Pashinyan: Artsakh was turned into a trap for Armenia, but I led the country out of it

Three days before the parliamentary elections, Armenian Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan decided to speak out on the Nagorno-Karabakh (Artsakh) issue. Many citizens in the country accuse him of having led to a mass exodus of Armenians from the republic and the entry of Azerbaijani troops into it.

Pashinyan stated that Artsakh had become a "temptation and a trap" for the country, from which, you see, he proudly led Armenian statehood.

Head of the Armenian Government:

Yes, I am the person who said, "Artsakh is Armenia, period." I said it because I believed in the ideas we were instilled with in school. But I took the honest path, saying that we must not pass this conflict on to our children. I realized we were trapped. We were trapped through Artsakh.

According to him, continuing the current course would have led to the loss of Armenia and Armenian statehood. Pashinyan asserts that he should now be thanked for "finding the strength and making a choice":

It wasn't easy. I knew I'd be called a traitor, a land-giver. But today, I'm very glad I found that strength, stood up, faced the truth, and led Armenia out of the trap.

Pashinyan directly blamed the Karabakh movement and the previous authorities (in particular, former President Robert Kocharyan) for creating this "trap," which, according to him, used the conflict to retain power and "prevent the country's development."

For many years, Yerevan officially refused to recognize Artsakh as its territory or even as an independent state, legally considering it part of Azerbaijan. At the same time, Armenia repeatedly demanded that the CSTO intervene and provide military assistance in the conflict, which created serious contradictions in the country's position. Pashinyan called the renunciation of his claims to Karabakh his greatest achievement, stating that thanks to this, Armenia is now more independent, secure, and prosperous than ever. He assessed the border with Azerbaijan as currently calm.

The prime minister's statements come amid the election campaign and are sparking heated debate in Armenian society. The opposition accuses Pashinyan of betraying national interests, while his supporters see this as a pragmatic course toward preserving statehood, unaware that neighboring Azerbaijan and Turkey have new plans for ethnic Armenian territories. One of these is a corridor through Armenian territory to Nakhichevan.

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[501 Legion]

"We were driven into a corner"
You piece of shit, it was you ARMENIANS who did all this yourselves when the union began to fall apart.

[carpenter]

Quote: 501Legion

It was you, ARMENIANS, who did it all yourselves when the union began to fall apart.

This all comes from human greed and avarice.

[Lionnvrsk]

Has this worm already prepared the money to pay off his agricultural producers for the products blocked from import into the Russian Federation, as he promised?
Or is the main thing before the elections to say something, and then it's either a donkey or a shah...?

[Bayun]

What if he's right? And the Russians have been driven into a similar "Ukrainian trap"? I really want to believe he's wrong. But the logic of life stubbornly whispers, "They've driven us, they've driven us."

[man]

Quote: Bayun

What if he's right? And the Russians have been driven into a similar "Ukrainian trap"? I really want to believe he's wrong. But the logic of life stubbornly whispers, "They've driven us, they've driven us."

It's worse for us, we're trapped... and there's no way to escape from it...

[kosmozoo]

What if he is right?

He is as right as the marked Mishka, it’s important from which side you look at it.

[commbatant]

Quote: Bayun

Russians, driven into a similar "Ukrainian trap"?

What trap? Russians are fighting for their own security and the return of their ancestral lands, taken from them by the Bolsheviks and communists... well, no one cares what you personally believe, especially if your beliefs are harmful to the Russian Federation and benefit its enemies...

life, with the logic of what is happening, stubbornly whispers: "They've driven us in, they've driven us in"...

...it's time for you to go to the hospital, they'll help you there...

[Hypertension]

Quote: commbatant

Russians are fighting for their own security and the return of their ancestral lands taken from them by the Bolsheviks and communists... well, no one cares what you personally believe in, especially if your faith is harmful to the Russian Federation and benefits its enemies...

We've already fought for security... Ancestral lands for whom? Who will live there if the Russian population is already declining every year, even without the SVO? Is this concern about the descendants of migrants? What kind of faith is beneficial for the Russian Federation? Faith in a great chess grandmaster and his plan, with its corresponding deadlines?

[commbatant]

Quote: Hyperion

Native lands for whom?

For some reason, this question only arises among "truly Russian" liberals...
For example, the United States doesn't ask who will live in Greenland under US control. The Ukrainian authorities, who lay claim to the entire southwestern part of Russia, never even consider this question. Nor do other countries hostile to Russia have such a question regarding Russian lands.
Ask the Japanese who will live on the Kuril Islands if they become Japanese again, or if WWII wasn't enough...
...Russian liberals differ from liberals in other countries in that they act to the detriment of their own country (regardless of who is in power), easily forgetting "their liberal values"...

[Hypertension]

First: don't point the finger at the US and Japan. "True Russian" patriots always cite other countries as examples. But what about their "special path"? Second: Greenland isn't the US's "ancestral" land. Third: the US and Japan aren't going to sacrifice hundreds of thousands of lives for these lands. Is it worth it then? How many more of your compatriots are you willing to sacrifice to liberate your ancestral lands, and in what proportion? Fourth: are these liberals in the same room with you?

[commbatant]

Quote: Hyperion

Are these liberals in the same room with you?

...they are in the same country with me, causing harm to it (and therefore to me), so direct your advice to countries unfriendly to the Russian Federation; I'm sure they'll listen to you and maybe won't even kick you...

