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Ai um siberian. After the failure of frontal separatism, artificial identities are created in the regions.

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Dear readers! Projects of the frontal “regional separatism”, which briskly bred a couple of years ago in different parts of our Motherland, this year hastily rolled up.


Do you remember the identity riot that began around 2010? Cossack separatists appeared who were for the great Cossacks. Pomors-separatists, Kerzhaks and Siberians appeared, who were respectively for Pomorie, Kerzhakiyu and the United States of Siberia.

So. Now with all this it became dull. Perhaps because the frontal projects aimed at a sharp final solution of the Russian question, in general, are now being curtailed. Probably, the repressions worked: after the “fighter for the freedom of the Pomeranian people” from Moscovites, Ivan Moseev reached the court, the initiative to secession from Russia of one or another region “oppressed by Moscow” stopped various kinds of media and NGOs to push forward.

However, this does not mean at all that the authors of the separatist scenarios have left the stage. After the attempts to create mass movements on the basis of naked irritation against Moscow that had recovered, failed, they had a change of tactics. Now we are witnessing a suspicious flourishing of the emphasized respectable “regionalism”, whose slogans are revealingly correct, but the main thing is persistently interlaced in them: an artificially created separate, “parallel” identity for the citizens being processed.

Uh um siberian

This is clearly seen in the example of Siberia. This is what Siberian separatists looked like in 2011. Threateningly gloomy black snowflake, according to the author's idea, composed of:

- Catholic cross (straight)

- satanic cross (inverted)

- Andreevsky cross (oblique)

Ai um siberian. After the failure of frontal separatism, artificial identities are created in the regions.That is, it was the usual movement-freak with menacing symbolism, which could play something only after the success of well-known undertakings in Moscow itself. Frankly promoting the new identity of "Siberian", sometimes even a new language of "Siberian speaking" and hostile to "Moskalik", who are guilty of all troubles. Positive content, except for "down with Moscow", had no.

However, the well-known undertakings in Moscow itself failed, and moreover, a rather severe run-up began against outright extremists.

And frontal projects began to curtail everywhere - from Arkhangelsk to Tatarstan and from Kaliningrad to Siberia.

They began to replace new ones. Much more long-playing.

Here's how the snowflake we knew began to look like in 2013:
There was a magical transformation. For the year (!), The brand I'm * Siberian was developed, aimed at “the universal unification of the information space of Siberia and support of the image of Siberian people, to make Siberia open to the world”. For this, for example, the “great Siberian ascent” is organized: the most innocent thing. A banner with a snowflake and photos of sympathetic Siberians was erected on Elbrus. It is easy to see that even state funds and organizations supported the campaign - PeketKavkaz.rf, the administration of Kuzbass and Novokuznetsk, My Planet shopping center, Tomsk branch of the All-Russian State Television and Radio Broadcasting Company and Radio Mayak, TC My City-Kuzbass and the Kuzbass branch of Radio Europe Plus. Not to mention the support of fresh ideas by ordinary Internet users, who took it with a bang. In June of this year, a film will be released about the event, where the word “Siberian” will most likely be pronounced very often and the word “Russia” is hardly as often.

Moreover, a whole souvenir line of “Siberian goods” appeared, starting with tourist stickers on a suitcase. Among them, by chance, there was one with the text “United States of Siberia”. You can buy yourself a new passport cover with the same attributes. Opened shops baubles, in which customers are met by the symbol of Siberia - Mimimishka. Well, as with this not to be photographed.

In this case we are not talking about the brand of the region, which would help the real product or service. I'm * Siberian serves exclusively the political purpose of "unification". That is, all these nakleechki, T-shirts and mimimishki, despite all their frivolous-positivist orientation, do an important thing. They distinguish from the people of Russia, from the Russians in general - the phantom construct “Siberians”, replacing the real Russian identity with a fictional one.

We must pay tribute to the authors, the project is very professionally done. It is universal, positive, easily distributed, recognizable, on any keyboard there is a symbol for it *. It can be drawn on fences and typed on blogs.

So from hopeless direct imposition of artificial identity, regionalism is moving to a more subtle method. Now it is proposed to replace the feeling of belonging to Russia, not with the ugly black satanic-catholic-Andreev snowflake, but with the modern, fashionable, stylish community of young Siberian people. In fact, at least for anything, as long as the person went.

It is clear that it is difficult to constantly with a millennial force. It is much easier, once having torn off a person from her, to lead him from a snag to a snag. Strictly according to Dmitry Lekukh - for the sake of the ever-changing Western values ​​and the constant need to crush the current Russian statehood. Yes, regionalism is also a Western, European value.

First Person

Or maybe we in vain run into cool guys who do a good job, gather young people and generally volunteer?

Let's listen to Vladimir Cherepanov, the creator of the brand. And we learn not only about snowflakes, but also about shame for Russian citizenship, and even about our ancient Siberian mythology, which must be weaved with modernity for the sake of our homeland Siberia.

So:

“We live here. And the project “I'm siberian”, in fact, is not about the branding of the region, which, by and large, should be ordered by the authorities. Our idea has the status of such a social project, a social initiative. We are not going from the top, but from the bottom, this is our private initiative, and we are recruiting supporters to our army who also think. Our goals are very definite: we want Siberia to be more advanced and interesting. If in the USA each region is a peculiar culture, in our country everything is centralized, and I think this is a very big minus. I wish we had our own “west coast” and “hollywood”. So that each region has its own powerful enough culture, and not only within the country. Therefore, everything that will descend from above is likely to be rejected, as recent examples of territorial branding have shown, especially in Omsk.

We decided that we would not look for a customer in the administration or somewhere else ... When we go abroad, what to say to a foreigner when asked where are you from? When you say “from Russia”, political undertones immediately arise, everyone remembers that Putin did something recently, what other injustice ... Siberia is a mythical topic on 100%. No politics, nothing. This is a huge white spot. (to the question about the possible use of the brand by the state) We, in fact, moved as far as possible from this. The project is called “I'm siberian”, we do not have the corporate spelling “Siberia”, we do not have the logo of Siberia. We are just promoting the topic of Siberian, and not Siberia itself ”.

That is, if we discard ryushechki and snezhinochki, Vladimir associates ashamed to travel abroad with a double-headed eagle on a passport. He exists in a daring young creative environment, where the mere mention of involvement in Russia is an accusation of backwardness and involvement in political repression. Any action of the President of the country becomes an automaton "another injustice ...", and so on. This discourse is already well known to our readers.

And here is even more outspoken from the promoter of harmless snowflakes and mimiches:

“The project I'm Siberian is designed, among other things, to animate the ancient Siberian mythology, to weave it with modernity, to give a new attractive image of our Motherland - Siberia.”

This is how it turns out that the homeland is called. So, a nice souvenir, the passport covers of the “United States of Siberia” is not a joke, but a conscious teaching of people to show an asterisk instead of a double-headed eagle at customs.

Given the above, it is not surprising that lawyer Alexei Mitrofanov, who is known by the Kommersant as a new, Siberian Navalny, is among the friends of the new brand. Just in case: the author of the film “Oil for nothing” about “beggarly financing and not receiving a fair share of own revenues”, due to which “Siberian cities are in mutual transport inaccessibility”. After the film, Mitrofanov organized the national-cultural autonomy Siberian Will. Anyone can enjoy the fruits of his activities in this field in the article entitled “The court recognized the Siberian people as the majority in Siberia”. There, the pensioner defender fiercely fights for the recognition of the Siberian ethnic group by the existing national minority.

PS

In the process of preparing the article came news that Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev condemned excessive regional brands.

There are about 4 thousands of people who have been recorded by Siberians during the census. Members of the brand support groups I'm * Siberian on social networks for more than 10 thousands. Not all of them are ready to defend by all means a banner with a snowflake from their own countrymen from beyond the Urals. Almost certainly, most do not even understand what they are positively and politely grouped around. But we can say for sure that the fans of “black snow over the taiga” understood everything correctly.

