Chelubey: a name younger than its battle

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Chelubey: a name younger than its battle


Peresvet's enemy had no name for nearly three centuries. It was apparently invented by a Kiev monk around 1680 for its oriental flavor and ring.



Ask anyone who encountered the monk Peresvet on Kulikovo Field. The answer will be the same: Chelubey. This name appears in school textbooks, in reproductions, in speeches. Yet it predates the battle itself by almost three centuries. In 1380, there was no Chelubey—neither on the field nor in the first accounts of him.

What we have before us is not a memory error, but story about how myth builds itself up with details. Peresvet's Enemy is a convenient opportunity to trace this through texts: the nameless figure acquired names one after another, each revealing the fears and literary fashions of its time.

The fight might not have happened


Let's start with an inconvenient fact. The oldest monument of the Kulikovo cycle contains no duel at all. "Zadonshchina," created at the turn of the 14th and 15th centuries, depicts Peresvet as a living warrior in the thick of the fray, not as a duelist who fell before the battle.

The single combat scene appears only in "The Tale of the Battle of Mamai." According to the common dating, this story dates to the late 15th and early 16th centuries, although this is debatable: some scholars suggest an earlier core of the text. In any case, more than a century separates the battle from the full account of the duel. Over such a period, memory is more likely to invent a detail than to retain it.

And the scene is constructed according to a recognizable matrix. A giant alien with a long spear steps before the line and challenges them to combat; he is answered not by the strongest, but by the most righteous; the strongman perishes, and his fall determines the outcome. This is the framework of the story of David and Goliath, transferred to Russian soil. The ancient Russian scribe thought in Scripture. For him, the duel before the battle was a sermon, not a report: it is not muscle that wins, but truth. The unarmored monk slaying the giant was instantly understood by a medieval mind.

The enemy first assumed this role—the doomed Goliath. The name came later. And since the role was literary, it could be filled with anything suitable.

Four stages, four enemies


The "Tale" has come down to us in over four hundred copies, and Peresvet's opponent changed his name from edition to edition. If you lay out these names in order, you can see what each era feared and admired.

At first, there is no name at all—this is the first of four stages, nameless. In the oldest manuscripts of the main redaction, he is simply "a Pecheneg from the Tatar regiment," "a hero from the Horde," "an evil Tatar." By the 15th century, the word "Pecheneg" had long since become a literary archaism: it was used to describe any steppe nomad. The enemy here is not a person, but a function: the embodiment of foreignness, a threat from the steppe.

Then comes Tavrul. This name is worth a closer look: it reveals the cuisine of this ancient Russian author.

The scribes apparently didn't invent Tavrul, but borrowed it. A name with the same sound appears in the Hypatian Chronicle dating back to 1240, during the storming of Kyiv by Batu Khan's troops. The connection, however, remains hypothetical: we have no direct evidence that the duelist was named after this Tavrul. But the logic is clear: the author, seeking a formidable name for the Horde warrior, most likely discovered an old text he knew and borrowed the ready-made name of an enemy from a previous invasion.

The memory of Batu's devastation seemed to lend a ready-made, menacing name to the new plot. The real-life Taurul of the 13th century and the duelist of the 14th century have nothing in common, except that both were intended to be frightening.

Next comes Temir-murza. "Temir" means "iron" in Turkic, and "murza" is a noble title; together they mean "iron prince." The name is established in the so-called Cyprian, or Synodal, edition of the "Tale" of the 16th-17th centuries.

His origins are no less clear than those of Tavrul. At the turn of the 14th and 15th centuries, Rus' and the surrounding lands were shaken by a new conqueror—Tamerlane, Timur. The nameless Horde leader was given a name that resounded with the military might of the era. Tavrul carried with him the memory of Batu, Temir-murza that of Tamerlane.

And only at the very end of this series does Chelubey appear. He doesn't appear in the 15th-16th-century manuscripts. He comes from a printed book, not a chronicle, not from oral tradition. And that's a whole other story.

A machine called "Synopsis"


This book, the "Kiev Synopsis," is the first large-scale printed work on Russian history. It is believed to have been compiled by Archimandrite Innokenty Gizel of the Kiev Pechersk Lavra, with the participation, according to one version, of cellarer Panteleimon Kokhanovsky. The first edition was published by the Lavra's printing house in 1674.

