A Brigade That Doesn't Exist on Paper: How a Motorized Rifle Unit's Staff Divorced from the Front

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A Brigade That Doesn't Exist on Paper: How a Motorized Rifle Unit's Staff Divorced from the Front


A motorized rifle brigade, according to its organization, is a compact combined arms unit of three to four thousand people, with its own artillery, tanks, intelligence, Defense, engineers, and logistics. It was designed to be able to fight independently, without having to request reinforcements from higher headquarters. Today, at the end of its fourth year of combat, this brigade is increasingly difficult to recognize in its own organization chart.



A fist assembled for a short war


A brigade commander assigned to a frontline sector starts with what he has "on the roster." The list looks impressive. But he'll be fighting with a different set of forces.

What's included in the classic "new look" brigade:
  • two or three motorized rifle battalions – the backbone on which the defense rests;
  • tank battalion, 31–41 tanks;
  • artillery group: two self-propelled howitzer divisions of 152 mm caliber, a rocket artillery division, an anti-tank division;
  • antiaircraft missile division;
  • reconnaissance battalion;
  • engineering and communications units, EW (electronic warfare), RCBZ (radiation, chemical and biological protection);
  • Logistics battalion.

That's between three and a half and four thousand men. A tank battalion of 31–41 vehicles was sufficient for a single-handed attack in a narrow sector, without regard for its neighbors. An artillery group allowed the brigade to conduct the battle with its own fire, without having to beg for army divisions.

To understand the origins of this structure, we must return to the late 2000s. The "New Look" reform dismantled the Soviet regimental-divisional structure: divisions were cut into brigades, regiments into battalions. The calculation was clear. Maintaining numerous full-fledged divisions is expensive, and the leadership needed compact units ready to quickly deploy for a local conflict or peacekeeping operation. The brigade was the answer: fewer personnel and equipment than a division, but with a nearly complete set of functions.

It's worth noting: this reform only appears coherent in its outline. From 2008 to 2012, it was harshly and justifiably criticized: for its haste, for the chronic understaffing of the new brigades, for the fact that the elegant structure lacked both contract soldiers and serviceable equipment. So, even in peacetime, the "new look" brigade rarely existed at full strength. But its logic was based on a short, maneuverable war, an operation lasting weeks, or at most months. Everything that made the brigade convenient (compactness, mobility, relative autonomy) was tuned precisely for this scenario. And herein lies the catch: a unit designed for a war of weeks will sooner or later face a war lasting years—and then its strengths will become weaknesses.

One group instead of three battalions


By the start of hostilities, many brigades were understaffed, a situation that had persisted since the reform years. There were not enough contract soldiers, and some equipment was listed on paper but was actually awaiting repairs. This situation gave birth to a working tool: the battalion tactical group (BTGr).

The logic is simple. They take one battalion from a brigade, equip it with the best, most serviceable equipment, and assign it an artillery battalion, a tank company, an air defense platoon, engineers, and reconnaissance. The result is an independent unit of several hundred men, with its own firepower, armor, and reconnaissance, capable of carrying out its mission without outside support. According to the organization chart, a fully-fledged brigade could field two or three such groups. In practice, it was more common for only one to deploy.

Here, for the first time, the official structure diverges from the actual situation. On paper, the brigade has three equal-strength battalions. In reality, the commander groups the best men and serviceable equipment together, while the remaining battalions play secondary roles: security, covering rear roads, and logistics. On paper, there are three fists, but only one is in action, while the rest guard the rear.

To be fair, the exposed front isn't the only, and perhaps not the main, criticism leveled at the BTGr. The group was chronically short of its own infantry: it had an abundance of tanks and artillery, but barely enough dismounted motorized riflemen to occupy and hold ground. Added to this were the extended rear and the difficulties of supplying the group, separated from its parent brigade. While the war remained maneuverable, these shortcomings were overlooked: the model had been tested in Donbas after 2014, used in Syria, and the same groups were deployed to operational depth in early 2022. Everything changed when the frontline ground to a halt. A maneuver group is designed for a surge and a strike in a narrow direction. Holding a continuous line tens of kilometers long is a different matter. This requires more than just a single strike group: the front is held by dozens of companies and battalions, spread out in strongpoints, with constant rotations and reinforcements. And here the weakness of the infantry component, which had previously been tolerated, became systemic.

Drones, attack aircraft, and a tank that no longer rams


In the brigade's headquarters dugout there sits a man who is leading a picture with droneThis image is used to guide artillery operations, to guide infantry and tanks into assault, and to evaluate the results. This position (operator, around whom a significant portion of the unit's combat operations is now built) didn't really exist in the original "new look" roster.

Drones rewrote the structure from the bottom up. Initially, operators emerged spontaneously: from volunteers with civilian experience, from fighters who had mastered Drone Already at the front. These groups later grew into companies and command centers. The organization chart caught up with reality retroactively: a unit first fights, then is legitimized. It's difficult to reconstruct the exact organization charts of drone companies in brigades from open sources: the data is fragmentary and varies from unit to unit. But the direction is clear: drones, instead of being an add-on to a reconnaissance battalion, have become the foundation of everything.

The infantry has also changed. A motorized rifle platoon, designed to advance in lines behind armor, is increasingly being reorganized into an assault detachment on a static front: small groups, their own drone reconnaissance, their own communications jamming equipment. Armor operates differently, too. A tank, which in textbooks rammed defenses at the tip of the spear, behaves differently on a continuous front under drones. Now it's a mobile firing point: it can engage directly, "dismantle" a strongpoint, and then retreat before a counterattack can arrive. That same breakthrough vehicle now avoids breakthroughs. BMPs and armored personnel carriers increasingly serve as "armored taxis": they transport an assault group to a dismounting point and quickly retreat, and they no longer travel with infantry in the general line.

