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Putin recommended improving Be-200

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On Wednesday, Russian President Vladimir Putin held a meeting with staff and students of the Southern Federal University, at which among other topics were discussed issues of scientific work. The university is actively engaged not only in teaching students, but also in various scientific and technical issues. For example, the Research and Design Bureau of modeling and control systems of the Southern Federal University is now employed in one of the most famous projects of recent years. According to the director of the Scientific Design Bureau O. Spiridonov, his organization is currently involved in designing a new water intake control system for the Be-200 aircraft.


The Be-200 and Be-200ES aircraft are already being mass-produced and are being operated in the relevant units of the Ministry of Emergency Situations. The most famous sphere of their application is fire fighting. In a fire configuration, this amphibian can carry up to 12 tons of water and dump them into the fire region in a few seconds. Water tanks for the Be-200 aircraft can be filled both on the ground, with the help of appropriate equipment, and when planing on the surface of the water. In this case, the amphibious aircraft independently collects the required amount of water, after which it can take off and go to the fire site. The practice of recent years has shown how comfortable amphibious fire-fighting aircraft, which do not need special equipment for water recruitment, located on the airfields.

However, apparently, some systems of the Be-200 aircraft are not sufficiently developed and therefore require changes, and these flaws are known, as they say, at the very top. Learning about the work of the Scientific Design Bureau of modeling and control systems, President Putin recommended to think over the mechanisms of protection against the involuntary opening of the water intake device. According to him, this is a trifle, but a trifle is specific. And he knows what he is talking about. As for the rest of the features of an amphibious aircraft, the president called the Be-200 not just the best, but unique, since there are no other machines of the same purpose in the world with similar characteristics.

Naturally, the format of the event did not allow to elaborate on the problems with the water intake system. However, even in such a form, statements by the president can be a good reason for reflection or even political speculation. In the context of the proposal to protect against the involuntary opening of the intake devices, the events of 2010 of the year were immediately recalled. Then V. Putin, while still prime minister, took part in extinguishing a fire in the Ryazan region. During this flight, he, following the recommendations of the pilots, managed the water intake and discharge system. Perhaps it was then that Putin got information about some features of the intake system, which are now proposed to be corrected.



However, the technical details of the problem remain unknown. The scarcity of publicized information allows only to speculate and try to determine its causes and consequences. Nevertheless, with a certain confidence we can already speak about the serious nature of the existing shortcomings. It is unlikely that minor and not having serious consequences technical problems will attract the attention of the Prime Minister or even the President. At the same time, questions are raised by the fact that such a serious (possibly) issue has not yet been resolved without a "pointer from above."

Nevertheless, the current situation with the intake device leaves rather a positive impression. It shows that sometimes the authorities are interested not only in the main issues of the aircraft industry, but also in technical details, which, with a corresponding development of events, can have an impact on the processes of a larger scale. However, these processes can be seen and, as they say, work on the rating - the creation of the necessary political image in the eyes of the audience. And yet, regardless of the specific prerequisites, the proposal to correct the unobtrusive design flaws are still useful for the aircraft industry.

It should be noted that in the context of the development of the Be-200 aircraft at the last meeting with the staff and students of the SFU, another interesting one was mentioned news. According to O. Spiridonov, TANTK them. Gm Beriev is now going to begin designing a modification of the amphibious aircraft Be-200, designed specifically for the Ministry of Defense. The design bureau of modeling and control systems will also take part in its creation. For obvious reasons, the details of the appearance of this aircraft has not yet been published.






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  1. politruk419
    politruk419 24 May 2013 07: 26 New
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    I believe they will be ordering a base patrol aircraft based on the B-200 and its anti-submarine version for the Russian Ministry of Defense. In my opinion, this is an ideal platform for such vehicles. At least, the anti-submarine theme is traditional for the Beriev Design Bureau. Recall at least B-12.
    Well, this is like an unqualified opinion of a submariner. And what will our aviators say?
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 24 May 2013 08: 12 New
      +5
      Quote: politruk419
      Recall at least B-12.

      Only Be-12. wink
      1. Ataman
        Ataman 24 May 2013 14: 27 New
        +5
        I apologize for going to the beginning of the comments, but below is another scolding on the activities of Vladimir Putin. Let's try to find out public opinion. Who positively assesses the activities of Putin as president of Russia, please click "+". Who is negative, please click "-".
        Thank you for your vote!
        PS
        I reject the accusations that I want to wind up (or lower) my rating in advance. I didn’t give a damn about him.
        1. VAF
          VAF 24 May 2013 14: 32 New
          +5
          Quote: Ataman
          Who positively assesses the activities of Putin as president of Russia, please click "+". Who is negative, please click "-".
          Thank you for your vote!


          Can I write openly right away? And then it’s lower .... already the “FSB” “om” to frighten “ardent" fans "begin and .." black "craters .." for dissent "!

          I am AGAIN, i.e. MINUS! soldier
          1. baltika-18
            baltika-18 24 May 2013 14: 57 New
            +8
            Quote: vaf
            I am AGAIN, i.e. MINUS!

            I join. I have the honor. soldier
            1. Ataman
              Ataman 24 May 2013 15: 19 New
              +1
              Thank you, comrade officers! soldier
              But if you write your opinion openly, I would like to know the reason. Why is your opinion of Putin negative or positive?
              1. Atrix
                Atrix 24 May 2013 15: 35 New
                +9
                Quote: Ataman
                But if you write your opinion openly, I would like to know the reason. Why is your opinion of Putin negative or positive?

                I can express my opinion. So one cannot definitely say + or - There are advantages to preserving the country within its current borders, improving the standard of living of citizens (although not super, but still there) taking control of the country's natural resources. And now, the minuses, the overblown office of officials, all decisions without Putin aren’t accepted (that boss is bad if production doesn’t work without him), corruption is terrible (no one is fighting it systematically), there is no single law for everyone (if there is money you can buy it off, the police are sold to those who have money and stand on their side, etc.), natural resources, although under state control, are stupidly sold raw when it is more profitable to sell in the final product. In general, there are enough pros and cons. But as for me, the main problem is corruption and there is no national idea in the country, and since there is no idea, the country simply flows along with the flow. No, as before, you need to be the first to fly into space and the whole country is working on this idea, you need to build advanced science and everyone is working on this idea. The state does not have a national idea; we can say that there is no state.
                1. Ataman
                  Ataman 24 May 2013 16: 01 New
                  +9
                  I generally agree with your pluses and minuses. That
                  Quote: Atrix
                  the main problem is corruption
                  also. But what does Putin have to do with it? I know in practice that in Russia theft among officials is a kind of sport "Further, bigger, stronger." Under them sit the deputies and wait for the bosses to be seated to stand in their place and take the theft to a new level! And beneath them, small fry sit and wait in the wings! We see all this, damn it, and we are silent! We are waiting for Kolokoltsev to get to them. Only courage is enough to scold Putin on forums that he has spread corruption!
                  I apologize for the emotions.
                  1. VAF
                    VAF 24 May 2013 16: 10 New
                    +4
                    Quote: Ataman
                    We see all this, damn it, and we are silent!


                    Not all ... two half-cones, the veteran is already ... sitting!

                    Quote: Ataman
                    We are waiting for Kolokoltsev to get to them.


                    The Law is the Law, though it is like a drawbar. To whom and where it is necessary to turn and .. what needs to happen! wassat

                    so your emotions are understandable, but .... there is no other way as a “force" change, but does anyone need it? No, to me first!
                    So it remains only ... on the forums .. "let off steam", and .... "the drover is sleeping. But the caravan is coming"! recourse
                  2. Atrix
                    Atrix 24 May 2013 16: 15 New
                    +7
                    Quote: Ataman
                    But what does Putin have to do with it? I know in practice that in Russia theft among officials is a kind of sport "Further, bigger, stronger." Under them sit the deputies and wait for the bosses to be seated to stand in their place and take the theft to a new level! And beneath them, small fry sit and wait in the wings! We see all this, damn it, and we are silent! We are waiting for Kolokoltsev to get to them. Only courage is enough to scold Putin on forums that he has spread corruption!
                    I apologize for the emotions.

                    I can only answer one thing, who now runs the country? Putin appoints ministers, ministers appoint their deputies, etc. Who can drive tough laws? Also, Putin and the Duma will accept these laws or dissolve it. Putin has so much power that other presidents have never dreamed of. Why are we silent? Yes, just for one reason, as I wrote above, the laws do not work, so you try to go out and scream that the Governor or Mayor is stealing. I think you will quickly reassure. And the valiant police will ascribe to you that you yourself stole something and go to sit for the truth. There is no one law for all.
                    And of course, people have the courage to only write on the forum and then not everyone. If you go out on the street you will immediately be called "liberals", "scum," "American bedding," etc. We don’t have any shades as one person once wrote here: “Or are you dreaming against us, there is no third
                  3. starper
                    starper 22 February 2016 09: 23 New
                    -1
                    How, moreover, the punitive apparatus is subordinate to the president, just give the go-ahead, and where will it all be? So after all, no, there is no team, and why, I think over time, we’ll find out that wat wouldn’t be too late.
                2. aksakal
                  aksakal 24 May 2013 19: 01 New
                  +5
                  Quote: Atrix
                  But as for me, the main problem is corruption and there is no national idea in the country, and since there is no idea, the country simply flows along with the flow. No, as before, you need to be the first to fly into space and the whole country is working on this idea, you need to build advanced science and everyone is working on this idea. The state does not have a national idea; we can say that there is no state.
                  - Dear, the rush is needed when catching unpleasant insects.
                  You have already noticed that in aviation and in the fleet, the unifying structures -OSK and UAC are created. And now these structures are facing SUPER TASKS (not super tasks for the whole society as a whole, but local SUPER TASKS for this industry). This is a super-carrier - recently discussed, these are super-planes - PAK FA (created with varying success) and PAK DA (planned). There are still a number of complex tasks in the aviation industry, if they can do it or not, it's another question. What is all this for? I can write nice and sweet lines to you, I could give you a present for the sake of your plus sign, write "all this is thought up in order to cut even more dough with this sauce!" But I won’t do this, it’s not part of my plans, I will voice my opinion purely.
                  A super-task is a task that requires over-exertion of one’s forces, the full mobilization of all one’s resources. In this case, I assume that the newly created structures are being tested for their ability to cope with complex tasks.
                  I would set the super task in the field of information technology. But there are scattered companies and research institutes in this area, there is no single powerful consolidating and coordinating structure, there is no one to set the super task of. The same goes for corruption - there are separate scattered law enforcement structures, and therefore the same thing. An analogue of the NKVD is needed here. I am sure that they are already working on the creation of all this. Well, in a number of industries consolidating structures will be created (in particular, in the space industry) and they will all be just the same TESTED by their profile super tasks.
                  AND ONLY AFTER THIS, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT A SOME SUPERVISION FOR THE WHOLE SOCIETY! It is foolish to set a super task for the whole society, without having tested and tested before it all subsystems of the society with regard to workability. Already passed the “Catch up and overtake”, without checking and not preparing before this all industries and institutions to complete the task.
                  According to my observations, Putin is not doing anything, in the most thorough manner, having not previously prepared all that is necessary for success. So all this is a national idea, a super-task on the scale of the whole society - all this is ahead and not soon.
                  Once again, I'm sorry that I didn’t write that “the super-bearer and super PAK YES are needed for the next cut,” I know how much it would please you and what kind of balm it is for your soul, but here it is. I just don’t want to - I’m not a "balsamist"
                  1. VAF
                    VAF 24 May 2013 23: 15 New
                    +3
                    Quote: aksakal
                    According to my observations, Putin is not doing anything, in the most thorough manner, having not previously prepared all that is necessary for success. So all this is a national idea, a super-task on the scale of the whole society - all this is ahead and not soon.