To understand the power of this book, imagine the situation. Before Synopsis, there simply was no coherent, accessible, printed account of the Russian past—only scattered chronicles in monastery vaults, inaccessible to the average reader. Synopsis, for the first time, stitched these disparate pieces of information into a coherent narrative and published it. It didn't describe history, but rather assembled it, deciding which stories would be incorporated into the common memory and which would remain in the margins. Before Synopsis, the story of the Battle of Kulikovo existed only in a few manuscripts: it was print that made it part of the shared, national memory.

And the book became an unrivaled bestseller. Over the course of a century and a half, it went through some twenty-five editions, with the last synodal editions appearing until 1861. It was never formally approved as a textbook, but due to the lack of alternatives, it was used in seminaries, schools, and at home by statesmen and even 18th-century historians, including Lomonosov himself, who relied on the "Synopsis" in his work on Russian history. Whatever found its way onto the book's pages became the official version of the past for several generations.

The name Chelubey doesn't appear there immediately—and this is evident from the editions themselves. In the first two, 1674 and 1678, Peresvet's rival remains nameless. Chelubey appears only in the third edition, around 1680. This comparison of the editions is the key clue: before the third printing, the name is missing; after, it is. The compiler, apparently, inserted it to enhance the oriental flavor and add resonance to the scene. (See: Peshtich, S. L. "Synopsis" as a Historical Source // Transactions of the Department of Old Russian Literature. Moscow; Leningrad: Publishing House of the USSR Academy of Sciences, 1959. Vol. XV. pp. 284–298.)

Then the circulation took over. Thanks to the huge print runs of the "Synopsis," the name became popular and gradually displaced Tavrul and Temir-murza even from later copies of the "Tale" itself. The printing press proved stronger than the manuscript tradition: one mass-produced edition versus two centuries of monastic copyists, and the copyists lost.

A name from another century and another land


The most curious thing is that the name that was awarded to the Horde man of 1380 apparently has no connection to the Golden Horde.

The most common reconstruction derives it from the Turkic "çelebi," meaning "noble, learned, lord," combined with the title "bey." Literally, it means "noble prince" or "learned lord." There are other versions (for example, that it's simply a Turkic nickname, not a title), so it's worth parsing the name with a grain of salt. But if the main version is correct, the picture is telling.

The title "Chelebi" developed and became established in the Ottoman Empire, in Anatolia, in the 14th and 15th centuries. In the Golden Horde, with its Kipchak-Mongol linguistic layer, such a name is not recorded in the 14th century. Therefore, the name appears anachronistic—both in time and geography.

There's also a semantic inconsistency. In Ottoman tradition, "Çelebi" is an educated prince, poet, or scholar; this was the title of Sultan Bayezid I's sons, Musa and Mehmed Çelebi. It seems odd for this refined literary title to appear on the tip of a spear, in the role of a heavily armed warrior.

Where did the Kyiv monk get this word from? Most likely, from his own time. The late 17th century was the time of the Chyhyryn campaigns and wars with Turkey; names like Çelebi-bey, Islam-Çelebi, and Çelebi-murza constantly appeared in ambassadorial books on Russo-Crimean and Russo-Turkish affairs. Bearers of such names existed, but they all lived after the Battle of Kulikovo and belonged to the Ottoman Empire and the Crimean Khanate, not to Mamai's Horde. The logic is the same as with Tavrul and Temir-murza: the enemy takes its name from the century of its author. Only this time, the name was recorded on the printing press—and so it remained forever.

Frankly, the scribe's motives here have to be partially speculated upon: he left no notes, and we can only reconstruct why he chose "Chelubey" from circumstantial evidence. But the circumstantial evidence is all too consistent.

How the name came to us


Chelubey's image spread more and more widely from Synopsis. First, it was popular print: folk images with captions like "the sinister Pecheneg Chelubey" were printed in large quantities, and this image became the ready-made embodiment of the enemy in the peasant hut. Then it was the school: the authors of 19th-century textbooks, Kaidanov and Ilovaisky, drew on the established synopsis tradition, and the duel entered all anthologies as a symbol of sacrificial heroism.

