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At present, the Armed Forces do not have a viable technical support system.

The plants of the Ministry of Defense included in Aviaremont OJSC will be transferred to industry and state corporations. The transfer was initiated by Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, refusing, as he put it, "mechanics and turners". How will this affect the combat readiness of the Air Force? Anatoly Sitnov, a member of the Public Council, the Chairman of the Military Industrial Commission under the Government of the Russian Federation, and the President - Chairman of the Board of Directors of Aviadvigatory Company Vladimir Klimov - Motor Sich, Colonel-General answers this and other questions in an interview with our correspondent.

"MIC": Anatoly Petrovich, why should the head of the military department lose the structure on which the combat readiness of the Air Force directly depends?

- Shoigu was instructed to transfer aircraft repair bodies to industry. I don’t know who gave it away, the Minister of Defense only announced it. Nobody cares today about the situation with the repair. tanks, military equipment, weapons. Everyone is interested aviation factories where aircraft and engines are being repaired. Especially the enterprise in Staraya Russa, where IL-76 transport aircraft are serviced, the plant in Kubinka, which is located near Moscow, you can drive out the military and land business aviation, Yeisk bush is the south, Chkalovsky airfield near Moscow with well-established infrastructure. There is only one sense of what is happening - to pull apart sweet pieces, and then even though the grass does not grow.

"MIC": Is it just that? And the public interest? After all, there is an enormous and successful experience of the Soviet Union ...

- In Russia today the prevailing theories of the Western world, built on market relations, private capital and public-private partnership. Hence, ubiquitous outsourcing: people who earn money from the exploitation of budgetary funds deduce themselves from responsibility. They are not familiar with the former system of providing the Armed Forces, they do not have this experience.

The Americans during the operation “Storm in the Desert” in Iraq signed their own impotence: half of the tanks were stuck in the sand, there was no food or fuel. The same was in Vietnam, and today - in Afghanistan.

The Americans now began to copy the Soviet supply system, and our military - the American system: at one time they tried to form a committee of the chiefs of staffs, a single body to manage the material and technical support. Then people who had no relation to it, did not know her, came to the leadership of the army. stories, never participated in the planning. And the disorganization of the Armed Forces began.

To American copiers, I would remind you: the United States never had any experience in waging a war to defend its own territory, nor did it fight to survive. And this experience has shown the need to create a full-scale support system built by troop levels: a separate soldier, a platoon, a company, a battalion, a regiment ... With indication of the deployment and maintenance standards for levels, so that everything can be echeloned in combat areas, and in rear areas, and means of intelligence and control.

"MIC": Back to the topic of repair ...

- Once upon a time there were wonderful documents: “Manual on conducting operations”, “Manual on rear support”. They painted the entire system of separation of repairs: the company has weapons master, in the battalion - department, in the regiment - company, in the division - repair and restoration battalion. All this is associated only with the restoration of performance - the replacement of finished components and assemblies. Medium repairs with the replacement of large units were already done in the association (army), overhaul - in the district. For this, specialists were trained, the necessary spare parts were stored in warehouses ...

"MIC": What happened then, when the Minister Serdyukov?

- The entire system of central and district subordination was removed from the Armed Forces and outsourced to Oboronservis. This means that the support structure is not in the control loop of the command of the Armed Forces. Well, they guessed to keep the aircraft repair system as a whole, thereby ensuring the technical readiness of aviation.

"MIC": Imagine that the entire system of overhaul and repair of aircraft weapons, engines is transferred to industry. Who will be responsible for combat readiness?

- Who will serve the crews that have completed combat missions set by the commander-in-chief of the Air Force and returned to the bases? Outsourcing? It's like asking if the soldier will feed the outsourcing? Aunt cook go to war? They propose, as Americans, to eat dry rations. This is in the desert you can eat. Try to get dry rations beyond the Arctic Circle ...

Aircraft repair will be increased and there will be no aviation readiness. Back in the 30 of the last century, the Italian General Daewoo determined that in the long run, aviation would become a decisive link in armed conflicts, providing contact-free warfare. First, energy is destroyed, then transport communications, communications and management, infrastructure and social sphere are destroyed, people rebel against power ... We have seen the implementation of this theory in practice in Yugoslavia, Serbia, Iraq, Libya, Egypt ... Nothing new has been invented yet, the old methods are being implemented with new types of weapons.

