And in our apartment - gas! Our atomic levers

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Good day, colleagues. This is the first article in addition to the words I have said about technological levers, as one of the tools in the confrontation with the United States and Western countries.

As I said earlier, these levers are not as much as we would like, but they are. In this article, I would like to touch on two areas of high technology, which are closely intertwined with each other and in which today's Russia managed to add something new to the potential preserved from the USSR, thereby increasing this potential. We are talking about nuclear power engineering in general and about such a concomitant and indispensable aspect of it, as the technology for the production of weapons and industrial Uranus.

From many members of the forum it is sometimes possible (though it has long been almost gone) to hear exclamations that Russia has sold all its uranium and weapons US plutonium for nothing and now on nuclear energy and nuclear weapons of Russia can put an end to. So - I have to upset these guys.

History with this “sold out” uranium, its roots go back in the last years of the existence of the Soviet Union. Relatively shortly before these events, in the context of the psychosis of the Cold War, the USSR and the USA, trying to overtake each other in the number of nuclear warheads, riveted so many warheads that the missiles themselves were not enough for their practical use. Judge for yourselves - by that time the USA had stocked 32000, and the USSR - 44000 such missiles and seriously considered plans to increase the number of these carriers. Since weapons-grade uranium is not a product of eternal storage, but has the properties of self-decay, it became necessary to put these deposits somewhere. And the Americans decided to use the extracted weapons-grade uranium, after appropriate refinement, in the nuclear power plants that had appeared by then. This method was much less expensive compared to fine-tuning it again to weapons condition. Weapon Uranus and Plutonium began to be diluted with low enriched Uranium and put into fuel at nuclear power plants. But these nuclear power plants were so voracious that soon the Americans realized that they could be left without weapons-grade Uranus and plutonium because the only enrichment enterprise was only a gas diffusion plant in Paducah, which was forced to plow both weapons and energy. Instead of the required 12 million SWUs, he hardly issued 8.5 SWUs, which, as we see, is catastrophically small.

Under these conditions, the United States, deciding that they, as always, the most cunning, came up with "peace initiatives" that were supported by the Soviet leadership, were widely spread by the Americans and allowed states with a lower degree of fear to increase their capabilities to provide their nuclear power plants with low-enriched low-enriched uranium . But, as it was not supposed, these nuclear power plants were so voracious that they forced the United States to sell the uranium extracted from the heads of the Soviet Union to the Soviet Union and then diluted to the necessary condition on Soviet capacities and return it to its “homeland”. On this basis, an agreement was reached on the sale in the USSR of 500 tons of weapons-grade uranium, about which compassionate people began to spread as if they were sold out to the domestic.

Subsequently, the Americans in the 1992 year, believing that they had successfully “shod” everyone, having saddled the Soviet uranium-enrichment complex, stopped their plutonium-producing reactor.

In Russia, taking into account the available reserves of plutonium and uranium ore, and taking into account the imminent appearance of a super modern reactor-breeder, its own reactor, similar to the American one, was stopped in 2010 year in Russia. By that time, the Union had already collapsed, the uranium deposits of Kazakhstan and Ukraine remained abroad, and the possibilities of the Russian Priargunsky deposit provided only half of the enrichment capacity of Russia. The Americans were denied further enrichment for reasons of lack of natural uranium for themselves. Fearing the downtime of their nuclear power plants, the Americans persuaded European uranium producers to sell Russian uranium at a lower price in order to provide their nuclear power plants with a consistent and proven process chain.

In general, the enrichment capacity of Russia today is provided with raw materials for 17 years. In addition, for all these years, the uranium reserves in the United States have significantly decreased due to the gluttony of their nuclear power plants, enrichment capacities, at least to the level of industrial ones, have not increased. Today, Russia is almost a monopoly (the capacity of some countries with centrifuges is not counted because of low power) a producer of plutonium. The United States nuclear power plants are sorely lacking fuel for the future, and therefore the United States, with enviable persistence, continues to insist on various agreements to limit and reduce nuclear weapons. The situation is very, very difficult in the matter of providing fuel to its nuclear power plants not only in the US, but also in their European allies. That is why Americans pay all Green lobbying for the closure and construction of new NPPs around the world in order to draw off the small reserves that are in stock for themselves.

Today, US uranium reserves will hardly scrap 300. while in Russia this figure is 800 m. of free weapons-grade uranium. The US only enrichment, privatized, and then safely bankrupt under schemes that were widely implemented until recently, and here, USEC is in the corral at a time when Russian centrifuges spin without a break for lunch and sleep-hour. Of course-a mess and blame him-Putin.

ATOMIC INDUSTRY
Well, and inextricably linked to the topic of uranium and plutonium - the topic of nuclear energy. In the energy sector, Russia in foreign markets will be represented by Rosatom, which today has a portfolio of overseas orders worth more than 50 billion for the next 10 years. The number of contracts for the construction of nuclear power plants abroad is 21 power unit in nine countries. Moreover, intergovernmental agreements have already been signed on the 19 blocks. We are talking about countries such as China (four blocks), India (four blocks), Belarus (two blocks), Armenia (one block), Ukraine (two blocks), Vietnam (two blocks) and Turkey (four blocks).

At the same time, the government sets ambitious plans for energy equipment manufacturers: by 2020, the export of energy equipment must reach in terms of 10 GW capacity per year (in 2012, it will be only 3 GW).

Moreover, exports will be increased not only at the expense of Rosatom, but also due to the export of hydraulic and steam turbines that are used in the construction of power plants. Today 38% steam turbines manufactured in Russia are exported, hydraulic turbines 63%, gas turbines 28%. However, Russia is now focusing on the production of small and medium-sized turbines, in order to conquer foreign markets, it is necessary to produce, among other things, high-capacity turbines, and so far only one company is involved - Power Machines. The fact is that the production of high power turbines will allow the creation of large power units (more than 400 MW).

In accordance with the Energy Strategy of Russia for the period up to 2030, by 2030, Russia will have to take 15% of the global power engineering market against the current 2%, that is, overtake Siemens (now they have 10%) and catch up with Alstom (16%).

In conclusion, I would like to preface the question of whether the stated information and the Russian achievements described in it can be used as leverage. Yes, it can be taken into account that the countries that are vitally dependent on Russian technology are allies of the United States, and the pressure can be exerted on the enemy and through the impact on its allies, as Israel today is putting pressure on Lebanon, threatening to destroy all of its logistics infrastructure, if Lebanon will support Hezbollah fighters. And the fact that we have such achievements today is a vivid confirmation that they are needed in the modern world.

In the next article I will summarize information about our technological capabilities in the field of aircraft and engine-building.

Sincerely. ESAUL
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  1. +10
    21 May 2013 06: 34
    Not in the subject of this question, but if this is true, then the emotions are positive. As far as gun material is concerned, its half-life depends on the storage form ... So some thoughts aloud lead to skepticism about competence. And this topic should not be seriously discussed on the forums. For we also do not know the whole truth about "friends"
    1. +16
      21 May 2013 07: 10
      Quote: smel
      .. So some thoughts out loud suggest skepticism about competency.

      Nuclear energy and industry is a very, very complex topic and should be written by professionals in this field.
      1. +19
        21 May 2013 08: 55
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Nuclear energy and industry is a very, very complex topic and should be written by professionals in this field.

        In principle, yes. Therefore, I will not write about nuclear energy. The familiar name of the Power Machines company and the admiration of Esaul flashed through the article.
        For reference: Power Machines OJSC is 98% owned by the Cypriot company Highstat ltd, which belongs to Mordashov. So it is not worth admiring much, because the company works mainly not for the country of Russia, but for the country of Zabugoria.
        1. +3
          21 May 2013 14: 06
          Into your pocket.
      2. +6
        21 May 2013 09: 01
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        a very, very complicated topic and professionals should write about it

        Strongly true! ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
        Or knowledgeable people, namely AWARE and not "knowledgeable".
        these nuclear power plants were so voracious that they forced the United States to sell the uranium extracted from the heads of the Soviet Union to the Soviet Union, followed by dilution to the required condition at Soviet facilities and returning it to its “homeland”. It was on this basis that an agreement was reached on the sale of 500 tons of weapons-grade uranium in the USSR, about which compassionate people later began to spread, as if they were sold domestic.
        Now we know where the "party's gold" went, they were paid for the plutonium! good wink (this is a remark)

        From where is this AWARENESS?
        Is it possible in reality 500tn plutonium transaction fact, the USA-USSR?
      3. +6
        21 May 2013 09: 02
        Dear Esaul,

        amateur question:
        how much do their "gluttonous" nuclear power plants consume, and how much do our "gluttonous" ones consume?
        1. +5
          21 May 2013 13: 09
          how much do their "gluttonous" nuclear power plants consume, and how much do our "gluttonous" ones consume?

          it is not correct. The question is that there will soon be a massive reboot of reactors and uranium is not enough for everyone. and EMNIP among amers, the last power unit was released in the 80th year.
    2. +8
      21 May 2013 08: 04
      Sorry, but the half-life property of only the atomic nucleus and does not depend on pressure, temperature, shape. The form can reach a critical mass, but this is different.
      The rest agrees.
    3. avs1208
      +10
      21 May 2013 08: 18
      Anyone can make a "yellow cake", but enrichment in isotopes is already a big problem. Euro-Atlanteans are engaged in gas diffusion, they also say that they are about to turn a trick with laser enrichment, General Electric seems to be even building a plant. The Kurchatov Institute also studied the issue - they said that large-scale production should not be expected. So at the moment Russian centrifuges are the coolest. So the author is right - there is a lever.
    4. fortunophile
      +12
      21 May 2013 08: 57
      Yesterday’s criticism of the author by forum users was not in vain and today he really issued an article, not a set of paragraphs. You can be touched by magic tricks with weapons-grade plutonium, but I don’t want to stir up these pages, which are not the most pleasant for Russia, since the contract, if I am not mistaken, is already coming to an end.
      I will mention only two points in this comment:
      Moreover, intergovernmental agreements have already been signed in 19 blocks. We are talking about countries such as China (four blocks), India (four blocks), Belarus (two blocks), Armenia (one block), Ukraine (two blocks), Vietnam (two blocks) and Turkey (four blocks).

