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CIA agents went to the advisers to Russian ministers

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December 26 1991 broke one of the most influential states in the world - the USSR. As a result of the collapse of the Soviet Union, the territory of Russia decreased by 24% compared to the territory of the USSR, and the country's population immediately decreased by 49%. The single currency, common economic space, and established industrial ties have disappeared. The united armed forces of the country collapsed and numerous ethnic conflicts erupted in dangerous fire. The country's economy was not in the best position, the transition to a market economy demanded a large number of reforms. As a result, a huge number of various consultants flooded into the country, including from the USA.


In April, 2013, during a straight line with the people, Russian President Vladimir Putin made a statement, which became a real information bomb. The head of state said that among the advisers to today's head of the Rosnano state corporation, Anatoly Chubais, were 1990 employees working for the CIA, who were later brought to criminal responsibility in their homeland for illegal enrichment during privatization in Russia. According to him, in the entourage of Anatoly Chubais in the role of advisers, as we managed to find out today, the staff of the CIA of the USA worked. And the funniest thing about this stories Vladimir Putin called the fact that in the US they were brought to trial for attempting to legalize the funds received during the Russian privatization. They had no right to enrich themselves in a foreign country like acting intelligence officers, Putin noted. At the same time, the president of Russia did not specify who exactly was being discussed.

According to Vladimir Putin, Anatoly Borisovich and his associates in the early 1990-s managed to make a lot of mistakes, but they managed to radically restructure the structure of the domestic economy, the president stressed. It was then that a certain negative image was formed about them, but at the same time, someone had to do what these people did. According to Vladimir Putin, a number of mistakes could have been avoided already under those conditions. The President noted that some things could have been done differently, with less costs and social losses for Russia, not so tough. At the same time, Putin said one very important, if not to say the cornerstone thing - it is easy to argue on any topic in hindsight.
CIA agents went to the advisers to Russian ministers

He also discussed the activities of Chubais on the Rosnano post. According to him, Rosnano recognizes losses in the amount of 2,5 billion rubles. These are not small financial means, but at the same time it is possible in such a field as nanotechnology to do everything without mistakes and with an absolute profit. The President noted that there are failures and punctures in the work of the state corporation, but this is not part of a criminal offense. Once again, Putin, in fact, defended Chubais from public attacks.

He also added that he does not want to give any assessments of his activities, since the sphere in which Anatoly Chubais works is rather complicated. At the same time, Vladimir Putin reminded everyone that the idea of ​​creating this state corporation belonged to him personally. The president noted that there are situations in which regions spend money inefficiently, but this does not mean that someone has stolen it. Inefficient investment is not theft. On many issues, Chubais is my opponent, but one cannot be indiscriminately blaming a person and calling him a criminal, this is wrong and not fair, Vladimir Putin said.

Already after this straight line, the Head of Rosnano, who in 1990's held an important position as head of the State Property Committee, told reporters that prior to the statement by the Russian president, he did not believe that 2 had his former privatization consultants were US personnel agents. Chubais admitted that he had already heard this information many times before, but he considered it nothing more than rumors. However, once the President of Russia himself declared this, it means that this is really serious. In an interview with RIA News Anatoly Chubais noted that he had not seen a single official document that would at least to some extent confirm the voiced information, put this question before him. He did not see such documents when he worked in the Russian government and after that. It seems that someone who was responsible for this was obviously flawed here, said Anatoly Chubais.


If we talk about possible CIA agents, then, most likely, we are talking about Andrei Shleifer and Jonathan Hay, who at that time were working in Russia together with Anatoly Chubais. Later, Haye and Shleifer were really suspected of abusing their official position for personal gain. Both of them in the middle of the 2000-s were tried in Boston after the end of the 3-hlet investigation. According to information from American media in the 90s of the last century, Shleifer and Haye worked in Russia as part of a program of assistance in transferring a planned economy to a market economy. This program was funded by the United States Agency for International Development. According to US Department of Justice estimates, as a result of Shleifer and Hay’s activities, the state was damaged in the amount of 34 million dollars.

At the same time, American experts and journalists do not believe that these characters were really CIA agents. One expert, Jeanine Wedel, told RIA Novosti that she wrote 2 books about the role of Americans in the Russian privatization process. According to her, in order to make mistakes is not necessarily the life of the current employees of the CIA. Wedel said that she had never met evidence that Shleifer and Haye were somehow connected with the American special services. The same opinion is shared by the journalist David Warsh, who dealt with issues of finance and economics and at one time covered the history of Shleifer and Hay. He doubts that these consultants were somehow related to the CIA. According to him, if Putin does not have any documentary evidence to prove it, convincing someone that these people really worked for the CIA will be quite difficult.

The statement of the President of Russia has caused a violent upsurge in the Russian information space, but, in fact, this is already a distant past, a history of 20 years ago, which no longer matters. It is easy to judge something in hindsight, and who to judge here. Anatoly Chubais was the head of the State Property Committee, and not the head of any of the Russian special services. If foreign agents worked in his entourage, if he or other Russian politicians, such as Boris Nemtsov, were somehow tied up or managed by foreign special services, why hasn’t a move been made so far and these people are still on freedom.


I would like to ask where were all those who today talk about the fact that in Moscow at the beginning of the 90-ies, the CIA spies worked all the time. Why did they work and do not interfere with them, why did they suffer it? No one has resigned, no one has resigned, has not placed party cards and other “crusts” on the table, has not slammed the door. What did these people do 20 years ago and why did they decide to recall this now, for what? What is the point of telling that 20 years ago everyone knew everything, if, knowing this, no one did or did anything? Why stir up the past, listen to Putin: "It is easy to talk about any topic retroactively" and exhale.

