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Georgia will do whatever the United States wants

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Georgia will do whatever the United States wantsOn the possible war in Karabakh and Iran, on the role of Georgia and Russia in it, "Rosbalt" was told by a Georgian diplomat, political scientist and conflict analyst Hamlet Chipashvili.


- Apparently, the situation in the Caucasus region is heating up. Experts predict a new Karabakh war. How real is it in the near future?

- It is far from the Karabakh war, or it will not exist at all, although border clashes are frequent, and even end with the death of people. I guess this will continue. Of course, the statements of Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev are quite tough and belligerent. Now Azerbaijan has a lot of own and imported weapons, and he thinks that he will overcome Armenia in the new war. The point, however, is that Aliyev cannot single-handedly resolve the issue of the outbreak of hostilities opposed by Europe, the USA and Turkey. They categorically warned Baku: not only that military actions, but also belligerent rhetoric will have a bad effect on Azerbaijan. But if the war does begin, it will be short-term and will not go beyond the limits of Transcaucasia.

Much more serious is the question of Iran. Americans, it seems, understand that the consequences will be very serious. However, in the Oval Office the possibility of war is considered. Israel will start it - it is he who is most afraid of the creation of a nuclear bomb by Iran.

Iran is already enriching uranium to 20%, it has many centrifuges. 20% nomination is widely used in medicine - Iranian medicine is highly valued in the Middle East. In addition, Iran, thanks to Russia, has a nuclear power plant, and, accordingly, is interested in self-enrichment of uranium. The Americans believe that uranium enrichment can be reduced to 90%, under which Iran can create nuclear weapon, during two years. Some time ago, the IAEA and other structures proposed Iran to enrich uranium for it in Europe and Russia, and then evacuate the remnants. Iran agreed to this. But Russia and Europeans took their words back. Accordingly, Iran has nothing left but to continue to enrich uranium.

I would like to emphasize that the spiritual leader of Iran, Khamenei, issued a fatwa a year ago, that is, a ban on the production of any weapons of mass destruction in the country. But the West does not believe this, although in Shiism, the order of the spiritual leader is obligatory for execution by absolutely everyone. In a word, I think, Iran does not want any bombs right now, it seeks to enrich uranium to 80%, and only if absolutely necessary to bring the matter to the end.

- Anyway, there is a feeling that Israel and the United States have made a decision and are now looking for reasons to attack Iran.

- In fact of the matter. An interesting point: the UN Commission concluded that the chemical weapons that were found in Syria during the fighting were not used by government forces, but by militants fighting against the authorities. Just the next day, American officials still said that it was not. And in the case of Iran, the situation is similar - it stood across the throat of both Israel and the Americans, since it is a very serious player in the Middle East. Firstly, Iran is closely linked with Syria, secondly, with Hezbollah in Jordan and with Hamas in Palestine. The Americans, despite holding honest elections in Palestine, did not recognize the victory of Hamas and declared Gaza Strip a terrorist territory. But what to do, the fact of the legitimacy of Hamas is obvious.

- How will Russia, Georgia and Armenia behave if Iran is attacked?

- Russia will not enter the war directly. But she and China are interested parties, and Russia will certainly help Iran with weapons. In addition, Russia will have problems with its military base in the Armenian city of Gyumri. Some time ago, due to the aggravation of the situation around Iran, Russia already had to evacuate women and children from this base. Later, when the situation was discharged, they were returned back. Of course, Armenia will be on the side of Russia, and, accordingly, of neighboring Iran, and Georgia will be on the side of the United States and NATO, this is guaranteed.

- Do I understand correctly that Georgia will not open a corridor for Russia to Iran through Armenia?

- For the supply of weapons to Iran, Russia does not need the Georgian corridor - for this, the Caspian Sea exists. In the event of a threat to a military base in Gyumri, the corridor will become necessary, but Georgia will not open it, and Russia will do it without Tbilisi’s demand.

- That is, it will invade the territory of Georgia. What will the Americans do in this case?

- Of course, they will not like it, but they will not suspend the advance of the Russian troops - this is tantamount to a war on the territory of Georgia. Americans just close their eyes to the actions of Russia, as local.

- What do you think Georgia should do in order not to suffer from foreign military clashes and, at the same time, not to quarrel with Russia and the West?

- In due time, with obtaining independence, it should distance itself from America, from Russia, and from Europe. That is, to pursue a neutral policy. It is not too late now, although it is rather difficult. Georgia has few opportunities to choose from, but neutrality is still the best way out. Neutrality is not given simply, it must be agreed with the neighbors, the issue to the UN Security Council, etc. By the way, even before Saakashvili came to power, Russia supported the proclamation of neutrality by Georgia and was even going to help it in this matter. This topic can still be raised, but the current Prime Minister Ivanishvili will not do that. He talks all the time about joining NATO.

- If an attack on Iran takes place, will Georgia provide its strategic partner, the United States, with its own military infrastructure?

“She will do it, whether she wants to or not. However, the Americans and Israelis are unlikely to take military action until July.” 14 will hold presidential elections in Iran in June, and much will depend on their outcome. If Mashai, the successor of current President Ahmadinejad, wins the election, then the war is unlikely to be avoided. The Americans have now promised Israel 3,5 weapons of a billion dollars and air tankers that run bombers right in the air. That is, the Americans, together with Turkey and Israel, will do everything to destroy the Assad regime in Syria, relations between Iran and Syria, Hezbollah and Hamas. And if Iran is ousted from this game, then there will be a big boss again, and as always, America will be.

- Do you think Russian-Azerbaijani relations will deteriorate on the basis of Iran? After all, Russia will support Iran, while the relations of Azerbaijan with this country are far from cloudless.

- Azerbaijan is a special article. He will not quarrel with anyone - neither with Russia, nor with Europe, nor with the United States, although he is the most self-sufficient and richest of the republics of the South Caucasus. Many have criticized the President of Azerbaijan for harshness and dictatorship, but he managed to create - of course, thanks to the large reserves of oil and gas - very stable relations in the South Caucasus. Suffice it to say that in the conditions of the USSR Georgia was considered the center of Transcaucasia, and now the political and economic center has moved to Azerbaijan. This republic is endowed with the ability and ability to maneuver, it has good relations with the United States, NATO and Europe, and normal relations with Russia, apart from some details.