People disintegrating "Aircraft Repair" should ask the question: are we going to protect our homeland? If so, then the support system should be close to the people who exploit this technique. The return of equipment to the combat system should occur in a short time. Who is lucky to restore the equipment, for example, from Moscow to Novosibirsk, and from Rostov to St. Petersburg? But as soon as enterprises transfer to industry, so will it be. The Defense Ministry remains without technical readiness and, as a result, without the combat readiness of aviation.

"MIC": This is a matter of ensuring national security.

- Aircraft repair in the structure of the combat readiness of the Air Force occupies the main place. The fifth generation aircraft (now the 4 + generation) is a technocratic army. It requires a rich technicalization of all processes - information support, the collection and processing of information, etc. This is communication, and intelligence, and defeat, and evaluation of defeat. But at the same time there is a high risk of technical malfunctions, breakdowns, accidents, catastrophes, which implies a high level of maintenance of technical readiness.

Multifunctional, multi-element systems require a very high level of technical support. The Su-24 aircraft service 16 machines. "Aircraft repair" aircraft and weapons not only repairs, but also provides operation, maintenance, copyright, warranty repair. It was in the Air Force management repair. Now the post of deputy for armaments has been eliminated everywhere, there is only a deputy for logistical support, as in the USA. Equal footcloths to rockets. And now Shoigu and footcloths eliminates. The dissolution of Aviaremont, the transfer of its parts in directions practically deprives the Russian Air Force of ensuring technical readiness.

"MIC": What is the state of existing plants in the aviation industry?

- Of the 28 such plants, only four actually work: in Komsomolsk-on-Amur, Irkutsk, Ulyanovsk and Voronezh. The rest were thrown, because in our country 1,5 flies thousands of foreign-made aircraft. It means that domestic engines, avionics, navigation are not needed. Airfield equipment is old. We destroyed our own aircraft. Well, if 28 factories do not work, and they are given 39 more ...

"MIC": What will the industry transfer military aircraft repair plants?

- The ability to eliminate production, which they consider competitive, to get additional space for sale and budget money. Instead, we have an increase in the cost of repair by five or six times, an increase in the duration of its implementation by three to four times and several times - the time for returning vehicles to combat units. Civil aviation was killed, now it's the turn of battle.

Let Pogosyan deal with what he has. KLA does not produce IL-96 (the program is executed on less than 10%), Tu-204, Tu-204CM and Tu-214. The corporation practically abandoned the Tu-334, abandoned the Tu-324 project. Poghosyan does not make a transport Tu-330, does not want to produce An-124 and An-70 - refuses everything. If tomorrow they close the border, there will be neither Superjet nor MC-21, in which more than half of the components are foreign. Poghosyan takes the factories, but does not assume the technical readiness of the Air Force aircraft fleet. There is only the desire to master the budget MO.

"MIC": How will aircraft repair plants be transferred?

- The transfer form, whatever it may be, is illegal. Perhaps enterprises will be bankrupt, the administration will buy them up and immediately sell them at market prices like land. How now they sell the land of the company Milya in Moscow, how they are trying to sell all the land of the military-industrial complex in the capital. Everything is for sale, everything is built up.

"MIC": Is it possible to transfer "Aviaremonta" in the corporation "Rostec"?

- Not the best option. But if you give it to Rostec Aviaremont and UAC, it will be correct. Sergey Viktorovich Chemezov, a state man, will ensure the solution of all tasks.
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  1. v53993
    v53993 23 May 2013 06: 17
    11
    What we do not keep, having lost we will wash ourselves with tears, and it is very possible that with bloody ones. When will "effective" crooks stop running the show?
    1. Russian
      Russian 23 May 2013 09: 10
      16
      They wrote everything, they will remove Serdyukov, and everything will be fine in the army! But it’s not the matter, he’s just a performer, here you have to dig deeper ...
      1. S_mirnov
        S_mirnov 23 May 2013 10: 39
        12
        "here it is necessary to dig deeper ..." - but there is no one to dig, and why should they dig? As long as the People endure, nothing will change.
        1. 755962
          755962 23 May 2013 11: 12
          -5
          Theories of the Western world prevail in Russia today

          After this phrase, I did not read further ..
          1. Geisenberg
            Geisenberg 23 May 2013 15: 42
            -5
            Quote: 755962
            Theories of the Western world prevail in Russia today

            After this phrase, I did not read further ..


