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"Anti-Stalinism" is nothing more than a hidden form of rehabilitation of Nazism

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It is always directed against Russia, its culture and its sovereignty.


The last scandal around Gozman’s semi-hysterical statement, which declared almost the most criminal stories our country in the twentieth century is actually very useful. At least by the fact that it demonstrates: the object of attacks and hatred of people of such a political orientation is not the political structure of the country, as it was under the leadership of Stalin, but the country itself.

When these people blame the gulag, the NKVD, the troika for all the deadly sins, and shout about mass repressions, it can still somehow get past the ideological position. Although the constant articulation of the same, the constant operation of long-refuted or distorted facts in itself has long been tiring for anyone who wants to remain as impartial as possible. When they declare military counterintelligence to be a criminal organization that was engaged in the struggle against military espionage and sabotage, there are reasons to believe that this aspect of their activity does not suit the “fighters against Stalinism” - that they fought against Nazi aggression.

By the way, anti-Stalinists, perhaps, themselves do not know which of the “Mortals” they consider to be “criminal”, because three different structures had this name - counterintelligence of the People’s Commissariat of Defense (actually the most famous “Main Directorate of Counterintelligence“ Smersh ”), the counterintelligence department People's Commissariat of Internal Affairs and the counterintelligence of the naval fleet. It is possible, however, that they mean all these structures - simply because they had as their main task the fight against the agents of the aggressor.

Thus, it turns out that the main thing that does not suit the anti-Stalinists in what they call "Stalinism" is his opposition to fascism (both in the form of Hitler's Nazism, and in all other forms). And they are not satisfied with the fact that innocent people were hit by the “punitive organs”, but by the fact that those who were guilty fell under it. People of this type memorizedly call for “the trial of Stalinism,” trying to ignore the fact that society has long rejected them and treats them like ordinary street brawlers with beer cans in their hands, who in the evening “get to the bottom” to passersby.

Strictly speaking, in terms of content, the term “Stalinism” itself has a non-scientific, but a journalistic-meaningless character. The fascists are called fascists, because they themselves called themselves monarchists - because they themselves chose this name, the White Guards were the White Guards - for the same reasons. But neither Stalin nor his sympathizers called themselves Stalinists, and none of them used the term "Stalinism" itself. That is, the term itself is a kind of arbitrary fabrication of those who consider themselves to be “anti-Stalinists.”

If “anti-Stalinists” are those who are against “Stalinism”, and what “Stalinism” is, is not completely clear, then a reasonable question arises: is “anti-Stalinism” directed against all the same? Judging by what Gozman announced, - against the fight against Nazi agents. True, they are trying to conceal it, repeating what they consider "fascism" and "Stalinism" to be equally "criminal." But if “criminal Stalinism” fought against Hitlerism, then Hitlerism becomes a little less criminal. That is, the attack on "Stalinism" is actually a hidden form of rehabilitation and justification of Nazism, fascism and Hitlerism. Hidden, not only because openly trying to side with the latter, especially in Russia, is too blasphemous, but also because in the practice of Nazism there is a really embarrassing (but only embarrassing!) Their moment - its ethnic policy and genocide, among other things in relation to the ethnic group to which many of these people belong.

In fascism they are not satisfied with its ethnic orientation, in “Stalinism” - the class orientation. But since class interests are still more significant than ethnic predilections, they hate the Soviet Union more than fascist Germany, whose class policy and class essence is in many ways the embodiment of their social Darwinist ideals.

In addition to political and ideological, which should be discussed separately, anti-Stalinism has certain political and psychological reasons. First of all, it is part of personal inferiority, a kind of “monkey beginning”, protesting against humanity in man, tension and attitudes towards mobilization, which people of the Stalin epoch lived in (read more about this here). “Anti-Stalinism” is a monkey in a man, this desire to stand on all fours, it is envy of those who really stand on their feet, and an aggressive demand for everyone to fall on all fours.

But in this case more is important. “Anti-Stalinism” is first and foremost a hatred for everything that the country lived during Stalin’s leadership, for what remained of it, and the desire to destroy it all. That is, it is not only rejection or condemnation of the costs of that era and the price that had to be paid for success, namely, rejection of everything and hatred for everything, including the position that the USSR occupied in the world as a result of victory in World War II. And, like any ideological and political trend, it has various forms of manifestation. This may be the subject of a special academic analysis, but in this case and in general terms, we can distinguish three such forms, three of its historical incarnations.

The first form of anti-Stalinism is Hitlerism and Nazism itself. Of course, Hitler set as his task the general conquest of Russia, its enslavement and the destruction of its statehood and culture. But no less than he set himself the task of destroying the socio-economic system and political system that existed in the USSR, the way of life and relations between people — that is, everything that at that time could be called “Stalinism.” There are big doubts as to whether he would destroy the camps and free the “Gulag prisoners”. Although it is clear that those who were justified there (those of his supporters and agents), of course, would be released, and “honest Communists-Leninists” would have left there.

The second historical form of anti-Stalinism is not even crushing and falsification of the 20th Congress (Stalin was “accused” there, but they did not encroach upon the totality created during his time), but “anti-Stalinism” of the perestroika period, when the country's development tasks were first replaced by condemnation of its past, and then against the background of hysteria about this monopolistically imposed “condemnation”, the destruction of the economy, statehood, and positive latent patterns created in that era was carried out.

The third historical form of anti-Stalinism is the direct rule of the “anti-Stalinists” in 1990: the destruction of industry and the economy, the impoverishment of the population and the plundering of a country with human casualties several times higher than the total number of prisoners of the Gulag and a dozen and a half times the number sentenced to death by political articles for the time of Stalin's rule.

Three historical forms: Hitler, Gorbachev-Yakovlev, Chubais. In all these three incarnations, “anti-Stalinism” was directed not only against communism and socialism, but also against Russia, its culture and its sovereignty, its influence in international relations. And each time the country inflicted catastrophic damage, as well as led to a massive death of civilians.

By the way, what is anti-Stalinism in its activist nature, if not “incitement to hatred or enmity, as well as humiliation of the dignity of a person or a group of people on the basis of nationality, origin, as well as belonging to any social group, committed publicly or using mass media "? And this, by the way, is a clean item. 1 Art. 282 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. By the way, these actions are obviously carried out by an organized group of people with the use of violence (moral and informational) and often with the use of official position. And this is the second paragraph of the same article. This is what is called, for reference ...

Anti-Stalinists, long ago rejected and despised by society, make noise and scandal. But if it is impartial to analyze what anti-Stalinism is, then it turns out to be an extremely anti-human and anti-Russian oriented ideology, containing in itself attempts to rehabilitate and justify the crimes of Nazism and Hitlerism. And as a political practice - in terms of the scale of victims and destructions - inhuman and criminal policies. Finally, one must be honest and say directly: anti-Stalinism is a criminal ideology and a criminal policy.

Anti-Stalinism is criminal. And while his representatives terrorize people with impunity, delivering blows to their historical memory and historical identity and, turning their indignation away from themselves, require a "trial of Stalinism", you just need to put everything upside down, return to common sense and officially hold the trial over anti-Stalinism as a crime against humanity, having considered the question of the totality of its crimes in 1940, in the second half of 1980 and in 1990, as well as their recurrence in our time.
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  1. strenadk
    strenadk 22 May 2013 05: 46 New
    17
    thanks to the author, short and clear. The time comes for realizing the great past, and mongrels ... yes they are mongrels ... screeching, and nothing more!
    1. smel
      smel 22 May 2013 07: 02 New
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      This screech is directed against a great country, a great people and its great history. This is not a screech. It is an unparalleled example of meanness and desire to destroy a nation. So society must fight accordingly, and not by pretending that nothing terrible is happening.
      1. elmir15
        elmir15 22 May 2013 13: 29 New
        +4
        In the USSR, Gozman was sent to prison for such statements. Now they allow people to pour mud from TV and media screens, it is surprising that the authorities are not taking any steps ... because the central channels are under control, or can it be beneficial for the government to create an enemy in the person of liberals and other Western politicians and thereby push the troubles on them? Some questions ... now you don’t know who is friend and who is enemy. The USSR was destroyed, now they are trying to break up Russia into principalities. But it is difficult for the dark forces to do this, so they are trying to knock out the "foundation" from under us, to knock out spirituality. They try to denigrate churches and mosques, destroy the spirit of the victors, belittle us, so that we feel guilty for the actions of Stalin, and try our best to prevent the national idea. I would like the fastest revival of Russia - the empire of the borders of tsarist times or the reconstruction of the USSR-2.
        1. Gari
          Gari 22 May 2013 14: 29 New
          +5
          By the way, anti-Stalinists, perhaps, themselves do not know which of the “Mortals” they consider to be “criminal”
          It is possible, however, that they mean all these structures - simply because they had as their main task the fight against the agents of the aggressor.