Information sources:
-http: //www.vz.ru/news/2013/4/25/630312.html
-http: //news.mail.ru/politics/12887567
-http: //newsland.com/news/detail/id/1168448
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  1. ziqzaq
    ziqzaq 24 May 2013 07: 11 New
    25
    Sooner or later, history will pronounce its verdict on all traitors ..........
    1. Skiff
      Skiff 24 May 2013 09: 07 New
      24
      Yes, not that, and we didn’t know, they also opened the doors in the Kremlin with their feet, and the Yeltsin degenerate stood at attention when they were reporting to the jambs of the brother from the CIA, and the red one had a retinue of American instructors and advisers.
      1. sams
        sams 24 May 2013 17: 16 New
        +6
        Here are just two public statements of early Chubais.
        If you rummage around, it’s real to dig more than a dozen, including those recorded on video, for which you can safely judge, not to mention his affairs !!!

        "The immediate social consequences of the accelerated market reform include: a general decline in living standards; an increase in the differentiation of prices and incomes of the population; the emergence of mass unemployment ... In these conditions, it is very important for the government to adopt the right tone in relation to society: on the one hand, readiness for dialogue , on the other hand - no apologies or hesitation. It is necessary to envisage toughening measures in relation to those forces that encroach on the core of the reform measures ... During the reform (or at least its decisive stages), emergency anti-strike legislation will be required. "

        "What are you worried about these people? Well, thirty million will die out. They didn't fit into the market. Don't think about it - new ones will grow up."
    2. omsbon
      omsbon 24 May 2013 09: 16 New
      17
      Quote: ziqzaq
      Sooner or later, history will pronounce its verdict on all traitors ..........

      The sentence to the red-headed traitors and the hedgehog with him should be passed by the people's court, and the FSIN should carry it out.
      It is unbearable to wait for the trial of history, we risk it just not wait!
      1. mansur
        mansur 24 May 2013 15: 13 New
        +8
        In April 2013, during a direct line with the people, Russian President Vladimir Putin made a statement that became a real information bomb.
        The head of state said that among the advisers to the current head of the state corporation Rusnano, Anatoly Chubais, the CIA worked in the 1990s, who were later prosecuted in their homeland for illegal enrichment during privatization in Russia

        Dear comrades, this is really everything, but I read it three times and did not understand, that is, that
        this red werewolf
        1. Worked by the CIA, in the state corporation ???
        2. they were engaged in illicit enrichment in Russia during privatization ????

        3. And only in America was prosecuted ??????
        The circus left the clowns remained
        1. TUMAN
          TUMAN 24 May 2013 17: 28 New
          +4
          Quote: mansur
          The circus left the clowns remained

          Yes, these are the realities of our life! How sad it is to admit it! Our power is not ours!
        2. TUMAN
          TUMAN 24 May 2013 17: 45 New
          +1
          Quote: mansur
          The circus left the clowns remained

          Along the way, the circus is not only ours, the Americans are burning! laughing
          FBI employees who eliminated the Boston terrorist Tamerlan Tsarnaev died after falling out of a helicopter. This was reported in the press service of the department.

          Two employees of the counter-terrorism unit of the Federal Bureau of Investigation died on Friday, May 17. The incident occurred during exercises conducted by the FBI 12 nautical miles from the coast of the US state of Virginia.

          An official statement from the department said that special agents Christopher Lorek and Stephen Shaw dropped out of a helicopter while practicing a difficult exercise. The officers were supposed to go down the rope to the ship below, but for an unexplained reason they fell out of the helicopter from a "considerable height".
          http://news.rambler.ru/19236184/
          Not the topic, but damn it, there are no words. lol
        3. sams
          sams 24 May 2013 17: 57 New
          +6
          "85% of all enterprises in the Russian Federation were to be bankrupt. Then I find out that, it turns out, with the help of American consultants (read CIA employees), and Yeltsin had almost 100 of them there, a draft of Yeltsin's decree was prepared. that a special agency for bankrupt enterprises was created under the president, in fact the entire economy was transferred to this agency in this way. And who do you think was planned to head this agency? Chubais! Thus he would become higher than the president and higher than the Supreme Soviet, commanding the entire economy Of course, we would not have allowed it, but it was so, it was planned! " - Khasbulatov declares.

          And here is generally tin:
          http://www.rus-sky.com/history/library/plat7/plat7.htm
        4. fokino1980
          fokino1980 24 May 2013 19: 05 New
          +3
          That's it. RED CATTLE SHOULD RESPOND FOR EVERYTHING !!!!
      2. Denis
        Denis 24 May 2013 15: 48 New
        +5
        Quote: omsbon
        The sentence to the red-headed traitors and the hedgehog with him should be passed by the people's court
        I would like to be the crappiest prophet, but ...
        Alas, such a trial is impossible. So even before the review of the results of the privatization is near, just the next step
        Who will do this?
        1. Grenader
          Grenader 24 May 2013 17: 08 New
          +3
          Chubais is a criminal, but no one gives him to court - they shelter him. How much is our criminal code for harboring criminals?
      3. sams
        sams 24 May 2013 17: 41 New
        +2
        monster quotes from chubais


        1. crest 57
          crest 57 24 May 2013 20: 47 New
          +1
          And Vaska listens, but eats.
      4. fokino1980
        fokino1980 24 May 2013 19: 04 New
        +1
        Why not wet these reptiles in the outhouse !!! It will be better than the ephemeral court of history.
    3. pensioner
      pensioner 24 May 2013 09: 24 New
      +4
      Quote: ziqzaq
      Sooner or later, history will pronounce its verdict on all traitors .........

      People also make history. And how.
    4. k220150
      k220150 24 May 2013 12: 00 New
      +1
      Are you all hoping for a story? Or maybe it’s different? How many special services we have.
    5. Siberiak
      Siberiak 24 May 2013 12: 34 New
      +4
      Quote: ziqzaq
      Sooner or later, history will pronounce its verdict on all traitors ..........

