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Priest Dimitri Fetisov: Meek Winners

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Priest Dimitri Fetisov: Meek WinnersThe dislike of one people for another is an old song. The descendants of Isaac - the Jews - still hate the descendants of his brother Ishmael - the Arabs. The British and French historically mutually do not love each other. And who do we hate Russians?


It would be unfair to forget that the Great Patriotic War was won by the Russian people, who belonged mainly to the Orthodox tradition. Just do not rush to get the rotten tomatoes in this phrase and accuse the author of ideological speculation.

The concept of "Orthodox tradition" I mean in the broadest sense of the word. Even joining the party and sometimes fanatically renouncing God, many Soviet soldiers retained the best features of the Christian mentality, such as sacrifice and attitude towards one’s neighbor as oneself. But the real Orthodox virtue, which the rest of the world is so alien to, is meekness.

Let us be honest, the Russian people, like other ethnic groups, have many characteristic flaws: chronic disunity, sometimes vulgar disrespect for elders (see, for example, our tales, where grandparents and grandmas are funny at best, and sometimes mercenary silly), indisputable laziness (judging by myself, forgive) and so on. But there are also unique, very rarely encountered virtues, the most precious of which is meekness and gentleness.

As half a century ago, so now there is, perhaps, not a single family that the war would not have touched at all. Many did not just die, but were killed in a cruel, inhuman way. Once I heard a terrible story of a gray-haired veteran who fought in intelligence, about how his squad occupied the village left by the fascists, where all the inhabitants were exterminated, and the bodies of children, from teenagers to babies, were filled up with wells ...

How can you not hate them? The Russians, of course, hated, but did they begin to take revenge when they reached Berlin? For us, a strange question, right? It is impossible to imagine a Soviet soldier or officer who kills an unarmed teenager from the Hitler Youth with the words “this is your wife and son, fascists damned!” As, however, the inhuman attitude towards the captured Germans - in most cases it was very humane.

Do we now have a hatred for the Germans? I dare say, perhaps, not only for myself, although I have lost ancestors - not at all. Some will say: that was the fascists, not the Germans - and they will, of course, be right. But they say so and consider it only because we have not yet lost to the end of our meekness and gentleness. If these virtues did not exist at all, then they would not have understood: the fascists are not fascists. At best, they would simply hate, turning pale from indignation, only by hearing the German speech, and at worst they could have avenged themselves.

Remember what fate befell the terrorists who killed the athletes of the Israeli Olympic team in 1972 in Munich 11? A special department was established in the Mossad to exterminate the criminals involved in the terrorist attack. After six years and five months, all the gangsters were killed by gangster methods in different parts of the globe. Ninety-year-old Nazi criminals are still sought by Israeli activists who have dedicated their hatred and revenge to their whole lives.

The dislike of one people for another is an old song. The descendants of Isaac - the Jews - still hate the descendants of his brother Ishmael - the Arabs. The British and French historically mutually do not love each other. Armenians do not like Georgians. And who do we hate, Russians, ordinary people, which are the majority? Difficult to answer. Somehow I don’t even believe it myself, but essentially nobody.

We are a wicked nation. Yet. We did not exterminate the indigenous people of Siberia and the Far East, treating the aborigines with “sugar” - arsenic - and exchanging trinkets for jewels. We actually had no serious campaigns of conquest (compared to history other countries). We did not drop nuclear bombs on peaceful cities. Yes, we had serfdom, but it can not be compared with the later apartheid in South Africa or racial discrimination in the United States. We did not have the horrors of medieval religious wars and the Inquisition as a social phenomenon.

Perhaps that is why we have one sixth of all the land, and even some - rich in resources and fertile lands, without poisonous reptiles, earthquakes and tsunamis. Reflecting on this topic, you are convinced that the word of Christ the Savior in the Sermon on the Mount is false: "Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth." How many were militant conquering nations, but they also did not have such wealth, and did not last long.

And we, God willing, will still live if we are inspired by the feat of our order-bearing meek winners, learning from them this irrational and uncomplicated virtue, which, unfortunately, is becoming less and less in society.
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  1. evfrat
    evfrat 23 May 2013 18: 42
    47
    God bless Russia!
    1. patline
      patline 23 May 2013 18: 54
      28
      The article is cool. A week ago I read it on Rasha.ru. Posted in contact.
      1. SPACE
        SPACE 23 May 2013 19: 02
        25
        "And we, God willing, will still live if we are inspired by the feat of our orderly meek victors, learning from them this irrational and uncomplicated virtue."
        Great instruction.
        1. domokl
          domokl 23 May 2013 19: 43
          20
          Whoever comes to us with peace, we ask, another will be, whoever comes to us with a sword, will fall by the sword ... Therefore, probably our country has such a story, we have been living for more than a thousand years and we will live ... Russia is a great country. and we are the people of this country
          1. fatty
            fatty 23 May 2013 20: 07
            0
            I won’t go to the schismatic, my wife loves the icon very much, but I’m in the Cathedral of Vdadimir, while the schismatic rules the service there, I won’t have any legs.
            1. DimychDV
              DimychDV 24 May 2013 05: 17
              +2
              Very Russian. I will rip out my eyes, let my mother-in-law have a curve.
              1. fatty
                fatty 27 May 2013 19: 52
                0
                and I, the Russian Ukrainian, really like that in Kiev pederastic action, normal people said their own (went to ...)
          2. fatty
            fatty 23 May 2013 20: 15
            11 th
            I'm, by the way, a believer, you, it seems to me, no, well, shut up, talker.
            1. S_mirnov
              S_mirnov 23 May 2013 21: 34
              +6
              Where did the abusers of tolerance go? Where are the looters of the common people? You are now being called for tolerance, and subtly, like loving a German (Chechens, Tajiks, Uzbeks, Crimean Tartars) - it’s not a question if these nations live at home and work! And if you ride around Moscow with shooting at weddings - then to you hell! And I will never love the government that replaces the indigenous Russian population with migrants (because it’s easier to manage)!
              "Perhaps that is why we have one-sixth of all land, and what is more - rich in resources and fertile lands" - lying, priest! it is in the USSR The people possessed all of the above, and now they are possessed by the Derepaski and Obramovichs, Olishers, etc., and in the forest there are fences and private estates and there are many places where the entrance is paid, why are you priests silent about this ?!
              "And we, God willing, will still live," - and who is our God now? I heard Allah from Kadyrov - this is the one who gives him money (GDP)!
              There is such a saying, "Trust in God - but don't make a mistake yourself!" or "It is not the gods who burn the pots!" So pray for yourself, but people need to work and loafers and thieves must be hated and fought against, then "the kingdom of God both on earth and in heaven" will come as Comrade. Christ (by the way, by convictions - a pure communist!)!
              1. Vadivak
                Vadivak 23 May 2013 22: 52
                10
                Quote: S_mirnov
                So pray yourself, but people need to work


                The Lord worked, and he works, six days a week, this time, but for those who believe that prayer or service to God is not a problem, I advise you to try, just don’t need to nod at the priests, just as a monk, get up at four in the morning, then obedience to the morning ( work) lunch on it patristic creations are read. After dinner, a prayer service, obedience, evening with a little supper, a monastic rule (three canons with an akathist of the Mother of God) and the order of forgiveness. Dinner. At 21.00 p.m. the time of silence, during which the monks make the secret rule. Hang up at 23 00.

                And then talk on the Internet that plowing tirelessly
                1. S_mirnov
                  S_mirnov 23 May 2013 23: 20
                  10 th
                  That priest's face was exhausted by fasting and minute prayers, bruises under the eyes from lack of sleep, probably hands in calluses from digging up the monastery beds! laughing And this crib, teaches life to ordinary working people? !! what
                  1. Seraph
                    Seraph 24 May 2013 01: 57
                    13
                    and you send your photo, we’ll see who is more beautiful
                  2. Sergey_K
                    Sergey_K 24 May 2013 03: 42
                    13 th
                    I haven’t seen a single priest. I didn’t see her. Puzo is like a drum for everyone. I don’t understand something, but with what merits did this uncle get the right to teach us? I understand when a military, scientist, engineer teaches, even just a senior. Who is this? What can he do? What did he do well?
                    1. R'RёS,R ° F "RёR№
                      R'RёS,R ° F "RёR№ 24 May 2013 05: 30
                      10 th
                      And I have not seen a single priest in our village who would have arrived, and asked my grandmothers how they say you live, if there is anything to help ... Just for the bribe, and a considerable funeral for the dead man. Yes and then in a hurry. they say, more money is waiting.
                      1. annenkov242
                        annenkov242 24 May 2013 06: 04
                        13
                        It's about the spiritual component of Russia!
                        And you have already climbed into your underpants, and drag "insects" from there.
                        Be above the paraphrases you heard, certainly not from an Orthodox person.
                      2. S_mirnov
                        S_mirnov 24 May 2013 10: 06
                        -3
                        "This is about the spiritual component of Russia!" - so, what is next?
                        "And you have already climbed into your underpants, and are dragging" insects "out of there." - what a disgusting fantasy you have, we don't have insects on our bodies, thanks to Soviet medicine! I don’t understand why, you were so hurt by the comparison of the virtual performance of the priest with the real behavior of the priests in life? And where does the "Spiritual component of Russia"? Here we should rather talk about the moral character of the ROC.
                      3. R'RёS,R ° F "RёR№
                        R'RёS,R ° F "RёR№ 24 May 2013 15: 29
                        +1
                        Exactly! And about priests from my own observations. By the way, and about Muslim clergymen, the same thing. Maybe I’m out of luck, and I met not the best representatives of the clergy .... I believe that THERE is something. But I'm not going to, so to speak to join all kinds of CJSC ROC, or other organizations invented by people for selfish purposes.
                      4. DAGESTAN333
                        DAGESTAN333 24 May 2013 18: 56
                        +1
                        Guys, I agree with you, priests very often do not look ascetic at all, they say one thing and do another. I propose to rectify the situation - all those who are not satisfied with them (including me) will themselves take priesthood and show with our example how to serve God.
                    2. Agafangel
                      Agafangel 24 May 2013 16: 37
                      +1
                      And you seek only the bad in the clergy. Bother to read the good, there are many
                2. VDV 80-82
                  VDV 80-82 24 May 2013 10: 00
                  +3
                  even though you ... the Lord loves you!
                3. Agafangel
                  Agafangel 24 May 2013 16: 35
                  -1
                  How do you know what he asks in private conversation and confession ?!
                4. Blackgrifon
                  Blackgrifon 26 May 2013 12: 30
                  0
                  Quote: EwgenyZ
                  And you, next time, before peremptorily stupidly read the history of your country. October 25, 1917 this is not the beginning of the history of Russia, but only the part in which there were shameful pages - dispossession, scolding of shrines, etc., and outstanding in their heroism and intensity - Industrialization, Brest Fortress, Great Victory, Gagarin’s flight, international assistance .....


                  They will not understand anyway - they themselves do not know what they are saying. What can you take from them - "intelligentsia".
              2. Agafangel
                Agafangel 24 May 2013 16: 34
                0
                Usually over thirty, all men have a stomach. this is normal. If not, let the wife feed better
            2. Uncle
              Uncle 24 May 2013 18: 00
              +1
              Quote: S_mirnov
              the priest is exhausted by fasting and minute prayers

              And he does not need it, he is "white", ie. married. But the monks are as skinny as sticks and calloused hands.
          3. Ribwort
            Ribwort 23 May 2013 23: 27
            +1
            Quote: Vadivak
            get up at four in the morning, on the matins then obedience (work) lunch; patristic creations are read on it. After lunch, a prayer service, obedience, evening with a little supper, a monastic rule (three canons with an akathist of the Mother of God) and the order of forgiveness. Dinner. At 21.00 p.m. the time of silence, during which the monks make the secret rule. Hang up at 23 00.

