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A-1 "Skyrader". The Last of the Mohicans

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In the middle of the 40's, Douglas began work on creating an aircraft to replace a well-proven Dauntless in battle - later historians put it among the best carrier-based dive bombers of World War II.


Dauntless deck diving bomber


Suspended weapons were supposed to be placed on three pylons: one of them was located under the fuselage, and the other two were located in the root of the wing. The latter also performed a protective role in the emergency landing with the main chassis retracted. Defensive weapons on the Dauntless II was not installed. The pilot was in a spacious cabin under a teardrop-shaped lantern.
The high flight performance of the aircraft was supposed to be provided by installing a new Cyclone 18 R3350-24 engine with an 2500 horsepower, however, the car was built earlier than the engine stuck at the testing stage due to numerous defects. It was necessary to install ready-to-use Dauntless II prototypes to install already-used R3350-8 engines with an 2300 horsepower.
Great attention was paid to the designers of the cockpit layout. As a result of this work, the cabin was, according to pilots, the most perfect for its time. The first flight of the prototype XBT2D-1 was scheduled for 1 June 1945.
Factory tests lasted five weeks, during which time the aircraft made about 40 flights. All design characteristics were carefully checked, and the company was satisfied with the new machine. L. Brown overtook her at the Patuxent River Navy test site in Maryland and handed it over to military pilots for further tests. According to marine test pilots, the XBT2D-1 was the best carrier-based bomber ever tested at a center. The machine is fully compliant fleet. The simplicity of piloting and aircraft maintenance made a favorable impression.
Of course, it was not without comments: the pilots demanded to equip the cockpit with oxygen devices, and the technical staff - to enhance the lighting of the cockpit and tail section with the equipment. The company quickly satisfied the wishes of the flight and technical staff. 5 May 1945, the representatives of the command of the Navy signed a protocol with the company Douglas about the intention to acquire the 548 machines BT2D.
With the end of World War II, the production of combat aircraft was stopped a day after the end of hostilities.
The cost of canceled contracts was about 8 billion dollars. More than 30 000 aircraft, which were in varying degrees of readiness, were sent for scrapping.
The number of BT2D bombers ordered by Douglas was also significantly reduced, first to 377 and then to 277 aircraft. And such a small, in comparison with the wartime, order became the “lifeline” for the Douglas firm - after all at that time the rest of the aircraft building companies suffered huge losses. Until the end of 1945, all 25 prototype aircraft were built.
The first four were equipped with "temporary" engines R3350-8, and the rest - the first serial engines R3350-24W, which were provided for the project. In addition to the three main pylons for the outboard armament, under the consoles of the wing, we fixed another 12 of small suspension units designed for 50 kg each. Gun armament consisted of two 20-mm guns.
In an effort to oust their main competitor, Martin's Mauler, Douglas designers presented the BT2D as a versatile aircraft capable of solving almost all the tasks facing a deck-based strike and auxiliary aviation. To demonstrate this quality, the company upgraded six prototypes: the XBT2D-1P reconnaissance aircraft was made from one, the XBT2D-1Q electronic warfare aircraft from the other, and the XBT2D-1W radar detection and patrol aircraft from the third. Two vehicles with upgraded equipment and a radar in an overhead container were tested as XBT2D-1N night bombers. And finally, the last aircraft became the prototype for the next modification of the XBT2D-2 and was considered a carrier-based attack aircraft.
In February, 1946 of the BT2D Dontless II was renamed Skyraider (Sky Raider). In April, the class of aircraft VT (torpedo bomber) in the US fleet was abolished. He was replaced by class A - attack aircraft, and Skyraider received a new designation - AD.
In the late spring of 1946, several AD prototypes were tested on the deck of an aircraft carrier. The strength of these machines turned out to be very low and their design could hardly withstand the hard landings characteristic of all deck aircraft. Most of the identified deficiencies related to the low strength of the chassis and the docking areas of the wing and the stabilizer with the fuselage. We had to strengthen the weaknesses, and the serial AD-1 began to weigh on the 234 kg more experienced XBT2D-1. The first serial attack aircraft took off on November 5 1946 of the year.
The transfer of aircraft in combat squadrons VA-3B and VA-4B (aircraft carriers Sicily and Franklin D. Roosevelt) began in April 1947 year. Mass production continued until the middle of the 1948 year. In addition to bombs and torpedoes, X-NUMX-mm HVAR unguided missiles, known as Holly Moses, were part of the AD-1 armament. The maximum speed of the vehicle was 127 km / h, the flight range - 574 km. Total was built 2500 serial aircraft AD-241.
Especially for night strikes on ground targets, Douglas has developed a night modification of the AD-3N attack aircraft.



