Kerensky's Offensive: A Test of the Break

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Kerensky's Offensive: A Test of the Break
Alexander Kerensky, Prime Minister of the Provisional Government, speaking to soldiers at the front


In the summer of 1917, the Provisional Government decided to test whether revolutionary freedom would galvanize soldiers into attack better than the old discipline. The offensive began with a breakthrough and ended near Tarnopol with the retreat of entire armies. The plan failed.



The previous article discussed Order No. 1, about how he legitimized the soldier's right to discuss events and participate in politics. By the summer of 1917, committees were operating almost everywhere at the front, meetings had become part of army life, and orders were increasingly being voted on. And this army was about to advance.

Why attack at all?


From a purely military perspective, the summer offensive was a dubious undertaking: the exhausted and disillusioned army was ill-prepared. But there was no trace of military calculation here—politics, and politics alone, drove the action.

The Provisional Government was bound by its obligations to its Entente allies. They expected Russia to take proactive action, capable of drawing off the German divisions. Abandoning the offensive would have meant the new government losing credibility abroad and at home. There was also a domestic calculation: a successful operation could unite the divided country, raise the government's authority, and prove that a free Russia was a better fighter than the Tsarist one. Historians still debate the extent to which the decision to attack was motivated by genuine political calculations and to which it was a forced concession to the Allies.


Alexander Kerensky's trip to the front in the summer of 1917

The Chief Persuader


Minister of War and Navy A.F. Kerensky placed great emphasis on the spoken word. In May and June 1917, he toured the front, addressing troops with speeches about freedom, revolution, and duty to the homeland. He possessed remarkable oratorical gifts; his speeches made a powerful impression, with soldiers swaying the minister in their arms and passing resolutions declaring their readiness to go into battle.

It was for this style that Kerensky earned the ironic nickname "the persuader-in-chief." The problem was that the rally's enthusiasm lasted only until the moment when it was time to emerge from the trenches and face fire. The mainstay of the offensive was not the agitated masses, but volunteer shock troops: "death battalions," assault squads recruited from those prepared to attack in earnest. Across the entire front, there were only a few dozen such units—a mere drop in the ocean compared to the army of millions.

Days of Breakthrough


Artillery Preparations on the Southwestern Front began on June 16, 1917 (Old Style). On June 18, the infantry advanced. The first days brought success: on the Lviv front, units of the 7th and 11th Armies broke through the enemy's defenses. Further south, the 8th Army, under the command of L. G. Kornilov, made particularly successful advances, occupying Galich and Kalush at the end of June.

But this success rested on a narrow foundation. The breakthrough was secured by artillery and shock troops, those very same volunteers. The massed infantry followed them reluctantly. Documents record a scene that would later become typical: the forward battalions would take their position, while the second echelons would hold meetings, debating whether to advance further, and often refusing. It wasn't so much the enemy that halted the advance as their own infantry: the advance faltered on its own; there was simply no one left to advance.


A mass rally of soldiers and civilians in Ternopil during World War I, presumably in June 1917.

Tarnopol failure


The turning point came in early July. On July 6, the German command launched a counterattack in the Tarnopol area. The attack had been prepared in advance and was powerful: the Germans had transferred fresh divisions from the Western Front and were attacking the already disorganized Russian units. But the enemy's strength wasn't the only issue. Regiments refused to take up positions, abandoned their trenches, and retreated without orders. In the General Headquarters reports of those days, this was repeated like a refrain: "units did not take up positions." The roads to the rear were blocked by soldiers who had deserted without permission, and in some places, they accompanied their retreat with looting and violence against the local population.

Sources vary in their assessments of the scale of this collapse: in some places, the retreat was relatively orderly, while in others, it degenerated into a panicked rout. But the overall picture leaves no doubt. In a matter of six weeks to two weeks, almost all of Galicia was lost, the region that had been recaptured in previous campaigns and at great cost in recent weeks. The retreat was covered by the same shock troops and Cossacks—the few remaining fighting men. Volunteers died covering the flight of those whom the government had recently hoped to inspire.


What was the bet worth?


The government essentially posed the question point-blank: would a free revolutionary army be able to carry out an offensive as effectively as a disciplinary army? At Tarnopol, the answer it received was not what it had hoped for.

To be fair, the question itself wasn't quite posed fairly. It was basically impossible to rebuild the motivation of an army exhausted by three years of war in two months of rallies and speeches, so the blame doesn't lie solely with the soldier who refused to go. But there's no other case. story She didn't give it, and I had to judge based on that.

The connection with the previous article is direct. Order No. 1 gave soldiers the right to discuss orders. At Tarnopol, a soldier exercised this right: he discussed the order to advance and refused to carry it out. In the spring, this seemed a reasonable concession to the mood of the troops. By July, it became clear what it was worth at the front. The army was unwilling to die for goals that remained alien to it.

The government responded harshly. On July 12, 1917, the death penalty, abolished nationwide back in March, was reinstated at the front. The same government that had abolished executions to applause in the spring reinstated them in the summer. The slogans of March were short-lived: circumstances dictated their own.

What will happen next


The military disaster on the Southwestern Front had far-reaching political consequences. Both society and the officer corps sharply increased their demand for a "strong hand," for someone capable of restoring order in the army and the country by force. The failure of the revolutionary army became the best argument in favor of dictatorship.

This man's name has already appeared in our history. General Kornilov, whose 8th Army advanced furthest during the June days, was appointed Supreme Commander-in-Chief on July 18. The next article in the series will discuss the results of Kornilov's attempt to restore order.
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  1. + 17
    9 June 2026 05: 17
    Exactly. This is especially true of today's witnesses to the Holy Roman Empire, who blame Lenin for the shameful Treaty of Brest-Litovsk. I wonder—who, exactly, were the Bolsheviks supposed to fight with, supposedly to the bitter end? Where would they get bayonets if the army not only refused to fight, but simply went home!

    Here, some funny guy with a straight face claimed that the Germans only had 500,000 men on the Eastern Front, meaning the peace treaty was supposedly criminal. Not just 500,000, but a whole 500,000! Lenin couldn't have mustered even half that number by early 1918. And I won't even mention the army's motivation and supplies...

    Moreover, for some reason they shamefully gloss over the fact that by that time the Rada of the Ukrainian People's Republic had already concluded a separate peace with the Germans! So, Ukraine not only withdrew from the war, but also allowed German troops to enter and pledged to supply Germany. How could they fight under such conditions? But, as always, Lenin is the only one to blame for everything. Oh yeah, and then there are the Polovtsians and Pechenegs...
    1. -4
      9 June 2026 08: 43
      Quote: paul3390
      I wonder—who, exactly, were the Bolsheviks supposed to fight with, supposedly to the bitter end? Where were they supposed to get bayonets if the army not only refused to fight, but simply went home?

      To be fair, the Bolsheviks did their utmost to achieve this. Should we be surprised by the results?
      1. +7
        9 June 2026 10: 06
        Come on! What, more than the Tsar himself? More than the liberal circles who overthrew him? Wow...
        1. 0
          9 June 2026 11: 12
          Quote: paul3390
          Come on! What, more than the Tsar himself? More than the liberal circles who overthrew him? Wow...

