Shoigu: "Sarmat" is a great victory for our science, industry, and designers

Russian Security Council Secretary Sergei Shoigu, answering journalists' questions in Bishkek following the meeting of the heads of the SCO Security Councils, gave a detailed assessment of the successful tests. rocket complex "Sarmat":

This is a very, very large and serious project in rocket engineering. Achieving such a global-range missile with such characteristics is a major victory for our science, our industry, and our designers.

However, his statement would be incomplete without a key clarification:

This is, of course, a very serious step when we achieve a range of 35 thousand. This, of course, moves Russia to the next stage, the next level.

Vladimir Putin previously stated that the Sarmat is the most powerful missile system in the world. It is four times more powerful than its most capable Western counterparts. The missile can travel on ballistic and suborbital trajectories, approaching the enemy from the direction where it is least expected.

In other words, Russia's defense industry is advancing. The Sarmat is clear evidence of this. However, the capabilities of its potential adversary, according to Shoigu's assessment, are increasingly questionable. Russia, as the Security Council Secretary noted, isn't simply catching up—it's setting new weapons standards that even established systems are struggling to meet.

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[Normann]

However, everyone knows what kind of Minister of Defense Shoigu turned out to be.

[topol717]

Quote: Normann

However, everyone knows what kind of Minister of Defense Shoigu turned out to be.

They speak better than the head of the Ministry of Emergency Situations

[vitaliy20091959]

and neither of this nor of that, in general, no one at all, although maybe a fisherman-hunter

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Normann

However, everyone knows what kind of Minister of Defense Shoigu turned out to be.

It happens that a Great Coach emerges from a not-so-stellar athlete.
And sometimes a Great Athlete becomes a mediocre coach and earns money not from sports, but from participating in television projects...

It happens that even an excellent and irreplaceable Minister of Emergency Situations can't handle the Ministry of Defense. Because even under orders from the Supreme Commander, it's impossible to become a good military leader...
Maybe there was no point in trying?

[Boris Sergeev]

Did Ivanov really pull the trigger? And what about Serdyukov? No one pulled anything; they just did what they were told, guaranteed they wouldn't be abandoned. Just like with the Kinder Surprise in 1998.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Boris Sergeev

Was it really Ivanov who pulled it off? And what about Serdyukov?

I was only talking about Shoigu. As for waiting for Zhukov—I don't know if we'll get him...

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Zoldat_A

And as for waiting for Zhukov, I don’t know if we’ll get it.

Judging by the results of his work as Chief of the General Staff, it would be better not to.

[BOCTOBER 77]

Shoigu failed to reform the army and failed to implement the requirements of the 2014 Russian Federation Military Doctrine. He failed to prepare the army for the Second Military Defense. He faces a litany of demands and criticism: don't wear a military uniform...
The USSR had nuclear parity with the USA, and where is the USSR?
The US has long adopted a doctrine of staging local conflicts on Russia's borders with the goal of disintegrating it. They're trying to destroy us, like the USSR, from within. To this end, the US prepared Ukraine for war and provoked the SVO. The SVO isn't the first such conflict, and, unfortunately, it won't be the last. The US orchestrated and orchestrated it all. And now they're posing as peacekeepers. And our leadership is suffering from amnesia again...

[nik-mazur]

Quote: BOCTOK 77

Shoigu didn't reform the army... The USSR had nuclear parity with the US... The US has long adopted the doctrine of organizing local conflicts on Russia's borders... our leadership has amnesia again

I sincerely apologize, but why did you write all this to me? What does it have to do with my comment?

[BOCTOBER 77]

Zhukov's performance as Chief of the General Staff was mediocre. Rokossovsky, his commander, noted his poor map management and his lack of the necessary skills for a staff officer. Moreover, Zhukov served as Chief of the General Staff before and during the war, and he bears considerable responsibility for what happened during that period.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: BOCTOK 77

Zhukov performed mediocrely in his post as Chief of the General Staff

I'm aware of that, actually. And that's exactly what I meant when I said it was better not to have someone like Zhukov as either Chief of the General Staff or Minister of Defense.

[alexboguslavski]

Quote: Zoldat_A

And as for waiting for Zhukov, I don’t know if we’ll get it.

