Kyiv tried to evaluate "Oreshnik" in "Gerani" to demonstrate its "inefficiency"

Ukrainian media have launched a propaganda campaign launched by Zelenskyy to downplay the losses from Russian strikes, especially ballistic missiles. missiles medium-range missile "Oreshnik", allegedly demonstrating its "inefficiency" in non-nuclear execution.

The Ukrainian publication Defense Express, following Zelenskyy's instructions, attempted to estimate the impact force of the Oreshnik missile in TNT equivalent. Ukrainian "experts" stated that, in their opinion, the impact of a non-nuclear missile is comparable to that of approximately 36 drones- a Geranium kamikaze missile with a reinforced warhead (90 kg). They came to this conclusion after allegedly examining the craters left by the Oreshnik strikes in Bila Tserkva.

However, as some Ukrainian media outlets point out, this publication is untrue and was written specifically at the direction of Zelenskyy's office to discredit the Oreshnik missiles and to appease Kyiv's elites. The strike, again according to the Ukrainians, targeted an airfield in Bila Tserkva, which they called a "very important target." The garages Kyiv claims, preferring to conceal the rest, are located next to the airfield and were simply blown away by the missile strike.

As emphasized, Kyiv hasn't shown a single video of the aftermath of the Oreshnik missile strike, despite continuing to claim it was "ineffective." If it were ineffective, even Ukrainian irons would have shown corresponding images.

Comments

[Vasily_Ostrovsky]

Better in parrots, that way there will be more

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Better in tons of lard. It's both closer and more understandable to them.

[Myths]

They won't show you the lard, they'll hide it.

[Machito]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

Better in tons of lard. It's both closer and more understandable to them.

The Oreshnik strike is a full-scale test of a nuclear strike on Europe in the face of countermeasures from European and American air defense systems.

[Strelok1976]

Why stack nuclear warheads so densely? Even with a yield of 15-20 kilotons?

[SmolH2]

There are supposedly bunkers there. But in the current situation, who knows. And as far as I understand, the accuracy is being adjusted.

[bambr731]

Ukrainian "experts" stated that, in their opinion, a conventional missile strike is comparable to an attack by approximately 36 Geranium kamikaze drones with a reinforced warhead (90 kg). They reached this conclusion after allegedly examining the craters left by the Oreshnik strikes in Bila Tserkva.

The Ukrainian "experts" are sweating it out, calculating something, racking their brains. We need to help them and clearly demonstrate the impact of high-explosive weapons, not just dummies. Let them experience their effectiveness firsthand. Give them a good whack and let them study the craters. And 36 Geranium kamikaze drones with a reinforced warhead (90 kg) are probably nothing to them, right?

[Starover_Z]

Quote from bambr731

The Ukrainian "experts" are sweating, calculating, racking their brains. We need to help them and clearly demonstrate the explosive impact, not the dummy shells.

In the government quarter, so that everyone could see how the "Nut" is "crumbling"!
And not with empty blanks, but at least with a simple high-explosive part.

[andrey martov]

And Zelensky's office probably estimated the nuclear missile strike at only 179 "Geranias"... They say there's nothing scary about nuclear warheads...

[Zaurbek]

For the 404 area in Iskander, it's the most profitable and effective. For Western Europe, Hazelnut has a long reach.

[agoran]

Hmm, well, let's see:
To date, this is known about Oreshnik's strikes
Yuzhmash, with a high degree of probability, the arrivals were in this area of ​​the plant 48.43544 34.98936
Regarding the Lviv aircraft repair plant, comparing the photographs from May 25 and May 26, taking into account that some excavation work was carried out after the strike on the objects and excluding the strikes that took place in 25, we have a couple of places where Oreshnik could have entered
Details at lostarmour.
There's a lot there, read it yourself.

[tralflot1832]

Have you tried measuring in mindichs?

[anjey]

Why not use Oreshnik to destroy Zeli and Budanov's bunker, along with its contents, with the GUR and SBU? So that the new successors to the throne will wet themselves at the mention of Oreshnik! The worst thing is that with a complete victory over the country, the West will save these scoundrels from righteous judgment, so why take such a risk? ...