We understand correctly and we. And, hopefully, the country's leadership too.
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  1. Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 23 May 2013 15: 58 New
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    Absolutely not funny, but in the early 90s in St. Petersburg, the administration of one of the districts declared the airspace above it their property fool Then they politely asked Smolny when they plan to purchase air defense equipment wassat Now everything really has become thinner and it is important not to miss the moment, otherwise we’ll choke up creative-brand good with a political soul
    1. avt
      avt 23 May 2013 16: 02 New
      +2
      Quote: Ruslan67
      Absolutely not funny, but in the early 90s in St. Petersburg the administration of one of the districts

      In Moscow, Krasnopresnensky. The head by the sonorous surname Krasnov, as I had not yet announced as Cossack, I do not know. wassat
    2. Interface
      Interface 23 May 2013 17: 59 New
      +5
      They just need to be taken quietly and locked. Let them explain in four walls that they were unjustly condemned.
    3. does it
      does it 23 May 2013 18: 29 New
      +2
      Quote: Ruslan67
      Now everything really has become thinner and it is important not to miss the moment, otherwise we’ll choke up creative-brand good with a political soul

      At odds with AKM ....
    4. GSH-18
      GSH-18 23 May 2013 19: 13 New
      +7
      The article is BEAUTIFUL !!!
      Came out just in time.
      Quote from Vladimir Cherepanov (from article): “and we are recruiting into our army supporters who also think. ”Nothing to add. They do not need an army in order to build and improve the life of Russians!
      Another quote: "to give a new attractive image of our homeland - Siberia" the author is very eager to grab a piece of fatter from Russia, and become the head.
      It is a pity that such "people" can no longer be put in a mental hospital. Although she cries for them.
      Another quote: "There, the defender of retirees (Alexei Mitrofanov) fiercely fights for the recognition of the Siberian ethnic group as an existing national minority."
      Siberian ethnos. Full nonsense. The goals are clear.
      Quote: "Not all of them are ready to defend the banner with a snowflake with all their might from their own compatriots because of the Urals. Almost certainly the majority do not even understand what they are positively and politely grouped around." Because the majority will try to use blindly for as long as possible, and if possible, substitute police demonstrations. And then take off the political cream. am
    5. valokordin
      valokordin 23 May 2013 20: 19 New
      +5
      Quote: Ruslan67
      Now everything really has become thinner and it is important not to miss the moment, otherwise we’ll choke up creative-brand good with a political soul

      Destruction of Russia is the most important task of our "partners" including the Nobel Prize laureate. The task has not yet been removed. Everyone who speaks of shit democracy with this direction should be invited to Sheremetyevo and sent to their place of permanent residence on their Boeing without returning the plane.
      1. valokordin
        valokordin 23 May 2013 20: 21 New
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        Quote: valokordin
        on their Boeing to send permanent residence without returning the plane.

        If Russian pilots return them with the obligation to retrain on the IL-96.
  2. avt
    avt 23 May 2013 16: 01 New
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    Yes, you have them at the door - they are at the window. Destroying ideology, banning propaganda and declaring the concept itself - Russian extremism and introducing an amorphous one - Russian, tried to prepare the ground for further dismemberment of Russia into Pomorie, Cossacks, the Ural republics and Siberia. Moreover, there is nothing shameful that people are proud of their Land, but how thin the line is and how many well-wishers are briefly and persistently treading their ideas. Until the collapse of the USSR and the struggle - take sovereignty as much as you like and still hold back the situation, but you won’t be left alone and keep your finger on the pulse necessary, noting even small pranks.
    1. Melchakov
      Melchakov 23 May 2013 16: 23 New
      +5
      Quote: avt
      proud of their land

      Yes. But what for the territories, regions, republics, DISTRICTS, SCHOOLS their hymns, coats of arms, flags. I propose to finally level out all the subjects by turning 86 regions into 20-30 regions / territories (and maybe provinces). And let them not be led by an individual, but by advice (like the Soviet ones). Soviet councils, the most Soviet councils in the world. laughing
    2. domokl
      domokl 23 May 2013 16: 56 New
      +4
      Quote: avt
      And there is nothing wrong with the fact that people are proud of their Land, but how thin the line is
      The fact of the matter is that people have now lost hope for some kind of help from the center. Siberia has always been a pantry of Russia, a pantry that was guarded, looked after and people living there did not feel outside of Russia.
      Now the situation in most regions has changed radically. Everyone, both former and current, had a hand in this. The storeroom remained, but nobody wants to protect it. It’s just to empty it, pump it out. And that means people are not needed ...
      I have some materials on Siberia, I have to write ...
      1. Armata
        Armata 23 May 2013 17: 04 New
        +3
        Quote: domokl
        . Siberia has always been a pantry of Russia,
        But what about the Urals?
        1. skeptic-
          skeptic- 23 May 2013 19: 07 New
          -1
          Quote: Mechanic
          But what about the Urals?


          Well, the Urals will also come up with a name - the main thing is Russia, to pieces, to ruin.

          Our main strength lies in unity, here the Westerners do not sleep for days, nights, how to start another collapse.
      2. does it
        does it 23 May 2013 18: 33 New
        +1
        Quote: domokl
        I have some materials on Siberia, I have to write ...

        It is not necessary, but necessary, to write about Siberia and the Far East, the more the better ...
        1. domokl
          domokl 23 May 2013 19: 47 New
          +2
          Quote: kvirit
          It is not necessary, but necessary, to write about Siberia and the Far East, the more the better ..
          I agree. The article mentions separatism. So there is no separatism in Siberia. We don’t want to separate ... We were Russians and remain them. Only now Russia should remember Siberia
          1. in reserve
            in reserve 23 May 2013 22: 22 New
            -1
            Listen to a smart person. Here you will get answers to all your questions.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HWqVZY35q4&list=PLA246ACF5BFFB3D6F&index=8
  3. Gardamir
    Gardamir 23 May 2013 16: 11 New
    +5
    The worst thing is that this can work in 30 years. Like all the jokes that we listened to in the 70s, they gave an impetus to the nineties.
  4. Vtel
    Vtel 23 May 2013 16: 16 New
    +3
    This is the work of pro-Western corrupt NGOs on the collapse of Russia. The "fifth column" to the crying wall - let them cry there, but let others not live! Worst of all, the code seems “Russian” people are ready to trade for their grandmothers, and there are not a few of them now, but thank God not all!
    1. cdrt
      cdrt 23 May 2013 18: 06 New
      +4
      Hmm ... well, Western NGOs are a famous Satan, guilty of everything wink

      Although for the sake of example, here in the discussions how much impotent anger towards Moscow happens regularly.
      Moscow has taken over, enslaved, is eating, and the rest are in poverty ...
      How many times has this been written here ...
      As they say, find 10 differences from the "Siberians" of these ...

      In reality, everything is more complicated, and Moscow (the federal center) is really robbing the regions.
      Yes, for the sake of peace in the capital, the state actually bribes the population of Moscow, St. Petersburg, moving the headquarters of large corporations into them.

      Ideally, the authorities should distribute from the rich regions to the poor, but in our century 70% of kickbacks are clear that most of them “stick” to the handles of the distributors.
  5. JonnyT
    JonnyT 23 May 2013 16: 18 New
    +2
    Che just do not come up with just to ruin Russia ......
  6. Sibiryak
    Sibiryak 23 May 2013 16: 22 New
    10
    Caption - Siberian Do you remember the flag of your country?
    Of course I remember, it is red with a hammer and sickle! yes
    1. Melchakov
      Melchakov 23 May 2013 16: 50 New
      +5
      Quote: Sibiryak
      Of course I remember, it is red with a hammer and sickle!