            Only now, after all, what’s the matter, any work should have a result: in the form of a product, a saved life or invested knowledge. Though kill, I do not understand: what are they, poor fellow, so torn then? Every second type of umbilical hernia ...
            1. EwgenyZ
              EwgenyZ 24 May 2013 14: 57
              +8
              "But this is what matters, any work must have a result: in the form of a product, a saved life or embedded knowledge."
              Will this fit?
              Every day in this dining room feed one and a half thousand people.
            2. EwgenyZ
              EwgenyZ 24 May 2013 15: 02
              +3
              "But this is what matters, any work must have a result: in the form of a product, a saved life or embedded knowledge."
              But is this suitable?
              Tank column "Dmitry Donskoy". Money for 40 tanks was collected in all parishes of the Holy Russian Orthodox Church.
            3. EwgenyZ
              EwgenyZ 24 May 2013 15: 09
              +9
              "But this is what matters, any work must have a result: in the form of a product, a saved life or embedded knowledge."
              But this does not fit?
              This book was written by the current priest V.F. Voino-Yasenetsky (Saint Luke) and He received the Stalin Prize of the I degree in 1946 for it (despite the clergy)! What do you think, how many lives did this monograph save ????
              1. try
                try 24 May 2013 17: 28
                +4
                by which by the way are still studying
              2. Uncle
                Uncle 24 May 2013 18: 05
                +3
                Quote: EwgenyZ
                niga was written by the current priest V.F. Voino-Yasenetsky (St. Luke)

                In general, a great man, his spread rot in the camps and from time to time released to treat party bonzes.
            4. EwgenyZ
              EwgenyZ 24 May 2013 15: 16
              +6
              "But this is what matters, any work must have a result: in the form of a product, a saved life or embedded knowledge."
              Doesn't it roll?
              Evgeny Rodionov, in 1996. was captured by dushmans. In captivity, he did not betray the faith of his ancestors, refused to remove the cross and convert to Islam, for which he was executed by bandits.
            5. EwgenyZ
              EwgenyZ 24 May 2013 15: 23
              +5
              And you, next time, before peremptorily stupidly read the history of your country. October 25, 1917 this is not the beginning of the history of Russia, but only the part in which there were shameful pages - dispossession, scolding of shrines, etc., and outstanding in their heroism and intensity - Industrialization, Brest Fortress, Great Victory, Gagarin’s flight, international assistance .....
            6. Agafangel
              Agafangel 24 May 2013 16: 40
              +4
              If you collect one negative about the clergy from an Internet, then of course you will not see a single saved life. Look deeper. And believe the priests and not one hernia
            7. try
              try 24 May 2013 17: 28
              +2
              guys, do you want to see a log in your eye? in the church, as in society, there are different people. What are you all under one comb? it’s not like children. or do you have either white or black? http://www.uspenijapb.lv/en/35-tonn-ot-batyushki
              1. Seraph
                Seraph 24 May 2013 17: 41
                +5
                There is a small group of marginals who are still practicing denyuzhki grantors. Now the order is to poison the Russian Church, which they fulfill with a joyful puppy screech, fortunately, they don’t put a muzzle on the Internet
                1. revnagan
                  revnagan 24 May 2013 18: 52
                  +2
                  Quote: Seraphim
                  There is a small group of marginals who are still practicing denyuzhki grantors. Now the order is to poison the Russian Church

                  Well, you are not entirely right, excuse me. Yes, I go to work past the church from the trailer, where the priest is a young guy, people (believers, parishioners) build something there themselves, the priest is with them, and he drives Tavria (this is analogue of "Zaporozhets"), and this machine is not new for him. But ... The conversation is not about him. We have so-called minutes of kindness on the radio, when they collect money to save dying children. That is, there are technologies , medicines, opportunities, only "green" ones are needed. And what cars do the patriarchs drive? How much does such a machine cost? The same "green ones"? How many children can be saved on them? If in the place of such church fathers I would probably die of shame place, but they do not care, and they also teach the flock the commandments of God. And it is weak to inspire by personal example?
            8. Uncle
              Uncle 24 May 2013 18: 02
              +1
              Quote: Ribwort
              result: as a product, saved life

              Take my word for it? Monasteries welcome both the old and the sick, and after prisons and the dying. I saw different people; God is usually remembered in sorrows.
        2. Ribwort
          Ribwort 23 May 2013 23: 22
          +4
          Quote: S_mirnov
          Where did the abusers of tolerance go?

          I wanted to add a comment, but after reading yours, I changed my mind. You all said ... "All power is from God" - that is, those who oppose the power - oppose God, "All the will of God" is a postulate that justifies in advance all actions of the authorities (including criminal ones). All this has already been heard repeatedly and now, again ... Why would you?
          P.S. Injustice is only possible where there is tolerance, humility and humility. So, I would rather call the opposite.
          1. S_mirnov
            S_mirnov 23 May 2013 23: 48
            0
            Nice to meet a like-minded person, be healthy!
          2. Oleg1986
            Oleg1986 24 May 2013 09: 49
            +1
            All power is from God. But diseases too. Here, Lenin was also from God. Like lice from impurity is simple. Stalin - also from God. But this is already like a scalpel, which often pus cuts off along with healthy skin. So, you need to think with your head. Nobody took away from a man his freedom. But no one took away from him the responsibility for their actions. And if you have not yet matured, then turn off the computer and go to the garden. Kindergarten.
          3. try
            try 24 May 2013 17: 30
            +1
            not the correct phrase. very often they do not translate correctly from Church Slavonic. correct translation - "That is not the power that is not from God"
            1. Uncle
              Uncle 24 May 2013 18: 08
              0
              Quote: try
              "That is not the power that is not from God"

              Yah! And who translated it that way?
              1. try
                try 25 May 2013 18: 56
                0
                "there is no power, if not from God." and it is translated "not" - as "not to eat". if I wish, I can throw off the literature
        3. Mite27
          Mite27 24 May 2013 07: 52
          0
          Purely the Communists will not believe in God and the afterlife. It is rather the Communists, half-Christians.
        4. VDV 80-82
          VDV 80-82 24 May 2013 09: 56
          +2
          Dude! those characters whom you listed ... they are temporary ... and Russia is ETERNAL !!!
        5. revnagan
          revnagan 24 May 2013 11: 29
          +1
          Quote: S_mirnov
          ! it is in the USSR The people possessed all of the above, and now they are possessed by Derepaski da Obramovichi, Alisher, etc., and in the forest there are fences and private estates and there are many rivers where the entrance is paid, why don’t you keep silent about the priests ?!

          I agree 100%. I also said and will say that when our peaceful people were killed several times less than the enemy’s, it’s bad. Does it sound inhuman? Yes, it’s cruel. But let's put aside emotions when the life of the whole people is at stake. How many geniuses was born, how many people could work for the good of the Motherland, build, produce products, treat people, but they don’t. And the enemy has them! We have millions of dead civilians who did not produce offspring, and the enemy produced. People are the main resource of the state these are future soldiers, workers, mothers. I believe that if a war was forced upon us and we won it, then the enemy simply must suffer losses in resources (including demographic ones), more than ours in percentage terms. Our citizens were killed 10% of the population, the enemy should be healed 20%. It will be fair. It will forever discourage the enemy from climbing to us, and others will have science. And by sparing the enemy we risk even defeating, but incurring such losses, disappear as an ethnic group. Well, that's how your thoughts are fell.
          1. revnagan
            revnagan 24 May 2013 18: 56
            0
            Quote: revnagan
            And yet, I’ll say and will speak - when our peaceful people were killed several times less than those of the enemy, this is bad

            I want to fix it, I wrote in a hurry, so I wrote that fewer of ours died. More, much more, unfortunately, and this is bad .. But I think they understood me.
        6. SPACE
          SPACE 24 May 2013 20: 56
          0
          Quote: S_mirnov
          Where did the abusers of tolerance go? Where are the looters of the common people? You are now being called for tolerance, and subtly so

          But doesn’t it seem to you that, does it just seem to you? ...! The words tolerance, tolerance used by you, in my opinion this is something from the lexicon of pedaraf, which has nothing to do either with meekness, and even more so with Orthodoxy. The main problem of people, in their insecurity and doubts, which leads to a lack of faith, and subsequently to anger, cruelty and hatred, and hence to weakness, is neither righteous nor future. Meekness is not weakness, as it seems to you, but indulgence, pity, which is inherent only to the brave, strong and confident.
          Quote: S_mirnov
          and now they are possessed by Derepaski da Obramovichi, Alisher, etc.

          And all this, only temporarily and passingly ...
  2. Vadivak
    Vadivak 23 May 2013 22: 36
    +6
    Quote: ..
    Yes, we had serfdom,


    In Russia, serfdom was abolished on March 3, 1861 in the United States in December 1865.
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 24 May 2013 00: 43
      +3
      Quote: Vadivak
      In Russia, serfdom was abolished March 3, 1861 in the United States In December 1865


      There was a difference. In America, they were whipping on the plantations of blacks (ah, sorry, African Americans). Blacks African Americans were brought in from Africa. Contrary to politically correct considerations, they were not forcibly captured by slave traders there, but sold by local kings. Before the arrival of the Arabs, if a tribe, for example, the Mumbo fought with the Yumbo tribe, and took prisoners, then the prisoners were invited to dinner in the form of a dish. Then it turned out that the Arabs gave beads and axes for them, which is much more profitable, since you can eat both rams and bananas, and beads are given only for slaves. And then the Arabs were driven out by the whites who offered the best price. Something like this.
      And again, in those days, "advanced Western science" believed that blacks are inferior beings, and, as it were, not quite people. I do not justify and do not even evaluate, but simply state the facts as they were.
      But in Russia, slavery (serfdom is the same slavery, only under a different name) had their own Russians. The same Orthodox as the slave owners. Again, I do not give ratings.
      And how grateful Russia "thanked" Alexander the Second Liberator for the abolition of serfdom - this is written in history textbooks, and the Savior on Spilled Blood was put in that place.
      1. Uncle
        Uncle 24 May 2013 18: 55
        0
        Quote: Nagan
        But in Russia, slavery (serfdom is the same slavery, only under a different name) had their own Russians. The same Orthodox as the slave owners.

        In my opinion, serfdom is the cause of the Revolution.
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  • starshina78
    starshina78 23 May 2013 21: 19
    +7
    The article is just wonderful! To the words of Priest Dimitri, I would add a few words related to the character of the Russian person - these are mutually exclusive sides of the Russian character - kindness and irascibility, empathy and hatred, willingness to give up his last shirt and grab an item that does not belong to him and is necessary in the household (or maybe just let will be ). Hardly anyone will dispute that these properties do not belong to a Russian person. The kindness of a Russian person manifests itself in different ways - this is to give a piece of sausage to a kitten at the store, and to kindly tell a stranger on a bus (metro or other type of transport) about your children and grandchildren, and immediately flare up if someone accidentally steps on their feet. A Russian person can empathize with a stranger, about the failure or grief that has befallen this person, and together with him hate the one who has hurt this person. The same is the case with the "last shirt", if necessary, each of us will give it to the victim, and will not pass by if he sees that it is possible to grab something. Hence the famous Russian soul. Wide, on a grand scale, like our immense fields, and how hard for foreigners to learn Russian. Only in our country one word can have several meanings and with one word you can pronounce a whole phrase (everyone knows what kind of a three-letter word). We Russians are amazing people!
    1. S_mirnov
      S_mirnov 23 May 2013 23: 56
      +9
      My people also endure Caucasian weddings with shooting in the center of Moscow, they are afraid to protect girls from harassment in the tram, they are not able to besiege talking in public places. He tolerates and submissively demolishes the genocide of the Russian people and their replacement by migrants! Sells data on Russian officers who fought in Chechnya, afraid to name scoundrels and thieves openly! This is also the Russian people and we must talk about it, condemn and eradicate, and not let snot in universal love! First you need to become strong and courageous, and only then good and sympathetic.
      1. Sergey_K
        Sergey_K 24 May 2013 03: 45
        +3
        Honor and respect to you. Good words.
      2. krokodil25
        krokodil25 24 May 2013 08: 40
        0
        Quote: S_mirnov
        My people also endure Caucasian weddings with shooting in the center of Moscow, they are afraid to protect girls from harassment in the tram, they are not able to besiege talking in public places. He tolerates and submissively demolishes the genocide of the Russian people and their replacement by migrants! Sells data on Russian officers who fought in Chechnya, afraid to name scoundrels and thieves openly! This is also the Russian people and we must talk about it, condemn and eradicate, and not let snot in universal love! First you need to become strong and courageous, and only then good and sympathetic.

        All this pid ... nude you at your place in Moscow!
      3. Agafangel
        Agafangel 24 May 2013 16: 48
        0
        You yourself are able to protect the girl from harassment in the tram?
        1. Seraph
          Seraph 24 May 2013 17: 45
          +2
          And why should he? Suddenly cracked in the face? It’s better to drink beer and invent fables about priests
      4. try
        try 24 May 2013 17: 32
        0
        it does not interfere
    2. Agafangel
      Agafangel 24 May 2013 16: 46
      0
      The way it is
  • Joker
    Joker 24 May 2013 00: 56
    +3
    And who do we hate Russians?