                    Dear Aksakal, I agree with many, +! But .... how much more time is needed to .... "prepare all this"?
                    Another 20.30 or 50 years?
                    Doesn’t resemble the way to build a bright future based on the ideas of communism?
                    So here ..ono come?

                    And what exactly has been done to stop corruption, nepotism, theft, cuts such as “on-on” and “skolkovo”, “privatization”, etc. etc.???
                    1. aksakal
                      aksakal 25 May 2013 12: 04 New
                      +2
                      Quote: vaf
                      Doesn’t resemble the way to build a bright future based on the ideas of communism?
                      So here ..ono come?

                      And what exactly has been done to stop corruption, nepotism, theft, cuts such as “on-on” and “skolkovo”, “privatization”, etc. etc.???

                      - VAF, to be honest, I’ve already worn out. But we must remember that a huge social society has monstrous inertia. Even the promotion of such a convenient thing, the advantages of which are simply obvious and do not require any evidence, such as mobile communications and the Internet, has taken decades in society! Check on Russia, but on the history of any state! And this is according to the technologies people need, when there is simply no practicality of resistance to implementation. And with reforms, you must add the resistance of many who were quite satisfied with the old pre-reform position. And the number of those who resist can be calculated not by units at all, it can be whole sections of the population. "And what exactly has been done to stop corruption, nepotism, theft, cuts such as “on-on” and “skolkovo”, “privatization”, etc. etc.???"- a lot of criminal cases - it does not take a week that Markin would not have announced the initiation of a case against someone. And there are no tiny hard workers, there are bumps for which Surkov himself considers it necessary to intercede. But you can’t fix cases with criminal cases alone. Laws - You can’t have accounts for officials abroad. Not enough?
                  2. starper
                    starper 22 February 2016 09: 42 New
                    0
                    Sorry, but 16 years, isn’t it too much to create a “structure similar to the NKVD?” The Communists created the industry during this time! But they started in much worse conditions.
              2. baltika-18
                baltika-18 24 May 2013 15: 36 New
                +5
                Quote: Ataman
                Why is your opinion about Putin negative or positive?

                There will be no review of the results of privatization.
                His credo is a market economy and capitalism. My credo is socialism with an acceptable 30% content in the general system of the private sector. The differences are fundamental. Against this background, everything else is a trifle.
              3. Ruslan67
                Ruslan67 24 May 2013 15: 46 New
                +3
                Quote: Ataman
                if you write your opinion openly, I would like to know the reason.

                I put + but at the same time I would like to put a minus. Although I voted for it, half measures are annoying; reluctance to annoy the West in some matters and most importantly, the quality that has always been positive - not to give up your current performance, it looks like if you rape a child with a fatal outcome consider that the criminal in school looked after flowers in the classroom hi
              4. VAF
                VAF 24 May 2013 15: 59 New
                +4
                Quote: Ataman
                Why is your opinion about Putin negative or positive?


                The question is a little incorrectly posed! Not a negative opinion about Putin, although there are claims to this, but here they are not appropriate, because he was selected in fact by a majority vote (of those who still believe in fairy tales about honest choices and went to vote). but this is all controversy ... a fact is a fact - the lawfully elected President of the Country.

                But his INABILITY to pick up really PROFESSIONALS in their field. which should be in all areas of science and production is the first.

                Well, the second one is really a RIDDLE for me. he sees the main "enemy" in the "life of his circle" precisely in the representatives of small and medium-sized businesses, which is why he or those whom he appointed and SHOULD everything and everything in our country, starting with the Central Bank (which does not provide money for all goods that produced) as a result of which exaggerated inflation, uncontrolled increase in tariffs of state and mono-corporations and natural monopolies, etc. etc.
                1. Ruslan67
                  Ruslan67 24 May 2013 16: 03 New
                  +2
                  Quote: vaf
                  But his INABILITY to pick up really PROFESSIONALS in their field. which should be in all areas of science and production is the first.

                  Sergei hi The question is rhetorical, of course, but where to get these pros, and still standing in the same position with you? what
                  1. VAF
                    VAF 24 May 2013 16: 12 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Ruslan67
                    The question is rhetorical, of course, but where to get these pros, and still standing in the same position with you?


                    Ruslan, dear ... yes, a car and two, no three trolleys .. even in your very respected city of me, St. Petersburg! +! drinks
                    1. Ruslan67
                      Ruslan67 24 May 2013 16: 15 New
                      +5
                      Quote: vaf
                      ..a wagon and two, no three trolleys..even in your very respected city

                      Do you need to remind the career path system in our country or do you know it yourself? wassat drinks
                      1. VAF
                        VAF 24 May 2013 17: 02 New
                        +4
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        Do you need to remind the career path system in our country or do you know it yourself?


                        No, thanks! lol

                        I’m the same when I start to “run over” I say ... "we all dream of becoming generals, although we get married .. at the waitresses" wassat

                        This is exaggerated understandable. but close to the truth ... wassat

                        Well, about the "exclamations" in the "right" place and at the "right" time .. type .. "you just tell me, so we guys from Nizhny Tagil .. we'll drive up" I won’t say anything .... lol
                      2. Ruslan67
                        Ruslan67 24 May 2013 17: 05 New
                        +4
                        Quote: vaf
                        you just tell me, so we guys from Nizhny Tagil ..

                        According to Vysotsky, with shovels and pitchforks, we’ll give a hint and correct the defect wassat
                2. Ataman
                  Ataman 24 May 2013 16: 20 New
                  +5
                  Quote: Ruslan67
                  INABILITY TO CHOOSE REALLY PROFESSIONALS

                  I agree that for so many years I could have put together a team in a more professional way.
                  Quote: Ruslan67
                  but where to get these pros and still standing in the same position with you?

                  One Shoigu on all the ministries can not be drunk. what
                  1. Ruslan67
                    Ruslan67 24 May 2013 16: 34 New
                    +7
                    Quote: Ataman
                    One Shoigu on all the ministries can not be drunk.

                    ALL! sailed !!! used to cut the budget and now the minister what wassat
            2. a
              a 24 May 2013 17: 22 New
              +8
              when Putin came to power, I was glad of his first steps. the country began to slowly recover.
              but to be honest, already in the year 2007 probably I began to look at him critically, during the bread-and-butter years, when oil was constantly growing in price, he profiled. the country was unable to create an effective economy. and his clowning with transplant seats with Medvedev finally determined me as his political opponents.
              his new arrival in the Kremlin was marked by tightening the screws in the public life of the country. and this is a shame for the country. our country has turned into a police state with the omnipotence of political police and special services. At the same time, the gap between the rich and the poor continues to grow in society. But Putin is not doing anything to somehow fix this. Previously, when the Western media called him a killer, it didn’t cause any negative emotions in relation to GDP. and now I see, he's a real killer. and his consciousness was still something killer. and style. and now this man is disgusting to me. all his affairs are aimed at maintaining power and economic leverage by his Petersburg clan. nothing is essentially being done for the country. his fellow clanmen can afford to squander money of national wealth, for tens of millions, buying up legionnaires for their sports toy clubs.
              and what is upset? the budget is scarce, it didn’t get off the oil needle, the economy is raw, industry, if it develops, is at a terrible pace. the oligarchs of his clan continue to cash in on national treasures. in fact, he is an ordinary ruler of a banana republic.
            3. cherkas.oe
              cherkas.oe 24 May 2013 18: 46 New
              +1
              Quote: Ataman
              negative or positive?

              P ... Ms, our Putin has a lot, but there are few real cases, we go with the flow like drm from the sewers, and time flies; illiterate and uncultured children grow up, the industry has collapsed to the ground (flashlights and lighters, irons, washing machines and vacuum cleaners, all electric power tools and even Chinese condoms. Will you continue to list or enough ?, otherwise the listing of "successes" will take the length of the whole branch. Are you morons not knowing how to look around and analyze, you can compost your brains here.
            4. Joker
              Joker 24 May 2013 23: 20 New
              -1
              But if you write your opinion openly, I would like to know the reason. Why is your opinion of Putin negative or positive?

              I will not put anything, because I value Putin as not a fish or meat, there are positive moments, there are negative ones.
            5. starper
              starper 22 February 2016 09: 06 New
              0
              Wow, can I openly express my opinion for the first time? For foreign policy, plus, for domestic, minus. And what answer is more important for you, decide for yourself. And thanks .PS. I argue. From the outside, everything is clear, the revival of authority, the annexation of Crimea, help to Syria ... But inside, as there was a mess, it remained, only beautiful and even correct words, but only words ... Thanks again.
        2. evgenii67
          evgenii67 24 May 2013 17: 52 New
          +5
          Hello everyone!
          Quote: Ataman
          Who positively assesses the activities of Putin as president of Russia, please click "+". Who is negative, please click "-"

          - A lot of pathos, window dressing ....
          - A lot of talk about the fight against corruption (and indeed a lot of talk and promises, it’s getting sickening), but in reality only those who have a “different” point of view on the state of affairs are where Serdyukov and Khodorkovsky are (this question does not require an answer) ...
          - And if tomorrow oil is $ 40, will you also say that Putin is handsome?
          - Not everything depends on the President, but also on those who surround him (not the angels)
          - If you don’t watch TV, you won’t know that life has improved (not my statements, but I almost completely agree)!
          There is something positive in him, for example, he is an athlete smile but seriously it’s scary to imagine (but it is) that at the moment it’s better that he’s not in power anyway, but anyway "-" it’s useful criticism, although who I am to criticize is an ordinary law-abiding citizen of the Russian Federation!
      2. lelikas
        lelikas 24 May 2013 20: 14 New
        +4
        Quote: Ataman
        learn public opinion

        I didn’t put anything, but about the attitude -

        The investigator of the prosecutor's office reports to the president:
        - Vasilyeva pointed at Serdyukov, Serdyukov at Chubais, Chubais at Surkov, Surkov at Medvedev, Medvedev at ...
        - Enough ... - interrupts Vladimir Vladimirovich - and it is already quite obvious that no one is to blame for anything ...
      3. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 24 May 2013 20: 38 New
        +1
        Quote: Ataman
        I apologize for going to the beginning of the comments, but below is another scolding on the activities of Vladimir Putin.

