"Kupol 25" – pneumatics, a neural network, and a plywood pallet versus FPV drones

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"Kupol 25" – pneumatics, a neural network, and a plywood pallet versus FPV drones


The main threat to an infantryman in a trench today isn't a sniper or a mortar, but a plastic box with four screws for two hundred dollars. For every such box, a classic Defense you won't have enough: Rocket anti-aircraft complex costs more than a city block of FPV-dronesHence the race for a compact, affordable, and highly automated last-ditch weapon. In May 2026, Russia unveiled one answer to this question: an autonomous turret weighing twenty kilograms, equipped with a neural network, four cameras, and the ability to fire without human intervention.



Phalanx, AK-630, and the logic of the last frontier


Naval CIWS (Close-In Weapon System) emerged at the intersection of two developments. On the one hand, the P-15 family of anti-ship missiles and their Western counterparts demonstrated that classic anti-aircraft artillery A human-aimed system doesn't work well against them. On the other hand, computers capable of calculating lead in real time have matured. The Phalanx Mk 15 entered service in 1980, and the Dutch Goalkeeper in the early 1980s. The Soviet response was parallel: the 30mm AK-630 was installed on ships in the second half of the 1970s, and in the late 1980s, the Kortik appeared, an anti-aircraft missile and artillery system with two 30mm AO-18K automatic guns and eight SAMs on a single turret.


Mark 15 Phalanx Block 1B anti-aircraft artillery system

The engineering essence is the same for all of them. The machine makes the decision, the "detection-aiming-firing" sequence takes place in seconds, and the area of ​​responsibility is a narrow strip of land in the last kilometers before the protected facility. Anything that isn't shot down is left to the repair crew.

The "Dome 25" operates on the same principle, only condensed to the tactical level. For a ship, the "last line" is four to five kilometers. For a trench against an FPV, it's twenty-five meters. The distances differ by two orders of magnitude, but the principle is virtually the same: a rotating base, an automatic feed, a closed-loop firing system without a human in the loop.

What NeuroPVO has assembled: a breakdown of the layout


The NeuroPVO laboratory is a civilian engineering team developing the Kupol 25 system using its own funds and openly publishing its schematics. The photographs with markings (there's also a video from the May 12, 2026, test, and a short clip of the turret targeting a flying quadcopter at a test site) show the entire configuration: a turret on a circular rotating base, two servomotors per axes, four 360° cameras along the perimeter, a separate tracking camera along the barrel, a microcomputer with active cooling, a controller, a compressed gas cylinder, and a distinctive funnel-shaped hopper containing pneumatic bullets.

The key detail is – weaponIt's not a shotgun or a submachine gun, as you might expect given its 20kg total weight. It's pneumatic gun With a high-pressure cylinder and gravity-fed ammunition. Why choose this:


  • Low recoil: Lightweight servos stay calibrated after each shot.
  • Simple energy regulation: the pressure is changed by a reducer.
  • Smooth burst rhythm and predictable ballistics at short ranges.
  • The cost of a shot is mere pennies, which is more important for a mass-use system than a beautiful muzzle energy.

The price for this is obvious and is implied in the name itself. For a total weight of 20 kg and a compact cylinder, it's possible to achieve a muzzle energy of around 50-150 joules—the same level as mass-produced 5,5-6,35 mm PCP rifles. .50 PCP systems are lightweight (4-5 kg), but when firing bursts automatically, they're limited not by weight but by two other constraints: air consumption (the cylinder is emptied in tens of shots instead of thousands) and recoil, after which lightweight servos need to be recalibrated. This is unacceptable for a 48-hour standby mode and a "several short bursts at a target" mode. Hence the 25-meter radius: at this distance, the energy is enough to pierce a plastic propeller blade or damage the exposed motor of an FPV drone. The weak points are obvious: the blades (loss of thrust, somersault) and the motors themselves; When hit by a low-energy projectile, the frame and warhead most often simply suffer a dent. Shooting down a drone means hitting the propeller before it reaches the trench. At 25 meters, a 5-inch diameter blade produces an angular displacement of about 0,3°, and keeping the barrel aligned with this target on a moving target is a task not so much for the neural network as for mechanics: drive play, turret inertia, and encoder accuracy are more important here than extra milliseconds of inference. This is primarily a matter of the impact geometry and the quality of the suspension.

Then the neural network takes over. Four overview cameras provide a 360-degree image, a specially trained model identifies the quadcopter's distinctive silhouette in the stream of frames, filters out birds, foliage, and backlight, selects the closest target, and transmits it to the tracking camera. The tracking camera keeps the drone centered in the frame, the servos rotate the turret, and the controller fires a short burst. The operator is not involved in this process.

Figures from the developer's materials: assembled weight is about 20 kg, battery life is up to 48 hours on LiFePO4 batteries, prototype cost is about 230 thousand rubles.


Where the Dome 25 Sag


Next comes what is not in the developer’s press release.

Twenty-five meters is a very narrow window. An FPV drone on final approach flies at a speed of approximately 25-30 m/s, leaving about a second for the system's full response. The components of this budget can be estimated in orders of magnitude. Modern single-board computers like the Jetson Orin, using YOLO family detectors, provide inference of approximately 15-30 milliseconds per frame, depending on the model and input resolution. Added to this are camera latency (frame capture and transmission takes another 20-40 ms), tracker operation, servo commands, and the actual mechanical turret rotation: tens of milliseconds at close range, up to hundreds at wide angles. In total, 100-200 ms for each aiming adjustment is realistic. This is within a second of the drone's flight time, but just barely. The scenario of "the drone emerges from cover five meters away at full speed" is fundamentally impossible, and no neural network can help here.

Optics is always a function of the weather. Fog, heavy rain, dust, smoke over a trench, a low sun directly in the frame—all of these degrade detector performance. A neural network is more robust than traditional video analytics, but it still has to overcome the physics of the sensor. Thermal imaging partially alleviates the situation; it's not yet visible in the publicly available "Kupol 25" layout.

A separate question is why primary detection is entirely reliant on optics. An FPV drone can be heard 100-200 meters before it enters the camera's field of view; a four-channel directional microphone array costs less than a single surveillance camera and provides a rough bearing within tens of milliseconds. This eliminates the main problem—the one-second reaction window—because the turret begins turning to the desired sector even before visually locking on to the target. NeuroPVO itself mentions acoustic detection in its announcements of the future lineup, but it's for aircraft UAVs at ranges of 10-20 km; this channel isn't yet available for the close-in perimeter, where it's most needed. This seems like the system's most obvious redundancy.


The SMASH Hopper is a lightweight, remote-controlled weapon station (turret) manufactured by the Israeli company Smart Shooter.

Similar close-combat turrets with AI recognition are being developed abroad, but there is no direct equivalent to the Kupol 25 among known systems. The Israeli Smash from Smart Shooter is sighting module, which is mounted on a standard assault rifle and helps a human shooter hit a drone; there is no autonomous turret. The German Skynex from Rheinmetall, on the other hand, battery, not turret35mm automatic rifles with programmable AHEAD rounds, truck-mounted deployment, and a unit price in the millions of euros. The closest concept is the American Bullfrog from Allen Control Systems: a robotic turret with automatic drone recognition and a 7,62mm machine gun. The fundamental difference is that the Bullfrog is designed around a combat rifle cartridge. The Kupol 25 uses a pneumatic bullet, and this decision has significant implications: weight, cost, noise, and range. The resulting tactical niches are diverse, yet the underlying philosophy is the same.


Skynex anti-aircraft artillery system produced by the German company Rheinmetall

A separate issue is the ethical and legal one. Press releases typically don't elaborate on this, and forum discussions tend to dismiss it as "defensive." Meanwhile, the UN Group of Governmental Experts on Lethal Autonomous Weapons Systems (GGE on LAWS) has been working within the framework of the Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons since 2017. A unified definition of "meaningful human control" has yet to be developed, but based on established discussion practice, close-combat defensive systems (Phalanx in automatic mode, Israeli Iron Dome, naval AK-630) are usually excluded from discussion. The logic is simple: a human makes decisions at the level of system deployment and operating rules, not each shot fired at a specific target. The Kupol 25 formally falls into the same category: it protects a limited perimeter. However, the combination of "civilian laboratory + unmanned automatic fire + open circuits" is new to international practice, and a regulatory framework for it has not yet been developed.

The main thing is that there is no public data on actual use yet. All that is known are the developer's statements, the layout diagram, and test videos. How many FPV drones the system reliably films in the field, how it performs in rain, how it filters its own reconnaissance copters from other drones—these questions have no publicly available answers.


Where is this heading?


NeuroPVO itself refers to the "Kupol 25" as the first unit of a future line. The "Sbryo 300" system is announced for use against heavy carrier drones at altitudes of up to 300 meters, and work is underway on acoustic detection of fixed-wing UAVs at ranges of 10-20 km. The only change is the target acquisition method: camera, microphone, or radar. After that, it's the same: the model detects, the drive rotates, and the barrel fires.

There is also a second context, without which the whole story It's not readable. The classic answer to FPV is electronic jamming: a jammer disrupts the control channel, the drone loses the operator, and crashes. This system fails where it's physically bypassed: on fiber-optic drones, the channel isn't jammed at all, and on machines with terminal AI guidance, the drone flies the last few hundred meters without communication with the operator, relying on the image from its camera. It's precisely in this niche—where EW powerless—ground-based close-combat turrets become not a supplement, but the only means. The "Dome 25" and its analogs are born not from an abstract love of autonomous weapons, but from a concrete failure of the previous layer of defense.

If by the 1980s, shipborne air defense had developed a layered system from over-the-horizon missiles to Phalanx missiles in the final meters, then ground-based anti-drone air defense is now going through this same process, in fast-forward mode. The idea of ​​a lower level based on AI recognition has already been developed as a class – in Russia, the US, Europe, and Israel simultaneously. The next question is what configuration it will take and who will be the first to bring it to mass production.

The "Kupol 25" concept itself isn't unique; everyone's talking about it right now. The entry barrier is interesting: twenty kilograms, two hundred and thirty thousand rubles for a prototype, and the schematics are publicly available. With such figures, building it in a garage is no longer a figment of the imagination—all you need is a Jetson and someone who knows how to solder. This is where the GGE on LAWS discussion of "autonomous lethal systems" ceases to be a matter of academics: while definitions are being agreed upon in Geneva, a "Kupol 25" equivalent is being assembled in any local radio club. The regulatory framework is noticeably lagging behind engineering reality, and this is perhaps the main long-term theme surrounding such systems—regardless of how effective a particular tower is against a particular FPV.

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  1. +2
    28 May 2026 08: 38
    highlights the characteristic silhouette of the quadcopter

    It turns out that when the target's silhouette changes, the system will react, i.e. will not recognize it?
    1. +1
      28 May 2026 09: 12
      It depends on the algorithms they're using. If it's something along the lines of "flies fast, but doesn't look like a bird," it should work.
    2. +9
      28 May 2026 09: 23
      Quote: Apis1962
      It turns out that when the silhouette of the target changes

      No. It depends on what examples the neural network was fed when it was trained. And most likely, there was more than one option.