In addition, Azerbaijan has a huge, the largest diaspora in Russia, and he will not risk it. Nor should we forget that Azerbaijan has close contacts with Turkey and other Muslim countries, some of which are not interested in exacerbating Russian-Azerbaijani relations.

I also recall that Azerbaijan is an alternative supplier of energy resources to the West and a promising transit country for Turkmen gas. In particular, it has been a matter of ten years to build a new Nabucco gas pipeline using the territory of Georgia, but this project causes great opposition from Russia. At the expert level, an opinion was even expressed that if the construction of this gas pipeline does begin without coordination with the Caspian littoral states, Russia has the right to bomb it. That is, the signal to Azerbaijan and Turkmenistan has already been given: not to get involved.

But Europe is very interested in this project, and it is being pushed by the United States. The Americans, by the way, want to organize in Maritime police in Azerbaijan, which, in fact, will control not only the South Caucasus, but also the North Caucasus, as well as Iran, Central Asia and China. So the region is very tense, and Russian interests in it will have to be taken into account. No wonder Brzezinski wrote that those who have power in the Eurasian space will influence world politics.

- Will Ivanishvili, against the background of his efforts to settle with Russia, agree to the construction of a new pipeline across Georgian territory? Once he made it clear that some profitable projects have to be abandoned in order not to harm the interests of neighbors. I guess he meant Russia.

- Of course, agree. Georgia is a transit corridor, two export pipelines are already running through its territory. Ivanishvili will not go against the desires of Europe and the United States, which, along with Azerbaijan and Turkmenistan, are the main players of this project. Whether they will eventually go to the construction of Nabucco is another matter.
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  1. fenix57
    fenix57 23 May 2013 06: 14 New
    10
    In my opinion, the main "players" (if I may say so) are amers with a gayrope on the one hand and Russia and China on the other. The "game" is for Syria and Iran, the rest of the states will fulfill the "wishes" of one side or the other .. ...
    1. patline
      patline 23 May 2013 12: 02 New
      0
      If war breaks out there, then Russia does not need to stand on ceremony, as in Georgia on 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX. Troops enter everywhere - both in Georgia and Armenia and Azerbaijan, in short take control of the entire Caucasus. This is probably also thought of in the West,
      The fact, however, is that Aliyev cannot single-handedly resolve the issue of the start of hostilities, which Europe, the USA and Turkey are against. They categorically warned Baku: not only military actions, but also warlike rhetoric will have a bad effect on Azerbaijan.
      maybe for this reason they do not allow Azerbaijan to behave aggressively so as not to provoke Russia.
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 5 June 2013 21: 46 New
        +1
        Troops enter everywhere - and to Georgia and Armenia and Azerbaijan,
        but what about an independent state, borders, the UN, you are my friend not in 1940 and not in 1922 and you can get 3 Poland with (B) inland .... am
  2. tronin.maxim
    tronin.maxim 23 May 2013 06: 14 New
    +9
    An interesting article, there is something to think about.
    1. The comment was deleted.
      1. dc120mm
        dc120mm 23 May 2013 12: 12 New
        -3
        Quote: bask
        Georgia as a country is a political prostitute.

        Oooh! ! ! It’s easier. Speak normally.

        The article is full of garbage. And the journalist understands nothing and the "expert".
        1. krokodil25
          krokodil25 23 May 2013 12: 19 New
          +9
          Quote: dc120mm
          It’s easier. Speak normally.

          Why are you talking about a prostitute and she’s a prostitute in Africa
        2. Curculum
          Curculum 23 May 2013 12: 34 New
          +3
          Quote: dc120mm
          Oooh! ! ! It’s easier. Speak normally.

          Look who's Talking... laughing
        3. Day 11
          Day 11 23 May 2013 12: 42 New
          10
          I don’t want to offend you, but the Turks will eat you soon! When you understand this, the question arises: Who will run for protection? We Russians will certainly save you again. You will thank us, swear eternal friendship and love. The story will repeat our mentality is to blame for everything - we are very sympathetic and empathize with other peoples, we are ready to give the last shirt to someone who is bad, this is our mentality, BUT God forbid that we get angry !!! I judge by myself, maybe there are others (although I doubt it - one mentality)
          1. Day 11
            Day 11 23 May 2013 15: 15 New
            +5
            I want to get better, I consider Russians not only purebred Russians (there probably aren’t such already), but also the same Mordvins, Udmurts, Finno-Ugrians, etc. In general, everyone who shares our values ​​and principles of living together. who wants to create together a single superpower!
        4. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak 23 May 2013 13: 10 New
          +8
          Quote: dc120mm
          The article is full of garbage. And the journalist understands nothing and the "expert".

          Naturally. And the Georgian diplomat Hamlet Chipashvili is complete garbage. Some Internet warriors from Georgia are smart. Why you do not exist in the Georgian government, that’s the question.
          So as not to hurt, my words also refer to the Israeli network fighters of information wars. You are similar in some ways.
        5. mansur
          mansur 23 May 2013 13: 46 New
          +5
          Hamlet Chipashvili is a diplomat, political scientist and conflict expert and he gave this interview to Rosbalt on May 20
          and here are some more articles
          ,, The American managed to fashion such a Georgian as he wanted, "
          Excerpts from the article:

          Today - whether a politician or a citizen - everyone who is not lazy is scolding Russia, but why scolding, they themselves do not know. They do not know history, they do not know Russian-Georgian relations, they are not able to analyze why the number one enemy is Russia, and not, for example, the United States of America.
          We should not blame Russia and Russian politics, but really assess the situation. When it is now said that the St. George Treaty was violated and Russia annexed Georgia, let them esteem what the Georgian tsar and the nobility were begging for. Heraclius faced the physical destruction of the nation. Then the population of Georgia did not reach 400 thousand, and after the collapse of the Soviet Union we were already 5 million.
          Today, the Turks took Adjara without a fight. there was a Turkization of Adjara. There are 23 thousand Turkish families in Batumi. Enterprises and hotels are opening, but no one can work there without knowing the Turkish language. Moreover, a woman called me on one of the programs and in desperation asked for help. Like, the Turk opened a point for delivery of containers. I took the bottles, and he threw them back to me for speaking Georgian.

