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Today Russia celebrates the Day of Slavic Literature and Culture. It is dedicated to the memory of Saints Cyril and Methodius, who invented the Slavic alphabet. Similar celebrations take place in the Bulgarian Republic.


At a time when Bulgaria was preparing to celebrate 24 in May - the Day of Bulgarian Enlightenment and Culture and Slavic Literature, the Day of Saints Cyril and Methodius, and also the anniversary 1150 anniversary of the creation of the Cyrillic alphabet - an inscription appeared on the European bill in Cyrillic alphabet "EURO". The first Permanent Representative of the Republic of Bulgaria in the European Union, and now the Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary of the Republic of Bulgaria in the Russian Federation, recalls how difficult this decision was made.

The first Permanent Representative of Belarus to the EU, and now the Bulgarian Ambassador to Russia, Boyko Kotsev (left) and President of the European Parliament Martin Schulz. Photo: European Parliament


Boyko Kotsev, Ambassador of Bulgaria to Russia:

In 2007, Bulgaria became the first EU member state in which the Cyrillic alphabet was the official alphabet. Even in the accession documents written in Bulgarian, where it was a single currency, its name was also written in Cyrillic: EURO. At that moment, no one suspected that a few months later, a serious problem would arise: how to write and pronounce it? The European Central Bank insisted that the term “euro” as a currency is a technical term, and it should be the same in all languages ​​of the European Union, respectively - in Bulgarian, and it should have been pronounced “euro ". But since such a transliteration was never applied in the Bulgarian language, this position was categorically unacceptable for Bulgaria. In practice, this would mean ignoring not only the Cyrillic alphabet as the third alphabet of the European Union, but also the entire invaluable Slavic spiritual heritage and the age-old cultural wealth associated with it.

Cyrillic, having appeared 1150 years ago, has become a new landmark in stories Slavic peoples, and the introduction of a single writing was a colossal cultural event. Cyril and Methodius brothers of equal apostles were declared pope by the holy co-protesters of Europe. For centuries, the Orthodox Church deeply honored them and their students and followers, those who bequeathed to us the majestic Christian heritage, which gives the spiritual appearance of both the Church’s mission among our and other Slavic peoples, and the character of the Bulgarian culture itself.

We could not compromise on the question of writing the word "EURO" as "EURO". This would mean giving up their alphabet, from a worthy history of their spirituality, from their significant civilizational contribution to the development and enrichment of European culture, which united about 200 millions of people sharing common traditional values.

At first we tried to defend our opinion and prove our right with the help of the laws of grammar. However, the European Central Bank did not accept our arguments. He referred to the fact that, if, they say, they will be guided by the grammatical features of all 27 countries in the European Union, this can lead to a wide variety of translation options and legal instability, which, for its part, will lead to problems in the functioning of the euro. In this situation, we could only refer to European legislation, according to which the name of the common currency should be the same in all official languages, taking into account, however, the existence of different alphabets. That was exactly the decision of the Madrid summit in December 1995 of the year - about renaming the ECU into EURO and about its phased introduction as a calculated currency. And when they asked us to prove that the word "EURO" in Cyrillic is written exactly as "EURO" in all countries using this alphabet, we decided to inquire on the official websites of the central banks of the countries writing in Cyrillic. Everywhere it was - "EURO". In order to reach a consensus, we put forward the following argument: translated into Bulgarian, the treaty on the accession of the Republic of Bulgaria to the European Union, ratified by all the Union countries, the Eurocurrency is marked exactly as EURO, in accordance with the fundamental principle of civil and international law Pacta sunt servanda.

In this situation it was very important that all Bulgarian institutions took a unified position on this issue. And, despite the rather strong pressure to accept the single currency precisely as EURO, as a result of such unanimity, the use of diplomatic skills and using the rules and procedures of the EU, we managed to convince our opponents of the correctness of their arguments. Thus, we were able to defend and preserve the inviolability of our spiritual traditions. After two and a half months of difficult negotiations and efforts, the decision was made. This happened during an intergovernmental conference in Lisbon at the end of 2007. Thus, the Cyrillic script was accepted and now on the all-European banknote of the new issue is already printed in Cyrillic EURO, and this is the alphabet on which more than 200 million people write, 140 million of whom live in Russia.

Today we celebrate the 1150 anniversary of the creation of the Cyrillic alphabet as an integral part of Slavic culture. This is a very significant event in our common cultural and spiritual life. The case of Cyril and Methodius brothers is deeply democratic, highly humane, Pan-Slavic and progressive. It is the most significant contribution of the Bulgarians to the formation of common Christian roots, to European and world culture as a whole. According to the 24 tradition of May, we will gather at the monument to Cyril and Methodius to lay wreaths and express deep admiration for their great work. The monument to our two enlighteners is located in the very heart of Moscow, not far from the other, dear to the hearts of every Bulgarian and Russian, a monument to the centuries-old Bulgarian-Russian friendship - the Chapel-monument to the grenadiers who fell in the battles of Plevna. This year, our fraternal countries solemnly celebrated the 135 anniversary of the liberation of Bulgaria from the Ottoman yoke and the restoration of the Bulgarian statehood as a result of the Russian-Turkish war of 1877 - 1878. And again, we, Bulgarians and Russians, according to tradition, will lay flowers at the Chapel-monument. Both monuments are located on both sides of the same small Ilyinsky Square, which has turned in the most natural way into a symbol of our fraternal ties, whose historical, Orthodox, spiritual and cultural roots go back in time.

