More on Trump's battleships: a correction of mistakes or a fatal error?

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More on Trump's battleships: a correction of mistakes or a fatal error?


The Chief of Naval Operations said the abandonment of nuclear-powered surface combatants was one of the worst decisions his department ever made.



Chief of Naval Operations Admiral Daryl Caudle made the announcement while expressing support for the recent decision to equip future Trump-class battleships with nuclear propulsion. He also highlighted the challenges the Navy faced in refueling conventionally powered ships participating in operations against Iran.

Admiral Caudle, along with Acting Secretary of the Navy Hung Cao (appointed following the rather abrupt resignation of the previous Secretary, Phelan, an opponent of nuclear submarines), and Commandant of the Marine Corps General Eric Smith, testified before members of the House Armed Services Committee. The hearing focused on the Department of the Navy's budget request for fiscal year 2027. The Navy announced that, according to its latest long-range shipbuilding plan, released Monday, the Trump-class warships will use nuclear propulsion.

We have already said that the paradigm shift occurred very quickly, apparently under the influence of Trump himself.


Chief of Naval Operations Adm. Daryl Caudle, left, testifies during a separate budget hearing before members of the House Appropriations Committee on May 12, 2026.

“I know there has been a lot of talk and questions over the last few days about news "About the Trump-class battleship being nuclear-powered. As you know, Virginia has a long history of nuclear shipbuilding. What specific design plans can you share at this time, and can you tell us how nuclear power will help make this system successful?" Representative John McGuire, a Virginia Republican and former Navy SEAL, asked Admiral Caudle directly.


Model of the Trump-class battleship

"Sir, we abandoned nuclear-powered surface ships decades ago, and it was one of the biggest mistakes the Navy ever made. fleet"We're now returning to that idea," the Chief of Naval Operations responded. "We need nuclear-powered surface ships to support combat operations involving our nuclear-powered aircraft carriers."


Although the US Navy is the world's leading operator of nuclear submarines (it has more nuclear submarines than all other nuclear-powered nations combined), American aircraft carriers are currently the only nuclear-powered surface ships. The exceptions are Russia's Admiral Nakhimov and France's Charles de Gaulle.


The Nuclear Fleet That the US Lost


Things used to be a bit different: the Navy had a variety of nuclear-powered surface combatants at its disposal. Among them were three unique ships: the cruiser USS Long Beach, the cruiser USS Truxtan (originally built as a nuclear-powered destroyer), and the frigate USS Bainbridge.

Two California-class cruisers and four Virginia-class cruisers were also built, which were not attack nuclear submarines at all, but rather surface ships.

All of these ships were commissioned in the 60s and 70s and were expensive and complex to operate compared to similar ships with conventional propulsion systems. They were all decommissioned in the 1990s as part of the post-Cold War drawdown of the US military, deemed completely unnecessary.


In 1964, three nuclear-powered Navy surface warships sail in formation. From left to right: the aircraft carrier USS Enterprise, the cruiser USS Long Beach, and the frigate USS Bainbridge.

The Price of a Kilowatt: Why Does a Battleship Need a Reactor?


As Caudle emphasized, the main advantage of nuclear propulsion is its virtually unlimited range, as naval reactors can operate for decades without refueling. In the context of modern ships, equipped with increasingly sophisticated weapons and other systems, nuclear propulsion can significantly increase onboard electrical power generation.

As already noted, this comes at a price, and not just in dollars. But the game is worth the candle, because the more sensors, situational analysis systems, and various countermeasure systems a ship has, EW The more powerful the ship, the more efficient it can be. And it's not millions of dollars, but millions of watts of power. The question is, per minute or per second.

Today, Russia is the only country in the world with a nuclear-powered surface combatant that is not an aircraft carrier: the heavy cruiser Admiral Nakhimov. Russia also has several nuclear-powered icebreakers, which have been repeatedly mentioned as potential carriers. rocket weapons.

"Imagine what it would look like in the Persian Gulf if I had a nuclear-powered battleship there providing air defense, air defense, and deploying its firepower to cover conventionally fueled ships," Caudle continued, responding to a question from Congressman McGuire. "So, it's critical to develop that level of payload capability."

The admiral apparently meant that a platform like the Admiral Nakhimov, carrying multiple anti-aircraft missiles and anti-missiles, could make life much easier for conventional ships, whose anti-aircraft maneuvers consume a lot of fuel in the Middle East (meaning UAVs, missiles, and unmanned aerial vehicles), and refueling processes in the area where enemy aircraft are operating are, to put it mildly, unsafe.

But this is not the worst.

US Navy officials have already acknowledged that Iranian attacks on friendly countries in the Middle East during recent operations have significantly disrupted established supply chains. Specifically, this has impacted the delivery of fuel for conventionally powered warships in the region.

Refueling a ship is a complicated and dangerous process, but if there's nothing to refuel with, things get even more dire.

In any future conflict, especially a large-scale standoff with China in the vast Pacific Ocean, the US Navy will have to consider the threat of fuel supply disruptions. Nuclear-powered ships also have other logistical needs common to ships powered by conventional internal combustion engines, such as providing crews with water, food, and fuel for aircraft. Even with nuclear propulsion, ships cannot remain at sea indefinitely due to maintenance and other requirements.


One of the US Navy's Arleigh Burke-class destroyers receives fuel during a refueling operation at sea.

"We intend to utilize all available technologies, including those we have been working on under the DDG(X) project," the Chief of Naval Operations added, specifically referring to plans to build the Trump-class ships.
They'll have the SPY-6 radar. They'll have the Aegis 10 combat system. Of course, they'll have an A1B reactor, like the Ford-class carriers, and all the associated equipment. And I would say that directed energy weapon and the anti-aircraft guns will also be new."