[Normann]

Why are the bridges, tunnels, and railway hubs intact? It was clear from the start that they couldn't be touched, otherwise there would be trouble.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Will there be a calculation in parrots?!!!

[noWAR]

Judging by the footage of these strikes, it seemed to me that the target's impact speed was far from 1 km/s, let alone hypersonic or even supersonic. Is this just my perception or something else?
I won't attach the video, as the comparison with the two previous arrivals is incredibly contrasting!

[agoran]

Hmm, and where did they teach you?
In a closed system, entropy is not possible.
Lviv ARZ turned into a firebrand.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: agoran

In a closed system, entropy is not possible.

You mean it can't decrease? Because according to the second law of thermodynamics, in a closed system, entropy is not only possible, but either increases or, in extreme cases, remains constant.

[Poplar]

According to the second law of thermodynamics, in a closed system entropy increases without any effect.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Poplar

in a closed system, entropy increases without any

And if entropy is already at its maximum level, where else can it grow?

[Poplar]

Quote from: nik-mazur

Quote: Poplar

in a closed system, entropy increases without any

And if entropy is already at its maximum level, where else can it grow?

The second law of thermodynamics doesn't mention this (just kidding). Entropy will increase until the system collapses.
P.S. The minus is not mine.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Poplar

The second law of thermodynamics says nothing about this.

Actually, that's exactly what it says:

In an isolated system, entropy either remains unchanged or increases in nonequilibrium processes, reaching a maximum when thermodynamic equilibrium is established.

Quote: Poplar

Entropy will increase until the system collapses.

Hmm, how so?

[nik-mazur]

Quote: noWAR

It seemed to me that the speed of arrival at the target was far from even 1 km/s

There is no point in assessing and assuming if it is unknown what was used and under what conditions the filming was carried out.

[KCA]

The warheads separate from the carrier and enter the dense layers of the atmosphere, naturally slowing down. You see them, they glow, but what causes them to glow? From air friction.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: KCA

What makes them glow? From friction with air.

Strictly speaking, it's still from aerodynamic heating. Friction has virtually no effect there.

[designer]

The first footage of the Oreshnik missile's use against Yuzhmash was taken in very low cloud cover, which certainly looked more impressive. But here, with completely clear skies, Mach 10 is roughly 3 kilometers per second. This is what it would look like if we began observing atmospheric movement at a height of fifteen kilometers or more.

[single-n]

Question 1: Where are our videos and photos? So we can see for ourselves the lies of enemy propaganda? After all, they're currently clearing up the aftermath of the strikes, and in a week, there might be no trace left at all.

[designer]

I once read somewhere that the mass of the Oreshnik rocket is 50 tons. So let's assume that's the case... and let's assume all of that is fuel. The rocket's efficiency, for example, for launching a payload into orbit, is 1%, or 500 kg. If we're not actually launching it into orbit, but just performing ballistics, let's say the Oreshnik warhead weighs three times more—1500 kg. It's all a guess, of course... I don't know the warhead's weight, but then the total kinetic energy of 1500 kg of blanks released upon impact with the ground at a collision speed of Mach 10 would be approximately 2100 kg of TNT equivalent. Well, draw your own conclusions about who's lying or not lying... It seems about right to me.

[single-n]

Two tons? That's nothing. It's possible the dummy bombs could be embedded deep enough to cause destruction to underground structures. But in any case, Oreshnik without nuclear weapons is a fairly limited weapon in terms of power. The area of ​​Kiev is 600 or 800 square kilometers. I'm too lazy to check. For that city to suffer any significant damage, even 10 Oreshniks wouldn't be enough. It would need something like an American airstrike during WWII, when 400-600 bombers would arrive, each carrying 5 tons of bombs. Of course, modern buildings are more resilient, but a dozen such airstrike would truly cause total destruction.
And so... They raised the hype to the skies, but in fact there is nothing really to show.

