Why “Tatars” and not “Bulgars”: the story of one name

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Why “Tatars” and not “Bulgars”: the story of one name


The common logic is simple: if our ancestors are Bulgars, then we are a Bulgar people. But the names of peoples live by their own rules. Let's examine how a foreign word became our own and why the Bulgars lost this game.



The Russian chronicle recorded the catastrophe of 1236:

"Godless Tatars came from the eastern countries to the Bulgar land, and took the good city of Bulgar, and killed everyone from the old to the young and small children."

This phrase already conceals all the future confusion: the inhabitants are called Bulgars, the newcomers – Tatars. A few centuries later, the descendants of the devastated Bulgars will bear the name of those who sacked their city.

A myth that is half true


The logic of "Bulgar ancestors, therefore the Bulgar people" seems ironclad. And it's true, but only up to the word "therefore," which is where everything stumbles.

The Volga Bulgars truly stand at the origins of the Tatar people. In 922, their ruling elite adopted Islam, long before the Christianization of Rus', and it remains the cornerstone of the Tatar faith. historical memory. The city of Bolgar was a major trading center at the junction of the Volga and Kama rivers. There's no arguing with that.

But the word "means" is more complicated. A people isn't passed down in a direct line, like a family name. It's a composite of various elements. Over time, the Bulgar core was joined by a powerful Finno-Ugric stratum, Kipchak steppe dwellers, and, to a lesser extent, Mongols. Considering the Volga Tatars to be solely descended from the Bulgars is like considering Russians to be solely descended from the Polyans, forgetting the Vyatichi, Varangians, and the Finnic tribes of Zalesye.

The Bulgars themselves are also not a “pure” people


To be honest, the Bulgars weren't an ethnic monolith either. They belonged to the Oghur branch of the Turks: a distinct, early-diverging group of Turkic languages, significantly different in phonetics from the main, "common Turkic" group. The only surviving language of this branch today is Chuvash. (A paradox we'll return to: the closest linguistic relative of the ancient Bulgars is not Tatar, but Chuvash.) The Bulgars emerged somewhere in the steppes between today's Kazakhstan and the North Caucasus, incorporating groups of very diverse nomads.

They then spread across Eurasia. One branch migrated to the Danube, merged with the Slavs, and gave rise to the First Bulgarian Empire. The other settled on the Middle Volga. And this Volga state existed as a crossroads from the very beginning.

This is clearly evident in the bones. A paleogenetic study of remains from the city of Bolgar, burials dating back to the early 14th century (work conducted in the 2010s), revealed a mixed picture. Some of the buried individuals are genetically close to the Finno-Ugric groups of the region and today's Kazan Tatars. Others display a Transcaucasian profile, Armenian or Anatolian, consistent with archaeology: the city was inhabited by merchant settlers. Thus, Bolgar was a trading hub where people and languages ​​mingled, and the "purity" of Bolgar is already an illusion at this stage.

Where did the word "Tatar" come from?


But then things get strange. The word "Tatar" originated far from the Volga and initially had no connection whatsoever with the Bulgars. Moreover, it wasn't even a Turkic self-designation.

The ancient Turkic Orkhon inscriptions of the 8th century mention "otuz tatar" (thirty Tatars) and "tokuz tatar" (nine Tatars) – tribal associations in the territory of today's Mongolia. Chinese chronicles simultaneously write about "da-ta" – the same root. These are Mongolian-speaking nomads or those closely related to the Mongols. In the Turkic community, the root tat Often meant "outsiders," people of a different language (the etymology here, however, is controversial, with several versions). Roughly speaking, "Tatar" initially meant "not us."

The story then becomes almost mocking. The Tatars were one of the major tribes of the Mongolian plateau and longtime enemies of the clan from which Genghis Khan emerged, and he defeated them. But the name outlived its bearers. As the Mongol army rolled westward, neighbors began calling all the conquerors Tatars. The Franciscan monk Plano Carpini, who reached the khan's headquarters in the 1240s, titled his work unequivocally: "History of the Mongols, Whom We Call Tatars" (Historia Mongalorum, quos nos Tartaros appellamus). In Europe, the form Tartar In addition, due to the consonance, they associated it with the hellish Tartarus, and the image of “people from the underworld” stuck forever.


How the name reached the Volga



In 1236, the armies of Batu Khan and Subutai captured Bolgar. Bulgaria became part of the Golden Horde – the Ulus of Jochi, which stretched from Siberia to the Black Sea region. (Chronicles describe a wholesale massacre, but historians disagree: a significant portion of the population appears to have survived and integrated into the new system.)

The Horde was oddly structured. The ruling elite was Mongol, while the vast majority of the population were Kipchak Turks. The few conquerors quickly merged into this Kipchak mass. In the 14th century, the Arab official Ibn Fadlallah al-Umari reported that the "true Tatars," that is, the Mongols, interbred with the Kipchaks so much that after a couple of generations they were indistinguishable. The Mongolian language gave way to Kipchak dialects, and the elites converted to Islam under the Khans Berke and Uzbek.

But the name remained. For Russians and Europeans, all subjects of the Horde were Tatars, both the steppe nomads and the sedentary descendants of the Bulgars. Local self-designations faded into the background. Inwardly, a person might consider themselves a Muslim, a Bulgar, a resident of Kazan, but outwardly, they were Tatars, and this external name resonated louder than all the internal ones.

Who finally hammered this name in?


The Horde disintegrated into khanates—Kazan, Crimea, Astrakhan, and Siberia. But the name "Tatars" had already become an umbrella term, encompassing almost all Muslim Turks in the former Horde territory.

