Georg von Haase: Reflections on the Battle of Jutland

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Georg von Haase: Reflections on the Battle of Jutland
A full broadside from the battlecruiser Derfflinger


Translation of the epilogue to Georg von Haase's book "Two White Nations" (Georg von Haase "Zwei weisse Völker").
Author: Georg von Haase
Translation: Slug_BDMP




When the sun rose on the morning of June 1st, the German fleet was at the latitude of Horns Reef, that is, at the same degree of latitude where the Danish city of Esbjerg is located. And when we could not detect the enemy anywhere around, at that moment, I confess frankly, it was as if a stone had fallen from my heart: with our ship shot at, and especially with our thinned artillery, we couldn't have fought a successful battle with a large warship whose artillery remained intact. I had already expended almost all the ammunition in the Anna and Bertha turrets, and the remaining ammunition in the Caesar and Dora turrets was inaccessible, as the turrets were still filled with toxic gases and the magazines were flooded.

But for the sake of our fleet and our fatherland, I deeply regret that a decisive battle did not come. And undoubtedly, this circumstance was a great pain and a dashed hope for our fleet commander, Admiral Scheer. It would have been easy for the British to engage us in battle early in the morning. After all, their cruisers and destroyers remained in contact with us all night. Consequently, the British commander-in-chief received continuous radio updates on our every move. And it would have been the greatest fortune for our fatherland if a battle had finally come to pass at Horns Reef, not far from Heligoland. Judging by the experience of May 31, more than one British ship would have been destroyed, and a colossal expenditure of ammunition would have been required to completely disable the German battleships.

Had Jellicoe engaged in a decisive battle at Horns Reef on June 1, the British fleet would undoubtedly have been forced to cede its place as the world's most powerful navy to America. I readily admit that the complete destruction of Jellicoe's fleet on June 1 was out of the question. But as someone who knows our ships and our naval gunnery well, as well as British ships and their gunnery, and based on my gunnery experience gained in the Battle of Skagerrak, I can confidently assert that a naval battle between the British and German battlefleets, if fought to its conclusion, would have cost the enemy a very large number of capital ships.

On May 31, after his withdrawal from the "lion's claws," Admiral Scheer no longer had the opportunity to reorganize his fleet into a new, tactically advantageous formation before nightfall. A night battle between two such powerful fleets was impossible. Despite all the necessary markings for a night battle, a wild melee would inevitably ensue, with ship-to-ship collisions, with no certainty as to whether it was enemy or friend. But even if we, as "daring gamblers," had attempted to force a night battle, the British fleet was to avoid it! In a night battle, they would have lost all the advantages of their numerical superiority, greater speed, and long-range artillery, leaving everything to chance.

Jellicoe did quite right when he broke away from us in the evening and during the night led his squadrons away so skillfully that our destroyer flotillas, systematically combing the battlefield area, were never able to detect them.

And strategically, he acted absolutely correctly by not accepting battle again on June 1st. By using the English fleet as a "fleet in being," that is, simply by its existence, he had fully accomplished the task assigned to him up to that point. The Battle of Skagerrak did not interrupt the pressure exerted by the English fleet's mere presence for a moment. If Jellicoe had not accepted the Battle of Skagerrak on May 31st and, wishing to preserve his fleet intact, had instead withdrawn to the protected harbor of Scapa Flow, we would have been able to fulfill our assigned mission—conducting cruiser warfare in Skagerrak and Kattegat—and thereby, for a time, gain supremacy in the North Sea. However, it was the Battle of Skagerrak that prevented our accomplishment.

But by refusing to attack our fleet on June 1st, heading for German minefields and home ports, Jellicoe never for a moment relinquished command of the sea. Why should he have to trade pieces again in this strategic chess game, if his position was such that checkmate was inevitable?

Jellicoe returned to Scapa Flow. Later, when he ceded his position as Commander-in-Chief to Beatty and the King elevated him to Lord, he received the title "Viscount Scapa." At the time, many in Germany, and probably in England as well, scoffed at the admiral's willingness to be named after the desolate place where his fleet had been anchored for nearly four years. Yet it was precisely this four-year anchorage of the English fleet that decisively contributed to the fact that our entire navy had to be brought there, where it now rests at the bottom of Scapa Flow. What a triumph for "Viscount Scapa"! When England's faith in victory was greatly shaken after the Battle of Skagerrak, Churchill published a series of articles on the war on land and at sea in the October issue of the London Magazine. What he said there about the naval war and the Battle of Skagerrak is, in my opinion, correct. Unfortunately! We should have learned the following lesson from this: the English fleet engages only outside our minefields and at a respectful distance from our submarine bases and coastal fortifications. And yet, we absolutely had to strive for a decisive naval battle if we were to ever try to break free from the iron grip with which England strangles us. Consequently, we had to seek out the English fleet on its own shores and engage it there.