          Here is the answer
          And why should they love "Smersh" - (Death to spies)
          We read the solved problems of Smersh:
          "A) the fight against espionage, sabotage, terrorist and other subversive activities of foreign intelligence in the units and institutions of the Red Army-Gozman and other rubbish;
          b) the fight against anti-Soviet elements that penetrated the units and institutions of the Red Army;
          A very necessary structure that needs to be revived in our time to fight
      2. yurta2013
        yurta2013 23 May 2013 06: 01 New
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        Quote: smel
        This screech is directed against a great country, a great people and its great history.

        If you wrote this about this article, then I completely agree with you.
    2. klimpopov
      klimpopov 22 May 2013 12: 10 New
      0
      Bravo article! Bravo!
      Strictly speaking, in terms of content, the term “Stalinism” itself has a non-scientific, but a journalistic-meaningless character. The fascists are called fascists, because they themselves called themselves monarchists - because they themselves chose this name, the White Guards were the White Guards - for the same reasons. But neither Stalin nor his sympathizers called themselves Stalinists, and none of them used the term "Stalinism" itself. That is, the term itself is a kind of arbitrary fabrication of those who consider themselves to be “anti-Stalinists.”

      I tried to formulate this for a very long time! But now it can be learned as a definition! Bravo again!
      1. yak69
        yak69 22 May 2013 13: 47 New
        +4
        All these mongrel would not be scary if they did not occupy responsible posts in power. The main shooter of the “de-Stalinization” is Dimon Medvedev (he himself allowed to call himself that!). Gozman, by the way, was shoved by the head of the president’s civil society commission. Fortunately, did not pass. But another similar one passed. And Pigidze sits in a public chamber. There are a lot of them in the government of the Russian Federation - Dvorkovich, red, Lebanon, Medina, etc.
        And while they are in power, we will be in the position of "lowered" in our own country.
        It's time to do something about it.
  2. Belogor
    Belogor 22 May 2013 05: 50 New
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    "May everyone be rewarded according to his deeds"
    What the anti-Stalinists are capable of, the people have already felt this fully.
  3. Humpty
    Humpty 22 May 2013 06: 05 New
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    How do all gozman and "partners" from NATO want the Russians to feel guilty for the defeat of Nazi-unified Europe. They want the same as before - the Russian land, natural wealth and monetary compensation.
    Instead, they are sometimes shown with their hand where the sleeve is sewn. Because of this, and rage.
  4. fenix57
    fenix57 22 May 2013 06: 21 New
    +5
    It is strange why the authorities are so loyal to these very gozman, the late partners. request After all “Incitement to hatred or enmity, as well as humiliation of the dignity of a person or group of persons on the grounds of nationality, origin, as well as belonging to any social group, committed publicly or using the mass media” poses a direct threat to the security of the state!
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 22 May 2013 06: 42 New
      10
      Quote: fenix57
      It is strange why the authorities are so loyal to these very gozman, the late partners.

      Because people are indignant sitting in front of computers, and not with stones and sticks in the streets.
    2. vladimirZ
      vladimirZ 22 May 2013 09: 03 New
      +8
      "It's strange why the authorities are so loyal to these ..." fenix57  Today, 06:21

      Everything is pretty simple. The modern government of Russia supports the ideology of anti-Stalinism. This is her ideology.
      Hence the conclusion - the current power of Russia, this is not the power of the people, this is the power of the oligarchs and thieves-bandits and their proteges of corrupt officials in power.
      Awareness of this by people should lead to a change of power and the return of socialist ideology in the state, the restoration of Soviet power.
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 22 May 2013 10: 00 New
        +3
        Quote: vladimirZ
        Awareness of this by people should lead to a change of power and the return of socialist ideology in the state, the restoration of Soviet power.


        So then all Gozman will have to WORK, and not receive grants for their talk. And after all, other "tricks" can be recalled. So they will squeal from fear and hatred!
        1. washi
          washi 22 May 2013 12: 49 New
          0
          In the beginning, it is necessary to bring down the US economy - that is, the dollar. Then create the conditions for changes in politics and economics. We are slowly moving towards this. GDP is a proponent of progress, like Stalin. GDP is either dumber or more difficult. Rather, the second. Stalin could maneuver. There were almost independent states. And now, all the ukraine of the Russian state under them.
      2. SASCHAmIXEEW
        SASCHAmIXEEW 22 May 2013 12: 57 New
        0
        I agree with you in everything !!! But when the people come to their senses !!!? When to judge awaken these ghouls?
    3. bilgesez
      bilgesez 22 May 2013 15: 29 New
      0
      it only works against the Russians. and any gozman and dog can be insulted and humiliated us because they are winners, And now we are their slaves. And with this you need to do something.
  5. servant
    servant 22 May 2013 06: 24 New
    +9
    Children of traitors are looking for excuses for their ancestors .....
    1. waisson
      waisson 22 May 2013 06: 32 New
      +3
      spotted for sure
    2. avt
      avt 22 May 2013 10: 21 New
      +2
      Quote: Servant
      Children of traitors seek excuses for their ancestors ...

      Especially when daddy, like Chubais, taught Leninism to Marxism. It’s in vain when the gozman proposed to bring the CPSU to court, no one suggested that he, under the scenario of the perestroika Georgian film, dig the body of the father’s father from the grave. Probably he squealed in. laughing
    3. yurta2013
      yurta2013 23 May 2013 06: 05 New
      -1
      Unfortunately, the children of Stalin's executioners also live among us and, of course, also cast their vote in defense of Stalinism.
  6. kind
    kind 22 May 2013 06: 33 New
    +1
    There is a category of people who are against everything. They are trying to contrast themselves with society. For what? They don’t know themselves. In short, Westerners. Today they are anti-Stalinists, tomorrow they are anti-fog ..ists, etc.
    1. luka095
      luka095 22 May 2013 07: 25 New
      +2
      This category of people is not against, but for. First of all, for the money. And for the money they will be "anti" of what you deign. And now they seem to have a nice consensus. They hate "this" country and earn money on it.
    2. builder
      builder 22 May 2013 15: 54 New
      +2
      ICD-10 diagnosis of dissocial personality disorder

      Personality disorder usually noticeable rude a mismatch between behavior and prevailing social norms, characterized by the following:
      heartless indifference to the feelings of others;
      a rude and persistent stance of irresponsibility and neglect of social rules and duties;
      inability to maintain relationships in the absence of difficulties in their formation;
      inability to feel guilty and benefit from life experience, especially punishment;
      pronounced tendency to blame others or put forward plausible explanations for their behaviorleading the subject to conflict with society.
      Treatment for Dissocial Personality Disorder

      About one third of all people with this disorder undergo treatment, but none of the treatments seem to be effective. Most employers make their treatment, educational establishments or law enforcementor they fall into the field of vision of therapists in connection with some other disorder.
  7. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 22 May 2013 06: 35 New
    +7
    It's time to shut up these mongrels! They are mongrel mongrels, besides a silly screech - NOTHING!
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 22 May 2013 06: 40 New
      +4
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      It's time to shut up these mongrels!

      A mongrel until it gets a pendal shuts up. The last pendal was in 1945, soon a new one will have to be written out.
  8. fenix57
    fenix57 22 May 2013 06: 55 New
    +1
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Because people are indignant sitting in front of computers, and not with stones and sticks in the streets

    The people are sitting at the computers, I agree, but the FSB ... after all, ensuring the security of the state is something that the FSB should essentially do ...
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 22 May 2013 07: 04 New
      +3
      Quote: fenix57
      The people are sitting at the computers, I agree, but the FSB ..

      And what about the FSB Valera? The FSB is a tool in the hands of politicians and while politicians sit quietly and look at how people write indignant comments. The FSB is also sitting and waiting for a command, in short, everyone is sitting and waiting for something.
      But if in many cities people appeared on the streets, then politicians would not leave the TV screens and would demand urgent measures against gozman and other trash. They are only afraid of the anger of the people and nothing more hi
      1. yurta2013
        yurta2013 23 May 2013 06: 08 New
        -1
        No need to give out a bunch of rabid Stalinists for the whole people. You cannot gather people in any city more than the Communists gather at their meetings.
  9. fenix57
    fenix57 22 May 2013 07: 18 New
    +3
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    not with stones and sticks in the streets.
    Alexander, so after all, in this case, it will be too late for politicians to do anything, which is why RUSSIA. And it will not be a "march" on the Swamp, it is already
    1. lilit.193
      lilit.193 22 May 2013 14: 07 New
      +2
      Quote: fenix57
      it will not be a “march” on Bolotnaya, it’s already

      It will be a Russian riot. And whether it is meaningful or not, he is always merciless.
  10. avia12005
    avia12005 22 May 2013 08: 28 New
    +2
    Yes sir. But for some reason, the whole gang everywhere is leading. One Fedotov is worth? And Svanidze with Mlechin?
    1. Was mammoth
      Was mammoth 22 May 2013 08: 39 New
      +3
      Quote: avia12005
      But for some reason, all this gang takes leading places everywhere