            Similarly, in principle, from the first words it was clear on whose mill the water was pouring ...
      2. killganoff
        killganoff 23 May 2013 12: 26
        +2
        More precisely - you need to take higher!
    2. Papakiko
      Papakiko 23 May 2013 11: 53
      +2
      Quote: v53993
      run the show "effective" crooks

      There are many supporters of SUPERSHOYGU on the resource, now we will see nationwide "love" and "support" the most popular minister in the government (according to social polls).
    3. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 23 May 2013 15: 46
      -3
      Quote: v53993
      What we do not keep, having lost we will wash ourselves with tears, and it is very possible that with bloody ones. When will "effective" crooks stop running the show?


      A man of 2 ears flies into one from the other flies.

      The whole country voted for those whom you call crooks. Campaign here as a child needs to explain who such is the elected president or deputy. I strongly recommend that you familiarize yourself with the concept of legitimacy and continue not to say nonsense.
    4. vladimirZ
      vladimirZ 23 May 2013 19: 19
      +2
      Representatives of the "5th Column" in Russia need to transfer military aircraft repair plants to the aircraft industry in order to reduce the combat effectiveness of the remaining Russian military aviation to a level where it will no longer be an obstacle to potential invasion forces of a potential enemy.
      The enemies and traitors of Russia are in the highest echelons of power in Russia, just as they were in the leadership of the USSR before his death.
  2. pinecone
    pinecone 23 May 2013 06: 36
    +3
    Serdyukov No. 2.
  3. Petrovich-2
    Petrovich-2 23 May 2013 06: 49
    +1
    Strange article.
    1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
      GELEZNII_KAPUT 23 May 2013 09: 33
      +1
      Yes, yes, "the cast is removed, the client is leaving!" bully
    2. avt
      avt 23 May 2013 10: 28
      15
      Quote: Petrovich-2
      Strange article.

      From what ? Just because it does not fit into the bright and immaculate image of the new Minister of Defense? The man voiced a very real scenario for the development of events. Well, you can certainly say that with the release of the MO from unusual functions, airplanes will fly higher, faster and more fun, and with the privatization and the arrival of a new owner who will lead efficient managers, repairs will accelerate and improve and repair prices will drop sharply in competition. Do you like it more? Doesn’t resemble anything? Can't you see the shadow of a Gaidar from a filthy swamp?
  4. fenix57
    fenix57 23 May 2013 06: 51
    +9
    Pig under the century old oak
    I have eaten enough acorns to the full;
    After eating, she slept under it;
    Then, having grown up, I got up
    And to dig a snout from Oak roots has become.

    "After all, it harms a tree, -
    Raven says to her with Dubu, -
    If you expose the roots, it can dry. "
    “Let it dry,” says the Pig, “
    It doesn’t bother me at all
    I do not see much of it in the book;
    Though I do not have a century, I will not regret it at all;
    Only there would be acorns: I’m fattening from them. "

    “Ungrateful!” Oak said to her here, “
    Whenever you could lift up your snout,
    You would see,
    That these acorns are growing on me. "
    The ignoramus is also blinded
    Scolding science and learning
    And all the scientific works,
    Not feeling that he tastes their fruit.

    Ivan Andreevich Krylov
    In my opinion in the subject. I hope everyone will understand. hi
  5. George
    George 23 May 2013 06: 52
    +4
    - Of the 28 such plants, only four actually operate: in Komsomolsk-on-Amur, Irkutsk, Ulyanovsk and Voronezh. The rest threw, because in our country 1,5 thousands of foreign-made aircraft fly. So, domestic engines, avionics, navigation are not needed. The airfield equipment is old. We destroyed our own aircraft.

