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Russia is a refuge

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My last article, “Pension as one of the reasons for the destruction of the family,” as expected, gathered a large number of minuses, and if it were a ship, its evil lines in the form of torpedoes would have been thrown to the bottom, despite the opposition of a few anti-torpedoes - “+”.


The essence of the previous article is as follows: to change the pension system so that the pension is not paid for experience, contributions to a special fund, etc., but depending on the number of children in the family and their quality (in the material projection, their salary).

To be honest, I thought that I was opening up America, but it turned out (thanks to constructive criticism, which I always read with great interest), it turned out that everything is already written in the project “Billionaire Russia”. Probably I don’t give Columbus laurels to sleep.

The ideas of the article and, more broadly, the previously written project are interesting, promising and ... unrealistic. Too radical changes must occur, and the person, besides being a selfish person, is also very inert.

We need to straighten the demographic situation today, it would be better yesterday, at the very least tomorrow. I will not go into details, everyone already knows about the 90's children who have been born, the overmortality of Russian men, and the ratio of the number of abortions to infants.

In Milan, Brussels, Berlin and New York, one can often hear Russian speech, to find communities of compatriots, unfortunately, the former. For the most part, they are refugees, immigrants, and migrants for economic reasons. They left for the best share, for social protection, for safety, for comfort. Sometimes they watched too much “Beverly Hills 90210”, “Helen and the guys”, “Santa Barbara”, and they were sure that they would live as elegantly as the characters of these TV series. I've been waiting in my homeland for almost bread and salt when I designed a trip to Russia from Ukraine for permanent residence. What kind of people are naive?

But the western tale ends, gradually turning into a farce, tragedy, and sometimes into a horror film. If earlier the same Europe and America were actually countries of abundance (the fact that this led to debt slavery was not visible at the first increase), especially against the background of the late USSR, now the situation is changing. I do not say that in the expanses of the Urals or the Volga region, life is better than in Kansas and the Apennines. I’m talking about the trend, and it’s such that not so much time will pass, and the real standard of living of people in Western countries will fall to ours, or even lower. Interestingly, representatives of the “golden billion” will make in this situation without our quenching perestroika, cheesy roads, interruptions in wages “a la 90-e” and with their lawns - lawns instead of our “potato haciendas”.

Imagine comfortable, with easy chairs and air conditioners, Boeing and Erbasy diving down to the ground, and an old corncob, not falling anywhere and not particularly rising (sorry). Where would you like to be? If in a falling liner, then, most likely, you are finishing the chewing “Meller” candy, which was given by a passing pilot with a parachute behind his back. Ours, even if they have already taken root on foreign shores, cannot be caught, and a significant part of them will pack their bags home. And here our state must finally decide: people need it, or everything is as usual.

In addition to the economic recession and increasing social insecurity, such ulcers of the Western world (stunned, in one national book 70-s saw this expression, but one hundred percent hit), as propaganda of sexual perversions, juvenile justice and pervasive tolerance. All this is taught as the norm, as the only correct behavior of a person, as some kind of reference points in life.

Is the whole of Europe - geyropa and tolerastov? In Western countries, there are still many people who share not modern, “universal” values, but common Christian aspirations. In addition, the instincts of women as mothers and men precisely as men are phenomena that can grow through any filth.

Maybe the Europeans are normal, they are going to us, and let the Muslims deal with other things. It’s just that in one not so distant day, we’ve eliminated all juvenileism, sexual perversions are subject to treatment or punishment, the rainbow finally becomes a symbol of childhood again (not my thought, but one commentator, but painfully bumped into memory) Let homegrown gangs of “common human beings” scratch the stream.

Just imagine, our guarantor for the whole world utters these theses, the country begins to implement them. Well, sodomites, our embassy with rotten eggs will cast aside in Amsterdam (or that the creative floor will come up with this), “femen” in the whole composition will show beautiful breasts in Red Square - at least news no wonder I'll look. It seems to me that after any such trick the rating of the President will increasingly rest against 100%. We get the image of a truly normal European country and, in addition to the returnees, a lot of refugees from a western madhouse with normal thinking, a desire to create, and, inevitably, their technologies, technical solutions, specialists.

I wonder if they will take root in our land?

What is the prize pool for you? The prize fund is the money that could be borrowed from Slavik by the name of the Prize. Sharp turn? This Sasha Krutt on the machine works up miracles. There are Kurt, Nordit, Ott, Forat, Russian tsars and tsaritsas after Peter. Externally the same as we are, and the maximum for one generation completely rusyat. Recently I watched “Legend No. 17”, so Kharlamov on 50% is a Spaniard, and runs with our club, and not with a football ball.

