Footage of the new 30mm AI-guided anti-aircraft gun in action against Ukrainian drones has been shown.

Footage of the new domestic anti-aircraft gun in action has appeared online. artillery complex with a caliber of 30 mm. It is intended primarily to counter drones.

The footage from "Obsessed with War" shows the ZAK operating against Ukrainian "Lyuty" aircraft-type UAVs.

A key distinguishing feature of this system is its ability to visually detect targets in the dark using its thermal imaging system. Furthermore, the radar system is equipped with an analytical core that enables the use of artificial intelligence to recognize specific targets.

The footage shows an enemy unmanned aerial vehicle appearing in the center of the targeting reticle, after which the ZAK opens fire, literally disintegrating the drone in mid-air. The drone's wreckage then falls to the ground, and the system begins searching for a new target. Once it finds one, the ZAK destroys it with its own fire.

With the scaling up of production of such systems, the situation with countering enemy UAVs may change significantly.

Comments

[Herring]

There is a difference whether a drone exploded in the air or exploded upon hitting an object.

[Netl]

Quote: Herring

There is a difference, the drone exploded in the air

Considering that the effective range of a 30mm anti-aircraft gun is approximately 2 km, even detonating an enemy drone in mid-air can cause significant damage to the protected facility. Therefore, the usefulness of stationary anti-aircraft emplacements is very limited.

If such systems were deployed en masse on aircraft and enemy drones were shot down well in advance, then air defenses would be incomparably more effective. Let's hope that something similar can be achieved, and that our mobile air defense systems will destroy the enemy long before they reach vulnerable targets.

[Mister X]

Quote: Netl

shoot down enemy drones well in advance

For example, in the skies of the Baltic States.

[Netl]

Quote: Mister X

in the skies of the Baltics

That would also be nice, of course, but it could only be shot down with expensive missiles.
But flying up and calmly shooting from close range with a 30 mm gun is only possible on your own territory.

But given that the Ukrainian Nazis are now flying more than 1000 km deep into Russia, there will clearly be no problem finding targets.

[Mister X]

Quote: Netl

fly up and calmly shoot from close range with a 30 mm gun

It's unlikely
The jet plane is too fast.
You are probably familiar with examples of the enemy using "maize" aircraft and helicopters.

[Netl]

Quote: Mister X

The jet plane is too fast.

Not just any. For example, a Yak 130, suitably equipped, would be ideal!

Quote: Mister X

Examples of enemy use

It's very difficult to separate real statistics from propaganda there. Although they claim to shoot down most Geranekas this way, there are examples of our successful use of the Ka-52. With its onboard cannon, the helicopter becomes the most effective interceptor of long-range drones. A simpler aircraft would be more effective and much cheaper per sortie.

[Ovsigovets]

Are we mass-producing the Yak-130? Or do we have something similar with a range of over 10 km? "I'm a theoretician in that department... I really love sending... Sending my regards" (S)... And you're all living in pipe dreams. You should dream within the limits of what you have. And yes, a downed UAV is 100% better than one that hits its target, in any scenario.

[Netl]

Quote: Ovsigovets

Are we mass producing the Yak-130?

To dramatically increase Yak-130 production, it's enough to make an organizational decision: transfer resources in Irkutsk from the Su-30SM2 to the Yak-130, which is much simpler, cheaper, and more technologically advanced. Once again, nothing more is needed than the right management decision.

Quote: Ovsigovets

You have to dream within the framework of existing models

This is an extremely dangerous misconception. A modern war cannot be won by mass-producing weapons from the 70s. Quite the opposite! We need to invent new weapons as quickly as possible, put them into production, even in small batches. Then use them in combat. Refine them based on combat experience. And so on, in a cycle of maximum acceleration!

[Ovsigovets]

You keep fantasizing... the Yak-130 is still an airplane, and it takes a LOT of it to cover the skies with it, that's one. A modern Yak-130 will be radically different from the existing Yak-130, that's two. Free production capacity, that's three (and don't write nonsense about reorienting Su-30 production lines to Yaks—that's complete and utter bullshit). And it's not like writing a scribbled note saying "make the Yak-130 one time, two times," that's not a fairy tale. And the most important thing is PILOTS... where are we going to get a lot of them all at once... I'll add a LOT of PILOTS AT ONCE...
You're confusing your dreams with the development of technology, technology, and everything else—they're two completely different things. Aviation MUST be developed, and it's being done. There's no need to rave about nonsense—it's even more harmful. Worse than a fool in the navy is a fool with initiative.

