AK-74 and the 5,45 cartridge: truth and myths about the "small caliber"

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AK-74 and the 5,45 cartridge: truth and myths about the "small caliber"


В last time We parted ways with the conclusion that the Kalashnikov assault rifle chambered for the 7,62×39 cartridge eventually reached its limits: the cartridge had reached its limits and no longer met new requirements. The rifle itself was good, no doubt about it. But the cartridge, which had been an excellent solution to the problems of the late 1940s, had begun to fall behind by the 1970s. And military thinking swung in a direction that initially seemed illogical: not toward a larger caliber, but toward a smaller one. Why this was necessary and why so many myths grew around the new cartridge deserve a separate examination.



What's the problem with 7,62×39?


The 1943 model cartridge was a solid middling performer: powerful enough to work reliably at real combat ranges, and compact enough to weapon Bursts of fire were fired under him. But every compromise comes at a price, and here there were three downsides.


First, there's recoil. The bullet is heavy, and the impulse is noticeable: the barrel tilts up as the shots fire, and the second or third round misses the target. Maintaining a tight grouping on automatic fire is challenging even for a trained soldier. Second, there's weight. A cartridge isn't a featherweight, and a soldier has to carry hundreds of them, and every extra gram translates into either a burden on the back or missing rounds in the pouch. And finally, there's trajectory: at medium ranges, a heavy and relatively slow bullet flies in a noticeable arc, requiring careful range adjustments to avoid a miss.

None of these points made the 7,62×39 a bad one. It's still in use around the world today. But when the idea of ​​how to circumvent all three limitations emerged, armies seized on it.

The Americans are first in the series: 5,56 and M16


The idea was first brought to mass production in the United States. It sounded almost paradoxical: take a smaller, lighter caliber bullet, but accelerate it much faster. In English, the approach was called SCHV—Small Caliber, High Velocity.


What did this mean? A light bullet is easier to accelerate to high speed, and a fast bullet flies flatter: the trajectory arc is straightened, making it easier to hit without complex adjustments. A light cartridge has less recoil, meaning a burst is easier to maintain and more concentrated. And ammunition capacity: the same rounds can now be carried significantly more with the same load. This is how the M16 rifle chambered for the 5,56×45 cartridge came into service.

However, everything was smooth only on paper. Early M16s failed in Vietnam, and the rifle's reputation initially suffered. But the small-caliber concept itself wasn't the cause. The propellant powder failed: contrary to the original design, the cartridges were loaded with a different composition, which produced more carbon deposits and increased the rate of fire. Furthermore, soldiers were led to believe the rifle was practically self-cleaning; cleaning kits were inadequately issued, and the dirty mechanism jammed. Over time, all of this was addressed: propellant requirements were refined, the barrel and chamber were chromed, cleaning supplies were distributed, and soldiers were retrained. And the idea of ​​a low-impulse cartridge proved its worth, and it was closely monitored on the other side of the ocean.

The Soviet Response: 5,45×39 and the AK-74


The USSR appreciated this approach and followed its own path. The result was the 5,45×39 cartridge and the AK-74 assault rifle chambered for it, adopted into service in 1974.


Structurally, the AK-74 remains recognizably a Kalashnikov: the same reliable, proven base, the same automatic logic. The primary changes were the cartridge and everything associated with it. A light, sharp-nosed bullet, high muzzle velocity, and a flat trajectory—essentially, everything they were aiming for. The AK-74's burst accuracy has improved significantly compared to its predecessor, recoil has softened, and the ammunition capacity has increased.

The bullet itself also had its own unique feature. A small cavity was left inside it, in the nose. This detail will be discussed further, as it is the source of the most persistent myth about the 5,45 cartridge.


The "off-center bullet" myth


If you've ever heard anything about the 5,45 cartridge, it's almost certainly something like this: it has a "bullet with an offset center of gravity" that "deliberately tumbles through the body," "zigzags," and enters the arm and exits the leg. It sounds ominous and very popular. There's so much mixed in here that it's worth separating fact from fiction.

Let me start by saying that there's some truth to this horror story. Light, high-velocity, small-caliber bullets behave differently in dense media than heavy, slow-moving ones. Upon impact with tissue, such a bullet tends to lose stability: it turns sideways, tumbles, and sometimes deforms. Because of this, it releases energy across a large volume of tissue at once, rather than gradually and evenly across the entire bore. This effect is real, and it's not unique to the 5,45: the same phenomenon is observed with the 5,56 and other small-caliber, high-velocity cartridges. This is a general feature of the concept itself, not a secret quirk of a single cartridge.

Here, it's worth making a disclaimer about the cavity in the nose. Its role in popular belief has been greatly exaggerated. The flipping behavior of a small-caliber bullet is determined primarily by its high velocity and geometry; the cavity merely shifts the bullet's center of gravity rearward, closer to the tail. And the further rearward the center of gravity, the more easily the oncoming pressure of a dense medium flips the bullet sideways upon impact. This doesn't interfere with flight: the bullet is stabilized by the spin of the rifling. So there is a grain of truth in the name—the bullet's center of gravity is indeed shifted. But this is only part of the mechanism, not its primary cause.

But then the fiction begins. There's no "zigzag across the body," no "entered the shoulder and exited the heel" pattern in reality. Tumbling is a loss of stability within the wound channel, not a controlled bullet travel through the body. The bullet doesn't "seek out organs" or veer of its own accord. And its center of gravity isn't shifted out of cunning; it's a result of the lightweight, flat-shooting bullet's design, without any malicious intent. The effect, in short, is real, but in the retellings it's been exaggerated to the point of semi-mystical.

What was won and what was paid?


But the honest result is this: there were both gains and losses.

The upside is what it all started for: softer recoil and better burst control. A flatter trajectory and easier aiming at medium ranges. A lighter cartridge and more ammunition for the same load.

But the bill has arrived. A light bullet is more easily deflected by a soft, viscous obstacle: when it hits branches or dense bushes, it loses stability and veers off course more noticeably than a heavy one. (On hard obstacles, like steel plates, things aren't so clear-cut: thanks to its high velocity and strong core, the 5,45 is often on par with the 7,62.) And the debate over the stopping power and penetrating power of the 5,45 versus the 7,62 has raged for decades, with each camp offering its own arguments and combat experience.

So the question of "which caliber is better" isn't answered head-on. These are simply different compromises for different tasks. The 7,62×39 offers power and more confident penetration; the 5,45×39 boasts flatness, a controlled burst, and extra rounds in the pouch. The army chose the second set of priorities in the 1970s, and there was a logic to it.