[Hypertension]

Quote: commbatant

Direct your advice to countries unfriendly to the Russian Federation

Not advice, but questions. Are you capable of answering without throwing slurs? With your own mind, so to speak, or your intellect, if I may say so? There's bound to be some kind of answer in your "patriot" manual.
What hypocrisy is this - constantly criticizing the West, but when the time comes to differentiate yourself from it, you immediately scream: "Look at the West - they do the same!"

[a vacuum cleaner]

Hyperion. Why are you silent about the US? What are they doing in Iran if they're bombing the most ancient civilization in the world?

[Hypertension]

Another shooter fan... What does the US have to do with this? Why do you keep bringing them up? This isn't about the US, is it?
And the fact that the string is bombed is bad. The string should be played, not bombed...

[Bayun]

Russians have been killing Russians for five years now... "for their safety and the return of their ancestral lands".

[commbatant]

Quote: Bayun

Russians have been killing Russians for five years now... "for their safety and the return of their ancestral lands".

Not at all, ... Ukrainians are Russians who betrayed Russians, so there is no such thing as your liberal

Russians have been killing Russians for five years now...

[Bayun]

Are you stuck? Sorry if you're human, but your answer sounds like typical "indigestion." human logic computer brain)

[commbatant]

Quote: Bayun

if you are a human

Why is it that during work hours, comments like "you're a dick" mean you're not the smartest...

[RUSICH]

Quote: Bayun

What if he is right?

What? That Artsakh is Azerbaijani? What trap, my dear man?
As early as the 7th century BCE, the ancestors of today's Armenians, who came from the southwest, settled in these lands. After the formation of the Kingdom of Greater Armenia in the 4th century BCE, this territory became the northeastern periphery of its territorial core. A relative periphery—at various times, Greater Armenia, stretching from the Caspian to the Mediterranean, included territories located significantly further north and east. In fact, at that time, Nagorno-Karabakh became known as Artsakh, and the Plain as Utik, before the term Karabakh even existed.

[Silver99]

Ara Pashinyan not only surrendered Artsakh (Karabakh)... he kisses the Turks on the gums, thereby crossing out the history of 1915... a strange people considers itself proud and votes for this relaxer.

[commbatant]

Quote from Silver99

Ara Pashinyan not only surrendered Artsakh (Karabakh)... he kisses the Turks on the gums, thereby crossing out the history of 1915... a strange people considers itself proud and votes for this relaxer.

...the people aren't voting for him, but for the promised freebies from the imperialists. The imperialists support Pashinyan and promise a bright future to those who thirst for it...the serfs (ungrateful, evil, and greedy) decided to replace the master, that's all...

[Vend]

Pashinyan is typical: if you don't praise yourself, no one else will.

[ZovSailor]

Compatriots of the current generation will curse this Judas for his disgusting policy and the surrender of sovereignty and independence through the use of a lining for the Anglo-Saxons and greedy neighbors in the person of the mountain Hebrew and the Sultan.

[credo]

We worry about Karabakh more than the Armenians themselves, but is it worth it?
Rumor has it that almost immediately after part of the northwestern regions of Azerbaijan came under the control of the self-proclaimed Nagorno-Karabakh Republic, all the leaders of this republic, without exception, engaged in very close trade with Azerbaijan and Turkey.

Until the very last days of this republic, Armenia did not recognize it as part of it, although according to the ideologists of “Greater Armenia”, it was an integral part of it on an equal basis with Western Armenia, which was under the control of Turkey.

If there is anything we should regret, it is the enormous investments that were made in the economy of Armenia itself, the sale of our resources at bargain prices (instead of receiving market profits here and now) and Russia's unclear policy towards yet another supposed ally and partner.

[knn54]

- Pashinyan, where did you get the black eye?
-They wanted to give me a kick, but I dodged it!

[glock-17]

So, between shame and war, he chose the former. A good peacemaker.

[KukuRuzvelt]

There, the second one usually joins the first one. We'll see what other traps he finds on Armenian territory.

[Seal]

So, what else could he do? They say Pashinyan surrendered Karabakh. So, this is the main question: Was it possible to avoid worsening relations with us (Russia) and at the same time not return Karabakh to Azerbaijan's jurisdiction? This was hardly possible. From the very beginning, immediately after the collapse of the USSR, we, Russia, declared on all international platforms that Russia adheres to the principle of Azerbaijan's territorial integrity within its internationally recognized borders. That is, with Karabakh within Azerbaijan. We only spoke about the need to grant Karabakh broad cultural autonomy, economic autonomy... but we have always been in favor of Karabakh remaining politically within Azerbaijan. And all Armenian leaders, beginning with Ter-Petrosyan, said they understood Russia's position and were making every effort to reach an agreement with Azerbaijan, but they claimed that Azerbaijan was not accepting Armenian proposals. In short, they led us by the nose for almost 30 years. And so, during Pashinyan’s reign, two important events occurred:
1. For the first time in probably the last 150 years, since the end of the American Civil War, the United States once again had no time for foreign policy issues at all, as a domestic divide was brewing. This occurred precisely from the end of August 2000 until the police evicted Trump supporters who had seized the Congress building after the announcement of the victory of the self-propelled grandfather Biden.
2. We have run out of patience with Armenia because of its position on Karabakh.
The result was that Azerbaijan, taking advantage of one of Armenia’s latest provocations, launched an active operation on September 27 to restore its sovereignty in Karabakh and a number of other regions occupied by Armenia.
The US didn't intervene, and neither did we.
That's all.

[commbatant]

Quote: Seal

So, what else could he do? They say Pashinyan surrendered Karabakh. So, that's the main question: Was it possible to avoid worsening relations with us (Russia) and at the same time not return Karabakh to Azerbaijani jurisdiction? That was hardly possible.