        And he also arranged srach at the beginning of the comments, a hammer. good
        1. Ataman
          Ataman 25 May 2013 15: 09 New
          +1
          Quote: Vladimirets
          And he also arranged srach at the beginning of the comments, a hammer.

          Not true! This is not srach, but quite healthy thoughts and opinions! Compare what is written above with what is written below.
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  2. igor36
    igor36 24 May 2013 08: 14 New
    +1
    Quote: politruk419
    I believe they will be ordering a base patrol aircraft based on the B-200 and its anti-submarine version for the Russian Ministry of Defense. In my opinion, this is an ideal platform for such vehicles. At least, the anti-submarine theme is traditional for the Beriev Design Bureau. Recall at least B-12.
    Well, this is like an unqualified opinion of a submariner. And what will our aviators say?

    The correct opinion. But most likely it will already be a new aircraft outwardly similar to the Be-200 because the set of requirements will differ significantly.
  3. Chicot 1
    Chicot 1 24 May 2013 11: 10 New
    +5
    Quote: politruk419
    I believe they will be ordering a base patrol aircraft based on the B-200 and its anti-submarine version for the Russian Ministry of Defense. In my opinion, this is an ideal platform for such vehicles. At least, the anti-submarine theme is traditional for the Beriev Design Bureau. Recall at least B-12.
    Well, this is like an unqualified opinion of a submariner. And what will our aviators say?

    Of course, I am not a professional aviator, but in my humble opinion, the A-40 (in essence the Be-200 "big brother") will be a more optimal platform for a patrol aircraft. In general, it was originally developed precisely as a military flying boat ...
    And also with pleasure I will listen to the opinion of experts on this issue ...

    A-40 Albatross
    1. aksakal
      aksakal 24 May 2013 11: 14 New
      +3
      Quote: Chicot 1
      Certainly not a professional aviator, but in my humble opinion, the A-40 (in essence the Be-200 "big brother") would be a more optimal platform for a patrol aircraft. In general, it was originally developed precisely as a military flying boat ...

      - it feels like it's just a hefty airplane, much larger than the Be-200. Are there any data or sizes? To compare with the Be-200 ...
      1. Chicot 1
        Chicot 1 24 May 2013 13: 52 New
        +2
        If you do not go into technical and structural details and nuances, then the Be-200 is essentially a smaller version of the A-40 ...
        1. Chicot 1
          Chicot 1 24 May 2013 20: 04 New
          +1
          Be-200 (device) ...
      2. self-propelled
        self-propelled 24 May 2013 15: 43 New
        +5
        Beriev A-40 "Albatross"
        Wingspan, m 42.50
        Length of aircraft, m 45.70
        Aircraft Height, m ​​11.07
        Wing area, m2 200.00
        Weight, kg
        empty 44000 aircraft
        normal takeoff 86000
        maximum takeoff 90000
        Domestic fuel, kg 35000
        engine's type
        main 2 DTRD PNPP Aircraft engine D-30ТКПВ +
        auxiliary 2 turbojet engine Klimov RD-60K
        Thrust, kN
        main 2 x 117.68
        auxiliary 2 x 24.52
        Maximum speed, km / h 800
        Cruising speed, km / h 720
        Practical range, km
        maximum 5500
        with maximum load 4000
        Duration of patrolling, h 12
        Practical ceiling, m 13000
        Crew, people 4


    2. VAF
      VAF 24 May 2013 11: 56 New
      +4
      Quote: Chicot 1
      but in my humble opinion, the A-40 will be a more optimal platform for a patrol aircraft (in fact, the Be-200 "big brother").


      Basil, +! You're right, but ... FORGET A-40 (42) ... it won’t!

      And the Be-200 goes in the Taganrog ... "with such a ... creak" that .... crying
      1. Chicot 1
        Chicot 1 24 May 2013 12: 28 New
        +3
        Good day, Sergey!

        Quote: vaf
        FORGET ABOUT A-40 (42) ... will not!

        I understand that on the “Albatross” they put up a big and bold cross. But somehow I don’t want to forget!

        Quote: vaf
        And the Be-200 goes in the Taganrog ... "with such a ... creak"

        So can deign to grease the highest? .. Suddenly ...
        1. VAF
          VAF 24 May 2013 14: 04 New
          +3
          Quote: Chicot 1
          So can deign to grease the highest? .. Suddenly ...


          Basil, down there Sashka wrote a quote ... "give up hope everyone entering here."

          Here is an article in the light of "fresh" speeches .. "the new Minister of Finance" .... read and ... 2you will understand everything ... you see everything yourself " crying

          An article by Ivan Safronov “The state armament program remains for the long-term”:
          On May 22, 2013, Russian Finance Minister Anton Siluanov announced that the Ministry of Finance and the Ministry of Defense were discussing the possibility of transferring part of the costs of the State Armaments Program 2011-2020 (GPV-2020) for a period of two to four years.

          The military department argues that if such a decision is made, serial purchases of new models of equipment will begin later.

          Some of them can be transferred already to the new State program for 2016-2025.

          These are just short “excerpts”, and so ... there are a lot of “interesting” things about everything and about Boreas, ash, masalets. Machine guns, etc.

          And you "lit up" here fellow Be-200
          1. Chicot 1
            Chicot 1 24 May 2013 14: 33 New
            +3
            Quote: vaf
            down there, Sashka wrote a quote ... "give up hope everyone entering here"

            At the level of cold reason, I understood this a long time ago ... But now ... Hope is still warming. After all, she is a tenacious infection ...

            Quote: vaf
            Here is an article in the light of "fresh" speeches .. "the new Minister of Finance" .... read and ... 2you will understand everything ... you see everything yourself "

            Come across - be sure to check out ...
            And I recently read an article about the unenviable position of the Tu-334. “Arguments of the week”, No. 18 (300) of May 16, 2013, p. 5; "Tu-334 - the year near the wall", Vladimir Leonov ...

            Quote: vaf
            And you "lit up" here fellow Be-200

            It’s not us who “divorced” it, this is the president “recommended” ... wink
            1. VAF
              VAF 24 May 2013 14: 53 New
              +1
              Quote: Chicot 1
              Still, hope is warming. After all, she is a tenacious infection ...


              Then it’s probably worthwhile to carefully read yesterday yesterday the article by A. Sitnov .. "They destroyed Sarah. But they didn’t create a new one," but just keep that in mind. that the author there is still a lot .. "smooths." and this ... "not a person from the kitchen or the street who thinks he is a strategist" (this is after all his favorite tomato from Putinoids. After all, there are no other arguments " wink

              There are articles on the Tu-334 and ... harder!

              Quote: Chicot 1
              It’s not here that we “divorced”; it’s the president who “recommended”


              Here ... without words good lol
      2. Ustin
        Ustin 24 May 2013 17: 19 New
        +6
        I’m glad to hear you Veteran! As for the “buckets” on the Be 200, this problem really exists. Moreover, there is an abnormal operation of the limit switches. The device takes water in planing mode, the buckets are released, this is visible on the display. If the buckets are in normal landing on water released, and the indications removed the consequences can be very interesting. (I think you do not need to explain). But where does the GDP know firsthand, I’m lost in conjecture.
        1. VAF
          VAF 24 May 2013 18: 00 New
          -1
          Quote: Ustin
          As for the "buckets" on the Be 200, such a problem really exists.


          I welcome you categorically! So as far as I remember, this problem "arose" even during the first "tests from the water" and is still going on .. "with a creak".
          Well, how does he know .... after all, all sorts of speechwriters write. of which he has a lot .. noticed. that all his speeches at any meetings and the public, only on .. "pieces of paper."
          Here and here .. it was necessary to say something from the real, that would not say. what I came up with, please .. there is such a problem. Well, I read ... no more!
          1. Ustin
            Ustin 25 May 2013 16: 29 New
            0
            “there is such a problem. Well, I read ... no more!” - In this case, it seems that there were no “prompters” here.
  4. VAF
    VAF 24 May 2013 11: 49 New
    +5
    Quote: politruk419
    And what will our aviators say?


    The article was set by MINUS, but not to the author .. Cyril do not "upset"!

    All this is "noodles2 for the people ...." recommended .. said .... who ???? "

    "A reaper, a blacksmith and ... a player in the pipe!" wassat ... all in one bottle!

    Who watched HIS meeting with industrialists and entrepreneurs yesterday? Who else is incomprehensible ???!
    1. Mrtermit
      Mrtermit 24 May 2013 12: 39 New
      +3
      I watched, Deripasko was very worried) “so to speak” - now he’ll probably be his pseudonym) Well, damn it somehow didn’t work out, although they were getting ready, I think they didn’t expect a live broadcast, they asked for free resources as usual, or at least access to them, but already in front of the cameras)
      1. VAF
        VAF 24 May 2013 12: 45 New
        +7
        Quote: Mrtermit
        I looked, Deripasko was very worried) "so to speak" - now his pseudonym will probably be)


        Already not likely, but there is, in Moscow, "stuck" very quickly! And how not to worry, if at the previous forum, I went against the Great .... it became scary, so I was worried!

        But what about the statements of the banker Toskanov? It is evident that they didn’t warn that MYSELF should not be asked such vital and practical questions ... and ... the Great "floated"!

        In short, all the ROT ... got out completely ..... so the dissociation of the Lady, the stools and all from HIMSELF ... this is Nonsense ... all alone in one ... TEAM!
        1. djon3volta
          djon3volta 24 May 2013 12: 59 New
          0
          Quote: vaf
          And how not to worry, if at the previous forum, I went against the Great .... it became scary, so I was worried!

          but on the site it’s not scary against the Great to say anything, huh? smile am I right? if it weren’t for moderators, Putin probably would have been ... openly sent, and there would have been nothing to anyone, because you are all brave kids behind computers wink because they are sure that a black funnel will not come for you, so you can safely write almost everything that comes into your head.
          1. VAF
            VAF 24 May 2013 13: 04 New
            +5
            Quote: djon3volta
            but on the site it’s not scary against the Great to say anything, huh?