It was objected that submarine warfare could only be waged with an intact high-seas fleet, since our naval ports would be hopelessly blockaded if we lost our fleet. To this, it must be said: firstly, a battle with an enemy fleet by no means meant the a priori loss of our entire fleet. Skagerrak, perhaps, proved this. And secondly, our remaining naval forces—cruisers, old battleships, and torpedo boats—combined with our submarines, minelayers, minesweepers, airships, aircraft, and coastal fortifications, would have been sufficient to continue submarine warfare. Moreover, we still had the Kattegat as an outlet for our submarines. In Flanders, submarine warfare was waged without a fleet at all and under far more difficult circumstances than those we experienced in the North Sea. And the decisive battle of the fleets was supposed to make submarine warfare unnecessary, putting an end to the war with a quick outcome.

I don't want to dampen our joy at our partial victory over the English fleet at Skagerrak with these reflections. But what ultimately happens with this victory is what ultimately happens with every single victory we have at sea and on land: it failed to lead the German people to final victory. And yet, at the time, it acted like a font of steel for the fleet, giving the German people new strength and confidence in the future and doing much to enhance Germany's prestige. It was a difficult day for England when we sent 10,000 English sailors to the bottom of the sea along with the pride of the English fleet, while just over 2,000 German sailors had to give their lives under the victorious flag.

An extract from Churchill's articles in the London Magazine (Autumn 1916), printed separately in the Foreign Press of the Imperial Naval Office, is appended.

I conclude my account of the greatest day at sea that we Germans have ever lived through with the wish that my little book and Churchill's article may make many Germans more aware of the enormous influence that command of the sea had on world affairs. history and will continue to do so. And I express the hope that in the coming years more than one German, proud to be a German and a sailor, will feel the breath of the sea breeze.

Yes, we have become a poor people. Yes, our national honor has been grievously humiliated. But we must not lose the courage to undertake new endeavors because of this. Let us remember these words:

Lost money - lost nothing!
Lost honor - lost a lot!
Lose courage - lose everything!
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  1. +4
    3 June 2026 07: 46
    What is the purpose of a navy? To ensure freedom of merchant shipping. Now let's look at the map. The English navy will ALWAYS occupy a flanking position relative to German trade routes. This means that as long as England, hostile to Germany, exists, the German merchant navy will never see freedom of navigation.
    Conclusion: attempting to compete with the RN is pointless. There are two options: either capture, complete military victory, or alliance. Fighting is futile.
    Tirpitz and Vasily Fedorovich could have figured it out themselves.
    1. 0
      3 June 2026 10: 01
      Quote: Grossvater
      What is the purpose of a navy? To ensure freedom of merchant shipping. Now let's look at the map. The English navy will ALWAYS occupy a flanking position relative to German trade routes. This means that as long as England, hostile to Germany, exists, the German merchant navy will never see freedom of navigation.
      Conclusion: attempting to compete with the RN is pointless. There are two options: either capture, complete military victory, or alliance. Fighting is futile.
      Tirpitz and Vasily Fedorovich could have figured it out themselves.

      Germany planned to quickly deal with France, not stage grand fleet battles and sit in the trenches. This was achieved in 1870, and by 1914 the Entente was already in place. But there were deviations from the Schlieffen Plan.
    2. +2
      3 June 2026 10: 05
      Quote: Grossvater
      What is the purpose of a navy? To ensure freedom of merchant shipping.

      As a theoretical "super task" - yes, technically it is implemented through blocking the merchant fleet of the opposing side... You are absolutely right to note that the geography of Germany does not facilitate the classic solution of the problem with a surface fleet, and therefore the German submarine school was the best of its time... By the way, the lesson was not sufficiently learned after the First World War, Hitler, impressed by the "majesty" of the so-called pocket cruisers, again gave priority to surface ships (the pinnacle being the "Tirpitz"), which found themselves safely locked in the bays, while the submariners, pushed into the background, managed to sink American transports with weapons and oil even off the coast of the USA

      P.S. Geographically, Russia's position in the Baltic and Black Seas is not much better, judging by the press of recent years - while the reaction to the appearance of Russian surface warships is rather restrained, suspicions about the appearance of submarines in the Atlantic (the coasts of England and France) are causing almost media hysteria.
      1. +5
        3 June 2026 13: 04
        Quote: Rodez
        By the way, the lesson was not sufficiently learned after the First World War; Hitler, impressed by the "majesty" of the so-called pocket cruisers, again gave priority to surface ships.

