"Anti-Stalinism" is nothing more than a hidden form of rehabilitation of Nazism

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It is always directed against Russia, its culture and its sovereignty.

The last scandal around Gozman’s semi-hysterical statement, which declared almost the most criminal stories our country in the twentieth century is actually very useful. At least by the fact that it demonstrates: the object of attacks and hatred of people of such a political orientation is not the political structure of the country, as it was under the leadership of Stalin, but the country itself.

When these people blame the gulag, the NKVD, the troika for all the deadly sins, and shout about mass repressions, it can still somehow get past the ideological position. Although the constant articulation of the same, the constant operation of long-refuted or distorted facts in itself has long been tiring for anyone who wants to remain as impartial as possible. When they declare military counterintelligence to be a criminal organization that was engaged in the struggle against military espionage and sabotage, there are reasons to believe that this aspect of their activity does not suit the “fighters against Stalinism” - that they fought against Nazi aggression.

By the way, anti-Stalinists, perhaps, themselves do not know which of the “Mortals” they consider to be “criminal”, because three different structures had this name - counterintelligence of the People’s Commissariat of Defense (actually the most famous “Main Directorate of Counterintelligence“ Smersh ”), the counterintelligence department People's Commissariat of Internal Affairs and the counterintelligence of the naval fleet. It is possible, however, that they mean all these structures - simply because they had as their main task the fight against the agents of the aggressor.

Thus, it turns out that the main thing that does not suit the anti-Stalinists in what they call "Stalinism" is his opposition to fascism (both in the form of Hitler's Nazism, and in all other forms). And they are not satisfied with the fact that innocent people were hit by the “punitive organs”, but by the fact that those who were guilty fell under it. People of this type memorizedly call for “the trial of Stalinism,” trying to ignore the fact that society has long rejected them and treats them like ordinary street brawlers with beer cans in their hands, who in the evening “get to the bottom” to passersby.

Strictly speaking, in terms of content, the term “Stalinism” itself has a non-scientific, but a journalistic-meaningless character. The fascists are called fascists, because they themselves called themselves monarchists - because they themselves chose this name, the White Guards were the White Guards - for the same reasons. But neither Stalin nor his sympathizers called themselves Stalinists, and none of them used the term "Stalinism" itself. That is, the term itself is a kind of arbitrary fabrication of those who consider themselves to be “anti-Stalinists.”

If “anti-Stalinists” are those who are against “Stalinism”, and what “Stalinism” is, is not completely clear, then a reasonable question arises: is “anti-Stalinism” directed against all the same? Judging by what Gozman announced, - against the fight against Nazi agents. True, they are trying to conceal it, repeating what they consider "fascism" and "Stalinism" to be equally "criminal." But if “criminal Stalinism” fought against Hitlerism, then Hitlerism becomes a little less criminal. That is, the attack on "Stalinism" is actually a hidden form of rehabilitation and justification of Nazism, fascism and Hitlerism. Hidden, not only because openly trying to side with the latter, especially in Russia, is too blasphemous, but also because in the practice of Nazism there is a really embarrassing (but only embarrassing!) Their moment - its ethnic policy and genocide, among other things in relation to the ethnic group to which many of these people belong.

In fascism they are not satisfied with its ethnic orientation, in “Stalinism” - the class orientation. But since class interests are still more significant than ethnic predilections, they hate the Soviet Union more than fascist Germany, whose class policy and class essence is in many ways the embodiment of their social Darwinist ideals.

In addition to political and ideological, which should be discussed separately, anti-Stalinism has certain political and psychological reasons. First of all, it is part of personal inferiority, a kind of “monkey beginning”, protesting against humanity in man, tension and attitudes towards mobilization, which people of the Stalin epoch lived in (read more about this here). “Anti-Stalinism” is a monkey in a man, this desire to stand on all fours, it is envy of those who really stand on their feet, and an aggressive demand for everyone to fall on all fours.

But in this case more is important. “Anti-Stalinism” is first and foremost a hatred for everything that the country lived during Stalin’s leadership, for what remained of it, and the desire to destroy it all. That is, it is not only rejection or condemnation of the costs of that era and the price that had to be paid for success, namely, rejection of everything and hatred for everything, including the position that the USSR occupied in the world as a result of victory in World War II. And, like any ideological and political trend, it has various forms of manifestation. This may be the subject of a special academic analysis, but in this case and in general terms, we can distinguish three such forms, three of its historical incarnations.

The first form of anti-Stalinism is Hitlerism and Nazism itself. Of course, Hitler set as his task the general conquest of Russia, its enslavement and the destruction of its statehood and culture. But no less than he set himself the task of destroying the socio-economic system and political system that existed in the USSR, the way of life and relations between people — that is, everything that at that time could be called “Stalinism.” There are big doubts as to whether he would destroy the camps and free the “Gulag prisoners”. Although it is clear that those who were justified there (those of his supporters and agents), of course, would be released, and “honest Communists-Leninists” would have left there.

The second historical form of anti-Stalinism is not even crushing and falsification of the 20th Congress (Stalin was “accused” there, but they did not encroach upon the totality created during his time), but “anti-Stalinism” of the perestroika period, when the country's development tasks were first replaced by condemnation of its past, and then against the background of hysteria about this monopolistically imposed “condemnation”, the destruction of the economy, statehood, and positive latent patterns created in that era was carried out.

The third historical form of anti-Stalinism is the direct rule of the “anti-Stalinists” in 1990: the destruction of industry and the economy, the impoverishment of the population and the plundering of a country with human casualties several times higher than the total number of prisoners of the Gulag and a dozen and a half times the number sentenced to death by political articles for the time of Stalin's rule.

Three historical forms: Hitler, Gorbachev-Yakovlev, Chubais. In all these three incarnations, “anti-Stalinism” was directed not only against communism and socialism, but also against Russia, its culture and its sovereignty, its influence in international relations. And each time the country inflicted catastrophic damage, as well as led to a massive death of civilians.

By the way, what is anti-Stalinism in its activist nature, if not “incitement to hatred or enmity, as well as humiliation of the dignity of a person or a group of people on the basis of nationality, origin, as well as belonging to any social group, committed publicly or using mass media "? And this, by the way, is a clean item. 1 Art. 282 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. By the way, these actions are obviously carried out by an organized group of people with the use of violence (moral and informational) and often with the use of official position. And this is the second paragraph of the same article. This is what is called, for reference ...

Anti-Stalinists, long ago rejected and despised by society, make noise and scandal. But if it is impartial to analyze what anti-Stalinism is, then it turns out to be an extremely anti-human and anti-Russian oriented ideology, containing in itself attempts to rehabilitate and justify the crimes of Nazism and Hitlerism. And as a political practice - in terms of the scale of victims and destructions - inhuman and criminal policies. Finally, one must be honest and say directly: anti-Stalinism is a criminal ideology and a criminal policy.

Anti-Stalinism is criminal. And while his representatives terrorize people with impunity, delivering blows to their historical memory and historical identity and, turning their indignation away from themselves, require a "trial of Stalinism", you just need to put everything upside down, return to common sense and officially hold the trial over anti-Stalinism as a crime against humanity, having considered the question of the totality of its crimes in 1940, in the second half of 1980 and in 1990, as well as their recurrence in our time.
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  1. +17
    22 May 2013 05: 46
    thanks to the author, short and clear. The time comes for realizing the great past, and mongrels ... yes they are mongrels ... screeching, and nothing more!
    1. +11
      22 May 2013 07: 02
      This screech is directed against a great country, a great people and its great history. This is not a screech. It is an unparalleled example of meanness and desire to destroy a nation. So society must fight accordingly, and not by pretending that nothing terrible is happening.
      1. +4
        22 May 2013 13: 29
        In the USSR, for such statements, Gozman was sent to prison. Now they allow to throw mud on TV screens and the media, it is surprising that the authorities are not taking any steps ... because the central channels are under control, or can the authorities advantageously create an enemy in the person of liberals and other Western politicians and thereby push the troubles onto them? Some questions ... now you don't know who is friend and who is enemy. The USSR was destroyed, now they are trying to break up Russia into principalities. But it is difficult for the dark forces, so they are trying to knock out the "foundation" from under us, to knock out spirituality. They try to blacken churches, mosques, destroy the spirit of the victors, belittle us so that they feel guilty for Stalin's deeds, and they try in every possible way to prevent the national idea. I want the fastest revival of Russia - the empire of the borders of tsarist times or the restoration of the USSR-2.
        1. Gari
          +5
          22 May 2013 14: 29
          By the way, anti-Stalinists, perhaps, themselves do not know which of the “Mortals” they consider to be “criminal”
          It is possible, however, that they mean all these structures - simply because they had as their main task the fight against the agents of the aggressor.

