Winston Churchill on the role of sea power and the Battle of Jutland

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Winston Churchill on the role of sea power and the Battle of Jutland

Translation of Winston Churchill's articles published in the London Magazine in the autumn of 1918.

The text of this article is included as an appendix in Georg von Hase's book "Two White Nations" (Zwei weisse Völker). This book was published in Russian in a greatly abridged form under the title "On Derfflinger in the Battle of Jutland."



This article concludes the series dedicated to the Battle of Jutland.

Author: Winston Churchill
Translation: Slug_BDMP


An excerpt from articles published in the London Magazine in the autumn of 1918 by the British Minister of the Navy Churchill.

From the first day of the war, English fleet The Grand Fleet exercised complete and undisputed supremacy at sea. The powerful fleet, standing in its northern position, could command all the open seas until challenged to battle, in which it was defeated. It was the all-encompassing prerequisite for all Union undertakings in any theater of war, an unconditional veto on any external enemy activity. Although the battle squadrons of the Grand Fleet only once engaged German ships, and then for a few precious moments, and although they were never given the opportunity for a decisive battle, they nevertheless reaped the fruits of complete victory from the very beginning. If Germany had never built a single capital ship, or if all German battleships had been sunk, the comprehensive, logical power of the English fleet could not have acted more effectively.

Even without Trafalgar, the effects of Trafalgar continued to reverberate unceasingly—and with unprecedented severity. The entire colossal undertaking of British and Allied trade and transport communications continues unimpeded. Insurance at the rate of 1% covers not only military dangers as they were understood before the war, but also losses resulting from the illegal and inhumane submarine warfare against merchant shipping. Allied armies—limited only by the volume of available tonnage—can be sent to all parts of the world and supported in their places of deployment. The United Kingdom, its colonies, fortresses, protected areas, and the possessions of its allies remain secure and inviolable. The enemy, however, is deprived of all possessions beyond the front lines of his land armies, or will be deprived of them; in the vast expanse of the open sea, he cannot send a single ship to sea.

To send a letter to New York, the Germans are forced to build a special vessel capable of sailing underwater. The current North Sea air, the gloomy and stormy nights, the vast expanses of the seas and oceans are no defense against the constant, all-encompassing surveillance that impedes all German movement on the water. There is reason to believe that this state of affairs cannot continue indefinitely. However, the belief that its unlimited continuation—to the exclusion of all other means of attack—will decide the outcome of the struggle is fully justified. We have the right to be completely satisfied with this situation. The military mission of the British fleet is being fulfilled unconditionally, thoroughly, and successfully. Without a battle, we have gained everything that the greatest victory in battle could have given us. This is the starting point of all discussions of naval warfare. We are satisfied!

If the Germans are not equally satisfied with the existing state of affairs, the means to change it lies within their grasp. To free themselves from all the inconveniences they suffer, they need only find the Grand Fleet and destroy it in battle. If this were successful, all difficulties for Germany would be eliminated. The British armies would no longer be able to hold out on the continent; the life and industry of the United Kingdom would be paralyzed, the supply of ammunition would be cut off, and the entire edifice of war, diplomacy, and trade among the Allied Powers would collapse at a single blow. Victory in the Great War—certain, swift, and final victory, dominion of the seas, mastery of the world, the entire future of civilization—lies within their grasp if only this first obstacle were overcome. Their task is to act.

A consideration of these simple facts should make clear to common sense what is so often overlooked or misunderstood: namely, that the actions of the British fleet are, in fact, offensive and aggressive. We have seized the initiative and reaped every advantage; our silent assault on the enemy's vital interests continues uninterrupted—summer and winter, day and night, year after year. No military duty requires us to go further. The next move belongs to the Germans. It is a perfectly simple and understandable one. If they do not make it, it is only because they are not strong enough and do not dare. Never has the need been so great, nor the remedy so obvious.

The situation described above is complete in itself and, from our point of view, entirely satisfactory. If we turn to the Battle of Jutland, however, new and additional circumstances emerge. The British had no need to seek this battle. There was no strategic reason or compulsion to lead our battle fleet into Danish waters. If we wished to go there, it was prompted by zeal and a sense of our own strength. A burning desire to engage the enemy, crowded before us, and a cool calculation of a wide field of advantages justified the maneuver, which, however, was not required by any practical necessity. What harm would it do us if the German fleet one day put to sea? And to what extent could such an undertaking alter Germany's grim and deadly situation—would she find salvation or perish? If Germany wishes to reverse the course of fate, her fleet must not simply put to sea: it must put to sea and fight to the final outcome. The English fleet is given the right to decide where and under what conditions the battle will be fought.

When we hear of Sir John Jellicoe hastening across the North Sea, with his battle squadron at full speed towards the German coast, and Admiral Beatty and his battle-cruisers far in advance; when we see those great ships moving southward, with white foam curling about their stems, and black columns of smoke rising from their tripod masts, we must at once say to ourselves, "What a superiority they must have!" Surely the English fleet would not seek battle off the enemy's coast unless it felt itself not only strong enough to win, but strong enough to accept all the additional dangers and inconveniences that are inevitable in fighting away from its own strongholds and in dangerous waters.

We are justified in believing that such a decision was made solely on the basis of rational, prudent calculations of forces and well-founded confidence. Suppose, for example, that we had lost a dozen of our best ships; even then, we would not have abandoned such a bold policy, but would have merely retreated to a safer and significantly stronger position, forcing the enemy to approach our shores to seek the superiority he lacked. Thus, the Battle of Jutland should be viewed as a daring attempt to force battle on the enemy—an attempt born of a fully justified sense of overwhelming superiority, confirmed by the events themselves.