      We wind on the tracks of false liberal liberals. am
    2. domokl
      domokl 23 May 2013 17: 03 New
      +6
      Quote: Sibiryak
      Caption - Siberian Do you remember the flag of your country?
      We have some kind of striped .. Only stripes are not along like everyone else, but across laughing
      I wonder why everyone wants to save Siberia, but at the same time no one does anything to prevent people from leaving? After all, we have deprived entire areas ... Villages thrown through one ... The Chinese, which has never happened before, are already living, managing villages ...
      If in the near future Siberia does not receive a state program of settlement and development, in 30-40 years what Ermak conquered will be returned back. The reluctant Russians will work to maintain the railway for the Chinese ... As on the CER
      1. Semurg
        Semurg 23 May 2013 22: 28 New
        +2
        If in the near future Siberia does not receive a state program of settlement and development, in 30-40 years what Ermak conquered will be returned back. The reluctant Russians will work to maintain the railway for the Chinese ... Like on the CER [/ quote] Siberia is pregnant the new capital of Russia, and the sooner those births take place
        m is better for Russia.
  7. Retx
    Retx 23 May 2013 16: 32 New
    +4
    Someone grabbed a little belt in childhood ... Eh, modern education
  8. IRBIS
    IRBIS 23 May 2013 16: 47 New
    +6
    Well, not by washing, so by skating ... Liberalism and democratization in action, everything is simple, as per Brzezinski’s leadership. One can only hope that in Siberia real men did not transfer to the fact that they would put in their place lovers of all kinds of isolation and "independence" of their regions. And the federal authorities should have toughened their position on such manifestations of separatism. It’s not too late, until the viper has grown ...
    1. Komsomolets
      Komsomolets 24 May 2013 07: 05 New
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      IRBIS, but there is no desire to leave your warm Kaliningrad and come to us in Transbaikalia and help real men to raise the pantry of Russia - Siberia?
      I assure you, after a year, or maybe even earlier, of living in Chita, you will forget the words liberalism, democracy, NGOs, etc., and you just hate our esteemed government and capital. Since they only take away and do not give anything in return.
      And with the inaction of the authorities on the development of Siberia and the Far East, this kind of vysyra (I'm siberian) will not only continue to grow in the future, by the way, and without external influences.
      1. IRBIS
        IRBIS 24 May 2013 10: 21 New
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        Quote: Komsomolets
        but there is no desire to leave your warm Kaliningrad and come to us in Transbaikalia and help real men to raise the pantry of Russia - Siberia?

        During the service, I shook enough in the vast "great and immense." That's just something to "raise" - not my profession, I am in another part a specialist. More often it was necessary to eliminate the consequences of the fact that someone didn’t raise something or raised it, but too much. Fate so ordered that a donkey in Kaliningrad. Believe me, there are enough problems here too.
  9. neri73-r
    neri73-r 23 May 2013 16: 59 New
    +2
    To crush like dogs of these initiators and preachers of new nationalities and states, enough has already divided us into three peoples (Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians), so much so that we still cannot unite. This is the reincarnation of the Austro-Hungarian Initiative 2.0 to combat Russian civilization in the modern world !!!
    1. domokl
      domokl 23 May 2013 17: 06 New
      +5
      Quote: neri73-r
      To crush like dogs of these initiators and preachers of new nationalities and states, that's enough we have already been divided

      Yes, there’s nobody to crush .. Three crippled, but a bunch of fans to poke around. They will die out after us ... And the Asians will come to our place. You can’t lure the Russians to us now ...
      1. Komsomolets
        Komsomolets 24 May 2013 07: 08 New
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        In, the trend with Asians spins like a flywheel. And not only the Chinese, the Central Asians in Transbaikalia already go in a stream ....
        1. Marek Rozny
          Marek Rozny 24 May 2013 14: 42 New
          +1
          Quote: Komsomolets
          already Central Asians in Transbaikalia go in a stream ....

          go home laughing
          The Kyrgyz state was there, and Tyumen in the Middle Ages was the first capital of the Uzbek Khanate (then the Uzbeks were more Kazakhs than the current "Tajiks" in striped robes).
  10. GG2012
    GG2012 23 May 2013 17: 12 New
    -3
    But ... a Christian, this is also an artificial (not natural) identity ...
    And they have rights ... above the roof!
    And there is a court of your own ...
  11. USNik
    USNik 23 May 2013 17: 22 New
    0
    Vladimir companions are ashamed to travel abroad with a double-headed eagle on a passport. It exists in a bold young creative environment, where one mention of involvement in Russia is already an accusation of backwardness and involvement in political repressions.
    Well, the birthplace, his comrades who are "impudent young and creative" must be evicted from the Russian Federation or imprisoned. There, people will make such a “snowflake” for them that Sasha Gray will envy.
    1. 120352
      120352 23 May 2013 18: 04 New
      0
      No need to evict outside the Russian Federation. Let them master our Northern territories, there are not enough people there. And so there was someone to organize, to renew for them the Gulag.
    2. domokl
      domokl 23 May 2013 19: 52 New
      +1
      Quote: USNik
      must be evicted outside the Russian Federation

      lol We are already springing up ... And beyond the borders of the Russian Federation, including ... The problem was raised on time, until it has grown. There is no separatism in Siberia yet. There are little fools, but no separatism ...
  12. rauffg
    rauffg 23 May 2013 17: 27 New
    +8
    I was born in Siberia, I live in the Urals, a break for RUSSIA !!!
  13. SPAAARTAAA
    SPAAARTAAA 23 May 2013 17: 32 New
    +3
    Thank God we have no such ravings in the Southern Urals (pah-pah-pah, knock-knock-knock)
  14. Parabellum
    Parabellum 23 May 2013 17: 47 New
    0
    Ha, logo in English. You can immediately see that the legs are growing from the Washington Regional Committee.
  15. AdAAkRuSS
    AdAAkRuSS 23 May 2013 17: 51 New
    0
    Quote: Ruslan67
    Absolutely not funny, but in the early 90s in St. Petersburg, the administration of one of the districts declared the airspace above it their property fool Then they politely asked Smolny when they plan to purchase air defense equipment wassat Now everything really has become thinner and it is important not to miss the moment, otherwise we’ll choke up creative-brand good with a political soul
    When something like that, like innocent fun, Ukrainians appeared, the result is obvious.
  16. 120352
    120352 23 May 2013 17: 53 New
    +3
    Russia is the entire territory of our Motherland, including Belarus and Ukraine, the regions of Russia, and all sane people understand this. More strictly, Russia is all the lands and peoples that are now part of our state and included in it before the Great Treason in Belovezhskaya Pushcha. It is more correct to engage in unification processes, to seek a common identity for all our peoples, rather than generate new ones. There are simply two opposing geopolitical strategies: creative - the search for a common identity and the creation of a single Russian people, whose culture is based on Orthodoxy and destructive: this is what we are seeing now - an attempt to crawl through the caves. Experience has shown that after the collapse of the USSR no one began to live better, which means that it is necessary to revive this geopolitical configuration, but under new conditions.
    1. Komsomolets
      Komsomolets 24 May 2013 07: 35 New
      0
      120352, I fully support you, but these are all words and conversations. I wrote above, if the state does not invest in the development of Siberia, then all this Mr. .. will come out even more, and without the help of the West.
      It is necessary for people in Siberia to create favorable conditions for living, to create jobs, etc., then bad thoughts will not arise.
      Then the authorities will begin to respect and will not consider themselves abandoned, but will be considered an integral part of Great Russia.
      I wanted to write United Russia, then I came to my senses in time, they ruined such a wonderful phrase ....
  17. mogus
    mogus 23 May 2013 18: 47 New
    +3
    all these "well-wishers" hit where the slack is. Power does not remove slack. So 70% of the currency from the bowels of Siberia, and why for ordinary people, IP taxes to reduce? handouts are not necessary, but do not choke. I read that we cry for Moscow, takes everything, so explain, Yakutia - almost 100% of diamonds, but the region is considered subsidized, how is it? Trans-Baikal Territory - 90% of uranium - also subsidized.
    1. Komsomolets
      Komsomolets 24 May 2013 07: 51 New
      0
      mogus right to the point. And you think the Kremlin does not understand this? I think they understand, that means either this is an intentional policy of the authorities on the collapse, or from the dough is already so oh..if that everything is simply .....
      1. mogus
        mogus 24 May 2013 10: 13 New
        0
        I welcome you, fellow countryman.
        Well, Putin visited here on 11.04 at sixty km ... Something is neither hot nor cold. What about them? In the Kremlin, he doesn’t drip on his head, the tax on raw materials goes on, people don’t buzz - it means that everything is fine from the bell tower, everything is fine ... only official unemployment 10%
  18. blackon82
    blackon82 23 May 2013 18: 54 New
    0
    I just can’t understand such people who live together in their dreams, probably their father or grandfather also fought in the war, and they want to sell their villains and their homeland. I wonder where they want to live?
  19. Captain45
    Captain45 23 May 2013 18: 55 New
    +1
    Two years ago I was interested in the topic of “Pomors,” I began to collect materials. So everything until the creation of the Pomor University in Arkhangelsk was funded by Norway. There were dissertations, lectures and seminars were held, which “incontrovertibly” proved that the Arkhangelsk Pomors were a special nation with nothing in common. having with "Muscovy", but ethnically related to the Norwegians. As a nation, Pomors must have a special status and accordingly independently manage everything that exists in the region of their historical residence. What What kind of Arkhangelsk region, I hope you don’t need to explain? Like this, do not wash it so that they try to tear the country off .. to tear the country.
    1. Rustiger
      Rustiger 23 May 2013 22: 25 New
      -1
      Quote: Captain45
      Two years ago I was interested in the topic of “Pomors,” I began to collect materials. So everything until the creation of the Pomor University in Arkhangelsk was funded by Norway. There were dissertations, lectures and seminars were held, which “incontrovertibly” proved that the Arkhangelsk Pomors were a special nation with nothing in common. having with "Muscovy", but ethnically related to the Norwegians. As a nation, Pomors must have a special status and accordingly independently manage everything that exists in the region of their historical residence. What What kind of Arkhangelsk region, I hope you don’t need to explain? Like this, do not wash it so that they try to tear the country off .. to tear the country.