Zhukov was the USSR's Minister of Defense. It turned out that commanding armies and fronts during wartime was easier than managing military construction and administration in peacetime. He couldn't handle it. He hadn't even managed it before, when he allowed himself to be used as a pawn in Khrushchev's game against L.P. Beria after Stalin's death.

[alexoff]

Did Ivanov really pull it?

By the way, I don't remember Ivanov being charged with anything.

[Boris Sergeev]

So compare his words with the results of the SVO:

https://www.1tv.ru/news/2001-03-31/280301-voennaya_reforma_sergeya_ivanova

[alexoff]

So where is the SVO and where is Ivanov? Can we compare it to the Chechen war or the Georgian conflict?

[Boris Sergeev]

Under Ivanov, the reduction of the Armed Forces began, and, mind you, it was not the needs and goals that were taken as the basis, but some “average global indicators.”

The Russian Ministry of Defense has announced a large-scale reduction in senior officer ranks. The number of generals and admirals is to be reduced to the global average: one general or admiral per 1,000 service members.

The main victims of the upcoming cuts will be the military and logistics sectors, as well as representatives of the engineering service and the biological, radiation, and chemical defense service. The general reform will also affect a number of staff positions, but not at the highest level. Specifically, colonels will serve in the armies as deputy commanders for armaments and logistics. Furthermore, colonels will now head the staffs of corps, test sites, and cosmodromes, and will also take up positions as duty generals of the branches of the armed forces.

[alexoff]

In addition, colonels will now head the headquarters of corps, test sites, and cosmodromes, and will also occupy the positions of duty generals of the armed forces.

It sounds like he was cutting back on the number of generals. I can't say whether that's a good thing or a bad thing; our generals do more harm than good.

[astepanov]

Quote: Boris Sergeev

Did Ivanov really pull it? And Serdyukov? No one pulled anything.

But the subordinates of these gentlemen were pulling, and they really were pulling, and not just what wasn't there. They filled their personal coffers (and perhaps still are) with ingenuity, diligence, and courage. Even when the story of Colonels Cherkalin and Zakharchenko made a splash, it became clear that the threads led to the very top. In fact, that's how things have been since the collapse of the USSR.

[Arkady007]

A friend of mine, when Shoigu left the Ministry of Emergency Situations for the Armed Forces (he wasn't the least important person there), expressed great pity for the military over a glass of tea, predicting frequent uniform changes and lavish parades with banquets and young secretaries. I didn't want to believe him either. But he turned out to be 100% right, knowing the situation in the Ministry of Emergency Situations at the time.

[qQQQ]

Quote: Zoldat_A

the irreplaceable Minister of Emergency Situations

Was there a boy? In my opinion, Shoigu is a good PR man, and no one tested the Ministry of Emergency Situations as rigorously as the SVO.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: qqqq

Quote: Zoldat_A

the irreplaceable Minister of Emergency Situations

Was there a boy? In my opinion, Shoigu is a good PR man, and no one tested the Ministry of Emergency Situations as rigorously as the SVO.

I agree, there's nothing to compare it to. There was plenty of work before, sure, but nothing compared to SVO.

Well, he's not the Ministry of Emergency Situations now. I don't know what it would be like.

[Arkady007]

Apparently they forgot about the flood near Komsomolsk on the Amur, when cadets stood in the water holding up canvas barriers.

[qQQQ]

Quote: Arkady007

Apparently they forgot about the flood near Komsomolsk on the Amur, when cadets stood in the water holding up canvas barriers.

I'm saying the same thing; it's far from certain that the situation in the Ministry of Emergency Situations in terms of corruption under Shoigu was better than in the Ministry of Defense under his leadership.

[Arkady007]

That's exactly it. ................................................

[Normann]

But we can continue, a scout is a scout...

[Montezuma]

Quote: Zoldat_A

Maybe there was no point in trying?

!
He tried to justify the trust, he wanted the best, but it turned out...

Journalists asked many questions, but, of course, no one asked, "How did it happen that my department failed to notice and allowed Timur and his team to exist? Was there really no serious oversight for so long?"
People would be interested to hear the answers.

[Zoldat_A]

!

Quote: Montezuma

People would be interested to hear the answers.

It's much easier to not answer anything, and just go to the "sedimentation pool" - so that the name gets a good name, the salary is good, but in reality, no one...