In connection with the anniversary dates, which we celebrate solemnly this year, we made an official offer to consider the possibility of calling this square "the Square of Russian-Bulgarian Friendship". Such a decision will become, in our opinion, an expression of adherence to common spiritual and cultural roots, a convincing confirmation of a careful attitude to our historical heritage.
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  1. treskoed
    treskoed 24 May 2013 06: 24 New
    12
    And for some reason, we have Urals (Ural) brand oil, the Volga-Siber machine (Siberia)! Who please write and say so. Sorry, I wrote in Cyrillic, I don’t want to write Latin in this day.
    1. tronin.maxim
      tronin.maxim 24 May 2013 08: 32 New
      +7
      COMRADES AND WHO ANYTHING CONSIDERED WRITTEN WRITTEN BEFORE CYRIL AND METHOD? And I will say it was, there is a lot of evidence especially on the Internet, here are some of them: http://video.yandex.ru/search?text=%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2%D1%8F % D0% BD% D1% 81% D0
      %BA%D0%B0%D1%8F%20%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%8C%D0%BC%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%81%D
      1%82%D1%8C%20%D0%B4%D0%BE%20%D0%BA%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BB%D0%BB%D0%B0%20%D0%B8%
      20% D0% BC% D0% B5% D1% 84% D0% BE% D0% B4% D0% B8% D1% 8F & where = all more http://myrusskie.ucoz.ru/index/pismennost_do_kirilla_i_mefodija/0-13. Hmm, the alphabet we all cut and trim! sad
      1. keeper
        keeper 24 May 2013 08: 56 New
        +9
        Thought, but there is an official history and not scientific as they say. Patriarch Kirill convinces us of the Russian Orthodox Church that before baptism and the introduction of the Cyrillic alphabet we were barbarians and spoke in an incomprehensible language. I’m Orthodox myself, but I don’t accept this.
        1. DeerIvanovich
          DeerIvanovich 24 May 2013 09: 08 New
          +6
          Yes, he says a lot of things, for example, that our troops at 45 occupied Könnigsberg.
          and many of his wards did not go far from him, saying that Stalinism should be equated with fascism.
          it is necessary to drive away such managers from the Russian Orthodox Church, otherwise it feels like they are working against their own people.
        2. alebor
          alebor 24 May 2013 11: 33 New
          +2
          Quote: keeper
          Patriarch Kirill convinces us of the Russian Orthodox Church that before baptism and the introduction of the Cyrillic alphabet we were barbarians and spoke in an incomprehensible language.

          Patriarch Cyril is a wise man and never said such “stupid language” about such stupidity. The language is primary in relation to the alphabet and the emergence of a new alphabet or its transformation does not affect the spoken language. (Quite the contrary, historical changes in the phonetic structure of the language affect the alphabet, forcing the latter to adapt to lively speech, excluding from it or adding new letters). And the appearance of writing for any people who did not have it before is a great blessing, because it allows you to join the huge layer of knowledge accumulated by other peoples and previous eras. An unwritten people can be called barbaric in relation to a people with a written language. Just like a literate person, as a rule, is always more educated and has great knowledge compared to an illiterate person.
          1. baltika-18
            baltika-18 24 May 2013 13: 16 New
            +2
            Quote: alebor
            Patriarch Kirill is a wise man and has never spoken about such an "incomprehensible language" about such stupidity

            Take a look. From 16.30
        3. Nick
          Nick 24 May 2013 18: 12 New
          +2
          Quote: keeper
          that before baptism and the introduction of the Cyrillic alphabet, we were barbarians and spoke in an incomprehensible language.

          We spoke in a language incomprehensible to the Greeks ... Of course, the Slavs understood each other perfectly. And the Greeks called the Slavs barbarians because they did not understand the Slavic language and they seemed to them a repetition of sounds like VAR-VAR, therefore they called the speakers of similar languages ​​and not only Slavs barbarians ...
        4. folds
          folds 24 May 2013 23: 04 New
          +2
          Quote: keeper
          but there is an official story

          the official text of the life of the saints: "There, in Korsun, St. Constantine found the Gospel and the Psalter written in" Russian letters "and a person who speaks Russian, and began to learn from this person to read and speak his language."
          Source: http: //www.pravoslavie.ru/put/30522.htm
          next paragraph:

          “Soon the emissaries from the Moravian prince Rostislav, oppressed by the German bishops, came to the emperor with a request to send teachers to Moravia who could preach in the native language of the Slavs. The emperor called St. Constantine and told him:“ You need to go there, because no one is better than you he won’t do it. ”Saint Konstantin, with fasting and prayer, embarked on a new feat. With the help of his brother Saint Methodius and the disciples of Gorazd, Clement, Savva, Naum and Angelar, he composed the Slavic alphabet and translated the books into Slavic without which worship could not be performed : Gospel, Apostle, Psalter and selected services. That was in 863. "
          He who knows how to read will see everything.
      2. DeerIvanovich
        DeerIvanovich 24 May 2013 09: 06 New
        +5
        if you read Ganyusha, you’ll be even more surprised how Slavic writing is older than it is, but Cyrillic is a new thing compared to the runic record.
      3. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 24 May 2013 18: 49 New
        +2
        Quote: tronin.maxim
        COMRADES AND WHO ANYTHING CONSIDERED WRITTEN WRITTEN BEFORE CYRIL AND METHOD?


        ru-an.info/news_content.php?id=136
  2. domokl
    domokl 24 May 2013 06: 24 New
    13
    Our alphabet, Slavic writing is generally one of the cornerstones that hold the Slavic peoples together. The right thing to do is to lose traditional writing and lose some of our culture and history. It’s much more difficult for the Bulgarians to resist than we, but they also understand it.
    1. DeerIvanovich
      DeerIvanovich 24 May 2013 09: 10 New
      0
      more ancient runic writing, was distributed much wider than the Cyrillic alphabet. Ganyush, and not only he, in his works conducted a comparative analysis of many runes of the peoples of Europe ...
  3. k220150
    k220150 24 May 2013 07: 31 New
    +4
    There is an exact metaphysical definition "Language is the house of being", in general, it is adequate when not to go into the nuances. If we take it for a fair one, then the conclusion is that they are trying to drive us out to the ashes. Implementation, a briefing, a summit and a bunch of very different ... none. And it would be much more seemingly innocent - “In” Ukraine and not IN Ukraine, talk with Svidomo-turned. When we speak Russian, we take part in hostilities
    1. DeerIvanovich
      DeerIvanovich 24 May 2013 09: 12 New
      +2
      so far to go far if the federal channels already say "to" Ukraine. this is up illiteracy.
  4. k220150
    k220150 24 May 2013 07: 43 New
    +6
    DO YOU GO TO CHURCH OR DO NOT GO? - This is your own business, but speak Russian. Only it should be a real Russian language. They are at war with us, it’s obvious. Remember Chernomyrdin, who was shown to us with enthusiasm as Chrysostom, and this was just an illiterate tongue-tied type. Not talking about the verbiage of Gorbachev, dibilizm ebn. And at the other extreme, word professionals. Today, the question again is "Who are you with a cultural master?"
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 24 May 2013 23: 14 New
      0
      Quote: k220150
      . Remember Chernomyrdin

      "They wanted the best, but it turned out as always." You can’t say better.
    2. Revolver
      Revolver 24 May 2013 23: 14 New
      0
      Quote: k220150
      . Remember Chernomyrdin

      "They wanted the best, but it turned out as always." You can’t say better.
  5. Igarr
    Igarr 24 May 2013 08: 02 New
    +8
    Hi, brothers.
    Let's introduce on the forum - "Language of ultimate clarity" - the correct classic literary Russian.
    But just what to do with the words then - already, more slowly, they went wild, go (it was used as go-go back in the 60s.
    Still a lot of outdated and localized words.
    At the same time, call - computer- in Russian.
    ....
    Artificially distorting the language is a crime.
    Do not let him get rich through the emergence of neologisms - stupid conservatism.
    ..
    The razor blade is lively, full-fledged, magnificent and juicy RUSSIAN.
    We create it - we.
    Well, and it is necessary, together, to go along the Blade.
    1. dmb
      dmb 24 May 2013 09: 15 New
      +2
      And do not perform castration. Talking about the purity of the language is necessary, but there is a "but." Well, do not teach you the "three-volt" to write correctly, if he himself does not want to. In addition, the inclusion in the text of speech, previous eras (if it is appropriate) is by no means an indicator of illiteracy. The site is in live communication, and not a report at the union meeting. If, speaking of a razor, you meant such an approach, then I absolutely agree with you.
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      2. folds
        folds 24 May 2013 23: 10 New
        +1
        And an extra comma in 4 sentences? ;)
    2. DeerIvanovich
      DeerIvanovich 24 May 2013 09: 17 New
      +2
      Quote: Igarr
      At the same time, call - computer-in Russian.