      That's about THIS I was looking for in the posts of members of the forum! Bravo, Yuri!
      I’ll add on my own that “Great Siberia”, “Free Karelia”, “Proud Ural”, Independent Kamchadalia “and further on my own fantasies are only the visible part of the“ iceberg ”and not the most“ finely worked out ”.
      Recently, another, more sophisticated and supposedly aimed at “searching for national roots, so lacking in the last 70 years, has appeared, is actively growing and is thoroughly saturated with ideas, new adepts, and money.” ALL-RUSSIAN RYEas the so-called "trust".
      Under the slogans of the association SLAVYAN / ROSOV (?), A mine is laid to undermine at the right time exactly STATE NATIONAL. Someone perfectly understands that the only force capable of keeping Russians together is one that always holds the nation together at the time of great upheavals and troubles and, as it turned out, was not etched from the genetic memory for 70 years ... of the reign, is CHRISTIANITY. Here, in the opinion of these very “published” ones, it is subject to destruction / dismemberment. All actions and “statements” are directed at this. And as one of the hidden, with a long fuse, the detonator was chosen "CONFIDENCE". Do not you know the Russian mentality -
      The Russians are not able to think deeply, analyze and make deep generalizations. They are like pigs, who live, having buried their snout in the ground, not suspecting that there is a sky.

      They perceive all phenomena too superficially, too concrete, they do not see the facts in their sequence, in their connections, they are not able to think, generalize and abstract. For them, each case is only a case, no matter how often it occurs.

      The Russians are stubborn, but they do not have enough perseverance to achieve the goal. They are lazy, so they are always in a hurry. They try to solve all problems at once. They sacrifice small for the great decisive task of victory. But such a victory either does not come at all, or, winning, they end up with a broken trough. We profess the tactics of small victories, although not against big ones. A small victory is also a victory!
      1. Captain45
        Captain45 24 May 2013 15: 52 New
        +1
        Quote: Rustiger
        That's about THIS I was looking for in the posts of members of the forum!

        Vadim, I’ll tell you even more, I didn’t just collect the materials, but I didn’t find it shameful to ask my friend the FSB opera what they think in their office on such occasions and showed him the collected materials. He read, was surprised at some things. but in principle he reassured, saying that who needs the situation is being monitored and keeping a finger on the pulse. And to his question, why do I need this, I simply said as Vereshchagin: "I’m hurt for the Power!"
    2. Rustiger
      Rustiger 23 May 2013 22: 29 New
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      Continued -
      Russians do not know how to lead, as well as obey. They are genetically saboteurs. Envious Russians, they hate their brothers when they move out of the gray mass. Give them the opportunity to tear these nominees - they will tear with pleasure. As if always arbiters, stand in the pose of peacekeepers, defend the "unfortunate" against whom the crowd is taking up arms, but only so much as to be known as kind and objective. A little exposure, and you will take the place of the one you just torn to pieces. When two Russians fight, a Jew wins. Set Russians against each other, arouse and warm envy of each other in them. Do this always under the guise of goodwill, imperceptibly and subtly. Let them fight among themselves, you always become an arbiter.


      So the dominance of the Asians, too, at one point will fit into the cunning plan.
      To destroy Orthodoxy with the help of the “true Slavs,” and then the same newly hatched “Vyatichi,” “Krivichi,” “Pskovites,” “Karelians,” etc. pit others with others before the start of self-destruction by the hands of the RUSSIANs themselves. Then finish off the remaining Christians with the help of a new horde from the east. Is it not the centuries-old dream of all Judentum - “Russians - by the hands of Russians”, “Christianity with the help of descendants of Christians”. . .
  20. individual
    individual 23 May 2013 18: 58 New
    +1
    The whole tail of separatism grew from the EBNovsky promise "Take sovereignty as you swallow."
    So the leaders in their own particularities were sophisticated.
    Remember the Ichkeria, the Tatar and Bashkir "people's fronts", the "Ural Republic" of Eduard Rossel and other creeps of the parade of sovereignty.
    We must recognize the merit and pay tribute to the will of Putin to prevent the collapse of Russia. Perhaps for this reason, the country's patriotic forces still support the current president in his controversial domestic policy.
    Particularly outraged by his formation of the government and the appointment of odious personalities in the leadership of the country. AND this must be recognized as a fact.
  21. Apollo
    Apollo 23 May 2013 19: 11 New
    +1
    The government of Azerbaijan has always fully supported and supports de jure and de facto the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation. Moreover, the government of Azerbaijan has always opposed any manifestations of separatism in the Russian Federation from the high tribunes and condemned terrorism and separatism in all its forms. Azerbaijan has always been sympathetic and fully supported all the measures that the power structures of the Russian Federation carried out to eradicate extremism and restore constitutional order. All those measures Namely, the measures taken within the framework of the law of the operation of a counter-terrorist nature have always found understanding and support in the person of the official structures of Azerbaijan.
    Azerbaijan, like Russia, was recognized by the UN and other official international legal structures within the borders of 86.6 thousand km2, and more precisely, in those administrative-legal borders of the Union Republic when entering the USSR. This means the following. namely, the official and law enforcement agencies of Azerbaijan have the full right, in accordance with both international legal and generally accepted norms, to restore territorial integrity and carry out military actions to restore constitutional order in Nagorno-Karabakh and to oust illegal armed groups (separatists) from the state borders of Azerbaijan. The establishment of constitutional order is equally an inalienable right for every state officially recognized by all.
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 23 May 2013 19: 49 New
      +4
      Azerbaijan as a sovereign state, always side by side. In the most difficult times for Russia, it was close. During the USSR, 600.000 Azerbaijani citizens went to the front to protect the USSR from the brown plague and rid the world of fascism. 300.000 Azerbaijan lost its best sons and daughters , during the years of World War II. Agree for such a small republic, this is a huge figure. For old-timers, it will not be a secret that Azerbaijan is the most tolerant state. In the city of Baku, both Orthodox and Cat Oliki, like Russians, Ukrainians, Jews and people of other nationalities. It is not Azerbaijan’s fault that Armenia has become an enemy. Azerbaijan is not to blame for the fact that there is still no peace treaty between the two countries. Azerbaijan will never reconcile like any other the state, with the occupation of 20% of its own territory. During the Great Patriotic War, one could often hear the voice of the legendary Levitan. The enemy will be defeated will be ours. These words are more relevant than ever. Azerbaijan never screamed at someone’s territory but also an inch away Earth never second to none.
      1. Apollo
        Apollo 23 May 2013 19: 54 New
        +1
        Tolerance in Azerbaijan.