      Overall, the combination of pneumatics and neural networks certainly looks very interesting. I hope the Ministry of Defense doesn't kill the project. request
      1. +3
        28 May 2026 13: 05
        Maybe refineries will start buying them; after all, airguns are probably easier than buying and using firearms. I've already seen an ad for Yolka, 50. The Ministry of Defense will spend a year looking at them, a year of haggling, a year of testing, and then they'll have to include them in the state defense procurement.
        1. +1
          28 May 2026 15: 24
          So this system is for fighting FPV drones, not against large drones.

          Judging by the video, the tree is widely used in the SVO, and has already been seen among the patrols of the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
          1. +1
            28 May 2026 16: 32
            So, was it adopted? There's a lot of useful stuff on the SVO, but that's from the people.
            1. +1
              28 May 2026 16: 39
              They are purchased by the Russian Ministry of Defense and distributed among units; they have even appeared in patrols of the Ministry of Internal Affairs
          2. 0
            30 May 2026 00: 27
            If we add microphones and radars, we can control the anti-aircraft gun or the turret of an old armored personnel carrier (APC) or BRDM. Then we could try to protect the oil refinery.
            1. 0
              1 June 2026 08: 50
              Out of 1000 drones, only ten reach the oil refinery. This is good protection, including for the oil refinery.

              The turrets of old BTR/BRDM vehicles have a vertical firing angle of 30 degrees
    3. +2
      28 May 2026 10: 07
      Well, you can add any silhouette to the firmware. But shooting airguns is nonsense. It's a 12-gauge Saiga with a round cylinder. You can use classic 5-gauge cartridges or specialized anti-drone ones. But the system still needs to be equipped with an AESA like an APS. Then detection and analysis will be more accurate and faster.
      1. +4
        28 May 2026 12: 16
        A 12-gauge shotgun and an airgun can be combined. Active electronically scanned arrays (AESA) and other sophisticated detection systems will significantly increase the cost of the equipment and place additional burden on the detection system manufacturer. And in this system, the key factor is the cost-benefit ratio between defense and offense.
        1. +2
          28 May 2026 17: 49
          Combining a smoothbore with an airgun makes no sense. The idea behind this design is precisely that airguns have low recoil, allowing for the use of lightweight and inexpensive servos. For a couple hundred thousand, you won't be able to operate a 12-gauge firearm.
          1. 0
            28 May 2026 22: 59
            There is no point in combining a smoothbore with a pneumatic gun.
            I agree that the recoil of a 12-gauge will throw off all the settings. But if a solution were to be found, such as separating these weapons systems into different platforms, the probability of hitting drones would increase exponentially.
          2. +1
            29 May 2026 09: 11
            Well, for now it's more like a toy. Even the video shows the turret shaking with every shot. You have to shoot like a pro airsofter. It's practically automatic fire. Want less recoil? We'll use the LR22 (the women's caliber, 5.6 x 15,6mm). The recoil will be similar to that of this airgun. But the rate of fire will be higher, the recoil will be the same, and the lethal effect will be greater. And the bullet speed is higher than that of an empty BB. Plus, the effective range will be increased.
        2. 0
          29 May 2026 09: 08
          To detect a KAZ AESA, you need to be at a distance of less than 2 km. Its radiation is not as powerful as that of powerful PFAR and AESA air surveillance systems.
        3. 0
          30 May 2026 00: 18
          1. The article correctly pointed out acoustic detection. 2. Radar can be as simple as possible. 3. The main thing is to determine the direction, distance, and speed in advance.
        4. 0
          30 May 2026 00: 28
          The whole point of this idea is to avoid recalibrating the drives. A machine gun with small-caliber rounds is possible here.
      2. +1
        29 May 2026 08: 14
        When equipped with an AESA and a firearm, it will become much more expensive, heavier, and turn into a different weapon. It will move into a different class.
        1. 0
          29 May 2026 09: 14
          Well, at the current level, the presented model is not suitable. The only option is to hide dugouts at the entrance to the trenches, where the FPV flies slowly, aiming for the entrance. But let's face it. As soon as the first FPV is shot down, a Hornet-type drone will fly to that location and crash into the suspected turret location at full speed, exceeding 100 km/h. That turret will have no time to do ANYTHING.
          1. 0
            30 May 2026 00: 22
            Therefore, the system must be comprehensive. A 30mm with a controlled detonation, a turret-mounted assault rifle or machine gun, a turret-mounted submachine gun/shotgun, and a 5,45mm air rifle/submachine gun. After the first drone, it's best to relocate it, since it's so compact.
    4. +3
      28 May 2026 12: 53
      Quote: Apis1962
      i.e. it won't recognize it?
    5. 0
      28 May 2026 13: 00
      I was also wondering if the same fuel tanker were covered with cardboard boxes, would the Hornet be able to recognize it?
      1. -2
        28 May 2026 15: 26
        I'm subscribed to the Geranium Chronicle, where these hornets are being killed by the dozens a day.
        1. 0
          28 May 2026 16: 30
          But the highway was still closed.
          1. -3
            28 May 2026 16: 32
            Well, unlike in Ukraine, we still care about the lives of civilians.
      2. 0
        30 May 2026 00: 32
        I've been wondering if ships in World Wars I and II were painted zebra-like, making it really difficult to aim. How would the operator and machine vision react to such a paint job of sharp, jagged lines?
  2. +1
    28 May 2026 08: 39
    With such numbers Assembly in the garage is no longer a figure of speech - there would be Jetson and a person who can solder.

    This is our problem—a project like this can't pass our Ministry of Defense's bureaucratic procedures. Why? The financial flow is poorly controlled... and the other technical parameters are just obstacles to achieving the main thing—control of the financial flow.
    1. 0
      28 May 2026 15: 27
      Judging by the video from the SVO, the Ministry of Defense has already adopted a bunch of weapons, Yolka, Lancet-2, Spitsa, programmable 30mm shells, etc., so if it is effective, it will be widely distributed.
      1. +2
        28 May 2026 15: 49
        Quote: Kull90
        ...so if it is effective, it will spread.

        On TV they showed the "last line air defense" of our soldiers - an ordinary 2,5 - 3 meter branch with leaves. smile It demonstrated high effectiveness against waiting drones taking off from the grass literally a few meters away.
        1. 0
          28 May 2026 16: 06
          What kind of program would you like to watch?
          1. +2
            28 May 2026 16: 13
            I was watching the news on Channel One. They showed a video taken from above by our accompanying copter, showing a Ukrainian drone taking off a few meters from our group, and one of the soldiers "swiped" it to the ground with a branch.
            1. -5
              28 May 2026 16: 17
              I saw a video of an FPV drone hitting a Pukru's ass. It turns out the Pukru's ass proved highly effective against the "last line air defense" drones.
              1. +1
                28 May 2026 17: 11
                The ass-pukra didn't work if the drone hit the ass. The ass should have blown it away with a powerful stream of intestinal gas.
                1. -4
                  28 May 2026 17: 22
                  The PUCR is a consumable, and the PUCR's ass saved the other PUCRs, so it worked perfectly.
        2. +1
          28 May 2026 16: 35
          We need something like an umbrella with a tangled net on a long stick.
  3. +5
    28 May 2026 08: 46
    The described system is more of a mockup and concept demonstrator than a commercially available system. It's not something you can equip with every soldier, and it's simply too weak to protect a squad or tank.
    In my experience and estimates, the optimal mass-produced turret for hundreds of thousands of military forces and tens of thousands of vehicles should have a range of hundreds of meters and be somewhere between the described contraption and the recently mentioned 30mm cannon turret, whose purpose is to protect important objects, not to be mass-produced.
    1. -1
      28 May 2026 09: 38
      You can't assign one like that to every soldier.

      Why? What's stopping us from equipping each soldier with five of these "fly swatters" along the perimeter? And a couple more for each armored vehicle. The cost allows for it.
      1. +1
        28 May 2026 15: 04
        Quote from Andy_nsk
        You can't assign one like that to every soldier.

        Why? What's stopping us from equipping each soldier with five of these "fly swatters" along the perimeter? And a couple more for each armored vehicle. The cost allows for it.

        It's possible to install it, but the kill zone is painfully small. 25 meters isn't even close. Moreover, due to the small kill zone, even a synchronized attack by four FPVs from all directions would likely fail to deflect it. Also, judging by the video, the gun barrel vibrates excessively. And the rate of fire is quite low. Overall, the idea isn't bad, but the choice of airguns is surprising. Probably to test the concept without the hassle of bureaucratic hurdles.
        1. +5
          28 May 2026 18: 55
          nedgen, there's nothing new about this system. Two years ago, the US Army began combat testing the Bullfrog robotic system specifically for shooting down UAVs. It weighs approximately 180 kilograms, equipped with an M240 machine gun and a fire control system based on an electro-optical sensor and a computer with AI for target acquisition and guidance. The stated maximum effective range is 1800 meters. The Swedes, Germans, and French have similar systems, and recently, reports surfaced online that the Chinese Type 625E anti-aircraft system, during exercises, used a six-barreled 25mm Gatling gun to destroy a swarm of 20 drones in just over a minute. So, where those who are supposed to be working on the problem are seriously engaged, everything is working out and there is movement, but where those who are supposed to be working on new weapons are primarily concerned with "mastering" the military budget, often wasting it on outright "junk," while the creation of truly necessary models will be the lot of talented artisans and the "people's military-industrial complex" in an effort to make at least something, such products will come to light.
          1. 0
            28 May 2026 19: 54
            I read about the American system. You're absolutely right that there's no new idea, but for those who like it, it's a success. I agree completely with everything else.
        2. 0
          30 May 2026 00: 35
          The fly swatter must spit small-caliber cartridges and have additional detection channels (acoustics, simple radar).
      2. +2
        28 May 2026 15: 54
        Quote from Andy_nsk
        What's stopping us from putting five of these "fly swatters" around the perimeter of each fighter?

        I wrote above that the fighters move on LBS with long branches with leaves, which they use to knock down waiting drones that take off a few meters away.
        1. +1
          28 May 2026 23: 16
          Then they need retractable, telescopic landing nets made of carbon fiber, 4-6 meters long. They're lightweight and durable, yet easily foldable to a compact size.
          Haven't our legislators banned them yet? They're slapping down bans on fishing gear at breakneck speed. Fish (or fisheries inspectors) are being afforded protections that citizens themselves can only dream of.
  4. +2
    28 May 2026 08: 52
    air flow

    One of the options for solving the air consumption problem can be by replacing the cylinder: who remembers soda siphons in which the cylinders were replaced after some time of use.
    The idea of ​​the anti-FP system itself is not bad, although it requires some improvement.
    1. +3
      28 May 2026 09: 15
      Quote: Apis1962
      One of the options for solving the air consumption problem can be by replacing the cylinder: who remembers soda siphons in which the cylinders were replaced after some time of use.