          Here is the answer
          And why should they love "Smersh" - (Death to spies)
          We read the solved problems of Smersh:
          "A) the fight against espionage, sabotage, terrorist and other subversive activities of foreign intelligence in the units and institutions of the Red Army-Gozman and other rubbish;
          b) the fight against anti-Soviet elements that penetrated the units and institutions of the Red Army;
          A very necessary structure that needs to be revived in our time to fight
      2. yurta2013
        -1
        23 May 2013 06: 01
        Quote: smel
        This screech is directed against a great country, a great people and its great history.

        If you wrote this about this article, then I completely agree with you.
    2. 0
      22 May 2013 12: 10
      Bravo article! Bravo!
      Strictly speaking, in terms of content, the term “Stalinism” itself has a non-scientific, but a journalistic-meaningless character. The fascists are called fascists, because they themselves called themselves monarchists - because they themselves chose this name, the White Guards were the White Guards - for the same reasons. But neither Stalin nor his sympathizers called themselves Stalinists, and none of them used the term "Stalinism" itself. That is, the term itself is a kind of arbitrary fabrication of those who consider themselves to be “anti-Stalinists.”

      I tried to formulate this for a very long time! But now it can be learned as a definition! Bravo again!
      1. yak69
        +4
        22 May 2013 13: 47
        All these mongrels would not be scary if they did not occupy responsible posts in power. The main initiator of the "de-Stalinization" is Dimon Medvedev (he himself allowed to call himself that!). Gozman, by the way, was pushed as the head of the commission on building a civil society under the president. Fortunately, it did not pass. But another similar one passed. And svinidze is sitting in the public chamber. There are many of them in the government of the Russian Federation - dvorkovich, redhead, Lebanese, Medina, etc.
        And while they are in power, you and I will be in the position of "lowered" in our own country.
        It's time to do something about it.
  2. Belogor
    +15
    22 May 2013 05: 50
    "May everyone be rewarded according to his deeds"
    What the anti-Stalinists are capable of, the people have already felt this fully.
  3. +11
    22 May 2013 06: 05
    How do all the gozmans and "partners" from NATO want the Russians to feel guilty for the defeat of the Europe united by Nazism? They want the same thing as before - the Russian land, natural resources and monetary compensation.
    Instead, they are sometimes shown with their hand where the sleeve is sewn. Because of this, and rage.
  4. fenix57
    +5
    22 May 2013 06: 21
    It is strange why the authorities are so loyal to these very gozman, the late partners. request After all “Incitement to hatred or enmity, as well as humiliation of the dignity of a person or group of persons on the grounds of nationality, origin, as well as belonging to any social group, committed publicly or using the mass media” poses a direct threat to the security of the state!
    1. +10
      22 May 2013 06: 42
      Quote: fenix57
      It is strange why the authorities are so loyal to these very gozman, the late partners.

      Because people are indignant sitting in front of computers, and not with stones and sticks in the streets.
    2. +8
      22 May 2013 09: 03
      "It's strange why the authorities are so loyal to these ..." fenix57  Today, 06:21

      Everything is pretty simple. The modern government of Russia supports the ideology of anti-Stalinism. This is her ideology.
      Hence the conclusion - the current power of Russia, this is not the power of the people, this is the power of the oligarchs and thieves-bandits and their proteges of corrupt officials in power.
      Awareness of this by people should lead to a change of power and the return of socialist ideology in the state, the restoration of Soviet power.
      1. +3
        22 May 2013 10: 00
        Quote: vladimirZ
        Awareness of this by people should lead to a change of power and the return of socialist ideology in the state, the restoration of Soviet power.


        So then all Gozmans will have to WORK, and not receive grants for their chatter. And they can also remember other "deeds". So they will screech with fear and hatred!
        1. 0
          22 May 2013 12: 49
          In the beginning, it is necessary to bring down the US economy - that is, the dollar. Then create the conditions for changes in politics and economics. We are slowly moving towards this. GDP is a proponent of progress, like Stalin. GDP is either dumber or more difficult. Rather, the second. Stalin could maneuver. There were almost independent states. And now, all the ukraine of the Russian state under them.
      2. SASCHAmIXEEW
        0
        22 May 2013 12: 57
        I agree with you in everything !!! But when the people come to their senses !!!? When to judge awaken these ghouls?
    3. bilgesez
      0
      22 May 2013 15: 29
      it only works against the Russians. and any gozman and dog can be insulted and humiliated us because they are winners, And now we are their slaves. And with this you need to do something.
  5. servant
    +9
    22 May 2013 06: 24
    Children of traitors are looking for excuses for their ancestors .....
    1. waisson
      +3
      22 May 2013 06: 32
      spotted for sure
    2. avt
      +2
      22 May 2013 10: 21
      Quote: Servant
      Children of traitors seek excuses for their ancestors ...

      Especially when daddy, like Chubais, taught Leninism to Marxism. It’s in vain when the gozman proposed to bring the CPSU to court, no one suggested that he, under the scenario of the perestroika Georgian film, dig the body of the father’s father from the grave. Probably he squealed in. laughing
    3. yurta2013
      -1
      23 May 2013 06: 05
      Unfortunately, the children of Stalin's executioners also live among us and, of course, also cast their vote in defense of Stalinism.
  6. +1
    22 May 2013 06: 33
    There is a category of people who are against everything. They are trying to contrast themselves with society. For what? They don’t know themselves. In short, Westerners. Today they are anti-Stalinists, tomorrow they are anti-fog ..ists, etc.
    1. luka095
      +2
      22 May 2013 07: 25
      This category of people is not against, but for. First of all, for money. And for the money they will be "anti" what you please. And now they seem to have a pleasant consensus. They hate "this" country and make money on it.
    2. +2
      22 May 2013 15: 54
      ICD-10 diagnosis of dissocial personality disorder

      Personality disorder usually noticeable rude a mismatch between behavior and prevailing social norms, characterized by the following:
      heartless indifference to the feelings of others;
      a rude and persistent stance of irresponsibility and neglect of social rules and duties;
      inability to maintain relationships in the absence of difficulties in their formation;
      inability to feel guilty and benefit from life experience, especially punishment;
      pronounced tendency to blame others or put forward plausible explanations for their behaviorleading the subject to conflict with society.
      Treatment for Dissocial Personality Disorder

      About one third of all people with this disorder undergo treatment, but none of the treatments seem to be effective. Most employers make their treatment, educational establishments or law enforcementor they fall into the field of vision of therapists in connection with some other disorder.
  7. +7
    22 May 2013 06: 35
    It's time to shut up these mongrels! They are mongrel mongrels, besides a silly screech - NOTHING!
    1. +4
      22 May 2013 06: 40
      Quote from Uncle Lee
      It's time to shut up these mongrels!

      A mongrel until it gets a pendal shuts up. The last pendal was in 1945, soon a new one will have to be written out.
  8. fenix57
    +1
    22 May 2013 06: 55
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Because people are indignant sitting in front of computers, and not with stones and sticks in the streets

    The people are sitting at the computers, I agree, but the FSB ... after all, ensuring the security of the state is something that the FSB should essentially do ...
    1. +3
      22 May 2013 07: 04
      Quote: fenix57
      The people are sitting at the computers, I agree, but the FSB ..