        Doukhobors or Molokans: Old Believers, history and traditions.
        Now compare if this is the case in Armenia. So.
        1. Apollo
          Apollo 23 May 2013 19: 58 New
          +2
          Orthodoxy in Azerbaijan.
          Part 1

          1. Apollo
            Apollo 23 May 2013 19: 59 New
            +1
            Orthodoxy in Azerbaijan

            Part 2

            1. Apollo
              Apollo 23 May 2013 20: 02 New
              +1
              Orthodoxy in Azerbaijan

              Part 3

              1. Apollo
                Apollo 23 May 2013 20: 06 New
                +1
                Orthodoxy in Azerbaijan

                Part 4



                Woe to Armenia’s neighbors, they always tried to denigrate us, to make such enemies in the eyes of the Orthodox world, but they have short legs. Azerbaijan has always been and will be next to Russia, no matter what !!!
  22. Leisure
    Leisure 23 May 2013 20: 00 New
    +2
    Well, on Tverichi and Suzdal residents to a heap we will divide, or on Vyatichi and Krivochev. Let's get into atoms ....
  23. Pelican
    Pelican 23 May 2013 20: 00 New
    0
    Have you already registered a brand? laughing
  24. zvereok
    zvereok 23 May 2013 20: 04 New
    +2
    I was born in Novokuznetsk, I spent part of my childhood there. I perfectly understand the people living in Siberia. In Russia, you can be anything but Russian, so they began to look for a new identity, which (behind the scenes) is not prohibited by the authorities. This is probably bad, but there are not many people in such territory, and the number of newcomers is increasing.
  25. Onotollah
    Onotollah 23 May 2013 20: 16 New
    +7
    Comrades, I probably risk grabbing the cons, but I want to share my opinion without any hints.
    In my opinion, the reason for the appearance of such projects in the absence of a clear ideology.
    Instead of scoring a big nth on the opinion of Europe and other USA and taking care of their citizens, the authorities of our country earn money. There are no projects like "Leather Ball", "Golden Puck" for children. There are no "Young physicists, chemists, geologists, tourists, etc." I’m not talking about “Zarnitsa. The state is not very interested in its citizens. Therefore, juvenile justice, European values, a liberal approach and other shit appear. Accordingly, the state becomes not very interesting to citizens and they get into flocks of interest.
    From here legs grow, including separatism.
    It is time for the authorities to learn how to respond to such challenges, because they arise not from scratch.
    And Vee will laugh, but there are still problems requiring serious state intervention in Siberia.
    1. rpek32
      rpek32 23 May 2013 20: 29 New
      +1
      Onotolle, speak up. I support. And to blame ordinary hacking "it doesn’t matter what tomorrow will be, the main thing today is to grab more"
  26. USNik
    USNik 23 May 2013 21: 35 New
    +1
    Onotolle, do you not look like yourself, or did you specially adjust the dialect?
    Sensible thoughts, ideology is the head of everything, but what has not been tried? Fascism has died, communism will die in several countries and will not last long, the project "democracy" is breaking on the rocks of multiculturalism, which is clearly seen in the news, faith in the king or queen is deep in the past ... What can modern society be offered as a Goal, and most importantly, what will it agree to?
    1. Onotollah
      Onotollah 24 May 2013 07: 40 New
      +1
      Quote: USNik
      can be offered as a goal

      The Chinese comrades are successfully building their society both industrially and socially. I heard about their army, industry, science, success in sports, but I have never heard of Chinese same-sex weddings or how the comers kill and rob the indigenous population.
      Taking the communist idea as a basis and supplementing it according to modern realities, we got a recipe for a certain success. Considering that this is happening right before our eyes (over the past 20+ years) you think a lot, because as Lomonosov said, “Practice is the criterion of truth”
  27. HAIFISCH
    HAIFISCH 23 May 2013 21: 51 New
    +3
    When the society is full of everyone and goes crazy, it can only offer war.
  28. Skunk
    Skunk 23 May 2013 21: 53 New
    +2
    Why be surprised? Think only in Siberia? We have Ingermanlandia in St. Petersburg, or Ingria ...
    http://ingria.info/
    And if ten years ago I would have only laughed at these ideas. Then today, having experienced the whole depth of corruption in Russia from our own experience. Having made sure that the authorities are in power today, at any level there are no people who think not about their pocket, but about business. Understanding that there simply is no effective and reasonable mechanism to combat this corruption. Seeing the attitude of the state towards man, I came to the conclusion for myself - such a state and such power are such. I repeat once again - nothing can be done with them. They will probably object to me - revolution, dictatorship ... etc. here’s the way out - I don’t want to! I have something to lose, I want to live in a state of law, I and my children, not great-grandchildren or great-great-grandchildren ... Spend your life, time and health on the struggle and at the same time live the idea of ​​a bright tomorrow - thank you. I have a lesson that I’m doing well and generating some kind of income. Shocks - I do not want, redistribution of property - I do not want. I want only one thing - to reduce corruption. And if within the whole country this is impossible, but it seems impossible, then other options should be considered. What kind? And all in a row. Some are satisfied, some are not ... I am not a big supporter of this very Ingria, but I perfectly understand the people who join the I`m * siberian community - people are tired, tired of the authorities who care about them, tired from corruption.
    Although Ingermanland is a beautiful name ...
    1. tomket
      tomket 23 May 2013 22: 11 New
      0
      the government’s spit on people will soon turn into a myth like Russian vodka and bears on the Red Square, even if Putin puts the toilet in gold, you will whine why he doesn’t come to wash it. what kind of mayor and governor do you choose that openly lays on you? first you take a bottle for a voice or 500 r, then you whine, oh, what kind of power is bad, you need to cultivate the consciousness of a citizen, and not cry like everything is bad. Or so, who makes you give bribes? produce corruption yourself by giving the same DPS to nicknames, and then wonder what the generals are stealing from us? I am disgusted by people who mumble something about how impossible it is to live with corruption. Do you have a legal right to write an appeal to any authority up to President, and demand an answer to your appeal, so why don’t you use it but just whine ????
      1. Skunk
        Skunk 23 May 2013 23: 39 New
        +3
        Slogans-slogans-slogans ...
        My dear, I don’t make sense to take vodka or 500 rubles per voice laughing And I didn’t vote for those parties that give out 500 rubles each. This, it seems, your PZhiV arranged a carousel and handed out 500 rubles at the elections ...
        And you, having educated in yourself the consciousness of a citizen, live in some invented world? I’m assuming that the night watchman in my parking lot does not face extortion in her work and that he shouldn’t give a dilemma - don’t give it ... Apparently, it’s also before you, so here you are bravado urging everyone to educate themselves as a citizen .. .
        1. tomket
          tomket 23 May 2013 23: 59 New
          0
          dear, using the term ПЖиВ do you comb yourself to swamp evil spirits?)))) Do you miss the main toad - Navalny?))) And tell me, does he personally extort Putin from you?) why are you afraid to write a letter to the president, or to the head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, write with tears in his eyes, they say there is no council for local ghouls, they drank quite a blood))) and in that spirit, I think they will regret))))
          1. Skunk
            Skunk 24 May 2013 00: 27 New
            +3
            It’s interesting to talk about Bolotnaya Square. You know, it’s rather stupid to prove anything on the site of cheers-patriots, there’s no reason ... I just suggest you open YouTube, upload a chronicle of those days and look at the faces of people who came to Bolotnaya, and then look at the faces of those who came to alternative rally for PZhiV. Just look at the faces of those and others ... Try to make a conclusion for yourself - why they are so different.
            Putin personally doesn’t extort anything from me smile because he is the president of the Russian Federation, and the president of the Russian Federation somehow solicitously extort citizens. hi
            1. alicante11
              alicante11 24 May 2013 08: 34 New
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              I just propose to open YouTube to you, download the chronicle of those days and look at the faces of people who came to Bolotnaya, and then look at the faces of those who came to an alternative rally for PZhiV.