      The compressor simply fills the supply cylinder and that's it.
    2. +1
      30 May 2026 23: 25
      Quote: Apis1962
      air flow

      One of the options for solving the air consumption problem can be by replacing the cylinder: who remembers soda siphons in which the cylinders were replaced after some time of use.
      The idea of ​​the anti-FP system itself is not bad, although it requires some improvement.

      The point is that a range of 25 meters is woefully inadequate for shooting down a FPV. This so-called FPV anti-aircraft missile system will be bombarded with VOGs from a height of just 50 meters, and that's it. A FIREARMS or a laser is definitely needed here. Of course, bureaucrats won't allow a small company access to firearms. So it's a vicious circle.
  5. +1
    28 May 2026 08: 57
    It makes sense, right?
    Cheap - drones: there should be cheap air defense.
    A cannon or a machine gun, like here.
    Plastic interceptor missiles.
    Or something else
  6. +7
    28 May 2026 08: 58
    two hundred and thirty thousand rubles for a prototype

    It's clear that a production model is several times cheaper... lampasniks won't be interested in such products...
  7. +3
    28 May 2026 09: 06
    I'm plagued by doubts. Large hunting pellets don't have enough energy to destroy drones, and here they're planning to shoot them down with much less powerful shots.
    Let's say there's a desire to equip a convoy of vehicles with such installations. Presumably, they've protected against small FPV drones, but that's far from certain. What if an airplane-type drone or something like the Lancet arrives? Such a setup will be inherently powerless. It's like the elephant and the pellet.
    This unit is more of a mock-up for testing control systems than a real combat model.
    1. -1
      28 May 2026 12: 07
      Large hunting pellets don't have enough energy to kill drones.
      "Not enough" means it can't hit? I highly doubt a plastic drone can't be pierced by large shot.
      1. +2
        28 May 2026 12: 23
        And if you watch videos of drones being shot at with a shotgun, they'll continue flying even with a torn-off blade. And a hit to the hull may only cause a brief malfunction. A hit doesn't always mean destruction.
        1. 0
          28 May 2026 14: 09
          There are a lot of blades, like a branched drone. And a pellet can easily penetrate it. They'll keep spraying pellets all the way to the very end, the closer, the more accurate. A shotgun blast—two or three charges, and that's it.
  8. +2
    28 May 2026 09: 06
    If the performance of one isn't enough, you can install two, three, or four turrets. And if it's a tank, for example, there's a ready-made radar from KAZ Arena.
    1. 0
      28 May 2026 14: 41
      It is possible, in general, to install a rotating multi-barrel cassette
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  10. +4
    28 May 2026 09: 14
    Twenty-five meters is a very narrow window. An FPV drone on its final approach flies at a speed of about 25–30 m/s, leaving about a second for the system to fully react.
    Well, why not: 25 m is the striking distance, optics can begin tracking, guidance and turns can be made long before: from hundreds of meters, depending on the conditions, of course.
  11. +1
    28 May 2026 09: 17
    Work is underway and that's already good, we'll try to improve, do, and rework, and the results will definitely come, but shooting one bullet at a time is strange, why not a buckshot charge?
    1. +2
      28 May 2026 09: 33
      Why not canister shot?

      The article talks about it. A firearm, and especially buckshot, will knock out the servos due to the strong recoil. This is a niche system for targeting small UAVs. This, by the way, is the most difficult task, since the number of such drones will soon reach into the millions. They will attack every soldier in swarms like mosquitoes. That's what a "fly swatter" is needed. And for larger targets, more sophisticated systems are needed.
      1. +1
        28 May 2026 10: 24
        There are completely different solutions for reducing recoil, from muzzle brakes and recoil mechanisms like those found in artillery, to electric ammunition feed like on the Bradley IFV gun.
        But using a deliberately weak munition that is incapable of shooting down slightly larger drones is strange.
        1. +4
          28 May 2026 10: 57
          As I understand the developers, they designed the product for mass production, which is why they made these decisions. Combating cheap drones requires cheap countermeasures. What you're describing puts the product in a different price category. A 30mm cannon with projectile detonation is being developed to destroy long-range drones. It will have a much longer range, but the cost per shot will be thousands of times higher than an airgun.
          1. 0
            28 May 2026 11: 10
            Why the cannon right away? Like a seasoned demagogue, you're throwing around extremes. After all, there are 7,62mm machine guns, from the PKT to the GShG-7,62. If those aren't enough, then there are 12,7mm machine guns. Moreover, even anti-aircraft guns start not with the 30mm, but with the 23mm ZU-23-2.
            And this installation will only take up space on the roof of the truck cabin, providing almost no protection, where a machine gun or even a cannon remote-controlled missile system should be located.
            And for the closest range, a net launcher is better if a shot from a tank APS or shotgun is not applicable for safety reasons.
            1. +1
              28 May 2026 11: 23
              Of course, intermediate options with 7,62 mm are also possible, but as a low-end system for combating cheap plastic drones on the level of children's toys, pneumatic pellets are quite effective. Such low-end systems must protect every soldier and every vehicle and must cost pennies. Otherwise, our industry and economy won't be able to sustain a war. And the fact that such primitive fly swatters should operate in conjunction with more powerful devices and within a single network is completely uncontroversial.
              PS: Please don't use the word "demagogue" around me.
              Minus not mine
              1. 0
                30 May 2026 00: 43
                That's why, on the last lines of defense, solutions with pistol or small-caliber cartridges and a high rate of fire are needed. If detection and targeting are working, we'll rig up a minigun, for example.
      2. 0
        28 May 2026 15: 32
        They won't be coming soon, but they are already being produced in the millions
        Russia plans to produce over seven million FPV drones by 2026, the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense announced on its Telegram channel.
        According to Kyiv's estimates, this is three million more than were created last year.
        4,5 million in 2025
  12. +2
    28 May 2026 09: 30
    On fiber-optic drones, the channel is not jammed at all, and on vehicles with terminal AI guidance, the drone flies for the last few hundred meters without communication with the operator, relying on the feed from its own camera. It's in this niche—where electronic warfare is ineffective—that ground-based close-combat turrets become not a supplement, but the only means.


    It's not the only one. There are also options that directly affect the motor wires and electronics.
    Spark gaps and microwave pulses. Possibly with a combination of vapor suspension.
    If protecting a stationary object, electricity isn't a problem. Install arresters and steam generators around the perimeter, including on masts and poles.
    1. 0
      28 May 2026 14: 40
      Microwave won't help, but a high voltage metal mesh will.
    2. 0
      30 May 2026 00: 44
      And all the electronics in a stationary object will go into nirvana
      1. 0
        30 May 2026 13: 19
        So it can be covered with metal, and the antennas can be brought out via cable.
        1. 0
          31 May 2026 10: 37
          Are you trying to cover an entire factory floor with metal? That's definitely not a spark gap. It produces noise over a very broad band, and you can't concentrate the energy into a beam. It's impossible because of this broad spectrum. That's why transmitters don't turn on radio broadcasts. Conversely, long- and medium-wave radio communications have died due to interference from pulsed power supplies. By your logic, all an enemy would need to do is put a tinfoil hat on a drone.
  13. +2
    28 May 2026 09: 33
    Regarding the sensors, there's clearly not enough audio. Four microphone arrays with horns aren't expensive, and they'll hear much further. True, weather restrictions still apply. But they're unlikely to launch a drone in hurricane-force winds.
    Weapons. Why airguns? That requires separate air defense systems, i.e., infrastructure. That's all the military needs to be completely happy.
    Wouldn't a .22LR be enough? It has a longer range, no recoil, and a decent amount of energy. Even 100 meters would be a perfectly realistic range. The drone wouldn't get away with a dent. And it'd be cheaper, too.
    Yes, it’s no longer possible to fit within 20 kg, but the battery life can be much greater.
    A dangerous bullet range? That's true. But are we at war or what?
    I looked at a photo of the Phalanx... Yeah, it's a nice looking machine. Against a single target, detected early... The system's inertia is just too great. During a mass attack, it simply won't have time to target. Just physically. By the time they've turned it, by the time they've dampened the inertia...
    ... Writing such things in open sources... I don't know about ours, but abroad, they'll steal the idea quickly. If it's new. On the other hand, these are all perfectly obvious things, and I don't know why the authors didn't get around to it.
    1. +3
      28 May 2026 11: 41
      On ships and stationary objects it can be combined with water cannons.
      1. +1
        28 May 2026 14: 38
        What's needed isn't a water jet, but something like a multi-jet shower with a quickly rotating head. Incidentally, high-voltage current can also be applied to the jets. The idea is good, but the device is very large, requiring a lot of water and energy. Therefore, it's only suitable for ships and stationary vessels. Even more so for naval vessels.
        1. +2
          29 May 2026 05: 15
          Quote: futurohunter
          What's needed isn't a water jet, but something like a multi-jet shower with a quickly rotating head. Incidentally, high-voltage current can also be applied to the jets. The idea is good, but the device is very large, requiring a lot of water and energy. Therefore, it's only suitable for ships and stationary vessels. Even more so for naval vessels.


          Water flow is a function of the diameter and opening time of the tap and the accuracy of aiming.

          It can be knocked down with short spits with the addition of the same shot, paint and, possibly, liquid conductive polymers that quickly harden in the air to form threads.
          1. 0
            29 May 2026 10: 00
            Here's the question of supplying additional ingredients. But there's an unlimited supply of water overboard. For a stationary object, this is possible when water is supplied from a well or a water main. It's best for seagoing vessels—salt water is more aggressive and conducts electricity well. The advantage of a "shower" is that, firstly, precise placement isn't as important as with a narrow stream, and secondly, it's good at repelling a swarm. Regarding "spitting," that's difficult—it takes time for the water flow to build up. Experiment with a shower, and you'll see how the stream "rises from the floor" for 1-2 seconds. It's difficult to use electricity when spitting. Regarding hardening polymers and other inclusions, nothing will work—the impact is too short-lived for it to work, but it can clog and jam the system at the most crucial moment.
            1. 0
              30 May 2026 06: 38
              Quote: futurohunter
              Here's the question of supplying additional ingredients. But there's an unlimited supply of water overboard. For a stationary object, this is possible when water is supplied from a well or a water main. It's best for seagoing vessels—salt water is more aggressive and conducts electricity well. The advantage of a "shower" is that, firstly, precise placement isn't as important as with a narrow stream, and secondly, it's good at repelling a swarm. Regarding "spitting," that's difficult—it takes time for the water flow to build up. Experiment with a shower, and you'll see how the stream "rises from the floor" for 1-2 seconds. It's difficult to use electricity when spitting. Regarding hardening polymers and other inclusions, nothing will work—the impact is too short-lived for it to work, but it can clog and jam the system at the most crucial moment.


              May be so.
            2. 0
              30 May 2026 06: 44
              Quote: futurohunter
              Here's the question of supplying additional ingredients. But there's an unlimited supply of water overboard. For a stationary object, this is possible when water is supplied from a well or a water main. It's best for seagoing vessels—salt water is more aggressive and conducts electricity well. The advantage of a "shower" is that, firstly, precise placement isn't as important as with a narrow stream, and secondly, it's good at repelling a swarm. Regarding "spitting," that's difficult—it takes time for the water flow to build up. Experiment with a shower, and you'll see how the stream "rises from the floor" for 1-2 seconds. It's difficult to use electricity when spitting. Regarding hardening polymers and other inclusions, nothing will work—the impact is too short-lived for it to work, but it can clog and jam the system at the most crucial moment.