[designer]

If we accept the 90 kg TNT equivalent of one "nut" as true, then the total TNT equivalent yield would be 3240 kg, which would correspond to the total payload weight accelerated to Mach 10 of 2314 kg. That is, the Oreshnik missile could quite possibly carry up to 2.5 tons of payload, although this is pure speculation. For example, a search on Alice yields an Oreshnik warhead weight of 1200 kg, citing the Military Review website. This roughly corresponds to the weight of six nuclear warheads. A modern warhead weighs between 150 and 200 kg, which is precisely what the Oreshnik delivery vehicle was designed for. Launching dummy warheads to destroy buried bunkers using purely kinetic means is also compared in effectiveness to nuclear weapons, solely due to its accuracy. So, what was previously only destroyable with nuclear weapons is now possible with a precise, penetrating kinetic strike, without the use of a powerful nuclear charge. Otherwise, everyone has questions: there's a comparison of the Oreshnik with nuclear weapons, but no nuclear-like crater... :o)

[Couch analyst]

To hit the bank and VR for clarity and intelligibility, to help the forelockers in their desire to correctly evaluate "Hazelnut" in relation to "Geraniums".

[isv000]

My fading optimism is revived with every new blow to the outskirts. We don't need Bankovaya, we should keep going now, we've been working hard for four years now...

[kamakama]

I wonder if the Oreshnik warhead were stuffed with explosives and made like the Tallboy - in a high-strength casing with a slightly smaller warhead weight - 2-3 tons - and launched at a bridge support - would it fail?
After all, bridge supports are quite sensitive to seismic impacts.

[isv000]

In the example you gave, it would be better to use a laptop for hammering nails.

[kamakama]

So, how is today's hammering better? Kinetic munitions only make sense for use against buried structures; they're pointless against above-ground ones, even though they look impressive.

[isv000]

It's better to measure a boa constrictor in parrots, you monkeys!

[Belisarius]

Another incredibly strange article. How come Ukraine didn't show it when it did? And it showed it extensively, including with video. They hit an old Soviet garage cooperative. They showed the crater and the destruction among the garages.
Another thing is that you can disbelieve this and claim that they're lying and that they've actually ended up in the wrong place. But you can't claim that they didn't show it.
P.S. It seems like 90% of the articles in the news section are aimed at those with "whitelisted internet access." If they were creating a completely virtual reality, then everything would be fine. Then—they didn't show it.

[Metallurg_2]

Well, if it is ineffective for them in a non-nuclear configuration, it needs to be used in a nuclear one.

[tabex]

Let the Russian Ministry of Defense itself show the results of the nut strikes; satellites exist, apparently. The Ukrainians are showing satellite images of the aftermath of their strikes, like the one at the Novorossiysk oil depot...

[SUKRAM]

why does the RU top brass not show the images
this will automatically make the zio clown look even more stupid

[Simargl]

Idea for the Ministry of Defense:
shift the strike time from night time, when there is a minimum of personnel, to closer to the end of the shift - 22:00, then 21:00, ... 17:00, ...14:00...

[Ivanenko_Alexey]

To assess the effectiveness, it's necessary to hit a cult site in central Kyiv. For example, Maidan Nezalezhnosti. Then more people will appreciate the diameter and depth of the crater, as well as the impact on nearby buildings. It's even possible to warn the civilian population in advance. This fits in with our government's denazification strategy: no Maidan, no symbol of the anti-state coup.

[Yarik]

A retaliatory strike implies PUNISHMENT for a CRIME!!! Who has this strike punished now? NO ONE! You understand – NO ONE!!! The headquarters of the Bandar-log ground forces. So what??? Who died of the criminals who killed innocent children? Where is the confirmation of the strikes' results? How long did they persecute that bastard Budanov that he was liquidated? And this creature is more alive than all the living.

[SmolH2]

Destroying infrastructure is a terrible thing. So, you have a spare stash, but it's no longer equipped with a computer, a cell phone, or the usual trinkets. You can live there, but it's less convenient and less efficient. And then the second stash gets hit.

[pudelartemon]

allegedly demonstrating its “inefficiency” in non-nuclear implementation.

And Zelensky is right - Oreshnik is more effective in nuclear execution.
Who wants to bet me two flicks?