The movements of our battlecruisers and fast battleships can rightfully be more daring and adventurous. This fast squadron is at least three times stronger than all the enemy's fast heavy ships. No enemy force powerful enough to pose a threat to it can overtake it or force it into battle. Against the German battleships, it has no need to engage at all. It can approach the entire German fleet without requiring support, and yet remain significantly stronger than any single part of the enemy force without exposing itself to danger or engaging in a decisive battle.

Even if Sir David Beatty is a hundred nautical miles ahead of Sir John Jellicoe, he still maintains contact with him. Their mutual arrangement is completely secure and satisfactory. Beatty can withdraw at any moment, or Jellicoe can summon him. Communication between them is uninterrupted, and the situation is entirely within their control. The only danger is that an individual ship might fail to keep up with the others. But no matter how difficult it would be to abandon a comrade to his fate, this cannot be allowed to become the cause of a general engagement with the enemy battlefleet. With this caveat, the movements of our fast squadron are completely free. Therefore, there can be no question of carelessness or excessive haste, given the enormous distance between the fast ships and the Grand Fleet at the start of the battle.

The battle began with an attack by six British battlecruisers against five German ones, with the British ships significantly outnumbering the enemy. The enemy, understandably, retreated to its main forces. During the battle, we received reinforcements: first, in the form of four fast battleships of the Queen Elizabeth class, and second, three of Admiral Hood's old battlecruisers. Thus, in terms of the fast forces of both fleets, the British superiority in number of ships was 13 to 5, and in strength artillery — at least 4 to 1. When the German High Seas Fleet appeared on the battlefield, Beatty easily avoided a general engagement with it by a simple expedient: by increasing speed, he forced the German battlecruisers to stay close to him or allow him to encircle them ("put a stick over their T"). Thus, the fast ships escaped the German High Seas Fleet, and only the Queen Elizabeth-class ships, at the end of our line, engaged the leading enemy battleships for a while, for which they were, in fact, perfectly suited. All this seems natural and entirely satisfactory.

Surprisingly, however, the fire of the significantly superior British batteries failed to produce decisive results against the enemy battlecruisers during the three-hour battle. The Lützow was sunk. The Seydlitz and Derfflinger were heavily damaged, and the others suffered similarly. The shifting fog banks created poor visibility in every respect. The loss of three of our ships instantly reduced our forces. But the fact that four of the five German battlecruisers continued to sail and fire throughout the battle and then managed to escape is noteworthy.

The simplest explanation is that this can be attributed to the much heavier armor these resilient ships possessed compared to our battlecruisers. In any case, the Queen Elizabeth-class ships, the most heavily armored ships in the world, withstood the terrifying fire of the outnumbered German battleships without any losses or reduction in combat effectiveness. As far as lessons can be learned from this event today, the value of heavy armor appears proven. When the two main forces engaged, the superiority of the British gunnery became almost immediately apparent, even though only a portion of the British line was involved. The German fleet broke off the engagement and retreated under cover of fog and gathering dusk. It had suffered serious damage in this brief but memorable encounter. Certainly, individual ships of the British battle fleet demonstrated superior fighting qualities to the enemy—even without taking into account their numerical superiority. There can also be no doubt that the continuation of the battle would have led to only one outcome, and this was clear and acknowledged by the enemy himself.

Never before had a navy been under such pressure to win a battle and secure a decisive victory as the German fleet did in those days. Never before had it been presented with such a favorable opportunity. Its enemy had come almost to its very doors. It was far from its bases; it was in Germany's own dangerous waters. It was engaged in a pursuit that gave the Germans every opportunity to lead it into minefields and into the reach of submarines.

Poor visibility hindered long-range combat and offered good opportunities to employ the much-touted German medium artillery, as well as favoring all the principles by which the German fleet was built and trained. And yet, despite all this, although the Germans desperately needed victory, they were hesitant to tempt fate. So highly did they value the superiority of the British fleet that they avoided all risks and were strong enough to forego almost all the advantages that came to their aid in the hope of a solution they did not strategically require. So deeply ingrained was the conviction of their own weakness in the minds of the German commanders, and so intensified by direct contact with the enemy, that despite all the advantages in their favor, they refused to engage, even though victory in it could have saved Germany.

There can be no question of a lack of courage on the part of the German crews and commanders. This is acknowledged openly and without reservation. Here we are dealing with a cold, scientific calculation of military force, and the conclusion is absolutely clear and definite. History Naval warfare knows neither a more arrogant assertion of military superiority on the part of the strongest fleet, nor a more humiliating admission of one's own impotence on the part of the weakest - both were fully justified by the facts and events of this Battle of Jutland.

That the torpedo proved comparatively ineffective in influencing the course of a general naval battle is equally clear and equally satisfying. A stronger navy bases its might primarily on the strength of its heavy guns in the line of battle. Our entire system, our entire understanding of naval warfare, rests on this. This has always been the case in the past, and despite all the changes brought about by technological advances, it remains the foundation of all naval policy and strategy. A first-class naval power relies on artillery; a second-class one must place its hopes on the torpedo. The designs and construction of German ships of all classes, the organization of their fleet—everything corresponds to this principle.