            I do not want to get in touch with you (you), but ..... Whoever is scared and to whom? Everyone already says to him, starting with Kudrin, that Mr. President is NOT rowing !!!
            All normal and ECONOMISTS, FINANCERS, INDUSTRIALS, well, then the point!

            Quote: djon3volta
            because they are sure that a black funnel will not come for you, so you can safely write almost everything that comes into your head.


            It is only in your (your) sawdust head that something can "climb", but normal people (educated) have their own opinion, unlike ....
            okay .. leave off, I’m not contacting the "kindergarten" yet! am
          2. Sasha
            Sasha 24 May 2013 14: 05 New
            +1
            if it weren’t for moderators, Putin probably would have been ... sent openly, and there would have been nothing to anyone, because you are all brave children behind computers

            Badly mistaken. The FSB controls various forums.
            Keeps a hand on the pulse of SORM.
            1. Ataman
              Ataman 25 May 2013 18: 37 New
              +1
              SOPM extracts information from traffic about terrorism, about drug trafficking, weapons and explosive substances.
              Only semi-significant personalities and their contacts and contacts are globally controlled, but this is no longer SORM.
              Boys who abuse their power on their uniforms can sleep peacefully ... for now ... wink
    2. cherkas.oe
      cherkas.oe 24 May 2013 19: 01 New
      0
      Quote: vaf
      Who watched HIS meeting with industrialists and entrepreneurs yesterday? Who else is incomprehensible ???!

      Everything became clear to everyone finally Sergey (this is me about the sane).
      1. VAF
        VAF 24 May 2013 23: 24 New
        0
        Quote: cherkas.oe
        Everything became clear to everyone.


        Oleg, I even wrote it to a disc. As I had anticipated that something would happen.
        After all, the main idea of ​​this meeting was to convey to the President that this thoughtless tax increase leads nowhere. or rather ... into the abyss, but .... the answers are different. that struck, and completely killed!
        Today is not my own all day, although I have something to worry about, then there is something left ....!
        Already gathered with the peasants, coughing and grinding. as they say, yes ..... called .. sailed! + crying
    3. Joker
      Joker 25 May 2013 01: 36 New
      0
      Who watched HIS meeting with industrialists and entrepreneurs yesterday? Who else is incomprehensible ???!

      What are you talking about, Seryozha, you read the newspapers and rummage on the Internet, everyone praises Pu there for everything he said at the meeting, they say everything, then we’ll better live))) The most important thing for me is that privatization will be continued and accelerated. Most of all, I got angry when this brehlo told about VTB, not only did they privatize it completely, so would the shares be bought at primary prices, that is, on the cheap, the management agreed without pressure. You do not notice the trend that all major industries that are owned by the state and have recently been developing (for the state budget) are then privatized? How much money did they put in RUSNANO? And it is privatized. Here is a list of what is to be privatized, the list is not complete, but this is something that 100% is already known.
      TGK-5, Siberia Airlines, Arkhangelsk Trawl Fleet, Sovcomflot, ALROSA, Inter RAO, VTB, RUSNANO, Rosneft.

      How do you like this? Uryayayayayaya Putin will save us all !! Uryayayayaya !! Uryayayayayaya! Uryayayaya! What do you think uryakalki who buy all of the above? Probably some kind of business that created its own business from scratch? The heck of a two, buy those who are in the collapse of the Soviet Union profited, sure years after 5 for billionaires, we will overtake the United States in the light. All the same, no matter how swearing at the marsh, for those who predicted the revolution, but it will still be, otherwise it will be different, it seems our fate is so and it is not the politicians who are to blame on the people who are already patient, so that we are reaping the fruits of patience and we are waiting for a brighter future for the PU term 2, and then the successor will plant again. If I had a positive attitude towards him from the beginning, then every month my attitude towards him is getting worse and worse, we have already got these TOMORROW!
  5. Geisenberg
    Geisenberg 24 May 2013 17: 52 New
    0
    Quote: politruk419
    I believe they will be ordering a base patrol aircraft based on the B-200 and its anti-submarine version for the Russian Ministry of Defense. In my opinion, this is an ideal platform for such vehicles. At least, the anti-submarine theme is traditional for the Beriev Design Bureau. Recall at least B-12.


    A floating base with a tanker and a hangar can also be designed for such an aircraft; for a year it will be an anti-submarine complex of constant combat readiness.
  • Rus_87
    Rus_87 24 May 2013 07: 33 New
    12
    We must give Putin a ride and shoot on our BMP, BMD, you see, maybe something sensible will offer to increase the protection of the crew. But seriously, the news at the same time pleased and upset, as the article said, it’s good of course that the authorities are interested in the problems of aviation in general and of a particular aircraft in particular, it’s bad that again nothing is done in the country without GDP ...
    PS
    In Kazakhstan, by the way, by the way, nobody does anything without NAS ...
    1. Canep
      Canep 24 May 2013 08: 49 New
      +6
      Quote: Rus_87
      In Kazakhstan, by the way, by the way, nobody does anything without NAS ...

      This is bad. It is impossible for a country to depend on one person.
      1. Dr. Pilyulkin
        Dr. Pilyulkin 24 May 2013 10: 04 New
        +6
        Quote: Canep
        It is impossible for a country to depend on one person.

        But is it different in Russia? I don’t remember something ... Bad steering - the country is in ... OPE, good - and, it seems, the situation is better, you can live.
        1. aksakal
          aksakal 24 May 2013 11: 12 New
          +6
          Quote: Dr. Pilyulkin
          But is it different in Russia? I don’t remember something ... Bad steering - the country is in ... OPE, good - and, it seems, the situation is better, you can live
          - this is an ordinary sore of the so-called "undemocratic" countries - monarchies, autocracies and others. Good helmsman - the country lives, bad - the country falls.
          In democracy, there is supposedly a tradition of complying with laws and the separation of powers, and an allegedly elected helmsman can act only within the framework of the law and under conditions of a truncated government - without legislative and judicial powers, which, like democracy, do not obey the helmsman. laughing Therefore, supposedly they do not depend on the personality of steering democracy. Well, how are they independent? Hitler came to power purely democratically. laughing
          I agree, a certain decentralization of power that in Russia, that in Kazakhstan (even more in Kazakhstan) is needed, it is necessary to delegate a little power down. But build democracy? Does it make sense? Isn’t it easier to install such a powerful filter that a bad or weak, or treacherously-minded person simply could not become a steering? What would be simply impossible! That would be guaranteed up came a good helmsman. Is it really impossible to think over a filter and legally fix it?
    2. lilit.193
      lilit.193 24 May 2013 10: 51 New
      +7
      Quote: Rus_87
      We need to give Putin a ride and shoot on our BMP, BMD, you see, maybe something sensible will offer

      Yeah! He already drove on the Kalina. And what, the quality of our cars has improved so cool right? wassat wassat wassat wassat wassat
      1. VAF
        VAF 24 May 2013 11: 53 New
        +1
        Quote: lilit.193
        He already drove on the Kalina.


        Yes ... +! that "ride" was SOMETHING! Well, now ... "relay transmission" ..... WHO and WHO advertises ????? Generally .... there are no words .. one letter !!!

        1. VAF
          VAF 24 May 2013 12: 07 New
          +3
          Quote: vaf
          Generally .... there are no words .. one letter !!!


          Faithful "fans" do not sleep and on guard ????? Already with the minuses ..... Forward the faithful .... putinoids "! wassat
          1. sashka
            sashka 24 May 2013 12: 57 New
            0
            Quote: vaf
            Faithful "fans" do not sleep and on guard ????? Already with the minuses ..... Forward the faithful .... putinoids "! Wassat

            Yes, we are here. Bdim ..))). If Lada viburnum is an example of modernization and innovation. It's getting scary.
            1. VAF
              VAF 24 May 2013 13: 00 New
              +2
              Quote: Sasha
              Yes, we are here. We are watching.


              Sasha, my heart attack wasn’t enough ... at least put in quotes wassat

              Soon there will be ... cleaners .. control!
          2. lilit.193
            lilit.193 24 May 2013 12: 59 New
            -4
            Quote: vaf
            Faithful "fans" do not sleep and on guard ????? Already with the minuses ..... Forward the faithful .... putinoids "!

            Putin and his "carriages"
            1. Sylvester
              Sylvester 24 May 2013 14: 01 New
              +8
              Now other idols and fans. lol
              Dear idols.
              1. a
                a 24 May 2013 14: 20 New
                +3
                and who is to blame that the country has no one else to be proud of?
                1. VAF
                  VAF 24 May 2013 14: 24 New
                  +5
                  Quote: uno
                  and who is to blame that the country has no one else to be proud of?


                  And you (you) guess once? wink That's right ... only our RUSSIAN PEOPLE, because .. "every people deserves to have that government and leader, which9 which0 this people then and .." has "! soldier
                  1. a
                    a 24 May 2013 21: 09 New
                    0
                    why should i guess. I already know
          3. djon3volta
            djon3volta 24 May 2013 13: 04 New
            -6
            Quote: vaf
            Forward faithful .... putinoidy "!

            oh, zdarova patriot of america, faithful obamazoid navalsoid in one bottle laughing
            1. baltika-18
              baltika-18 24 May 2013 15: 57 New
              0
              Quote: djon3volta
              oh, zdarova patriot of america, faithful obamazoid navalsoid in one bottle

              Umboys Manam ...... Eugene in his repertoire.
              By the way, what is Umboy Manam?
              1. baltika-18
                baltika-18 24 May 2013 16: 37 New
                +2
                Quote: baltika-18
                By the way, what is Umboy Manam?

                Oh, I found ......
                Zhenya, what side did you stick to the Papuans?
        2. lilit.193
          lilit.193 24 May 2013 12: 56 New
          +3
          Quote: vaf
          Yes ... +! that "ride" was SOMETHING! Well, now ... "relay transmission" ..... WHO and WHO advertises ????? Generally .... there are no words .. one letter !!!

          Yeah! Then such an anecdote went, they asked:
          -Do you know which car is the most expensive?
          -What?
          - "Lada-Kalina-Sport".
          -Why?
          -A tow truck and three jeeps with guards come to it in the kit! wink
          1. VAF
            VAF 24 May 2013 13: 12 New
            +4
            Quote: lilit.193
            And to her comes a tow truck and three jeeps with security!