The organization chart barely anticipated any of this. It described a formation in which a tank rams, infantry advances in chains, and a drone is an exotic reconnaissance battalion. The front reshuffled these roles. And the organization chart remains an old map: the roads on it are no longer the same as those under the wheels.

A frame instead of a fist


Most of the time, a brigade headquarters in trench warfare commands not so much its own battalions as those of other units. Army artillery battalions, separate engineering units, electronic warfare assets, and volunteer units are assigned to the brigade. The headquarters coordinates their fire, assigns them missions, and integrates their data into a single picture. While its core organization remains, it is the assigned assets that largely hold the defense or ensure advancement.

Thus, the brigade ceases to be a self-sufficient force. It is now more like a supporting frame onto which other people's assets are hung. A temporary force, asymmetrical in composition, is assembled around the organic command, motorized rifle battalions, and basic logistics: in some places there is a preponderance of artillery, in others engineers, and in others drones. This composition lasts for weeks and months, then is reshuffled for a new mission. Only the core and headquarters remain constant: attached units come and go.

And so the reform logic is unfolding: what was cut from divisions into brigades in the late 2000s is now being reassembled in some places. Some motorized rifle brigades are being reformed into divisions. The logic here is organizational and follows directly from the mission. A brigade with two or three battalions in a long sector quickly reaches its limits: there's nothing to maintain depth with, nothing to replace destroyed units with, and not enough of its own long-range reinforcements. A division fills precisely these gaps—several regiments and its own divisional assets provide what a brigade lacks in a long war: a margin of safety and the ability to distribute the load. This isn't the brigade's funeral. It simply has its limits: where it's necessary not to rush, but to hold out for a long time, a larger unit is more reliable. Let me clarify: there are few publicly available dates and numbers for specific divisional reformations, and it's difficult to judge the scale of the process from them, but as an organizational measure, this decision is clearly visible.

At the same time, the brigade is still in existence. Where mobility and rapid local group assembly are paramount, the brigade format remains the norm. Both division and brigade coexist in the ranks, each serving its own specific mission.

A brigade on paper and a brigade at the front have long been two different units. On paper, it's a compact, self-sufficient force. At the front, it's a command center that cobbles together a fighting force from its core and assigned resources for a specific area. And today, a brigade's value isn't its line items on the roster, but whether headquarters can assemble a viable force from all of this for its section of the front.
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  1. +6
    5 June 2026 07: 19
    A brigade on paper and a brigade at the front have long been two different units.

    It's always been like this. Including during the Great Patriotic War. The divisional strength was around 5500 men, often less. The Great Patriotic War was essentially won with brigades, and divisional staffing levels were based on the number of papakhas. laughing
    1. + 33
      5 June 2026 07: 43
      But now we're told of the unparalleled feat of our soldier, who hid in the gray zone and single-handedly monitored enemy movements for eight months (!!!). His entire "division" was behind him, supplying him with food, clothing, and radio batteries. And when he spotted an enemy in his field of view, he directed his artillery there. There was no mention of the "division" having reconnaissance UAVs... Or maybe they launched them while he was sleeping.
      The soldier's position was not rotated, as this could expose his identity. However, he was given the opportunity to speak with his wife without revealing his circumstances.
      Proverbs and sayings come to mind: “Even one is a warrior in the field”, “One for all and all at the expense of one”, “We sing a song to the madness of the brave”.
      But for some reason, I'm overcome by the question: Is this really necessary? Is this the war we're in now? And the "division" commander won't face any consequences for this, or maybe even reward the soldier first?
      1. +1
        5 June 2026 21: 28
        I'm not a military man, but I have similar questions.
      2. 0
        8 June 2026 13: 52
        I guess every soldier understands that they're their commander's combat unit, or at least has some practical experience of it, so there's no point in complaining. You probably have to be prepared to be sacrificed when necessary.
    2. +7
      5 June 2026 07: 49
      The Great Patriotic War was essentially won by brigades
      Why do you think so????
      "General of the Army Zhukov spoke about the need to create and strengthen especially combat-ready units in December 1940, at a meeting of the highest command of the Red Army:
      "Shock armies must be used in decisive sectors of the front. Each must have sufficient forces and suppressive means to ensure a rapid breakthrough of the enemy front and a reliable penetration of the entire depth of its defenses. A shock army consists of 4-5 rifle corps, up to 7-9 artillery regiments, reserve artillery, 3-5 tank brigades, and 2-3 air divisions. In auxiliary sectors, conventional armies, with weaker weapons and logistical resources, should be deployed." Two Wars—military history. And by 1945, this had not become obsolete; it had only evolved. You exaggerated the role of brigades.
      1. +7
        5 June 2026 09: 49
        The Great Patriotic War was essentially won by brigades
        Why do you think so????
        "General of the Army Zhukov spoke about the need to create and strengthen especially combat-ready units in December 1940, at a meeting of the highest command of the Red Army:
        "Shock armies must be used in decisive sectors of the front. Each must have sufficient forces and suppressive means to ensure a rapid breakthrough of the enemy front and a reliable penetration of the entire depth of its defenses. A shock army consists of 4-5 rifle corps, up to 7-9 artillery regiments, reserve artillery, 3-5 tank brigades, and 2-3 air divisions. In auxiliary sectors, conventional armies, with weaker weapons and logistical resources, should be deployed." Two Wars—military history. And by 1945, this had not become obsolete; it had only evolved. You exaggerated the role of brigades.

        I'm referring to the topic of the article. On paper (according to the organization chart) it's a division, but in reality (according to the list) it's a brigade.