Moscow then took over. For a state that had built its legitimacy on its victory over the "Tatar yoke," the image of the Tatar was a key symbol. Having captured Kazan in 1552 and Astrakhan in 1556, Moscow also inherited the habit of calling local Muslims "Tatars." The Russian Empire systematized this: in censuses and documents, "Tatars" were used to describe Muslim Turks from the Volga region to Siberia, as well as Transcaucasian Muslims, who were also called "Tatars" (hence the old "Caucasian Tatars"); their name was changed in Soviet times, beginning in the 1930s, to "Azerbaijanis." (The terminology, incidentally, was fluid: the same people could be listed as "Tatars" and "Mohammedans" in different documents.)

There was also an internal reason, not just imperial pressure. By the early 20th century, "Tatar" had proven a convenient umbrella. It encompassed Kazan, Crimean, Siberian, and Astrakhan Muslims, all different in history but recognizably related. "Bulgar," however, only encompassed the Middle Volga region, remaining a label for a single group and a single genealogy. The Jadid reformers who were building the modern nation needed a broader term, and "Tatar" provided it. In 1920, the name acquired a seal and borders: the Tatar ASSR was born.

Bulgarism: A Revenge That Came Too Late


And yet, there was an attempt to reclaim the name. In the second half of the 19th century, an ideology called Bulgarism emerged. Its proponents argued that the Volga Tatars were the direct descendants of the Bulgars, and that the Golden Horde was merely an alien accretion. Therefore, the proud name "Bulgar" had to be restored and the label "Tatar" cast off, along with the entire legacy of the "yoke" and raids.

The motive is clear. In Russian historiography, the Tatar was a figure of conqueror and destroyer, while the Bulgar was a peaceful merchant and representative of the early Islamic civilization. Changing one's name meant changing one's reputation. Even in our time, the historian Gali Yenikeyev criticized the rejection of the Tatar name and the negative portrayal of the ancient Tatars, seeing in it a trace of Eurocentric tradition. The Finnish researcher Antero Leitzinger observed the opposite: Bulgarists clung to the ancient Bulgars precisely because they were uneasy about the imposed negative image.

During Soviet times, the Bulgar version was even pushed from above: the peaceful Bulgars were ideologically more respectable than the "feudal conquerors" of the Horde. But the authorities didn't rename the people. And when the debate flared up again in the twilight of the USSR, the main thing became clear: people already considered themselves Tatars. By then, the Bulgars had become an ancestor they were proud of, but no longer called by their name. Revenge was several centuries too late.

What's left in the end?


The compromise is most clearly visible in the language. Tatar belongs to the Kipchak branch of the Turkic languages, a legacy of the Horde. But it retains a Bulgar substratum: individual words with characteristic Oghur phonetics. The language is literally stitched together from two main layers, Kipchak and Bulgar, and the seam is visible. (That same Chuvash paradox, by the way: it's not Tatar, but Chuvash, that maintains the direct Oghur lineage.)

Genetics present the same duality. On the maternal side, Volga Tatars are dominated by West Eurasian mitochondrial lineages, approximately 84 percent, with a significant Finno-Ugric contribution and a small East Asian share of 12–16 percent. Neither Bulgar nor Mongolian "purity" is discernible in these figures.

Hence the answer to the original question. The Bulgars stand at the source, but they are not the only ancestor and far from the most numerous. The name, however, was attached to the most powerful state: under its name, the people were remembered by their neighbors and incorporated into empires. And also because this word unified more broadly than any local name. The Bulgars have not disappeared: they are in the language, in memory, in the date 922. And at the top, in all documents and censuses, the name of these former outsiders settled—and over eight centuries, it became completely their own.
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  1. +8
    3 June 2026 05: 22
    In the army, I learned about Crimean Tatars. They don't live in Crimea, though. I personally witnessed a Crimean Tatar talking to an Uzbek from Kyrgyzstan.
    Or, for example, I learned about the Talysh, a people living in northern Iran and southern Azerbaijan. The Talysh are linguistically related to the Tajiks. And the Azerbaijanis understand Uzbek.
    So it's complicated. The author described the Tatars with ease. But we bet a similar attempt to describe the Russians would result in a universal uproar.
    1. +8
      3 June 2026 07: 24
      To add some more fuel to the article, there are also the Bashkirs, who are almost completely identical in language and culture to the Kazan Tatars (there are genetic differences). But the catch is, they were already living in the Southern Urals before the Tatar invasion. This is true both during and after. Which completely negates the entire article. And no one called them Tatars.
      1. + 11
        3 June 2026 07: 59
        Quote: Civil
        and there are also the Bashkirs, who are almost completely identical in language and culture to the Kazan Tatars (there is a difference in genetics)
        The difference in genetics is colossal! Bashkirs have a Western European haplogroup! And where it came from, thousands of kilometers from the main habitat of this haplogroup, is another mystery...
    2. +6
      3 June 2026 07: 38
      So it's all complicated. The author described the Tatars with ease.