What happened next


The AK-74 became the main assault rifle for a long time, but story The family didn't stop there. Modernizations would follow, all the way to the modern AK-12. And at the same time, the old debate would return: the 7,62 caliber would once again prove useful in a number of applications, and a definitive "winner" in the caliber standoff would never be declared.
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  2. + 18
    14 June 2026 06: 37
    Everything is to the point, brief, but informative.
    1. +5
      14 June 2026 12: 16
      Quote: TELEMARK
      Everything is to the point, brief, but informative.
      Everything is on point, except for the "Myth of the 'Off-Center-of-Gravity Bullet'." I encountered cartridges with this bullet in Afghanistan (1983-1985). According to a soldier, zinc-wrapped packs of them were still available until 1984, but later they were replaced with ones with a normal center of gravity. It's unclear why there's so much fuss about this bullet, given that it was used in combat for several years, and anyone interested in its design should have such cartridges available. I disassembled this bullet. I filed the jacket and removed it from the lead core. The core is a small lead cylinder (about 2/3 the length of the bullet, offset rearward, with an empty tip) with four longitudinal vanes: one high, two much lower, and one almost invisible. In other words, the high vane presses the lead core against the wall of the jacket. This bullet's center of gravity is shifted both rearward and sideways, causing the bullet's tip to constantly wander. Naturally, if it catches on something, it will turn in that direction. Soldiers reported that this bullet heats up the rifle barrel much faster than a standard bullet. Previously, when this bullet wasn't a secret, its characteristics were published in magazines (for example, "Modelist-Konstruktor"). It was mentioned that the 7,62(39) bullet had a fatality rate of over 30 percent when it hit a human, while the 5,45 bullet, with its shifted center of gravity, had a fatality rate of over 90 percent.
      Incidentally, when the Americans first introduced 5,56 caliber cartridges, the bullet also tumbled after hitting its target (to inflict greater damage upon impact with the enemy). However, they achieved this by using a very steep rifling in the barrel, which meant that the bullet, upon leaving the barrel, flew at the edge of its stability and only lost its stability upon impact with the target. Over time, the rifling in their M16s was replaced with a steeper rifling, eliminating this effect.
      1. +3
        14 June 2026 13: 14
        The AK-74 also has a flatter barrel rifling than the AKM. Let's compare the muzzle velocity of 5.45 and 7.62 (X39). The AK-74 has a higher muzzle velocity and expends less energy on rotation around the longitudinal axis, which allows for increased muzzle velocity and flatness. And yes, the reduced rotation rate reduces bullet stability, making it more likely to ricochet and tumble when hitting soft tissue (essentially a dum-dum).
        1. +2
          15 June 2026 15: 57
          The AKM has a 240mm twist rate, the AK74 has a 200mm twist rate. Just for reference.
          1. +1
            15 June 2026 20: 10
            Here, we need to take into account the difference in velocity and bullet shape. The 5,45x39mm is understabilized (and this was done intentionally, as they were concerned about the caliber's low lethality). The ballistic calculator gives an optimal pitch of 178 mm, but the AK-12 (again, twenty-five) has a pitch of 200 m and a barrel length of 415 mm, like the AKM (and the optimal barrel length is selected to suit the cartridge).
            1. 0
              15 June 2026 22: 39
              The AKS-74U has a 180mm pitch. All low-impulse rifles are on the verge of stability. The pitch is chosen considering the different bullets that will be used (Taser, armor-piercing, and conventional), so that's why they chose this pitch. The SVD also had a 320mm pitch, but eventually switched to 240mm. This slightly reduced accuracy, but allowed the use of armor-piercing bullets.
      2. -1
        15 June 2026 20: 20
        Interestingly, my writing currently has six downvotes and not a single argument that they disagree with. I'm not just writing from someone else's words, or from hearsay: I've held this bullet in my hands, disassembled it, and described how it works. What's wrong? Besides, there are already six of us, all with the same mindset (clicking the downvote button is enough, but not for arguments).
        1. -1
          15 June 2026 21: 18
          It's ridiculous to read such a specialist's opus. The core isn't lead. It's made of a dark gray alloy. The picture says "hard alloy," which theoretically means tungsten carbide. To save money, it could have been a different material. The lead is only in the form of a thin shell, if it's present at all.
          1. -2
            15 June 2026 23: 17
            Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
            The picture says hard alloy, ....
            You shouldn't fantasize, but simply read about what I write, if you decided to comment on me, and not take a picture from an article and add my text to it.
        2. +1
          15 June 2026 23: 24
          The first 5.45mm bullets did indeed have a cavity in the front. Upon impact, the tip would collapse sideways. The cavity was purely technological in origin. It wasn't intentionally created. It didn't possess any outstanding lethal properties. If sclerosis remains the same, it was called the 7N6. It was soon replaced by more advanced bullets without the cavity and with better penetrating properties.
  3. +4
    14 June 2026 07: 22
    M.T. Kalashnikov after adopting the AK74: "The potential of the 7,62 caliber is far from exhausted."
    1. + 18
      14 June 2026 09: 23
      All supporters of 7,62 suddenly switch to the camp of adherents of 5,45 as soon as the command is heard: “- Take three sets of ammunition and go to the field!”
      1. +1
        14 June 2026 11: 47
        It seems to me that in equipment it is not so much the weight of the BC that plays a role, but the volume.
      2. +3
        14 June 2026 12: 03
        It's a philosophical question. For example, a BR3+ plate, as claimed by many manufacturers, that can withstand a 5.45mm non-armor-piercing round at 10 meters, weighs 1.7 kg (extended) and 2.8 kg (standard). A BR4 plate, however, that can withstand 7.62x39mm rounds, weighs around 2.5 kg (extended). That's a minimum of two kilograms for a given protection class. That's without the cummerbund plates.

        So, the 7.62 caliber forces the enemy to carry unnecessary equipment, right? It's just that we have weapons chambered for it, while the enemy basically doesn't.
        1. -2
          14 June 2026 12: 33
          "So, the 7.62 caliber forces the enemy to carry extra weight, right?"
          The enemy is carrying a 5,56. And you need to look at the plates against this caliber. Or better yet, a 7,62x51.
          1. +1
            14 June 2026 13: 12
            According to BR5, 7,62x51 slabs generally weigh around 3.5... It's a bit heavy, especially if you're getting on in years.
            1. +3
              14 June 2026 13: 55
              What can you say? War is for the young.
              1. +2
                14 June 2026 14: 13
                Basically, if you assemble the armor yourself, with the correct waistband and a custom fit, it's perfectly bearable. Although, yes, I personally wouldn't be able to run around in it for long. Mine weighs over 12 kilos. It's way too much. But that's with BR5 plates.
                1. -2
                  14 June 2026 14: 39
                  There was a video on YouTube about our special forces, like Alpha. A suit with maximum protection weighed 90 kg. It's worth noting that the soldier in this suit didn't go against the terrorists empty-handed.
                  Of course, this suit has a rather narrow niche for its application.
                  1. -4
                    15 June 2026 09: 33
                    The maximum protection suit weighed 90 kg? Of course, you didn't have lice or hazing in Afghanistan. But that's clearly too much.
                    1. -2
                      15 June 2026 10: 30
                      Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
                      Did the suit with maximum protection weigh 90 kg?
                      Exactly. The reporter asked again about the weight, and the same figure was mentioned again.

                      Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
                      Of course, you didn't have lice or hazing in Afghanistan.
                      This isn't the first time you've written about lice and hazing in a technical thread. If lice are so important to you, that's your business, but you shouldn't be writing about weapons in a technical thread.
                      1. 0
                        15 June 2026 21: 21
                        Anyone who claims there were no lice or hazing in Afghanistan can't be trusted—that's the point. He's a complete windbag.
                      2. -2
                        15 June 2026 22: 25
                        Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
                        Anyone who claims there were no lice or hazing in Afghanistan can't be trusted—that's the point. He's a complete windbag.

                        Sergey Alexandrovich, and you are a liar (I can’t find another word for you).
                        Please support your claims with my quote (or a link to it).
                      3. 0
                        16 June 2026 09: 07
                        Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
                        To the man who claims there were no lice and no hazing in Afghanistan

                        Quote: Bad_gr
                        Please support your claims with my quote (or a link to it).

                        And in response, silence. To make a statement, you need to know the subject, and I have no idea about the lice problem in Afghanistan or about hazing, since neither of these things have ever affected me personally, and I'm not interested in them.
                        Over the course of two years, I only remember one conversation about lice: it was in Jalalabad, in the Airborne Assault Battalion (I was installing a diesel power plant for a hospital there). The soldier I spoke to said that during combat missions, after combing the villages, the soldiers would pull out all sorts of rags because it was cold outside at night, and as a result, they returned to the unit with lice. This problem was solved in their unit simply: the soldiers were immediately taken to the bathhouse, and all their clothes were steam-treated (special machines with units similar to washing machines, only they worked with steam, not water). I also heard from him that the old-timers took care of the young soldiers during combat missions. Again, this was the only conversation I had on this topic in two years, in that particular unit. I don't know how things were handled in other military units in Afghanistan.
                      4. 0
                        17 June 2026 07: 49
                        Quote: Bad_gr
                        Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
                        To the man who claims there were no lice and no hazing in Afghanistan

                        Quote: Bad_gr
                        Please support your claims with my quote (or a link to it).

                        And in response, silence. To make a statement, you need to know the subject, and I have no idea about the lice problem in Afghanistan or about hazing, since neither of these things have ever affected me personally, and I'm not interested in them.
                        Over the course of two years, I only remember one conversation about lice: it was in Jalalabad, in the Airborne Assault Battalion (I was installing a diesel power plant for a hospital there). The soldier I spoke to said that during combat missions, after combing the villages, the soldiers would pull out all sorts of rags because it was cold outside at night, and as a result, they returned to the unit with lice. This problem was solved in their unit simply: the soldiers were immediately taken to the bathhouse, and all their clothes were steam-treated (special machines with units similar to washing machines, only they worked with steam, not water). I also heard from him that the old-timers took care of the young soldiers during combat missions. Again, this was the only conversation I had on this topic in two years, in that particular unit. I don't know how things were handled in other military units in Afghanistan.

                        We had a guy working for us who fought in Chechnya. He also spoke very sadly about lice.
                  2. -2
                    18 June 2026 01: 59
                    Quote: Bad_gr
                    There was a video on YouTube about our special forces, like Alpha. A suit with maximum protection weighed 90 kg.
                    I looked up special forces protection in the search:
                    Full assault armor set (type "Grot-3V" or "Dublon"): 36 - 40 kgProvides maximum torso protection (class Br6) against rifles and machine guns.
                    Additional armor: A heavy assault helmet (like the Raid-L or ZRSh) weighs about 2,5 - 6 kgThe total weight of the assault shield with a visor (for example, the Vant-VM) is from 25 to 35 kg.
                    + a weapon with ammunition – and you've got yourself a 90 kg (200 lb) load. It's not a suit, as I described, but a protective suit, but whatever you call it, the fighter carries all of that (200 lb) on his person.
      3. +4
        15 June 2026 08: 15
        Quote: belost79
        All supporters of 7,62 suddenly switch to the camp of adherents of 5,45 as soon as the command is heard: “- Take three sets of ammunition and go to the field!”