English naval thinking, while remaining true to the fundamental idea of ​​the superiority of artillery, has in recent times increasingly taken into account the threat of torpedoes. weapons. And indeed, it's hard not to consider it as perhaps the decisive weapon in the struggle. However, at the Battle of Jutland, some sixty or seventy capital ships of both fleets were subjected to nearly two hundred daring surface and underwater torpedo attacks over nearly twenty hours—in daylight and darkness. On the British side, only one ship, the Marlborough, was hit, and without having to cease fire, while all the reckless courage of our own flotillas cost us no more than three or four losses. This is perhaps the most astonishing and, for us, one of the most reassuring results of the battle.

It would be dangerous to draw definitive conclusions from the experience of a single battle or to assume that the long and increasingly fierce rivalry between cannon and torpedo has already been decisively decided in favor of the former. But if this battle is at all capable of pointing the way, it inevitably demonstrates the primacy of artillery power and relegates the torpedo to a secondary role when it comes to the great decisions of war. And here we see again the harsh law of modern naval warfare: "To the strongest fleet, everything; to the next strongest, nothing." "From him who has nothing, even what he has will be taken away."

It is striking, in general, to what extent the effects of even moderate superiority at sea are complete and comprehensive. Take two fleets whose strengths are in the ratio of sixteen to ten. Does the stronger navy receive sixteen parts of the sea power, and the weaker ten? Does the stronger control sixteen parts of the sea, and the weaker ten? Does the weaker control even five parts? Or even one? No, decidedly not. The high seas are entirely and completely in the hands of the strongest. The weaker navy is left with nothing; its expenditures bear no fruit, its efforts go unrewarded. It cannot even, as in the old days of sailing navies, wage a protracted cruising war until the weaker main fleet is capable of giving decisive battle. The destruction of every cruiser or merchantman under its flag, every stronghold and every colony abroad, is only a matter of time. In this contest, there are no consolation prizes.

It's noteworthy that public opinion tends to judge naval operations more critically and even more biasedly than those on land. On land, heavy losses occurred—sometimes needlessly, sometimes with very minor and unsatisfactory results. Mismanagement, indecisiveness, slowness, and reckless daring all play a role there, leading to dire consequences. But in the chaos of battle, all of this is difficult to discern. So much remains uncertain, so much is shrouded in darkness, so many circumstances can confuse the picture and distort the outcome. And yet, through it all, shines the tireless courage of the troops, their selfless sacrifice, the supreme need to support them rather than encourage the enemy. Therefore, public judgments of events on land are either indulgent or expectant.

With a navy, it's different. The sea is smooth and clear. Every ship on its surface is visible—a precise target. If it perishes, it's an undeniable fact. If even one ship is lost, it's considered a misfortune, the result of some simple cause—carelessness, recklessness, incompetence—for which someone must be punished. And yet, an admiral undoubtedly has a greater right to count on the generosity of his compatriots than a general. His military craft is almost entirely unique. Hardly any of them had any prior experience at sea. They all had to learn during the war—in new and unpredictable conditions, and in peacetime, often completely unimaginable.

While some generals, perched in high headquarters and issuing orders for hopeless attacks over the telephone from miles away, have often thought it would be a great relief to be on the battlefield, even briefly, this is impossible under the conditions of modern warfare. But an admiral on his bridge, leading his fleet or squadron into battle with his very presence, an admiral whose proudly flying flag serves as the target of concentrated fire, which, minute by minute, with almost a single wave of the hand, directs the course of the greatest and most ferocious battle, like the warrior kings and paladins of antiquity—he is a truly heroic figure.

Never before had the average seaman of the Navy been exposed to such dangers as Jellicoe and Beatty. No general, however admirable, had to face, firsthand, amid the thunder of battle, with instant death ever before his eyes, such monstrous and excruciatingly difficult tasks as they did. Mighty ships, each equivalent in military value to at least an entire infantry division, vanish in a single, monstrous explosion, leaving not a trace. A third of the battlecruiser squadron is destroyed in a matter of minutes; ships of the greatest value are lost forever; the fate of the Allied cause, the fate of the British Empire, the outcome of the World War—all is at stake, all hangs in the balance, all is shrouded in uncertainty. Surely, of all the personal trials by fire of the Great War, this was the supreme test, and in it lies true glory.

Author: Winston Churchill. Translation: Slug_BDMP
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  1. +9
    13 June 2026 05: 05
    Churchill was a great inventor, with personal sympathies and biases, prone to a subjective view of events. Minus him! But a big plus to the author for the translation!
    1. +3
      13 June 2026 05: 33
      Quote: Xenon
      Churchill, a great inventor,

      In Britain, it was Churchill who warned of the need to pay closer attention to Hitler, unlike politicians like Chamberlain. On June 22, he addressed the Soviet people, declaring that Britain was henceforth an ally of the USSR against Nazism. In the article, Churchill simply expressed the opinion of an ordinary Englishman who knew that British admirals had no room for error and that Germany's failure to inflict heavy losses on the British fleet indicated that Jellicoe and Beatty had prevented the Germans from achieving success.
      1. +2
        13 June 2026 08: 34
        Quote: gsev
        Churchill simply expressed the opinion of an ordinary Englishman.