        This isn't true. Hitler didn't plan to irritate England; he didn't even want to fight them, so the navy was designed to counter the French fleet, not the British. Meanwhile, the British were very relaxed about Germany's surface ships (they had many more anyway), but they watched the submarines with bated breath. The lessons of WWI were too painful...
        Therefore, the construction of submarines was impossible for political reasons. And even if they had begun construction, nothing would have been achieved, because in that case Britain would have immediately begun strengthening its anti-submarine forces.
        Simply put, if the Germans had magically acquired 300 submarines with trained crews in 1940, they would have crushed England with a naval blockade. But if they had begun building such a fleet in the 30s, England would have responded immediately, and 300 submarines would no longer have been enough to strangle the British.
        1. +2
          3 June 2026 15: 05
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          Hitler did not plan to irritate England, he did not want to fight with it at all

          I completely agree with this... but with the rest - I don't really agree

          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          the fleet was designed to confront the French fleet, not the British

          It wasn't that the fleet was being sharpened, but the British (the agreement of 35) sharpened it against the continent by limiting its tonnage, and, by the way, the submarine fleet was much less limited by this agreement.

          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          the construction of the submarine was impossible for political reasons

          In order to maintain their competences in circumvention of the Treaty of Versailles, the Germans, back in 22, opened a dummy shipyard in Holland that specialized in building submarines.

          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          The British were very relaxed about Germany's surface ships (they had many more anyway)

          When the British calculated the forces needed to be concentrated to sink the Bismarck, they actually shed tears. After the loss of the Hood, a direct military confrontation was abandoned and the German surface fleet was practically trapped, and if attacked, it would be from the air.

          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          This is not true

          According to Dönitz's memoirs, at the end of 38, a plan was approved for the construction of a fleet with a clear emphasis on surface ships, about 6 additional Bismarck-class ships and only a little more than two hundred submarines... Dönitz categorically disagreed with this, but could do little
          1. +4
            3 June 2026 15: 43
            Quote: Rodez
            It wasn't the fleet that was being sharpened, but the British (the agreement of 35) who were sharpening it against the continent.

            They had no such options. In fact, the simplest way to "sharpen" the Germans against the continent was to prohibit them from expanding their fleet at all, keeping it under the iron grip of post-war agreements.
            Quote: Rodez
            limited in tonnage and, by the way, the submarine fleet was much less limited by this treaty

            Everything was limited, another issue is that the Germans did not have time to build a fleet before the restrictions were introduced by WWII.
            Quote: Rodez
            In order to maintain their competences in circumvention of the Treaty of Versailles, the Germans, back in 22, opened a dummy shipyard in Holland that specialized in building submarines.

            True, the competencies were retained. That's all.
            Quote: Rodez
            When the British calculated the forces needed to be concentrated to sink the Bismarck, they actually shed tears; after the loss of the Hood, a direct military clash was put to rest.

            This had never happened before. The British continued to concentrate surface forces to intercept German battleships, and once they succeeded (Scharnhorst).
            Quote: Rodez
            According to Doenitz's memoirs, at the end of 38 a plan for the construction of a fleet was approved with a clear emphasis on surface ships

            That's exactly it. But by this point, Hitler already felt he could ignore any treaties.
            1. +1
              3 June 2026 17: 13
              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              What are we talking about

              My thesis was that the German high command gave preference to the development of a surface fleet, rather than a submarine one... Doenitz considered this a mistake in view of the geographical introductory information presented above and correctly by the esteemed Grandfather, and I, from my "sofa", also did so; the experience of the war confirmed the admiral's fears and the correctness of the matter.

              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              competencies were retained. And only

              not only... they "rolled out" at the end of the war the most advanced submarine of its time (the U-boat type 21, as well as ballistic, jet and stealth aviation), however, in view of all the above - too late
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              2. +1
                4 June 2026 08: 06
                Quote: Rodez
                My thesis was that the German high command gave preference to the development of the surface fleet rather than the submarine fleet.