          Читать далее: http://www.inosmi.ru/caucasus/20120418/190728208.html?id=#ixzz2U6k6DGXm
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          1. Day 11
            Day 11 23 May 2013 13: 58 New
            +1
            That's what I'm talking about, they have already "dried out" Ajaria. And this is just the beginning!
  3. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 23 May 2013 06: 16 New
    +4
    In any case, Georgia will become a bargaining chip. And in the case of warriors with Iran, in which the whole region with all the ensuing consequences will be involved, Georgia will simply be crushed by anyone who is not lazy, it will not be considered as a state in general, it will be simply territory that is advantageous in one way or another.
    1. tronin.maxim
      tronin.maxim 23 May 2013 06: 29 New
      +2
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      it will not be considered as a state in general, it will simply be a territory that is advantageous in one way or another.

      Question: did she do this to herself or did she do so (just a profitable territory)?
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 23 May 2013 06: 32 New
        +4
        Quote: tronin.maxim
        Question: did she do it herself or did she do it

        We also once led on Sneakers hi
    2. valokordin
      valokordin 23 May 2013 06: 55 New
      +2
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      In any case, Georgia will become a bargaining chip. And in the case of warriors with Iran, in which the whole region with all the ensuing consequences will be involved, Georgia will simply be crushed by anyone who is not lazy, it will not be considered as a state in general, it will be simply territory that is advantageous in one way or another.

      Hello, Alexander. In my analysis, the Georgian diplomat is justified and fairly accurate. It follows from this that the war with America is ongoing and will escalate. America fulfills the will of Israel and its Rothsheeds, despite some attacks from the Rockefellers. Russia should (especially liberals) learn that the United States is no friend to us. Russia should exert all its forces to defend itself, but the question is who can be a mobilizing force.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 23 May 2013 07: 04 New
        +8
        Hi Vladimir hi
        Quote: valokordin
        Russia should (especially liberals) learn that the United States is no friend to us.

        Our liberals will not grasp, they receive a salary from them. Who pays, he orders, and our liberals, only performers. Simple paid actors of the same role.
        1. neri73-r
          neri73-r 23 May 2013 11: 31 New
          +1
          And in short - condoms !!!
    3. dc120mm
      dc120mm 23 May 2013 12: 15 New
      -7
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Georgia will simply be crushed by anyone who is not lazy, it will not be considered as a state in general, it will simply be a territory that is advantageous in one way or another.

      tongue Dreamy!
      1. Georgs
        Georgs 23 May 2013 15: 12 New
        +3
        Quote: dc120mm
        Dreamy!

        It's a shame, I understand. But historical practice, my dear, shows that this is the fate (alas!) Of all small countries drawn into the sphere of interests of geopolitical heavyweights
  4. v53993
    v53993 23 May 2013 06: 20 New
    +5
    Georgia will do whatever the United States wants


    Like a prostitute who does everything the pimp requires of her.
    1. OTTO
      OTTO 23 May 2013 14: 49 New
      +1
      Every whim for your money
  5. trenitron
    trenitron 23 May 2013 06: 21 New
    +4
    [In the event of a threat to the military base in Gyumri, the corridor will become necessary, but Georgia will not open it, and Russia itself will do it without Tbilisi’s demand] Yes, of course we won’t ask, knowing that ours are fighting in Gyumri
  6. Delink
    Delink 23 May 2013 06: 34 New
    +2
    It will not be surprising to hear that Georgia will play on the side of the amers.
    1. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 23 May 2013 11: 03 New
      +6
      For many centuries, Georgia has sought and found a way to hide behind the broad back of a defender and a method to live at his expense. Those. parasitize. Nothing changed. Lifestyle continues to evolve in the same direction.
    2. jumpmaster
      jumpmaster 23 May 2013 13: 40 New
      +1
      And so it will be!
  7. Denis
    Denis 23 May 2013 06: 35 New
    +2
    A Georgian diplomat, political scientist and conflict expert told Rosbalt about the possible war in Karabakh and Iran, about the role of Georgia and Russia in it
    And why haven’t you bought a proctologist’s diploma yet?
    This is how much intelligence is needed to compare Russia and them, or is nothing scary with amers?
    So life doesn’t teach that if you just treated a used rubber product, you can easily repeat it
  8. mojohed
    mojohed 23 May 2013 07: 05 New
    +3
    If they want to in the Oval Office, they will spit on the UN Security Council and invade Syria without question. The position of all the Caspian littoral states except Iran is somewhat incomprehensible. If the intervention of the USA, Israel and the Monarchy of the Gulf with Turkey begins in Syria, then how the border states do not understand - they will have to meet refugees and organize some camps, bear the costs + militants then they will be declared true democrats and sent to the forefront. The region will be filled with terrorists and mujahideen from everywhere. NATO aviation will ignore border complaints about violation of their air borders, and invading opposing groups will be inevitable, like crazy rockets of ammunition for their missiles, all this will already be a sign of a growing conflict. The first reports of NATO's invasion of the SAR - this will be equal to the first shots on the Belgian border in 1914 - the beginning of the Third World War. Russia should be an absentee player here - help advisers, weapons and military planning, and China help volunteers and money. If it is possible to contain the blow of the universal people - Newfashists in the SAR, then in the future the USA will face a complete economic and political collapse. Although such comrades have always been able to get out of wars with political and economic benefits, we, even having captured Berlin, eventually lost.
    1. jumpmaster
      jumpmaster 23 May 2013 13: 41 New
      +1
      The perfect logical answer is 100%, I agree !!!
  9. valokordin
    valokordin 23 May 2013 07: 20 New
    +1
    Quote: mojohed
    If they want in the Oval Office, they will spit on the UN Security Council and invade Syria without question

    According to Channel 1, US senators recommended their government to start supplying weapons to the Syrian opposition. "Long live Alqaida"!
  10. pensioner
    pensioner 23 May 2013 07: 32 New
    +2
    Yeah ... Interesting, but when proud Georgians read such forecasts in relation to themselves, do they consider themselves citizens of an independent state or not? It’s probably scary to live in a country in which any large uncle can easily come and trample on? And then they had a choice ... But right now, what remains for them? Only lift up and trample on command. Although the new authorities seem to have a serious attitude (they didn’t even expect it). Look, even the ex-prime minister was shut down ...
  11. taseka
    taseka 23 May 2013 07: 36 New
    +2
    "And Georgia is on the side of the US and NATO, this is guaranteed." - Then why are we jumping with Barzhomi and Khvachkara, which Onishchenko wants to return to our market again?
    1. dc120mm
      dc120mm 23 May 2013 12: 17 New
      0
      Quote: taseka
      "And Georgia is on the side of the US and NATO, this is guaranteed." - Then why are we, Barzhomi and Khvachkara jumping, which Onishchenko wants to return to our market again?