      And what about the FSB Valera? The FSB is a tool in the hands of politicians and while politicians sit quietly and look at how people write indignant comments. The FSB is also sitting and waiting for a command, in short, everyone is sitting and waiting for something.
      But if in many cities people appeared on the streets, then politicians would not leave the TV screens and would demand urgent measures against gozman and other trash. They are only afraid of the anger of the people and nothing more hi
      1. yurta2013
        -1
        23 May 2013 06: 08
        No need to give out a bunch of rabid Stalinists for the whole people. You cannot gather people in any city more than the Communists gather at their meetings.
  9. fenix57
    +3
    22 May 2013 07: 18
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    not with stones and sticks in the streets.
    Alexander, because in this case it will be too late for politicians to do anything, because RUSSIA. And this will not be a "march" to Bolotnaya, it will
    1. lilit.193
      +2
      22 May 2013 14: 07
      Quote: fenix57
      it will not be a "march" to Bolotnaya, it will

      It will be a Russian riot. And whether it is meaningful or not, he is always merciless.
  10. +2
    22 May 2013 08: 28
    Yes sir. But for some reason, the whole gang everywhere is leading. One Fedotov is worth? And Svanidze with Mlechin?
    1. +3
      22 May 2013 08: 39
      Quote: avia12005
      But for some reason, all this gang takes leading places everywhere

      Ask the president
    2. k220150
      +2
      22 May 2013 08: 58
      This is because the fifth column is not only in the Kremlin.
  11. +2
    22 May 2013 08: 35
    Yesterday I saw a piece of the program with Mamaonov. There Gozman was offered to apologize. I do not need his apology. For me, he is a complete scoundrel, provocateur and traitor. A decent person will not give him a hand at least.
  12. +3
    22 May 2013 08: 41
    By the way, Stalin never wore these awards (see photo of the article), the artists finished painting on him, although he had these awards. And he wore only the Star of the Hero of Socialist Labor.
  13. k220150
    +4
    22 May 2013 08: 54
    Anti-Stalinism is a diagnosis of the sick, illiterate and handicapped, unable to think independently, an illustration to this thesis - Svinidza, Gozman and Alekseeva. Coming closer to understanding under what conditions and what incredible difficulty he had to solve the problem of the survival of the Russian and Soviet people, you can never say anything bad about him. "Comrade Stalin is a saint for me" - the words of Marshal Konstantin Konstantinovich (Ksaveryevich) Rokossovsky said to the bald maize in response to his proposal to write nasty things against Stalin.
  14. Perch_xnumx
    -7
    22 May 2013 08: 55
    Anti-Stalinists, long ago rejected and despised by society, make noise and scandal. But if it is impartial to analyze what anti-Stalinism is, then it turns out to be an extremely anti-human and anti-Russian oriented ideology, containing in itself attempts to rehabilitate and justify the crimes of Nazism and Hitlerism. And as a political practice - in terms of the scale of victims and destructions - inhuman and criminal policies. Finally, one must be honest and say directly: anti-Stalinism is a criminal ideology and a criminal policy.

    Well, and that Sergei Chernyakhovsky I am an anti-Stalinist, and also I am for Russia and for the people who live in it, for the people of Russia, as well as for people in Syria. I did not like Stalin and I will not love. And if you adore him so much, then tell me. Do you support him in his repressions? Who will be responsible for the innocently killed and tortured in the camps, who will be responsible for the dead and executed at the Butovo training ground. Citizens do not sit underground, say who is who, fight against the anti-Stalinists, especially the Orthodox, break up the country, then all by one the world dictatorship of perverts more easily crosses over.
    1. Perch_xnumx
      -3
      22 May 2013 09: 25
      And I also wanted to say that the so-called democrats and liberals, for the most part, are agents of America, America that sleeps and sees that it would ruin Russia to arrange a revolution, a parade of independence of individual regions, and a war against radical Islam and terrorists in Syria. All these liberals, by their very nature, goals and aspirations, are enemies of Russia and its people.
      And I also wanted to laugh heartily from those who press hard on the pros and cons, you need to crush with a word and arguments, what is written with a pen can not be cut down with an ax.
      As soon as the lovers of Stalin are not perverted, they are already accusing them of rehabilitating Nazism. What kind of rehabilitation are you in your right mind?
      http://www.ntv.ru/peredacha/Osvoboditeli/m29681/o165137/
      - Look at the movie to refresh your memory.
      1. +3
        22 May 2013 10: 18
        something, major, you often change flags ...
      2. SASCHAmIXEEW
        +3
        22 May 2013 13: 14
        perch-1 You do not know history well! Who made the Jewish revolution, who did arbitrariness, the Jews in power, who ultimately ruined the USSR-Jews from 5 collons, coupled with the CIA! By and large, the ears of Jewish Zionism stick out in any muck happening in the world, their monetary interest! EVERYWHERE !!!!! But Stalin fought against Jewry, but alas, they poisoned him!
        1. +3
          22 May 2013 13: 54
          in solidarity. in addition I will say:

          GULAG of the NKVD of the USSR in accordance with the Order of the NKVD of the USSR No. 341 of 13.08.1936/XNUMX/XNUMX:
          - Head of the Gulag - Commissioner of State Security 3rd rank Matvey Davidovich Berman
          - Deputy Head of the Gulag - Dividend Israel Izrailevich Pliner

          Hey Svanidza and Gozmans, so who destroyed the Russian people?
        2. yurta2013
          -1
          23 May 2013 06: 12
          Stalin destroyed millions of Russian people. Steeper than this stuff is hard to imagine. However, he is not a Jew.
    2. Rrv
      Rrv
      +4
      22 May 2013 10: 50
      Quote: Perch_1
      Who will be responsible for the innocently killed and tortured in the camps, who will be responsible for the dead and executed at the Butovo training ground.

      The number of innocently killed, preferably surname, please.


      fight against anti-Stalinists, especially Orthodox

      About how the church sang praises of the Nazis need to be reminded? And what about the current support for the neoliberal course?


      split up the country, then all individually, it is easier to cross the world dictatorship of perverts.

      You’ve got it famously - who doesn’t intend to eat your lies, does that country break up?

      You, my dear, if you have something against something, so for God's sake, only provide references to the primary sources - and then suddenly there are many people like me - who do not know about the innocently killed.
      And since you are probably also a believer, then please explain - where did the names of the 38 saints, canonized thanks to the "Stalinist" camps, disappear from the calendar?
      1. Perch_xnumx
        -2
        22 May 2013 15: 42
        The number of innocently killed, preferably surname, please.
        Open the synodic and read, if only for respect and not for your own laziness. You can take any name and prove guilty, I hope you do not need to say the obvious that many confessions were beaten out under torture or again a lie for you.
        About how the church sang praises of the Nazis need to be reminded? And what about the current support for the neoliberal course?
        Which church? Inside Orthodoxy, all sorts of churches in the schism are full and everyone claims to be true. Only in Russia there is only one church - the Russian Orthodox Church. There were traitors inside the church who hid with the Germans, but there was a church that was for Russia, despite the fact that Stalin did against the people inside her. So there were traitors inside the spacecraft - Vlasov and Vlasovites, cleaned the Stalin cleaned the spacecraft, Gorbatov almost finished, Rokossovsky was on the verge of execution (and this is the victory marshall beloved by many) And the tank column was equipped with his own money.
        You’ve got it famously - who doesn’t intend to eat your lies, does that country break up?

        I don’t care at all, consider whatever you want, I can live with it calmly. But what if tomorrow it turns out that those who consider Stalin antichrist are the enemies of the people and they need one.
        It’s not me who’s climbing to you, but you’re climbing to others, those that your allies in fact and America do not like, do not believe in the myth of good democracy. Those who do not like Stalin they also prove to be Nazism, a good lie. You can’t stigmatize, expose.
        And since you are probably also a believer, then please explain - where did the names of the 38 saints, canonized thanks to the "Stalinist" camps, disappear from the calendar?
        You open the synodic in Butovo. Here is another surname, surname of the confessor - Sergius Mechev - let's prove that the enemy of the people, since the Antichrist and the idol Stalin gave the green light.
        Will you prove belonging to the enemies of the people? And then who are we for you who remain with them one spirit? And keep in mind that everything you say will be recorded.
        1. Rrv
          Rrv
          +3
          22 May 2013 16: 39
          Quote: Perch_1
          Open the synodic and read, if only for respect and not for your own laziness.

          For the sake of laziness, they don’t read, you know - and respect them, and you and them, for nothing.

          You can take any name and prove guilty, I hope you do not need to say the obvious that many confessions were beaten out under torture or again a lie for you.

          Everything has already been proven without me - that's why they were convicted, but about knocking out confessions, let's get more details - where does the infa come from? From the OBS media?

          Which church? Inside Orthodoxy, all sorts of churches in the schism are full and everyone claims to be true. Only in Russia there is only one church - the Russian Orthodox Church.

          You, brother, do not zvizdi: the Russian Orthodox Church is a remake, created in 43, and your so-called "schismatics" are the same church that was under the tsar. And these are not some isolated traitors, but ALL the so-called "ROCOR". smile

          Rokossovsky was on the verge of execution (and this is the victory marshall beloved by many)

          You don’t confuse the cause with the investigation? smile

          I don’t care at all, consider whatever you want, I can live with it calmly.

          It would be all the same - I would not write my passages. At the expense of the negative attitude towards Stalin and the persecution for this - you are lying, there has never been such a thing, but there was some persecution against those who disagree with church policy.

          Those who do not like Stalin they also prove to be Nazism, a good lie.

          This is again a lie on your part: you may not love anyone, but you must answer for slander. There really is an attempt to justify fascism, but this is not a goal, but a means - I wrote about the goal above.