Caudle first discussed the A1B reactor at another budget hearing earlier this week. It was previously known that the Trump-class battleship program would build on the work done under the now-defunct DDG(X) next-generation destroyer project.

What will the "Trumps" be armed with—and will they have any at all?


Numerous types of energy weapons, as well as electromagnetic railguns, are key elements of the planned armament package for future Trump-class warships. No one is yet bothered by the fact that the vast majority of lasers and railguns are still in the design stage. The battleships will also be armed with a mix of nuclear and conventional missiles, including hypersonic types, in multiple vertical launch cell arrays (VLS), and a pair of traditional 5-inch naval guns. This seems more believable, but…

But it's worth remembering how neither of the two superweapons on the Zumwalt-class destroyers remained, because missiles proved more accurate, longer-ranged, and cheaper to launch. And overall, it turned out that the stealth destroyer had no other weapons than the ancient subsonic Tomahawks (albeit modernized).

So it's not entirely clear what the Trump-class cruisers will ultimately be armed with, or even if they will be. 128 launch cells is certainly not bad, but excuse me, that's on par with the ancient cruiser Ticonderoga, which is living out its final days in the US Navy. Building a ship three times larger to carry the same number of missiles as a moderately large cruiser? That's frankly surprising.

And after all, we shouldn't really take all these railguns, railguns, lasers, and blasters seriously, which will appear in the foreseeable future. And what if they don't, as often happens?

But the decision was made.

It's worth noting that Caudle's comments today are a marked departure from his previous statements regarding the prospects of using nuclear propulsion on Trump-class ships. Speaking to the press at the Surface Navy Association's (SNA) flagship annual symposium in January of this year, he clearly downplayed the possibility.


An image of the future Trump-class battleship

Just a month ago, former US Navy Secretary John Phelan also stated that it was unlikely the Trump-class ships would be nuclear-powered, citing the need to balance the cost and complexity of the project with tight deadlines. Phelan was abruptly fired just two days after these statements. According to some reports, his dismissal was prompted by disagreements over specific battleship plans, as well as other tensions within the Trump administration.

But it looks more like the battleships were the cause.

"He's a very good man. I liked him very much, but he had disagreements, not only with Secretary Hegseth, but with other ministers as well. He was adamant, and he had disagreements with other people, mainly over the construction and purchase of new ships. I'm very actively promoting the idea of ​​building new ships," Trump himself said on this matter.

The US Navy currently plans to order the first Trump-class battleship sometime around fiscal year 2028 and commission her by fiscal year 2036. The cost of the first ship is estimated at approximately $17 billion, significantly exceeding the projected cost of any of the next four Ford-class aircraft carriers. However, given recent developments, this figure is not final. We have previously stated that converting the ship's design to accommodate a nuclear power plant will increase the cost of the Trump by at least $3-4 billion, according to some estimates. This means the battleship will definitely cost over $20 billion.

Even before the decision to use nuclear propulsion was announced, numerous media outlets, both in the US and around the world, raised numerous questions about the plans to build these warships, including the feasibility of their use, as well as the associated costs and risks. And our pages also fired salvos at the "Trump" class, as indeed, these ships are highly questionable.

Shipyards, personnel, and 17 billion: will the industry cope?


Despite Caudle's comments today about the possibility of using a nuclear reactor as a power source, nuclear-powered ships are inherently complex and expensive, which is the price to pay for the aforementioned increase in combat capability. Building such ships requires skilled labor and well-established supply chains. Newport News Shipbuilding in Virginia, a division of Huntington Ingalls Industries, is the only shipyard in the United States currently building nuclear-powered surface ships—the new Ford-class aircraft carriers, whose construction has been repeatedly delayed.

The country has two other nuclear submarine production facilities, both of which are already operating at full capacity to meet the Navy's needs. It is especially important to adhere to the construction schedule for the new Columbia-class ballistic missile submarines to avoid supply disruptions for the sea-based component of the American nuclear deterrent triad.

In addition, plans are underway to deliver Virginia-class submarines to the Royal Australian Navy, which Admiral Caudle, who supported the project, said could only increase the strain on the system.

The US naval shipbuilding industry also has other needs related to the production of conventionally powered warships, such as the Arleigh Burke-class destroyers. Since the end of the Cold War, this industry has declined, especially compared to the opposite trend observed in China. Efforts to revive American shipyards and the Navy's ongoing challenges were key topics of discussion at a hearing of the House Armed Services Committee.

Personnel is a major problem. The US has factories that could be revived to meet the Navy's needs, but there are no workers available to work them. This problem has been known for a long time; it didn't just appear yesterday. The question is whether the Americans can solve it. If not, it's no secret that the shipbuilding industry can't even cope with routine ship repairs.

Admiral Caudle's statement about supporting a nuclear-powered surface fleet raises an additional question: will industry be able to fulfill these plans? Especially since the Trump is truly a complex project. Nearly all previous nuclear-powered surface combatants in the US Navy were based on conventionally powered ships. At the same time, any such solution would face the same challenges as building new battleships.

A vicious circle? No, it could be much simpler.

Plans to build Trump-class ships could very well change or even be abandoned altogether. Under current plans, the battleship construction program will continue under the next presidential administration, meaning the fate of the new nuclear-powered surface fleet could change dramatically.

That is, the next president will simply cancel it, especially if he or she is a Democrat. And that would be the most logical end for these ships, which are being built for seemingly incomprehensible reasons. But everyone understands perfectly well that by that point, so much money will have been lost in the unknown that one can only envy those holding the saw handle.

So some might think that the Trump-class ships are a work-in-progress, while others might think that they are a mistake that will punch such a hole in the budget that even a battleship would be stunned by its size.