[Netl]

Quote: Ovsigovets

The Yak-130 is still an airplane, and to cover the skies with it you need a LOT of it.

Currently, over a hundred Yak-130s are in service. Considering that the Ka-52 shot down over 10 drones per successful sortie, the Yak-130's superior capabilities, and the fact that the Ukrainian Nazis launch around 120 drones per day on average, dedicating at least 30 Yak-130s to air defense missions would significantly increase its effectiveness and reduce the burden on other assets. Naturally, a properly organized system must include the transmission of targeting data to the aircraft.

Quote: Ovsigovets

Edited about the reorientation of Su-30 production lines

You wrote nonsense about the production lines. I wrote about the redeployment of resources, primarily qualified personnel, of which Irkutsk is in dire need. Especially considering that the MS-21 also needs to be produced. So the Su-30SM2 is clearly redundant there. The same applies to engine production at Salyut.

Quote: Ovsigovets

TOO MANY PILOTS AT ONCE

We're not back in the days of the Great Patriotic War, when the gap in radar technology was compensated for by the number of fighter regiments. The key now is to properly organize systematic work. When the Yak-130 doesn't waste its resources on mindless patrols, but moves from target to target. With a well-organized system, an inordinate number of Yak-130s will never be needed.

[Ovsigovets]

Only 30 Yaks, but how much coverage will they provide with such a long front line? Are these 30 Yaks ready for counter-UAV operations, or do they need further development? From target to target? What the hell, from target to target? What are these targets leading from takeoff? And what are these targets moving in a stream to a specific location on schedule? A mobile 30mm anti-aircraft gun mounted on a truck is much cheaper and faster to produce, and only trained gunners are needed, not pilots. For context, one Yak was valued at $7.5 million for the Russian Federation. Therefore, truck-mounted mobile task forces will cover a wider front.

[Ovsigovets]

By the way, let me remind you that more than 250 Ka-52/Mi-28 have already been produced, and there are countless Mi-24s... So, have they covered the skies 100% from UAVs... But it turns out that just 30 Yaks will solve all the problems... Mdaaaa_a

[Netl]

Quote: Ovsigovets

How much will they cover with such a long line?

They shouldn't cover the front line. They should fly out to a specific target detected by an AWACS aircraft or ground-based radar, destroy it, and then move on to the next one.

Quote: Ovsigovets

or they need to be brought to mind

Yes. We need to hang the SNPU-130 under the fuselage and two UPK-23-250 under the wings.

Quote: Ovsigovets

MOGs on trucks will cover more

If you look at the statistics of MTF operations, both ours and the Nazis', the number of kills is a pittance. A sheer waste of resources. But the Yak-130 can fly hundreds of kilometers, follow a target designation, catch up with a drone, adjust speed, tail it, shoot it like a shooting gallery, and then move on to the next one.

Quote: Ovsigovets

It turns out that only 30 Jacobs will decide

No. The Yak-130 is simply one of many elements of a well-organized air defense system. Which, by the way, even if it operates perfectly, won't achieve a 100% kill rate, but it will certainly significantly exceed current levels.

[Ovsigovets]

Now that we've finished our pubescent fantasies, looked at the world without rose-colored glasses and all that, and remembered how things will really be.

[Netl]

Quote: Ovsigovets

looked at the world without rose-colored glasses and all that

This is from the series, we used to go to the toilet past the urinal, so we shouldn’t start doing it correctly!

It would take a bit of brainpower to do that! Horrible!

[Ovsigovets]

While you're here perfecting your fine art and elegant forms, nothing's happening... I suggest you take the lead and show us HOW it should be done. In reality, everything works the way it does, and you can, of course, march around here with banners against everything bad and for everything good, but it won't change anything... and it's not a matter of brains... And we're certainly for it, but no))))

[Panin (midshipman)]

Quote: Ovsigovets

Well, and the main thing is PILOTS... where we will take a lot and at once... I will add A LOT OF PILOTS AT ONCE...