      Ask the president
    2. k220150
      k220150 22 May 2013 08: 58 New
      +2
      This is because the fifth column is not only in the Kremlin.
  11. Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 22 May 2013 08: 35 New
    +2
    Yesterday I saw a piece of the program with Mamaonov. There Gozman was offered to apologize. I do not need his apology. For me, he is a complete scoundrel, provocateur and traitor. A decent person will not give him a hand at least.
  12. vot-te-raz
    vot-te-raz 22 May 2013 08: 41 New
    +3
    By the way, Stalin never wore these awards (see photo of the article), the artists finished painting on him, although he had these awards. And he wore only the Star of the Hero of Socialist Labor.
  13. k220150
    k220150 22 May 2013 08: 54 New
    +4
    Anti-Stalinism is the diagnosis of patients who are illiterate and flawed, unable to think on their own, an illustration to this thesis - Svinidza, Gozman and Alekseeva. Having come to an understanding of the conditions under which and the incredible complexity he had to solve the problem of the survival of the Russian and Soviet people, you can never say anything bad about him. "Comrade Stalin is holy to me" - words of Marshal Konstantin Konstantinovich (Ksaverievich) Rokossovsky said to him by a bald corncracker in response to his suggestion to write nasty things against Stalin.
  14. Perch_xnumx
    Perch_xnumx 22 May 2013 08: 55 New
    -7
    Anti-Stalinists, long ago rejected and despised by society, make noise and scandal. But if it is impartial to analyze what anti-Stalinism is, then it turns out to be an extremely anti-human and anti-Russian oriented ideology, containing in itself attempts to rehabilitate and justify the crimes of Nazism and Hitlerism. And as a political practice - in terms of the scale of victims and destructions - inhuman and criminal policies. Finally, one must be honest and say directly: anti-Stalinism is a criminal ideology and a criminal policy.

    Well, and that Sergei Chernyakhovsky I am an anti-Stalinist, and also I am for Russia and for the people who live in it, for the people of Russia, as well as for people in Syria. I did not like Stalin and I will not love. And if you adore him so much, then tell me. Do you support him in his repressions? Who will be responsible for the innocently killed and tortured in the camps, who will be responsible for the dead and executed at the Butovo training ground. Citizens do not sit underground, say who is who, fight against the anti-Stalinists, especially the Orthodox, break up the country, then all by one the world dictatorship of perverts more easily crosses over.
    1. Perch_xnumx
      Perch_xnumx 22 May 2013 09: 25 New
      -3
      And I also wanted to say that the so-called democrats and liberals, for the most part, are agents of America, America that sleeps and sees that it would ruin Russia to arrange a revolution, a parade of independence of individual regions, and a war against radical Islam and terrorists in Syria. All these liberals, by their very nature, goals and aspirations, are enemies of Russia and its people.
      And I also wanted to laugh heartily from those who press hard on the pros and cons, you need to crush with a word and arguments, what is written with a pen can not be cut down with an ax.
      As soon as the lovers of Stalin are not perverted, they are already accusing them of rehabilitating Nazism. What kind of rehabilitation are you in your right mind?
      http://www.ntv.ru/peredacha/Osvoboditeli/m29681/o165137/
      - Look at the movie to refresh your memory.
      1. Kushadasov
        Kushadasov 22 May 2013 10: 18 New
        +3
        something, major, you often change flags ...
      2. SASCHAmIXEEW
        SASCHAmIXEEW 22 May 2013 13: 14 New
        +3
        perch-1 You do not know history well! Who made the Jewish revolution, who did arbitrariness, the Jews in power, who ultimately ruined the USSR-Jews from 5 collons, coupled with the CIA! By and large, the ears of Jewish Zionism stick out in any muck happening in the world, their monetary interest! EVERYWHERE !!!!! But Stalin fought against Jewry, but alas, they poisoned him!
        1. Kushadasov
          Kushadasov 22 May 2013 13: 54 New
          +3
          in solidarity. in addition I will say:

          GULAG of the NKVD of the USSR in accordance with the Order of the NKVD of the USSR No. 341 of 13.08.1936/XNUMX/XNUMX:
          - Head of the Gulag - Commissioner of State Security 3rd rank Matvey Davidovich Berman
          - Deputy Head of the Gulag - Dividend Israel Izrailevich Pliner

          Hey Svanidza and Gozmans, so who destroyed the Russian people?
        2. yurta2013
          yurta2013 23 May 2013 06: 12 New
          -1
          Stalin destroyed millions of Russian people. Steeper than this stuff is hard to imagine. However, he is not a Jew.
    2. Rrv
      Rrv 22 May 2013 10: 50 New
      +4
      Quote: Perch_1
      Who will be responsible for the innocently killed and tortured in the camps, who will be responsible for the dead and executed at the Butovo training ground.

      The number of innocently killed, preferably surname, please.


      fight against anti-Stalinists, especially Orthodox

      About how the church sang praises of the Nazis need to be reminded? And what about the current support for the neoliberal course?


      split up the country, then all individually, it is easier to cross the world dictatorship of perverts.

      You’ve got it famously - who doesn’t intend to eat your lies, does that country break up?

      You, my dear, if you have something against something, so for God's sake, only provide references to the primary sources - and then suddenly there are many people like me - who do not know about the innocently killed.
      And so, as you, apparently, are also a believer, please explain - where did the saints of the 38 saints canonized thanks to the "Stalin" camps go from the saints?
      1. Perch_xnumx
        Perch_xnumx 22 May 2013 15: 42 New
        -2
        The number of innocently killed, preferably surname, please.
        Open the synodic and read, if only for respect and not for your own laziness. You can take any name and prove guilty, I hope you do not need to say the obvious that many confessions were beaten out under torture or again a lie for you.
        About how the church sang praises of the Nazis need to be reminded? And what about the current support for the neoliberal course?
        Which church? Inside Orthodoxy, all sorts of churches in the schism are full and everyone claims to be true. Only in Russia there is only one church - the Russian Orthodox Church. There were traitors inside the church who hid with the Germans, but there was a church that was for Russia, despite the fact that Stalin did against the people inside her. So there were traitors inside the spacecraft - Vlasov and Vlasovites, cleaned the Stalin cleaned the spacecraft, Gorbatov almost finished, Rokossovsky was on the verge of execution (and this is the victory marshall beloved by many) And the tank column was equipped with his own money.
        You’ve got it famously - who doesn’t intend to eat your lies, does that country break up?

        I don’t care at all, consider whatever you want, I can live with it calmly. But what if tomorrow it turns out that those who consider Stalin antichrist are the enemies of the people and they need one.
        It’s not me who’s climbing to you, but you’re climbing to others, those that your allies in fact and America do not like, do not believe in the myth of good democracy. Those who do not like Stalin they also prove to be Nazism, a good lie. You can’t stigmatize, expose.
        And so, as you, apparently, are also a believer, please explain - where did the saints of the 38 saints canonized thanks to the "Stalin" camps go from the saints?
        You open the synodic in Butovo. Here is another surname, surname of the confessor - Sergius Mechev - let's prove that the enemy of the people, since the Antichrist and the idol Stalin gave the green light.
        Will you prove belonging to the enemies of the people? And then who are we for you who remain with them one spirit? And keep in mind that everything you say will be recorded.
        1. Rrv
          Rrv 22 May 2013 16: 39 New
          +3
          Quote: Perch_1
          Open the synodic and read, if only for respect and not for your own laziness.

          For the sake of laziness, they don’t read, you know - and respect them, and you and them, for nothing.

          You can take any name and prove guilty, I hope you do not need to say the obvious that many confessions were beaten out under torture or again a lie for you.

          They had already proved everything without me - that’s why they were convicted, but as for breaking out confessions, let's give more details - where does infa come from? From the OBS media?

          Which church? Inside Orthodoxy, all sorts of churches in the schism are full and everyone claims to be true. Only in Russia there is only one church - the Russian Orthodox Church.

          You, brother, let’s not be a star: the Russian Orthodox Church is a remake created in the year 43, and your so-called “schismatics” are the very church that the priest had under the tsar. And these are not some isolated traitors, but the whole so-called "ROCOR". smile

          Rokossovsky was on the verge of execution (and this is the victory marshall beloved by many)

          You don’t confuse the cause with the investigation? smile

          I don’t care at all, consider whatever you want, I can live with it calmly.

          It would be all the same - I would not write my passages. At the expense of the negative attitude towards Stalin and the persecution for this - you are lying, there has never been such a thing, but there was some persecution against those who disagree with church policy.

          Those who do not like Stalin they also prove to be Nazism, a good lie.

          This is again a lie on your part: you may not love anyone, but you must answer for slander. There really is an attempt to justify fascism, but this is not a goal, but a means - I wrote about the goal above.