        And they carried these kits in the mountains and didn't die, and nothing happened. But carrying the Utes in the mountains, that's the problem.
        1. 0
          15 June 2026 10: 35
          Quote: APASUS
          Now, dragging the Cliff through the mountains is a problem.
          What about carrying a mortar through the mountains, with its base plate and cast iron mines?
        2. +1
          15 June 2026 21: 23
          In the mountains, lugging around an automatic grenade launcher and its belt boxes is a hassle. You don't need to carry a cliff.
        3. 0
          16 June 2026 17: 12
          The main problem now is corruption, theft, and nepotism. Also, some "comrades" have been in their positions for too long. Exoskeletons already exist for carrying heavy loads. But due to the aforementioned factors, they are a novelty for the Russian army.
      4. 0
        15 June 2026 20: 30
        Three rounds of ammunition, you say. 120 rounds x 3 = 360 rounds (3,6 kg without magazines), or 450 rounds x 3 = 1350 rounds (13,5 kg without magazines). Does it matter that the AK's barrel isn't designed for more than 180 rounds of continuous fire?
        1. +1
          15 June 2026 21: 25
          Three ammunition loads are certainly too much, but no one is planning to release everything at once.
          The first store is released at once, and then you can start thinking.
  4. +6
    14 June 2026 07: 54
    Perhaps the truth is somewhere in the middle? Say, 6.5x39?

    The 5.45's penetration is debatable, depending on the conditions. For example, shooting at a Zhiguli hull showed that it punched through the near wall smoothly, but the far wall, after penetrating, was hit with a sharp blow. Admittedly, it was a long time ago, so I don't remember the specific cartridge used.
    1. YOU
      +1
      14 June 2026 10: 22
      When I was serving in the army, they shot at a spruce tree, that's what happened. A 7,62 round, about 1,5 times the spruce's circumference, pierced right through. A regular round, and it even went into the tree behind it, so they couldn't dig it out. But the 5,45 round had no exit wound. Overall, it's a good article.
    2. 0
      14 June 2026 11: 40
      Quote: paul3390
      Perhaps the truth is somewhere in the middle? Say, 6.5x39?

      The 5.45's penetration is debatable, depending on the conditions. For example, shooting at a Zhiguli hull showed that it punched through the near wall smoothly, but the far wall, after penetrating, was hit with a sharp blow. Admittedly, it was a long time ago, so I don't remember the specific cartridge used.

      Firing at a Czech "armored car" weighing about 20 kg (a long time ago) showed that the AKMS could penetrate it, but the AKS could not. So it was right that respectable units had different calibers—for different tasks, so to speak. And Kalashnikov himself (I heard it with my own ears, as we had a conversation about it in our training class) was inclined to agree with this.
      1. -1
        14 June 2026 14: 00
        The AKMS can penetrate it, but the AKS can't. So it was right that decent units had different calibers.

        The AKMS and AKS have the same caliber.
        1. +1
          15 June 2026 21: 29
          By AKS, your opponent apparently meant the AKS-74U. I disagree with him on the whole. So be it.
    3. +4
      14 June 2026 12: 12
      Initiative cartridge 6,02x41. AK-22. As an existing variant undergoing testing.
      1. -1
        15 June 2026 06: 07
        Is there any news on this cartridge? Are there any prospects for this caliber? Something was discussed and then silence. Of course, it's a military secret, but the Americans are already pushing, I think, the 6,8.
        1. +1
          15 June 2026 08: 26
          I don't follow the data closely, but I know that case dimensions 2 mm larger than the 43 were considered. The cartridge design was also slightly modified. Testing was conducted on two platforms: the AK-22 and the SVCh. I don't have any more information at this time.
          The advantages of the 5,45 over the 5,56 are lower barrel pressure, which means less gun heating. Significantly.
          It would be interesting to insert an 8,58 bullet into 7,62x39 and 7,62x54R cases. It would provide a significant boost in power for assault rifles.
          1. 0
            15 June 2026 10: 45
            Quote: Izotovp
            It would be interesting to insert an 8,58 bullet into 7,62x39 and 7,62x54R cases. It would provide a significant boost in power for assault rifles.
            The 9x39 is in service (SP-5, SP-6, PAB-9, SPP, BP), for weapons with silencers (VSS Vintorez, AS Val, AK-9, VSK-94, SR-3 Vikhr, AMB-17)
          2. +1
            15 June 2026 12: 52
            It makes sense to squeeze 8,58 into 54R, in 76,2 format it’s already killer, but for the handbrake, something needs to be changed.
            1. 0
              15 June 2026 15: 12
              The 8,58 bullet has better ballistics than our 9.
              Increased power through minor upgrades.
              SP and PAB cartridges for special weapons.
              8,58x39 and 8,58x54 would be cartridges for general-purpose weapons. Essentially, they're analogous to the .338 BLK and .338 Federal. Weapons chambered for the same receiver are used in assault rifles, sniper rifles, and machine guns.
  5. 0
    14 June 2026 08: 03
    Well done, author. Any solution is a set of compromises. The M16 and its "grandson," the M4, are quite good weapons. The cartridge is slightly more powerful, and the accuracy and grouping are slightly better. However, not so much that it would make you lose heart. Our weapons are good. They do the job.
    1. 0
      14 June 2026 20: 38
      The M16/M4 only has better accuracy in single shots. And even then, it's not fatal. But the AK-74 performs slightly better in short bursts. Popenker discussed this on his YouTube channel and showed the test results.
  6. +8
    14 June 2026 08: 26
    As an Afghan veteran and a very bright person said, when they had to fire on villages, everyone chose the 7.62 caliber, and it destroyed them well.
    This is from real experience.
    1. +1
      15 June 2026 09: 41
      Is this really from actual combat experience? Fire on villages with a 7,62mm? On clay or stone walls? What was it good at destroying, clay fences? 11 upvotes for that?
      Only special forces with silent-shooting devices had the 7,62mm. Everyone else had the 5,45mm. What other choice?
  7. 0
    14 June 2026 08: 43
    They guarded warehouses in the taiga. The Kalashnikovs were 7,62mm, as it was harder to shoot accurately with a 5,45mm in the forest (bushes, branches).
    And even now, probably, for fighting in green areas, 7.62 is preferable.
    1. +8
      14 June 2026 09: 47
      I doubt the 7,62 was issued to guards in the taiga simply because it was more effective in the brush than the 5,45. More likely, the 5,45 was primarily issued to front-line units, while rear-line guards at warehouses might have been issued the SKS.
  8. +2
    14 June 2026 09: 24
    It was interesting to watch the night firefight. The 5,45 is immediately visible from the tracers, as the round changes trajectory and goes up after hitting the first obstacle. So, I'm not sure how accurate the penetration charts for obstacles like wood, brick, and parapets are for it.
    1. +2
      14 June 2026 12: 12
      Quote: Puncher
      It was interesting to watch night shootout..

      At night, you can’t see what it’s bouncing off of and at what angle it’s coming to that surface. wink But the tables are compiled under completely different conditions; everything is calculated there.
      1. 0
        14 June 2026 17: 34
        Quote from cpls22
        You can't see it at night

        Tracers were all loaded every two or three
        1. +2
          14 June 2026 18: 13
          Quote: Puncher

          Tracers were all loaded every two or three

          The bullets are visible, but the nature of the obstacle is not. If the surface is nearly horizontal, such as the top of a parapet, then this ricochet trajectory will naturally prevail when fired upon.
      2. 0
        15 June 2026 06: 23
        The video was from our mobile task force, armed with a ZU 2-23, PKM, RPD. belay , tracers fly, some into the forest, some for firewood, because the tracer burns out and becomes a dud.
    2. +1
      14 June 2026 12: 27
      A similar observation: 1982, in magazines, two tracers were fired. After hitting the ground, the bullets shot steeply upward.
      1. -1
        14 June 2026 21: 57
        The angle of reflection is proportional to the density of the medium, which is higher in the lower layers of the earth.
      2. +1
        15 June 2026 09: 47
        What's the similar observation? The tracer from 7,62 also moves upward or away from the obstacle.
    3. +5
      14 June 2026 14: 03
      Any bullet, after touching the ground, goes up...and to the right. Because the rotation is clockwise.
      1. 0
        14 June 2026 17: 36
        Quote: Konnick
        Any bullet, after touching the ground, goes up...and to the right. Because the rotation is clockwise.

        It’s hard for me to say anything against it, because I’ve only used the 5,45.
  9. +6
    14 June 2026 09: 29
    The author has bypassed the second main question about the 5,45, which has long tormented the progressive public: does this bullet penetrate the rail, and even lengthwise?
    The first is recoil. The bullet is heavy, the impulse is noticeable: the barrel tilts upward as the second or third bullet fires, and it misses the target.