        By 1945, Zhukov had developed this laughing for example, that the average number of so-called "divisions" in the Berlin operation in the zone of the 1st Belorussian Front was 5000-6000 people, while Rokossovsky's division in the 2nd Belorussian Front was generally less than 5000.
        This is BEFORE the operation, at the peak of preparation. By the time of the Reichstag, it's good if there are 2000 left. wink
        1. +1
          15 June 2026 01: 48
          Losses in the Berlin Offensive: 80000 killed, 270000 wounded. Out of 2.5 million fighters. Where did you see 60% losses? Can you stop lying?
      2. -1
        5 June 2026 17: 09
        He said and did different things. Many of us can talk, but no one can do it. During the war, up until the end of 1944, the Germans had divisions of at least 10. And we, as the comrade correctly wrote, typically had 5. We had more staff and support staff than the Germans.
        1. +3
          5 June 2026 17: 54
          The Germans have more staff and support staff, just look at the company roster, the Germans have staff and support staff starting from the company, that's why the divisions are larger
        2. -1
          5 June 2026 21: 30
          At the beginning of the war, our standard division was 14 thousand. The Germans had 12 thousand. The imbalances were elsewhere.
      3. +2
        5 June 2026 20: 46
        Quote: Sibiryak 66
        must have such forces and means of suppression that will ensure an operational breakthrough of the front

        And what has changed now?
        They say that drones are attacking.
        If they're attacking twenty tanks for every attacking tank, it means we don't have the "forces and suppression capabilities that would ensure a rapid breakthrough of the front." This includes suppressing its drones and gaining air superiority.
        What to do, what to do!?
        Create such means and use them correctly. If we do this, the enemy will be routed.
        Can't? We must. There is no other way to victory on the battlefield.
    3. +4
      5 June 2026 07: 49
      Quote: Arzt
      The Great Patriotic War was essentially won by brigades

      Not quite. Chief of the General Staff Shaposhnikov abolished mechanized corps as early as August 41, but by 42, as production increased, tank armies were already being organized. However, these armies were short of ammunition: the armies' tank brigades lacked howitzer batteries due to a shortage of high-speed artillery tractors, and horses couldn't keep up with tanks. Howitzers were essential for destroying the anti-tank guns of German infantry divisions, and our air force still had poor interaction with tanks, unlike the Luftwaffe. In the fall of 43, Russiyanov's 1st Guards Mechanized Corps, practically alone among the mechanized corps, had two ML-20 batteries and a SU-122 regiment, which was later supplemented by a SU-152 regiment.
      1. +5
        5 June 2026 09: 57
        Not quite. Chief of the General Staff Shaposhnikov abolished mechanized corps as early as August 41, but by 42, as production increased, tank armies were already being organized. However, these armies were short of ammunition: the armies' tank brigades lacked howitzer batteries due to a shortage of high-speed artillery tractors, and horses couldn't keep up with tanks. Howitzers were essential for destroying the anti-tank guns of German infantry divisions, and our air force still had poor interaction with tanks, unlike the Luftwaffe. In the fall of 43, Russiyanov's 1st Guards Mechanized Corps, practically alone among the mechanized corps, had two ML-20 batteries and a SU-122 regiment, which was later supplemented by a SU-152 regiment.

        We're talking about the actual numerical strength of tactical units. Staffing levels exist only in personnel files, in General Staff instructors' textbooks, and, at best, in show-off peacetime divisions. laughing

        As soon as it comes to a real war, we immediately form vinaigrettes from different units, numbering 3000-5000 people, who are actually fighting.

        At the same time, combat coordination is practically non-existent, and this is the main feature and the main flaw in the training of our troops.


        The 3rd Motorized Rifle Division entered Kharkiv in 2022. Where is it? wink
        1. 0
          5 June 2026 17: 59
          Servicemen from the 3rd Motorized Rifle Division of the 20th Combined Arms Army of the West group of forces destroyed several enemy attack UAVs.
          somewhere in the *West* group

          This problem is due to the mixed staffing, and when military actions begin, conscripts are left at bases,
        2. +1
          6 June 2026 03: 54
          Quote: Arzt
          At the same time, combat coordination is practically non-existent, and this is the main feature and the main flaw in the training of our troops.

          The 3rd Motorized Rifle Division entered Kharkiv in 2022. Where is it?

          Well, this isn't combat coordination; the question is for the commander: why does his reconnaissance company just go forward while the rest are standing still? It looks more like there's been no combat coordination between the division commander and the regiment commander.
          1. 0
            6 June 2026 07: 16
            Well, this isn't combat coordination; the question is for the commander: why does his reconnaissance company just go forward while the rest are standing still? It looks more like there's been no combat coordination between the division commander and the regiment commander.

            That's the point. This division couldn't fit in one place even in peacetime.
      2. 0
        5 June 2026 17: 13
        No offense, but almost ALL of the Germans' artillery was horse-drawn. Only the divisions' anti-tank battalions were motorized. In our army, all heavy artillery was mechanized.
        1. -1
          5 June 2026 17: 58
          Quote: yuri.
          No offense, but almost ALL of the Germans' artillery was horse-drawn. Only the divisions' anti-tank battalions were motorized. In our army, all heavy artillery was mechanized.

          I mean no offense, but for the Germans, the role of howitzer artillery was played by aircraft and dive bombers. Even a tank company commander could give targeting information to pilots...ours didn't even have proper air cover. And German pilots were especially keen on the radio communications vehicles of tank brigades; not only could they call in aircraft, but they often lost contact with command...
          1. -1
            6 June 2026 22: 14
            Quote: Konnick
            I don’t mean to be offended, but for the Germans, the role of howitzer artillery was played by aviation.

            Don't talk nonsense. According to the organization chart, a German infantry division had: 20 75mm infantry guns, 36 105mm howitzers, and 12 150mm howitzers.
            1. -1
              6 June 2026 23: 05
              Read carefully about tanks
              1. +1
                7 June 2026 09: 13
                Quote: Konnick
                Read carefully about tanks

                What do tanks have to do with it?
                You wrote about aviation, which replaces howitzers.
                I answered that.
        2. +4
          5 June 2026 19: 23
          The Germans also had mechanically-powered heavy artillery. Horse-mounted artillery consisted primarily of divisional-sized artillery (105mm and 150mm howitzers), exclusively in infantry divisions. In tank divisions, the Germans generally preferred self-propelled howitzers.
          1. -1
            7 June 2026 09: 28
            Quote: The Meaning of Life
            The Germans also had mechanically-powered heavy artillery. Horse-mounted artillery consisted primarily of divisional-sized artillery (105mm and 150mm howitzers), exclusively in infantry divisions. In tank divisions, the Germans generally preferred self-propelled howitzers.