          Here is another surname, surname of the confessor - Sergius Mechev - let's prove that the enemy of the people, since the Antichrist and the idol Stalin gave the green light.
          Will you prove belonging to the enemies of the people? And then who are we for you who remain with them one spirit? And keep in mind that everything you say will be recorded.

          smile I repeat once again - everyone proved without me. If you think that the accusation is falsified, justify.

          And now the question: are you so worried about the “unfortunate" priests who violated, it may be bad, but the law. Tell me, the picture below doesn’t remind you of anything, do you find any analogies? laughing
    3. k220150
      k220150 22 May 2013 12: 43 New
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      You do not have a mind; you lack it. I thought that such a long time no. How did you get here? Note that you are being contacted by reputable people.
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      2. yurta2013
        yurta2013 23 May 2013 06: 20 New
        -1
        Quote: k220150
        You do not have a mind; you lack it. I thought that such a long time no.

        I agree. It is hard to call Stalinists smart people.
    4. washi
      washi 22 May 2013 13: 14 New
      +4
      Please read whom, when, for what planted. Stalin was until May 1941 Secretary of the CPSU (B.). In any modern organization, does the secretary decide a lot? But he was not even General, like his last. All decisions were made by the watered bureau. Stalin alone NEVER made decisions and did not have the right to do so. I had to consult with the "internationalists" who considered Stalin to betray the party, because he was against the dismemberment of the country, against the world revolution brought on our tracks.
      He gained full power only in August 1941, when Tymoshenko with Zhukov, generals subordinate to him, dressed in counterintelligence and party workers from the west of the country asked ..... whether the entire Western group of our troops. With all stocks for wartime.
      Stalin, unfortunately forgave too many. Maybe expediency, or maybe circumcision in the seminary.
      But in any case, the perpetrators must be punished. At least morally. But the NSDAP trial was, but not complete. But they are afraid to make a trial over Stalin. Otherwise, ALL Western democracy will be .......... and Stalin will have to be counted among the saints.
      1. yurta2013
        yurta2013 23 May 2013 06: 28 New
        -1
        Quote: Vasya
        Stalin was until May 1941 Secretary of the CPSU (B.). In any modern organization, does the secretary decide a lot? But he was not even General, like his last. All decisions were made by the watered bureau. Stalin alone NEVER made decisions and did not have the right to do so. I had to consult with the "internationalists" who considered Stalin to betray the party

        And Peter the 1st was considered a scorer in his army (the lowest command rank in artillery). And all the most important decisions were formally carried out first by the Duma, and later by the State Council. So what? This did not detract from his sole authority in the country. Lenin also did not have any official positions in the Communist Party, but nonetheless was the recognized leader of both the Communist Party and the country. As for the "betraying the party," Stalin was very well able to get rid of them with the help of the OGPU-NKVD.
  15. svskor80
    svskor80 22 May 2013 09: 27 New
    +4
    I think gentlemen anti-Stalinists see the main goal as affirming in their heads the equal sign between Nazism in Germany and the Soviet system under Stalin. The next step will be the imposition of ideas on endless justification for all who "suffered" from the USSR, and of course, the final disarmament of Russia.
    1. Perch_xnumx
      Perch_xnumx 22 May 2013 09: 39 New
      -1
      There is no and will not be such an equal sign never .
      In order to understand this, you need to look at this http://www.ntv.ru/peredacha/Osvoboditeli/m29681/o165137/
  16. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 22 May 2013 09: 35 New
    +6
    “Anti-Stalinism” is a monkey in a man, this desire to stand on all fours, it is envy of those who really stand on their feet, and an aggressive demand for everyone to fall on all fours.

    Here it is right!
    And about the tortured in camps, etc., because of the fault of the labeled person and his ilk, more people died many times throughout the former USSR. Stalin fought against the enemies of the people. tagged just destroyed people. Just go to the archive and see how many people and for which they were repressed. Look and dates that were given. Everything is there.
    1. Perch_xnumx
      Perch_xnumx 22 May 2013 09: 44 New
      -9
      Stalin fought with the enemies of the people.

      Hey you. http://archive.martyr.ru/files/sinodik.pdf who are these - enemies of the people? Then who are we - Orthodox - enemies of the people judging by your Stalin, in which you don’t dwell on the soul. Say it directly and openly. Then we will know who our enemies are. In the end, an inglorious end awaits all the fighters, regardless of whether you have a new Stalin or not.
      1. Buran
        Buran 22 May 2013 10: 55 New
        +5
        And when did the Poles become Orthodox?
      2. Reserve buildbat
        Reserve buildbat 22 May 2013 13: 12 New
        +6
        Politeness, as I see, is missing in your "education." And about the "god-fighting" - I read the case of some planted priests. Everybody has a reason for landing - anti-Soviet agitation, calls for the overthrow of the "god-opposing" power, calls to counteract all the activities of the authorities. So hello to the Poles.
      3. SASCHAmIXEEW
        SASCHAmIXEEW 22 May 2013 13: 23 New
        0
        Perch_1 - poke the dog in the fray! Learn history, in those days the Jews were in power in the Cheka, GPU, NKVD, MGB arbitrariness they were doing, these tricks, and Khrushchev, the participant of this lawlessness, hung everything on Stalin!
        1. yurta2013
          yurta2013 23 May 2013 06: 38 New
          0
          Poor Stalin. As they used to say, "The king is good. It's all the boyars to blame." Wow, Dzhugashvili destroyed millions of Russian people, but forgot about the Jews. Probably the Jews got him drunk with something. From this he lost his memory. Like, "I remember here, but I don’t remember here."
    2. yurta2013
      yurta2013 23 May 2013 06: 33 New
      0
      Quote: stock buildbat
      Just go to the archive and see how many people have been repressed and for what.

      So I would go and see what to trust in everything through false articles and books of neostalinists.
      1. Reserve buildbat
        Reserve buildbat 23 May 2013 07: 43 New
        +2
        I worked in the archive 3 of the year. At the head of the repository. You think I did not read the cases that I kept? laughing So go yourself.
  17. bairat
    bairat 22 May 2013 09: 56 New
    0
    Around the name of Stalin, there is a lot of talk, someone heard that someone said something, and very little specificity. For example, I gathered my knowledge about him, about a man who in a short time pushed the country from a sleepy agrarian to the leaders of industrial production, bit by bit from different books. Advise what you can read about him, from an adequate author, without cheers-patriotic and defeatist bounces.
    1. Buran
      Buran 22 May 2013 10: 54 New
      +3
      Collected Works of Stalin I.V.
    2. vladimirZ
      vladimirZ 22 May 2013 16: 28 New
      0
      Read a number of works by the contemporary journalist historian Elena Prudnikova, especially "Technology of the impossible. Lenin and Stalin" book 1 and "Technology of the impossible. Battle for bread" book 2.
    3. yurta2013
      yurta2013 23 May 2013 06: 44 New
      0
      Quote: bairat
      I gathered my knowledge about him, about a man who in a short time pushed the country from a sleepy agrarian to the leaders of industrial production, bit by bit from different books.

      Before reading the lying Stalinist nonsense, first try to find "bit by bit" material about the pre-revolutionary Russian "sleepy landowner" (only in no case from Stalinist sites and articles). I think then you will understand a lot in the further history of the country.
  18. Kushadasov
    Kushadasov 22 May 2013 10: 08 New
    +3
    Gozman, Svanidza and other Fedotov and Brewers - everything is clear with them, these are internal enemies of the Fatherland. They are and will be in one or another quantity. But I thought, it’s possible, for example, to the President, to take and make an appeal through all the channels of the zombie man and say, they say, dear citizens, stop being mistaken about the personality of Stalin. He was a true patriot, and all that he did was right, fair and necessary, for there was such a time. In the near future, all key documents (with accurate, not fictitious figures) that will cause controversy in our society, including and the number of so-called repressed, convicted and sentenced to VMN. We will end the disagreement and restore historical justice! "But no, he will never say that ... At least the President today. But he has access to all archives and documents. He has access to the TRUTH. Only he won’t say it, and I don’t know why ... That's why all hope is in VO and similar patriotic sites, on old people and all those who are for a just cause!
    1. yurta2013
      yurta2013 23 May 2013 06: 51 New
      0
      I hope that the current president is a smart enough person and knows the true role of Stalin in the tragedy of our country. Therefore, it is unlikely that he will side with the Stalinists, calling for a totalitarian past and representing a fairly small part of the Russian population.
  19. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 22 May 2013 10: 11 New
    +3
    How much can you beat a concrete wall with your forehead? All the same, the country has already divided into those who for Stalin whom the absolute majority seems to be, because if a person has brains and can read and analyze, he himself will soon make the right choice without any agitation of supporters of Stalin. N is the number of inadequate “human rights defenders”, but these people are deeply mentally unhealthy and give us terrible figures about three billion people who were shot, which in itself makes us doubt their mental abilities, liberals needless to even talk about them, and the authorities in Russia are so afraid of their people that would do anything to turn him into a stupid obedient, really what Stalin was here who made for the first time in many years, here is a bloody tyrant, the Russian people are proud of themselves. Here they are trying in every possible way to slander, pour mud over, compare with Hitler, etc. Here tell me why the city of Stalingrad, by which the greatest victory in the history of mankind was won, was renamed Volgog I’m glad that for the name where it comes from, you read the story of Victory near Stalingrad, you look at the map and there is some kind of Volgagrad. The Americans Attol Midway are in no hurry to rename Muhosk into Attol, why? And because for them this name is significant and means the victory of the great American people over Japs.
    1. yurta2013
      yurta2013 23 May 2013 06: 54 New
      0
      Quote: Standard Oil
      there is N number of inadequate "human rights defenders" but these people are deeply mentally unhealthy and give us terrible figures about the three billion people who were shot, which in itself makes us doubt their mental abilities