    Eugene Stoner also encountered this problem. To reduce it and improve automatic fire accuracy, he employed several solutions. By minimizing the bolt carrier group's mass and travel, the rifle achieved high accuracy in both single-shot and automatic fire. Furthermore, he employed a so-called "linear" design, which positions the main masses along the barrel and avoids the barrel-lifting moment that can cause the barrel to lift during automatic fire (as is the case, for example, with the AK). Furthermore, a recoil damper was installed in the buttstock, reducing recoil. All of this, coupled with the powerful 5,56x45 cartridge, improved automatic fire accuracy and grouping.
    Incidentally, the history of the M16 has shown that there is much less difference between socialism and capitalism in the area of ​​weapons adoption than is commonly believed.
    Much was written about all sorts of intrigues and behind-the-scenes struggles during the 1942 submachine gun competition and the assault rifle competition for an intermediate cartridge. But the Americans also had "worthy" people in this regard who disliked the idea of ​​a non-rifle cartridge, who were still living with the World War I rationale of a larger caliber and a more powerful cartridge, who sabotaged the trials in every way possible and continued to stubbornly champion the M14.
    On December 21, 1962, S. Vance, in an effort to absolve himself of responsibility for the generals' arbitrary conduct in the current situation, ordered the Army Inspector General to investigate the circumstances of the November-December tests for their legality. The investigation revealed a prior conspiracy among a group of Army generals to highlight any shortcomings of the AR-15 and give it only negative feedback. The infantry committee intended to conduct AR-15 tests under conditions that would inevitably lead to unsatisfactory results, while testing the M14 under favorable conditions. Officers at the Aberdeen Proving Ground effectively sabotaged the tests: ammunition for the tests was selectively selected for the M14 and AR-15, the highest-quality ammunition for the former, and defective ammunition for the latter. Shooters for the M14 tests were selected from the most experienced soldiers, those proficient in the use of this rifle and with extensive fire history, and those less experienced for the AR-15. The wooden stock, grip, and buttstock of the M14 became saturated with moisture and deformed as a result of rain testing, disrupting the centering of the weapon - this was not reflected in the reports, while any complaints about the operation of the polymer AR-15 were deliberately exaggerated and scrupulously recorded[23].
    1. +3
      14 June 2026 18: 09
      During testing in the USSR, it was discovered that the AK-74 fires bursts more accurately. This is due to its lower recoil impulse and normal muzzle brake.
      1. -1
        14 June 2026 18: 36
        Yes, weak cartridge, you are right.
        1. +2
          14 June 2026 20: 18
          To be fair, several cartridge variants with different masses and velocities were considered during R&D. This one was deemed optimal in terms of ballistics and, on the other hand, recoil and weapon control.
          1. -5
            14 June 2026 20: 35
            I don't understand why they couldn't just use the American 5,56x45. The AKM would have been chambered for a smaller caliber and would have had better flatness.
            1. +2
              14 June 2026 21: 11
              So the Americans abandoned their M193 in favor of the SS109, also known as the M855. Heavier and a bit slower.
              1. -2
                14 June 2026 22: 18
                Yes, the Belgian 5,56*45. But even the American version would be better than the 5,45.
                1. 0
                  29 June 2026 09: 38
                  Of course, this is not true. The 5,45 is the best automatic cartridge at the moment.
                  1. +1
                    29 June 2026 09: 45
                    And what exactly are the advantages of a much weaker cartridge?
                    1. 0
                      29 June 2026 14: 57
                      This "weak" cartridge, even in the 7N6 version, could penetrate a steel helmet along with the head at 800 m.
                      Unlike the American adaptation of the hunting cartridge for manually operated rifles, the 5,45mm cartridge was designed from the ground up for combat automatic weapons. As a result, it has a noticeable case taper, as opposed to the nearly cylindrical 5,56mm cartridge, greatly facilitating extraction during automatic reloading, especially from a dirty chamber. The case flange (not to be confused with the rim) of the domestic cartridge is thicker than that of the 5,56mm, preventing case breakage and subsequent chambering failure.
                      The 5,45mm cartridge is the lightest of all automatic cartridges, uses less propellant powder, has the lowest recoil impulse, which improves the accuracy of automatic fire, and has a more precisely shaped bullet. Thanks to this improved bullet shape, the AK74, with its 415mm barrel and muzzle velocity of 900 m/s, has a chest blast that's only 10 meters lower (440 m versus 450 m) than the M16A2, with its 508mm barrel and muzzle velocity of 930 m/s. The M4 carbine also has a lower muzzle velocity than the AK74, and its chest blast is also lower.
                      Well, here are the test results...
                      The main was a comparative assessment of the effectiveness of firing from the AK74 machine gun and from the M16A2 rifle. It consisted of two parts - experimental and theoretical. The experimental, in terms of the frequency of hitting the N8 target when shooting in short bursts, showed:
                      1. when shooting while lying down, the AK74 and M16A2 are almost equivalent;
                      2. when shooting while lying with your hand, the AK74 is 1,48 times better;
                      3. when shooting from a standing position, the AK74 is better 1,2 times.
                      The theoretical calculation of the effectiveness was carried out taking into account the results of accuracy of fire:
                      1. when firing a single fire lying from an emphasis, accuracy from M16A2 is 1,44 times better;
                      2. when shooting in short bursts, accuracy from the AK74 assault rifle is better (in area) than from the M16A2 rifle: lying from the stop - 2,5 times, lying from the hand - 1,25 times, standing from the hand - 1,2 times.
                      Calculations from the source data showed:
                      1. when shooting with single shots lying down from the stop, the M16A2 rifle exceeds the AK74 assault rifle by 1,28 times;
                      2. when shooting in short bursts, the AK74 submachine gun surpasses the M16A2 automatic rifle: lying on the stop - 1,03 times, lying on the hand - 1,22 times, standing on the hands 2,05 times.
                      The report on the results of comparative tests concluded: “In terms of hit rate when firing automatic fire, the AK74 assault rifle is 1,34-1,43 times better than the M16A2 rifle (experimental calculation), but in single fire it is 1,28 times worse due to the 1,44 times better accuracy of the SS109 cartridges fired from the M16A2 rifle.”

                      V.N. Dvoryaninov 'Live cartridges of small arms' v.4, p.33
                      1. +1
                        29 June 2026 17: 04
                        This "weak" cartridge, even in the 7N6 version, could penetrate a steel helmet along with the head at 800 m.

                        And also along the rail, everyone knows that, what's there to hide.
                        As a result, it has a noticeable taper of the sleeve.

                        What does cartridge power have to do with this?
                        Well, here are the test results...

                        Yes, the results are fantastic, considering that 5,56 is almost one and a half times more powerful.
                        Unlike the American reworking of the hunting cartridge

                        5,56*45 NATO is a Belgian cartridge, not an American one.
                      2. -1
                        29 June 2026 21: 49
                        And also along the rail, everyone knows that, what's there to hide

                        Why don't you read the AK74 manual?

                        What does cartridge power have to do with this?

                        I see you can't read. What good is the cartridge's power if the shell is stuck in the chamber?

                        Yes, the results are fantastic, considering that the 5,56 is almost one and a half times more powerful.

                        This is precisely why it has such poor accuracy with automatic fire. But someone who knows nothing but the word "powerful" wouldn't understand this.
                        While you're at it, consider this: the 7,62x51 is even more powerful. Can you tell me why the Americans so quickly switched to the 5,56 in the jungles of Vietnam? The 5,56 is weak, so in your opinion, it's worse.

                        5,56*45 NATO is a Belgian cartridge, not an American one.

                        Have you ever heard the word "compatibility"? Apparently not. To ensure the cartridges fit into the magazine and chamber and operate properly with the bolt, the case dimensions and geometry remain unchanged. It's the same American-made hunting cartridge case.
                      3. +1
                        29 June 2026 23: 21
                        Why don't you read the AK74 manual?

                        I read it. It also says it can penetrate body armor from 600 meters. It just doesn't say which one.
                        This is precisely why it has such poor accuracy with automatic fire. But someone who knows nothing but the word "powerful" wouldn't understand this.

                        Are you writing this about yourself? Otherwise, you'd know that the M16 was originally designed to ensure high-precision automatic fire in real combat conditions. The AK-74, in case you weren't aware, shares the same design as the AK-47 and AKM. If you've ever fired an AK-47 or AKM, you've seen where the barrel tends to drift.
                        The Stoner system (M16) provides a highly symmetrical design, allowing for linear movement of the operating components. This allows recoil forces to be transmitted directly to the rear. Instead of couplings or other mechanical parts driving the system, this function is performed by high-pressure gas, reducing the weight of the moving parts and the rifle as a whole. [ 89 ]
                        The M16 uses a "straight-line" recoil design, where the recoil spring is located in the buttstock directly behind the bolt [ 83 ] and serves a dual function as a bolt spring and recoil buffer [ 83 ]. Positioning the buttstock in line with the barrel also reduces muzzle rise, especially during automatic fire. Because recoil does not significantly shift the point of aim, faster follow-up shots are possible and shooter fatigue is reduced. Additionally, modern M16 models with flash suppressors also act as compensators, further reducing recoil.

                        Have you heard the word "compatibility"?

                        I heard, moreover, I didn’t even herd pigs with you, you did it with someone else.
                        hi
                      4. -2
                        30 June 2026 11: 37
                        Otherwise, they would know that the M16 design was originally created precisely to ensure high accuracy of automatic fire in real combat conditions.

                        And of course, this isn't true. The American military never imposed any requirements on the accuracy of automatic rifle and machine gun fire. Unlike the USSR, which, after the war and right up until the very end, persistently tried to improve the accuracy of automatic fire.

                        The AK-74, in case you weren't aware, shares the same design as the AK-47 and AKM. If you've ever fired an AK-47 or AKM, you've seen where the barrel curves.