          Well, first of all, I didn’t give the assessment “no more, no more”, don’t attribute to me something I didn’t say.
          And secondly, do you deny the anti-war agitation carried out by the Bolsheviks among sailors and soldiers?
          Wow... lol
          1. +7
            9 June 2026 11: 18
            Excuse me, but are you now seriously claiming that 20 thousand Bolsheviks, half of whom either spent time in exile or in prison, or hid abroad, propagandized a 5 million-strong army and destroyed a huge empire? belay what
            1. +3
              9 June 2026 11: 44
              Quote: paul3390
              Excuse me, but are you now seriously claiming that 20 thousand Bolsheviks, half of whom either spent time in exile or in prison, or hid abroad, propagandized a 5 million-strong army and destroyed a huge empire? belay what

              Please stop twisting my words. It doesn't paint you in a good light.
              Let me reiterate my point: from the very first days of the war, the Bolshevik Party took a sharply anti-war stance and consciously and consistently pursued the goal of instilling in Russian soldiers the idea that the ongoing war was unjust and unnecessary. Do you deny this?
              The course of the war itself, the poor planning of individual operations, coupled with the chaos in the rear, greatly contributed to the spread of anti-war sentiment.
              But of all the political forces in 1914, only the Bolsheviks took an anti-war position.
              In 1917, as a result of first a bourgeois and then a socialist revolution, the Bolshevik Party came to power, where it was able to fully enjoy the fruits of its agitation, including when the soldiers no longer wanted to fight Germany at all.
              Simply put, be careful what you wish for. Sometimes it comes true. The Bolsheviks' wish to stop the imperialist war came true.
              So clearer?
              1. 0
                10 June 2026 08: 03
                Why wasn't there a single Bolshevik agitator (or other subversive elements) in the Russian army during the initial period of WWI, yet even then the army began to suffer defeats, like at Tannenberg? And later, the Tsarist government itself began to conscript Bolsheviks and other "Sicilians" into the army?
                So how did the Bolsheviks manage to convince the soldiers that this war was entirely imperialist, and not a "second patriotic war," as Tsarist propagandists tried to portray it? Perhaps these Bolsheviks' words were more truthful than those of their official opponents, from the soldiers' perspective?
                The Bolsheviks weren't the only or most effective agitators. Anarchists were more popular in the army.
                The Bolsheviks' propaganda corrupted not only the Russian army, but also those of Germany and Austria-Hungary, which would bear fruit. These empires would also experience their own revolutions. And without them, the outcome of the First World War might have been different.

                Well, it's good that it came true. It's a shame the pro-Soviet regime in Germany itself couldn't hold on. Otherwise, there wouldn't have been another massive massacre...
                1. +2
                  10 June 2026 08: 47
                  Quote: Illanatol
                  Why, in the initial period of WWI, there was not a single Bolshevik agitator (or other subversive elements) in the army of the Russian Empire, but even then the army began to suffer defeats, for example, Tannenberg?

                  At what point in my message did you see that I blame the Bolsheviks for the defeat of the Russian army?
                  1. 0
                    10 June 2026 13: 39
                    So, their propaganda didn't contribute to the military failures of the tsarist army? Perhaps it even boosted morale, fostered motivation, prevented mass desertion, and generally benefited the old regime?
                    However, the tsarist officials and generals themselves held a slightly different opinion.

                    And yes... who were they calling "defeatists" back then? Who were they accused of becoming spies of the Kaiser and the German General Staff? Siberian shamans or Baptists? laughing
              2. -1
                17 June 2026 19: 40
                "Revolution is an invention of the Jewish mind," as they say!
                Since the late 19th century, according to the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion," the false ideas of "Liberty, Equality, Fraternity" and "People's Power" (democracy) were introduced throughout the world, but especially in Russia. Factories were promised to be given to the workers, and land to the peasants.
                Then, a group of militants (Trotsky), through "sleeper cells" numbering in the hundreds of thousands, organized unrest, and the masses destroyed their own state with their own hands!!! Naturally, using the money of the World Financial Cabal.
                This is the "anatomy" of any revolution!
                1. 0
                  4 July 2026 04: 04
                  Quote: Genius Yo
                  Since the end of the 19th century, according to the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion," the false ideas of "Liberty, Equality, Fraternity" were introduced throughout the world, but especially in Russia.
            2. +4
              9 June 2026 13: 34
              Quote: paul3390
              Excuse me, but are you now seriously claiming that 20 thousand Bolsheviks, half of whom either spent time in exile or in prison, or hid abroad, propagandized a 5 million-strong army and destroyed a huge empire? belay what

              Well, the Bolsheviks simply had very high-quality software and practically unlimited internet. laughing laughing laughing
            3. +3
              9 June 2026 23: 50
              as if there were 20 thousand Bolsheviks

              20—that was at the beginning of the year. But the February Revolution paved the way. In 1917, the party grew rapidly. By the summer of 1917, it had 240 members, a formidable force for the time.
          2. 0
            9 June 2026 13: 32
            Quote: Trapper7
            And secondly, do you deny the anti-war agitation carried out by the Bolsheviks among sailors and soldiers?
            What about evidence? Or did anyone need to explain the fact that the entire regular army was wiped out in the first year, for no reason, when no one in the troops witnessed it themselves?
          3. 0
            4 July 2026 04: 10
            Quote: Trapper7
            Do you deny the anti-war agitation carried out by the Bolsheviks among sailors and soldiers?
            To be fair, the Bolsheviks conducted anti-war propaganda among soldiers and workers in all countries at war. Moreover, given that almost all Bolsheviks were in exile, and the population in Europe was almost universally literate, this propaganda was far more effective in European countries.
      2. +3
        9 June 2026 11: 44
        There was a line of people waiting for them, and the Bolsheviks only got to the tipping point when the builders of the parliamentary monarchy and other scumbags shit themselves and a power vacuum was created.
      3. -2
        9 June 2026 13: 29
        Quote: Trapper7
        To be fair, the Bolsheviks did their utmost to achieve this. Should we be surprised by the results?
        Could you be more specific? What? Who? Where? Whom? And when? Otherwise, it's just empty words and a reference to the memory of those who weren't involved...
        1. +5
          9 June 2026 16: 46
          Quote: Fitter65
          Could you be more specific? What? Who? Where? Whom? And when? Otherwise, it's just empty words and a reference to the memory of those who weren't involved...

          Quote: Fitter65
          What about the evidence?

          I don’t know about you, but I personally studied using Soviet textbooks and read Soviet books as a child (very good ones, by the way) - and I also dreamed of being some kind of underground activist and hiding from the Tsarist secret police and gendarmes.
          And everything I'm writing about now is no secret to anyone raised on Soviet literature—they were proud of it! After all, imperialist war is evil, and therefore fighting it is good.
          Therefore, your questions personally cause me nothing but bewilderment.
      4. +4
        9 June 2026 13: 43
        Quote: Trapper7
        To be fair, the Bolsheviks made every effort to achieve this.

