for it with varying degrees of success. On the Russian side, this is betrayal, on the Tatar struggle for independence. This is when some of the Russians were betrayed to the Great Patriotic War, they betrayed their state, and for the Tatars it is a Russian state where they were kept by their will .This question can be removed by the destruction of the people, which Stalin did when he deported the peoples of the USSR from their homeland, hoping that over time they would disappear among other peoples, which often happens when people lose their land.
  • CTEPX
    CTEPX 25 May 2013 16: 20 New
    +2
    Quote: Semurg
    and the Russians can atone for the restoration of the USSR

    The ambassador’s actions are precisely aimed at this)). Please note that his ACTION was to bring to the veterans and to US information about the provocation carried out in Ukraine on the eve of May 9. And he brought that the episode with the film has become one of these provocations since inviting veterans-pilots to his premiere.
    I went to the embrasure. But in vain he went or not, depends on whether we complete the attack or roll back)).
    1. Denis
      Denis 25 May 2013 16: 58 New
      +2
      Quote: ctepx
      depends on whether we complete the attack or roll back
      Nowhere already, and that's enough!
      It's time to go ahead and pay what you deserve
    2. Corneli
      Corneli 25 May 2013 22: 57 New
      0
      Quote: ctepx
      The ambassador’s actions are precisely aimed at this)). Please note that his ACTION was to bring to the veterans and to US information about the provocation carried out in Ukraine on the eve of May 9. And he brought that the episode with the film has become one of these provocations since inviting veterans-pilots to his premiere.
      I went to the embrasure. But in vain he went or not, depends on whether we complete the attack or roll back)).

      Hard case .... The premiere was MAY 17 !!!!
      The interview was given 22 MAY !!!
      What provocations? wassat
      1. CTEPX
        CTEPX 26 May 2013 05: 08 New
        +1
        Quote: Corneli
        Interview was given on MAY 22 !!! What provocations?

        Sir! Your problem is the desire to refute the meaning of what was said, clinging to the semantics of a word you didn’t like (eve, under-state).
        And about the provocations - there, the ambassador said)).
        1. Corneli
          Corneli 26 May 2013 18: 53 New
          0
          Quote: ctepx
          Quote: Corneli
          Interview was given on MAY 22 !!! What provocations?

          Sir! Your problem is the desire to refute the meaning of what was said, clinging to the semantics of a word you didn’t like (eve, under-state).
          And about the provocations - there, the ambassador said)).

          And your problem, sir, is that you are a fan of "conspiracy theories" and only see the meaning you like.
          In the article (have you read it?), The premiere (May 17) is timed to the "Day of Deportation ..." 18 May... Is it logical? As I understand it, the date "May 18" did not appear this year, and a little earlier and earlier I did not particularly read about its "provocation". But you, sir, do not like the logical explanation, it is much more interesting to pull by the ears that this is a provocation on May 9 (a terribly popular topic today)
          (eve, lack of state) - in the first case, the entire comment was built on this "eve", in the second, why should I remain silent in response to the impudent insult to my country? Which, moreover, is not entirely true ... to put it mildly)
          So much for the "semantics"
          1. CTEPX
            CTEPX 26 May 2013 19: 08 New
            0
            Quote: Corneli
            in the first case, the whole comment was built on this "eve", in the second, why should I remain silent in response to the impudent insult to my country?

            And still)). Victory Day is now in Ukraine - a holiday day or a day of provocations?)).
            1. Corneli
              Corneli 26 May 2013 19: 28 New
              +1
              Quote: ctepx
              Quote: Corneli
              in the first case, the whole comment was built on this "eve", in the second, why should I remain silent in response to the impudent insult to my country?

              And still)). Victory Day is now in Ukraine - a holiday day or a day of provocations?)).

              And yet ... May 9 and 17 May Are these different days or not?) "Normal" provocateurs arrange provocations before or on time of the desired date, and not after a week (besides, noting their left)
              The above answer is nowhere to be deployed, but give you all the "semantics" and "provocations")
              P.S. I will still give you the answer): For example, on May 9, I went to the fireworks with my children (we have fireworks 2 times a year, on Independence Day and Victory Day), I saw a large crowd of people there, both young people and veterans. Everyone behaved normally, shouted Hurray! and looked happy. No devils with fascist (or similar) flags, running and shouting "Heil Hitler" (gang, death to the occupants, or the like) have not been observed. Based on the above, did we have a holiday? Or again "semantics" and "day of provocations"?
  • domokl
    domokl 25 May 2013 21: 31 New
    +3
    Quote: Semurg
    Crimean Tatars betrayed whom?
    the Tatars of Crimea betrayed the state whose citizens they were. And openly went to serve the enemy. Deportation is the smallest thing these people deserved in wartime ...
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 26 May 2013 09: 12 New
      0
      Quote: domokl
      Quote: Semurg
      Crimean Tatars betrayed whom?
      the Tatars of Crimea betrayed the state whose citizens they were. And openly went to serve the enemy. Deportation is the smallest thing these people deserved in wartime ...

      We deported all the Tatars as traitors, then enemies like Germans, Romanians, Hungarians, Italians and other peoples who did much more grief and harm were not deported, much less destroyed according to wartime laws, as many write here. Maybe you should beat your princes here if strangers were afraid, or would they not understand Europe, but could they host it?
  • Evrepid
    Evrepid 28 May 2013 16: 35 New
    -1
    I did not betray the USSR!
    I am still instead of "Russia, etc." in the hymn I say "Unbreakable Union ..."
    Believe me, many said it was not necessary to ruin the USSR, but marked Lithuania first, then let Latvia and Estonia go. (Let's say the separatists were not shot on time).

    Now the Separatists of the Russian Federation share the same. :(
  • MG42
    MG42 25 May 2013 11: 26 New
    +7
    All this fuss started because of this movie
    The official trailer of the first Crimean Tatar film about the deportation "Haitaram" (directed by Akhtem Seitablaev).
  • Ivan.
    Ivan. 25 May 2013 11: 29 New
    +5
    In addition, in the heat of the polemic with the TV presenter, Lily Budzhurova Andreev assured that his opinion was the official position of Russia, and he asked to convey it to every Crimean Tatar.

    It is time to change this "official" imposed position, which has never been the position of the people themselves. That is why it is important to judge the humpbacked and the elfin ones, because they created, consolidated all those iniquities that have blossomed now.

    And all honest people are in solidarity with Andreev, and not with the “official position of the Russian Federation.”