      I say complete garbage, who are Chipashvili? Baltun.
      1. Georgs
        Georgs 23 May 2013 15: 18 New
        +1
        Quote: dc120mm
        I say complete garbage, who are Chipashvili? Baltun.

        Hardly, hardly. Usually people of this rank do not engage in idleness, as a rule, and set out on the basis of meaningful factual material.
        By the way, "baltun" is written with "o".
  12. Horn
    Horn 23 May 2013 07: 41 New
    +2
    Both the Mellebrits and the United States have only one goal in mind. And this goal is Russia! Not by washing, so by rolling, but very hotzza to divide the territory of present-day Russia among the "most worthy". So, this is all just knocking out possible, if not allies, then at least those who sympathize with Russia.
  13. Pavlov A.E.
    Pavlov A.E. 23 May 2013 08: 39 New
    +1
    If our government surrenders to Syria, then Iran will also surrender this as an option.
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 23 May 2013 15: 24 New
      +1
      There are no options!
  14. domokl
    domokl 23 May 2013 09: 22 New
    +5
    The Americans surrendered Georgia to Georgia. The only way for it was that the diplomat suggested that they completely get out of armed conflicts and become neutral. At the present stage, no Georgians will defend. For the main players of this country there is simply no
  15. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 23 May 2013 09: 59 New
    +1
    Americans will have to intervene personally in the war in Iran, because Israel will not be able to deal with it itself, and Russia and China will just need to supply weapons to Iran, and volunteers if there are any. Arrange the Americans for Vietnam and Afghanistan once they want additional things. Georgia has not undertaken any influence on the situation, they will not have.
  16. Restor
    Restor 23 May 2013 10: 16 New
    +1
    However, the Americans and Israelis are unlikely to take military action until July. Presidential elections will be held in Iran on June 14, and much will depend on their outcome. If the election is won by Mashai, the successor to incumbent President Ahmadinejad, then war is unlikely to be avoided.

    How does political scientist Chipashvili have such confidence that the war with Iran will certainly happen this year?
    Until the amers deal with Syria, they certainly will not climb into Iran.
    And in Syria, so far, does not portend a denouement.
    1. Curculum
      Curculum 23 May 2013 12: 32 New
      +3
      Quote: Restor
      How does political scientist Chipashvili have such confidence that the war with Iran will certainly happen this year?

      There are already reasons for this:
      "The US Senate unanimously adopted a resolution approving any form of support for Israel, if it deems it necessary to strike at Iran's nuclear facilities.
      The text of the resolution says: "If the government of Israel is forced to take military action for legitimate self-defense against the Iranian nuclear program, the United States government must stand on the side of Israel and support it with military force, diplomatic, political, military and economic support to protect the territory , the people and existence of Israel. "
      The resolution also calls on the US government to "take whatever steps are necessary" to prevent the creation of an Iranian nuclear bomb. "
      http://www.mignews.com/news/politic/world/230513_72846_46871.html
  17. Dmitry 2246
    Dmitry 2246 23 May 2013 10: 35 New
    +1
    The Caucasus is a sore spot.
    At least let me hold the Olympics, which was built in vain.
    Pleases Abkhazia and 200 km of beach.
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 23 May 2013 10: 42 New
      +2
      Abkhazia is also far from stable. It has been there many times (my friend lives in Babushary) --- there the Turks buy everything in a row (the authorities indulge them), and it’s very problematic for the Russians to buy zemstvos
  18. Day 11
    Day 11 23 May 2013 10: 37 New
    +4
    Question to the respected Alibek: I don’t really understand why Shiite Azerbaijan supports Sunni Turkey against Shiite Iran (like brothers of faith), and Orthodox Armenia for Shiite (Muslim) Iran? How is everything going on there!
    1. xetai9977
      xetai9977 23 May 2013 15: 27 New
      +5
      Since Alibek is not there, I will answer. It is not customary for the Turks to divide Muslims into Shiites and Sunnis. In the Middle Ages, yes, there were excesses. But that was a long time ago. Azerbaijanis and Turks are essentially one people (80% of the words are common), and in any case they will always support each other. Iran is pursuing a policy of suppressing the rights of the 30 million Azerbaijani population. There is not a single school in Azerbaijani in the country. And Iran in every possible way supports Armenia in opposition to Azerbaijan. That is, the policy of "enemies of Azerbaijan, friends of Iran" is being pursued. I will correct you, Armenians are not Orthodox, they are Gregorians.
      1. Day 11
        Day 11 23 May 2013 15: 34 New
        +3
        Thank you for the answer. But I do not agree that they are not Orthodox — they consider themselves to be Eastern Orthodox churches (as it is written on Wiki). Maybe the Armenians here will explain to us? Just, friends, do not fight among themselves!
        1. xetai9977
          xetai9977 23 May 2013 15: 36 New
          +4
          No, Denis. They can write a lot. They are Gregorians. That's for sure.
          1. Day 11
            Day 11 23 May 2013 15: 46 New
            +2
            Why do you have such hatred for each other? How did we live in one state? I just can’t understand where this anger came from? My friend lives in Baku (studied together in Belarus at a military school) -by Russian dad, Azerbaijanian by mother --- this is the same thing you can’t do anywhere! If you are a soldier of the Azerbaijan Army, unsubscribe in PM
            1. xetai9977
              xetai9977 23 May 2013 15: 51 New
              +4
              Dear Denis, how would you feel about aggressors occupying 20% ​​of your homeland, killing tens of thousands of old people, women and children? I am a doctor.
              1. Day 11
                Day 11 23 May 2013 15: 58 New
                0
                I understand you Rauf, but they say the same thing ("Armenians were massacred by whole families") with shouts of Allah the Great! There is a lot of information on the net. I don't want (and I don't have the right) to figure out who is right or wrong, I am only very sorry about the collapse of our country!
                1. xetai9977
                  xetai9977 23 May 2013 17: 19 New
                  -1
                  But Denis, 4 UN resolutions on the seizure of Azerbaijani lands by Armenia were adopted. Then look at any maps of the world. There the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan is not in doubt. So what kind of evidence is still needed !!!
                  1. Day 11
                    Day 11 23 May 2013 17: 38 New
                    0
                    I don’t even know what to tell you. I probably need to come to an agreement somehow. They say that Mount Ararat is native to them, can they somehow try to talk through it? (Not for you, others who are not in the subject-Ararat was taken by the Turks, almost completely)
                    1. Ezhaak
                      Ezhaak 23 May 2013 17: 46 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Den 11
                      They say that...