                        Did you read the report's quote carefully? It's all about that very same accuracy.
                        And here's an illustration of this same accuracy from a standing position, off-hand, for the M16A1 from a report from the US Aberdeen Proving Ground and the A-3 (the future AK74) from a report from the Rzhev Proving Ground. Pay particular attention to the firing range: for the M16, it's 25 meters, while for the A-3, it's 100 meters.
                      5. 0
                        1 July 2026 23: 26
                        However, direct impingement remains only on AR-series rifles. Hecklers, SCARs, and others use pistons. Plus, the DI is prone to carbon deposits. Not suitable for our propellants.
                      6. 0
                        2 July 2026 00: 15
                        FN SCAR and HK416 are different weapons, despite their external similarities.
                        By the way, their accuracy is also quite good.
                      7. 0
                        2 July 2026 06: 48
                        To be fair, all these accuracy levels are achieved with carefully selected cartridges and, albeit not greatly, a tuned weapon. The military-grade Ark, the standard M855—the result will be, well, maybe a little better than the AK. But that's just a little.
                      8. 0
                        1 July 2026 23: 30
                        And at the same time, the 7N6 suddenly worked worse against body armor compared to the lead FMZ M193
                      9. 0
                        4 July 2026 07: 52
                        Only and exclusively at short range, up to 100 meters, and then it loses. It penetrates the same steel helmet (SS-68) at 520 meters 50% of the time. Unlike the 7N6, which does this at 800 meters 80%.
                        Modern bulletproof vests can withstand armor-piercing rounds from the SVD on one side, while on the other, the bulletproof protection area is only 10% of the body, and in assault configurations, it can reach as much as 15%.
                      10. 0
                        4 July 2026 08: 21
                        The VT23 titanium alloy plates are 6,5 mm thick with a hardness of 35-37 HRC, with eight layers of SVM fabric on each side. The M193 penetrates up to 120 meters, while the 7N6 can penetrate up to forty meters. Different bullets simply perform differently against different obstacles.
                    2. 0
                      1 July 2026 23: 34
                      The recoil impulse of the cartridge was selected based on the need to combine the speed/energy of the bullet and controllability and comfort of shooting.
        2. 0
          14 June 2026 20: 26
          kills equally well
          1. -1
            14 June 2026 20: 32
            If it hits and doesn't ricochet off an obstacle...
            1. 0
              14 June 2026 20: 44
              Both ricochet, moreover, due to the steeper rifling, the 7,62 is more prone to this when hitting relatively hard obstacles at angles greater than a certain
              1. +1
                14 June 2026 20: 52
                the steeper rifling of 7,62 is more prone to this

                This is something out of science fiction.
                1. +3
                  14 June 2026 21: 13
                  Try it; shooting ranges are readily available and relatively inexpensive. I tried them at 100m, 200m, and 50m. Through thick branches and trunks, both deflect to the point of missing the target, which is 10m behind the obstacle. Furthermore, even a 7,62x54mm deflects, just at a smaller angle, but still chaotically.
                  The only advantage of 7,62 is that it was shown like that in the movies :) along the rail and all that stuff
                  1. 0
                    14 June 2026 21: 16
                    Why don't you try it? The shooting ranges are available.