        You can say all sorts of things about Churchill. One thing is certain: Churchill was an intelligent man and, accordingly, a great politician. Of course, he wasn't without his weaknesses. For example, he was an avid drinker. drinks and have a snack good Golovanov's memoirs immediately come to mind. Stalin, sending Churchill away from Moscow, loaded the plane with gifts for Roosevelt—sturgeon, black caviar, and Armenian cognac. Winston kept the sturgeon and caviar, but he couldn't resist the cognac. belay devoured in flight drinks Which he later apologetically confessed to Stalin. lol Yes, the descendant of the Earls of Marlborough was very fond of Armenian. recourse
        1. +2
          13 June 2026 11: 03
          Quote: Proxima
          Yes, the descendant of the Earls of Marlborough was very fond of Armenian.
          Churchill always drank whiskey. The Armenian cognac story was invented by propagandists.
        2. +3
          13 June 2026 11: 18
          "descendant of the Earls of Marlborough" - not earls, but dukes.
          1. +5
            13 June 2026 11: 54
            Quote: Sergey Valov
            "descendant of the Earls of Marlborough" - not earls, but dukes
            The title of Duke in England appeared only in 14th century, and before that, everyone there was an earl, or rather, an earl. Marlborough was such an earl before he became a duke...
            1. +3
              13 June 2026 15: 33
              This is the kind of earl Marlborough was before he became a duke...
              The title of "Dukes of Marlborough" was created in 1702. The town of the same name is located in the county of Wiltshire.
              1. +4
                13 June 2026 17: 22
                Quote: 3x3zsave
                The title of "Dukes of Marlborough" was created in 1702. The town of the same name is located in the county of Wiltshire.
                I'm not talking about this specific title, but about dukes in England in general. As for the specific title of the Duke of Marlborough, before becoming a duke, a member of this family was almost certainly an earl, as today's English noble families all trace their origins back to the era of William the Conqueror, who, incidentally, abolished ducal titles. It seems the Earls Spencer, from whose line the well-known Diana descends, are some branch of the Dukes of Marlborough, but for some reason, they don't hold that title. This requires further investigation. But in any case, the Dukes of Marlborough were by no means peasants before receiving this title...
                1. +1
                  13 June 2026 22: 07
                  Quote: Luminman
                  As for the specific title of the Duke of Marlborough, before becoming a duke, a representative of this family was most likely an earl.

                  John Churchill was created Lord Churchill of Eyemouth (1682) in the Scottish Peerage by King Charles II, Baron Churchill of Sandridge (1685) by James II, and Earl of Marlborough (1689) in the Peerage of England by King William III. Shortly after her accession in 1702, Queen Anne created Churchill the first Duke of Marlborough and granted him the additional title of Marquess of Blandford.
                  Quote: Luminman
                  But in any case, the Dukes of Marlborough were by no means peasants before receiving this title...

                  The father of the first Duke of Marlborough, Sir Winston Churchill, was a royalist, a member of the House of Commons and a knight.
                  1. +4
                    14 June 2026 06: 54
                    Quote: Senior Sailor
                    John Churchill was created Lord Churchill of Eyemouth (1682)
                    Here we need to dig much deeper – to certain Spencers, who took part in William's conquest of England and had Norman roots. It was from them that all these modern Spencers, Churchills, and many, many others descended...

                    P.S. When Diana died in a car accident, much was written about her family tree and distant connection to the Marlboroughs. There are probably serious monographs on this topic, but I haven't read them – it's not my area of ​​expertise...
                2. +3
                  14 June 2026 01: 54
                  So, here we have an interesting reason for an article, in all this, informative and thorough feel Without smirks and with facts, and I would also like to know without 1000 characters for the sake of characters, without sarcasm, but simply a desire to know more.
        3. +2
          13 June 2026 18: 20
          Churchill had a good mouth. A real Armenian horse.
          really good.
      2. +2
        13 June 2026 12: 42
        Quote: gsev
        In Britain, it was Churchchild who warned of the need to be more careful with Hitler than politicians like Chamberlain.

        At the same time, Britain fought the "Chamberlain legacy" throughout the first half of the war. And the navy continued to do so throughout the entire war.
        "Peacemaker" Chamberlain increased the military budget sixfold during his three years as prime minister. He saw clearly where Europe was heading, and began pumping money into the military-industrial complex while still Chancellor of the Exchequer, even though his primary goal was precisely to cut costs. smile
        For which he was denounced by Labour as a "militarist" and "Mr Death".
        "Government leaders," Morrison said in a typical speech on November 3, 1935, "are pushing ahead with rearmament, and Mr. Chamberlain is willing to spend millions on weapons of destruction. However, he has no money for the unemployed, for the deprived areas prone to depression, or for social security. He would rather spend on the means of death than on the means of life; he even looks like death."

        © S.V. Demidov. N. Chamberlain and his foreign policy program
        But the army, air force and industry, destroyed in previous years, could not be quickly restored - the first results of Chamberlain's "White Paper" appeared only in 1939. So the fruits of Chamberlain's program were already being reaped Shoigu Churchill. The same Churchill who proclaimed the "Ten Years Without War" concept, which killed the Imperial Armed Forces in the interwar period.

        And Munich... that's what Chamberlain spent his year of respite on:
        The year following Munich had borne fruit in England from the hard work begun in 1936. The 1938 air programme, which had envisaged increasing the number of aircraft in the homeland to 2370, had been successfully exceeded. Moreover, while less than 3000 aircraft had been produced in 1938, 8000 were expected in 1939. In February, five-year defence planning was doubled, from £400 million to £800 million. In March, defence spending for the current year was set at £600 million – double that of 1937. The tonnage of ships under construction exceeded the record figures of 1912–1914, the navy's firepower was to increase fivefold within four years, and fuel resources were replenished. The plan called for six regular divisions, including two armoured, and 13 new Territorial Army divisions capable of overseas operations; in April, these figures increased from 19 to 32 divisions.
        1. +1
          13 June 2026 17: 06
          Quote: Alexey RA
          So, the fruits of Chamberlain's program were already being reaped by Shoigu Churchill.