      Figures about 3 billion people shot make you doubt your mental health. At that time, approximately as many people lived on planet Earth.
  20. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 22 May 2013 10: 24 New
    +1
    Explanatory article! The creeping revisionism of our democrats, fed by the United States and the European Union, is trying to discredit our history. Unfortunately, there are very few worthy answers in the media to these provocations. And Gozman’s “broadcasts” were flooded with television and radio. I think this is the problem of our society
  21. Straga
    Straga 22 May 2013 10: 34 New
    10
    X O Z I Y S T V O

    When would you live in Europe
    Under Goebbels and Ribbentrop,
    Where is the european jew
    They threw it into the stove, warming the sky, -
    Then you would not argue:
    Who is worse - Hitler or Stalin?

    When would you live in Europe
    Under Goebbels and Ribbentrop,
    Where are the European fascists
    There were fluffy and scented
    In the soap factory where the beast
    They made soap from a Jew, -

    Then you would not argue:
    Who is worse - Hitler or Stalin?

    But farms luminaries
    Matured (including Jews),
    What Hitler thinks villainously
    The farm operated in a European way,
    And Stalin led in an Asian way,
    Behind Europeans is hellish.

    Who is worse - Hitler or Stalin,
    Which was opaque
    And brutally won the war
    Escaping Hitler from the country? ..
    But, blyam, farms of luminaries
    Ripening (including Jews), -

    That Hitler, defeating villainously,
    The economy would run European! ..

    Yunna Moritz
  22. VDV 80-82
    VDV 80-82 22 May 2013 11: 00 New
    0
    yes it’s funny just to listen to these mongrels ... their time is irrevocably gone! 80-90 years ended long ago and we understand ... that we were seriously fooled and sold for sneakers, chewing gums and other crap! Putin is still liberal with them ... he would throw this stuff out of the country ... it would become easier to breathe!
    1. SASCHAmIXEEW
      SASCHAmIXEEW 22 May 2013 13: 32 New
      0
      They didn’t fool us, we got into trouble and how we won’t be able to, but how many people don’t seem to leave, and the vouchers will recall the cheap electric energy and the whole collapse of the COUNTRY !!! Zhi.osionisty, we will reward you handsomely !!!!!
  23. Rrv
    Rrv 22 May 2013 11: 26 New
    +3
    I repeat once again: Stalin in the minds of most citizens is the personification of order and the communist idea of ​​justice.
    Blackening Stalin, in fact, they hit on the idea of ​​a just society, thereby trying to legitimize the existence of the nomenclature-kleptocratic oligarchy - the parasitic class now in power both in Russia and in the world.

    The best confirmation of the above are the words of the redhead.

    1. Rrv
      Rrv 22 May 2013 11: 29 New
      +2
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    2. yurta2013
      yurta2013 23 May 2013 07: 03 New
      0
      Quote: RRV
      Stalin in the minds of most citizens is the personification of order and the communist idea of ​​justice.

      Stalin, in the minds of most thinking citizens both in our country and around the world, is the personification of the most severe political repressions against his own people, legalized torture and concentration camps in which millions of the best representatives of the Russian and other peoples of the USSR were destroyed.
  24. Rrv
    Rrv 22 May 2013 11: 32 New
    0
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  25. knn54
    knn54 22 May 2013 11: 42 New
    +8
    It was Stalin who created such a power that they do not disintegrate, but cannot completely disintegrate. And even our defeated enemies are afraid of her. Under him there was no such moral corruption, such crime.
    Stalin is a communist. Communists say.
    Stalin is a nationalist. They say Russian nationalists.
    Stalin - scum and villain. They say scum and villains.
    Therefore, enemies, criminals, moral warbands, scum, villains are anti-Stalinists.
    PS Stalinist Russia is not the former Russia that perished along with the monarchy. But the Stalinist state without successors worthy of Stalin is doomed ... "
    De Gaulle Charles.
    It was the Russian army that released the guts from the German military machine ... "
    WINSTON CHURCHILL, from appearances 1943-1944
    "Stalin lifted Russia from the ashes. He made a great power. He defeated Hitler. He saved Russia and humanity."
    A.F. Kerensky.
    "Stalin was the first among equals in the allied coalition. The post-war domestic and foreign policies of the Stalinist state were determined primarily by Stalin’s desire to strengthen Russia's sovereign status and ensure its global interests ..."
    Generalissimo Chiang Kai-shek (Taiwan, March 7, 1953).
    “The Great Leader of our people, Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin, was gone. The great power, the social power in which our people felt their own power, which they guided in their creative works and enterprises, which he consoled for many years, was abolished. "There is no area where the deep gaze of the great Leader does not penetrate ... As a man of genius, in every business he discovered what was invisible and inaccessible to the ordinary mind." (1953)
    Alexy I, Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia 1945-1970:
    “Stalin saved Russia, showed what it means to the world. Therefore, I, as an Orthodox Christian and a Russian patriot, bow low to Stalin. "
    Archbishop Luke (Voyno-Yasenetsky), canonized as a holy Russian Orthodox Church. By the way, he sat under Stalin.
    “The name of Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin, surrounded by the greatest love of all the peoples of our country, is the banner of glory, prosperity, and greatness of our Motherland. The Russian Orthodox Church prayerfully blesses the life and work of the great leader of the country and the Red Army.”
    Metropolitan Nikolai (Yarushevich).
    "The strength of the Russian people does not lie in its size or organization, but in its ability to generate a personality of the scale of I. Stalin. In his military and political qualities, Stalin is much superior to both Churchill and Roosevelt. This is the only world politician worthy of respect. Our task is to fragment the Russian people so that people of the scale of Stalin do not appear. "
    (Adolf Gitler)
    PPS Yes, there was a personality cult, but there was a personality!
    (Mikhail Sholokhov, Nobel Prize Laureate)
    1. yurta2013
      yurta2013 23 May 2013 07: 09 New
      0
      You still sing "Hallelujah" to him and the "eternal summer."
  26. Semyon Albertovich
    Semyon Albertovich 22 May 2013 11: 43 New
    +1
    One-sided "aptistalinism", the results of the Second World War, the Soviet period of life in Russia, Russian national traditions, multinational life of the country, etc. - are exposed to overseas sages by sweeping and obviously deceitful criticism. Their marginalized agents from citizens of the Russian Federation voluntarily or involuntarily work on their concept (usually for money or vanity). This is the struggle of the US Empire for subjugating Russia to its interests; it’s better for them to have Berezovsky, Khodorkovsky, Gusinsky, Chubais, Serdyukovs, hermits, Nemtsovs, Gozmans, Vanstens, Kasyanovs, Zhukovs, Gelmans, bulk, etc. (a long list); then it’s for sure that the resources of the Russian Federation will serve the good of the American nation and to the British, Germans, French ----.
  27. Tartary
    Tartary 22 May 2013 11: 43 New
    0
    Last Thursday, Solovyov, Gozman nearly outdid N. Mikhalkov, precisely with the theme of pradas, patriotism ... He touched there and “Smersh” ...
    Glory to God cost. However, I was struck by the fact that so many viewers voted for Gozman ...
    Maybe I warned the whole gopk in advance?
    1. lewerlin53rus
      lewerlin53rus 22 May 2013 12: 19 New
      0
      Yes, no, Mikhalkov immediately became a leader and with a big margin .. But still it is very alarming that a lot of people voted for the gozman
      1. SASCHAmIXEEW
        SASCHAmIXEEW 22 May 2013 13: 43 New
        0
        And you believe these figures, yes they will draw whatever they need !!! All the media belong to the enemies of RUSSIA !!! They make people MIRROR away from reality, flatter !!!
  28. lexe
    lexe 22 May 2013 11: 49 New
    0
    If we discard all the husks of the left currents (Stalin was not right), then the main idea is Scientific and technological progress through a large cemetery. Well, and what shoes do not press? on straight legs then? And what in the scientific community is it not customary to question all? -if you wouldn’t reject everything there wouldn’t be science-and-so. And what is communism the iron law of human success? And then we don’t know at what stage of progress we can still have to kneel and crawl, but only skills will not ..
  29. Begemot
    Begemot 22 May 2013 11: 52 New
    0
    As a rule, the politically conflicted state of a person and the state of the present or forgiving is due to the presence of excessive self-esteem and the state of “unrecognized genius”, with the exception of situations when global conflicts occur between the entire population and the state. This breeds hostility and hatred from today's reality to the entire history of the country. This behavior is characteristic of the environment of potentially generating traitors. They are aware of their penchant for betrayal, which is why they also have a genetic fear that turns into frenzied hatred of those who were called to identify and suppress such people.
    1. Begemot
      Begemot 22 May 2013 12: 09 New
      -1
      OH hamsters woke up! Well, yes, yes, spring.
    2. lexe
      lexe 22 May 2013 12: 10 New
      0
      Yes, you were already criticized. Eh to see when they cut you back and reveal you - that's for sure where the enemies of the people
      1. Begemot
        Begemot 22 May 2013 13: 36 New
        +1
        Well, yes, yes, can Vasilyeva, Smetanova and Serdyukov put up monuments?
        And you’re rhetoric, dear, just in the spirit of those criticized, it’s not difficult to hang labels about enemies. It’s better to look back at your life and estimate what you have done so that our country is better, have you had time to shout and hang out at Bolotnaya?
  30. lexe
    lexe 22 May 2013 12: 19 New
    -4
    In 1937 what was it? Some cleaners were removed by other classic cleaners. So do not relax the fighters for the cleanliness of the ranks. Your system is rotten and you do not need anyone in it and the final will be the same for you as the whole people.
    1. SASCHAmIXEEW
      SASCHAmIXEEW 22 May 2013 13: 55 New
      +1
      And you, Lyaksey what will be the final? Or are you not Nashensky (albeit under our flag) And about the finale for the people, do not you crap ... Zionist crow!
      1. lexe
        lexe 22 May 2013 15: 23 New
        -2
        And what does Zionism have to do with it? I just think that terry nationalists and terry Stalinists are faithful servants of the Kremlin, it’s painfully audible on all sites. And I myself am a monarchist. Only the monarchy is time-tested, and everything else is crafty)
        1. Buran
          Buran 22 May 2013 16: 54 New
          0
          Kotova carriage to the kingdom of Aliluy drinks
        2. Rrv
          Rrv 22 May 2013 17: 06 New
          +2
          Quote: Lexi
          Only the monarchy is tested by time, and everything else from the evil one)