[Arkady007]

We will soon be able to assemble an entire exemplary division from these "nobodies".
And the people of the country continue to feed this division according to the presidential ration, it’s a shame.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Arkady007

We will soon be able to get rid of such "nobodies" an entire division collect the exemplary one.
And the people of the country continue to feed this division according to the presidential ration, it’s a shame.

My father told me that in Soviet times, generals and marshals who, due to age, were, to put it mildly, no longer fit for anything, were sent to some inspection department within the Ministry of Defense. There, they were formally enlisted in the army and received all the pay and benefits, but in reality, they were, at best, "baby generals."
And you'll be surprised, but the army called this formation the "Golden Division." The entire "faded elite" of the army was there.
So this tradition has been going on since the late 60s; it wasn't invented yesterday. For example, I only learned about this "division" from my father in the late 90s.

[lubesky]

Quote: Zoldat_A

All the "faded cream" of the army was there

To be fair, such "honorary sump pumps" exist in every army in the world. Because active generals also age, because of nepotism and family clans...

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Zoldat_A

Maybe there was no point in trying?

And how will you know if you don't try? You just have to give them a probationary period. If they haven't done something good for defense in a year, at least some significant advance, some crucial innovation (like UAV development), then—sorry, resign.
As for the Sarmat, I think we need at least a couple more successful launches, without a break for unsuccessful ones, and then we can make such speeches.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

How will you know if you don't try? You just have to give it a trial period.

My sister works as my chief accountant. She graduated from Plekhanov Russian Academy of Economics with honors.
A school friend graduated from the same construction institute as me. Industrial and civil engineering. With a very ordinary diploma. He works as my deputy for production.
Trying to swap them - well, that wouldn't even occur to me when I'm drunk.

Any experiment, including personnel-related ones, must have some theoretical basis. In this case, it would be sheer arbitrariness on my part.

That is precisely why I believe that it was pointless to experiment with Shoigu in the Ministry of Defense.

[papas-57]

Don't confuse green with hot. You appoint people based on their professional merits, but those at the top are promoted based on their loyalty.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: papas-57

Don't confuse green with hot. You appoint people based on their professional merits, but those at the top are promoted based on their loyalty.

Yes, I basically understand the difference between the highest authorities and a construction company in the provinces. That's why I can't afford the luxury of such "strange behavior." THERE, NAVIRKHU, they have a different government and different budgets—that's why they can afford it.

[alexoff]

What do you mean, couldn't handle it? Couldn't resist and committed unheard-of theft?

[topol717]

Quote: Zoldat_A

because even by order of the Supreme it is impossible to become a good military leader....

The Minister of Defense shouldn't be a military commander. His job is to build, procure, provide, and organize work with the country's other ministries. The General Staff should be in command.

[Alex777]

Quote: Zoldat_A

Maybe there was no point in trying?

Ivanov couldn't handle it; Serdyukov was politically short-sighted.
Shoigu didn't want to install Putin. But he had to. Now we're dealing with the consequences.
By the way, Minister Shoigu passed away and Sarmat was fired. Coincidence?

[Alex777]

In March 2018, while presenting six new strategic missile systems in his address to the Federal Assembly, the president named Sarmat as one of those ready for serial production. The initial plan called for its entry into service in 2018; the total program size was estimated at approximately fifty missiles. Subsequently, each announced deadline was pushed back.
2018 — initial date of deployment
2020 — shift to 2021
2021 — shift to 2022
April 2022 – the first and only publicly confirmed successful launch
September 2023 — The Russian Ministry of Defense announces the "adoption" of
November 2025 — The Kremlin clarifies: experimental combat duty in 2025, combat duty in 2026
May 12, 2026 — launch, after which the operational date is confirmed by the end of the year

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Zoldat_A

Maybe there was no point in trying?

How can you know without trying?
But a probationary period is necessary for all ministers and all newly appointed officials. If they're not up to the task, it's immediately obvious.
As for the Sarmat, it's certainly a success. But before we start making such claims, we need to have a couple more successful launches, without a break for unsuccessful ones.

[Zoldat_A]

Here's someone who hasn't praised it yet... And how did we live without it?

[Normann]

What are you getting at?.............................