          Peacemaker Chamberlain surrendered the Czech Republic and its industry. Although in 1938, if Germany had actively resisted, it would have faced a military alliance of the USSR, Yugoslavia, Belgium, France, and Great Britain against Germany, Poland, and Hungary. However, in 1939 and 1940, both Poland and Czechoslovakia worked for Germany. It's unlikely that the growth of military production in Great Britain exceeded the loss of Czechoslovakia's military production to the Entente and the acquisition of this potential by Germany. Czechoslovakia simply cut off oil supplies to Germany in the event of war. Great Britain's GDP in 1938 was $280 billion, Germany's $350 billion. Over the course of the year, Germany's GDP grew by 9%, and Great Britain's by 1% in 1939. Against this backdrop of GDP and the threat posed by Hitler, defense spending, even its sixfold increase, was catastrophically low. The exchange rate was less than $5 to the pound sterling. In other words, under Chamberlain, military spending accounted for less than 2% of GDP.
          1. +3
            13 June 2026 18: 05
            Quote: gsev
            Although in 1938, in the event of active resistance, Germany would have faced a military alliance of the USSR, Yugoslavia, Belgium, France and Great Britain against Germany, Poland and Hungary.

            The problem is that France didn't want to fight. Neither in 1936 nor in 1938. Yet it was precisely France that was the main guarantor of Czechoslovakia's independence.
            Britain was the "emperor's new clothes." All it had was a navy. And it couldn't accomplish much in Europe.
            Quote: gsev
            It is unlikely that the growth of military production in Great Britain exceeded the loss of military production from Czechoslovakia to the Entente and the acquisition of this potential by Germany.

            Again:
            The year following Munich brought England the fruits of the hard work begun in 1936. The 1938 air programme, which envisaged increasing the number of aircraft in the homeland to 2370, was successfully exceeded. Moreover, while less than 3000 aircraft were produced in 1938, 8000 were expected in 1939. In February, five-year defence planning was doubled, from 400 to 800 million pounds sterling. In March, defence spending for the current year was set at 600 million pounds sterling – double that of 1937. The tonnage of ships under construction exceeded the record figures of 1912–1914, the navy's firepower was to increase fivefold within four years, and fuel resources were replenished. The plan called for six regular divisions, including two armoured, and 13 new Territorial Army divisions capable of overseas operations; in April, these figures increased from 19 to 32 divisions.

            For comparison: for 1936-1937
            It was planned to form 4 new infantry battalions, modernize the weapons and strengthen the air defense systems of the Territorial Army, and increase the number of the Air Force to 1750 combat vehicles, not counting naval aviation.

            Four battalions! belay
            Few people understand the full depth of the abyss in which the army and air force of the Empire found themselves by the mid-30s.
          2. +1
            14 June 2026 11: 56
            "It's unlikely that the growth of military production in Great Britain exceeded the loss of Czechoslovakia's military production to the Entente and the acquisition of this potential by Germany" - you are mistaken, military production in England grew by leaps and bounds from the beginning of the war, while Germany's rapid growth only began in 1942. With all due respect to Czechoslovakian industry, it is a dwarf compared to England and Germany.
            1. +2
              14 June 2026 13: 49
              Quote: Sergey Valov
              You're wrong, military production in England grew by leaps and bounds from the start of the war, while Germany's rapid growth only began in 1942.

              No. Germany experienced rapid growth in 1936 and later, and from 1942 onwards they switched to a mobilization economy... And even then, with reservations.
            2. 0
              14 June 2026 15: 30
              Quote: Sergey Valov
              With all due respect to Czechoslovakian industry, it is a dwarf compared to England and Germany.

              On the eve of the invasion of Czechoslovakia, its tank force was approximately 65% ​​of Germany's, and its artillery force was approximately 30%. Moreover, it was Czechoslovakian, not German, factories that exported the majority of weapons in the 1930s. It's possible that even the British ground forces' military industry was underdeveloped compared to the Czech Republic's in 1937. Tanks in 1938: Germany had 720, Czechoslovakia had 469. The ratio of tanks armed with machine guns and cannons was 8 to 1 in Czechoslovakia's favor. Aircraft: Germany had 2500, Czechoslovakia had 1582. The opponents' bomber forces were roughly equal: the Germans' primary bomber was the Ju-86, while the Czechs had the SB (aka B-71), aircraft with similar technical characteristics. Germany had about 15,000 guns and mortars, while Czechoslovakia had about 5700. Britain and France could count on Soviet assistance in defending Czechoslovakia. Germany, Italy, Hungary, and Poland were much weaker than Czechoslovakia, the USSR, France, Yugoslavia, and Great Britain in 1938. Turkey could easily be ally against Italy by promising to help expel the Italians from Ethiopia, Libya, and the islands in the Eastern Mediterranean. Great Britain easily gained Eritrea and the Ogadener Peninsula, while Turkey gained Libya and the islands.
              1. +1
                14 June 2026 16: 09
                In 1939, the US had about 100 tanks (one brigade) and just over 1500 aircraft. But you wouldn't claim that the US military industrial potential was less than that of Czechoslovakia, would you? My point is, we shouldn't consider the size of a country's armed forces, but rather its industrial potential, population size, mineral wealth, and so on.
                1. 0
                  14 June 2026 16: 50
                  Quote: Sergey Valov
                  In 1939, the United States had about 100 tanks (one brigade) and just over 1500 aircraft in its arsenal.