      Computer, what is bad? I generally abbreviated from the computer I call this device a machine!
      Quote: Igarr
      Do not let him get rich through the emergence of neologisms - stupid conservatism.
      it is necessary to allow enrichment only if a concept is introduced that before that simply did not exist in the language, otherwise there is no respect for one’s culture!
      1. Igarr
        Igarr 24 May 2013 18: 12 New
        +2
        I agree with you ..
        however, the use of abbreviations - computers, RPKSN, BUP - is permissible in the specialized literature. On our forum - and that is limited.
        Of course, you can call a computer an electronic computer. But long. No?
        They introduced the concept of a tank in due time. Who will say now - that this is not a word of the Russian language?
        But - the word - make fun, sucks, nishtyak, show off ..... and how much more - though Russian, but the ear is very so .. inform.
        In all senses.
        “..If you meant such an approach when talking about a razor, then I absolutely agree with you.” - This is exactly the approach, exactly.
        1. DeerIvanovich
          DeerIvanovich 24 May 2013 22: 55 New
          +1
          Quote: Igarr
          Of course, you can call a computer an electronic computer. But long. No?
          I wrote that I usually say in abbreviated form - the machine and everyone understands me.
      2. Seraph
        Seraph 24 May 2013 23: 45 New
        0
        The machine, by the way, is from the Latin macina. How to Russify it?
  6. pensioner
    pensioner 24 May 2013 08: 22 New
    0
    So Yes . Well done Bulgarians. But if they had shown the same tenacity in asserting their right to an independent foreign and domestic policy ... For a long time they would have had a Schengen nuclear power station and housing and communal services in a twenty rupee ...
  7. Belogor
    Belogor 24 May 2013 08: 29 New
    0
    The Bulgarians had enough principle only for this (spelling of the name of the currency) For the rest, the gut is thin
    1. mnn_13
      mnn_13 24 May 2013 16: 42 New
      +2
      Dear Belogor, let us at least here speak positively about what unites us, about enlightenment and spirituality. About who has small intestines and who betrayed anyone on this site, more than enough publications and discussions.
      1. Belogor
        Belogor 25 May 2013 05: 28 New
        0
        Quote: mnn_13
        Dear Belogor, let us at least here speak positively about what unites us, about enlightenment and spirituality.

        Unfortunately, but in recent years, more of us have been disconnected than united. The priorities are different, you are drawn to the EU and NATO, liberal values ​​and other crap. Do you remember Russia only when problems press you or something is needed from it. And only religion and Cyrillic remained in common, and this is not enough to talk about friendship
  8. tan0472
    tan0472 24 May 2013 08: 38 New
    +6
    The Slavic alphabet existed long before Cyril and Mythodius. And writing and culture were among the Slavs long before the Christian saints. I dialed "Az Beeches Lead" in Yandex. First link:
    "Az, Buki, Vedi ... On the meaning of the ancient Slavic alphabet." http://tiesa.ucoz.net/load/tekstovye_fajly/mirovozzrenie/az_buki_vedi/24-1-0-70

    Az Buki Veda Verb Good Natural Live Earth Earth And Like Some People Think Our Ones Rtsi Word Firmly Uk Färt Her Tsy Cherve Shta St Yus Yati.

    And decryption (translation for those who have forgotten their roots).

    I know the letters: writing is a treasure. Work hard
    Earthlings, as befits intelligent people - comprehend the universe!
    Carry the word with conviction: knowledge is a gift of God!
    Dare, delve into the light of Jehovah!


    And the second decryption option:

    I Know God.
    I speak and do good.
    Good is Life.
    Live the Earth, she is our nurse.
    And How do We Think People is Our World.


    The Latin alphabet is not translated. So who enlightened whom?
    1. Pit
      Pit 24 May 2013 09: 34 New
      -1
      Quote: tan0472
      The Slavic alphabet existed long before Cyril and Mythodius.

      There was no time when the Slavic alphabet before it was invented by two Greeks, moreover, illiterate.
      There was an ABC. And the difference between the alphabet and the alphabet is fundamental, if the alphabet is a phonetic series for words, then the alphabet is a set of images. It follows that the language based on the alphabet is initially poorer than the language based on the alphabet.
      And the rest you correctly noticed.
      1. mnn_13
        mnn_13 24 May 2013 16: 52 New
        -1
        two Greeks, moreover, illiterate.

        This statement calls into question only your literacy. Cyril and Methodius had a high formation after that time and Slavic origin that helped them create the Glagolitic alphabet. Byzantium was a state with an imperial structure and nationality did not have the significance that we attach today.
        Esli really had Slavic writing before Cyril and Methodius, their Slavic origin suggests that they probably knew about this writing.
        1. heathen
          heathen 24 May 2013 18: 59 New
          +3
          Seriously? Nationality did not matter? And why then John Tzimiskes, the Byzantine basileus, called your ancestors of the Bulgarians "barbarians gnawing raw skins". And his predecessor, Vasily II, even earned a name for himself - the Bulgarian Man, ordered to execute 38 thousand in one day, if my memory serves me right, guess who? If this is not genocide on a national basis, then I don’t know what to say.

          By the way, the verb may Cyril and Methodius may have been created, but here I use the letters, which are now called the Cyrillic alphabet. And in the Tale of Bygone Years it is written that in Korsun, long before the creation of his alphabet, Cyril already saw a book written in RUSSIAN letters.
        2. DeerIvanovich
          DeerIvanovich 24 May 2013 22: 59 New
          +1
          the glagolitic was known everywhere and before the brothers of the Greeks.
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  9. Oleg1986
    Oleg1986 24 May 2013 09: 34 New
    -5
    Selling Cossack pagans right there, then. They tell you that such "patriots" will ruin the country from the inside, and no liberal impotents are pink.