He truly did surrender it, and official documents and Pashinyan's words confirm this. Moreover, when surrendering the lands of Karabakh, he failed to take care of the residents (Armenian citizens) living there, including long before the start of the first war for Karabakh...
All previous Armenian rulers, while holding on to Karabakh, failed to damage relations with Russia, but Pashinyan did, and relations worsened not because of Karabakh (which Pashinyan himself recognized as part of Armenia when he came to power in 2018), but because of his anti-Russian policies.
The "suspended" state of Karabakh was advantageous for Russia, as it could influence both Armenia and Azerbaijan through this conflict.
Both the US and France shared Russia's position on Karabakh, knowing that we had no claim to its lands and had no intention of building a World Bank there.
Even if it lost the war for Karabakh, the latter had a chance to become part of Azerbaijan as an autonomous region and receive guarantees for its residents who lived there, at least until the start of the first war for Karabakh, and before that, the Russian Federation's Interregional Treaty Organization (MIA) acted as a guarantee of their security.
But Pashinyan, under the deception of the local residents of Karabakh, led them out of there, and then officially recognized Karabakh as Azerbaijani without stipulating guarantees for its Armenian residents, forever depriving them of shelter. Now the residents of Karabakh in Armenia are homeless and dispossessed, and they face the fate of the Armenian refugees from Azerbaijan who fled from Azerbaijan during the first war for Karabakh.
1. What were the events in the USA connected to?
2. Russia's patience ran out not because of Armenia's position on Karabakh (we somehow put up with it for the previous 30 years), and not even because of Armenia's pro-Western position, but because Pashinyan held negotiations with the West without Russia (behind its back), during which he surrendered Karabakh, blaming not the Turkic countries that are members of the CSTO for inaction, but the Slavic countries of Russia and Belarus.
Due to Pashinyan's actions, both in relation to Karabakh and in relation to Russia, the latter has not only lost influence over Armenia, Azerbaijan, and Turkey, but also over the West. Furthermore, Russia has lost logistical routes in the South Caucasus that connect it, including with Iran...
...Armenia, having lost control of seven Azerbaijani regions and Karabakh, has made it impossible for Russia to guarantee Armenia's security (something Pashinyan doesn't care about), which, incidentally, had already been problematic...
...Armenia now has only one path to development - pro-Western... Armenia, due to the loss of Karabakh through its own fault, no longer needs the Russian Federation
...Armenia's value to Russia was its location, including on the border with Iran, but the loss of Karabakh, the expulsion of our border guards from the Armenian-Iranian border, and Armenia's friendship with Russia's enemies puts it on par with those same enemies...forcing Russia to curtail all cooperation with it...

The US didn't intervene, and neither did we.

...did they (the US and Russia) have legal grounds for this?

[Seal]

Quote: commbatant

But Pashinyan, under the deception of the local residents of Karabakh, led them out of there.

Hmm, Pashinyan, under the deception of local residents, led them out of there? Excuse me, is Russian definitely your native language?

Quote: commbatant

Moreover, when handing over the lands of Karabakh, he did not take care of the residents (citizens of Armenia) living there, including long before the start of the first war for Karabakh...

There was no "first war" over Karabakh. There was a single, very long war, unleashed by Armenia in 1992. Incidentally, the parliaments of Azerbaijan and Armenia have still not ratified the peace agreement initialed last year by Aliyev and Pashinyan in the presence of Trump.
Why didn't you take care? He did. Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev guaranteed that all rights of the Armenian population in the Karabakh region of the country would be ensured...
"We will ensure the rights of the Armenian population of Karabakh. We have already outlined our vision for this issue, for reintegration, for their rights," he said.
According to him, all issues related to the religious, cultural, and other rights of Armenians in Karabakh will be resolved in accordance with international conventions. "They (these issues - IF) will be implemented in accordance with all conventions to which Azerbaijan is a party, our Constitution, and our international obligations," Aliyev stated. Of course, the Karabakh Armenians had to admit that they live on the territory of Azerbaijan and accept Azerbaijani citizenship. What did you expect? But the Karabakh Armenians chose voluntarily leave Karabakh.

Quote: commbatant

All previous Armenian rulers, while holding on to Karabakh, failed to damage relations with Russia, but Pashinyan did, and relations worsened not because of Karabakh (which Pashinyan himself recognized as part of Armenia when he came to power in 2018), but because of his anti-Russian policies.

All previous rulers of Armenia did not hesitate to loudly sing songs about the friendship of the Armenian people with the great Russian people. That's all.
Because of his anti-Russian policies? So when did this "anti-Russian policy" begin, and how did it manifest itself?

Quote: commbatant

Russia has run out of patience not because of Armenia's position on Karabakh (we somehow put up with it for the past 30 years)

The Armenians thought Russia would tolerate this state of affairs for another hundred years. They were wrong. You were too.

Quote: commbatant

Pashinyan held negotiations with the West without Russia (behind its back),

Really? Have you even read, for example, the Declaration on Allied Cooperation between the Russian Federation and the Republic of Armenia, Oriented to the 21st Century, of September 26, 2000? What does it say? It says that  

The Russian Federation and the Republic of Armenia confirm the right of each state to choose the paths of its political, economic and social development and to ensure its own security. The parties believe that the actions of states to strengthen security should not lead to the formation of dividing lines, generate mistrust, or be carried out at the expense of the security of other countries.
The Russian Federation and the Republic of Armenia support strengthening the key role of the OSCE in the prevention and peaceful settlement of disputes and conflicts, in promoting the protection of human rights and fundamental freedoms, including the rights of national minorities, and in creating an environment of peace, harmony and lasting security and stability in Europe.