          And how checked! laughing
  31. nemec55
    nemec55 22 May 2013 12: 30 New
    0
    Gozman is not a surname but a sentence
    1. washi
      washi 22 May 2013 13: 20 New
      -1
      Stupid. Because of a surname you want to offend good people? There are hardworking Jews. There are Zionists, there are Financiers, there is, as among any people, simple.
      If you remove the hard workers, then the rest financed Hitler, and now they howl about genocide, although the Slavs have died more.
      Scientists, doctors, teachers, that for the fatherland worked and work, of course, are also hard workers, because I work inside, i.e. for the country, not for its opponents.
  32. Captain45
    Captain45 22 May 2013 13: 06 New
    0
    There’s a big “+” article, it’s high time to call things and people by their proper names openly, otherwise they have brainwashed with their multiculturalism and tolerance, and if in a decent society, you can name P.I. .d.a.r.sa.som that N.S. Khrushchev did not hesitate to do at the famous exhibition, then he will take his rightful place and will not appear more in a decent society, and if he dares to lean out, then chances he will have no communication.
  33. a
    a 22 May 2013 13: 58 New
    -4
    It is not necessary to equate antistalism with the rehabilitation of fascism. The author who wrote this is simply cheating. Fascism is a great evil that has brought great suffering to our country. Stalinism is also evil. I think no less. Yes, under Stalin, we were able to defeat the Nazis. But who allowed such a situation that we were attacked? And in general, what did this satrap make from our country ???? we still disentangle his rule. and will do it for a long time. Russian tsars are not suited to this butcher in terms of the level of damage that he inflicted on the country
    1. Reserve buildbat
      Reserve buildbat 22 May 2013 14: 08 New
      +3
      Learn the story. Bringing an agrarian half-ravaged country into industry leaders and creating a mighty state - is it a damage? smile
      Then the tagged was correctly awarded - the collapse of the Great Country - this is progress straight laughing
      Just compare the country before Stalin and after. Then consider where the damage is.
      1. a
        a 22 May 2013 14: 22 New
        -4
        Well, yes, to fill up the country with the corpses of gratuitous labor force during industrialization, this is probably progress. to slander the army and the creative elite is probably also progress.
        Before WOSR, Russia was a patriarchal power. Almost not industrialized. But why, for some reason, everyone reckoned with her. No one in Europe could do anything without asking for the opinion of the Sovereign. And one wonders why it was necessary to ruin millions of lives for the sake of industrialization? What do we have from this industrialization now? The country is again sliding into patriarchy.
        Judging as the author of this article, then we must admit that the Decembrists were not driven by the desire for their homeland to live better, but money from abroad ..
    2. stroporez
      stroporez 22 May 2013 14: 21 New
      0
      they attacked England, France and others, but the shoto wasn’t audible; Churchill’s Schaub was watered in England by slops. But he also "allowed them to be attacked" .........
      Quote: uno
      we still disentangle his rule.
      if he weren’t there, then there would be nothing to slander now ...............
      1. a
        a 22 May 2013 14: 27 New
        -2
        is not a fact. before Stalin, Russia who just did not attempt. from Teuton to Turks, Poles and other aggressors. however, our old survived to Stalin. so there is no convincing evidence that in the absence of Stalin our country was conquered by someone. It is likely that under a different leader, the Second World War would not have reached and there would have been no millions of victims of our Soviet people who died not in the war, but in Stalin’s dungeons
        1. Misantrop
          Misantrop 22 May 2013 14: 35 New
          +2
          Quote: uno
          It is likely that under a different leader it would not have reached the Second World War

          Decrypt. The Third Reich was focused exclusively on external expansion. And how was it necessary to prevent a war with him? Surrender or come forward as a united front? Other options as it were not visible ... request
          1. a
            a 22 May 2013 14: 51 New
            -4
            and that the Third Reich was one expansionist force in history? Bonaparte also dreamed of conquering everything and everyone. I think that his 600th army for his time was no less than Hitler's. But they kicked Bonaparte. Moreover, almost without involving the civilian population. and then everyone said that Russia is a backward country. Why do you think that without Stalin we would not have expelled the Nazis? there is at least one example when the people living in Russia in some centuries did not expel someone from their lands ??
            All imperial countries are focused on expansion. Britain, Russia, Japan, China, Germany. Now is the USA. This is nothing new. But note that whatever the relationship between the various empires, the status quo remains. and I think it will be so in the future.
            as for your question directly. then I just expressed my opinion. if Stalin weren’t in power, then history could have taken a different path. including not so bloody, which she eventually went.
            1. tixon444
              tixon444 22 May 2013 22: 36 New
              +1
              Quote: uno
              if Stalin weren’t in power, then history could have taken a different path. including not so bloody, which she eventually went.

              "History does not know the subjunctive mood," said JV Stalin in an interview with German writer Emil Ludwig. If so, then men would give birth. No one was given to know how everything would turn out, maybe there would be disproportionately more victims. One thing is clear - as Hitler came to power, so the race began, someone who. Or we are them, or they are us. There was no third. We are now backwardly powerful, as they say, everyone imagines himself a strategist, seeing the battle from the side. And then, being in a hostile environment there was no time to dismiss the nurse: the unwritten law should inevitably work out: whoever is not with us is against us.
        2. Reserve buildbat
          Reserve buildbat 22 May 2013 14: 44 New
          +3
          "Millions of victims" laughing Forced to repeat - learn history. And Hitler would attack anyway. It was the USSR that he considered the main goal.
          1. a
            a 22 May 2013 14: 58 New
            -1
            Well, he was attacked .. not the first and not the last to attack. not the fact that under another ruler we lost 27 million of our citizens
          2. a
            a 22 May 2013 15: 05 New
            -3
            Quote: stock buildbat
            Forced to repeat - learn history.


            In open sources, the figure is from 11 million to more than 30 million victims of Stalinist repression. Including the executed and the dead, several million. In the USSR, such figures were not given in history lessons. Well, after all, in the USSR a lot of things were not said at all. Are you a construction battalion stock or a doctor of historical sciences? Everyone sends me to learn history, but they themselves seem to be at odds with it
            1. Misantrop
              Misantrop 22 May 2013 15: 33 New
              0
              Quote: uno
              In open sources, the figure is from 11 million to more than 30 million victims of Stalinist repression. Including the executed and the dead, several million.

