The new Ukrainian-made BTR-4MV armored personnel carrier has been adopted

Ukrainian company "Ukrspetsexport" in the framework of the largest armory the exhibition "IDEX-2013", held in the United Arab Emirates in January 2013, presented a novelty of domestic-made armored vehicles. The new armored personnel carrier is based on the famous BTR-4, but has a number of distinctive characteristics.

The new appearance of the armored personnel carrier is the result of not only the requirements of the Ukrainian military, but also the desire of the Ukrainian manufacturer to make a worthy competition in the global arms market. Recall earlier (to be exact, last year) an armored personnel carrier of the same series - the BTR-4E was adopted by the army of Ukraine. The development of this model of light armored vehicles since the 2007 year, was engaged in the Morozov Kharkiv Design Bureau.

If in a few words to describe the basic version of the BTR-4, it is in its layout is significantly different from the armored personnel carriers that were created earlier, in particular, the BTR-60, BTR-70 and BTR-80. This car has differences with the Russian model BTR-90. In the BTR-4 armored personnel carrier, the control compartment was located in the front of the hull, while the power compartment along with the engine was located in the central part of the left, immediately behind the driver’s seat, and the landing compartment was in the rear of the hull. Such an arrangement of the machine makes it possible to transform the landing and combat compartments to create different types of support vehicles (fire, sanitary, repair and evacuation, command and staff) without altering the technical decisions regarding the placement of the transmission and power plant.

The adoption of an armored personnel carrier was a significant success for the Ukrainian military, but even after that, the Ministry of Defense was interested in further upgrading the BTR-4 armored personnel carrier as the main vehicle for equipping the ground forces of the army. In particular, further modernization was assumed in terms of enhancing armor and mine protection, providing more comfortable conditions for the landing and landing of the landing force. Specialists from the Kharkiv Moroz Design Bureau in a short time managed to meet all these requirements. Thus, the new BTR-4MV armored personnel carrier appeared.

This machine is designed to transport personnel of the ground forces, as well as the implementation of their fire support in modern combat. It is supposed to use an armored personnel carrier in those units that can conduct military operations under any conditions, in particular, in the case of the use of weapons of mass destruction by the enemy. In addition, this armored personnel carrier can be used as a base vehicle for equipping units of the special reaction forces and marine corps. According to the presented characteristics, the machine can be used in any climatic conditions, at any time of the day, on roads of various surfaces and even on impassable roads.

The crew of the new machine is three people, and consists of the commander, driver and gunner, and the landing can include about seven to ten people (it depends on what kind of combat module is installed on the armored personnel carrier).

The exact weight of the armored personnel carrier BTR-4МВ is not declared by the designers. It is known that it is on the order of 17,5 tons, subject to standard and mine booking, and about 22 tons, provided enhanced booking.

The car is driven by one of the three engine models, depending on which manufacturer the customer preferred - the German Deutz, the Ukrainian ZTD, or the Italian Iveco. As for the BTR-4E, it has a three-cylinder diesel engine of Ukrainian production ZTD-3А, which has horsepower and automatic hydromechanical transmission in 400. As for the first model of the BTR-4MV presented at the arms exhibition, this machine was equipped with a German six-cylinder diesel engine Deutz BF6M1015CP, which has horsepower 450 and gives the speed of 110 kilometers per hour. The power reserve is equal to 670 kilometers.

As for the passage and maneuvering qualities, they are basically identical to those possessed by the BTR-4E. Moreover, according to the developers themselves, even after enhancing the level of booking, the new armored personnel carrier retained its buoyancy and could overcome water obstacles at a speed of about 10 kilometers per hour. It is worth noting that the number of armored personnel carriers with similar characteristics and the level of booking, while possessing buoyancy, is quite small. However, it should be borne in mind that in the event of further armor gain, it will be impossible to maintain buoyancy. In addition, in most cases, customers are not very interested in buoyancy, the main characteristics when choosing a particular model are the survivability of the vehicle and crew in a collision with firing means of defeating the enemy not only on the battlefield, but also in the conditions of peacekeeping operations.

Another distinctive feature of the new armored personnel carrier is that its ballistic protection level has been significantly increased. Thus, according to the requirements of STANAG-4269, the BTR-4МВ possesses the 5 level of protection, that is, it is able to withstand shelling millimeter 25 caliber from a distance of about half a kilometer.

If we compare the new car with the BTR-4E, then its layout in the nose section is significantly changed. In order to strengthen the reservation of the frontal part, it was decided to completely abandon the armored glass, as well as from the side doors of the driver and commander. Thus, it is possible to install additional, including dynamic and ceramic protection. In addition, according to a certain level of mine protection, the BTR-4MB has an 3 level of ballistic protection according to NATO standards, that is, it is able to withstand an explosion of a mine of about 8 kilograms in TNT. At the same time, an additional grid can be installed on the armored personnel carrier to provide protection against various types of hand-held anti-tank grenades.

If we talk about the firepower of the new armored personnel carrier, it should be noted that it is very significant. The BTR-4MV provides for the installation of various types of combat universal modules with rendered weapons, designed specifically for light armored vehicles. In particular, we are talking about remote-controlled modules "Storm", "Grad" and "Parus", BAU-32, as well as combat modules of foreign production (depending on the wishes of the customer). As for the first model presented in the United Arab Emirates, the Parus module was installed on it, consisting of a ZTM-1 cannon of 30 caliber of millimeters, a coaxial machine gun, an 7,62 caliber of a millimeter, an AG-17 automatic grenade launcher and an anti-tank missile system Barrier .

Note that the combat module can control both the shooter and the commander with the help of electromechanics. Observation and aiming can be conducted using low-level opto-electronic television devices. In addition, a separate panoramic surveillance device, the Panorama-2P target designator, is provided for the commander.

Together with the complex "Sail" in the landing compartment can fit 7 people. The driver and commander can land and disembark either through the stern, like a landing party, or use the upper hatches. On the right side between the control and landing sections there is a small passage. For orientation and analysis of the situation, the commander may use a circular chamber mounted on the tower. The image is transmitted to the monitor installed in front of the commander.

And finally, another feature of the new BTR-4MV armored personnel carrier is the new aft part. Instead of a door with a vertical middle jumper mounted on the BTR-4E, there is a special ramp that is lowered across the entire width of the landing compartment, which makes it possible to significantly speed up the process of landing and disembarking the landing force. In addition, it allows the use of an armored personnel carrier as a carrier of bulky goods, in particular, additional ammunition, weapons and spare parts. The ramp also has an additional door that can be used for landing and landing troops.

Materials used:
http://www.armouredvehicle.info/?p=305
http://www.ukroboronprom.com.ua/ua/communications/zmi/28
http://ruforum.mt5.com/threads/31780-vozrozhdenii-vooruzhennih-sil-ukraini.-fakti.novosti.mneniya/page35
http://army-news.ru/2013/02/sozdan-opytnyj-ekzemplyar-ukrainskogo-btr-4mv-bucefal/

Comments

[MilaPhone]

Young Ukrainian - a garn machine.

[bask]

Quote: Milafon

Young Ukrainian - garn machine

Those who argue, at least do something, they constantly upgrade.
We have in place a more modern BTR-90 ((without aft entrance, etc. ..)) but we have nothing more modern.
Again began production, BTR80 / 82.
In the presented images, the BTR -4 MV has no anti-fragmentation lining in the case.
3STANAG mine protection is declared. But the bottom of the armored personnel carrier is flat.
And to pull out an 8-kg undermining in a fuel cell without a v-shaped bottom is fantastic.
Ballistic protection 25 mm projectile, with 500 meters. STANAG-5. Look overpriced.
The 25-mm M242 cannon, Bushmaster, has an external automatic chain drive and dual-belt firing 25/137-mm ammunition, are widely used in NATO.
They stand, on the BMP ,, Bradley ,, M2 and Dardo or BTR LAV-25 with a wheel formula of 8/8.
25 mm shells; high-explosive fragmentation, semi-armor-piercing high-explosive incendiary, sub-caliber, multi-purpose and practical training.
In the 90s, a feathered armor-piercing tracer with detachable leading parts, the M919 with a core from depleted uranium DU, was introduced into the United States.
Tag, the ATK, Mecar and Oerlikon firms delivered APFSDS-T shells with a tungsten core to the troops.
25-mm projectile - Oerlikon PMB090, subsequently adopted by the United States, Canada, and other NATO countries.
Punching ability; penetrate rolled homogeneous armor, 31 mm thick when impacted at an angle of 60 ° at a distance of 2 km.
What BTR -4 MV armor is more than 31 mm?
Whereas he kept within the weight of 17,5 to 22 tons.

[Roll]

Ukrainian armored personnel carrier is not designed to deal with ravings and other similar machines, it is an export armored personnel carrier and is designed to solve a limited range of tasks.

[Akim]

Quote: Rolm

Ukrainian armored personnel carrier is not intended to deal with ravings

An armored personnel carrier is an infantry transporter, not a duel vehicle. But the BTR-3 (4) armament allows him to fight even with tanks

[self-propelled]

Quote: Rolm

Ukrainian armored personnel carrier is not designed to deal with ravings and other similar machines,

An armored personnel carrier is actually an abbreviation for Armored TRANSPORTER. his task is TRANSPORT infantry (or cargo) to the specified point (possibly with enemy fire reaction). no more. his task is not to counteract the armored vehicles of the enemy. wrong goals

[self-propelled]

Quote: roial

You didn’t know that according to the new combat charter of Russi, an armored troop-carrier is replacing a tank, and must successfully deal with any enemy tanks

You will be eaten for such words

[Apollo]

Quote: roial

You didn’t know that according to the new military charter ...........

for the distortion of the name of the state and it was done in my opinion, you deliberately delete comments, I hope this will serve you as a good lesson.

[jump master]

And why then! Pizza to deliver? And about the boys sitting inside then who will think?

[Akim]

Quote: jumpmaster

And why then! Pizza to deliver?

It is precisely because of wrong tactics that people died on mines in Afghanistan and Chechnya. What was difficult to develop MPAPs? (they were already in South Africa then) But MRAP does not need such a set of weapons. The APC goes behind the infantry, and the BMP is next to it in the line or slightly ahead. They are intended for conventional combat, not for "guerrilla" wars.

[the47th]

Quote: bask

We have in place a more modern BTR-90 ((without aft entrance, etc. ..)) but we have nothing more modern.
Again began production, BTR80 / 82.

I heard in the news the opinion of one military man on the BTR-90, saying that he weighs more than the BMP-3, and the armament and armor are worse and more expensive. A speed of 100 km / h is needed in isolated cases.

[Avenger711]

You can not even doubt it. A machine with the formula 8 * 8 with a weight of 20+ tons is already practically inapplicable, and we must switch to the tracks, especially since the tracks give in addition to the cross-country ability a lot of profit.

[self-propelled]

Quote: Avenger711

A machine with the formula 8 * 8 with a weight of 20 + tons is already practically inapplicable

well, don't be so categorical. even with a mass of 24 tons, each axle (on average) has 6 tons, which is far from critical for wheeled vehicles. yes, the cross-country ability is lower in comparison with tracked vehicles of this class (but again, not so much that "everything is lost"). but the cost of production and OPERATION (not to mention the resource) will not be in favor of the tracked chassis. I am not an ardent supporter of any one type of chassis. just understand - each combat unit has its own niche in the weapons system ...