          Here is another surname, surname of the confessor - Sergius Mechev - let's prove that the enemy of the people, since the Antichrist and the idol Stalin gave the green light.
          Will you prove belonging to the enemies of the people? And then who are we for you who remain with them one spirit? And keep in mind that everything you say will be recorded.

          smile I repeat once again - everyone proved without me. If you think that the accusation is falsified, justify.

          And now the question: you are so worried about the "unfortunate" priests who violated, maybe bad, but the law. Tell me, the picture below doesn't remind you of anything, can't you find analogies? laughing
    3. k220150
      0
      22 May 2013 12: 43
      You do not have a mind; you lack it. I thought that such a long time no. How did you get here? Note that you are being contacted by reputable people.
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      2. yurta2013
        -1
        23 May 2013 06: 20
        Quote: k220150
        You do not have a mind; you lack it. I thought that such a long time no.

        I agree. It is hard to call Stalinists smart people.
    4. +4
      22 May 2013 13: 14
      Read, please, who, when, for what they imprisoned. Stalin was until May 1941 the secretary of the CPSU (b). In any modern organization, does the secretary decide a lot? But he was not even the General, like his last. All decisions were made by the Political Bureau. Stalin alone never made decisions and had no right to do so. I had to consult with the "internationalists" who believed that Stalin had betrayed the cause of the party. he was against the dismemberment of the country, against the world revolution brought on our tracks.
      He gained full power only in August 1941, when Tymoshenko with Zhukov, generals subordinate to him, dressed in counterintelligence and party workers from the west of the country asked ..... whether the entire Western group of our troops. With all stocks for wartime.
      Stalin, unfortunately forgave too many. Maybe expediency, or maybe circumcision in the seminary.
      But in any case, the perpetrators must be punished. At least morally. But the NSDAP trial was, but not complete. But they are afraid to make a trial over Stalin. Otherwise, ALL Western democracy will be .......... and Stalin will have to be counted among the saints.
      1. yurta2013
        -1
        23 May 2013 06: 28
        Quote: Vasya
        Stalin was until May 1941 the secretary of the CPSU (b). In any modern organization, does the secretary decide a lot? But he was not even the General, like his last. All decisions were made by the Political Bureau. Stalin alone never made decisions and had no right to do so. I had to consult with "internationalists" who considered Stalin to betray the cause of the party

        And Peter the 1st was considered a bombardier in his army (the lowest command rank in artillery). And all the most important decisions were formally carried out first by the Duma and later by the State Council. So what? This did not in the least detract from his sole power in the country. Lenin also did not have any official posts in the Communist Party, but nevertheless he was the recognized leader of both the Communist Party and the country. As for those who "betrayed the party's cause," Stalin was very good at getting rid of them with the help of the OGPU-NKVD.
  15. +4
    22 May 2013 09: 27
    I think gentlemen anti-Stalinists see the main goal as to establish in the minds the sign of equality between Nazism in Germany and the Soviet system under Stalin. The next step will be the imposition of ideas about endless justification before all who "suffered" from the USSR, and of course the final disarmament of Russia.
    1. Perch_xnumx
      -1
      22 May 2013 09: 39
      There is no and will not be such an equal sign never .
      In order to understand this, you need to look at this http://www.ntv.ru/peredacha/Osvoboditeli/m29681/o165137/
  16. +6
    22 May 2013 09: 35
    “Anti-Stalinism” is a monkey in a man, this desire to stand on all fours, it is envy of those who really stand on their feet, and an aggressive demand for everyone to fall on all fours.

    Here it is right!
    And about the tortured in camps, etc., because of the fault of the labeled person and his ilk, more people died many times throughout the former USSR. Stalin fought against the enemies of the people. tagged just destroyed people. Just go to the archive and see how many people and for which they were repressed. Look and dates that were given. Everything is there.
    1. Perch_xnumx
      -9
      22 May 2013 09: 44
      Stalin fought with the enemies of the people.

      Hey you. http://archive.martyr.ru/files/sinodik.pdf who are these - enemies of the people? Then who are we - Orthodox - enemies of the people judging by your Stalin, in which you don’t dwell on the soul. Say it directly and openly. Then we will know who our enemies are. In the end, an inglorious end awaits all the fighters, regardless of whether you have a new Stalin or not.
      1. +5
        22 May 2013 10: 55
        And when did the Poles become Orthodox?
      2. +6
        22 May 2013 13: 12
        Politeness, as I can see, is absent in your "education". And about the "God-fighters" - I read the cases of some imprisoned priests. For all, the reason for the landing was anti-Soviet agitation, calls for the overthrow of the "god-loathing" government, calls to oppose all measures taken by the authorities. So hello to the Poles.
      3. SASCHAmIXEEW
        0
        22 May 2013 13: 23
        Perch_1 - poke the dog in the fray! Learn history, in those days the Jews were in power in the Cheka, GPU, NKVD, MGB arbitrariness they were doing, these tricks, and Khrushchev, the participant of this lawlessness, hung everything on Stalin!
        1. yurta2013
          0
          23 May 2013 06: 38
          Poor Stalin. As in the old days they said: "The king is good. It's all the boyars are to blame." Wow, Dzhugashvili destroyed millions of Russian people, but forgot about the Jews. Probably the Jews gave him something to drink. From this he lost his memory. Like, "I remember here, but I don't remember here."
    2. yurta2013
      0
      23 May 2013 06: 33
      Quote: Stroibat stock
      Just go to the archive and see how many people have been repressed and for what.

      So I would go and see what to trust in everything through false articles and books of neostalinists.
      1. +2
        23 May 2013 07: 43
        I worked in the archive 3 of the year. At the head of the repository. You think I did not read the cases that I kept? laughing So go yourself.
  17. 0
    22 May 2013 09: 56
    Around the name of Stalin, there is a lot of talk, someone heard that someone said something, and very little specificity. For example, I gathered my knowledge about him, about a man who in a short time pushed the country from a sleepy agrarian to the leaders of industrial production, bit by bit from different books. Advise what you can read about him, from an adequate author, without cheers-patriotic and defeatist bounces.
    1. +3
      22 May 2013 10: 54
      Collected Works of Stalin I.V.
    2. 0
      22 May 2013 16: 28
      Read a number of works by contemporary journalist historian Elena Prudnikova, especially "Technology of the Impossible. Lenin and Stalin" Book 1 and "Technology of the Impossible. Battle for Bread" book 2.
    3. yurta2013
      0
      23 May 2013 06: 44
      Quote: bairat
      I gathered my knowledge about him, about a man who in a short time pushed the country from a sleepy agrarian to the leaders of industrial production, bit by bit from different books.

      Before reading the false Stalinist nonsense, first try to find "bit by bit" material about the pre-revolutionary Russian "sleepy agrarian" (but by no means from the Stalinist sites and articles). I think then you will understand a lot in the further history of the country.
  18. +3
    22 May 2013 10: 08
    gozmans, svanids and other fedotovs and brewers - everything is clear with them, these are the internal enemies of the Fatherland. They are and will be in one or another quantity. But I thought, you can, for example, to the President, take and make an appeal through all channels of the zombie box and say, they say, dear citizens, stop being mistaken about Stalin's personality. He was a true patriot, and everything he did was right, fair and necessary, for that was the time. In the near future, all key documents will be made public (with accurate, not fictional numbers) that cause controversy in our society, incl. and the number of so-called. repressed, convicted and sentenced to the VMN. We will put an end to the disagreement and restore historical justice! "But no ... He will never say so ... At least the current President. But he has access to all archives and documents. He has access to the TRUTH. Only he won't say it, and I don't know why ... That is why all hope is on VO and similar patriotic sites, on old people and all those who are for a just cause!
    1. yurta2013
      0
      23 May 2013 06: 51
      I hope that the current president is a smart enough person and knows the true role of Stalin in the tragedy of our country. Therefore, it is unlikely that he will side with the Stalinists, calling for a totalitarian past and representing a fairly small part of the Russian population.
  19. +3
    22 May 2013 10: 11
    How long can you hammer a concrete wall with your forehead? All the same, the country is already divided into those who are for Stalin of whom the absolute majority is evident, because if a person has brains and knows how to read and analyze, then soon he himself, and without any agitation of Stalin's supporters, will make the right choice. N the number of inadequate "human rights defenders" but these people are profoundly mentally ill and give us terrible figures about three billion executed, which in itself raises doubts about their mental abilities, the liberals of course have nothing to say about them, and the authorities in Russia are so afraid of their people that will go to any lengths to turn him into a stupid obedient, really what kind of Stalin is here, who for the first time in many years forced, here is a bloody tyrant, the Russian people are proud of themselves. That is why they try in every possible way to blacken, throw mud to compare with Hitler, etc. tell me why the city of Stalingrad, which won the greatest victory in the history of mankind, was renamed to some kind of Volgog I am glad that the name is where it comes from, you read the history of Victory at Stalingrad, you look at the map and there is some kind of Volgagrad. The Americans are in no hurry to rename the Attol Midway to Attol Muhosk, why? And because for them this name is significant and means the victory of the great American people over Japs.
    1. yurta2013
      0
      23 May 2013 06: 54
      Quote: Standard Oil
      there is N number of inadequate "human rights defenders" but these people are deeply mentally ill and give us terrible figures about three billion executed, which in itself casts doubt on their mental abilities