                I can’t agree, a balanced fleet was built there, which was correct.
                Quote: Rodez
                Dönitz considered this a mistake

                Experience has shown that submarines are useless in the ocean without the support of surface ships. The Germans, having built over 1100 submarines, failed to achieve success.
                Quote: Rodez
                not only... they rolled out at the end of the war the most advanced boat of its time

                Sergey, we were talking about pre-war submarine construction. What does the Type 21 have to do with it?
            2. +3
              3 June 2026 18: 14
              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              They didn't have such opportunities.

              Don't take me for a bore, but Dönitz disagrees with you... I read his "Zen Yare und Zvantzich Tage"... an abridged translation under, I don't remember what title (and if I'm not mistaken), was published by Voenizdat back in the 60s or early 70s, I personally am not familiar with subsequent reprints, even by rumor... If the "stars align" and you come across it in the "open spaces", I recommend it
              1. +1
                4 June 2026 08: 01
                Quote: Rodez
                Don't take me for a bore, but Denits disagrees with you...

                What? That the British couldn't send the Germans to the continent? Churchill disagreed with Dönitz, though he very well described the political dynamics that led to WWII in England. I'm sure you've read the first two volumes of the six-volume The Second World War.
          2. +5
            3 June 2026 16: 13
            Quote: Rodez
            When the British calculated the forces needed to be concentrated to sink the Bismarck, they actually shed tears. After the loss of the Hood, a direct military confrontation was abandoned and the German surface fleet was practically trapped, and if attacked, it would be from the air.

            There was no cross there. The Limeys repeatedly dispatched battle-carrier groups to provide distant cover for convoys, expecting to encounter the last German battleship or one of the sub-battleships. All the while, they constantly risked running into a submarine.
            It was the Germans who put an end to a direct military confrontation: the Tirpitz twice managed to escape combat with the Allied "big pots," receiving information in time that it was at risk of interception. The first time, it was actually intercepted, but a headwind prevented the British Albacores from executing their classic "star raid" formation. They failed to slow down, and the battleship escaped.
            But the Scharnhorst was unlucky - Fraser's group managed to remain undetected. smile
            1. +3
              3 June 2026 16: 59
              Quote: Alexey RA
              They sent battleship groups to provide distant cover for convoys, expecting to encounter the last German battleship or one of the sub-battleships. While doing so, they constantly risked running into a submarine.

              This is exactly what Doenitz had in mind when he proposed his strategy of "squadrons" of submarines, based on the experience of the First World War in the fight against convoys (unsuccessful, from his point of view), he even conducted exercises on such use of the fleet... his proposal was rejected, the concept of "single hunt" was retained... and huge losses were not long in coming
            2. +4
              3 June 2026 17: 32
              Quote: Alexey RA
              The Limeys sent battle-carrier groups time after time to provide distant cover for convoys, in anticipation of meeting the last German battleship or one of the sub-battleships.

              Yes, forgive me for being so persistent, but I just remembered the story of the famous P-Ku-17 convoy... there's only one assumption there: a "Tirpitz" might appear on the horizon, and the wind would sweep away all the English warships, leaving the convoy (well, they're just civilians, not expensive compared to the "royal" ones) to be torn to pieces...
              1. +2
                3 June 2026 18: 09
                Quote: Rodez
                Yes, sorry for being so persistent, but I just remembered the story of the famous P-KU-17 convoy...

                No offense, but it seems like you know the history of PQ-17 "from Pikul".
                Essentially, there is only one question for the British: why did they disband the convoy?
                1. +3
                  3 June 2026 18: 42
                  Quote: Macsen_Wledig
                  You know the history of PQ-17 from Pikul.

                  reconnaissance britannique découvre que le mouillage de Trondheim est vide
                  ...
                  Le SS Richard Bland s'échoue et quitte le convoi
                  Le SS Exford abandonne le convoi
                  Départ des croiseurs et de la force de soutien
                  ...
                  C'est aussi le 5 juillet que le sous marin soviétique K21 repère le cuirassé Tirpitz, se faufile à près de 400m en déjouant l'écran de destroyers et lance une salve de 4 torpilles (défectueuses) qui explosent prématurément
                  ...
                  :)
                  1. +1
                    3 June 2026 18: 49
                    Quote: Rodez
                    :)

                    Can you expand on this thought? :)
                    1. +4
                      3 June 2026 18: 56
                      Quote: Macsen_Wledig
                      expand on the thought?

                      those. not a bit...
                      although not an authority (source), the calendar details are present (in addition to what I already knew and noted above)
                      https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convoi_PQ_17
                      1. +2
                        3 June 2026 19: 10
                        Quote: Rodez
                        https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convoi_PQ_17