[Avenger711]

Please note that we have begun production and have already produced hundreds of cars, and even full of modernized ones. In Ukraine, the release is zero and this craft will remain at the prototype level, in order to end up as a museum expat in Kubinka at best, when the "square" itself will be finally liquidated.

25 mm for 2 km penetrates 31 armor? Willingly believe. And the M242 is such misery that it can be considered as a weapon.

And to pull out an 8-kg undermining in a fuel cell without a v-shaped bottom is fantastic.

Yes, this bottom does not give a damn.

[Professor]

Quote: Avenger711

Yes, this bottom does not give a damn.

Boldly and not true.
Marauder can withstand 8 kg of TNT under the body and 14 kg of TNT under any wheel (incidentally a flat bottom).
Matador can withstand 14 kg TNT under the chassis and 21 kg TNT under any wheel.
Mbombe can withstand 10 kg TNT under the chassis and 10 kg TNT under any wheel.

[yanus]

And to pull out an 8-kg undermining in a fuel cell without a v-shaped bottom is fantastic.

Yes, this bottom does not give a damn

Boldly and not true.
Marauder can withstand 8 kg of TNT under the body and 14 kg of TNT under any wheel (by the way flat bottom).

Simply enchanting

[Professor]

Quote: yanus

Simply enchanting

And then read what gives a V-shaped bottom?
Matador Withstands 14 kg TNT under the body and 21 kg TNT under any wheel.
Mbombe Withstands 10 kg TNT under the body and 10 kg TNT under any wheel.

And here is another enchanting papelac with a V-shaped bottom which "doesn't give a shit"
Fighting engineering machine Buffalo

[MilaPhone]

Quote: yanus

Simply enchanting

Yeah, I noticed too. Wondrously.

[bask]

Quote: professor

The rauder can withstand 8 kg of TNT under the body and 14 kg of TNT under any wheel (incidentally a flat bottom).

Pan.prof .., you are mistaken. Marauder, Mtador, V-shaped bottom.
Mbombe, flat. But undermining 10 kg in t / e for this armored personnel carrier is also fantastic. Laws of physics. Where will all the energy of the blast wave go. ??? The bottom will be a break.
By the way, on a carrot-4 and then a v-shaped bottom.
So, do not, whistle, and do not mislead the members of the forum!

[yanus]

Quote: bask

Mbombe, flat. But undermining 10 kg in t / e for this armored personnel carrier is also fantastic. Laws of physics. Where will all the energy of the blast wave go. ??? The bottom will be a break.

Oh, and can you elaborate on the laws of physics? More precisely, how the V-shaped bottom affects the blast wave.

[Professor]

Quote: bask

Pan.prof .., you are mistaken. Marauder, Mtador, V-shaped bottom.
Mbombe, flat. But undermining 10 kg in t / e for this armored personnel carrier is also fantastic. Laws of physics. Where will all the energy of the blast wave go. ??? The bottom will be a break.
By the way, on a carrot-4 and then a v-shaped bottom.
So, do not, whistle, and do not mislead the members of the forum!

Dear, this is not my first day on the forum and I don’t practice whistling. I repeat especially for you:
The Marauder can withstand 8 kg of TNT under the body and 14 kg of TNT under any wheel (by the way, HERE is a flat bottom).
Matador can withstand 14 kg TNT under the chassis and 21 kg TNT under any wheel.
Mbombe can withstand 10 kg TNT under the chassis and 10 kg TNT under any wheel.

The Marauder can withstand 8 kg of TNT under the casing - this has been tested and proven. I will not refer to my article

[Val_y]

Before clever, about prototypes, find out the topic. In the photo, in Odessa BTR-4 when sending the second batch to Iraq

[Rider]

Quote: Val_Y

Before you get smart, about prototypes, find out the topic

and indeed, it is advisable to clarify the topic.

The Iraqi Ministry of Defense is considering canceling a 2009 contract for the purchase of 420 Ukrainian wheeled armored personnel carriers BTR-4.

According to sources close to the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, the Iraqi military is dissatisfied with some of the technical and operational characteristics of the BTR-4, the quality of their manufacture, as well as chronic disruptions on the Ukrainian side of the delivery time.

taken:http://www.zarusskiy.org/ukraine/2013/01/31/btr/

but there are encouraging data

On February 7, 2013, representatives of the Iraqi Ministry of Defense signed an acceptance certificate for the next batch of 40 Ukrainian-made BTR-4 armored personnel carriers, the Ukrspetsexport website said.

taken:http://lenta.ru/news/2013/02/08/btr4/

[Corneli]

Quote: Rider

The Iraqi Ministry of Defense is considering canceling a 2009 contract for the purchase of 420 Ukrainian wheeled armored personnel carriers BTR-4.

According to sources close to the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, the Iraqi military is dissatisfied with some of the technical and operational characteristics of the BTR-4, the quality of their manufacture, as well as chronic disruptions on the Ukrainian side of the delivery time.

"Fresh" article, 4 months ago

[evil hamster]

You’re ironic in vain, it's all about shells. 2A42 with Erlikonovskoy BPS RMS303 penetrates 38mm / 60grad. with 2 km and this is not the limit there are more annoying shells, I don’t remember exactly on the courage in the topic about tank ammunition if you are interested. So the 2a42 gun is excellent, but our shells are frankly outdated.

[evil hamster]

Good afternoon. Not in the context of this news, I still want to note that the v-shaped bottom is not the only way to provide mine protection, but one of the options. Yes, it is common because it is effective and low cost, both in terms of materials (cost and complexity of manufacture) and in terms of weight. However, it is not always applicable, for example, on a tracked BTT it is completely problematic to apply it fully.

[Yarbay]

Quote: bask

3STANAG mine protection is declared. But the bottom of the armored personnel carrier is flat.
And to pull out an 8-kg undermining in a fuel cell without a v-shaped bottom is fantastic.

also surprised !!

[Denis_SF]

Quote: Milafon

Young Ukrainian - a garn machine.

I am tormented by vague doubts .. Does the BTR-4MV really look suspiciously like the American Stryker, didn’t it seem to anyone?

[bask]

Quote: Denis_SF

tormented by vague doubts .. It really hurts the BTR-4MV to suspiciously look like an American Stryker to no one

This is an industrial design.
And on ,, Patria AMV ,,, Piranha-4,
,, Pandur -2 ,, 8.8

[datur]

[Denis_SF] [Milafon] Young Ukrainian - garna machine. [/ Quote]
Vague doubts torment me .. Does the BTR-4MV look suspiciously like the American Stryker, didn’t it seem to anyone? - this is the current trend-mod !!! Here they are similar to each other !!! and the machine is so-so, but fishless and cancerless !!!!

[xan]

Quote: datur

and the machine is so-so, but fishless and cancerless !!!!

not so, on the bezryba and the bra of the sword belt.

[smershspy]

There is some!

[self-propelled]

Quote: Denis_SF

Was the BTR-4MB painfully suspiciously similar to the American Stryker, didn’t it seem to anyone?

Perhaps this will surprise you, but many cars of this class are similar to each other ... apparently the TTZ for the development of such equipment are similar. so they come to similar solutions. for something more radical, as always, there are not enough funds or "does not correspond to the accepted doctrine" ...

[Geisenberg]

Quote: Milafon

Young Ukrainian - a garn machine.

Wrong word, garn! It will burn like a pioneer bonfire.

[Alexander D.]

It will certainly not burn more strongly than the BTR-82A or BTR-90 ... Oh, yes, I'm sorry, after all, their own military refused the super-Wolverine.

[andrey903]

and we chew snot, we are engaged in tuning the BTR-80

[Avenger711]

BTR-82A covers the same "striker" as a bull to a sheep, actually. At the same time it weighs much less.

[andrey903]

And we chew snot doing tuning BTR-80

[Scarte]

yes, well, you are not talking about the shoto ... "tuning the BTR-80" is the modernization of the armored personnel carriers already in service (which is quite natural) ... but about the "Boomerang (wheeled platform)" and "Combat module" BAHCHA "" you forgot to mention, snot-snot ... 1st unified platform and 2nd combat module, which can be combined without any problems ... Ukrainians are great and Ours are not lagging behind, so there is nothing about snot ...

[pensioner]

Thank God at least something else can. Who will only use? Really yours?

[Cat]

Yes, everything was originally developed for export, they will make, sell, loot in your pocket, and our soldiers are like walking on foot, not a bar. Although there are positive aspects too: design bureaus and factories (God forbid!) Will work and maintain an acceptable level.

[Professor]

subject to standard and mine reservation and about 22 tons, subject to enhanced reservation.
...
In addition, according to a certain level of mine protection, the BTR-4MV has a 3rd level of ballistic protection according to NATO standards, that is, it is able to withstand a mine explosion with a capacity of about 8 kilograms of TNT.

Have appropriate tests been carried out before being adopted?

[pensioner]

Quote: professor

Have appropriate tests been carried out before being adopted?

But what, can it be otherwise, or what? They had plenty of time.

[Professor]

Quote: retired

But what, can it be otherwise, or what?

Unfortunately it can. I will not mention the name of the widely publicized armored car already adopted for service, but never passed the full-scale tests.

[bask]

Quote: professor

past field tests.

Demolition test, 8 kg in t / e RG-31.

[bask]

Mine protection: STANAG-4.a "b.

[Akim]

Quote: bask

bask

These are MRAPs. Not a single combined arms beater can withstand an 8 kg mine. A shellless land mine - maybe. TM-57 was put under the "four". The results are so-so. Maybe the 4M booking was increased?

[Professor]

Great video. And what does it have to do with Ukrainian-made BTR-4MV?

[bask]

Quote: professor

dreamy video. And what does it have to do with Ukrainian-made BTR-4MV?

Pan prof ..., I wonder what is happening to you today?
It is shown how a blast wave from a mine explosion acts on an object.
The v-shaped body gives, the effect of a "flow around" an explosive wave around the body of an armored car.

[Professor]

Quote: bask

The v-shaped body gives, the effect of a "flow around" an explosive wave around the body of an armored car.

What other common truths do you teach us today?

[bask]

Quote: professor

What other common truths do you teach us today?

Pan prof .. God forbid you teach.
You already know everything. I studied with you.
Just made inaccuracies in comments. With whom does not happen.
MIRAP ,,, Matador ,, and ,, Marader ,, have a V-body.
Mbombé, here he has a flat bottom.
And the effect of the shock wave on the flat and v-shaped bottom. Everything.

[Professor]

You are just some kind of restless today. After all, I just wrote on the contrary about one of his flat bottoms (I even wrote an article about him like that), the other two have the V-shaped bottom of the Buffalo I mentioned. So understandable?

Quote: professor

Marauder can withstand 8 kg of TNT under the body and 14 kg of TNT under any wheel (incidentally a flat bottom).
Matador can withstand 14 kg TNT under the chassis and 21 kg TNT under any wheel.
Mbombe can withstand 10 kg TNT under the chassis and 10 kg TNT under any wheel.