      Lev (the Author) tried to reveal the topic based on galvanized sources of only one side of the interests - the "Kazan Tatars".
      However, the question is much broader and more interesting. "Tatars" firmly hold a position among the second- or third-largest nationalities in the regions of the Russian Federation. Essentially, it's a self-identification index, like "Russian."
      To subjugate it with "Bulgars" is a mistake. Incidentally, during the formation of the Bashkir ASSR, and the Sverdlovsk, Molotov (Perm), and Chelyabinsk regions, some "Bashkirs" refused to "follow Ufa's lead." Some refused because of their religion—the Nagoybaks; others because of their nationality—the Tatars.
      1. +6
        3 June 2026 07: 45
        Read - digitized.
        The paws are crooked...
        1. + 10
          3 June 2026 07: 52
          And I liked the galvanized ones...
      2. +6
        3 June 2026 07: 49
        Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
        To buy it with "Bulgars" is a mistake
        The Tatars themselves consider themselves the heirs of Bulgaria...
        1. +6
          3 June 2026 09: 00
          The concept of “Tatars” is broader than “Bulgars”.
          The Tatars and Bashkirs themselves mostly call the Kazan Tatars Volga Tatars.
          The Tyumen (Siberian) and Crimean Tatars, in turn, dispute the “exclusivity” of the Kazan Tatars.
          By the way, more than once or twice I witnessed Tatars arguing about which of them is the correct “Tatar”…
        2. 0
          3 June 2026 21: 57
          No, we are Tatars, I have never seen many Bulgars, just a few dozen activists, the rest are just curious onlookers
        3. 0
          28 July 2026 18: 44
          These are the Bayramovites.
          Nationalists.
      3. +2
        3 June 2026 20: 57
        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
        By the way, during the formation of the Bashkir ASSR, Sverdlovsk, Molotov (Perm), Chelyabinsk regions, some of the “Bashkirs” refused to go “under the arm of Ufa.”

        I read that during censuses, significant changes in the ethnic composition of some areas of the Tatar and Bashkir ASSRs were often recorded, even though no migrations had supposedly occurred. It turned out the census takers were to blame. Ethnic Tatars were universally recorded as Tatars. Bashkirs, of all people. feel
        1. +2
          3 June 2026 22: 47
          Good night Ivan!
          The problem was more complex…
          1. The Tatars living in the Sverdlovsk and Chelyabinsk regions do not consider themselves close relatives of the Kazan Tatars or any other Tatars. They claim that they arrived on the western borders of both regions with Khan Kuchum, forming the outer border of the Siberian Khanate. Initially, they were sedentary farmers, unlike the mixed-nomadic Bashkirs or the hunting Mansi.
          However, with the fall of the Sibir Khanate, they found themselves in the center of Russian lands. Some of them went to the Nogai in the Barbary steppes, while the rest remained. However, the assimilation of Tatar villages by Bashkir yurts did not occur. On the contrary, the more culturally advanced Tatars assimilated the Bashkirs and Mansi of the surrounding lands. The first documented settlement in the Sverdlovsk region, the first school, and the first mosque were the Tatar village of Arakaevo, among others.
          However, they always described themselves as Bashkirs - one version is that they were afraid of Russian revenge.
          Moreover, this discrepancy was pointed out by everyone from Remizov to Tatishchev. At the same time, the Tatars were always loyal to the mining administration and the Russians, unlike the Bashkirs. Therefore, despite rebellions, unrest, and robberies, they generally remained loyal to their own cause, unlike their restless neighbors.
          2. The Bashkirs benefited from the recognition of their Cossack rights. The resourcefulness of the local Ural "ethnic minority" is truly admirable. For example, the residents of the village of Akbash en masse became "serfs" of the Stroganovs, receiving a hospital, a school, a church, and a pension for the village.
          3. Census takers...how to distinguish a Sverdlovsk Tatar from a Sverdlovsk Bashkir or a Russian - it's right who you believe in, uncle..., and how about a Nagoybak (Orthodox Bashkir) from a Russian...yep, in the first huts, an additional hole was made in the chimney of the Russian stove for the pipe of the samovar...go for it.
          And that's necessary, everyone considers themselves who they feel they are. Or like my neighbor, who drinks vodka and goes to church according to his mother's heritage—Russian, cooks lamb and attends mosque according to his father's heritage—Bashkir, yet still considers himself a Genghis Khan and a Tatar, even though he's proud of his Greek estate, Vasily!
    3. +3
      3 June 2026 13: 27
      -Then they were scattered across Eurasia.
      There were three clans/tribes. The third covered the retreat of the future Volga and Danube Bulgars and was defeated by the Khazars. Their descendants (three clans), being part of Khazaria, later rebelled but were forced to flee with the Ugrians to Pannonia.
      1. +5
        3 June 2026 14: 11
        Quote: knn54
        -Then they were scattered across Eurasia.
        There were three clans/tribes. The third covered the retreat of the future Volga and Danube Bulgars and was defeated by the Khazars. Their descendants (three clans), being part of Khazaria, later rebelled but were forced to flee with the Ugrians to Pannonia.