Russia has plenty of retired civil aviation pilots over 45. Mobilization? Yes, if necessary. There aren't any significant overloads there, so even 50-year-olds can handle it.

[Ovsigovets]

Where are there no G-forces? Seriously???? And train these 50-year-olds, or rather retrain and further train them? No, it's certainly not like training a cadet, but still... You have it all so easy, I'm surprised you're not president yet... And yes, of course, this needs to be done, but don't tell me fairy tales about how it's done in a jiffy, and that building/upgrading the required number of Yak-130s and training/retraining pilots for them is faster/easier/more reliable than churning out MOGs on trucks and training operators for them.

[Mister X]

Quote: Netl

A Yak 130, suitably equipped, would be ideal!

This is a modernized combat version of the Yak-130M with the BRLS-130R.
There are only a few experimental samples so far.
There are approximately 100 basic Yak-130 units in service.
Zvezda Channel claims that some of them are already being deployed to patrol border areas to intercept drones.
Presumably, these are the Belgorod, Kursk, Voronezh and Bryansk regions, as well as the Krasnodar Territory.

To destroy large drones, S-8L missiles with a homing head are being tested as a cheaper replacement for the R-73.

The Iranian Air Force also operates Yak-130s.
During military exercises, the Iranian Air Force practiced a two-stage hunting scheme: a heavy MiG-29 fighter would detect a target with its powerful radar and guide a Yak-130 to the desired target.
The Yak-130 crew carried out visual and thermal acquisition, after which they successfully destroyed the target drone using R-73 missiles.

This means that the basic Yak-130 can effectively combat large drones either in tandem with the MiG-29 or by receiving precise target designation from ground-based radars.

[Netl]

Quote: Mister X

either in tandem with the MiG-29, or receive precise target designation from ground-based radars

Or from AWACS aircraft, which is the most effective.
This is exactly how a proper anti-drone air defense system should work. The AWACS detects and tracks the target, the Yak-130 shoots it down and moves on to the next one.

[Mister X]

Quote: Netl

Or from AWACS aircraft, which is the most effective.

I agree.
The vehicle is capable of detecting and tracking hundreds of air, sea, and ground targets simultaneously at distances of up to 650 kilometers.
But how many of them are in a state of combat readiness?

[Netl]

Quote: Mister X

How many of them are in a state of combat readiness?

Up to ten A-50s, according to various estimates. And all of them should now be used for air defense missions, IMHO. And, of course, the organizational chaos that has resulted from the A-100's reliance on imported components must be stopped.

Restore our own production of AWACS, albeit with somewhat inferior characteristics.

[Ovsigovets]

Oh, and now, in addition to the Yak-130 production and pilot training, we've also come up with the idea of ​​restoring the production of AWACS aircraft. Oh, my God, it's a piece of cake, we'll get it done in a week.

[Netl]

Quote: Ovsigovets

I came to restore the production of AWACS aircraft))))) Oh my God, it's a piece of cake

You're not reading carefully. It says that the first priority is to properly organize the use of existing aircraft. And this alone will have a huge positive effect.

Restoring production is the future. Clearly, Russia absolutely needs an AWACS, and not just for destroying drones that fly over terrain and are difficult to detect by ground-based systems.

[Ovsigovets]

Okay, okay... We're all for everything good, against everything bad... The only thing left is a small matter... Now, in about three years, we'll bring all your plans to life, and once we win, we'll win. But for now, let the enemy fly and hit. We don't need these ZAKs. It's just so old-fashioned and downright ugly.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Netl

But flying up and calmly shooting from close range with a 30 mm gun is only possible on your own territory.

Isn't the caliber too large for such a purpose? What difference does it make what caliber you hit it with? Whether it's a 5,45 or a 30, the result is the same.

[Netl]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

At least 5,45 or 30 if it's a butt

Range plays a role. Ukrainian Nazi drones can carry 200 kg or more of explosives.

And you need to be able to inflict enough damage on a drone while still being safe in case it gets blown up.

[Atlas]

And for drone debris to fall on their cities

[PROXOR]

So, should we just let Lutiy drones continue to explode on our oil refineries, residential buildings, and factories? Are you even reading yourselves when you write this nonsense?