                    Thanks, I tried it a long time ago. When I was serving, our regiment was just being re-equipped with AKMs. I tried both.
                    1. +1
                      14 June 2026 22: 20
                      Have you shot a lot? Have you often used both calibers in the same conditions? Or is this just a case of "I hit the target with the old one, but not with this one, so it's crap."
                      1. 0
                        14 June 2026 23: 57
                        Not much. But enough to notice the difference. Overall, the 5,45 is more comfortable to shoot under ideal range conditions.
                      2. 0
                        15 June 2026 10: 29
                        It's not a very vague concept, I have 6 zincs, though at the testing ground, in 10 years
      2. +1
        14 June 2026 20: 48
        Well, neither the 5,56 nor the 5,45 were originally designed for firing at armor. They made it with increased armor-piercing capability, but it's just a surrogate. Even the Americans spat at this cartridge. It doesn't work on meat, especially one pumped up with adrenaline.
        1. +1
          14 June 2026 21: 19
          M193 cartridge bullet. Fragmentation action
          1. +1
            14 June 2026 22: 15
            Don't confuse our PS-equipped version with the armor-piercing round we mentioned. I won't post pictures, I'm too lazy. They're even in old publications like the Beetle Encyclopedia. Look at pictures of the wound channel for the M193, M855, and 5,45PS. Also, the SS109 (which has been the standard issue in the US Army since the mid-80s) and the M193 are different rounds. The 193 can probably only be found in reserve depots for older versions of the M16. The SS109 is called the M855 in the US. They even had to make the rifling steeper for it, so firing the M193 round from the M16A2 is impractical.
            So, the M193 is good against meat, but not good against any body armor (our PS is much better in this regard), and the M855 is good against armor (but as the Americans themselves say, it's not good against meat, but excellent against cars/glass).
            1. 0
              14 June 2026 22: 29
              Surprisingly, the M-193 with a lead core performed better against body armor than the 7N6 with a steel core. We had to rush to develop the 7N6M, and with the advent of the SS-109, the 7N10. Yes, the SS-109 bullet breaks in half on its target.
          2. 0
            14 June 2026 22: 29
            So, which is better? Comparison of 5,45PS, M855, and 7,62x39PS
          3. +1
            14 June 2026 22: 34
            I also wanted to add that the M193 fragmentation only appears on long-barreled versions of the M16; on short ones it lacks speed.
    2. 0
      14 June 2026 20: 32
      Direct impingement and low overtravel are good for accuracy, but not for reliability.
  10. +4
    14 June 2026 12: 08
    A trained soldier doesn't fire bursts at 300 meters; that's what the single-shot mode is for. The PKM and SVD are smarter. The 7 is definitely better in greenery; the 5 ricochets even off a thin branch, while the 7 cuts through it and continues on.
    1. -1
      15 June 2026 02: 27
      A trained fighter doesn't fire in bursts at 300 meters.
  11. 0
    14 June 2026 12: 39
    I liked the AKM - the best machine gun for small arms combat, but of course I'm just grumbling like an old man ((I had a 1968 model)
    1. 0
      14 June 2026 21: 08
      At 200m I would argue with you about who is better, especially in short bursts and at a moving target
      1. 0
        15 June 2026 21: 36
        Just out of curiosity. How can you do that at a moving target and fire short bursts? Is that what the brass demanded? If they want to hit, they fire long bursts.
        1. -1
          16 June 2026 15: 16
          Are you sure you're shooting? Where are you planning to hit with a long burst of a machine gun at 150-200 meters? Maybe, like in the movies, fire from the hip toward the target with the entire magazine? Will you even be able to keep the AKM on trajectory? Your entire burst won't hit the wall of a barn at 50-100 meters. I won't even mention 150-200 meters. The 5,45 is more flexible in this case.
          Long ones are from a machine gun on a machine and that is indicative or pressed.
          1. 0
            16 June 2026 15: 36
            You definitely weren't shooting. Or you're not an officer. Or it's unclear what your military specialization is. There's something called the UKS. The final target isn't even 150-200 meters away, as you've been depicted with such genuine horror, marked with exclamation marks. It's 300-400 meters away, and the target is moving—a running group of infantry, they say. Fire is delivered at it in a long burst, with adjustments made as you fire based on tracers. And almost everyone hits. Somehow, these officer candidates manage to cope.
            This is so you realize that this is standard military training and not a circus act.
            We were also trained by officers from the Combat Training Directorate (sometimes jokingly referred to as the "Department of Clueless Colonels"). To your horror, these colonels dared to claim that the most effective fire was long bursts.
            And yes, exactly from the hip, a long line throughout the entire store.
            1. -1
              16 June 2026 18: 51
              Well, oh well, they didn't train me, but in a calm situation I can hit a single target with two or three shots, but with a long burst I can only hit a group somewhere there and most likely I'll hit it too.
              1. 0
                16 June 2026 20: 22
                The impossible shooting of a long burst at 150-200 meters suddenly became possible after familiarization with the usual standards?
                And another question: why use two or three at a single target? For what reasons?
  12. 0
    14 June 2026 13: 02
    Well, at one time, the Arisaka and its 6.5 mm were used
  13. 0
    14 June 2026 14: 20
    Why 5.45 and not 5,5 or 6,0.
    1. +2
      14 June 2026 20: 27
      Because engineers calculated and compared, we have been seeing the results of R&D for over 60 years in the army and elsewhere.
  14. +2
    14 June 2026 17: 17
    A few words about the outstanding gunsmith designer Hugo Schmeisser.
    Hugo Schmeisser was the third generation of a renowned family of German gunsmiths, and, as the saying goes, nature always rests on its descendants. At the beginning of the 20th century, Hugo was recruited by connections to the Bergmann company. During World War I, its owner, the distinguished gunsmith Theodor Bergmann (one of the first inventors of automatic pistols, creator of the successful Bergmann MG 15nA machine gun, and others), commissioned Hugo to prepare his MP-18 submachine gun for production. Hugo not only completed the task but also patented the MP-18 in his own name. Naturally, Bergmann immediately asked him to leave. Bergmann sued Hugo over the MP-18 patent until his death in 1931, but Hugo was unrivaled in the legal battle. Nevertheless, the MP-18 is still called the "Bergmann MP3."
    Despite the patent dispute, the Bergmann MP20 was modified and produced by both Hugo and Bergman. In the 1920s, Hugo produced its own modifications of the MP-18 (the final version being the MP-28), while Bergman produced the same model under the SIG Bergmann 20 brand.
    Hugo used Bergman's idea until the late 30s. During this time, he moved the MP-18 magazine from the left side down, and then to the right. He failed to create anything new.
    Hugo became a world-famous gunsmith after selling 50 MP-28s to the SS. Thanks to Nazi propaganda, Hugo was an idol among the Hitler Youth, for whom he developed an air pistol reminiscent of the Parabellum.
    From 1938 to 1944 (six years!!!), Hugo created his "masterpiece," the Stg-44. The Americans tested it at the Aberdeen proving grounds. The reviews were extremely scathing. Specifically, the Americans noted that when crawling with the StG-44, deformation of the receiver was common, turning the weapon into a high-tech baton. In the USSR, such a piece of junk would simply not have been allowed to participate in state testing.
    The MP-40 submachine gun (Maschinenpistole 40) is a famous automatic weapon designed by Heinrich Vollmer. It is widely, but erroneously, known as the "Schmeisser." This is because Hugo Schmeisser designed and patented the magazine for it. Therefore, every MP-40 magazine was stamped with his name. At the front, this stamp on captured weapons was mistaken for the brand name.
    The MP-40 submachine gun magazine, designed by the brilliant Hugo, had several critical design flaws. The main problems were:
    1. Transition of cartridges to a single-row output
    The cartridges were fed in a staggered pattern, but tapered into a single row as they exited the neck. The slightest contamination, deformation of the jaws, etc., caused the cartridge to jam.
    2. Complexity of equipment
    Due to the very tight spring, manually loading the 32-round magazine in the field was relatively difficult. At the same time, storing a fully loaded magazine for an extended period of time would cause the spring to sag. This would result in the cartridge being misaligned (see point 1). Therefore, storing MP-40 magazines fully loaded at all times was not recommended.
    3. Unreliability of fixation
    Under intense combat conditions, the magazine would spontaneously fall out of the receiver.
    German designers attempted to modernize the cartridge feed system. By 1942, a number of research projects had been conducted to study the physics of cartridge movement in the magazine, but they were unable to eliminate the magazine's "problems."
    Schmeisser's final design masterpiece was the MP-41 submachine gun. After the outbreak of World War II, it became clear that the MP-40's folding stock reduced its accuracy. To improve the MP-40's accuracy, Schmeisser attached the wooden stock from his MP-28 to the MP-40 and added a single-fire selector switch. A clever solution, and Schmeisser patented the MP-41 as his own invention. So what?! Every invention formula begins with the words "characterized by..."
    Mass production of the MP-41 was established at the CG Haenel factory, where Hugo was the director. However, Erma, the patent holder for the MP-40, did not appreciate Hugo's innovation and, after a patent infringement lawsuit, succeeded in halting production of the MP-41. Only about 26000 of these weapons were produced, making the MP-41 considered a rare example.
    Hugo had nothing to do with the creation of the AK. Only those who lack a basic understanding of firearms could present the AK as a development of the Stg-44. One could just as easily claim that the Stg-44 was copied from the assault rifle designed by the Russian and Soviet gunsmith Fedorov.
    What did Hugo do in the USSR? An excerpt from Schmeisser's character reference, signed by Mukhamedov, the plant's assistant director for hiring and firing:
    "...Due to his lack of technical training, he cannot perform any work. He contributed nothing during his stay. His mentality is capitalist. He has a corrosive effect on the other German specialists. He is not familiar with the plant's secret operations, but he is not certain that he is ignorant of the products it produces..."
    There's a propaganda story that the genius Hugo perfected the AK's production technology. Alas! It wasn't just the Wehrmacht that lost the war, but also the German gunsmithing school. Soviet weapons designers prided themselves on the fact that their weapons were extremely technologically advanced. In the German gunsmithing school, the designer and the technologist were two different entities. The designer reigned supreme. He created a masterpiece, while the technologist then made do as best he could to streamline production. A classic example is the famous Parabellum pistol. A machine beautiful in every respect, but completely unsuitable for mass production because it required hand-fitting of parts. Hugo was completely in line with this paradigm. He couldn't care less about the production technology of the StG 44—it wasn't a royal matter. The technologists couldn't create the junk Hugo designed as a receiver in metal. That's why the StG 44's receiver bent when it was being rolled over.
    Considering how many lives of our soldiers were saved by the clumsy Hugo, I am in favor of erecting a monument to him on Poklonnaya Hill with arms like angel wings, but growing from his butt.
    From 1950, when mass production of the AK began, until the introduction of the AKM, the assault rifle was constantly being improved. The earliest AK I ever handled was from 1951. However, it differs in detail from the description of the AK adopted in 1949. The next AK I owned was from 1954. It also differed from the 1951 model. Specifically, the 1951 model had a leaf spring, while the 1954 model and all subsequent models had a coil spring. The AKM and AK-74 are a whole other story.
    Around 1978, we crossed paths with some paratroopers, and I held an AK-74 for the first time. Frankly, I wasn't impressed. The paratroopers told me this story. One of their guys decided to dodge military service. Before going on guard duty, he hid an old overcoat near his post, and that night, he decided to stage an attack on the post. He wrapped the overcoat around the barrel to prevent gunpowder residue from getting into the wound, and shot himself in the thigh, obliquely. The overcoat caused the bullet to spin, and the body lay there from shock. That's how they found him.
    1. +2
      14 June 2026 21: 29
      You're chasing me for pain shock. You're anyone, but I'm a paramedic.
      By the way, shock is called traumatic
      1. -1
        15 June 2026 09: 24
        And if the bone is crushed and the health is generally poor.
      2. 0
        15 June 2026 12: 01
        Unlike you, I know exactly where to put the enema. When we were taught first aid for wounds, it was called "pain shock." The fact that the terminology has changed since then isn't my problem, but the fault of the undertrained paramedics. wink As for the wound, the tumbling bullet entered the thigh flat and turned the leg into mincemeat. There was no straight wound channel. The poor guy died almost instantly and not from blood loss. What's your theory on the cause of death?
        1. 0
          15 June 2026 21: 38
          A friend from America, he has an alternate universe and protection from Vadim Smirnov, the chief admin, in emergency situations.
    2. 0
      14 June 2026 22: 34
      The AK in the form in which it was adopted can hardly be called technologically advanced.
      1. +1
        15 June 2026 13: 25
        The AK in the form in which it was adopted can hardly be called technologically advanced.
        - and I'm talking about the same thing.
        The manufacturability of a design is its ability to be produced with minimal industrial costs. If production assets change, the concept of manufacturability changes as well. Accordingly, a manufacturable design allows for wide variations in production assets. Here's an example. When I first saw the crudely forged bolt of a PPSh pistol, I was simply stunned. Bolts like these can be forged in a village forge or in a factory with a million machine tools. That's manufacturability. Let me give you an example. Mauser-Werke AG spent 12,5 man-hours manufacturing a single Luger pistol during its peak production period; its production was quite labor-intensive. The pistol itself weighed 0,87 kg, requiring 6,1 kg of metal. Manufacturing required 778 separate operations: 642 on machine tools and 136 by hand. For comparison's sake. The PPSh-41 consisted of 87 parts, the production of which required only 5,6 machine hours.
        Let's return to the AK. The 1949 model had a stamped receiver. As it turned out, Soviet industry at the time was unable to ensure the required stamping precision. Therefore, from 1950 onward, the AK had a milled receiver. I had exactly this 1954 model. Its drawbacks include a high rate of fire (800 rounds per minute) and poor accuracy. As for the shooting, firing two- or three-round bursts was completely problem-free. The shooting accuracy, in my opinion, is also impeccable. I scored "excellent" on all the exercises without any effort. When I switched from the AK to the AKM, I honestly didn't notice any difference in this regard.
        The AK isn't just a machine gun, it's a beauty. I understand Arab sheikhs who have an AK, not some piece of junk, hanging on the central pole of their gilded tent. It's very aristocratic. The AK had the feel of a fine hunting rifle, equally comfortable for shooting downrange from a sniper rifle or up at ducks. Alas! But unlike the AK, the AKM and AK-74 are designed for prone shooting.
        The AKM is also a great machine, but it's lost its aristocratic appeal. The receiver is now stamped. This isn't a swear word, but a statement of the technological advancement of Soviet industry. The AKM has a lower rate of fire and various bells and whistles, but I still prefer the AK.
        The USSR published a highly regarded magazine, "Foreign Military Review" (ZVO). During the final stages of the Vietnam War, a translated article appeared explaining the Americans' switch to the 5,56 caliber. It showed a graph of the energy of a 5,56 and 7,62 bullet at various ranges. The graph shows that the energy of a 5,56 bullet is greater than that of a 7,62 bullet at ranges up to approximately 400 meters. At 400 meters, they are equal; beyond 400 meters, the 5,56 bullet quickly loses energy and becomes much less effective than the 7,62 bullet. In other words, the 5,56 cartridge is designed for close-quarters combat only.
        Zadornov, may he rest in peace, constantly repeated that all Americans were "not very smart." So it's no surprise that at the same time, an article appeared in the Western Military District about the tactics of a US infantry unit armed with the M-16. This article, in all seriousness, proposed providing fire support with half a squad (six men) at a range of 900 yards.
        Only stupid Americans can shoot an M-16 at 800 meters in the jungle. 800 meters is practically the maximum range of an SVD. Shooting at that distance with a 5,56 round without a scope and a ballistic computer?! - hee-hee-hee! I won't even mention the killing power of a 5,56 bullet at that distance. I suspect it was a publicity stunt that continues to this day. An M-16 with a scope is just as effective. The Americans love to show commercials showing their Marines blowing targets to smithereens at 200-300 yards. An AK or AK-74 at 180-275 meters can make just as many holes. That's if the shooters have the right hands.
        1. 0
          15 June 2026 16: 10
          The AK, DA, and AKM have a stamped receiver thickness of one millimeter. We spent several years perfecting the stamping and heat-treating of this part. Plus a lot of other things. I don't know what it's like at 800 meters, but before adopting the M-16, the ORO commission conducted a huge amount of analysis. Based on the results of WWII and Korea, they found that the lion's share of injuries and deaths occurred at 300 yards.
  15. +2
    14 June 2026 17: 40
    It's obsolete... but there's one problem: it's only obsolete in the CIS. The rest of the world continues to use the 7,62x39. Just like in the CIS, no one has abandoned the 7,62, and the new AK-12s are produced in two calibers.
    5,45 is essentially a small-bore rifle... faster, yes, but it doesn't have the stopping power, especially against new armor.

