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You need twice as much money. Released 20 trillion on rearmament of the army and navy is clearly not enough

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Currently, the strategic target for the future is the requirement of the Decree of the President of the Russian Federation of 7 May 2012 of the year No. 603 to equip the Armed Forces, other troops, military formations and bodies with modern weapons, military and special equipment, bringing their share to 2020 by the year of 70 percent. We publish the opinion on the prioritization of plans for re-equipment of the Armed Forces for the coming years.


Superiority in rearmament given strategic nuclear forces (SNF). It is planned to increase the number of carriers of nuclear weapons to 700 units, as permitted by the START-3 Treaty, to improve nuclear warheads and ballistic missile defense systems.

Particular attention is also paid to those areas where there is the greatest lag. These are precision weapons, means of reconnaissance, target designation, navigation, communications, automation of command and control, network-centric warfare, robotization. The task was to create the country's aerospace defense, as well as to modernize the Ground Forces and the Navy.

Priorities

The task of reliably protecting the SNF from a surprise attack is paramount, since with their destruction Russia cannot avoid catastrophic defeat and loss of state sovereignty. Only SNFs that are safe will provide time to create an innovative economy, as well as complete rearmament of the army.


You need twice as much money. Released 20 trillion on rearmament of the army and navy is clearly not enoughArmament and tactics of the Armed Forces are primarily determined by the enemy with which you will have to fight. According to a number of specialists, the most likely geopolitical opponent of modern Russia is NATO led by the United States. The latter are interested in the elimination of the Russian strategic nuclear forces, since they are the only ones in the world capable of destroying the United States in the first strike.

There is an opinion that the goals that face the US and Russian armed forces are diametrically opposed. Unlike the United States, we do not have the task of destroying the enemy’s nuclear forces at the first strike. First, Russia has no goal, like the United States, to become a world hegemon to control the Earth’s natural resources. Secondly, such a blow would be tantamount to suicide: we do not have protection against a reciprocal nuclear missile strike, since there is no territorial missile defense. Since the creation of nuclear weapons in the USSR, the USA has been preparing for a first strike with nuclear charges to destroy the SNF.

In 2003, Washington adopted the concept of a fast global strike, which involves a one-shot strike with several thousands of precision-guided munitions against a target country. The task is to destroy strategic facilities: the infrastructure and forces of the SNF, command centers of government and the army, and power plants. The most likely target country is Russia. The Russian strategic nuclear forces are the main obstacle for the United States, which does not allow to subjugate all countries with the help of military force, to take control of the Earth’s natural resources and regulate the population of the Earth in the national interest. The United States is creating a missile defense system, which is one of the elements of defense, not attack. During the first global strike against the Russian strategic nuclear forces, it is likely that some strategic missiles will remain combat-ready, and an American missile defense system will be created to neutralize them.

The only thing that can force Washington to refrain from a surprise attack on the Russian strategic nuclear forces is a guaranteed, unacceptable for the United States nuclear missile attack on national territory. Therefore, at least part of these forces (according to world experience - about 30 percent) must be reliably protected from any means of attack: ballistic and cruise missiles, hypersonic spacecraft with nuclear charges. A guaranteed reciprocal nuclear missile strike virtually eliminates an attack on us by a state with nuclear weapons and posing the main threat.

Possible scenarios

An attack on Russia can also occur when the war is regional in nature (for example, the conflict with Georgia on the 2008 of the year) and the use of strategic or tactical nuclear weapons is impractical.

If a country is attacking with nuclear weapons, then the war will eventually be fought with all types of available weapons. This type of war requires modern, efficient aircraft capable of waging war with strategic and tactical nuclear as well as non-nuclear weapons.

The US attack on Russia with the use of nuclear weapons in the foreseeable future is very likely, since we do not have reliably protected strategic nuclear forces necessary for a guaranteed retaliatory strike. A nuclear disparity formed as a result of the US withdrawal from the ABM Treaty: US missiles and other strategic facilities are protected, while Russian ones are not. For the first time since the start of the nuclear race, Washington is getting a chance to reliably cover the Russian strategic potential with a missile defense system and an arsenal of high-precision cruise missiles in conjunction with electronic jamming. According to experts, the sudden strike of 50 – 60 with sea-based nuclear cruise missiles could disrupt the counterattack of Russia's strategic forces.

Thus, in most cases, the Achilles' heel of the Russian defense is the lack of reliable protection against attack by at least some of the strategic nuclear forces required for a guaranteed retaliatory strike. The solution to this problem should be the priority number 1 in the plans of re-equipment of the Armed Forces for the coming years. Such a reliably protected “nuclear umbrella” will allow Russia to modernize the economy, taking into account the fifth and sixth technological orders, create armed forces capable of protecting the country from any aggressor, and raise the quality and standard of living of the population.

From East and West

On Earth, after 10 – 15, for years, many natural resources (some metals, water, oil) will become scarce. On the territory of Russia is about one third of the natural resources of the planet, in the struggle for which a world war can begin.

Currently, the western war machine is advancing towards our borders. The armed forces of NATO are significantly superior to the Russian Armed Forces. So, the alliance currently has 11 in Europe tank, 22 armored fighting vehicles (BBMs), 788 combat aircraft, 3621 attack helicopters. Russia accordingly owns 1085 tanks, 3660 BBM, 7690 aircraft and 1542 helicopters. The United States deployed 365 land and sea-based ballistic missiles, as well as strategic bombers with nuclear warheads (excluding British and French missiles), and Russia has 792 nuclear weapons carriers. NATO has more than half of modern military equipment, and we have about ten percent. In the field of control, reconnaissance, navigation, communications, electronic warfare, the alliance is many times superior to Russia.

In the east, near our borders is a huge country - China with a population of 1300 million people, which is almost ten times more than in Russia. Over the past 30, Chinese GDP has grown at an annual rate of ten percent. The PRC has taken the second place in the world in terms of the economy, its military industry launches more combat aircraft per year than all NATO countries (including the United States), and more tanks than all the countries in the world combined. The success of the Middle Kingdom in economic development is mainly determined by the use of planned market management methods. But the demographic situation of modern China is complex. According to UN estimates, the stable internal situation of this country is possible with a population of no more than 750 millions. Several hundreds of millions of Chinese have a low standard of living and are looking to work in other countries, including Russia.

Today, China is a natural strategic ally of Russia against the United States, since the latter consider us and the PRC to be their geopolitical rivals, hindering the creation of a unipolar world. American military experts write about this: "The United States will soon be able to destroy the long-range nuclear potentials of Russia and China by first striking cruise missiles with nuclear warheads that are invisible to Russian and Chinese radars."

The analysis of the geopolitical situation confirms the conclusions regarding the need to improve and reliably protect the SNF from a sudden strike by ballistic and cruise missiles, attacks from space, and also regarding the creation of effective aircrafts, including the Ground Forces, without which it is impossible to wage war to defend or seize territory .