                  I know about the American military concept of not producing weapons but stockpiling materials and equipment for their production. The US was overseas and had three years to prepare. After the outbreak of World War II, the US began producing weapons and increasing its ground forces. Following World War II, the US largely abandoned this concept. However, the Skoda and other factories in Czechoslovakia were among the largest arms exporters in the world. The Czech Republic's role in 1938 is like the DPRK's role in 2024-2025. Putin solved the ammunition problem and was able to clear the Kursk region of Ukrainian special forces. If he had green-lighted imports from North Korea (weapons, machine tools, chemical products, greenhouse equipment, footwear, and clothing) and imposed a ban on imports of North Korean equivalents from countries that do not supply Russia or supply the Ukrainian Armed Forces, he would have undermined the economies of Germany, France, Denmark, and the Netherlands and reduced their motivation to help kill Russians.
      3. +3
        13 June 2026 12: 42
        Quote: gsev
        In Britain, it was Churchchild who warned of the need to be more careful with Hitler than politicians like Chamberlain.

        At the same time, Britain fought the "Chamberlain legacy" throughout the first half of the war. And the navy continued to do so throughout the entire war.
        "Peacemaker" Chamberlain increased the military budget fivefold (from 120 million to 600 million) during his three years as prime minister. He saw clearly where Europe was heading, and began pumping money into the military-industrial complex while still Chancellor of the Exchequer, even though his primary goal was precisely to cut costs. smile
        For which he was denounced by Labour as a "militarist" and "Mr Death".
        "Government leaders," Morrison said in a typical speech on November 3, 1935, "are pushing ahead with rearmament, and Mr. Chamberlain is willing to spend millions on weapons of destruction. However, he has no money for the unemployed, for the deprived areas prone to depression, or for social security. He would rather spend on the means of death than on the means of life; he even looks like death."

        © S.V. Demidov. N. Chamberlain and his foreign policy program
        But the army, air force and industry, destroyed in previous years, could not be quickly restored - the first results of Chamberlain's "White Paper" appeared only in 1939. So the fruits of Chamberlain's program were already being reaped Shoigu Churchill. The same Churchill who proclaimed the "Ten Years Without War" concept, which killed the Imperial Armed Forces in the interwar period.

        And Munich... that's what Chamberlain spent his year of respite on:
        The year following Munich had borne fruit in England from the hard work begun in 1936. The 1938 air programme, which had envisaged increasing the number of aircraft in the homeland to 2370, had been successfully exceeded. Moreover, while less than 3000 aircraft had been produced in 1938, 8000 were expected in 1939. In February, five-year defence planning was doubled, from £400 million to £800 million. In March, defence spending for the current year was set at £600 million – double that of 1937. The tonnage of ships under construction exceeded the record figures of 1912–1914, the navy's firepower was to increase fivefold within four years, and fuel resources were replenished. The plan called for six regular divisions, including two armoured, and 13 new Territorial Army divisions capable of overseas operations; in April, these figures increased from 19 to 32 divisions.
    2. +3
      13 June 2026 09: 26
      Quote: Xenon
      Churchill, a great inventor, with personal sympathies and biases, prone to a subjective view of events. Minus him!

      Churchill was first and foremost a politician, not a historian, and he wasn't interested in an accurate and impartial account of events. He was interested in reassuring a public disturbed by the battle's less-than-successful outcome. And he succeeded quite well.
      So that's a plus for him.
    3. +1
      13 June 2026 10: 34
      This was not said about Winston, but it applies to him equally: "He was neither a good tactician nor a good strategist. The trouble was that he considered himself one."
  2. +3
    13 June 2026 06: 02
    Quote: gsev
    In Britain, it was Churchchild who warned of the need to be careful with Hitler.
    Churchill hated the Germans at a genetic level, considering them the main enemy of the British Empire, and all of this shone through in his books. He also had large debts to a Jewish banker, but that was in the future.
    Quote: gsev
    On June 22, he addressed the Soviet people that from that day on, Great Britain would be an ally of the USSR against Nazism.
    I can't vouch for the accuracy of the quote, but Churchill is credited with the saying that "we have made a pact with the devil to drive out Beelzebub." In this scenario, who is the devil and who is Beelzebub, I hope it's clear?
    Quote: gsev
    In the article, Churchill simply expressed the opinion of an ordinary Englishman.
    Churchill, by nature of his birth, never took into account the opinion of the ordinary Englishman, especially since he himself once headed the Admiralty and it was from this point of view that his article was written
    1. +3
      13 June 2026 09: 25
      Quote: Xenon
      I can't vouch for the accuracy of the quote, but Churchill is credited with the expression that "we have made a pact with the devil to drive out Beelzebub."

      The exact quote has a slightly different meaning. When Churchill read his speech expressing sympathy for the USSR and his willingness to assist it, one journalist sarcastically asked why Churchill, a hater of communism, would suddenly change his approach so radically. Churchill responded, "If Hitler invaded hell, I would at least speak favorably of Satan in the House of Commons."
    2. 0
      13 June 2026 12: 00
      "Churchill simply hated the Germans at a genetic level, considering them the main enemy of the British Empire, and all this shone through in his books." – not the Germans, but Germany, both Reichs, as the most dangerous adversaries of the British Empire. He also had no love for Russia and the USSR, but at certain points in history they were needed as allies of Britain.
    3. +1
      13 June 2026 17: 17
      Quote: Xenon
      I can't vouch for the accuracy of the quote, but Churchill is credited with the expression that "we have made a pact with the devil to drive out Beelzebub."