                        But does it state that Hamilton's cruisers, having "escaped the battlefield," were supposed to leave the convoy a day earlier (on the evening of July 3rd), and after that, the 10th Squadron was to proceed eastward under the commander's personal responsibility? It states that Hamilton himself planned to depart around midnight on July 4th/5th, and for this reason, he refueled his destroyers from the tanker Aldersdale.
                        The Admiralty's radiogram was only slightly ahead of it.
                        As for Broom's actions, read his memoirs, "Convoy Disperse!"
                      2. +4
                        3 June 2026 19: 22
                        Quote: Macsen_Wledig
                        memoirs "The convoy must disperse!"

                        So they (the military) "dispersed"... and I congratulate the "royal marina" on that :)
                      3. +1
                        3 June 2026 19: 37
                        Quote: Rodez
                        So they (the military) "dispersed"...

                        As you wish...
                      4. +1
                        4 June 2026 08: 08
                        Quote: Rodez
                        So they (the military) "dispersed"

                        Sergey, in a nutshell, your statement
                        Quote: Rodez
                        there is only a guess that a "Tirpitz" might appear on the horizon, as the wind swept away all the English warships,

                        is absolutely not in line with reality.
            3. +2
              3 June 2026 18: 06
              Quote: Alexey RA
              But the Scharnhorst was unlucky – Fraser's group managed to remain undetected.

              The Germans noticed her on the afternoon of the 25th and reported it to the authorities...
              Here it's more a question of Bey's "stubbornness", perhaps the fact that he is, after all, a destroyer played a role...
              I think that if it had not been Kummetz in his place, the Charles would have turned back for home, breaking away from Barnett's cruisers.
              1. +1
                4 June 2026 11: 35
                Quote: Macsen_Wledig
                Here it's more a question of Bey's "stubbornness", perhaps the fact that he is, after all, a destroyer played a role...

                The surface ships' desire to do something may have also played a role here. Constant unsuccessful convoy interceptions had relegated the Kriegsmarine's "big pots" to the status of perpetual losers. The "New Year's Battle" alone was worth it—a defeat snatched from the jaws of victory.
                1. 0
                  4 June 2026 18: 20
                  Quote: Alexey RA
                  The desire of the surface ships to do at least something may have played a role here.

                  It is quite possible: Dönitz's order was quite clear...
          3. +2
            3 June 2026 18: 37
            Quote: Rodez
            When the British calculated the forces needed to be concentrated to sink the Bismarck, they actually shed tears

            Well, how can I tell you ...
            "Graf Spee" was caught by 1 light cruiser, 2 aircraft carriers, 7 heavy cruisers, 4 light cruisers, 7 destroyers... And other small stuff in the form of a seaplane transport and half a dozen submarines.

            Quote: Rodez
            and the German surface fleet was practically locked down, and if attacked, it was from the air

            He found himself "locked up" in '42, in Norway.
            Even after the Bismarck's sinking, they were planning a large-scale raid into the Atlantic, scheduled for the fall of 1941. They planned to send all the "big pots" to sea: the "pocket battleships" were to sail to the South Atlantic, while three battleships and two cruisers were to operate in the Central and North Atlantic.
            The operation did not take place on time due to, so to speak, external factors.
            And after the US entered the war, it was already too late.

            Quote: Rodez
            According to Doenitz's memoirs, a plan for the construction of a fleet was approved at the end of 38.

            "Anti-British" Plan Z... There were 249 boats there.
            1. +2
              3 June 2026 19: 02
              Quote: Macsen_Wledig
              "Anti-British" Plan Z... There were 249 boats there.

              per denitsa - 233
              1. +1
                3 June 2026 19: 30
                Quote: Rodez
                per denitsa - 233

                Apparently the data is from some intermediate version: depending on the version, the amount of "small stuff" changed, including PL...
                1. +1
                  3 June 2026 19: 46
                  Quote: Macsen_Wledig
                  Apparently the data is from some intermediate version.

                  mine are from his own book... I don't practice the profession of a lawyer, but I respect a man who was "painful" about his work and not "for the sake of profit"
                  P.S. By the way, I also recommend... the book :)
                  It's not about "dispersing", but about gathering
                  1. 0
                    3 June 2026 20: 59
                    Quote: Rodez
                    P.S. By the way, I also recommend... the book :)

                    I read "10 Years and 20 Days"... A memoir, like a memoir.
                    1. +2
                      3 June 2026 21: 45
                      Quote: Macsen_Wledig
                      A memoir as a memoir

                      those. nothing like a pickle...
                      :)
                      Sorry, I couldn't resist... I couldn't... You and Pikul are something else, though.
                      1. -1
                        3 June 2026 22: 07
                        Quote: Rodez
                        those. nothing like a pickle...