        All twenty thousand Bolsheviks? wink
        Here, we should rather look to the Socialist Revolutionaries. And to the land issue: While we're shedding blood here, they're dividing up the land in the rear. Without us!!! If we're late for the division, we'll end up with wasteland and strip farming.
        1. +5
          9 June 2026 16: 48
          Quote: Alexey RA
          All twenty thousand Bolsheviks?

          So I'm not saying they were the ones who demoralized the entire army. But that's what they were aiming for, and that's exactly what they got: a completely demoralized mass of soldiers unwilling to fight. The fact that the circumstances themselves contributed to this—well, that was just luck. It happens.
          As they say, what we fought for. Isn't it? feel
      5. -3
        10 June 2026 08: 06
        Do you think it was wrong?
        To be honest, how much blood would you personally have been willing to shed back then? For the Bosphorus and Dardanelles or to save Paris from those nasty Boches? I suspect you wouldn't have wanted to go into the trenches yourself... after all, you're probably not speaking from the trenches now.
        1. +4
          10 June 2026 08: 52
          Quote: Illanatol
          Do you think it was wrong?

          Yes, I think so.
          Quote: Illanatol
          To be honest, how much of your blood would you personally be willing to shed?

          Like any normal person - preferably not at all.
          Quote: Illanatol
          For the sake of the Bosphorus and the Dardanelles or to save Paris from the nasty Boches?

          Do you really not understand the need for allies? If so, well, that's your right. Stalin would not have agreed with you.
          And you also believe that we don't need B&D? Even in light of the events of recent years?
          Quote: Illanatol
          I suspect you wouldn't want to go into the trenches yourself...

          I didn't want to and I don't want to. You're right.
          Quote: Illanatol
          After all, even now, you are most likely not speaking from the trenches.

          Just like you.
          1. -4
            10 June 2026 13: 08
            Quote: Trapper7
            Yes, I think so.

            Quote: Trapper7
            Like any normal person - preferably not at all.


            So, it was wrong for Russian soldiers to reason like normal people? You yourself don't want to shed blood for the interests of capitalists, but you blame others for not wanting to become minced meat for the same thing? However, you're not being very consistent... laughing

            Quote: Trapper7
            Do you really not understand the need for allies? If so, well, that's your right. Stalin would not have agreed with you.


            I don't understand, and I don't think it's right, that our people then, as before, shed their blood for the interests of others, for the interests of both homegrown bourgeois and foreign ones. The Russian people didn't need this war.
            And yes... you're completely screwed about Stalin. Stalin was a Bolshevik and worked alongside Lenin in the same direction—organizing a socialist revolution.

            Quote: Trapper7
            I didn't want to and I don't want to. You're right.


            So why do you blame others for not wanting to rot in the trenches for someone else's interests, swallow mustard gas, and develop gangrene? Maybe you shouldn't get carried away with double standards? Or do you consider yourself some kind of aristocrat, and the soldiers of that time despicable rabble?
            1. +4
              10 June 2026 17: 35
              Quote: Illanatol
              So why do you blame others for not wanting to rot in the trenches for someone else's interests, swallow mustard gas, and develop gangrene? Maybe you shouldn't get carried away with double standards? Or do you consider yourself some kind of aristocrat, and the soldiers of that time despicable rabble?

              Just because I don't want to doesn't mean I won't if I'm called up for service. I'm prepared for it, but I'm not rushing into it. I hope I don't need to explain this approach.
              The Russian people didn't need this war at all.

              No nation ever needs war. Except for the most hardened thugs. But if one is declared on you, then you have no choice but to "pick up a rifle and head to the front."
              Stalin was a Bolshevik and worked together with Lenin in the same direction - organizing a socialist revolution.

              And when he'd finished working, he started demanding that Turkey hand over the Straits to him (or rather, the USSR)... I wonder why? He must have gotten old and started to go crazy.
              Or do you consider yourself some kind of aristocrat, and the soldiers of that time - despicable rabble?

              There is no need to project your complexes onto everyone.
              1. 0
                5 July 2026 13: 34
                Yes, Stalin was a revolutionary and together with Lenin he organized the Socialist Revolution!
                But when he realized that “revolution is an invention of the Jewish mind” and leads to the destruction of states by the hands of their own citizens, he began to suppress the Bolshevik revolutionaries!!!
                Unfortunately, each Bolshevik slandered many innocent citizens, and that is how the so-called "Stalinist repressions" came about.
                By the way, Joseph Vissarionovich foresaw that his name would be slandered, but he managed to raise the country and defeated fascism in the Patriotic War!!!
                And yet the Jewish communists managed to poison him and then destroy the USSR...
    2. +3
      9 June 2026 12: 54
      We can also recall the White General Denikin, who shouted that the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk was a disgrace! But he himself was in no hurry to fight the Germans. In the summer of 1918, Denikin's Volunteer Army fortified itself in the Kuban region, while German garrisons were stationed very close by—in Rostov, Taganrog, and Crimea. But for some reason, I didn't feel like it. laughing laughing But I really wanted to receive German weapons from Ataman Krasnov. As the Christians say, "Judge not by words, judge by deeds." The Germans also had orders not to touch the Whites. But the only ones who fought the Germans in 18 were their "Kaiser's spies," the Reds.
      Stage 1. February 1918: Operation Faustschlag and the birth of the Red Army
      Battles near Pskov and Narva: On the approaches to Pskov and Narva, February 23–25, the first combat clashes between the young Red Army units and the advancing German units took place. The Red Army was unable to stop the regular German army and retreated (Pskov and Narva were surrendered), but these battles demonstrated the Bolsheviks' readiness to defend St. Petersburg. It was in memory of these turbulent days of mobilization that February 23 later became Red Army Day (now Defender of the Fatherland Day).
      Stage 2. Spring-summer 1918: War in the South of Russia and Ukraine
      The bloodiest battles between the Reds and the Germans took place here: Defense of Kharkov and Donbass: Soviet units under the command of Klement Voroshilov and Nikolai Rudnev fought heavy rearguard actions against the advancing Kaiser's Wehrmacht in the spring of 1918, attempting to evacuate the Donbass factories. Battle for Rostov-on-Don: In May 1918, regular German troops stormed Rostov. The city was defended exclusively by Red units (while the White generals, as discussed above, sat in the Kuban steppes and awaited German weapons). Tragedy of the "Red Landing" (June 1918): The Bolsheviks attempted to recapture occupied Taganrog from the Germans. A Red landing force (approximately 10 fighters) landed on the coast of the Sea of ​​Azov. German regular units, supported by artillery, surrounded and completely routed the paratroopers. More than 2 surviving Red Army soldiers were captured and executed on the spot by the Germans.
      Stage 3. Late 1918: Expulsion of the Germans
      In November 1918, a revolution broke out in Germany, the Kaiser fled, and World War I ended. Lenin immediately declared the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk null and void. The German army in the occupied territories began to rapidly disintegrate, with soldiers forming their own "soldier committees" and eager to go home.
      Red Army counteroffensive: The Red Army immediately launched an offensive along the entire perimeter of the retreating German forces. The Red Army fought to drive the remaining German garrisons out of Pskov, Narva, Minsk, Vilnius, and Riga.
      In some places, the German command tried to resist before leaving or handed over the cities to local national armies (Estonians, Latvians, Petliura's Ukrainians), which is why the Reds had to break through the defense by force.
      While the White press accused the Bolsheviks of being "German spies," it was the Red Army that was the only force that actually fought against the German regular army on the territory of the former Russian Empire in 1918.
  2. +6
    9 June 2026 05: 25
    In both world wars, the Germans and their allies moved troops from west to east calmly and unhindered. I don't recall a single instance where the Germans feared a Western attack during these times.
    1. +7
      9 June 2026 08: 41
      Quote: Yuras_Belarus
      In both world wars, the Germans and their allies moved troops from west to east calmly and unhindered. I don't recall a single instance where the Germans feared a Western attack during these times.