    It's simple ..........
    1. poizor
      poizor 23 May 2013 14: 35
      +3
      Surely simple - where's the advertised Dryjet Superjet?
      but domestic Tu-shkas with Ilami abroad (where these 1,5 foreign planes mainly fly) are not allowed in - there are no modern engines, equipment. and then there are all sorts of Boeing with Airbus new, more economical models are released every five years ...
  6. KLIM
    KLIM 23 May 2013 06: 56
    +7
    Soon everything will collapse. On stocks and at machines, even in the defense industry, at least in a civilian, people of pre-retirement age are finalizing. They will leave by age, but there are no new personnel; this is a real disaster.
    1. djon3volta
      djon3volta 23 May 2013 08: 07
      13 th
      Quote: KLIM
      Soon everything will collapse.

      when people say such things, I imagine that they are flies that are rubbing their paws while sitting on the glass, and saying - soon everything will collapse, soon everything will collapse, just a little bit more .. and rubbing its legs squinting one eye.
      1. Russian
        Russian 23 May 2013 09: 16
        +7
        I think you relate to them, but you write all kinds of nonsense, we don’t have much media, who rubbed us from morning till night, that everything is fine in our country, officials are bad, of course, but as soon as Mr. Putin finds out that they are guilty, they’ll immediately get fired! Super, and now two questions, who appointed them to this place, and where is the real landing with confiscation of property? Well, John, why are you gonna make that out there? I would take you to the endangered villages and the smaller towns, would sing his praises to Putin, and I think you would fill your face there right away.
        Try to get on the first channel, they will take it right away, for your ass licking to the ruling regime.
        1. Karabin
          Karabin 23 May 2013 13: 34
          +5
          Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й
          Try to get on the first channel,

          Better on NTV, to help Sveta from Ivanovo. The program will be called "A ray of light from three volts"
      2. Garrin
        Garrin 23 May 2013 11: 47
        +3
        Quote: djon3volta
        when people say such things, I imagine that they are flies that are rubbing their paws while sitting on the glass, and saying - soon everything will collapse, soon everything will collapse, just a little bit more .. and rubbing its legs squinting one eye.

        You yourself. what do you do in life? Sit on the forum and praises of GDP and DAM sing? You are working? Head and hands, what have you done in your life for our country?
    2. Arberes
      Arberes 23 May 2013 09: 48
      +7
      Quote: KLIM
      and there are no new personnel, this is a real disaster.

      New cadres come with a sin in half, but after working in factories for 2-3 years, they send to ... all the heads of engineers (many times more than hard workers) and go to other structures!
      I myself have been living in factories all my life, and so in my workshop there is such a picture!
      From once a full-fledged team of locksmiths, there was one special for our entire workshop (two people died before they retired, two more retired, one guy worked for 6 years and pulled off, and did not wait for a normal salary) came a guy who worked three months and dumped! They sent another peasant by translation, so the two of them run around the entire workshop!
      And the mechanic of the workshop and the power engineer command them, there was still a master - I had enough mind to cut!
      On my site, two guys worked for 5 years on CNC and went to different companies.
      That's the kind of compote you understand !!!
      1. Black Colonel
        Black Colonel 23 May 2013 10: 14
        +4
        Yeah ... But you have to prepare a hard worker-specialist for about five years with experienced specialists to work out, comprehend, understand the nuances of the profession. And so that these mentors were sure that they would not be taken for a checkpoint after training young people.
        1. Joker
          23 May 2013 15: 07
          +3
          And who needs these specialists, especially in the state. work? There, for every specialist on 10 chiefs who don’t know a damn thing at all, they go with an important look, you’ll never get a raise there, already all the places are killed by relatives of superiors, bonuses are given, nothing will remain until they work , the heads will share among themselves and who will work like this? And this is everywhere from the military-industrial complex to schools and hospitals. Of course, the youth will tolerate 2-3 of the year to have work experience, and then dump them to a private trader or abroad, our programmers abroad fly away like hot cakes, 5 has worked for you for years and you will almost be kissed there have worked. The young guys work at the IL factories, and then they are intercepted from the airbus and other foreign companies with a salary 2 more times, and on the territory of the Russian Federation, you don’t even need to take out, RUSNANO will privatize and our guys will work there for some British people, and again on the territory of the Russian Federation, and the most gifted abroad will be lured away. The plant has already opened with the Italians jointly in the production of helicopters, these are investments, of course, but we don’t buy these helicopters, we don’t have civil aviation as such, and in Europe they are snapped up like cakes and technologies are common.
  7. k220150
    k220150 23 May 2013 07: 15
    +9
    The authorities assure us "The country has risen from its knees! We are ready to rebuff the foe!", But one should not confuse advertising with reality, obviously everything is not quite so, or not at all. It is very easy to be a fan of power; it is difficult to think for yourself. Silly approvals for any sneeze of the authorities tomorrow will cost lives, and not only soldiers' lives. .... Serdyukov - on trial! Only this will restore confidence in the supreme power.
    1. Airman
      Airman 23 May 2013 09: 12
      +4
      Quote: k220150
      The authorities assure us "The country has risen from its knees! We are ready to rebuff the foe!", But one should not confuse advertising with reality, obviously everything is not quite so, or not at all. It is very easy to be a fan of power; it is difficult to think for yourself. Silly approvals for any sneeze of the authorities tomorrow will cost lives, and not only soldiers' lives. .... Serdyukov - on trial! Only this will restore confidence in the supreme power.