                      I'll fit in again. Sorry. Well, they say, let them talk. Maybe it was once so. You never know there were empires in the world. So what. They fell apart and were simply destroyed. This does not give the right to say that it was mine N years ago. It was and swam. As the Azerbaijanis say "Var go", which means It was! And no! Am I wrong, Rauf? laughing
                      1. xetai9977
                        xetai9977 23 May 2013 17: 49 New
                        +3
                        To the point, Eugene !!! good
                      2. Day 11
                        Day 11 23 May 2013 17: 57 New
                        0
                        I'm just trying to find their points of mutual interest. The Turks, friends of Azerbaijanis, took away the original Armenian mountain ARARAT, the Armenians can leave Karabakh in exchange for the mountain, and the Turks will get an honest word that the Syrians will not wet them (somehow, the question need to modify)
                      3. xetai9977
                        xetai9977 23 May 2013 18: 21 New
                        +3
                        In fact, the Turks have their own name for the mountain - AGRA. According to international law, it belongs to Turkey. According to the same international law, Karabakh (by the way, in Azerbaijani it is translated as "Black Garden") belongs to Azerbaijan. And as for Syria ... I might be wrong, like the Turks took up arms against Assad for his flirting with the Kurds. I can't answer exactly, I don't know.
                      4. xetai9977
                        xetai9977 23 May 2013 18: 28 New
                        +1
                        It would be better for the Armenians to finally change their minds and cease to have an illusion at the expense of the temporarily occupied territories. Sooner or later, we will recapture what is rightfully ours.
                      5. Day 11
                        Day 11 23 May 2013 18: 37 New
                        +3
                        Rauf, don’t start. I’m just trying to somehow get you talking, at least within the framework of this site. The main thing is that they wouldn’t kill each other! We (Russia) have a base in Gyumri, so they’ll get under the distribution and I, deeply respecting your people (and having a friend in your armed forces), I can’t shoot. Soviet education, there's nothing to be done!
                      6. xetai9977
                        xetai9977 23 May 2013 18: 46 New
                        +2
                        DEN
                        No, Denis, and I don’t think it will start. And your base in Gyumri is absolutely not in danger, and from any side. Moreover, many here are afraid that you might be involved in provocation. And so where is Gyumri and where is Karabakh. By the way, on the next branch is a very good article KENGERLINSKAYA KONNITSA.
                      7. smersh70
                        smersh70 5 June 2013 21: 56 New
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                        Quote: Den 11
                        Rauf, don’t start. I’m just trying to somehow get you talking, at least within the framework of this site. The main thing is that they wouldn’t kill each other! We (Russia) have a base in Gyumri, so they’ll get under the distribution and I, deeply respecting your people (and having a friend in your armed forces), I can’t shoot. Soviet education, there's nothing to be done!

                        Thank you !! true o (v) herzer of the Russian Army !!!!!!!!!! drinks
                  2. old man54
                    old man54 24 May 2013 18: 20 New
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                    Quote: xetai9977
                    Actually, the Turks have their own name of the mountain-AGRA. According to international law, it belongs to Turkey.

                    According to international law, Mount Arart began to belong to Turkey since 1918, after the signing of the Brest Peace by Lenny, because Turkey screamed that she also wants territory, because also fought with Russia in the 1st MV (but did not win a single serious battle of little Malomsky, but only lost). And since then, a large piece of the territory where the Armenians lived belongs to Turkey. And even when, after the 1st MV, England in 1920 barbarously dismembered the Turkish empire, this part of Russia was not returned to Turkey from the losing war. Personally, I regret very much that Turkey did not get involved in the 2nd MV and the German side again, and she really wanted it, then we would have every legitimate right to revenge, Arart would be returned, and having completely defeated their troops we would have taken the straits to ourselves, Well, at least the Bosphorus with Constantinople for sure !!!
                2. Ezhaak
                  Ezhaak 23 May 2013 18: 36 New
                  -2
                  I very much doubt that in exchange for the mountain Karabakh will be returned. About this I am steadily hinting strongly tingling my White Hair.
                  Especially for Denis. In youth, they said about their hunches that the white hair growing between the buttocks (in the zope) was prickling, hinting. laughing
                3. Day 11
                  Day 11 23 May 2013 18: 44 New
                  +1
                  Well done, appreciated your humor smile Do not get carried away with this humor. IMHO am
                4. Ezhaak
                  Ezhaak 23 May 2013 18: 52 New
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                  Quote: Den 11
                  Do not get carried away with this humor

                  Then they scattered. I love to laugh. Yes, and Rauf turned off. You need to calm down. And he rightly does that he does not want to talk on a number of topics. From the experience of communication on other "peaceful" forums, if a rival party appears, one can easily expect insults too. They will be removed from the site, but they will come to the addressee and not only to the mail.
                  All the best. I ran away.
        2. xetai9977
          xetai9977 23 May 2013 17: 46 New
          -1
          I don’t want to talk about this people. I’ll only say one thing. They said that in the future all languages ​​will disappear and humanity will speak a single Armenian language. Comments are redundant.
      2. Denis
        Denis 23 May 2013 19: 37 New
        +2
        Quote: xetai9977
        4 UN resolutions adopted
        In the territorial dispute I know a little about this, I don’t turn on, but the credibility and impartiality of this becoming dubious office is more likely to arouse confidence in the opposite. Do you really support ALL their resolutions?
        1. xetai9977
          xetai9977 23 May 2013 20: 52 New
          +1
          At the expense of UN authority, I have no doubt. It is zero. It is much noteworthy that ALL states of the world represented in the UN recognize Karabakh as the territory of Azerbaijan.
    2. smersh70
      smersh70 5 June 2013 21: 49 New
      +1
      well, at worst, look at Lavrov’s speech. where he talks about the inadmissibility of the status quo (about the occupation of 20% of our lands) ......
  • old man54
    old man54 24 May 2013 18: 09 New
    0
    Gregorianism is the local Armenian version of Christianity. In Europe, "Christians" are also far from homogeneous: Catholics, Protestants, Anglicans, and so on!
  • Ezhaak
    Ezhaak 23 May 2013 16: 59 New
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    Quote: Den 11
    they attribute themselves to the ancient Eastern Orthodox churches