I am sure that we, Russians, are able to Russify and float all our periphery in the common pot, we would not like the average Russian years through 200 - 300 to change the eyes or the color of the skin, let it be Butlers and Lermonts, although the descendants of the arap are easily we may have symbols of the country.
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  1. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 23 May 2013 05: 54
    +6
    Not plus or minus the author. As for the standard of living, what did you take that in the west it is higher than ours?
    With regards to that normal people would come to us, and homosexuals and other perverts to remain there, then we now, although throwing our representatives of minorities out of the country, are not fat hi
    1. tronin.maxim
      tronin.maxim 23 May 2013 06: 03
      +8
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      As for the standard of living, what did you take that in the west it is higher than ours?

      And you will translate their salaries into rubles, the situation will immediately become clearer. Social attitude is radically different, especially if we take the food theme. Their only BUT is draconian taxes. Accustomed to live for free and not pay debts here they begin to rob themselves to the fullest! Gerard Depardieu is a vivid example of this.
      1. Vanek
        Vanek 23 May 2013 06: 23
        +4
        Quote: tronin.maxim
        their salaries


        Quote: tronin.maxim
        Their only BUT


        Theirs Z / P - their taxes = ......

        Hello to everyone hi
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 23 May 2013 06: 42
          +2
          Quote: Vanek
          Hello to you everyone

          Hey Ya wink
          1. Vanek
            Vanek 23 May 2013 06: 44
            0
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Hey Ya


            Zdraste hi
        2. Hon
          Hon 23 May 2013 13: 40
          +2
          Quote: Vanek
          Theirs Z / P - their taxes = ......

          Hello to everyone

          But their prices are lower. Have you ever wondered why importing from us is more profitable than buying domestic? Largely due to tax policy. In Spain, mortgages are provided at 4,5% (the average rate is sometimes lower) and in Russia 14%, while the cost of housing, both rental and purchase, is much lower than in Russia. On the Internet you can see the offers, maybe even decide to buy an apartment or a house in Spain or somewhere else, for this you do not have to be an alligator.
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 23 May 2013 06: 42
        +5
        Quote: tronin.maxim
        And you translate their salaries into rubles, the situation will immediately become clearer

        And why transfer, there are much more expenses than ours, and with regards to the same pension, then in France it is about 20 rubles, if we transfer. From the west, there is only a sign of a beautiful and prosperous life
        Quote: tronin.maxim
        Social attitude is fundamentally different,

        Maxim, pokapaysya in the internet and see really what and how in salaries and living standards. Not so sweet and far from sweet.
        1. Vanek
          Vanek 23 May 2013 06: 47
          +7
          Regarding, they say, to move to us. Well, in principle, why not? Just remember that: - In a strange monastery with his ...

          We do not need their 3,14derStySky ideas. And just business.
          1. FC SKIF
            23 May 2013 07: 07
            +5
            Article about it
            1. sergo0000
              sergo0000 23 May 2013 10: 04
              +4
              Quote: FC Skiff
              Article about it
              So they’re already going. wink Recently there was a film about this on TV. Some Englishman came to visit a veteran friend, and stayed. For 20 years he has not been "visiting" and has not been going back. The Frenchman traveled the world, also in Russia he was slowed down for many years, I got married, had children and was happy. Both of their farms opened and they say that taxes as low as we have anywhere in the world! And they even wonder why the Russians are complaining. And there are a lot of such examples. smile Only I think how you indicated in the article that the masculine and feminine beginnings will still prevail among the Europeans. They will also bring order to themselves. They will take the forks, the townspeople, stones and weapons and throw out the same Anglo-Saxon and Amer proteges from their governments. After all, Europe is one big collective farm. They just need to understand that neither the Amers nor the Anglo-Saxons need this strong and rich collective farm! And as soon as they understand, the second Holocaust in Europe is guaranteed. Only the Muslims will get the distribution. And already there with us, no one will, for the sake of al you or moderate traditsionalist.Nikto not allow the Muslims to prevail in Evrope.Chast Europeans as always when revolutions rush as always in Russia and obruseet here will be part of direct poryadok.Nam left as said below Captain Vrungel, just put things in order at home. drinks Article plus.
        2. Hon
          Hon 23 May 2013 13: 47
          0
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          And why translate, there are much more expenses than ours