      I think Serdyukov is a pawn, because he obeyed and obeyed the instructions of the Prime Minister and the Supreme Commander. And they both had to control their subordinate. And all that is happening and is happening now, is done with their submission. No wonder the author of the article noted that Shoigu only voiced this decision.
    2. nickname 1 and 2
      nickname 1 and 2 23 May 2013 10: 02
      -6
      Quote: k220150
      Stupid approvals for any sneeze of power tomorrow will cost lives, and not just soldiers. ....


      When something seems, they say, it is necessary to be baptized.

      you must be a major specialist to categorically judge something.

      if it is not profitable to keep a huge state, say, not rationally, then where does someone "approve"?

      Here Kudrin says: I do not want to break a little bit, I want to break a lot.
      He says: all over the world!
      = but all over the world, bad! =
      he says: three% minus and three% plus. Maybe it will work!

      those. no one knows how to do it! BUT EVERYONE KNOWS HOW TO BE AT THE END OF THE END!
      1. Joker
        23 May 2013 15: 27
        +5
        So you want to say that we don’t have people in Russia who would suggest a clear plan to raise us from the bottom up? I dare to disappoint you, we have a million such people, how do you think Wasserman would have coped better with Litvinov? Or would Ivashov cope worse than Shoigu? And better than Putin, you can find a million people, real patriots, and it is not clear who and the current is not clear in whose interests. Take the same Syria, which is an indicator for many in the fact that they say Putin is against the United States. Have you ever thought that the dragging of the conflict in Syria is beneficial to both Europe and the USA? Al-Qaeda and all its other shelups have already worked, so they need to get rid of them, in Syria they die in dozens every day, thereby cleansing Europe and the USA from themselves, Libya was needed, let's say, to concentrate these geeks, and let them win more there was going on, saying that we were cool, the country was captured, and the United States supports us, they were dragged to Libya and sent for slaughter to Syria to get rid of them. And do not forget, Medvedev is Putin’s successor, he advertised him and he knew very well what Medved would do in his time, since he himself was in power at that time, you must agree that he earned points well against the background of Medved, right? I rushed here and there all over the country and promoted it competently, but at that time, under the guise of Medvedev, was destroying the country. Serdyukov why not plant? Because everything that he did was planned in advance, he did a job, received a bonus of several billion and that's it. Where is he now? Yes, it is not known, it may have long since left the country, and in order to pacify the people a couple of pawns were put up. BUT, Putin is certainly not guilty, he did not know anything, and the fact that in all the newspapers and in the entire Internet they wrote about it, it went past him. Well, do not be so naive, Stalin knew everything, and Putin does not know anything, why the hell then such a president is needed? He is in the power of 13 (!!!) years, during this time it is already possible to put together his team, but he still cannot do this. Okay, I agree at first it was hard, but damn not all the same 13 years. A Cossack surrenders to a dream, he is misguided, and all this life improvement is nothing more than a carrot to the people, so that there will be no revolution and PR. And do not forget who put Putin in power, this is an alcoholic, Yeltsin and Sobchak (not to be confused with my daughter). As everyone has, it flew out of their heads. And the marsh is extra points to Putin, saying that they are US agents against Putin, Putin is a hero! Yes, if it were necessary, they already planted 10 times, there were lots of articles on them, but this is not profitable, so they still perform their task. Remember how Ivashov was elected at the elections, they didn’t file the documents in time (nonsense) Yes, and the column against all removed.
  8. taseka
    taseka 23 May 2013 07: 46
    +5
    "The meaning of what is happening is the same - to pull apart the sweet pieces, and then at least the grass will not grow." - no matter how sad it is, but I believe this more!
  9. djon3volta
    djon3volta 23 May 2013 08: 01
    -6
    If they close the border tomorrow, there will be neither a Superjet, nor an MS-21, in them more than half of the components are foreign.