It won't be long before we see where these "Trumps" will float off to.
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  1. +2
    17 May 2026 05: 31
    A battleship without 500mm of armor is not a battleship. This topic has been discussed more than once on VO.
    1. +5
      17 May 2026 05: 41
      Anti-ship missiles will ignore almost any armor. That's why no one mounts thousand-ton armor belts on ships anymore.
      1. +2
        17 May 2026 06: 33
        Quote: Serjy
        Anti-ship missiles will not care about almost any armor.

        Why?
        1. +2
          17 May 2026 17: 07
          Quote: Senior Sailor
          Why?
          Because that's what they're made for. Granit, for example, was designed to hit the Iowa through its armor belt. Smaller missiles could be made if they were to hit from above, through the armored deck. After all, a battleship wouldn't be spared the use of special ammunition; it would vaporize the entire ship, along with any surface water, regardless of its armor.
          1. +1
            17 May 2026 20: 37
            Quote: bk0010
            Because that's what they're made for.

            Didи. Also, if I remember correctly, for "Golovko" and with a cumulative effect (to be honest, that's what officers I know who served on it told me, I'm not really a Copenhagen guy myself)))
            Quote: bk0010
            The same Granite was made taking into account the requirements of defeating Iowa through the armor belt.

            Do we still have it somewhere?
            Quote: bk0010
            It is possible to make the missiles smaller if they will hit from above, through the armored deck.

            It's possible. But the missile would act like a regular high-explosive bomb, and armored decks were quite good at dealing with those.
            Quote: bk0010
            After all, it's not a pity to waste special ammunition on a battleship.

            I think this is the only real option, which also eliminates possible targeting inaccuracy.
            1. -3
              17 May 2026 20: 59
              Quote: Senior Sailor
              Do we still have it somewhere?

              Actually, almost all cruise missiles have penetrating warheads. They can penetrate 6 to 18 meters of concrete. Furthermore, against modern anti-ship missiles, which can not only hit a ship but also target vulnerable points, an armor belt won't help; you'll need a turtle-like shell a meter thick. As the saying goes, go ahead and try swimming with that! wassat
            2. -1
              17 May 2026 22: 42
              Quote: Senior Sailor
              Do we still have it somewhere?
              Does anyone have battleships? They'll be there when they appear. It would be a sin to skimp on them for such a purpose.
              Quote: Senior Sailor
              But the missile will act like a regular land mine.
              Absolutely not necessary. You can make a semi-armor-piercing head.
              Quote: Senior Sailor
              and the armored decks dealt with them quite well.
              Remembering Pearl Harbor. They weren't doing a very good job, even with the economical option (400mm shells with stabilizers).
              1. +1
                18 May 2026 11: 33
                Quote: bk0010
                Moreover, even with the economical option (400-mm shells with stabilizers).

                but it is a projectile, not a missile, which by definition cannot have such a strong body.
                In general, a colleague wrote:
                Quote: Serjy
                That's why no one hangs thousand-ton armor belts on ships anymore.

                In fact, it's not even close. They stopped installing belts because of missiles, that's true. But not because they could penetrate everything, but because they were easier to defend against with electronic warfare and air defense systems, which weigh less, and...
                Quote: bk0010
                They will appear.

                By the time they appear, either the donkey will die or the president will change...
                1. -1
                  18 May 2026 11: 38
                  Quote: Senior Sailor

                  but it is a projectile, not a missile, which by definition cannot have such a strong body.
                  Why is that? It's not like everything needs armoring, just the head. Also, just a reminder that the Granite was designed to withstand 20mm Vulcan shells and Vorobyov fragments.
      2. +9
        17 May 2026 08: 09
        So, an armor-piercing shell weighing almost a ton wouldn't care about armor, but an anti-ship missile wouldn't even notice it? Can't you substantiate this thesis? For example, Seydlitz took about 20 hits from its main battery and one from a torpedo at the Battle of Jutland—and still limped back to base. What would happen to any modern ship after even one of those?
        1. +1
          17 May 2026 10: 16
          The armor-piercing bullet will most likely pierce right through)))
          1. +1
            17 May 2026 13: 16
            Moreover, along the length, from bow to stern...
        2. -1
          17 May 2026 10: 31
          P-700 (missile) weight 7 tons (750 kg) range 140 km - 500 km speed 1,5 m - 2,5 m
          Mark 7 gun and AP Mk 8 projectile, weight 1,2247 tons (299,4 kg), range 36 km, muzzle velocity 762 m/s
          1. +1
            17 May 2026 11: 09
            Dashing: 1,2247 tons (correct) and 299,4 kg – what is that? If it's a propellant charge, that's how it should be written.
          2. +2
            17 May 2026 13: 18
            How many P-700-class missiles are still in service? Besides, compare the shell casings with those of anti-ship missiles. What's the point of a large mass if all the tin can just get smeared across the armor belt?
            1. +2
              17 May 2026 17: 07
              Quote: paul3390
              And how many P-700 class missiles are still in service?
              No less than battleships.
        3. 0
          17 May 2026 15: 25
          "So, an armor-piercing shell weighing almost a ton didn't care about armor, but an anti-ship missile wouldn't even notice it?" - and where would a shell "weighing almost a ton" come from in today's reality?
      3. +5
        17 May 2026 11: 18
        Anti-ship missiles will not care about almost any armor.