The 20th century put an end to the situation. Mikhail Avilov's 1943 painting "The Duel of Peresvet and Chelubey," which was widely used in Soviet textbooks, finally cemented both the scene and the name. But that's a separate story about how painting replaces documentation. We'll return to it in the next issue.

Why does a myth need a name?


What really happened on Kulikovo Field? Perhaps it was a real duel, whose name has been erased. Perhaps it was a literary device, growing out of the story of Goliath. But it certainly wasn't Chelubey: that name didn't appear in 1380, nor in the first accounts of the battle.

Pecheneg, Tavrul, Temir-Murza, Chelubey—behind each name are alien fears and the fashions of their era: the faceless foreignness of the steppe, the memory of Batu, the shadow of Tamerlane, the echoes of Turkish wars. The myth didn't need a specific person, it needed a name. And Chelubey was simply lucky to be born in the era of the printing press: therefore, of all the enemy's names, it was he who settled in school textbooks and on the wall with Avilov's reproduction.
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  1. +1
    14 June 2026 04: 24
    And in another five thousand years, perhaps they will talk about the Ukrainian hero Usik, who stood alongside the Chelubeys and Mamais and against Russian aggression. laughing
    It is not for nothing that one of the great scientists said:
    -A science that is not based on mathematics cannot be considered a science!
    History is like this...
    1. +2
      14 June 2026 11: 22
      Five thousand years? You're exaggerating. In the next edition, "The History of Ukraine from Pyramid Builder Ramzesenko to Cosmonaut Gagarenko"
      1. 0
        17 June 2026 05: 38
        Quote: belost79
        Already in the next edition, "The History of Ukraine from the Pyramid Builder Ramzesenko to the Cosmonaut Gagarenko"

        Perhaps in 5 years “from the blockhead Kravchuk to the loser Zelensky”....
    2. 0
      15 June 2026 11: 45
      Well, yeah—and attempts to tie history to mathematics start screaming about the amateurs of Fomenko and Nosov. People have written hundreds of works and monographs—and you start scaring them with mathematics ;)
  2. +5
    14 June 2026 04: 43
    Quote: pudelartemon
    And in another five thousand years, they might be talking about the Ukrainian hero Usik.
    Most likely, they will talk about the hero Klitschko, who defeated the damned Muscovite and sat down to reign in Kyiv. wink
  3. 0
    14 June 2026 07: 36
    Gorbachev, Yeltsin, and Rostropovich, who welcomed the "Rome Meeting" conference, welcomed it also because among the participants and signatories was not only Bukovsky but also Astafyev. This is the same writer Astafyev who refuted the story of Alexander Matrosov's heroic deed and "proved" that it actually never happened, that Matrosov accidentally slid from the roof of a pillbox right onto the barrel of a German machine gun and was shot. A human body falling onto a machine gun barrel is immediately thrown back by the bullets, causing no harm to the crew, and the machine gun continues firing.
    What's with this bunker and machine gun? Right at the beginning of perestroika, the Ukrainians from Dnepropetrovsk "proved" that Red Army soldier Alexander Matrosov wasn't Alexander Matrosov at all, but the thug Shakiryan Mukhamedyanov!!! I'm too lazy to list all the "researchers" and "exposers" who foamed at the mouth "proved" that there was no Young Guard in Krasnodon and that Kosmodemyanskaya was a fanatical terrorist-saboteur, but not a partisan. And this is only 50 years after the events!!! So it's much easier and simpler for the author of the article to "prove" to us (almost 650 years have passed, after all) that the Russian state is not worthy of Peresvet, since he (according to such "researchers") fought against someone who never really existed – Chelubey!!!
    1. +1
      15 June 2026 08: 00
      Quote: North 2
      It is much easier and simpler for the author of the article to “prove” to us (after all, almost 650 years have passed) that the Russian state is not worthy of Peresvet, since he (according to such “researchers”) fought with someone who did not actually exist - with Chelubey!!!