    Can I intervene a bit? It is not so important to whom they relate themselves. Remind me in which religion there is a higher rank similar to Catholicos of All Armenians? I don’t remember anything similar in Christianity. Moreover, I doubt that non-Armenians will be accepted into the fold of the Gregorian church. Although the entrance to the temple is not ordered to anyone.
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 23 May 2013 17: 06 New
      +4
      Dear Eugene, to be honest, I’m not strong on this issue. I just wrote what I read on Wiki. And I have familiar Armenians who go to our Orthodox churches and also pray.
      1. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 23 May 2013 17: 18 New
        +1
        Quote: Den 11
        I just wrote what I read on Wiki.

        Yes, Denis, I also read your words about Vicki. By all the rules of all religions, churches are open for visits by representatives of other faiths. I don’t know exactly about the synagogues. But in fact, in fact, anyone can go into the Orthodox church and pray, and nobody will drive him away. Similarly with the Gregorian temples. They are essentially similar. The difference in the shape of the cross. And the external differences probably end there.
        Sometimes I doubt Vicki’s words. It all depends on who wrote it and how much the author is biased towards writing articles there.
        1. Day 11
          Day 11 23 May 2013 17: 25 New
          +1
          Maybe, maybe. I am not strong in this matter. Probably I ask stupid questions about Sunni Shiite. It’s interesting to talk with you!
          1. xetai9977
            xetai9977 23 May 2013 17: 27 New
            0
            Mutually, Denis !!!
  • Yarbay
    Yarbay 5 June 2013 21: 50 New
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    Quote: Den 11
    Question to the respected Alibek: I don’t really understand why Shiite Azerbaijan supports Sunni Turkey against Shiite Iran (like brothers of faith), and Orthodox Armenia for Shiite (Muslim) Iran? How is everything going on there!

    Hi Denis!
    I will tell you what I know and how I see the situation!
    It’s not for nothing that I always emphasize that there is not much difference between Sunnis and Shiites! What they write about the big differences between them is not true and is biased!
    The fact is that from the very beginning of the events in Karabakh, Iran, as a state, taking a typically neutral position, provided assistance to Armenia! First, mainly economic and political!
    The question is, what I already wrote about this in Iran, the top is not conducting an Islamic policy, but a nationalist one!
    Iran does not need a strong neighbor with 30 million compatriots on the border!
    Imagine that only in 2010, Ayatollah Khamenei distributed a fatwa that Karabakh is the land of Muslims and that all kinds of affairs with the occupiers in Karabakh haram !! But all the same, Iran’s economic ties with Armenia did not stop! That is, it was clear that this was a political move, when pressure from the West started on Iran! High-ranking military men from Iran constantly traveled to Armenia and even once a plane crashed with a whole group of Iranian top officers flying to Armenia!
    Iran actively conducted subversive activities in Azerbaijan during the war years!
    I remember during the war, many Iranians propagandized among young people in Baku that Muslims should not participate in this war, that people drink and eat pork a lot and that a Muslim should not fight here! Of course there were some volunteers, mostly Azerbaijani students hailing from Iran!
    If not for Iran, Armenia would have long been economically bent !!
    Iran saved Armenia and delayed economic collapse!
    There were instructors who were also engaged in subversive activities, for which they drove them away!
    As for Turkey, throughout our history it was Turkey and the Turks who somehow helped us, if not for the Islamic Corps led by Nuri Pasha in 1918, then the Armenian Dashnaks would have slaughtered the entire civilian population !!
    Only that Turkey responded to a request for help and sent a corps saved hundreds of thousands of people! Later, when the British arrested Nuri Pasha and the Azerbaijanis wanted to shoot, they attacked the prison in Batumi and released him!
    By the way, Khalil Pasha also entered the Red Army in Azerbaijan, who even before entering Azerbaijan sent letters and met people and asked him not to resist the red army !!
    Turkey indeed throughout history has shown that it is a brotherly country!
    They actively supported us politically and helped in the construction of the army!
    I’m like a Muslim for a week on Sunites and Shiites!
    For me as well as for any Muslim, the fact that a person believes in one God and adhere to the pillars of Islam is enough to recognize him as a Muslim!
    It makes no difference to me what position a person has in prayer !!
  • Black
    Black 23 May 2013 10: 42 New
    +2
    Clever and balanced.
    I do not agree on Azerbaijan. I think Aliyev will resolve the issue by force, perhaps behind the "curtain" of the war in Syria or Iran.
    In Georgia, a fairly honest change of leadership will not lead to a change in the general line of Georgia to friendship with the West. There is no need to build illusions here.
    Syria, if it can be defended, is the only country on which it will be possible to rely on BV.
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 23 May 2013 10: 54 New
      0
      I agree. But in Syria (if we defend) it will be necessary to build a super-powerful base. It will take a colossal amount of money (taking into account our "mentality" to earn extra money).
      it belts, we do not get used to if it really is a good cause.
    2. smersh70
      smersh70 5 June 2013 22: 03 New
      +2
      Quote: Chen
      I do not agree on Azerbaijan. I think Aliyev will resolve the issue by force, perhaps behind the "curtain" of the war in Syria or Iran.

      and what remains for him to do. 20% is occupied, 1 million refugees, it is necessary to restore territorial integrity, Putin (the war in Chechnya) can, Kuwait (1991) can, but we can’t chtol ...... winked
  • Assistant professor
    Assistant professor 23 May 2013 11: 10 New
    +5
    About 20 million Azerbaijanis live in northern Iran. Naturally, Azerbaijan wants to use this factor in its favor. And the best option for them would be to join the faithful part of Iran to Azerbaijan. That is, the creation of a single large Azerbaijan. Naturally, Iran will do everything to prevent this. In the event of a war in Karabakh, Iran will not benefit from the victory of Azerbaijan, as this will lead to an increase in the national identity of Iranian Azerbaijanis and to separatism.
    And for Armenia, Azerbaijan is the main geopolitical adversary, therefore its interests coincide with those of Iran. In addition, Russia is the main ally for Armenia. But Russia has its own interest in Iran, it turns out everything is very interconnected. And religion in this case plays a secondary role
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 23 May 2013 11: 24 New
      0
      In principle, I also argue that way. BUT, it seems to me that in our turbulent time, the issues of geopolitics fade into the background, and the religious unification of the unification of peoples comes to the fore (the people will not allow killing brothers in faith). They fought for them.) A lot of Sunnis from all over the world fought for the Chechens (not a single Shiite). The Sunnis generally do not perceive Shiites as brothers in faith, which is why there is strife. It may be chaotic, but it seems to me somehow so
    2. mamba
      mamba 23 May 2013 13: 59 New
      +1
      Quote: Associate Professor
      About 20 million Azerbaijanis live in northern Iran. Naturally, Azerbaijan wants to use this factor in its favor. And the best option for them would be to join the faithful part of Iran to Azerbaijan. That is, the creation of a single large Azerbaijan.