    And we hate them all hi
    1. Lakkuchu
      Lakkuchu 24 May 2013 09: 23
      0
      Quote: Joker
      And we hate them all

      At least one honestly admitted.
  • Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 24 May 2013 15: 19
    +1
    We are a good-natured nation. For now. We did not exterminate the indigenous population of Siberia and the Far East, treating the natives with "sugar" - arsenic - and exchanging trinkets for jewelry. In fact, we did not have serious campaigns of conquest (when compared with the history of other countries). We did not drop nuclear bombs on peaceful cities. Yes, we had serfdom, but it cannot be compared with the later apartheid in South Africa or racial discrimination in the United States. We did not have the horrors of medieval religious wars and the Inquisition as a social phenomenon. "

    Iron arguments with regards to Christianity and Russian values! There are no more such people in the world, such true values ​​and such a kind, cordial, human religion!
  • fatty
    fatty 23 May 2013 19: 17
    0
    only my irisha goes to the Vladimir cathedral, and then she goes to the icon only.
  • k220150
    k220150 23 May 2013 19: 24
    11
    God is not in power, but in truth. Truth and service are always important, and especially today. This is the essence of Orthodoxy, when there is a riot around ... races must remain human, this is the guarantee of victory. You just need to be a little more memorable, and "the mole of history is digging in our favor."
  • avt
    avt 23 May 2013 19: 26
    +2
    “We didn't have the horrors of medieval religious wars and the Inquisition as a social phenomenon.” ------ Everything would be fine, I agree, given that the article is practically a sermon. request When Peter I practically continued the work of his father, "Quiet" and carried out a reformation in the European spirit and burned the Old Believers. How is it? Not the Inquisition? Well, yes, they will say that the Old Believers were burned in religious ecstasy - a kind of mystery of the Russian soul and Archpriest Avvakum also asked Tsar Alexei the question is, how can you be executed? answered, they say, burn me the pomeanist of God. For those wishing to get acquainted with the scale of the reformation, I recommend reading the notes of the travels of the Patriarch of Antioch {present-day Syria} to Russia written by his son, Father Pavel, based on the documents of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. A stunning description of the era, especially when you consider that it describes the entire journey that took place on the territory of present-day Turkey, Romania, Moldova and Ukraine.
    1. Black
      Black 23 May 2013 20: 04
      +4
      Quote: avt
      Excuse me here.

      How much was Peter - Russian in the broad sense of this? Tsar Peter stopped performing one of the most important state rituals for Russia, testifying to the intercession of the sovereign before God for the people and the state given to him by the Lord. Even having subordinated the Church to the state, Peter, in fact, refused the sacred, sacred function of the Russian sovereign power.

      The refusal of the state to fulfill its spiritual tasks led to a different understanding of the state’s relations with the Church. In his desire to subordinate everything to state expediency, Peter I violated yet another ancient Russian tradition - he completely subjugated the Church, turning it into one of the structures of the general state apparatus. This happened during the church reform, which was carried out throughout the first quarter of the XVIII century. The destruction of the independence of the Church in a tragic way affected the whole of subsequent Russian history.

      And it is not for nothing that even during the life of Peter, the popular belief spreads that Tsar Peter is not the king, but the Antichrist.
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 23 May 2013 23: 02
        +1
        Quote: Chen
        How much was Peter - Russian in the broad sense of this

        + I loved everything foreign, Reforms began with the introduction of a foreign dress and an order to shave beards (which in Russia was considered a sign of excuse me for pederasty)
    2. fatty
      fatty 23 May 2013 20: 39
      0
      the horrors and medieval wars of yours were exclusively among the Catholics. we may have later adopted Christianity, but we have it right and glorious.
      1. S_mirnov
        S_mirnov 23 May 2013 21: 40
        +7
        "the horrors and medieval wars of yours were exclusively among the Catholics." - oh, but where are the old temples (pre-Christian) gone, idols, etc., and who burned the fire worshipers alive? Christianity was implanted in Russia with fire and sword, it was only then that the words went into action, when all those who disagree were massacred.
        1. GreatRussia
          GreatRussia 23 May 2013 22: 04
          +1
          Quote: S_mirnov
          Christianity was implanted in Russia by fire and sword, it was only later that the words went into action when all dissenting people were cut out.

          So, far from the conservative scientist S.F. Platonov wrote: “According to legend, the new faith spread peacefully, with the exception of a few places” (Full course of lectures on Russa history, St. Petersburg, 1999, p. 85). By "few places" Platonov primarily means Novgorod. Opponents of the baptism of Rus love to quote the phrase "The Putyas baptized with a sword, and Dobrynya with fire." She is taken from the so-called. Joachim Chronicle, the authenticity of which no one has proven. N.M.Karamzin wrote: “Of all the legends of the imaginary Joachim [i.e. Joachim Chronicle] the most curious is about the introduction of the Christian Faith in Novgorod; it’s a pity that it’s also a fiction. ” Sobr. op., M., 1998, v. 1, p. 428). A.V. Kartashov calls it an "apocrypha." What do modern researchers think about it? O.V. Tworogov: “It is possible that the reference to Bishop Joachim as a chronicler belongs only to a limited circle of texts - late legendary-historical compilations, among which was the text that became known to V.I. Tatishchev” (Dictionary of ancient scribes and books Russ, M., 1987, p. 205). It is clear that it is incorrect to draw constructions and conclusions based on unreliable sources.
          1. S_mirnov
            S_mirnov 23 May 2013 23: 46
            +3
            "It is clear that it is incorrect to draw constructions and conclusions based on unreliable sources." - I agree, so let's try to find the monuments of pre-Christian Russia. Yes, practical no, two options - either up to 988. there was nothing in Russia, or these monuments were carefully destroyed. Draw your own conclusions, think ... By the way, after the USSR there were a lot of churches, I don't understand where the stories about the Bolsheviks destroying churches come from? Well, CSU demolished, so justified, a free pool for the people, where you can swim in the heat, much more useful than a shopping center.
            1. GreatRussia
              GreatRussia 24 May 2013 08: 48
              +2
              Quote: S_mirnov
              or these monuments are carefully destroyed

              Yes there they are. They calmly rot in the ground:





              I.P. Rusanova, B.A. Timoshchuk. Zbruch Sanctuary (preliminary announcement). // Soviet archeology, 1986, No. 4, p. 90-99.
              Zbruch Sanctuary

              In extinctions 4 and 6 are human remains. Their location is clearly of some kind of magical character and this is clearly not an ordinary pagan cemetery.
              http://www.russiancity.ru/hbooks/h036.htm
              1. Seraph
                Seraph 24 May 2013 17: 52
                +1
                And hundreds and hundreds of similar ones, only our atheists and pagans are not up to them. They need to fight with someone else’s faith, their own is not. There is nothing but anger, envy, laziness, stupidity, lack of ideas, love of beer, sex and money.
              2. bear
                bear 24 May 2013 18: 52
                +1
                The Slavs did not sacrifice People, the more babies
                1st plaque, 5a:
                “Here is our sacrifice - this is Surya honey about nine relics, people in the Sun - Surya left for three days, then filtered through the wool. And this - is and will be our sacrifice to the true gods, what the essence of our forefathers [gave]. For we come from Dazhbog ... "
                2st plaque, 7a:
                “Glory to our gods! We have true faith that does not require human sacrifice. The same is done among the Varangians who make such sacrifices and who call Perun - Perkun. And we made sacrifices to him, but we dared to give only field sacrifices, and from our labors millet, milk, fat. And they also reinforced Kolyada with lamb, as well as during Rusalii, on Yarilin’s day, and also on Red Mountain. ”
                1st plaque, 4b:
                “Russian gods do not take human victims, only fruits, vegetables, flowers and grains, milk, nutritious surah, fermented on herbs, and honey, and never a living bird, fish. And it is the Vikings and Hellenes who give the gods a different and terrible sacrifice - a human one. We didn’t want to do this, since we ourselves are Dazhbogov’s grandchildren and didn’t try to sneak in the footsteps of strangers. ”
                A human sacrifice was brought only when a terrible danger threatened the people, and there is nothing vile, terrible, or wild about it.

                And for whom it is - let him openly and acknowledge that SELF-DONATION of Matrosov or Gastello is cruel and wild.

                Our ancestor, sacrificing himself (himself! Of his own free will "covering the embrasure with his chest!"), Saved the people with his life.

                And the essence of the sacrifice was not "feeding with the blood of idols," as many now believe.

                The race itself - which is clear from His name - did not create the whole world, but gave birth to it, that is, gave a part of itself. The world for the Sort is not something separate and unusual for Him, but, exactly, the native.

                http://www.dazzle.ru/spec/srv.shtml Славянская родная вера
            2. Gregazov
              Gregazov 24 May 2013 08: 51
              +1
              "By the way, after the USSR there were many churches" In the city of Azov, Rostov region. not a single temple remained. The last chapel near the old cemetery was destroyed in the seventies of the last century. The cemetery itself, together with the family crypts, was ravaged and a park named after Lenin Komsomol.
        2. Vadivak
          Vadivak 23 May 2013 22: 59
          +1
          Quote: S_mirnov
          and where did the old temples (pre-Christian) go,


          Firstly, not temples but temples, secondly, they simply became unnecessary in connection with the abolition of human sacrifices, as well as the sacrifice of animals, plants, food, etc.
          1. S_mirnov
            S_mirnov 23 May 2013 23: 26
            +3
            "not needed in connection with the abolition of human sacrifices" - well, everything is straight according to Gundyaev, human sacrifices, "slovens are second-class people"
            Honorable people have already answered Gundiai, I’d better not say:
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKLwcSzGLe8
            "Firstly, not temples, but temples," - and on whose foundations do the old churches stand? And whose holidays the church has appropriated (Ilyin's Day, Kupala, etc.)
            1. Gregazov
              Gregazov 24 May 2013 08: 55
              +4
              Quote: S_mirnov
              And whose holidays the church took over (Ilyin’s day, Kupala, etc.)

              I wonder what day is a Jew Elijah? noted the pagans Slavs?
              Part of the pagan holidays, in spite of all the opposition of the Church to them, nevertheless penetrated into Christianity, at least with names. But no more than that.
            2. GreatRussia
              GreatRussia 24 May 2013 10: 16
              +1
              Quote: S_mirnov
              "not needed in connection with the abolition of human sacrifices" - well, everything is straight according to Gundyaev, human sacrifices, "slovens are second-class people"

              First, not Slavs, but Slavs, do not distort the Russian language, but rather study it.
              Secondly, oh how it’s not good to lie, even the militant anti-Christian for the black PR of the hated denomination and clergy is completely faceless.

              Not Slavs, but pagan Slavs who performed human sacrifices, which for the Greco-Roman world were second-class people, savages, to whom the enlightened men of this world went with a sermon.