      What do you think on whose loans most of them are being built and what is the probability that these loans will be returned to Russia? Offhand, Vietnam was allocated 8 billion for nuclear power plants, Belarus, Armenia, Ukraine - no comment (where is the money from?). If it is impossible to repay the loans, will Russia shut down the reactors and "take away" the nuclear power plant? Or will he “write off” with a smile or, in the modern language, “understand and forgive”?
      But based on this situation, is it not because electricity in Russia is so expensive and why does it cost Russians more than foreigners?
      In the meantime, China buys electricity in Russia at prices below domestic prices: in 2010 - about 1,25 rubles. for 1 kWh. And the population of Blagoveshchensk pays for it an average of more than 1,95 rubles. “Of course, the price on the Russian wholesale market is lower, but it also exceeds the cost of deliveries to China by about a third,” experts say. It turns out that Chinese consumers of electricity are more important than our own for our government.

      Read more: http://www.km.ru/biznes-i-finansy/ekonomika-rossii/energetika/13494

      Finland may begin exporting electricity to Russia at the beginning of 2014, according to Fingrid. To do this, it is necessary to settle a number of technical and administrative issues.

      Export of electricity from Finland to Russia has become economically viable, as in many cases it costs more in Russia than in Finland.


      However, our "leverage" and "gas lover" continues another scene from the composition "All is well beautiful marquis" hi

      Look forward to
      In the next article I will summarize information about our technological capabilities in the field of aircraft and engine building

      Is it possible that esaul switched to the fantasy genre (aircraft construction), because I hope that the civil aircraft industry will not be left "uncovered" by them. winked
      1. S_mirnov
        +3
        21 May 2013 09: 36
        Here, Esaul tries to convince us that uranium is higher than the roof, and if we sell a bit, Russia will not become poor. Yes, and on Esaul, we kind of don’t sell our uranium, but we remake uranium from the USA laughing We heard about steamboats and railway trains carrying 500t. American uranium? So I have not heard.
        And everyone heard about the import of nuclear waste:
        "Mr. Vejonis said that Latvia will have to pay Russia about 300 thousand lats (about 420 thousand euros) for the processing and storage of waste. Foreign nuclear waste will again go to Russia, to the notorious Mayak plant.
        More details: http://www.bellona.ru/articles_ru/articles_2007/Salaspils "
        "This week, Russia and Iran signed an agreement to supply nuclear fuel to the Bushehr nuclear power plant and return the waste to Russia."
        http://www.rbcdaily.ru/market/562949979066559
        That's what they bring to us, and not weapons-grade uranium and plutonium !!!
        And 500, we sold OUR
        "The HEU-LEU program has disposed of 450 tons of Russian weapons-grade uranium. It is reasonable to expect that at the end of the program's period, Russia will transfer all the agreed 500 tons of weapons-grade uranium to the United States. I will point out right away that this uranium now provides about 12% of the world's demand for reactor uranium and 38% of the need for reactor uranium in the United States itself.

        More information at http://voprosik.net/prodazha-oruzhejnogo-urana-v-ssha-vygodna-rossii/ © QUESTION "

        We must remember that merchants rule our country and are primarily interested in personal enrichment, so you should not feel illusions about the sale of weapons-grade uranium (our uranium is sold, it is ours, belonging to the people of the Russian Federation and future generations. And it is on our land that nuclear waste is brought and our people will die out of them!
        And the position of Esaul - selflessly protecting the merchants destroying my Motherland is surprising in me.


        a little more about the poison imported into our country "for processing":
        http://www.businesspress.ru/newspaper/article_mId_40_aId_327311.html
        1. avs1208
          +5
          21 May 2013 09: 55
          "And it is on our land that nuclear waste is brought in and our people will die out of it!"

          Dear, do you think they import waste to water the fields with them? They will make candy out of this shit at the "Mayak" and again vparyat to the west)
          1. S_mirnov
            +2
            21 May 2013 10: 16
            "They'll make candy out of this shit at Mayak, and they'll be vparyat to the West again)" - don't consider the West idiots. They import only fuel for nuclear power plants, and return to us waste, which we store in ground storage facilities.
            "Currently, no country in the world allows the import of nuclear waste into its territory, and nowhere in the world has a safe technology for disposal of spent nuclear fuel and other types of radioactive waste been created. Russia is the only country where domestic legislation allows the implementation of such projects."
            1. Misantrop
              +9
              21 May 2013 10: 27
              Quote: S_mirnov
              and return the waste to us
              Even a fully spent nuclear fuel contains at least one critical mass. But really - much more. So this is not garbage, but briquetted highly enriched raw materials. It is only necessary to wait for the departure of short-lived isotopes, so as not to get too dirty during processing
              1. S_mirnov
                -3
                21 May 2013 11: 15
                It sounds like a fairy tale, but there are nuances:
                "A ground-based nuclear storage facility has been built in secret from the people near Chelyabinsk. It already contains 5 tons of weapons-grade plutonium."
                http://www.kramola.info/vesti/metody-genocida/obluchjonnye-vlastju-jadernyj-chel
                jabinsk
                1. avs1208
                  +2
                  21 May 2013 12: 01
                  Quote: S_mirnov
                  Sounds like a fairy tale


                  Horror story for pregnant women.
                  1. S_mirnov
                    -6
                    21 May 2013 12: 08
                    Look at the statistics on the birth of children with physical and mental disabilities and the horror story will become a reality sad
                    1. Misantrop
                      +4
                      21 May 2013 14: 43
                      Quote: S_mirnov
                      See the birth statistics for children with physical and mental disabilities and ...

                      ... compare with statistics on the use of at least the same ultrasound during pregnancy. I assure you there will be more matches. The child, while in the womb, is in a liquid environment. And an ultrasound strike for him is the same as for a submarine strike with depth bombs (the liquid is not compressible if anyone has forgotten). And in conditions of fetal formation, this is all the more dangerous. Well, if you add on the wild amount of preservatives and GMOs in the diet, including children? The contents of a cream bottle forgotten on a sunny windowsill for newborns (with the inscription "without additives and preservatives") HAS NOT CHANGED in a week. Is it now called a natural product?

                      You can also compare this statistics in the vicinity of "Mayak" and in other regions (where there are no such industries since the early 50s). Will it be very different?
                2. +3
                  21 May 2013 13: 01
                  Near Chelyabinsk, a secret nuclear storage facility was built secretly from the people. It already has 5 tons of weapons-grade plutonium

                  Google card detected)))))
                  This would be guarded like the apple of an eye
                3. +1
                  21 May 2013 22: 39
                  Quote: S_mirnov
                  Under Chelyabinsk secretly from the people

                  What kind of secret is this that everyone knows about? Your links to sources are surprising. If you draw all the information from such sources, then there are no questions.
            2. avs1208
              +2
              21 May 2013 10: 30
              I said that the centrifuges we have are the coolest;)
              1. S_mirnov
                0
                21 May 2013 11: 17
                "I told you that our centrifuges are the coolest;)" - not yours, but built in the USSR. Traders do not build or produce, they sell what others have produced and built.
                1. avs1208
                  +9
                  21 May 2013 11: 23
                  Quote: S_mirnov
                  "I told you that our centrifuges are the coolest;)" - not yours, but built in the USSR. Traders do not build or produce, they sell what others have produced and built.


                  and built in the USSR, people born of people who lived in tsarist Russia) Centrifuges as the Soviet Union launched so they spin or what? In fact, after their collapse, 2 generations were replaced there (centrifuges) - this is so that you would know.
                  1. +4
                    21 May 2013 11: 39
                    you can add that they were not originally built by us entirely wink

                    In the USSR in 1946 — 1952. centrifuges were handled by a group of “captured” German scientists led by Dr. Max Steenbeck, displaced by the NKVD in the 1945 year at the NII-5 in Sukhumi. The working conditions of those years in Sukhumi, and the achievements in creating a working gas centrifuge stand by 1952, are described in detail in the memoirs of N.F. Lazarev, who in those years, being a technician in the group of M. Steeenbek, worked closely with Dr. G. Zippe In January 1951, the results of the development of the gas centrifuge were reported at a meeting of the Technical Council, and in September 1952, part of the Steenbeck group was transferred from Sukhumi to Leningrad to the Design Bureau of the Kirov Plant. In 1953, the group was suspended from further participation in these works, and in 1956, scientists returned to Germany

                    http://berkovich-zametki.com/2007/Starina/Nomer4/Gorobec1.htm
                    1. S_mirnov
                      +1
                      21 May 2013 12: 10
                      "In the USSR in 1946-1952, a group of" trophy "German scientists was engaged in centrifuges" - and very well, because the German people at least slightly compensated for the harm done to us! How many future scientists and designers were killed on the battlefields - do not count!
                    2. +1
                      21 May 2013 19: 56
                      Quote: Straus_zloy
                      you can add that they were not originally built by us entirely

                      I propose to reread the article on the "Military Review", "Nuclear Top", dated October 11, 2012, About the Russian centrifuge and not only ... but also, in the subject.
                  2. S_mirnov
                    -2
                    21 May 2013 12: 06
                    "and built in the USSR, by people born of people who lived in tsarist Russia" - who in the bulk did not even know how to write their own surname. It was in the USSR that education became available, and therefore centrifuges were designed.
                2. +3
                  21 May 2013 12: 56
                  Traders do not build and do not produce, they sell manufactured and built by others.

                  Yes, probably traders recently launched a new generation of supercritical centrifuges))))
                  1. Misantrop
                    +5
                    21 May 2013 14: 48
                    Quote: leon-iv
                    Yes, probably traders recently launched a new generation of supercritical centrifuges))))
                    Traders almost privatized and redesigned the Kovrov plant, where they are produced ... wink
                    1. Dmitry_2013
                      +2
                      21 May 2013 16: 59
                      Have you witnessed these events yourself? Is it mechanical in question?
                      1. +1
                        21 May 2013 17: 03
                        Well, the one that belongs to TVEL
                      2. Misantrop
                        +1
                        21 May 2013 19: 47
                        Quote: Dmitry_2013
                        Is it mechanical in question?