        An anti-ship missile with a high-explosive warhead can penetrate even 100 mm of armor only under very favorable circumstances.
        1. +2
          17 May 2026 17: 09
          Quote: Lynnot
          An anti-ship missile with a high-explosive warhead can penetrate even 100 mm of armor only under very favorable circumstances.
          That's why they are made high-explosive-cumulative.
          1. +2
            17 May 2026 17: 57
            What's the point? The armor of a battleship of that era was by no means limited to the armor belt. So what if a kuma burns through it, then what? I seriously doubt it would cause any serious damage. It wouldn't penetrate beyond the armored bulkhead.
            1. +1
              17 May 2026 18: 11
              Quote: paul3390
              So his godmother will burn him, what next?
              There, 8 "kum" missiles will make holes in the armor in a circle, after which the armored head of the missile knocks out the armor plug and flies inside.
              1. 0
                17 May 2026 23: 04
                This is still in the realm of theory, just like these battleships.
          2. +1
            17 May 2026 23: 03
            That's why they are made high-explosive-cumulative.

            On a battleship, you can go wild and use spaced armor. It's been that way for a long time, though, with an armored bulkhead behind the belt.
        2. -1
          18 May 2026 15: 38
          I don't think there are any missiles left with pure off-the-shelf warheads, except for the ancient Exocets. They're all either penetrating or even HEAT now. At 100mm, you won't even need a HEAT—the kinetic energy of the missile itself will be enough, like with the Moskit.
      4. +4
        17 May 2026 13: 28
        Don't confuse an AP shell (where the explosive makes up barely 30%, the rest is steel - a very thick hull) and an anti-ship missile warhead. By the way, the Yamato AP was a MAX heavy, something like 2.5 tons. What modern anti-ship missile do you think could carry such a warhead? And the saddest thing is that in WWII, armor plates were made of cemented heterogeneous steel, but what do we have in armor today? Composites + titanium. And I think armor resistance is around 1000 mm equivalent of homogeneous steel. Well, for MBTs, a molybdenum sub-caliber arrow was used, but the dimensions of the MBT and armored carbine... what kind of penetration of a caliber scrap metal can it have even 100 mm... In short, old Donnie was the first to catch the trend of returning BattleShip, but at a new level of technology. Applause.
        P.S..at the beginning of the 20th century, with the advent of the British (then still Great) Dreadnought, the dreadnought race began...but with the advent of the Trump ship, will there be a new one??? No...
        1. 0
          17 May 2026 19: 53
          Quote: WapentakeLokki
          1000 mm of homogeneous steel equivalent...

          This is achievable for tanks.
          And for a battleship, it won't be a 1000mm equivalent, but 10 times more...
        2. 0
          18 May 2026 16: 08
          At 20 yards of greenery, of course, it won't happen. No one can afford it.
          1. 0
            18 May 2026 19: 15
            Well, the PLA considers the matreshniks (and not without reason) to be experts in naval (ocean) warfare, it’s not for nothing that they build aircraft carriers... and then the concept is changed to battleships... I think China will pick up the baton (since the big brother (enemy) decided to build THEM... that means they are needed in the PLA fleet too).. How do you like that argument???
    2. +2
      17 May 2026 05: 48
      And without 356+mm guns
      Quote: andrewkor
      A battleship without 500mm of armor

      The problem is, as Iran's experience has shown, that without proper food, they run out of food faster than weapons. As soon as they've feasted on dry rations and canned goods, look how many threads there were about the whining of the brave sailors. laughing
      1. IVZ
        -2
        17 May 2026 08: 40
        The problem is, as the Iranian experience has shown.
        In Iran, it wasn't experience, but some kind of hitch. Perhaps it had something to do with logistics. It's just an isolated incident, not a problem.
        1. -2
          17 May 2026 08: 54
          No. They wanted it to be forced. Are you aware of how the personnel and military are supplied? What are the supplies? How long are they designed to last, etc.? Are there logistical problems? YES. They couldn't get them in and enter port. And they want nuclear ones.
          Our submariners (KITA) are a separate cohort. They're rock-solid. Not those guys on the surface. The ones who went for the dough and all that. They're just mommies. I once talked to one of ours on the train. What was he on at 14 and where was he going? I think you can guess. He was going after modernization. Man, what did I go through? I was about to die. soldier
          We shared a lot of things beyond Kizlyarka. I was just on my way to St. Petersburg. He still had a couple of days. So, it's possible. I heard so much from him. belay As they say, it was for the cooperation of troops. Incidentally, I've written about this many times. Both here and in Telegram.
          I have GREAT respect for the Flyers and the Whales! soldier I was born only to crawl feel
    3. +5
      17 May 2026 08: 15
      It's unclear why it's a battleship. Is it designed to fight in a line against a similar enemy ship?
      1. +4
        17 May 2026 11: 12
        And the last battleship, literally, was Rodney. After her, there were variations on the battlecruiser theme.
      2. +2
        17 May 2026 11: 23
        Is it intended to be fought in a line against a similar one from the enemy?

        Rather, it's simply a highly autonomous surface platform for fairly long-range weapons, of which there will be a lot crammed in.) A lot of destroyers have already been churned out for escort. fellow
        1. 0
          17 May 2026 12: 56
          By the time this battleship is built, half of the Berk destroyers will be decommissioned.
          1. 0
            17 May 2026 14: 54
            By the time this battleship is built, half of the Berk destroyers will be decommissioned.

            But they don’t plan to stop the conveyor belt yet, including FF(X) on the way.
            1. 0
              17 May 2026 15: 36
              in the 90s - 28 ships (to be decommissioned)
              in 2010-2025-15 ships
              Between 2010 and 2025, 43 destroyers were built in China.