Between September 1949 and May 1950, the 15 fleet of such aircraft was built and delivered. The crew of the night attack aircraft consisted of three people. Under the left wing of the wing was suspended container with a radar station.



The next serial modification was the AD-4 Skyraider with the R3350-26WA engine with 2700l.s power designed specifically for the Korean War. The design took into account the experience of applying previous modifications. To protect the pilot from small-arms fire weapons frontal part of the lantern closed armored glass.
To facilitate piloting in long flights on attack aircraft, the autopilot was installed and the instrument layout was changed on the dashboard. To reduce accidents during landings, increased the brake hook. The number of wing guns increased to four. After all the modifications, the take-off weight of the aircraft increased, and the range decreased to 2000km. However, these disadvantages are more than offset by the increased effectiveness of the application. Before the end of the war, they managed to build more than 300 "Korean" AD-4, all in all, 398 units were produced.



During the Korean War, "Skyraider" was one of the main aircraft of the US Navy, and it was used by the Marine Corps squadrons.
The first combat missions were made on July 3 1950 of the year. In Korea, Skyraders held a unique stories torpedo attack, and also scored one aerial victory (By-2,16 June 1953 of the year). According to reports, the 128 A-1 attack aircraft of all modifications were lost in the three years of war. Compared with piston "Mustangs" and "Corsairs" used to solve the same problems, "Skyrader" favorably distinguished by better survivability and greater bomb load.


US Navy carrier-based fighter F4U "Corsair"


A-1 "Skyrader". The Last of the Mohicans

US Air Force fighter P-51D "Mustang"


At the end of the 40-ies, a version of the Skyraider attack aircraft with the designation AD-4B was developed for the transportation and use of nuclear weapons — a tactical nuclear bomb of the Mk.7 or Mk.8 type. The 7 X. MCN XX series production began in the 1 year - for the first time in history, the size and weight of the bomb allowed it to be delivered by tactical aircraft.
A typical bomb for an atomic attack aircraft was one bomb and two outboard fuel tanks according to 1136.
The most massive modification of the aircraft was the attack aircraft AD-6.
During its creation, the main emphasis was placed on increasing the survivability of the aircraft in the face of strong opposition from enemy air defenses. To this end, the AD-4B cab and the fuel tanks of the attack aircraft were protected with overlayed armor plates, some units were redesigned in the hydraulic and fuel systems and some of them were duplicated to increase survivability. On the AD-6 installed upgraded engine R3350-26WD power 2700 hp Serial production of the sixth modification went simultaneously with the fifth. Total was built 713 aircraft. Production completed in 1957. In 1962, cars received a new designation - A-1Н.
By the middle of the 1960s, the Skyrader could be considered an obsolete plane.
Despite this, he continued his combat career during the Vietnam War.
A-1 participated in the first raid on North Vietnam 5 August 1964. The US Navy used the A-1H single-seater version up to 1968, mainly over North Vietnam, where they claim that they were able to win two victories over MiG-17 jet fighters (20 June 1965 and 9 October October 1966) with piston attack aircraft. The USAF used both the A-1H and the two-seat A-1E.