    First of all, not because it was in the past, but because it is preparing in the future, to wait for these "Crimean" Tatars to start slaughtering people and decide to proclaim themselves "Kosovars"?
  • Belial
    Belial 25 May 2013 11: 38 New
    +4
    Or maybe this is the layout from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs - to disrupt the event, and then apologize as if nothing had happened? But the problem has been solved, and some political bargaining begins around this. It is necessary to follow the fate of the consul, they will dismiss or transfer to a higher position.
    1. fanat CSKA
      fanat CSKA 25 May 2013 12: 14 New
      +2
      yes, in fact ... it is unlikely that our diplomat would show such an initiative for no reason! It seems like some kind of special operation.
      1. sergo0000
        sergo0000 25 May 2013 18: 39 New
        +1
        Quote: fanat CSKA
        yes, in fact ... it is unlikely that our diplomat would show such an initiative for no reason! It seems like some kind of special operation.

        The consul general of Russia in Simferopol Vladimir Andreev did not recommend the Russian delegation to participate in the premiere of the feature film "Haytarma", which tells about the deportation of the Crimean Tatar people. At the premiere show, military pilots and comrades were invited twice the hero of the Soviet Union of the Crimean Tatar Amet-Khan Sultan, whose fate was the basis of the plot of the picture.

        However, after a conversation at the Consulate General of the Russian Federation in Simferopol, several guests who arrived in Crimea at the expense of the organizers of the premiere of Haytarma refused to go to the cinema.

        In an interview with ATR, Andreev said that Russia could not be represented at the premiere of the film, "distorting the truth about the Great Patriotic War."

        The Russian consul said that “the theme of collaboration and aiding the occupiers must be present at all events” covering the Stalinist deportation of Crimean Tatars.

        Andreev stressed that his position is consistent with the position of the Russian authorities. “All that I said today is completely official. Here, write down and scroll to any Crimean Tatar. My word and the word of Russia should sound, it must be known, ”he said.


        In fact, Vladimir Andreev did 2 simple things:

        a) Prevented the participation of WWII veterans in the act of desecration of Victory.

        b) He said that you need to tell the whole truth. Even if the deportation is shown in the film “Haytarma” extremely truthfully (which is extremely unlikely), in any case, the silence of the issue of almost universal collaboration (almost all Crimean Tatars called up for the Red Army went over to the Nazis) makes the film “Haytarma” false (not full truth, this is a lie).
        http://trueinform.ru/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=14497
  • Ivan.
    Ivan. 25 May 2013 11: 38 New
    +3
    The official protest of the Russian people (in the person of, say, thousands or more signatories) of the Russian government would look interesting if the historical reality was distorted and not the people expressed their will.
  • pinecone
    pinecone 25 May 2013 12: 16 New
    +2
    In Turkey, began to establish monuments to the Crimean khans. About the behavior of the Crimean Tatars after the landing of the Anglo-French-Turkish landing off the coast of Yevpatoria in early September 1854.
    see http://www.evpatoriya-history.info/history/04-krimean-war/markevich-krim-v-voine
    . Php
  • Knucklhead
    Knucklhead 25 May 2013 12: 20 New
    -18
    For at least 3 Reich, at least 2.5 million foreigners fought, of which at least 1.5 million are citizens of the Deputies! There were Armenian, Azerbaijani, Turkestan, North Caucasian, Volga, Crimean Tatar, Belarussian legions, Ukrainians and the Baltic states organized in the SS division waffen ss and only one nation - received - the army - RUSSIAN FREEDOM ARMY !!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!
    1. Scutum
      Scutum 25 May 2013 12: 41 New
      +7
      ... and Herr Vlasov was hanged. And what did you want to say with this stuffing?
      1. Hudo
        Hudo 25 May 2013 12: 57 New
        +5
        Quote: Scutum
        And what did you want to say with this stuffing?

        Apparently he wanted to ask if the hemp rope with a loop at the end was released after the Vlasov.
        1. Denis
          Denis 25 May 2013 17: 03 New
          +2
          Quote: Hudo
          was the hemp rope with a loop at the end free after Vlasov
          Take my linen, for the sake of such linen on a chair or battery, it’s not a pity to dry it!
          1. Hudo
            Hudo 25 May 2013 20: 15 New
            0
            Quote: Denis
            Take my linen, for the sake of such linen on a chair or battery, it’s not a pity to dry it!


            For such a reptile I will not regret a piece of a sling from berets.
      2. rus9875
        rus9875 25 May 2013 12: 58 New
        +1
        Maybe he wanted to say that in relation to the Russians, Ukrainians, many others were judged by specific traitors for their personal crimes, and against the Crimean Tatars, Karachais, Balkars, Chechens and many others, whole nations were declared traitors without trial or investigation? And by a strange coincidence, all these peoples lived on lands very attractive in climatic, geographical, and geopolitical terms, does such a coincidence alarm anyone?
        1. Scutum
          Scutum 25 May 2013 13: 25 New
          +5
          have there been any facts of mass betrayal? besides, why, then, long before the war, following your logic, Stalin did not "liberate these attractive lands" ???
        2. Misantrop
          Misantrop 25 May 2013 16: 05 New
          +4
          Quote: rus9875
          in relation to the Crimean Tatars, Karachais, Balkars, Chechens and many others, without trial, declared whole nations traitors?
          And nothing, that in case of application to the representatives of these "many other" laws that existed at that time, the male population of these ethnic groups would be destroyed by 99,999%? And - quite deservedly. They were SAVED from total extermination by these deportations
        3. CTEPX
          CTEPX 25 May 2013 16: 56 New
          +3
          Quote: rus9875
          without trial, have declared whole nations traitors?

          When deaf leaders "knit with blood" an entire nation (both women and children participated in the killings of retreating and wounded Red Army soldiers), when, at the will of these leaders, a whole nation publicly, comprehensively and actively takes the side of the mortal enemy, and most importantly, when all this due to historical events, it becomes known to the mass of the fighting fighters, some of whom here BEFORE HAVE families ...
          How do you imagine the investigation of crimes? Deportation is the lesser of evils.
          1. Airman
            Airman 25 May 2013 22: 04 New
            -1
            Quote: ctepx
            Quote: rus9875
            without trial, have declared whole nations traitors?

            When deaf leaders "knit with blood" an entire nation (both women and children participated in the killings of retreating and wounded Red Army soldiers), when, at the will of these leaders, a whole nation publicly, comprehensively and actively takes the side of the mortal enemy, and most importantly, when all this due to historical events, it becomes known to the mass of the fighting fighters, some of whom here BEFORE HAVE families ...
            How do you imagine the investigation of crimes? Deportation is the lesser of evils.