      If I'm not mistaken, the Entente decided on a spring offensive against Germany, but Russia, due to well-known events, did not launch an offensive. The Allies, however, did, and this offensive became known as the "Nivelle Massacre." The losses suffered and Russia's withdrawal from the war forced the Allies to abandon active operations altogether until 1918.
      So by July 1917 the Germans really had nothing to fear - the Anglo-Franks had washed their faces in blood the day before without any success.
      I personally consider the summer offensive of the Russian army to be a gamble or even outright treason, launched with the aim of destroying the last combat-ready units.
      1. +3
        9 June 2026 13: 45
        Quote: Trapper7
        If I am not mistaken, the Entente decided to launch a spring offensive against Germany, but Russia, due to well-known events, did not go on the offensive.

        Although the offensive on the Eastern Front was agreed upon in principle in February 1917 at a meeting in Petrograd and included in the plans for the 1917 campaign, only the timing was discussed: the Allies demanded an offensive in the spring, Russia demanded a postponement until the summer.
    2. +4
      9 June 2026 10: 23
      Quote: Yuras_Belarus
      I don’t recall any instance where the Germans were afraid of an attack from the West at these moments.

      However, such attacks occurred regularly during WWI.
      The situation in WWII is more complex. France had already been in place since 1940, and there was no full-fledged front in the West until the Normandy landings.
      1. 0
        12 June 2026 14: 12
        In World War II, only Rommel and his DAK suffered from minimal supplies and the transfer of reserves to the Eastern Front, not to North Africa.
        But many argue that it was the heroism of the Grand Fleet, RAF and Australian-Indian infantry in Egypt, rather than the fighting on the Eastern Front, that contributed to this.
    3. 0
      9 June 2026 13: 26
      Quote: Yuras_Belarus
      I don’t recall any instance where the Germans were afraid of an attack from the West at these moments.

      From the West - NEVER! But from the East, to save this Zavad...
  3. +1
    9 June 2026 09: 38
    The army, having been restored to the dignity of a citizen, did not want to die for goals that remained alien to it.

    Wow, what interesting words from the author, I would say ambiguous. laughing
  4. -1
    9 June 2026 10: 25
    France and Britain were bleeding on the Western Front
    I'll cry now crying
    1. +5
      9 June 2026 14: 17
      Quote: Lewww
      I'll cry now crying

      Yeah... I remember, a year before that, the French ambassador complained that too little Russian blood was being shed: the ignorant and unconscious Russian masses had to die in numbers four times greater than the talented and refined French.
      Saturday, April 1st.
      I visited Sturmer on a matter concerning his ministry.
      (…)
      ...I prove with figures that Russia could have done three or four times more for the war; France, meanwhile, is bleeding to death.
      “But we lost up to a million people on the battlefield,” he exclaims.
      — In that case, France lost four times more than Russia.
      - In what way?
      "The calculation is very simple. Russia has a population of 180 million, and France has 40 million. To equalize the losses, your losses would need to be four and a half times greater than ours. If I'm not mistaken, our losses currently stand at 800.000 people... And by that, I'm only referring to the numerical aspect of the losses..."
      (…)
      I would like to explain to him that, when counting the losses of both allies, the center of gravity is not in the numbers, but in something else entirely. In terms of culture and development, the French and Russians are not on the same level. Russia is one of the most backward countries in the world: out of 180 million inhabitants, 150 million are illiterate. Compare our army with this ignorant and unconscious mass: all our soldiers are educated; in the forefront fight young forces, distinguished in art and science, talented and refined people; they are the cream and flower of humanity. From this point of view, our losses are more painful than Russian losses.

      © Maurice Paléologue. Tsarist Russia on the Eve of the Revolution
      1. +5
        9 June 2026 15: 52
        And no one punched the ambassador in the face...
  5. -1
    9 June 2026 13: 24
    to prove that free Russia fights better than the tsarist one.
    After October 1917, free Russia proved that it fought better than the Tsarist one.
    1. +3
      9 June 2026 16: 56
      Quote: Fitter65
      After October 1917, free Russia proved that it fought better than the tsarist one.

      Let's put it this way - not right away, not right away.
    2. +1
      9 June 2026 23: 56
      What do you mean? Signed the Brest-Litovsk Peace Treaty and waited for the Allies to defeat the Germans and the Treaty of Versailles, which the Brest-Litovsk Peace Treaty annulled?
      1. +1
        10 June 2026 00: 17
        Quote from solar
        What do you mean? Signed the Brest-Litovsk Peace Treaty and waited for the Allies to defeat the Germans and the Treaty of Versailles, which the Brest-Litovsk Peace Treaty annulled?

        And did Soviet Russia have an army at the time of the Brest Peace Treaty?
        1. 0
          10 June 2026 08: 16
          No, it didn't. The Communists destroyed it with their own hands. But that's no reason to be proud of the Brest-Litovsk Peace Treaty or to hide the fact that the Allies saved us from its shameful terms.
          1. 0
            10 June 2026 13: 51
            There was no army, but the “Red Guard”, its embryo, already existed.

            Nonsense. It was the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk and Bolshevik agitation (among German and Austro-Hungarian soldiers) that led to these powers' ultimate defeat. It was the growth of the revolutionary movement in these countries, as a result of the October Revolution, that brought these empires to their knees. Otherwise, the Entente would have had no chance, not victory over Germany and Austria-Hungary. They lacked the guts to defeat the Central Powers by conventional military means, to take Berlin and Vienna.
            So it was Lenin and the Bolsheviks who helped the Allies achieve victory; otherwise, it would have been a draw. The German soldiers also didn't want to fight, hence the defeat. Otherwise, there would have been no defeat. How the Germans can fight to the last when motivated was demonstrated in World War II. But there was no motivation in 1918.
            History will continue to demonstrate that a powerful state can collapse even without major defeats on the battlefield, if its citizens (or subjects) lose their motivation to defend it. Well, you get the idea...
            1. +2
              10 June 2026 14: 29
              Nonsense. It was the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk and Bolshevik agitation (among German and Austro-Hungarian soldiers) that led to the final defeat of these powers.