      Figures about 3 billion people shot make you doubt your mental health. At that time, approximately as many people lived on planet Earth.
  20. +1
    22 May 2013 10: 24
    Sensible article! The creeping revisionism of our democrats, fed by the US and the European Union, is trying to discredit our history. Unfortunately, there are very few adequate responses to these provocations in the media. And "broadcasting" Gozmanov flooded TV and radio air. I think this is the problem of our society
  21. +10
    22 May 2013 10: 34
    X O Z I Y S T V O

    When would you live in Europe
    Under Goebbels and Ribbentrop,
    Where is the european jew
    They threw it into the stove, warming the sky, -
    Then you would not argue:
    Who is worse - Hitler or Stalin?

    When would you live in Europe
    Under Goebbels and Ribbentrop,
    Where are the European fascists
    There were fluffy and scented
    In the soap factory where the beast
    They made soap from a Jew, -

    Then you would not argue:
    Who is worse - Hitler or Stalin?

    But farms luminaries
    Matured (including Jews),
    What Hitler thinks villainously
    The farm operated in a European way,
    And Stalin led in an Asian way,
    Behind Europeans is hellish.

    Who is worse - Hitler or Stalin,
    Which was opaque
    And brutally won the war
    Escaping Hitler from the country? ..
    But, blyam, farms of luminaries
    Ripening (including Jews), -

    That Hitler, defeating villainously,
    The economy would run European! ..

    Yunna Moritz
  22. VDV 80-82
    0
    22 May 2013 11: 00
    yes it’s funny just to listen to these mongrels ... their time is irrevocably gone! 80-90 years ended long ago and we understand ... that we were seriously fooled and sold for sneakers, chewing gums and other crap! Putin is still liberal with them ... he would throw this stuff out of the country ... it would become easier to breathe!
    1. SASCHAmIXEEW
      0
      22 May 2013 13: 32
      They didn’t fool us, we got into trouble and how we won’t be able to, but how many people don’t seem to leave, and the vouchers will recall the cheap electric energy and the whole collapse of the COUNTRY !!! Zhi.osionisty, we will reward you handsomely !!!!!
  23. Rrv
    Rrv
    +3
    22 May 2013 11: 26
    I repeat once again: Stalin in the minds of most citizens is the personification of order and the communist idea of ​​justice.
    Blackening Stalin, in fact, they hit on the idea of ​​a just society, thereby trying to legitimize the existence of the nomenclature-kleptocratic oligarchy - the parasitic class now in power both in Russia and in the world.

    The best confirmation of the above are the words of the redhead.

    1. Rrv
      Rrv
      +2
      22 May 2013 11: 29
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    2. yurta2013
      0
      23 May 2013 07: 03
      Quote: RRV
      Stalin in the minds of most citizens is the personification of order and the communist idea of ​​justice.

      Stalin, in the minds of most thinking citizens both in our country and around the world, is the personification of the most severe political repressions against his own people, legalized torture and concentration camps in which millions of the best representatives of the Russian and other peoples of the USSR were destroyed.
  24. Rrv
    Rrv
    0
    22 May 2013 11: 32
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  25. +8
    22 May 2013 11: 42
    It was Stalin who created such a power that they do not disintegrate, but cannot completely disintegrate. And even our defeated enemies are afraid of her. Under him there was no such moral corruption, such crime.
    Stalin is a communist. Communists say.
    Stalin is a nationalist. They say Russian nationalists.
    Stalin - scum and villain. They say scum and villains.
    Therefore, enemies, criminals, moral warbands, scum, villains are anti-Stalinists.
    PS Stalin's Russia is not the former Russia that perished along with the monarchy. But a Stalinist state without successors worthy of Stalin is doomed ... "
    De Gaulle Charles.
    It was the Russian army that released the guts from the German military machine ... "
    WINSTON CHURCHILL, from appearances 1943-1944
    "Stalin raised Russia from the ashes. He made a great power. He defeated Hitler. He saved Russia and humanity."
    A.F. Kerensky.
    "Stalin was the first among equals in the allied coalition. The post-war domestic and foreign policy of the Stalinist state is primarily due to Stalin's desire to strengthen the sovereign status of Russia, to ensure its global interests ..."
    Generalissimo Chiang Kai-shek (Taiwan, March 7, 1953).
    “The Great Leader of our people, Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin, was gone. The great power, the social power in which our people felt their own power, which they guided in their creative works and enterprises, which he consoled for many years, was abolished. "There is no area where the deep gaze of the great Leader does not penetrate ... As a man of genius, in every business he discovered what was invisible and inaccessible to the ordinary mind." (1953)
    Alexy I, Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia 1945-1970:
    “Stalin saved Russia, showed what it means to the world. Therefore, I, as an Orthodox Christian and a Russian patriot, bow low to Stalin. "
    Archbishop Luke (Voyno-Yasenetsky), canonized as a holy Russian Orthodox Church. By the way, he sat under Stalin.
    “The name of Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin, surrounded by the greatest love of all the peoples of our country, is the banner of glory, prosperity, and greatness of our Motherland. The Russian Orthodox Church prayerfully blesses the life and work of the great leader of the country and the Red Army.”
    Metropolitan Nikolai (Yarushevich).
    "The strength of the Russian people lies not in their numbers or organization, but in their ability to generate personalities of the scale of I. Stalin. In his military and political qualities, Stalin far surpasses both Churchill and Roosevelt. This is the only world politician worthy of respect. Our task is to split the Russian people so that people of Stalin's scale do not appear. "
    (Adolf Gitler)
    PPS Yes, there was a personality cult, but there was a personality!
    (Mikhail Sholokhov, Nobel Prize Laureate)
    1. yurta2013
      0
      23 May 2013 07: 09
      You will also sing "allujah" to him and "eternal summer".
  26. +1
    22 May 2013 11: 43
    One-sided "aptistalinism", the results of the Second World War, the Soviet period of the life of Russia, Russian national traditions, the multinational life of the country, etc. - are subjected by overseas sages to indiscriminate and obviously false criticism. Their agents, marginalized from the citizens of the Russian Federation, willingly or unwillingly, work on their concept (usually for money or vanity). This is the struggle of the US Empire to subordinate Russia to its interests; it is better for them that the Berezovsky, Khodorkovsky, Gusinsky, Chubais, Serdyukovs, Skrynniks, Nemtsovs, Gozmans, Vanshten, Kasyanovs, Zhukovs, Helmans, Bulk, etc., are in power in the country (the list is large); then the resources of the Russian Federation will surely serve for the benefit of the American nation and for the British, Germans, French ----.
  27. 0
    22 May 2013 11: 43
    Last Thursday at Solovyov's, Gozman almost outdid N. Mikhalkov, just with the theme of prada, patriotism ... He touched "Smersh" there too ...
    Glory to God cost. However, I was struck by the fact that so many viewers voted for Gozman ...
    Maybe I warned the whole gopk in advance?
    1. 0
      22 May 2013 12: 19
      Yes, no, Mikhalkov immediately became a leader and with a big margin .. But still it is very alarming that a lot of people voted for the gozman
      1. SASCHAmIXEEW
        0
        22 May 2013 13: 43
        And you believe these figures, yes they will draw whatever they need !!! All the media belong to the enemies of RUSSIA !!! They make people MIRROR away from reality, flatter !!!
  28. lexe
    0
    22 May 2013 11: 49
    If we discard all the husks of the left currents (Stalin was not right), then the main idea is Scientific and technological progress through a large cemetery. Well, and what shoes do not press? on straight legs then? And what in the scientific community is it not customary to question all? -if you wouldn’t reject everything there wouldn’t be science-and-so. And what is communism the iron law of human success? And then we don’t know at what stage of progress we can still have to kneel and crawl, but only skills will not ..
  29. 0
    22 May 2013 11: 52
    As a rule, the politically conflicting state of a person and the state of the present or the former is due to the presence of an overestimated self-esteem and the state of "unrecognized genius", except for situations when there are global conflicts between the entire population and the state. This gives rise to hostility and hatred from today's reality to the entire history of the country. This behavior is typical of a potentially breeding environment for traitors. They are aware of their tendency to betrayal, which is why they have a genetic fear that turns into frenzied hatred in front of those who were called to identify and suppress such people.
    1. -1
      22 May 2013 12: 09
      OH hamsters woke up! Well, yes, yes, spring.
    2. lexe
      0
      22 May 2013 12: 10
      Yes, you were already criticized. Eh to see when they cut you back and reveal you - that's for sure where the enemies of the people
      1. +1
        22 May 2013 13: 36
        Well, yes, yes, can Vasilyeva, Smetanova and Serdyukov put up monuments?
        And you’re rhetoric, dear, just in the spirit of those criticized, it’s not difficult to hang labels about enemies. It’s better to look back at your life and estimate what you have done so that our country is better, have you had time to shout and hang out at Bolotnaya?
  30. lexe
    -4
    22 May 2013 12: 19
    In 1937 what was it? Some cleaners were removed by other classic cleaners. So do not relax the fighters for the cleanliness of the ranks. Your system is rotten and you do not need anyone in it and the final will be the same for you as the whole people.
    1. SASCHAmIXEEW
      +1
      22 May 2013 13: 55
      And you, Lyaksey what will be the final? Or are you not Nashensky (albeit under our flag) And about the finale for the people, do not you crap ... Zionist crow!
      1. lexe
        -2
        22 May 2013 15: 23
        And what does Zionism have to do with it? I just think that terry nationalists and terry Stalinists are faithful servants of the Kremlin, it’s painfully audible on all sites. And I myself am a monarchist. Only the monarchy is time-tested, and everything else is crafty)
        1. 0
          22 May 2013 16: 54
          Kotova carriage to the kingdom of Aliluy drinks
        2. Rrv
          Rrv
          +2
          22 May 2013 17: 06
          Quote: Lexi
          Only the monarchy is tested by time, and everything else from the evil one)