            And it would be better not to be deported, now there would be fewer problems.
        4. 3 inches.
          3 inches. 25 May 2013 17: 11 New
          0
          it is interesting to say. What Tatars lived on such attractive lands? Apart from geography, there is nothing useful in Crimea. And the ports that the Greeks of the Genoese built the only valuable in this region may well have been noted by the Romans. There is no one-city built by the Tatars. You somehow confuse the nomadic culture and settled.
        5. gispanec
          gispanec 25 May 2013 22: 26 New
          0
          Quote: rus9875
          Maybe he wanted to say that in relation to the Russians, Ukrainians, many others were judged by specific traitors for their personal crimes, and against the Crimean Tatars, Karachais, Balkars, Chechens and many others, whole nations were declared traitors without trial or investigation? And by a strange coincidence, all these peoples lived on lands very attractive in climatic, geographical, and geopolitical terms, does such a coincidence alarm anyone?

          so you don’t need whole villages and villages (clans) to go over to the side of the FASCIS, and as you rightly notice here, but before we did not need these lands ......
        6. wax
          wax 25 May 2013 22: 34 New
          +1
          The people were not declared a traitor. Traitors were hanged or shot. Crimean Tatars were deported due to the massive support of the enemy of the USSR, fascist Germany. This practice is completely in the spirit of the Eastern tradition. But Western tradition does not shy away from punishing the entire people of the aggressor state. A vivid example is Germany itself. The return to the ancestral lands of deported peoples is not a recognition of the incorrectness of deportation. Here in this regard, the shit democrats blasted and, it seems to me, the Russian leadership should give appropriate comments on previously adopted documents on this issue. As it turns out, Stalin looked deeper and acted firmly, taking into account traditions, but humanely enough.
    2. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 25 May 2013 12: 54 New
      +5
      You did not mention the Jews who fought on the side of "Greater Germany" and of whom just over 10 were taken prisoner by the Red Army. And how many were destroyed? Or escaped capture?
      It’s interesting, but did the killed Jews who fought against the USSR also get on the list of the Holocaust? I suspect that, yes!
    3. CTEPX
      CTEPX 25 May 2013 16: 42 New
      +1
      Quote: Knucklhead
      Over 3 Reich at least 2.5 million foreigners fought

      According to some reports, in the Reich during the Second World War only about 7 million foreigners were killed)). Which, incidentally, are not included in the statistics of Wehrmacht losses)).
    4. gispanec
      gispanec 25 May 2013 22: 22 New
      0
      Quote: Knucklhead
      and only one nation - received - the army - RUSSIAN FREEDOM ARMY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      so Hitler fought precisely against the RUSSIANs, such as Kazakhs ... Ukrainians, Tatars, he did not consider people at all and did not know .... well, and Goebbels in the information war called our traitors, this kind of liberation army ... well, it would be strange to call rabble of traitors by the Mordovian or Yakutsk liberation army, so stick the troll on and wait for the knock on your door !!!!
      1. Marek Rozny
        Marek Rozny 26 May 2013 15: 53 New
        -1
        Quote: gispanec
        so Hitler fought precisely against the RUSSIANs, such as Kazakhs ... Ukrainians, Tatars, he generally did not consider people and did not know ....

        Hitler not only knew about the existence of Kazakhs and Tatars, but the first ost-battalions were created precisely from the Turks (and Cossacks) back in 1941. At that time, the German Foreign Ministry, the Wehrmacht and Hitler were convinced that after what the Soviet government had done (famine, repression, infringement in national policy), Turkish prisoners of war rush to fight against the Russians. Hitler declared in 1941 that the Turks (Soviet) were the most reliable ally in the war against the USSR. At the same time, they created the first Cossack units (according to Nazi understanding, Cossacks are the Aryan people, descending from the Crimean Goth-Germans). Both Turks and Cossacks were promised the independence of their lands within Greater Turkestan and Cossacks.
        True, the Germans quickly became disappointed in the Turks. Not only didn’t fight against the Red Army, but on the contrary, at the first opportunity, German commanders were killed and whole units returned to the side of the Soviet army. I had to remove them from the front and throw them over to the fight against the partisans - but even there the steppes killed the Germans and went over to the partisans' side. Then the Germans grabbed their heads and decided that the Turks would start fighting against the Yugoslavs, however, there was a bummer here too. Again, Kazakhs, Tatars, Bashkirs, Azerbaijanis wet the officers and went to the partisans. As a result, the Germans spat and transferred them to the Western Front against the Americans and the British (and often in the form of building battalions they took away their weapons). But on the Atlantic Val, Turkestans, Tatars and Azerbaijanis went over to the side of the USSR allies.
        Attempts to send saboteurs from among the Kazakhs to the territory of the Kazakh SSR to raise anti-Soviet rebellions in the rear of the Stalingrad front (and western Kazakhstan was included in the front line in 1942-1943) were completely failed, because absolutely all saboteurs, after landing, voluntarily went to the local police and the NKVD to report their arrival (only once did the saboteurs try to act against the Soviet government, but were instantly discovered by local residents and eliminated by the local police).
        In a word, a) the Germans knew well the ethnic composition of the USSR; b) tried to use this factor for their own purposes; c) they didn’t succeed due to the mentality of the former Horde, who considered military betrayal and cowardice to be a terrible crime.

        Z.Y. Turkish prisoners of war not only retained Soviet convictions as part of the German army, but even completely restored communist party cells (secretly, of course) in their Wehrmacht battalion, as befits Red Army units. The Germans went crazy with this obstinacy when they revealed these facts ...
  • jagdpanzer
    jagdpanzer 25 May 2013 12: 57 New
    0
    what are you trying to say? I think it was a German PR move no more, I don’t even know what to say about Crimea .. I don’t think that all of them are scum and traitors, just probably their percentage was too high as now
    1. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 25 May 2013 13: 10 New
      +5
      Quote: jagdpanzer
      probably their percentage was too high, as now