What's wrong ?

Quote: commbatant

Moreover, Russia has lost logistical routes in the South Caucasus that connect it, among other things, with Iran...

Have you even seen a map? What "logistics routes" through the South Caucasus to Iran are we supposedly missing? There were no "logistics routes" through Armenia. We have maritime links with Iran, as well as road links (which will soon be joined by direct rail) through Azerbaijan. Furthermore, the overall North-South Transport Corridor plan includes an alternative rail route bypassing Azerbaijan. Trains travel from Moscow through Russia, Kazakhstan, and Turkmenistan and arrive at Iran's dry port of Aprin. Travel time is 13 days.

[Seal]

Quote: commbatant

...Armenia, having lost control of seven Azerbaijani regions and Karabakh, has made it impossible for Russia to guarantee Armenia's security (something Pashinyan doesn't care about), which, incidentally, had already been problematic...

What guarantees? Please show me a bilateral Russian-Armenian (or multilateral) document that mentions some "guarantees" that Russia supposedly provides to Armenia. Stop repeating these brazen Armenian claims against Russia that Russia supposedly guaranteed Armenia something but allegedly failed to fulfill its obligations. In Armenian-Azerbaijani relations, we guaranteed Armenia nothing. Absolutely nothing.

Armenia now has only one path to development - pro-Western... Armenia, due to the loss of Karabakh through its own fault, is no longer needed by the Russian Federation.

He has always been pro-Western.
I recently cited statistics.
According to the 2010 General Census in the Russian Federation, there were 1,13 million Armenians in the Russian Federation.
But according to the 2021 census, there are only 946 thousand.
Almost 200 fewer. It's unlikely that Armenians started registering as Russians; they most likely fled Russia. Where to? Well, some, like Nshan Galustyan (known to us as "Mikhail" Galustyan), fled to Armenia. But the overall number of Armenians in Armenia hasn't increased, meaning most fled not to Armenia, but to the West (including the Baltics), as well as to Georgia, Kazakhstan, and even Ukraine.
According to various estimates, between 1,000,000 and 2,5 million Armenians live in the United States;
According to various estimates, up to 700,000 Armenians live in France;
According to the assurances of the "Virmenskaya Split of Ukraine", 500-600 thousand Armenians lived in Ukraine before the start of the Second World War;
There are about 250,000 Armenians living in Georgia, of which 115,000 live in Javakheti, a southern region of Georgia bordering Armenia. 95% of the population of this region are Armenians;
Turkey has a population of 150,000 to 250,000 people;
There are about 200,000 Armenians in Iran;
Between 100,000 and 190,000 Armenians live in Syria;
There are between 140,000 and 165,000 Armenians living in Lebanon;
There are up to 100,000 Armenians living in Argentina;
Between 60 and 100 Armenians live in Germany.
These statistics clearly demonstrate that Armenia has always been oriented toward the West. And that it's rare for an Armenian in Armenia (as well as in Russia) not to have relatives in the West. A much stronger flow of money from the West has always flowed to Armenia than from Russia. And as we know,

He who dines a girl, dances with her.

Quote: commbatant

...Armenia's value for the Russian Federation was in its location, including on the border with Iran.

Does it matter that we could have entered Armenia itself either through Azerbaijan, or Georgia, or Turkey, or... through Iran itself (in the latter case, making a huge detour?) And again, I can't help but ask what I already asked: "Is Russian definitely your native language?" Or do you think Armenia is located on the border with Iran?

Quote: commbatant

Armenia's friendship with Russia's enemies places it on par with those enemies...forcing Russia to curtail all cooperation with it...

Really? Tell me, for example, is Britain a friend or an enemy?
Data on UK imports from Russia for the first six months of 2025 showed that goods worth around £80 million entered the country (the UK) – 21,2% more than in the same period in 2024.
This is despite the fact that London, back in 2023, had already increased its oil purchases to a record level from countries that continue to purchase oil from Russia and refine it.

Quote: commbatant

...did they (the US and Russia) have legal grounds for this?

Do you seriously believe that the United States needs any legal grounds to interfere in the affairs of other countries?
Well, we could have used the Declaration on Allied Cooperation with Armenia, simply turning a blind eye to the fact that the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict has been removed from the scope of this Declaration.

[Svetlana]

A ruler who gives away his lands is a bad ruler, but one who multiplies them is included in history books as a collector of lands.
Posterity will forget the details and nuances, but not the essentials. And yes, he will be remembered as a traitor.

[yuri.]

Grandfather Lenin gave away Russian lands left and right, but for many Russians, he was and still is a good man. And what's wrong with Pashinyan for the Armenians? Well, instead of Karabakh, the Armenians will first carve out autonomy for themselves in Sochi and near Rostov, and then they can raise the question of secession from Russia.

[Svetlana]

Yeah, he did. He annexed the Bukhara Emirate and the Caucasus to Russia, putting an end to centuries of civil strife there. And he created Soviet Socialist Republics both in the Caucasus and Central Asia. Ultimately, he created the USSR, which was larger than modern Russia.

[Seal]

Quote: Svetlana

Yeah, he distributed it. He also annexed the Bukhara Emirate and the Caucasus to Russia, putting an end to centuries of civil strife there.

The Emirate already recognized the primacy of St. Petersburg, renounced the right to conduct foreign policy independently.
The Caucasus was annexed? Who? V.I. Lenin? Could you elaborate on this story of yours?

Quote: Svetlana

Eventually creating the USSR, which was larger than modern Russia.

Yes, larger than modern Russia. But it was smaller than the Russian Empire.