            ++++ !!! But I forgot to add to the kit another ... two spare..calyns! wassat
            the third photo, which on the trailer ... did not fit lol

          2. VAF
            VAF 24 May 2013 13: 16 New
            +1
            Quote: lilit.193
            - "Lada-Kalina-Sport"


            And yet .. to the “catch-up” ... I really like this “explanation” good

            1. lilit.193
              lilit.193 24 May 2013 13: 36 New
              -2
              Quote: vaf
              I really like this "explanation"

              And this is also about the "viburnum." laughing There is no smoke without fire. wink
              1. cherkas.oe
                cherkas.oe 24 May 2013 19: 08 New
                0
                Quote: lilit.193
                And this is also about the "viburnum." laughing There is no smoke without fire. wink


                Yes, this is not the worst thing, let VV give birth to a lad with a young girl, everyone has the right to continue the clan.
                1. lilit.193
                  lilit.193 24 May 2013 20: 32 New
                  +1
                  Quote: cherkas.oe
                  Yes, this is not the worst thing, let VV give birth to a lad with a young girl, everyone has the right to continue the clan.

                  Well yes! He still did not have enough of his "boy" to endure in the presidents! wassat
                  1. cherkas.oe
                    cherkas.oe 24 May 2013 23: 15 New
                    +1
                    Quote: lilit.193
                    endure his "lad" in presidents!

                    Children are always better than parents, so don't be afraid of Madame. lol
      2. Rus_87
        Rus_87 24 May 2013 12: 23 New
        +3
        In general, it has improved dramatically, I won’t say that it’s directly due to GDP, but Kalina-2 appeared, read on Auto.mail.ru, otherwise all our cars are used to hauling!
        1. VAF
          VAF 24 May 2013 12: 52 New
          +2
          Quote: Rus_87
          Actually, it has improved dramatically,


          Sorry, for ... rudeness, "but ... LJ .. I can’t! wassat

          Quote: Rus_87
          but Kalina-2 appeared


          As soon as the Administration of MOST (I do not say that I myself) the Government of the Russian Federation and the State Duma change to ... "uh .... uh" about which you write, then, as a patriot of my country, I will immediately sell my SUV and I will only drive on .... "this" hell with him ... with comfort, etc ... the main thing is on YOUR wassat
          1. Rus_87
            Rus_87 24 May 2013 13: 18 New
            +5
            What does the administration have to do with ??? If anything we are talking about an economy class car! Let's reason sensibly and logically! Do you want the comfort and safety of a Mercedes S class chtoli for 400 pieces of your rubles ??? For the money, Lada viburnum, in a new body especially, a very good machine!
            1. VAF
              VAF 24 May 2013 13: 27 New
              +3
              Quote: Rus_87
              You want comfort and safety for 400 pieces of your rubles


              I live in Russia and often go to Ukraine, so buy a car for 400 pieces and after a trip repair it or throw it away ??? I don’t earn that much.
              For these grandmothers, I’d better buy a supported Patrol and ... I don’t know about grief!
              But maybe you already have autobahns, so I do not argue!

              And I ask again with questions about Kalina .. this is to John 3-volt and his "hop company", with me. Please on other topics, okay? +! drinks
              1. krokodil25
                krokodil25 24 May 2013 14: 13 New
                +5
                Quote: vaf
                For these grandmothers, I’d better buy a supported Patrol and ... I don’t know about grief!

                Seryoga is healthy! hi
                By the way, we were able to make excellent cars. I don’t understand why Putin always supported the frets? laughing
                1. VAF
                  VAF 24 May 2013 14: 29 New
                  +4
                  Quote: krokodil25
                  By the way, we were able to make great cars.


                  Hi Gene! I had such ... well, or almost such 2410, after the first Afghanistan I bought ..... a beast .... at a speed of 100 creates an angle of attack, as on take-off wink

                  it’s not without reason that the joke goes about pilots - .. "I see the barrier drops. Well, I’m on the gas and .. on myself, but she ... damn ... does not take off!"

                  But the spring suspension at the rear. it really ..class! good
                  1. krokodil25
                    krokodil25 24 May 2013 14: 47 New
                    +2
                    This thing would not be bad to revive! What do you think?
                    1. VAF
                      VAF 24 May 2013 14: 57 New
                      +1
                      Quote: krokodil25
                      This thing would not be bad to revive! What do you think?


                      It was a good "device", but ... if you manage to visit the archives of Bortini. then there ... and MUCH MORE ... but ....
                      1. krokodil25
                        krokodil25 24 May 2013 15: 55 New
                        +2
                        Quote: vaf
                        if you can visit the archives of Bortini.

                        And what kind of archive, in short, you can’t enlighten a photo or a helmet site?
                      2. Ruslan67
                        Ruslan67 24 May 2013 16: 14 New
                        +4
                        Quote: krokodil25
                        And what kind of archive, you can’t briefly enlighten

                        If not mistaken, it will be opened 179 years after his death request hi
                      3. VAF
                        VAF 24 May 2013 17: 08 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        If not mistaken, it will be opened 179 years after his death

                        You are not mistaken, but if you are mistaken, it is very .. not by much! +! bully
        2. lazy
          lazy 24 May 2013 15: 52 New
          +1
          for 400 pieces of rubles I have a 10 year old Honda HRV, automatic climate control and for the year of operation, never in a car service. and I can’t convince me that she is “auto trash”, and not a fresh vase
  • Garrin
    Garrin 24 May 2013 13: 04 New
    +2
    Quote: lilit.193

    Yeah! He already drove on the Kalina. And what, the quality of our cars has improved so cool right?

    No, well, if three pieces give at the price of one (like GDP rolled around), then nothing else.
  • a
    a 24 May 2013 07: 33 New
    14
    That's what a country in manual control means- now, not experts advise to change something in a particular device. Now the president is doing all this. Dear Vladimir Vladimirovich, in our city there is poor asphalt on the roads. Help, come and show by personal example how it should be laid.
  • 77bob1973
    77bob1973 24 May 2013 07: 36 New
    +3
    why invent something, everything has already been invented is the A-40, stick new electronics into it and go!
    1. LaGlobal
      LaGlobal 24 May 2013 09: 49 New
      +3
      BU 200 with 98 is already flying!
    2. Chicot 1
      Chicot 1 24 May 2013 11: 19 New
      +2
      Quote: 77bob1973
      why invent something, everything has already been invented is the A-40, stick new electronics into it and go!

      I completely agree! But the A-40 is specific and fully suitable only for the military. The Be-200 (which by and large is the "younger brother" of the A-40), if I may say so more universal, and has proven itself to be an excellent operation in the Ministry of Emergencies. So for him in the future there will be a job ...

      A-40 Albatross. Gelendzhik, September 2004
  • Horde
    Horde 24 May 2013 07: 39 New
    +8
    and what did Putin need to climb into the structure? Is it smarter than there is already nobody? Is the shoemaker baking cakes?
    I think they’ll figure it out without him.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 24 May 2013 09: 09 New
      +4
      Quote: Horde
      and what did Putin need to climb into the structure? Is it smarter that there is already nobody?


      "Comrade Putin! You are a great scientist!" (tyrnet) laughing
      1. Armata
        Armata 24 May 2013 09: 34 New
        +8
        Quote: Horde
        and what did Putin need to climb into the structure? Is it smarter than there is already nobody? Is the shoemaker baking cakes?
        I think they’ll figure it out without him.

        Quote: Egoza
        "Comrade Putin! You are a great scientist!" (tyrnet)
        Hello everyone. hi GDP, as always, has been extremely wise. Glider improvements have been going on for about 3 years. Now we are making a stand for a new one. Avionics will also be more sophisticated. Well, then we came and immediately distributed decrees on the basis of what has already been done. As always, just a burden.
        1. VAF
          VAF 24 May 2013 12: 05 New
          +4
          Quote: Mechanic
          Glider improvements have been going on for about 3 years.


          Hi Zhenya! "Bodyaga" with a change in the design of the airframe has been going on for years so .... well, much more than you voiced!
          For the rest, +! good I will not repeat myself.

          For "not knowledgeable" and "uninitiated" ...... the working hours of the departments of the Civil Code and the maintenance of .... well, yes. At this enterprise:
          The beginning of the "work" at 8.30 a.m. to 9.30 a.m. study on the Internet of new films for rent, from 10 a.m. to 12 p.m., from 12 a.m. to 13 p.m. preparation for dinner, from 13 p.m. to 15 p.m. lunch (yes, two hours), from 15.30 p.m. 17.30-at will .. or volleyball or swimming or a "zaruba" on the Internet in the "toys"!
          All!!!
          Very rarely, one of the grandfathers brings a drawing and it is "shifted" into the figure.
          Salary of 10-12 thousand, if there is a bonus, then up to 15 .... how much the management has, I won’t voice it ... there’s been enough a heart attack!
        2. sashka
          sashka 24 May 2013 14: 17 New
          0
          Quote: Mechanic
          gliders have been going on for about 3 years. Now we are making a stand for a new one. Avionics will also be more sophisticated

          Change the location of the rivet .. This requires a decision from the Quality Control Department .. Apparently you do not know what you are dealing with ..
    2. nickname 1 and 2
      nickname 1 and 2 24 May 2013 09: 52 New
      -4
      Quote: Horde
      Cobbler bakes cakes?


      And then you are wrong and this is not that way!

      When 1st persons are dumb - it’s bad, this one thinks well and is not bad.
      1. lilit.193
        lilit.193 24 May 2013 10: 47 New
        +6
        Quote: nick 1 and 2
        When 1st persons are dumb - it’s bad, this one thinks well and is not bad.

        Let him think in the management of the country, and aircraft designers without him will figure out what and how to improve on airplanes. wink
        1. VAF
          VAF 24 May 2013 12: 10 New
          +4
          Quote: lilit.193
          Let him think in governing the country,


          Yesterday, he "showed himself that way" at a meeting with industrialists, that ..... "I just want to ask ... God save and protect RUSSIA" !!!!
      2. VAF
        VAF 24 May 2013 12: 08 New
        +1
        Quote: nick 1 and 2
        this one also understands the course is bad.


        Who is thinking ???? Yes, he .... "dumb" like ... CORK !!!
      3. Horde
        Horde 24 May 2013 18: 21 New
        +4
        Quote: nick 1 and 2
        Quote: Horde
        Cobbler bakes cakes?


        And then you are wrong and this is not that way!