In 1968, the Skyraders began to be replaced by modern jet engines and transferred to the South Vietnamese allies.
These aircraft showed high efficiency in providing direct support to ground forces, but were best known for participating in search and rescue operations. The low speed and time spent in the air allowed A-1 to escort rescue helicopters, including over North Vietnam. Having reached the area where the downed pilot was located, the Skyraders began patrolling and, if necessary, suppressed the enemy’s anti-aircraft positions. In this role, they were used practically until the end of the war. Only two months before the cessation of the bombing of North Vietnam, at the end of 1972, the search and rescue helicopter escort was transferred to A-7 attack aircraft. After that, all remaining cars were transferred to the Air Force of South Vietnam, in which until the middle of the war was the main attack aircraft. The loss of American "Skyraders" in Southeast Asia accounted for 266 aircraft. After the fall of the Saigon regime, several dozen combat-ready aircraft of this type went to North Vietnam as trophies.


Trophy A-1H in the “Museum of the Traces of War” in Ho Chi Minh


During the war, two pilots of Skyraders were awarded the highest US military award - the Medal of Honor. Skyraider did not have time to take part in World War II, but these planes were used on a large scale in Korea and Vietnam. By the beginning of the Vietnam War, the plane already looked like an anachronism, but, nevertheless, it was used no less successfully than jet machines. It is not known where and when Skyraider made its last combat mission. But it is authentically known that several such aircraft took part in the armed conflict in Chad in 1979.



Currently, several restored Skyraider aircraft delight their flights with aviation enthusiasts in Europe and the United States.



Finishing the life story of this wonderful aircraft, I want to compare its fate with a similar-purpose machine created in the USSR at about the same time.
IL-10 attack aircraft, was built as a replacement for IL-2, taking into account the experience of combat use of attack aircraft and managed to take part in the last battles of World War II.
Its improved, modernized version, with enhanced weapons IL-10M, was launched into the series in the postwar period, was successfully used during the Korean War. He formed the basis of attack aircraft in the USSR Air Force, until its liquidation by Khrushchev at the end of 50, when hundreds of combat-ready aircraft scrapped.

Based on materials:
http://ammokor.ucoz.ru/index/skyraider_vo_vetname/0-104
http://www.cofe.ru/avia/D/D-110.htm
http://wunderwaffe.narod.ru/Magazine/MK/2006_08/04.htm
http://www.hobbyplus.info/war_history/flying_ad_skyraider.htm
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  1. datur
    datur 22 May 2013 08: 52
    11
    handsome devil, though vrazhin !!!
    1. REZMovec
      REZMovec 22 May 2013 22: 18
      +1
      Handsome?!. In which place??? Freak. IMHO
  2. Canep
    Canep 22 May 2013 09: 32
    15
    The Americans are much better than us regarding the preservation of technical samples; they also fly these samples. In our country, in order to have such a car owned by an individual, you need to beat so many thresholds and collect so many pieces of paper that a normal person does not have enough strength. The state considers us all to be terrorists, and we must prove the opposite ourselves. I think we will find many collectors, and just lovers of aviation and other equipment that could keep this equipment in good condition.
  3. avt
    avt 22 May 2013 09: 42
    +3
    The car is interesting, not to say that it is very beautiful, but attractive. In general, I liked the article +. But here is the analogy -------- Concluding the biography of this wonderful aircraft, I want to compare its fate with a machine of a similar purpose, created in the USSR at about the same time.
    The IL-10 attack aircraft, was built as a replacement for the IL-2, taking into account the experience of combat use of attack aircraft and managed to take part in the last battles of World War II .------- Well, this is overkill. Comparing machines initially for different technical requirements created on the grounds that they were used as attack aircraft {and one specifically to them} was too much.
    1. carbofo
      carbofo 22 May 2013 09: 52
      +3
      Quote: avt
      Compare cars initially for different technical requirements created

      No matter what task it was created on, its role in the battle is important, I think that the IL-10 is an order of magnitude more efficient and tenacious.
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 22 May 2013 22: 18
        10
        Quote: carbofo
        IL-10 is much more efficient and tenacious.