But this is all the lyrics, the main thing is that he holds 8 kg under the bottom - a fact.

[Dangerous]

The gun looks cool, like from a science fiction movie, such as a laser)))

[seller trucks]

Hach tuning, rear wings and curtains lacking

[cdrt]

What can I say - well done designers, work.
More precisely, not so - well done, that the first to understand that the "original" path (I mean the landing of the landing is not clear where) ended without leading anywhere.
We realized a few years faster than ours ourselves, and not under the pressure of our military, like ours.

Of course not a breakthrough, but a solid one, apparently not the most expensive armored personnel carrier.
Perhaps due to the price it will be able to squeeze somewhere Patria, Pirana.
BTR-8X will be removed from most markets exactly (which is apparently designed for).

Level 5 STANAG - this is visible when booking to the maximum, the standard is most likely 4.
Mine - 3? I do not believe, most likely 2.

[Avenger711]

Are you so stupid that you believe that a stern exit, which is easily taken when ambushed by sight, is deciding something? At least you can get out of the BTR-80 in such a situation.

[Patton5]

side doors on BTR-70,80, etc. not to take care of the fighters, but because of the design features (in order to fire from the embrasures, the landing party is sitting with its back to each other) and to go out on the opposite side of the seat is mild to say the least, and if shooting from it was not provided for, the landing force would be along the walls, then almost certainly the designers left only one door)))) BTR-60 as an example of concern for the landing!

[pot-bellied]

probably the car is good, its adoption is also a positive moment, but one small one. she will enter the troops at the same time as the project 58250 corvette being built, which means never.

[Alexander D.]

Why such a decadent mood? The corvette is being built for evil to enemies, for the joy of mother (Ukraine). And with him there are no such problems as with the "Sapsan" - here the solution is unequivocal: there will be a corvette! The armored personnel carrier will be finished for some time, since it is still raw, but they will just buy it (unlike the BTR-4E), because the car turned out to be successful.

[Akim]

This is certainly not the BTR-4M. But taking into account the fact that these machines have maximum unification. For Thais, here is the Ukrainian wheeled analogue of the Chrysanthemum.

[evil hamster]

Not! not simular.

[Akim]

Quote: evil hamster

Not! not simular.

And he shouldn't look like. This self-propelled ATGM is a completely Ukrainian development. The Russian "Chrysanthemum" has just the same similar multichannel system. It allows you to shoot 2 ATGMs at once at different targets.

[kind]

Let's see what those who exploit it will say. Now in my opinion it’s too early to praise or cherish.

[Alexey Prikazchikov]

One sheer nonsense, not armored personnel carriers. But the Turks without experience and technology really got interesting models, and this is so very mediocre zakos under modern armored personnel carriers.

[Akim]

Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov

Here, the Turks without experience and technology really interesting models turned out,

And what is original and interesting about them, besides the design? I just want to understand what parameters are used to evaluate armored vehicles. Altay is a good tank. Nothing outstanding, but not mediocre either. And wheeled armored vehicles - just the headlights are more fashionable. Created normally and soundly, but not a breakthrough in armored vehicles. Therefore, it is too early to find fault with 4M.

[Alexey Prikazchikov]

And your armored personnel carrier is a breakthrough ?? !! The Turks did better in my opinion. They, unlike us and you did not shout that they did the coolest and tricked out, and at the exit zilch. They just made a normal armored personnel carrier and everything is nothing outstanding, but just NORMAL armored personnel carrier.

[Akim]

Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov

They, unlike us and you did not shout that they did the coolest and tricked out

Do you read Turkish or English fluently to say so? I don’t know where it was said that the BTR-4 is the coolest. This is written by people who have probably never seen the BTR-80 in their eyes. That's what I often hear and read about Stryker. Now Prokopenko has chosen a similar form.

[Alexey Prikazchikov]

Why do I need this hollow from military secrets. I just see this and that in the photo for the article. You don’t have to be a specialist to understand hu from hu. With regards to the striker, he’s good, but having a number of minuses the most basic one is that the chassis for his car of such a weight is weak and is not designed for its high modernization potential, and its combat module is not stable so that it will not be able to conduct normal combat on the go, and it even makes 82nd.

[Akim]

Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov

you have to be a specialist to understand hu from hu.

And can you then explain what this means? I can also show the four at an angle on the slope. You like it - let it be so. There are buyers for both Ukrainian and Turkish armored personnel carriers.

[Alexey Prikazchikov]

Okay, here personally, what I do not like about your armored personnel carrier. Firstly, the combat module, secondly, the reservation and, most importantly, the lack of a wedge-shaped, preferably double bottom, electronics and workmanship. The photo on the previous post clickably look how the Turkish batter got out and how your is made. By the way, to criticize my own for the same criticism, the complete lack of at least an elementary culture of production that you have with us. Therefore, this your armored personnel carrier 4 looks like it was made in a garage or in the 70-80s of the last century. Yes, I forgot to add and does it have an automated fire extinguishing system or is it just as deaf as with mine protection?

[roial]

so the price of our and Turkish is several times different, this is our first armored personnel carrier so there are and will be sides, maybe in the next modernization there will be a v-shaped bottom and reliable Japanese electronics.
Well, I agree with the culture that this scourge is not only of Ukrainian technology but of all the technology of the countries of the former USSR.

[Alexey Prikazchikov]

So and I think the same thing, his only advantage is that the market will be one of the cheapest armored personnel carriers. IMHO want to move on and do better modernize the plant. Buy machine tools with foreign suppliers. You will establish production chains without this, and you will stagnate in one place. By the way, the kurganmash went exactly the same way with pasta and franchises. It establishes cooperation on armor and tries to work with the Germans with the Germans, and re-equips the equipment. In short, at the moment, for the whole post of the USSR this is the surest way.

[Akim]

Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov

. By the way, to criticize my own for the same criticism, the complete lack of at least an elementary culture of production that you have with us.

I agree about the assembly culture - we can’t take it away from us - because it is not there. You can argue with everything else. I already wrote above the BTR-4 withstands the TM-57. This is an army armored personnel carrier, not for fighting the Kurds. Regarding the fire extinguishing system - there is a photo of carbon dioxide cylinders connected to this system. And the armor is completely different. - even with BTR-4 (3E). It is not homogeneous, but multi-layered. It holds a 12,7 / 13,2 mm bullet on board (it was fired even with Hotchkiss). A 25 mm shell can and is holding forehead - I don’t know. BTR-4 withstood the hit of a 14,5 mm bullet. But this is all garbage. The number of hits on the area is important here. 7,62 from the Minigun is sometimes worse for armor than 14,5 from KPVT. In addition, Ukraine issues ceramic armor as an additional reservation - it is also visible on the Turk.
And what does not like the module? The size?

[Patton5]

I don’t like it because I don’t like it, it’s my personal opinion ........ here at Amers it’s DAAA one name STRIKER is menacing (sarcasm). Oh, these computer game lovers are nourished by the West (((((

[Strashila]

"However, it should be borne in mind that in in case of further armored gain it will be impossible to maintain buoyancy... In addition, in most cases, customers are not very interested in buoyancy, the main characteristics when choosing a particular model is the survivability of the vehicle and the crew in a collision with enemy fire weapons not only on the battlefield, but also in peacekeeping operations. " ... the key phrase.
Our Ministry of Defense needs to decide ... in fact, what kind of armored personnel carrier is necessary, if you make the forcing of water obstacles immediately a must, this is not a question of any increased security, if only on land ... then designers and manufacturers have room for maneuver.

[common man]

I think we need a model floating with a basic level of protection, and a hinged set of additional protection that makes it not floating, but more protected. That is, the chassis should be designed initially for maximum weight. The drive module for water movement is preferably also removable. The landing, in order to satisfy all the debaters, from three sides, rear and side.

[desiscia]

well done, maybe if they want

[USNik]

It's a great car, but 5-10 cars will get into the troops, as usual, and the rest will be exported if there is a buyer, there is a lot of competition here.

[Akim]

Quote: Avenger711

everyone has already understood what Outskirts is.

Not tired of puffing out your cheeks? Have you ever been to Ukraine or make up your entire opinion on TV. In general, an armored vehicle is being discussed here, not a circle of xenophobes. Do not like something in it, please be more specific, for example, and not to the nameplate "Made in ..."

[xan]

Quote: Akim

Have you ever been to Ukraine, or have your whole opinion on TV?

do not rush such phrases.
a visit to Ukraine usually ends with emotions not in favor of Ukraine

[Akim]

Quote: xan

a visit to Ukraine usually ends with emotions not in favor of Ukraine

Have you personally visited or someone on the forums? I also know people who are subjectively negative in favor of Russia. It's one thing to come and immediately look down on you (like a Muscovite in the region). Another is to look at life or life. None of the Russians told me that they were sucking in Odessa.


Anyway. This is not related to the armored personnel carrier.

[xan]

Quote: Akim

None of the Russians told me that they were sucking in Odessa.

A Ukrainian friend goes home on vacation every year. Recently arrived, says it has become especially bad, people are becoming noticeably evil.

[Avenger711]

Well, relaxing with a full wallet of money and living are two different things.

[dominatus]

Do not think that a visit to Russia ends with enthusiasm. Do not flatter yourself.

[xan]

Quote: dominatus

Do not think that a visit to Russia ends with enthusiasm. Do not flatter yourself.

Recently I was in Belgorod.
Belgorod Ukrainians are already starting to feel sorry.

[self-propelled]

Quote: xan

a visit to Ukraine usually ends with emotions not in favor of Ukraine

such phrases can be thrown towards ANY state. and then there are reports about Russophobia in Ukraine, Jewish phobia among Arabs (and vice versa), etc. etc. Do you often visit Ukraine? and often encounter negative emotions about being in Ukraine? and what SPECIFICALLY are they (emotions) expressed? Or maybe you're just a provocateur? ...
and such "can" can be cited a myriad of times.
Do not judge, but you will not be judged ...

[Avenger711]

There have already been many such armored vehicles, where is there even one in the border army? And what about the Iraqi soldiers? They all walk on foot, because they still haven’t received APCs?

[dominatus]

"Another PR from ukrov. The car will not be included either in the ukroarmiya or for export. Everyone in the world has already understood what the Outskirts are."

Here is the opinion of representatives of the country for a long time operating Ukrainian armored vehicles.
The opinion of the command of the Thai army:
“We are very pleased with the quality of the supplied Ukrainian military equipment, and we will deepen our cooperation,” said T. Patimapragorn, Chief of the General Staff of the Royal Thai Army.
http://vpk.name/news/90045_voennaya_delegaciya_tailanda_oznakomilas_s_vozmozhnos

tyami_predpriyatii_gk_ukroboronprom_v_sfere_proizvodstva_vooruzhenii.html

By the way, the Ukrainian "Oplot - m" in the Thai tender for easily and not forcedly bypassed the Raseyanets T-90

And already after deliveries of armored personnel carriers and tanks to Thailand, the Ukrainian KrAZ won a tender for the supply of army trucks for the Thai army.