    Yes, it's lighter in weight, has less recoil, and can hit targets more accurately at the shooting range... But it's still a weapon, and for many, its lethality in urban combat is more important, something a small caliber can't provide.
    1. -1
      14 June 2026 20: 28
      5,45 is essentially a small-bore rifle...

      The American 5,56x45 is very close in power to our 7,62x39 and is only slightly inferior. Our 5,45 is a much weaker cartridge, more suited to use in ideal conditions. Why they did it this way is unclear. In principle, nothing much needed to be changed—simply reducing the caliber and increasing the case length.
      1. 0
        14 June 2026 21: 03
        One thing is that the bullet weight is small, it’s all about 4 grams, while the Makarov has 6 grams, and the Ak47 has about 8 grams.
        In the 1970s, before the advent of body armor, any hit to the body meant death, so shooting was done at range—from prone positions, etc. Now, heavy and inexpensive armor is available to almost everyone, and new plate carriers can hold off a .308 Win at 10 meters. Another issue is the impact force. A light bullet has a weak impact, easily ricochets, for example, in forests and bushes, and has little stopping power, which is important when storming buildings and clearing trenches.
        1. -1
          14 June 2026 21: 39
          The new slab guns can handle the .308win at 10 meters. The other issue is the impact force. A light bullet has a weak impact, easily ricochets, for example, in forests and bushes, and has little stopping power, which is important when storming buildings and clearing trenches.

          You're right, there's a problem with choosing the optimal cartridge characteristics; the requirements for different tasks are too conflicting, especially with the spread of effective body armor.
          The Americans are now switching to what they consider to be the more optimal 6.8x51mm, also known as the .277 Fury. Previously, they tried 6,5x38mm and 6,8x43mm, but abandoned them. This cartridge offers essentially rifle-grade power, high penetration, high muzzle velocity, and flat shooting.
          Bullet weight, g 7,8
          Initial bullet speed, m / s 975
          Bullet energy, J 3700

          A new SIG Sauer XM7 rifle and a carbine based on it were created.
          1. 0
            14 June 2026 22: 29
            There is one problem here - it is extremely difficult to introduce a new caliber, since mass production plays a role here.
            Again, this is a question not only of the bullet caliber, but also of the new cartridges.

            If we compare their new caliber to the same military .308, how much less recoil is it in full auto? I don't think it's much, given the .51 case length.
            And what is the weight of the bullet?
            In any case, I don’t think that the penetration is higher than that of the 308, so what’s the point in completely rearming the army?
            Calibers are generally difficult to change, so the main calibers are already 100 years old.

            To penetrate armor and deliver high stopping power, the .308 caliber is essentially a military caliber. But the main goal here is to reduce its recoil... The AEK's balanced automatic system only works with small-bore rifles, and the Abakan's recoilless barrel is complex and expensive.
            1. -1
              14 June 2026 23: 54
              Bullet weight, g 7,8
              There we're talking about a 1-2 mm difference. They must be finding something special.
        2. VlK
          +1
          15 June 2026 11: 31
          Nowadays, almost everyone has heavy and cheap Armor, and new platers can hold 308win from 10 meters.
          What percentage of the body's projection does it cover, and how combat-ready is a soldier after such a hit, even without armor penetration? At different ranges, of course, but it's unlikely to be worth considering beyond 300 meters.
          Or perhaps the problem of armor penetration of modern SIBZ, based only on reference data, is generally somewhat far-fetched?
    2. 0
      14 June 2026 20: 34
      Against new body armor, the 7,62x39 has no stopping power either. Moreover, at 100 meters, three 5,45 bullets against one 7,62x39, even against body armor, would be somewhat more interesting in terms of kill probability. They're at least equal in terms of limb damage, and I won't even mention headshots (even against helmets) at 100 meters.
      1. -1
        14 June 2026 21: 14
        That's true, but it's not just penetration that matters, but also the force of impact—the stopping power. And here, the bullet's weight and size are precisely what matter.
        The AK-74 bullet weighs less than 4g, the Makarov and Luger bullets weigh 6g, the AK-47 bullet weighs 8g, and the .45 caliber bullet weighs about 15g. In America, police officers have always chosen heavy bullets (8-10g) precisely for their stopping power. Similarly, they used Colts for clearing catacombs and caves when lethal force was needed.
        For this same reason, even in Afghanistan, the Soviet Union's Special Forces and Airborne Forces chose the AKM over the AK74. And now they're making the AK12 chambered for them in 7,62mm. Vintorez and similar rifles essentially use the same case as the AK47/74, only chambered for an even heavier bullet.
        The calibers simply have different purposes. Outside of the CIS, the 5,45 hasn't gained widespread popularity.
        1. -1
          14 June 2026 21: 33
          You're confusing warm with soft. First, find out why a heavy bullet is needed for a Vintner (I'll give you a hint: silencer, speed, and lethality when speed is low). It's interesting at point-blank range; try hitting a running target with a short burst. Your chances are much better with a 5,45. And don't bring up the Americans. They mostly shoot at bare flesh. I laughed about the Vintner and AK-74 cartridges.
          1. +1
            14 June 2026 22: 19
            I'm not confusing anything, especially soft and warm, and I know what the Vintorez needs and why. You're just forgetting one detail: there's a whole family of Vintorez-based guns, like the Vikhr and others, and a muffler is just an option.
            The fact that you're laughing is good. It might even be a sign.
            1. -1
              15 June 2026 09: 42
              It was only later that they created a vortex based on a cartridge for a complete set, and it was precisely the operation without a muffler that was an option there, and not the other way around.
              1. -2
                15 June 2026 14: 29
                So you're saying the special services weren't interested in the stopping power of the 9mm and the only reason the 9x39 was subsonic? Every single intelligence agency in the world was and is interested in this, and here are some rare individuals? That's a very strange statement.
                1. 0
                  15 June 2026 15: 08
                  Now read the history of the 9x39 cartridge's development: when, by whom, according to what specifications, and for what weapons it was created. It was developed for the VSS and AS Val projects, according to the SP-5 and SP-6 specifications. Everything else happened much later, in the late 90s and early 2000s, as a Tula initiative. The cheaper PAB-9 was developed for everything else.
                2. 0
                  16 June 2026 17: 21
                  is the only reason for 9*39 is subsonic?

                  Subsonic was also achieved with the 5.45 by reducing the propellant powder charge (1/14, from memory). This cartridge also had problems when firing downwards (the propellant powder would transfer to the bullet).
                  1. 0
                    16 June 2026 22: 18
                    In the mid-1980s, Zabelin and Dvoryaninova developed the 9mm SP-5 sniper cartridge based on the 7,62×39mm cartridge case, while designer Yu. Z. Frolov and technologist E. S. Kornilova developed the SP-6 cartridge with high penetrating power.

                    The SP-5 was designed for sniper shooting: it featured a heavy, semi-jacketed bullet with high accuracy and good stopping power. The SP-6, on the other hand, was designed as an armor-piercing round, with a steel core capable of penetrating Class 2 body armor at ranges of up to 400 meters. The new cartridge was used in such legendary systems as the VSS Vintorez and AS Val.

                    subsonic speed: about 280–320 m/s, which ensures effective use with sound moderators;

                    heavy bullet: weight from 16 to 18 g, providing high stopping power;

                    Detective-type combat encounters occur primarily at short ranges of up to 200 meters, and often at point-blank range. These events occur in natural, man-made, and residential labyrinths. It is crucial to instantly immobilize the enemy, and this is best accomplished with a powerful, large-caliber bullet. It is in these circumstances that a heavy, large-caliber bullet with its powerful stopping power and colossal penetrating power has an undeniable tactical advantage over the piercing bullets of small (5,45mm) and normal (7,62mm) calibers. The bullet's relatively low subsonic velocity at short ranges is of no practical significance.
                    1. 0
                      16 June 2026 23: 42
                      The relatively low subsonic speed of a bullet at short distances has no practical significance.