                        About the one on which the "Kord" machine gun is produced besides this
                      3. +1
                        21 May 2013 21: 13
                        the weapons factory is the ZID Degtyarev Mechanical Plant; at one time it was attached to it and then separated again.
                3. 0
                  21 May 2013 22: 43
                  Quote: S_mirnov
                  not with you, but built in the CCC

                  You’re mistaken. Google, you will find out a lot of interesting things .... In general, with such knowledge, please your relatives at home.
            3. +3
              21 May 2013 12: 07
              Gentlemen, I remember how they passed the law on the import of nuclear waste, Well, it worked and the problems remained a lot of problems what to do with ours, As far as I remember, not all the wastes of this very advanced industry can still be recycled, It’s just that this very expensive production requires huge investments, Some technologies still they are only being developed and they are very expensive, Our storage facilities will still stand for a very long time, the article looks more like an editorial and it is advisable to know exactly about breakthroughs in the field of destruction of waste storage facilities while we have very modest indicators here
              1. Dmitry_2013
                +2
                21 May 2013 12: 48
                As far as I remember, not all the wastes of this very advanced industry can still be recycled. It’s just that this very expensive production requires huge investments,

                These investments have already been made, and much is being processed!
                Here is a link to one of these plants, one of the largest in the world.
                http://www.sibghk.ru/
                PS This plant has a very good museum-exhibition, I recommend visiting, the only city closed winked
              2. Misantrop
                +2
                21 May 2013 14: 50
                Quote: igor.borov775
                it is desirable to know precisely about breakthroughs in the field destruction waste storage

                That's what I would definitely not want to hear about ... sad what

                So far, only the Balts can boast of this. In Paldiski, when the Navy training center was destroyed, the largest and most modern at that time in Europe facility for the treatment and disposal of LRW (liquid waste) was also destroyed.
              3. +1
                21 May 2013 21: 22
                Quote: igor.borov775
                The article looks more like an editorial, but it’s advisable to know exactly about breakthroughs in the field of destruction of waste storage, while here we have very modest indicators,

                Igor, good evening hi There are specialized publications for this. But this is far from interesting to everyone. If you are interested, you will find, pal. hi
                I repeat - the article was about ONE of the levers, and not about the whole complex of problems of the nuclear problem, including the environment.
                And whether the editorial or not, everyone decides for himself. I did not pretend to be a nuclear physicist. Do you have something interesting and where are you competent - tell me ...
                1. 0
                  21 May 2013 22: 49
                  Quote: esaul
                  shaft. Do you have something interesting and where are you competent - tell me ...

                  Alas ... this is much more difficult than criticizing. And less fun. Who wants to listen to unflattering opinions? Where is it more pleasant and safer to cover anyone with whom I disagree.
              4. DeerIvanovich
                0
                22 May 2013 12: 53
                as if about nuclear technology, the article reflects the essence of the matter
                but for example, a source where you can get a lot of information on nuclear power plants:
                http://www.atominfo.ru/index.html
                for example, links to materials on floating nuclear power plants:
                http://www.atominfo.ru/archive_floatingnuclearplant.htm.
            4. +4
              21 May 2013 13: 00
              Russia is the only country where domestic legislation allows the implementation of such projects

              You do not seem to taste why we need this. These technologies guarantee a stable future for our children. And so for reference, most of the waste is recycled and sold by us again.
              1. Dmitry_2013
                +3
                21 May 2013 16: 56
                And so for reference, most of the waste is recycled and sold by us again.

                I agree. And we are designing and building stations for this fuel.
              2. 0
                21 May 2013 21: 25
                Quote: leon-iv
                These technologies guarantee a stable future for our children.

                In the dark, buddy! good Greetings and glad to your understanding hi good
        2. Dmitry_2013
          +4
          21 May 2013 12: 21
          And it is on our land that nuclear waste is brought in and our people will die out of it!

          Are you familiar with the technologies for the disposal and reprocessing of nuclear weapons? At what facilities or nearby have you personally been to judge the degree of danger of burial and processing?
          1. +3
            21 May 2013 12: 57
            Are you familiar with the technologies for the disposal and reprocessing of nuclear weapons? At what facilities or nearby have you personally been to judge the degree of danger of burial and processing?

            Do not tear the throat that 90% are little versed in this topic)))
            1. Dmitry_2013
              +2
              21 May 2013 16: 54
              I personally lived near one of the facilities and talked with people who live and work there all my life.
              And I visited one museum, which I advise you. The only problem is that the city is closed.
          2. +2
            21 May 2013 22: 54
            Quote: Dmitry_2013
            Do you have nuclear weapons disposal and reprocessing technologies?

            Dmitry, the fact of the matter is that you don’t need to be familiar with ANYTHING. Here's more !!! The main thing here is to face the opponent with a faceball, earning a rating. And there’s no need for knowledge.
        3. +3
          21 May 2013 16: 06
          Uranus "wears out". That is, it disintegrates! And you need to constantly work with him, that's what the author is trying to tell about. Also about the fact that at first we skewed (although less than in other areas, even much less) and then corrected ourselves quite deftly. Reread the article a couple more times ...
      2. +1
        21 May 2013 15: 07
        As for loans, the question is really interesting
        Not only that, a lot of money is buried in dead projects such as Iraqi and Libyan oil, and the payback of nuclear power plants is like 20 years. And Belarus in my opinion will never give back a loan
        1. +4
          21 May 2013 15: 16
          .A Belarus in my opinion will never give a loan

          Do you consider Belarus a separate state?
          And the construction of nuclear power plants is the leverage of managing countries. Which will be stronger than the tank division at their borders.
          1. 0
            21 May 2013 15: 50
            Quote: leon-iv
            And the construction of nuclear power plants is the leverage of managing countries

            Aga Baltic states and Bulgaria have closed these levers, cheaper to buy
            I don’t think that nuclear power plants will belong to RosAtom, at best they will be private
            and in general, it is possible to develop another source of thorium energy, for example, and then these nuclear power plants will generally bankrupt us
            1. +3
              21 May 2013 15: 57
              Aga Baltic states and Bulgaria have closed these levers, cheaper to buy

              So where are they right now in the economic anus, but in the EEC is clearly impudent.
              I don’t think that nuclear power plants will belong to RosAtom, at best they will be private

              Sharing. But the most important thing is the supply and processing of fuel + field supervision, etc., etc. And with a probability of 146% there will be a mechanism for remote shutdown of the reactor.
              energy-thorium for example, and then these nuclear power plants in general will bankrupt us

              There is no percentage of thorium in the earth’s crust, but it is problematic to obtain it. There are monazite sands. Indians are Brazilians and we have dumps. Right now, on Indians we will practice with their AHWR there we will see.
          2. 0
            21 May 2013 18: 06
            Quote: leon-iv
            Do you consider Belarus a separate state?

            Actually, yes, as it were. At least the size of theft there is smaller. And the impulsive leader. At least he pulls the union in every way
            1. +2
              21 May 2013 18: 19
              At least he pulls the union in every way

              it can delay a lot of things, but in fact, about 8 years old, part of the Russian Federation
              1. -2
                21 May 2013 19: 49
                Quote: leon-iv
                in fact, about 8 years old, part of the Russian Federation

                What is this expressed in? There is different legislation and its own emission. Well, the general military cooperation and you will come to visit on your passport. But the rest is your own policy, which does not prevent them from receiving money and weapons from us
        2. 0
          21 May 2013 22: 58
          Quote: Pilat2009
          Belarus in my opinion never

          Of course. And what? I assure you that your children will NEVER refund the costs of them to you. But you won’t stop wasting money on them even knowing this? Not everything, dear man, is measured in money.
    5. +5
      21 May 2013 09: 19
      The half-life actually does not depend on the storage methods absolutely, this value is a constant for each radioactive isotope, moreover, not only uranium hi
    6. +2
      21 May 2013 15: 57
      That is, if stored in a shell reflecting neutrons (read - in a rocket), then decay is faster, in an absorbing one - slower. Hellish secret subject, scary scary ... laughing Here are just below the natural rate of decay can not be done, no matter what. So what about skepticism - did not understand.
      So that they would not write to spies - we were told this at school, they were told in physics. Yes, also about the fact that there are no materials completely reflecting neutrons, they also said if that ...
    7. 0
      21 May 2013 21: 08
      Greetings all of you guys hi
      Quote: smel
      Not in the subject of this issue,

      What is wrong with that, Paul? On the contrary, I respect people who can safely say that they do not understand enough in some issue. Kozma Prutkov said - "You cannot embrace the immense" and - a thousand times right. I, laying out this article do not apply for the Nobel Prize, guys. I just wanted to outline one of the levers of Russia's possible influence in resolving its issues. A - I read such reviews ...

      Firstly, they were pleasantly pleased with the knowledge of individual members of the forum in the field of nuclear physics. Respect to you, friends hi - this is without a grin!good As this is not offensively voiced for some, but DOMOKL is right - a small part of the forum users in the subject.

      Secondly, the attempts to draw me into the discussion on the aforementioned issues, as Apollo repeatedly tried to do, do not make sense, because Apollo is as competent in this matter as I am. What are you talking about, Apollo ?!

      And thirdly, thanks to the guys who took the article calmly and expressed their opinion without sticking labels.

      I’ll also add guys, at the end of today's article I made a typo (wrote late, in a hurry, sorry). I plan not summarize issues in aircraft and engine building, and outline some of our capabilities to put pressure on competitors to resolve their issues. As for aviation, that is, people are much more competent in this matter. For which they have a separate respect.
      I apologize for squeezing the comments among the first, but I would like you to understand that I am ready to listen to constructive criticism during the discussion, but not criticism in any way.
      Sincerely. Valery.
      1. +2
        21 May 2013 21: 38
        Quote: esaul
        Secondly, the attempts to draw me into the discussion on the aforementioned issues, as Apollo repeatedly tried to do, do not make sense, because Apollo is as competent in this matter as I am. What are you talking about, Apollo ?!


        Yes, do not respect yourself in a discussion with you,you deserve that tonewhere are the links, why do you avoid polemics all the time, why do you constantly evade direct discussion, why do you always try to impose your worldview on visitors, that you need a special invitation for discussion or a path in front of you to spread out where links or you are naturally gifted , Esaul ?! I frankly do not like your pompous behavior, and in public I express this without hiding and not being afraid.
        1. 0
          21 May 2013 21: 49
          Quote: Apollon
          You avoid polemics all the time,

          What is polemicizing with you? ... Fear God! And calm down. What haunts you
          Quote: Apollon
          Are you so gifted by nature, Esaul ?!

          I always pay attention to the opinion of another, and do not climb into ... a bottle. Go away, burdock.
          Quote: Apollon
          I frankly do not like your grandiloquent behavior, and in public I express this without hiding and not being afraid.
          And I don’t like your behavior, but I don’t poke into my eyes, trying to prove my exclusivity. If you already caught something, then it means that there IS ...! recourse laughing fellow
          1. +2
            21 May 2013 21: 53
            Quote: esaul
            Go away, burdock.


            that's all Esaul is capable of, I expected more from you. What vocabulary has run out ?! laughing
            1. Kaa
              +5
              21 May 2013 22: 08
              Quote: Apollon
              this is all that you are capable of, Esaul, I expected more from you

              Quote: esaul
              I always pay attention to the opinion of another, and do not climb into ... a bottle. Go away, burdock.