        There's an excellent Bulgarian film, "Khan Asparukh," based on historical facts. After the death of Kubrat, the ruler of Great Bulgaria between the Volga and Don, his three sons led an exodus from there, dividing the people into three tribes, attempting to escape the onslaught of nomadic tribes, as they found themselves along the route of the Great Migration. One of the brothers, Asparukh, led his tribe westward and founded the Bulgarian state, where they interbred with the southern Slavs. This is why modern Bulgarians speak Slavic, but their national dress resembles that of the Chuvash. His youngest brother, Alcek, accompanied him; he reached Italy and merged with the Longobard tribe. The second-eldest son, Kobrat, went north and founded Volga Bulgaria. Batbayan's eldest son went south, where his tribe interbred with the Avars and became the Balkars... Everything was mixed up in the Oblonsky household... pardon me, Bulgars, Bulgarians, and Balkars. Yes, they are all Turks.
        1. 0
          5 June 2026 17: 05
          M.I. Artamonov wrote in his "History of the Khazars": "By Great Bulgaria," concludes F. Westberg, "we should understand the lands from the Sea of ​​Azov to the Dnieper approximately," and also, we might add, from the Don to the Kuban. It encompassed not only the Azov Bulgars, but also the northern Black Sea Kutrigurs."
          After Kubrat's death, the territory of Great Bulgaria, which was not yet a state, but rather a proto-state territorial union, was divided between his five sons: Batbayan, Kotrag, Asparukh, Kuber, and Alcek.
          Batbayan's eldest son, also known as Bezmer, did not go south, but remained with his horde. These Bulgars eventually became tributaries of the Khazars, and were later known as the "Black Bulgars." They are mentioned in Prince Igor's treaty with the Byzantine Empire. From the late 10th century onward, they cease to be mentioned in sources, meaning they most likely disappeared as a tribe, mixing with neighboring peoples.
          The Caucasian Balkars have no direct relation to these Bulgars. Their self-designation is Malqarlyla or Taulula. They are genetically little different from their mountain neighbors, and their language is Turkic, of the Kipchak subgroup. This means they are essentially the same North Caucasian mountain people who at some point switched to a Turkic-Kipchak language, just like their neighbors, the Karachays.
          Kubrat's second son, Kotrag, and his horde moved north and subsequently settled on the middle Volga and Kama, where Volga Bulgaria arose.
          Kubrat's third son, Asparukh, went with his horde to the Danube and created the Bulgarian Kingdom in the lower Danube region.
          Kubrat's fourth son, Kuber (Kuver), fled with his horde to Pannonia, where he joined the Avars. He then attempted to become the Avar Khagan, but after a failed uprising, he fled with the remnants of his people to the Balkans, where their trail was lost.
          Kubrat's fifth son, Alcek, fled with his horde first to the Avars and then attempted to settle in Bavaria, but was treacherously defeated by the Frankish king Dagobert I. He eventually retreated first to Carantania and then to Italy, where he was granted lands in Tuscany and the Benevento region for his military service. Paul the Deacon wrote about them in his "History of the Lombards." A monument to Alcek was even erected in the town of Cele di Bulgheria.
    4. +2
      3 June 2026 13: 31
      Crimean Tatars are actually Turks. That is, the ancestors of the Turks who remained from the Ottoman Empire. They have nothing in common with the Volga Tatars. Catherine the Great named them after their place of residence—Crimea. They understand each other because they are members of the Turkic language group. They have many similar words.
      1. +1
        4 June 2026 15: 04
        Quote: Declarant
        Crimean Tatars are actually Turks.

        Well, not exactly the Turks. These were also Greeks, Goths, Alans, and Armenians who became Muslims under pressure from the laws of the Crimean Khanate.
      2. 0
        5 June 2026 17: 13
        As correctly noted above, the Crimean Tatars are a conglomerate of Crimean peoples united by Islam at various times. Even the Crimean Tatar language speaks for itself, as it comprises three Crimean Tatar dialects of diverse origins: the southern coastal dialect belongs to the Oghuz group, the steppe dialect belongs to the Kipchak-Nogai subgroup, and the basis of the literary language—the middle dialect—is an idiom belonging to the Kipchak-Polovtsian subgroup, strongly influenced by Oghuz. The Oghuz element is clearly a Turkish influence, while the rest predates the Turkish era.
  2. +3
    3 June 2026 05: 33
    It is curious why the Author (Lev) avoids mentioning that Volga Bulgaria was formed as a state within the Khazar Khaganate?
    Two centuries of dependence are no joke, though!
    The second issue is that the Tatars' union with the Volga Bulgars appears rather late in our chronicles. The Kazan Tatars themselves date it to the period of the collapse of the Golden Horde. More specifically, it occurred after the Battle of Kulikovo. Prior to this, our sources specifically identified the Bulgars, not the Tatars.
    In essence, the marker is Kazan, Crimean, Astrakhan and other "Tatars" local.
    Well, regarding Bulgaria, especially its millennium celebration, it's on par with the Kiev joke. See: Two Arabic coins served as the basis!!!
    1. +6
      3 June 2026 07: 53
      Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
      Was Volga Bulgaria formed as a state within the Khazar Khaganate?
      But before that, long before the Khazar Khaganate and the formation of Volga Bulgaria, Bulgar tribal unions fought against the Turkic Khaganate. With the Turkic Khaganate, everything seems clear, but who comprised the Bulgar tribal unions remains a mystery. Probably, after all. Finno-Ugric tribes who have lived here since time immemorial, and have already begun to absorb Turkic elements...
      1. +3
        3 June 2026 09: 02
        The key word is "Bulgarian tribal unions". hi
      2. 0
        5 June 2026 17: 44
        Who was part of the Bulgar tribal unions is a mystery

        Why the mystery? At the very least, the so-called UGUR tribes are known, which formed the Bulgar tribal union: the Onogurs, Saragurs, Kutrigurs, and Utigurs. Perhaps, given the nomadic and semi-nomadic lifestyle of these tribes, they may have also included some of the Belendzhers, Savirs, and Akatsirs, the future Khazars. A Finno-Ugric component may also have been present, since the word "Ugric" itself is believed to derive from the Turkic "ogur."
  3. +1
    3 June 2026 05: 34
    As I assumed, Viktor Sergeevich Bagrov in the film "Brother 2" was not only referring to Romanians and Bulgarians when he said, "What's the difference..."
    1. +3
      3 June 2026 07: 57
      Speaking of the Bulgarians, I happened to inquire about their history going back two thousand years.
      I still wonder who came up with the idea of ​​classifying the Bulgarians as Slavs, given that they were ruled by khans. And there's nothing Slavic about any Bulgarian.
      1. +9
        3 June 2026 08: 03
        Quote: Gardamir
        Who came up with the idea of ​​classifying Bulgarians as Slavs?
        Genetically, they are Turks who came from the banks of the Volga and Kama, but under the influence of the Slavs, who were clustered at that time on the Danube, on the border with Byzantium, they switched to the Slavic language...
        1. +5
          3 June 2026 11: 10
          Who came up with the idea of ​​classifying Bulgarians as Slavs?
          Genetically, they are Turks who came from the banks of the Volga and Kama rivers.