          And how checked! laughing
  31. 0
    22 May 2013 12: 30
    Gozman is not a surname but a sentence
    1. -1
      22 May 2013 13: 20
      Stupid. Because of a surname you want to offend good people? There are hardworking Jews. There are Zionists, there are Financiers, there is, as among any people, simple.
      If you remove the hard workers, then the rest financed Hitler, and now they howl about genocide, although the Slavs have died more.
      Scientists, doctors, teachers, that for the fatherland worked and work, of course, are also hard workers, because I work inside, i.e. for the country, not for its opponents.
  32. 0
    22 May 2013 13: 06
    Article big "+", it is high time to call things and people by their proper names in the open, otherwise they muddied their brains with their multiculturalism and tolerance, and if in a decent society, p.i.d.a.r.as. that N.S. Khrushchev did not hesitate to do at the famous exhibition, then he will take his rightful place and will not appear in a decent society anymore, and if he dares to stick his head out, then chances he will not have any for communication.
  33. a
    a
    -4
    22 May 2013 13: 58
    It is not necessary to equate antistalism with the rehabilitation of fascism. The author who wrote this is simply cheating. Fascism is a great evil that has brought great suffering to our country. Stalinism is also evil. I think no less. Yes, under Stalin, we were able to defeat the Nazis. But who allowed such a situation that we were attacked? And in general, what did this satrap make from our country ???? we still disentangle his rule. and will do it for a long time. Russian tsars are not suited to this butcher in terms of the level of damage that he inflicted on the country
    1. +3
      22 May 2013 14: 08
      Learn the story. Bringing an agrarian half-ravaged country into industry leaders and creating a mighty state - is it a damage? smile
      Then the tagged was correctly awarded - the collapse of the Great Country - this is progress straight laughing
      Just compare the country before Stalin and after. Then consider where the damage is.
      1. a
        a
        -4
        22 May 2013 14: 22
        Well, yes, to fill up the country with the corpses of gratuitous labor force during industrialization, this is probably progress. to slander the army and the creative elite is probably also progress.
        Before WOSR, Russia was a patriarchal power. Almost not industrialized. But why, for some reason, everyone reckoned with her. No one in Europe could do anything without asking for the opinion of the Sovereign. And one wonders why it was necessary to ruin millions of lives for the sake of industrialization? What do we have from this industrialization now? The country is again sliding into patriarchy.
        Judging as the author of this article, then we must admit that the Decembrists were not driven by the desire for their homeland to live better, but money from abroad ..
    2. stroporez
      0
      22 May 2013 14: 21
      they attacked England, France, etc., but Shoto was not heard Schaub Churchill was poured with slops in England, but he, too, "allowed it to be such that they were attacked" .........
      Quote: uno
      we still disentangle his rule.
      if he weren’t there, then there would be nothing to slander now ...............
      1. a
        a
        -2
        22 May 2013 14: 27
        is not a fact. before Stalin, Russia who just did not attempt. from Teuton to Turks, Poles and other aggressors. however, our old survived to Stalin. so there is no convincing evidence that in the absence of Stalin our country was conquered by someone. It is likely that under a different leader, the Second World War would not have reached and there would have been no millions of victims of our Soviet people who died not in the war, but in Stalin’s dungeons
        1. Misantrop
          +2
          22 May 2013 14: 35
          Quote: uno
          It is likely that under a different leader it would not have reached the Second World War

          Decrypt. The Third Reich was focused exclusively on external expansion. And how was it necessary to prevent a war with him? Surrender or come forward as a united front? Other options as it were not visible ... request
          1. a
            a
            -4
            22 May 2013 14: 51
            and that the Third Reich was one expansionist force in history? Bonaparte also dreamed of conquering everything and everyone. I think that his 600th army for his time was no less than Hitler's. But they kicked Bonaparte. Moreover, almost without involving the civilian population. and then everyone said that Russia is a backward country. Why do you think that without Stalin we would not have expelled the Nazis? there is at least one example when the people living in Russia in some centuries did not expel someone from their lands ??
            All imperial countries are focused on expansion. Britain, Russia, Japan, China, Germany. Now is the USA. This is nothing new. But note that whatever the relationship between the various empires, the status quo remains. and I think it will be so in the future.
            as for your question directly. then I just expressed my opinion. if Stalin weren’t in power, then history could have taken a different path. including not so bloody, which she eventually went.
            1. tixon444
              +1
              22 May 2013 22: 36
              Quote: uno
              if Stalin weren’t in power, then history could have taken a different path. including not so bloody, which she eventually went.

              "History does not know the subjunctive mood" - said JV Stalin in an interview with the German writer Emil Ludwig. If only, then the men would give birth. No one is given to know how everything would have turned out, maybe there would have been immeasurably more victims. One thing is clear - as Hitler came to power, and the race began, who will. Either we are theirs, or they are us. The third was not given. We are now, in hindsight, as they say, strong, everyone imagines himself a strategist, seeing the battle from the side. And then, being in a hostile environment, there was no time to dissolve the nurse: an unwritten law inevitably had to work: whoever is not with us is against us.
        2. +3
          22 May 2013 14: 44
          "Millions of victims" laughing Forced to repeat - learn history. And Hitler would attack anyway. It was the USSR that he considered the main goal.
          1. a
            a
            -1
            22 May 2013 14: 58
            Well, he was attacked .. not the first and not the last to attack. not the fact that under another ruler we lost 27 million of our citizens
          2. a
            a
            -3
            22 May 2013 15: 05
            Quote: stock buildbat
            Forced to repeat - learn history.


            In open sources, the figure is from 11 million to more than 30 million victims of Stalinist repression. Including the executed and the dead, several million. In the USSR, such figures were not given in history lessons. Well, after all, in the USSR a lot of things were not said at all. Are you a construction battalion stock or a doctor of historical sciences? Everyone sends me to learn history, but they themselves seem to be at odds with it
            1. Misantrop
              0
              22 May 2013 15: 33
              Quote: uno
              In open sources, the figure is from 11 million to more than 30 million victims of Stalinist repression. Including the executed and the dead, several million.