              Yes, everything is very simple. The snickering managers and creative plagiarists came to Bolotnaya, where their lives took place and they got bored in the offices playing solitaire and bragging in the evenings in night clubs. They all had it for fun. And they brought people "from the plow" to an alternative rally. Those who care about how to buy food for children after work and where it is cheaper to buy a shirt for a child, because he grew up from the old one.
              Yes, of course, the first ones look prettier, more well-fed and more careless. But they do not make up the Russian people. These are those who are at any moment ready to "dump out of the rashka." And those second ones are the Russian people. Unfortunately, the people are now without a head. And therefore, he is transported to meetings centrally, by buses.
              I do not like the power of GDP, because it is not for the people, but for the oligarchs. But there is no other, tell me, where are the communists? Where are the patriots? They are not, because there are no organizations to unite them. No finance. Therefore, only corrupt officials and snickering priests stand for Russia. Because it’s convenient for some to steal, and for others to fatten without doing anything on the people's neck. And they have organizations of the Russian Orthodox Church and PZhiV, there is money in the storehouses and administrative resources. And the swamp alternative - thank you - is death for Russia. I’d better go next to a fat-swelling bum-bum priest and the most disgusting thief-official than with “pretty young people dancing to the tune of the State Department.”
              1. Skunk
                Skunk 24 May 2013 09: 17 New
                0
                Do you remember how Bolotnaya began? From the elections to the State Duma. When in favor of ПЖиВ there were massive falsifications. Or were they not? I remember how, having arrived at my polling station, I found a couple of buses near him and a line to the table where they vote on absentee ballots. Which State Department ??? And it was from these falsifications that people came to the rally. Have you seen this in the elections? I have seen...
                But Navalny, of course, you can demonize him as much as you like in hindsight and sew things for him. But then again, remember what he did until December 2011. Site Rospil. For whatever money it exists, I do not care, but the site that reveals the corruption schemes of officials is only support.
              2. Skunk
                Skunk 24 May 2013 11: 22 New
                0
                Quote: alicante11
                And they brought people "from the plow" to an alternative rally. Those who care about how to buy food for children after work and where it is cheaper to buy a shirt for a child, because he grew up from the old one.

                Here, unfortunately, the reality is that after buying a cheaper shirt for a child, he then washed the purchase for two weeks ...
                And why such a class hatred of managers? Incidentally, in order to become a snickering manager, you must first get an education. And this is not always easy and carefree, as it seems to people from the plow. There, nevertheless, one must study and think ...
                1. alicante11
                  alicante11 24 May 2013 13: 14 New
                  0
                  This is you, dear, talking about the realities of 90's. Now those who “wash” each shirt, thank God, does not have children, nor, accordingly, the future.
                  Regarding "class hatred." You also bent it. We can say that I am with "them" of the same class. Only I don’t wander around the pubs, sorry, nightclubs, and I spend all my free time with my family and children (and, partially, at the computer, of course :)). Therefore, I can say that since "they" live - this is not right. They are of no use either at work or out of work. For "them" life is only a celebration and nothing more. Everything is only for oneself, and for the country, for the people - zero. For "them" the people, due to which "they" are fattening, it was about. This is where this "hatred" comes from. That instead of people living normally, worthless scum lives well.
                  Regarding education, you are also completely wrong. So, as managers are "taught" - this is not learning. Even a graduate of a railway technical school is studying more and more useful than a manager with a higher education. This you can already believe me, because I had experience teaching both of these categories.
            2. tomket
              tomket 24 May 2013 09: 04 New
              0
              and you can also download the 91 video of the year and look at the faces of the defenders of democracy, such sincere faces, but for some reason I always wanted some sort of military commander to take and disperse all these lovers of freedom.
              1. Skunk
                Skunk 24 May 2013 09: 18 New
                0
                Remarkably, everything turned out the other way around. wink
                1. tomket
                  tomket 24 May 2013 11: 37 New
                  0
                  Well, yes, now you are crying that there is no strength to live, corruption has stuck, yet everything turned out well in 91, but for some reason it’s not your joy to live in a country of victorious democracy, or maybe the 91 democracy of the year was originally rotten ????
                  1. Skunk
                    Skunk 24 May 2013 12: 22 New
                    0
                    For me, corruption is a lesser evil, life under the strict guidance of the CPSU.
              2. alicante11
                alicante11 24 May 2013 13: 16 New
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                Oh, come on, Moscow drunk, with a small splash of "creative". There were still few of them to create an extras.
          2. alicante11
            alicante11 24 May 2013 02: 43 New
            +1
            Unfortunately, the swamp evil spirits exploit its real problems against Russia. And ПЖиВ, no matter how we relate to the one who invented this “brand”, is a very true designation. It's no secret how corrupt the army of officials is. And, given that the EDRo is a party in power - a party of officials, then what kind of party can it be? No, I’m not saying that there are no honest hard workers among the officials, as in the EDR there are probably cells working for the benefit of their constituents. But if the latter didn’t come across to me on the way, then with the former they were even worse. Those who come across have already ceased to be officials. And in their place a thief settled, which used to quietly saw loot, but now it does it to its full height.
            Therefore, GDP should not be denied the 37th year. Instead, proclaim it! Find a new comrade Beria and make a rustle on the official crook. The truth remains the question of how corrupt cops and prosecutors will clean out corrupt officials? The circle closes. However, breaking it is a vital task for Russia.
  29. tomket
    tomket 23 May 2013 21: 54 New
    0
    Recently I read the story “Between the Devil and the Deep Blue Sea.” The bottom line is that the cult of minorities in America raised the KGB to destroy the enemy from the inside. So I think that Russia needs to take the idea into service, and begin the consistent and systematic destruction of America. Naturally in a veiled form. And also to create a special service hunting for the enemies of Russia, in the image of a mossad. To restore order in Syria and organize in Damascus, thanks to Assad, a special detention center for members of the closed club of the shadow government. And where did the Rothschilds go ??? And who knows, they are floating on a yacht somewhere. And where is Chubais? -Ask the people? Yes, they somehow didn’t watch it, sorry. arrange 37 year on a global scale. And that, after all, globalization, that would cover the whole world))))))))
  30. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 23 May 2013 22: 21 New
    +1
    I don’t understand what such people think at all? I agree that Russia has shortcomings, but show me a country that doesn’t have them. Now, region n was part of a single strong country and suddenly it happened so that it broke away and what does it hope for? , but this is only a beautiful slogan on posters beyond the UN building, its action does not extend, what equal partnership can Russia and Ukraine have for example? No offense will be said, but if Russia even half-heartedly joins the club of great powers, then Ukraine is secondary or a third-rate regional power that will not have any influence on the situation in the world and will never have it. So, God forbid, Siberia, if this territory is now part of the Great Power, then if you gain independence it will immediately slide into a dull shit, this is homegrown identifiers? If a person has two arms, two legs and a goal, he is a full-fledged unit, but if, for example, a hand declares its independence then neither a man nor a hand will become well, only jackals circling around will become well.
    1. tomket
      tomket 23 May 2013 22: 24 New
      0
      they are hoping for a non-corrupt president a la Yanukovych))))
      1. Standard Oil
        Standard Oil 23 May 2013 22: 43 New
        0
        There is such a joke.
        A man came to the forest to hang himself, got up on a stump, threw a noose, then he looked, the old woman was passing by, asking him what they said had completely finished their life? Yes, the granny says there are no more strength, so he decided to reduce his life counts. She answered him, I’ve been here for a long time, I’ve been walking through the woods, I know here one desire tree fulfills that you won’t do everything, but I don’t need the old one anymore, but you are young and have a card in your hands. Well, man, thanks to her, granny, did I run? Wait a minute, dear, you thank me at least for the last time. MUZHSKI. Well, the man thanked nothing, fastened his pants, asked where to run then? sweetheart so healthy but you believe in fairy tales!
        Here we see so our homegrown identity seekers, all believe in fairy tales.
  31. user
    user 23 May 2013 23: 05 New
    +4
    Any X .... Yu write about Siberia and pass it off as truth. A couple of bastards ... in law enforcement, plus NGOs, they have their own bread for YOU and the whole topic about Siberia is separate.
    And then I live in some other Siberia.
    The author is a big minus as the topic needs to be studied more deeply
  32. alpenstock
    alpenstock 24 May 2013 00: 12 New
    +1
    work out grants. especially laughs: "do you remember the flag of your country?" on the picture. lol Well, hack lol
  33. Mihan
    Mihan 24 May 2013 00: 24 New
    +3
    Dear readers, I will try to object to the author of this article:
    Firstly, I talked with Mr. Vladimir Cherepanov myself, and I did not hear anything criminal in hinting at separatism, but on the contrary, I saw in him a completely healthy patriotism for my small Motherland. Of course, maybe I am shortsighted in such matters, but in my opinion, this is a socially significant project.
    And as far as I have an idea, living in Siberia, no one wants to separate from anyone, and did not want to.
    This project was conceived in order to publicize our large Siberian territory, so that foreigners, and many Russians did not think that only bears live in Siberia, that it is terribly cold, and drunk men in sweatshirts and caps with earflaps walk the streets. So that many learn that Siberia also has a civilization with its cities, cultural monuments, scientists.
    And I completely agree with the previous interlocutor in the incompetence of the author in this matter.
    I turn to the author of this article:
    Dear author, maybe you will study the situation in Siberia in more detail, maybe you will familiarize yourself with its infrastructure, and it seems to me that you will come to the conclusion that Mr. Mitrofanov’s films were not so bad. Please note that there are no major sports facilities in the Urals, no large-scale cultural buildings, there are no highways (although there is only one that is only 30 km long, which highways, there are no elementary roads, there are also no high-speed trains) and much more, for the sake of interest, check out what part of all taxes the enterprises of Siberia pay in treasury of our Motherland with you - and you will understand that the inhabitants of the province deserve a better life)) Maybe you should write better about it, in my opinion this topic will be more substantial, and not cling to all sorts of projects that do nothing bad, and if he carries it, then on this score we have the appropriate structures that will deal with this.
    Yours faithfully,
    The regular reader
    1. Captain45
      Captain45 24 May 2013 17: 24 New
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      Quote: Mihan
      This project was conceived in order to publicize our large Siberian territory, so that foreigners, and many Russians did not think that only bears live in Siberia, that it is terribly cold, and drunk men in sweatshirts and hats with earflaps walk the streets