              Why not billions? Millions do not sound, become familiar. Add the population of both Americas, Germany and Africa to the list of victims of Stalin. After all, the lack of help is also repression laughing
              1. yurta2013
                yurta2013 23 May 2013 07: 21 New
                0
                Quote: Misantrop
                After all, the lack of help is also repression

                Do you understand what you said?
        3. Rrv
          Rrv 22 May 2013 15: 02 New
          0
          Quote: uno
          and there would be no millions of victims of our Soviet people who died not in the war, but in the Stalinist dungeons


          Kindly in more detail and with reference to the source - how many millions of victims, under what articles were convicted? Or weak? laughing
          1. a
            a 22 May 2013 15: 20 New
            -1
            you understand that your question is incorrect. no one has yet been able to calculate the exact number of victims of Stalinist repression. if you want some numbers, ask the appropriate question in a search engine thread and you will get the desired one. there are many numbers. moreover, still of Soviet origin. so if you want to get acquainted with the numbers, go for it. it's not hard. if the whole point of your question was in the phrase “Weak?”, then I must say that this trick has long been inactive in discussions. as a rule, it shows a person’s lack of communication culture. and something else. but I’ll keep silent about this otherwise the moders will ban :)
            1. Misantrop
              Misantrop 22 May 2013 15: 34 New
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              Quote: uno
              no one has yet been able to calculate the exact number of victims of Stalinist repression

              And Yezhov and his assistants will also be included in the list of repressed?
            2. Rrv
              Rrv 22 May 2013 15: 41 New
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              Japanese downtown!

              Firstly, before discussing my culture of communication, if you please learn to write a personal appeal with a capital letter. smile

              Secondly, what do you mean by repression? Repression is the execution of punitive functions by the state, punishment by the verdict of a court or other legitimate body - no more and no less! Chikatilo and Pichushkin were also repressed!

              And thirdly - thanks to your questions and the search engine you have the number of "victims" with an error of almost 300% - this is not statistics, no more or less accurate data, but nonsense.
              The first de-stabilizer was more meticulous than you laughing
              1. a
                a 22 May 2013 15: 49 New
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                1. I will not. I write as I see fit and possible
                2. There’s nothing to discuss here. we are not talking about criminal repression
                3. if you are fixated on only one Vick, I don’t even know what to say. look at other materials besides wiki. there are accurate data on the repressed.
                1. Rrv
                  Rrv 22 May 2013 16: 55 New
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                  Quote: uno
                  1. I will not. I write as I see fit and possible
                  2. There’s nothing to discuss here. we are not talking about criminal repression
                  3. if you are fixated on only one Vick, I don’t even know what to say. look at other materials besides wiki. there are accurate data on the repressed.

                  1 Oh double standards? laughing “I am writing as I see fit, but at the same time I demand from others that they write as I see fit”? laughing

                  2 We are talking about criminal repressions, there are simply no others - everything that goes beyond the framework of the Criminal Code was a crime, and those who committed lawlessness responded to the same Criminal Code.

                  3 No need for pedagogy: the picture presented is a copy of the official telegram. A reference to other materials, all the more without reference to the latter, is verbiage.
                  1. a
                    a 22 May 2013 17: 54 New
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                    1. no double standards. asking me for links and saying weakly you revealed a well-known trick in the discussion, when in fact there is nothing to say to go into verbiage, ask for links. this is what I called the lack of a culture of discussion. I appeal to you exclusively to you.
                    2. Well, yes. anti-Soviet activities are exclusively criminal cases. once again I am convinced that you do not have a culture of communication.
                    3. Verbiage is to write weakly. you need materials - I showed you the way, go and see. but even your telegram indicates that the repressed are millions. By the way, other people here give links with different numbers. and they say that this is the truth :) in any case, the repressed millions. corpses are millions. only executed about a million. but how many convicts who carried out "industrialization" died? and how many died of hunger? or starving because they wanted to eat, went on a hunger strike?
                    1. Rrv
                      Rrv 22 May 2013 18: 34 New
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                      1 UFO you make unfounded statements without reinforcing anything without reinforcing your words.
                      I know that there are no documents proving your correctness in nature.
                      based on the foregoing, my reaction is logical because you are nonsense and doing this apparently not because of a mistake.

                      2 an example of an analogue of anti-Soviet activity in the modern period is a call for the violent overthrow of the constitutional system.
                      how much the criminal case determines the specific legislation in force for a certain period of time and not your understanding of what is good and what is bad.

                      3 not millions and millions, but up to 4 millions and not more than 800000 - my figures fit into at least a statistical error. )))
                      but how much has died and everything else you can find on the website of the commission for rehabilitation but you don’t need it?
                      1. yurta2013
                        yurta2013 23 May 2013 07: 27 New
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                        Quote: RRV
                        I know that there are no documents proving your correctness in nature.

                        "I only know that I know nothing!" - Learn modesty from Socrates.
                      2. yurta2013
                        yurta2013 23 May 2013 13: 42 New
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                        Quote: RRV
                        A criminal case determines the specific legislation in force for a certain period of time and not your understanding of what is good and what is bad.

                        Following your logic, you must recognize that political affairs do not exist in principle, since both in the Stalinist era and in our time, condemnation of them took place in accordance with the criminal law. And not only here, but also in other countries. Consequently, it can be considered criminals, for example, the German Communists imprisoned in fascist camps for the "arson of the Reichstag", or our Decembrists in 1825.
                      3. yurta2013
                        yurta2013 23 May 2013 14: 15 New
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                        Quote: RRV
                        not millions and millions, but up to 4 millions and not more than 800000

                        In just two years of "great terror" from October 1, 1936 to November 1, 1938, according to the certificate of the 1st special department of the NKVD of the USSR on the number of people arrested and convicted, 1565041 people were arrested. Of these, 668305 people were shot.
                        However, the repression did not begin in the autumn of 1936, but in 1934. From that time until 1938, more than 2 million people were arrested. But even after 1938, during the Second World War and until the beginning of the 50s. the repressive machine continued to operate, albeit with a lower number of revolutions. How much has been repressed over these 15 years so far, as far as I know, no one really knows. It can be assumed that only among the civilian population within the country, at least a million people were affected. We add to them about 5 million repressed "repatriates" (who returned to the USSR from among those who were stolen to Germany) and "Harbins" (former residents and workers of the CER), at least 1 million former Soviet prisoners of war from German camps, and about 2 million (381 thousand families) sent to the poorly populated areas (north) of the kulak families. As a result, we get at least 11 million repressed, of which at least a million were shot and several unidentified millions died in special settlements and camps. At least 3 million more died as a result of the famine organized by the Stalin regime in 1932-34. Total, at least 14 million different categories of victims (not counting the convicted accomplices of the Nazis, the “Bandera” and others).
            3. Captain45
              Captain45 22 May 2013 16: 42 New
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              Source: http://www.psj.ru/blog/chest/1790.php here is a link to an article about repressions, read, make sure.
              1. a
                a 22 May 2013 16: 53 New
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                Make sure of what? were there millions of repressed? I was convinced. - millions. However, without your link, I knew what numbers were in question.
  34. lilit.193
    lilit.193 22 May 2013 14: 12 New
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    This is just the topic !!!
    "The collective Stalin is brewing among the people"
  35. lexe
    lexe 22 May 2013 15: 13 New
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    Yes, color blindness is flourishing .. No, let’s fly separately cutlets separately. Stalin, the primary scoundrel was in the company of his friends Lenin-Trotsky. The executioners were competent and ideological. We will only judge them in Russia, and not somewhere else without them We’ll create all sorts of Kremlin puppets and a wall not crying but howling! Moreover, without any guilt complexes there, but with a feeling of complete satisfaction that we are not the end of the population, but we are still the people. And all the neighbors who want to squeeze out money for rudely send our grief to ... Our grandfathers paid all the debts to Europe for 1000 years onward, how much did Hitler want to ariet there? Yes, and I'm not a nationalist, I remember that in the trenches of World War II there are still Russians and Jews facing west to a common enemy. We already had False Dmitry, then the media and TV were not there then, it saved us then. The technologies of poisoning people were already up to the mark (in the West they knew their business). And now it's just Disneyland then!))) A mausoleum in the heart of the country. Peter in the Leningrad Region, a madhouse in short. It would be necessary to plunge as at baptism in order to wash away sins and move on. 2 years have passed .. And who rules us today? communists?
  36. Skunk
    Skunk 22 May 2013 15: 40 New
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    Minus your article. complete.
    Again wishful thinking:
    Anti-Stalinists long rejected and despised by society ...

    You convince yourself and your kind:
    Anti-Stalinism is criminal ...