          Have you been there? In Russia, a very high cost of living compared to many even European countries, but in Europe the light has not converged, for example, you can rent housing in Moscow and live happily anywhere in Cambodia with this money, rent housing for a penny, and even for housekeepers can be spent.
          1. Hon
            Hon 23 May 2013 13: 55
            0
            The only thing that is really more expensive is the housing and communal services. On average, in Europe, a communal apartment eats somewhere between 8-10% of family income, but in Europe this money is spent 100% and in Russia it is simply stolen.
          2. Ezhaak
            Ezhaak 23 May 2013 14: 34
            0
            My wife went to pay for utilities. Comes back and laughs, tells how the aunt in line tells about the delights of life of pensioners. According to that aunt, pensioners can at least buy an Audi every month. So answer, justified, should I laugh or cry with these words?
            1. Ezhaak
              Ezhaak 24 May 2013 10: 00
              0
              It is up to myself to answer the asked question, if our forum aliens are too shy to answer. All this nonsense.
              1. Hon
                Hon 24 May 2013 11: 19
                0
                That is, someone should comment on the statements of some completely unfamiliar pensioner?
                1. Anti
                  Anti 24 May 2013 11: 32
                  0
                  According to that aunt, pensioners can buy their Audi at least every month.


                  This is nonsense, I know that many pensioners still receive social assistance for retirement, since there is not enough pension to extend until the end of the month, what kind of hell is Audi ???
                  Although there are pioneers with a normal pension. But they are very few. And they are no longer up to Audi laughing
                  1. Ezhaak
                    Ezhaak 24 May 2013 12: 22
                    0
                    Quote: Anti
                    I know that many retirees still receive pension

                    This is what I wanted to hear. Thank.
                2. Ezhaak
                  Ezhaak 24 May 2013 12: 25
                  0
                  Quote: Hon
                  That is, someone should comment on the statements of some completely unfamiliar

                  Well, why not? Both you and I comment on the same words on the forums withstrangers. smile
      3. adg76
        adg76 23 May 2013 12: 50
        0
        Not only taxes, but also utilities. Especially in Germany
      4. DmitriRazumov
        DmitriRazumov 23 May 2013 14: 40
        +2
        Quote: tronin.maxim
        And you will translate their salaries into rubles, the situation will immediately become clearer.

        At the same time, their taxes should also be converted into rubles ...
        Here again I want to repeat the reference to tolerant French reality:
      5. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 23 May 2013 15: 50
        +2
        Quote: tronin.maxim
        And you will translate their salaries into rubles, the situation will immediately become clearer.


        And you find their work there first, and then translate our payments into their prices and see who has what remains.
    2. Captain Vrungel
      Captain Vrungel 23 May 2013 07: 25
      14
      By the nature of my work, I have to deal with our emigrants from Europe, America to Africa and Australia. What I noticed. No matter how hard it was for them in emigration, no one wants to return. Why? They have a predictable future with social guarantees. Who's back? Shufutinsky, Uspensky and other restaurant singers. The question is why? It is necessary to work there, but we have opened the "golden season" for the combers, veneers and other actors, who in an instant from booth jesters turned into the "elite" and "beau monde" who captured all the stages, platforms and screens. Lesbian boys and girls are outplaying Europa. Here Akimova, who opens the door to Yanukovych with her foot, officially registered her marriage in the country of freedom and vices with her secretary or secretary with a magnificent banquet. If we take Moscow, then Europe is breathing hard for the number of millionaires per square meter and for European prices. If we take the hinterland, then the standard of living of Eimbabwe, Sudan's salaries with payments and prices in Paris. Honestly. Tired of looking up to someone, groveling before something, and living at home so that everyone is comfortable. Nothing complicated is needed for this. Moderate the greed of the celestials for extra income, extra taxes and radically suppress the theft of power by cardinal methods, as in the east. Separate grabbing body parts. And we will live so that Sweden will envy, under socialist capitalism with a communist face.
      1. ed65b
        ed65b 23 May 2013 10: 14
        +9
        I put a plus. but a little remark is a category of immigrants who do not return simply because they are ashamed. even there in the shit but at home they think that in chocolate. I saw the smart "tourists" and as after 2 glasses the soul will open and the sadness in the eyes. And come back there is no shame. did not realize himself. Jonah. overall complex.
      2. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 23 May 2013 10: 15
        +5
        Hello everyone!
        Quote: Captain Vrungel
        They have a predictable future with social guarantees.