              As a matter of fact, they were correctly regarded as such, for how can those who engage in human sacrifice, including children’s, be perceived?
        3. Seraph
          Seraph 24 May 2013 01: 02
          +2
          This rotten godlessness of yours was propagated by concentration camps and Jewish revolutionaries.
          1. alexander rus.
            alexander rus. 24 May 2013 02: 13
            -1
            So Christianity was spread by the Jews. You will not deny that the Old and New Testaments are a "story" about Jews. There is not a word about Russia or other peoples of Europe.
            1. Seraph
              Seraph 24 May 2013 17: 59
              +1
              I thought that God-fighting haters, at least for the sake of polemics, are reading the Holy Scriptures with us ... alas ...
              Your illiteracy in the question that you deigned to touch is so obvious and frightening with its aggressive dullness that it makes absolutely no sense to continue a dispute with you. I can not argue with the gall bladder, it needs a brain, but it is not
              One example: the epistle of the Apostle Paul to Galatians. I won’t even say anything further. For whom?
          2. redwolf_13
            redwolf_13 24 May 2013 03: 11
            -3
            Seraphim where did you get this rejection of man? But what about "understand your brother, let him in your heart and lead him with your thoughts and deeds." And you are the dearest in the traditions of the Holy Inquisition "who is not with us is worthy of one DEATH"
            Or are you a newly militant militant peasant then you made a mistake at the place you need to liberate the lands of God in Jerusalem and conquer the grave
            1. Seraph
              Seraph 24 May 2013 03: 53
              +4
              and you aren’t the Lord God for an hour to tell me where to live? or are you the spirit of Vladimir Ilyich, who loved to teach you how to fear?
              I have no rejection of man. I have a rejection of a boorish attitude towards believers and the Church. and by the way, I'm not going to forgive this. even a thousand times write "seraphim, you" does not matter to me, but I will not tolerate gopnic attacks on the Church
            2. Agafangel
              Agafangel 24 May 2013 17: 00
              -1
              All who are not with Christ are against Christ and death really awaits them. Both physical and spiritual.
        4. Gregazov
          Gregazov 24 May 2013 08: 46
          +2
          And you are very very homesick for them. Well then, speak directly. Like, I’m a pagan and therefore I’m at war with Orthodoxy, otherwise everyone is hiding behind ideology and science.
      2. fartfraer
        fartfraer 24 May 2013 10: 43
        -3
        "we may have adopted Christianity later, but we have it right and glorious." - maybe we did, but not voluntarily. and still have not outlived their pagan traditions. Therefore, your "right and glorious" Christianity drank no less than Catholicism ...
  • valokordin
    valokordin 23 May 2013 19: 36
    12
    The Orthodox people are not malicious, they can show cruelty only during an attack on them, they don’t carry a knife in their bosoms like in the Caucasus, they don’t have pathological hatred towards foreigners, therefore, when they come to Russia, they feel relatively safe. But I will say, in my soul I am a Christian, baptized. But I can’t calmly watch how church servants profit. It seems that the priests do not serve God, but only to themselves, and Pushkin also noted this in his work on the priest and worker Balda. Therefore, the words of Fetisov and God’s ears. To me, Christ-sellers who kiss with archpriests, but rob Christians, like ordinary Muslims, are not my allies, but servants of the devil. But God is probably unjust, since he elevated them to the top of power and allowed to trample and rob ordinary people, glossing over his crimes with verbiage. Although the Bolsheviks smashed the clergy as spokesmen for the legacy of the predatory class, in their hearts they were (for the most part) Christians more than their opponents with icons.
    1. Genady1976
      Genady1976 23 May 2013 19: 42
      +1
      The church did not live badly under the USSR, but now God himself ordered.
    2. Nick
      Nick 23 May 2013 22: 41
      +2
      Quote: valokordin
      To me, Christ-sellers who kiss with archpriests, but rob Christians, like ordinary Muslims, are not my allies, but servants of the devil. But God is probably unjust, since he elevated them to the top of power and allowed to trample and rob ordinary people, glossing over his crimes with verbiage. X

      Judge not lest ye be judged.
    3. Agafangel
      Agafangel 24 May 2013 17: 06
      +4
      Archimandrite John Krestyankin is also a church servant whom you cannot look at?
      1. Uncle
        Uncle 24 May 2013 18: 59
        +2
        Quote: Agafangel
        Archimandrite John Krestyankin is also a church servant whom you cannot look at?

        Yes, he never heard of him, by the way, his biography is very instructive for fans of the "strong hand".
  • Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 23 May 2013 19: 36
    12
    Good article! Such topics in schools need to be distributed .. We all understand that .. Now there is a war for the souls of our children !!! Now, if we lose it to all the Khan of Russia .. But I think everything will be fine; the children in the courtyards made a noise .. They play .. (and not in the intera) They try to always go out with my son .. what to tell from my childhood. . I want him to learn to think and be a real man and know that he is Russian and lives in the great country of Russia !!
    1. S_mirnov
      S_mirnov 23 May 2013 21: 43
      +7
      "Such topics need to be disseminated in schools." Do not worry, they distribute, and in schools and in kindergartens and in the army, they even invented a landing temple for the Airborne Forces! Only now, following the priests to kindergartens, schools and the army, the rabbis and mullahs reached out, you panic about tolerance!
      1. Rrv
        Rrv 24 May 2013 00: 27
        -2
        Quote: S_mirnov
        "Such topics need to be disseminated in schools." Do not worry, they distribute, and in schools and in kindergartens and in the army, they even invented a landing temple for the Airborne Forces! Only now, following the priests to kindergartens, schools and the army, the rabbis and mullahs reached out, you panic about tolerance!
        1. Seraph
          Seraph 24 May 2013 00: 57
          -3
          Indian sobs of a vanishing form of atheists
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            1. GreatRussia
              GreatRussia 24 May 2013 10: 59
              +2
              Quote: fartfraer
              -Do not worry. Do not finish off the parasites who teach everyone to live, but violate their own laws, in the 17th they will finish it later.

              Those. Trotskyites-atheists whom Stalin did not finish off? I will not argue with that.
          2. Agafangel
            Agafangel 24 May 2013 18: 39
            +1
            They sob at their funeral
        2. alexander rus.
          alexander rus. 24 May 2013 02: 33
          -1
          And at the entrance to the landing temple there will be a "donation box" attached. You can't do without it!
          1. Agafangel
            Agafangel 24 May 2013 18: 38
            +2
            It was a pity to put a hundred in a box? And probably go to McDonald's, which sponsors juvenile justice in the West.
            1. alexander rus.
              alexander rus. 29 May 2013 03: 44
              0
              Wrong, comrade. I never went to Gavnodalds. As well as I do not go to restaurants and other "gadyushniki". I'm squeamish. My wife cooks well, and I can do something myself. And the fact that you still "waddled" me leads me to believe that in the past you were an active "Komsomolist".
    2. Agafangel
      Agafangel 24 May 2013 17: 10
      +2
      set off! I also educate my children in the spirit of patriotism. And those who write here anti-church nonsense themselves, probably, did not give birth to anyone and there is no one to worry about.
  • valokordin
    valokordin 23 May 2013 19: 40
    +4
    Quote: valokordin
    The Orthodox people are not malicious, they can show cruelty only during an attack on them, they don’t carry a knife in their bosoms like in the Caucasus, they don’t have pathological hatred towards foreigners, therefore, when they come to Russia, they feel relatively safe. But I will say, in my soul I am a Christian, baptized. But I can’t calmly watch how church servants profit. It seems that the priests do not serve God, but only to themselves, and Pushkin also noted this in his work on the priest and worker Balda. Therefore, the words of Fetisov and God’s ears. To me, Christ-sellers who kiss with archpriests, but rob Christians, like ordinary Muslims, are not my allies, but servants of the devil. But God is probably unjust, since he elevated them to the top of power and allowed to trample and rob ordinary people, glossing over his crimes with verbiage. Although the Bolsheviks smashed the clergy as spokesmen for the legacy of the predatory class, in their hearts they were (for the most part) Christians more than their opponents with icons.
    No wonder Stalin was a Christian, and more merciful than Torquemada
  • T-baev
    T-baev 23 May 2013 19: 56
    +3
    The article is good except that the merit of victory is recognized only by the Russians. After all, the USSR fought. The merit of other peoples of that country is not taken into account.
    1. Black
      Black 23 May 2013 20: 09
      +9
      Quote: T-baev
      The article is good except that the merit of victory is recognized only by the Russians. After all, the USSR fought. The merit of other peoples of that country is not taken into account.

      Then you, I think, should not be offended. The article has a certain maximalism, but no more. The Russians remember the shoulders of all peoples in the common military cause, and do not belittle their role in Our Common Victory.
  • derik1970
    derik1970 23 May 2013 19: 57
    +5
    Thanks to the author. Wonderful article !!!
  • Black
    Black 23 May 2013 20: 02
    +2
    God bless my people!
    Sometimes, the fact that we do not remember offenses for long, forgive the whole nations or the one who betrayed us, it seems to me - the laziness of the hero.
    1. philippov
      philippov 24 May 2013 08: 38
      0
      Quote: Chen
      Sometimes, the fact that we do not remember offenses for long, forgive the whole nations or the one who betrayed us, it seems to me - the laziness of the hero.


      Maybe Nobility and?
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    1. fatty
      fatty 23 May 2013 20: 21
      0
      keep in mind, friend, there is a god, you can relate to it as you like, but the person did not descend from the gorilla, believe me, it was created by God.
      1. Rrv
        Rrv 24 May 2013 00: 29
        +2
        Quote: fatty
        keep in mind, friend, there is a god, you can relate to it as you like, but the person did not descend from the gorilla, believe me, it was created by God.
        1. Seraph
          Seraph 24 May 2013 01: 19
          +1
          Does Brzezinski send you illustrations for religious topics?
          1. Rrv
            Rrv 24 May 2013 05: 45
            -2
            Quote: Seraphim
            Does Brzezinski send you illustrations for religious topics?

            Not - Zbyshek does everything in order to frighten the people and send him to the hollow of the church.
        2. Seraph
          Seraph 24 May 2013 03: 57
          +7
          so the true atheistic truth is born
    2. zart_arn
      zart_arn 23 May 2013 22: 30
      +3
      The authorship of this ugly quatrain is only attributed to A.S. Pushkin.
      1. NOBODY EXCEPT US
        NOBODY EXCEPT US 23 May 2013 22: 51
        -1
        And you read the complete works of a great genius there and you will not find such things ...
        1. Nick
          Nick 24 May 2013 18: 39
          +1
          Quote: NOBODY BUT US
          And you read the complete works of a great genius there and you will not find such things ...

          so the paper will endure everything, this quatrain can also be signed in your name ... then launder ...
    3. Nick
      Nick 23 May 2013 23: 07
      +2
      Quote: Wolf3000
      We will amuse good citizens
      And at the infamous pillar
      Gut last pop
      The last king is strangled.

      A.S. Pushkin

      The fact that there is no God in your soul is clear from your insulting comment. But just do not attribute this sadistic quatrain to A.S. Pushkin. Authorship of A.S. Pushkin is not at all proven. There is a version that this is a translation of E. A. Baratynsky French couplet of the times of the bourgeois French revolution ...
      1. Hleb
        Hleb 25 May 2013 15: 50
        0
        these words look so stupid
        Authorship of A.S. Pushkin is not at all proven
        this is how many people have turned over now ... writers, writers ...
        and then another question arises that one does not need to ascribe to anyone, but has the existence of God been proved?
    4. Seraph
      Seraph 24 May 2013 00: 55
      -4
      We will also see how you, godless scum, demons will plant on spit
      1. Sergey_K
        Sergey_K 24 May 2013 03: 58
        +3
        Yes, you stubborn old man. All messages are aggressive. Calmly, you are created in the image and likeness ...
        1. Seraph
          Seraph 24 May 2013 05: 06
          -3
          When some embittered idiot wolf3000 insults believers with the words "Orthodox trash", I consider myself entitled to call him "theomachous scum". You will calm the blasphemers to begin with, who turn the discussion of every topic concerning the Church, faith, the Patriarch into an uncontrolled stream of their verbal crap
          1. urganov
            urganov 24 May 2013 09: 04
            0
            "When some embittered idiot", "turns into an uncontrolled stream of their verbal shit"
            Do you not notice this? And then you recall a militant and intolerant Wahhabi, one to one. Children in temples where there may be similar characters have nothing to do. And indeed in the temples. For religious propaganda, children under 16 years of age shall be given as for propaganda of pedophilia.
            1. GreatRussia
              GreatRussia 24 May 2013 10: 03
              +1
              Quote: urganov
              For religious propaganda, children under 16 years of age shall be given as for propaganda of pedophilia.

              Let's start with you, for the anti-religious.
            2. Agafangel
              Agafangel 24 May 2013 17: 25
              0
              To happen in your family is a real disaster, immediately run to the temple for help. Christ has not yet touched your heart as unworthy
          2. koshaus
            koshaus 26 May 2013 01: 14
            -1
            [Matthew 5:44] But I tell you: love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who offend you and persecute you ..