                        Pikul is a whole other story... :)

                        Quote: Rodez
                        Sorry, I couldn't resist... I couldn't... You and Pikul are something else, though.

                        Well, your answer was straight out of Soviet propaganda. :)
                        It’s just that if you dig into that story, then, as they say, everything is not so clear-cut.
                      2. +1
                        3 June 2026 23: 25
                        Yeah, right. The propaganda is ambiguous. The convoy was in tatters. How much of it didn't arrive that the Red Army soldiers had to compensate for with their own lives? There's a stark and indisputable fact: the convoy was simply abandoned and fled.
                      3. +2
                        4 June 2026 14: 07
                        Quote: Essex62
                        There is a steely and indisputable fact: the convoy was simply abandoned and fled.

                        There's no such fact, that's the question. The whole story there is a very ambiguous matter.
                      4. 0
                        4 June 2026 23: 00
                        Leaving the main convoy forces and ordering everyone to scatter wherever they want, maybe some will make it, isn't a given? How should we understand that? What's so ambiguous about that?
                      5. 0
                        5 June 2026 17: 57
                        Quote: Essex62
                        Leaving the main forces of the convoy

                        I repeat ...
                        According to the operation plan, Hamilton's 10th Cruiser Squadron was supposed to leave the convoy a day earlier (on the evening of July 3). After this time, Hamilton requested permission from Tovey to proceed further east on his own responsibility. Hamilton himself had planned to depart around midnight on July 4/5; the Admiralty's order only accelerated matters. Meanwhile, the 10th Squadron's supply tankers remained to the west, and Hamilton was forced to refuel his destroyers from the tanker Aldersdale, which was supplying EG1.
                        As for Broome, after the disbandment of the convoy, EG1 received no new orders. Having decided that the 10th squadron was going into battle, he divided EG1: he took the fast ships with torpedoes with him and joined the 10th squadron, and left the slow corvettes and trawlers with the transports...

                        Quote: Essex62
                        The order is to scatter wherever you want and go as you please.

                        In general, this is the main question and complaint to the Admiralty.
                        But unfortunately, we are unlikely to ever know the answer...

                        Quote: Essex62
                        What's ambiguous here?

                        Without going into details, everything is exactly like Pikul...
                      6. 0
                        6 June 2026 05: 44
                        Who cares about the details if the convoy is destroyed? And why did the cruisers have to abandon the convoy? What was more important at that moment, chasing Bismarck or delivering the much-needed equipment and supplies to their bleeding ally? Arrogant ones are always arrogant, only pursuing their own selfish interests.
                      7. 0
                        6 June 2026 12: 27
                        Quote: Essex62
                        Who cares about the details if the convoy was destroyed?

                        Not details, but reasons...

                        Quote: Essex62
                        And why did the cruisers have to leave the convoy?

                        It’s trivial because they wouldn’t have enough fuel to get to Arkhangelsk.
                      8. 0
                        7 June 2026 09: 29
                        Did the Brits come up with this excuse or are you on their side? They didn't have any tankers at all? In that same convoy.
                      9. 0
                        7 June 2026 11: 29
                        Quote: Essex62
                        Did the Brits come up with this excuse or are you on their side?

                        Why do I need this?

                        Quote: Essex62
                        They didn't have any tankers at all? In that same convoy.

                        A tanker must have specialized equipment for refueling ships while underway. The convoy had one such tanker, the Aldersdale, intended to service Broome's Group I ships. Unfortunately, there weren't enough of them for everyone...

                        P.S. However, your position is clear: the Englishwoman is being crap... (c)
                      10. 0
                        7 June 2026 12: 43
                        Regardless of my position, the convoy, so vital on the main WWII front, was wrecked. And the next one's departure was delayed for quite some time. Whether this was a miscalculation or deliberate, one can only guess. What was going on in the minds of Pound and Sir Marlborough himself, who knows?
                      11. 0
                        7 June 2026 13: 05
                        Quote: Essex62
                        Who knows what was going on in the heads of Pound and Sir Marlborough himself?