          Nicholas hi
          I agree with your first statement. Yes, genetically they are Turks, originally from the great steppe. But I don't agree with the second.
          Luminman:those who came from the banks of the Volga and Kama

          On the contrary, they arrived on the Danube, Volga, and Kama not from the great steppe, but from the northern Caucasus and the Black Sea region only in the 7th century, under pressure from the Oghuz and Alans, and from the Khazars and Adyghe on the other side. Recall the Caspian Great Bulgar, or at least the Nart epic Alaugan, about the expulsion of the Torks.
          1. +4
            3 June 2026 11: 27
            Byzantine chronicles already wrote about the so-called Great Black Sea-Caspian Bulgar—the first Bulgar state union, where the Turkic ancestors of the Budgars initially migrated from the great steppe. The ethnonym "Tatars" itself originates from Byzantium. This ethnonym entered Old Russian church chronicles from Byzantium. This tribal name was first used in Anna Komnene's "Alexiad" as a designation for Byzantine mercenaries from Black Sea Bulgar, from the name of their tribal leader, Tatarus (Greek: Tatarus).
            Link.: Anna Comnena. An Abridged Account of the Deeds of Tsar Alexei Comnenus (1081-1118), Part I. St. Petersburg, 1859, pp. 357-358, — V. V.

            Fig. the settlement of the Bulgar steppe horde of Khan Kubrat in the 7th century
          2. +5
            3 June 2026 13: 11
            Nart epic Alaugan about the expulsion of the Torks.

            By the way, this is who the article is specifically about - the Torks.
            The Torks are a Turkic nomadic people related to the Pechenegs and Polovtsians. In the 11th century, they appeared on the borders of Rus', fleeing the onslaught of other nomads.
            The Torts of the Pechenegs came to Rus and made peace with Vladimir.
            – this is how the chronicles describe their first appearance.
            Unlike other steppe dwellers, the Torks quickly found common ground with the Russian princes. As early as 1055, they formed an alliance with Yaroslav the Wise, becoming the first nomads to enter the service of Rus':
            "The Torts, seeing the strength of the Russians, surrendered to their service and began to live with them in peace" - Laurentian Chronicle
            The Torks were excellent warriors. Their mounted archers were unrivaled in the steppes. Russian princes quickly recognized this potential. According to the Laurentian Chronicle, by 1116, up to half of the cavalry in the retinues of the southern Russian princes were Torks. Their tactics became the foundation of Russian steppe warfare. The Torks didn't simply serve—they became part of Rus'. The princes allocated them land for settlement: the centers of Tork settlements in Rus' were the towns of Torchesk on the Ros River and Torkovye near Kiev. Archaeological finds from 2024 confirm that in these settlements, the Torks preserved their culture but gradually adopted Russian customs. The last mention of the Torks in chronicles dates back to 1235—they defended Torkovye and Kyiv from the Mongols.
            And finally, I will quote the words of the famous historian, Academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences Alexei Valerievich Naumov:
            "Torquay in Rus' is an example of how different peoples could not only coexist, but together build a great power (c)"