        IL-10 combat load: up to 600 kg of various weapons
        Sky took up to 3600 kg at 15 nodes of the suspension. Il’s armor is certainly better, but Sky didn’t attack the columns even though it was conceived as a deck-based attack aircraft, and the main attack of fighter planes without them and armored Il’s were very vulnerable from German attacks
        1. carbofo
          carbofo 24 May 2013 15: 06
          0
          Quote: Vadivak

          IL-10 was a heavily armored ground attack aircraft, hence the low combat load, and its task was to attack targets well protected from air attacks.
          Skye was engaged in shelling from afar in the bushes, without going into the fire zone of small arms and cannon weapons, hence the low requirements for armor, and the high combat load.
  4. avt
    avt 22 May 2013 10: 09
    -4
    Quote: carbofo
    No matter what task it was created on, its role in the battle is important, I think that the IL-10 is an order of magnitude more efficient and tenacious.

    request Well then write an article and compare the P-47 with the Tu-2. If it makes no difference that one is a clean attack aircraft, and the other is a deck torpedo bomber.
    1. carbofo
      carbofo 22 May 2013 14: 48
      +3
      Quote: avt
      Quote: carbofo
      No matter what task it was created on, its role in the battle is important, I think that the IL-10 is an order of magnitude more efficient and tenacious.

      request Well then write an article and compare the P-47 with the Tu-2. If it makes no difference that one is a clean attack aircraft, and the other is a deck torpedo bomber.

      I’ll explain again, different types of aircraft can be compared if they perform similar tasks.
      R-47 fighter-bomber.
      Tu-2 diving bomber. AND NOT A STORM ATTACK !!!
      Do you have the feeling that these are radically different planes, or do you think that comparing the Mig-29 and Tu-160 is acceptable?
      1. avt
        avt 22 May 2013 15: 32
        -2
        Quote: carbofo
        I’ll explain again, different types of aircraft can be compared if they perform similar tasks.

        request Well, you can also wash your borscht and then compare the morning hygiene task with different types of liquids, although borscht will not be an analogue of water.
        Quote: carbofo
        Do you have the feeling that these are radically different planes, or do you think that comparing the Mig-29 and Tu-160 is acceptable?

        laughing Actually, I’m trying to explain exactly this and that the IL-10 and A-1 are radically different planes and the design decisions during their creation were different, but the campaign was unsuccessful.
        1. carbofo
          carbofo 23 May 2013 10: 34
          0
          You misinterpret what was said, a-1 was created as a bomber, and then it was used as an attack aircraft.
          IL-10 was originally created as an attack aircraft.
          That is, if they miscalculated different tasks during the design, they were used for the same thing, of course I mean the main activities, because during the war we had light bombers and fighters involved in assault missions, which does not correspond to the airplane’s tasks its designs.
          As for your example p-47 and tu-2, this is, unlike our pair, completely different planes in terms of tasks and design.
          There was such a Mig-3 airplane, created before the war and turned out to be the only one on an equal footing with the M-109, but was used without the use of its strengths, so it did not show what it was capable of.
          1. avt
            avt 23 May 2013 17: 24
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            Quote: carbofo
            There was such a Mig-3 airplane, created before the war and turned out to be the only one on an equal footing with the M-109, but was used without the use of its strengths, so it did not show what it was capable of.