In addition, Cambodia bought 100 Ukrainian BTR-3E1, signed a contract for the supply of BTR-4 to Kazakhstan with further production under license, in the process of signing a contract for the supply of BTR-4 to Macedonia.

Meanwhile, Raska continues to buy Italian Iveco armored personnel carriers

[Avenger711]

I have some suspicions that this is simply an abuse of the fact that 2,5 anonymous names are known in Thai in the CIS, so what did this beginner say to HZ, and to disgrace himself if he doesn’t also become a UG machine, he coordinated the deliveries himself. And do not run into the T-90, it will have a more solid list of users.

[dominatus]

Due to one or two contracts - deliveries to Indians and Indonesians more than 15 years ago, when it was not that Oplot-M was not. The T-84 has not yet been manufactured.

And I don’t "run over" on the T-90, I am simply stating a fact - the T-90 lost in the tender to the "Oplot - m" tank. This, my friend, is a fact.

[Akim]

Quote: Avenger711

Something I have suspicions that this is simply an abuse of the fact that 2,5 anonymous names are known in Thai CIS

I understand your reflex. Boval wrote an article in an unusual genre for himself, but you still saliva stands out like Pavlov’s dog. Let me just scold Ukraine.
I sympathize with you. Apparently you don’t know that Thais still speak English and French well.

[Akim]

Ahead of the Column

[Akim]

And this is from Myama.

[roial]

Enlighten then, in addition to India, who has posed for it then ???? And what kind of a serious list is this ??

[Gecko]

- Russia - more than 500 T-90s of all modifications, of which about 200 units are in storage, as of 2012.
- Azerbaijan - in 2011, an agreement was signed between the Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan and Rosoboronexport on the purchase of T-90S tanks. Information about the details of the contract, the number of tanks and delivery dates were not disclosed.
- India - about 700 T-90S / SA, as of 2012 (Russian-made tanks and tank kits assembled at the Indian state-owned enterprise HVF)
- Algeria - 185 T-90CA, as of 2012. The supply contract was concluded in 2006 in the amount of $ 1 billion. In total, 300 T-90CA tanks should be delivered
- Turkmenistan - 10 T-90SA, as of 2011. In the summer of 2011, a contract was signed for the supply of another 30 tanks.
- Uganda - 44 T-90CA, as of 2011. Tanks were delivered in 2011 as part of a package contract signed in 2010.
- Kazakhstan is negotiating the purchase of a large number of T-90A tanks.

[Yarbay]

Quote: gecko

Azerbaijan - in 2011, an agreement was signed between the Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan and Rosoboronexport on the purchase of T-90S tanks. Information about the details of the contract, the number of tanks and delivery dates were not disclosed.

the contract has already been canceled !!

[Conepatus]

Maybe I'm wrong, but Azerbaijan seems to be interested in the Turkish tank.
Turkey is like a SP proposed.

[Yarbay]

Quote: Conepatus

Maybe I'm wrong, but Azerbaijan seems to be interested in the Turkish tank.
Turkey is like a SP proposed.

Interested as co-production is possible, but it will not be soon after all !!
Therefore, I wonder what our people will buy in the near future !?

[Conepatus]

Depending on what share of participation Turkey will offer, well, the question of financing.
Again, if repairs and maintenance will be carried out at the Azerbaijani facilities, then the Turkish version looks more promising.
Although it is possible that they will wait for the appearance of "Armata", it is unlikely, of course, but you never know.

[Yarbay]

Quote: Conepatus

Although it is possible that they will wait for the appearance of "Armata", it is unlikely, of course, but you never know.

This tank will be even later than Turkish !!
The question for me remains open in the sense of what will be bought before that ??
Judging by media reports, our canceled all arms contracts with Russia !!
What will they buy Merkava, or what ???

[Conepatus]

Actually, according to the terms of use, the Merkava is just right for Azerbaijan and Georgia. But I don’t think they’ll buy it. In case of anything, Israel will bend in front of Russia (anything, just don’t sell missiles to Hezbollah) and tear off, or prolong the contract . We need a reliable manufacturer who will be able to "toughly" respond to collisions under the contract.

[Yarbay]

Quote: Conepatus

Actually, according to the terms of use, the Merkava is just right for Azerbaijan and Georgia. But I don’t think they’ll buy it. In case of anything, Israel will bend in front of Russia (anything, just don’t sell missiles to Hezbollah) and tear off, or prolong the contract . We need a reliable manufacturer who will be able to "toughly" respond to collisions under the contract.

So Israel sells all possible weapons to us !!
They even give a production license !!

[Conepatus]

I know.
But for example, Russia will tie the S-300 to Syria, with arms supplies from Israel to Azerbaijan (they themselves said that Azerbaijan broke almost all cooperation with Russia)
What will be the reaction of Israel?
By the way, Israel’s corvettes are even nothing, Azerbaijan, through the Navy, has cooperation, or maybe plans?

[Gecko]

Quote: dominatus

not forced to go around raseyanetsky T-90

Quote: dominatus

Meanwhile rashka

For such comments on the Russian site, let's goodbye dill.

[evil hamster]

By the way, the T90 did not participate in this tender, so exhale the beaver.

[wis880863]

And our Ukrainian T-34 is also a PR? And you should know that the Outskirts is Russia, and we Ukraine is the historical name of our places. The name Kievan Rus arose in St. Petersburg in the 18th century at a meeting of historians in order to remove the desired Ukraine.

[Avenger711]

The T-34 is not outskirts, but Soviet. The term "Ukraine" is nothing more than a polished "outskirts", it is obvious that there were plenty of such outskirts, and the very territory of modern Ukraine for Kievan Rus could not be an outskirts. That is, "Ukraine" is not even a place name, it is just the outskirts of Russia, this particular one, which was under Polish occupation for several centuries. And there were many different Rus, in different periods other large principalities could also claim the role of the center. Yes, and so on. Ukraine has always been called Little Russia. It was only in the 18th century, after Poland was sent to the dustbin of history, from where it essentially did not crawl out, the question of many Rus was finally removed after the return of the last occupied territories with an Orthodox Russian population.

[roial]

Dear, let's not insult the feelings of citizens of another country and arrange historical disputes here, let's decide that you are Russians and your country is Russia, and we are Ukrainians and our country is Ukraine. for this site this is enough.
Please respect your opponent and not go rude.

[xan]

Quote: wis880863

And our Ukrainian T-34 is also a PR?

Koshkin did not know that he was a Ukrainian designer.
Kiev Bulgakov fled to Moscow, almost fooling with Ukrainian identity.
The Soviet reserve will soon end, and then we will look about the technical achievements of Ukraine and Russia.

[Patton5]

Although I have a bad attitude towards the state, with your comment you insult all people living in this territory, and first of all engineers who manage to not lose the school of weapons creation in difficult situations and create weapons models that are not inferior to world analogues, here's an example for you who thought of Russia a simple but ingenious solution, so to speak, deploy the tank body back to front to create a full-fledged BTRT and not ersatz

[Niki_1]

some coffin.

[Parabellum]

Ukraine has occupied its niche in the global defense industry, namely the modernization of all obsolete armored vehicles purchased from the USSR. For such products, there are many buyers who do not have funds for new equipment. Only thanks to this, the military-industrial complex of Ukraine survives. The right approach.

[roial]

Quote: Avenger711

Please note that we have started production and hundreds of cars have already been produced,

Release of what cars ?? If you think that having put a new combat module and air conditioner at 80 ku, painted the T-90 in a different color and shoved the same air conditioner in there, did you create a new machine ?? you are deeply mistaken.

Yes, Ukraine does not produce a lot of new equipment because there is no buyer for it, it is more profitable to produce capital of old equipment, which we have in bulk.

from 2005 to 2011, Ukraine repaired, modernized and sold over the hill
- 618 tanks (42 to Azerbaijan, 21 to Algeria, 91 to Georgia, 120 to the Democratic Republic of the Congo, 2 to the USA, 100 to Kenya, 160 to Sudan, 72 to Ethiopia)

- 776 armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles, MTLB, BRDM and so on. (73 - to Georgia, 12 - to Uganda, 2 - Kazakhstan, 20 - to Congo, 40 - to Nigeria, 214 - to Iraq, 166 - to Azerbaijan, 26 - to Myanmar, 11 to the United States, 134 to Chad, 38 to Thailand, 36 to Sudan, 4 to Ethiopia)

- in 2009, 272 trucks were exported both independently and as platforms for various systems exported by Ukraine (including radar)

Upgraded for the needs of their Armed Forces
- 76 T-64B to the level of T-64BM "Bulat"

- in 2009, the state-owned enterprise “Malyshev Plant” delivered 62 units of motor-transmission compartments. In addition, the same company received orders from Pakistan for the export of spare parts for special equipment, the total amount of which exceeded $ 2,5 million.

- Ukraine has signed a contract for the supply of 110 power plants for tanks to Pakistan. The contract value is estimated to exceed $ 50 million.

- In 2011, Ukraine signed a contract for the supply of 200 modernized T-72 tanks to Ethiopia, the contract amount is $ 100 million.

- In September 2011, Ukraine signed a contract for the supply of 49 Oplot tanks to Thailand. The contract value is estimated at $ 240 million.

- a contract signed between Ukraine and Iraq, for the supply of 400 armored vehicles, the cost of which is estimated at more than 550 million dollars, 88 vehicles delivered.

- In 2009, an agreement was concluded on the modernization of 200 OT-62 Topaz (tracked armored personnel carriers that are analogous to the Czech-Polish BTR-50)

- In 2011, a contract was signed between Ukraine and India for the export of a trial batch of ZTD-2 engines for armored personnel carriers.

- An agreement was signed between Ukraine and Kazakhstan on the production of 100 armored personnel carriers of Ukrainian design

This is just a list of some contracts for armored vehicles. And what has been done with you ????

[Yuriwhite]

Ukraine does not produce new equipment for two simple reasons - there is nothing and not out of anything and soon there will be no one. And about the repair base - this is generally - I have workshops in the garage and it looks better. It’s good to rub it over the ears. We know the stories and details of all the above-mentioned contracts. On adventure, everything is chewed. And laughter and sin in one word.

[Wlad59]

Rather than writing such nonsense, it would be better to ask whose engines are installed on most Russian helicopters, and what kind of aircraft the Voronezh aircraft plant is assembling ...

[Yuriwhite]

About nonsense. What do you think, not respected, why very soon the Russian Federation will have its own domestic helicopter engines? The plant is almost ready. Yes, and you have hurt the USSR over. A couple of years and there will be nothing to sell.
You better remember the epic of tank deliveries to Pakistan - Packs are still shocked by the quality of the tanks. Once again - YOU are using the legacy of the USSR and do not produce or create anything yourself.

[Wlad59]

I know that soon (not very) in Russia they will build a plant for the production of engines. Near Peter .... but the devil is always in the details: please specify the name of the engine that they are going to produce there. ((all laugh together ...