            Eduard, Valery, if you raise the topic of the Torks in Rus', many readers will be grateful to you for little-known pages of our history.
            1. 0
              5 June 2026 18: 45
              The Torks, also known as Guzes or Ozy (Oghuz), are the same Turks, at that time nomadic tribes of the Aral Sea region. However, unlike their fellow Seljuk Turks, who converted to Islam and left Central Asia for the south, to Persia and further to Asia Minor, the Torks of Russian chronicles, at roughly the same time, under pressure from the Kipchak tribes, migrated northwest to the Black Sea steppes, where they encountered the Russian principalities in the early 11th century. The Torks belonged to the Oghuz branch of the Turks, unlike the Polovtsian-Kipchak tribes, who caught up with them just 20 years later in what was now the Polovtsian steppe. And essentially, they had nowhere else to go, so they so willingly entered the service of the Russian princes and settled on the lands assigned to them.
          3. +5
            3 June 2026 18: 03
            Quote: Luminman
            On the contrary, they did not come to the Danube, Volga and Kama from the great steppe.
            I was referring to the ethnogenesis of the Balkan Bulgarians, who came from the banks of the Volga and Kama rivers, and some of those who settled in the Caucasus (the Balkars). While the Caucasian Balkars remain Turkic-speaking, the Balkan Bulgarians became Slavicized...
            1. -1
              5 June 2026 18: 56
              The Caucasian Balkars have no direct relation to the Bulgars. Their self-designation is Malqarlyla or Taulula. They are genetically little different from their mountain neighbors, and their language is Turkic, of the Kipchak subgroup. This means they are essentially the same North Caucasian mountain people, similar to the Svans, but living on the northern side of the Caucasus Mountains, who at some point switched to a Turkic-Kipchak language. Just like their neighbors, the Karachays, this happened, according to scholarly evidence, as early as the 15th century.
        2. -2
          5 June 2026 18: 25
          What nonsense. Genetically, the Bulgars cannot possibly be Turks who came from the banks of the Volga and Kama. Firstly, Asparukh's Bulgars arrived on the lower Danube not from the Kama and Volga, but from the Black Sea and Azov regions. The easternmost point from which they could have come was Kuban. Secondly, those Bulgars, compared to the Slavs of the Union of the Seven Slavic Tribes and other Slavic tribes in Dobruja and its surroundings, were far fewer in number. And the relationship between the Bulgars and the Slavs was most likely more of an alliance than purely tributary. As a result, the Bulgars there quickly assimilated into the overwhelming Slavic majority. As a result, Khan Omurtag had sons named Zvinitsa and Malamir.
          Another thing is that successive waves of Turks periodically came to the lands of Bulgaria, first the nomadic Pechenegs, Polovtsians, Tatars, and then the Turks.
          Nevertheless, saying that "Bulgarians are genetically Turkic" is the same as saying that Turks (from Turkey) are genetically Turkic. Turks belong to the Turkic ethnolinguistic family, of course, but they are genetically primarily descended from the pre-Turkic population of Asia Minor. Bulgarians belong to the Slavic ethnolinguistic family and are genetically descended from both the pre-Slavic population of Bulgaria, and to a greater extent from the Slavs, and to a lesser extent from the Turks—Bulgars and all the others.
  4. +2
    3 June 2026 07: 13
    The article is insightful, but I think the author has backed himself into a corner. On the one hand, "there was no purity of the Bulgars; they were a mixture." On the other, everyone carefully sidesteps an inconvenient conclusion: if the closest linguistic kin to the ancient Bulgars are the Chuvash, not the Tatars, then on what basis do Kazan Tatars claim the Bulgars as their direct ancestors? So, are we proud of something we hold so little respect for, both in blood and language?
    1. +5
      3 June 2026 08: 16
      In 922, the Bulgars converted to Islam, while the Chuvash remained pagans and later converted to Christianity. So, all descendants are like two sons of the same father.
    2. +1
      4 June 2026 05: 33
      Let me repeat: only a few dozen activists claim to be Bulgars, and the article's conclusions are incomprehensible. Some Russians claim Scythian ancestry, but science and facts refute this connection. Does this mean that all Russians claim Scythian ancestry and are proud of something to which they have absolutely no connection by blood or language?
  5. +3
    3 June 2026 07: 20
    This is not true at all. In the Turkic language, the words Bulgar, Bolgar, Bylgar, etc. translate as "mixed," like a bubbling, seething mixture. For example, if you mix something in a boiling pot, cauldron, or saucepan, that's what it's called. This name originated at the mouth of the Volga (Etil) somewhere around the turn of the first millennium due to the emergence of the first trading settlements of the Turkic peoples as a trade route from Central Asia to Europe.
    1. +3
      3 June 2026 15: 09
      It turned out beautifully - the Bulgar is bubbling and cooking in the Kazan cauldron.
      Melting pot of nations.. Yes
  6. +8
    3 June 2026 07: 49
    Over time, the Bulgar core was joined by a powerful Finno-Ugric layer, Kipchak steppe dwellers and, to a lesser extent, Mongols.
    Here, everything is the other way around; rather, an alien Turkic element was added to the early Finno-Ugric layer living in this territory, and the Bulgar core was formed...
    1. +6
      3 June 2026 09: 08
      Here, everything is the other way around; rather, an alien Turkic element was added to the early Finno-Ugric layer living in this territory, and the Bulgar core was formed...

      I'd add that, in essence, a process of assimilation of the Bulgars into the Finno-Ugric supra was observed. A similar process occurred with Great Bulgaria in the south. Only the Slavic tribes served as the foundation.
  7. +5
    3 June 2026 08: 09
    In 1920, the name received a seal and borders: the Tatar ASSR appeared.


    Local deputies asked to name it the Bulgar ASSR, but Moscow decided on its own.
    1. +3
      3 June 2026 08: 29
      By the way, in tsarist times there was a people called Cheremisa. Well, Cheremisa and Cheremisa. But after the revolution, they all became Mari. Such miracles.
      By the way, is there a difference between Kazakhs and Kyrgyz?
    2. +4
      3 June 2026 17: 04
      These were deputies, Muslim Old Believers, "Vaisovites." And Moscow made the right decision back then.
  8. +3
    3 June 2026 08: 54

    Where did the word "Tatar" come from?
    ...
    In Europe, the form Tartar was also associated with the hellish Tartarus by its consonance.

    Each nationality probably has its own explanations
    Yes, in ancient Turkic, it seems to be - stranger, foreigner
    According to the Mongolian version, "Tatar" means to speak indistinctly, to stutter (approximately how all foreigners were called in Europe - "barbarian" - a person with an incomprehensible language)
    I even came across a mention somewhere that the name came from some local river - Tatar
    By the way, I have often come across our explanation of the etymology of this word - from the Old Russian "tat'" - a thief, robber, enemy
    In general, there are many explanations, you can choose any one you like)

    And yes, the article is interesting, thank you!
  9. +3
    3 June 2026 10: 05
    These are all legends and tales. There are several versions of the origin of the name "TATARS," one of which was given by E.P. Savelyev in his book "The Ancient History of the Cossacks."

    I recalled an interpretation of the name of the Moscow region town of RUZA: during the Tatar-Mongol invasion, the Tatars were unable to take this town by storm, and therefore gave it the name Ruza, which supposedly means "castle" in the Tatar language.

    And many local residents believed this fairy tale.
    1. +5
      3 June 2026 14: 02
      The city is named after the Ruza River, which derives its name from the Finno-Ugric ruseti, meaning "to flow quietly" (rusnoti, meaning "to flow slowly"). ruosa, meaning "a stream with a narrow meadow floodplain, located between fields and forests."
      1. +1
        3 June 2026 14: 15
        What is the Finno-Ugric language? I wouldn't mind learning it.
        1. +5
          3 June 2026 14: 48
          What is the Finno-Ugric language?