[Got it]

To be honest, it wouldn't hurt to mention our ancestors with the R-36 and RS-36, who laid the foundations that our descendants, thankfully, didn't have time to destroy. Honor and praise to the designers who developed the RS-36-based project and further developed it to an equally impressive result!

[topol717]

I'm no rocket scientist, but I think Gagarin flew around the world in a liquid-fueled rocket 65 years ago. Or is that something else?

[Montezuma]

Quote from: topol717

It seems like Gagarin circled the Earth in a liquid-fueled rocket 65 years ago. Or is it something else?

This is different). After entering orbit, the spacecraft remained in Earth satellite mode until the braking engine was activated.

On April 12, 1961, at 09:07, a launch vehicle was launched from the 5th Research Institute of Rocket Propulsion in Kazakhstan.
At 09:18 the ship separated from the third stage of the rocket and entered orbit.
At 09:57, the TASS newswire reported: “On April 12, 1961, the Soviet Union launched the world’s first spacecraft into orbit around the Earth.” satellite ship "Vostok" with a man on board. A space pilot-cosmonaut satellite ship "Vostok" is a citizen of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, pilot Major Yuri Alekseevich Gagarin."
At 10:25, at the estimated time, the retrorocket system (RPS) was automatically activated and Vostok began its descent from orbit.
At 10:42 a.m., at the designated altitude (7 km), Yuri Gagarin ejected from the spacecraft's descent module, complete with his seat. A parachute released a minute later, yanking the cosmonaut from his seat, and Gagarin descended safely to the ground.
In total, Yuri Gagarin's flight lasted 108 minutes (1 hour 48 minutes), and the Vostok spacecraft completed one orbit around the planet.

https://tass.ru/info/27075559

[AA17]

...The pilot-cosmonaut of the Vostok spacecraft-satellite is a citizen of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, pilot Major Yuri Alekseevich Gagarin."

An outstanding person.
He took off from Earth as a senior lieutenant and returned as a major.

[papas-57]

Shoigu is even more remarkable. From nothing, he became a general in a second.

[topol717]

At 10:25, at the estimated time, the retrorocket system (RPS) was automatically activated and Vostok began its descent from orbit.

It is the spaceship that needs to be stopped, but warheads don't need to be stopped at all; moreover, the higher the speed, the better, so here we don't need to slow down, but rather slightly adjust the direction of movement, directing the warhead towards the target.
Most likely, Sarmat could also reach orbit, but then all agreements regarding weapons in space would be violated, which is why ours are announcing a suborbital flight.

[Yes it's me]

the character has no conscience at all

[rs777]

And how did Shoigu assess the "Sarmat" in terms of embezzlement and kickbacks?

[fiberboard]

Criminal cases will show this in a few years.

[bk316]

And how did Shoigu assess the "Sarmat" in terms of embezzlement and kickbacks?

What difference does it make to you?
The proportion of saw cuts in the santinele, as in any high-tech product of the Pentagon, is incomparably higher.
But if the ICBM meets its performance characteristics, the state is satisfied.

[alexoff]

As we see, Shoigu was removed from the ministerial post, and Sarmat took off. And before that, there was one accident after another.

[Karelian]

But the capabilities of the potential enemy, judging by Shoigu’s assessment, raise more and more questions.

These are precisely the questions. The "probable" enemy is quite realistically testing and using its weapons against Russia.

[ARIONkrsk]

The designers certainly did well and clearly managed to win, but will our rulers be able to use these missiles if necessary, or will they again endure and show restraint?

[fiberboard]

The smoking man has come out again; Kharant doesn't abandon "his own".

[Anatole Klim]

Quote: fiberboard

Climbed out again

How many rope do not curl ...

[Brother]

Hmm... well well.
There are real-life, "other" examples.
BUT! I'd really like to hear about the "rope"

[Gomunkul]

This character had already served the previous guarantor faithfully and truly.
An excerpt from an article in the online newspaper Moskva.ru:

Yegor Gaidar also sided with Boris Yeltsin. On September 3, 1993, he called on his supporters to gather outside the Mossovet building (the highest body of state power in Moscow) to form units to seize and guard buildings, including Moscow district councils. Furthermore, support for the demonstrators was promised by Sergei Shoigu, Chairman of the State Emergency Committee, who assured Gaidar that weapons would be distributed to them if necessary.