              Quote: Joker
              Thanks for your articles Valery, I decided not to pry anything from you,

              Colleagues, as the cat Begemot Bulgakov said "nobless lick", all are equal, but they think differently, if it's pinned, let's go in a personal, eh? Not comme il faut ...
              1. +2
                21 May 2013 22: 22
                Quote: Kaa
                Colleagues, as the cat Behemoth Bulgakov said "nobless lick", are all equal, but they think differently


                good evening or good night Kaa !!! hi

                You, as always, are wise in your statements. Thank you drinks
          2. +5
            21 May 2013 21: 58
            Thank you for your articles, Valery, I decided not to extort anything from you, because I am not competent in this matter, but write my own article, where I consider the most important aspects of Russia's development hi
            1. 0
              21 May 2013 22: 14
              Quote: Joker
              I decided not to ask you anything, because I’m not competent in this matter

              In matters of "torture"? wink
              Quote: Joker
              as i believe

              Who can forbid you ... request
              1. +4
                21 May 2013 22: 58
                In matters of nuclear energy wink
                Who can you ban

                Yes nobody hi You just write about things as if we live in different countries, you do not touch upon such topics as the privatization of Rosneft, Rosnano, and the continuing collapse of education. What do you think about these topics? After all, Putin accepts direct participation in them, it is foolish to deny that he sees nothing and knows nothing. How do you feel about the ongoing privatization? To the importation of migrants?
                1. DeerIvanovich
                  0
                  22 May 2013 11: 40
                  if possible, provide examples from the ongoing privatization of strategically important enterprises. I am simply not aware of such tendencies, and Medvedev's privatization 2.0, which has just begun, is somehow clearly not reflected in the media. so I will be glad to hear this information inaccessible to the general public.
                  1. +1
                    22 May 2013 14: 33
                    Yes please, I have already laid it many times.
                    1) Rosneft is privatizing, + a merger with TNK BP I mean British Petroleum + will be given permission to develop fields in the Arctic shelf to foreign companies. Do not claim that only 50% of profit goes to the treasury.
                    2) Privatization of Rosnano initiated by a red rat, in the near future 10% shares will be sold
                    3) VTB Bank privatization
                    4) TGK-5, Siberia Airlines, Arkhangelsk Trawl Fleet, Sovkomflot, ALROS, Inter RAO
                    How do you like this? And everything is done on the sly. In general, the work of Yeltsin lives and thrives.
                    I advise you to watch another video.


                    As all supporters of Putin do not mention this at all. And what is the most interesting deal thanks to the WTO, in which we entered are FREE! That is, we will not return the oil legally.
                    1. DeerIvanovich
                      0
                      22 May 2013 17: 15
                      1) do you mean this information: http://www.rosneft.ru/news/pressrelease/210320132.html?
                      2) no comments ...
                      3) http://www.vtb.ru/group/press/news/interview/84377/ - already successfully posted
                      4) http://flb.ru/infoprint/51808.html.
                      IES Vekselberg already owns it.
                      Siberia, suddenly for some reason they postponed until May 23 the adoption of documents for participation in the sale of shares
                      ATP - stalemate situation http://flb.ru/infoprint/51808.html. Etc.
                      I’m more interested in who is behind IKS Vekselberg.
                      this is an infrastructural object - strategically important, the rest of the objects can be to some extent "neglected", leaving the liberals at the mercy to leave power and not get underfoot.
                      but based on human nature, it’s hard to believe it, so I’ll wait until the fall before making final assessments.
                      because if you look at the other side of what suddenly, instead of finishing off the defense, they suddenly began to revive it ??? to support illusions, so as not to create protest moods ???
                      so the situation is still twofold, at least for me.
                      1. +1
                        22 May 2013 17: 43
                        1) yes
                        after all, if you look from the other side of what suddenly instead of finishing the defense industry, they suddenly began to reanimate it ??? to support the illusions, in order not to create protest moods ??? so the situation is twofold so far, at least for me.

                        I think exactly the same opinion, it seems to me that the people would have thrown the gingerbread, because 5 90's years would have been a 100% revolution, and so they pretended that everything was getting better, although nothing had changed. , gave the enemy in the face of the United States and the marsh (which would have been planted long ago if it were necessary), and we sit chewing one while they do the other. And it is also strange that they are blaming everything on the ministers (who Pu himself set and upholds) that he sees nothing and everything is going on without his knowledge, again the bear worked successfully, drove the country into the WTO, threw Libya and, like Pu, in business and the fact that Medvedev was the successor of Pu nobody remembers, and Pu himself is the successor of the drunk Yeltsin, why would a traitor advertise Pu? Serdyuk is being held, they have done their work and ends in the water, now they will throw it over the hill and everything, will give them Pu money for a comfortable life and voila, but he himself has nothing to do with it, this is all of them. And rearmament, let’s say so with difficulty, and I’m generally keeping quiet about the economy. The same situation with the Central Bank, which should be nationalized, everyone waited and waited and what did Pu do when changing the head of the Central Bank? I put a pro-western fry-up there, and personally, I didn’t know either? Birth problems have long been resolved by the banal ban on abortion and the construction of good orphanages, cadet corps, etc. But who cares? Corruption as it was everywhere, so it remained everywhere, even pay attention to the news that the fact was revealed there, then there, neither the names, nor the refund does not occur. For that propaganda works with a bang, as if ours have adopted the experience of the United States in this matter. So I rather hold the opinion that Pu is a traitor, but not a stupid traitor like Yeltsin, but clever and cunning. Everything seems to be improving, but in reality, as it was in 90's, it still remains, we got only an illusion. Over the 13 years there is no stable economy, no education, no army, how many have already been heard about the USE? And it's still there to think that Pu does not know this stupidly, because only the lazy one did not speak about it. Something like this, I think, this is only Esaul the whale here, singing the praises of Poo, but in fact all of his articles and arguments are soap bubbles, because it is worth a little to ask about the topics touched by them, then I will fight the bubbles and burst.
                      2. DeerIvanovich
                        0
                        22 May 2013 20: 14
                        fall-winter - we'll see. and maybe we’ll act ... also in the summer winked
  2. +2
    21 May 2013 06: 38
    ] In accordance with the Energy Strategy of Russia for the period up to 2030, by 2030, Russia will have to occupy 15% of the world market for power engineering against the current 2%, that is, overtake Siiemens (now they have 10%) and catch up with Alstom (16%).
    [

    If everything "grows together" Russia will have leverage on its enemies.
    Energy has always been a hot issue, especially in recent times.
  3. +2
    21 May 2013 06: 39
    Esaulu put a plus, but, although I am not a pessimist, the article is too brave. The article smooths out the criminal moments of the EBN Agreement on the sale of weapons-grade nuclear material to our sworn partners and does not report on agreements on the purchase of uranium in Ukraine and Kazakhsan.
    1. +8
      21 May 2013 06: 51

      In general, the enrichment capacities of Russia today are provided with raw materials for 17 years.

      The development of nuclear energy raises the fundamental issue of providing raw materials. The total uranium reserve in Russia, taking into account the available uranium reserves in warehouses, according to the head of Rosatom S. Kiriyenko, significantly exceeds 1 million tons (of which 547,8 thousand are balance reserves). According to S. Kiriyenko, the total amount of uranium will be enough to operate both existing and planned for the construction of nuclear energy facilities for 60 years7, even if Russia does not buy a gram of uranium abroad. hi
      In conclusion, I would like to preface the question - is it possible to use the information presented and the Russian achievements described in it as leverage. Yes, it can be given that countries that depend heavily on Russian technologies are allies of the United States, and pressure can be exerted on the enemy through the influence on his allies, as Israel does today by exerting pressure on Lebanon,
      And why do we need to stoop to the level of Israel, why does Russia engage in blackmail and other intrigues. Today we are pursuing an open policy and, most importantly, calling things by their proper names. Putin will not go down to the level of the West and pursue a similar policy. It will be enough to build cheaper and better than Western competitors and people themselves will be drawn to Russia.
      In the next article I will summarize information about our technological capabilities in the field of aircraft and engine-building.
      Our capabilities are far inferior to our needs! -
      1. +4
        21 May 2013 10: 03
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Putin will not go down to the level of the West and pursue a similar policy. It will be enough to build cheaper and better than western competitors and people themselves will be drawn to Russia

        - break the template or am I confusing you with someone? Are you a staunch and very violent anti-Putinist? Well this is about Putin.
        And regarding the meaning of what you said, I agree completely. Russia can afford not to stoop to such wrying out of hands and to such blackmail. Well, I must try to behave that way. True, this is not always the case. In order to speed up the thought processes in their heads with the Finns, Russia still had to play a little with the export of timber, especially round timber. Otherwise, permission from the Finns to lay the Nord Stream pipe under the sea would have to wait a long time
        1. +7
          21 May 2013 10: 11
          Quote: aksakal
          Are you a staunch and very violent anti-Putinist?

          Oh, how are you, that is, any criticism of Putin and immediately written in anti-Putinists, normally so. But does Putin himself say that criticism is useful? If you are silent, then Putin will not know anything at all what really happens in the regions. Not a small fraction of the information is also drawn from the Internet with the site of ordinary visitors, and from here domestic policy is adjusted. There are things and there are many of them where I support Putin 100% with both hands, especially in foreign policy, but there are things that he still cannot handle, this is corruption, and he himself spoke about this last year. And I do not think that in this case my criticism is not objective.
          Quote: aksakal
          ... To speed up the thought processes in their heads with the Finns, Russia still had to play a little with the export of timber, especially round timber

          Well, this is not blackmail, this is not dirty intrigue, it is Russia's retaliatory move and everything has been said fairly and openly. In recent years, I have not seen, on the whole, the side of Russia or Putin, in particular, low actions against any country. and if you pay attention, then all the actions of Russia are an answer hi
          1. +2
            21 May 2013 11: 15
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Well, this is not blackmail, this is not dirty intrigue, this is Russia's retaliatory move

            - You can evaluate it like that, I don't care, I'm not a Finn laughing
            But it should be noted that if such retaliatory moves are possible with the Finns - the Finns would not have solved the issue of alternative timber supply anyway - there is nowhere to get it, except as in Russia, then, according to Esaul's proposal, such "reciprocal steps" towards the States may not always have pleasant consequences for Russia. For example, the States, faced with pressure on them from Russia along this line, can immediately rush to solve it and very much even (with their technological, financial and scientific potential) can successfully solve it. As a result, the results of pressure may turn out to be modest, and Russia can easily acquire a competitor in the field of nuclear technologies and nuclear energy. "Don't wake up smartly while it is quiet" is a well-known Kazakh proverb. Roughly the same can be extended to space technology and space exploration. Do not abuse, whatever the principle does not go smile
            1. +5
              21 May 2013 11: 27
              Quote: aksakal
              then, according to Esaul's proposal, such "retaliatory steps" towards the States may have consequences that are not always pleasant for Russia

              They can repeat, as one of the options, the game with oil prices, then we won’t think enough. The amers have a lot of responses so far, so blackmail will not work in any case, but it can complicate to a margin even without that a simple relationship.
              Putin will play openly and honestly and that’s why amers will lose because they’re not used to doing business like that. hi
            2. +1
              21 May 2013 23: 27
              Quote: aksakal
              The consequences are not always pleasant for Russia.