              On November 25, 2025, US Navy Secretary John Phelan announced that construction of all but the first two ships of this class had been canceled as part of a review of the Navy's fleet strategy, focusing on projects that can be built more quickly. At that time, the Constellation-class frigate was reported to be 12% complete.
              1. +1
                17 May 2026 22: 58
                When will their aircraft carriers be decommissioned? Until then, destroyers or something else will be needed for the carrier strike groups, and to escort these supposed battleships.
      3. +2
        17 May 2026 12: 36
        It's not clear why this is a battleship

        1. This is an error of unprofessional translation, the first thing the automatic translator suggests.
        2. These are also the peculiarities of Trump's "language." To understand what he meant, you need to listen to/read what he said, in what context, and with what words.
        The term "battleship" he used should be understood in a broad sense: the largest, most powerful, and indestructible warship of any type, even if it's not technically a battleship. A heavy warship capable of independent combat missions. Something grand and majestic.
        Trump is no expert, and sometimes he deliberately confuses concepts. He also mentioned that the US hasn't built such ships for almost 40 years, referring not to battleships but to Ticonderoga-class guided missile cruisers.
        1. +3
          17 May 2026 13: 50
          Quote: balabol
          A heavy warship capable of independent combat missions. Something grand and majestic.

          Colleague hi
          You wrote everything correctly, with one exception: a HEAVY NAVAL ship, like no other, DURABLES SYSTEMIC combat support and security. Any squadron-flotilla-fleet-level operator will tell you this. Even if you woke them up in the middle of the night.
          This is precisely why such surface ships form the core of the naval operational forces. The main threat is attack (multipurpose) SSNs/SSGNs armed with missiles and torpedoes. And now, in the era of the ZIRCON submarine, large surface ships are more vulnerable than ever. Therefore, anti-submarine groups and anti-submarine submarines precede such operational forces, clearing the way for the "Leviathan"...
          I won't even mention aviation support, reconnaissance, and other types of military support. Without them, no US Navy corps would venture into the DMZ. Only our own can march to the middle of nowhere while singing about the Varangian Red Army.
          So, a TLC like TRUMP would never go to sea without an entourage. Not at all,
          AHA.
          1. 0
            17 May 2026 16: 02
            Alexander, sir, you've really hit the issue with heavy artillery. Strategy and tactics, the use of armies and navies, aren't my strong suit. I actually have a minor comment about our Donald Trump. I don't think he and I have the same understanding of these things, so in his language, "battleship" could be translated as "super-duper ship." As for his comments on the new American missiles, don't look for any deep technical meaning in his words.
      4. 0
        17 May 2026 17: 10
        Quote: paul3390
        It is not clear why this is a battleship.
        Show-off. Like there's nothing cooler.
      5. 0
        17 May 2026 17: 34
        So, a battleship is our terminology, for them it is a battleship, where linear tactics were only in the context of sailing ships.
    4. IVZ
      +2
      17 May 2026 08: 37
      A battleship without 500mm of armor is not a battleship.
      What about a cruiser without armor? Cruisers are now a somewhat different concept and purpose. So maybe it's the same story with battleships? They kept the name of the class, but everything else... is the same as with cruisers.
    5. +3
      17 May 2026 11: 26
      Do you remember examples of battleships with 500 mm of armor?
      1. 0
        17 May 2026 13: 26
        Quote: alberigo
        Do you remember examples of battleships with 500 mm of armor?

        There were no such.
        1. 0
          18 May 2026 10: 37
          Then why are you writing this? But to be fair, it must be acknowledged that there was one type with such armor. It was the Yamato class; its bridge was covered with such armor. Furthermore, the main battery turrets were slightly underarmored, which is why each weighed 2500 tons.
          1. 0
            18 May 2026 10: 51
            Quote: alberigo
            Then why are you writing?

            request in what sense?

            Quote: alberigo
            that there was one type with such armor.

            Not on board, of course...
            1. The armor didn't save us.
            2. Two hundred planes shot it down for several hours.
            3. He was alone, like a bear against a group of hunters.
            4. If Yamato had been in the American camp, it would have terrified the rebellious/"undemocratic" until the 21st century...
            1. -1
              18 May 2026 18: 12
              I agree with you here. But we must understand that by the start of World War II, only one navy, and even then only with reservations, had realized the correct path of development: the US Navy. American admirals correctly identified the aircraft carrier as the primary strike vessel at sea, and then, in 1925, the US Congress passed a law stipulating that aircraft carriers could only be commanded by PILOTS. Japanese admirals deliberated, wavering between battleships and aircraft carriers, building both. Ultimately, it was a failure. If they hadn't built Yamato, Musashi, and Shinano, and spent that tonnage on seven aircraft carriers and developing the infrastructure for training naval aviators, the war would have ended in 1942 due to the Japanese numerical superiority.
              1. 0
                19 May 2026 14: 23
                Quote: alberigo
                If they had not built Yamato, Musashi, and Shinano, and spent that tonnage on seven aircraft carriers and the development of infrastructure for training naval pilots, the war would have ended in 1942 due to the numerical superiority of the Japanese.

                No, it would have ended in 46, not 45, but with the same result. The US was far more economically powerful; it could afford to build aircraft carriers and cruisers by the dozens, destroyers and escort carriers by the hundreds, transport ships by the thousands... Nothing like that would have been possible in Japan, even in the wildest dreams of the samurai.
    6. +1
      17 May 2026 11: 48
      You're trying to discuss something from a technical perspective that has nothing to do with technology. The admiral, seeing how Donya and Petya "cleaned" the Pentagon of undesirables, is simply trying to suck up to Trump. The explanation that the Björk-class destroyers had to be refueled frequently during the "Epic Fail" is complete nonsense. Even if they have a nuclear power plant, the crew's need for water and food will still be there; they'll still have to be refueled every 20-30 days. Fuel can be added at the same time. So, there's no technical justification. The admiral simply wants to remain in office. And if you look at the "shirshe" issue—USNI News posted a list of ships and vessels that the Navy wants to decommission by 2031—it's all very sad. For the US, even Trump-class battleships won't help.
      1. 0
        17 May 2026 13: 33
        Quote: TermNachTER
        USNI News posted a list of ships and vessels the Navy wants to decommission by 2031, and it's all getting very sad.