              A shower is a type of smaller, grouped fire hoses,

              Or a removable attachment for one large one, which is put on automatically.

              The shower limits the range of the jet.

              In general, we are talking about the same thing, just with a different emphasis.
          2. 0
            29 May 2026 11: 37
            I remembered another invention by the unforgettable Hedy Lamarr. During World War II, she proposed repelling incoming torpedoes with a jet from a fire hose. So, such a device would also work against surface drones or a submarine carrying saboteurs attempting to board. But with a small caveat: a drone isn't a torpedo, and it can maneuver, trying to avoid the jet. Moreover, the jet won't sink it, but merely keep it at bay. Therefore, while the jet keeps the sea monster at bay, it should be hit with a rifle or grenade launcher.
            Jet systems have a drawback: their short range and the inability to quickly turn the jet to follow a fast-moving target. This is especially true for medium- and large-class ships. Therefore, multiple "showers" are needed. This will also allow for fending off swarms or combined attacks from sea and airborne monsters. The pump drive can also be centralized, from the ship's propulsion system, to increase the power of the hydraulic shock. Incidentally, the "shower head" should also be switchable—a narrow stream from an approaching boat/unmanned aerial vehicle, a "shower" from single UAVs, and a "wide shower" from a UAV swarm. Furthermore, such a system would be suitable not only for military but also for civilian vessels, which are legally prohibited from carrying weapons.
          3. 0
            29 May 2026 11: 52
            I'll add one more thing. Your idea about "spitting" works better with a thick, burning liquid, like fuel oil or napalm. But it "spits out" not from a fire hose, but from a cartridge, and is ignited. You can also make a colloidal solution of fuel oil with gasoline and incendiary ingredients, like phosphorus. And you can swell it with a variety of shrapnel, such as threads, scraps of cable, wire, etc. You can shoot gasoline and ignite it upon firing, creating a burning cloud. The cartridge can be stored in a multi-shot or multi-barrel mount, and after firing, it can be discarded and replaced with a new one.
            The effectiveness of such a system and the ammunition's components can only be determined by experiment. The system's drawback is that it is useless against high-speed, heavy aircraft diving toward a target upon impact. Not only would it penetrate the cloud, but it would also fall on the target burning. In any case, effective defense requires a combination of various defenses, both active fire and passive ones, such as permanent or rapidly deployable nets.
            By the way, a net is also an option: four mortars, with a rolled-up net of thin, ultra-strong thread secured between them. Or a large cartridge with four angled elements and a net between them. It's possible to achieve this: when fired, the deployed net covers a fairly large area of ​​the ship.
            1. 0
              30 May 2026 00: 47
              If it's a cloud, then it's silver.
            2. 0
              30 May 2026 06: 46
              Quote: futurohunter
              In any case, for effective protection it is necessary to combine different means of defense, both active and passive ones.


              It's hard to argue with that.
            3. 0
              30 May 2026 07: 01
              Quote: futurohunter
              I'll add one more thing. Your idea about "spit" is better implemented with a thick burning liquid, like fuel oil or napalm. I'll add one more thing. Your idea about "spit" is better implemented with a thick burning liquid, like fuel oil or napalm. But "it should spit" not from a fire hose,


              Theoretically, this could be done on airsoft balls using a mixture instead of paint.

              The energy of the shot is determined by the pressure, the barrel length, and the time the air valve opens. (As I wrote earlier)
      2. +1
        29 May 2026 05: 17
        Quote from Kuziming
        On ships and stationary objects it can be combined with water cannons.


        It's nice to see smart people here.

        It can be knocked down with short spits with the addition of the same shot, paint and, possibly, liquid conductive polymers that quickly harden in the air to form threads.
    2. 0
      28 May 2026 14: 39
      A drone with a high wing loading and a jet engine will fly even in strong winds.
      The idea is empty - this crap won't bother anyone.
      1. +1
        29 May 2026 05: 22
        Quote: futurohunter
        A drone with a high wing loading and a jet engine will fly even in strong winds.
        The idea is empty - this crap won't bother anyone.


        In this implementation, maybe not, but as a demonstrator of the potential development of the idea and testing of the approach, it is quite possible.
        1. 0
          29 May 2026 10: 02
          Well, I don't know. An air gun would only be good for throwing out a net, but certainly not for shooting at objects. And what are we demonstrating—a regular turret aimed using a picture? That's nothing new.
          1. 0
            30 May 2026 06: 54
            Quote: futurohunter
            Well, I don't know. An air gun would only be good for throwing out a net, but certainly not for shooting at objects. And what are we demonstrating—a regular turret aimed using a picture? That's nothing new.


            The energy of a pneumatic "shot" can be increased by the pressure and acceleration time in the barrel (barrel length and air valve opening time).

            It is possible to fire different striking elements supplied from different bunkers.

            When firing round projectiles, it is theoretically possible to implement a vertical barrel and a rotating end attachment, or even attachments divided into sectors (which reduces the required time for targeting by sector).
    3. 0
      28 May 2026 19: 07
      Quote: Aleksandr Bezfamilnuy
      Regarding the sensors, there's clearly a missing audio channel.
      And radio engineering. A pair of spaced antennas won't significantly increase the mass, but will allow for early readiness.
      Quote: Aleksandr Bezfamilnuy
      Weapons. Why do you need an air gun?
      I agree. It should be at least as good as a 12-gauge. Recoil can be reduced like in a DRP, by firing a blank in the opposite direction.
    4. 0
      29 May 2026 05: 16
      Quote: Aleksandr Bezfamilnuy
      Regarding the sensors, there's clearly not enough audio. Four microphone arrays with horns aren't expensive, and they'll hear much further. True, weather restrictions still apply. But they're unlikely to launch a drone in hurricane-force winds.
      Weapons. Why airguns? That requires separate air defense systems, i.e., infrastructure. That's all the military needs to be completely happy.
      Wouldn't a .22LR be enough? It has a longer range, no recoil, and a decent amount of energy. Even 100 meters would be a perfectly realistic range. The drone wouldn't get away with a dent. And it'd be cheaper, too.
      Yes, it’s no longer possible to fit within 20 kg, but the battery life can be much greater.
      A dangerous bullet range? That's true. But are we at war or what?
      I looked at a photo of the Phalanx... Yeah, it's a nice looking machine. Against a single target, detected early... The system's inertia is just too great. During a mass attack, it simply won't have time to target. Just physically. By the time they've turned it, by the time they've dampened the inertia...
      ... Writing such things in open sources... I don't know about ours, but abroad, they'll steal the idea quickly. If it's new. On the other hand, these are all perfectly obvious things, and I don't know why the authors didn't get around to it.


      It's nice to see smart people here.

      This isn't a problem with open information; those who need it will find out quickly, perhaps even before it's put into use. Still, widespread, sudden deployment isn't expected.
  14. 0
    28 May 2026 09: 35
    It looks like a concept, but a lot needs to be improved. For example, it could be equipped with a smoothbore rifle, a linkless ammunition feed, and special cartridges (like the Perekhvat) in combination with shotgun shells. For increased mobility, it could be mounted on an NRTK.
  15. +4
    28 May 2026 09: 55
    The weight limit here is essentially unnecessary, as is the pneumatics. In my opinion, the pneumatics were used for one reason: (1) they are non-lethal and don't qualify as weapons, which simplifies testing, and (2) they are used solely as a technology demonstrator. A production-scale, real-world model should be equipped with a PKM (7,62mm), but the new RPK-16 (5,45mm) is better, to shoot down targets at a distance of at least 50-75 meters. The carrier should be a robotic tracked platform with a load capacity of up to 300 kg, powered by a cable, or preferably an engine with a generator and battery, which will allow for the installation of the mount itself with a large ammunition count, a generator, and fuel for the battery. The operator simply drives the platform to the desired point (our positions) and disconnects. The platform then operates autonomously, covering the infantry in position; when the battery loses charge, the onboard generator automatically switches on and recharges it. To move their UAVs into position (for supply delivery), the operator remotely deactivates the platform. The infantry replenishes the ammunition by approaching the operational platform and attaching a new 500-round belt to the end of the nearly depleted one.
    1. +1
      28 May 2026 10: 47
      Pneumatics with such muzzle energy still fall under the category of weapons and at the same time remain unacceptably weak, weaker than the Makarov pistol (300-400 J).
      1. +2
        28 May 2026 11: 53
        This energy is quite sufficient to knock down a child's plastic toy containing explosives. But for more serious UAVs, more powerful weapons are, of course, needed. What's needed is a pyramid of weapons, with the simplest ones at the bottom—like pneumatic pellets or net-throwing devices—the next level: bullets and buckshot, then even higher: detonating projectiles, lasers, and electromagnetic directional emitters, and finally, at the top, autonomous homing missiles and drones, or even better, reusable autonomous drone fighters. Moreover, the closer the systems are to the base of the pyramid, the more widespread they should be. I believe that every soldier should have "last resort" defense, which means hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of them. And if such devices cost tens of thousands of rubles (as in this article), they can be manufactured quickly, and they will benefit precisely from their mass production.
        1. +1
          28 May 2026 14: 35
          Pneumatics are completely out of the question. A friend suggested a net launcher below. Shotguns are good too.
      2. -1
        29 May 2026 05: 41
        Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
        Pneumatics with such muzzle energy still fall under the category of weapons and at the same time remain unacceptably weak, weaker than the Makarov pistol (300-400 J).


        Energy is determined by the air pressure in the cylinder.

        The cylinder may be of a different volume.
  16. +1
    28 May 2026 10: 01
    With these the range and accuracy should be better
  17. +4
    28 May 2026 10: 07
    At 25 meters, a net launcher is still more convenient. At least the area affected is larger.
    1. 0
      28 May 2026 14: 34
      A net launcher, indeed! The only alternative is a Metal Storm.
  18. +2
    28 May 2026 10: 08
    In the 30s, a machine gun was patented that consisted of a high-speed centrifuge containing steel balls. Once the centrifuge accelerated, a small window opened, dispersing the steel shrapnel over a considerable distance.
    1. 0
      28 May 2026 14: 34
      That centrifugal machine gun of yours won't hit any drone, and even if it does, it won't stop it.
  19. 0
    28 May 2026 10: 09
    The price for this is obvious and is implied in the name itself. With a total weight of 20 kg and a compact cylinder, it's possible to achieve muzzle energy of around 50-150 joules—the same level as mass-produced 5,5-6,35 mm PCP rifles. .50 PCP systems are lightweight (4-5 kg), but when firing automatic bursts, they're limited not by weight, but by two other constraints: air consumption (the cylinder is depleted in tens of shots instead of thousands)...


    The brain automatically recalled a good old book about weapons from the distant early 2000s - "Weapons special, unusual, exotic - Ardashev A.N. - 2001".