    The report of Vitaly Pectanov, a well-known sectologist, teacher at the Institute of Religious Studies and Church Arts, highlighted the true story of the Veles Book. In fact, the Veles book is an invention of the emigrant Bogatyrev, who composed it while abroad. These were his fantasies on the theme of Ancient Russia, which were then picked up and untwisted, it is possible that with the participation of American intelligence services. Neither the language nor the content of the “Veles book” corresponds to the realities of the XNUMXth century. So far, not a single real sample of this text has been presented, only photographs. As for the language, this is not a language of the XNUMXth century, the content of the book also does not correspond to the realities of the XNUMXth century. This is an obvious falsification. Our great fault and misfortune is that this counterfeit is a success, it is reprinted in thousand copies, while the exposure of this counterfeit, for example, the work “What Scientists Think of the Veles Book,” was published in a print run of XNUMX copies. This is called the "dream of reason", and it is known that "the dream of reason gives rise to monsters."

    Neopaganism as a project is not accidentally financed so powerfully, because behind it are the interests of Western special services and backstage forces, who perfectly understand that Russia stands alone - the Orthodox faith, the Orthodox spirit. If this is removed, then Russia will again disintegrate into many tribes living in animal customs. And the fact that animal customs are intensively imposed on us is far from a secret.

    And for a snack, it’s just the written testimony of state official Ahmed ibn Fadlan from the Arab Caliphate dating from 922:

    After the usual for the medieval traveler description of the Rus clothes, jewelry of their women and tales of gradations in the material wealth of the merchant Rus, Ibn Fadlan begins to express his observations and emotional attitude in sharp contrast to the initial, enthusiastic, as it seems, introduction: “They are dirty from the creature Allah, - (they) are not cleansed of stool or urine, and are not washed of sexual impurity and do not wash their hands after eating, but they are like wandering donkeys. " For a faithful Muslim, whose daily five-fold prayer should be accompanied by ritual bathing, dirt and stench, as well as neglect of hygiene standards, were a shocking phenomenon.

    “They come from their country and moor their ships on Attila, and this is a big river, and build large houses of wood on its shore, and they are going to be ten or twenty in one such house, less or more, and each of them has a bench , on which he sits, and with them (sit) the girls are a delight for merchants. And one of them is combined with his girlfriend, and his friend is looking at him. Sometimes, many of them are united in this position, one against the other, and a merchant enters to buy a girl from one of them, and (thus) finds him combining with her, and he (Rus) does not leave her, or ( will satisfy) partly his need. ”Involuntarily slips sarcasm when recalling the claims of neopagans about the nobility and purity of life of pagan Rus. Obviously, it is the sexual licentiousness of merchants who sell their concubines that we can illustrate the aforementioned “purity and nobility” together with the neo-pagan touching “natural harmony”. Like animals, not ashamed of each other, merchants satisfy their lust in front of slave buyers, which seems to only develop “harmony” ...
    1. Oleg1986
      Oleg1986 24 May 2013 09: 35 New
      -7
      “And they always have to wash their faces and their heads every day with the dirtiest water that happens to be the most unclean, namely that the girl comes every day in the morning, carrying a large tub of water, and brings it to her master. So, he washes in her both his hands and his face and all his hair. And he washes them and combes them with a comb into the tub. Then he blows his nose and spits into it and leaves nothing from the dirt, but (all of this) does into this water. And when he finishes what he needs, the girl carries a tub to the one who (sits) next to him, and (this) does just like his friend does. And she doesn’t stop transferring it from one to another until she passes it around all those who are in (this) house, and each of them blows her nose and spits and washes her face and her hair in it. ”

      Comments on this plot, I think, are unnecessary. All that remains is a feeling of disgust and bewilderment from such a form of “hygiene”, dictated by the notorious “harmony with nature”.

      Yes, such highly developed civilizations and their current admirers of the three-letter alphabet will suffice.
      1. Tverichanka
        Tverichanka 24 May 2013 23: 18 New
        +3
        Quote: Oleg1986
        perplexity from this form of "hygiene"

        That is why we Russians still adore the bathhouse, with the broom and the weed parks. And buying a summer cottage, that a simple person, that is rich, build a bathhouse. The difference is only in the level of decoration. But the essence is the same. And we live by Today there is an abundance of water, which can not be said about the Arabs, where sometimes there is simply nowhere to drink. Water is in short supply. So leave this nonsense. The Russians are the cleanest nation in the world! Therefore, many world pandemics have not affected us. And to this day and you can’t closely compare washing in the shower or in the bathhouse. Shower for us is like an ambulance. But for the soul, it’s a bathhouse. I think no one will deny it. Your source of “truth” has gone .. forest.
      2. folds
        folds 24 May 2013 23: 23 New
        0
        Somehow you are a person who gave you a name, very very disgusting face in the mud. I'm talking about Oleg the Prophet. Indeed, commenting on the text is superfluous when the lie is so bulging - it can be seen with the naked eye. With this approach to hygiene among ancestors, those who would now live in Russia would have spoken Arabic for a long time.
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    3. baltika-18
      baltika-18 24 May 2013 11: 12 New
      +7
      Quote: Oleg1986
      And for a snack, it’s just the written testimony of state official Ahmed ibn Fadlan from the Arab Caliphate dating from 922:

      You lie with the writings attributed to a certain Ahmed ibn Fadlan. No one has ever seen the original text. For the first time, ar Rumi is mentioned in the 13th century and then only small fragments. There is only a photocopy of the document, it is impossible to determine when and by whom it was written.
      1. folds
        folds 24 May 2013 23: 26 New
        +1
        that is, the analogy with Oleg1986’s description of the unreality of the Veles book is complete? :)
    4. Tverichanka
      Tverichanka 24 May 2013 22: 56 New
      +1
      Quote: Oleg1986
      Like animals, not ashamed of each other,

      Oleg, don’t forget that your distant ancestors relate to all this. Aren't you ashamed of them? Why are you close to humiliating our ancestors by some kind of Arab? Now Gozman also says that SMERSH and SS are twin brothers. They will be found in 2 Thousands of years this is an assertion by archaeologists and in all museums this find will appear as truth! Today we can disagree and prove wrong. And then who will prove what and what? So be careful with believing everything in a row. my ancestors in very distant times were worthy people. And you?
  10. Pit
    Pit 24 May 2013 09: 36 New
    +3
    What did Cyril and Mythodius do? They castrated our alphabet and actually began the destruction of our language.
    And what do we have today? 33 ugly sounds from 49 original images.
    Congratulations to the gentlemen, we will celebrate the 1150th anniversary of the birth / death (to emphasize who is closer) of the language.
    The only good news is that we have not forgotten how to think in images.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 24 May 2013 11: 08 New
      +2
      Quote: Pit
      Congratulations gentlemen, we will celebrate the 1150th anniversary of the birth / death (emphasize to whom is closer) of the language

      What do you dislike? The language you speak, the letters that your children learn? Well, learn another and speak Chinese, there are 3 thousand characters.
      1. TUMAN
        TUMAN 24 May 2013 11: 16 New
        +6
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        What do you dislike? The language you speak, the letters that your children learn? Well, learn another and speak Chinese, there are 3 thousand characters.

        That's what we don't like!
        Ancient Slavic Initial Letter had 49 Initial letters. To translate the Bible into our language, Cyril and Methodius redid our ancient Slavic letter and gave the letters Greek names, and removed letters that they did not understand (those that were not in Greek). Yaroslav the Wise with his wisdom removed another letter. The reformer Peter I removed five. Nicholas II three more. After the 1917 revolution, the Jew Lunacharsky removed three and added the letter `` ё ''. Lunacharsky removed the images from the Initial letters, leaving only phonemes, i.e. language has become without figurative = ugly. This castration of the language leads to the degradation of not only the language, but also the mind of the people who use this language.


        Until the roots have dried out, remind the tree of genera
        To everyone whose traces are cold, that they were born in Russia!
        With fury, give them the Gods the salt of the centuries-old road,
        To stepping feet in memory of past centuries.
        Well, and who does not understand, does not remember,
        The wind will remind you of that.
        And reflected in the Lake Essence - a reflection of the truth.
        Cry zealous: sworn, sworn! Let me out! ..
        In Iznov
        Still, the beam brightens.
        1. tronin.maxim
          tronin.maxim 24 May 2013 12: 32 New
          +3
          I fully support you!
        2. builder
          builder 24 May 2013 20: 22 New
          -1
          Schizophasia is a symptom of 26 Baku commissars, first described by them during the passage through the Alps on horseback on the ALS324B LED indicator. The first mention of this bird in the literature on colorimetry dates back to the era of the scientific and technological revolution, when jeans began to replace jeans with anvils on lampposts. Around the same electroscope, Isaac Newton sewed a steam engine out of the snow and mounted it on an MD-47 dynamic microphone.
        3. DeerIvanovich
          DeerIvanovich 24 May 2013 23: 05 New
          +1
          They also say that they removed the Bible for cursive writing, supposedly there were still no printing presses.
        4. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 25 May 2013 05: 57 New
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          Quote: TUMAN
          and letters they didn’t understand (

          Cyril and Methodius apparently were two ignoramuses in your understanding. Who did not understand the meaning of letters, but created an alphabet in which we have been communicating for a thousand years. I don’t understand the people who write here: I’m proud that I am Russian .... what kind of Russian are you in FIG if you don’t like the language you speak.
          Quote: TUMAN
          This castration of the language leads to the degradation of not only the language, but also the mind of the people who use this language.

          Degradation of the language comes from the West, when hundreds of dozens of words like SHOPING, creativity and other crap come to the Russian language. As for our people, I have been talking with many people for a long time, I did not notice the symptoms of degradation caused by the lack of sounds. Or maybe you have degraded?
          1. TUMAN
            TUMAN 25 May 2013 09: 39 New
            +2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Cyril and Methodius apparently were two ignoramuses in your understanding. Who did not understand the meaning of letters, but created an alphabet in which we have been communicating for a thousand years. I don’t understand the people who write here: I’m proud that I am Russian .... what kind of Russian are you in FIG if you don’t like the language you speak.