              Well, in this case, the consequences will be unpleasant not only for us. You have cited one proverb, let me cite another - "The devil is not so terrible as he is painted." I do not argue that the United States has strength, but not omnipotence, otherwise we would sit today without nuclear weapons Who prevented them from taking full control of our wonderful "Poplar" in the 90s? So you should not be so much afraid of amers. There are many moments where we butt with them, in the near future there will be even more of them. Okay, let's bend our line.
          2. +5
            21 May 2013 11: 23
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Oh, how are you, that is, any criticism of Putin

            - by the way, the version that Putin is not at all at the same time with many "weighty" Kremlin officials is confirmed. Now a scandal has arisen - Dvorkovich is offended, he was not allowed into the President's Palace. Only after the call to Dima, the FSO employee reluctantly stepped aside and opened the barrier laughing Although this incident is passed off as "hitch and misunderstanding", we know that such things are not at all random and have some completely definite contextwink
            I suppose - Dima and his team did not stay long in the Kremlin. Or hope smile
            1. +6
              21 May 2013 11: 29
              Quote: aksakal
              I suppose - Dima and his team did not stay long in the Kremlin. Or hope

              Let’s grin if Kudrin is appointed to the post of the new head of government wassat all sayit will yell-RETURN MEDVEDEV laughing
              1. +4
                21 May 2013 15: 29
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                put Kudrin

                - Kudrina? belay There are people worthy, the same Glazyev what
                1. +3
                  21 May 2013 15: 48
                  Quote: aksakal
                  There are people worthy, the same Glazyev

                  And who puts us worthy request
            2. Gari
              +6
              21 May 2013 11: 39
              The guard of President Vladimir Putin tried not to let Deputy Prime Minister Arkady Dvorkovich into the residence of Bocharov Stream. According to RBC-daily, they managed to get through the checkpoint at the entrance of the car only after a call to Dmitry Medvedev.
              But the car was not missed. Security said the deputy prime minister is not on the lists.

              “We’ll leave now, let them sort it out later,” Dvorkovich said.
              “We have our own boss, we’ll say that to him: Dvorkovich arrived without documents,” the FSO staff replied.

              The discussion ended with a call to the head of government: “Dima, they’re not letting us in!”

              “Security is security, there are hiccups,” commented Dmitry Peskov, spokesman for Vladimir Putin, on RBC daily.
              1. +7
                21 May 2013 11: 41
                Quote: Gari
                “We have our own boss, we’ll say that to him: Dvorkovich arrived without documents,”

                Dvorkovich was completely overwhelmed, he believes that all doors should be open before him and without documents.
              2. +6
                21 May 2013 12: 02
                Quote: Gari
                “We have our own boss, we’ll say that to him: Dvorkovich arrived without documents,” the FSO staff replied.

                Well done boys! Do not retreat before the impudent!
                1. Gari
                  +3
                  21 May 2013 12: 09
                  Quote: Egoza
                  Well done boys! Do not retreat before the impudent!

                  Put in place
              3. +1
                21 May 2013 23: 32
                Quote: Gari
                Security is security, there are hitch ”

                It is absolutely clear that this is a kind of "black mark" for Dvorkovich and the forces that are consolidated with him. Moreover, the second one. The first was in the episode with Polonsky. So we'll take a look.
        2. +1
          21 May 2013 23: 16
          Quote: aksakal
          Do not stoop to such curling out of hands and to such blackmail.

          When everything goes well, of course, you don’t need to twist anyone’s hands. (And what is someone going to do?). But life does not stand still and no one will tell us what will happen tomorrow. And therefore, having influence on others is vital. As an example, the United States. If you didn’t have influence on other countries, could you pursue the policy that you are pursuing? I do not give an assessment in this case of the quality of the policy being pursued. It’s about opportunities. And if we increase our capabilities in this way, then this fine. Agree?
  4. +2
    21 May 2013 07: 15
    Where is the bravado?
    And where about Putin ??
    Or maybe leverage sounds synonymous with Iskander?

    I’m dreaming that in Russia there would be such a production of something, that in the event of a temporary stop of THIS production even for prevention or reconstruction, the enemies, hooked on a product that is not anywhere else, would themselves stand in the elbow pose, that would be submissive silence (!) to expect an early launch into the mode of what without which they cannot ...
    Iskanders and other things are qualitatively preserved and are not an argument ... But they refresh the memory by the presence of a silhouette and service personnel around it ...

    I’m not a sadist and I don’t suffer from a phobia, but the dream voiced above, fulfilled, will make me a truly calm, happy and peaceful person, living only the aspirations of his family ...
    1. +5
      21 May 2013 07: 21
      Quote: Tartary
      I’m dreaming that in Russia there would be such a production of something, that in the event of a temporary stop of THIS production even for prevention or reconstruction, the enemies, hooked on a product that is not anywhere else, would stand up in the elbow pose

      GAZPROM-dreams come true laughing
    2. DeerIvanovich
      +1
      21 May 2013 20: 34
      compact mobile nuclear reactors have already been developed in our country, in theory they should already be put into production (floating vessels for the Far North will be based on them), and the amers are just trying.
    3. 0
      21 May 2013 22: 19
      Quote: Tartary
      Tartary (1)


      Quote: Tartary
      And where about Putin ??

      Hello Godinovich! hi They have it from fear ... Everywhere - Putin ...! wassat
  5. +6
    21 May 2013 07: 42
    32 and 44 thousand missiles, specifically missiles? Does the author imagine that even with the tactical Soviet "Luna" and amerovsky "Pershing 1" this cannot be?
    In the US, all 300 tons of uranium?
    Another time I support A. Romanov. Special articles should be written by a specialist.
    1. +1
      21 May 2013 08: 11
      32 and 44 thousands of missiles, exactly missiles?

      not rockets, but charges, including bombs, mines, artillery shells and warheads
      1. +2
        21 May 2013 08: 32
        Quote: Straus_zloy
        not missiles, but charges

        Quote from the article ...
        Judge for yourself - by that time the USA had stocked 32000, and the USSR - 44000 of these missiles and seriously considered plans to increase the number of these carriers.

        Quote: Straus_zloy
        including bombs, mines,

        What is this with a nuclear mine? There were bookmarks of YaB in the Far East at sites of a possible breakthrough of the Chinese, but these are not mines.
        1. +2
          21 May 2013 09: 15
          What is this with a nuclear mine?

          http://osnovavam.ru/yadernye-miny-fugasy/


          http://newzz.in.ua/histori/1148853208-v-1987-godu-diversanty-gru-sssr-ustanovili



          -v-ssha-tri-atomnye-miny.html




          http://nuclearno.ru/text.asp?6392

          http://excellent-news.ru/archives/377

          http://animalworld.com.ua/news/Jadernyje-miny-kholodnoj-vojny-sogrevali-kuricy
          1. +2
            21 May 2013 09: 27
            Quote: Straus_zloy
            http://osnovavam.ru/yadernye-miny-fugasy/

            This is the tactical YaB .. that burrows into the ground about which I wrote to you, there are no mines as such. Timer or distance
            1. +4
              21 May 2013 09: 34
              Well, who calls it what. This does not negate the fact that the USSR possessed 44000 of nuclear charges (not missiles), and the author of the article simply described
              1. +3
                21 May 2013 09: 46
                Quote: Straus_zloy
                and the author of the article just described

                I agree with that laughing
              2. -2
                21 May 2013 21: 13
                Quote: Straus_zloy
                Well, who calls it what. This does not negate the fact that the USSR possessed 44000 of nuclear charges (not missiles), and the author of the article simply described

                Greetings
                Quote: Straus_zloy
                Straus_zloy (3)

                and thank you for the correction. So it is. The number of CARRIERS was meant. drinks
        2. +7
          21 May 2013 14: 12
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          What is this with a nuclear mine?

          Special ammunition for the Tulip He is still a mortar bully
      2. +3
        21 May 2013 16: 18
        Quote: Straus_zloy
        not missiles, but charges, including bombs, mines, artillery shells and warheads

        - When I served, in our air defense unit (S-200 complex) there was just a horseradish cloud (even more than usual) of S-200 missiles with a yellow band in the warhead sector. Moreover, many missiles stood on alert! They didn’t let us in to such missiles, and we ourselves didn’t really like to approach them, so it’s a fact that the USSR could gain about this amount of charges, and even missiles.
    2. fortunophile
      +3
      21 May 2013 09: 12
      Quote: My address
      Another time I support A. Romanov. Special articles should be written by a specialist.

      I read your comment yesterday and concluded that you "come from the USSR", like many here on the forum hi ... So in the SA there were political officers who were charged with reading political information to soldiers, they took newspapers (you probably remember them), selected articles and "infa rushed over the bumps." fellow Well, the esaul reminds me of such a political officer, moreover, "ossified", he lives only "with the truth from the newspapers", if something does not fit into his template, it is "the intrigues of enemies" or a provocation. hi
      1. +9
        21 May 2013 09: 42
        Alexey .... amused.
        ".. reminds me of such a political officer .."
        But it doesn’t remind me. The venerable Yesaul is the former political officer.
        He himself wrote about it. No secret.
        1. fortunophile
          +1
          21 May 2013 09: 51
          Quote: Igarr
          The venerable Yesaul is the former political officer; he himself wrote about this. No secret

          I missed this moment hi We must pay tribute to the fact that there were good political officers who were engaged in their work, were a "dear father" and a "vest for tears" for soldiers, helped young officers to "grow into a team" correctly and were useful and respected. There were also enough "careerists" (for some reason there were always a lot of them in this environment) and the whole part was in a fever from intrigue, because the political politicians had serious "levers"
          1. Connection of higher political officers
          2. Party and Komsomol line (terrible force, careers at one time broke at meetings)
          3. A lot of free time and a large staff of informers in all divisions
  6. k220150
    +5
    21 May 2013 08: 01
    The deepest bow to the memory of those who, through incredible labors and hardships, raised atomic and missile technologies to such a level that allows us to remain sovereign (at least outwardly). Their fate is that of soldiers.
  7. +1
    21 May 2013 08: 02
    It’s clear that there are only a few in the subject. The rest download what the Internet gives. The atomic weapon has really become a problem for us and the USA, but the Americans have solved the problem more quickly. Therefore, I think it’s stupid to talk about some kind of betrayal of the interests of the Motherland. Instead of spending billions on enrichment is easier to earn billions by selling already worthless weapons
    1. +2
      21 May 2013 08: 29
      Quote: domokl
      Instead of spending billions on enrichment, it’s easier to earn billions by selling already worthless weapons

      Amer, what suckers? Even with me in 1994 in Kamchatka there was very good uranium and red mercury was fused for one in the USA, at that time for a very tidy sum. Personally, a memo was printed in the name of Rear Admiral Harnikov, then he was the Commander of the KTOF.
      1. +5
        21 May 2013 09: 36
        No "red mercury" exists in nature laughing and there are some compounds of mercury, colored orange and brown. And all the "head-to-head" about "red mercury" is a raft of complete illiteracy in the field of chemistry. Take the word of a person with a university degree in chemistry hi
        1. +2
          21 May 2013 09: 50
          Quote: Andrey57
          And all the "head-to-head" about "red mercury" is a raft of complete illiteracy in the field of chemistry.