            Here you beat yourself with a heel in the chest which believers you are correct, but do not fulfill the covenants of your Jewish god.
            Although it’s not surprising that as many people as Christians killed in any war were not destroyed, the Inquisition bonfires, crusades destroyed by the civilizations of both Americas, the destruction of the Old Believers - oh how much blood is on Christians then ... Therefore, it’s not surprising that there is one truly philanthropic Christian there are hundreds of thousands of so-called Christians hungry for blood, or at least the use of repression against opponents and critics of Christianity ...
        2. Agafangel
          Agafangel 24 May 2013 17: 22
          0
          If an atheist calls believers "obscurantists", orthodox trash ", he calls the commandments of Christ" Abrahamic rotten dogmas. "And all this with malice and hatred is nothing. And what the father replied in his style is that he is immediately" stubborn. " godless scum to fry in hell
          1. Seraph
            Seraph 24 May 2013 18: 13
            -1
            At the same time, the enemies of the Church do not understand the main thing - we don’t want exactly that, what would they fry in hell, and we warn them from this. They do not appreciate our care, ungrateful. Appreciate when it will be too late
    5. VDV 80-82
      VDV 80-82 24 May 2013 10: 17
      0
      and you moron ... the Lord loves!
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    7. Gogan
      Gogan 24 May 2013 12: 56
      +2
      Come to your senses and repent! Otherwise, you will be scared to die!
  • vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 23 May 2013 20: 31
    +8
    It is beautiful of course, and I would like it to be so. Just by looking into history you understand that not everything is so smooth. Russian boyars were not considered serfs for people either, then industrialists, like everywhere else in the world, squeezed out the last forces, the kings got involved in stupid wars and who died most of all on the fronts, again, a simple Russian man. The revolution, and many riots before it, also did not differ in meekness and kindness. The Russian man was well-intentioned and fair only when he felt even a small share of justice in relation to himself. If justice was reduced to zero, then all virtues disappeared completely.
    1. valokordin
      valokordin 23 May 2013 21: 37
      0
      Quote: vladsolo56
      If justice was reduced to zero, then all virtues disappeared completely

      Bravo General Colonel, on which stood and is the Russian land.
  • pinecone
    pinecone 23 May 2013 20: 33
    +8
    Mild, not malignant, patient ... It is these qualities of the Russian people that uninvited aliens from the East use. They got rid of one yoke, Thank God, the time comes for another, almost more terrible. Prayers and censers do not shrug it off.
    1. Seraph
      Seraph 24 May 2013 00: 49
      +2
      They got rid of the Tatar yoke. But from the yoke of godless revolutionaries and their lasts yet. And let’s dismiss the upcoming liberal-democratic one if there are among us the reverend Sergius with the students Peresvet and Oslyaby and the faithful Alexandra Nevsky in power
      1. urganov
        urganov 24 May 2013 09: 23
        -1
        Just don’t need to drag popovschina to Peresvet, Oslyab and Alexander Nevsky. Distort, sir. Popovism has never had a relationship with the Russian Spirit.
        1. Agafangel
          Agafangel 24 May 2013 17: 31
          0
          If you want to change something, start with yourself "
        2. Seraph
          Seraph 24 May 2013 18: 21
          +1
          I do not understand. What do you call "priesthood"? Shimonakhs Peresvet and Oslyabya are not priesthood. MB are unbelieving charlatans (that is, atheists) who cling to the gullible Orthodox for the sake of getting money, and this is "priesthood." Then yes, I am also categorically against "clericalism"! There is no place for atheist charlatans in the Orthodox Church!
      2. Agafangel
        Agafangel 24 May 2013 17: 30
        +1
        Yes, father !!! Constantine the Great had a vision of the Cross shining in the sky and a voice: "By this you will conquer." Only with the Cross, faith in God, and you can win!
      3. Ribwort
        Ribwort 24 May 2013 21: 52
        0
        Quote: Seraphim
        They got rid of the Tatar yoke.

        It may be with God's help, but the official position of the church was known: the Tatar-Mongol invasion is God's punishment for our sins. Take it for granted. And it was no accident that the Tatar-Mongols did not destroy the church and did not touch the clergy. Would they act like that if the church called on the Russian people to fight them ???
        1. Seraph
          Seraph 29 May 2013 02: 00
          0
          It seems to me that the reasons for the Mongol invasion and its success are remarkably described in the writings of Lev Gumilyov. Did not read? If not, be sure to read - a fascinating read. So, the Mongols right up to the Khan of Uzbekistan were tolerant of all beliefs, they didn’t bother anyone and religious organizations did not tax them. Not only the Russian Orthodox Church.
          And about the punishment of God. Any deviation by a person from the laws of the world, morality, human laws is inevitably punished by life itself, by the course of events. This is a causal relationship. There is no need to ascribe to the Church the statement about "the punishment of God for our sins." God, in the mind of the Orthodox Church, is not an accountant and executioner. He created the world with the laws of being and man, these laws violating himself destroys. Well, you will not blame the traffic police inspector or the Minister of Transport for the fact that a pedestrian crossing the street at a red light was hit by a car. Therefore, the official position of the Church is known to us, Orthodox Christians: the Tatar-Mongol invasion is a CONSEQUENCE of our sins. Princely civil strife, weakening of the country, mutual grievances, disunity
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    1. GreatRussia
      GreatRussia 23 May 2013 20: 47
      +2
      Quote: Wolf3000

      I understand that it is useless to argue with fanatics. But there is no god! The origin of man from a common ancestor with monkeys is proved by scientists, in contrast to the existence of God.

      Who are you?
      Prove it? Have you really found a transitional species from Australopithecus to homo?


      Moreover, the one that was invented by the Jewish tribes of cattle breeders about 600 BC

      Since when did mythology and retelling of events in contemporary language become fiction? )))
      Troy, discovered by the followers of Schliemann is not a confirmation to you?
    2. zart_arn
      zart_arn 23 May 2013 22: 34
      -2
      The genetic relationship of monkeys and humans does not deny the greatness of the creator, but rather the opposite.
      1. Drosselmeyer
        Drosselmeyer 24 May 2013 01: 28
        +2
        A wonderful mix in your brain. Genetics and greatness of the creator. You can’t drag obscurantism by the ears, because you talk about science as the plan of the Most High. Isn’t it funny for yourself?
        Child mortality also does not deny the greatness of the creator?
    3. Nick
      Nick 23 May 2013 23: 18
      +2
      Quote: Wolf3000
      I understand that it is useless to argue with fanatics. But there is no god! The origin of man from a common ancestor with monkeys is proved by scientists, in contrast to the existence of God. Moreover, the Jewish tribes of cattle breeders invented it about 600 years BC, and the reformation of the Jewish faith from Jesus is just one of the Jewish heresies that fell into historical stream. What kind of god is Zeus, Allah, Jehovah, Odin, Perun, Vishnu, Shiva, Ishtar, Osiris? You already decide.

      In the understanding of a believing person, YOUR words are precisely the heresy of a fanatic-atheist ...
    4. Seraph
      Seraph 24 May 2013 00: 45
      -1
      What an evil wolf!
  • Grbear
    Grbear 23 May 2013 21: 05
    +9
    I am not painfully knowledgeable in matters of meekness and understand it this way: I must be confident in myself and not "bully" others. And, if the person living next to me hurts me (life is difficult), then do not rush into a fight ("turn your left cheek" so that the person has the opportunity to change his mind), but if he will wish to repeat I will repay him and for the former, and for desire, and for the future. Something like this.
    1. urganov
      urganov 24 May 2013 09: 27
      +3
      Here it is in Russian, It is with a capital letter.
  • USNik
    USNik 23 May 2013 21: 13
    +5
    if he wants to repeat, then I will repay him for the former, and for desire, and for the future
    and rightly so, there are people who, having seen "humility", take it for simple weakness coupled with cowardice. Such instances can only be explained with the help of force.
  • lyuboyan
    lyuboyan 23 May 2013 21: 32
    +3
    The article is too blissful. Too perfect. I really love my homeland! But, this does not mean that it is necessary to idealize everything and everything. The Russian people are great. In all meanings of the word. But, the people who make up the people are all different. And, strangely enough, among many good, many and bad. Patriotism is not to idealize everyone. And in fact, it seems to me that you need to love the bad. They are ours. But in general, our people, of course, are not evil, not ferocious. This is true. But to be not mean, does not mean to be good. And to forgive does not mean to forget. Do not forget! We must remember everything! No wonder the people say:
    "Whoever remembers the old, that eye is over. And whoever forgets, both.
  • Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 23 May 2013 21: 40
    +1
    Quote: Chen
    Quote: T-baev
    The article is good except that the merit of victory is recognized only by the Russians. After all, the USSR fought. The merit of other peoples of that country is not taken into account.

    Then you, I think, should not be offended. The article has a certain maximalism, but no more. The Russians remember the shoulders of all peoples in the common military cause, and do not belittle their role in Our Common Victory.

    I agree !! Russia is a multinational country .. and Russians without the support of small nations would hardly be able to build such a powerful state .. I personally have many friends of different nationalities ..
    1. Rrv
      Rrv 24 May 2013 00: 34
      0
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Russia is a multinational country .. and Russians without the support of small nations would hardly be able to build such a powerful state .. I personally have many friends of different nationalities ..


      Are they too actively convincing us of this?
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    1. Seraph
      Seraph 24 May 2013 00: 39
      -1
      What, the white ribbon, so tightly pulled his throat so that the blood stopped flowing into the brain? Change the Reichsmarshal to his real name, write Boris Nemtsov or Julia Latynina. That is more correct
      1. reichsmarshal
        reichsmarshal 24 May 2013 21: 48
        0
        My real name is Oleg, Nemtsov and Latynina, as well as all beloletochnikov I hate no less than yours, I just make it clear that all this scum just arose thanks to Orthodoxy. Simply by the fact that it is thanks to Orthodoxy that "our" PedRossevskaya power of the Medveps is holding onto its place. If you like the lordly whip of domestic production and sprinkled with holy water more than imported (tied with a white ribbon and a star-striped flag) - your business! But you don't need to convince me that this is patriotism! SUCH approach to the problem of patriotism, in fact, led us to that w ... th, in which our Mother Russia floats (which was before Orthodoxy (also called BLACK GOD), I hope, will survive it).
        1. Seraph
          Seraph 29 May 2013 02: 11
          0
          How can the power of former Komsomol members and Chekists, the children of those who destroyed the Church, be held out thanks to the Orthodox Church ??? I am not against atheists and pagans. If you want to believe in your own way - yes, please. I am categorically against ABSOLUTELY false fabrications against my beloved Church of Christ. Against the fact that her enemies turn everything upside down with regard to Her. Against the fact that the Church, which has been tormented by those in power since the time of Peter I, is made almost the main ally of this power. And who, except for a few of your like-minded people, calls Orthodoxy "black gods"?
    2. GreatRussia
      GreatRussia 24 May 2013 08: 58
      +2
      Quote: reichsmarshal
      The article SHARPLY proves how deeply this Orthodoxy of the brain has raped our people