              Quite the opposite. The Treaty of Brest-Litovsk led to a resurgence in the ranks of the German army, and supplies improved thanks to resources captured in Ukraine.
              The Germans were feeling a surge of enthusiasm. There was no talk of revolution. But then problems began.
              The Entente counteroffensive in August 1918 finally extinguished any hopes for a victorious, or even honorable, end to the war. This sense of hopelessness, in turn, demotivated the soldiers and fueled a desire for peace at any cost. At the same time, irritation grew against the regime that had dragged Germany into a disastrous war and then lost it.

              The immediate causes of the military defeat, according to G. Binshtok, were the numerical superiority of the enemy, which by July 1918 had already reached a ratio of five to three (in connection with the entry of the United States into the war in 1917), the enormous superiority of its weapons, mainly the abundance of shells of American-English artillery

              On September 29, the German Army High Command informed Kaiser Wilhelm II and Imperial Chancellor Count Georg von Hertling, who were at headquarters in Spa, Belgium, that Germany's military situation was hopeless. Quartermaster General Erich Ludendorff, apparently fearing disaster, declared that he could not guarantee that the front would hold for even another 24 hours and demanded an immediate ceasefire from the Entente. He also recommended accepting US President Woodrow Wilson's basic conditions (the "Fourteen Points") and forming a democratically-based government for the German Empire, in the hopes of securing better peace terms.

              On October 4, the new German government, which included representatives of parliamentary majority parties, including the Social Democrats, overruled its European opponents and approached US President Wilson with a proposal to begin peace negotiations based on the Fourteen Points. This open admission, if not of defeat, then of the impossibility of victory, completely demoralized the German army and home front.

              The Kiel Uprising arose because the sailors already understood perfectly well the impossibility of victory, yet they were being sent on a suicidal voyage. These were entirely objective reasons that led to the attempted revolution. It wasn't because Clara Zetkin and Rosa Luxemburg, who invented the Russian holiday, were promoting it. They were simply trying to take advantage of the situation. And Lenin certainly had nothing to do with it.
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                10 June 2026 15: 51
                Quote from solar
                The Kiel rebellion occurred because the sailors already understood perfectly well the impossibility of victory, and they were trying to send them on a suicidal raid.

                Here in another thread, I wrote the same thing to a user, saying that the German sailors didn't want to become bargaining chips in a war they'd already lost. They argued that honor and oaths were non-negotiable.
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                  10 June 2026 15: 57
                  As it turns out, common sense isn't alien to the Germans either, at least not their sailors. When they saw that the leadership was already trying to make peace, they came to the right conclusion.
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                11 June 2026 08: 51
                Liberal myths. The rise of the revolutionary movement in Germany and the AVI is a direct consequence of the revolutionaries' success in Russia. "The Russian comrades managed to seize power—that means we can too!"

                You're contradicting yourself. Did the Brest-Litovsk Treaty and its benefits improve Germany's position?
                But this means that BEFORE the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk, the Entente enjoyed an even more significant advantage. Why didn't the Entente win then, or even achieve any obvious successes, or even (at that time) succeed in bringing the war to German territory? In short, it's an extremely unconvincing and obvious attempt to put the cart before the horse. On the one hand, "the Germans experienced a surge of enthusiasm," while on the other, "a sense of hopelessness, in turn, demotivated the soldiers and generated a desire for peace at any cost. At the same time, irritation grew against the regime that had dragged Germany into a disastrous war and then lost it."

                Pluralism in one head is called schizophrenia! laughing
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                  11 June 2026 09: 07
                  Do you know the dates?
                  The Brest Peace Treaty is a separate peace treaty, signed March 3, 1918 in Brest-Litovsk between Soviet Russia and the countries of the Quadruple Alliance

                  Entente counteroffensive in August 1918 of the year finally buried all hopes for the possibility of a victorious or even simply dignified end to the war.
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                    12 June 2026 14: 18
                    So what? The Treaty of Brest-Litovsk and its consequences disintegrated the German army. Therefore, the Entente's military operations became more successful.

                    If there had been no Brest Peace, no October Revolution in Russia, no Bolshevik rise to power, then the German (and Austrian) army would have retained its combat capability and Germany would have had to be defeated in the "classical" way: by conquering its territories and taking Berlin by storm.
                    The Germans demonstrated their ability to defend their Fatherland during World War II. Even if the Entente had taken the German capital by storm or siege, it would have been much later and with far greater bloodshed.
                    Of course, mounting a counterattack against a morally corrupted army is much easier. But the Entente leaders themselves feared revolutionary contagion, so in WWI, unlike in World War II, the victorious countries did not leave their garrisons and military bases on the territory of the defeated country. Otherwise, the "plague of Bolshevism" could have spread to their countries as well.
                    And when these "victors" decided to stage an intervention in Soviet Russia, they didn't stay long either. They left, frightened not by Budyonny's cavalry or any tachankas, but by Bolshevik agitation. Especially since in some places, proletarian protests had already begun with slogans like "Hands off Soviet Russia!"

                    Communist propaganda back then was a true weapon of mass destruction. It was precisely this weapon that helped save our country from the imperialist predators who were already preparing to seize our territories. Much the same way they tried to do after the collapse of the USSR (and more successfully).
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                      13 June 2026 07: 43
                      So what? The Brest-Litovsk Treaty and its consequences disintegrated the German army.

                      On the contrary, they inspired me.
                      That is why the Entente's military operations became more successful.

                      The United States entered the war with renewed vigor. There's no defense against a crowbar.
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              11 June 2026 07: 11
              Quote: Illanatol
              Otherwise, the Entente would have had no idea what he was doing, and not a victory over Germany and the AVI.