Offers

Currently, the government allocated 2020 trillions of rubles to re-equip the Armed Forces to 20. According to the former chief of the General Staff Yury Baluevsky, to create full-fledged aircraft by the deadline, it is necessary to spend not 20, but 40 trillions of rubles. According to experts, the HPV-2020 cannot be implemented with funds released by the state within the framework of the established decision-making mechanism. Including due to the accepted practice of choosing between different weapon systems and programs based on an analysis of the ratio of their cost and effectiveness.

Russia has the opportunity to double defense spending. We list some sources of these funds. Only about 40 percent of oil and gas rent falls into the state budget (in Norway - 80). Hundreds of billions of dollars have been accumulated in the Reserve Fund and the National Wealth Fund. Since 1991, over two trillion dollars have been shipped abroad. Corruption takes approximately 300 billion dollars annually from the Russian economy. The shadow part of the economy is about 40 percent. Everyone who works there, and this is 20 million people, do not pay taxes, taxes in Russia are paid only 42 million people. More than half of Russian property is registered offshore, which reduces taxes to the state budget. Russia invests dollars for the export of natural resources at two to three percent in valuable foreign securities, while Russian enterprises and banks abroad receive loans at six to eight percent. As a result of this kind of operations, Russia loses up to 100 billions of dollars annually. Taxes on the rich should be increased from 13 to 45 percent, as do many countries (Germany, China, France).

State budget revenues in 2012 are equal to 400 billions of dollars, and the cost of Russian defense in the same year - 65, USA - over 600, China - about 120, NATO bloc spends 850 billions on defense in the year. The number of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation is one million, NATO is about three million, and China is 2,2 million.

The economic potential of our country is incommensurable with the economic potential and defense expenditures of the countries of the NATO bloc, so it is impossible to create equal armed forces. But Russia's security can be ensured if at least part of the SNF is reliably protected from a rapid global strike in order to deliver a guaranteed retaliatory strike against the aggressor. For this, it is necessary to improve the protection of submarines, mines, special vehicles in which nuclear missiles are located, and also to create new ways to protect the strategic nuclear forces.

For example, place mobile nuclear-missile complexes in underground tunnels, as China does, and on railway platforms, as the USSR did. The first step to strengthen the defense of the SNF from a sudden attack of ballistic and cruise missiles is to use the existing and manufactured air defense systems (C-400, C-500, Buk-M2E, Pantsir-S1), and Tor submarines. (Submarines), standing at the piers, with nuclear missiles, underground mines with rockets and areas for patrolling vehicles with Topol and Yars. Submarines with nuclear missiles in the seas and oceans are difficult to detect and destroy. To solve this problem, the United States is intensively developing a system for detecting and destroying submarines; therefore, their patrol zone (in coastal waters) needs reliable protection.

To solve the problem of creating combat-ready armed forces to protect the country from any aggressor, it is necessary to increase the military budget. Obviously, with an increase in defense spending, the state budget must be doubled to no less than double. To do this, first of all, we need to move from the liberal-monetarist system of economic management, which was created in Russia in 90-s with the help of foreign experts to turn the country into a raw materials appendage of the West, to a planned market management system. This will allow to modernize production and create an innovative economy, raise the quality and standard of living of the population and re-equip the Armed Forces qualitatively.
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  1. Artmark
    Artmark 22 May 2013 15: 53
    35
    If you didn’t steal it would be enough! request
    1. elmir15
      elmir15 22 May 2013 16: 05
      41
      Right.
      You need twice as much money. Released 20 trillion on rearmament of the army and navy is clearly not enough
      Yes, at least four more, until the thieves of the embezzlement of embezzlers took the money for the army, they would go away like a black hole and only a small part would reach the addressee.
      1. patline
        patline 22 May 2013 16: 24
        23
        Thieves in casemates, beggars from thieves - get out of power.
        And the fact that you can get more money from the sale of oil and gas to the budget is the right idea, and the gold and currency fund should become a gold fund (return currency - empty candy wrappers to the Western market, having bought plants, factories, machine tools, technologies for them).
        1. zvereok
          zvereok 22 May 2013 16: 32
          10
          Quote: patline
          the foreign exchange fund should become - the gold fund (currency - empty candy wrappers to return to the western market, having bought plants, factories, machine tools, technologies for them).


          More precisely - that they will sell from the above, and gold for the rest. Leave small amounts of candy wrappers to secure the corporate sector.
        2. Ataman
          Ataman 22 May 2013 17: 32
          +6
          It is impossible to wait until Kolokoltsov fills the casemates. Based on the prevailing conditions, the priorities in the article are correct. In this regard, the idea of ​​the revival of the DBC is encouraging.
          1. Hudo
            Hudo 22 May 2013 20: 25
            +1
            Quote: Ataman
            In this regard, the idea of ​​the revival of the DBC is encouraging.


            Joy is when the BZHRK stand on the DB, and the idea of ​​rebirth of the BZHK is only hope. sad
      2. Yves762
        Yves762 22 May 2013 20: 43
        +5
        You need twice as much money. Released 20 trillion on rearmament of the army and navy is clearly not enough
        . am IMHO something like this:
    2. evgenii67
      evgenii67 22 May 2013 16: 26
      12
      Hello everyone!
      Quote: ArtMark
      If you didn’t steal it would be enough!
      that's right to the point. We have somehow got used to hearing more about how much was stolen or how much hz "disappeared". where, rather than, "entered service ..." (I do not mean, for example, 3 Yak-130 will not explain why) And it seems that there are culprits, for example Serdyuk, but they don't sit on the bunk, why ???? About 20 trillion rubles a loaf of 8 trillion rubles in 20 years. This does not mean that after the 20th year they will not spend money on the army. 20trn.r is more than $ 600 billion in 8 years, for example 1 our fighter costs $ 50-70 million, a tank is about $ 3-5 million. Now let's look at another question, our enterprises have not been able to fulfill the order on time for some year, part of the order is postponed to the next year, etc. what 40 trn.r (probably in order to build 2 times more summer cottages) you need strict control over the spending of budget funds and a clear procurement plan quarterly (well, or generally monthly)
    3. Joker
      Joker 22 May 2013 16: 27
      13
      Interesting comments Esaula, what is great and terrible doing in this area? When will we fight corruption? Ato is only words and words, and even if it is the case, no one returns the money back and the fate of the plunderers is unknown. There was so much news, never a property was seized or planted, they simply state a fact. In Ryazan, a billion dollars were stolen at a construction site, who stole it is unknown, no one is going to return the money. It is time to get such freaks for ass and to be shot with the complete confiscation of all the property of both him and relatives of all up to the tenth generation.
      1. vadson
        vadson 22 May 2013 22: 08
        0
        Well, with relatives, especially until the tenth knee you bent
        1. Joker
          Joker 22 May 2013 23: 41
          0
          Why not? They brought him up, so let him be responsible for his actions, and he let his tolkushku thinks to take bribes or not thereby thereby substituting all of his relatives, in my opinion a great incentive.
      2. Don
        Don 23 May 2013 15: 17
        0
        Quote: Joker
        -In Ryazan, they stole a billion dollars at a construction site, who stole it is unknown, no one is going to return the money

        Do you yourself believe in this nonsense? In Ryazan, they built 5 stadiums and stole everything up to a penny?
        Quote: Joker
        It's time for your ass to grab such freaks and to be shot

        So what? Corruption will not? I doubt it very much. China is a prime example.
    4. Manager
      Manager 22 May 2013 17: 09
      +1
      Quote: ArtMark
      If you didn’t steal it would be enough!