        Well, not quite like that. From conversations:
        A US citizen who left the USSR at the age of 73, having the right to a pension, continues to work. He plans to arrange retirement and is considering how and what will feed his family. Oh how.
        If an Israeli citizen, a taxi driver, if he didn’t mix it up, he became a disabled person with a stroke when he reached retirement age. Surrounded by material problems, committed suicide by burning himself at one of the rallies dissatisfied with the state of affairs in the state.
        Please say what you have, do not promote the western way of life. I noticed you often suffer from this. But not as often and strongly as Pimpled.
        1. Captain Vrungel
          Captain Vrungel 23 May 2013 14: 02
          -1
          Excuse me, where am I promoting the Western way of life? I have never been a political worker and do not like propaganda. If you do not understand irony and humor, sorry. I try to tell the truth. In Israel, our former compatriot received a disability pension, diabetes mellitus, every year she comes to Odessa to visit relatives. Ours will go far. Only on a commuter train. US citizen in 73, how and how to feed a family? If all family members are not sick, they receive benefits, if they do not want to work, dole or get loans above reasonable means. Yes, it can be morally and hard if you had to get into the cab of a heavy truck or taxi from an armchair. You pulled out a special case. This is our disease. Do not analyze and compare before drawing conclusions.
          1. Ezhaak
            Ezhaak 23 May 2013 14: 52
            0
            Quote: Captain Vrungel
            Far away our

            That's why I say either that which is known reliably or about myself personally. Until the moment when the sore made me inactive, instead of Turkey, Egypt or Israel, I preferred to relax on Seliger, on the island of Gorodomlya. What there, I will not describe. Yandex in Google is in your hands. If you want and the prices of rest there too you will find.
            ps I well remember your story about how the port captain is obliged to accept the end in exchange for the late mooring officers. But. Except you, not a single reporter, not even an Israeli one, told about this, although everyone confirmed the fact that the mooring team was "late" (in my quotes).
      3. DmitriRazumov
        DmitriRazumov 23 May 2013 15: 05
        +1
        In general, I agree with your post, but:
        Quote: Captain Vrungel
        No matter how hard it was for them to emigrate, no one wants to return. Why? They have a predictable future with social guarantees.

        I have friends who emigrated to the States in the 90s. Then the situation in the Russian Federation was schwach! And when they arrived in the United States, they were ready to work hard for a relatively small amount of money from morning to night, just to gain a foothold there and obtain citizenship. However, quite a lot of time has passed, they come to their homeland and really see that what they have there (good cars, household appliances, comfortable housing, etc.) people have here in Russia too, and sometimes better quality and in large volumes. Moreover, it is natural that citizens of the Russian Federation have much more opportunities to make a career in their homeland than immigrants in America. In America, despite the citizenship earned by such labor, immigrants remain second-class people. They are considered not to have higher education, because they do not recognize Soviet diplomas in America, and are forced to work hard for relatively low salaries in lower positions. At the age of 2, a very competent and talented specialist works only as a programmer. Come back, of course, zapadlo. The children are already learning, some housing has formed, in general, it’s hard for a person of 50 to change his homeland again ...
    3. Russian
      Russian 23 May 2013 09: 31
      +1
      Yes, I would say rather a minus than a plus to the article. Some one fantasy. Nifiga America itself will not be bent, they will print their green papers, invade another oil-producing camp with their most "peace-loving" NATO bloc, and again they have everything in chocolate! And about the Europeans, but why do we need them ?! Our own minds should be returned from the West, and not driven into the country by crowds of uneducated monkeys, which is so beneficial to our government.
      So some kind of utopia, with respect.
      1. S_mirnov
        S_mirnov 23 May 2013 10: 53
        +2
        The article is, of course, fabulous, especially touched "Just imagine, our guarantor for the whole world pronounces these theses," - so big, but he believes in fairy tales!
        Now there is a deliberate STATE policy of attracting migrants to Russia (it is much easier to deal with disenfranchised migrants than with the Russian people, no, no, and requiring decent salaries, pensions, and sometimes recalling that Russia belongs to the People, and not a bunch of traders). Hence the construction of tolerance centers throughout the country, the dominance of priests and rabbis in kindergartens, schools and the army.
        So the author will not hear from the mouth of the guarantor of the cherished theses, but rather will receive a hat from the authorities, for inciting ethnic hatred and for insulting the feelings of believers in the president!
    4. Timeout
      Timeout 23 May 2013 15: 26
      +1
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov RU Today, 05:54

      Not plus or minus the author. As for the standard of living, what did you take that in the west it is higher than ours?
      With regards to that normal people would come to us, and homosexuals and other perverts to remain there, then we now have to throw our representatives of minority groups out of the country - not hi fat