          But it didn’t seem like that to my immediate superior, Deputy Commander of KTOF. I don’t know what knowledge he had in the field of chemistry, but he knew for sure that it existed. All documents related to it were classified by the secret. Sent by ribbons, what is a ribbon I hope it is not necessary to explain?
          1. +2
            21 May 2013 09: 55
            Red mercury is a scam of the century. I think she will go into textbooks. On Wikipedia:
            Red mercury, or RM-20/20, or a multifunctional catalyst, or Compound-20/20 is a non-existent substance, supposedly one of the latest military developments of the USSR. The most commercially successful fictional material
            1. +1
              21 May 2013 10: 15
              Quote: Canep
              . On Wikipedia:

              I wanted to spit on Wikipedia, I had 999 clearance and worked in the OKP, so I know much more than I say. And all the information on the theft of mercury came directly from the FSK.
              1. +2
                21 May 2013 10: 24
                I had 999 clearance

                what kind of beast is this?

                sort of like this:

                the first form is for citizens admitted to information of special importance;
                the second form is for citizens admitted to top secret information;
                the third form is for citizens admitted to secret information.

                I had the second one, some of our guys had the first one, and about 999 even in normative documents it is not indicated recourse :

                http://base.consultant.ru/cons/cgi/online.cgi?req=doc;base=LAW;n=137414;frame=80

                0
                1. 0
                  21 May 2013 11: 02
                  Quote: Straus_zloy

                  the first form is for citizens admitted to information of special importance;

                  I was not a civilian and in the OKP civilian will not be allowed!
                  Quote: Straus_zloy
                  and about 999, even in regulatory documents is not indicated

                  In 1994, when I received it, FSK was issued for working with documents secretly, in secret. OKP is the main command post, the bunker from where military control takes place in wartime
              2. +1
                21 May 2013 10: 26
                This scam was started at the very top, so it went according to your secret documents as misinformation with the expectation of a leak, only you were not informed about this. You yourself should know that you were informed only what you should know, and curiosity was not welcomed here. Now nothing is heard about this substance. The noise subsided by itself because disclosure is not beneficial to anyone. Happy holiday to you, Alexander.
                1. +2
                  21 May 2013 11: 13
                  Quote: Canep
                  This scam was started at the very top, so it went according to your secret documents as misinformation with the expectation of a leak, only you were not informed about this

                  Excuse me, where did you work?
                  1. +2
                    21 May 2013 14: 30
                    Clearly, there will be no answer
                  2. fortunophile
                    0
                    21 May 2013 14: 32
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Excuse me, where did you work?

                    I think in counterintelligence winked Until now, he catches spies on the site, just what he tried to expose. I am not even me, but a "group" wassat Shpienov from the countries of Europe, which got on the site in order to obtain the general rank feel
    2. Kaa
      +9
      21 May 2013 08: 35
      Quote: domokl
      .Therefore, I consider stupidity to speak of some kind of betrayal of the interests of the Motherland
      “In general, by 1985 the USSR did not have enough missiles to bolt all the charges it had to them. By the end of 1985, the USSR, at the peak of its glory, had about 44 nuclear charges. Some of these charges was with weapons-grade plutonium, part with highly enriched uranium, but the general assessment made, for example, here, tells us the following: as of 000, both main enemies in the Cold War had about 1991% of the world's reserves of all highly enriched plutonium (95 tons) and uranium (260 tons) .Assessment on the sides of the conflict looks like this: the USA possessed about 2 tons of uranium and about 000 tons of plutonium, while the USSR managed to produce about 600-85 tons of uranium and 1100 tons of plutonium. decomposed, for example, here, but in principle there are a lot of assessments in the Western literature and they all clearly say that the USSR overtook the United States about two times in weapons-grade isotopes. The "HEU-LEU" program utilized 1400 tons of Russian weapons-grade uranium. 155-450, the United States disposed of, in addition to the Russian 1993 tons of HEU, another 201,2 tons of its highly enriched uranium.It must be emphasized that all this uranium was finally consumed in the form of fuel for “western-type” reactors. That is, about 700 tons of weapons-grade uranium was the oxygen cushion that held the American (and more broadly - the whole Western!) Nuclear generation over the past 20 years. Again, returning to the previous materials of the series, the sensible centrifuge enrichment industry in Western countries (mainly due to the efforts of European companies Areva and Urenco) is still being created, and gas diffusion plants of USEC and Areva itself have already been scheduled for closure in the period 2015-2017. And (surprise! Surprise!) Russian weapons-grade uranium as part of the HEU-LEU deal ceases to enter the western market since 2014.
      http://voprosik.net/prodazha-oruzhejnogo-urana-v-ssha-vygodna-rossii/
      1. -1
        21 May 2013 21: 37
        Quote: Kaa
        In general, by the 1985 year, the USSR no longer had enough missiles to fasten to it all the charges it had
        ...
        Greetings, KAA. hi ! Give a link to this article. I just relied on the materials from it, from memory. At the beginning of the year, the computer crashed and the base was lost. But this article was "jammed" there! Thank you for having it. drinks
        1. Kaa
          +2
          21 May 2013 21: 48
          Quote: esaul
          But this article was "jammed" there!
          For God's sake. There is still a lot of stuff there, if only there was time to analyze it. Http://voprosik.net/prodazha-oruzhejnogo-urana-v-ssha-vygodna-ross
          ii / Actually - the “battle for uranium” was lost to the United States even then. If Trimile Island hadn’t happened in 1979, it would have been worth inventing. If you accept a “high” estimate of the available uranium at the end of the USSR era (1400 tons), then the reserves of Russian uranium will amount to around 780 tons, for example, calmly says such an informed person as the president of the Canadian company Cameco Jerry Grandi. This Canadian man knows this business very well - he supplied natural uranium to Russia at “special prices” exactly since 1999 and has supplied it to this day. He felt these Russian “other polymers” in his own skin. In general, even in the most pessimistic forecast, Russia can continue to supply the West with the HEU-LEU scheme for another 10-15 years. In general, everything is like Gogol’s in “Viye”. Whoever has a thicker prayer book and who holds a circle won. The night is shorter than the day. Hey you, those who hid in their cozy minks of coal, oil and gas! Those who think that on someone else's hump you can enter paradise duty free!
          1. 0
            21 May 2013 21: 54
            Quote: Kaa
            For God's sake. There is still a lot of stuff, if only there was time to analyze

            Thank you buddy hi
    3. rereture
      +1
      21 May 2013 08: 55
      Weapons-grade plutonium will not be sold to the United States or Russia, since they can again "heat" a reactor or produce weapons.
    4. rereture
      0
      21 May 2013 09: 01
      By the way, Russia does not have reserves of natural uranium, but we are the largest exporter of nuclear fuel. Most exported fuel poisons are recyclable fuels.
      1. +2
        21 May 2013 16: 31
        Quote: rereture
        By the way, Russia does not have reserves of natural uranium, but we are the largest exporter of nuclear fuel. Most exported fuel poisons are recyclable fuels.

        - and the largest re-exporter of uranium. The largest uranium producer in the world is Kazakhstan. After uranium mining from mines in the form of a yellow hake and its further primary processing, it is sent to Russia on Ulbink, where they are given the final presentation as special tablets (probably, as in the picture).
        Before such cooperation developed, in Kazakhstan there were some dark half-spy stories and turbulence in the top management of Kazatomprom (the world leader, I remind you), as a result of which the president of this organization, Mukhtar Dzhakishev, who, in general, made Kazatmprom a leader, went in prison for relatively (relatively familiar morals of our home-grown bureaucrats) small shoals. I strongly suspect that this story in the top management of the Kazakhstani national company and the SABZh somewhere strongly "beat" each other, but I do not know the details, so I will not say anything. Just in case - Russians, ay-ay-ay, there are not so many good managers in Kazakhstan that as a result of special operations at the political level they would end up on bunks. We will not be enough of professional managers. Well it is, on the ball.
        1. -1
          21 May 2013 21: 43
          Quote: aksakal
          aksakal (1)


          Greetings, Aksakal hi Very sensible comment. However, like all the previous ones. Thank. hi Only this little stochka
          Quote: aksakal
          Russians, ay-ay-ay, there are not so many good managers in Kazakhstan that, as a result of special operations at the political level, they find themselves on a bunk.
          - Is there any involvement of the Russian security forces?
          1. 0
            22 May 2013 07: 17
            Quote: esaul
            Is there involvement of the Russian security forces?

            - Our local opposition newspapers are shouting about this, though they have little faith. Dzhakishev himself posted on YouTube, when there was an investigation that everything that happens in relation to him, is in the interests of Russia. But he is a person involved and self-interested, therefore, too, there is no particular faith.
            But if we nevertheless take into account that nuclear energy and nuclear technologies are strategic industries and are so important that they can be the subject of GREAT POLICY, and if we take into account that the strongest player in the nuclear energy field - Russia has everything - However, competitors - in the person of the same Westinghouse, then in Kazakhstan, as the largest supplier of the nuclear crowd, there could really be a fight for control over the flows of this fuel and it could really take just such a form. True, all these are assumptions based simply on logical premises. In any case, even if Dzhakishev suffered precisely because of this, this is partly his fault. A manager of this rank, and even in such an industry, must be able to analyze the situation, incl. and political, and make appropriate and correct decisions, incl. and concerning his personal safety.
  8. +2
    21 May 2013 08: 09
    The situation is very, very difficult in providing fuel for their nuclear power plants not only in the United States, but also among their European allies. That’s why Americans are paying all sorts of “Green” lobbying for the closure and construction of new nuclear power plants around the world in order to delay the small reserves that are available to themselves

    rejection of the Iranian nuclear energy development program fits into this policy
    1. +2
      21 May 2013 13: 03
      And if it weren’t for Fukushima, it would be worth coming up with something like this.
  9. rereture
    -2
    21 May 2013 08: 43
    Soon, reactors based on the principle of nuclear fission will be a thing of the past, since natural uranium will last for 60-70 years. But our scientists are working on a fusion reactor based on the properties of nuclear fusion. Several unique TOKAMAK installations are proof of this.
    1. +2
      21 May 2013 09: 44
      Soon, nuclear fission reactors will be a thing of the past.

      they won’t leave so quickly, they just become more effective.

      hybrid reactors will go, uranium in the isomeric state, giving not 2-3, but 5 neutrons per decay and. etc.


      since natural uranium will last for years at 60-70.