                        Yes. Unfortunately, we'll probably never know. In 2012, the British vowed to declassify all PQ-17 documents in 2017 (the 75th anniversary), but that didn't happen in 17. And there were no comments from the British...
                        Although I have vague doubts that there was anything valuable left there: Broome mentioned in his memoirs that a lot of documents were destroyed at the end of the war (this greatly complicated the proceedings of his lawsuit against D. Irving for libel).
                      12. 0
                        7 June 2026 13: 13
                        There you see. "There's no smoke without fire." (c) Unless, of course, it's smoke from the TDA. wink hi
                      13. 0
                        7 June 2026 13: 55
                        Quote: Essex62
                        There you see. "Where there's smoke, there's fire."

                        I wrote right away that the biggest mystery of this whole story is the order to disband the convoy, or rather the reasons for it.:) hi
      2. 0
        4 June 2026 05: 39
        P.S. Geographically, Russia's position in the Baltic and Black Seas is not much better.

        Not much better? That's more about the Baltic, where, at least theoretically, you could reach the ocean. But I can hardly imagine an exit through the Bosphorus and Dardanelles.
  2. +1
    3 June 2026 12: 13
    Citizen von Haase is an incorrigible optimist))) Just look at the table of combat-ready ships, two weeks or a month after the battle, and a very sad picture emerges for the Germans.
    1. +2
      3 June 2026 13: 31
      Quote: TermNachTER
      Citizen von Haase is an incorrigible optimist))) Just look at the table of combat-ready ships, two weeks or a month after the battle, and a very sad picture emerges for the Germans.

      Dizziness with success.
  3. +1
    3 June 2026 13: 25
    Does anyone know where I can buy this book in Russian?
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      3 June 2026 13: 38
      A full Russian translation apparently doesn't exist. An abridged version, titled "On a Derfflinger in the Battle of Jutland," is available online.
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    3 June 2026 13: 56
    Oh, that German boasting. We fled the Grand Fleet without looking back all night, and in the morning we lamented: why didn't those cowardly English catch up with us? We would have given them a good beating!
    But it must be noted that if Scheer had had as many capital ships as Jellicoe, and the weather had been normal, England would have suffered a defeat comparable to Tsushima.
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      3 June 2026 16: 17
      Quote: belost79
      But it must be noted that if Scheer had had as many capital ships as Jellicoe, and the weather had been normal, England would have suffered a defeat comparable to Tsushima.

      If Scheer had had as many capital ships as Jellicoe, Germany would have suffered a defeat on land comparable to Jena and Auerstedt. laughing
      The budget and industry aren't infinite. Giving money and capacity to the navy means taking it away from the army.
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        3 June 2026 16: 44
        Germany's shipbuilding capacity, while considerable, was incomparable to Britain's. This was especially true when you consider the small British shipyards that, with the outbreak of WWI, switched to shipbuilding and repair.
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          4 June 2026 10: 30
          Quote: TermNachTER
          Germany's shipbuilding capacity, although not small, was in no way comparable to Britain's.

          Exactly. That means we'll have to develop the shipbuilding industry too. Another minus for the army's budget. laughing
          Quote: TermNachTER
          Especially if we take into account the small British shipyards that, with the start of WWI, switched to the production and repair of ships.

          Britain should be considered not so much the small British shipyards as the shipbuilding capacities of its cousins ​​and maple syrup lovers. The former, while still neutral, built ships and vessels for the Limeys, including escort vessels.
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            4 June 2026 12: 53
            Well, during WWI, neither Canada nor Australia had any significant shipbuilding capacity. By the end of WWI, they had grown considerably. The Union of South Africa had some, but it reported directly to the Royal Navy and served the Royal Navy.
    2. +1
      3 June 2026 16: 46
      It was simply the British's problem that they had so many ships that it was impossible to control them. The Germans had fewer. But the British always knew how to resist. And they were good shots, as the second part of the battle showed. And the 381mm shells hit home. And there were plenty of such ships. And the Germans suffered so much damage that they took much longer to repair than the British ships.
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        4 June 2026 05: 47
        And the Germans received so much damage that they took much longer to repair than the English ships.