      Recalled the voice acting from one famous old strategy game!
      - We need more gold than my lord--.
    5. AndreyAB
      AndreyAB 22 May 2013 17: 41
      +2
      it’s for sure that they will shock the stools and the company - so maybe a new one is enough for the aircraft carrier.
      1. Joker
        Joker 22 May 2013 18: 42
        +4
        so maybe the new aircraft carrier is enough.

        There, rearming the entire army will be enough once 10.
    6. Army1
      Army1 22 May 2013 18: 53
      +2
      Again these fears about thousands of tomahawks, what kind of nonsense, I agree they can attack us if we do not have an army with air defense, a fleet, nothing at all. To produce a sufficiently powerful salvo, all the ships of the US Navy, all long-range aviation, and all the IBRs need to be refitted with precision ammunition, the fleet and aviation have, it remains for the IBR. But in the current state, the US economy cannot withstand even such two wars: Afghanistan and Iraq (they left the latter), if this can be called wars. + to this a psychological factor, + the Russian army, ground forces, which have an arsenal sufficient not only to eliminate the invasion, but to prepare a surprise for potential "friends." I regard all articles like us or a NATO soldier on Red Square, I regard as unfinished stories of science fiction writers of the times Cold War.
      1. DeerIvanovich
        DeerIvanovich 22 May 2013 19: 50
        +1
        Quote: Army1
        To produce a sufficiently powerful salvo, you need all the ships of the U.S. Navy, all long-range aviation, and equip all mbrs with high-precision ammunition
        as if they don’t have high-precision weapons
        1. Army1
          Army1 22 May 2013 21: 15
          -1
          Quote: DeerIvanovich
          as if they don’t have high-precision weapons

          I meant to equip the mbr with high precision. The fleet and aviation are equipped, but if they launch an MBR with the WTO, then the SPR will inform and we can shy away from nuclear weapons in response.
      2. Nick
        Nick 22 May 2013 22: 10
        +1
        Quote: Army1
        Again, these fears about thousands of tomahawks, what kind of nonsense, I agree they can attack us if we do not have an army with air defense, with a fleet, nothing at all. To produce a sufficiently powerful salvo, you need all the ships of the U.S. Navy, all long-range aviation, and all mbr

        The author claims that 50-60 nuclear charges are needed to prevent a retaliatory strike from Russian strategic nuclear forces. But this IMHO is too little. NATO members estimate our air defense efficiency at 60-80% in the event of a massive air attack. For guaranteed destruction of an object, at least two missiles are needed, but taking into account the effectiveness of air defense, perhaps four. This is if the PU mine is now about 130, and if the launcher is mobile? And there are 260 of them. But what about the SSBN? There are 8 units and each has dozens of warheads. And 45 aerial strategic missile carriers, each of which can wipe out a small state ...
        In a word, I believe that NATO is not yet capable of destroying Russia's strategic nuclear forces "imperceptibly" ...
        1. Don
          Don 23 May 2013 15: 06
          0
          Totally agree with you.
          Quote: Nick
          But what about the SSBN? There are 8 units and each has dozens of warheads.

          Why 8? In my opinion, there are only 14.
    7. Gluxar_
      Gluxar_ 22 May 2013 23: 32
      +1
      Quote: ArtMark
      If you didn’t steal it would be enough!

      And that's enough. Article full cal. Fat minus from me.
      Typically all polymers are spilled. Analysis at the level of "swamp brochures".

      In essence. US strategic nuclear forces are in decline and there is no program for their modernization. The military budgets of the EU and US countries are reduced, the economies of these states are under pressure. It is impossible to cover the territory of the Russian Federation with a missile strike, the range of missile defense is also small and the system itself is not operational. Regarding the potential of the sun, the calculations are false. The same tanks, only one RF has more than all NATO countries, and given that the main striking force of NATO is overseas, NATO will have serious problems in the European theater of operations. The potential of the SCO and CSTO is not taken into account. It does not take into account the fact that NATO is on the verge of collapse, and France and Germany no longer see the future of this structure, moreover, European grants do not want and will not fight against Russia, they have too many interests in our country.

      Further. The main threat to the United States and Europe is not Russia, but China. It is these blocs that are beginning to compete for African resources. and if Europe has a chance to negotiate an alliance with Russia, then the US has no choice. hence the reorientation of all the power of the United States to the APR. Accordingly, the balance of power not only changes dramatically, but also simply turns against the "hegemon."

      Regarding financing. Only typical can say that 20 trillion is not enough. And immediately they give the figure 2 times more, not 30%, not 300%, but simply 2 times more. All polymers stolen.

      Minus article. Cheap provocation, drive such from this resource.
      1. Don
        Don 23 May 2013 15: 15
        0
        Quote: Gluxar_
        missile defense range is also small

        I agree. Despite the fact that ICBMs will fly through the North Pole, and what kind of missile defense is there in the United States.
        And how to block the SSBN?
        Quote: Gluxar_
        The same tanks, only one RF has more than all NATO countries, and given that the main striking force of NATO is overseas

        Where the author of this 12000 tanks counted only in Europe, and in the Russian Federation, according to his calculations, only 300 helicopters. Yes, only Mi-8 610. The data was invented along the way by the author himself.
        Quote: Gluxar_
        Minus article. Cheap provocation, drive such from this resource.

        I totally agree.
    8. Reasonable, 2,3
      Reasonable, 2,3 23 May 2013 08: 41
      +1
      Europe will not climb on us. They have learned through bitter experience, and they depend on us for the same resources, they definitely don’t need it. And only crazy or dumb fight against Russia .......
  2. Sokol57
    Sokol57 22 May 2013 15: 56
    12
    From such as Serdyukov, take away property and sell it. And the proceeds are for the needs of the defense industry.
    1. zvereok
      zvereok 22 May 2013 16: 34
      +2
      Illegal migrants for uranium mining, for forging a nuclear shield.
  3. Orik
    Orik 22 May 2013 15: 58
    13
    I can’t assess how much is needed, Baluyevsky knows better about the rearmament of the army, but there is no doubt that the modernization of the army and the industrialization of the country should be carried out by expropriating the loot over the past 25 years.
    1. 0251
      0251 22 May 2013 16: 45
      +3
      Russia has the opportunity to double defense spending. We list some sources of these funds. Only about 40 percent of oil and gas rent falls into the state budget (in Norway - 80). Hundreds of billions of dollars have been accumulated in the Reserve Fund and the National Wealth Fund. Since 1991, over two trillion dollars have been shipped abroad. Corruption takes approximately 300 billion dollars annually from the Russian economy. The shadow part of the economy is about 40 percent. Everyone who works there, and this is 20 million people, do not pay taxes, taxes in Russia are paid only 42 million people. More than half of Russian property is registered offshore, which reduces taxes to the state budget. Russia invests dollars for the export of natural resources at two to three percent in valuable foreign securities, while Russian enterprises and banks abroad receive loans at six to eight percent. As a result of this kind of operations, Russia loses up to 100 billions of dollars annually. Taxes on the rich should be increased from 13 to 45 percent, as do many countries (Germany, China, France).
      It is this way out of this situation that can solve the problems of financing the Russian Armed Forces.
      1. Tektor
        Tektor 22 May 2013 23: 30
        0
        I have the most unpleasant news for you: "The budget does not have the promised 20 trillion rubles." Unfortunately. For them to appear, economic growth is needed, at least 7% per year !!! And what do we actually have today? About 3%. Therefore, the main task is to ensure economic growth. We need specific, non-trivial solutions. Need a brainstorming session in the government, or where are our analytical departments? It's time to give out something "light".
        1. Marconi41
          Marconi41 23 May 2013 03: 37
          0
          For the attack you need attack aircraft! And where to get something?
      2. Don
        Don 23 May 2013 16: 09
        0
        I don’t even know what to call your writings, nonsense or just nonsense.
        For example, how did you calculate this?
        Quote: 0251
        Corruption takes away about 300 billion dollars annually from the Russian economy.