      Just like in Chechnya, Dagestan, Ingushetia. All are peaceful, but someone hides the bandit, feeds them, launders them, drags and hides the ammunition.
  • rus9875
    rus9875 25 May 2013 13: 08 New
    0
    Consul-level diplomats will never make this kind of statement without consulting the Ministry of Foreign Affairs - this is an axiom And the stone was not thrown into the garden of the Crimean Tatars but into the garden of Ukraine. If Ukraine had not reacted to the provocation since it had reacted, then it would have received unrest in Crimea on the eve of the resort season with all the resulting losses and the number of holidaymakers on the Black Sea coast of Russia would increase. As a rule, the reason is banal - MONEY
  • knn54
    knn54 25 May 2013 13: 08 New
    17
    “20 thousand Crimean Tatars (almost the entire draft from the beginning of the war) deserted in 1941 from 51 armies when they retreated from the Crimea,” noted Serov in the memorandum of the deputy commissar of internal affairs of the USSR. Everyone who deserted from the Red Army ended up in the ranks of the Wehrmacht and active accomplices of the Nazis. 10% is considered the norm of general mobilization - according to the census, in 1939, 218179 Crimean Tatars lived in Crimea. According to German information, in January 1945, more than 10 thousand Crimean Tatars fought in the armed forces of Germany, mainly in the SS, i.e. even for that victorious period for us, every fifth adult Crimean Tatar shot our fathers and grandfathers.
    As for the few Crimean Tatars who really honestly fought in the Red Army or in partisan detachments, contrary to popular belief, they were not evicted. In Crimea, there are about 1500 Crimean Tatars
    On June 1, 1943 (during the most difficult period of occupation), there were 262 people in partisan formations on the peninsula, of which 145 were Russians, 67 Ukrainians and! 6 Tatars, from the commanding staff of the KRASSR.
    When Amet-Khan was awarded the first Hero title at the end of August 1943, the question arose about the removal of his family from occupied Crimea. With this mission, a reconnaissance group was sent to the Crimea from the mainland. But contact with the hero’s family did not work. The relatives flatly refused to move from Crimea and, moreover, showed a strong desire to turn over the negotiators to the Germans. And the scouts had to urgently retreat.
    There is a war of extermination, and here a massive active betrayal. If the traitors were judged by the laws of wartime, then, of course, the Crimean Tatars lost a significant part of the male population. However, they did not do this, unlike other countries: read what was happening in the camps of the United States and Great Britain (and at the same time the army of invaders did not enter the territory of these countries). After the expulsion of the Germans from Italy, more than 300000 (!) Nazi accomplices were killed.
    From 151 720 of the Crimean Tatars, sent in May 1944 to the Uzbek SSR, 191 people died on the way.
    At the beginning of the fifties, 18830 children were born to 151,7 thousand deportees of the Crimean Tatar people who were moved to Uzbekistan (mainly the Tashkent region).
    Now the question. WHAT IS THE BEST COURT UNDER THE LAWS OF WAR OR OR, LET AND FORCED, MOVEMENT.
    If the Russian traitors were simply hanged, then the Crimean Tatars were simply relocated; the question is, to whom did Stalin save his life?
    PS Before demanding money for arranging the “deportees” in 1944, the Mejlis and Mustafa Dzhemilev (convicted in the USSR not for “human rights activities”, but for raping a minor in connection with which in 2012 he was denied the Nobel Peace Prize) to think about who will return to the state the money allotted to the families of special immigrants then to settle in Uzbekistan at the expense of the state budget of the USSR.
    So, according to the Decisions of the USSR State Defense Committee Nos. 5943ss and 5859ss dated April 02 and May 11, 1944, respectively, the Agricultural Bank of the USSR issued money to each family of special resettlers in the amount of 5 rubles to establish an economy in the places of settlement. At that time it was a huge amount, since for example the Moskvich-000 car, the production of which began in 401 with the equipment of the OPEL plant exported from Germany to reparations to the USSR, cost just 1946 rubles.
    Moreover, cattle and other property seized from special immigrants in the Crimea, in accordance with the same Decrees of the GKO of the USSR, safe receipts were issued, and due to the cost of this property, special immigrants in Uzbekistan were provided with free food. Etc. etc.
    PPS If the words of the consul are false, organize a trial; let an international independent court prove what happened and what did not. And if the Tatars were offended, thousands would come out. And this is a provocation. Like the movie!
    1. rus9875
      rus9875 25 May 2013 16: 29 New
      +2
      And what were the Crimean Greeks, Bulgarians, Armenians guilty of? Are all the same traitors without exception?
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  • Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 25 May 2013 13: 11 New
    +9
    How irritating is the behavior of the Crimean Tatars, deported Chechens, Ingush, Circassians and other "undeservedly" "oppressed" nations. How much can you scream that you are special, that you need a special attitude, you need to give money, land and other benefits - why all of a sudden ?! Why don't the Russians shout about camps, about hunger, about brutal suppression of uprisings (Antonovskoye, for example), about deportations to Siberia by whole villages, about executions? Why don’t they ask for money? You, small nations, is that better? Can I give you more orders that they fought on the side of the Germans? I support the consul one hundred percent.
    1. rus9875
      rus9875 25 May 2013 16: 01 New
      +4
      especially competent ones - no one evicted the Circassians. You first at least take an interest in the question, and then post your opinion. The less a person really knows, the more he thinks about himself
      1. Ruslan_F38
        Ruslan_F38 25 May 2013 19: 24 New
        +1
        For the information of the especially literate, ask yourself: During the Caucasian War, the population of Circassia (Adygs, Ubykhs, Abazins and Abkhazians) in a short time was sent to the Black Sea coast for subsequent eviction to the Ottoman Empire, the occupied territory was settled by Cossacks, Armenians and immigrants from the central part of the Russian empire. "Ask about the letters to the Russian Government demanding the recognition of the genocide of the Circassian people, demanding the return of the Circassians living abroad, compensation, land, as usual!