            This happened in '43, when our air force was able to turn the tide in the air. Until '42, German mobile units were always supported by powerful strikes from ground attack aircraft.
      3. -2
        5 June 2026 18: 43
        There was just a shortage in these armies: the tank brigades of the armies did not have howitzer batteries on staff due to the lack of high-speed artillery tractors, and it was impossible to keep up with tanks on horses.

        And it didn’t occur to the Red Army commanders to remove the useless turret from the T-60 and install an M-30 there?
        1. +1
          6 June 2026 11: 58
          belay
          This question causes nothing but hysterical laughter!!
          Put an M-30 on a T-60!!!! This is a masterpiece, just fucking hell!!!!! fool
          1. +1
            6 June 2026 14: 04
            Quote: Evgesha
            This question causes nothing but hysterical laughter!!

            Laughter without reason is a sign of mental retardation.
            Educate yourself in an accessible form https://dzen.ru/a/YcoD3p4Fd0NhXgJh
            1. +1
              12 June 2026 14: 35
              The Soviet M-30 122mm and the German 105mm are two guns with very different ammunition power. Just remember how the Germans slapped a 150mm on the Pz1-Bison in 40. And what a terrible piece of crap that was. It remained a small-scale experiment. The suspension couldn't handle it, plus it offered zero real speed or mobility.
              The Vespe, a successful and widespread design, was also a 105. There were also 150mm self-propelled guns on the chassis of the "two"—again, the Bison—but again, there were only a couple dozen of them due to a severe shortage of vehicles. All large-caliber guns were mounted on the chassis of the "threes/fours" and higher.
              We didn't have a gun between the 76 and 122 calibers. Or rather, we did have one—the same 107 caliber. But it wasn't mass-produced under war conditions.
              That's how I fought—76mm "light" artillery caliber, 122mm heavy, and then super-heavy. There was no middle ground.
              1. 0
                15 June 2026 01: 54
                The 122 isn't heavy at all. It's just average. It's only 50% heavier than the 107.
                1. 0
                  16 June 2026 13: 46
                  "Only 50% heavier than the 107" (which is literally a medium caliber)... That is, one and a half times heavier... That is, the recoil and load on the chassis are literally night and day. This is what I'm talking about and the emphasis is on.
                  Yes. I don't dispute that the M30 is technically a medium divisional artillery piece. But it's still a heavy weapon in terms of the missions it performs, and most importantly, for armored vehicles.
              2. 0
                15 June 2026 21: 28
                122 Soviet M-30 and German 105 are two guns with very different ammunition power.

                The basis is also different: a British tracked machine-gun "tachanka" weighing a couple of tons and a small, but still fully-fledged light tank.
                1. +1
                  16 June 2026 14: 12
                  First, the Komsomolets (a similar tachanka) was equipped with a 57mm gun—the ZiS-30 self-propelled gun. And it was bad in every way. So bad, in fact, that such a monstrous design was never replicated. They did it in 41 out of desperation (just like the Germans did with their amazing creations).
                  Secondly, the T-60 wasn't much different in terms of chassis capabilities—it's a light platform. They slapped on a 76mm cannon. A 122mm can't fit in there at all. The chassis was falling apart, and there was no room for the crew or ammo. There was both a separate project for a 122mm self-propelled gun based on the T-60 and another one based on the excrement of the Su-76. The result was the same—no point in wasting time.
                  Thirdly, do you really think that the engineers and management of those years did not think about making a similar self-propelled gun, and for some reason (out of laziness, apparently) did not do it?)))
                  This is actually what I was writing about: if we had established production of those same 107mm guns, we'd probably have a self-propelled gun like that in our ranks. But the 122 is only based on medium and heavy tanks—and that's a completely different class of self-propelled gun, with a different price tag for the resources required.
                  Yes, in '41, and even in '42, it would have been useful in any form, but the resources and capacity for it weren't there. And when they did appear in '43, they had enough sense not to make an unreliable cuttlefish with a club in every possible place.
                2. 0
                  20 June 2026 01: 37
                  but still a full-fledged light tank

                  It's like a ersatz tank, made because it was impossible to do anything better. When there's no fish, even a crayfish becomes a fish. The T-60, too—well, there simply wasn't anything better, industry couldn't make anything better at the time. The dual-engine gimmick alone is more than enough. And if you want to mount an M-30 on it, it'll fall apart after a dozen shots, if not sooner.
            2. +1
              20 June 2026 01: 32
              Quote: clou
              Laughter without reason is a sign of mental retardation.

              How could there be no reason for this? You yourself created the reason for this laughter!!! You want to shove an M-30 onto a T-60!

              Quote: clou
              Educate yourself in an accessible form https://dzen.ru/a/YcoD3p4Fd0NhXgJh

              Are you suggesting to become enlightened by Zen? belay fool
              This isn't even funny!!! I can only cry because someone is looking for enlightenment on dzen.ru.
    4. +6
      5 June 2026 08: 12
      Actually, the problem didn't start with us. Even in the Roman army, there was a practice of bills of exchange, where, say, a cohort of a legion from the German border would be sent on a mission to the Danube. It would remain there for a long time, and often never return. So, on paper, a stretch of the border was covered by 6,000 men, but in practice, only 2,000. And Constantine the Great's reform merely legitimized the existing state of affairs, creating units of 1,000 to 1,500 fighters. Because it was pointless to disperse such a unit—the only way to move it around was to move it around en bloc.
    5. -3
      5 June 2026 08: 50
      Blessed is he who believes.
      Where did you get this from?
      In WWII there were fronts, armies, divisions, etc.
      It is logical that during the offensive the number of units decreased, but our armies and divisions created such a density of fire that the defenders also very quickly ran out of troops.
      So there were no brigades except for the marines in WWII.
      1. + 10
        5 June 2026 10: 05
        Blessed is he who believes.