      In his address on June 22, 1941, Churchill reiterated that he remained an enemy of communism, but the message of his speech was that Britain was a reliable ally of the USSR in the war. The USSR had its own interests. In 1947, the USSR recognized India's independence before Gandhi and Nehru had decided to declare it.
  3. +2
    13 June 2026 06: 30
    The variable fog bands gave us the worst visibility conditions in all respects.
    and the Germans were... in different conditions.?

    A cheerful article - apparently, this is what is needed during wartime...
    1. 0
      13 June 2026 08: 54
      After the main forces of Jellicoe were discovered, the Germans' only task was to escape, so the fog stripes were to their advantage.
      As for the conditions for shooting, they changed for both sides during the battle.
      1. 0
        13 June 2026 19: 29
        Quote: Cartalon
        After the main forces of Jellicoe were discovered, the Germans' only task was to escape, so the fog stripes were to their advantage.
        What was the point of going out at all then? Did they really think they could defeat the British piecemeal (with radios)?
        1. +1
          14 June 2026 12: 37
          Quote: bk0010
          Did they really think they could defeat the British in pieces (with radio)?

          Radio is by no means a panacea. Even during World War II, there were so many radiograms that were poisoned but not received (or received "correctly"), which ultimately decided so much in history...
        2. +1
          14 June 2026 13: 51
          Quote: bk0010
          Did they really think they could defeat the British in pieces (with radio)?

          Of course. What could have prevented it? What's the point of a radio when you have a detachment of ships, the enemy outnumbers you by two to one, and it takes hours for the main force to reach the scene?
          1. 0
            14 June 2026 19: 14
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            What's the point of a radio when you have a detachment of ships, the enemy outnumbers you twice as much, and it takes hours for the main force to reach the scene of action?
            And how could the Germans have orchestrated such a situation? Let me remind you that we're not talking about cruisers, but about battleships.
            1. +1
              15 June 2026 09: 24
              Quote: bk0010
              And how could the Germans organize such a situation?

              Just as they effectively organized it in December 1914. When the British thought they were about to be attacked by Hipper's battlecruisers, they put Beatty's battlecruisers and just one squadron of Warrender's dreadnoughts to sea—and Ingenohl put the entire FOM to sea. And they clashed... Only Ingenohl showed timidity and, for some reason, decided he was facing the entire Grand Fleet, otherwise...
              1. -1
                15 June 2026 19: 34
                Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                Just as they actually organized it in December 1914.
                It wasn't organized, it just "happened." I'm curious about the "organized" part. Constantly relying on the enemy's stupidity is fraught with danger.
                Why didn't they go and attack the battlecruisers en masse? They were serious ships.
                1. +1
                  15 June 2026 23: 46
                  Quote: bk0010
                  It wasn't organized, it just "happened that way."

                  Well, if the operation to lure out part of the Grand Fleet is "just how it happened"... Then what do you mean by "organized"?
                  1. -1
                    16 June 2026 21: 33
                    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                    What then do you mean by “organized”?
                    If only the Germans had lured the main British battle forces somewhere, while simultaneously sending information about the raid of the battlecruisers, then it would have been organized.
                    1. +1
                      16 June 2026 22: 45
                      Quote: bk0010
                      If only the Germans had lured the main linear forces of the British somewhere,

                      What? :)))))) Why lure out the "main battle forces"? The goal was to lure out PART of the battle forces, with our own battlecruisers acting as bait. Everything worked out—the British put to sea exactly as the Germans wanted. But the Germans withdrew the entire FOM, and the British, having access to German radio codes, were unable to detect it.
                      1. 0
                        17 June 2026 20: 23
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

                        What?:))))) Why lure out the "main linear forces"?
                        So that they don’t all go out together to repel the raid.
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        The goal was to lure out PART of the battle forces, with their own battlecruisers acting as bait. Everything worked—the British put to sea exactly as the Germans had intended.
                        It was British stupidity, not German intelligence, that was at work here. Why didn't the British all leave?
                      2. +1
                        17 June 2026 21: 23
                        Quote: bk0010
                        So that they don’t all go out together to repel the raid.

                        So you want them not to all come out together... So that they all come out together?:))))))) Schrödinger's Navy, nothing less.
                        Excuse me, but it seems you have some kind of plan and you think it's the only correct one. And since the Germans didn't follow it, that means they're disorganized, right? :))))
                        Quote: bk0010
                        It was the stupidity of the British that was at work here, not German intelligence.

                        What does German intelligence have to do with this?:)))))
                        Quote: bk0010
                        Why didn't all the English come out?

                        FOR WHAT?!!
                        Please state what you think the Germans should have done.
                      3. 0
                        18 June 2026 20: 11
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        Please state what you think the Germans should have done.
                        Well, for example. The Germans need to lure out part of the British fleet. Their intelligence supplies information that a pair of German battleships are heading for Iceland (battleships are indeed heading somewhere, but not to Iceland). The British send a dozen of their battleships after them. Then, the Germans supply information about a cruiser raid (not close to Iceland). The British deploy their battleships, and the Germans attack them with their entire fleet.
                      4. +1
                        18 June 2026 20: 41
                        Quote: bk0010
                        Their intelligence reports that a pair of German battleships have set sail for Iceland.