[Svetlana]

Yes. I recognized it, but I didn't join it. It was a protectorate.

[Seal]

Quote: Svetlana

Yes. I recognized it, but I didn't join it. It was a protectorate.

Well, yes, formally a protectorate. But essentially, part of the Russian Empire.
Moreover, in 1913, the Bukhara Emirate occupied a territory of just over 200 square kilometers.
But the approximate area of ​​the Grand Duchy of Finland, which the Bolsheviks granted independence back in December 1917, was about 360,000 km² in 1913.
The approximate area of ​​the Kingdom of Poland within the Russian Empire in 1913 was 128,500 km².
The territory of Kars Oblast in 1913 was approximately 18,646.6 km².
The Bolsheviks gave up all of this. In total, they gave up 507,146.6 square kilometers. And what an industrially developed territory, too (I'm talking about the part of the Kingdom of Poland and the southern part of the Grand Duchy of Finland).
And they annexed... their own protectorate with an area of ​​200 thousand km², mostly desert.
Summary minus 307,146.6 square kilometers of territory.
Well, let me remind you about this novella of yours.

The Caucasus was annexed? Who? V.I. Lenin? Could you elaborate on this story of yours?

So, what did V.I. Lenin allegedly annex in the Caucasus?

[Bayun]

By the way, Lenin also started the SVO... To put it bluntly, historically. Such is the fate of a foreign agent, a terrorist, or simply a foreign spy...

[Free Island]

Absolutely right. It was this bald scum who was responsible for the creation of the Ukrainian SSR and the transfer of the Russian Donbas to it. He planted a time bomb under Russia for many years to come. In the end, we're cleaning up the mess. And it's unlikely that it was "not out of malice." This is exactly how Volodya Ulyanov's employers intended it. That's just my personal opinion, but it seems as clear as day.
P.S.
I'll add: Russian Transnistria was given to the Moldavian SSR, Russian lands were given to the KSSR, and much, much more. All of this now smolders around Russia and sometimes explodes (the Transnistrian conflict, the Ossetian-Georgian conflict, Karabakh, Georgia in 2008, Ukraine since 2014, and so on and so forth. And even more is yet to come – Armenia, Kazakhstan

[credo]

Yeah, he did. He annexed the Bukhara Emirate and the Caucasus to Russia, putting an end to centuries of civil strife there. And he created Soviet Socialist Republics both in the Caucasus and Central Asia. Ultimately, he created the USSR, which was larger than modern Russia.

V.I. Lenin suffered two strokes in 1922, and after the last one, in December 1922, he became paralyzed in part of his body and lost the ability to speak and move. He died on January 21, 1924.
As for the union republics, they were included in the USSR in 1922-1940:

At the time of its formation on December 30, 1922, the USSR consisted of 4 republics (RSFSR, Ukrainian SSR, Byelorussian SSR, Transcaucasian SFSR).
The latter, according to the constitution of December 5, 1936, was divided into the Azerbaijan, Armenian and Georgian SSRs, at the same time the Kazakh ASSR and the Kirghiz ASSR of the RSFSR were transformed into the Kazakh SSR and the Kirghiz SSR.
As a result of the national-state demarcation of the Soviet republics in Central Asia in 1924-1925, the Uzbek SSR and the Turkmen SSR (formed by the resolution of the Central Executive Committee of the USSR on October 27, 1924, the declarations on formation were adopted in February 1925 at the Constituent Congresses of Soviets of the Republics and officially adopted at the Third Congress of Soviets in May 1925) joined the USSR; on October 16, 1929, the 3rd All-Tajik Congress of Soviets adopted a declaration on the transformation of the Tajik ASSR into the Tajik SSR, and on December 5, 1929, the Central Executive Committee of the USSR approved this decision.
On March 31, 1940, after the annexation of part of the territories received by the USSR from Finland under the Moscow Peace Treaty, on March 12, 1940, the Karelian ASSR was transformed into the Karelo-Finnish SSR, but on July 16, 1956, it was transformed back into the Karelian ASSR of the RSFSR.
In August 1940, the Moldavian SSR (August 2), Lithuanian SSR (August 3), Latvian SSR (August 5), and Estonian SSR (August 6) were accepted into the USSR.
At the time of its collapse (1991), the USSR consisted of 15 union republics.

Given V.I. Lenin's condition, much of the work to create the USSR still occurred without his participation, despite the fact that it was the Bolsheviks, after seizing power in 1917, who diligently and consistently destroyed the Russian Empire by spreading lies about centuries-old Russian chauvinism, oppression, and the imprisonment of peoples to the masses, especially on the outskirts of the Empire.

[commbatant]

Quote: Svetlana

Having annexed the Emirate of Bukhara and the Caucasus to Russia, extinguishing centuries-old civil strife there. And creating Soviet Socialist Republics both in the Caucasus and Central Asia. Ultimately, creating the USSR, which was larger than modern Russia.

The USSR was created at the expense of Russian lands and the Russian people. Compare the map of the Russian Empire and the USSR for clarity, and then look at the map of the Russian Federation and the Russian Empire.
The Russian Empire owned 1/6 of the Earth's land mass, while the modern Russian Federation owns 1/9, not to mention the RSFSR's loss of its Russian population.

[al252ex]

You have several incorrect letters in the leader's surname; the first four should be Yelts. For variety, you can compare maps from 1918 and 1922. Where were our friends from the Entente, the Germans and the Japanese, at that time?

[Nastia makarova]

There are very few Armenians left in Sochi now.

[Free Island]

Where did they go? Did they die in the battles for Karabakh?? 😂😂😂or did they scatter across Russia?