        That's exactly it. It says "fuck" on the fence too, and there's firewood lying there. laughing
        I currently have 124 people on staff in my department, but in reality there are 43. Treat them however you want, but do it well. laughing

        Vasilevsky had the same thing at König: 106 men in 27 divisions. Divide that up yourself to see how many men are in a "division." wink

        Well, here's the layout right away.
        1. -3
          5 June 2026 10: 19
          The point is not how much there should be and how much there is.
          The point is that a brigade can't solve the problems of a division, even if there are several of them.
          The division is part of the army and ensures the fulfillment of army tasks.
          What does the brigade provide and what interaction does it have with other branches and types of troops?
          And the numerical composition is a supply, like everything else.
          1. +4
            5 June 2026 10: 36
            The point is not how much there should be and how much there is.
            The point is that a brigade can't solve the problems of a division, even if there are several of them.
            The division is part of the army and ensures the fulfillment of army tasks.
            What does the brigade provide and what interaction does it have with other branches and types of troops?
            And the numerical composition is a supply, like everything else.

            The point is reality. If you look closely, beginning with Rome, infantry fought in tactical units of 3000-6000 men. And interestingly, this was true regardless of whether they used spears or firearms. wink IMHO, this is due to the anatomical dimensions and proportions of the human body. The horse/rider system, for example, has a thousand roots.

            Take Chechnya, the assault on Grozny - 4 groups:
            North - 4097 people.
            North-East - 2228.
            East - 2925.
            West - 4629.

            Why didn’t Rokhlin bring in the ENTIRE 20th Division, but only 2 regiments and a reconnaissance battalion? winked
            For the same reason that Vasilevsky did not unite the 27 castrated divisions into 9 full-fledged ones at Königsberg.

            A STAFFED MOTORIZED RIFLE DIVISION OF 12-15 THOUSAND IS AN UNCONTROLLED HORDE.
            It is IMPOSSIBLE to fight with such a unit. stop
            1. 0
              5 June 2026 14: 35
              In modern conditions, a motorized rifle division is a rudiment.
              But let's call it a division of modern construction - 15 thousand people equipped with communications and modern weapons, satellite support, etc. Types of satisfaction - this is strength!!!
              And the fact that we don’t have this is up to Saint Shoigu and his devilish deputies.
              And to those who knew nothing about this and were misinformed
            2. +2
              5 June 2026 15: 39
              Quote: Arzt
              A STAFFED MOTORIZED RIFLE DIVISION OF 12-15 THOUSAND IS AN UNCONTROLLED HORDE.
              It is IMPOSSIBLE to fight with such a unit.

              Why is that impossible? We simply need to fight on the front lines in brigades. And the division should retain the same functions previously performed by the corps unit: overall command and control of the brigades, a small reserve force, artillery, aviation, communications and electronic warfare, repairs, and supplies.
              In general, a heavy division of our sworn friends.
              1. +2
                5 June 2026 16: 04
                Why is that impossible? We simply need to fight on the front lines in brigades. And the division should retain the same functions previously performed by the corps unit: overall command and control of the brigades, a small reserve force, artillery, aviation, communications and electronic warfare, repairs, and supplies.
                In general, a heavy division of our sworn friends.

                This number is established automatically, through trial and error, during combat operations. In 1941, there were full-fledged divisions, mechanized corps, and cavalry as far as the eye could see. When the war began, they reached the optimum. Commanders didn't demand a full complement after losses; 4000-5000 was fine for everyone.

                Sworn enemies – the Wehrmacht? Yes, they could. But upon closer inspection, they too were divided into two or three parts. negative
                1. +1
                  8 June 2026 11: 51
                  Quote: Arzt
                  The commanders did not demand that the staff be brought up to the level after the losses; 4000-5000 suited everyone.

                  Don't pass off necessity as virtue. A 5000-man division is a consequence of the USSR's exhausted mobilization resources by the end of the war. Where in 1941 they recruited personnel for several divisions, in 1944-45 they could only mobilize a couple of battalions.
                  The army men were aware of the conscription situation. So the same GKZh demanded at least thirty thousand reinforcements to bring the divisions up to at least six thousand men. But his neighbor, Comrade Rokossovsky, I'm not used to half measures - and at the end of the winter of 1945 he demanded as many as one hundred thousand reinforcements for his front.
                  1. +1
                    8 June 2026 15: 02
                    Don't pass off necessity as virtue. A 5000-man division is a consequence of the USSR's exhausted mobilization resources by the end of the war. Where in 1941 they recruited personnel for several divisions, in 1944-45 they could only mobilize a couple of battalions.
                    The army men were aware of the conscription situation. So the same GKZh demanded at least thirty thousand reinforcements to bring the divisions up to at least six thousand men. But his neighbor, Comrade Rokossovsky, wasn't accustomed to half measures—and at the end of the winter of 1945, he demanded a whopping one hundred thousand reinforcements for his front.