[evil hamster]

It has already been built, equipment is being imported. VK2500P / PS, TV7-117B you can start laughing, we will join if it is fun

[dominatus]

1. New armored vehicles are being produced and are being bought - this is a fact.
2. Landing craft ("Bison") on air cushions are being produced and the first of the series has already been sent to the customer (China) - this is a fact.
3. No matter how they tried in Russia to establish their own production of helicopter engines, they could not do it. Therefore, Ukrainian continues to buy - this is a fact.
4. The serial production of our own high-precision ammunition supply "Kvitnyk" has begun.
5. A whole series of automatic combat modules has been created and is being produced (only one is produced in Russia).
6. Anti-tank guided missiles were created and produced: "Falarik 90", "Falarik 105", "Stugna", "Kombat".
7. Created a portable anti-tank missile system "Skif"
8. Created by REP "Adros"
9. Created one of the best in the world KAZ "Zaslon" (compared to the Russian "Arena" - the Stone Age)
10. Created (and is preparing to be adopted) its own drone.
This is what I listed on a vskidku from memory.

[Conepatus]

Forgot to say that the engine for the Yak-130 is also Ukrainian.
Well, and "Kolchuga", until now no one has created anything like it.

[Yuriwhite]

At present, AI-222-25 engines for the Yak-130 aircraft produce Salute.

Development of AI-222 Zaporizhzhya ICD "Progress" them. A. G. Ivchenko began in 1999 on the basis of the AI-22 engine, GSI completed in 2008.
AI-22 was developed by order of the Republic of Tatarstan for the Tu-324 aircraft, created in accordance with the Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation No. 208 of February 28, 1996 on the creation and serial production of the Tu-324 aircraft with AI-22 engines, commissioned by the aircraft building company OJSC "TUPOLEV." Its joint development began in the late 1990s ZMKB "Progress", OJSC "Motor Sich" and specialists from KAPO named after S. P. Gorbunov. The engine is developed on the basis of the DV-2 engine serial generator.

On September 26, 2000, the Progress ZMKB made its first successful launch. Currently, bench tests are also taking place there.

Still not tired of hanging noodles?

[Conepatus]

The engine was invented in Ukraine, where is the "noodles"?
And soon the bench tests of the new Mi26 engine will begin at Motor Sich.
For Be200, they also improve the engine. Cho?

[Yuriwhite]

Good to rave already. Although Svidomo propaganda is good. Only here, after all, it’s not the Orangemen who have gathered and do not believe garbage.
You still tell me about the stronghold here as the best tank.
The examples given and the reluctance to discuss is one lie. For example, Skif is a Belarusian-Ukrainian project, KAZ "Zaslon" is a development of KAZ "Dozhd", which was developed in the USSR in the 1970s by St. Petersburg "VNIITransmash" and so on.

[Alexander D.]

For example, Skif is a Belarusian-Ukrainian project, KAZ "Zaslon" is a development of KAZ "Dozhd", which was developed in the USSR in the 1970s by St. Petersburg "VNIITransmash" and so on.

ATGM Stugna-P is a Ukrainian development. KAZ Zaslon is the same development of KAZ Drozd as the T-90 development of the T-34. But the expiration date of the "Voevod" in Russia ends, then let's see what the "great Russia" can create.

[evil hamster]

If Great Russia, just like that, without quotes, deployed the Yars ICBM group, before that there was Topol M, the Sineva SLBM group, the Bulava SLBM was deployed, work was underway on the Liner, and work was begun on heavy liquid mine-based ICBMs. And tell us how are you doing with ICBMs in Ukraine?

[roial]

and where do we bullet them ???
if necessary, we will have experience
mass production of launch vehicles
Dnipro, Zenit, Lighthouse, Cyclone
and all of them are based on ICBMs

[evil hamster]

1. From enemies
2. Og already done
3. Oh, you just do not have to wish for the reality: the Dnieper - the conversion of the RS20 removed from duty, Mayak - projections for a brighter future, Cyclone1,2,3 - have not been produced since the Soviet Union and have already been shot Cyclone-4 has never flown before, only The zenith of the ones you mentioned is really being produced, but the problem is that it has nothing to do with the ICBMs. Bummer.

[roial]

only all of them were produced in Ukraine, all documentation and technology are available, if necessary and the availability of money is not very difficult. We just don’t need ICBMs. And in terms of the number of civilian launch vehicles launched, Ukraine is in the top five countries. That's it.

[evil hamster]

Dear you are mistaken in the best feelings. Dnieper and Cyclone were produced in the USSR.

Quote: roial

if necessary and with the availability of money it is not very difficult

it only so seems that for 20 years he did not fit the bar and then the Olympic champion.

Quote: roial

We just don’t need ICBMs.

This is obvious evidence, however, this does not mean that you just want to.

Quote: roial

And in terms of the number of civilian launch vehicles launched, Ukraine is in the top five countries. That's it.

Yes, an average of 4 probably Zenith per year, so what?
The conversation then began with the fact that your colleague deigned to push us to write off the P36. Well, even in May, the remark about Ukraine was on the rights of trolling, what you fit in to prove is not clear to me.

[dominatus]

KAZ developments were carried out in many countries.
And to the Soviet "Dozhd" and "Drozd" not a single Ukrainian design bureau HAD access to.
After the collapse of the USSR ALL TECHNICAL DOCUMENTATION REMAINED IN RUSSIA.

The development of "Zaslon" began from "0", when Russia refused to supply Ukraine with the Arena KAZ for the T-84 put up for a Turkish tender.
It was then that the Ukrainian engineers began to develop their own KAZ. P The result is "Barrier". When developing it, all the shortcomings of "Drozd" and "Arena" were taken into account. The result is one of the best KAZ in the world. Several steps superior to the Russian KAZ. Moreover, unlike the Russian KAZ, the Ukrainian "Zaslon" in a couple of tens of minutes, in the field, can be easily mounted ON ANY kind of armor and automotive equipment.

[Patton5]

Stop spraying poisonous saliva, why pour mud on people who create decent weapons, I’m sure you haven’t created anything in your life and spray it with saliva. Ukraine is a direct competitor of the Russian Federation in the arms market, but that's another story!

[evil hamster]

Quote: dominatus

1. New armored vehicles are being produced and are being bought - this is a fact.

undoubtedly.

Quote: dominatus

2. Landing craft ("Bison") on air cushions are being produced and the first of the series has already been sent to the customer (China) - this is a fact.

Oga developed by TsKB Almaz Mr. S. Petersburg

Quote: dominatus

3. No matter how they tried in Russia to establish their own production of helicopter engines, they could not do it. Therefore, Ukrainian continues to buy - this is a fact.

No, this is not a fact, but the fact is that TV3 was developed at the Klimov Design Bureau in St. Petersburg, but the serial plant was in Zaporozhye. You knew the case under the USSR. And yet, yes, in Russia they are still produced in particular in production at the design bureau. But this is a pilot plant, not a serial one, and of course there is a lot, and it is impossible to produce it on a full cycle. But don’t worry, the cutest new serial plant near St. Petersburg has actually been built. you can rejoice for us.

Quote: dominatus

4. The serial production of our own high-precision ammunition supply "Kvitnyk" has begun.

And they released a lot, Krasnopol, that’s a lot, even the emnip of France was sold.

Quote: dominatus

6. Anti-tank guided missiles were created and produced: "Falarik 90", "Falarik 105", "Stugna", "Kombat".

I don’t know about the first two and the second two blood from the blood of the tank "Cobra"

Quote: dominatus

7. Created a portable anti-tank missile system "Skif"

Together with Belarusians forgot to add. Well, okay, how much did you sell it? Cornet is sold in thousands.

Quote: dominatus

8. Created by REP "Adros"

How much did the Armed Forces of Ukraine enter?

Quote: dominatus

9. Created one of the best in the world KAZ "Zaslon" (compared to the Russian "Arena" - the Stone Age)

Yyyy, according to independent Ukrainian experts, I suppose ...

Quote: dominatus

10. Created (and is preparing to be adopted) its own drone.

That you sho really from tse peremoga They say in Georgia, too, created :)

[Misantrop]

Quote: dominatus

2. Landing craft ("Bison") on air cushions are being produced and the first of the series has already been sent to the customer (China) - this is a fact.

One "Zubr" (Soviet design) was built and shipped. Fact. But then everything slowed down. The ship collectors catch fish instead of work. And this is also a fact, alas ...

[AleksWest]

Read the article http://btvt.narod.ru/4/Ukraine/ukraina_1991_2006.htm Armored vehicles of Ukraine: results, potential, prospects ...
Results for 15 years of "independence"
The armored industry is one of the main sectors of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex. The glorious traditions of the creators of the legendary Soviet T-34 tanks, as well as the most massive post-war T-54 and revolutionary T-64 in the world, continue to live in the transforming conditions of modern political realities. However, this material is devoted exclusively to the review and analysis of technological achievements over the past decade, and I will try to distance myself from politics as far as possible ............................ ....................................
.... And I also read dr article from 5.12 12g here on the forum compare -----
http://topwar.ru/21678-ukrainskaya-bronetankovaya-tehnika-glazami-inzhenera-kons
truktora.html

[seller trucks]

to sell Soviet property acquired by dishonest labor is not a tricky business; you better tell me how many helicopters and planes are adopted for the armament of Ukraine for 22 years of independence, answer? not a single one, by the way, KAMAZ annually supplies from 4000 to 5000 vehicles for export, and your last little KRAZ last year cannot reach the overall 4 year.

[roial]

Dear military equipment, there’s so much that it’s enough to equip 5 countries like Ukraine, and I want to note that the equipment is the same as in your armed forces. Well, on the brush

Quote: seller trucks

to sell Soviet property acquired by dishonest labor is not a tricky business

You have no less equipment in storage but you can’t set up its sales.
Do you have dozens of types of equipment accepted? Also units.
We have 4 tank repair plants in 6 years repaired one and a half thousand units of equipment.
Your country is much larger than ours ???? And what in the end ???

[Zlodeey]

Quote: roial

Do you have dozens of types of equipment accepted? Also units.

Air Force:
Aircraft: Yak 130, Su 34, Su 35, Su 30cm, An70, Su-30M2, MiG-29UBT, MiG-29SMT.
Helicopters: mi28 n, mi35 m, ka52, mi8 amts, mi26 t2, ka60, Ansat-U, Ka-226.

SV:
Air defense: s400, shell c1, top.
Armored cars: tiger, lynx, BPM-97.
Armored vehicles: bmd4, bt82 a.
Tactical Missile Systems: Iskander.
Multiple launch rocket systems: tos-1a.

Navy: Boats of project 636.3 Varshavyanka, helicopter carriers Mistral, frigates of project 22350, frigates of project 11356, corvettes of projects 20380 and 20385, small missiles of ships of project 21631, project 21820 Dugong, project 12700 Alexandrite.

Carriers of nuclear weapons: yars, apl. borea, ash, also a rocket mace.

In addition to many upgrades of various types of equipment, and this is far from all.

[Zlodeey]

Argument cons, or more is not given?