      The author of this article fails to grasp that history isn't just an object for laboratory manipulation, but the living memory of the people. And so, they can attempt to expose and dismiss all the heroes—not just Matrosov and Peresvet, but Susanin and Minin as well. They claim either they didn't exist, or they did, but they were the wrong people and did completely different things. But this isn't historical analysis; it's sacrilege, for the people's memory is sacred.
  4. +4
    14 June 2026 07: 50
    Quote: north 2
    And this is only 50 years after the events!!! So it is much easier and simpler for the author of the article to "prove" to us (after all, almost 650 years have passed) that the Russian state is not worthy of Peresvet, since he (according to such "researchers") fought with someone who did not actually exist - with Chelubey!!!

    Nowhere in the article did I write that Peresvet didn't exist or that he was unworthy—on the contrary. I'm only talking about the enemy's name: Chelubey was listed in a 1680s book, but he wasn't present at the battle itself. This doesn't diminish Peresvet's feat in any way; the only questionable aspect is the plaque with the enemy's name.
  5. +2
    14 June 2026 09: 15
    My grandmother used to scare my sister with the name "Zyuzyuka." Some say it was from Dudenev's army.

    If a language absorbs everything, then bookish language is worse.
    1. +1
      14 June 2026 21: 49
      I'll risk suggesting an alternative version! laughing
      1. 0
        15 June 2026 06: 19
        The cartoon was later released.
        And so, of course, this version has a right to exist.

        I showed it to the children with pleasure.
    2. +1
      15 June 2026 01: 06
      The scribes apparently didn't invent Tavrul, but borrowed it. A name with the same sound appears in the Hypatian Chronicle under 1240, during the storming of Kyiv by Batu Khan's troops.


      It first appeared in the "Tale of the Destruction of Ryazan" as the name of the son of Batu's brother-in-law, the ata-temen (Mongolian for thousand-man) Khos Tovrul, who fell at the hands of Evpatiy Kolovrat.
      And he sent his brother-in-law's son, the ataman* Khostovrul, with Kugens*, against Evpatiy, with a multitude of Tatar troops. Khostovrul boasted to Batya Khan that he would bring Evpatiy back alive. And they surrounded all the great Tatar forces, wanting to capture Evpatiy alive. Khostovrul engaged in single combat with Evpatiy. Evpatiy, a strong hero, cut Khostovrul in two up to the saddle.

      Note - *ata-temen (Mongolian - thousander)
      *kyugen (Mongolian - thousand)
      1. 0
        15 June 2026 01: 08
        "The Tale of the Sacking of Ryazan by Batu Khan in the Year 6745 (1237)" is a work of Old Russian literature dedicated to the capture of Ryazan by the Mongol-Tatars in December 1237. It is part of the Ryazan cycle of tales about Nikolai Zarazsky. According to scholars, it is considered one of the best works of Old Russian literature after "The Tale of Igor's Campaign."
        1. 0
          15 June 2026 01: 13
          *ata-temen (Mongolian - thousander)

          Ata-temen - the head of a thousand in the Mongol-Tatar army - is this where the Russian ataman originates?
      2. +1
        15 June 2026 01: 24
        HostTovrul

        According to D.S. Likhachev, the son of Batu's brother-in-law, KhosTovrul, was not called Tovrul, but Khos (Khosh or Khosh), and Tavrul, this is either a family nickname, or some kind of special mark of distinction (tavrul in translation from Mongolian means falcon)
      3. +1
        15 June 2026 06: 21
        I encountered this name in Yuri Vronsky's "Evil City" as a child.
  6. -4
    14 June 2026 10: 38
    Churchill said: "It is not known what the Russians will find in their history."
    Author, why do you care about names? Americans don't delve into their history! They make it.
    1. -1
      14 June 2026 11: 26
      Quote: Yur Nic
      Americans don't dig into their history! They make it.

      We know, we know... we've seen... Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, the box is full of "made" stories :)
      P.S. And only a couple of idiots gathered to celebrate the 250th anniversary of American independence, led by the non-American Trump, instead of getting down to business :))
      There, it's just independence and civil war, there are no other stories of their own, so they try everywhere in the area for the benefit of progressive humanity, to enrich...
  7. -3
    14 June 2026 12: 09
    Quote: Rodez
    There, it’s just independence and civil war, there are no other stories of their own,
    How is it not?
    And what about the history of the automobile industry, which gave a powerful impetus to the development of mass production of cars throughout the world?
    And what about the history of the aviation industry? I'm not even talking about the development of science.