        Why? The budget of the Russian Federation? What does the economy mean? What takes away? That is, the official took a bribe for the sale of land in the suburbs and what, the money from the sale did not go to the budget?
        Quote: 0251
        The shadow part of the economy is about 40 percent. Everyone who works there, and this is 20 million people, does not pay taxes, only 42 million people pay taxes in Russia.

        Again it is not clear how it is calculated and by whom? You? laughing
        Quote: 0251
        More than half of Russian property is registered in offshore companies, which reduces taxes to the state budget.

        I don’t know what to call it. You yourself paradox in what you wrote do not see? Again, what is Russian property? Public or private? Do you know what offshore is? There you can register a company, not property. And if the Chelyabinsk Metallurgical Plant, for example, is owned by Mechel Corporation, this does not mean that it is located in Cyprus and does not pay taxes in the Russian Federation.
        Quote: 0251
        Dollars for the export of natural resources Russia invests at two to three percent in foreign securities, and Russian enterprises and banks abroad receive loans at six to eight percent.

        1. Do you pay for the rest of the export not in Russian dollars?
        2. For securities and a bank loan, there should not be the same percentage, and the point is not in the percentage, but in the number of purchased securities, on which the Russian Federation pays each year, and this money goes to the budget.
        3. Banks of the Russian Federation take loans from other banks?
        4. What difference does it make to whom a private corporation takes a loan? The vast majority of companies take loans in the domestic markets from Russian banks.
        Quote: 0251
        As a result of such operations, Russia loses annually up to $ 100 billion.

        Again the numbers from the ceiling. Your RF is some kind of corporation direct.
        Before you write about the economy, learn it.
  4. leon-iv
    leon-iv 22 May 2013 16: 03
    +4
    So, the alliance currently has in Europe 11 624 tanks, 22 788 armored fighting vehicles (BBMs), 3621 combat aircraft, 1085 attack helicopters. Russia accordingly owns 3660 tanks, 7690 BBMs, 1542 aircraft and 365 helicopters. The United States deployed 792 land and sea-based ballistic missiles, as well as strategic bombers with nuclear warheads (excluding British and French missiles), and Russia has 492 nuclear weapons carriers.

    did not read further
    Bundes 248 tanks
    Angles 256 tanks
    + some training value + a small reserve.
    And now the question is how many new media amers put on the database in 2012?
    1. USNik
      USNik 22 May 2013 16: 45
      +9
      "People mixed up in a heap, horses and engaged in lewdness" (c)
      As usual, THEIR counted the equipment on the DB + all in storage, and US ONLY on combat duty. In general, uncles run out of money, but for about (l) the teaching of offspring in the English institutes must pay, and that's asking for money. hi
      1. Joker
        Joker 22 May 2013 16: 49
        +7
        He himself was surprised, like 12 with something thousands of tanks only, and the army, if we all go to war, just to have enough weapons for everyone.
    2. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 22 May 2013 18: 04
      0
      Quote: leon-iv
      how many new carriers did amers put on the database in 2012?

      And why would they put them if they are interested in cutting them?
      Amer will bet on hyper rockets and drones
      According to the article, there are enough 60 missiles with apples to suppress our potential, well, + a few thousand in the usual version
    3. Don
      Don 23 May 2013 16: 12
      0
      Quote: leon-iv
      Bundes 248 tanks

      Actually 1300, but this is in Germany, and most of the NATO countries have no 300.
  5. leon-iv
    leon-iv 22 May 2013 16: 05
    +9
    since we do not have reliably protected strategic nuclear forces

    wow where did they go?
    1. Joker
      Joker 22 May 2013 16: 16
      +3
      And there, all the bases of the SNF are known to the enemy thanks to the restructuring and the discharge of everything. It is necessary to strengthen the air defense system, modernize the strategic nuclear forces, build submarines with nuclear weapons so that the retaliatory strike is not intercepted.
      1. leon-iv
        leon-iv 22 May 2013 16: 38
        11
        KO hints that
        on START-3, the enemy knows
        1 silos
        2 Places of patrol of Topley and Yars, but who said that if they are threatened, they will creep into the forests that you will find FIG. Yes, and now rocketeers favorite book is a chart of the passage of satellites.
        Need to strengthen air defense

        Fig yourself who else in the world is buying the stock of air defense systems?
        upgrade strategic nuclear forces

        Um, I don’t even know how to comment on this. How many Yars have already been delivered?
        build submarines with nuclear weapons

        so 3 955 projects will be rolled out 10
        1. Joker
          Joker 22 May 2013 16: 48
          +1
          Well, great, but then I really started to worry hi Somewhere I saw a video about the project of bottom-based mines with nuclear weapons, such as in the lakes at the depth of the mine can be done and run from there, like the Chinese are doing so.
          1. leon-iv
            leon-iv 22 May 2013 16: 52
            +1
            like the Chinese do it.

            the Chinese have not yet fully mastered encapsulation.
            1. Joker
              Joker 22 May 2013 17: 08
              +1
              Do ours do this?
              1. leon-iv
                leon-iv 22 May 2013 17: 14
                +1
                Why is this a perversion?
                1. Joker
                  Joker 22 May 2013 17: 17
                  +1
                  For conspiracy, and the water will cover at least a little if that.
                  1. leon-iv
                    leon-iv 22 May 2013 18: 41
                    0
                    and the water will cover at least a little if that.

                    it current will degrade the durability of the media.
      2. Don
        Don 23 May 2013 16: 18
        0
        Quote: Joker
        Need to strengthen air defense,

        Maybe missile defense? And in your opinion, the purchase of the S-400 and the development of the S-500 is not a fortification?
        Quote: Joker
        upgrade strategic nuclear forces

        And in your opinion, the purchase of new Topol-M, Yars, SSBN Boreev is not an improvement in strategic nuclear forces?
        Quote: Joker
        build submarines with nuclear weapons

        What they do.
        Quote: Joker
        so that the retaliatory strike is not intercepted.