      Then the well-fed life in Azerbaijan will end. We will have to share with our fellow countrymen, who are twice as many as the population of modern Azerbaijan. And, if the unification does take place, then it is these new citizens of "Greater Azerbaijan" who will dictate their will by the right of the majority. And they are traditionally brought up in the spirit of Persian and, in general, traditional Islamic culture. There is no escaping this cultural divide. It is unlikely that modern citizens of Azerbaijan brought up in secular traditions will like it.
      1. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 23 May 2013 14: 40 New
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        Quote: mamba
        Then the well-fed life in Azerbaijan will end.

        For an ordinary citizen, life in Azerbaijan is not that full either. When an industrial exhibition from South Azerbaijan was held in Baku, many local eyes were wide open with surprise. It is still unknown where a more well-fed life is.
        1. xetai9977
          xetai9977 23 May 2013 15: 43 New
          +3
          Greetings, Eugene. You are talking about the 90s. Then it really was. Now the situation is diametrically opposite. In Iran (he himself was recently) they are asking to pay either in dollars or in Azerbaijani manats. The people have now become impoverished there. True, the prices are much lower than ours, but people don’t have much money ..
          1. Ezhaak
            Ezhaak 23 May 2013 17: 06 New
            +1
            Good day, Rauf. Yes, everything flows, everything changes.
            Then a counter question. Why do they need manat in Iran? It seems that there was no such shuttle business as it used to be in Russia. Yes, it exists today, but already more with Turkey, not with Poland.
            1. xetai9977
              xetai9977 23 May 2013 17: 27 New
              +1
              I answer, I heard before, but did not believe that most of the new buildings in Baku were bought by the Iranians. Now I do. This is especially noticeable at night. There are only 7-8 apartments illuminated in the houses. And it is written in the entrances, "all apartments are sold out."
              1. Ezhaak
                Ezhaak 23 May 2013 17: 33 New
                +1
                However!!! Very interesting. Thanks, Rauf.
                Although we can similarly assume that these apartments expect a certain number of immigrants from Marneuli district, although they say that everything is fine there. Or am I wrong?
                1. xetai9977
                  xetai9977 23 May 2013 17: 56 New
                  +3
                  A wave of Azerbaijanis from Georgia passed in the 90s. Now few are coming. We may have a different attitude towards Saakashvili, but he broke the backbone of corruption in Georgia, and it has become easier for people to realize themselves there.
                  1. Ezhaak
                    Ezhaak 23 May 2013 18: 04 New
                    +1
                    Well, it's good that everything calmed down. By the way, Rauf, this is not so much the merit of Saakashvili, although his participation cannot be denied. The calmer the life, the better.
                    1. xetai9977
                      xetai9977 23 May 2013 18: 32 New
                      +2
                      Sure!!! Who needs troubles, unrest and riots!
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    4. xetai9977
      xetai9977 23 May 2013 15: 35 New
      +1
      DOCENT
      In general, everything was correctly noticed, except for the number of Azerbaijanis in Iran. There are 30 million of them.
  • Des10
    Des10 23 May 2013 11: 23 New
    0
    It was nice to read a calm, balanced analysis.
    At the level of experts, it was even suggested that if the construction of this gas pipeline does begin without coordination with the Caspian states, Russia has the right to bomb it.

    I didn’t understand what kind of right was said - even at the expert level.
  • knn54
    knn54 23 May 2013 11: 44 New
    +1
    Georgia will do everything the United States wants. More correctly, Georgia will do everything the United States wants. In this country, criticism of the United States is TABU for everyone. Thinking that Ivanishvili is no exception.
    -Den: ... why Shiite Azerbaijan supports Sunni Turkey ... I will express my opinion.
    In 2001, a new body appeared in Azerbaijan - the State Committee for Work with Religious Organizations. I think that the task of the Committee is to confront Iran and pro-Iranian Shiite imams, while the committee is lenient towards foreign Islamic influences from Turkey.
    Until 1828, Persia and the Khanates, which are part of modern Azerbaijan, were part of a single Safavid empire. Shah, who made Shaism its state religion, was Ishmael, from the Pahlavi dynasty, was ethnic Azerbaijani.
    As for the friction between the two countries, unlike the anti-Western course of Iran, the SECOND authorities of Azerbaijan from the first days of independence have relied on rapprochement with the Western powers in the republic. For the USA and the EU, here, in fact, a special favored nation regime has been established.
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 23 May 2013 12: 36 New
      0
      Aliyev is playing with fire! They will begin to slaughter the Iranians, it is still unknown how the religious leaders will behave and after them the people of Azerbaijan after they see crying children on the network and calls for help from ordinary people-brothers by faith!
    2. xetai9977
      xetai9977 23 May 2013 15: 49 New
      +1
      Ind 54
      I’ll correct you. Shah Ismail was from the Safavid dynasty. With him, all office work and the army switched to the Azerbaijani language.
  • Navy7981
    Navy7981 23 May 2013 12: 48 New
    +2
    Georgia will do whatever the United States wants ...
    "... The girl fell in love with him, and he took and sold her to a brothel. ...."
    M. Bulgakov
  • Goldkonstantin
    Goldkonstantin 23 May 2013 12: 55 New
    0
    Heh, who would doubt that if there is fun, Georgia will not try to stand under the "Banner of Democracy"? The article is correct, you should think about it at your leisure. But it seems to me that they will not rattle their weapons - there is a sad experience. And in the United States, the same people are at the helm ...
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  • posad
    posad 23 May 2013 15: 13 New
    0
    Given the history of Georgia, one does not have to be surprised that it constantly falls under someone. She has practically no alternatives. As an option, its collapse into several independent states. This is quite possible in case of war in that region.
    Will there be a war? Sure. There are no options and never will be. Who will initiate her? Of course, the USA. Israel is just a performer, a US watchdog in the Middle East. Yes, he is being helped, but the money is being used to protect American interests in the region.
    Who is going to be in that war? First of all, China, as the main strategic enemy of America, Israel (its population will sharply decrease), Iran and other countries of the region. The United States will definitely suffer because of rising oil prices.
    Who will benefit from this war? Russia, if you don’t take part in it. No, the supply of weapons does not count - you can make good money on this. The main thing for us is to make good money.
  • Semyon Albertovich
    Semyon Albertovich 23 May 2013 15: 45 New
    +2
    The Georgian authorities during the reign of Saakashvili became such a puppet of the United States. WHICH HAS NOT HAPPENED IN HISTORY - a super puppet.
  • Gato
    Gato 23 May 2013 15: 50 New
    +1
    The Americans, incidentally, in connection with it, want to organize a maritime police in Azerbaijan, which, in fact, will control not only the South, but also the North Caucasus, as well as Iran, Central Asia and China.