    And we only have fairytale Peresvets and Ruriks, and the most outstanding world achievements are the victory in the Great Patriotic War and space (which is now in stagnation).
    It is only modestly kept silent that this victory was achieved with the help of the allies of the USA and England.
    1. 0
      14 June 2026 12: 46
      Quote: Lewww
      We only have fairytale Peresvets and Ruriks

      but you yourself wrote it with your own hand:

      Quote: Lewww
      What about the history of the aviation industry? I'm not even talking about the development of science.

      :)
      but the point wasn't that, it was that the Americans "don't care" about their history...
  8. -1
    14 June 2026 18: 32
    IMHO, it's just a fabrication. Neither the church nor the authorities have ever particularly sought the truth.
    And for the indulgence of the Ego - Chelubey, Temir-murza, and others will do...
  9. -1
    14 June 2026 22: 59
    All it takes is to trivialize the legend and discredit school education. This is the essence of modern postmodernist scholarship: to refute, expose, and deconstruct. And the result is a history that deprives the people of history. Moreover, artists who paint pictures of the Battle of Kulikovo and teachers who teach about it are declared liars. And the result is a nihilist, a potential relocator, because nothing is sacred to him anymore. IMHO
    1. +1
      15 June 2026 10: 42
      History in school, specifically the history of the Ancient World and the Middle Ages, is full of such contradictions that poor students easily baffled their teachers.
      The most controversial fact is how the Crusaders could have set out to liberate the Holy Sepulchre a thousand years later. It's like going to Mongolia today and demanding the return of tribute for 300 years of oppression.
      The only difference between Soviet times and today is that the Soviet teacher said that the ruins of Carthage have not been discovered in Africa, Schliemann's gold is more likely a fake than a historical fact, ancient Troy has not been discovered, the Venus de Milo statue is a fake, and that the excavated treasures of Tutankhamun are questionable.
      The problem is, I have the opposite opinion. There's nothing sacred about someone who acknowledged the forgeries of the late 19th and early 20th centuries and tries to convince others of their authenticity.
      History isn't science if it ignores research into the age of the Shroud of Turin and the Gifts of the Magi. It operates on the principle, "If the facts contradict my theory, so much the worse for the facts."
    2. 0
      15 June 2026 11: 38
      Well, yes, the artist who depicted the prince with a PPSh should be awarded medals—various and beautiful ones—then there won't be any relocators, in your opinion? The truth must be told, no matter what it is. Honesty in dealing with people is the key to loyalty.
    3. 0
      17 June 2026 05: 43
      Quote: Ivanenko_Alexey
      Just to vulgarize the legend and discredit school education.

      History is the most applied science. It should teach people to distinguish between lies and truth, not memorize patriotic facts or even myths.
      1. -1
        17 June 2026 11: 09
        History is a set of facts that are shaped and organized based on one's ideological position. History cannot be objective for one simple reason: it deals with human subjectivity. And if a historian's intention is to expose patriotism, then they are not seeking the truth, but rather seeking to induce historical amnesia and destroy the people's memory.
        1. 0
          17 June 2026 14: 22
          Quote: Ivanenko_Alexey
          History cannot be objective for one simple reason: it deals with human subjectivity.

          If history isn't objective, then it's not a science, but something else entirely. The same assessments and methods we use to compare the genetics of Mendel and Vavilov with Michurin's teachings of genetics, or to assess the philosophical works of Academician Mitin for plagiarism, are applicable to history. Then, young graduate students, tired of Mitin's lordly prodding and abandoning Marxism-Leninism, assessed the works of the orthodox Stalinist Mitin for plagiarism and came to a discouraging conclusion. Mitin simply copied the works of modern Western philosophers and published them in revised form without citing the original source. Folk memory is useful when asking how to act in a similar situation. But the folk traditions of a rural community don't lead to optimal actions, for example, in scientific research, diplomatic negotiations with an Eastern supplier, complex production, or the study of the exact sciences. My great-grandfather's folk tradition, "Hold on to the plow and you won't be lost," was based on the idea that studying was a waste of time and should be avoided. My grandfather rejected this tradition by training to be a driver, which saved his family during collectivization and the war. My great-grandfather's grandchildren have all received higher or secondary specialized education. Read, for example, the book "Secrets of Falsification" by V.P. Kozlov, and you'll gain a deeper understanding of history as an exact and objective science. Incidentally, after reading this book, you'll understand when folk tradition is truly helpful and when it's ineffective.
          1. 0
            18 June 2026 09: 45
            Social phenomena are fundamentally different from biological ones. To claim otherwise is to adhere to an anti-scientific biologization. The natural sciences are fundamentally different from the social sciences. And yet, history can be considered a science, since it involves the accumulation and systematization of information. The prohibition on plagiarism is a general ethical requirement prohibiting deception and appropriation of someone else's property. This applies to science only as a special case of the application of ethics, but is by no means a fundamental principle of scientific knowledge. Plagiarism is also prohibited in fiction.
            1. 0
              18 June 2026 10: 56
              Quote: Ivanenko_Alexey
              Social phenomena are fundamentally different from biological ones.