[Nastia makarova]

Yes, many people left, mostly abroad, when the cost of housing became more expensive than in Moscow.

[commbatant]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

Yes, many people left, mostly abroad, when the cost of housing became more expensive than in Moscow.

There's truth on earth. But I don't believe that renting housing in France and the US is cheaper for Armenians than in the Krasnodar region or even Moscow... not to mention the cost of their legal residence there. Nastya, you're probably trying to fool the kind and trusting forum members...

[Nastia makarova]

Why rent? They sell here, they buy there.

[commbatant]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

Why rent? They sell here, they buy there.

Are you really saying that an apartment/house (of equal quality and size) in France and/or the USA, including taxes, is cheaper than in the Krasnodar region or Moscow?

[Nastia makarova]

In Sochi, it depends on the location, and in France, it depends on where, not in the center of Paris, in small towns you can buy a perfectly decent apartment identical to one another

[Nastia makarova]

Here are a couple of links, check them out.
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[Seal]

Quote: commbatant

Look, Nastya, you’re fooling the kind and gullible members of the forum...

Many fled from mobilization.
Even Nshan Galustyan (known to us under the name Mikhail) received Armenian citizenship just in case and now it’s as if he’s not ours.
Many fled when the authorities began to clamp down on mafia circles. In 2023, Sochi crime boss Ruben Tatulyan, known in criminal circles as Robson, fled Russia, leaving the country before the investigation began. According to Izvestia, Tatulyan fled to Armenia.
https://ren.tv/news/v-rossii/1432096-v-sochi-trebuiut-snesti-kurortnyi-kompleks-diadi-tenevogo-korolia-rubena-tatuliana
Robson's sister was expelled from the Sochi City Council, despite the fact that she changed her last name to Selyukova when she ran for office.

In September 2024, it was reported that Selyukova had been stripped of her parliamentary powers due to a loss of confidence. The decision was made at a session of the Sochi City Assembly.
The reason for her resignation was providing false information about her income and assets. Specifically, Selyukova concealed the fact that in 2020–2021, she received $9 million from the sale of shares in the Volna Resort and Spa boarding house. She also failed to disclose information about underreporting income from the sale of a Bentley by 5,5 million rubles.
Selyukova has been a member of parliament for the United Russia party since 2010 and was re-elected several times in the Adler district.

In December 2024, the Fourth Cassation Court of General Jurisdiction upheld the Sochi Interdistrict Environmental Prosecutor's Office's claim against Dinar Chepnyan, Yuri Kalaydzhyan, and Artur Peylivanyan for damages to the environment caused by unauthorized soil dumping. The amount of the claim was 1 billion rubles.

Dinar Chepnyan is the son of the well-known Sochi deputy and cheburek maker Ogan Chepnyan, who privatized the cheburek shop in Bytkha.
For decades, Armenians simply felt like they owned the Black Sea coast of the Caucasus. But when they began to be brought back under the laws of the Russian Federation, they fled.

[commbatant]

Quote: Seal

For decades, Armenians simply felt like they owned the Black Sea coast of the Caucasus. But when they began to be brought back under the laws of the Russian Federation, they fled.

That's good, you made the old man happy, but for some reason, I don't feel sorry for the Armenian "orphans"...

[Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov]

❝ I knew they would call me traitor, land distributor ❞ —

- And he lived up to expectations...

[carpenter]

I knew that I would be called a traitor, a distributor of lands.

And who would doubt it? Even we, not Armenians, can see it, but any traitor considers himself a liberator.

[esoteric]

Pashinyan is like the Moldovan gypsy Sandu, only he doesn't push too hard because he doesn't share a border with the EU. He was entirely "molded" by Western countries for the Armenian Maidan; even as a journalist on foreign grants, he actively promoted the Western agenda.
__________

Let me say right away: the West will not allow Armenia to return to the fold of Russian influence. Pashinyan will be given any number of votes, like Sandu, to Western applause. They also portrayed a half-dead Yeltsin as winning in 1996, when at least two-thirds of the country was against him (and in reality, more than 75% were against).
(By the way, Putin and United Russia are also projected to win all elections, but that's another story.)

[Free Island]

The main thing is that this United Russia party doesn't get its votes rigged again this October. People are tired of these chip-polinizers.

[Seal]

Quote: esoterica

The West will not allow Armenia to return to the channel of Russian influence.

Was she really within the "channel of our influence"?
Is it under Pashinyan that the US Embassy in Armenia reached 2,5 personnel?
Was it Pashinyan who allowed the United States to equip American bacteriological laboratories in Armenia that collect DNA samples ??
Is it Pashinyan in the United States who was awarded a special medal: "Ellis Island Medal" (a public medal, but recognized by the US Congress and highly respected, there is practically not a single former US President who has not been awarded this medal), which is given "for a special contribution to the development of relations of this or that state with the USA ".
But Sargsyan received such a medal back in 2011, during his visit to the United States. Apparently just for allowing the activity of US bacteriological laboratories on the territory of Armenia. As soon as he assumed the post of President of Armenia (in 2008), he allowed it (in 2009). By the time Sargsyan left, there were already 12 such US bacteriological laboratories in Armenia. By the way, he is the first and so far the only foreign President to be awarded such a medal.
Is it Pashinyan, on the day of the national holiday of Armenia on May 28, 2016, with his entire retinue in the center of Yerevan, was opening a monument to Nazi Nzhdeh? No, Pashinyan was nothing then. And the monument to Nazi Nzhdeh was opened by Serzh Sargsyan and his retinue.
Sargsyan and all previous presidents of Armenia, just like Pashinyan, focused exclusively on the United States. But they knew how to keep their mouths shut and did not forget to periodically loudly praise Russia.