[helilelik]

These systems won't be deployed en masse anywhere unless the Ministry of Defense commissioned their development. They're not even adopting the Yolka missile system. They've already come up with the excuse that they won't protect against a swarm, so they're not needed.

[Alekseev]

Quote: Netl

Considering that the effective range of the 30mm ZAK is about 2 km

Yes, the range is important, but for relatively slow drones, 2 km is normal.
The article lacks key information: AI is good, but what kind of ammunition does this system fire?
Projectiles with remote detonation are required, otherwise the anti-aircraft missile system will not be effective enough, especially against small targets.
In general, the combined use of electronic warfare with lasers, interceptor drones, MANPADS (SAMs), and canister guns at the last line of defense will produce results.

[Cool90]

It's not clear what they were shooting with, but they were shooting effectively.

[2al]

It is clear that there is no remote detonation, although it is obvious that the system is equipped with a laser rangefinder, judging by the range indication on the sighting grid. According to media reports, a projectile with a laser pulse detonation was announced back in 2020.

[Cool90]

But they were effective at the same time. There's a video where a flying KA-52 shot down a drone from 1,5 km away with a single shot from its 2A42 cannon.

[2al]

Unfortunately, Starlink allows drone operators to effectively employ explosive missiles by using target illumination or AWACS-based target designators. It's only a matter of time before attack drones begin to employ explosive missiles en masse.

[Cool90]

Starlink does not allow the UAV operator to effectively use explosive missiles using target illumination or using the target control with AWACS

It's a matter of time, but Starlink won't help here.

Worship of the West clouds the mind; soon people like you will be saying that the sun rises in the morning because of Starlink.

[Neutral Neutral]

So, Starlink is disabled over Russia? Or is this no problem for Starlink?

[Cool90]

So the Ka-52 is an air carrier with a cannon (there's a video online of a Ka-52 shooting down 25 drones in two sorties, and shooting them down with a cannon)
and the bulk of drones are shot down by air defenses long before they reach vulnerable targets

and this system is installed not at the facility itself, but at the approaches to the facility

[Netl]

Quote: Kull90

So the Ka-52 is an air carrier with a cannon.

You're absolutely right; shooting down drones with airborne cannons is the most optimal approach. Targeted air defense is a deeply outdated concept.

However, the Ka-52 is a heavily armored helicopter, very expensive to produce and operate, and its capabilities are vastly overkill for this mission. A simpler, less expensive aircraft would suffice, equipped with a 30mm cannon. This aircraft would receive target designation from our AWACS, fly toward enemy drones, and engage them with its cannon from a safe location. This type of air defense system is optimal against drones and cruise missiles that fly along terrain and are therefore difficult to detect by ground-based radar and optical systems.

[Cool90]

Ka-52 pilots also need to train and accumulate flight time, and when a Ka-52 shoots down 25 drones in two cannon sorties, it's cheap.

If you attach a gun and a guidance system to a cheap plane, it will no longer be cheap.

[Netl]

Quote: Kull90

Ka-52 pilots also need to train

Overall, the Ka-52 could certainly continue to be used in this capacity (for training). However, training is very expensive (wasting valuable equipment) and not very high-quality, since the Ka-52's cannon requires training to engage complex ground targets, not light airborne ones.

Quote: Kull90

such an airplane will no longer be cheap

And you're absolutely right about that. An aircraft will certainly become more expensive after even light armament is added, but the cost of such a flight will nonetheless remain the cheapest (and extremely effective) way to shoot down such drones.

[Last centurion]

Heh, let's work on miniaturization! Let's go with a smartgun, like the one Vasquez had in "Aliens"! All you need is a microcomputer like the Orange Pie 5 Pro, an AK barrel drive relative to some kind of frame, and that "three-piece" cartridge. Then you can even carry the FPV... (well, a little bit of (key word) sci-fi wouldn't hurt for now).

[novel66]

Moreover, the smart gun was made from MG-3, there is somewhere to get it

[old rats]

I'm wondering where the 57mm "Derivation" ZAK disappeared to?
At the time, he was praised as very promising.
The larger the caliber, the more useful it can be built into the projectile.
Why wasn't it put into production? Is there any information?

[Pankrat25]

into the projectile, which means that anything useful can be built in.

In Russia, all this useful stuff that could be inserted isn't produced. Active sanctions began, and everyone forgot about it...