      Russians already know that in Siberia, bears in felt boots with a balalaika in their hands do not walk along the streets, and with regards to foreigners, they also don’t believe in bears either, but they (foreign media) can teach such an image so that such Cherepanovs tried to create a good image of Siberia, but with the money of others and accordingly brought ideas. With good intentions, the road to hell is lined.
  34. Delink
    Delink 24 May 2013 06: 27 New
    0
    YES, the nuthouse is crying for them. Close, prick and show the whole world their inadequacy to the world.
  35. yustas
    yustas 24 May 2013 07: 24 New
    +1
    They are trying to transform, but not enough of what they can do, yes WE ARE SIBERIANS, but first of all, WE TOGETHER TOGETHER RUSSIA, Siberia has always been a somewhat exclusive territory in Russia, but under Siberian I understand good health, a working person, and most importantly it’s great family and drug addicts with alcoholics.
    1. yustas
      yustas 24 May 2013 09: 55 New
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      Quote: yustas
      and drug addicts with alcoholics.

      * I apologize for making a mistake, I wanted to say that I’m not drug addicts and alcoholics.
  36. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 24 May 2013 07: 26 New
    0
    Doesn’t anyone see that they are trying to send us to the same rake again and again. Why do we need these “next election of the head doctor in a madhouse.” As V.S. Vysotsky said: “A thief should be in prison.” I’m not afraid to add : "... and the madman is in the room."
  37. Egen
    Egen 24 May 2013 08: 59 New
    +1
    Some kind of nonsense. I live in Kemerovo from birth, communicate with the people and the Administration of the region, I have never heard such garbage from anyone, as well as about some Cherepanov. Now I found a couple of links on the Internet. The impression is that just someone has nothing to do, so they invent it. And the author for some reason promotes them.
    For us, in general, for the most part people are working, thank God there is work so far, until 90 :), there is no time to do stupid things. And it makes no sense, because in general, Kuzbass is one of the richest regions. Because of natural resources (of course, money floats to Moscow and abroad, but the population nevertheless falls a lot). Therefore, the standard of living is not lower than in the center of the federal district - Novosibe, probably the number of Cruisers is ahead of the whole country, and Porsche and Ferrari are enough. This including for the "regular reader" inf :). Also, Pres opened one of the largest sports centers in Siberia on Builders Ave; housing in the region is introduced at 1 mln.m2 per year per 3,5 mln population; so why are you talking about roads in Yermakov abandoned them in Kemerovo, yes, but in the region they are the best in comparison with Tomsk and Novosib! And the new route to Leninsk - well, not long, yes, but this is the beginning, they will continue to build, but as soon as they can fly, the permitted speed is 110, there aren’t such ones beyond the Urals. There is still a forest glade and the road to it :) In general, Kuzbass has something to be proud of among other areas :) But - not separatism, this is nonsense, everyone I know on the contrary consider themselves Russian and are proud of it.
    That "Siberia is the homeland" is also some sort of nonsense :) Everyone knows and everyone who even remembers their relatives through the knee knows that even before the Second World War there were few people in Siberia. In general, serious flows began after the revolution - the construction of the KMK in Stalin (Mayakovsky wrote), etc., and in the Second World War - the evacuation of enterprises. The first bridge over Tom in Kemerovo was built after the Second World War. Generally, look at the wiki. Therefore, there are no “native” Siberians in general as a “nation”. My great-grandmother came to 1906 from the Bila Tserkva, my grandfather on the other line came from the Urals, my mother-in-law's parents came from pre-Urals, my father-in-law came from Belarus, and his father came to Belarus from Poland ... In general, the topic is not worth it time :)
    PS though, distract, it’s more interesting :) In Arizona there is the city of Tucson, in whose honor the jeep Hyundai was named; with the population of 500, just like Kemerovo. The city was founded only in 1950, and according to 15 years ago, only 4 people lived there, from the moment they were founded, the rest are newcomers)
    1. yustas
      yustas 24 May 2013 09: 52 New
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      + The fact of the matter is that we are primarily Russians, and we are proud that we are from Siberia, but what is more, separatism is not clear, just a bunch of fools are trying to write something =)
  38. 1536
    1536 24 May 2013 10: 39 New
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    If the traditions of ancestors are preserved in a particular territory of Russia, there will be associations and interest groups, ensembles of ritualists, folklore, etc. (where, by the way, is the Sverdlovsk film studio - “Ural Hollywood?” Rested in a Bose, weary of the sun?), what's wrong with that? But if everything was done by order of special services from abroad or some other gangster band, and even at the head of the movements are representatives whose homeland is far from the place of their "actions", for example, in the Mediterranean, and they are for Siberians " get sick, "then you need to sound the alarm. However, for this, Russia also has its own special services, which exist, among other things, for the taxes of honest citizens who love their homeland - a united and indivisible Russia!
  39. alicante11
    alicante11 25 May 2013 03: 26 New
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    Quote: Skunk
    Do you remember how Bolotnaya began? From the elections to the State Duma. When in favor of ПЖиВ there were massive falsifications. Or were they not? I remember how, having arrived at my polling station, I found a couple of buses near him and a line to the table where they vote on absentee ballots. Which State Department ??? And it was from these falsifications that people came to the rally. Have you seen this in the elections? I have seen...
    But Navalny, of course, you can demonize him as much as you like in hindsight and sew things for him. But then again, remember what he did until December 2011. Site Rospil. For whatever money it exists, I do not care, but the site that reveals the corruption schemes of officials is only support.