        When 1st persons are dumb - it’s bad, this one thinks well and is not bad.

        here it is not necessary to think, but to KNOW, do you feel the difference? and for this it is necessary to LEARN. By the way, when Putin wrote his doctorate it turned out that it’s kind of a scandal, the dissertation was before him, some American wrote, and Putin is already the second. What is the coincidence of thoughts, if we calculate the probability of such an outcome, then something close to ZERO.

        Litvinenko was also personally involved in the process of preparing Putin's dissertation. It is believed that he helped Putin choose a topic and gave advice in the process of its preparation. Subsequently, a scandal broke out in the Western media related to this thesis: Clifford Gaddy, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution Research Institute, professor of economics at Johns Hopkins University, an expert in Russian economics, accused Putin of scientific plagiarism.

        http://chronicsrus.livejournal.com/122011.html
        believe it or not.
  • yustas
    yustas 24 May 2013 07: 49 New
    +7
    Beautiful car, and always have to modify that. Something is improving, something is constantly being fixed, especially since the car is new
    1. sashka
      sashka 24 May 2013 09: 20 New
      +1
      Quote: yustas
      Beautiful car, and always have to modify that. Something is improving, something is constantly being fixed, especially since the car is new

      Cranes have already taught flying. Are the assemblers the following?
      1. Mrtermit
        Mrtermit 24 May 2013 12: 54 New
        0
        build them on the field, put them on a glider, and give a command to start, but if they fix the glider, they move in, and if not, that's all, there is no aviation and the future)
        1. sashka
          sashka 24 May 2013 13: 14 New
          -2
          Quote: Mrtermit
          build them on the field, put them on a glider, and give a command to start, but if they fix the glider, they move in, and if not, that's all, there is no aviation and the future)

          Everything is not so simple. How to hold the air hammer and how many times to press. And how to determine “enough is not enough” by ear I trudge and laugh .. Here is the sovereign we have done well ... Peter the first. It will be weak. Vladimir the Great .. Just right ...
          1. Mrtermit
            Mrtermit 24 May 2013 14: 50 New
            +1
            Well, certainly not Vladimir Vysoky, or Vladimir Vredinovich, damn a man does a job, and when he wants to have a rest he starts to mock, he takes off all kinds of vidyahs, he searches for harps, and then he looks that obedient people say about him)
  • King
    King 24 May 2013 08: 47 New
    +6
    Indeed, the car is beyond competition. the main thing is not to stop there.
  • smershspy
    smershspy 24 May 2013 09: 05 New
    +8
    Quote: yustas
    Beautiful car, and always have to modify that. Something is improving, something is constantly being fixed, especially since the car is new


    Nice to have a new one! It is necessary to refine - it means it is necessary! Better to fix than the tragedy comes unexpectedly again! Lapping is new! Good luck and success!
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 24 May 2013 09: 16 New
    +8
    Good car BY 200. I saw his work in Vladivostok in the Amur Bay. Impressive! All is well, for the best.
  • runway
    runway 24 May 2013 09: 20 New
    +8
    Oh how! Without it, the sun will not rise? We have reached full moronity. Until the “godfather” says, no one will even lift a finger. Putinoheria.
    1. 12061973
      12061973 24 May 2013 13: 21 New
      +1
      if you continue to translate the arrows it will not
  • Azaat
    Azaat 24 May 2013 09: 36 New
    +3
    We extinguished the swamps. A good car roared up from the lake, but there was an incident since the lake for the BE-200 took shallow water from the waterway and almost flew into the beacon.
  • USNik
    USNik 24 May 2013 10: 38 New
    -5
    The Be-200 is good, but Putin is better! winked
    1. lilit.193
      lilit.193 24 May 2013 10: 44 New
      +2
      Quote: USNik
      The Be-200 is good, but Putin is better! winked

      Be-200 is better! There is real benefit from him! wink
      1. Mrtermit
        Mrtermit 24 May 2013 11: 04 New
        +1
        There is more benefit from GDP, without it there would be no Ministry of Emergency Situations, there would not have been such an amount of BE-200) and there would be no modernization ...
        With respect from Tatarstan wink
        1. sashka
          sashka 24 May 2013 11: 14 New
          -1
          Quote: Mrtermit
          There is more benefit from GDP, without it there would be no Ministry of Emergency Situations, there would not have been such an amount of BE-200) and there would be no modernization ...

          Yeah .. And no one would know what to do and how. But we are Russians, you must agree .. Don’t tell me what to do and I won’t tell you where to go .. He just forgot it .. Here he’s crawling anywhere, using official authority .. Isn’t it funny?
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        2. a
          a 24 May 2013 12: 07 New
          +1
          The Ministry of Emergencies was created under Yeltsin. And Shoigu steered the Ministry of Emergencies even under Yeltsin. So do not ascribe attributable merit to Putin
        3. Chicot 1
          Chicot 1 24 May 2013 12: 35 New
          +2
          Quote: Mrtermit
          There is more benefit from GDP, without it there would be no Ministry of Emergency Situations, there would not have been such an amount of BE-200) and there would be no modernization ...
          With respect from Tatarstan wink

          For the sake of objectivity, it is worth noting that the Ministry of Emergencies would not have been without Yeltsin. For this ministry was organized under him ...
          The Be-200 would be "in such quantity" without Shoigu, who knows how to knock out everything necessary ...
          Regards from the North Caucasus ...
          1. Mrtermit
            Mrtermit 24 May 2013 12: 46 New
            +1
            I won’t argue, There is a question: Then it turns out that if we didn’t have the resources of the rich and the wise minds (taftalogy huh?), Would Putin not help?
            and the second question, so it means we can’t manage only one Putin, as they wrote above, so he only rolls around the country and writes all the good deeds and deeds)
            Maybe it was Comrade Peskov’s idea to create a portal about all new manufactures in Russia sdelanounas, which, as it were, is his adviser_? )
            1. a
              a 24 May 2013 13: 36 New
              +4
              if a country has neither resources nor brains, this country will be forced to eke out a miserable existence on the outskirts of civilization. No Putin will help her. But minds are still being brought up. And without rich resources you can even live very well. Japan and Korea are an example.
              at present, the country is essentially in manual control - without a team from above, difficult cases are hardly solved. Another thing is that it cannot last so long. Sooner or later, if this continues, it will lead to collapse.
          2. sashka
            sashka 24 May 2013 13: 29 New
            -1
            Quote: Chicot 1
            For the sake of objectivity, it is worth noting that the Ministry of Emergencies would not have been without Yeltsin. For this ministry was organized under him ...

            that means .. Actually, it’s interesting .. Oklahoma we can allow. There is no suffering from a hurricane And there is no Tula Province .. To whom, what, or how does it “help” What was sent to the Americans and what was left to themselves. ???
            1. Chicot 1
              Chicot 1 24 May 2013 13: 59 New
              +4
              Quote: Sasha
              that means .. Actually, it’s interesting .. Oklahoma we can allow. There is no suffering from a hurricane And there is no Tula Province .. To whom, what, or how does it “help” What was sent to the Americans and what was left to themselves. ???

              Forgive me generously, but I did not quite understand the train of thought ...
      2. Grishka100watt
        Grishka100watt 24 May 2013 12: 04 New
        0
        Be-200 is better! There is real benefit from him! wink

        Is there more benefit from you?
        1. lilit.193
          lilit.193 24 May 2013 12: 45 New
          +1
          Quote: Grishka100watt
          Is there more benefit from you?

          I am in my place, and people are happy with my work. And for these words I am responsible. But you, Gregory, can you say that to yourself?
          1. Grishka100watt
            Grishka100watt 24 May 2013 12: 51 New
            -2
            Yes I can.
            However, this is not the answer to the question.
            1. Grishka100watt
              Grishka100watt 24 May 2013 13: 00 New
              -6
              Or do you think that you are on an equal footing with him? Maybe you’re just yapping at the forum, knowing that you won’t be punished?
              It's me that you are responsible for your words except when you can’t be afraid that they will ask you.
              1. lilit.193
                lilit.193 24 May 2013 13: 24 New
                +2
                Quote: Grishka100watt
                Or do you think that you are on an equal footing with him?

                Yes, I think so! I am a citizen of Russia, not cattle! And if you consider yourself a serf, then forward bow and lick your boots!

                Quote: Grishka100watt
                Maybe you’re just yapping at the forum, knowing that you won’t be punished?

                I’d better tell you about yapping, but I’m not going to break the rules of the site.

                Quote: Grishka100watt
                Maybe you’re just yapping at the forum, knowing that you won’t be punished?

                Are you afraid of a yap, because you are afraid that you will be punished? wink

                Quote: Grishka100watt
                It's me that you are responsible for your words except when you can’t be afraid that they will ask you.

                Justify.
                1. Grishka100watt
                  Grishka100watt 24 May 2013 13: 39 New
                  -1
                  But....


                  Yes, I think so! I am a citizen of Russia, not cattle! And if you consider yourself a serf, then forward bow and lick your boots!


                  In my opinion, just the opposite request

                  I’d better tell you about yapping, but I’m not going to break the rules of the site.

                  Well, firstly, I hardly said, but just wrote, yes.

                  Are you afraid of a yap, because you are afraid that you will be punished? wink

                  Secondly, I generally speak of a person as if he was standing in front of me, good or bad, both in his presence and in his absence, which I advise others.

                  Justify.

                  And you already answer for yourself: you will tell Putin (well, or someone else) in the face, at a meeting, what you supposedly think about him or not.
                  1. lilit.193
                    lilit.193 24 May 2013 15: 04 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Grishka100watt
                    But ...

                    "However," leave for Mikhail Leontyev. wink

                    Quote: Grishka100watt
                    In my opinion, just the opposite

                    I see the opposite. You didn’t even have the courage to call yourself a citizen of Russia.

                    Quote: Grishka100watt
                    Well, firstly, I hardly said, but just wrote, yes.

                    She said, wrote. The phrase "made public its opinion" will suit you?

                    Quote: Grishka100watt
                    Secondly, I generally speak of a person as if he was standing in front of me, good or bad, both in his presence and in his absence, which I advise others.

                    Yes, even in tenths! You answer me - are you afraid to “publicize your opinion” about the authorities once again because you are afraid to get a hat? wink

                    Quote: Grishka100watt
                    And you already answer for yourself: you will tell Putin (well, or someone else) in the face, at a meeting, what you supposedly think about him or not.

                    What and how I will tell him I will think. But I won’t sing praises to him. Be sure, Gregory.
                    1. Grishka100watt
                      Grishka100watt 24 May 2013 15: 53 New
                      -4
                      Then you should not have answered me, for your answer only discredits you.
                      I liked hi
                      1. lilit.193
                        lilit.193 24 May 2013 16: 02 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Grishka100watt
                        Then you shouldn’t answer me

                        I will always answer. Unlike those who prefer to keep quiet in a rag or yap laudatory chants. wink
                        Quote: Grishka100watt
                        for your answer only discredits you.