                      Easter pancake! (C) It's physics! Limiting factors:
                      1. Subsonic speed. That's it, there's nothing to be done about it.
                      2. Normal length-to-caliber ratio. That's it. We have the maximum volume of metal that will "drag" a certain amount of energy and transfer it to the target.
                      All that remains is to play with the caliber - there the dependence is almost cubic.
                      Let's move on, relying on the energy that the bullet carries - this is its "cash".
                      Does the bullet deform? It wastes its "cash" on its own crumpling. Does the bullet pass through? Excess "cash" remains. The ideal bullet function is a blind wound. It has expended all its energy on the target.
        2. 0
          14 June 2026 22: 15
          Impact force, stopping power, and lethality are different effects. You're mixing them up too freely...
          1. 0
            14 June 2026 23: 57
            It makes a difference whether you get an 8g or a 4g bullet. On a hunt, for example, there are plenty of small magnums, but they won't take down large game; what's needed is lethality—the powerful impact of a large caliber.
            Or take Ancient Times—they knocked knights off their horses with hammers, not literally piercing their armor, but taking them down en masse. Or, for example, even during the Iron Age, stone hammers continued to be used in battles.
            Same here - a stone hammer won't penetrate armor, but the impact will be so powerful that the ribs will crack. That's what I personally consider lethal.
            1. 0
              16 June 2026 02: 37
              It's also interesting what you imagine. There's also military science—internal, external, and terminal ballistics.
    3. -2
      14 June 2026 21: 21
      As for category 5 armor... Well, you can hit it, but it won't penetrate!
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  16. +1
    14 June 2026 18: 34
    In the 80s, the Ministry of Internal Affairs and Internal Troops were almost universally armed with AK-74 and shortened AKS-74 assault rifles. But then the issue of urban deployment, hostage rescue operations, and other situations where bystanders could be harmed arose. The lightweight 5,45 caliber bullet not only ricocheted heavily, but also inflicted severe wounds upon impact, sometimes tearing out chunks of tissue on exit, leading to severe blood loss. Now, riot police and special forces units have begun to receive PPK-20 assault rifles chambered for 9mm pistol cartridges. Therefore, there is no universal solution for various tasks.
    1. -2
      14 June 2026 20: 37
      What nonsense, where are you getting this? What kind of drugs is the person who wrote this smoking? Look up a comparison of the wound channels of these bullets, and then try to comprehend what you see and stop listening to idiots.
      They were given all sorts of things: Cypress, PP-2000, and much more. The problem is one thing: 9x18 is weak for certain purposes.
      1. +2
        15 June 2026 00: 28
        For what specific purposes? In Belarus, almost all riot police units are being converted to the PPK-20. In urban areas, the range and stopping power of a 9mm bullet are perfectly adequate. And what am I supposed to reveal when I've seen with my own eyes a 5,45 caliber bullet wound. A small hole at the entrance, and a substantial chunk of flesh torn out at the exit.
        1. -1
          15 June 2026 10: 38
          You can puncture a Kamaz or Ural truck tire with a PM. That's why the AKSU appeared in the Patrol and Traffic Police, and no one in Russia has taken it away from them. Internal Troops and the police are completely different agencies. It's clear that the Internal Troops were armed with AK-74s; it's their primary weapon. They have different missions. In Russia, various submachine guns have been regularly issued to the militia/police since the late 90s; there were many options. In Belarus, they're just slowing things down (to save money).
          1. +2
            15 June 2026 12: 27
            Actually, the PPK-20 was only accepted into service in 2021. It seems that back in the early 2000s, the Belarusian Almaz company purchased Israeli UZIs and German MP-5s chambered for the 9-19mm cartridge. Now, with sanctions, the choice is limited.
          2. +3
            15 June 2026 13: 11
            Speaking of the 5,45 caliber, the Belarusian army will likely abandon it entirely. This year, mass production of the Belarusian-assembled VSK-100 assault rifle is planned. And it will be caliber 7,62.
            1. -1
              15 June 2026 14: 41
              It's your national business. Your ammunition factory is set up for them. 7,62x39 and 7,62x54. Other lines couldn't/weren't able to purchase and install them. Conveyor belts are expensive, and not insignificant, and current production is a joke. One BPZ can produce your daily quota in an hour, while the overall output in Russia in pre-war 2021 was 3000/min, compared to your 2000/hour. Furthermore, the Barnaul and Tula factories underwent technical re-equipment at the turn of 2021-2022, and they promised a 30 to 50% increase in production. And then there's the Lugansk factory, for which I have no data.
        2. -1
          15 June 2026 14: 41
          He himself doesn't know what specific goals he has. Nothing is universal. Even the Luger isn't universal.
          In general, I consider the adoption of the 9x19 caliber into military service to be sabotage, something that occurred during Russia's attempt to join NATO. The articles explicitly stated that it would make our lives easier along the way. Adopting a NATO caliber is sheer sabotage.

          There's a PMM cartridge that's almost identical to the Luger in performance, so it should have been adopted and a line of weapons produced for it. This would have eliminated the NATO caliber and standardized it with older weapons and ammunition in stock. This would have been crucial in the event of a war. But it seems they haven't learned the lessons of World War II.
          The cops would definitely be fine with a PMM cartridge, and the army could consider a 9*21 with a lighter load.
  17. -1
    14 June 2026 21: 18
    But this is where the fiction begins.
    Five forty-fifth turns around at the entrance, as does fifty-sixth
  18. +1
    15 June 2026 06: 09
    The 5,45 Kalashnikov cartridge is a very unstable and weak round. Two or three out of ten bullets fired will inevitably tumble through the air and hit the target flat.
    1. 0
      15 June 2026 09: 39
      The center of gravity of the bullets is not specially shifted; everything happens naturally.
      The 5.45x39 cartridge bullet consists of three "parts"
      1 shell
      2, lead shirt
      3 steel core
      Ideally, each part and the whole thing should be a symmetrical body of revolution, but during the manufacture of parts and assembly of the bullet, errors (which can be called defects) are inevitable, which disrupt the symmetry, and during rotation an imbalance is created, which can, in principle, be eliminated by balancing, as is done when balancing rotors, or by turning the bullet entirely from one metal.
      ,
  19. 0
    15 June 2026 11: 37
    only 5,45: the same is observed at 5,56,

    As a bit of a tediousness.
    The Muslims measure caliber by the rifling, while we, traditionally, measure by the lands. So the calibers are basically the same.
    The article is good.
    1. 0
      15 June 2026 14: 33
      It's not just the bullet diameter. NATO's cartridges are longer and more powerful.
    2. 0
      15 June 2026 14: 47
      The caliber size is indicated to the second decimal place, and the accuracy of a regular caliper is one tenth of a millimeter (I wonder if anyone measured the diameters of bullets on cartridges; I didn’t, but I sorted the balls of a loose bearing; you won’t suddenly pick out a dozen similar diameters from a pile). A deviation in the diameter of a bullet of 0.05 mm is 5% of its diameter; this is bad, but probably acceptable, and a violation of the center of gravity of 5% will cause the bullet to start tumbling somewhere on the way to the target.
    3. 0
      29 June 2026 09: 51
      The calibers are different. Both 5,56 and 7,62 NATO are based on their field diameters, as their diameters are 5,7mm and 7,85mm.
  20. +1
    15 June 2026 14: 38
    Quote: Bad_gr
    What about carrying a mortar through the mountains, with its base plate and cast iron mines?

    I think it's easier for a "ninja turtle" crew member to carry the base plate from an 82mm mortar than the barrel...
    They helped, they carried mines, SPG-9 rockets with shells, and AGS rockets into the mountains...
    1. 0
      15 June 2026 21: 55
      Oddly enough, everyone has different memories on this topic. I haven't personally carried a plate from the 82nd mortar, and I can say I've never even seen one. I just didn't look closely; it didn't interest me. But those who have carried one say it weighs 22-24 kg. The current internet says 16 or 9 kg, made of titanium alloys. So the plate could very well weigh more than the barrel.
      The question is actually slippery.
  21. 0
    16 June 2026 03: 35
    Quote: Totor5
    It's outdated... but there's one problem: it's only outdated in the CIS. The rest of the world continues to use 7,62*39.


    The most correct comment. The essence of the problem is identified.
  22. 0
    16 June 2026 13: 25
    Quote from solar
    I don't understand why they couldn't just use the American 5,56x45. The AKM would have been chambered for a smaller caliber and would have had better flatness.

    Besides the bullet and the cartridge case, a cartridge (surprise!) also contains gunpowder. While copying a bullet and cartridge case is relatively easy, copying gunpowder is much more complicated...
  23. +1
    28 June 2026 08: 51
    Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
    By AKS, your opponent apparently meant the AKS-74U. I disagree with him on the whole. So be it.

    Exactly. Sergeants, warrant officers, and officers had AKMSs, while the remaining scouts and specialists had AKS-74s.