        However, the Germans lost only capital ships Lützow, and I'm sure that no Englishman would have survived to see such damage, but would have sunk much earlier. Let's just remember Lion at Dogger Bank. He didn't sink, but he was in a really bad way there. And let's compare it to his phenomenal survivability. Blücher.
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          4 June 2026 16: 37
          If you count the losses—ships and people—then yes. But why did the Germans never try to repeat Jutland again? If they almost won.
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          5 June 2026 16: 02
          The battle demonstrated that damage can lead to the loss of combat capability, or near-loss, even without sinking. The Seydlitz, the Derfflinger, the Von der Tann, and the Lützow were simply targets after the battle. The second half of the battle clearly didn't go well for the Germans. Another half like that, and what would have been left? Still, the superiority was so great that the Germans only survived thanks to the British strategy of not pushing their luck. They were winning the war anyway.
          And life proved that. Not even taking into account that the Germans never showed their faces again. And what happened right after the battle? They went to treat their wounds, and the British went to sea. That's all.
          What could the Germans hope for? More random hits? The British superdreadnoughts were also well armored. And they fired just as well as the Germans. And they could retreat if damaged and bring in new ones. There were so many of them. And all that remains are the destroyers. Those that used up their torpedoes in a day and a night. So what next?
          Hoping for two Bayerns? Nonsense.
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      4 June 2026 09: 21
      Quote: belost79
      Oh, that German boasting. We fled the Grand Fleet without looking back all night, and in the morning we lamented: why didn't those cowardly English catch up with us? We would have given them a good beating!
      But it must be noted that if Scheer had had as many capital ships as Jellicoe, and the weather had been normal, England would have suffered a defeat comparable to Tsushima.

      The British's anti-tank shells weren't very good. They seriously addressed this issue after the battle, along with modernizing their ammunition feed systems.
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        4 June 2026 10: 14
        "They took this issue seriously after the battle."
        After the Battle of Jutland, they took a lot of issues seriously.
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    3 June 2026 14: 39
    Dear Slug_BDMP, "Jutlandskk"om" in the title of the article - is this a typo?
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      3 June 2026 15: 39
      Of course. I was mistaken and the editors missed it!
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        3 June 2026 15: 45
        It's normal, I've had this happen too, and not just in the title:))) But the editors - yes, they should be more attentive here
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    3 June 2026 16: 43
    Yeah... We could have expected something better from Haase than this: we would have kicked them if they had caught up with us.
    He himself wrote beautifully about what the Derfflinger looked like after the battle. And the second half of the battle didn't go as well for the Germans as the first.
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      3 June 2026 18: 18
      We would have kicked them if they had caught up with us.

      Excuse me, but where does Haase write this?
      He assesses the capabilities of the German fleet quite sensibly:
      Judging by the experience of May 31, more than one English ship would have been destroyed , and it would have required a colossal expenditure of ammunition to completely disable the German battleships.

      If Jellicoe had engaged in a decisive battle at Horns Reef on June 1, the British fleet would undoubtedly have been forced to cede its place as the world's most powerful navy to America. I readily admit that the complete destruction of Jellicoe's fleet on June 1 was out of the question. But as a man who knows our ships and our naval gunnery well, as well as the British ships and their gunnery, and based on my gunnery experience gained in the Battle of Skagerrak, I can confidently assert: a fully concluded naval battle between the British and German battle fleets would cost the enemy a very large number of large warships.
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    3 June 2026 18: 17
    Georg von Haase

    I wonder why "von Xaaze"?
    I wonder who and when changed the artilleryman's surname?
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      4 June 2026 08: 10
      Quote: Macsen_Wledig
      I wonder who and when changed the artilleryman's surname?

      Well, Muzhenikov seems to already have von Haase... I don't know exactly.
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        4 June 2026 18: 28
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        Well, Muzhenikov seems to already have von Haase... I don't know exactly.

        Apparently, it was rechristened by the editors of the "Maritime Collection" in 1920.
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          4 June 2026 20: 13
          Quote: Macsen_Wledig
          Apparently, it was rechristened by the editors of the "Maritime Collection" in 1920.

          You know better. And who was he - von Hase?
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            4 June 2026 20: 21
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            And who was he - von Hase?

            Yes. Georg von Hase
            There is no way to double the sound there.
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        4 June 2026 20: 26
        See my reply to Macsen_Wledig
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      4 June 2026 20: 24
      "According to the passport" he is Georg von Hase - see attached image.
      But all Russian-language sources say Haase. That's why I wrote it that way when translating.
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        4 June 2026 20: 29
        Quote: Slug_BDMP
        "According to the passport" he is Georg von Hase - see attached image.
        But all Russian-language sources say Haase. That's why I wrote it that way when translating.

        Thank you, I am aware of this... hi

        In Russian-language publications they write this way because they copy from the same source.