                    You have a cake. It's big, 3 kg. The question is how many pieces to cut it into so it's easy to eat. good
                    No one stopped them from consolidating several half-strength divisions into one and bringing it up to full strength. But for some reason, they preferred to fight with scraps. laughing
                    Even after the war, Rokossovsky, in his post-war assessment, advocated 10,000-12,000-strong divisions. But he was primarily considering the LONGEVITY of combat capability. Clearly, in this sense, 10,000 will wear out later than 5,000. And 20,000 is even better. laughing 30,000 is excellent, we can reach Berlin, even with just one battalion. wink
                    Let's make 30,000 divisions. fellow

                    Now I'll turn to the question of division strength. This is a very serious matter; I don't think anyone would consider a division combat-ready with 3,5-4 men, even though we've launched major operations with divisions of that size, or 5-6 men. But these aren't full-fledged units. We must strive to ensure that the division has sufficient long-range capabilities, so that its offensive capability isn't limited to breaking through the main defensive line. Personally, I believe it should have at least 11-12 men. Such a division will have long-range capabilities, and even if it loses up to 50 percent of its strength, it will still be able to continue the offensive. Let me give you an example.

                    During the battles near Moscow, when our units were greatly depleted, a division arrived from Siberia. It had 15 men. Upon entering battle, this division routed two German divisions within ten days and prevented the enemy from advancing in its zone. Fighting defensively on the approaches to Moscow, it subsequently, without receiving reinforcements, proved capable of going on the offensive and maintaining it for a long time. Another example. In the Drohobych area, divisions of 11 men were committed to battle (7). They serve as a model for our permanent divisions. Southwest of Budapest, the enemy struck precisely at these divisions (8). But they withstood the German onslaught, routed the enemy, and themselves went on the offensive, maintaining full combat capability. Thus, a rifle division must have at least 10-12 men; only then will it have sufficient long-range capabilities.

                    From the speech of Marshal of the Soviet Union K. K. Rokossovsky at the military-scientific conference in the Northern Group of Forces in August 1945 (
            3. 0
              6 June 2026 12: 01
              This... I'm embarrassed to ask. tongue
              What can you say about the size of the division in RIA in 1915?
              1. +1
                6 June 2026 13: 18
                This... I'm embarrassed to ask tongue
                What can you say about the size of the division in RIA in 1915?

                What month in 1915? At the beginning, after they were disbanded, or after the reinforcements? laughing

                The same as usual - at the beginning, huge, unwieldy divisions of 15000, then the Great Retreat with the loss of up to 1000 per division, then replenishment to 5000-6000 optimal ones.
                But here it is difficult to estimate the optimum number; the Germans were pressing with artillery, the situation was too unequal.

                For example, here's the composition of the 3rd Army facing Mackensen on July 10. The top table shows those who have already fought, while the bottom table shows reinforcements, which are even greater than the authorized strength; they brought in everyone they could find. wink
      2. +2
        5 June 2026 17: 22
        For the sake of interest and to broaden your knowledge, read the History of the Great Patriotic War. That is, if you believe what was written during the Soviet era. It states that by the end of 1941, the Red Army had over 150 brigades: rifle, ski, airborne, naval rifle, cadet, and marine brigades. In 1943, almost all of them were reformed into divisions. But they remained as part of the light rifle corps on the Karelian Front until the end of the war.
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          5 June 2026 17: 42
          So what's the catch?
          There were brigades, I indicated the marines.
          The division was created for strategic purposes.
          The war with Ukraine is a strategic operation.
          But our generals wanted to take the formidable one with one regiment.
          You can't win a war with brigades.
          It is necessary to deploy an army of a new type, with rear services, divisions, and everything else.
          The fact that there were divisions in the USSR speaks to their effectiveness.
          The USSR, by the way, won the war against the whole world.
    6. +4
      5 June 2026 15: 35
      Quote: Arzt
      The Great Patriotic War was essentially won by brigades, and the divisional staff was determined by the number of papakhas.

      Not for papakhas. A division is primarily artillery and logistics. Moreover, artillery papakhas should have been sufficient to control artillery far in excess of the standard capacity—by the end of the war, the situation...The regiment is supported in the attack by an artillery division, a couple of artillery brigades and a dozen divisions" has become the norm.
      1. -2
        5 June 2026 15: 59
        Not for papakhas. A division is, first and foremost, artillery and logistics. Moreover, artillery papakhas had to be sufficient to control artillery far in excess of the standard complement—by the end of the war, the situation of "a regiment in attack supported by an artillery division, a couple of artillery brigades, and a dozen battalions" became the norm.

        For dads. laughing There in the table for Königsberg - 106,000 horsepower in 27 divisions.
        A total of 81 generals, including commissars. And if Vasilevsky reduced all of this to nine regular divisions, only 27 would remain. laughing I won't even mention the colonels. wink
  2. +2
    5 June 2026 07: 37
    A tank, which in textbooks rammed defenses at the tip of the spear, behaves differently on a continuous front under drones.

    Even without drones, the tank behaved differently... An ATGM on the battlefield solves problems even better than a drone, only it is more complex and expensive... and the KAZ is still not there.
    1. +7
      5 June 2026 08: 01
      An ATGM performs tasks on the battlefield even better than a drone, but it is more complex and expensive.
      No ATGM will fly 15-20 km. It'll fly for half an hour, selecting a target, looking for telltale signs, and then transmit its reconnaissance data to the operator, ultimately firing its findings. And based on its reconnaissance data, more kamikazes will arrive, conduct further reconnaissance of the target, and decide whether to launch a follow-up strike or continue reconnaissance.
      1. +3
        5 June 2026 08: 10
        Quote: Siberian 66
        An ATGM performs tasks on the battlefield even better than a drone, but it is more complex and expensive.
        No ATGM will fly 15-20 km. It'll fly for half an hour, selecting a target, looking for telltale signs, and then transmit its reconnaissance data to the operator, ultimately firing its findings. And based on its reconnaissance data, more kamikazes will arrive, conduct further reconnaissance of the target, and decide whether to launch a follow-up strike or continue reconnaissance.