      Alexander, I’ve been living in 12 countries for almost 2 years. But I live longer in Paraguay, the legal cost of living is 400 bucks. Prices for food and household appliances, consumer goods are several times lower than in Russia, despite the fact that it is a banana republic. At 800 bucks, you can live a family of 4 people, without denying yourself a meal. Pedikov and the rest of the minorities are simply invisible, 50% of the population are Indians (in some tribes of minorities they bury them alive), so they don’t have to walk around.
  2. annenkov242
    annenkov242 23 May 2013 06: 20
    0
    Today, a magnetic anomaly has descended on the ministers of the pen.
    Rigidly took up our SUBCONSCIOUSNESS, re-educate.
    SOS !!!
    1. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 23 May 2013 10: 27
      +4
      Nobody and nobody re-educates. People share their thoughts. Don't like it, don't read it. Imagine you are in a bookstore. Choose what you want to read. Nobody, as in previous years, forces you to read the party media like Pravda, Komsomolskaya Pravda and so on. Russia is a free country.
      It may offend you, but still write. The clever will understand, but for offended people carry water, for example.
      There is no need to grind the savvy head, he will understand everything. A fool to learn - only to spoil!
  3. fenix57
    fenix57 23 May 2013 06: 26
    10
    "... We get the image of a really normal European country ..."- and that Russia really needs this image? and who will decide (or decide) whether Russia is a European state or not ... Our home-grown liberals and tolerants or someone from the Anglo-Saxons? I do not think that the opinion of these "enlightened ones" is of much concern to the REAL RUSSIAN.
    1. tronin.maxim
      tronin.maxim 23 May 2013 06: 35
      +2
      Quote: fenix57
      I do not think that the opinion of these "enlightened ones" is of much concern to the REAL RUSSIAN.

      This does not bother us, but almost the whole world is very interested in the otolitelny unfinished! In the world there are few countries that have their OPINION.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 23 May 2013 06: 43
        +6
        Quote: tronin.maxim
        In the world there are few countries that have their OPINION.

        In the world there are few countries that have the right to their opinion, so it will be more accurate hi
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 23 May 2013 06: 56
      +7
      Quote: fenix57
      who will decide (or decide) normal, whether Russia as a European state or not.

      Where did this bullshit come from, what should we become a European state ????? Russia is a separate independent country from all this European sadogarem. Who here wants to become a normal European, there are those on the site laughing
      The very notation that Russia wants to become a normal European country lowers us below Estonia, so they consider themselves Europeans.
      1. lewerlin53rus
        lewerlin53rus 23 May 2013 08: 36
        +9
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Where did this bullshit come from, what should we become a European state ????? Russia is a separate independent country from all this European sadogarem

        I have been telling everyone for a long time that we are not Europeans, but we are not Asians either. We are Russians, with all the nations. To be a successful, respected state with a high cultural and material standard of living, it is not necessary to be a European state. Japan, for example, is generally located on the other side of the world from Europe. And what's there? do savages live? Rapidly developing China, which has hooked up most of the world to its production. Calm Australia in the Other Hemisphere: How National Traditions Are Revered in Japan and China? So why is all the liberalism frightened about everything Russian, considering it "barbarism"? Do they really not want to admit that our main traditions are by no means fools and roads. Russian statehood has more than a thousand-year history. Few European states can boast of this. America was not even close. Do we really have nothing to be proud of?
        By the way, it was the barbarians who at one time stopped the agony of the Roman Empire, which was mired in debauchery. History, as you know, develops in a spiral.
  4. AKOL
    AKOL 23 May 2013 06: 46
    +2
    If visitors are ready to fight for our country, then don’t go, but Chegoito I doubt very much that those who have escaped to the geyropa will want to put their lives for their homeland, rather if they slightly bake the suitcase and the station again. Is it possible to blame anyone for this? I don’t know, everyone must decide for himself, in my understanding, he left — do not wake up with a tablecloth.
    1. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 23 May 2013 10: 42
      +2
      Quote: AKOL
      those who have escaped to a geyropu will want to put life for their Motherland

      They have no homeland either. For the most part, these are the very cosmopolitans who are looking for a warm place under the ass. And where it will be, for them it is absolutely not important. Here on the forums it is often heard that serving in Israel is a great honor. Assuming they return, they will be no better than the existing deviators. Personally, my opinion on this is extremely simple. A betrayer once, betray and twice.
  5. Fox
    Fox 23 May 2013 06: 52
    +6
    I would have immigrated from Russia "for a better life", even to the borders would not have allowed. Especially Jews. All these immigrants are mostly parasites, why are they here?
  6. treskoed
    treskoed 23 May 2013 07: 07
    +3
    Maybe normal Europeans come to us,