            Bf-109 designed to work at medium altitudes was worse than a high-altitude fighter MiG-3? request laughing Oh, these tales, oh, these storytellers. You look at the characteristics of the aircraft, if not laziness, the speed charts in height, yes, and specify better which Bf-109 E-Emil, F-Friedrich was a MiG-3. And maybe better than D - Dora?
            1. carbofo
              carbofo 24 May 2013 15: 00
              +1
              No, it wasn’t, it was just planes that had different combat capabilities at different heights.
              If up to 5000m 109 exceeded Mig-3, then the advantage was higher in an instant.
              http://topwar.ru/18589-aviaciya-krasnoy-armii-velikoy-otechestvennoy-voyny-chast
              -8-istrebiteli-mig-i-la.html
              With equal pilot experience and the beginning of the battle without an advantage, Mig-3 was an equal plane with 109.
              Due to the lack of proper use of mi-3 as a high-altitude fighter and the shortcomings in the use of advantageous maneuvers for different types of fighters, the use of instant-3 was unsuccessful, the capabilities laid down in the aircraft were not realized.
              MiG-3 in 1943 was removed from service, so with the latest 109, he did not fly.
              The upgraded version of the fighter was named MiG-3. Designed by Mikoyan and Gurevich Design Bureau (OKB-155) - a single-engine, single, single, high-altitude fighter-interceptor of the Air Defense Forces of the Red Army of the USSR of the Great Patriotic War. Motor A. A. Mikulin AM-35A take-off power of 1350 hp. In the MiG-3, the shortcomings of the MiG-1 were mostly eliminated, but some of its negative properties could not be overcome. The landing speed was great - at least 144 km / h, insufficient maneuverability at low altitudes, the turn radius was large, but at an altitude of more than 6 thousand meters it was better than other fighters in maneuverability. The turn time is 26-27 s. Despite the significant take-off weight (3350 kg), the speed of the serial MiG-3 at the ground slightly exceeded 500 km / h, at an altitude of 7 thousand m it reached 640 km / h. It was then the highest speed in the world achieved on production aircraft. It was a promising aircraft. However, with the outbreak of war it became clear that the main air battles take place at low and medium altitudes, at which the maneuverability of the MiG-3 deteriorated sharply. Together with weak armament compared to other fighters, this was the main reason for the MiG-3 being removed from production in 1942.
  5. Iraclius
    Iraclius 22 May 2013 11: 06
    10
    Thank you for the article! Skyraders often flash in American films about the Vietnam War.
    The main advantage of these piston hard workers over jet aircraft is their low speed when approaching the target, high bomb load and the ability to hang in the air for a long time. Is it a joke - the maximum combat load of the Skyrider exceeded the practical load of the B-17 four-engine strategic bomber.

    By the way, during the Korean War, the A-1 pilot performed a dubious "feat", shooting down an airplane in aerial combat ... PO-2. lol
    1. Bongo
      22 May 2013 14: 13
      10
      The Americans called the night Po-2 "Chinese alarm clocks" which annoyed the "UN soldiers" very much; for the infantrymen in the trenches, these were the most hated aircraft.
  6. il grand casino
    il grand casino 22 May 2013 13: 27
    +5
    Nevertheless, the aircraft at Amer were good
  7. _KM_
    _KM_ 22 May 2013 13: 43
    +4
    It would be interesting to compare the effectiveness of such an aircraft with an attack helicopter.
    1. Bongo
      22 May 2013 14: 10
      +8
      If you compare it with the AN-1 "Cobra", then "Skyrader" is better armed, protected, has great speed and range. But inferior to the helicopter in flexibility and maneuvering.
  8. Iraclius
    Iraclius 22 May 2013 14: 18
    +1
    AN-1 "Cobra" was used as a delivery vehicle for airborne infantry. His shock capabilities were severely limited. The A-1 replaced the B-17 long-range bomber.
    I, here, I think - and the thermal homing heads will respond to the exhaust of a piston engine?
    1. Bongo
      22 May 2013 14: 26
      10
      Do not confuse the purely shock "Cobra" with the multipurpose "Iroquois", on May 8 an article about the "Cobra" was published:
      http://topwar.ru/27579-boevoy-vertolet-ah-1kobra.html
      Definitely react, especially modern, but the thermal visibility of the piston, much less than the reactive. This will affect the range of capture of TGS.
      1. Iraclius
        Iraclius 22 May 2013 15: 25
        +3
        Yes, I'm sorry. Confused with Iroquois, of course. yes
        In any case, the impact capabilities of the Cobra are not comparable to the A-1. request
        As for thermal invisibility. I doubt very much that modern homing heads will react. I don’t know much about the issue, therefore I ask.
        I'm just trying to imagine how these old men would look in modern local conflicts, subject to modernization - with modern electronic stuffing and weapons.
        1. Bongo
          22 May 2013 15: 38
          +5
          In Vietnam, there were cases of Skyraders being hit by Strela-2M MANPADS missiles, the last shot down in this war with MANPADS was the AS-119 piston-powered gunship.
          The United States has ordered a batch of Brazilian A-29 Supertukanos, so there is a future for such aircraft.
          1. avt
            avt 22 May 2013 16: 17
            +2
            Quote: Bongo
            The United States has ordered a batch of Brazilian A-29 Supertukanos, so there is a future for such aircraft.