      No time ... she will be rewritten earlier!
      Like it or not, but you’ll have to take it yourself ...
    6. fokino1980
      fokino1980 24 May 2013 19: 03 New
      +3
      I would like this verdict to be now and not the verdict of history !!! One of the reasons for my incomplete trust in Putin V.V. it is the absence of criminal prosecution of all organizers of "privatization". Gaidar, unfortunately, died, EBN too, but the "redhead" okay is alive and enjoying life. He is not worthy of such a life, and it is very insulting that Kvachkov did not fulfill the sentence.
    7. Combitor
      Combitor 25 May 2013 03: 58 New
      +1
      <but at the same time someone had to do what these people did.> An interesting confession from the lips of the All-Russian Fuhrer. It turns out that the head of state admitted that Chubais and Co. were destroying the country and robbing the Russian people under the leadership of the Western special services, but they would get nothing for that. For these words, Putin should be immediately removed from office and sent to the bunk.
  2. sashka
    sashka 24 May 2013 07: 28 New
    11
    And knowing all this, calmly continue to appoint a CIA agent to ministerial posts? Probably the agent will not peck out the eyes of the agent. Once passed, it means that the time has come to "otmazyvatsya" himself ..
    1. Canep
      Canep 24 May 2013 08: 59 New
      11
      If the American minister would have had himself as advisers to agents of the GRU, the KGB, or even Mossad or MI-6, then he would have been poisoned on the bunk, and in Russia such a person is headed by Rusnano.
      1. wax
        wax 24 May 2013 10: 45 New
        +3
        Unfortunately, under EBN there were no Russians at all. The story page is flipped by the United States. You need to turn the next page yourself.
  3. Timeout
    Timeout 24 May 2013 07: 30 New
    14
    Red ye ... ok, he carried out a megaglobal scam on Earth, introducing the vouchers he had invented and bought these pieces of paper for pennies from a poor population, he and his comrades made large-scale acquisitions of factories and plants from the state, including those included in the military-industrial complex, and the oil and gas complex was completely bought out. 70% of what was purchased was bankrupt and destroyed at the behest of friends from the West; grandmas make grandmothers for the remaining.
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 24 May 2013 09: 23 New
      +2
      Quote: Timeout
      Red ye ... ok carried out a megaglobal scam on Earth by introducing the vouchers he had invented


      Eh, I’ll go drink my saddle ...
      1. Timeout
        Timeout 24 May 2013 09: 32 New
        +2
        Save for posterity, so that you know what you do not have to be!
        1. pensioner
          pensioner 24 May 2013 17: 49 New
          0
          Late! Already drank. Toko for this had to borrow a lot.
  4. Suhov
    Suhov 24 May 2013 07: 38 New
    17
    Swearing with letters U and Y?
    But they did not guess: "Chubais"!
    wassat
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 24 May 2013 09: 21 New
      +4
      Yes, he has a bit too much in the surname of extra letters. And one more thing is missing ...
  5. Dima190579
    Dima190579 24 May 2013 07: 40 New
    +6
    Give Homeland Give Father and Mother. You give the Father and Mother you give God. And without God it’s scary to live.
  6. Dart weyder
    Dart weyder 24 May 2013 07: 48 New
    +4
    anyway - Red - a thieving bastard ... IMHO
    1. Denis
      Denis 24 May 2013 08: 13 New
      12
      Quote: Dart Weyder
      Red - thieving bastard
      Perhaps the ancestors were right when the redhead was forbidden to be witnesses in court
  7. Soldier
    Soldier 24 May 2013 07: 50 New
    +9
    According to him, Rusnano recognizes losses in the amount of 2,5 billion rubles. These are not small financial resources, but at the same time is it possible in such an area as nanotechnology, do everything without errors and with absolute profit. I lose weight dear edition. Under Stalin, they did !!!! As they say raven-raven ...
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 24 May 2013 09: 01 New
      +7
      Quote: Armeec
      Under Stalin, they did !!!!

      Under Stalin there was a SOCIALIST system. And now Russia is an empire with an imperial coat of arms! The emperor's associates are a sacred cow! And you can't touch them!
  8. DEDUCHKA
    DEDUCHKA 24 May 2013 07: 52 New
    +4
    Of course, such words about the cabinet of ministers - not even a year has passed, how they work there, what you want - but this is not about Chubais. After all, he was directly involved when Putin was appointed president. In short, Putin owes him, and he will never dismiss this, to put it mildly robbing the people. That's all.
  9. NKVD
    NKVD 24 May 2013 08: 02 New
    +9
    Redhead to prison
    1. avant-garde
      avant-garde 24 May 2013 08: 58 New
      +4
      oh hello colleague wink
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 24 May 2013 09: 17 New
        +8
        Twins along the way. Still found ...
  10. Boot under the carpet
    Boot under the carpet 24 May 2013 08: 04 New
    +4
    I believe that sometimes it is necessary to change the tops so that new channels for the development of a particular sphere appear. Now almost complete stagnation. Stomp on the spot. Although, probably for them it is beneficial.
  11. Denis
    Denis 24 May 2013 08: 10 New
    +5
    One of the agents in the photo next to his candy wrapper. I hope that his fate will be caught traitors
    It was the traitors who did not stand on ceremony, it was the spy who had the chance to be exchanged, and no one needs the used rubber products
    According to Vladimir Putin, Anatoly Borisovich and his associates in the early 1990s managed to make a large number of mistakes
    Somehow softly about mistakes.They are that little is stolen?
    Nothing, with a shot, he was given a chance to correct the error
  12. Garrin
    Garrin 24 May 2013 08: 15 New
    +8
    These bastards are better than any CIAshniki country and still are destroying.
  13. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 24 May 2013 08: 40 New
    16
    Red to the wall. And I want to ask Comrade Putin: If there were CIA officers in the redhead's advisers, what was your office doing, Comrade Colonel?
    1. Normal
      Normal 24 May 2013 11: 01 New
      +4
      Quote: Stroibat stock
      What was your office doing, Comrade Colonel?