    Already arrived, advisers to perestroika!
  7. valokordin
    valokordin 23 May 2013 07: 49
    +4
    About the article I will say: "Dreams, Dreams, where is your sweetness? Dreams are gone, the muck remains." Who has the expression about "socialist capitalism"? with what it can be compared, probably with "good evil" or "greedy generous". As long as the country is full of capitalism, as long as the bourgeois are the owners of factories, newspapers, steamers, add more radio, television channels, as well as owners of mineral resources and waters, there will be no talk of any socialization. Now they are finishing off the remnants of Soviet socialism, masking this with already sick of reforms and references to Geyropa and the United States, that only there is freedom of democracy, and Russia still has Stalinism in its head, with which, in the opinion of the higher authorities and their apologists in the form of Svinadze and Mlechin, and so Pivozhorin must be fought mercilessly.
  8. taseka
    taseka 23 May 2013 08: 03
    +2
    "It's just that in one not-so-distant day all juveniles are canceled, sexual perversions are subject to treatment or punishment, the rainbow is finally becoming a symbol of childhood again." - Hurry up!
  9. Yura
    Yura 23 May 2013 08: 10
    +4
    As for emigration to Russia, it exists, and not only from the countries of the former Soviet Union. Suffice it to recall the Chinese, Vietnamese, Koreans, Afghans and many, many other people who came to Russia for a better life. In the article, the author caught the tendency of the beginning of the movement of Western people towards Russia, and encourages them to do this, in addition to economic interest (which in itself is indicative and speaks of the development of the Russian economy), also the moral side of the issue. And here the author's concern and anxiety is felt. The mere fact that he singles out in quotation marks the simplest and seemingly unambiguous words ("rainbow", "universal", we will continue: "blue", "pink", etc.), suggests that people are beginning to understand what to live in a society where to be normal is not normal, it is impossible, it is sick and distorts consciousness and breaks the psyche (which plays into the hands of the ruling, because it is very convenient and easy to manage people leading an immoral lifestyle, who know this and who are burdened with some guilt, and some with the understanding that their are opposed to the rest of the world and that one day you will have to be responsible for everything. So in the article it seems to me the author wants to warn that now it is necessary to think and put up barriers in the way of this creeping filth. And I would also add that today in our country those who want to live according to the perverted laws of the West, even if they live there, to deport them without the right to return, we have enough worries without them.
    1. Mairos
      Mairos 23 May 2013 13: 46
      +1
      "It is enough to remember the Chinese, Vietnamese, Koreans, Afghans and many, many others .." - if you count Central Asia, then there are TOO MANY. We only lacked African Afghans. First, refugees, then they demand social guarantees, then they demand a mosque, then a Sharia order, then ... then they want a mosque on Red Square. Fig-fig.
      1. Semurg
        Semurg 23 May 2013 15: 04
        +2
        That yellow, black, red faces that do not believe in Christ will not go. Only white Christians, heterosexuals are necessary. That's just the trouble they will not go, they are good at home in Europe. laughing
  10. ZIV
    ZIV 23 May 2013 08: 49
    +1
    Yes, less need to "look back" to that west and think more with your head.
  11. alicante11
    alicante11 23 May 2013 09: 03
    +4
    It was said above that our former fellow citizens are parasites. And therefore "we don't need them." They are not all parasites. But the fact that they are all internationalists who do not care where to live, in Russia, the USA, Europe or Australia is a fact. The main criterion for their "homeland" is "there, your ass is warm" (c). And therefore, no matter how useful they may be at first glance, no matter what knowledge and skills they have, "we don't need them." Not even parasites. Look at our "smaller brothers" from the former Soviet republics. They go to Russia to earn money, are ready to plow for hours on dirty and hard work for a penny (for us), spend the winter in unheated cabins for several years (there is one near the next house - four have been living for two years), but at the same time they are all that can - they are sent to their homeland. There they have wives, children, money earned in Russia goes there, and there they work for the country's economy. And what about "our" emigrants? They left and made ends meet. They have forgotten about Russia and Russia must also forget about them. And when they start lining up at the Russian consulates to return, they need to be shown the door. You wanted the West - you got the West. Enjoy. And at home we can somehow live without you.
    They can object to me, they say, there are still Russian people in the "near abroad" who cannot return to Russia. I'm sorry, but I won't believe it. More than 20 years have passed since the collapse of the Soviet Union. So are there still some kind of brakes who have not understood where their homeland is? Well, if there are, then we do not need such "compatriots" either. And everyone who wanted to go to Russia has already done so. And the rest stayed because their homeland is there (or nowhere).
    As for the foreigners, they are the same as those who fled abroad from Russia. The same "fish" are looking for somewhere deeper. And at the first problems, they will again run to look for a better life. So why do we need them?
    Hence the conclusion - we do not need any "ours" or foreigners. They want to come to work, let them come and work for a penny. But they must understand that in Russia they are just guests and they should not be allowed to naturalize. We ourselves need to raise the birth rate. So that the family has at least 3 children. As our grandparents used to say. One for mom, one for dad, and one for the state.
    1. ale-x
      ale-x 23 May 2013 10: 06
      +1
      "No, I love the Motherland" (c)
    2. Anti
      Anti 23 May 2013 12: 05
      -2
      Quote: alicante11
      The main criterion for their "homeland" is "there, the ass is warm"