        He will not be intercepted now.
  6. Mr. Truth
    Mr. Truth 22 May 2013 16: 07
    +7
    This money is enough to create adequate aircraft. It is just necessary to sift through the state defense order, enlarge or consolidate some OCDs, and abandon weapons systems with dubious effectiveness.
    And the main thing is not to scare anyone with a NATO bloc or a PLA. No need to chase the West, you can create effective forces without raping your economy.
  7. k220150
    k220150 22 May 2013 16: 10
    +9
    I hope you don’t think that "some unknown thieves are sneaking in the night" and they have money in their bags. One million rubles in hundred-ruble bills weighs about 15 kg, billion 15 tons. If you steal a bottle of port for two, you will get 7 years each (a real case), steal several billions and damage the security of the country - one under house arrest to write love lyrics flowing with girlish juice, the other is free, witness, there is no evidence (to shoot Enough, but to plant no, no, because when they say that we do not have 37, it means there is no fulfillment of the law). And so "everything is fine, beautiful marquise, everything is fine, everything is fine." 20 is not 40, less will be stolen.
    1. zvereok
      zvereok 22 May 2013 16: 39
      +1
      I don't remember exactly, but it seems that one witness in the defenskrvis case has already been removed: "A 47-year-old witness to the embezzlement case at the Ministry of Defense suddenly died of cardiac arrest."
  8. Manager
    Manager 22 May 2013 16: 18
    +3
    Of course! 20 trillion these are just kickbacks. Now we need 20 trillion for rearmament.
    1. leon-iv
      leon-iv 22 May 2013 16: 39
      +3
      You personally thought about 20 trillion kickbacks?
      In all that comes this is an illusion caused by a lack of alcohol in the blood.
      1. Manager
        Manager 22 May 2013 17: 45
        0
        Quote: leon-iv
        You personally thought about 20 trillion kickbacks?


        Maybe you personally thought?
        1. leon-iv
          leon-iv 22 May 2013 17: 50
          +2
          I can’t count up to 20 trl wassat getting lost
          So there with kickbacks here recently the Yak-130 recently took off a new one. For kickbacks, well then, I'm for such kickbacks.
    2. Corsair
      Corsair 23 May 2013 05: 24
      0
      Quote: Manager
      Of course! 20 trillion these are just kickbacks. Now we need 20 trillion for rearmament.

      A fabulously rich country, Russia: They plunder, plunder, but they cannot plunder! And ideally, you need to put an edge to embezzlement, but only who will do it ???
  9. zvereok
    zvereok 22 May 2013 16: 20
    +6
    There was a story with Ivanov, who for three years watched the theft in GLONASS, steadfastly restrained hostility when communicating with thieves, but was afraid to scare them away. This story did not teach anyone anything. Because today the German experts called the cost of the Zenith stadium "Bad joke". The most expensive stadium in the world, which, according to the initial estimate, cost 500 million rubles, and now has cost one billion euros. But what do the Stadium, which was not built by the Glonas group, have in common, which, by the way, is also not brought to mind and has grown in price several times ?:
    "
    On January 25, Zenit’s CEO Maxim Mitrofanov admitted that teams could not build the stadium on time and that he was seriously concerned about this situation.

    A week before Head of the Kremlin Administration Sergey Ivanov assured that the construction of the stadium will not be stopped and will be completed by the 2018 World Cup of the year.
    "

    By the way, the same interview with Ivanov. You can start neighing somewhere in the middle: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvBbgRaA6MI
    1. Don
      Don 23 May 2013 16: 41
      0
      Quote: zvereok
      Because today the German experts called the cost of the Zenith stadium "Bad joke". The most expensive stadium in the world, which, according to the initial estimate, cost 500 million rubles, and now has cost one billion euros.

      I can’t understand where you find this nonsense?
      Initially, the cost was 6,7 billion rubles ($ 250 million), then it grew to $ 500 million, which is NORMAL. Initially, the Donbass Arena was counted as $ 250 million, then it grew to 400 million and spent another 70 million on the park. This is the Donbass Arena for 51000 people, and the Zenith Arena for 70000 people. Could the stadium in St. Petersburg initially cost $ 20 million, as you write.
  10. elmir15
    elmir15 22 May 2013 16: 30
    +8
    the Achilles heel of the Russian defense is the lack of reliable protection against attack by at least part of the strategic nuclear forces required for a guaranteed retaliatory strike

    There have been solutions to the problem for a long time: the revival of the BRZhK, to increase the patrol area of ​​mobile poplar complexes throughout the country, the introduction of a new project - the placement of bottom deep ballistic missiles on the seabed adjacent to Russia, the strengthening of air defense over the launch silos of the S-400 and S-500 complexes in the future , the revival of the "perimeter" ("Dead Hand") system, many others. The main thing is to have political will.
    1. leon-iv
      leon-iv 22 May 2013 16: 50
      +4
      revival

      you controversial some rocketeers for others not.
      increase patrol area of ​​poplar mobile complexes across the country

      as long as it is limited to START-3, the nudge will creep in advance.
      , the introduction of a new project - the deployment of deep bottom ballistic missiles at the bottom of the seas adjacent to Russia

      This is fierce nonsense of news.
      strengthening air defense over launch mines complexes

      Silos have their own protection methods
      revival of the "perimeter" system

      KO hints that she has always been. Now the 3rd generation is being introduced.
      1. elmir15
        elmir15 22 May 2013 22: 29
        +2
        Quote: leon-iv
        , the introduction of a new project - the deployment of deep bottom ballistic missiles at the bottom of the seas adjacent to Russia
        This is fierce nonsense of news.

        Regarding this news, here's where I read it: http://www.arms-expo.ru/049057054048124051049055055049.html It seems a reputable site
  11. Komodo
    Komodo 22 May 2013 16: 32
    +8
    People! I give out a fact: during the construction of enterprises for the development of the uranium deposit in 2008-2011, enough money was spent in order to build the exact same second deposit nearby. This is a fact. And I was, God forgive me, a witness and participant in this action.
    Eliminate the corruption component, here you have a doubling. More precisely, halving costs.
    The same story with roads. And in all that the state undertakes - the same story.
    Asking for money is just a commonplace DIVORCE. It is enough to calculate the REAL cost. Most likely, for these 20 trillion rubles, it is possible, as in all other state projects, to make products twice as much.
    1. zvereok
      zvereok 22 May 2013 16: 43
      +2
      Hehe. We have elections in the city now in four months, so despite))) that the money has been allocated, the roads are being repaired. Tver was less fortunate - they allocated money there, but the roads as they were broken, including the city itself, remained. The election is not coming soon. But our former governor, in which the Minister of Finance of the Moscow Region, dumped abroad, taking budget money with him, is now sitting in the Council of Federations. What they themselves will advise with Icicle I’m afraid to imagine.
  12. WIN969
    WIN969 22 May 2013 16: 32
    +4
    Little money, because there is a lot of corruption!
  13. seller trucks
    seller trucks 22 May 2013 16: 36
    +4
    > The task of reliable protection of strategic nuclear forces from a surprise attack is the most important