[jovanni]

Pashinyan: Artsakh was turned into a trap for Armenia, but I led the country out of it

Well, a purely Armenian Moses...

[ANB]

Well, a purely Armenian Moses.

Now he's obligated to remove the Armenians from the Yerevan Governorate. But where...
:)

[snow mountain]

Now he's obligated to remove the Armenians from the Yerevan Governorate. But where...
:)

Anywhere, just not to Russia

[Free Island]

Moses at least snatched a bit of gold from the pharaohs and then, professionally covering his tracks for forty years in the desert, evaded pursuit. But this one works only for himself.

[Irek]

Pashinyan will win these elections too, no matter what.

[commbatant]

Quote: Irek

Pashinyan will win these elections too, no matter what.

There are no preconditions for defeat, the people want a freebie from the EU. If necessary, for the sake of this freebie, the Armenians will join the anti-Russian sanctions and ban the Russian language (even with our 102nd World War II on their territory and cheap Russian resources, the losers will tolerate it)...
...in addition to the largest American embassy in the region, the US and EU World Banks will be added...but this will be after the re-election...

[APASUS]

The man is happy that he betrayed those who died for this land, that refugees have appeared in the country. I always thought that was called betrayal.

[commbatant]

Quote: APASUS

refugees appeared in the country

...Armenians themselves previously treated refugees from Azerbaijan with disgust, and now they treat those from Karabakh the same way...they (refugees) distract Armenians from their dream of freebies from the EU and the US...

[APASUS]

Quote: commbatant

Armenians themselves previously treated refugees from Azerbaijan with disgust, and now they treat those from Karabakh the same way... they (the refugees) distract Armenians from their dream of freebies from the EU and the US...

Armenians are disgusted by other Armenians? Then it's clear where Pashinyan's approval ratings come from! Now they'll be promised pensions like in the US, salaries like in Germany, and free frilly panties.

[Same lech]

Armenian Gorbachev and Yeltsin in one bottle... a copy.

[Free Island]

Zelensky may yet become the Armenian Poroshenko

[snow mountain]

I wish that Armenia would become Western Azerbaijan as soon as possible!

[Free Island]

Azerbaijan is also a recently created state (with the direct participation of the Republic of Ingushetia, and then the USSR), and it may well again (☝️) become part of Russia, Turkey, and Iran😂😂😂🤷🤷🤷

[commbatant]

Quote: Schneeberg

I wish that Armenia would become Western Azerbaijan as soon as possible!

and Azerbaijan became part of Iran and Turkey...

[Igor Belobrov]

Don't believe the chatterboxes. They all dream of nothing but disintegrating the Russian Federation. Armenia and Georgia spy in Russia for France and the US, Azerbaijan for Turkey and the US, Kazakhstan for China and England...

[Jacques sekavar]

That's right. If Trump hadn't addressed the issue, and Pashinyan hadn't made a deal, Armenia's very existence would have been at stake.

[commbatant]

Quote: Jacques Sekavar

Pashinyan did not agree to a deal, otherwise the question of Armenia's existence would have arisen.

...What makes you think that? Russia didn't refuse to defend Armenian territory, and Pashinyan didn't even attempt to provide guarantees for the residents of Karabakh when it was handed over to Azerbaijan. He didn't even invite Russia (thanks to which Armenia literally exists) to this deal...
...after Pashinyan's reelection on June 7, 2026, anti-Russian policies in Armenia will only intensify, and then Russia will reconsider its security guarantees for Armenia...
...Karabakh under Armenian control and Russian control over the Iranian-Armenian border were as important for Russia as Crimea as part of Ukraine was for the US, Britain, and the EU...
...Armenia under Pashinyan, or now under any government in Armenia, has lost its strategic significance for the Russian Federation. Armenia is currently a distant, mountainous stretch of land, drenched in the blood of Russian soldiers and a hostile population. Any economic activity by the Russian Federation and Russian business is a venture capital activity.

[Takeshi Kitano]

Strategically, Pashinyan, as a state leader, is acting very wisely for his country. Armenia doesn't need hostility with its neighbors, the Azerbaijanis and the Turks. For Armenia to develop and prosper, it needs access to the world. Armenia is currently practically under blockade. Right now, friendly relations with Turkey, as an economically developed neighbor and a bridge to Europe, America, and other countries, are extremely important to the Armenian people. Of course, some Russian citizens, especially those from the older generation who grew up under communism, don't like this. If you ask them why they need Armenia, they'll answer "it's ours," otherwise Europe or America will take them away. The fate of the Armenians themselves is unlikely to interest them. On Sunday, the Armenian people will choose their own destiny, and as a Russian citizen, I wish them peace.

[Free Island]

The Russian people, in that case, would be quite happy if Armenia's demographics were to sharply increase through the return of Armenians from Russia to their historical homeland. We're not interested in their future, are we? Why should we worry about their fate? Your words, may God hear them.

[Takeshi Kitano]

Some Armenians lived in southern Russia long before the Russian state itself emerged. What if the Armenian people were driven from their lands since ancient times? The Persian Shah Darius expelled them, the Ottoman Turks expelled them, and the Turks expelled them. Armenians have left a significant mark on Russian society. They include renowned military leaders, politicians, scientists, doctors, artists, and so on.