      Yes, you took the burden on yourself, condemn. I will answer, because I think that the stone is in my garden. I have no doubt that if you had the opportunity to leave 20 years ago, you would have taken advantage of it without hesitation. And I won’t believe you if you deny it. Homeland, this is such a place that a person loves, because it is the most dear, where he was born, his childhood passed, where the most delicious fruits grow, etc.
      That's what I understand, I’m sure I'm not the only one under the Motherland in this wonderful song !!

      Where does the homeland begin?
      From the picture in your primer
      With good and faithful comrades,
      Living in a neighboring yard.
      Or maybe it starts
      From the song that our mother sang to us,
      Since in any tests
      We do not take anyone away.

      Where does the homeland begin?
      From the cherished bench at the gate,
      From the very birch in the field
      Bending under the wind, growing.
      Or maybe it starts
      Since the spring funeral of the starling
      And from this country road
      Which does not see the end ...

      Where does the homeland begin?
      From the burning windows in the distance,
      From that old paternal budenovka,
      That somewhere in the closet we found.
      Or maybe it starts
      From the knock of wagon wheels
      From the oath that in youth
      You brought her in your heart ...


      Where does the homeland begin?
      Where does the homeland begin?

      and -
      1. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 23 May 2013 12: 26
        +4
        Quote: Anti
        Yes, you took the burden on yourself, condemn.

        You know, I also have almost the same opinion as alicante11. Personally, I had options at first to be called officially a refugee. But we didn’t use it. At the same time, we still had the opportunity to cross with this "title" to the states or Europe, then for refugees the borders were open. And, to be honest, once in my head such a thought spun, but was quickly thrown out of my head. Some time later, my family simply moved to Russia. My wife and I brought two rather rare specialties. At first I worked in one of my specialties, I have two of them. And after some time, as soon as they were allowed, he took up entrepreneurship. Not by bargaining. :) He provided for himself and his family with some means and retired. I came to Russia to work here and benefit Russia. This is without any slogans. Russia is my homeland, my ancestors are buried here.
        Sorry, but no one bothered you, you voluntarily chose your own path. Your choice is made by you. Therefore, do not be offended by us, alicante11 and me. Or maybe someone else.
      2. alicante11
        alicante11 23 May 2013 13: 15
        +2
        And where did you get the idea that I condemn? After all, everyone decides for himself where his homeland is. Where I indicated for displaced persons or "where I was born, there I came in handy" (c).
        Just for every decision you need to bear responsibility. So they made that decision. So let them answer for him.
        At the expense of me, you still won’t believe it, so I won’t speak :).
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      3. Setrac
        Setrac 23 May 2013 15: 10
        0
        Quote: Anti
        Yes, you took the burden on yourself, condemn. I will answer, because I think that the stone is in my garden. I have no doubt that if you had the opportunity to leave 20 years ago, you would have taken advantage of it without hesitation. And I won’t believe you if you deny it.

        You wishful thinking. They didn’t leave. You are not condemned; you are despised. Rats running from a sinking ship, but the ship did not drown. The Germans built a developed state for themselves, you arrived at everything ready, we built a prosperous life for ourselves, you come to us to enjoy the fruits of OUR work.
        1. Anti
          Anti 24 May 2013 01: 00
          0
          Quote: Setrac
          You wishful thinking. They didn’t leave. You are not condemned; you are despised. Rats running from a sinking ship, but the ship did not drown.