[qQQQ]

Quote: old rats

Why wasn't it put into production? Is there any information?

In my opinion, they couldn't come up with a cheap, reliable programmable fuse. Without it, the ZAS derivative is at the level of the 60s.

[Cool90]

They were able to do it on 30 mm, but they couldn't do it on 57 mm. It's likely that while the SVO is ongoing, the factories won't stop the conveyor belt.

[Ivan_Sergeev]

Oh, come on, all these "derivations," where the hell are the Shilkas? They've churned out thousands of them. Install a new radar and you'll have the perfect drone-killing device.

[Ivan№One]

Where the hell are the Shilkas? They churned out thousands of them.

We know in warehouses

"The number of issued, pcs.
about 6500"
Half of them should have remained on the territory of the Russian Federation.

[Izotovp]

You might as well remember the "Hell's Thresher"! It's no longer a question of caliber. A 12,7mm caliber is enough for UAVs. It's a question of detection/acquisition/targeting...

[qQQQ]

Quote: Ivan№One

Half of them should have remained on the territory of the Russian Federation.

It seems to me that we sold and disposed of things in the 2000s even more than Ukraine. Until 22, and even after, our elites still strive to join the "brotherly" family of Western nations. I'm afraid we don't have much left. Not even as scrap metal.

[Alex Starley]

I think I read that the manufacturer has slapped a 200 million price tag on the charging machine, which is enough to buy several Iskanders. It seems the Ministry of Defense doesn't see the need to buy such a thing right now.

[PN]

What if a crow flies past? Will the thermal imaging camera detect it, or will the AI ​​filter it out?

[Volodin]

Quote: PN

What if a crow flies past? Will the thermal imaging camera detect it, or will the AI ​​filter it out?

Verified. The AI ​​doesn't target crows or other creatures.

[Apis1962]

The system's characteristics include: target detection/acquisition range, maximum altitude, and economics: cost of one shot and the number of shots required to hit a target, response speed.

[Volodin]

Quote: Apis1962

The system's characteristics include: target detection/acquisition range, maximum altitude, and economics: cost of one shot and the number of shots required to hit a target, response speed.

Calculation coordinates, commanders' call signs, AI programming codes))

There will be, there will be characteristics, but later.

[faiver]

That's how it all happened with us later - communism came later, interest on MMM shares came later, 1000 domestic airliners came later, in our country later it's the equivalent of the word never...

[Siberian 66]

The system's characteristics include: target detection/acquisition range, maximum altitude, and economics: cost of one shot and the number of shots required to hit a target, response speed.
Whoever gives the correct answer will go to prison for 10 years!

[hector]

Quote: Sibiryak 66

Whoever gives the correct answer will go to prison for 10 years!

Not a given. It will depend on the chair occupied and membership.

[PROXOR]

Factories, oil refineries, residential buildings, and finally LIVING PEOPLE will clearly be more expensive!!!!

[alexboguslavski]

Footage of a new domestically produced 30mm anti-aircraft artillery system in action has appeared online.

This is most likely an upgraded BM-30-D "Spitsa" combat module. This is a remotely controlled combat module that can be mounted on various chassis. It enables surveillance, search, and attack of ground or air targets at ranges of up to 2 km.

The Spitsa's firepower is based on a 30mm 2A42 automatic cannon, capable of firing both single shots and variable-rate bursts. Its ammunition complement includes high-explosive fragmentation, armor-piercing tracer, and incendiary rounds, allowing it to effectively engage a wide range of targets.

Thanks to its versatility and high firepower, the BM-30-D "Spitsa" can be mounted on a variety of platforms, including armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles, and even fixed firing positions, significantly enhancing their combat potential. The module is easy to maintain and operate, making it a reliable and effective tool in modern combat.

[tlauicol]

Still no air burst from 30mm shells?

[novel66]

No, but they won’t even make a grapeshot shell, at least.

[audigamma]

How could it not? It's undergoing testing. And apparently even at the SVO.

[novel66]

The projectile is small, the gun needs to be modified, but the grapeshot works just fine.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: novel xnumx

They won't even make a grapeshot shell

We have canister shot! It's a 9-A-1611 multi-segment projectile for aircraft cannons! A 23mm projectile of the same type is also available! These projectiles are inexpensive because they are equipped with simple remote fuses! With a laser rangefinder and a ballistic computer, these projectiles can be quite effective against drones! Especially since Russia has plenty of ZU-23-2 and ZSU-23-4 mounts!