    the most important thing is that the SVR does not oversleep, and we need to keep an eye on our "Fifth Column", they have been getting loose lately
  14. sanyabasik
    sanyabasik 22 May 2013 16: 38
    +2
    This is only in the joke about the weevil: - We sow 1000 hectares and let it choke.
    Our officials will not choke - they will cut it no matter how much they give. And they will be few ...
  15. Tylerdurden
    Tylerdurden 22 May 2013 16: 40
    +1
    I don’t understand one moment. But don’t we have Voronezh-type radars that register the launch of nuclear missiles, calculate the trajectory and when approaching our country poplars and yars will fly from our mines. Moreover, our mines are not protected and not they can withstand the impact of American warheads. Why then do we need Voronezh’s dash, don-2 in Moscow, why?
    1. leon-iv
      leon-iv 22 May 2013 17: 15
      0
      this is called SPRN and we have it and covers the most dangerous areas
      We also have ZGRLS but this is not part of the SPRN
  16. Nitup
    Nitup 22 May 2013 16: 49
    +4
    In order to destroy the strategic nuclear forces in the first strike, they still need to be discovered by all. Well, with the mines it’s clear. A mobile Poplars with Yars? They go on duty from the bases with the onset of night, when there are no satellite satellites of the enemy above them. And by the time they are discovered, they are already being replaced. Yes, and submarines to find in the ocean is not so simple, especially the new generation.
  17. nikolas 83
    nikolas 83 22 May 2013 16: 51
    +5
    I don’t think that the United States will risk a nuclear strike against Russia, they will also be destroyed .. We still have something to answer. Their current missile defense is not perfect and nobody took into account the characteristics of our missiles.
  18. il grand casino
    il grand casino 22 May 2013 17: 01
    +2
    "If I fall asleep, but wake up in a hundred years and they ask me what is happening in Russia now, I will answer: they drink and steal" - Saltykov-Shchedrin. If we steal as we do, then 100 trillion is not enough.
  19. kmike
    kmike 22 May 2013 17: 03
    0
    For people like Serdyukov, a betrayal of the Motherland, for life, with confiscation, the article should be brought to all civil servants under the signature. This, at least, needs to be done.
  20. pahom54
    pahom54 22 May 2013 17: 11
    +1
    While stealing, no money is enough.
    And additional income can be found very simply: to monopolize the production and sale of tobacco and alcoholic beverages; with this money in the USSR they not only contained the army, but also science, medicine, education and much more.
    But when a couple of ministers in the square cut off their hands and set them free, maybe others will think about it.
    In short - we need Vanka the Terrible with his guardsmen, and there will be order.
    1. il grand casino
      il grand casino 22 May 2013 17: 21
      0
      The question is whether the whole society is ready for such executions. Now the time is a little different, and we have lost the habit of such power. The Chinese or Koreans are easier in this regard - the mentality is different. I think it’s worthwhile to start with the rest)))
    2. k220150
      k220150 22 May 2013 17: 49
      -1
      Well, probably ... is it? Some kind of "Vanka-terrible", be a decent person, if possible, and do not carry ... y.
  21. Strashila
    Strashila 22 May 2013 17: 18
    0
    It is necessary to invest in pharmacology ... pills for greed are very necessary.
  22. Rats
    Rats 22 May 2013 17: 23
    0
    It is necessary that the "Perimeter" system, or, as the Americans called it, "Dead Hand", should function first. Then the probability of an attack on us will be lower, and the probability of a retaliatory strike will be higher.
  23. Ivan Tarasov
    Ivan Tarasov 22 May 2013 17: 26
    0
    It is necessary not only to allocate money, but also to remove the intermediaries, then the purchase price will be reduced by 40-60 percent.
  24. AleksUkr
    AleksUkr 22 May 2013 17: 27
    +4
    FROM THE ARTICLE: "The number of the RF Armed Forces is one million people, NATO - about three million, China - 2,2 million."

    And who told you that our army has 1 million people? Taburetkin? He said a lot more.

    According to the State Duma, in 2012 the real strength of the Russian Armed Forces was approximately 800 thousand people. (If not less)

    "The head of the Russian presidential administration, a former defense minister, Sergei Ivanov, believes that the size of the Russian army must reach a million people, otherwise it will be dangerous for the country." (Means not yet reached)
    WE READ:
    And in the spring and in the fall of 2012, about 150 thousand people were drafted into the army, in the fall of 2011 even less - 135 thousand. That is, conscription officers in the army are no more than 300 thousand. The number of officers is estimated at around 200 thousand, they usually even call the numbers below, and contract employees also have a maximum of 200 thousand. Thus, according to the most optimistic estimates, the number of the Russian army by the beginning of 2013 did not exceed 700 thousand people.

    But if you believe what GDP said on the show with the people: And Vladimir Putin assured the Russians that everything would be fine. That everything is fine in our country, officials will definitely improve, taxes and rents will decrease, salaries will increase, and roads will be repaired, adoptive families will be equated with large families, the school uniform will appear on September 1, the nation will recover, and demographics will grow. Let it be so.

    And we must believe the guarantee, although not obligated ...
  25. Vtel
    Vtel 22 May 2013 17: 30
    +1
    You need twice as much money. Released 20 trillion on rearmament of the army and navy is clearly not enough

    So if you think about it: 10 lemons will be stolen, 5 lemons will be "given away" for lectures, there will be 5 lemons left for everything - it will not be enough, we will not pull. Roofing felts more than lemon saplings to sow, so that they spike, roofing felts stealing brothers in power on bunks - so where to get so many of them - bunks, and it's a pity, even though they are thieves, but in fact brothers-in-law.
    Sayings on GDP:
    "In the environment of Anatoly Borisovich, as it turned out today, staff members of the US CIA worked as advisers ..."
    As for Rusnano, which is currently headed by Chubais, then, according to VVP, there are holes, but this is "not a crime."
    He touched upon the GDP and the sensational case of Oboronservis:
    "This case will be brought to an end, but this does not mean at all that for political reasons, in order to look beautiful, we must put them (the cat knows whose fish it has eaten) behind bars at any cost. We do not need to return to this gloomy period of 37. If they are guilty, they will be punished (by imprisonment in palaces, with a gold bracelet on their legs). And if not guilty, then this must be said clearly and understandably (where is it clearer) "- it is clear that it is not guilty, there can be no two opinions moget.
    He emphasized that if Vasilyeva - (a statue of liberty in New Russian) does not interfere, being at liberty, conducting an investigation and regularly(military discipline, however) happens during interrogation by an investigator, then "so be it", well, where do you see lawlessness here - this is democracy in action, and our courts are judged by the law and by an invisible hand.
  26. individual
    individual 22 May 2013 18: 05
    +1
    To have enough let go 20 trillion to rearm the army and navy, it is necessary to reorganize the government:
    a) appoint Primakov Prime Minister;
    b) -: -: -: -: - Chairman of the Central Bank Gerashchenko;
    c) -: -: -: -: - by the Minister of Finance Glazyev;
    d) -: -: -: -: - Minister of Industry Maslyukov;
    e) untie the hands of the chairman of the Accounts Chamber Stepashin.
    And the bold will be delivered point.
    1. Nitup
      Nitup 22 May 2013 18: 32
      +1
      Quote: individ
      Chairman of the Central Bank Gerashchenko;