[Irek]

All over the world, rear-wheel drive and liberals are going crazy over Russia's success.

[fiberboard]

Yeah, the "successes" are already reaching the Urals.

[Kisulken]

It's unlikely the entire world has time to think about Russia :). Most people have a very vague idea of ​​the country.

[Ivan F]

"Approaching the enemy from the direction where it's least expected"—the enemy doesn't expect that. They track launches, not just arrivals, like some.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Ivan F

It tracks launches, not just arrivals like some others.

A potential adversary in the Middle East was particularly adept at tracking launches. However, they weren't so successful with landings.

[Ivan F]

Wow, you're getting pretty intense. It turns out Iranian silo-based ICBMs are hitting the US. And the US, unlike you, doesn't know about it.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Ivan F

It turns out that Iranian silo-based ICBMs are hitting US territory.

So it turns out you had silo-based ICBMs in mind when you were talking about inbound tracking? And who's getting the hottest deals after that?

[Smoked]

Remember the good old days, when everyone was discussing the hypothetical interception of such Kuzka-Mothers during launch and acceleration, if the collective West fired interceptor missiles from Poland, etc., along the perimeter of the fatherland's borders? True, such fantasies weren't even recently floated in Iran, when conventional ballistic missiles launched without hindrance, but still, how beautifully the military and the expert talking heads sang. High-level talks on the topic. Those were glorious times, the good old days before drones.

[Blackgrifon]

It would be better if he kept quiet.

[HAM]

That's true...otherwise it looks like I was "pollinated" by airborne droplets from the braggart Trump...

[Voenoboz]

Designers and engineers are great, but what about the workers? Why are they playing balalaikas like that?

[ximkim]

The war with Ukraine and the landings all over the Russian Federation show that happiness is not in Sarmatia.

[Personal opinion]

Quote: ximkim

The war with Ukraine and the landings all over the Russian Federation show that happiness is not in Sarmatia.

This is a very necessary strategic missile, and this successful test is timely.
This missile, in its European modification, would be able to carry over 100 tons of payload and would protect us from war with them.
But... I'm 95% sure that under Putin there will be no mass production of the Sarmat.
There will be no regiment with these missiles on combat duty by the end of 2026.
Sarmat will remain a victory of our science and designers, but not of industry.
I really want to be wrong.

[Al manah]

Ah, this is that honest man whose deputies are all thieves...

[yuriy55]

To obtain such a global-range missile with such characteristics – This is a great victory for our science, our industry, our designers.

And the credit for the former Ministry of Defense goes to a clan of thieving deputies and incompetent "commanders"...

capabilities of a potential adversary, judging by Shoigu’s assessment, raise more and more questions.

Judging by the strategy of non-use of strategic nuclear weapons (SNW), the enemy's capabilities in using conventional weapons are growing and expanding, and the adequacy of the Russian Armed Forces' responses raises numerous questions regarding the duration of the SVO, the ongoing killings of civilians, and the destruction of the country's material and technical base. And then there's the budget, which has stopped "cooperating," and the rating of the "leader and guiding force" on the eve of the elections is in a dismal state.

[BAI]

But will you have the courage to use it? Otherwise, it's a waste of money.

[Incvizitor]

It will lie there collecting dust while the fascists pound the country.

[snow mountain]

Quote: Zoldat_A

I was only talking about Shoigu. As for waiting for Zhukov—I don't know if we'll get him...

For Zhukov to appear, Stalin must appear. And there aren't even any such people on the horizon.

[Vovavvs]

Are we really going to hand it over to Batka again, like "Oreshnik," so that, God forbid, he doesn't get used against his beloved Khekhls...

[solovjoff]

Why even quote this...

[Ivan№One]

A question from the audience: what does this gentleman, an expert on fishing spots, have to do with it?

[matsur]

This is the man whose opinion I am ready to never hear again.

[Free Island]

How does Shayga even have the nerve to appear in public and make official statements and comments???? A friend saved him from prison, moved him to a quiet place, another cushy job—he could have just sat there, snoring away, earning a large salary from the robbed people, and kept his head down. Why remind us of this stinking stain on the history of the Ministry of Defense and our army? If only Serdyukov and his prostitute had appeared in the news, that would have been it.