      This is clearly from your atheism of the brain, which was driven into you by anti-religious Russophobic propaganda.
      1. reichsmarshal
        reichsmarshal 24 May 2013 21: 53
        0
        Aha, aha, and even a hundred pounds of Milliens-boules tortured by the bloody Stalinist-Beria gebnya! Orthodoxy SUPPORTED feudal fragmentation in Russia, the Mongol yoke, the Polish interventionists, serfdom, the White Guards, the ROVS, the Vlasovites and the Nazis (these are just historical facts). You can live more deliberately in your girlish dreams of "white kings", golden domes and the crunch of French rolls.
  • Vladomir
    Vladomir 23 May 2013 21: 45
    +2
    I completely agree with Dmitry’s reasoning. The Russians assimilated other nations and nationalities into a single Russian family, as we are called in the West, and in the world. At the same time, the Russians helped preserve the identity and unity of the ethnic group. You can not say about the bloody policies of the West, England, the USA, France ... to enslaved peoples and their extermination in order to acquire the wealth they created.
  • individual
    individual 23 May 2013 21: 45
    -4
    In the history of Russia, as in the history of the Orthodox Church, it was HOLY ROLEwas a lie.
    Russia is selected from the failure of development, the Orthodox Church finds the ways of the priesthood.
    As an example, see the missionary Hajj of His Holiness Patriarch Kirill to China. The first visit in the history of the patriarchy, but very promising for the conversion of new adherents to the fold Russian Orthodox Church.
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    2. individual
      individual 24 May 2013 08: 17
      0
      Fairly "cut down" a minus. As you have to read your written. It got a typo. I should have written:
      "In the history of Russia, as in the history of the Orthodox Church, there was a HOLY ROLE, but there was И false ".
  • Dimitr
    Dimitr 23 May 2013 21: 57
    +2
    Wonderful article, enough for the soul! Everything is correctly said, thanks to the author!
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    1. Seraph
      Seraph 24 May 2013 01: 10
      -2
      Are you talking about communist commissars who burned priests with their children, drowned Russian officers in the Crimea and exterminated everything Russian in every way?
      1. reichsmarshal
        reichsmarshal 24 May 2013 22: 03
        0
        Sure sure! Russian generals and officers are such Russian (just from the list of WWI participants): Rennenkampf, Scheidemann, Iosefovich, Adaridi, Eris Khan Sultan Girey, Rosenshild von Paulin, Herngross, Rauch, Belhard, Freiman, Richter, Fitingof, Sirelius, Nordheim, Schweizer, Schweizer . This golden scum on the orders of Nikolashka the Bloody led our guys to slaughter under Tannenberg. If I believed in God, I would wish all this officer to burn in hell, and even that would be too soft!
  • Drosselmeyer
    Drosselmeyer 23 May 2013 23: 04
    -1
    I read the article again. These fabrications are phenomenal. About Munich, generally enchanting, but I want to ask, but did the Russian people forgive Basayev and others who are found and destroyed by special FSB units every week? And there are questions about the expansion of the Russian Empire. Expanded by fire and sword, and belonged to the conquered, during the time of the king-priest as the British in India. Or forgot the capture of Khiva, Bukhara? Only the atheists the Bolsheviks began to treat the Central Asian peoples as equals (and even with problems).
    1. Seraph
      Seraph 24 May 2013 01: 17
      +1
      Forgot about gang raids from Khiva and Bukhara? Or do you have Bandera propaganda completely messed up your mind?
      1. Drosselmeyer
        Drosselmeyer 24 May 2013 01: 33
        -7
        Well, let's recall the gang raids of Orthodox princes on other Orthodox princes. And tell me, where and when did the Khiva and Bukhara people attack the Russian lands? Perhaps Russia simply pursued its colonial policy?
        1. Buran
          Buran 24 May 2013 03: 11
          +5
          "The Khiva Khanate emerged in the first quarter of the 1833th century on the territory of Khorezm, an ancient fertile region that repeatedly became the nucleus of various state formations. The XNUMXth-XNUMXth centuries in the history of Khiva were marked by a struggle with the neighboring Bukhara Khanate. In the first quarter of the XNUMXth century, Russia tried to normalize relations with the Khiva Khanate.The Orenburg governor of Essen was ordered to establish diplomatic relations with the khan and offer him a friendly alliance, subject to the recognition of free trade and the release of Russian prisoners in Khiva. in prison and were almost executed. The robbery of caravans and the capture of prisoners continued. By XNUMX, there were more than five hundred Russian prisoners in Khiva. "
          This is so, food for the brain, for those who have it.
      2. urganov
        urganov 24 May 2013 09: 33
        -1
        "Bandera propaganda" just stick far-fetched labels in a very Christian way ...
    2. Buran
      Buran 24 May 2013 03: 26
      +1
      And Basayev, what side did you drag here, even Shamil, after whom this freak was named, who devoted his whole life to the fight against Russia, did not kill pregnant women, much less hide behind them. And if you have not noticed the FSB acts strictly within the framework of the law, at first they persuade it for a very long time, and then I'm sorry ...
      And the Bolsheviks in the fight against Basmachism were not shy in their means
      read the biography of the same Panfilov.
  • arnulla
    arnulla 23 May 2013 23: 19
    +1
    In the modern, rapidly changing world, meekness is not welcome ... Meekness leads, for example, to the fact that every "gozman" allows himself to carry nonsense, without fear of getting into a pumpkin ...
  • Rrv
    Rrv 24 May 2013 00: 38
    0
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    1. Seraph
      Seraph 24 May 2013 02: 18
      +2
      "There is no God" (Charles Darwin)
      "Charles Darwin is not" (God)
    2. GreatRussia
      GreatRussia 24 May 2013 08: 14
      +5
      Rrv

      What godless abominations you are!
      Not atheists, namely godless people!
      Do not shun anything in order to defame the Russian Orthodox Church that you hate and believers.


      Here is a real atheist:

      J.I. Alferov: “I have a very simple and kind attitude towards the Russian Orthodox Church,” because “The Orthodox Church defends the unity of the Slavs". Zhores Ivanovich recalled that "over the past two decades, the Slavic world has suffered huge losses: Yugoslavia was defeated, the great triumvirate of Russia, Ukraine and Belarus ceased to exist. Organically I am an internationalist ... but the Slavs suffered huge losses. I remember how during the war , especially after 1943, our soldiers went on the attack not so much shouting "for Stalin", but with the words "Forward, Slavs!"





      “Why do I believe? Because during the war, not even at the front, but in the rear or during the occupation, as happened to me, man has no other hope than God. And I can tell you that then almost everyone was a believer.
      George Grechko (twice Hero of the Soviet Unioncosmonaut)
      http://www.newizv.ru/society/2007-04-12/67775-dvazhdy-geroj-sovetskogo-sojuza-le

      tchik-kosmonavt-georgij-grechko.html



      And your whole level of struggle with it consists in primitive spitting and throwing poop.
  • Seraph
    Seraph 24 May 2013 01: 26
    +3
    "A Russian without Orthodoxy is rubbish, not a man" (Fyodor Mikhailovich Dostoevsky). This is exactly what we see when we read the comments of evil atheists-Russophobes. And Father Dimitri wrote correctly about the "Orthodox mentality" in a broad sense: many Russians do not formally belong to the Church, but inwardly continue to belong to Orthodoxy. This, of course, is not about "pusek", "femen" and their associates.
  • shurup
    shurup 24 May 2013 01: 28
    0
    The article is a rotten tomato thrown in the face of a blind man. The blind - let them see.
    I like beefy faces that call us to fast.
    Mr. Messenger is not working badly from the government.
  • Seraph
    Seraph 24 May 2013 01: 31
    +1
    "Teaching an unfaithful army is like sharpening rusty iron!" (Alexander Vasilievich Suvorov.) This is what the theomachists do not like Orthodoxy so much - they remember how their Orthodox commanders beat arrogant faces with the help of God
    1. Drosselmeyer
      Drosselmeyer 24 May 2013 01: 38
      +1
      You can find out how the Orthodox army lost to the pagan Japanese and the atheists the French and the British? And then it just fell apart before the Germans heretics?
      1. Buran
        Buran 24 May 2013 03: 32
        +2
        1 / 6 part of the land, and we all fall apart and fall apart. Look that the splinter does not hurt.
  • dzau
    dzau 24 May 2013 01: 51
    +3
    And long and long-haired -
    Side - for a snowdrift ...
    That 'now not cheerful,
    Comrade pop?

    Remember what happened
    Belly walked forward
    And the cross shone
    Belly on the people? ..
  • Seraph
    Seraph 24 May 2013 01: 52
    +3
    The Russian-Japanese did not lose the Orthodox army, but the traitors liberal atheists who staged a revolution in the rear of the Russian army and sent congratulations to the Japanese emperor. Well, what can I say about the First World War - the unbelievers Milyukovs and Rodzianka and the whole elite, together with burrowing Bolsheviks, won with the money of the British and German intelligence. And can we mutually ask why the mighty Soviet Union left Afghanistan with nothing, so much so that it collapsed after a few years? And why did the valiant commissars and communists tinker with unhappy finns so much? Well, about the passed Republican Spain, do not forget to explain
    1. redwolf_13
      redwolf_13 24 May 2013 08: 58
      0
      Strangely, the 1905 revolution took place 9500 km from the battlefield. As a question. The commander of the Russian army, General Kurapatkin, was such a believer that he dragged to the front 2 carriages of icons and pectoral crosses. And this is instead of ammunition shells in which the troops really needed. Moving along the front, he sometimes forgot about his headquarters, but once about a mobile church where he celebrated services 3-4 times, but sometimes with the interests of the front. Yes, at all anecdotal case in the last battle at Mugden and this is a general battle in which the question of Manzhuria was decided. Where the battle stretches on more than 100 kilometers of front in the middle of the battle, our pious general leaves the headquarters and retires to the temple "to pray for the Orthodox army." And what do we have at the end of the broken regiments and the retreating army, which was able to break away from the enemy troops with heavy losses only for 10 days. Where are the traitors liberals-atheists who staged a revolution in the rear of the Russian army ??? How did she affect the war? Enough already grind nonsense and throw everything into one plate.
      1. Seraph
        Seraph 29 May 2013 02: 21
        0
        From a letter from Father John of Kronstadt: “The leader of our army, A. N. Kuropatkin, left all the icons brought to him from the Japanese pagans, while all worldly things were seized. What is the relation to faith and church shrine! For this, the Lord does not bless our weapons and the enemies defeat us. For this we have become a mockery and trampling on all our enemies. ”
        I don’t know what kind of cars you are talking about, but there is a lot of evidence that Kuropatkin, at least, was indifferent to faith. And in particular, about his opposition to the delivery of the icon of the Mother of God "Port Arthur" to Port Arthur.
        You, dear, are engaged in speculation
    2. Drednout
      Drednout 24 May 2013 19: 05
      +1
      If you wish, it is enough to read "Demons". The beginning of all troubles in Russia with European nihilisms-atheisms.
      And Kuropatkin in Russian - Japanese is a separate topic. Orthodoxy is not worth blaming in cars with icons.
      As Dmitry Ivanovich Mendeleev said - There are no harmful substances - there are harmful quantities.
    3. reichsmarshal
      reichsmarshal 26 May 2013 09: 42
      +1
      Sure sure. And Rozhdestvensky with Nebogatov, and all the commandants of his squadron were all Bolsheviks. But Milyukov and Rodzianko were generally secret admirers of Kaballah and Satanists, and at night they ate hearts and drank the blood of the Orthodox. In general, the Bolsheviks are aliens from the hellish parallel universe. Like strangers among us! And in general, all the people are traitors - they betrayed the Orthodox curly angels and did not allow them to eat French rolls.
      Seraphim, have you been to a psychiatrist? In your statements - typical signs of mild schizophrenia (and not stupidity, namely schizophrenia, since you contradict yourself and common sense).
      1. Seraph
        Seraph 29 May 2013 02: 24
        0
        You probably wondered for a long time among those around you, taking the queue for the next appointment with a treating psychiatrist? To know that you are not being treated, remission is not observed
  • Seraph
    Seraph 24 May 2013 02: 01
    +1
    The teacher proves to the children that there is no God.
    “There is no God, do you understand it or not?”
    - Yes, of course we do!
    - Well, thank God!
  • Seraph
    Seraph 24 May 2013 02: 03
    +1
    The lesson of atheism. The teacher says:
    - Kids, there is no God! Here you, Masha, see God?
    - No.
    “So there is no God!”
    Then one little boy from the last desk pulls his hand. The teacher:
    - What do you want?
    - May I ask Masha a question?
    - Come on.
    - Masha, do you see the teacher’s brains?
    - No.
    - And this means that the teacher does not have them!
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    1. alexander rus.
      alexander rus. 24 May 2013 03: 25
      +1
      I agree with you. But only "Orthodoxy" is the religion of our ancestors (that is, before the planting of Christianity). Later, these people in women's dresses in Russia began to call themselves Orthodox Christians. Those. connect the unconnectable. That is in a nutshell. GLORY TO THE RUSSIAN GODS! Be healthy!
      1. koshaus
        koshaus 24 May 2013 08: 06
        -1
        Have you noticed the quotation marks in which the word Orthodoxy is enclosed? if you do not notice or do not understand, then you should know that patients with PGM write this word without quotes. Here it is in quotes because to the concept of the Right to Glory has nothing to do. The fact of the substitution of the meaning of the concepts of Vedic Christians has long been known ...
        1. alexander rus.
          alexander rus. 24 May 2013 13: 40
          0
          I accept your comment.
    2. Rrv
      Rrv 24 May 2013 04: 38
      -4
      Quote: koshaus
      To begin with, the words of Jesus from the Bible:
      MATTHEW 15: 24
      "I am sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel"
  • Seraph
    Seraph 24 May 2013 02: 14
    -1
    And the Lord said: "If atheists ask, I am not."
  • Seraph
    Seraph 24 May 2013 02: 15
    +2
    Creed of Atheism
    I believe that there is no God the Creator and the Provider, but there is an eternal and blind Evolution;
    That the universe itself jumped out of nothing, and began to develop itself, despite the increasing chaos.
    I believe that as a result, by chance, cosmos emerged from chaos, life from death, and reason from madness.
    I recognize the theory of the Big Bang, which created heaven and earth, and everything visible and invisible, and a single evolutionary hypothesis, from a singular point through stardust, and amoebas, to Darwin to Oparin, they created everything: they are for us, the supreme priests, and for our enlightenment's sake, they created and developed a hypothesis, and substantiated it in terms of physics and biology.
    And in an experiment, from theory to practice, an ascending and evolutionary theory confirms, despite the facts;
    I believe in a single, holy and gigantic fluctuation.
    I profess humanism, liberalism, communism;
    I look forward to turning into humus and the thermal death of the universe,
    Amen.
    1. alexander rus.
      alexander rus. 24 May 2013 03: 32
      0
      Comrade, visit the doctor. You may have clouding in your brain.
      1. Agafangel
        Agafangel 24 May 2013 17: 47
        +2
        Come on! Zdorovsky same "The Symbol of Faith of Atheism." Atheists scoff at the Orthodox as they want. And as a believer mocked atheists, so he immediately went to the doctor.
    2. Rrv
      Rrv 24 May 2013 04: 40
      -1
      Quote: Seraphim
      Creed of Atheism
      I believe that there is no God the Creator and the Provider, but there is an eternal and blind Evolution;
      That the universe itself jumped out of nothing, and began to develop itself, despite the increasing chaos.
      I believe that as a result, by chance, cosmos emerged from chaos, life from death, and reason from madness.
      I recognize the theory of the Big Bang, which created heaven and earth, and everything visible and invisible, and a single evolutionary hypothesis, from a singular point through stardust, and amoebas, to Darwin to Oparin, they created everything: they are for us, the supreme priests, and for our enlightenment's sake, they created and developed a hypothesis, and substantiated it in terms of physics and biology.
      And in an experiment, from theory to practice, an ascending and evolutionary theory confirms, despite the facts;
      I believe in a single, holy and gigantic fluctuation.
      I profess humanism, liberalism, communism;
      I look forward to turning into humus and the thermal death of the universe,
      Amen.
      1. Seraph
        Seraph 24 May 2013 04: 43
        +3
        bold atheists only with a can of beer, at home on the couch. it's true
        1. Rrv
          Rrv 24 May 2013 05: 33
          -2
          Bullshit. Although many indeed try to redeem their lives in this way, which once again proves that religion and faith are set on fire if fear disappears.
          1. Rrv
            Rrv 24 May 2013 05: 34
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            1. GreatRussia
              GreatRussia 24 May 2013 08: 28
              +3
              Incomplete slogan. That would be more correct:

              Militant AXLESS is a business for the sick and the unfortunate, to whom they do not care, unlike:



        2. reichsmarshal
          reichsmarshal 26 May 2013 09: 35
          -1
          When they say that there are no atheists in the trenches, this is not an argument against atheists. This is an argument against the trenches. And in general - the believers in 1914-1917 were in the trenches - and where are they now? And atheists in 1941-1945 were not sitting in trenches, but riding tanks. To Berlin!
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  • Seraph
    Seraph 24 May 2013 02: 24
    -1
    So we shouldn't be proud of Suvorov and Dostoevsky? Well, they are not self-minded people, they rubbed something in in childhood and they have lived like this all their lives as burdocks. And for me, it’s you who have been read by the "Young Atheist" since childhood and have not begun to think independently

    “I don’t believe in God!” Said the atheist.
    - Mutually! God thought. And the atheist disappeared ...
    1. reichsmarshal
      reichsmarshal 26 May 2013 09: 33
      -1
      Dostoevsky is a banal schizophrenic who suffered from graphomania with a religious bias. This is not a reason for mourning, but not for pride. A.V.Suvorov is a bloody executioner, the vile geek of that full-time serfdom, which was first established in our country by the Rurikovichs, then the Romanovs. Most of his VICTORY was won through the ruthless sacrifice of the Austrian allies. And when they were tired of being cannon fodder, they ate ... quickly, and Suvorov had to drape without pants across the Alps.
      1. Seraph
        Seraph 29 May 2013 02: 29
        +1
        Well, the bestial grin of Russophobia was laid bare! this revelation was not enough to make a correct diagnosis
        "AV Suvorov is a bloody executioner, a vile bastard," said the "patriot" Reichsmarshal, drank more schnapps and yelled at the top of his throat "Deutchland, Deutchland uber alles!"
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    1. Seraph
      Seraph 24 May 2013 02: 44
      -2
      Well, your fellow atheist is not mentally engaged in cannibalism: all sorts of supplements from aborted babies.
      1. koshaus
        koshaus 24 May 2013 02: 49
        0
        And why did you get the idea that I am an atheist, from the fact that I show the false essence of Christianity?
        So can you object to the facts of necrophilia and mental cannibalism in Christianity?
        1. Sergey_K
          Sergey_K 24 May 2013 03: 39
          +4
          And I'm an atheist. Rather, I would like God to be, everything would be much simpler. But he is not ... Unfortunately ...

          By the way, with the name of God, so many crimes were committed on the lips. That all atheists just smoke on the sidelines.
        2. Seraph
          Seraph 24 May 2013 04: 04
          +1
          and how do you justify the processing of aborted babies into creams and ointments?
          1. Sergey_K
            Sergey_K 24 May 2013 04: 09
            -1
            And what should justify? It's already four in the morning, don’t forget who gets up early - God serves! Go to sleep.
          2. koshaus
            koshaus 24 May 2013 08: 16
            0
            The question is not addressed, I am not one of those who sends babies for processing into creams and ointments, and I do not belong to government officials who do not interfere with this. But you personally clearly position yourself as a Christian and therefore you are obliged to answer the question of necrophilia and mental cannibalism in Christianity !!!
            1. Agafangel
              Agafangel 24 May 2013 17: 54
              +2
              what are you talking about? What a necrophilia and cannibalism in Christianity. Have you ever read the commandments of Christ ?! I’m not talking about the gospel. It seems you also had to go to bed earlier
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              2. koshaus
                koshaus 27 May 2013 12: 18
                0
                Necrophilia in Christianity is the worship of the so-called "holy relics" that is, dried parts of the human body, and mental cannibalism is contained in the magic ritual "Eat and drink the blood of the Lord."
                ps a convincing request not to delete my comment, but to try nevertheless to reasonably prove that the facts stated in it (in my comment) are not true ...
    2. Seraph
      Seraph 24 May 2013 04: 05
      -2
      haven't you lost?
    3. Rrv
      Rrv 24 May 2013 04: 43
      +2
      Quote: koshaus
      What normal person would do necrophilia? T.N. Christians worship dried parts of the human body and even "sanctify" food with them, but many know about the mental cannibalism of the "Orthodox", these sick people perform magic rituals where they imagine that they eat flesh and drink the blood of their Jewish god. Can such people lead their homeland to prosperity?


      Canibalism is far from mental - "Orthodox" Christian MUST BELIEVEthat body and blood REAL
  • koshaus
    koshaus 24 May 2013 02: 38
    +2
    No need to engage in verbal speculation is a sign of a narrow mind. It is clear to any educated person that you can be a decent person of great talent, do great things, and at the same time sincerely be mistaken in matters of world order and accept religious dogmas for faith, hammered from childhood, without thinking about their loyalty.
    Further. Define God, how he acts, how he looks and where he is, etc. Then let’s talk about godlessness and the inability to think independently ...
    1. Agafangel
      Agafangel 24 May 2013 17: 58
      0
      Listen, you ask such funny questions ?! These are questions for preschoolers. "The definition of God", He is also God, because there is no definition for him. Read the scripture, it specifically describes what God the Father looks like and what Christ looks like. And He sits on a cloud)))
      1. koshaus
        koshaus 25 May 2013 11: 12
        0
        If you cannot give an exact definition, description of some phenomenon, object or something else that you are trying to talk about, then you don’t know ANYTHING about it or simply taking ON FAITH statements made by someone (even in the “holy” for what then the sects of the book) are trying to argue with which, again, completely unproven. Any statements that are not supported by convincing arguments that are accepted ON FAITH cannot claim the status of indisputable, because everyone can believe in anything, but in order to defend the correctness of his belief in something, the believer must have convincing and indisputable arguments, Christians do not have them and never will It was...
  • Seraph
    Seraph 24 May 2013 02: 47
    -2
    since it’s boring to communicate with atheists in general, I’ll conclude today's comments with a quote from a man they respect, whose words the godless God-worshipers sacredly honor and fulfill:
    "But one thing we must be adamant about: any petitions of the church expressing its intention to intervene in worldly affairs must be unconditionally rejected by the state, which should not even consider them." (A. Hitler, said 04.07.1942. From the book "Hitler's Table Talks")
    1. koshaus
      koshaus 24 May 2013 02: 54
      +1
      When there is nothing to object to the essence of the convincing arguments presented, it’s better not to write anything at all ....
      1. Agafangel
        Agafangel 24 May 2013 18: 03
        0
        Why answer such stupid questions. Whoever asks such questions discovers that he has never read anything about Orthodoxy. I have not read the Holy Scriptures, the Bible, the books of the smartest people who have become saints. This is illiteracy and ignorance of the issue. Have read a lot of dirt in the internet and let's prove your atheism with foam at the mouth. If you don't know anything about Orthodoxy, "it's better not to write anything at all."
        1. koshaus
          koshaus 25 May 2013 11: 18
          0
          You know that your so-called. "Orthodoxy" is referred to throughout the world as the Russian Orthodox Church, the Russian Orthodox Church. And has nothing to do with the term Orthodoxy (from the Vedic Pravit Pravit), impudently appropriated by the priests of the Russian Orthodox Church?
          1. Seraph
            Seraph 29 May 2013 02: 38
            0
            another spy got burned. if you are interested in the naming of our Russian Orthodox Church as "friends" abroad and in their language (and therefore in their meanings, since language is the very essence of the thought process) you are looking for support for your opposition, albeit unpleasant to you personally, but nevertheless phenomena of RUSSIAN life, then the logical conclusion will be: you are a Russophobe. ardent, atheistic, Western-philistine-Russophobe
          2. Seraph
            Seraph 29 May 2013 02: 59
            0
            and further. if you are such a linguistic-internationalist, then you should know that Russians in all the west you adore are most often disparagingly referred to as ruski (races), like our expressions "amer", "lyakh", "chich". And since you correlate your opinion about Russia and its internal life with the English-speaking culture, you should like this:
            I love Old Glory and homemade pie
            I think them Ruskies should be sterilized
            I love my chicken Kentucky Fried ...
            Finger Lickin 'Good!'
            Alice Cooper I love America (1983)
            Are you also for sterilizing the Russians?
  • rpek32
    rpek32 24 May 2013 02: 53
    0
    And we, God willing, will still live if we are inspired by the feat of our order-bearing meek winners, learning from them this irrational and uncomplicated virtue, which, unfortunately, is becoming less and less in society.