        I don't give a damn about their problems. And it seems they don't either...
        If we were desperate, we'd quickly find ways, but right now we don't need to. And there's no one to compete with. Who can we compete with in the seas and oceans? China? They'll have decades of work ahead to ensure dominance. And there's no one else. So for now, we can "play around" with battleships, or even spaceships and other chimeras. The billions are there, so we need to harness them...
        1. 0
          17 May 2026 15: 47
          No, they're aware of their fleet's problems, but the problem is there are no quick and easy solutions. And it will be interesting to watch how they recover.
    7. 0
      18 May 2026 08: 27
      So why does it need 500mm? Even 200mm is perfectly fine in today's environment; it'll stop a missile, or at least prevent it from making a huge hole if it hits. But such a ship would cost as much as a couple of aircraft carriers, carry as many weapons as a couple of destroyers, and would also eat up the entire navy's maintenance budget. You've missed one thing: these ships aren't for war, but for embezzling funds while Trump is in office.
      1. 0
        18 May 2026 11: 36
        Ha, ha, ha, about "500 mm of armor", I'm saying this for a more lively discussion on the site.
  2. +5
    17 May 2026 05: 34
    IMHO: neither. Just a PR stunt that the next administration will shut down. Although the new American destroyers will likely be over 10 kilotons, they're trying to cram too much in there.
  3. +1
    17 May 2026 06: 57
    A ship with a nuclear power plant has another advantage: the enemy will think before striking it on its territory and causing nuclear contamination.
    1. +3
      17 May 2026 13: 19
      Actually, it's an enemy ship on its territory It can't be allowed. Maximum in your water areas wink
    2. +3
      17 May 2026 14: 08
      Quote: Ed Mack
      A ship with a nuclear power plant has another advantage: the enemy will think before striking it on its territory and causing nuclear contamination.

      For any enemy (and the Yankees are planning to create one to counter the PLA Navy), such ships will be a top priority. And they will do everything in their power to turn them into fish food (even sinking them in their own waters). But it's precisely these nuclear-powered surface ships that will be grazing beyond the enemy's missile defense range. And that's becoming increasingly difficult. The PLA Navy already (!) has the DF-17; 27, with a range of up to 2800 km for its anti-ship missile defense. The Yankees know this very well. That's why they're fussing. But the first to enter the fray will be the SACs, SLBMs, and attack submarines with cruise missiles and anti-ship missiles on board. And they will strike from SBMs, covered by AVMAs, Björks, and Aegis missiles.
      And heavy surface ships with nuclear power plants will most likely carry out "raid operations" under the cover of naval forces, making sorties from the depths of the anti-aircraft missile defense system, to the line of application of their weapons.
      Somehow, however. AHA.
    3. 0
      18 May 2026 08: 29
      Any ship that comes within 100 km of an enemy's coast is a dead ship. However, if the enemy is powerful (China, Russia), this distance can easily be increased to 2000 km, so there's no question of contamination. Besides, the radiation isn't strong, and water effectively dampens it, and in wartime, little things matter.
  4. -2
    17 May 2026 07: 08
    these railguns, railguns, lasers and blasters

    It's not science fiction anymore. It works.
    1. 0
      26 May 2026 12: 46
      Yeah, especially if you say the magic spell "there's a HUH inside there" - and everything will work, including the warp drive! )))
  5. +4
    17 May 2026 07: 13
    By that time, such a huge amount of money will have disappeared into the unknown that one can only envy those who are holding the handle of the saw.

    So maybe this is what they are counting on?
    1. +3
      17 May 2026 08: 09
      However, if, say, a kinetic interception system is capable of hitting a warhead (less than a meter long) flying from space, then the inverse problem of hitting a 260m long ship with a warhead from space should be orders of magnitude simpler, so Trump's battleship may be vulnerable to ballistic missiles.
      1. +3
        17 May 2026 09: 14
        It will be orders of magnitude simpler if the ship is always within the field of view of some guidance and targeting systems. The problem isn't so much aiming the warhead, but rather knowing where to aim it.
    2. +4
      17 May 2026 14: 22
      Quote: Egoza
      So maybe this is what they are counting on?

      Actually, I'm really into Doni's "grand plans"!
      Off the top of my head: the SENTINEL, COLUMBIA, GOLDEN DOME programs, nuclear warhead replacement, COSMOS, B-21, and the national debt, which has already (!) exceeded 35 trillion dollars!!!
      Damn! A legitimate question arises: Won't the US economy collapse under such financial strain? Soon there will be no one left to plunder. All the satellites are already looking around – where to go to avoid being "sheared." The Asia-Pacific region is quietly crawling under Beijing's thumb. Europe is turning up its nose at Dhoni... The sheikhs are also on the run...
      So, it's very expensive and under-resourced. The "Golden Fleet"'s highlight might not even be realized... It's just too expensive. Even for the States. Yes
      1. +2
        17 May 2026 17: 39
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        the national debt has already (!) exceeded 35 trillion dollars

        You're behind the times. Trump only came into office in January 2025, and the national debt was already 36 trillion, now it's 39. Well, he put his man on the Fed, and now he'll print him another five trillion.
        1. +1
          17 May 2026 21: 02
          Quote from alexoff
          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          the national debt has already (!) exceeded 35 trillion dollars

          You're behind the times. Trump only came into office in January 2025, and the national debt was already 36 trillion, now it's 39. Well, he put his man on the Fed, and now he'll print him another five trillion.