        Russia owes nothing to anyone!
        1. rus9875
          rus9875 25 May 2013 23: 12 New
          +1
          we are talking about deportations committed during the Soviet era. If you want to talk about what the Russian troops did during the conquest of the Caucasus, we can talk about this topic too, but I'm afraid you won’t like it very much because genocide remains genocide. Russians certainly don’t should - too much time has passed, but it would be time for the Russians to understand that no one should give them to the Caucasians;
          1. 3 inches.
            3 inches. 26 May 2013 01: 06 New
            +1
            give you the land? they had it only to work a non-mobil jigit. here rob it yes. you have now been given and even more than it was. that the Caucasus’s prosperity is invisible. you can’t use it? Yes, and somehow the Khanty didn’t produce gas or oil to turn them back to primitive life? And what humanist are you.
            1. Denis
              Denis 26 May 2013 01: 12 New
              +1
              Quote: 3 inches.
              Khanty is not oil is not gas is not mined. Turn them back to primitive life?
              Honestly, they still do not mine, they scored on hydrocarbons. They live their lives as they did
              1. 3 inches.
                3 inches. 26 May 2013 01: 20 New
                0
                humanism requires that we return it as it was. so that spears in hand and in the taiga. live in huts and knock on a tambourine. he just didn’t ask them and he needed it. or he thinks his car will run by itself? maybe he wants his own again can I burn sakla with brushwood? I can’t brazen to it, how can I build them invisible and how to give everything back so the Zhdzhigits are already here.
                1. Ruslan_F38
                  Ruslan_F38 26 May 2013 06: 05 New
                  0
                  For rus9875 I don’t understand why should the Caucasians give the Caucasus? Firstly, he is flooded with Russian blood by our soldiers and officers. Secondly, the bulk of the population of the Caucasus lives there and asks for nothing, they have already lived freely in independent Ichkeria, for example (lawlessness, Sharia courts, banditry in law), thank God Russia has put things in order and no one in their right mind wants to separate - this is a fact. There are of course stupid nationalists who work out the loot from behind the hillock, of course there are simply dark ones.
                  As for: “It’s time for the Russians to understand that no one owes them either” - so we don’t ask anyone for anything, more and more they ask us and I don’t understand why you are doing this?
                  They hunted Khanty; they never asked for anything at all.
  • RussischGenosse
    RussischGenosse 25 May 2013 13: 19 New
    +8
    In my opinion, this is a big mistake of Khrushchev to transfer the Crimean peninsula of the Ukrainian SSR in 1956. As far as he was not far-sighted, in the territorial issue. Then I do not understand why we are fighting for the Kuril Islands, I understand these are completely different things, but they have a common denominator and this is the territory of Russia. I think that any country should be more careful in territorial politics. Let us then be fraternal countries with Ukraine, but we had to understand that this was not forever and the moment would come when the union would break up. What happened in 1991. But without looking back, the Russian side should declare its interest in the fact that Crimea would become Russian again. And if they arise, then Russia will have methods of pressure. Nowadays, you need to understand that there are no more fraternal countries, but there are partners.
    Now I want to quote the words of the Russian Emperor Alexander III Peacemaker: In the whole world we have only two faithful allies, our army and navy. Everyone else, at the earliest opportunity, will gang themselves up against us. What is happening at the moment, all friends have become potential enemies.
    1. CTEPX
      CTEPX 25 May 2013 17: 04 New
      +2
      Quote: RussischGenosse
      this is a big mistake of Khrushchev to transfer the Crimean peninsula of the Ukrainian SSR in 1956

      This is not a mistake)). This is a conscious action.
  • Sour
    Sour 25 May 2013 13: 27 New
    +7
    We just need to decide - who are the Crimean Tatars for us?
    The fact of their mass transition to Hitler’s side is useless to deny.
    If these are our compatriots, then they must certainly be recognized as traitors, with whom they acted according to the laws of wartime.
    Suppose they are not traitors. But then they are not compatriots, not fellow citizens. Then they are just a stranger, enemy people, with all the ensuing consequences. And then they were treated too softly and humanely. In wartime, they could do better with enemy people. Let them rejoice that there were only deportations, not carpet bombings in the American style, and not the Einsatz group in the German style.
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 25 May 2013 16: 21 New
      +1
      Quote: Sour
      If these are our compatriots, then they must certainly be recognized as traitors, with whom they acted according to the laws of wartime.

      Time smooths out the bitterness of betrayal, but crime cannot be forgotten ...
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 25 May 2013 14: 25 New
    0
    Yes, everything will be fine !! Russia is strengthening .. and everything will calm down as usual .. and such topics always rise when Russia is weak ..
  • Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 25 May 2013 14: 46 New
    +4
    We support the diplomat! He told the truth. And everyone understands this!
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 25 May 2013 16: 16 New
      +2
      Quote: Ivanovich47
      We support the diplomat! He told the truth. And everyone understands this!

      And the status of Alas, obliges to say diametrically opposite things ...
  • fenix57
    fenix57 25 May 2013 15: 09 New
    +5
    Quote: Corsair5912
    This is a good quality work, and Stalin in 1944 faked it, dropping the problem to posterity.

    It was not Stalin who made a mess (he wasn’t like that!) - could he really have thought that "political prostitutes" in the person of Gorbachev and Yeltsin would come to power in Russia ...
  • Ermek
    Ermek 25 May 2013 15: 12 New
    -5
    Ek as some hooked. And so - I did not say the truth? the figures cited are eloquent - so one must take offense at them, and not at me. Well, Katyn-Khatyn was in error. But all did understand correctly - it was about Khatyn. I don’t confuse them; I did it in the Soviet school.
    Offended by saying that the consul is worse than McFaul? No, I do not think so. McFaul is definitely worse. I am generally anti-Americanist. The fact that I have the "American" flag is that something is wrong with the provider. By the way, Beeline. I am writing from Almaty.
    And with these numbers I wanted to tell some chauvinists - remove the log from the eye. Take out, take out. And the consul in the first place. He screwed up, screwed up, said only half the truth - now the Foreign Ministry will clean up after him, otherwise the second half of the truth will begin to be pulled out.
    And also because of this, the chauvinist of the half-forum got into a mess with each other.
    In general, guys, no offense. Fuck with her with justice, but objectivity should be.
    1. Sour
      Sour 25 May 2013 15: 22 New
      +4
      Quote: Ermek
      but objectivity should be.

      Objectivity and lies about "a million Vlasovites who are all Russian" are incompatible things. If you are for objectivity, then let's go without unverified information (or without lies, it’s better to say).
      And with justice - to hell with her. Everyone has their own ideas about justice.
      1. rus9875
        rus9875 25 May 2013 16: 47 New
        +1
        It’s for sure - for some people it’s justifiable to seize foreign lands, forcibly drive people into the Russian empire and think at the same time that these peoples should be eternally grateful to them for it. Just as Americans now think when they bombard people into democracy and wonder why they are for they are not grateful. Have you ever wondered why not one of the former fraternal republics, even really fraternal Belarus, recognized the independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia? Why is Ukraine so unwilling to join the customs union? And think about these issues — sometimes it’s useful to think. And if you don’t get it, carefully read the comments on any article that touches on a national topic — maybe then you will understand that the reason is especially unreasonable assurance that the Russians are always right and those who disagree with it — chunks, monkeys etc
        1. CTEPX
          CTEPX 25 May 2013 17: 13 New
          +1
          Quote: rus9875
          in particularly unsubstantiated assurance that the Russians are always right and those who disagree with this - chocks, monkeys, etc.

          Well, in this situation of deportation, what are the Russians (suppose they did) wrong?
          And the fury of the Russians (suppose only THEM) provokes provocations and Holocaust distortions, as well as attempts to abuse the defenders)).
          1. Evrepid
            Evrepid 28 May 2013 17: 09 New
            -1
            And remember the year 1962, the shooting of a demonstration in Novocherkassk.
            Make out who distorted there and whom they left and why?
            Who was shot there, who shot, who tracked down, sought and destroyed, for what and how.