            Cyril and Methodius are two people who castrated the Great Russian language! This language is the oldest in the world! Two charlatans came and spoiled him, on the orders of other charlatans who brought Judeo-Christianity here. There are also modern charlatans who say that my Great people were wild, barbaric and second-class people.
            So what kind of Russian are you, if you support the destruction of your own language, and applaud those who say that your ancestors are second-class people!
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Or maybe you have degraded?

            Forum members are right! When Romanov's arguments end, rudeness begins!
    2. baltika-18
      baltika-18 24 May 2013 13: 45 New
      +4
      Quote: Pit
      The only good news is that we have not forgotten how to think in images

      And we will never unlearn it. And it is not a matter of naming sounds, but of the system of Russian speech, the syllabic system. Sounds are beautiful in themselves, and folded into words reveal the secrets of the universe. People were taught to speak, and those who taught spoke Russian , moreover, in our modern language. Someone learned poorly, someone could not pronounce correctly, everyone was different. But the person initially had the desire to improve everything and everything. So the process is natural.
      Quote: Pit
      33 ugly sounds

      It depends on how you pronounce these sounds and how to combine them.
      Quote: Pit
      Of the 49 original images.

      And what do you mean by the original image?
  11. Gado
    Gado 24 May 2013 13: 33 New
    +5
    I see a lot of things you know about the alphabet and the alphabet, well, know yourself. Happy holiday!
    1. Svobodny
      24 May 2013 13: 47 New
      +2
      Quote: Gado
      Happy Holidays!

      And you with a holiday, dear Bulgarian brother! Happy Day of our common great writing and culture!
      1. Gado
        Gado 24 May 2013 14: 14 New
        +5
        Thank you, and to you all the same, dear Russian brother, sooner or later we will be together again in everything!
        1. Babon
          Babon 24 May 2013 14: 27 New
          0
          It is not known that the COAT OF ARMS is stretching to Europe. BSP only think about themselves. DPS like pro-Turkish. Do you think that today's parliament will be in power for a long time? So far it does not look like together, now your politicians are closer to Europe.
        2. baltika-18
          baltika-18 24 May 2013 15: 32 New
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          Quote: Gado
          Thank you, and to you all the same, dear Russian brother, sooner or later we will be together again in everything!

          I believe that in the near future, socialism will say its weighty word in the matter of unity of the Slavic peoples and all those who care about the future of planet Earth.
  12. Gado
    Gado 24 May 2013 14: 48 New
    +6
    Quote: Babon
    Do you think that today's parliament will be in power for a long time?

    I think that in general the government will not stand, the parliament all the more so, it’s not worth talking about our politicians in general, ordinary people don’t tolerate their faces on television to watch every day.
    Gypsies littered our way to Europe, politics littered the way to Russia, and we flounder like drowning people — some burn, others jump from bridges, others go to madhouses in general ... the picture is not happy, everyone has only one hope.
  13. sys-1985
    sys-1985 24 May 2013 15: 26 New
    +2
    Everything was before them, but they (Cyril and Methodius) led to a certain denominator i.e. system. Which subsequently was adopted as a fact. I do not pretend to be the truth of the statement.
  14. Gardamir
    Gardamir 24 May 2013 17: 32 New
    -1
    Interestingly, there is still a country where two people invented the alphabet?
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 24 May 2013 19: 00 New
      +4
      Quote: Gardamir
      Interestingly, there is still a country where two people invented the alphabet?

      Another thing is interesting - is there still such a country where they believe in it. laughing
      1. Pinochet000
        Pinochet000 24 May 2013 22: 16 New
        +2
        Quote: Yarosvet
        Another interesting

        They also came up with the images of capital letters, Greek Christians, huh, think about it .... for example, such as Vedi (Vedat), they should have fought against this?
        1. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 24 May 2013 22: 55 New
          +4
          Quote: Pinochet000
          They also invented the letters


          Still more fun: in the Greek alphabet - 24 letters, in the Old Slavic - 49.
          That is, instead of teaching the Slavs Greek writing, they supposedly started creating a new written system, in no way connected with Greek lol

          Apparently then they secretly got to China and broke off there to the fullest laughing
          1. Pinochet000
            Pinochet000 24 May 2013 23: 06 New
            +2
            Quote: Yarosvet
            Still more fun

            Exactly laughing
  15. Ermek
    Ermek 24 May 2013 22: 13 New
    +5
    Hello to all,

    allow two quotes, http://vadim-blin.narod.ru/olgas/iazyk/summ.htm. Or maybe master the whole book.

    ... Even if no other Slavic text is found in the building of Etruscan monuments, this Volterra inscription alone is capable of assuming the responsibility of a fact attesting to the real antiquity of Slavic alphabetic writing and languages. The text is so lexically and grammatically perfect that it does not require any divinatory-combinatorial interpretation. He does not allow variations of the breakdown into words, as befits an absolute text. Its language has obvious signs of the dialects of the South Slavic branch. Not Proto-Slavic, as the venerable age of the monument requires, but living languages, which have preserved to this day the basic dialect features that are recorded in the vocabulary and grammar of the ancient message. Bulgarian, Serb, Slovenian and Croat without much effort will read and understand this inscription. It gives the Slavs the opportunity to explore the entire body of Etruscan monuments, primarily performed in a continuous line.