          You can't even keep track of them! The printing press works around the clock... The growth gradient is astounding: in January it was $31,27 trillion, and by March 19.03, 2026, it was already $39,01 trillion.
          At the same time, Donya doesn’t have any complexes about this at all!
          1. +2
            17 May 2026 21: 11
            Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
            The growth gradient is striking: in January it was 31,27 trillion, and by March 19.03, 2026 it was already 39,01 trillion.
            Apparently they have different numbers everywhere, some accountants have one, others have another.
            Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
            At the same time, Donya doesn’t have any complexes about this at all!

            He's got a complex and demanded that the interest rate be lowered. After all, they're currently paying 15% of the budget in interest alone; it's something like $120 billion a month. Now he's got his man in the door, maybe he'll refinance at 1% per annum or arrange some other speculation so that less goes toward payments and more goes into the pockets of the right people. After all, these payments largely go to pension funds—they lend American pennies to the government so it can pay them back with interest. So we'll see how it ends. lol
  6. +3
    17 May 2026 08: 32
    They probably have the idea that a ship should be able to fend off any number of drones, missiles, and torpedoes. But that's just lasers. You can't stockpile enough anti-aircraft missile cells. And if it's lasers, they're colossal sources of energy.
    1. 0
      17 May 2026 09: 20
      If a warhead from space will overcome the dense layers of the atmosphere, a layer of 100 km, with an average speed of, for example, 4 km / s, then this will take 20-30 seconds, in this section the warhead can not be aimed at all, in 20 seconds a ship moving at a speed of 15 m / s will move a distance slightly more than the length of its hull, i.e., due to its size, it is very difficult for it to evade a hit, especially if the warhead splits into submunitions, by the way, when moving in dense layers of the atmosphere, plasma is generated around the object, the higher the speed, the more it is, and plasma can effectively reflect a laser beam, so how to evaporate a tungsten blank with a laser is an open question.
      1. +6
        17 May 2026 12: 18
        You probably imagine a warhead falling from space, straight up, like a bomb falling from an airplane's bomb bay? The laws of ballistics don't apply to it?
  7. +2
    17 May 2026 09: 01
    This is called American-style money grabbing!
  8. +3
    17 May 2026 09: 13
    As Caudle emphasized, the main advantage of a nuclear power plant is its virtually unlimited cruising range.

    I wonder how much use this unlimited range is if it's not backed up by an unlimited supply of ammunition. And all those little household items, like "crew purse," are also stored on the ship in finite quantities.
    1. +1
      17 May 2026 11: 12
      Different tonnage for supply.
      1. 0
        18 May 2026 11: 29
        Well, yes, the question is whether the gain from this different tonnage will be so great. Judging by the trips around Iran, the most pressing supply problem is replenishing the ammunition (primarily anti-aircraft missiles). If only because reloading missiles at sea is a real hassle, and if the ship goes into port to refuel, topping it up at the same time is no problem at all.
        1. 0
          18 May 2026 15: 03
          Fuel - special tanker several thousand tons.
          The missiles weigh several hundred tons. Can be transported by regular transport.
          Food and supplies - several tens of tons. Any vessel will do.
          All this for a month.
          1. 0
            18 May 2026 20: 40
            Fuel can be easily transferred in the open sea, but with missiles, this trick isn't so easy. So, if a ship isn't just selling its face, but is actively involved in combat, it inevitably becomes tied to ports, where it can refuel if needed.
            1. 0
              19 May 2026 05: 12
              If they don't bomb the tankers and the hot air. And in general, reloading and refueling at the base requires leaving the operational unit.
              1. 0
                19 May 2026 10: 51
                Quote: Victor Leningradets
                If they don't bomb the hotbed and the tankers.

                Well, there's no need to do this in front of the enemy.
                Quote: Victor Leningradets
                reloading/refueling at the base requires leaving the operational unit

                They demand it, but there is no other way to replenish the spent BC.
  9. +1
    17 May 2026 09: 16
    The cover image for the article actually depicts a small corvette-type ship.
  10. +1
    17 May 2026 10: 08
    Grandpa's dementia is just progressing, the main thing for him is to be "THE BIGGEST IN THE WORLD", well, it seems like next year they'll take him to the hospital and everyone will soon forget about his eccentricities.
    1. +1
      18 May 2026 11: 29
      Quote: denis.76
      The main thing for him is that it is "THE LARGEST IN THE WORLD"

      Everyone wants their own "has-no-analogue-in-the-world" ))
    2. 0
      26 May 2026 12: 49
      "Grandpa" isn't as stupid as he seems)) His voters, the shirnarb%dlomass, are only interested in being "the most... in the world"... just like any other plebs anywhere on earth.
  11. 0
    17 May 2026 10: 10
    What's the point of arguing when there's nothing?
    They want to revive it - that means there are reasons. There are pluses and minuses, as always.

    I already see one positive: writers all over the world have something to write about and earn money...
  12. +1
    17 May 2026 10: 42
    Let's put it this way: there isn't even an approved and published design plan yet, which would specify the approved systems and weapons. For now, we only have talk and abstract ideas about ships that change slightly every couple of months (precisely because there's no single, approved design standard yet).
    But when it appears, then we will be able to discuss its niche in the fleet and its usefulness/uselessness.
  13. +3
    17 May 2026 10: 46
    And the calculation isn't in millions of dollars, but in millions of watts of electricity. The question is, per minute or per second.
    .
    Can one trust the reasoning of such a "specialist"?
    1. +4
      17 May 2026 14: 31
      Quote: also a doctor
      Can one trust the reasoning of such a "specialist"?