              In 1918, the Entente's military and economic superiority over Germany became overwhelming. What are you talking about? Toward the end of the war, Germany could no longer afford to replace worn-out artillery barrels in a timely manner, which is why the shell dispersion was so dismal. Well, that's just one of those dreadful things that accumulated on the front lines.
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                11 June 2026 08: 41
                Fairy tales. How did this "overwhelming superiority" manifest itself? How many German cities and fortresses did the Entente armies manage to capture? The guns are worn out, yes. But the enemy was in perfect shape... so much so that they had to drive savages from the colonies to the front; soldiers were already in short supply. The savage Zouaves and others weren't very good at fighting, but they excelled at lawlessness and looting. And the French, even after their victory, were so psychologically traumatized that it would reverberate even in the next world war.
                To confidently and successfully conduct offensive operations, with equal combat capability and equipment, you need a three-fold superiority in forces. The Entente didn't have such a superiority. And what it did have wasn't enough. Oh, yes, the United States entered the war. But the US ground force, then and now, is subpar. Even against the second-rate Spanish colonial forces, the Yankees didn't do very well (look at the statistics and casualty ratio in that conflict).
                From a purely military standpoint, Germany should have gained an advantage after the Brest-Litovsk Treaty. There was no longer a two-front war; the Eastern Front had ceased to exist. Dozens of divisions could be transferred from east to west. And these weren't greenhorns like the Yankees, but experienced veterans. Germany gained additional territory with resources and even industry. Millions more workers. New divisions could be formed from the local population. The food problem was solved. There was plenty of fertile land, a multitude of farmers, and requisitions could be carried out from the population. Plus, reparations would allow Germany to purchase essentials from neutrals (Switzerland, for example) in the short term. In short, it was a complete bonus. But within a few months, there would be complete collapse! The cause was the "plague of Bolshevism." The divisions of the Eastern Front were infected with anti-war and anti-bourgeois sentiment. These divisions carried the revolutionary contagion to the Western Front, and it too began to disintegrate at an accelerated pace. The German authorities appealed to their opponents for an armistice. It would seem that if the enemy asks for an armistice, they're admitting that things are bad. So, you have to refuse and press such an enemy to the limit. But the Entente powers agree. Why? Because they fear their armies will also be infected with the plague of revolution. Germany gets a respite. But they fail to suppress Bolshevism in their own army. The soldiers experience how good peace is, without the risk of being minced meat, and after the armistice ends, they refuse to fight at all. And that's it... the Versailles armistice turns into capitulation. Bobik is finally dead...
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                  11 June 2026 09: 01
                  Quote: Illanatol
                  From a purely military standpoint, Germany should have gained an advantage after the Brest-Litovsk Treaty. The war on two fronts was no longer a battle; the Eastern Front had ceased to exist. Dozens of divisions could be transferred from east to west.

                  Dear Anatoly, please stop.
                  Germany, in fact, followed your advice and launched that very offensive (Germany's final offensive of WWI)—and even managed to inflict a formal defeat on the Entente forces. And there were no troops from the Eastern Front "decayed by the plague of Bolshevism" there; instead, there were those very same seasoned veterans, extremely inspired by their victory over Russia and eager for a swift victory for their country.
                  Well, you should at least know a little history before writing comments.
                  The Germans' problems began after this—when it became clear that victory was impossible under the current conditions, but that they could die as much as they wanted. And the catalyst, yes, was the fleet, which simply refused to commit suicide. And then the sailors, and then the soldiers, suddenly became interested in the "ideas of Bolshevism." Until the autumn of 1918, there were no major discipline problems in the Wehrmacht.
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                    11 June 2026 14: 13
                    No. It was precisely these "seasoned veterans" who were corrupted by anti-war propaganda. It seems you learned history from propaganda. It doesn't take many propagandists to corrupt someone if their words resonate and are believed.

                    Why did it become clear that victory was impossible? It wasn't clear before, during the war on two fronts, but after Russia's de facto defeat and all the perks, it suddenly became clear? On what basis? After all, Germany's (and AVI's) position had objectively improved.
                    That dying was possible was clear back in 1914; there's no need to dismiss the soldiers as completely stupid. It's just that the soldiers began to clearly understand that they were merely cannon fodder for their capitalists and no longer wanted to die for them... just like the Russians. This is precisely the fruit of propaganda.
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                      11 June 2026 17: 13
                      Quote: Illanatol
                      And why did it become clear that it was impossible to win?

                      Because the offensive, while formally successful, had in fact failed. Because the United States had entered the war in Russia's stead with fresh divisions, while Germany hadn't seen anything new. Because the Entente had begun to put real pressure on the Germans, forcing them to shorten the front—not for the best of reasons. And on the basis of all this lay the understanding of the inevitability of defeat. This understanding had become tangible already in the winter of 1916—on the eve of the February Revolution. Read Ludendorff's memoirs—he directly called on the Kaiser to make peace then and there, otherwise it would be the end. The Russian Revolution simply restored hope to the German generals. But the Russian army, even demoralized in 1917, continued to stand firm, and this factor couldn't be ignored. So the Germans floundered and lost an entire year—and then the Yankees arrived.
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                        12 June 2026 13: 59
                        The offensive failed? How many times had offensives failed on both sides before—and so what? After this failure, how much German territory did the Entente armies occupy? Zero. They were unable to carry the war into Germany, and the military operations continued on French territory.
                        In WWII, the war with Germany had to be ended on the steps of the Reichstag. The USSR didn't lose, even though the Germans were almost at Moscow's door. In short, as long as the people are united with the government, as long as they are in solidarity with it and ready to fight to the end, it's difficult to defeat them. You don't just need to suppress them; you need to completely deprive them of any ability to resist, as was done with the Germans in WW1. But in WWI—no! The ability to resist was there. But the motivation and desire to fight—they were lacking.
                        The revolutionary changes in the masses' consciousness led not only to military defeat. They led to a fundamental transformation of the foundations of German social life. Even the Kaiser himself understood this perfectly well. He resigned the throne, abdicated. Himself. No one conspired, no one pressured him, like our Nicholas. He resigned of his own accord. And from then on, Germany became a republic, bidding farewell to the monarchy forever. This was even more dramatic than in Russia. Even after the German Bolsheviks had collapsed, those who defeated them didn't even try to restore the monarchy to Germany. That's how dramatically everything had changed.
                        German generals... what hope? For them, the world had turned upside down, the end of the world had arrived! A German officer wouldn't even give orders directly to his privates. He'd call a sergeant major and pass them on. In the eyes of a German officer, a private was simply a completely obedient, two-legged brute. And suddenly these two-legged brutes began openly ignoring orders, simply refusing to fight. After the armistice, the army refused to return to the trenches; there was mass desertion and insubordination. That's all.

                        We're well aware of the example of even a seemingly powerful state suffering catastrophe and collapsing simply because the people, even just the socially active portion of them, including the army, lose trust in the government and cease serving it faithfully—an example we know from personal experience. Let's recall how the USSR collapsed. It collapsed only because it lost the war for the minds of its people. And the last attempt to save the USSR failed only because no one supported the State Emergency Committee.

                        Well, the fresh US divisions are a minor factor. The Yankees are mediocre fighters, except against the Indians, and even they sometimes failed. But of course, admitting that communist ideology and propaganda played such a significant role in that war is impossible for most historians, those capitalist whores. They'll come up with anything to hide it; it's too embarrassing to admit.
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                  11 June 2026 11: 05
                  How rosy things seemed for Germany, in your opinion. It turned out that if they'd just blown their top, the Western Front would have collapsed. But something didn't work out. War weariness is a mutual process. The British and French imported auxiliary units, among other things, to save their soldiers; the natives weren't so much of a pity. If the Germans had the opportunity, they would have done the same. Their adversaries weren't doing well, but their supplies were much better. And as for artillery, this is the testimony of the German generals themselves. In 1918, the Entente began to outnumber the German artillery in quantity and quality.
                  And the exit of Soviet Russia from the war did not mean for the Germans to completely transfer almost all divisions to the West for two main reasons:
                  1) The newly occupied territories must be controlled
                  2) The Bolsheviks' hold on power is shaky, and there's no guarantee they can hold on. This means there's no guarantee Russia won't re-enter the war and attack from the rear (yes, it's unlikely, but anything could happen).
                  Therefore, the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk did not significantly strengthen Germany on the Western Front. It only improved the situation somewhat.
                  As for the US army, it's below the baseboard... Aren't you tired of making the same mistake over and over again - throwing hats at everyone?
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                    11 June 2026 14: 27
                    No, it's not rosy. And precisely because the systemic weapon—the "plague of Bolshevism"—came into play. Any objective factors (good weapons, tactics, training, supplies) can go to waste if the subjective factor—fighting spirit and motivation—fails. It's people, not weapons or money, who fight. If people don't want to fight, victory is out of the question. The Germans no longer wanted to fight—it was all over for them.