    Hope for God, but don’t be bad.
    And we will live only if the "neighbors" do not actively interfere with life.
  • Sergey_K
    Sergey_K 24 May 2013 03: 28
    +7
    "Do you remember what fate befell the terrorists who killed 1972 athletes of the Israeli Olympic team in Munich in 11? A special department was created in the Mossad to exterminate the criminals involved in the terrorist attack. Six years and five months later, all the bandits were killed by gangster methods in different parts And the ninety-year-old Nazi criminals are still being sought by Israeli activists who have dedicated their entire lives to hatred and revenge. "
    - Absolutely good undertaking. I support the Jews! The inevitability of punishment is the only thing that stops the scum from bad deeds.
    "We actually did not have any serious campaigns of conquest (when compared with the history of other countries)."
    - Oh yeah. Not at all ...
    “Who do we, Russians, hate, ordinary people, who are in the majority? It's hard to answer. Somehow I can't even believe it myself, but essentially nobody.”
    - We love everyone. Rodents, Hachey, Chock, Xoxlov, Sprats, Geyropov, Yankee, Bulbasha, Narrow-film - we love everyone ...
    Uncle pisses in his ears as it should. Tolerastia = death! By the way, there is nothing strange or original in the calls for tolerance. Look for money everywhere - and you will find the answer to any question.
    When they say that something needs to be done for the idea, then the allocated funds have already been stolen.
    When they say that you can’t do without chocks, then a good business is built on this.
    And if a mess, then write memoirs in France. How stupid Russians did not understand the good intentions of the rulers and raised them to the pitchfork ...
    PS
    You can start to minus.
    1. Sergey_K
      Sergey_K 24 May 2013 03: 50
      +5
      I forgot to write, the plump face beguiled. In our fairy tales, old people are not, but usually wise people who resolve any issue or situation with advice. Where did he get the "selfish-silly"? In what fairy tale?
  • Seraph
    Seraph 24 May 2013 04: 01
    +2
    now, this is instead of a collective portrait of all who violently attack Christ and His Church
    1. Sergey_K
      Sergey_K 24 May 2013 04: 12
      +3
      I understand that the first celebrate the holiday of spring and rebirth. The second is a Scot. And the third is a tax commission? I hate them all too ...))
      1. Seraph
        Seraph 24 May 2013 04: 48
        -3
        first paw imitation of a member of some idol. second homosexual. but the third "goths" like. and all have claims to the patriarch and the Church.
        and here's the news
        The chairman of the atheist society complained about the small number of atheists united in the organization. "There are even fewer of us than homosexuals. They are more united," he said. http://www.interfax-religion.ru/orthodoxy/?act=mosaic&div=590
        Atheists are Less Than Homosexuals
        good news from the mouth of the main atheist of Moscow
    2. koshaus
      koshaus 24 May 2013 08: 26
      0
      You probably very regret that Christians can no longer burn at the stake everyone they don’t want?
      1. Agafangel
        Agafangel 24 May 2013 18: 28
        +1
        you forgot that thousands of Christians destroyed it: priests, monks, lay believers during the years of Soviet rule. You probably remembered the Catholic Church and their bonfires. So Orthodoxy is a little different. Take a look at the story, so as not to disgrace. We, dear, do not live in France
        1. koshaus
          koshaus 25 May 2013 11: 43
          0
          Actually, you are already disgraced by voicing a clear lie.
          quote:
          Cathedral Code of 1649
          CHAPTER I 70
          AND IN IT 9 ARTICLES ABOUT THE BLESSTERS AND ON CHURCH REBELS
          1. There will be those of other faiths, no matter how awake faith, or Russian
          man, blame the Lord God and Savior Jesus
          Christ, or the Mother of God, who gave birth to His Most Holy Mother of God, and
          To the Virgin Mary, or to the honest cross, or to His Saints
          siblings, and about that to find all sorts of detectives tightly. Let it be
          seeking out something straightforward, and convicting that blasphemer, execute,
          LIGHT.
          1. Seraph
            Seraph 29 May 2013 03: 08
            0
            The proof of what is the text you quoted? The cathedral code of 1649 is a code of laws of the Moscow state, and not of the Russian Church, which at that time lived according to the rules of the "Leader of the Book" (which, of course, you did not know - Pionerskaya Pravda did not write about this).
            To develop the draft Code, a special commission was created, headed by Prince N. I. Odoevsky. It included Prince Semyon Prozorovsky, the deceased prince Fyodor Volkonsky and two clerks - Gavrila Leontyev and Fyodor Griboedov. This is a typical secular institution, little diluted by Church representatives who did not have a decisive voice.
            THIS DECISION IS NOT CHURCH, BUT SIMPLE CITIZENS OF THE RUSSIAN STATE OF THIS ERA.
        2. koshaus
          koshaus 25 May 2013 12: 00
          -1
          Regarding the thousands of priests and monks allegedly destroyed during the Soviet era ...
          You know that under the tsar, the church was fully supported by the state, that is, the salaries of the priests and even the servants were paid by the state under the priests, the repair and construction of churches, again in the overwhelming majority of cases, were paid by the state. With the coming to power of the Bolsheviks, the state building changed and the Bolsheviks did not begin to pay for the priest's living and, accordingly, the repair and construction of new churches. Priests rushed into the world, you need to eat. This is one of the reasons for the desolation and destruction of many churches. Another reason why churches were actually destroyed by the people and some representatives of the so-called. the clergy is that Christianity in Russia never took root, just as it was not imposed by the priests along with the repressive articles of the tsarist "Code of Punishments", the people can be said overnight from a deeply believer turned into a completely unbeliever, because it was no longer necessary to pretend and are afraid of criminal punishment for deviating from the faith. If Christianity fell on the soul of the Russian people, would he have gone after 1000 years of "faith in Christ" in Russia to kill priests, smash churches and kill his brothers. A small child with proper upbringing in 15 years can be made a decent person with an established outlook on life, but here in 1000 years NOTHING !!! No spirituality was instilled in the people !!!
  • sashka
    sashka 24 May 2013 05: 46
    +1
    God is a state of Soul, your second "I". Without oneself, one cannot do anything or go somewhere. To prove the presence or absence of oneself is foolish ...
    1. reichsmarshal
      reichsmarshal 26 May 2013 09: 27
      0
      Haloperidol and a straitjacket - in the studio. Diagnosis: Orthodoxy of the brain. Surgical treatment only: amputation.
      1. Seraph
        Seraph 29 May 2013 03: 13
        0
        Reichsmarschall epicrisis: evil pseudo-patriotic dullness, pagan frenzy, Russophobia, latent Nazism, bad manners, flawed consciousness, occultism. It does not give in to treatment.
  • ed65b
    ed65b 24 May 2013 07: 48
    +1
    The descendants of Isaac - the Jews - still hate the descendants of his brother Ishmael - the Arabs.

    And the Jews do not like to admit that they and the animals are Arab brothers.
    1. Seraph
      Seraph 29 May 2013 03: 14
      0
      this, in fact, was written. half-brothers, one father, different mothers. we have recently called the Arabs the Ishmaelites
  • gansik
    gansik 24 May 2013 07: 59
    +8
    Feminism - to the first worthy man.
    Communism - until the first personal capital.
    Atheism - until the first jolt in flight.
    1. Uncle
      Uncle 24 May 2013 19: 05
      0
      Quote: Hansik
      Feminism - to the first worthy man.
      Communism - until the first personal capital.
      Atheism - until the first jolt in flight.

      Well done, well said.
    2. reichsmarshal
      reichsmarshal 26 May 2013 09: 25
      0
      It is precisely said - all Hansiks have the inscription "Gott mit uns" on their belt badges. Good comrade Stalin didn’t cut you enough in 1945.
      1. Seraph
        Seraph 29 May 2013 03: 17
        0
        Ha ha ha Citizen Joseph Goebbels, who confused his post as Reich Minister with the Reich Marshal, accuses others of Nazism! here is scream!
  • Vitali-46
    Vitali-46 24 May 2013 10: 32
    +6
    Peace to your home ORTHODOX, AND NOT ORTHODOX! 23 05 2013. That is, yesterday, was a memorial day for the Warrior Martyr Evgeny Rodionov! The Russian warrior was born on May 23, 1977, and on May 23, in 1996, he was martyred at the hands of Chechen bandits.

    Eugene was drafted into the army and served in the border troops on the administrative border of Chechnya and Ingushetia. In the winter of 1996, he and three of his fellow soldiers Andrei Trusov, Alexander Zheleznov and Igor Yakovlev were captured by Chechen bandits: at night a minibus with the inscription "ambulance" drove up to the PKK. Fifteen healthy bullocks, armed to the teeth, jumped out. The soldiers did not surrender without a fight. There are traces of blood on the asphalt.

    They were starved, beaten every day, tortured by hanging them on a rack. From the first day of the 100-day captivity, seeing the Cross on Zhenya's neck, the bandits tried to "break" him and force him to accept their faith. They wanted to force him to torture and kill soldiers like him - boys. Eugene flatly refused. He was beaten. They said: "Take off the Cross and you will live!" And these are not empty words. The gang leaders themselves then assured Yevgeny's mother, Lyubov Vasilievna: "Become your son one of us, and we would not offend him."

    The denouement took place on Evgeny's birthday. May 23, 1996 Zhenya turned 19 years old. Together with the rest of the soldiers, he was taken into the forest near Bamut. First, they killed friends, those with whom he was on his last border guard. Then they offered the last time: "Take off the Cross! We swear by Allah that you will live!" Eugene did not take off. And then he was executed in cold blood. It is scary, as in an ancient pagan sacrificial ritual - the head of a living person was cut off.

    Only a few months later, his mother, now known throughout Russia, Lyubov Vasilievna Rodionova, managed to find and ransom the body of her son from the bandits. Lyubov Vasilievna sold everything. Things, an apartment, a piece of clothing. She was left alone. Almost without housing, without funds, without elementary moral support. People shied away from the unfortunate, as from a leper - "their troubles in bulk." Even the Order of Courage was given to her quietly. I have a question for you, gentlemen, who are here with foam on their lips, claim that there is no GOD, that we are all monkeys (since man descended from her), etc., etc. What would you do if you were in Eugene's place ? The answer is simple !! You would convert to Islam! By doing so, saving your life !! And at the same time BETRAYING your parents, HOMELAND, AND EVERYTHING THAT IS CONNECTED WITH IT !! That's what an ORTHODOX PERSON differs from an UNBELIEVER!

    Regards to you !!!
    1. redwolf_13
      redwolf_13 24 May 2013 17: 17
      +1
      You famously Vitaly-46 wrapped everyone and painted in black and white. Only this was the question: 3 soldiers tortured everyone, killed everyone, and they made only one as a martyr. Either the other 2 were tormented less, or they did not wear a cross, which means they were unworthy of human memory and they did not have mothers. Or maybe they were scary to think atheists were. Eternal memory to the soldiers of the fallen. But it is not necessary to divide them into believers and not so necessary. In the trench, everyone is equal. Both a peasant and a Muslim. There is no difference. And to say such things that an atheist is a traitor, just forgive ugly. No need to throw words and even more so.
    2. Uncle
      Uncle 24 May 2013 19: 08
      +1
      Vitaliy 46, thanks for the reminder of the warrior Eugene!
    3. koshaus
      koshaus 25 May 2013 14: 13
      +1
      Answer, do you really believe that as one, our soldiers who died in World War II, in Afghanistan, in Chechnya wore crosses and were believers? And do you really think that all as one unbelievers in the Jewish God have dithered and joined the German army or converted to Islam in Afghanistan and Chechnya to fight against their own, huh?
      Is your head all right?
      Our Motherland and your religion are not the same !!! Can't your brains, washed by religion, master the fact that you can selflessly love your Motherland without faith in your Jewish God !! The Great Patriotic War was won by ordinary people, most of them atheists, who shouted going into the attack: "For the Motherland! For Stalin !!" They did not shout "Glory to Zion !! The Jewish God is with us, we will win !!!"
      Now tell me, when was the last time (or maybe never) with your co-religionists to protest against the criminal thieves regime of Putin, destroying our Motherland, against raising prices for everything and everything, against propaganda of debauchery, violence and theft broadcast through the media, against humiliation of war veterans? Have you ever done this? You call all unbelievers in your Jewish god traitors, and what do you do for the prosperity of our homeland, eh? Pray to the Jewish god?
  • fartfraer
    fartfraer 24 May 2013 10: 53
    0
    I read the comments and understood only one thing - the "people of God" are far from the commandments) they do not forgive their neighbors, they are rude, they lie. I would understand if atheists did this, however, as it turned out, "non-Christians" have much more concepts about human respect, the arguments are more reasoned and the conclusions are more balanced) if I were not an atheist, I would have become one after reading the comments in this post)
    1. Agafangel
      Agafangel 24 May 2013 18: 18
      0
      Something you did not carefully read as atheists are rude. And the site deleted many of their comments, they were too far apart. And the "people of God" only defended themselves from their rudeness and lies
  • Opera
    Opera 24 May 2013 10: 54
    +3
    Russia did not start with a sword,
    She began with a scythe and a plow,
    Not because the blood is not hot,
    But because the Russian shoulder,
    Never in my life has anger touched ...

    In the hands of the merry only from labor,
    By good nature, sometimes not immediately,
    Retribution rose! Wow!
    But there was never a thirst for blood ...

    But only meanness rejoiced in vain,
    With a hero jokes are not long-lived,
    Yes, you can fool a hero
    But to win this is already pipes ...

    And in the battle with the most fierce war,
    She and hell managed to overcome
    Her bailing cities are heroes
    In the fireworks on a festive night

    And my country is always strong
    That didn’t humiliate anyone anywhere
    Kindness is stronger than war
    As disinterestedness is more effective than a sting.

    The dawn rises, bright and hot,
    And it will be so indestructible in a century.
    Russia did not start with a sword.
    And therefore it is invincible!

    Excerpt from the poem by E. Asadov

    This is what this article is about if anyone does not understand.