    Next, I quote a piece of text from one of the book’s chapters (I’ve attached a picture below):

    "The South African company, TFM Pty, has developed a "car-mounted rubber bullet thrower" for the police to disperse demonstrations and rallies. Inside the casing, mounted on the roof of a police car, are two horizontal discs with grooves on the rims and a hopper with rubber balls. The discs are driven in counter-rotation by the car's engine, a 100-gram ball, finding itself between the rims of the discs, gains speed up to 80 m / sec. Its energy is quite sufficient to maintain the desired "stopping" effect even at the maximum range - 170 m. Due to the difference in the rotation speeds of the discs, the ball spins left or right and the direction of flight can change within 180 ° (at a right angle to the left and right), without turning the throwing device itself - due to the Flettner effect. The rate of fire is 170 rounds / min. As we can see, centrifugal machine guns, finally, it seemed "Those rejected by the army would have started a new life in peacetime."

    Try this idea (I'm addressing this to domestic developers of anti-drone systems)! It might be just what you need!
    1. 0
      28 May 2026 14: 33
      Well, that's just good for giving people bruises. It's a useless toy against drones. Nobody uses this empty idea.
      1. +1
        28 May 2026 14: 41
        Replace the rubber ball with a steel one, increase the disk rotation speed = ball feed speed. There are many options.

        I only recalled this example from the book because the article pointed out the drawbacks of the system in question: a small supply of lethal elements/balls and a small/quickly depleted volume of compressed air. So I wrote about an idea where air is NOT NEEDED AT ALL, and you could have a whole truckload of balls, as long as there was room for hoppers.
        1. 0
          28 May 2026 15: 54
          Your centrifugal machine gun is very inaccurate, and that's the main reason. The pellets will simply fly past the drone. Plus, the firing system is quite bulky and can't be deployed quickly.
          1. +1
            28 May 2026 16: 37
            Well, then only net launchers or some kind of firearm.

            The photo below shows two examples. The top one has appeared in several Hollywood blockbusters, including "The Running Man," "Escape from L.A." and "Jurassic Park." It's called the "CODA Net Gun" and is designed for capturing animals without harming them. You can see that it's based on a bolt-action mechanism and trigger from a Mauser-type rifle. It fires a net with weights, which is fired with a blank cartridge.
            1. +1
              28 May 2026 16: 41
              Another model, the Polish SZO-84 net-based countermeasure system (Siatkowy Zestaw Obezwladniajacy 84 - net-based countermeasure system, model 1984), operates on the same principle. It is a modification of the RWGL-3 grenade launcher. Its design is based on the AK-47 rifle with a magazine holding 10 blank rounds; reloading is apparently manual. The SZO-84 consists of a rifle grenade launcher for launching RWGL-3 tear gas grenades and a conical attachment mounted on the muzzle of the grenade launcher.

              The front section of the nozzle, covered by a removable cardboard lid, forms the nest for the neutralizing net. Drive pistons are installed around its perimeter, located inside the outlet section of the guide channels. The neutralizing net is made of highly durable plastic thread with a tensile strength of 150 N.
    2. -1
      28 May 2026 14: 58
      Well, I don't know about South Africa, but Israel has similar systems that fire regular gravel. Or sometimes the feces of unclean animals.
    3. -1
      29 May 2026 05: 37
      Quote: Denis_999
      The price for this is obvious and is implied in the name itself. With a total weight of 20 kg and a compact cylinder, it's possible to achieve muzzle energy of around 50-150 joules—the same level as mass-produced 5,5-6,35 mm PCP rifles. .50 PCP systems are lightweight (4-5 kg), but when firing automatic bursts, they're limited not by weight, but by two other constraints: air consumption (the cylinder is depleted in tens of shots instead of thousands)...


      The brain automatically recalled a good old book about weapons from the distant early 2000s - "Weapons special, unusual, exotic - Ardashev A.N. - 2001".

      Next, I quote a piece of text from one of the book’s chapters (I’ve attached a picture below):

      "The South African company, TFM Pty, has developed a "car-mounted rubber bullet thrower" for the police to disperse demonstrations and rallies. Inside the casing, mounted on the roof of a police car, are two horizontal discs with grooves on the rims and a hopper with rubber balls. The discs are driven in counter-rotation by the car's engine, a 100-gram ball, finding itself between the rims of the discs, gains speed up to 80 m / sec. Its energy is quite sufficient to maintain the desired "stopping" effect even at the maximum range - 170 m. Due to the difference in the rotation speeds of the discs, the ball spins left or right and the direction of flight can change within 180 ° (at a right angle to the left and right), without turning the throwing device itself - due to the Flettner effect. The rate of fire is 170 rounds / min. As we can see, centrifugal machine guns, finally, it seemed "Those rejected by the army would have started a new life in peacetime."

      Try this idea (I'm addressing this to domestic developers of anti-drone systems)! It might be just what you need!


      Cool

      Probably the tennis ball dispenser works on the same principle.
  20. 0
    28 May 2026 10: 41
    Well, this is really nothing more than a technology demonstrator. Airguns as a means of destruction?
    IMHO, at the very least, an automatic shotgun is needed (especially since there's nothing stopping it from being belt-fed in a stationary version). And "knitted buckshot" will guarantee effective destruction of the FPV, even accounting for aiming errors. And if you need something really cheap, I'd consider a gauss accelerator for steel buckshot... The same steel balls, but accelerated by coils instead of compressed air—it's faster, quieter, and has a consistent rate of fire as long as there's feed and buckshot in the hopper. And the danger to humans is minimal...
    1. +2
      28 May 2026 14: 31
      Gauss is a useless idea. It requires too much energy, you have to keep the power plant running constantly, etc. It only looks good in demos; it won't work in practice.
      Pneumatics have two big problems: too much dispersion and too little bullet energy.
      Pneumatics could be used to eject elements that create an obstacle to the drone's flight - such as nets, cables, or even barbed wire))
      1. +1
        28 May 2026 15: 37
        The power plant will definitely need to be maintained – drives, a guidance system, and so on – tea isn't powered by the Holy Spirit either. But a capacitor system for a Gaussian rifle might be lighter and quicker to reload than a gas cylinder... We definitely need to do some calculations here, but we don't need to accelerate a bullet to a kilometer per second. A 5mm steel ball is quite capable of reaching 300-400 m/s given its compact size and modest power consumption... So I'd first do some calculations. Last year, the Chinese presented a hand-held Gaussian rifle with a rate of fire of 3000 rounds per minute. It's a perfectly acceptable machine gun with a minimal cost per shot. And throwing out nets is certainly possible... but we'll run into the rate of fire as a limitation of capabilities... It'll take more than one FPV, but a couple, to destroy this "PDO turret."
        1. 0
          28 May 2026 16: 03
          You can unfasten a cylinder and attach another one. You can also bring cylinders from the rear. Your miracle weapon requires a very powerful generator that will provide additional electromagnetic and thermal radiation. Therefore, something will quickly hit it.
          Capacitors don't hold a charge for long, and it also takes some time to charge them. You can't speed up their charging, because increasing the voltage and/or current will cause the dielectric between the plates to break down. So, your generator will have to hum constantly.
          And the problem here isn't just accuracy. You don't need to hit the flying thing so much as disrupt its flight. And to do that, you either need to create an obstacle in the form of some kind of object—and your solution certainly isn't that—or damage the club with a cloud of flying particles at high speed. Could you create such a cloud with a Gaussian beam? I highly doubt it. If your miracle capacitors recharge after each shot, you won't fire often. No one has yet come up with anything better than gunpowder firearms.
          The net doesn't need a high rate of fire. It's enough to deploy ONE net in the enemy's approaching trajectory, and it won't go any further. Multiple shots are only needed against the swarm.
          1. +1
            28 May 2026 16: 40
            Miracle weapons are not my thing... At the very least... I've said many times that "wunderwaffe" doesn't exist by definition.
            As for your objections... well, at the very least you didn't read what I wrote above.
            1) The installation will require power supply in any case... The power consumed by the same power drives is not much less.
            2) Rate of fire (aka cloud of striking elements) - well, the 3000 rpm achieved by the Chinese in a real hand-held (battery-powered) model at least proves that this is a completely achievable value.
            3) The problem with nets is that they don't block a mass attack, let alone block all possible approach trajectories. Yes, that infamous swarm... Do you often see a target attacked by single FPVs these days?
            Again, I don't think Gauss is the only option (I was just suggesting a cost-benefit analysis). In terms of effectiveness, nothing has yet been invented that's more effective than good old shrapnel.
  21. +1
    28 May 2026 10: 48
    Yes, when aiming, the barrel wobbles like... in an ice hole. The video shows that the drone hovered practically motionless, giving the gun time to stabilize. The model is completely inoperable.
    1. +1
      28 May 2026 14: 27
      The sample is simply empty. These guys are just trying to make a buck off the hype. This wunderwaffe won't kill anyone.
  22. +1
    28 May 2026 12: 34
    Developed with our own funds. It turns out no one from above is going to finance it. And what will the Ministry of Defense say: "Where's the money, Zin?" Because they need a lot of it, and it will all go down the drain.
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  24. 0
    28 May 2026 12: 52
    I wonder why "Serval" wasn't suitable?
    The Serval compact small arms control system (M-SUO). This system is a complex comprising control systems and remotely controlled combat modules for mounting various weapons.
    The optoelectronic device and combat module guide optics and weapons over a horizontal sector of 160° and a vertical range of -20° to +80°. The system automatically tracks targets at a speed of up to 60 degrees per second. It is designed to engage small ground, surface, and air targets and can be deployed on various platforms, expanding its mission range.