    Is it just that I don't understand something about the "naval police"?
    1. xetai9977
      xetai9977 23 May 2013 16: 04 New
      -1
      Honestly, I didn’t understand either.
  • Day 11
    Day 11 23 May 2013 16: 59 New
    +5
    The NDF collapsed with a spot on the head the GREAT COUNTRY! And now he lives happily with our enemies! I'm still trying to find out from the respected RAUF (xetai9977) why they have a contention with the Armenians --- We are brothers of the same faith with us -Ukrainians can’t find a common language (even the churches were divided, although both Orthodox)! The tears of all the kids of the once united state to this nits and his offspring will be remembered !!! Never forget, We revenge!
  • pot-bellied
    pot-bellied 23 May 2013 17: 09 New
    -4
    and there’s only one conclusion, comrade Caucasus case, before drooling, banging legs and arms in the direction of Russia, you must first think with your head and tinker with your mind.
    1. xetai9977
      xetai9977 23 May 2013 17: 41 New
      0
      Very incorrect of you. Rudeness and dismissive tone have not yet added respect to anyone.
      1. Day 11
        Day 11 23 May 2013 17: 46 New
        +5
        Rauf, "forget it" is, unfortunately, a generation that never lived in the USSR!
        1. xetai9977
          xetai9977 23 May 2013 18: 08 New
          +4
          It may be differently related to the USSR, but one thing is certain - there was no interethnic enmity !!! (or not allowed. But this does not change the essence of the matter.)
          1. Day 11
            Day 11 23 May 2013 18: 20 New
            0
            You need to understand only one thing --- THEY ARE VERY AFRAID OF OUR UNION! And by all means (inventing religious contradictions) they are trying to embroil us!
            1. pot-bellied
              pot-bellied 23 May 2013 19: 40 New
              -3
              for me, so unification should be exclusive with the Armenians. they are of our faith, they have been living in the northern Russian Caucasus since the time of Catherine, she took the Armenians to Taman, and the Greeks to the Azov Sea, by the way, I'm half Greek. and it pleases.
              1. smersh70
                smersh70 5 June 2013 21: 23 New
                +1
                here’s the answer of the Armenians ---- In Yerevan, a protest rally was held in front of the Russian embassy, ​​at which the protesters chanted the slogans "Russia, get out of Armenia", "Gazprom, get out of Armenia," virtualaz.org reports with reference to the Armenian media.

                Protesters are opposed to raising natural gas prices. They submitted a petition to the Russian Embassy.

                Participant of the action Argist Kiviryan said that this is not the only step of Russia aimed at weakening Armenia: “Russia is selling weapons to Azerbaijan, which is at war with Armenia.” laughing
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            2. pot-bellied
              pot-bellied 19 June 2013 18: 48 New
              0
              wildly interesting, and your highly unified union is what? in fact, who, who is afraid, and who are afraid, should or must, and whom, and for what money? no, guys, don’t be afraid of anyone, I like Putin’s comrades, and you like your loafer, novels Alexey, our marshal, as I understand it, Zyuganov’s scoundrel, all the admins of the site are zyuganoids.
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          1. Ezhaak
            Ezhaak 25 May 2013 09: 57 New
            0
            This begs the question. What should I call "pot-bellied" if by the time he went to school I was preparing for demobilization ???
            1. pot-bellied
              pot-bellied 5 June 2013 20: 43 New
              -1
              My name is Mikhail Yurievich. I have a grandson in Norilsk. I am really 51 years old. So you can call me by name.
            2. pot-bellied
              pot-bellied 10 June 2013 19: 36 New
              0
              probably just-michael yurievich. by this time i'm really fat and pot-bellied.
    2. smersh70
      smersh70 5 June 2013 21: 32 New
      -1
      So you wave from Armenia .... fellow
      and we don’t need to - 60bn dollars of Azerbaijan’s currency reserve tongue
      1. pot-bellied
        pot-bellied 10 June 2013 19: 41 New
        0
        if the Armenians wave to me, then I am very happy about this.
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  • APASUS
    APASUS 24 May 2013 23: 38 New
    +2
    Georgia needs to try very hard to raise its image and economic weight in order to be apprehended appropriately! And here lies the problem in the Georgian authorities themselves. It’s difficult to sit on two chairs .....
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    1. smersh70
      smersh70 5 June 2013 21: 43 New
      -1
      from the rally in Yerevan (Erivan) so what do you say. Mr. Puzaty. hi
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  • smersh70
    smersh70 5 June 2013 21: 15 New
    +1
    Quote: pot-bellied
    I hate Aizers, one Muslim Magometovich Magomaev of them is adequate.


    if someone else said from another country, I would not be surprised ....... it is a pity that this is said by a man from an independent and independent country ...... stop ashamed ..... when in 90khgoda you did not have elemental gasoline. we gave it to you without a single percentage. and always helped each other .......
    1. pot-bellied
      pot-bellied 7 June 2013 21: 16 New
      0
      No, ebadolb-ogly, this is said by a Russian person. A person who thinks in Russian.