                    The natives... propaganda didn't work on them, so they were used. Although they fought poorly.
                    The testimony of German generals is worthless. Those who have been defeated will invent anything to justify their failures and defeats. Most Germans, then and now, believe that Germany lost that year solely because of stabs in the back from its "commies."

                    Controlling territories doesn't require the same force as a large-scale offensive. Not all, but some German divisions were sent to the Western Front. Quite sufficient for infection...

                    Russia was doomed to civil war in any case, especially since separatism was already beginning to rear its head (which the Germans and Austrians were helping in Ukraine).

                    Yes, the US ground forces are below par. The Yankees themselves admit it. That's why they used marines and paratroopers in local conflicts. In Afghanistan, they even used private military companies. Well, fighting on the ground isn't their thing. Bombing Papuans is fine. But on the ground... well, the Afghan Taliban clearly demonstrated that.
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              4 July 2026 04: 16
              Quote: Illanatol
              The Brest-Litovsk Peace Treaty and the Bolshevik agitation (among the soldiers of Germany and Austria-Hungary) led these powers to their final defeat.
              Exactly!
              "Ludendorff cites reports from generals and officers about the "Bolshevik infection" in the troops.
              Open rebellions occurred in Graudenz and Juwerloo.
              In Düsseldorf, soldiers distributed Bolshevik leaflets.


              The commander of the military district, Allenstein, reported directly to Hindenburg:
              "The soldiers who returned from Russian captivity, including non-commissioned officers, as a result of the revolution they had experienced, lost all discipline and brought with them so many Bolshevik ideas that they are having a disastrous influence on their comrades."

              And finally:

              "Now, with the benefit of hindsight, I can say that our defeat clearly began with the Russian Revolution."
              E. Ludendorff. My Memories of the War of 1914-1918, Moscow, 1924, Vol. 2, pp. 206, 296."
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            10 June 2026 14: 31
            Quote from solar
            There was no such thing. The communists destroyed it with their own hands.

            So, it wasn't Tsar-autocrat Nicholas II who destroyed the regular army in brutal frontal assaults during the first year of the war. But it turns out the Communists destroyed it... And what kind of Communists were they back then, the Communists—what kind of Communists—were there?
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              10 June 2026 15: 01
              This means that it was not the Tsar-autocrat Nicholas II who destroyed the regular army in stupid frontal attacks during the first year of the war.

              No one denies the undeniable contribution of the last (or penultimate, depending on how you count) Russian tsar to the collapse of the empire. But even the Leninist communists at that time acted on the principle of "the worse, the better," striving for a "revolutionary situation."
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                10 June 2026 15: 21
                Quote from solar
                But even the Leninist communists at that time acted according to the principle “The worse, the better,” achieving a “revolutionary situation.”

                And how many Leninist communists were there in the Russian Empire at that time? After all, according to the genre, they were all supposedly abroad at the time... And the revolutionary situation organized and expanded on its own without them.
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                  10 June 2026 15: 52
                  They returned from abroad and greatly increased in size under Lenin's friend Kerensky.
                  Lenin himself had nothing to do with the February Revolution and the overthrow of the Tsar, it's true. He learned about it himself from newspapers in Zurich and called it a conspiracy. At the time, he advocated Russia's defeat in the war and didn't believe in any revolution in the foreseeable future.
                  Lenin, who knew the weakness of the underground revolutionary forces in the capital, assessed the revolution that took place soon after as the result of a “conspiracy of Anglo-French imperialists”[99].

                  But he found allies who shared his aspirations.
                  Lenin's agitation for Russia's defeat attracted the attention of the German authorities, who needed to force Russia to sign a separate peace to win the First World War.[95] In April 1917, the German authorities, with the assistance of Fritz Platten, organized Lenin's departure by train from Switzerland through Germany with 35 of his party comrades, provided him with money, and prepared the ground in the press for organizing anti-war sentiments in Russia through the Bolsheviks.[95]

                  Lenin took active action, taking advantage of the weakness of the Russian authorities at the time. The party, financed by Germans, grew by leaps and bounds—more than tenfold in 1917, becoming a formidable force. By the summer of 1917, it had already reached 240,000 members and was seriously engaged in anti-war agitation, destabilizing the army. By the fall, it had grown even larger, undermining both the army and the Russian state as much as possible. And, characteristically, they did. Fortunately, despite the communists' activities, the Allies ultimately won the war.
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                    10 June 2026 23: 47
                    Quote from solar
                    They returned from abroad and greatly increased in size under Lenin's friend Kerensky.

                    Oh, just as Kerensky had already become Lenin’s friend, so soon he would become a comrade in the party.
                    Quote from solar
                    The party, financed by German money, grew by leaps and bounds.

                    Or perhaps into English? There's no documentation to support this, but who cares.
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                      11 June 2026 00: 08
                      Oh, how Kerensky turned out to be Lenin's friend

                      Didn't know? The Kerensky and Ulyanov families were very close. Lenin's father was Kerensky's father's boss. Lenin attended the gymnasium where Kerensky's father was the headmaster. Kerensky himself was, of course, noticeably younger than Lenin.
                      True, there are no documents confirming this, but who cares.

                      Lenin did exactly what the Germans wanted him to do. And he wasn't a romantic dreamer. There were, of course, no direct receipts with signatures and seals.
                      https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Финансирование_большевиков_Германией
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                      11 June 2026 07: 12
                      Quote: Fitter65
                      Or perhaps into English? There's no documentation to support this, but who cares.

                      Why would the British want to destroy their ally?
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                        13 June 2026 08: 44
                        Quote: Prometey
                        Why would the British want to destroy their ally?


                        "England has no eternal allies or enemies, England has only eternal interests."
                        To profit from the collapse of an "ally" and seize its territories and resources. How the West is trying to establish control over the former Soviet republics, despite the protests of an "independent Russia," which is entirely non-communist and bourgeois.
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                        13 June 2026 13: 10
                        Not convincing. In 1917, England didn't need Russia to leave the war.
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                      11 June 2026 09: 05
                      Quote: Fitter65
                      True, there are no documents confirming this, but who cares.

                      Historian Dyukov is apparently publishing a book based on Austrian archives, which contains evidence of financial investments in Lenin. The war had already begun by then, by the way.
                      But I haven't read it yet, so we'll have to wait. Then we can say how credible the data is.
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              10 June 2026 15: 53
              Quote: Fitter65
              This means that it was not the Tsar-autocrat Nicholas II who destroyed the regular army in stupid frontal attacks during the first year of the war.