    and if tomorrow the meteorite falls? and if tomorrow Abramovich dies? and if tomorrow it rains?
    that someone is sick of the officials, but I personally feel sick of such headlines.
    let's just dot the i's - how many republics have disconnected from the USSR, where are enterprises, factories, factories, combines? Well, how many? I am sure that is not enough. Why is not rafiki produced in Latvia? Why is Kalkhida not produced in Georgia? and IL-76 are released in Tashkent yet? no? but why? but now they are released in Ulyanovsk. oh questions and the answer I have a lot more, if I start asking them you will burn out at "work" laughing

    êàî so - for you to fall apart for me NOT razvaleno.dlya you did not build, for me everything stroyat.dlya have no factories, there are plants for me.
    1. djon3volta
      djon3volta 23 May 2013 09: 05
      0
      yes, I also want to remind you again that corruption will not disappear from your minuses and Putin will not resign. even if you put 1000 minuses, the message will still be visible and everyone will read it bully
      1. Karabin
        Karabin 23 May 2013 13: 39
        +5
        Quote: djon3volta
        the message will still be visible and everyone will read it

        Simple business is simple. If you write on the fence ***, then passers-by will perforce read. Just what is the use?
  10. Normal
    Normal 23 May 2013 08: 34
    +5
    There is only one sense of what is happening - to pull apart sweet pieces, and then even though the grass does not grow.
    Well, of course, what else? True, all this happens under high-profile statements about improving, optimizing, strengthening control and putting things in order.
    So St. Petersburg began with KhUZ UD Presidential Administration in the early 2000s. And they continue in all state structures. As soon as you hear about the next initiative of the authorities in economic matters, you should know that this is a concrete mercantile interest of people close to GDP. As a rule, we are talking about land.
  11. valokordin
    valokordin 23 May 2013 08: 47
    +5
    We return to what we were about to leave, but where are the cries? Long live Shoigu, the best minister. It seems that the dog is so deeply buried that we can only guess who such commands were given to the untouchable field marshal and the current minister.
    1. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel 23 May 2013 10: 17
      +1
      "Skolkovo" has not yet started working, and from there MILLIONS are ALREADY DRIVING! fellow
  12. Bykov.
    Bykov. 23 May 2013 09: 23
    +2
    ... The old is ruined, the new is not created ...

    Which, in fact, was what the overseas gentlemen demanded of the liberals in 90 to build something new, successful and competing with them on the world stage in Russia, but they really needed to break what was, they did not think to work to strengthen Russia, but to our weakening, yes, but thank God, nothing came of it ...
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 23 May 2013 13: 45
      0
      Quote: Bulls.
      but thank God that they didn’t succeed ...

      "MIC": What is the state of existing plants in the aviation industry?

      - Of the 28 such plants, only four actually operate

      In other industries, roughly the same picture, only with its own specifics. It turned out just like that, and with this power it will turn out even better.
      1. Bykov.
        Bykov. 23 May 2013 16: 11
        -1
        Quote: Karabin
        ... In other industries about the same picture, only with its own specifics. It turned out more like ...