        I'm referring to the article where a tank approaches a strongpoint at a direct fire range, which is a zone of confident destruction for ATGMs.
        1. +7
          5 June 2026 08: 43
          In this context, I agree on one level. But speaking with active military personnel, even ATGMs are becoming a rarity these days... everything has shifted toward drones... until they learn how to counter them. Radio-controlled, optical, and AI-powered. And this will involve everything from the individual soldier to the defense of the vehicle. Drones' weaknesses are well known. They just need to be exploited. Yes, they're expensive, but they're more valuable than lives. But as soon as drones become largely useless and stop flying, and when they do, they start missing or being shot down, suddenly ATGMs, artillery, and tanks will all become necessary...
        2. -2
          5 June 2026 18: 08
          So such a support becomes a zone of confident destruction from a tank
      2. +1
        5 June 2026 18: 53
        Quote: Sibiryak 66
        And according to his intelligence, more kamikazes will arrive, conduct further reconnaissance of the target, and decide on a repeat strike, or continue reconnaissance...

        essentially doing the job of a squadron of attack aircraft
    2. +2
      5 June 2026 10: 33
      Quote: Konnick
      Even without drones, the tank behaved differently... An ATGM on the battlefield solves problems even better than a drone, but it is more complex and expensive.

      And an ATGM on a drone solves problems even better.
      1. +1
        5 June 2026 18: 05
        To carry an ATGM, a drone must be large in size and expensive (Reaper, Bayraktar, Orion), and as the SVO and the war in Iran have shown, such drones are fodder for air defense
    3. +1
      5 June 2026 18: 03
      The IDF has reduced its use of armored vehicles in southern Lebanon due to losses and the threat posed by Hezbollah drones. According to Yedioth Ahronoth, the decision was made amid the increasing effectiveness of Lebanese drones.

      There is currently no effective anti-aircraft defense system (AAS) against FPV drones in the world.
  3. 0
    5 June 2026 07: 56
    A tank, which in textbooks rammed defenses at the tip of the spear, behaves differently on a continuous front under drones. Now it's a mobile firing point: it can take direct fire, "dismantle" a strongpoint, and then retreat before a counterattack can arrive..
    A tank is now a substitute or supplement to a self-propelled gun. It fires from cover fifteen kilometers away, trying not to travel anywhere. Because anything moving within 50 kilometers of the front line is subject to drone strikes. And everyone is looking for that kind of target.
    1. +1
      5 June 2026 09: 18
      The tank now fills a niche that has been largely neglected in self-propelled artillery: the self-propelled gun. Those guns classified as self-propelled guns are essentially self-propelled howitzers. They are designed for indirect fire and mortar fire at targets hidden behind terrain. The tank, however, has now become a self-propelled gun, meaning it can fire direct fire at exposed targets and support defenses when attacking enemy armored vehicles. Previously, this role was filled by towed guns and gun-howitzers, but due to the drone threat and improved counter-battery capabilities, towed guns have been phased out in LBS and retained only in fortifications such as pillboxes.
      1. 0
        5 June 2026 18: 46
        The Wehrmacht had an assault gun for this purpose, we had the Su-76.
        After the war, this topic was abandoned, since neither tankers nor artillerymen needed all this in peacetime.
      2. 0
        5 June 2026 18: 55
        Quote: Yuras_Belarus
        The tank now fills a niche that has been largely neglected in self-propelled artillery: the self-propelled gun.

        and it turns out that the best tank right now would be a self-propelled gun like the Su-122, only with a Hyacinth instead of an S-25.
  4. +3
    5 June 2026 08: 07
    Regarding the Brigades, I completely agree with the author; they are designed more for attack than defense. I remember serving in the 35th Separate Guards Airborne Assault Brigade in the GSVG from 1986 to 1988. Our brigade had 4 battalions and an artillery division. It was the only Brigade in the entire GDR. And it was farmed to destroy targets on enemy territory. As the song goes, "We will jump deep in the rear, pound headquarters and missile bases." But I'm not about that. In our unit, each company was a separate combat unit. The company had 3 airborne assault platoons + 4 mortar platoons. The MW had 4 M82 mortars, 4 ATGMs, 1 AGS-17. The battalion had 3 companies, a mortar company with M120, an anti-tank company with boots, communications company, reconnaissance platoon. For general information, I will say that in addition to the 35th Airborne Assault Brigade in the GDR at that time there were 2 or 3 more separate airborne assault battalions.
    1. +4
      5 June 2026 10: 35
      Quote: al252ex
      In our division, each company was a separate combat unit.

      This is the logic of a breakthrough unit, designed for independent action after breaking through the enemy's defenses until the main forces arrive.
  5. +8
    5 June 2026 08: 25
    a supporting frame on which other people's things are hung

    What's dangerous about reinforcing a unit with additional units? Two things: the units aren't well-coordinated, and even the commanders might not know each other. And it's crucial to know how your neighbors will react in different situations. It's one thing to command your own units, which you know personally, trained, and are responsible for. It's quite another to command strangers. You inevitably feel less sorry for them, and there's a temptation to throw them into an unprepared operation for the sake of achieving success. Say, for example, a brigade is assigned a regiment of self-propelled guns. The commander knows they'll be withdrawn after the operation, and you'll remain with your previous complement. So you throw them forward into a breakthrough with all your might—they have to complete the mission, after all, and you feel sorry for your own—they'll be held accountable, and you'll have to fight them later. It's better to lose those on assignment than your own. That leads to unnecessary losses. What's there to think about—they'll run out and give you more.
  6. +9
    5 June 2026 08: 34
    Divisions have the same problems; they're also understaffed and essentially act as brigades. WWII was exactly the same, so the problem isn't with brigades or divisions, but with their equipment and manning.
  7. +4
    5 June 2026 10: 24
    For some reason, the author forgot a very important factor related to the creation of the BTGr: the principle of mixed manning of the armed forces. At the same time, the decision was made not to send conscripts to combat zones.
    With the ground forces projected to number 800,000 in 2022, Shoigu stated that the number of contract soldiers outnumbered conscripts by a factor of two (approximately 420,000 contract soldiers and 210,000 conscripts). The army's manning level was 91%. Moreover, all junior commander and specialist positions were filled by professional personnel, not conscript soldiers and sergeants.
    That is, conscripts in the 2022 army formed the core of the ground forces' motorized riflemen, which was sorely lacking in 2022.
    The BTGr is a necessary measure and an answer to the question of how to create a more or less combat-ready unit from a regiment, brigade, or division without recruiting conscripts, using existing combat-ready equipment or equipment that is simply in working order.
  8. KCA
    0
    5 June 2026 11: 32
    The brigades began to form in 1992, I myself served in 132 and 135
    1. +1
      5 June 2026 12: 47
      There were brigades, and the SA always existed.
      I served in the 235th Guards Cannon Artillery Brigade in 85.
      1. KCA
        0
        5 June 2026 12: 50
        There was no separate motorized rifle brigade, but there were units in different branches of the armed forces.
        1. 0
          5 June 2026 13: 43
          There was no separate motorized rifle brigade