              Why not billions? Millions do not sound, become familiar. Add the population of both Americas, Germany and Africa to the list of victims of Stalin. After all, the lack of help is also repression laughing
              1. yurta2013
                0
                23 May 2013 07: 21
                Quote: Misantrop
                After all, the lack of help is also repression

                Do you understand what you said?
        3. Rrv
          Rrv
          0
          22 May 2013 15: 02
          Quote: uno
          and there would be no millions of victims of our Soviet people who died not in the war, but in the Stalinist dungeons


          Kindly in more detail and with reference to the source - how many millions of victims, under what articles were convicted? Or weak? laughing
          1. a
            a
            -1
            22 May 2013 15: 20
            you understand that your question is incorrect. no one has yet been able to calculate the exact number of victims of Stalin's repression. if you want some numbers, ask the appropriate question in a search engine thread and you will get what you are looking for. there are many numbers there. moreover, still of Soviet origin. so if you want to read the numbers, go for it. this is not difficult. if the whole point of your question was in the phrase "Weak?", then I must say that this technique has long ceased to work in discussions. as a rule, it shows the lack of a person's culture of communication. and something else. but I will keep silent about this otherwise the modders will be banned :)
            1. Misantrop
              +1
              22 May 2013 15: 34
              Quote: uno
              no one has yet been able to calculate the exact number of victims of Stalinist repression

              And Yezhov and his assistants will also be included in the list of repressed?
            2. Rrv
              Rrv
              +3
              22 May 2013 15: 41
              Japanese downtown!

              Firstly, before discussing my culture of communication, if you please learn to write a personal appeal with a capital letter. smile

              Secondly, what do you mean by repression? Repression is the execution of punitive functions by the state, punishment by the verdict of a court or other legitimate body - no more and no less! Chikatilo and Pichushkin were also repressed!

              And thirdly, thanks to your questions and the search engine, you have the number of "victims" with an error of almost 300% - this is not statistics, not more or less accurate data, but nonsense.
              The first de-stabilizer was more meticulous than you laughing
              1. a
                a
                -1
                22 May 2013 15: 49
                1. I will not. I write as I see fit and possible
                2. There’s nothing to discuss here. we are not talking about criminal repression
                3. if you are fixated on only one Vick, I don’t even know what to say. look at other materials besides wiki. there are accurate data on the repressed.
                1. Rrv
                  Rrv
                  +1
                  22 May 2013 16: 55
                  Quote: uno
                  1. I will not. I write as I see fit and possible
                  2. There’s nothing to discuss here. we are not talking about criminal repression
                  3. if you are fixated on only one Vick, I don’t even know what to say. look at other materials besides wiki. there are accurate data on the repressed.

                  1 Oh double standards? laughing - "I write as I see fit, but at the same time I demand from others that they write as I see fit"? laughing

                  2 We are talking about criminal repressions, there are simply no others - everything that goes beyond the framework of the Criminal Code was a crime, and those who committed lawlessness responded to the same Criminal Code.

                  3 No need for pedagogy: the picture presented is a copy of the official telegram. A reference to other materials, all the more without reference to the latter, is verbiage.
                  1. a
                    a
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                    22 May 2013 17: 54
                    1. no double standards. asking me for links and saying weakly you revealed a well-known trick in the discussion, when in fact there is nothing to say to go into verbiage, ask for links. this is what I called the lack of a culture of discussion. I appeal to you exclusively to you.
                    2. Well, yes. anti-Soviet activities are exclusively criminal cases. once again I am convinced that you do not have a culture of communication.
                    3. verbiage is to write weakly. you need materials - I showed you the way, go and see. but even your telegram indicates that there are millions of repressed. by the way, other people here give links with different numbers. and they assure that this is precisely the truth :) in any case, there are millions of repressed. corpses - millions. only executed about a million. and how many convicts who were "industrialized" died? and how many died of hunger? or dying of hunger because they wanted to eat, went on a hunger strike?
                    1. Rrv
                      Rrv
                      +1
                      22 May 2013 18: 34
                      1 UFO you make unfounded statements without reinforcing anything without reinforcing your words.
                      I know that there are no documents proving your correctness in nature.
                      based on the foregoing, my reaction is logical because you are nonsense and doing this apparently not because of a mistake.

                      2 an example of an analogue of anti-Soviet activity in the modern period is a call for the violent overthrow of the constitutional system.
                      how much the criminal case determines the specific legislation in force for a certain period of time and not your understanding of what is good and what is bad.

                      3 not millions and millions, but up to 4 millions and not more than 800000 - my figures fit into at least a statistical error. )))
                      but how much has died and everything else you can find on the website of the commission for rehabilitation but you don’t need it?
                      1. yurta2013
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                        23 May 2013 07: 27
                        Quote: RRV
                        I know that there are no documents proving your correctness in nature.

                        "All I know is that I know nothing!" - learn modesty from Socrates.
                      2. yurta2013
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                        23 May 2013 13: 42
                        Quote: RRV
                        A criminal case determines the specific legislation in force for a certain period of time and not your understanding of what is good and what is bad.

                        Following your logic, we must admit that political cases do not exist in principle, since both in Stalin's times and in our times, they were convicted in accordance with criminal law. And not only in our country, but also in other countries. Consequently, we can consider criminals, for example, German communists imprisoned in fascist camps for the "burning of the Reichstag", or our Decembrists in 1825.
                      3. yurta2013
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                        23 May 2013 14: 15
                        Quote: RRV
                        not millions and millions, but up to 4 millions and not more than 800000

                        In just two years of the "big terror" from October 1, 1936 to November 1, 1938, according to the certificate of the 1st special department of the NKVD of the USSR on the number of arrested and convicted, 1565041 people were arrested. Of these, 668305 people were shot.
                        However, the repressions began not in the fall of 1936, but back in 1934. From that time to 1938, more than 2 million people were arrested. But even after 1938, during the Second World War and up to the beginning of the 50s. the repressive machine continued to operate, albeit at a lower speed. As far as I know, no one really knows how many were repressed during these 15 years. It can be assumed that at least a million people were affected only among the civilian population within the country. Let's add to them about 5 million repressed "repatriates" (who returned to the USSR from among those hijacked to Germany) and "Harbins" (former residents and workers of the CER), at least 1 million former Soviet prisoners of war from German camps, about 2 million (381 thousand families) deported to poorly populated areas (north) of families of "kulaks" that are difficult for life. As a result, we get at least 11 million repressed, of whom at least a million were shot and several unidentified million died in special settlements and camps. At least 3 million more died as a result of the famine organized by the Stalinist regime in 1932-34. In total, at least 14 million different categories of victims (not counting the convicted accomplices of the Nazis, "Bandera" and others).
            3. 0
              22 May 2013 16: 42
              Source: http://www.psj.ru/blog/chest/1790.php here is a link to an article about repressions, read, make sure.
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                22 May 2013 16: 53
                Make sure of what? were there millions of repressed? I was convinced. - millions. However, without your link, I knew what numbers were in question.
  34. lilit.193
    +1
    22 May 2013 14: 12
    This is just the topic !!!
    "A collective Stalin is brewing among the people"
  35. lexe
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    22 May 2013 15: 13
    Yes, color blindness is flourishing .. No, let’s fly separately cutlets separately. Stalin, the primary scoundrel was in the company of his friends Lenin-Trotsky. The executioners were competent and ideological. We will only judge them in Russia, and not somewhere else without them We’ll create all sorts of Kremlin puppets and a wall not crying but howling! Moreover, without any guilt complexes there, but with a feeling of complete satisfaction that we are not the end of the population, but we are still the people. And all the neighbors who want to squeeze out money for rudely send our grief to ... Our grandfathers paid all the debts to Europe for 1000 years onward, how much did Hitler want to ariet there? Yes, and I'm not a nationalist, I remember that in the trenches of World War II there are still Russians and Jews facing west to a common enemy. We already had False Dmitry, then the media and TV were not there then, it saved us then. The technologies of poisoning people were already up to the mark (in the West they knew their business). And now it's just Disneyland then!))) A mausoleum in the heart of the country. Peter in the Leningrad Region, a madhouse in short. It would be necessary to plunge as at baptism in order to wash away sins and move on. 2 years have passed .. And who rules us today? communists?
  36. Skunk
    -4
    22 May 2013 15: 40
    Minus your article. complete.
    Again wishful thinking:
    Anti-Stalinists long rejected and despised by society ...

    You convince yourself and your kind:
    Anti-Stalinism is criminal ...