            Eh. On which side was the righteous anger, and what was the rage there and whose.
            1. Evrepid
              Evrepid 31 May 2013 13: 27 New
              0
              What are you negative? What do not like that? A proposal to evaluate your actions before yelling at someone and proving something.
        2. 3 inches.
          3 inches. 25 May 2013 17: 28 New
          0
          it’s one thing to seize foreign lands and rob them. the other to go and fight the lands from which annual raids are carried out on Russia. It’s certainly forcible. I didn’t have to run the land every year there. Does Ukraine want to join the union? Is it uraine that it doesn’t want or its population? But did Belarus need recognition by Abkhazia? If it were necessary, it would be asked. It would be recognized.
  • BDRM 667
    BDRM 667 25 May 2013 15: 47 New
    +2
    Erich Von Manstein, memoirs:"... the majority of the Tatar population of Crimea was very friendly towards us. We even managed to form armed self-defense companies from the Tatars, whose task was to protect their villages from attacks by partisans hiding in the Yaila mountains. The reason is that in Crimea from the very A powerful partisan movement began to develop, which caused us a lot of trouble, was that among the population of Crimea, in addition to the Tatars and other small national groups, there were still many Russians "(E. Manstein. Lost Victories. Smolensk, 1999. p. 267).

    "The Tatars immediately took our side. They saw in us their liberators from the Bolshevik yoke, especially since we respected their religious customs. A Tatar deputation arrived to me, bringing fruit and beautiful handmade fabrics for the Tatar liberator Adolf Effendi" ( ibid. p. 2
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    3. Corsair
      Corsair 25 May 2013 16: 02 New
      +2
      What was the fate of the Crimean Tatars who entered the service of Hitler Effendi? Bases of auxiliary police were deployed based on self-defense companies. By November of the 1942 of the year, eight Crimean Tatar battalions were formed, bearing numbers from the 147 to the 154, and in the spring and summer of the 1943, two more (the 155 and 156).

      In April-May of 1944, the Crimean Tatar battalions fought against the Soviet troops liberating Crimea. So, on April 13, near the Islam-Terek station in the east of the Crimean peninsula, three Crimean Tatar battalions (apparently, the 11, 148 and 151) were operating against the units of the 153 Guards Corps, who lost only 800 prisoners . The 149th battalion fought stubbornly in battles for Bakhchisaray.

      The remains of the Crimean Tatar battalions were evacuated by sea. In July of the 1944 in Hungary, the SS Tatar mountain ranger regiment was formed from them, which was soon deployed to the 1 Tatar SS mountain hunter brigade of up to 2500 men under the command of SS Standartenfuhrer V. Fortenbach. A certain amount of Crimean Tatars was transferred to France and included in the reserve battalion of the Volga-Tatar Legion. Others, mostly untrained youth, were enrolled in the Air Defense Support Service.

      Retribution

      After the liberation of Crimea by Soviet troops, the hour of reckoning came:

      "State Defense Committee
      Comrade Stalin I.V.

      10 May 1944 city

      Bodies of the NKVD and the NKGB are carrying out work in Crimea to identify and seize enemy agents, traitors to the motherland, accomplices of the Nazi occupiers and other anti-Soviet elements.

      As of May 7 this year arrested such persons 5381 people.

      The weapons of 5395 rifles, 337 machine guns, 250 machine guns, 31 mortar and a large number of grenades and rifle cartridges illegally stored by the population are seized ...

      From the units of the Red Army to 1944, over thousands of Tatars deserted over 20, who changed their homeland, went to the service of the Germans, and fought against the Red Army with arms ...

      Considering the treacherous actions of the Crimean Tatars against the Soviet people and based on the undesirability of the further residence of the Crimean Tatars on the border outskirts of the Soviet Union, the NKVD of the USSR submits for your consideration a draft decision of the State Defense Committee on the eviction of all Tatars from the Crimea.

      We consider it expedient to resettle the Crimean Tatars as special settlers in the regions of the Uzbek SSR for use in work both in agriculture - collective farms, state farms, and in industry and construction.

      The question of the resettlement of the Tatars in the Uzbek SSR was agreed with the Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party (Bolsheviks) of Uzbekistan, Comrade Yusupov.

      According to preliminary data, currently in the Crimea there are 140 – 160 thousand Tatar people. The eviction operation will begin on May 20 – 21 and end on June 1. At the same time, I present a draft resolution of the State Defense Committee, and I ask for your decision.

      People's Commissar of the Interior of the Union of the Soviet Socialist Republic L. Beria. "
      1. 3 inches.
        3 inches. 25 May 2013 17: 16 New
        +1
        they even took prisoners. that ours were all too soft.
  • Avenger711
    Avenger711 25 May 2013 15: 54 New
    0
    issues of cooperation with the fascist invaders of persons of the Crimean Tatar nationality, and maybe the series that concludes - about the deportation, tragedy and state crime of the Soviet leadership, I would go to this film, I would watch all 20 episodes ”


    Mutually exclusive paragraphs. No matter how the Crimean Tatars and the Chechens are hysterical, they will never be forgiven for betrayal when our grandfathers died on the fronts. And if the Crimean Tatars have any problems with the Chechens, I can only recommend that they change their country of residence.
  • MG42
    MG42 25 May 2013 15: 58 New
    +4
    Crimean Tatars in Crimea are a source of instability, have already uploaded a video of the rally where they shouted curses at Assad
    here's another video with their participation >>>

    Ukraine ineptly used them to reinforce pro-Ukrainian sentiments in Crimea and reduce pro-Russian, but only the Tatars will probably play for the 3rd side ...
    1. Denis
      Denis 25 May 2013 17: 11 New
      +3
      Quote: MG42
      they shouted curses at Assad
      And he did what these howler monkeys did ???
      1. MG42
        MG42 25 May 2013 17: 16 New
        +6
        Quote: Denis
        And he did what these howler monkeys did ???

        Yes, see for yourself
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HdZLBZx05Ns
        Probably a Turkish order .. bully
    2. Evrepid
      Evrepid 28 May 2013 17: 18 New
      -3
      And what do we see here? That shaven-headed redneck beats a man who is half his weight twice as much.
      There is no beginning, nothing is clear, for which there is generally a disassembly.

      And as I said earlier, the militia / police appears after the fight has ended and does not capture the beater.
      Indeed, according to the Criminal Code, the beater must be convicted under article 128/139 of hooliganism.

      What proved this video is not clear.
      1. MG42
        MG42 28 May 2013 20: 00 New
        +1
        Quote: Evrepid
        There is no beginning, nothing is clear, for which there is generally a disassembly.

        We look at the book and see "fig" .. that you can't see where are the Russians and where the Tatars?
        Quote: Evrepid
        Indeed, according to the Criminal Code, the beater must be convicted under article 128/139 of hooliganism

        Article 296. Hooliganism of the Criminal Code of Ukraine Part 2 group
        Quote: Evrepid
        And as I said earlier, the militia / police appears after the fight has ended and does not capture the beater.