          That was a cool joke, dear Gardamir. good You definitely get a thumbs up for the sarcasm! But don't be picky—you get the gist of my post. The toponym Ruza has Finno-Ugric roots.
          The Finno-Ugric language group is quite numerous and widespread across Eurasia. Many peoples belong to this group. Therefore, I used both the Baltic Ruznoti and the Khanty Ruoza as examples. The meaning is the same.
      2. +3
        3 June 2026 15: 56
        The city is named after the Ruza River, which is of Finno-Ugric origin.
        Ilovaisky was also constantly surprised: why do you persistently search for explanations of Slavic words in foreign languages?

        Ruzy is one of the variants of the word "Rus". Ruza means "rye" or "grain tribute".
        It is unknown what the river was named after: either the Ruza tribe, or the tribe after the river - it is unknown due to the long period of time.

        It's like with my river Khimka - they stubbornly derive this name from some unknown Finno-Ugric languages
        1. +3
          3 June 2026 16: 58
          Ruzy is one of the variants of the word "Rus". Ruza means "rye" or "grain tribute".
          .
          I welcome your Slavophilism, but even before the Rus', life was already in full swing there. Official portal of the Ruzsky municipal district ( link https://ruzaregion.ru/ ) о своей топонимика пишет следующее:
          1. -3
            3 June 2026 17: 15
            Why did you decide that what was written on this portal is 100% true, and not just a hypothesis put forward by Western historians?

            Ruza is a variant of the names Russa and Rouzha. All these are ancient Slavic (Russian) names
            There are the Veina and Pednya rivers nearby. Do you think these are also words from the Finno-Ugric languages? laughing
            Come on - let's fantasize
            1. +4
              3 June 2026 18: 17
              Quote: Lewww
              Ruza is a variant of the names Russa and Rouzha. All these are ancient Slavic (Russian) names
              And you ask yourself the question: when did the Slavs appear in these parts?
            2. +4
              3 June 2026 18: 51
              put forward by Western historians?

              Famously belay Well, let's get Mitya's boots!!! laughing So, in your opinion, the history and toponymy experts from Moscow State University, Kazan State University, and the Moscow Institute of Historical and Cultural Studies, who independently gave identical answers to an official inquiry from the Russian municipality, are all Westernizers and Russophobes? Or illiterate ignoramuses?
              1. +1
                3 June 2026 19: 17
                Have you seen this answer with your own eyes?
                During the Soviet era, according to the official version, apparently also voiced by similar “experts,” teachers explained to children studying in schools in the city of Ruza that the name Ruza derived from the Tatar word "lock".

                I've seen enough of these kinds of delusional interpretations in my time. For example, a number of "historians" still stubbornly insist that the names of the first Russian princes, Oleg and Igor, are not Russo-Slavic, but foreign.
                Because if we admit that they are Russian, then the tale of the calling of Rurik and his comrades, which for a long time was (and is) the main pillar of Russian historiography, will go to hell.
                1. +3
                  3 June 2026 20: 02
                  Quote: Lewww
                  The names of the first Russian princes, Oleg and Igor, are not Russo-Slavic, but foreign
                  And the names Helg and Ingvar don’t mean anything to you? wink
                  1. +2
                    3 June 2026 20: 20
                    No, I don’t know these people, who are they?
                    I know the Russian-Slavic names Voleg, its feminine version Volga, and the name of the Volga River.
                    Or is Volga also a word from Finno-Ugric? laughing

                    And if you insist that Ruza is a word from Finno-Ugric, then it is logical to assume that the name Old Ruza is also from Finno-Ugric.
                    Well, and by the way, the names of the rivers Veina and Lednya also come from it, because there (according to your version) lived the multi-million Finno-Ugric people laughing
                    Well, and also the name of the river Ozerna from the same great, mighty and free Finno-Ugric language laughing
                    1. 0
                      4 June 2026 07: 40
                      Quote: Lewww
                      And if you insist that Ruza is a word from Finno-Ugric
                      I'm not insisting on this at all. But I'm not ruling it out either, since this region was, after all, part of the Finno-Ugric settlement area...
                      1. +1
                        4 June 2026 08: 41
                        Have you considered the possibility that this powerful Finno-Ugric people could have been displaced by the Slavs and given their own names for the rivers? feel

                        And I wanted to ask you: is the word RUZHA also from the Finno-Ugric language, what do you think?
        2. +3
          3 June 2026 18: 13
          Quote: Lewww
          It's like with my river Khimka - they stubbornly derive this name from some unknown Finno-Ugric languages
          If you're talking about Moscow's Khimki, it's entirely possible that this hydronym originates from Finno-Ugric languages, as does the name of Moscow itself. As do the cities of Ryazan and Murom in the Vladimir region. As do the Kama and Oka rivers. And many, many other names...
          1. +1
            3 June 2026 18: 35
            If you are talking about Moscow's Khimki, then it is quite possible that this hydronym also originated from the Finno-Ugric languages,
            I see that wherever you poke, there are some unknown Finno-Ugric languages ​​everywhere.
            Where did your Slavs live? Maybe only in Novgorod? request
            And further away from Moscow, only Finns and Ugrians lived?

            The names of the rivers Pednya and Khimka are the result of errors in mapping.
            The correct names are HILKA and LEDNYA.
            Veina is a name from Old Church Slavonic.
            Rusa, Ruza and Ruzha also come from Old Church Slavonic.
            There is no point in looking for something foreign where there is no trace of it.
            1. +3
              3 June 2026 19: 58
              Quote: Lewww
              I see that wherever you poke, there are some unknown Finno-Ugric languages ​​everywhere.
              No need to point a finger—just pick up a map and draw a line from northern Finland to the southern Urals. That will be the area of ​​residence of the Finno-Ugric peoples...
              Quote: Lewww
              There is no point in looking for something foreign where there is no trace of it.
              This is not foreign at all, but rather the most indigenous...
  10. +8
    3 June 2026 12: 13
    I still wonder who came up with the idea of ​​classifying the Bulgarians as Slavs, given that they were ruled by khans. And there's nothing Slavic about any Bulgarian.