    You think about it yourself - one writes fantastic stories about the reign of Stalin in Russia, and everyone applauds him and asks for a door to show to this magical country. The second ones say that it would be good to meat everyone who is against their god. And others compare the opponents of their idol with the Nazis. The fourth groans in general - revive Dzhugashvili, return everything back. Some community of aggressive dreamers turns out. It's all dangerous ... laughing
    You better create a religion or sect - Stalinism. There is an image of God, you will pray at night, on Sundays or Saturdays in prayer houses you will gather, let off steam. Again, aggression will diminish, "life will be easier, life will be more fun" - so it seems your idol said.
  37. +5
    22 May 2013 16: 21
    "But neither Stalin nor his sympathizers called themselves Stalinists, and none of them used the term 'Stalinism' itself." As far as I remember, the term "Stalinists" was introduced by the followers of Leiba Bronstein after they were defeated in a discussion at a party conference.
  38. Alf
    +1
    22 May 2013 17: 23
    What to take from a gozman, he will die a Jew!
    1. Gari
      +4
      22 May 2013 17: 31
      Quote: Alf
      What to take from a gozman, he will die a Jew!

      Karl Radek said:
      "Moses led the Jews out of Egypt, and Stalin - from the Politburo."
  39. yurta2013
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    22 May 2013 17: 58
    S. Chernyakhovsky's article can be considered the most radical and aggressive manifestation of the wildest "cave" Stalinism. A characteristic feature of the latter is specific logic, or rather the absence of any logic in reasoning. So, the main thesis of the article is the assertion that the anti-Stalinists consider the military counterintelligence of the Second World War period a criminal organization. To prove this absurd statement, Chernyakhovsky cites the words allegedly said by Gozman. Actually, I also consider myself a staunch anti-Stalinist, but who Gozman is, to my shame I do not know at all, and I absolutely do not understand why I am credited with the personal opinion of some Gozman. In logic, such a mistake is called a hasty generalization. However, it is often allowed on purpose, with the aim of misleading people who are poorly versed in formal logic (or do not even know what it is). This deliberate mistake is called sophism. This mistake alone is enough to recognize the entire article as absurd, since the author proceeds in his further reasoning from the first thesis: Gozman = all anti-Stalinists. ”However, further in the article, logical errors follow one after another. I will dwell on some of them.
    1. yurta2013
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      22 May 2013 18: 20
      The second mistake of the author of the article: He claims that the term "Stalinism" has an unscientific character, since "Stalin's sympathizers" do not call themselves that, and terms of this kind are self-names. In fact, scientific terms are just designations of concepts, which, in turn, are a tool for understanding the world around us. And it doesn't matter if the term is a self-name or a nickname. For example, we call Germans Germans, and they call themselves Deutsch. The French generally seem to call them Allemans. By the way, I wonder what the Stalinists themselves call themselves? Or have they still not come up with a name for themselves?
      1. yurta2013
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        22 May 2013 18: 31
        3rd error of the author of the article: He claims that if Nazism and Stalinism (according to anti-Stalinists) are equally criminal, then Nazism, therefore, becomes less criminal. Meanwhile, such a conclusion does not follow logically from these premises. Even a person completely unfamiliar with logic is able to understand all his absurdity.
        1. yurta2013
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          22 May 2013 18: 42
          4th mistake of the author of the article: The author asserts that in the anti-Stalinists there is "personal inferiority", "monkey principle", "protesting against humanity in man", that is, "tension and attitudes towards mobilization." In fact, it has long been known that a person differs from a monkey not in "tension" and not in "an attitude toward mobilization," but primarily in his greater ability to think logically. Thus, the "monkey principle" manifests itself precisely in the work of S. Chernyakhovsky, who is not able to logically correctly express his thoughts.
          1. yurta2013
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            22 May 2013 18: 54
            5th logical mistake of the author of the article: He claims that anti-Stalinism is "a rejection of everything and hatred of everything, including the position that the USSR took in the world as a result of the victory in the Second World War." And further, he also writes that "the first form of anti-Stalinism is actually Hitlerism and Nazism." It remains to ask the author: how could "Hitlerism", destroyed in 1945, hate the place in the world occupied by the USSR after its victory over it.
            1. tixon444
              +1
              22 May 2013 23: 05
              Quote: yurta2013
              It remains to ask the author: how could "Hitlerism", destroyed in 1945, hate the place in the world occupied by the USSR after its victory over it.

              What's the difference, what was the name of the Western horde that attacked our homeland in 41, fascism, Hitlerism, Nazism, democracy, liberalism, we don't care, what matters is that it was Stalin who drove an aspen stake into this reptile, and he will never be forgiven those "destroyed in 1945" and their descendants, and I personally never doubted that, unfortunately, it was not possible to completely destroy them.
  40. +1
    23 May 2013 00: 57
    I am not a Stalinist and not an anti-Stalinist, I'm just a Russian person who will not spit in the past to please anyone. The families of both my grandfathers were repressed. One died before my birth, and the other whose father was sent to the White Sea Canal, and his wife and seven children in a cattle truck were sent to Transbaikalia, never from him, regimental reconnaissance artilleryman, nor did I hear from his grandson or my mother, his daughter a bad word about Stalin, but there are many colorful epithets about Khrushchev and the Tagged.
    1. yurta2013
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      23 May 2013 05: 57
      Quote: Buran
      never from him, the regimental reconnaissance artilleryman nor, I, his grandson nor my mother, his daughter have ever heard a bad word about Stalin

      Perhaps your father, for some reason, really did not want to say anything about Stalin. But you really don’t want to figure out why the families of both your grandfathers were repressed, for what they suffered and who is to blame? Was it really your ancestors themselves to blame for having plundered them, tore them out of their native places and sent to hell on small cakes, to work for the Stalin regime for free?
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        23 May 2013 08: 09
        And he told, and I know why, one was a merchant, the other, he filled the face with the chairman of the collective farm when he took the only cow from the yard to the collective farm. I repeat my grandfather never spoke badly of Stalin. Stalin did not steal cows for the collective farm.
        PS By the way, that chairman did so much evil to the people that when he died, they couldn’t bury him at local cemeteries, they dug and threw him away, they buried him in a neighboring area.
        1. yurta2013
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          23 May 2013 13: 26
          Quote: Buran
          one was a merchant; the other, the chairman of the collective farm, filled the muzzle when he took the only cow from the yard to the collective farm.

          Do you consider the fact that your grandfather was a merchant sufficient reason for political repression? And further. Have you ever wondered how many peasants from your grandfather’s village suffered except him in the 30s? About 12-13 years ago I was engaged in local history in the region of the town of Artyom of the Primorsky Territory. So, according to the old-timers, in the village of Krolevets, not far from Artyom, at least a third of the population suffered various types of repression, and about the same number fled from the village, hastily sold their property to the Artyom mines and other cities. Now there are 2 or 3 families of descendants of those first inhabitants left there. Almost all of the current population of Krolevets are immigrants of the 30s and 60s from the western regions of the country. The same situation in all other rural settlements around Artyom.
  41. Perch_xnumx
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    23 May 2013 09: 08
    Quote: RRV
    I repeat once again - everyone proved without me. If you think that the accusation is falsified, justify.
    They have not proven anything. Under torture, you confess to anything and sign the testimony. People were honest, humane and conscientious. Therefore, there is no respect for you. You are separate and we are separate and who you are is understandable. Today, they completely agree with the Stalin sentences to your brothers, and tomorrow they will agree with the sentences sent to you by torture.
    Because of godlessness and debauchery, misfortune will come to our land.
    1. Rrv
      Rrv
      0
      23 May 2013 13: 29
      Listen, stop carrying this crap:

      They didn’t prove it, but they put and shot him, moreover, in accordance with the party’s policy? And to whom and why was it needed? Were they all chikatilami there?
      Again - did they act in accordance with the existing legislation? Yes. So the question lies not in the plane of enforcement, but in the plane of the quality of legislation (you can shoot for agitation, or not, you can burn for double-fisted, or you can’t).

      Under torture? No, torture could be hypothetically possible, but were they, and if they were, were they official politics? The church torture was an official policy, the modern cops have them, but unofficially. Is there evidence of torture? No. Therefore, your statements at the moment are speculation.

      There is no need for honest and humane people - people are different, but the rank of holiness does not add. At the expense of conscientiousness and humanity, tell the REGULARLY dying of hunger in tsarist Russia, rotting in monastic dungeons and forced on their former land to work for the "strong master" of the kulak, who gave loans at interest that the Jews could not even dream of, then hired bandyugans to make they killed the borrower, and at the end took the land away from the latter.

      I am not a Stalinist, a Stalinist is made of me by people like you with their unproven stuffing and the assertion that all those who sat and were shot were saints at that time.

      And at the expense of godlessness ... Tell me, do you really not see the obvious, or do not want to see?