        I have seen this more than once, they “accept” only those who were left lying after the fight. In addition, there were too few of them on this video, I cannot clarify = I did not shoot it from the network.
  • revera92
    revera92 25 May 2013 16: 00 New
    +1
    Quote: seller trucks
    Of my four childhood friends who remained to live in Crimea, three died from an overdose, is that more understandable?

    Did the Tatars suppress their injections?
  • Misantrop
    Misantrop 25 May 2013 16: 09 New
    +4
    Only in one thing the author of the article was mistaken. The journalist's name is not Lilya. This is Lia Budzhurova, nicknamed "The Viper", widely known in Crimea. lol
  • Ayrat M
    Ayrat M 25 May 2013 16: 23 New
    -10
    Mr. Andreev did not have the right to express his point of view and insult the Crimean Tatars. He is a consul of the Russian Federation, and not a private person. With his statement, he incites ethnic hatred. History has more than one truth .. The Russians in Crimea can also be called occupiers, and from this point of view, the Crimean Tatars who sided with Germany are not traitors but fighters for independence ...
    Russia has just begun to recover from the 90s, there are many forces trying to destabilize the situation, weaken it, and then the consul is adding fuel to the fire.
    ps the difference between a nationalist and a chauvinist is that a nationalist loves his people and a chauvinist hates someone else’s
    1. CTEPX
      CTEPX 25 May 2013 17: 23 New
      +2
      Quote: Ayrat M
      not a private person. With his statement, he incites ethnic hatred

      The consul did not make such statements. They were allowed by a journalist)).
    2. Garrin
      Garrin 25 May 2013 17: 31 New
      +4
      Quote: Ayrat M
      Russia has just begun to recover from the 90s, there are many forces trying to destabilize the situation, weaken it

      And what is this? Reason to lick everyone? Traitors must be called traitors, and refers to them accordingly. without looking back at all sorts of Tolerasts.
    3. 3 inches.
      3 inches. 26 May 2013 00: 56 New
      +1
      strange but somehow you forgot that Andreev is not only a diplomat but also a person. Didn’t you consider this point of view?
  • Sour
    Sour 25 May 2013 16: 27 New
    +4
    Published data on a million (or 800 thousand) citizens of the USSR (of all nationalities) who served Hitler. Some have fanned it into the legend of a million "Vlasovites".
    But even these numbers are complete bullshit. The fact is that many of these statistics are counted several times. It's just that all the formations (police, Wehrmacht, SS, "Ostlegions", ROA) summed up, that's all. For example, if someone first served in the police, then ended up in the Wehrmacht, and then was sent to the ROA, then in these statistics he appeared as three people.
    For example, almost all policemen were counted twice or thrice. Because after their evacuation in 1944, they were all sent to the ROA, and to the Baltic Legions, depending on their nationality.
    It is known for sure that in the spring of 1945, the ROA numbered 50 thousand soldiers and officers (after the inclusion in the ROA of most of the "Ostlegions" in April, the number of ROA increased to 135 thousand). The national composition of the ROA was not much different from the national composition of the Red Army, far from only Russians served there. There were especially many Tatars - 15% of all ROA soldiers (Tatars made up just over 2% of the USSR population), as well as Kalmyks - 2% (Kalmyks made up less than a tenth of a percent of the USSR population). Almost a third were Ukrainians. There were even the Balts in the ROA, who had their own legions that were not part of the ROA.
    There were also many representatives of the Central Asian peoples in the ROA (this is even reflected in their appeal to the American command). This is despite the presence of the Turkestan Legion and the East Turkic SS compound (they were not part of the ROA). In fact, only Kazakhs served from Hitler from 40 to 70 thousand. The second digit is less likely, because it also has double and triple bookkeeping.
    Also in the ROA served more than 20 thousand people who had never been citizens of the USSR. These are white emigrants and their descendants. And among them, too, people of different nationalities.
    The political wing of the ROA was CONR (Committee for the Liberation of the Peoples of Russia), among whose members were representatives of 15 nationalities. The Committee was joined by the Ukrainian National Council, the National Council of the Peoples of the Caucasus, the National Council of the Peoples of Turkestan, the Main Directorate of Cossack Troops, the Kalmyk National Committee and the Belarusian National Council.
    All talk about the ROA as an "ethnically Russian formation" is a lie from beginning to end. Ukrainian Nazis especially love her.
    In general, the network is full of historical research on the "Ostlegions", ROA and the eastern parts of the SS. There is a lot on the militer's site, but in other places it is full. Whoever wants will find. And who does not want to, will willingly agree with fairy tales.
    1. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 26 May 2013 16: 53 New
      -1
      1) the data on the number of military personnel in collaborationist units in May 1945 is already incorrect to cite. The peak of the East Battalions was in 1942-1944. And by the spring of the 45th, their numbers had fallen dramatically due to deserters and direct combat losses.
      2) Kalmyks were sent to serve in the Kalmyk corps, and Turkestanis and Volzhanes usually served in the Turkestan Legion and Idel-Ural, respectively. There were, of course, the Turks in the ROA too - but apparently - a small number. According to the "Tatar Mediation", which was dealing with the fate of the Tatars at that time, there were ... only 1000 (one thousand) people in the entire ROA, and this "Mediation" sought their transfer to the national battalions of "Idel-Ural". By the way, I go through all the photos with collaborators in search of Asians, and so - as part of the Russian units, Asians are practically not found (pictured). This is an indirect fact, but still. By the way, the Slavs (a little) also met in Turkestan units, along with the Armenians. The Turkestan Legion did not consist of Central Asians alone. There were entire Armenian, Azerbaijani and other Caucasian battalions. It should be remembered that due to the fact that, unlike the Slavic units, the Turks did not "deserve" the trust of the Germans in the battles against the Red Army, the Turkestan battalions were half ... Germans (only in 1942-43 these battalions were mostly Turkic). I have a bunch of photographic documents showing blond Germans in uniforms with Turkestan stripes. Well, the command staff, it's clear pepper, consisted of 100% Germans. 3) The remnants of the battalions that were subordinate to the Wehrmacht were merged into the East Turkic SS Legion (created almost at the end of the war), but because of the chaos, this unit actually existed only on paper. So in reality the Turks did not wear the SS armband.
      4) In the documents on the ROA Cossacks are called Kazakhs. Even in the materials on Nuremberg, this error crept in in the documents on the ROA. Instead of "Cossack" it says "Kazakh". Instead of the phrase "A separate state and the right to self-government are promised to the Cossacks," it is written "Kazakhs ..." I do not know at what point an error occurred when the docks were translated into English, or when the Americans leaked information to the Soviet, or during the translation by German translators, but this is obvious error, because There were practically no Kazakhs in the ROA, and the Kazakhs were never promised a separate state (only the Turks as a whole).
      In addition, the figure of 70 thousand is the number of soldiers of ALL Turkestan nationalities, and not ONLY Kazakhs.
      Drobyazko out of 1,2 million Soviet call-sts - non-Slavs was only somewhere around 200 thousand. The rest are Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians and Cossacks.
  • Sour
    Sour 25 May 2013 16: 53 New
    +5
    Quote: Ayrat M
    Russians in Crimea can also be called occupiers, and from this point of view, the Crimean Tatars who sided with Germany are not traitors but fighters for independence ...