      What the hell Gerashchenko, what are you talking about? Putin kicked out this representative of the world behind the scenes to get him back now?
  27. kobussubok
    kobussubok 22 May 2013 18: 07
    0
    The article is absolutely correct! And, as it is written in the first comments, yes, and the article itself is mentioned, you must first plant all the thieves who drag our money over the hill ... and then you can increase the cost of the defense!
  28. Sergey47
    Sergey47 22 May 2013 18: 09
    +4
    Only the nationalization of strategic sectors of the economy. Nationalization of the so-called "elites". And the military junta for 30 years. To grow up a new generation. To behave like the DPRK, to send everyone to a well-known address, and the death penalty for treason to the Motherland, and to cut malachite to Kolyma instead of the budget.
    1. kobussubok
      kobussubok 22 May 2013 18: 14
      +1
      I agree, Sergey!
  29. kobussubok
    kobussubok 22 May 2013 18: 13
    +2
    And in general, now there is only one hope for Shoigu! So many years in power and not a single "jamb"! Let us believe that he will put things in order and contribute to the speedy "recovery" of the Army! May God grant that in the future his name will be associated with the great commander-reformer, and not with the merchant-speculator ...!
  30. sonik-007
    sonik-007 22 May 2013 18: 19
    +1
    Quote: ArtMark
    Today, China is Russia's natural strategic ally against the United States


    Complete nonsense. We have no allies except Belarus. CIS countries practically do not count.
    China is one of the main opponents. The fact that they are not climbing into geopolitics nowadays only means that they save time for the growth of their economy and military power.

    Surely not many people know that such a "phenomenon" as stratagems [in short: long-term planning of strategy / tactics with tricks and gimmicks] is used in China at all levels, incl. diplomatic, political, military and even domestic. Daily. Coupled with a huge supply of human resources and a crisis in these resources (poor / little space), it is very likely that a quiet China is just a temporary phenomenon - if tomorrow they start confrontation with us, I would not be surprised.

    Quote: zvereok
    invisible to Russian and Chinese radars


    This dear author should be omitted, because write these opuses of their own newspaper, for the sake of populism.

    Quote: ArtMark
    For example, deploy mobile nuclear missile systems in underground tunnels


    The author, are you sure that our strategic missile forces do not protect us in such a way? Where did you get such information?

    Quote: ArtMark
    To solve the problem of creating combat-ready armed forces to protect the country from any aggressor, it is necessary to increase the military budget.


    It seems that the article was written by a complete amateur. With a gross increase in the budget, you will not achieve such goals. There are numerous limitations associated with the production base, i.e. there is a limit beyond which we will not be able, for example, to build more aircraft pieces per year.
  31. viktor_ui
    viktor_ui 22 May 2013 18: 20
    0
    set a minus for the article, because I didn’t want to even argue ... BECAUSE (well, again, this is for) - the VISION appeared to me at the end of the article ... the coveted 20 year of our century ... FORBES magazine and in its rating, in the hundred of the richest world Pinocchio, at least half will be our bureaucrats from the defense ... 40 trillion drank on - YES IT'S JUST ALREADY MIRACLE SUCH THAT. I don’t want to be a holder of Gazprom shares anymore, but I want to be a shareholder from the defense industry, and most importantly how patriotic and WHAT A PERSPECTIVE. Well, how can I fall asleep here at night. There is a prospect to steal in trillions - there is!
  32. annenkov242
    annenkov242 22 May 2013 18: 29
    0
    A familiar darling of the last century, only then a person from the Politburo led these processes and always positioned on the board: lower right. Then at least credibility was composed.
    The people are kept, the soldiers of the pen, for dullness. The information that the media pours out with the whole set: corruption, which does not require evidence, smiles on the side of the article here (Serdyukov, Chubais ..), a patriot without evidence, is in prison. Every day the media savor, there 1 billion, and there 50 billion went into the moonlight, people watch. And the people watching, which went to Berlin for our sake, went through the post-war devastation only for the sake of US, is the genocide of the people, because. they look and see that they have been deceived. Children, for the sake of which they bore the hardships of the post-war life, live worse than they did in their time. Only now is information genocide, and it is not inferior to the one we used to see in reality. The oboronka is also from this series, when the wrench is from Spare parts will cost the cost of a BMK projectile, because corruption and power are written together !!!
  33. minimum
    minimum 22 May 2013 18: 29
    +2
    In Russia, terrible roads, problems in medicine, education (not even a problem, but a catastrophe), the social sphere is experiencing enormous difficulties, etc., etc., in such circumstances, doubling the budget for military purchases is, sorry, a crime. Throwing new trillions to fat cats from the military-industrial complex, which are terribly necessary in a rapidly bending science (for example), is simply absurd. 20 trillion good money, you could dance with them, but if they are used inefficiently, then this is a problem of bureaucracy and its dishonesty, and not the size of the amount. If someone doesn’t know, but Russia is a poor country with a very modest standard of living, you need to increase it, build roads, reduce mortality, etc., while purchasing weapons for the army, and not crash all the loot in the army, otherwise we just get a cultural and a social catastrophe from which we can’t get out anymore.
  34. VDV 80-82
    VDV 80-82 22 May 2013 18: 31
    +2
    it’s not very clear ... if at the moment our strategic nuclear forces are so defenseless, then why are not universal people attacking us? what are they waiting for? while we rearm or what? It would be nice to hear the opinion of the author on this issue!
  35. rpek32
    rpek32 22 May 2013 18: 35
    0
    But when the defense begins to shoot for theft of the budget, then it will be enough. It will also remain.
    1. vadson
      vadson 22 May 2013 22: 24
      0
      I don’t think that you need to shoot right away, let the Kolyma economy strengthen until the end of life, with confiscation esssstststno
  36. Best novel
    Best novel 22 May 2013 18: 35
    +2
    Did Baluevsky calculate the total amount of the house on a calculator? Or did he in Almaz-Antey, where he was by chance, a member of the board of directors, counted? He started the NSH under Ivanov, finished under Serdyukov. Two ministers who managed to destroy and redevelop everything inherited from the Soviet Army .And about the virtual money (or ways to get it soon) listed so far (and most likely forever) - so this "money" only the lazy has not yet "spent" - on roads, on medicine, and on the army, including .And to unleash a nuclear war today, only a madman like the North Korean leader is capable of - it's good that the butcher's horns are still weak.
  37. sonik-007
    sonik-007 22 May 2013 18: 42
    +1
    Quote: sonik-007
    Quote: ArtMark
    Today, China is Russia's natural strategic ally against the United States


    Complete nonsense. We have no allies except Belarus. CIS countries practically do not count.
    China is one of the main opponents. The fact that they are not climbing into geopolitics nowadays only means that they save time for the growth of their economy and military power.