      The same as now - ROOFED.
  14. Pilat2009
    Pilat2009 24 May 2013 09: 03 New
    11
    Laughing out loud
    The embezzlement of 2.5 billion is recognized and claimed that this is as it should be
    It is recognized that enriched during privatization and still Chubais is not red and white and fluffy
    What can we talk about?
    1. Timeout
      Timeout 24 May 2013 10: 09 New
      +2
      There is such an old expression - "the entourage makes a king" from this one can think of the rest. It is sad, but the fact is, anyone who comes to power in Russia (read the "trough") almost immediately loses conscience and any conformity to human norms ...
  15. pensioner
    pensioner 24 May 2013 09: 15 New
    +7
    blaming a person indiscriminately and calling him a criminal is wrong and not fair, said Vladimir Putin.

    Well then, you just have to honestly condemn him. Five years ... five. And just business.
    1. Timeout
      Timeout 24 May 2013 09: 34 New
      +8
      At .. eleven without the right of correspondence. And it’s better to put pensioners on trial. And then they will disassemble it into a million nanochubays!
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 24 May 2013 10: 01 New
        +2
        Quote: Timeout
        nanochubais!

        !!!!!! ++++++++++
  16. aszzz888
    aszzz888 24 May 2013 09: 28 New
    +5
    The memory of TV shows does not go out of memory when the head of Rusnano pulled a light bulb from his pocket and showed GDP. This and ALL results! Chub..s tried to explain something later, but it was not so clear (though as always) that it was not clear where the billions of rubles had gone, although it was so clear that they had been put into their bank accounts.
  17. Yozhas
    Yozhas 24 May 2013 10: 03 New
    +5
    The state is a cow that you can’t give out. Only now, not everyone is destined to pull the udder.
    THIS IS OUR COW AND WE ARE GIVING IT.

    On the bunks they all need to. 2,5 billion - this could be cured in the country of all sick children.
  18. Nitup
    Nitup 24 May 2013 10: 07 New
    +2
    Putin does not say anything in vain. Moreover, such things. Obviously, this is a kind of preparation for the trial with all these cases. Otherwise, why would he say this at all.
    1. Suhov
      Suhov 24 May 2013 11: 33 New
      +3
      Quote: Nitup
      Otherwise why he had to say it at all.

      Anatoly Chubais - former head of RAO AND IT IS!
      wassat
  19. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 24 May 2013 10: 09 New
    +5
    Interestingly, Putin understood that the whole country would make fun of him appointing Chubais in Rusnano, what kind of effective manager is such Chubais, some kind of inarticulate muttering about a difficult direction, do not judge them strictly, that is why the entire administration moves around the country exclusively with a crowd the guards, apparently understand how the people love them, so they love them that they are ready to take their heads off, but "the bloody tyrant Stalin who hated the entire Soviet people" walked around Moscow, accompanied by one guard, and this information was taken not from some pro-Stalin source but from a book Mr. Mlechin, there is a photo, there is a leader walking down the street around the usual people all go about their business, no corteges with quacks running along the road and demanding to vacate the street, they say, on your knees and take off your cap, CAM is going. Well, should Chubais appear on the street so his head will be torn off instantly, before he has time to say the word "privatization". This is how the poor live in a country that practically all hates him and with Pete and sees that he was at least behind bars. Gorbachev could not go to Germany out of harm's way.
    1. TUMAN
      TUMAN 24 May 2013 17: 38 New
      +4
      Quote: Standard Oil
      Interestingly, Putin understood that the whole country would make fun of him by appointing Chubais in Rusnano,

      There are two options:
      Option 1. Putin is a true patriot, but having a complete occupation of Russia by the international corporatocracy, he cunningly maneuvers and slowly clears the power of the sent "cossacks" (because he will not be allowed to do this right away, remember Kenedy).
      option 2. Putin is the same zas..ets as the EBN and the ruling occupation power, the resignations that he makes are just maneuvers to calm the discontented people.
      Which option is correct, we'll see, if of course they give us! laughing
  20. Yozhas
    Yozhas 24 May 2013 10: 16 New
    +4
    Quote: aszzz888
    The frames of the TV program do not go out of memory when the head of Rusnano pulled out a light bulb from his pocket and demonstrated GDP


    It probably was a nano light bulb for 2,5 billion rubles, but you still need a nano base and it will be powered by nano electricity through nano wires, I think the cost will be no less !!!! laughing
  21. Vrungel78
    Vrungel78 24 May 2013 10: 28 New
    +2
    If the agents were in advisers at Chubais, then where else were they? But there is a positive factor: they worked poorly, since Russia is reborn (at least the Russian spirit).
    1. wax
      wax 24 May 2013 10: 51 New
      +2
      worked badly, since Russia is reborn

      Self-satisfied, and two errors came out:
      default a little hurried
      - allowed EBN to improvise with Putin.
  22. V. Salama
    V. Salama 24 May 2013 10: 47 New
    +6
    Quote: Why tidy up the past, listen to Putin: “It's easy to talk retrospectively on any topic,” and exhale.

    Greetings to the author of the article. The severity of the crime is determined by the amount of damage. "... to reason in hindsight" - this is not the case, they perfectly understood what they were doing, but who was the decree for them - the article in the leaflet? Now we have to get out and explain to the people that everything was done for their benefit, only they say there were mistakes - "the one who does nothing is not mistaken." For me personally, such crimes (privatization and other merits of Chubais) have no statute of limitations. But "Why stir up the past ..." is it not clear to me in whose interests?
  23. JonnyT
    JonnyT 24 May 2013 10: 50 New
    +4
    ooooh .... red-headed corrupt bastard! And not only him!