                        Let's go into more detail from this point on. I have two questions:
                        1) How should intelligence leak such information?
                        2) Where can I find such a fool in England who will believe that the 2nd Legion will go to Iceland?
                        Quote: bk0010
                        Next, the Germans throw in information about a raid by cruisers (not close to Iceland).

                        Why was it necessary to fake the dispatch of two battleships to Iceland? The British would deploy their own against the German battleships with minimal support anyway—no one would be chasing the entire Royal Navy after them.
                      5. 0
                        19 June 2026 20: 14
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        I have two questions:
                        1) How should intelligence leak such information?
                        An English agent sees the 2nd LK leaving the port. Another agent is fed information that they are heading for Iceland.

                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

                        Why was it necessary to simulate sending 2 LKs to Iceland for this purpose?
                        So that the main forces of the English fleet would be far away and would not have time to attack the Germans as they left after the battle.
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        2) Where can I find such a fool in England who will believe that the 2nd Legion will go to Iceland?
                        Remember PQ-17? Tirpitz never even left the base, but the British believed it.
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        The British will deploy their own light cruisers against the Germans with minimal support in any case - no one will chase them with the entire KVMF.
                        Well, that's stupid! The more ships you have, the fewer your losses. A battle between light cruisers is like a battle between hammers and eggs. That's a very bad option. A good option is to drive the enemy light cruisers into battleships. In World War II, there would have been other options, but for now, that's it.
                      6. 0
                        19 June 2026 21: 44
                        Quote: bk0010
                        An English agent sees the 2nd LK exiting the port.

                        So what?:))))) By the time he transmits this data to Foggy Albion, the battleships will have long since sailed to Iceland and returned back.
                        Quote: bk0010
                        Another agent is fed information that they are heading towards Iceland.

                        It didn't work like that at ALL. No British agents could have transmitted anything like that. The British relied solely on radio intercepts, using them to detect German ships heading out to sea. Or maybe they didn't – radio, as you've already been told, was unreliable, and in that operation I wrote about above, they missed the FOM's deployment.
                        Quote: bk0010
                        So that the main forces of the English fleet would be far away and would not have time to attack the Germans as they left after the battle.

                        The main forces, standing in their bases, won't have time to hit anyone anyway. There's no need to drive them anywhere.
                        Quote: bk0010
                        Remember PQ-17? Tirpitz never even left the base, but the British believed it.

                        You... Please keep in mind that the experience of WWII is not applicable here at all. The concept of a "single battleship raider" did not exist in WWI.
                        Quote: bk0010
                        Well, that's stupid! The more ships, the fewer our losses.

                        It's stupid to send the entire fleet chasing forces that a quarter of the fleet can handle. Because every, EVERY combat sortie carries the risk of losses—from mines, submarines, and other inevitable accidents at sea.
                      7. 0
                        20 June 2026 12: 12
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

                        The main forces, standing in their bases, won't have time to hit anyone anyway.
                        So what's stopping us from going full-blown lawlessness at sea?

                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

                        It's stupid to send the entire fleet in pursuit of forces that a quarter of the fleet can handle.
                        This quarter alone will lose half of its ships, and the other half will require lengthy repairs. But the entire fleet will destroy the enemy in a jiffy, without significant losses.
                      8. 0
                        20 June 2026 12: 43
                        Quote: bk0010
                        So what's stopping us from going full-blown lawlessness at sea?

                        British radio intelligence was actually a hindrance. But the Germans didn't know this. And they went wild, sending their light cruisers to shell British cities.
                        Quote: bk0010
                        This quarter alone will lose half of its ships,

                        In reality, a quarter lost nothing, but the Germans lost Sinech... sorry, Blucher.
      2. +1
        14 June 2026 08: 06
        Quote: Cartalon
        conditions for shooting, they changed for the parties during the battle.

        equally for both parties
        1. +2
          14 June 2026 08: 18
          No, shooting conditions are always different, at least due to the position of the sun, the direction of the wind, and in the North Sea in fog they are not even close to the same.
          1. 0
            15 June 2026 06: 57
            Well, yes, each side has its own fog, its own wind and its own waves. Yes
            1. 0
              15 June 2026 08: 10
              Yes, that's right, the wind can blow your smoke away so that it will interfere with your shooting, you can end up in a strip of fog and the enemy will not see you, and your observers from the match will calmly adjust the shooting.
              1. 0
                15 June 2026 12: 39
                Quote: Cartalon
                the wind can blow away your smoke

                The wind is the same for everyone, as is the fog—but how everyone managed to adapt is another question.
                1. +1
                  15 June 2026 14: 17
                  It doesn't work that way, the wind is different for both sides, the fog is not continuous either, they don't shoot broadside to broadside, but at the limit of visibility
  4. +2
    14 June 2026 07: 03
    Quote: bk0010
    Did they really think they could defeat the British in pieces (with radio)?
    The German plan for naval supremacy envisioned the destruction of the British fleet piecemeal. For obvious reasons...
  5. -1
    15 June 2026 20: 54
    All the commentators latched onto the minutiae, right down to Churchill's personal preferences. But apparently no one noticed the main point:
    Only the FIRST most powerful fleet matters.
    Having a SECOND fleet is pointless.
    1. +1
      15 June 2026 23: 49
      Quote: Slug_BDMP
      But apparently no one noticed the main idea:

      It's just... It's so banal:))))))
      Quote: Slug_BDMP
      Having a SECOND fleet is pointless.

      It only makes sense if:
      1. There are real ways for the second fleet to become the first
      2. There are limited tasks that are important and that a given fleet is capable of performing. Example: the USSR Navy.