    Tests at the firing range and in the Pacific Fleet unit showed excellent results: the Serval hit three targets with three shots, while the shooter needed 20 rounds.
  25. 0
    28 May 2026 13: 55
    From an engineering point of view, respect to the authors of the invention.
    In terms of effectiveness on the battlefield, the system is "zero".
    Where are the military specialists in the creation of weapons systems?
    Has the Ministry of Defense completely abandoned the creation of mobile air defense systems?
    In this context, it is clear why the gun is pneumatic.
    Who will allow civilians to test firearms?
    I assume that among the creators of this miracle there are not even hunters or bombers.
    But, nevertheless, the development is worthwhile.
    If there had been even one real combat officer on the development team (with all due respect, the soldiers here need an officer with technical knowledge), he would have suggested that 25 meters is nothing.
    The video shows that the drone is motionless, and I assume that is the only reason it is hit.
    Where should I put such a contraption?
    To cover a 100 x 100 meter area, you'll need at least 16 of these devices. A total of 25.
    The topic is good, but so far there is IRRATIONAL ENTHUSIASM.
    But even in this case, this is more than the participation of dozens of research institutes and other offices from the Ministry of Defense, which have been doing what for 4 years?
    It seems like a sham to me.
    Here I see this approach:
    The same system, but based on the automatic gas station.
    Shots fired at it must have controlled detonation.
    The detection system is comprehensive—optics, sound, and even a mini-radar would be suitable. A range of more than 3 km isn't needed.
    Naturally, this is larger in terms of weight and dimensions, but the efficiency will also be higher.
    But the main problem is the lack of a role for the Ministry of Defense.
    All that remains is naked enthusiasm and the desire to develop something.
    Even if the intentions are good.
  26. +1
    28 May 2026 13: 58
    An airsoft machine gun with a VVD costs around 100 rubles. A similar one with a gearbox (compressor) costs around 150. Making an indestructible gearbox is much cheaper and easier than making a VVD with a compressor (no compressor required). Everything has already been tested, you only need electricity. And it can easily fire 0,4-gram BBs up to 150 meters at a rate of fire of around 1500 rounds per minute (there's no 3-joule exhaust limit). I personally saw a drone (I think it was a Mavic) shot down in a game with a regular, unmodified machine gun (120 m/s with a 0,2-gram BB).
    Targeting is much more difficult, and the cost isn't clear to me. But the firing part is easily manageable at 200k.
    1. 0
      29 May 2026 06: 09
      Quote from Huggie
      An airsoft machine gun with a VVD costs around 100 rubles. A similar one with a gearbox (compressor) costs around 150. Making an indestructible gearbox is much cheaper and easier than making a VVD with a compressor (no compressor required). Everything has already been tested, you only need electricity. And it can easily fire 0,4-gram BBs up to 150 meters at a rate of fire of around 1500 rounds per minute (there's no 3-joule exhaust limit). I personally saw a drone (I think it was a Mavic) shot down in a game with a regular, unmodified machine gun (120 m/s with a 0,2-gram BB).
      Targeting is much more difficult, and the cost isn't clear to me. But the firing part is easily manageable at 200k.


      Cool

      By the way, I also wondered about the applicability of airsoft devices.

      I wonder what the maximum working pressure, acceleration, and air resistance airsoft balls can withstand?
      1. 0
        31 May 2026 08: 26
        Pressure, acceleration, and resistance seem to be practically anything needed. We loaded airsoft balls instead of shot, and they didn't shatter until they hit something hard. Ball bearings are always a last resort.
        1. 0
          1 June 2026 09: 00
          Quote from Huggie
          Pressure, acceleration, and resistance seem to be practically anything needed. We loaded airsoft balls instead of shot, and they didn't shatter until they hit something hard. Ball bearings are always a last resort.


          This is good.

          So, Comrade Airsoft players should try experimenting with this while maintaining safety precautions (including within the law).
  27. +2
    28 May 2026 14: 26
    I'm afraid this system won't shoot down anything at all, and will be destroyed at the front within a few minutes.
    1. Pneumatics have a very wide dispersion. Hitting the rotating blades of even four propellers on a high-speed drone is very difficult. And the drone flies fast.
    2. Airguns have very low projectile energy. If the blades are made of carbon fiber and all components are enclosed in strong metal or carbon fiber cases, the bullets will only damage the optics.
    An airplane-type drone wouldn't care at all about such a rattle, even if it made holes in it.
    3. It is correctly noted here that with a target area of ​​25 meters, there is too little time left to turn towards the target, especially if the drone "jumps out of the grass"
    4. What will this ratchet do when 3-4 or even more drones attack at the same time, especially from different distances?
    5. Another problem: such a wonder weapon requires a good line of sight, meaning it would have to be installed in the open, and so high above the terrain. This means the wonder weapon would be spotted by the first reconnaissance drone. And then... If shells don't land, a swarm of drones will. In short, the only use for this wonder weapon is as a decoy for drones, which is fortunately inexpensive. But it can't be used to defend anything!
    What kind of systems are needed, in my humble opinion? They should quickly create either a cloud of projectiles in front of the flying monster, or an impassable obstacle. Therefore, a multi-barrel or cluster system, a la Metall Storm, perhaps with barrels pointing in different directions so as not to require much turning toward the monster, is ideal. Perhaps a repeating device that fires a rapidly deploying net that will entangle the monster.
    A net launcher variant: a multi-barrel device loaded with cartridges containing a folded quadrangular net. Microcharges are attached to the corners of the net, quickly extending the net by their corners. Each charge has a remote tube that ignites upon firing, ensuring the charges are detonated a fraction of a second after leaving the barrel. Other options for deploying the net are also possible. It can even be ejected using the same pneumatic weapon, but the main thing is to fire the net at a certain distance from the approaching drone to ensure a collision with it and prevent the net from falling.
    Another option: a multi-barrel launcher firing strong cables, possibly with barbs. Weights are attached to both ends of each cable to ensure cable extension and stable flight. Multiple barrels fire the weapon, creating a cloud of cables that will entangle the drone.
    This can all be turned into an incendiary version: an aerosol cloud is fired, with a flammable fuse in the middle that ignites it. A drone caught in this cloud takes damage from the ensuing flames. This can even be used against drone swarms.
    Another option: a "flying net." Launchers are placed on the ground around the protected facility, with nets stretched between them. There are four launchers per net. The launcher barrels are angled, and when fired, they stretch the net. There may even be two launchers—in this case, the net is anchored to the ground at its two lower ends, creating a kind of "temporary wall."
    In any case, until all this appears, nothing will replace a good shotgun or a ZU-23
    1. +1
      28 May 2026 15: 06
      You're absolutely right about everything except your belief in the enemy's omnipotence. And even if the enemy has the strength to destroy this device, let them waste it on it, not on our living fighter.

      But most importantly, this is one of the first correct steps in the fight against drones after 4 years of technological masturbation.
      1. 0
        28 May 2026 15: 57
        Where did you find this belief in the "enemy's omnipotence"? Besides, weapons need to be developed not against a specific outskirts, but for long-term use, because the drone threat won't go away.
        There's no such thing as four years. People are working. And the entire world hasn't yet found a sufficiently effective solution to the drone threat. I hope they do it soon. Maybe in the ways I'm proposing, or maybe something completely different...
        1. 0
          28 May 2026 19: 37
          There is very little confidence in your ability to live on the LBS.
          As for effective ways to combat drones, look up my comments from 22-23. I wasn't able to write everything, but...

          The value of this development lies not only in the correct weapon architecture, but also in the beginning of the creation of correct software.
      2. 0
        30 May 2026 22: 29
        "technological masturbation" Mark my words! By the time they're ready to accept it, it won't be a war, it'll be over! If they wanted to, they would have done it a long time ago, just like with the drones. Until those stinking thieving rats master the production process, nothing will happen. Respect to the guys, and the main thing is, don't let them get locked up. Since the days of the Soviet Union, initiative, as they say, is punishable.
    2. -1
      28 May 2026 16: 22
      Just what the doctor ordered for ATVs https://athlonoutdoors.com/article/american-180-subgun-rimfire/ Cheap ammo, low recoil. Mount a similar weapon to a homing system and voila...
      1. 0
        29 May 2026 06: 20
        Quote: Evgeny_Sviridenko
        Just what the doctor ordered for ATVs https://athlonoutdoors.com/article/american-180-subgun-rimfire/ Cheap ammo, low recoil. Mount a similar weapon to a homing system and voila...


        Yes, a small-bore rifle seems like an interesting option for solving the problem of close-range air defense against small drones.

        And if we also implement multi-bullet capability in its cartridge...
    3. +1
      1 June 2026 09: 09
      Quote: futurohunter
      I'm afraid this system won't shoot down anything at all, and will be destroyed at the front within a few minutes.
      1. Pneumatics have a very wide dispersion. Hitting the rotating blades of even four propellers on a high-speed drone is very difficult. And the drone flies fast.
      2. Airguns have very low projectile energy. If the blades are made of carbon fiber and all components are enclosed in strong metal or carbon fiber cases, the bullets will only damage the optics.
      An airplane-type drone wouldn't care at all about such a rattle, even if it made holes in it.
      3. It is correctly noted here that with a target area of ​​25 meters, there is too little time left to turn towards the target, especially if the drone "jumps out of the grass"
      4. What will this ratchet do when 3-4 or even more drones attack at the same time, especially from different distances?
      5. Another problem: such a wonder weapon requires a good line of sight, meaning it would have to be installed in the open, and so high above the terrain. This means the wonder weapon would be spotted by the first reconnaissance drone. And then... If shells don't land, a swarm of drones will. In short, the only use for this wonder weapon is as a decoy for drones, which is fortunately inexpensive. But it can't be used to defend anything!
      What kind of systems are needed, in my humble opinion? They should quickly create either a cloud of projectiles in front of the flying monster, or an impassable obstacle. Therefore, a multi-barrel or cluster system, a la Metall Storm, perhaps with barrels pointing in different directions so as not to require much turning toward the monster, is ideal. Perhaps a repeating device that fires a rapidly deploying net that will entangle the monster.
      A net launcher variant: a multi-barrel device loaded with cartridges containing a folded quadrangular net. Microcharges are attached to the corners of the net, quickly extending the net by their corners. Each charge has a remote tube that ignites upon firing, ensuring the charges are detonated a fraction of a second after leaving the barrel. Other options for deploying the net are also possible. It can even be ejected using the same pneumatic weapon, but the main thing is to fire the net at a certain distance from the approaching drone to ensure a collision with it and prevent the net from falling.
      Another option: a multi-barrel launcher firing strong cables, possibly with barbs. Weights are attached to both ends of each cable to ensure cable extension and stable flight. Multiple barrels fire the weapon, creating a cloud of cables that will entangle the drone.
      This can all be turned into an incendiary version: an aerosol cloud is fired, with a flammable fuse in the middle that ignites it. A drone caught in this cloud takes damage from the ensuing flames. This can even be used against drone swarms.
      Another option: a "flying net." Launchers are placed on the ground around the protected facility, with nets stretched between them. There are four launchers per net. The launcher barrels are angled, and when fired, they stretch the net. There may even be two launchers—in this case, the net is anchored to the ground at its two lower ends, creating a kind of "temporary wall."
      In any case, until all this appears, nothing will replace a good shotgun or a ZU-23


      I think the comrades were solving the problem of CIWS from PDO (i.e. minimizing damage from friendly fire, which is very important in rear areas and group PDO at the front).

      I.E. Conditions: the drones are already nearby, they are relatively small, there are many of them

      Hence the low energy and very small radius of destruction.
      1. 0
        2 June 2026 15: 45
        Friendly fire - do you mean when the villain falls after being defeated and deals damage to his own?
        In fact, I think the comrades were trying to "sell something using a popular theme." Because their wunderwaffe would be of very little use, and it would create a harmful illusion of protection...
        1. 0
          3 June 2026 02: 28
          Quote: futurohunter
          Friendly fire - do you mean when the villain falls after being defeated and deals damage to his own?
          In fact, I think the comrades were trying to "sell something using a popular theme." Because their wunderwaffe would be of very little use, and it would create a harmful illusion of protection...


          A deadly fire is when, while knocking down a slydnya, you shoot the head of a comrade you're saving from the evil one. Etc.

          Place a Zark Armor on the roof of one of the buildings in the neighborhood and start shooting at drones flying at roof level or below and see the consequences.

          Etc.