    New finds of Slavic inscriptions in the three-thousandth collection of Etruscan monuments, I hope, in the near future the date of birth of the letter Slavic letter ("Cyrillic") is pushed back into history. Inscriptions on a quadrangular stone from Volterra for more than 2700 years. Cyrillic appeared 17 centuries earlier than the era of the Byzantine theologians Cyril and Methodius, who edited the “pagan letter” in the spirit of Greek Orthodoxy, so that the scripture in Slavic languages ​​looked “in Greek”.
    1. DeerIvanovich
      DeerIvanovich 24 May 2013 23: 14 New
      0
      Duc, that the Slavic runic script was long before the Glagolitic / Cyrillic alphabet, they were known in the 19th century and earlier.
      It was not by chance that I cited posts above Ganyush, as one of the famous researchers of the time of the runic script in Europe.
  16. Ermek
    Ermek 24 May 2013 22: 35 New
    +2
    from there.

    Golden latin

    Our hypothesis, which allows a stage of cultural cooperation within the framework of the Etruscan federation of multilingual peoples, including Roman, Celtic, Greek, Slavic, Germanic, Baltic, Ugro-Finnish and Turkic tribes, is supported by etymological analysis. The Federation of city-states of Etruria was one of the first multi-ethnic formations of the Ancient World. And in Southern Europe, in all cases, the first. Within this state union there was an interdependent cohabitation of multilingual societies, united by general norms of state hostel and common writing. Adapting to phonologically different languages, it has developed into several varieties, which should be considered natural: the letter systems of Europe, emerging from the classical Roman alphabet, differ to a large extent. The same has the right to say about scripts descended from Aramaic, Greek, Arabic alphabets.
    Etruscan writing received international distribution, without going beyond the natural borders of the Apennine Peninsula. Latin graphics 7-6 century BC, in fact, was one of several varieties of the Etruscan alphabet: the First Romans were part of the population of Etruria. Their city-state Lati (Latin> Latina) eventually gives way to the center of the small city of Roma, founded by the Etruscans 2775 years ago. "Latins" will call themselves novels, i.e. the Romans. And Latin will lead the list of Romance (Roman) languages.
    But before Rome became Rome, the Latins still did not rise above their fellow citizens by federation. Actively interacting, they were enriched by the spiritual, material, lexical values ​​of Etruscan civilization and ahead of the development of their conservative neighbors. Latins were the first in Europe to use iron weapons, while the rest of Etruria cost bronze. Latia was growing ideologically. Her separatism was manifested in the creation of one amazing palindrome. The form of self-identification was the division of the country's territory into “their lands” (LATI) and strangers (ITAL). All that is not “Latia” is “Italy”, i.e. the rest of Etruria and other foreign land. Self-centeredness, nourishing the ethnic consciousness of the First-Roman Latins, at the height of its evolution was expressed by the idea of ​​a world state. Crushing the cities of the weakened federation with fire and iron, the husband of Rome erected the first superpower on its ruins. With the conquest of Etruria, the iron cohorts of Rome pushed the borders of "Italy" ("foreign countries") to the northern seas and islands of Britain.
    Part of the population of Etruria was exterminated, the other, assimilating, became a component of the multi-ethnic population of Rome and the provinces subordinate to it, but most, it must be thought, were forced out of the Alps, the Balkans, the north and east of Europe - to the Volga.
    [Investigating the names of foreign countries and ethnonyms in the mentioned course (“turned the emblem of their country”), we must remember that the names were “turned over” not only by the palindrome, but also in other ways - umlaut (Lat (y) / Let (i) ) and affix. The ancestors of the Balts could carry away one such pair - which became the basis of their ethnonyms. ]

    This book was supposed to appear in the late 70s. The reason for being late for twenty years was "Az and I", released in 1975 ...
    End of quote.

    This is to the fact that even then it was possible to destroy the myth of backward Russia, into which writing was allegedly brought from outside. It is clear that this myth was actively imposed by someone - not for you to tell about it. It is amazing that this myth is still supported, it is actively celebrated by people who fiercely hate those who brought this myth. Where is the logic?
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  17. lexe
    lexe 24 May 2013 23: 19 New
    0
    Well, all right.) Hypothetically, the Second World War will come out tomorrow and send us all n .. in Old Slavic.) Of course, the people will be incomprehensible for the Az-Buk-Vedi The Second World War blurted out? Howl in Russia will be retrained because we will begin. (I recall Ukraine and I’m laughing). In order papers (for an hour, it’s also visible) there will be chaos. And everyone will be against everyone. Our non-titular peoples will finally fall into a stupor. They will think that the Russian people are completely crazy - the convulsions are dying and they will stab us in the back (so as not to be tormented). And then, as in the film "And here we have GUESTS" -YES by the crowd and from all directions, to "protect" the Russian population.
    Whether we are now debating about the language? —We will turn everything first and then as a bunker we will: az-buki-lead-I do not mind. Now we can not split up our long-suffering people for any reason.