        About ten years ago, there was a fear in this, but not today, it’s hard not to notice the changes for the better, everything is not so frighteningly hopeless. Large projects have been shifted from the spot, in aviation and shipbuilding, and the most important thing is that the strategy is not shifted for ten years, but for a long time, however, whatever it is, good or bad, but the most important thing is that it is.
  13. Airman
    Airman 23 May 2013 09: 25
    +1
    If during the Second World War every damaged plane was sent to the factory for repair, then there would be no aircraft left at the front, and the railway would not have enough platforms. To break it is not to build, but to restore it is 1000 times more expensive.
  14. kind
    kind 23 May 2013 09: 27
    +4
    All these villains abroad have a warm place, so he does not care about Russia with its aircraft and problems, which they do. And the aircraft industry killed Pogos consciously.
    1. kind
      kind 23 May 2013 11: 42
      +2
      Someone I stepped on eggs, just minusanuli !!!
  15. seller trucks
    seller trucks 23 May 2013 10: 34
    +1
    The transfer was initiated by Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, refusing, as he put it, “locksmiths and turners”. How will this affect the combat readiness of the Air Force?


    I am, of course, not a colonel-general and not a chairman of the board of directors, but it's not a matter of pulling quotes out of context, Shoigu said the following: "Free us from functions that are not peculiar to us - through the conclusion of life cycle contracts, through taking over the repair of all equipment that costs in service. Take away all 300 factories, 37 thousand locksmiths and turners, take them together with repairs and together with money! " "Give us a weapon to fight with."

    to what extent, I understand, Shoigu gets rid of non-core assets, by the way, at the same meeting, Putin proposed to create a "ministry of armaments", so Sitnov is disingenuous, saying that he does not know "who (the order) gave it"

    here is another opinion on the same issue

    http://www.apn.ru/publications/article28844.htm
  16. avt
    avt 23 May 2013 11: 07
    +5
    Quote: seller trucks
    "Free us from functions that are not peculiar to us - through the conclusion of life cycle contracts, through taking over the repair of all equipment that is in service. Take all 300 factories, 37 thousand locksmiths and turners, take it along with the repair and along with the money!" ... "Give us a weapon to fight with."

    Then explain to me popularly, as an ignorant person. And why then Shoigu together with the ministry is needed at all? What would he ride at the parade in his uniform in a car before the formation to raise the spirit of the troops and their own significance as an icon? Can then leave the chief of the General Staff and the headquarters itself, which, it seems, should be engaged in planning and conducting military operations under the leadership of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief, that is, to fight, and simply reduce the Defense Ministry together with the Minister? Why is he better than the serdyuk who wanted to abolish military doctors?
    1. sams
      sams 23 May 2013 13: 01
      +2
      Shoigu wanted to say that those who invented it were stupid, ineffective and did not understand what glasnost, perestroika, democratization, privatization, innovation, modernization, nanotechnology and elementary management with monitoring are.
      1. Igarr
        Igarr 23 May 2013 13: 11
        +4
        Quote..
        ".. Free us from functions that are not inherent to us - through the conclusion of life cycle contracts, through taking over the repair of all equipment that is in service. Take all 300 factories, 37 thousand locksmiths and turners, take it along with the repair and along with the money ! ". "Give us a weapon to fight with."
        ..
        Good words. Such words - yes to God’s ears. = We ..Will ... Fight. =
        It is assumed that the weapon will be exceptionally efficient, exclusively combat, with exceptional characteristics.
        And how it will be ... doesn’t. Uncle will do it.
        ..
        The whole problem is precisely in this and sits. There are drivers ... and there are riders. And those present here perfectly understand the difference between them.
        But it is one thing if the "rider" could not leave the yard or, say, got up on the road.
        And, it’s a completely different matter - when the commanders of battalions, regiments, brigades, divisions will come out with bloody snot and aimless cries because the EQUIPMENT is broken, knocked out, and understaffed.
        And there is no other. Parish from repairs - no. Sending for repair is not possible.
        Clear? everyone? - By whom, with what and how will we defend our Motherland?
        .
        What does the Supreme Commander-in-Chief think? Regarding ensuring ".. territorial integrity and independence .."?
        ..
        And even if they create it, the Ministry of Logistics. Will this change at least something?
        Stealing, sawing, rolling away and being-on-the rest ... will be the next ministry.
        And all business.
  17. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 23 May 2013 12: 11
    +5
    <<< Out of 28 such factories (aviation industry), only four actually work ....
    UAC (Poghosyan) does not produce Il-96 (the program has been completed by less than 10%), Tu-204, Tu-204SM and Tu-214. The corporation practically abandoned the Tu-334 and left the Tu-324 project. Poghosyan does not make transport Tu-330, does not want to produce An-124 and An-70 - he refuses everything. If the border is closed tomorrow, there will be no Superjet or MS-21, more than half of their components are foreign. Poghosyan takes over the factories, but does not undertake to ensure the technical readiness of the air force fleet. There is only a desire to master the MO budget. Let Poghosyan figure out what he has. >>>
    Or maybe it's time to deal with Poghosyan himself and his team? As all these optimizers GOT already, reformers are "effective managers": a lot of money has been "mastered", and the result is close to zero. Now the Army is being "optimized". Aspirations are still the same (this is their essence) - quickly and more financial resources allocated by the state Assign, excuse me, Master, and the provision of technical readiness, combat readiness of equipment ,,,, YES HORSE WITH THEM!
    Strange, there is no Taburetkin, but his CASE lives and thrives! It seems that the matter is not only in it! We must finally remove from power ideologists who can only thoughtlessly and stupidly copy the WEST!
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 23 May 2013 13: 50
      +3
      Quote: Goldmitro
      Or maybe it's time to deal with Poghosyan himself and his team?