    I remembered that when the revolution took place in 17, a secret agreement was signed that all natural resources should go west for almost nothing for 100 years. all this was before Stalin came to power. in the 90 years after the collapse of the Soviet Socialist Republic, a similar agreement was signed again for a period of 100 years .... these CIA officers provided the signing of this agreement and the creation of a legal field for its implementation
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 24 May 2013 18: 16 New
      +1
      Quote: JonnyT
      ooooh .... red-headed corrupt bastard! And not only him!

      I remembered that when the revolution took place in 17, a secret agreement was signed that all natural resources should go west for almost nothing for 100 years. all this was before Stalin came to power. in the 90 years after the collapse of the Soviet Socialist Republic, a similar agreement was signed again for a period of 100 years .... these CIA officers provided the signing of this agreement and the creation of a legal field for its implementation


      References possible?
      1. JonnyT
        JonnyT 28 May 2013 11: 22 New
        0
        This INFA is extremist and either it is not on the network, or it is in a very perverted form. That book was called "Judas on the Damn"
  24. dmb
    dmb 24 May 2013 10: 54 New
    +4
    I wonder if our President has read the laws that he signs, or at least the law on which he once again put ... Well, I mean the palm and the Constitution. Unlike him, I read them, and nowhere did I find that he was given the right to determine whether the actions of Chubais or some Serdyukov were corpus delicti or not. However, after such a "wise" answer, even specially trained people will say that there is no composition. He himself said what else, you fools, you need.
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 24 May 2013 18: 13 New
      +2
      Quote: dmb
      I wonder if our President has read the laws that he signs, or at least the law on which he once again put ... Well, I mean the palm and the Constitution. Unlike him, I read them, and nowhere did I find that he was given the right to determine whether the actions of Chubais or some Serdyukov were corpus delicti or not. However, after such a "wise" answer, even specially trained people will say that there is no composition. He himself said what else, you fools, you need.

      Do not worry: it was said - the court will understand! Kvachkov and Khabarov figured out, and then figure it out.
      After all, we have a court - what? Right - Independentwassat
  25. plohoy
    plohoy 24 May 2013 11: 19 New
    +3
    This redhead I personally would have lifted up on Red Square ..... So if that I am READY ..... I wait ....
    1. sashka
      sashka 24 May 2013 11: 23 New
      0
      Quote: plohoy
      This redhead I personally would have lifted up on Red Square ..... So if that I am READY ..... I wait ....

      For this beau monde, you are a good and diligent boy. Get in line. I think that's enough for everyone ...
    2. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 24 May 2013 18: 04 New
      +4
      Quote: plohoy
      This redhead I personally would have lifted up on Red Square ..... So if that I am READY ..... I wait ....


      Wait, but remember - now is not the 37th year !!! laughing
      1. Curculum
        Curculum 24 May 2013 23: 04 New
        0
        Quote: Yarosvet
        Quote: plohoy
        This redhead I personally would have lifted up on Red Square ..... So if that I am READY ..... I wait ....


        Wait, but remember - now is not the 37th year !!! laughing

        This, incidentally, is not from those sources where "documents" with seals and stamps are demonstrated behind text like "compromat.ru"?
        1. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 25 May 2013 02: 50 New
          0
          As you see, this is not an anonymous letter, the information about the author can be easily found on the net.
          I am not familiar with the aforementioned "documents", an article on this topic was in "Novaya Gazeta" in issue No. 20 of 23.03.2000.
          1. Curculum
            Curculum 25 May 2013 09: 52 New
            0
            Quote: Yarosvet
            Old about the author can be easily found on the net.

            I found it easily: "Natalia Shulyakovskaya currently lives in the USA" - http://www.elefterian.com/2007/08/18/compomat_putin/.
            Quote: Yarosvet
            As you can see, this is not anonymous

            I don’t see: everyone refers to “Publication in the newspaper“ Megapolis-express ”of April 8, 1992 (No. 15, p. 19)", but no one presents at least a scan of that newspaper page. Maybe you can?
            Quote: Yarosvet
            an article on this topic was in the "Novaya Gazeta" in number 20 from 23.03.2000

            "Cool" article, mentioning the "documents" that I pointed to above. Another splash of keyboard cowboys, no more.
            1. Yarosvet
              Yarosvet 25 May 2013 16: 29 New
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              Besides the fact that I will post the photo below there is no need to rummage through the archives. And there is no official refutation either, as there are no cases of libel.

              As for the documents - did you come across their photos with blue prints or just copies? All copies with stamps look as if the text goes over the stamp.
              1. Curculum
                Curculum 25 May 2013 17: 41 New
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                Quote: Yarosvet
                In addition, I will lay out the photo below

                Sorry, but what you presented is exactly the publication of Natalya Shulyakovskaya in the newspaper “Megapolis-express” No. 15, p. 19 of April 8, 1992?
                Maybe I didn’t consider it, but the GDP at the time of Natalia Shulyakovskaya’s publication should have looked a little younger, wasn’t it? And the page numbering is somehow not the same.
                Quote: Yarosvet
                All copies with stamps look as if the text goes over the stamp.