          It would also be interesting to look at the consequences of the KAZ on the BM on infantry lying nearby or hiding behind the BM.

          Etc.
          1. 0
            3 June 2026 09: 19
            I see. Only the Ukrainians place anti-aircraft guns among residential buildings. We don't use active protection systems precisely because of the danger to infantry. Although, if something hits a tank, there's a good chance the infantry around it won't be so happy either.
            There are also kinetic anti-drones, like the "Yolka," which can be knocked down by ramming. It doesn't contain explosives in case it's lost and falls. It can also fall on its own.
            1. 0
              3 June 2026 10: 03
              Quote: futurohunter
              Only the Ukrainians place anti-aircraft guns among residential buildings. We don't use active protection systems precisely because of the danger to infantry. Although, if something hits a tank, there's a good chance the infantry around it won't be so happy either.
              There are also kinetic anti-drones, like the "Yolka," which can be knocked down by ramming. It doesn't contain explosives in case it's lost and falls. It can also fall on its own.



              Note, I didn't say that about anti-aircraft guns.
              https://m-kemerovo.tsargrad.tv/news/zrk-pancir-ustanovili-na-neboskrjob-biznes-centra-nordstar-tower-v-moskve-video_1711981
              https://topwar.ru/209216-skripach-na-kryshe-i-v-pancire.html

              Ah, that's why there is no kaza, i.e. because of the possibility of friendly fire.

              Depends on what arrives and where.

              There are Christmas trees, but not where they should be, not everywhere and not when they should be.
              To use your own thesis, what will a Christmas tree do to a long-range UAV in the form of a light aircraft? (It will shoot it down, not it will shoot it down).

              In short, all kinds of systems are needed in commercial quantities and different qualities.
              1. 0
                3 June 2026 15: 25
                The Hiss-Ratchet, especially, won't shoot down an airplane. The Yolka can only handle a small copter. It can only shoot down an airplane if it dives at high speed, somewhere like the wing, to inflict asymmetrical damage or flip it over. But hitting it in that case is very difficult.
                Definitely, we need different systems! After all, drones are very different. And there could be small particles, weighing less than a kilogram, but no less dangerous. But against them, something like a shotgun is best.
                1. 0
                  4 June 2026 03: 01
                  Quote: futurohunter
                  The Hiss-Ratchet, especially, won't shoot down an airplane. The Yolka can only handle a small copter. It can only shoot down an airplane if it dives at high speed, somewhere like the wing, to inflict asymmetrical damage or flip it over. But hitting it in that case is very difficult.
                  Definitely, we need different systems! After all, drones are very different. And there could be small particles, weighing less than a kilogram, but no less dangerous. But against them, something like a shotgun is best.



                  I don't really understand the purpose of continuing this dialogue, as we're basically talking about the same thing. The only difference is in the assessment of a specific device based on an incomplete description. I think this is a good first prototype if we develop it further.

                  But let it be that you are absolutely right.
    4. 0
      1 June 2026 09: 18
      Quote: futurohunter
      Therefore, it is a multi-barrel, or cassette system, a la Metall Storm, possibly with barrels facing in different directions, so that you don’t have to turn too much towards the bastard.


      A metal storm analogue, also implemented on a similar installation, is possible through a multi-barrel system and, of course, on stark devices.
      In this case, slight dispersion may even be beneficial.
      1. 0
        2 June 2026 15: 46
        Metal Storm still has a big advantage - it's a firearm, and the energy of the striking elements, unlike hissing wunderwaffes, is high enough to destroy anything flying
        1. 0
          3 June 2026 02: 44
          Quote: futurohunter
          Metal Storm still has a big advantage - it's a firearm, and the energy of the striking elements, unlike hissing wunderwaffes, is high enough to destroy anything flying


          I already answered you about energy.
          It is a function of pressure, air delivery time and barrel length.
          1. 0
            3 June 2026 09: 21
            There's another damaging factor specific to firearms, or fragmentation ammunition: when fired or detonated, the projectile heats up significantly. At close range, this increases the destructive effect.
            1. 0
              3 June 2026 10: 06
              Quote: futurohunter
              There's another damaging factor specific to firearms, or fragmentation ammunition: when fired or detonated, the projectile heats up significantly. At close range, this increases the destructive effect.


              And the barrel overheats relatively quickly.

              Pneumatics theoretically allows
              Regulate power
              And cool the barrel by means of cooled compressed working fluid (air)
              Well, and reduce the need for cleaning the barrel

              Naturally, this does not mean that the comrades are doing this, but the development of this idea is quite possible for them too.
              1. 0
                3 June 2026 15: 32
                Airguns don't require barrel cooling. Incidentally, if you've ever shot an airgun, you've probably noticed the barrel gets cold. And there's no need to clean the barrel—it doesn't build up carbon deposits.
                Regarding firearms overheating during intensive firing, this problem has been known since the days of the Maxim machine gun, but it was solved very simply. Nothing prevents the addition of a cooler to continuous-fire systems today.
                However, a firearm with the same firing power as an airgun will be much more compact, lighter, and won't require cylinders or compressors. And with comparable size and weight, it will have much better performance. In short, you haven't dispelled my skepticism about airguns.
                1. 0
                  4 June 2026 03: 00
                  Quote: futurohunter
                  Airguns don't require barrel cooling. Incidentally, if you've ever shot an airgun, you've probably noticed the barrel gets cold. And there's no need to clean the barrel—it doesn't build up carbon deposits.
                  Regarding firearms overheating during intensive firing, this problem has been known since the days of the Maxim machine gun, but it was solved very simply. Nothing prevents the addition of a cooler to continuous-fire systems today.
                  However, a firearm with the same firing power as an airgun will be much more compact, lighter, and won't require cylinders or compressors. And with comparable size and weight, it will have much better performance. In short, you haven't dispelled my skepticism about airguns.


                  I don't really understand the purpose of continuing this dialogue, as we're basically talking about the same thing. The only difference is in the assessment of a specific device based on an incomplete description. I think this is a good first prototype if we develop it further.

                  But let it be that you are absolutely right.
          2. 0
            3 June 2026 15: 39
            Not quite. Pneumatic systems have pressure limitations. The higher the pressure, the thicker and heavier all the tubes and valves, making it more difficult to protect against air leaks and ruptures. Increasing the barrel length of an air gun only makes sense when the pressure increases—the bullet won't accelerate any faster anyway, as friction and air resistance are inevitable. And at too high a pressure, most of the air will simply fly out of the barrel, having no effect on the bullet. Significantly increasing the air supply time doesn't make sense for the same reason. The optimal design would be to place some kind of obstacle in front of the bullet, like a membrane or plug, preventing it from escaping until the required pressure is reached. Then the bullet simply ruptures the membrane or pushes out the plug. But it's all still too complicated. Again, the firearm's design is simpler.
            1. 0
              4 June 2026 03: 04
              Quote: futurohunter
              Not quite. Pneumatic systems have pressure limitations. The higher the pressure, the thicker and heavier all the tubes and valves, making it more difficult to protect against air leaks and ruptures. Increasing the barrel length of an air gun only makes sense when the pressure increases—the bullet won't accelerate any faster anyway, as friction and air resistance are inevitable. And at too high a pressure, most of the air will simply fly out of the barrel, having no effect on the bullet. Significantly increasing the air supply time doesn't make sense for the same reason. The optimal design would be to place some kind of obstacle in front of the bullet, like a membrane or plug, preventing it from escaping until the required pressure is reached. Then the bullet simply ruptures the membrane or pushes out the plug. But it's all still too complicated. Again, the firearm's design is simpler.


              There is no need to perceive pneumatics as a remedy against everything.

              Let it be a system with the ability to adjust the power of a VCIWS shot with the first word very


              I don't really understand the purpose of continuing this dialogue, as we're basically talking about the same thing. The only difference is in the assessment of a specific device based on an incomplete description. I think this is a good first prototype if we develop it further.

              But let it be that you are absolutely right.
  28. 0
    28 May 2026 15: 03
    Great job, guys. I could have given them some tips on how to make the mechanics of their toy even cheaper. Besides, I think shooting bullets at drones is ineffective. Guided micro-rockets with a small explosive charge are better.
  29. +1
    28 May 2026 15: 10
    Many commentators are hating on airguns. Apparently they haven't really experienced what airguns can do.
    It can do a lot, a lot. Most importantly, it can produce a huge "fire" density over a range of 25-50 meters. And the "bullet" can generate enough energy to split a drone's body. And all this for next to nothing. It needs to be put into trial operation and honed to its maximum potential.
    1. 0
      2 June 2026 15: 52
      Protecting a drone from these pneumatics of yours isn't difficult—just switch to carbon fiber or another durable material. The main goal isn't to destroy something flying—a hissing drone won't do that—but to stop it from flying. And you don't even have to destroy the bad guy; you can create an obstacle for him, for example, so he can't turn his propellers or his wings can't generate lift. To do this, simply throw something over him or entangle him.
      And this hissy fit won't even be able to defend itself. Because if something flies at it with high speed and sufficient mass, it will reach it, no matter how hard it hits it.
      1. +1
        2 June 2026 17: 51
        A pre-charged pneumatic gun can accelerate a steel ball to 250 m/s and produce energy comparable to a pistol bullet.
        What carbon fiber can withstand this?
        Thin and lightweight carbon fiber. After all, we're talking about copters weighing a couple of kilos.
        1. 0
          2 June 2026 20: 07
          1. It's not guaranteed to hit. The firing range is short, the spread is very wide, and there's almost no time to aim.
          2. The copter has more than one propeller. If one or two blades break off, the rest of the propellers will still work.
          3. Cannot fight off a group attack
          4. Firearms, due to their high projectile energy, are easy to camouflage. For example, they can be hidden in a box, covered with cloth, paper, etc. This miracle machine of yours would have to be completely exposed and attract attention, which is bad in every way.
          5. It won't fight off an aircraft-type drone. Even if it punctures it, it will still reach the Wundwaffe and hit it. The same thing will happen if a copter dives at it at a steep angle. Incidentally, the projectile energy will drop significantly when fired at a steep angle, and the already high dispersion will be even greater.
          In a word, it's rubbish.
          1. 0
            4 June 2026 10: 01
            1. Whether or not it hits the target will depend on the "brains," and these days, that's a cheap component. Cameras and a processing unit.
            2. The energy could well be on par with a pistol bullet. This would be enough for more than just the blades.
            3. Air defense is always a system. A lone suicide bomber. Such installations must cover an area. And there must be several of them. Accordingly, they must cover each other.
            4. It can be camouflaged in the same way. And the energy level is comparable to a firearm's, not a problem. And the cost per shot is several times lower.
            5. System. Multiple installations. Both fixed-wing and high-angle. Clearly, it's not a panacea. Cheap ones will be easy to shoot down. But anything larger and more expensive will cost more than the installation, and that's where economics come into play. An expensive drone against a cheap gun is already good. It's clear it'll run out faster.
            1. 0
              4 June 2026 14: 17
              1. It also depends on the dispersion of the specific system and the time to hit the target. Airguns have a large dispersion, but the time to hit the target is too short.
              2. It's not just about the energy, but also the shape of the ammunition. A pointed or serrated bullet will hit something much better than a ball or a round-nose bullet. Again, there are a ton of factors involved, like the angle of impact, etc. Unfortunately, airguns are poor at this. And against "airplanes" or diving FPVs, they're practically useless.
              3. Definitely. Moreover, the installations should also be of various systems: from a shotgun to an anti-aircraft missile system—since the flying vermin are also very diverse. As well as smoke generators, electronic warfare, lasers, and networks.
              4. An airgun's barrel must always be open. Otherwise, the bullet will fly anywhere. A firearm can even penetrate the "membrane" behind which it's concealed. As for the cost of a shot, those cylinders of yours also need to be charged, or a constantly chugging compressor installed. And then the "cost of a shot" from an airgun will be the same as that from a firearm. Furthermore, the reaction time of a firearm will be several times slower than that of an airgun.
              5. It seems you haven't figured out the problem. A fixed-wing drone isn't a rubber-band model with tissue-paper wings! It's a robust enough structure that will continue to fly even with holes, especially when diving toward a target. To make it "fall right there," you'd have to destroy its fuselage, break its wings, and so on. And your ratchet won't have enough power to do that. Not even any firearm can handle it!
              By the way, regarding the price comparison between the installation/shot and the drone. It's not a given that a drone capable of shooting down a spitfire will be more expensive than the spitfire. The spitfire's electronics are certainly not cheaper. And all those kinematics and pneumatics can cost more than a plywood-and-plastic structure with a cheap motor.
      2. 0
        3 June 2026 02: 30
        Quote: futurohunter
        Protecting a drone from these pneumatics of yours isn't difficult—just switch to carbon fiber or another durable material. The main goal isn't to destroy something flying—a hissing drone won't do that—but to stop it from flying. And you don't even have to destroy the bad guy; you can create an obstacle for him, for example, so he can't turn his propellers or his wings can't generate lift. To do this, simply throw something over him or entangle him.
        And this hissy fit won't even be able to defend itself. Because if something flies at it with high speed and sufficient mass, it will reach it, no matter how hard it hits it.