      Or maybe it's time to deal with yourself? First, we vote for this power, and then we look for scapegoats among the Pogosians and Serdyukov. For what they fought, they got it.
      1. Airman
        Airman 23 May 2013 15: 27
        +2
        Quote:
        Or maybe it's time to deal with yourself? First, we vote for this power, and then we look for scapegoats among the Pogosians and Serdyukov. For what they fought, they got it. [/ Quote

        Yes, we do not vote for this power! The authorities have money, administrative resources, political technologists and political technologies, fed by the CEC, which point-blank does not see election irregularities - and in the end we get elected representatives, such as the EBN for a second term.
      2. Joker
        23 May 2013 15: 35
        +2
        Quote: Karabin
        arabin

        And for whom to vote? There are only ushlepki on the form, as they were specially put on, so that there was no choice, but the column was removed against everyone.
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  19. Avenger711
    Avenger711 23 May 2013 13: 28
    -1
    Let Poghosyan figure out what he has. UAC does not produce IL-96 (the program is less than 10% complete), Tu-204, Tu-204SM and Tu-214. The corporation practically abandoned the Tu-334, abandoned the Tu-324 project. Poghosyan does not make a transport Tu-330, does not want to produce An-124 and An-70 - he abandons everything.


    Again the screams of the Tu-334. In general, the article is a clear disinformation. Minus.
  20. knn54
    knn54 23 May 2013 13: 56
    +3
    - The military department believes that this should be done not by the military, but by manufacturers.
    So it was during the times of the USSR. In the Moscow Oblast, re-enterprises engaged in current repair and maintenance work.
    But only ALL enterprises working for the defense of the country should be STATE! There are too many who want to stick to the state budget.
    Leave the rights to SPECIALISTS of design bureaus / factories of constant control, including modernization for the entire period of operation.
    PS Who will do outsourcing under bullets - Amazons or specialists from civil service stations (a question for Serdyukov and Co.).
  21. sys-1985
    sys-1985 23 May 2013 14: 18
    +3
    There’s nothing to steal anymore .. everything was stolen and it is already understood by those who stole. We’d be glad, probably nowhere. If you don’t start building now, I’m afraid that my children will not be destined to live in the country beloved by their parents. No claim to the truth! IMHO
  22. not good
    not good 23 May 2013 14: 26
    +4
    The situation is close to the pre-war one. A bunch of reporting hat-takers drove professionals away from management. After the Finnish company and from the beginning of the Second World War, there were fewer screamers and a well-functioning system was built through bloody tears, I would not want a repetition.