[commbatant]

Quote: Takeshi Kitano

Strategically, Pashinyan, as a state leader, is acting very wisely for his country. Armenia doesn't need hostility with its neighbors, the Azerbaijanis and Turks. For Armenia to develop and prosper, it needs access to the world. Currently, Armenia is practically under blockade. Right now, friendly relations with Turkey, as an economically developed neighbor and a bridge to Europe, America, and other countries, are crucial for the Armenian people.

So who's against it in Russia? The main thing is that it doesn't come at Russia's expense. By re-electing Pashinyan for a second term, Armenians indicated that they don't need Karabakh. It's unclear what Russia's fault is for Armenia's loss of it. And why should Armenia, in order to maintain friendship with Turkey, Azerbaijan, the US, the EU, and the rest of the world, worsen relations with Russia (thanks to which Armenia physically exists?)?
As a citizen of the Russian Federation, I did not force Armenia to join the CSTO, the EAEU, or the CIS, to take loans from the Russian Federation, or to sign an agreement to station the 102nd Military Battalion (formerly the 127th Motorized Rifle Division of the 7th Army of the Transcaucasian Military District of the USSR Armed Forces) on Armenian territory after Zelensky was invited to visit Armenia. I don't care about Armenia's fate or whether it dies today or tomorrow...
Following Sunday's elections, I, as a citizen of the Russian Federation, hope that the Russian President and the Russian government will take the right steps toward Armenia, within the framework of which Russian taxpayers' money will be saved, and that Russian soldiers will leave this hostile country for the Russian Federation, severing all ties with Armenia within the CSTO, the EAEU, and the CIS.
Having elected Pashinyan twice, Armenians have long since decided that their fate is inseparable from that of Russia's enemies – the United States, Turkey, and the EU.

[Takeshi Kitano]

Who's stirring up trouble in the Russian media against Armenia and Pashinyan? The Armenian lobby at the top of the Russian government? Or Armenian businesses in Russia? What does Armenia even matter to Russia?

[commbatant]

Quote: Takeshi Kitano

Why does Russia need Armenia in general?

Now it's of no importance. There are no joint projects, either in terms of defense (lack of cooperation with the Armenian Ministry of Defense) or logistics (the North-South project failed). Small and medium-sized Russian businesses can certainly operate, but their profits are incomparable to Armenian businesses in Russia, meaning Russia must "press" them...otherwise, what use are they to Russia? Other businesses could quickly take the place of Armenian businesses...

The cunning Pashinyan rightly stated that holding a referendum on EU membership now is premature. No one has officially invited Armenia to join the EU, and there is no association agreement with the EU, so nothing depends on him personally after his reelection on June 07.06. Thus, Pashinyan will constantly meet with the leaders of the EAEU and the EU. Meeting with US leaders until December 2026 is pointless; it would even be harmful.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Takeshi Kitano

Friendly relations with Turkey are extremely important for the Armenian people now.

Friendship is a two-way street. Do the Turks themselves even realize they need to be friends with the Armenians?

[Free Island]

This stand-up comedian can't even fly a dove, let alone run a country 😂😂😂😂

[solar]

Karabakh has truly become like a suitcase without a handle for Armenia - it’s awkward to carry and a shame to throw it away.
Even the natives of Karabakh itself, the "Karabakh clan," who ruled Armenia for 20 years, hesitated to annex it. But they wasted their time, instead of pursuing a civilized agreement with the Azerbaijanis while they held the cards. And then it became too late to negotiate... :((

[Ishi]

Is it not destiny to recognize Karabakh as part of Armenia?
It’s just that the NKR people also tried to sit on two chairs.
We can see the result ourselves.

[solar]

Is it not destiny to recognize Karabakh as part of Armenia?

If the people from Karabakh themselves have not recognized it for 20 years, then it is strange to expect this from anyone else.

We can see the result ourselves.

The result is that they did not reach an agreement with Baku on peace while there was still an opportunity.

[YES UZH]

I would take soap, a rope, a stool... and save Armenia.

[Reptiloid]

temptation and trap

So Pashinyan wanted Russia to get completely caught up in this trap. For all the good he owes Russia.

[Ishi]

Pashinyan's next statement: "Armenia has become a trap for Armenians. I have eliminated this quasi-state SO THAT ARMENIANS CAN LIVE FREELY ALL OVER THE WORLD!"

[Prisoner]

Essentially, he said: "Armenians, I betrayed and sold you out. That's how good I am. Vote for me."

[Kaz]

Pashinyan is still a Soros kid, but we must admit that Karabakh is a suitcase without a handle; strategically, it’s ballast.
About the elections
Naturally, he will win, the economy is growing (we need that kind of growth), the social package has been raised, IT is growing, Western investments are coming in, even the population has grown (as I understand, due to Armenians who have moved from the Russian Federation). And propaganda is cleverly presenting this

[guest]

But I took the honest route and said that we should not pass this conflict on to our children.

I would like to ask this character

Do you have children? If so, what do you plan to leave them with, other than the money you stole?

[K-50]

Pashinyan: Artsakh was turned into a trap for Armenia, but I led the country out of it

Then it’s not clear why they were screaming, saying that Russia didn’t help protect him?

[Zoer]

Another fairytale unicorn. HOW do Armenians tolerate him? He humiliated his own ancestors for their victories.
Wow, what does capitalism do to nations?

[Eugene Zaboy]

We were driven into a trap through Artsakh.

There are still plenty of traps in the remaining territory of Armenia from which he could escape and flee to the United States. It's unclear who drove them to Artsakh.

[alexputnik17]

Artsakh became a “temptation and a trap” for the country, from which, you see, he proudly led Armenian statehood.

If Pashinyan continues to play games with the EU against Russia, Armenia's statehood may end...