            In Vietnam, they used the piston Techan and the A-37 converted from a training jet, in general, they tried everything they could in the counter-guerrilla version.
            1. Bongo
              22 May 2013 16: 20
              +5
              The A-37 was a very successful machine; after the Vietnam War, one even got tested in the USSR. But not that "not forever under the moon", it took a new, inexpensive and economical anti-guerrilla light attack aircraft.
              1. Argon
                Argon 22 May 2013 23: 21
                +3
                And they made it OV-10 "Bronco", the main task during the day, escorting helicopters, he could even land on poorly prepared sites. smile
                1. Bongo
                  23 May 2013 00: 35
                  +6
                  The Bronco is more of an observation aircraft and a surveyor. What follows from its designation OV-10But as a light attack aircraft, he was also not bad, although he was much inferior in mass and composition of A-1 weapons. But there are very few of them left in the flight condition.
  9. Chicot 1
    Chicot 1 22 May 2013 18: 15
    10
    Yes, one of those considered successful. Thought out to the smallest detail, unpretentious, efficient and reliable. What else does a combat pilot need? ..
    Thanks to the author for the material! And from me the traditional air art with the "hero of the occasion" ... smile

    A1 Skyraider
  10. old man54
    old man54 22 May 2013 18: 30
    +7
    good article, "+". I'm sure. that the Yankees used them in Vietnam only because their air defense was then sharpened for high-altitude targets, and with that speed you can tickle the belly of the jungle crown. :) well, very doubtful! Although it can, of course, once, by accident, due to the rotozyme of the pilot of the latter. Or maybe when taking off from the MiG-17 runway during their attack on the airfield, then I'll still believe it, and so ...
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 22 May 2013 22: 23
      +3
      Quote: old man54
      I am sure. that the Yankees used them in Vietnam only because air defense was then sharpened by their appanages for high-altitude targets,

      In total, the USSR provided the Vietnamese army with 316 combat aircraft, 23 SA-75M Dvina anti-aircraft missile systems and two S-125 missile regiments (they began to be delivered in 1971)

      At that time in the VNA air defense system there were about 30-35 anti-aircraft artillery regiments and separate divisions, which were armed with anti-aircraft guns of small (37- and 57-mm) and medium (100-mm) caliber. Small caliber guns prevailed. Regiments and separate divisions covered the largest objects or advanced to probable directions of US aviation flights. Separate divisions of ZA (divisions and batteries) covered small-sized objects (bridges, crossings, oil storages, etc.), and also were part of the anti-ship missile system as a means of direct cover.


      I do not want to look like a wise opponent, but as they say- Feel the difference
      1. old man54
        old man54 23 May 2013 17: 21
        +1
        Quote: Vadivak

        I do not want to look like a wise opponent, but as they say- Feel the difference

        Thank you for such enceclopedic data on the air defense of the army of northern Vietnam, it was interesting to read. But as far as I know, the Skyrader always went to the target at very low altitudes, even from the American dock. war chronicles are visible. Those. the time for the reaction of Vietnam's cannon air defense was extremely short, "+" the lack of radar warning and target designation for the approach of enemy aircraft, but only command-visual (commander with binoculars). Aiming is visual, without the issuance of radiometric data for shooting about the speed and distance to the object, peep-ahead, etc. those. dense forest, which greatly reduces the visual horizon and the detection time of low-flying targets!
    2. Bongo
      23 May 2013 00: 36
      +4
      They shot down MiG-17s when they tried to turn around with the Skyraders.
      1. old man54
        old man54 23 May 2013 16: 55
        +1
        Quote: Bongo
        "Skyraders"