    There's nothing surprising about this, and it's all well known. The Bulgarian state was ruled by the Khans until Boris, who converted to Christianity and assumed the title of prince. All church books were written in Slavic and with the then-new letters based on Slavic. The reason these letters were used was because the majority of the population spoke and understood Slavic. No one would translate the Bible into a language the population didn't understand. In other words, the local population of Bulgaria spoke and understood Slavic, not Old Bulgarian or Greek.
    1. +1
      3 June 2026 17: 02
      "...in the period under consideration, from the 7th to the 13th centuries, there was also such a people – the Bulgarians (also written as "Bulgars"). These Bulgarians lived then, and much earlier, and still live beyond the Danube, in the territory of modern-day Bulgaria. And they still remember their self-designation "Bulgars" and their Bulgarian language – one of the Slavic languages. And the Bulgarians do not consider the territories where, as we have established, the Tatars have lived since ancient times to be their historical homeland. So, in their theory, official historians have simply replaced the Tatar people of the ancient Volga region with the people (ethnic group) "Bulgars."
      As you can see, the name of the Bulgar Khanate, derived from the name of the city of Bulgar, was extended to its subjects as well, as a collective name “Bulgars”. The fact that it is consonant with the name of the distant Slavic people "Bulgarians" does not yet mean that "here instead of the Tatars lived the ancient Bulgarians, and there was their state."
  11. +3
    3 June 2026 15: 41
    I'm always surprised when people mention "Volga Bulgaria" in connection with the dozens of times rewritten and retold "chronicle" of Ibn Fadlan's journey to the Idel River. Did the great river really have a name, "Volga," in 922? Here's the title of A.P. Kovalevsky's book, "The Embassy of the Baghdad Caliph to the Tsar of the Volga Bulgarians in 921-922," Kharkov, 1956. No, it was called Idel then. And that's what the Tatars still call it today. As for the aforementioned chronicle, it wasn't actually written in the 10th century, as official anti-Tatar "scientific history" claims, but no earlier than the 13th century. It was created by the Persians, enemies of the Tatar-Horde, especially the Tatars of the Golden Horde. It was in Persia that a "copy" of these "Notes of Fadlan," made in the 13th century, was "discovered"—but the original, as is common in such cases, "has not survived." The Bulgarists who call themselves "Bulgars" are, as is well known, mostly ethnic Tatars. To put it bluntly, this is a product of the distortion of the history of the Tatar people by "historians" influenced by the policies of various eras. The ancestors of these representatives of the Tatar ethnic group apparently did not pass on their historical memory from generation to generation, as is the case with most Tatars, who have preserved it despite centuries of comprehensive ideological pressure.
    For the author, I will say in the words of N. Gogol: "Ignorance of the homeland is the foundation of our upbringing." THERE IS NO NEED TO REMADE US, THE TATARS, INTO OTHER PEOPLES AND CRUSH US.
    1. 0
      3 June 2026 20: 35
      Did the great river have a name "Volga" in 922?

      Volga Bulgars is not a self-designation of a people or ethnic group. It's a conventional historical marker, along with "Kievan Rus," coined based on Russian sources. For example, the Tale of Bygone Years, written even later than Ibn Fadlan's notes (which we know from Iykut's retelling). Our chroniclers divided the Bulgars into black and white.
      Well, the cherry on the cake, in 922, Bulgaria, according to a Cambridge anonymous document, was one of the 25 kingdoms subordinate to the Khazar Kaganate. The Volga was named Itel.
      However, we can go even further.
      Although we need to understand something else: self-identification and being called by others are not the same thing.
      A classic example is the Germans... well, they don't call themselves that and that's it, but they consider themselves "doch" - "the people"...
      1. +1
        4 June 2026 09: 14
        There are no ancient historical texts about these so-called "Bulgarians". I emphasize that I am not talking about the state of the Volga Bulgaria, but about nationality. Later, various sources appeared. As Iskhakov D.M. and Izmailov I.L. in "Ethnopolitical history of the Tatars (3rd-mid-16th centuries)" "No" Bulgarian "ethno-national identity and its active propagandists in the form of the mythical" abyz movement "were recorded in the sources." A. Frank also says that this historiography about the ancient "Bulgarians" was fueled by ancient legends and did not have a direct written tradition dating back to the historiography of medieval Bulgaria. Moreover, all this "Bulgarism" has a later (18-19th centuries) book origin.
  12. +1
    3 June 2026 16: 07
    Tatars and Tatars, what's so unclear about that? :)
  13. +3
    3 June 2026 21: 37
    The ethnogenesis of most peoples is a very complex process. Everything is intertwined, especially along the routes of the Great Migration. Therefore, when such questions arise centuries later (Tatars-Bulgars), they are largely politicized...
  14. 0
    4 June 2026 20: 15
    Yes, the article is certainly interesting. But, let's say, it's uninformative. In Western Siberia, there's a territory called the Baraba Lowland, or Baraba Steppes. This territory is inhabited by a people classified as Tatars. They are also called Siberian Tatars. However, this people's self-designation is Baraba. They also have their own language, Baraba. It differs somewhat from the language of the Kazan Tatars. Since they lack their own written language and textbooks, the language has significantly degenerated. Written references to some settlements from 1640 are known after the arrival of the Russians.