[Alexey Lantukh]

Moreover, there are enough ZU-23-2 and ZSU-23-4 installations in Russia!

I highly doubt it's enough. At least, LBS doesn't say so.

[2al]

There was a very shortage of ammunition for them; the shells were sold en masse from warehouses for export and disposed of due to the presence of non-ferrous metal in them.

[Konnick]

Quote: novel xnumx

No, but they won’t even make a grapeshot shell, at least.

Soviet 30mm ME aircraft projectile for GSh-6-30 aircraft cannons, equipped with 7.62mm pistol bullets as striking elements

[nikolas 83]

They tested remote-detonating projectiles on helicopters like the Ka-52. There was even a video.

[Cool90]

There was news about a 30mm airburst projectile for the 2A72 cannon, but it's not suitable for the 2A42, or vice versa.

[bbb]

Commendably, less than five years have passed since the beginning of the SVO.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Hooray ...

With the scaling up of production of such systems, the situation with countering enemy UAVs may change significantly.

It won't just change, it will be a turning point in the SVO!!!

It has finally dawned on the commanders and officers that drones should be countered not by mobile air defense systems with crews inside, but by remotely controlled air defense systems. I hope that someday the Air Defense Forces will also get the Pantsir-SMD, that is, a remotely controlled air defense system!!!

[Netl]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

and remotely controlled ZAK

It would be better if they were fully automated, controlled solely by AI. Then we could modernize a bunch of old anti-aircraft guns without requiring a huge number of operators.

[RUSSR]

Everything is developing very quickly. Soon we'll need to make similar autoturrets for ground targets, since foot robots will be coming.

[Seneca]

AI rules, !!!!, build towers with anti-aircraft guns with AI guidance

[utyutkin]

Just make sure these Zaks don't shoot down their own automatically controlled planes as usual :(

[Mikhail Nasharashev]

What do you mean, "as usual"? How many of our own planes were shot down "as usual"?

[Cool90]

How do Kuwaitis treat Americans?

[senima56]

Great! Now we're waiting for "large-scale production." I hope that this equipment will actually be supplied to the Army en masse, but not in single copies for parades and exhibitions!

[Mikhail Nasharashev]

In short, it clicks like nuts, but why are the oil refineries burning then?

[Dym71]

Quote: Mikhail Nasharashev

Why are the oil refineries burning then?

They are poorly located; all the oil refineries should be located beyond the Urals.

[Mikhail Nasharashev]

There's not enough money to relocate

[Dym71]

Quote: Mikhail Nasharashev

There's not enough money to relocate

However, if you put it further away, you will take it closer.

[Mikhail Nasharashev]

I agree. But I think it's only a matter of time before we can develop a UAV with a range of 2-4 km. We need our tanks at enemy airfields.

[hector]

Quote: Mikhail Nasharashev

In short, it clicks like nuts, but why are the oil refineries burning then?

He is alone and there are many oil refineries, he can’t get to them all.

[faiver]

Beautiful pictures are good, but today there is a need for at least a thousand such systems...

[Samoyed]

Let's take a facility several hundred hectares in size. Say 500. That's (5 x 1) km. Then the perimeter is 12 km. For each SAC, overlapping the adjacent ones, the area is 2 km. Then six of them would cover a sizeable oil refinery. And a couple more mobile ones, for rapid response in all sorts of "emergency" situations... Roughly, but 1000 of them would cover 6 huge facilities! And the cost is incomparable to the yacht of, say, the "Abramovich."

[cast iron]

What caliber is it? What kind of artillery system is it?

[hector]

Quote: cast iron

What caliber is it? What kind of artillery system is it?

Would you at least like to read the title?

[cast iron]

Would you at least like to read the title?

Did you read the article? It's unclear what was firing at the drones. Where did you get the information that it was 30mm? Nobody knows anything, but they confidently say 30mm in the article.

[Yuriy77]

And once again, an old problem, carefully swept under the rug, is coming to light: a projectile with a programmable detonation timer. Either try to shoot down a UAV with a direct hit or with a directed stream of projectile fragments...