                You are mistaken: to place a copy of a file on a resource, scanning is not performed in a format, for example - PDF, when the text is "readable". Photocopies are shown, and the original shade of the seal or stamp color is always reflected on the text in gray-black format (if the scan or copy was black and white). So - you don't have to rummage through the archives, there is a similar function for L.O.H.O.V, but cannot be taken seriously by sane people.
                PS LOKH - m. Sowing. salmon fish, salmon, decayed by spawning: for this purpose, salmon rises from the sea along the rivers, and after spawning it goes even higher and gets into the whirlpools to get sick; the meat turns white, the splash from the mobile turns into silvery, a cartilaginous hook grows under the mouth, the whole fish sometimes loses weight by half and is called. sucker. She leaves the sea in the fall, and having spent (overwintering) there, takes a walk and again turns into salmon. The name is Loha: Pan, Valchak, Valchug. || Loch, psk. lohoves, open, shalapai (on offensky: man, peasant in general). || Wild Olive Tree, Eleagnus; || Jerusalem willow, agnew branches, Salix babilonica. Sucker, relating to sucker. Lochovina w. bad salmon, meat of sucker fish. || Rasten. Eleagnus, hortensis, gobble, silver wood, oil willow. (Explanatory Dictionary of Dahl. - 1863-1866).
                1. Yarosvet
                  Yarosvet 25 May 2013 19: 26 New
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                  The photo presented by me is extremely unreadable, there is no other yet. )))

                  All this may indeed be bullshit, but with the same degree of probability it may turn out to be true - there is no refutation.
                  Sale, Zykov, Shulyakovskaya spoke in plain text, but to the surprise of the suit for the protection of honor and dignity did not follow, and this, in turn, gives rise to and justification for suspicions. So far 50/50.
                  1. Curculum
                    Curculum 25 May 2013 21: 49 New
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                    Quote: Yarosvet
                    All this may indeed be bullshit, but with the same degree of probability it may turn out to be true - there is no refutation.

                    They say that there is no smoke without fire, but the example of a smoke bomb nullifies this statement.
                    I think that the characters you indicated were simply poorly prepared, unconvincing - and therefore they were not bothered by attention. And here why these characters incompetently presented - this is the main question, the answers to which are mass. And, in principle, it’s no longer worth looking for them.
                    1. Yarosvet
                      Yarosvet 26 May 2013 01: 39 New
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                      Without fire, even a smoke bomb does not smoke)))
                      1. Curculum
                        Curculum 26 May 2013 11: 57 New
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                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        Without fire, even a smoke bomb does not smoke)))

                        Come on, about the so-called. "chemical smoke" have an idea?
                        If not, please some examples:
                        Moisten the glass from the inside with a few drops of hydrochloric acid and, turning it upside down, cover it with a cotton wool moistened with ammonia. The entire interior of the glass is immediately filled with white smoke of the resulting ammonium chloride.
                        Water is poured into a glass and a piece of "dry ice" - solid carbon dioxide is thrown there. The water will immediately gurgle, and a thick white smoke, formed by chilled water vapor, will pour out of the glass. This smoke is completely harmless.
                        There is also the term "combustion without flame", but this is a little different.
                        Therefore, any statement can be interpreted in different ways, you need to know only a few details.
                        In addition, from the proverb, the time of the appearance of fire is not clear: before smoke or after.
                      2. Yarosvet
                        Yarosvet 26 May 2013 13: 45 New
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                        Quote: Kurkul

                        Come on, about the so-called. "chemical smoke" have an idea?

                        Such a chemical reaction can be called smoke only conditionally, and it has nothing to do with smoke bombs / grenades.

                        In addition, from the proverb, the time of the appearance of fire is not clear: before smoke or after.

                        Not at all: the construction of the phrase itself suggests that fire without smoke is quite possible and therefore primary.
                      3. Curculum
                        Curculum 26 May 2013 19: 33 New
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                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        Such a chemical reaction can only be called smoke.

                        Sorry, but have you forgotten what century you live in? I showed you typical examples, but are you not aware of the widespread use of the so-called. "safety fog" based on glycol or glycerin. All sorts of generators are used both in bank security systems and in discos, and in other similar places. It doesn't "smell" of the original fire.
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        and it has nothing to do with smoke bombs / grenades

                        Above, I pointed to generators, which are conventionally referred to as checkers. I agree that I may have expressed myself incorrectly, tk. I am not an expert in this area, but I constantly come across banking security, that's why I heard from them mention of some "smoke bombs", which are activated by hitting a hard surface with a certain side, i.e. principle of operation - piercing and mixing of reagents.
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        Not at all: the construction of the phrase itself suggests that fire without smoke is quite possible and therefore primary.

                        The controversial issue is "how many people - so many opinions." But I don’t presume to argue, this is not the right topic.
                      4. Yarosvet
                        Yarosvet 26 May 2013 22: 31 New
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                        Yes, I remember in what century I live - you forgot that the saying you mentioned appeared when there really was no smoke without open fire, which is what the dictionaries say. smile

                        And now, in order to start a chemical reaction in the system you described, some kind of heating blocks are used and therefore you can’t do without an electric spark, and the spark is also a kind of fire.

                        The "impact on a hard surface" you mentioned causes either a spark or a match effect - there is no mechanical piercing in such systems.
                      5. Curculum
                        Curculum 27 May 2013 09: 57 New
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                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        the saying you mentioned appeared when there really was no smoke without open fire

                        I absolutely agree - that's why I talked about progress: even living conditions are being modified.
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        And now, in order to start a chemical reaction in the system you described, some kind of heating blocks are used and therefore you can’t do without an electric spark, and the spark is also a kind of fire.

                        Like "a spark will ignite a flame"? From the school physics course, I separate the directional movement of charged particles from an electrical discharge.
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        The "impact on a hard surface" you mentioned causes either a spark or a match effect - there is no mechanical piercing in such systems.