    At that time there were no less Russians in the Crimea than Tatars. Someone will say that the Russians came there. But the Tatars also came there. The first Russian city in Crimea - Korchev (present-day Kerch) was already in the 11th century, the ancestors of the Crimean Tatars came to Crimea at the end of the 11th century.
    And as for the struggle for independence, let’s talk without nonsense. Hitler did not throw his soldiers into battle in order to give the Tatars independence. Crimea was to become a German colony.
    "Crimea will give us its citrus fruits, cotton and rubber. 100 thousand acres of plantations will be enough to ensure our independence in this regard. We will supply Ukrainians with glass trinkets and everything that colonial peoples like ... We will organize trips to Crimea and to the Caucasus, because there is a big difference - whether you look at a geographical map or visit these places yourself "(Hitler's conversation with Bormann on September 18, 1941).
    "We will make the beauty of the Crimea accessible to us, the Germans ... Crimea will become our Riviera (Hitler's conversation with Bormann on the night of July 5-6, 1941)
    "We will completely transform southern Ukraine, in particular Crimea, into a German colony" (Hitler's conversation with Bormann on July 27, 1941)

    So the Crimean Tatar fascists are not independence fighters, they’re just Hitler’s mercenaries.
    1. Ayrat M
      Ayrat M 25 May 2013 17: 41 New
      -5
      After the devastating winter of 1941-1942. the German leadership decided to bet on a number of non-Russian peoples, contrasting them with the Russians, pitting them and trying to create something like a civil (interethnic) war.
      quote from here (http://kuzhist.narod.ru/Predateli/KrimTatarich/Tatarich.html) that's right, I will not argue. but now why bother us?
      1. Sour
        Sour 25 May 2013 18: 05 New
        +5
        Quote: Ayrat M
        but now why bother us?

        So I think - why pit us? We do not need this.
        But did someone order this film, Haitarma? Someone ordered.
        So, someone needs to bleed.
    2. Misantrop
      Misantrop 25 May 2013 21: 00 New
      +1
      Quote: Sour
      The first Russian city in Crimea - Korchev (present-day Kerch) was already in the 11th century, the ancestors of the Crimean Tatars came to Crimea at the end of the 11th century.
      Actually, the Crimean Tatars appeared in Crimea in the 13th century. Theodosius (under the Tatars - Kafa) in 1975 celebrated 2500 years (took part in the celebration). And Kerch (also changing its name many times) is at least 100 years older. But that's not the point. Monuments of Tatar culture now - except perhaps the names and feral gardens in the foothills. Everything else was created by the hands of slaves (most often Slavs). The same Bakhchisaray (built, by the way, according to the Italian project). The Tatars themselves began to work with their hands only with the arrival of imperial troops in Crimea, before that they did not bother
    3. Corneli
      Corneli 25 May 2013 23: 44 New
      +2
      Quote: Sour
      The first Russian city in Crimea - Korchev (present-day Kerch) was already in the 11th century, the ancestors of the Crimean Tatars came to Crimea at the end of the 11th century.

      Hmm ... "Russian" or Slavic? Moscow, according to the offs was founded, for example, in the 12th century, or did you have all the East Slavic tribes (according to, as I see, the new Russian fashion, it's strange that this was not the case under the USSR) were "Russian"?
      Oh, those scribes of history ... well, "proto-ukry", it's a shame ... but what are you ashamed of? Why in the USSR, from whose textbooks I personally studied, the inhabitants of our area were called not "Russians", but Eastern Slavs? Why did the USSR include the Ukrainian SSR (U-Ukrainian, for those who did not understand)? The leaders of the Union were not embarrassed by either the word "Ukraine" or the word Slavs ... Apparently they were (following your logic) TRAITORS !!! Otherwise xs even, how so?
      1. Evrepid
        Evrepid 28 May 2013 17: 27 New
        -1
        So here I am talking about the same thing.

        And Russia (RF) is only the Moscow region that produces oil. minerals, gold, feeds the whole country with milk and bread. )))

        And all the other swallows that only do what they devour
  • akm8226
    akm8226 25 May 2013 17: 03 New
    0
    The consul did the right thing ... he said the truth. And our government, as always, threw its citizen - and the consul told the truth.
    1. Corneli
      Corneli 26 May 2013 00: 01 New
      -1
      Quote: akm8226
      The consul did the right thing ... he said the truth. And our government, as always, threw its citizen - and the consul told the truth.

      And our former Minister of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, Pan Lutsenko in Frankfurt, beat a blue muzzle to a German policeman, and yelled that his grandfather fought in the war, and they were "fascist pigs" ... Our loved one is cooler, only I don’t think his behavior is correct and worthy
      P.S. He didn’t have anything for that, which struck me to the core (
      1. CTEPX
        CTEPX 26 May 2013 05: 21 New
        +1
        Quote: Corneli
        And our former Minister of the Interior, pan Lutsenko

        How did it happen! Compare the cattle "primazun to victories" and the consul of the Russian Federation, who very tactfully told that a number of provocative events are being held on the territory of Ukraine dedicated to the Victory Day and coordinated from a single center?)).
        1. Corneli
          Corneli 26 May 2013 19: 03 New
          0
          Quote: ctepx
          ... who very tactfully told that a number of provocative events are being held on the territory of Ukraine dedicated to Victory Day and coordinated from a single center?)).

          Flight of fantasy belay And how does he "stick" to these events ... I finally can xs
  • jagdpanzer
    jagdpanzer 25 May 2013 17: 19 New
    +1
    Quote: Sour
    Quote: Ayrat M
    Russians in Crimea can also be called occupiers, and from this point of view, the Crimean Tatars who sided with Germany are not traitors but fighters for independence ...
    aha fighters as well! they seize the land in the Crimea also from this principle? I heard about these "fighters" UNA UNSO, or the Balts do "Nachtigall"
  • Opera
    Opera 25 May 2013 17: 44 New
    +3
    The consul said what he had to say! Such people are the basis of the Russian land. The position of the Russian Foreign Ministry is certainly a mistake, it's a shame! Our people have been, are and will be in the Crimea. Nothing more to say.