      Have you heard about breeder reactors?

      But our scientists are working on a fusion reactor


      The whole world is working, but the fusion is about to be promised to us from 1955.
      1. 0
        22 May 2013 08: 24
        Quote: Straus_zloy
        nuclear fission will be a thing of the past

        - There are modifications of fast neuron reactors. Very promising direction.
        Quote: Straus_zloy
        The whole world is working, but the fusion is about to be promised to us from 1955.

        - There is a thermonuclear poison too. The energy received is only five times higher than that spent on maintaining a frantic temperature and plasma shock in a confined space, the design of the reactor is incredibly complex and unreliable, control is also very complicated, for serial use it won’t work. But energy is already in a tangible plus - and this is a plus. Further evolution on technological improvement of both efficiency, design, and management. So thermonuclear fusion is the foreseeable future, where in about eleven years.
    2. +1
      21 May 2013 10: 52
      TOKAMAKI still consume more energy than they produce. Although there is slow progress in this area. And in order to really talk about thermonuclear energy, it is necessary not only for it to produce it, but also for it (energy) to be economically viable.
    3. +2
      21 May 2013 13: 04
      while our future is breeders then fusion
  10. avs1208
    0
    21 May 2013 08: 53
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    red mercury fused for one in the US


    It seemed to me that under the guise of "red mercury" they were alloying an amalgam of rare metals ...
    1. +3
      21 May 2013 09: 18
      there is no "red mercury"
      1. +4
        21 May 2013 09: 31
        Quote: Straus_zloy
        there is no "red mercury"

        The state denies the existence of red mercury as such, but it does exist. In the early 90s, when all and sundry sold it, but saw its units. Red mercury is used in YaB and nowhere else. It is safer to trade machine guns in the market, there will be less time. The cost of one kg of red mercury is 500 in bucks, ordinary mercury is of great value.
        1. 0
          21 May 2013 09: 38
          Red mercury is used in YaB and nowhere else

          Physics, please. What process is it used in? I somehow imagine the physics of processes in nuclear war, and even we were taught the neutron calculation of both charges and reactors.
          In my opinion "red mercury" is a grandiose scam
          1. +2
            21 May 2013 10: 16
            Quote: Straus_zloy
            In my opinion "red mercury" is a grandiose scam

            Your opinion, you have every right to it hi I have already said more than enough.
        2. Kaa
          +3
          21 May 2013 15: 50
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          It is safer to trade machine guns in the market, there will be less time.
          Most importantly, you will LIVE belay
    2. +2
      21 May 2013 09: 32
      Quote: avs1208
      It seemed to me that under the guise of "red mercury" they were alloying an amalgam of rare metals ...

      No, it was red mercury that sneaked and sold and was sold by those who held large posts.
      1. avs1208
        +3
        21 May 2013 09: 38
        Does she have a formula? What are her properties? Is it some kind of isotope or a compound with something?
        1. +3
          21 May 2013 09: 53
          Quote: avs1208
          Does she have a formula? What are her properties?

          All that is connected with it is state mystery, they will not post anything to you. Yes, and I do not think that there is a person involved in its creation on the site.
          1. avs1208
            +3
            21 May 2013 10: 02
            Some cat in a bag turns out. So if you bought it in the west, then did you know something? Well, I understand the recipe for the production of a secret. Well, is the physical and chemical PROPERTIES not a secret? Well, did they weigh it there, or did they pour it over the banks?
            1. +2
              21 May 2013 10: 18
              Quote: avs1208
              Well, did they weigh it there, or did they pour it over the banks?

              I didn’t steal it, therefore I can’t answer you this question request
              1. avs1208
                +4
                21 May 2013 11: 07
                [quote = avs1208] Well, did they weigh it there, or did they pour it over the banks? [/ quote]
                I didn’t steal it, therefore I can’t answer you this question request[/ Quote]

                And so it is before my eyes that your Pacific Fleet commander is gray-haired with a canister of some red garbage, bending over the warheads in the missile carrier’s mine, and pouring it into the secret hole by eye ... And then Judas calls the American admiral and says, come on dear here in my canister a bit is left of what you don’t need and why don’t forget the lyama one and a half offhand ...
                1. +3
                  21 May 2013 11: 11
                  Quote: avs1208

                  So it’s before my eyes that your Pacific Fleet commander is gray-haired with a canister of some red garbage,

                  Can't you write smarter at all?
                  1. -2
                    22 May 2013 05: 15
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Quote: avs1208

                    So it’s before my eyes that your Pacific Fleet commander is gray-haired with a canister of some red garbage,

                    Can't you write smarter at all?

                    Probably already with the 91st small commerce traded ... so then in certain firms buy and sell, only the lazy did not sell air called `` red mercury '' ...
                    Indeed, while not knowing who she is ...
                    Often mercury oxide was sucked in - a powder that had a reddish tint.
                    Once the FSB officer, sent to sift through the situation under the guise of a purchase, showed us to the merchants, collecting in a heap, a professional drawing of a container for `` red mercury ''.
                    Which was a cylindrical sealed container in a lead sheath with a Dewar vessel (like a thermos flask) placed inside ...
                    However, over a long period of air shaking on the topic of this mercury, in addition to the appearance and disappearance of both shoppers and sellers on the air of the merchant community, no one managed to make ends ...
                    And nobody tries to use oxide. ' in the laboratories it was in bulk ...

                    Red mercury is a butor!
                    There was also liquid explosive in glass ampoules, which was used to weld a stainless steel plate with titanium tubes in the production of steam generators for nuclear submarines ...
                    Here, also, its production participants called red mercury ...
                    It’s good that I don’t have a 999 secret code.)))))))))))))
                    1. 0
                      27 May 2013 18: 02
                      Quote: Tartary
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      Quote: avs1208

                      So it’s before my eyes that your Pacific Fleet commander is gray-haired with a canister of some red garbage,

                      Can't you write smarter at all?

                      Probably already with the 91st small commerce traded ... so then in certain firms buy and sell, only the lazy did not sell air called `` red mercury '' ...
                      Indeed, while not knowing who she is ...
                      Often mercury oxide was sucked in - a powder that had a reddish tint.
                      Once the FSB officer, sent to sift through the situation under the guise of a purchase, showed us to the merchants, collecting in a heap, a professional drawing of a container for `` red mercury ''.
                      Which was a cylindrical sealed container in a lead sheath with a Dewar vessel (like a thermos flask) placed inside ...
                      However, over a long period of air shaking on the topic of this mercury, in addition to the appearance and disappearance of both shoppers and sellers on the air of the merchant community, no one managed to make ends ...
                      And nobody tries to use oxide. ' in the laboratories it was in bulk ...

                      Red mercury is a butor!
                      There was also liquid explosive in glass ampoules, which was used to weld a stainless steel plate with titanium tubes in the production of steam generators for nuclear submarines ...
                      Here, also, its production participants called red mercury ...
                      It’s good that I don’t have a 999 secret code.)))))))))))))

                      (B) look, for useful and partly reliable information, which the pseudo-commanders do not call out ...)))
                      I smile with a dipped grin))))))))))))))))))))
          2. +3
            21 May 2013 10: 16
            All that is connected with it is gos.taina, you will not post anything on it

            the physics of processes in nuclear weapons that has existed for almost 70 years is not a secret even for African kings. The secret may be neutron absorption cross sections, design elements, plutonium phase transitions (which have not yet been fully studied), but not a general principle. The barriers to everyone getting an atomic bomb are mostly technological, such as underdeveloped engineering, lack of enrichment facilities ...

            It's the same with "red mercury". If it existed, the technologies for its production, the exact parameters of the design of the charge with its use could be secret ...

            But the general principle, the basic reaction should be clear to everyone. And if you admit the existence of physical laws that were known in the USSR and unknown in the USA wink , then why should they buy it then laughing
            1. +1
              21 May 2013 11: 07
              Quote: Straus_zloy
              If it existed, the technology of its production, the exact parameters of the charge structure with its use could be secret.

              MIG 25 is a secret or falling into the hands of an enemy aircraft did not matter, the amers did not know how to produce it. wink If you don’t know something, but you don’t know anything about red mercury !!! "Then you should not assert what you have never encountered and have no idea what it is about hi
              1. +3
                21 May 2013 11: 20
                MIG-25 is a secret design (at that time), manufacturing technology, a friend-or-foe recognition system, TTX

                But basic principles such as the use of aerodynamic lift and a jet engine were known.