              So Nicholas II personally planned all the operations? And in case you weren't aware, all the warring sides resorted to blunt frontal attacks right up until 1917.
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                10 June 2026 17: 40
                Quote: Prometey
                So Nicholas II personally planned all the operations? And in case you weren't aware, all the warring sides resorted to blunt frontal attacks right up until 1917.

                Sometimes it seems to me that some commentators write exclusively according to a template and simply do not understand either logic or common sense.
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      10 June 2026 12: 33
      Quote: Fitter65
      After October 1917, free Russia proved that it fought better than the Tsarist one.

      Can you give an example of a successful operation?
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        10 June 2026 14: 26
        Quote: Prometey
        Can you give an example of a successful operation?

        The liberation of the main territory of the former Russian Empire from the White Guards, under the command of "successful" tsarist generals, and the expulsion of the invaders from the country. During the Civil War. There was more than one successful operation; the war was won... In case you weren't aware.
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          10 June 2026 15: 47
          You probably don't know that hundreds of former Tsarist officers and generals defected to the Bolsheviks for one reason or another. And yes, please be kind enough to point to an example of a successful operation against an external enemy, not a civil war.
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            10 June 2026 23: 44
            Quote: Prometey
            And yes, please give an example of a successful operation against an external enemy, and not in a civil war.

            And the French, the British and other interventionist troops are also an internal enemy or still an external one.
            Quote: Prometey
            You probably don’t know that, for one reason or another, hundreds of former tsarist officers and generals went over to the side of the Bolsheviks.

            It is known and no less than you.
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              11 June 2026 07: 03
              Quote: Fitter65
              And the French, the British and other interventionist troops are also an internal enemy or still an external one.

              Were there any major operations against the interventionists? And they weren't particularly eager to get involved in the civil war. Incidentally, the interventionists' presence, paradoxically, was beneficial to the Bolsheviks until the end of the First World War. They served as a kind of barrier to the advance of German troops.
              Quote: Fitter65
              It is known and no less than you.

              I'm happy for you. Then what's the point of your passage about the Bolsheviks' victories over "successful" Tsarist generals?
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    9 June 2026 15: 08
    Jump to the side.
    Order No. 1 gave the soldier the right to discuss orders.

    The Israel Defense Forces' regulations prohibit holding a commander (chief) by the button when discussing an order. Yes Yes Yes
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    10 June 2026 18: 22
    Quote: Fitter65
    What about the evidence?

    What's there to prove? It's never been a secret, and the communists have always been proud of their hand in the disintegration of the Russian army. Let's recall "And Quiet Flows the Don," where the Bolshevik ensign Bunchuk conducts propaganda among the soldiers. You could say it's a novel, but Sholokhov wrote it based on the accounts of those who were at the front at the time. Or you could cite documents. On my shelf, for example, is Kuzmina's book, "The Revolutionary Movement of the Soldiers' Masses in Central Russia on the Eve of October." There, the author cites reports sent to Headquarters: "Poorly trained, completely undisciplined, and indoctrinated in the rear by Bolshevik agitators, the marching companies are not reinforcing the ranks of the fighters, but rather the ranks of the discontented."
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      11 June 2026 09: 08
      Quote: fuxila
      This was never a secret and the communists were always proud of the fact that they had a hand in the decomposition of the Russian army.

      I have a strange feeling that today's "neocommunists" categorically refuse to read their own books from the Soviet period.
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    10 June 2026 23: 49
    [quote=Prometey][quote=Fitter65]This means that it was not the Tsar-autocrat Nikolai No. 2 who destroyed the regular army in stupid frontal attacks during the first year of the war.[/quote]
    So, Nicholas II personally planned all the operations? [quote] And all the warring parties resorted to blunt frontal attacks right up until 1917, in case you weren't aware. [/quote] Nicholas II sent his army only to help the allies, while everyone else fought for their own interests.
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      11 June 2026 07: 19
      Quote: Fitter65
      Nicholas II sent his army only to help his allies, while everyone else fought for their own interests.

      And what interests did the British die for on the Somme? Your reasoning is a bit too one-sided. And where did Nicholas II send his army? The Russian army fought on its own territory, and unlike the British, it didn't conduct dubious landing operations like Gallipoli.
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        11 June 2026 09: 12
        Quote: Prometey
        And where did Nicholas II send this army?

        Apparently this refers to sending expeditionary forces to France and the Balkans.
        It's just that not everyone understands that supporting an ally during a war is crucial to a common victory. And that France's defeat in that war inevitably means Russia's defeat, too, because we simply couldn't have pulled it off alone.
        But to do this you need to be able to use logic and common sense.
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          11 June 2026 10: 52
          Quote: Trapper7
          Apparently this refers to sending expeditionary forces to France and the Balkans.
          It's just that not everyone understands that supporting an ally during a war is crucial to a common victory. And that France's defeat in that war inevitably means Russia's defeat, too, because we simply couldn't have pulled it off alone.

          Well, there's a common belief here that Nicholas II dragged Russia into an unnecessary war. Although I don't understand one thing: what Russia should have done:
          a) so that Germany would not declare war (well, yes, supposedly not to carry out mobilization)
          b) capitulate immediately after Germany declared war
          And then there's the double standards. Russia was constantly launching unnecessary offensive operations instead of sitting back and defending itself when the Allies were struggling. And at the same time, what scoundrels the US and Great Britain were for opening a second front in World War II in 1944 instead of immediately in 1941. Hmm.
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          11 June 2026 10: 54
          Quote: Trapper7
          Apparently this refers to sending expeditionary forces to France and the Balkans.

          And they weren't all that big. Although the future Soviet Marshal R. Malinovsky even managed to fight in these forces.
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            11 June 2026 11: 21
            Quote: Prometey
            And they weren't all that big. Although the future Soviet Marshal R. Malinovsky even managed to fight in these forces.

            In this case, many are irritated by the very fact of sending troops to the Western Front. Although all the data suggests that Russia overdid the mobilization, and as a result, we ended up with a certain "excess" number of soldiers who were difficult to supply. Meanwhile, our allies were providing for them at home.
            Well, the fact that Belgians fought on the Eastern Front (albeit in very small numbers, but still) is simply not known to many.
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          13 June 2026 08: 50
          Anyone with logic and common sense understands (and this is well known) that after a "common victory" (it even sounds ridiculous), yesterday's allies would instantly cease to be allies and would cling to a war-weakened Russia to snatch up the juiciest pieces. Or are there still those naive enough to believe that the Entente countries staged an intervention to help the White Guards? Essentially, they were acting much the same way as the Germans. The foreign bourgeoisie didn't care about the Whites; they were advancing their own interests. And the French, for example, landed in Odessa to snatch their piece. They dream of similar things even today, and use the Ukrainians merely as a tool to implement their plans.
          Only liberals and Cypsophiles don't understand or don't want this...
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            13 June 2026 13: 20
            Do you think the French and British, fighting in the trenches, were supposed to go and grab pieces from Russia after defeating Germany? The intervention essentially ended quickly because the foreign soldiers weren't eager to fight. They wanted to go home.