                        It only seems to you. And when it seems, it is necessary to be baptized. wink
                        Quote: Grishka100watt
                        I liked hi

                        Do you like being kicked? belay
            2. lilit.193
              lilit.193 24 May 2013 13: 03 New
              +1
              Quote: Grishka100watt
              However, this is not the answer to the question.

              This is the answer. I am in my place.
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  • Chicot 1
    Chicot 1 24 May 2013 11: 31 New
    +4
    Dear Vladimir Vladimirovich, since you began to understand the issues of aviation and aircraft design so well (if you give recommendations to designers and manufacturers of aviation equipment), then (if it doesn’t particularly complicate you), pay attention to the short-range Tu-334, which was actually ditched for that so that you can promote the "innovative", but completely unnecessary "Superjet-100" ...
    Photo Tu-334 attached ...
  • Lone gunman
    Lone gunman 24 May 2013 12: 40 New
    -1
    this is not for you comrades ... scribblers,
    and the fact that the car needs to be modified is a fact, the amers are saying the same thing, then the B-200 would have been bought, the wise men are two inches away, and there, naive, you think that he said on a whim that the car needs to be improved and he was not suggested by pilots or repairmen from the service personnel of this aircraft!? I sometimes read comments and marvel at the idiocy of some of those present here.
    1. Grishka100watt
      Grishka100watt 24 May 2013 12: 45 New
      0
      But where are they? They don’t even want to work, it’s easier for them to sell their conscience for the green.
      1. sashka
        sashka 24 May 2013 13: 39 New
        +2
        Quote: Grishka100watt
        Grishka100watt

        And by chance, not a friend of the three-volt John. You are very obsessed with electricity. 100watt Of course abruptly.
        1. Grishka100watt
          Grishka100watt 24 May 2013 13: 47 New
          -1
          No, not a friend, but what does it matter?
      2. sashka
        sashka 24 May 2013 13: 52 New
        +2
        Moderators will not miss. There would be an opportunity, not in virtual space I would. Without breaking the space of the gay union. I am Russian. I’m alien to kill for fun .. But when "such" shots .. I have to move ...
        1. Grishka100watt
          Grishka100watt 24 May 2013 13: 58 New
          0
          What are you talking about? what
    2. Petrospek
      Petrospek 24 May 2013 14: 12 New
      +3
      So about that and the fact that everyone should do their work. Not really manual control and design issues now? Wasn’t there anyone to voice it earlier ?? This question is the last unresolved on this plane? What's next? Will learn how to go to the toilet?
    3. stranik72
      stranik72 24 May 2013 20: 01 New
      0
      Yes, I am amazed by our "idolaters", where you saw a person who prevented the collapse of the country, he is one of the active participants in this collapse, at the beginning of his career, as an employee of the State Security Committee (somewhere the State and where that Committee), and then as a loyal follower of the line Sobchak-Yeltsin, and who told you that the collapse of the country was prevented? The rate of this collapse has slowed, and the course towards its destruction has continued. As for the "nightmare for the geopolitical enemies of Russia .." this is from a cartoon about a black cloak, is it funny, especially when you look at Libya, Syria, our Caucasus, relations with the USA, Ukraine, etc. During his reign, at those oil prices, the country should look like a fairy tale for a long time, and only officials and oligarchs, etc., have fabulously enriched in us. So he is not a nightmare for the enemies of Russia, he is her hope that the country without tension for them will turn into a second-rate country. And I do not care how you feel about this opinion.
  • Grishka100watt
    Grishka100watt 24 May 2013 13: 28 New
    -5
    Creating the first patriotic impression, the site turns into a kind of hotbed of activity of anti-state elements, working in groups in its information space, confusing ordinary visitors, misleading them, creating a discussion area that is beneficial for these groups by voting for / against and lowering / increasing the rating, and sometimes and just plunging the topic into the flood.

    And if I, a person who does not visit the site every day, notice this, then the moderators are sure that they know what I meant.

    This begs the question ..
    1. sashka
      sashka 24 May 2013 13: 33 New
      0
      Quote: Grishka100watt
      This begs the question ..

      Leave questions everyone entering here .. Moderators will decide .. Who is right and who is not)))
    2. VAF
      VAF 24 May 2013 13: 58 New
      +3
      Quote: Grishka100watt
      First Impressive Patriotic Website


      By% ak you’ll stop confusing, or rather combine “URYAPATRIOTISM” and ordinary DNBILISM, so everything will fall into place!

      Or "penny" for posts "work out" for a couple of 3-volt?

      So the people, after all, not only sit on the site, they sometimes go out into the street, and for the most part they work in real production facilities, and not in pictures from the Sdelanounas site! wassat
      1. Grishka100watt
        Grishka100watt 24 May 2013 14: 20 New
        +1
        I go to the site purely at will. Although it is unpleasant at times it happens to answer you like that.

        People go out into the street, you are right about that. And in my small village, by the way, every day he sees the difference with what happened before. Something is being built, something has already been built, there are funds for sporting events, roads are slowly updating, so complaining is a sin.
        And in real life, by the way, I have not met such ideological opponents, as I may say, as you paint.
        The people are aware of who is who and how we lived before, too, to put it mildly, I have not forgotten. Yes, other, though rare, but influenced and poorly informed people, by your efforts, are read on the Internet, something, but when you talk, everything turns out.

        So do not scare me with any garbage, dear.
        1. VAF
          VAF 24 May 2013 14: 41 New
          +3
          Quote: Grishka100watt
          Although it is unpleasant at times it happens to answer you like that.


          Well, if you entertain yourself with illusions. that I enjoy communicating with people like you and a 3-volt. anyway .. your gop fellowUryakompanii "... then you are deeply mistaken!

          Well, since you think Ivashov, Sitnov, Glazyev, Leonov, Kvochur, etc. .... the list is not enough. What would be rewritten ... "like me" that "harm" the state or maybe all the same "ruling clique now"...
          What can you generally conduct a dialogue with?

          So you wrote it right .. who you really are and nothing. as it turned out. Well, judging by your answer ... I do not confuse!

          Bullshit ... she's not only in Africa. but also in Russia .. FIG! soldier
          1. Grishka100watt
            Grishka100watt 24 May 2013 14: 51 New
            -1
            Yes, but I don’t know how you are there, but I personally don’t put you on a par with the above-mentioned people, because they did not call me a moron and a jingoistic patriot.
            1. VAF
              VAF 24 May 2013 15: 06 New
              +5
              Quote: Grishka100watt
              I do not put you in a row with the above-mentioned people, for they did not call me a moron and a cheer patriot.


              so in this you are only lucky, because the people listed by me are engaged in business and are trying. to the best of their ability, not to completely ruin and “grab” everything that is still alive, though they do it poorly, and if it does, it’s hard!
              But here all our current achievements are precisely the merit of these people, and not of your "state-owned company" with which I, because of my old age and the opportunity to have more personal time, and now I work only for myself. forced to periodically communicate!

              And for you I inform you that TAM, well, that would be up to you to know, is quite normal. but this is not the merit of your IDOL!
              1. Grishka100watt
                Grishka100watt 24 May 2013 15: 40 New
                0
                Sorry, but no one forced you to talk to me.
                You climbed into me yourself and insulted you with your first message.
                So, although you, as you say, are many years old, but who of us is a gopnik, for me personally the question is closed. hi
                1. VAF
                  VAF 24 May 2013 16: 20 New
                  0
                  Quote: Grishka100watt
                  Sorry, but no one forced you to talk to me.
                  You climbed into me yourself and insulted you with your first message.


                  Or is it not you who wrote in your post and did not start insulting ??? belay

                  Creating the first patriotic impression, the site turns into a kind of hotbed of activity of anti-state elements, working in groups in its information space, confusing ordinary visitors, misleading them, creating a discussion area that is beneficial for these groups by voting for / against and lowering / increasing the rating, and sometimes and just plunging the topic into the flood.

                  And who pestered whom? I already told you once. at the beginning of your appearance, a kindergarten around the corner, you’ve mixed up a place.

                  And for an adult, then for the "broom you have to watch and answer for the bazaar", and not .. "deflate and foam .. like shampoo!" wassat
                  1. Grishka100watt
                    Grishka100watt 24 May 2013 16: 51 New
                    +1
                    Excuse me, dear, did I send you a message? - no.
                    Did I reply to your message? - again no.
                    So the question is: how could I pester you if I didn’t even talk to you?

                    And why did I insult you in the first post?

                    And if you consider yourself
                    anti-state elements, working on its information space in groups, confusing ordinary visitors, misleading them, creating a direction of discussion favorable to these groups by voting for / against and lowering / increasing the rating, and sometimes simply plunging the topic into the flood.
                    , since they decided to answer me this, then how could I offend you THIS?
                2. Lone gunman
                  Lone gunman 24 May 2013 16: 48 New
                  0
                  don’t worry, if you misunderstood something, the troll ... "they" are

                  http://img11.nnm.ru/0/1/b/e/e/e7573ed482a4e24293cd22c4681.jpg

                  and such ...

                  http://img11.nnm.ru/d/1/2/e/0/de91570aa9fdefe5875817e2d0f.jpg

                  don’t worry, “they” get money for it, they live that way, “they” usually say: “I am in my place and people are happy with my work. And I am responsible for these words. But you, Grigory, can tell about yourself say this? "- good luck soldier
                  1. Grishka100watt
                    Grishka100watt 24 May 2013 16: 54 New
                    -2
                    do not worry
                    yes hi
      2. Hleb
        Hleb 26 May 2013 14: 07 New
        0
        Okay, Putin, but he has come to the point that Kadyrov should not be criticized here.
    3. Chicot 1
      Chicot 1 24 May 2013 14: 17 New
      +3
      Quote: Grishka100watt
      Creating the first patriotic impression, the site turns into a kind of hotbed of activity of anti-state elements, working in groups in its information space, confusing ordinary visitors, misleading them, creating a discussion area that is beneficial for these groups by voting for / against and lowering / increasing the rating, and sometimes and just plunging the topic into the flood.

      Dear Gregory, you have gathered too much into one pile ...
      I’ll give one historical example ... Do you know why Napoleon never read the French periodical and demanded that foreign newspapers be delivered to him? .. The answer is simple - he knew in advance what would be written in French, because they printed only what he wanted Napoleon ...
      So do you really want the situation in the country to come to the point where the president you love so much would have to write the press from abroad ...
      I think that you are not a stupid person and you won’t have to explain the meaning of what I wrote ... wink
      Quote: Grishka100watt
      And if I, a person who does not visit the site every day, notice this, then the moderators are sure that they know what I meant.