              Academician Moiseyev used mathematical methods to study the Peloponnesian War back in the 1970s. His mathematical analysis revealed the reasons behind the Athenians' suicidal Sicilian campaign. Today, mathematics creates algorithms that inform advertising campaigns, and AI plans military tactics.
  10. BAI
    0
    15 June 2026 00: 13
    The Chronicle Tale of the Battle of Kulikovo is published based on the 16th-century Novgorod Karamzin Chronicle (RNB, F. IV, 603). Corrections were made based on the Golitsyn copy of the first edition of the Novgorod Fourth Chronicle (RNB, Q. XVII, 62).
    there is no duel.
    The troops rushed into battle as soon as they saw each other.
    And at the sixth hour of the day, the pagan Ishmaelites appeared in the field—and the field was open and vast. And then the Tatar regiments lined up against the Christians, and the regiments met. And, seeing each other, the great forces advanced, and the earth rumbled, the mountains and hills shook from the countless multitude of warriors. And they drew their weapons—double-edged in their hands.
  11. 0
    15 June 2026 11: 34
    It's interesting - everyone understands that this is all 100% fiction - they even track the changes (and they're not just in names) and still consider it accurate. No 14th-century manuscript will survive to the 16th century, and most of the "manuscripts" were found in lists by Musin-Pushkin - a sort of Ostap Bender of those years.
  12. VlK
    0
    15 June 2026 11: 45
    And the scene is constructed according to a recognizable matrix. A giant alien with a long spear steps before the line and challenges them to combat; he is answered not by the strongest, but by the most righteous; the strongman perishes, and his fall determines the outcome. This is the framework of the story of David and Goliath, transferred to Russian soil. The ancient Russian scribe thought in Scripture.

    Why is it precisely the biblical myth, the earlier Russian chronicles tell of the duel between Mstislav and Rededya, and between Jan Usmar and the Pecheneg, and in the heroic cycle of legends the challenge of a duel and the subsequent duel of heroes is generally an indispensable motif, clearly reflecting existing practice.
    1. 0
      17 June 2026 05: 50
      Quote: VlK
      Earlier Russian chronicles tell of a duel between Mstislav and Rededya

      I heard the story of the duel between Rededya and Mstislav in the Circassian version. In their legends, it sounds completely different. The Circassians came to rob the Russians, and the Russians fielded an army. It was decided that the two warriors would fight unarmed, barehanded. If the Circassians won, the Russians would become slaves. If the Russians won, the Circassians would leave. Mstislav pulled a knife from his boot and stabbed Rededya to death. In the Circassian version, it sounded like the Russians were dishonest, which allows them to be reviled, but they did not submit, and that is their undoubted valor.
      1. VlK
        0
        17 June 2026 12: 28
        Why Circassians, if in the chronicles they say Kasogs?
        Our version, in my humble opinion, seems more logical: the troop leaders put their power, lives, and property on the line before the battle (and a ruler's property is everything he owns—land, tribute, etc., not just personal property). Ours won, throwing his opponent to the ground, and then took his life, as agreed. Judging by the fact that the Kassog army accepted this outcome, there was no question of dishonesty or breach of agreement. The prince stabbed Rededya to death AFTER his victory, not during the battle—he was within his rights.
        1. 0
          17 June 2026 15: 14
          Quote: VlK
          Why Circassians, if in the chronicles they say Kasogs?