[seller trucks]

I'm embarrassed to ask how much the "best" (according to the Ukrainians, of course) MBT Oplot are in service with the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the answer is: one

by the way, yes, 22 of the year to upgrade the 64 of the tank, it's cool for your own army, well done

[roial]

We have 4 tank brigades and one fully equipped T-64BM "Bulat", then 25% is enough for us, but what about you? how much is the percentage of new tanks to old ones ?? Percent 3-4 ??
Bulat has been in operation since 2005, from where is 22 years old ??
there are 76 of them. tank brigade
And the stronghold was created on the basis of the T-80. We do not use the T-64 for this tank, so the "Oplot" is for export.

[Gecko]

Quote: roial

and how many tank brigades do you have and how many of them are equipped with new T-90 ?????? let's numbers

More than 500 T-90 of all modifications

[roial]

And how many new modifications are there in the troops ??
I am interested in how many percent of the new tanks in the army ??
We have 25% and that you have numbers, please.

[Zlodeey]

Quote: roial

And how many new modifications are there in the troops ?? I am interested in how many percent of the new tanks in the army ?? We have 25% and that you have numbers, please.

Does it make sense to update the entire tank fleet, and this is a little bit more than 22,800+ (~ 6,500 in the ranks) on the T90, if a new tank is being developed? Are we preparing for war?

[evil hamster]

Ahhh tin and if you are a 3 64B brigade cut out then you will have 100%

[roial]

We need more and more. unlike you, we do not rave overseas colonies.
We have a territory about 20 times less than yours, why do we need more?

[evil hamster]

Or maybe then you’ll cut out all the tank ones, well, you don’t need to ..

[roial]

First, we’ll sell what we don’t use, and then we'll see.

[Gecko]

And bribe, Russia has gifted you so much territory that you are tearing something.
Ukraine as a rootless mongrel, took a bone, but also gave the giver.

[Patton5]

Russia has not gifted, Russia has failed, to my great regret!

[Zlodeey]

Quote: roial

Well, where is your much-vaunted Racean military-industrial complex ??? The same one where ours is in J .. PE and I don’t need to tell the opposite.

Write about the same military-industrial complex, and the development of the air force, navy, air defense is not included in the military-industrial complex? only armored vehicles? Afraid to talk about it?

[Conepatus]

Most of your helicopters fly thanks to our military-industrial complex, gas turbine engines for your naval forces are our military-industrial complex, some of your air defense are watching the radars of our military-industrial complex behind the sky.

[Avenger711]

Not yours, but Soviet. However, the problem has already begun to be solved.

[evil hamster]

Quote: Conepatus

Most of your helicopters fly thanks to our military-industrial complex

Do not exaggerate, otherwise we will remember who the developer of these engines is.

Quote: Conepatus

gas turbine engines for your navy is our defense industry

again, it’s not worth 11356 pr, to stretch the entire Navy, moreover, it has not been lowered yet.

Quote: Conepatus

part of your air defense is watching the sky with the radars of our military industrial complex.

It’s very interesting, but can you give a quote on the purchase of RF radars from Ukraine?

[Conepatus]

"Chain mail" at least.

[roial]

while we are discussing armored vehicles here so let's talk about it and discuss the rest in other articles

[roial]

No one is hysterical. We are glad that at least your troops are receiving new equipment. just tired of phrases like "the Ukrainian military-industrial complex died, collapsed, etc." Yes, we are going through hard times, the personnel of the factories at the pre-retirement age, young people do not go to the factory to work, they chronically have no money, but to say that the military-industrial complex died is not true, a relative works at a tank repair plant says that their work for 10 years ahead of contracts has accumulated a drain that is simple physically they cannot fulfill them (eternal greed). In the army, well, you just don't need so much equipment, our equipment has worked well 60% of its resource, why change it to a new one? It is simply not economically profitable that they do not do it in any country. Not much money is allocated for the modernization, but since we are not going to fight with anyone, then the equipment that is redundant.
And you can get a good hand at modernizing old equipment. You look at how many different options we have for modernizing various equipment, but each enterprise independently makes them in order to attract customers there are interesting and unsuccessful ones.
And I would ask YOU not to insult my feelings as a citizen of Ukraine, because I do not insult YOU and will not humiliate YOUR dignity and YOUR country

[Corneli]

I'm wondering why for "Scatter" they delete the comments and this is an insult, and "Okraina" is like it should be? Double standarts?)

[Conepatus]

The site is funded by Europe, they benefit from srach

[roial]

According to the results of 2012, Ukraine took 4th place among arms exporters, the volume of arms supplies of Ukraine amounted to 1,334 billion. Probably forgot to write?
Let it be 10 times smaller than you, but for our country this is enough

[evil hamster]

That is not the USA, the Russian Federation, ......, Ukraine ... hmm, someone is missing between the 2nd and 4th positions, let me remind you .... China, France, Germany, Great Britain Israel can only prove that these countries sold weapons for a smaller amount. Go ahead.

[seller trucks]

Quote: roial

According to the results of the 2012 year, Ukraine took the 4 place

Yanukovmch said or Tymoshenko Malyavo sent with Kichi?

[Avenger711]

Sales of old equipment does not solve the problem of ensuring production.

[xan]

Quote: roial

Your country is much larger than ours ???? And what in the end ???

Our country is three times bigger than yours in terms of population, and our export of military-industrial complex is 8-12 times more in dollars. Chill out.

[Akim]

Quote: xan

Our country is three times bigger than yours in terms of population, and our export of military-industrial complex is 8-12 times more in dollars.

May I fit in. We compared X ... with a finger. In Russia, the main advantage was that during the Soviet era, everyone bought "Russian weapons" over the hill. My dad, when he served in the YUGV, for the Magyars, we were all Russians (both Georgians and Greeks). Therefore, naturally, when Ukraine entered the export markets for weapons, it was simply faced with a misunderstanding - what is "Ukrainian weapon". That is why many branches of the military-industrial complex have turned down. To reassure you (your bravado) I will say that one of the most important exporters of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex is Russia. In the space industry - 2nd place. The USA became the main buyer of the Ukrainian product that year.

[Conepatus]

If you take the population per 1 square kilometer, then you don’t have a population at all. You have nothing to brag about here, you would have to keep the territory

[seller trucks]

Kiev State Mechanical Plant - Kiev (Rembaza)
a photo:
http://www.delfi.ua/news/daily/kiev/neizvestnyj-kiev-kladbische-tankov-v-stolice

.d? id = 1667636

[seller trucks]

Kharkov Armored Repair Plant
a photo:
http://ultra-warez.net/load/voennaja_tekhnika/kharkovskij_bronetankovyj_remontny
j_zavod_foto / 95-1-0-2971

[wis880863]

It is strange to read such messages - you are bad, we are good, and we are better. Yes, let it be better for you, if only we bought ours and people were at work. We did not take the Soviet dishonest work - this is ours, which we created, including in Russia: both Magadan and Tyumen. And they built Kamaz together, so do you have to burn it or take it apart in order to remove the concept of your strange honor? Great Russian chauvinism has long overshadowed fascism. What do the people of Ukraine need to do so that you roll away from us. We have forgiven the occupation, the famine of 32-33, collectivization, and much more, but you still have no desire, everyone wants to make us happy. To begin with, make yourself happy, having gigantic reserves of gas, oil, forests, etc. You live in poverty compared to Europe and boast that you have more helicopters. And in the UAE, I think, there are much fewer helicopters, and wealth too, but they all live perfectly. As for Ukraine, I think it definitely does not need new helicopters, we are not going to fight with you or with Europe. But for the sale, even to Russia, our defense industry must work. After all, once our Ukrainian T-34 tank was the best in the world.

[xan]

Quote: wis880863

this is ours, created by us, including in Russia: Magadan and Tyumen. And they built Kamaz,

But the Russians in Ukraine did not build anything-only Ukrainians
wipe away the tears, it hurts you. Could not, but wanted.

[Conepatus]

Russians in Ukraine built only communism and collectivization

[Gecko]

Russia has something to protect: oil, gas and other minerals, a vast territory. And what should you protect the Ukrainians? They didn’t explore and conquer the accretioned territory themselves, they only accepted gifts from Russia, they gave Father Zmeinyi to Romania, now they are ready to surrender Crimea to Turkey, then what about Poland and Hungary?

[Avenger711]

At least don’t remind about Iraq, it’s time for the Outskirts to pay for delay and marriage.

The installation of the combat module is just a VERY big upgrade, because it is a new electronics. That is, something that has just advanced greatly since the 1980s. The difference between the BTR-80 and the BTR-82A is very noticeable, without serious weight gain. At the same time, doing in the same class a new armored personnel carrier occupation of very non-obvious expediency, because of fur. parts and the protection of much progress will not be if you do not switch to heavier machines.

Selling old Soviet trash is yes, a great achievement.
Regarding the BTR-3, the total volume of export deliveries judging by pedagogy is only 300+ cars in 10+ years. Outskirts themselves do not have them.

[Avenger711]

BTR-82 (A) only hundreds of new ones were manufactured, and he was only a few years old. The number of 1500 cars was cited, although it is probably overpriced and there are about 600-700. Do you have anything new in the parts? Not a single car.

[Yarbay]

It has long been no secret that Azerbaijan is cooperating with the Ukrainian enterprise "Scientific and Production Complex" Iskra "- a leading developer and manufacturer of ground-based radar equipment for the defense complex of Ukraine. And now there is information that the military leadership of Azerbadzhan was interested in finalizing the 80K6 circular view radar with the participation of representatives of Technosoyuzproekt LLC and Spetstechnoexport DGZP.
At the beginning of 2007, a new development of Zaporozhye specialists, a three-coordinate 80K6 circular radar based on a digital multipath antenna array, was adopted by the Ukrainian forces.

The radar provides detection, tracking and measurement of the three coordinates of air objects and their radial velocity at a distance of 400 km. The elevation angle is 35 degrees per antenna revolution (5 or 10 seconds). The station also has a high level of noise protection.

According to expert estimates, the characteristics of the 80K6 radar can be claimed not only by Iskra's long-term partners, but it is also possible to use the new design in the interests of NATO.

This radar was of interest to Azerbaijan, for which a new version of the PLC 80K6M based on the Belarusian MZKT chassis was proposed.

The 80K6М mobile radar is intended for use as part of the radio engineering and air defense missile units of the Air Defense Forces, providing target designation to the air defense missile forces, and must provide:

• detection, tracking and measurement of three coordinates of air objects and their ground speed;
• determination of the nationality of air facilities;
• determination of elevation and azimuth bearings for active jammers;
• delivery of information to radar workplaces and associated systems.

According to reports from the official website of the manufacturer, it became known about the start of the implementation of the purchase of this type of radar:

1 to 3 September 2011g. A delegation of representatives of Tehnosoyuzproekt LLC, the Republic of Belarus, and the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Azerbaijan, accompanied by representatives of the Spetstechnoexport State Enterprise, worked at the enterprise.

During their stay at the enterprise, delegations were presented a presentation of the company's products, the 80K6 and 80К6М products, a demonstration of real work on the position of the 80К6 product with air targets, a demonstration of remote work on the 19Ж6М test site with a built-in MK-XA system requester.