      I have experience in moderation (not here, on another site) and I can say that the main task of the moderator is to monitor the implementation of the items set out in the rules, and not censorship and filtering of users' points of view ...
      Quote: Grishka100watt
      This begs the question ..

      You can’t even imagine how many questions I sometimes have. Including those in power ...
      Once I even sent one of these questions to the website of Prime Minister Putin. Putin is already the president, but there is still no answer ... And from here the question also arises ...
  • Best novel
    Best novel 24 May 2013 13: 35 New
    +4
    Is it interesting, will he fly into space? It's time already.
    1. sashka
      sashka 24 May 2013 14: 24 New
      +1
      Quote: Roman Best
      Is it interesting, will he fly into space? It's time already.

      Well, as if it's time already. I doubt. Without manual control. HOW SO..
      1. Mrtermit
        Mrtermit 24 May 2013 15: 01 New
        +4
        and you will be glad if he stays there? What are your most secret fantasies about this? )
  • Lion
    Lion 24 May 2013 15: 16 New
    0
    I absolutely agree with Lone gunman! good
  • Trevis
    Trevis 24 May 2013 15: 57 New
    +2
    Very beautiful plane! good
  • optimist
    optimist 24 May 2013 17: 02 New
    +1
    "Comrade Shura, you are a great scientist !!!" (Panikovsky from the "Golden Calf") GDP we have a great pilot (submariner, athlete, diver, Siberian Crane), etc. laughing It would be better to tell when Tolayan Taburetkin will send his friend and accomplice to the bunk ...
    1. VAF
      VAF 24 May 2013 17: 21 New
      +4
      Quote: optimist
      It would be better to tell when Tolayan Taburetkin will send his friend and accomplice to the bunk ...


      So then you will have to cook neighboring shkonari for yourself and Dima’s friend lol , but can it be possible lol , of course not .. therefore, the stools are ETERNAL and UNFILLED! wassat
  • Yarosvet
    Yarosvet 24 May 2013 17: 38 New
    +3
    But, apparentlysome aircraft systems are not well developed ... and defects are known, as they say, at the very top


    It is curious - he knows about the plane, he knows about the execution of a scarecrow of a Jew, but not about a stool.
    Оhhvery selective "knowledge" bully
  • sergey158-29
    sergey158-29 24 May 2013 17: 52 New
    +7
    I apologize for climbing into someone else’s monastery ... but without a “from above” sign, even chickens do not rush ...

    quote: “As soon as I took the eggs, as soon as the oil disappeared.”, I see you will soon overtake us with the aphorisms of your leader ...

    And the plane is certainly unique, let it get on the wing and good luck to the designers!
    1. TSOOBER
      TSOOBER 25 May 2013 00: 17 New
      -1
      I can say, I agree! drinks
  • killganoff
    killganoff 24 May 2013 18: 27 New
    +4
    Putin also understands planes ???! Apparently for this reason, in our ministries, only profile specialists are leading.
  • Makarov
    Makarov 24 May 2013 18: 53 New
    +5
    The engines on it are first-class ... the last masterpiece of some great idea ... now designers need to think about something new ....
  • stranik72
    stranik72 24 May 2013 19: 26 New
    +5
    "There are advantages to preserving the country within its current borders, improving the standard of living of citizens (although not super, but still there) taking control of the country's natural resources."
    In what are its current borders, those that were after the transfer of part of the Russian land to the Chinese or Norwegians? But taking control of the country's natural resources? It's like that we Russia get 10% of its value from every barrel of oil sold, thanks. Gentlemen, some, do you even think that you write, yes the GDP has +, but what you call is unlikely to have + for Russia.
  • zemlyak
    zemlyak 24 May 2013 19: 28 New
    +2
    Modern Russia is Yeltsin’s or Putin’s .... By and large, these two Russia suit everyone, and Europe and America and China, Yeltsin’s more, Putin’s less, but it does not cause much trouble in the West. And to build a new Russia, smart, beautiful, strong, that Russia that you all dream of no one will give you. I repeat, no one! You can scold me, but it will be so. The world script has been written for a long time, all roles are distributed. Even with the coming to power of new people, nothing will change. Now in power is the "party of thieves and crooks", the party of Prokhorov or Navalny will continue to steal, as you like. Social justice? So it was not under the Communists, but now even more so. Do not be idealists .. Do not like "viburnum", buy a supported patrol or "e-mobile" if there is enough money.
  • a.hamster55
    a.hamster55 24 May 2013 19: 36 New
    -1
    There was talk that 20 wagons of money is no longer enough for the MO. Apparently did not agree on prices with the defense industry. Therefore, defense orders are not fulfilled.
  • Kowalsky
    Kowalsky 24 May 2013 20: 10 New
    0
    Yes, damn it, without Putin, the designers would not have figured it out ... Soon, ALL airplanes, regardless of brand, type and purpose, will have the world's most advanced water intake system installed :)
    1. lilit.193
      lilit.193 24 May 2013 20: 19 New
      +1
      Quote: Kowalsky
      Yes, damn it, without Putin, the designers would not have figured it out ... Soon, ALL airplanes, regardless of brand, type and purpose, will have the world's most advanced water intake system installed :)

      And in the name will necessarily be present the letter "PE". wink Type "Putin" ... laughing
      1. Rezun
        Rezun 24 May 2013 21: 03 New
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        I apologize, but it’s terribly interesting, what letter do you recommend? And, in general, it is desirable that the surname is completely! repeat
        1. lilit.193
          lilit.193 25 May 2013 00: 48 New
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          Quote: Rezun
          I'm sorry, but terribly interesting, what letter would you recommend?

          The one that is included in the name of the aircraft. Or can you recommend any other letters?
          Quote: Rezun
          But, in general, it is desirable, the full name!

          And whose surname do you completely need?
          1. Rezun
            Rezun 25 May 2013 08: 58 New
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            Once again, I apologize, but I see some kind of "imprisoned" interest in Uncle Vova (I looked through your messages). About letters you were the first to "throw" an idea ...

            Maybe you say what you do not like the name "Putin"? And again: is there anyone as an alternative?

            PSMaybe in a "PM". I guarantee politeness and adequacy. With uv.Resun.
            1. lilit.193
              lilit.193 25 May 2013 15: 24 New
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              Quote: Rezun
              I apologize again

              Nice to deal with a polite person.
              Quote: Rezun
              but I see some kind of "imprisoned" interest in Uncle Vova

              Why did you decide that I have a "sharpened" interest in Uncle Vova?
              Quote: Rezun
              (looked through your messages)

              Is it perceived as a complement, as a statement of fact, or as a manifestation of increased interest in my person?
              Quote: Rezun
              Maybe you say what you do not like the name "Putin"?

              I do not like the actions of the person holding the presidency of the Russian Federation. Is it clear now?
              Quote: Rezun
              And one more thing: is there anyone else as an alternative?

              What did you mean?
              Quote: Rezun
              About letters, you first "threw" a thought ...

              And you so wanted to continue communication on the subject of letters?
              Quote: Rezun
              PSMaybe in a "PM". I guarantee politeness and adequacy.

              As you can see, I answered on the forum. So there is no need for your guarantees.

              And now I’m asking a question - for what purpose are you interested in, uv.Resun?
              1. Rezun
                Rezun 25 May 2013 20: 16 New
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                [quote = lilit.193] I do not like the actions of the person holding the presidency of the Russian Federation. So clear? [/ Quote]
                This is exactly what was meant ...
                [quote = lilit.193] And you so wanted to continue communication on the subject of letters? [/ quote]
                As you can see, I'm communicating in a coherent speech.
                [quote = lilit.193] As you can see, I answered on the forum. [/ quote]
                On the forum, so on the forum
                quote = lilit.193] for what purpose are you interested in, uv. Rezun? [/ quote]
                Reasons are different.
                I’m interested in what do you expect from a person holding the post of President of the Russian Federation? How do you personally and people who think alike with you see developments in the future? What do you consider the President’s priority task?
                My relatives live in Russia, Kazakhstan, in Ukraine, I used to take care of everyone.

                KST, in the evenings the forum "sticks".
                1. lilit.193
                  lilit.193 25 May 2013 23: 32 New
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                  I wonder what you expect from a person holding the post of President of the Russian Federation?

                  Anything can be expected from him.
                  Quote: Rezun
                  How do you personally and people who think alike with you see the development of events in the future?

                  Do you expect a forecast from me? I am not Nastradamus and not Wang. But what will be better is no longer waiting.
                  Quote: Rezun
                  What do you consider the President’s priority task?

                  Well, at least keep your campaign promises.
                  Quote: Rezun
                  My relatives live in Russia, Kazakhstan, in Ukraine, I used to take care of everyone.

                  Noble. I wish you success in this. Sincerely. Lilith.
                  1. Rezun
                    Rezun 26 May 2013 08: 31 New
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                    I read it.
  • regsSSSR
    regsSSSR 24 May 2013 22: 05 New
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    I remember when I was resting in the Crimea, but I don’t remember exactly what year near Yalta I watched how these 2 Be-2oo cars fought with the relic of the Crimean relic forest. The terrain is difficult there and the forest burns quickly and the decision had to be made quickly. coped with this task! apparently special flew to the aid from Russia potamu as if unmistakable Ukraine has no such machines
  • give
    give 25 May 2013 05: 03 New
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    Reason is everything ...
    Attention to the faces of entrepreneurs :)
    http://www.youtube.com/v/OzGDp77gzfQ
  • give
    give 25 May 2013 05: 23 New
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    Putin's feat
  • Alf
    Alf 25 May 2013 17: 29 New
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    After Putin taught how to fly cranes, Putin’s advice will not surprise me.
    And about the rally of this representative of the most ancient profession, then, according to some reports, the iPhone threw this idea.
  • Marconi41
    Marconi41 26 May 2013 03: 07 New
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    An article about the BE-200, and we are discussing Putin - Mess, comrades forum users !!!
  • Evrepid
    Evrepid 26 May 2013 12: 58 New
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    Nice beautiful car. Flies in very difficult conditions.
    And the problem with opening the valve is more contrived. There are of course, but problems must be solved.
    I do not believe that for so many years there are no solutions to the problem, I think more likely that there is no money.
    By the way, I would like to know where the order for 8 aircraft went, which Shoigu was obliged to do?
    And then in the production program of the plant there is not any mention of it.