                        Then, the specialists responsible for the security of the most powerful bank in the Russian Federation are full looh (and I doubt it very much). But this topic does not apply to the topic of fuf.ph. for L.O.H.O. from keyboard cowboys.
                      6. Yarosvet
                        Yarosvet 27 May 2013 15: 11 New
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                        Quote: Kurkul

                        The debate, as always, is not about the meaning and essence, but about the differences and accuracy of the conceptual apparatus of the debaters. )))

  • Pharao7766
    Pharao7766 24 May 2013 11: 38 New
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    Opening....
    laughing
    And Chubais himself (and the whole gop company like Gaidar, Sobchak, etc.) who?
    Are they agents working in sweat for the benefit of their beloved ones and how the infection that killed the USSR and devours the wealth of Russia now ?!
    Or he can remember how many hundreds of thousands of people became impoverished after their reforms, died in a noose or starvation ...
  • pensioner
    pensioner 24 May 2013 12: 01 New
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    I'm wondering what Chubais thinks about himself? He really considers himself a great statesman, or is it still cynical: "How well we grabbed it then! How all of them ...! And it gave a ride!"
  • slaventi
    slaventi 24 May 2013 12: 27 New
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    In fact, American advisers already worked in the first Russian government of Silaev under Yeltsin when the Soviet Union existed. The entire Russian political system was formed by the Americans back in the 90s. After Chubais, the state property committee was headed by Polivanov, but he could not even get into his office, since he held a position different from his predecessor. At that time, American advisers were distributing Russian property to the appointed aligarchs. Polivanov in YouTube. " and vile betrayal. A free, independent Russia, and Chubais are incompatible things. The fact that Chubais had CIA agents as advisers and Putin voiced this is actually of great importance. In the light of recent events, there is a hope that we will finally see this "gentleman" on the bench defendants, or at worst in London.
  • Roll
    Roll 24 May 2013 12: 50 New
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    fellow And I believe that voucher privatization is the only one in Russia that, under the leadership of Chubais, was carried out honestly and on fair principles. If we decided to take the capitalist path, then this is our problem. What did Chubais do. Everyone who wanted from the citizens of Russia, he received a voucher for 25 r. On the other hand, shares of enterprises were exhibited, mostly not more than 25 percent. Another part for working collectives. each one dispensed with a voucher as he wanted, whoever wanted to drink it, someone entrusted to incomprehensible funds, believing in fairy tales. In principle, the state should not indicate how to manage vouchers; for this, citizens had 1,5 years, and the right decision could be made. In the branches of each Sberbank there was a little book where to put the voucher, where the most valuable information is the address of the center for receiving vouchers. A free bus from the 1905 metro took there. The center was normal, there was even a free consultant, although it was of little use, even ballpoint pens were free.
    1. Denis
      Denis 24 May 2013 15: 41 New
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      Quote: Rolm
      And I believe that voucher privatization is the only one in Russia that, under the leadership of Chubais, was carried out honestly and on fair principles.
      Even joking is already blasphemy
      1. Roll
        Roll 25 May 2013 02: 15 New
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        request And why a joke, let’s say you drank your vouchers and blame Chubais for everything, and this is understandable, this is a person’s property, But I’m a patriot of Russia, I didn’t drink vouchers, but invested them in different enterprises, moreover, I bought vouchers for 20 bucks each not patriots or alcoholics on a tsrub. Any citizens of patriots could do the same. With 20 bucks of investments, each voucher gave about 500 bucks of profit. Well and what I blame Chubais, everything was honest. The reform of RAO UES Chubais was carried out as a brilliant manager sold all the OGKs and TGKs to the maximum. What foreigners bought, for example, TGK Fortum works fine, and that our type of Gasprom works shitty. And what does it have to do with Chubais. still a kid, and the demand from him should be like a kid, and not like a seasoned oligarch now.
        1. V. Salama
          V. Salama 25 May 2013 17: 19 New
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          Quote: Rolm
          Let’s say you drank your vouchers and blame Chubais for everything

          Suppose I didn’t drink my voucher ...
          Quote: Rolm
          I am a patriot of Russia, I did not drink vouchers, but invested them in different enterprises
          I didn't understand, however, what has the "patriot" got to do with it? I have my voucher, I do not trade in Russia, I can show it to anyone. Moreover, the vouchers were deliberately not personalized (and it was Red), that is, they were prepared for a thieves' scheme. Those who participated in it - a big hello from the deceived people.
          Quote: Rolm
          ... moreover, I bought 20 bucks for vouchers from non-patriots or alcoholics on the tsruba
          Where did you get that kind of money at that time? At the plant (officers, doctors, teachers) they did not pay so much. And ugly from needy people to buy property on the cheap. Can you recall what the nominal value of this voucher was announced?
          Quote: Rolm
          Any patriots could do the same. With 20 bucks of investments, each voucher gave about 500 bucks of profit.

          Yes, well you served as an intermediate link in the sacking of the country and warmed up quite patriotically - calculate your percentage of profit and read from Marx what he wrote about it.
          Quote: Rolm
          Well, and what should I blame Chubais, everything was honest
          You personally have nothing to blame Chubais for, although 500 bucks for a voucher was cheated on you, but you were not selling your own people, what kind of "honesty" could there be?
          Quote: Rolm
          Chubais carried out the reform of RAO UES, as the ingenious manager sold all the OGK and TGK to the maximum.
          You started it in vain ... I will refrain from commenting, I cannot find decent words.
          Quote: Rolm
          Anyway, when he was engaged in vouchers, he was still a kid, and the demand from him should be like a kid ...

          In the Criminal Code, the "boy's" age is defined specifically, there is no need to excuse an accomplice.
          Quote: Rolm
          Why a joke ...