          So, do you identify me and yourself with rats? Only me, the one that escaped supposedly from a sinking ship, and you the one that didn’t have enough watercraft to escape from this supposedly sinking ship, So? Yes, now it’s clear to me why you spit maliciously with saliva, you envy, but in vain there is nothing to envy, you are more fortunate. laughing

          Quote: Setrac
          we have built a prosperous life in ourselves,

          You know, I’m an atheist, so to speak, but if it gets even better, I’ll start to believe in God. And put candles in churches to make it even better.

          and-
  12. Yura
    Yura 23 May 2013 09: 27
    +1
    Quote: alicante11
    They are not all parasites. But the fact that they are all internationalists who do not care where to live, in Russia, the USA, Europe or Australia is a fact. The main criterion for their "homeland" is "there, the ass is warm

    Your thoughts are fair and very close to me, plus for you, but to give a chance to their children and grandchildren who are born in Russia will grow up and be brought up with us would be right, they did not make decisions, they were not given a choice, the fault of our state is that they were deprived of the opportunity to be born in the homeland too. Something like this.
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 23 May 2013 13: 18
      +2
      Well, about children, of course, the question is not easy. On the one hand, the son does not answer for the father, and on the other, the apple from the apple tree. Yes, and if a normal son, then even an abnormal father will drag with him. In a good way, of course, in each case it is necessary to understand. But ... who are the judges?
      1. Yura
        Yura 23 May 2013 13: 34
        0
        Quote: alicante11
        In a good way, of course, in each case it is necessary to understand.

        But this is it.
  13. optimist
    optimist 23 May 2013 09: 54
    +2
    Another chatter on the topic: If there were x .. to my grandmother, - she would be a grandfather. Zadolbala this Manilovism. Instead of pondering how to change the social and political system in the country without much blood, the author suggests waiting for a fag ... in the West ... to each other! laughing
    1. Seriy
      Seriy 23 May 2013 14: 45
      0
      If there is a social need to change something, the changes will go well without our thoughts and not taking into account our opinion. The revolution does not happen just like that and from scratch do not come up with
  14. torry
    torry 23 May 2013 09: 55
    +1
    I unequivocally agree with the idea of ​​linking the pension to the number of children. The demographic problem needs to be addressed, and the idea has in principle been tested. A relative lived in China - it is considered the norm to transfer 10% of the salary to parents. And in the USSR there was a tax on childless.
  15. ed65b
    ed65b 23 May 2013 10: 17
    +1
    An interesting case was in my life a neighbor, a Bukhara Jew, left for Israel with his brother. after a while I met him asked Roma what tourist are you? No, they say, the Arabs killed the brother, I can’t live there. Here is a story.
  16. krez-74
    krez-74 23 May 2013 10: 57
    +3
    We do not need to wait for anyone, we need to rally and raise self-awareness among those already living in Russia! You need to give birth more, educate correctly and, most importantly, give a good education!
  17. Captain45
    Captain45 23 May 2013 11: 26
    +4
    The issue of foreigners is controversial, I remembered here several programs. in one they showed a German, met a Russian woman on the Internet, came to Russia for 12 years, has been living here and is not going back, living in a village in the Volgograd region seems to be engaged in agriculture. He speaks decently in Russian, said in an interview that he was here it’s better than he’s not going to go back to Germany, then the Negro from Zimbabwe was shown in Kaluga Region after Patrice Lumumba, he has stayed in Russia for ten years, he has been elected the head of the village for the second time. Natural shoe polisher, but locals call him Vasily Ivanovich, respect him. In general, he sat down Oh, of course there are a lot of problems, but everything again depends on the local authorities. In some area, I don’t remember, they adopted a regional program for medical specialists, teachers. They provide a home, work in their specialty, at home for 20 years at a low percentage. They showed a family of doctors , a husband is a dentist, a wife is a therapist, a two-story house with buildings, a medical assistant’s point, i.e. a house and work in one bottle, is attached here. It turns out if the government at the level of the governor is interested in developing the region, then there is money for this. the Kremlin is to blame for everything.
    1. ed65b
      ed65b 23 May 2013 14: 41
      0
      Chunga-changa also lives in Irkutsk, has become russified, at one time he was conducting a weather forecast on a local TV, his wife is a Russian metis. From Mozambique.
  18. Avenger711
    Avenger711 23 May 2013 13: 11
    -3
    and depending on the number of children in the family and their quality


    The author is a stupid person. Such an approach will be especially appreciated by those who plowed their whole lives in places where many children can not afford and in old age turned out to be to blame. Children separately - money separately.