        "
        A pre-charged pneumatic gun can accelerate a steel ball to 250 m/s and produce energy comparable to a pistol bullet.
        What carbon fiber can withstand this?
        Thin and lightweight carbon fiber. After all, we're talking about copters weighing a couple of kilos.
        © tov garri-lin
  30. 0
    28 May 2026 15: 18
    Why then do drones remain a headache in the NWO?
    1. 0
      28 May 2026 19: 42
      Because such systems are only effective at ranges of up to 100 meters. And at least 5000 units are needed for the LBS alone. And another 10 times more for rear-area facilities.
      We need money! Money that Nabiullina grabbed.
      1. 0
        30 May 2026 22: 42
        What does Nabiullina have to do with this, I don't understand. Maybe it's not Nabiullina, but Gref, Volodin, Patrushev, Bortnikov, Piskov, Deripaska, the Rotenbergs, the Kovalchuks, the Millers, and 15 million other stinking thieving rats—maybe it's them, huh?! Nabiullina wanted to leave her post from the very beginning of the "non-war," but they wouldn't let her, because, alas, there are no "competent" ones. There are thieving rats, with zero competence.
  31. +2
    28 May 2026 16: 18
    The system I think is impractical for military field conditions and has many weaknesses. The system as I envision it:
    1) An electric platform designed for mounting a standard AK or RPK, no compressed air, standard ammunition or "ellipsis".
    2) The optical guidance system is duplicate and corrective, the main system is, as already noted here, acoustic, optionally radar.
    Of course, recoil is a bottleneck, and you could replace the AK or RPK with a KRISS Vector or FN P90 submachine gun, but it's already clear that this is unlikely in our reality. So, the recoil compensators will have to be modified. It immediately seems that a domestic submachine gun like the KRISS Vector or FN P90 would be very useful. And if one existed, the developers might not have bothered with the PCP system. There's also another interesting option, perfect for quadcopters. It's a .22 LR caliber. The American-180 is a typical example of how this is implemented. It fires from 1200 to 1500 rounds per minute. It has very low recoil. .22 LR pellets are enough for any quadcopter. And the American-180 will tear any quadcopter to shreds... And the range is now up to 100 meters. And what about air? Another logistics headache: cylinders, compressors, etc. But still, the developers did a great job. I respect anyone who's doing anything.
    1. +1
      28 May 2026 16: 47
      By the way, we had our own version for the 22nd... Blum machine gun.
      Applicable cartridge - 5,6-mm 22LR
      Slicing - 4
      The maximum range of the bullet - 1000 m
      Rate of Shooting - 600 rds / min
      Drum magazine capacity - 39 rounds
      Machine gun weight without magazine - 3,3 kg
      Store Weight - 1,1 kg
      Machine gun length - 946 mm
      Just slightly change the food and you have a ready-made version.
    2. 0
      28 May 2026 16: 53
      The American-180 has a rotary magazine with 165, 177, 220, or 275 rounds. Its rate of fire is 1200-1500 rounds per minute. So, what do we have?
      1. The extremely high rate of fire causes the barrel to overheat and even such high-capacity magazines to be consumed quite quickly.
      2. The disc-drum power supply itself is a capricious thing, prone to breakdowns and delays.
      3. There needs to be someone on staff who will (manually?) stuff these hundreds of small, awkward cartridges into the "pancakes". IT WILL BE AN ANXIETY.
      1. 0
        28 May 2026 19: 31
        I agree, but the loading system could be improved somehow. Make it a magazine-fed, belt-fed system, like the FN P90. And I brought up the American-180 as an option to consider. Rate of fire against flying targets is a plus, but fire density is needed for reliability. And loading? I (or rather, almost the entire crew) loaded the AK-630 gun mount. Some hauled shells, others loaded and connected the belts, and I turned the crank like an organ grinder... It's long and tedious, but that's what military work is for – you have to do a lot of manual work...
    3. 0
      30 May 2026 00: 58
      This is where the PPSh comes into play.
  32. 0
    28 May 2026 17: 54
    The NeuroPVO Laboratory is a civilian team of engineers developing the Kupol 25 system using its own funds and openly publishing its designs.

    And that says it all. It won't go beyond the prototype stage. If the developers want a government contract, they'll be asked to convert all their technologies to military-grade standards. And bam! They won't be able to do that, as that would require a different level of expertise.
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      30 May 2026 22: 46
      The main thing is that they don't put me in jail! Otherwise, initiative is punishable here.
  33. +1
    28 May 2026 20: 57
    What if we put all this electronics on a ZU-23 or Shilka? What would the effect be?
  34. 0
    29 May 2026 03: 14
    To increase effectiveness, specialized ammunition (like expanding nets or something like the "Intercept") is needed, not monolithic bullets. At the stated short range, their poor ballistics are no longer a factor.
  35. 0
    29 May 2026 04: 22
    There's not enough stock for every box of classic air defense systems: a single anti-aircraft missile costs more than a city block of FPV drones.


    They say there may be options:
    https://m.vk.com/wall-86201393_209276

    A hundred square meters of greenery, excluding assembly labor and, naturally, excluding serial production.

    That is, it turns out that any carrot and other shots for an RPG/RG can potentially be budget ATGMs and budget drone interceptors.
  36. +2
    29 May 2026 04: 51
    Comrade agond should be happy about the neurodestruction.

    But personally, I would build a device based on a fire hose with the option of adding pellets and paint to the stream.

    And if you're going to bother with a rifle, then use a small-bore submachine gun like the Calico M100.
    1. 0
      29 May 2026 17: 46
      A very good idea for covering stationary objects. Water supplies, pumps, and control units can be hidden underground.
      1. 0
        30 May 2026 07: 02
        Quote: mongol9999
        A very good idea for covering stationary objects. Water supplies, pumps, and control units can be hidden underground.


        It's also suitable for putting out fires.
      2. 0
        30 May 2026 10: 05
        Quote: mongol9999
        A very good idea for covering stationary objects. Water supplies, pumps, and control units can be hidden underground.


        I would also experiment with road protection by placing the HydroPDO installations themselves inside mesh anti-drone corridors (separate mesh boxes while the corridors are being built).

        The pipelines are buried.
        If there is an unlimited supply of water in the source, it is possible to lay open channels along the road.

        And it goes without saying that if this system operates reliably without grid corridors, waterways could become logistics routes.

        Which can also simultaneously serve as HydroPDO barriers against low-flying, relatively small-sized drones.
  37. 0
    29 May 2026 12: 14
    A 100J air rifle fired at a drone with a 15-25m burst is already something. But what if the energy were increased to 1K? Air rifles like these are sold in America, and some of them are made by our engineers. Do you know how long the equipment lasts in an open field? Very briefly. With a device like this, it will last 3-5 times longer. The savings from one such turret are millions. The problem lies elsewhere. More than 3J is already a weapon. A license is required for development and production. A license is required for the development of a target acquisition system. Engineers at military research institutes have neither the time nor the experience with such air rifles, and those who do have experience don't have a license. If this problem were easily solved, such turrets would have been installed on our vehicles for a couple of years already.
    1. 0
      30 May 2026 22: 52
      Rats can't do anything. They only know how to take away and divide, not create. Yandex, Mail.ru, and VKontakte were all taken over by these stinking, thieving rats, without doing anything. And they're built on an American board with AI, so I could easily label them foreign agents and lock them up.
  38. 0
    29 May 2026 17: 44
    Only I came up with a tactic of attacking such turrets by diving.
    1. 0
      30 May 2026 23: 08
      Why dive when you can drop? Baba Yaga drops shells with 100% accuracy from 300 meters. And cheap FPVs can throw grenades. 25 meters is nothing. The idea is worthwhile, and it needs to be invested in to bring it up to firearms, at least a shotgun, or better yet, pellet ammo for machine guns, or remotely detonating shells.
  39. 0
    30 May 2026 02: 03
    Then a paintball marker. The paintballs will hit the hull, and the propellers will suck in the paint. I think they'll jam. Has anyone ever hit a FPV with a marker?
  40. 0
    31 May 2026 00: 03
    The idea is interesting, and it needs to be fully developed, including firearms, because airguns are of little use. Drones can not only fly, but also drop missiles. For example, Baba Yaga can throw them with 100% accuracy from 300 meters. What's stopping FPV drones from doing the same?! That's right, nothing. So, just firearms and nothing else. Look at all the fishermen, catching things with nets! Ridiculous. Firearms, cheap and cheerful. Drones don't fly empty-handed either; ammo is certainly cheaper, especially shotgun shells, which are cheaper than drones with grenades. And don't confuse people with this "wonder weapon" with a hydrant, toilet water, and sand. The main thing is that these guys don't get jailed for their initiative.
    So what are you telling UVZ to do now with its patented "grill," huh?! Finally, billions of dollars were spent in just four years!!! And now what?! What's to be done? We've spent it all, there's nothing left. We'll have to raise taxes and prices. What did you expect? Communism is like that, without embellishment or pathos.