          Hope all the same a joke. You joked, I joked back ...
  • Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 24 May 2013 12: 54 New
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    <<< .... before the announcement of the President of Russia (Chubais) did not believe the information that 2 of his former privatization consultants were American personnel agents. >>>
    Anatoly Borisovich is cunning: he knew nothing, knew nothing! As he later frankly stated - "Privatization in Russia before 1997 was not an economic process at all. It was solving the main task - to stop communism. We have solved this task." And who knows best about how to stop communism .... of course, the CIA specialists. It is likely that these agents did not show their documents to Chubais. But Chubais, judging by his deeds, is not so naive as not to see who he is dealing with. So now he is trying to justify himself in vain. You can't wash a "black dog" to white!
    1. Roll
      Roll 24 May 2013 13: 33 New
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      request And what does the CIA agent say on his forehead that he is an agent, or in Chubais’s task is to look for agents if the agents were a counterintelligence problem, not Chubais’s.
  • Roll
    Roll 24 May 2013 12: 58 New
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    tongue Of course, investing in stocks is a lottery, but I had an average of 500 bucks in profit per voucher. For example, a voucher invested in RAO EES cost several bucks in a few years, more than 1000 bucks in nickel. everything was fair. But the scammers began after Chubais at mortgage auctions. Yes, and the new owners of enterprises began to throw people, issuing emissions at penny prices, conducting draconian consolidation of shares or simply ruining the enterprise. So, they vainly talk about Chubais in vouchers, it’s mainly our fault. And the fact that the CIA agents worked for us is such a job for them, and it is foolish to think that at such a time we should not have them. Many themselves actively sold them.
  • sys-1985
    sys-1985 24 May 2013 13: 49 New
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    It seems that everything that this "color of the sun" touches loses its meaning in this world .. (2,5 billion losses) it's just FINISH
  • sincman
    sincman 24 May 2013 14: 43 New
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    Great video in the topic. Sounded a lot of interesting facts.
  • Strashila
    Strashila 24 May 2013 14: 52 New
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    But did something change ??? The proteges and protégés of the wonderworkers are working to this day.
  • Mister X
    Mister X 24 May 2013 15: 27 New
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    "The winners write the story, so the losers are not mentioned."
    Arthur Drexler

    Then they will twist everything, they will tell everything wrong:
    The last one will suddenly become a sage,
    The reformer is a rogue, and the thief is a mage,
    And the killer is a friend, and the savior is the enemy.

    Do not recognize the scoundrel in that hero cool,
    Do not see the face behind a blurry spot,
    Not love to the end, but war - not for
    Two ends, two rings, in the middle - nothing.

    With whom was the battle, whose labor was, whose poison was in the jug,
    Where is the carrot, where is the whip, who is to blame for everything,
    Here they’ll slightly erase, there they’ll slightly whiten
    Then they will twist everything, they will tell everything wrong ...
  • pinecone
    pinecone 24 May 2013 15: 27 New
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    They walked alone, now others walk. One Dvorkovich is worth it.
  • Tatanka Yotanka
    Tatanka Yotanka 24 May 2013 17: 11 New
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    it is obvious that Putin is heavily smeared on Chubais, I can not find another explanation, positioning itself as a strong leader and a thunderstorm, the United States simply cannot dismiss him, and after all, it was clear for a long time about the effectiveness of Chubais, the GDP pretends on camera that it believes when the whole country laughs at the "advanced" development of Rosnano, although a real man should have the words - "why are you red, I am a colonel of the KGB of this x ... th ... you want to?"
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 24 May 2013 17: 58 New
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      Quote: Tatanka Yotanka
      it’s obvious that Putin is heavily smeared on Chubais, I can’t find any other explanation, positioning himself as a strong leader and the US storm simply cannot dismiss him

      Are you overly categorical: "cannot"? Or maybe he doesn't want to?

      In any case, if he does not want to, then everything is clear with Pu.
      If it cannot, then there is serious real compromising evidence, as a result of the publication of which the people will hate Pu, and therefore everything is clear with Pu again.
      1. V. Salama
        V. Salama 25 May 2013 17: 41 New
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        Quote: Yarosvet
        Are you overly categorical: "cannot"? Or maybe he doesn't want to?

        Unfortunately, I don’t remember the names of the analyst and the publication in which this article was published, but the meaning is almost verbatim: - The possibility of Putin’s re-election for a second term will be determined by his attitude to Chubais.
        So, apparently he doesn’t want it yet, because he still cannot, but most likely he doesn’t want it even when he can.
        1. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 27 May 2013 00: 47 New
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          Unreasonable conspiracy theories.
          Speaking Putin, one should mean not only the person, but also the personification of the Government.
          The authorities (the guys in power, whose representative is Putin) are not going to change anything.
          If Putin wanted to change something, then he would have either been removed long ago, or he would have removed those who interfere with him.
          Based on the fact that there is no global positive dynamics, and negative progresses, we can conclude that at the moment everything is going according to plan for Putin (including Chubais, stools, commercialization of everything and everything, surrender of sovereignty and integration into the global economic, and then political system, etc.), and Putin is not only not going to change the current state of affairs, but will also make every effort to ensure that in the event of possible changes everything remains as it is.
  • spirit
    spirit 24 May 2013 17: 53 New
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    Yes, no brainer that this whole deck was formed in 90, led by Sobchak, who played in the box. But you won’t eject the card from the deck (even if this whole deck and rot), so Shoigu is chased from post to post, Hitler’s fireman was Model, Putin’s fireman is Shoigu. and in the new deck the king is also new. and the king will sit posthumously, because we are very fond of exposing personality cults. therefore, Red can at least from all sides impose himself on the CIA and sleep peacefully, DAD will forgive!
  • Snoop
    Snoop 24 May 2013 19: 42 New
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    Information bomb))) This has long been known :) Personally, I learned about it from one of Karaulov's programs "The Moment of Truth" that way in the late 90s or early XNUMXs))) While still a student))
  • regsSSSR
    regsSSSR 24 May 2013 21: 40 New
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    no damn the Tsruushniki working with Chubais sincerely wished our country good and prosperity laughing destroying all for what hands reach !!! and this red-haired Katya didn’t know anything belay and i am yay who is this ?? wassat Clowns itit I twist the leg !!!!
  • Stalinets
    Stalinets 25 May 2013 02: 12 New
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    This is common knowledge. Another thing is falling from my feet, why they do not share the ration with Khodorkovsky. Or worms with Berezovsky. ??? laughing request
  • as2604
    as2604 25 May 2013 14: 11 New
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    In the last photo, it seems that Chubais Putin is reporting
  • Tao
    Tao 27 May 2013 03: 56 New
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    Stalinist - I agree completely - well, there is a PROBLEM, there are enemies, so why are they still not shot, and their family is not completely burned out?
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