          The 66th and 70th Separate Motorized Rifle Brigades in Afghanistan...
  9. +9
    5 June 2026 15: 31
    The "New Look" reform dismantled the Soviet regimental-divisional structure: divisions were cut into brigades, regiments into battalions. The calculations were clear: maintaining numerous full-fledged divisions was expensive, while the leadership needed compact units ready to quickly deploy for a local conflict or peacekeeping operation.

    I'd like to clarify: maintaining many fully-fledged divisions is expensive, while maintaining a small number of fully-fledged divisions for rapid deployment is pointless. The example of the war of August 8, 2008, was immediately apparent, in which the North Caucasus Military District reserve—the 20th Division—never made it from Volgograd to the front in time.
    There was a need for many independent, combat-ready units at a reasonable cost. That's where the Serdyukov-Makarov brigades came from.
    So, even in peacetime, the "new look" brigade rarely existed at full strength. But its logic was based on a short, maneuverable war, an operation lasting weeks, or at most months. Everything that made the brigade convenient (compactness, mobility, relative autonomy) was tuned precisely for this scenario. And herein lies the catch: a unit designed for a war of weeks will sooner or later face a war lasting years—and then its strengths will become weaknesses.

    No one expected brigades to be the backbone of an army in a major war. The Serdyukov-Makarov reform envisioned a two-component army:
    Permanent readiness brigades - for local conflicts and the first phase of a major war.
    Reserve of conscripts-fellow vipers and BHVT for the mobilization and deployment of divisions for a major war.
    That's why the conscripts' service terms were reduced to one year. According to the reform, they weren't even planned to be used in combat units for service. Conscripts were supposed to be trained in training centers and training units, and then form a reserve force. weekend army, collected regularly for fees.

    And in the end, everything went to hell—because of the financiers and the Arbat generals. No one ever saw Makarov's combat-ready brigades—to cut costs and maintain "tradition," they were filled with conscripts, rationed the rear, and turned into analogues of pre-reform divisions (which could scrape together a combined force of a third of their personnel for combat). And they tried to cram both training and service into the conscripts within a year.
    By the start of hostilities, many brigades were understaffed, a situation that had persisted since the reform years. There were not enough contract soldiers, and some equipment was listed on paper but was actually awaiting repairs. This situation gave birth to a working tool: the battalion tactical group (BTGr).

    Hello, pre-Serdyukov division. sad

    First, they ruined the reform with their own hands, and then complained that Serdyukov's brigades were bad. It's reminiscent of the "nationwide condemnation" of Yudashkin's uniform, which Yudashkin himself called a "Chinese knockoff of the brand."
    1. +2
      5 June 2026 20: 39
      The most sensible comment! good
  10. +1
    5 June 2026 21: 25
    A solution is needed to gain battlefield dominance. For example, a swarm of drones clearing the skies above friendly units. Then a breakthrough will be possible—the front is currently at its weakest point, both in equipment and personnel. And a continuous radar field to the rear. With an emphasis on numbers, interchangeability, and mobility. Although, realistically, covering all points of economic importance with air defense is unrealistic.
    And then the importance of the first disarming strike grows. Nuclear weapons and then swarms of drones.
  11. +1
    6 June 2026 10: 53
    The US Army is divided into three types of brigades: heavy armored brigades with Abrams and Bradleys, medium mechanized brigades with Strykers, and light infantry brigades with Humvees. The heavy brigades are tasked with breakthroughs, the Strykers with exploiting success, and the infantry brigades with consolidating the terrain and cementing the defense. This is entirely reasonable and logical. Moreover, the equipment of a US infantry brigade is much cheaper and weighs much less than the equipment of a motorized rifle brigade in the Russian Army!
  12. 0
    4 July 2026 08: 44
    1996. A forester arrives in Bamut. After visiting headquarters, he decides to check out the positions. He goes down to Fortanga. The second operational battalion's positions are there. A soldier approaches him and reports: acting battalion commander, Warrant Officer so-and-so. The forester is thoroughly shocked. He asks how many men there are in the battalion. The warrant officer reports 30. The forester is shocked again. And when the acting regiment commander reports that the regiment itself has 200 men...
  13. 0
    4 July 2026 09: 08
    The main reason why tanks are now replacing self-propelled guns is simple. We're running out of self-propelled guns.
    I recently buried a relative. He started 2022 as a self-propelled gun commander, and since 2025, he's been a D-30 commander. We were in the evacuation unit, and we talked. Back in late 2023, the barrels were worn out beyond repair, but they were forced to use them. After losing the self-propelled gun to a drone, they sent him to the D-30. That's it, they said, self-propelled guns are in short supply.
    Even pay attention to the news. They regularly report on the shipment of tanks and infantry fighting vehicles. But in the last couple of years, there's only been one news story about a shipment of MSTAs.
    That's the whole answer.
  14. 0
    30 July 2026 07: 55
    "The tank took direct fire and destroyed the strongpoint" – are you kidding? The year is 2026.