        Well, why is it like this, eh? :) I'm not a pilot myself, but ... I think that this is your statement "ears are drawn", forgive me. I do not have data for a thorough, professional comparison of the LH of both, such as the minimum radius of turn and time for a full turn, time for a loop, etc., but I have general data on the performance characteristics and LH of both from Wikipedia, based on which you can calculate on your "fingers":
        1. "Skyrader" has a maximum takeoff weight of 11340kg, equipped with 8180kg, empty weight of 5400kg, so we can assume that its mass in the target area may be about 8 tons. Its engine power is 2700 hp, max. speed 520 km / h.
        2. The MiG-17 has a max. take-off weight 6070 kg, empty weight 3800 kg., so I think we can take its weight in 5 tone during a maneuver battle with Douglas A-1 and not make a big mistake. The MiG-17 has an engine thrust of 202500 hp. and max. speed 1070 km / h at an altitude of 5 km.
        And what do we see in the end? MiG-17, which has almost 2 times the max. speed, lighter than the enemy by 3 tons and in terms of engine power generally surpasses it by almost 10 times !!! And how could the "Skyrader" twist successful turns with our MiG with such a ratio of the main technical and flight characteristics, I do not understand! I do not even take into account that the MiG-17 is a clean fighter, and the Douglas A-1 Skyrader is a clean attack aircraft! And where was it seen that an attack aircraft would win a battle against a fighter, eh? (Il-2/10 and Me-109 for example).
        1. Bongo
          24 May 2013 04: 05
          +2
          Don't forget that the Skyraider has a lot more wing area, the piston engine is much more responsive. This gave him an advantage in horizontal maneuver near the ground, at low speeds. The Me-109 was also much superior in engine power and speed to, say, the I-15. But he could not compete on a bend with him.
        2. Bongo
          24 May 2013 05: 10
          +2
          Me-109 and IL-2-peers, both machines piston.
          I found data on the turn-around time of these machines, it turns out that the "Skyrader" has it almost 2 times less.
          1. old man54
            old man54 24 May 2013 14: 53
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            Quote: Bongo
            Me-109 and IL-2-peers, both machines piston.
            I found data on the turn-around time of these machines, it turns out that the "Skyrader" has it almost 2 times less.

            interesting, you can link, I want to read
            1. Bongo
              25 May 2013 08: 48
              +3
              The time for performing the turn of the MiG-17, is estimated at 60-75 seconds, depending on the modification, found the time for performing the turn of the R-47, he has this indicator in 30 seconds. I think the "skyrader" is no worse, without bombs, of course.
  11. avt
    avt 22 May 2013 18: 41
    +2
    Quote: old man54
    Allegations of amers that "Skyraider" shot down the MiG-17 are very doubtful! Although it can, of course, once, by accident, due to the rotozyme of the pilot of the latter. Or maybe when taking off from the MiG-17 runway during their attack on the airfield, then I will still believe, and so

    With practical superiority in the air - it can be assumed in the case of an airdrome blocking, they successfully used such tactics against the Me-262, most of which were shot down by piston aircraft either on takeoff or landing.
  12. Ilyukha
    Ilyukha 22 May 2013 19: 44
    10
    The main workhorse of the Americans in Vietnam was, of course, the UH-1 Iroquois helicopter in all its variants.
    But the main disadvantages of the helicopter are the low speed and range.
    "Skyraders" could hang in the air over the area of ​​hostilities for 6-8 hours (the helicopter is 1.5-2 hours, by comparison) and strike with all the power of their weapons, which in terms of mass cannot be compared with any helicopter.
    "skyrader" was the only type of aircraft that could strike not "on call", but from the "air watch" position
    It is not entirely appropriate to compare the IL-10 and the Skyrader, they are very different machines.
    A distant American, almost unarmored, made according to the needs of the war over the Pacific Ocean with aircraft carriers.
    IL-10M - short range and armored load, designed to iron the front edge of the enemy, the main task is to survive under fire from the ground.
    Very different cars, but both are very beautiful!