Belarusian and Azerbaijani specialists received all the necessary information regarding the execution of the order, and expressed satisfaction with the results of the visit, about which a corresponding protocol was drawn up.
http://warfiles.ru/show-31514-ukraina-sovmestno-s-belorussiey-razrabotala-novuyu
-rls-dlya-azerbayjana.html

[AleksWest]

http://topwar.ru/21678-ukrainskaya-bronetankovaya-tehnika-glazami-inzhenera-kons
truktora.html

[xan]

Quote: roial

And what has been done with you ????

Yes, you have a peremog, eagles! Feels the mighty Ukrainian intellect
and here we are, on the little things on the knees

[Alexander D.]

Nobody tells you about "peremogu". Do you know what rule works in the Malyshev Design Bureau, Antonov Design Bureau, Yangel Design Bureau: don't scold someone else, you need to praise your own. And some individuals on this resource are painfully experiencing the achievements of the country, which, according to Soviet propaganda, is considered to be a "Kemsky volost" and cannot come to terms with the fact that our countries have parted as ships at sea and no one owes anything to anyone !!!
And pouring mud indicates a low level of communication culture and nothing more!

[xan]

Quote: Alexander D.

And pouring mud indicates a low level of communication culture and nothing more!

This is a question for the Ukrainians at the piano and dominus, ringleaders. And you accidentally did not notice
yours begin to roll the barrel to Russia, the Russians are responding.
..... you are some

[Alexander D.]

You, along with Avenger, are more inclined to pour mud at Ukrainian developments than to bring meaningful arguments about the advantage of your defense industry!

[Yuriwhite]

That not all kits have been put into operation since the times of the USSR? What is the production in Ukraine ??? What are you about ??? What Ukraine has been doing in the last 20 years is successfully (and even then not always) selling the legacy of the "bloody" USSR.

[Alexander D.]

Ukraine does not have an oil and gas needle, so they created it quietly (due to the financial issue) that they knew how to: new An-148, 158, An-70 aircraft (if someone else hadn’t put the wheels in the wheels with their constant exits from the project ); production of the first Ukrainian helicopter MSB-2 was established (before that they had never been released in Ukraine); production of tanks localized 100% in Ukraine; production of domestic high-speed trains was established in the city of Kryukov (in Russia this is done ???); shipbuilding works are now being restored and much more.

[roial]

Then you have all the equipment since the days of the USSR
all they could do was upgrade the T-90, put a cannon module on the Soviet BTR-80, and cross the BMD-3 with the BMP-3; it turned out to be the BMD-4, but do you have anything new in armored vehicles ????

[My address]

Citizens, the Ukrainian military industrial complex, as well as machine building as a whole, are in touch.
What is done if one is made, one copy of the APC does not mean anything. Even a poultry farm can make a fighter, but how much will it cost and will it fly? And I remember Ukrainian megawatt engines and mechanical equipment. German was slightly better, but wildly expensive, they took Ukrainian. Now in Russia, even bridge cranes do not take from Ukraine, many ate. And if you want a powerful engine, but for God's sake, Siemens, but how is your money?
Divided into 91. Thanks to nezalezhnomu Kravchuk, spotted cavalier Andr. Pervozv. and Alconavta EBN.
Russian engineering fell not so much and rises slightly. I think GDP is a weak leader

[Alexander D.]

Dear, go to the Zorya-Mashproekt website and find out where Russia buys megawatt engines, and go to the NPO Frunze website, find out where Russia buys pipes, etc.

[xan]

Quote: Alexander D.

Dear, go to the Zorya-Mashproekt website and find out where Russia buys megawatt engines, and go to the NPO Frunze website, find out where Russia buys pipes, etc.

Go to the site "Made in Ukraine" and "Made by us". "Made by us" was divided into three. Compare. Chill out. If reasonable, you won't write such garbage anymore.

[Alexander D.]

Nonsense:
http://www.ux.ua/ru/issuer-m/51/19600/20130508-sumskoe-npo-im-frunze-k-2014g.asp
x
http://www.ux.ua/ru/issuer-m/51/19659/20130515-sumskoe-npo-im-frunze-dosrochno.a
spx
http://www.ukraineindustrial.info/index.php/news/37-machinery/306-ukraine-frunze
-2
http://www.ukraineindustrial.info/index.php/news/37-machinery/221-fregat
http://rtpp.com.ua/firms/4/65.html
Learn to check information first, and then

divided by three. Compare. Chill out. If reasonable, you will not write such garbage anymore.

[Conepatus]

They (xan, avenger711) on fixed
rate. They are paid for srach, but not for reliability.

[My address]

Continue.

For example, he has no experience in managing production teams, does not know how to identify good and bad workers. But GDP looks like titanium in comparison with Yushchenko, Kravchuk, Kuchmisty and this, from Bombas.
Ukrainians citizens! Yes, you at least zaminusuyte! But the fact that nenka is in danger is a medical fact.

[seller trucks]

I apologize for copy-paste:

It should be noted that no information has yet been received about receiving another letter of credit from Iraq for the equipment received in October 2012. Until the end of the 2012, it was planned to supply Iraq with a third batch of BTR-4 consisting of 94 units. However, this did not happen and the machines of this batch are still under construction. Moreover, according to Ukrainian sources, in the fall of 2012, the Iraqi Ministry of Defense, referring to the expiration of the 2009 contract and memoranda thereto, initiated negotiations with South Korea and Russia on the possibility of supplying similar equipment.

The prospects of the BTR-4 in the Armed Forces of Ukraine (APU) remain unclear. The decision to purchase 10 armored personnel carriers in the export configuration of the BTR-4Е and to formally adopt this vehicle for the armed forces of the Armed Forces was frankly political in nature and should mainly help to promote this vehicle abroad as allegedly operated in the country of origin. At the same time, although the supply of 10 of the indicated BTR-4Е to the Armed Forces was supposed to be carried out already in 2012, it has not yet been made.

The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine has long criticized the design of the "basic" BTR-4, demanding its significant processing. This was to be done as part of the BTR-4M project. Only in January 2013, in Kharkov, a prototype of the BTR-4MV machine was manufactured according to this project, and in order to reduce the cost of production, it was redone from the BTR-4V prototype (a version of the BTR-4 with a Deutz engine, which had previously unsuccessfully moved to Macedonia). The alteration essentially consisted of replacing the bow assembly of the armored hull on the indicated prototype with a new one "without windows" and installing a stern ramp. At the same time, many other requirements of the Ukrainian military department were not met (including mine protection). The position of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine in relation to the BTR-4M continues to be uncertain. It is significant that the MOU has not yet decided on the type of engine for the BTR-4M, considering only that it should be Western, and not installed on the BTR-4 supplied to Iraq by the Kharkov 3TD diesel engine.

In view of the obvious shortcomings of the BTR-4, the State Enterprise "Kharkiv Design Bureau for Mechanical Engineering named after AA Morozov" and "Plant named after V.A. Malyshev ”have now begun implementing projects to create two new types of wheeled armored personnel carriers - BTR-5 and BTR-9. According to known data, the BTR-5 is a frank imitation of the promising "medium" BTR ("medium wheeled platform") created in Russia by "Military Industrial Company" LLC for the "Boomerang" design and development project, practically repeating the layout and appearance of the latter Armored personnel carrier). The BTR-5 will have enhanced mine protection. Thus, the Ukrainian armored personnel carrier will try to make up for the time lost in the creation and attempts to "improve" the unsuccessful and archaic in a number of design solutions BTR-4.
http://vz.ru/news/2013/1/31/618337.html

[Alexander D.]

Former Ministry of Defense Salamatin D. just helped to develop a new version of the BTR-4, as he did not quite meet the requirements of the Ministry of Defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. As a result, the BTR-4MV turned out - they planned to buy it. And the previous version (with large windows and doors) is good exclusively for the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the special forces of the SBU.

[Mister X]

The new BTR-4MV armored personnel carrier is characterized by a new stern.
Instead of a door with a vertical middle jumper installed on the BTR-4E,
a special ramp is provided here, which descends over the entire width of the landing compartment

Apparently this is how the BTR-4MV feed looks.

[Mister X]

State enterprise
"Kharkov Design Bureau of Mechanical Engineering named after A.A. Morozova
BTR-4MV another perspective

[alihan.kz]

when Kazakhstan made a contract for the production of 100 BTR-4 in Kazakhstan, you all wrote a strange choice and the car is good, well done Ukrainians

[roial]

NEARBAR, NASR ON THE BOTTOM

And it is a pity that most visitors to this site share this principle.

I don’t know, but we have a lot more loyal to the achievements of the Russian military-industrial complex on television, many programs about Russian military equipment and no one is trying to somehow crap or downplay its achievements in this area (zapadentsev not in the shit, they are all with cockroaches)

[xan]

Well, you're royal and a hypocrite! Just great!

[Algor73]

Promising developments are promising developments. And Russia is conducting them, and Ukraine. Time will tell which platform will be more successful. And the BTR-4 is not wasted time, it is a transitional model, a practice. And this is eternal quarrels, humiliation, slander, etc. I'm pretty tired. But what is interesting is that it is mainly unknowing people who quarrel - "A friend told," "A neighbor saw", "They told on TV," etc. One gets the impression that give such a weapon, without hesitation, he will go to kill "independent ukrov". Why so much anger, for example, in Avenger711? Did someone offend you? Or were you born that way? Or smoke a lot? Smile and the world will be better ...

[bubble82009]

Honestly, this is crap and not an armored personnel carrier. happen that the driver and passenger on the right do not get out. engine behind. also burn.

[Alexander D.]

This is not crap, this is experience - the son of difficult mistakes. In Ukraine, the production of armored personnel carriers starts from 0000. In the USSR, the first tanks were also suitable only for rides, but then the same design bureau in Kharkov showed the world the best tank of the Second World War T-34. Everything has its time, you just have to wait.

[xan]

Quote: Alexander D.

Everything has its time, you just have to wait.

How can we compare what happened in the USSR with the creation of the T-34, and what is happening in Ukraine now? Is it such a subtle irony or in all seriousness?

[xan]

for Ukrainian members of the forum, dominus, grand piano, etc., bringing digital figures of the mighty Ukrainian intellect, I inform enemy information
According to American data
It is interesting to estimate Ukrainian military exports based on the information of the US Congressional Research Service, which published on August 24 a new annual analytical report on the supply of conventional weapons to developing countries (Conventional Arms Transfers to Developing Nations, 2004–2011). This document is an official unclassified analytical database for American lawmakers based on information from the United States Government on the transfer of military products to the third world by leading exporters of military products for the past eight-year period (in this case, from 2004 to 2011). The developing countries category includes all the states of the planet except the USA, Russia, EU members, Canada, Japan, Australia and New Zealand, and the regional arms markets under consideration include Asia, the Middle East, Latin America and Africa.
The report also provides information on export-import operations with military products worldwide. Familiarity with such analytical materials allows (although with certain errors due to varying degrees of transparency of the information used) to position a country (or group of countries) both in the global arms market as a whole and in its individual regional segments, to determine trends, emerging in world trade in military products.
From the report it follows that Ukraine is still among the ten largest world exporters of military products. In particular, in terms of the volume of agreements on the supply of arms to developing countries, Ukraine closed this top ten ($ 1,6 billion) in 2004-2007, and in the last four-year cycle (2008-2011) shared the seventh and eighth places with Israel (4 each). billion dollars). In terms of this indicator, the following states have been ahead of it in the last four years: the USA (112,987 billion dollars), Russia (31,1 billion dollars), France (17,3 billion dollars), China (8,1 billion dollars), Italy ($ 5,8 billion) and Germany ($ 5,2 billion).
If we consider the entire last eight-year period, then Ukraine is in 9th place ($ 5,6 billion). Outstripping it is the United States ($ 145,216 billion), Russia ($ 72,5 billion), France ($ 25,7 billion), the United Kingdom ($ 23,2 billion), China ($ 16,3 billion), Germany (10,2 billion dollars), Israel (8,7 billion dollars), Italy (8,2 billion dollars)
Read more: http://vpk-news.ru/articles/12643

From these data it can be concluded that Russia's military exports are 8-12 times more than Ukraine's military exports, and the population is 3 times more. Further write or literate themselves?