      Colleague! What are you talking about? Don't you know Roma Skomorokhov?
      Roma is a PUBLICIST, not a specialist. His job is to throw out a topic (bone) so that forum members can chew it over until they're exhausted.
      That's what makes our Roma so famous: he has a keen sense of smell and accomplishes the task of stirring up the swamp of everyday life with a new topic. So there's something else to talk about besides the SVO and the terrorist antics of the Ukrainians.
      AHA.
  14. -2
    17 May 2026 11: 04
    But in its fleet there is nothing more or less large surface vessel (standard over 5000 tons) that is NOT from the USSR.
    1. +1
      17 May 2026 14: 44
      There are a number of proverbs of folk wisdom on this matter:
      - Stretch your legs according to your clothes; - we are happy with what we have; - take on a burden that suits you... etc.
      We're not the United States. Our shipbuilding industry isn't particularly advanced. The Central Bank's refinancing rate is 14,5% (in China, it's 2-3%, and under the national development program, it's MINUS (!) 1% of the loan!!!)
      That's why we're building frigates. GROMOV, for example, even has 8 more cruise missile launchers than Gorshkov (i.e., 24 units)... Everything else is just wishful thinking. Until better times. The main focus is on submarines. And that's RIGHT! Before you can destroy a submarine, you still have to find it. And you're not guaranteed to do it before the enemy does.
      So, let us live with a dream and hope for better times for our fleet’s NK.
      In the meantime: -- "Behind the coat of arms, we write for lodging." crying
      1. 0
        18 May 2026 16: 21
        What's right about that? For a submarine to be built, your BMZ needs to be protected, but our situation is dismal. It takes us eight years to build corvettes.
  15. +6
    17 May 2026 11: 18
    All right
    A large surface ship must be equipped with a nuclear power plant. Otherwise, the fleet becomes hostage to tankers and bunkering.
    The armament is debatable, as is the type of ship. Only in English, the word "battleship" literally means "warship." Similarly, "destroyer" translates as "destroyer."
  16. 0
    17 May 2026 12: 41
    Quote: malyvalv
    You can probably imagine that a warhead from space could fall straight down vertically?

    The higher the parabolic trajectory is, the closer to a right angle the line of fall at the target will be, but naturally there will not be a purely vertical fall.
  17. +1
    17 May 2026 13: 50
    What would it look like in the Persian Gulf if I had a nuclear battleship there, providing air protection, defense, and deploying its firepower to cover conventionally fueled ships...

    An armed nuclear icebreaker would also look good there.
  18. 0
    17 May 2026 15: 42
    So they'll build a battleship with a nuclear propulsion plant. And then what about the armament? It'll be like a Zumwalt. They don't even know where to mount it or what to arm it with. What happened to the Bismarck and Yamato battleships? These ones will also end up with nothing but radioactive contamination wherever they sink.
  19. +1
    17 May 2026 17: 21
    The Chief of Naval Operations said the abandonment of nuclear-powered surface combatants was one of the worst decisions his department ever made.
    Well, yes, spending money on both a global network of naval bases and the world's largest supply fleet, and simultaneously on nuclear-powered ships, is a very smart decision.
    Building a ship three times larger to carry the same number of missiles as a moderately sized cruiser? Frankly, it's surprising.
    It's no secret that this cruiser was overloaded. It's also no secret that destroyers and nuclear-powered submarines, not cruisers, were used for the AUG's ASW missions. It's also clear that with a nuclear propulsion plant, endurance can be increased to six months, which also requires space. Furthermore, a larger displacement makes storms easier, and the ability to fire weapons in rough seas increases. Finally, they can provide decent armor. Not just an armor belt, but armor for critical or dangerous ship components. The Kurbiki will be blown away, but the reactor, engines, and main battery will continue to operate. A sort of beloved American "all or nothing" scenario, but at a minimum.
  20. +2
    17 May 2026 19: 17
    Flag in hand, armored train coming towards us...
    I sincerely worry about the Americans. I hope they spend as much money as possible on this much-needed ship...
    And yes, more and more railguns... And Zumvolts... This is so promising and creative.
    I hope their AI will take into account the recommendations of the shipbuilding engineer.
  21. +1
    18 May 2026 08: 24
    Budget embezzlement is sacred, and it needs to be done quickly while Trump is still in office. A new one will come in and the program will be scrapped.
    1. 0
      26 May 2026 12: 55
      Quote: Victor Sergeev
      A new one will come and the program will be closed.

      Was it when military contracts were terminated during a change of power?
      Well, a "Democrat" will come to the White House again... well, contractors of multi-billion dollar contracts will make charitable contributions to other, "correct" congressmen-senators, they will introduce "quotas for ABC+ engineers" and will proudly report how battleships are fighting global warming.
      And the pictures won't show "battleships with lasers and railguns off the coast of Iran," but the exact same thing "off the coast of Russia"...
      The essence will never change)
      The budget is being cut, the plebeian voters are happy)
  22. 0
    18 May 2026 08: 29
    It would be great if the US actually invested resources into building these unnecessary and expensive ships...
  23. 0
    18 May 2026 15: 45
    Quote: WapentakeLokki
    Armor...composites + titanium...and I think the armor resistance is in the region of 1000 mm equivalent of homogeneous steel.

    Ships nowadays have virtually no armor at all. What composites are there, anyway?
    Photos of American destroyers from some exercise have been surfacing for a long time now, where one was accidentally holed by a missile - you could pick it out with your finger.
  24. 0
    18 May 2026 16: 25
    There's one thing I don't understand. How can a ship three times lighter than an aircraft carrier cost 1.5 times more than the same aircraft carrier? An aircraft carrier isn't exactly a simple ship either.
    1. 0
      26 May 2026 12: 55
      Um... ships aren't actually sold by weight )))
  25. 0
    18 May 2026 19: 59
    Trump's nuclear battleship is a Soviet nuclear-powered missile cruiser at a new technological level.