    Surely not many people know that such a "phenomenon" as stratagems [in short: long-term planning of strategy / tactics with tricks and gimmicks] is used in China at all levels, incl. diplomatic, political, military and even domestic. Daily. Coupled with a huge supply of human resources and a crisis in these resources (poor / little space), it is very likely that a quiet China is just a temporary phenomenon - if tomorrow they start confrontation with us, I would not be surprised.

    Quote: zvereok
    invisible to Russian and Chinese radars


    This dear author should be omitted, because write these opuses of their own newspaper, for the sake of populism.

    Quote: ArtMark
    For example, deploy mobile nuclear missile systems in underground tunnels


    The author, are you sure that our strategic missile forces do not protect us in such a way? Where did you get such information?

    Quote: ArtMark
    To solve the problem of creating combat-ready armed forces to protect the country from any aggressor, it is necessary to increase the military budget.


    It seems that the article was written by a complete amateur. With a gross increase in the budget, you will not achieve such goals. There are numerous limitations associated with the production base, i.e. there is a limit beyond which we will not be able, for example, to build more aircraft pieces per year.



    Quote: elmir15
    According to experts, a sudden strike by 50-60 sea-based nuclear cruise missiles could thwart a counterattack by Russia's strategic forces.


    So, on a note, the author of the article, with modern intelligence technologies and intelligence networks (SVR, GRU, AWACS) SURROUND attack is impossible!
    I repeat - the author is a complete amateur.
  38. rpek32
    rpek32 22 May 2013 18: 44
    +2
    And how is the "Dead Hand" system doing? well, which kickback starts anyway?
    1. sonik-007
      sonik-007 22 May 2013 18: 48
      0
      I suppose on combat duty. Rather, not in combat, but in standby mode. Someone wrote that version 3 is being developed / implemented.
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  40. bulvas
    bulvas 22 May 2013 18: 49
    +5
    It is hard to believe that Europe will want a nuclear war at hand
  41. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 22 May 2013 19: 02
    +4
    How much money is needed for the army? Twice as much as they give! But this is still not enough ... It was such a speech that the chief hunter of the tribe held at the bonfire half a million years ago, pitifully showing the leader the broken handle of a stone ax laughing
    There is no amount that the army would consider sufficient. And this is deeply true, because the business of the army is to protect its country as much as possible. How much do not throw money for it - there will always be something that can be done, bought, remade again. The question is fundamentally incorrect, therefore, it is simply impossible to answer normally. The question should be posed this way - how much can we allocate to the army? Will this amount bring the economy? And then there’s nothing to protect that look ... Will the amount turn out to be so small that this economy will be taken away from us and again there will be nobody to protect? So you have to somehow maneuver in this range of regulation.
    A clever article on this subject, excuse me, is also impossible. There is a lot of data that you do not need to openly print. And this will not be an article but a system analysis work, detailed and boring to a pig screech ...
    1. bulvas
      bulvas 22 May 2013 19: 35
      +2
      Quote: Mikhail3
      A clever article on this subject, excuse me, is also impossible. There is a lot of data that you do not need to openly print. And this will not be an article but a system analysis work, detailed and boring to a pig screech ...


      ... and where to find an uninterested author who writes an article impartially ...
  42. place
    place 22 May 2013 19: 08
    +1
    Less debts would be forgiven, Kyrgyzstan and Korea, in addition, Chechnya eats a lot and a lot of thieves, and no one was responsible for the theft from the defense of the service .....
  43. Quartermaster
    Quartermaster 22 May 2013 19: 17
    +1
    The main thing is that all the money reach the army.
  44. djon3volta
    djon3volta 22 May 2013 19: 45
    +1
    The only thing that can make Washington refrain from a surprise attack on the Russian strategic nuclear forces is a guaranteed, unacceptable for the United States retaliatory nuclear strike on national territory.

    The United States already knows that Russian ballistic missiles are aimed at America, and theirs at Russia. So there will be no sudden attack, if only in the thoughts of any paranoids like McCain and Romney. For a long time they will not sit in the bunker, the pupil will end up crawling to the surface. and then what? Will they go live in Australia or away from radiation?
    and where does the author of the article offer to take money? when some already understand that Russia does not have a printing press like the United States to stamp empty money and buy weapons from itself !!! only the USSR could afford it, print rubles in the country, and buy weapons for the same rubles. closed system, water cycle in nature.
  45. tank64rus
    tank64rus 22 May 2013 19: 51
    +2
    The fact is that a very large part of the people standing at the helm of the authorities are not at all interested in the defense of Russia. They have accounts, real estate, relatives, families already abroad, and here is the accumulation of initial capital. And so it has been for over twenty years. In which case you can always slam the door and hello Londongrad. In addition, if you are very concerned about the defense of Russia, then the West may not like it, and after all, everything is there. Therefore, this powerful pro-Western clan in power turned a blind eye to the "pranks" of Serdyukov and his women's battalion. And even now he will defend him to the last and not for the sake of Serdyukov himself. but for the sake of their capital placed in Western banks. Russia is a finished country for them, so why bother.
  46. ivanovbg
    ivanovbg 22 May 2013 20: 01
    +2
    Russia accordingly owns 3660 tanks ...


    Sorry, bros, but I don’t believe this very well. I thought that only the T-72 (of all modifications) is more than 5000.

    Maybe someone will say how many of them?
  47. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 22 May 2013 20: 08
    0
    Another 10-20 years and our nuclear shield will be the stone age ... we are shamelessly behind the technology and there are very few production capacities and especially professional specialists .. Now it reminds me of the beginning of 41 years .... "The armor is strong and our tanks are fast .. "We are saved again by our vast territory .. and our screams that we will tear everyone apart (which I have no doubt about) .. only losses again .." Again, our Russian Maybe. Will blow and thunder will not break out .. "a little alarmist and yet ..
  48. bulvas
    bulvas 22 May 2013 20: 17
    +2
    Probably, in the whole history, only Zhukov could put his people in the zone of influence of a nuclear explosion
    Is there really a ruler today who dares to get at least one warhead on his territory?
    Even if the probability of getting it is 1 in 10000 ...?

    Who today has the means to guarantee protection against ALL warheads that may be involved?
  49. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 22 May 2013 21: 13
    0
    Quote: bulvas
    Probably, in the whole history, only Zhukov could put his people in the zone of influence of a nuclear explosion
    Is there really a ruler today who dares to get at least one warhead on his territory?
    Even if the probability of getting it is 1 in 10000 ...?

    Who today has the means to guarantee protection against ALL warheads that may be involved?

    In Russia .. (at the expense of the territory) .. dense taiga and the ice of the Arctic ... We didn’t bomb the cities with atomic bombs .. we wanted and want to ..
  50. papas-57
    papas-57 22 May 2013 21: 33
    +1
    But we have the coolest summer residences and accounts in foreign banks with generals and former Minister of Defense Taburetkin and his company. They throw in brutes with any adversary who intended to encroach on their private property.