[Conepatus]

The US opinion about Ukraine, I do not care. I don’t think of them at all for people and I live perfectly with this.
And who argues that Russia sells weapons more than Ukraine?
Here the topic is about BTR4. It’s better than its Russian counterparts, or worse, that’s not the point.
And the point is that in Ukraine, despite the "efforts" of the authorities, they continue to create military equipment.
And it pleases me, as well as Russia's successes in one or another field of armaments.
Where does this negative come from, xs?

[xan]

Quote: Conepatus

Where does this negative come from, xs?

and up the branch read the messages of the piano and dominus
apparently few positive emotions among Ukrainians

[Conepatus]

They defend their point of view. If you are rude, it’s only in return. But you are doing this, along with Avenger711. And not only in this topic. Almost everywhere where the conversation goes about Ukraine, you have noted your rudeness.

[xan]

Quote: Conepatus

They defend their point of view. If you are rude, it’s only in return. But you are doing this, along with Avenger711. And not only in this topic. Almost everywhere where the conversation goes about Ukraine, you have noted your rudeness.

Stop juggling! At first there was inappropriate boasting of the piano and the accusation that they were doing nothing in Russia. This is easy to prove by reading the branch first. Then there was my answer.

Quote: xan

Quote: roial

And what has been done with you ????

Yes, you have a peremog, eagles! Feels the mighty Ukrainian intellect
and here we are, on the little things on the knees

And what are you doing, Ukrainian intellectuals, and what goals do you pursue without noticing the initial attack of the piano?

[Conepatus]

I didn’t drink at the burdershaft (God forbid), so let's get to you.
And the fact that you are citizens of Ukraine, contemptuously call "ukrami" I see not the first month.
I do not pursue any goals (detectives read less), I'm here for communication.
You are most likely here to earn a premium on WoT.

[xan]

Conpatus,
but I don’t pay any attention to members of the forum with Ukrainian flags, except for the chevron, the moderator complained to me - I had to remember the bumpkin.
You accused me of initial rudeness, and I answered the attack of the Ukrainian grand piano, it is easy to prove by reading the branch. You are a hypocrite, although for people like you this is hardly an insult.

[Conepatus]

And so in each article of Boval. At least one was missed?

[xan]

Quote: Conepatus

And so in each article of Boval. At least one was missed?

Ie, do you mind the "hypocrite"?
clear

[Conepatus]

Website WoT-players-xan-18390 battle.avenger711-1104 battlefield.
No, well, that's just a coincidence.
And how much are they now paying for inciting hatred between Russia and Ukraine?
30 silver coins?
And yet. How do you know who complained to the moderator about you?
What did the moderator say to you?
How to the employee?

[xan]

Quote: Conepatus

Website WoT-players-xan-18390 battle.avenger711-1104 battlefield.

I’m up to business, I’ll play WoT here, I barely answer the clown.

Quote: Conepatus

And yet. How do you know who complained to the moderator about you?
What did the moderator say to you?
How to the employee?

the moderator responded to chevron screaming live. but that doesn't concern you. Do you want to convict me of a lie and a drawing? I don’t need it, I'm Russian.
I see the hypocrite reconciled.
I'm tired of you, and disgusted with your wretched attacks

[Conepatus]

Well cho flawed, minuses grabbed?
Now again you will run into the topic about Russian weapons and you will whine there pitifully, like "What a handsome man, there would be more of these", "Russian technology is the best in the world" In short, throw slogans without meaning but with a patriotic bias.
The goal is one, grab + and again in the subject about Ukraine to crap.
Miserable insignificance, I spit in your corrupt face.
PS I do not believe that you are Russian, you are most likely a Pole

[Conepatus]

Notice, it is not on the forum.

[roial]

Dear, I don’t have a habit of complaining to moderators (I don’t even know how to do this on this site), but they started to insult the Ukrainians in this thread

[xan]

Quote: roial

Dear, I don’t have a habit of complaining to moderators (I don’t even know how to do this on this site), but they started to insult the Ukrainians in this thread

prove this statement by my post from this thread
in general, this should be done without reminders

[Anat1974]

And this suggests to me that Ukraine, after the well-known years of devastation, is 5,6 billion, and Germany has been flourishing in recent decades, 10,2 billion. And do you think this is a bad result for Ukraine? And I believe that people still work, perhaps contrary to the leadership of their country.

[wis880863]

This is perhaps the first positive review in the direction of the armored personnel carrier. Yes, Ukraine is very difficult, we do not have large natural reserves, and the country's leadership is not very, and the neighbor who writes himself abusive on paper is not at all like that, and despite all the difficulties, something worthy of competition is being created in our country

[Fofan]

the valiant followers of Dr. Frankenstein ....

[xomaNN]

Kharkiv residents do not stand still, which is not bad. And how is this device in comparison with the parade BTR82, according to the warriors? It is desirable objectively, without reference "crest / s:"))

[Akim]

Quote: xomaNN

And how is this device compared to the front BTR82, according to the fighter?

That's when he will be in the army, then it makes sense to talk about his exploitation. So far, our landing parties only got to know the BTR-3E1 closely (and these were Thai vehicles that had not been sent there yet).

[Akim]

This is an elk among eighties.

[APASUS]

Of course, Ukrainians are great, so many new samples are being issued. But here's the problem. All these samples are a deep modernization of the Soviet armored personnel carrier. These machines are outdated and will not play a role there. The only plus of this machine is its price!

[Akim]

Quote: APASUS

All these samples are a deep modernization of the Soviet armored personnel carrier.

And what does the BTR-4 have in common with the Soviet BTR - except for the width? Perhaps more artillery with BTR-80A.

[Conepatus]

The same can be said about BTR82, but for some reason it is served as a genius of technical thought.

[roial]

Air conditioning was also installed there.

[Conepatus]

Yeah. And every crew member got a laptop with mine protection.

[Avenger711]

Nobody serves it like that, unlike the latest Ukrainian novelties. This is just a good upgrade to a good armored personnel carrier.

[Wlad59]

The fact is that a huge number of Soviet armored personnel carriers are scattered around the world. And does any equipment tend to grow old ... and what do the countries in the armed forces of which this equipment is located lay out a bunch of dough by buying new equipment? And at the same time spend a lot of money on creating rem. bases for this equipment, purchase of spare parts, retraining of personnel to service it? Or buy upgraded (well-known) armored personnel carriers? In my opinion, the answer is obvious ... therefore, the demand for Ukrainian armored vehicles will be provided for a long time. ((True, you also need to be able to sell ... but this is from another opera.

[roial]

We do not have oil, gas and we are trying to get profit from all junk.
Unlike Russia, where old tanks are simply sent for re-melting, receiving from this 4-5 thousand dollars (we have a ton of iron cost 100 bucks), we capitalize, upgrade and sell old equipment (countries that cannot pay 7-8 million each). dollars.) tank at a price of 1-2 million dollars. apiece, + jobs, well, tell me who has more bread then ???

[xan]

Quote: roial

Well, tell me who has more broth then?

Royal, no one here forces anyone to make excuses, most people are literate, able to analyze information themselves. It is clear that the military-industrial complex of Russia and Ukraine have different niches, the competition points for Ukraine from Russia are significant, on the contrary, there are none. They just discuss the armored car, not the fat and do not compare the level of technical thought of Ukrainians and Russians.
Why start about the fact that Ukrainians are wiser than Russians, when everything is already visible.
The French call it wit on the stairs, the Russians wave their fists after the fight. Ukraine has profiled at one time - this concerns the Ukrainian state-political establishment, and not the common people (otherwise they accuse me of Ukrainian hatred). Denial of this is an ostrich position.

[Avenger711]

So why the hell did you separate, since it’s so bad for you without oil and gas?

[Apollo]

Quote: Avenger711

So why the hell did you separate, since it’s so bad for you without oil and gas?

you don’t need to go from bad to bad. You know very well that Ukraine did not separate. I recall that it was thanks to the signatures of B. Yeltsin, S. Shushkevich and L. Kravchuk de facto and de jure that served as the basis for the collapse of the USSR.

[Gecko]

Come on, everything according to their own profiles, not being measured by pussy here.

[sergey158-29]

Well done Ukrainians, maybe if they want. Eh, if they had not yet been strangled by medveputes economically, they would have come up with something else. And the urapatriotov here on the forum the toad presses that while they only think of something new to come up, the Ukrainians have already embodied their own in metal !!!

[commentor]

Well done, respect. Successes.

[Lustrator]

What is it pink and glamorous inside:) Just like all our TV.
I’m wondering when such cars will actually be delivered to the troops, and not go to exhibitions? (First you need to do the first, and then the second).
As for the base - wheeled or tracked - so for the Ukrainian, mostly flat, landscapes it is quite suitable (but I don’t presume to say how it will be in the desert), and buoyancy is never superfluous (especially near the Danube;))

[sergey158-29]

I’m sorry new here, can someone tell me how to find out the minus signs here, I would very much like to check the Lagrange theorem of the second kind, just kidding, for those the cat lagged behind at the start ... but in essence I’m repeating well done Ukrainians and as if Russian speakers didn’t get puffed up until they don’t give out their Wishlist in metal for me, they will only be empty bells and let them put their minus to their stool, which the army’s reform turned into a dough cut ...

[AleksWest]

We cannot be happy for each other. All pussy measure. Each praises its swamp. Time will judge. And the people and equipment.

[AleksWest]

http://topwar.ru/21678-ukrainskaya-bronetankovaya-tehnika-glazami-inzhenera-kons

truktora.html is what some write. and here’s what others- http://btvt.narod.ru/4/Ukraine/ukraina_1991_2006.htm we all measure ourselves. We can’t rejoice over each other. People and equipment will judge time.

[LaPoT]

Instead of generating new billionaires, you need to provide orders to the defense industry. there is still gunpowder in the powder flasks)

[Target]

Iraq refused to supply BTR-4E due to shortcomings, but they have already been made. And since the poor fellow is a banal cut of money, something must be done somewhere. Unscrewed - shoved into service with the own Armed Forces of Ukraine. + The parameters with the declared did not stand near.