    You think about it yourself - one writes fantastic stories about the reign of Stalin in Russia, and everyone applauds him and asks for a door to show to this magical country. The second ones say that it would be good to meat everyone who is against their god. And others compare the opponents of their idol with the Nazis. The fourth groans in general - revive Dzhugashvili, return everything back. Some community of aggressive dreamers turns out. It's all dangerous ... laughing
    You better create a religion or sect - Stalinism. There is an image of God, you will pray at night, on Sundays or Saturdays you will gather in prayer houses, let off steam. Again, aggression will be reduced, "life will be easier, life will be more fun" - as your idol seemed to say.
  37. Captain45
    Captain45 22 May 2013 16: 21 New
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    "But neither Stalin nor his sympathizers called themselves Stalinists, and none of them used the very term" Stalinism. " As far as I remember, the term "Stalinists" was introduced by the followers of Leiba Bronstein after they were defeated in the discussion at the party conference.
  38. Alf
    Alf 22 May 2013 17: 23 New
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    What to take from a gozman, he will die a Jew!
    1. Gari
      Gari 22 May 2013 17: 31 New
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      Quote: Alf
      What to take from a gozman, he will die a Jew!

      Karl Radek said:
      "Moses led the Jews out of Egypt, and Stalin - from the Politburo."
  39. yurta2013
    yurta2013 22 May 2013 17: 58 New
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    The article by S. Chernyakhovsky can be considered the most radical and aggressive manifestation of the wildest "cave" Stalinism. A characteristic feature of the latter is a specific logic, or rather the absence of any logic in the argument. So, the main thesis of the article is the statement that anti-Stalinists consider military counterintelligence of the period of the Second World War a criminal organization. Chernyakhovsky cites the words allegedly uttered by Gozman to prove this absurd statement. Actually, I also consider myself a convinced anti-Stalinist, but to my shame I don’t know at all who Gozman is, and I don’t understand why they attributed the personal opinion of some Gozman. In logic, such an error is called a hasty generalization. However, it is often allowed intentionally, in order to mislead people who are poorly versed in formal logic (or do not know what it is). Such a deliberate mistake is called sophism. Already this mistake alone is enough to admit the absurdity of the whole article, since the author proceeds in his further discussion precisely from the first thesis: Gozman = all anti-Stalinists. "However, logical errors follow in the article one after another.
    1. yurta2013
      yurta2013 22 May 2013 18: 20 New
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      The second mistake of the author of the article: He claims that the term "Stalinism" has an unscientific character, since the "sympathizers of Stalin" do not call themselves that, and terms of this kind are self-names. In fact, scientific terms are just designations of concepts, which, in turn, are a tool for understanding the world around us. And it doesn’t matter, the term is a self-name or a nickname. For example, we call Germans Germans, and they themselves are Deutsch. The French generally seem to call them Alemans. By the way, I wonder how the Stalinists themselves call themselves? Or have they still not come up with a name for themselves?
      1. yurta2013
        yurta2013 22 May 2013 18: 31 New
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        3rd error of the author of the article: He claims that if Nazism and Stalinism (according to anti-Stalinists) are equally criminal, then Nazism, therefore, becomes less criminal. Meanwhile, such a conclusion does not follow logically from these premises. Even a person completely unfamiliar with logic is able to understand all his absurdity.
        1. yurta2013
          yurta2013 22 May 2013 18: 42 New
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          The 4th error of the author of the article: The author claims that the anti-Stalinists have “personal inferiority”, “monkey beginning”, “protesting against humanity in a person”, that is, “tension and orientation towards mobilization”. In fact, it has long been known that a person differs from a monkey not in “tension” and not in “orientation toward mobilization,” but primarily in its greater ability to logical thinking. Thus, the “monkey beginning” is manifested precisely in the work of S. Chernyakhovsky, who is not able to logically express his thoughts.
          1. yurta2013
            yurta2013 22 May 2013 18: 54 New
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            The 5th logical mistake of the author of the article: He claims that anti-Stalinism is "the rejection of everything and hatred of everything, including the position that the USSR occupied in the world as a result of victory in the Second World War." And then he writes that "the first form of anti-Stalinism is actually Hitlerism and Nazism." It remains to ask the author: how "Hitlerism" destroyed in 1945 could hate the place in the world occupied by the USSR after its victory over him.
            1. tixon444
              tixon444 22 May 2013 23: 05 New
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              Quote: yurta2013
              It remains to ask the author: how "Hitlerism" destroyed in 1945 could hate the place in the world occupied by the USSR after its victory over him.

              What is the difference, as the Western horde was called, which attacked our Motherland in 41, fascism, Hitlerism, Nazism, democracy, liberalism, it doesn’t matter to us that it is Stalin who drove the aspen stake into this reptile, and he will never be forgiven for this those "destroyed in 1945" and their descendants, and I personally never doubted that, unfortunately, they could not be completely destroyed.
  40. Buran
    Buran 23 May 2013 00: 57 New
    +1
    I am not a Stalinist and not an anti-Stalinist, I'm just a Russian person who will not spit in the past to please anyone. The families of both my grandfathers were repressed. One died before my birth, and the other whose father was sent to the White Sea Canal, and his wife and seven children in a cattle truck were sent to Transbaikalia, never from him, regimental reconnaissance artilleryman, nor did I hear from his grandson or my mother, his daughter a bad word about Stalin, but there are many colorful epithets about Khrushchev and the Tagged.
    1. yurta2013
      yurta2013 23 May 2013 05: 57 New
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      Quote: Buran
      never from him, the regimental reconnaissance artilleryman nor, I, his grandson nor my mother, his daughter have ever heard a bad word about Stalin

      Perhaps your father, for some reason, really did not want to say anything about Stalin. But you really don’t want to figure out why the families of both your grandfathers were repressed, for what they suffered and who is to blame? Was it really your ancestors themselves to blame for having plundered them, tore them out of their native places and sent to hell on small cakes, to work for the Stalin regime for free?
      1. Buran
        Buran 23 May 2013 08: 09 New
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        And he told, and I know why, one was a merchant, the other, he filled the face with the chairman of the collective farm when he took the only cow from the yard to the collective farm. I repeat my grandfather never spoke badly of Stalin. Stalin did not steal cows for the collective farm.
        PS By the way, that chairman did so much evil to the people that when he died, they couldn’t bury him at local cemeteries, they dug and threw him away, they buried him in a neighboring area.
        1. yurta2013
          yurta2013 23 May 2013 13: 26 New
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          Quote: Buran
          one was a merchant; the other, the chairman of the collective farm, filled the muzzle when he took the only cow from the yard to the collective farm.

          Do you consider the fact that your grandfather was a merchant sufficient reason for political repression? And further. Have you ever wondered how many peasants from your grandfather’s village suffered except him in the 30s? About 12-13 years ago I was engaged in local history in the region of the town of Artyom of the Primorsky Territory. So, according to the old-timers, in the village of Krolevets, not far from Artyom, at least a third of the population suffered various types of repression, and about the same number fled from the village, hastily sold their property to the Artyom mines and other cities. Now there are 2 or 3 families of descendants of those first inhabitants left there. Almost all of the current population of Krolevets are immigrants of the 30s and 60s from the western regions of the country. The same situation in all other rural settlements around Artyom.
  41. Perch_xnumx
    Perch_xnumx 23 May 2013 09: 08 New
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    Quote: RRV
    I repeat once again - everyone proved without me. If you think that the accusation is falsified, justify.
    They have not proven anything. Under torture, you confess to anything and sign the testimony. People were honest, humane and conscientious. Therefore, there is no respect for you. You are separate and we are separate and who you are is understandable. Today, they completely agree with the Stalin sentences to your brothers, and tomorrow they will agree with the sentences sent to you by torture.
    Because of godlessness and debauchery, misfortune will come to our land.
    1. Rrv
      Rrv 23 May 2013 13: 29 New
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      Listen, stop carrying this crap:

      They didn’t prove it, but they put and shot him, moreover, in accordance with the party’s policy? And to whom and why was it needed? Were they all chikatilami there?
      Again - did they act in accordance with the existing legislation? Yes. So the question lies not in the plane of enforcement, but in the plane of the quality of legislation (you can shoot for agitation, or not, you can burn for double-fisted, or you can’t).

      Under torture? No, torture could be hypothetically possible, but were they, and if they were, were they official politics? The church torture was an official policy, the modern cops have them, but unofficially. Is there evidence of torture? No. Therefore, your statements at the moment are speculation.

      About honest and humane people is not necessary - people are different, but the dignity of holiness does not add. At the expense of conscientiousness and humanity, tell REGULARLY those who were dying of hunger in Tsarist Russia, rotting in the monastery dungeons and forced to work on their former land for a "strong master" of the kulak, who gave loans at interest that the Jews did not even dream about, then hired bandagers so that they would they grabbed the borrower, and in the end he took the land from the latter.

      I am not a Stalinist, a Stalinist is made of me by people like you with their unproven stuffing and the assertion that all those who sat and were shot were saints at that time.

      And at the expense of godlessness ... Tell me, do you really not see the obvious, or do not want to see?