    Here is a strange person. How many election frauds did we have? Remember, at least 96, when Uncle SJ was elected, and EBON became a prezik. And nothing, no one went out to the "swamp". For people to take to the streets, organization is needed and extras are needed. Organization is money. Who has money in Russia now? In power, in the oligarchs and in ... the State Department, which operates including we have. And whoever dresses a girl dances her. See who is dancing the swamps? That's right, the embassy of the USA. They also sponsored the swamps. Thank God that, as befits our "democrats", money was for the most part stolen. Therefore, for the crowd took enthusiasts - an advanced squad of fighting hamsters. Which promised a cool show, and even for free. But what, the working people had to be brought on buses as authorities, and what then did the organizers of the "protest" hang out with? In general, I would have demanded a return on investment from the swamps in place of the amers. Not only that, they made a show with a march of billions. So they turned out to be full impotent. They even fought with riot police only once. They didn’t even kill anyone for the “triumph of freedom”. There, Udaltsova as rappiar. I thought that they would bang him to turn into a banner. It was possible to make good porridge in Moscow for this. So no. Is it so protesting?
    But on the account of the fact that it does not matter who finances. That you are completely wrong. The State Department is trying to destroy Russia, as before the USSR. WHY help him? Even with good intentions? What happens after the next victory of the State Department? Give you links to the video, or do you find materials from Syria and Libya? Do you want this to happen to you, your family, and your family?
  40. sashka
    sashka 25 May 2013 04: 09 New
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    ... news that Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev condemned excessive regional brands ...
    It must be the same Dimon "bothered." Everything that he touches turns into ufdyj. If you bother, it means that they are going the right way. If I lived in Siberia, I would be proud and boldly speak I am Siberian. I don’t see any reason for panic. Here to say it I Engelschanin sounds stupid and stupid by definition ..
  41. rauffg
    rauffg 25 May 2013 13: 33 New
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    taken from kp.ru
    To win, the Nazis tried to solve the mystery of the Russian soul.
    Yes, they tried to solve this great mystery not only with us, and not only in our time.
    It's amazing how sometimes foreign researchers got to the point. So, we are reading an interesting document about us. Something in it is debatable. But you will not refuse to observantness to the author ...
    Follow the energetic leader ...
    “In characterizing Russians, one cannot give in to the first impression. The appearance of the Russians, their lifestyle should be attributed to the systematic proletarization of the masses ...
    The talent of the Russian people cannot be denied. Only this can explain the individual outstanding achievements of the Russians ...
    A characteristic feature of Russians is the wealth of feelings and affects, in other words, the intensity of inner life. The richness of inner life explains the amazing combination of opposing features of the Russian character. Honesty, truthfulness, kindness and fidelity are combined with isolation, lies, cunning, violence, cruelty and fanatical hatred.
    Russian does not live with the mind, but with feeling. He follows his heart. This explains his great religiosity. Russians believe, they want to believe in something or in someone: this must be understood not only in a religious sense.
    The Russian man is used to enduring suffering and resentment ... the injustice caused causes deep moral feelings, although outwardly it is invisible. While the European is trying to avenge his insult, the Russians have learned to endure suffering with fanatical patience.
    If the cup is full, the Russian man rises and a long patience erupts with frantic insane force.
    It is also characteristic that the Russians need a strong leadership (a strong personality). They joyfully follow the energetic and recognized leader who, by personal example and warm feeling, will be able to gain their trust. They are willing to sacrifice and are brave fighters. Especially Russians are grateful for the warmth of the leadership.
    If a Russian believes and feels a fair attitude towards himself, he is ready to endure rigor and even cruelty ...
    Good and fair treatment is more important to him than favorable living conditions. Russians most value, as they put it, “human attitude”. By this we should understand not mild treatment, but recognition of the individual. Even a simple Russian person in this respect is very sensitive and has a sense of personal and national honor ...
    Russian is enthusiastic. In their actions, they are always looking for ideas. Patriotic ideas are especially popular, because Russians are patriots. A simple person in most cases is subconsciously patriotic ...
    Each Russian is characterized by a deep love for the Motherland, for “Mother Russia”. This love of the motherland is least of all national-political in nature, it relates mainly to the vast expanses and natural wealth of the country. Russians are proud of the breadth of their territory and character. And in reality they differ in all respects. From a European point of view, this latitude is unlimited.
    Of the characteristic features of Russians, hospitality is also worth noting. Previously, such well-known hospitality has survived in modern poverty. ”
    I admit, dear readers, I quoted quite extensive fragments of this document to my friends, asking them later: “When and by whom was all this written?” Opinions were different. Someone said that Dostoevsky could write this, someone thought about Solzhenitsyn. The most politically advanced citizens believed that these lines were born in the bowels of the US State Department during the Cold War. And not one of the journalists, students, and even pundits that I interviewed determined exactly either the time of writing the document or the authorship.
  42. rauffg
    rauffg 25 May 2013 13: 34 New
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    Continued:
    So, the time is May 30, 1943. The authors are employees of the headquarters of the 3rd Tank Army of the Wehrmacht. And the brochure is called “Political Tasks of the German Soldier in Russia in the Light of the Total War”. It was intended for classes with personnel of German units and divisions ...
    Instructions for use
    This brochure hit the table with Stalin four months after publication. Panteleimon Ponomarenko, the chief of the Central headquarters of the partisan movement, sent him, saying that they had captured her from the Germans. At the same time, he wrote in an accompanying note that "the pamphlet testifies to the desire of the German command to" fix "relations with the Russian population."
    So what did German propagandists see as the ideal relationship between German soldiers and the inhabitants of the occupied territories? We again turn to the text of the document:
    “In order for the Russians to recognize German domination, it is necessary to make them believe us and achieve full confidence on their part, where it is beneficial to us.
    This can be achieved first of all by the impeccable behavior of our soldiers and attentive attitude towards the Russians, taking into account their personal desires and needs. The German soldier must behave with the Russian as a European.
    The German soldier should strive to show himself to the Russians from the best side; Russians strive for justice, which they were deprived of under the Bolsheviks. If a German soldier manages to convince the Russians of his innocence, then our superiority to the Bolsheviks will become completely obvious to them.
    Each unauthorized seizure of property from the Russians is considered by them simply as theft.
    Our confidence that the Russian during the period of the existence of Bolshevism is used to such thefts is completely unfair. The Russians have nothing against military taxes if they are streamlined and provide them with a living wage.
    It is also necessary to take into account the personal and national habits of Russians. Be considerate and polite in handling them. In the eyes of Russians, politeness is a sign of culture.
    A rude and bold tone can only provide temporary success and arouses a feeling of fear in the Russian. It is considered by Russians as a disregard for their personal and national habits and customs ...
    Respect for the German army, obedience to the German authorities are achieved through quick and strict, but fair punishments.
    A Russian is obedient and fulfilling if he feels the superiority of the German authorities. The Russian people need constant leadership. State power in Russia is very authoritative and has become a necessity for a simple Russian.
    You should constantly monitor the mood of the Russians, which often changes depending on the attitude towards them. The same Russian, from whom trust, honesty and loyalty could be achieved through a good attitude, with an excessively cruel and unfair attitude towards him, turns into a closed, incredulous and fanatically hating enemy ...
    In order to avoid rash actions on the part of the Russians, rigor and firmness are needed. Both must be fair. One must act coldly and rationally, not obeying one's own feelings. ”
    History has shown that the Germans failed to “act reasonably and coldly.” Something they did not understand in the Russian character, in something their propaganda made a mistake. Perhaps it is because they forgot that they are primarily invaders. Real events in the territories occupied by the fascists showed that the road to hell was paved with good intentions (and the entire document is saturated with them). For the Germans ...