          This is the view in the village of Ulyap. Russian chronicles also refer to Slavs, not Rusichi, Russians, or Rossii. Novgorodians began to identify themselves as Russians only around the 14th century, according to Academician Zaliznyak. The Russian AI Alisa claims it began as early as the 11th century.
          Quote: VlK
          there was no talk of any dishonesty or breach of agreement

          The histories of different nations interpret well-known events differently. The French believe they routed the Russian army at Borodino, losing approximately 26,000 men, according to Berthier's report to Napoleon. Historian Nechkina asserts that Berthier falsified this staff document for Napoleon, and, according to her "accurate" estimates, the French lost 60,000 soldiers at Borodino.
          Quote: VlK
          The prince stabbed Rededya to death AFTER his victory

          If Rededya had been alive and they had started cutting him down, he would have inevitably continued the fight out of self-preservation. The Ukrainians were only able to capture two North Koreans, unconscious, with arms or legs severed. In hand-to-hand combat, victory over a motivated opponent comes only after his death.
          1. VlK
            0
            17 June 2026 15: 34
            Russian chronicles also refer to Slavs, not Rusichi, Russians, or Rossii. Novgorodians began to identify themselves as Russians only around the 14th century, according to Academician Zaliznyak. The Russian AI Alisa claims it began as early as the 11th century.

            What kind of Slavs are we talking about? If the hero of the chronicle is clearly Mstislav Vladimirovich the Brave—brother of Yaroslav the Wise, son of Vladimir the Baptist, grandson of Svyatoslav Igorevich—that is, a genuine Russian prince—a fourth-generation Rurikid—why mix in the development of national identity during the formation of the centralized Muscovite state? These are completely different processes in time and content.
            If Rededya had been alive and they had started cutting him down, he would have inevitably continued the fight out of self-preservation. The Ukrainians were only able to capture two North Koreans, unconscious, with arms or legs severed. In hand-to-hand combat, victory over a motivated opponent comes only after his death.

            Almost all competitions in traditional folk wrestling (including Russian forms and kuresh in its variations) were held until the opponent fell to the ground; there was no ground fighting. Consequently, victory in a bout was determined by this action. Furthermore, the chronicle mentions Mstislav lifting his opponent and "slamming him to the ground"—after such a fall, it's not at all certain that the opponent would be able to continue resisting—in which case victory would be automatically confirmed.
            However, one should not approach the assessment of past events with modern morality - there will be errors in understanding with a very high degree of probability.
            1. 0
              18 June 2026 00: 02
              Quote: VlK
              Almost any competition in traditional folk wrestling (including Russian types and kuresh in its varieties) was held until the opponent fell to the ground,

              Why confuse hand-to-hand combat with sport? When Slavs clashed with nomads, the Slavs sought to exterminate as many of them as possible, while the nomads sought to kill all the brave men and sell the women and cowardly men into slavery. The Circassian version has merit. Victory in a war with nomads is marked by the seizure of their territory and strict state control over the people, where slave traders and bandits are executed for attempting to engage in such activities. This is what Russia did with the Tatar, Caucasian, and Central Asian hordes. Relations with the Germans are essentially described by the same algorithm. Historically, there are seven versions of the formation of the Russian state, and there are always historians who defend a particular version. Take the events in Ukraine: Russians consider the war just because they are defending their dignity, their compatriots' right to basic freedoms, and they strive to destroy a hostile state on their borders. Ukrainians believe that if neo-Nazi forces openly won an election once, they have the right to turn Russians into powerless slaves and bully or kill them, leaving them no chance for either democratic political struggle or armed resistance. Understanding the mood of the intelligentsia in the Caucasus and Central Asia is useful. Their culture, written and oral traditions are in no way inferior to those of European nations; they are simply their own.
  13. +2
    15 June 2026 17: 32
    "Napoleon" is a myth and a solar symbol and never existed (French physicist and mathematician Jean-Baptiste Perez)

    Chelubey did not exist (Lev Sobin)

    Lev, stop messing around with Fomenkoism!
  14. 0
    18 June 2026 22: 20
    Very interesting, thanks for the article. I should also add that the Kulikovo Field museum complex stands where nothing existed before. The battlefield wasn't discovered long ago; it's located elsewhere.