                So with red mercury, don’t tell me how, tell me why it was needed

                Americans knew, just bought bully

                hi
                1. +5
                  21 May 2013 11: 36
                  Quote: Straus_zloy
                  So with red mercury, don’t tell me how, tell me why it was needed

                  Americans knew, just bought

                  At one time, both the Chinese and Japanese and Mossad were hunting for her, now it’s profitable to say that it was a scam of the special services, BUT one big BUT. Remember the time when this happened - this is the very time when our soldiers in Chechnya were betrayed by their own generals, when completely random people were in power. At that time, corruption was elevated to the rank of state, if it was a scam, then the amers would know would be the first. It is enough to recall how the vulture map, by the location and number of all nuclear forces, sailed from Gorbachev’s table to the table in the White House. There are many myths, but not many really know what happened. The rest. What is written here is the comments of people who watched some kind of TV show and made conclusions. Yes, for God's sake, I won’t convince otherwise. Just some people know, while others think they know hi
                  1. +4
                    21 May 2013 14: 07
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    . Just some people know, while others think they know

                    Expression liked it.
              2. Kaa
                +6
                21 May 2013 15: 56
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                it’s not worth asserting what you have never encountered and do not have a clue what it is about

                Quote: Straus_zloy
                . If it existed, the technology of its production could be secret, the exact parameters of the charge structure with its use

                Does the US have knapsack ammunition?
  11. +3
    21 May 2013 09: 33
    Thorium reactors are the normal branch of energy.
    Pros:
    1. The thorium reactor is, in principle, much safer than uranium (there is no self-sustaining reaction - it means it will go out without neutron pumping and the pressure in the circuit is low - there is no danger of pipeline ruptures).
    2. The thorium reactor produces much less waste and, at the same time, is capable of "burning" the "garbage" already produced by uranium reactors.
    3. Explored reserves of thorium are 4-5 times more than uranium.
    4. Almost all of the mined thorium (84%) can be used in reactors, unlike uranium (0,7% of the mined is suitability).
    5. The thorium reactor can be made small-sized, inexpensive (accessible to the community of a large village / small town (of course, in European economic theory)), low-maintenance (once a year) with continuous fuel injection (fuel refueling is not necessary - the operation in uranium reactors is unpleasant and unsafe , and even with a rather dubious pleasure of storing spent fuel on cooling).
    1. +1
      21 May 2013 11: 45
      I think it's too early to write off uranium and replace it with thorium. Uranium 238, which is now almost never used, can be processed (with energy) in fast neutron reactors into new fuel, plutonium, and then plutonium can be burned in ordinary reactors ... Thus, not 0.7% of uranium will be used in 20 (!) times more. Well, when all uranium is burned, it may come to thorium ...
      Read more here.
      http://gazeta.eot.su/article/большая-энергетическая-война-часть-ix-ядерная-энерг
      ethics -–- ending
    2. 0
      21 May 2013 12: 35
      Let's practice on the Indians and think about thorium.
      And now the question is where are its deposits?
  12. 0
    21 May 2013 11: 16
    The article is deceitful ... It’s not enough that the author is INCOMPATENT in the field that he undertook to comment on and is trying to give out the DESIRED FOR REAL.
    An example of incompetence: NOBODY WILL USE WEAPON URANIUM for a long time. Well, there are no such bombs and warheads, all LONG LONG TIME use plutonium ONLY for this.
    There are two examples of incompetence: No one and NEVER uses CENTRIFUGA to obtain PLUTONIUM. Plutonium is chemically isolated.
    And a lot of such nonsense in this article.
    One can see a TARGETED attempt to launder a sale and wrecking deal on the almost FREE return of OWN weapon plutonium for use at American nuclear power plants. The wrecking here is twofold - the disarmament of Russia and the provision of HIS geopolitical ENEMY with free fuel for nuclear power plants.
    1. +2
      21 May 2013 11: 59
      Apparently you are a physicist or physicist. Those. a specialist, unlike the captain.
      1. avs1208
        +1
        21 May 2013 12: 05
        "Plutonium is released CHEMICAL way" - a chemist from God! The highest class specialist. I take off my hat and bow low to you.
        1. +3
          21 May 2013 12: 13
          Plutonium is chemically isolated

          stands out. Only at first it is produced in the reactor using neutron irradiation wink
          1. 0
            21 May 2013 12: 58
            So this is ALL the problem ... Look at the link there everything is described in sufficient detail and qualitatively:
            http://gazeta.eot.su/article/большая-энергетическая-вой
        2. +1
          21 May 2013 12: 56
          Do not foolishly! It is impossible to separate Uranium 235 and Uranium 238 in a CHEMICAL way, they are separated PHYSICALLY - by centrifuges or filters ... But plutonium can be separated from a mixture of all sorts of things in a CHEMICAL way without any expensive turbidity such as centrifuges ...
    2. +2
      21 May 2013 12: 55
      Plutonium is chemically isolated.

      And I was taught at school and at the institute that in the Reactors.

      An example of incompetence: NOBODY WILL USE WEAPON URANIUM for a long time. Well, there are no such bombs and warheads, all LONG LONG TIME use plutonium ONLY for this.

      and wow physics canceled at school did not know did not know
      geopolitical ENEMY free fuel for nuclear power plants.

      Now get off the armored car and think about this figure
      Country Company, Plant 2010 2015 2020
      France Areva: Georges Besse I and II 8500 7000 7500-1100
      Germany, Holland, England, URENCO: Gronau (Germany), Almelo (Holland), Capenhurst (England) 12800 12300 12300
      Japan JNFL, Rokkaasho 0 150 1050-15000
      USA USEC: Paducah & Piketon 11300 3800 3800
      USA URENCO: New Mexico 200 5700 5700
      USA Areva: Idaho Falls 0 1500 3300
      USA Global Laser Enrichment 0 1000 3000-6000
      Russia TENEX: Angarsk, Novouralsk, Zelenogorsk, Seversk 24500 30000 30000-35000
      China CNNC, Hanzhun & Lanzhou 1300 3000 6000-8000
      Pakistan, Brazil, Iran Miscellaneous 100 500 500-1000
      Total 53250 65000 73000-95000
  13. avs1208
    +2
    21 May 2013 11: 18
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: Straus_zloy
    If it existed, the technology of its production, the exact parameters of the charge structure with its use could be secret.

    MIG 25 is a secret or falling into the hands of an enemy aircraft did not matter, the amers did not know how to produce it. wink If you don’t know something, but you don’t know anything about red mercury !!! "Then you should not assert what you have never encountered and have no idea what it is about hi


    MIG-25 is a plane on which you can fly and if you want to shoot - and this is not a secret. And red mercury is something I don’t know is secret, but everyone buys and sells) Moreover, everything is secret even weight and volume) Only the color is not secret.
    1. +2
      21 May 2013 12: 41
      Quote: avs1208
      . And red mercury - I don’t know what, secret, but everyone buys and sells)

      Everyone sells bullshit tinted with nail polish or some other nonsense; only a few people sell real mercury without advertising.
      1. avs1208
        0
        21 May 2013 21: 20
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        real mercury is sold by units and not advertised.


        I think this is Putin, well, it happens, of course, that bullshit is carrying blood of the oppositionists tortured in the dungeons of the Kremlin. Well, most likely Medvedev carries - probably he is not being searched?
        1. avs1208
          0
          21 May 2013 21: 21
          In the airport?
      2. 0
        22 May 2013 00: 29
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        or some other nonsense, real mercury

        This bullshit, painted with nail polish, could only be sold to me, but I don’t need red or gray-brown mercury. In your opinion, it turns out that the one who buys this "miracle" for huge grandmothers also doesn’t shit in it Otherwise, how could they have "bullshit" into it?
  14. Volkhov
    -1
    21 May 2013 11: 48
    Only part of the title is correct in the article - "And we have gas in our apartment." - this is really an economic lever, and nuclear power plants are shut down in Germany and Japan, new ones are not being built in the USA, so nuclear raw materials are losing sales. After filling the storages, they will begin to distribute it to enthusiasts (for example, the author of the article) for storage under the bed, from this the fantasy will still warm up.
    In a global catastrophe, nuclear power plants and storage facilities overheat, so they bring everything here - Zionism takes care of the Russians. Contract expiration date for NM coincides with the beginning of the disaster.
  15. -2
    21 May 2013 12: 00
    thanks to the author. He opened his eyes to the uranium deal.
    1. +3
      21 May 2013 12: 27
      The most interesting thing is that the Americans and Europeans really messed with the uranium enrichment technology ... we have already exceeded the centrifuge for the 9th generation ... the TVEL output is several times cheaper than the American or European one and this is the cost of the electricity output is the cost of electricity generated goods is a whole chain of interconnected events .... Europeans and Americans fell into the so-called a fork when they can try to create such an enrichment technology for themselves by swelling billions and then trying to catch up with the Russian Federation or simply admit the fact of our superiority, score on this topic and put up with it.
      I repeat ... they if my memory serves me right .. centrifuges of the third generation can’t do, but in our country it’s already exceeded the 9th.
      1. +5
        21 May 2013 12: 43
        9th generation centrifuge exceeded

        Carpets recently released 10th
        1. +1
          21 May 2013 12: 54
          Quote: leon-iv
          Carpets recently released 10th

          Fine! )))
      2. +1
        21 May 2013 18: 12
        Quote: Scoun
        hammer on this subject and put up

        How is it going with thermonuclear? If within 50 years a breakthrough is planned then of course to score
        1. 0
          22 May 2013 17: 49
          Yes, there is work on steeper thermonuclear fusion.
          (I didn’t even care about fusion)
  16. +4
    21 May 2013 12: 03
    Guys. Have you seriously decided to discuss this political information? Yesaul you would have more bronivichek with which you can much better hang the noodles to the masses.
    1. fortunophile
      +2
      21 May 2013 12: 08
      Quote: Mechanic
      Guys that you seriously decided to discuss this political information

      Well, he read at least something to this political information, and not as he pulled on the forums yesterday and showed an example of "female logic". However, in the evening we are waiting for the next tantrum of the author "" I'm right and I know a lot, but these hyenas do not understand me !!! I will not make excuses, the smart ones will understand themselves !!! ... "It's strange how the esaul (Cossack, warrior) positions himself, but behaves like a schoolgirl who has flown in request
    2. bask
      +4
      21 May 2013 12: 10
      Quote: Mechanic
      Guys. Have you seriously decided to discuss this political information?

      Hi Eugene hi
      Of course not. In their right mind, no one perceives them.
      Better say ((if possible) we have uranium armored ceramics for MBT.
      1. fortunophile
        +3
        21 May 2013 12: 20
        Quote: bask
        Of course not. In their right mind, no one perceives them.

        And I like the way the esaul turns on John3voltovoy, after his "pumping" he gives out such pearls ... Only Johnny disappeared somewhere, offensively I miss his sparkling comments. A site without Joni is like a circus without a clown! Johnny come back !!!
        1. bask
          +4
          21 May 2013 12: 23
          Quote: fortuneophile
          Joni, it's a shame I miss without his sparkling comments. A site without Joni, it's like a circus without a clown! Joni come back !!!

          probably, overheated, now being treated fool
      2. +6
        21 May 2013 12: 29
        Quote: bask
        Better say ((if possible) we have uranium armored ceramics, for MBT
        Hi dear. There are projects, but this is not the best solution, so far they have refused it in short.
        1. fortunophile
          +2
          21 May 2013 12: 32
          Quote: Mechanic
          There are projects, but this is not the best solution, so far they have refused it in short.

          "The enemy is not asleep" Eeee, how can it not stand on a common resource? hi
          1. +5
            21 May 2013 12: 59
            Quote: fortuneophile
            "The enemy is not asleep" Eeee, how can it not stand on a common resource?

            And what the Mechanic wrote .. uranium armored ceramic bullshit is better. Well, let the humiliated enemy break his brains, but what did the Russians come up with again what
        2. bask
          +4
          21 May 2013 13: 01
          Quote: Mechanic
          . There are projects, but this is not the best solution, so far they have refused

          Thanks for the reply.
          It pleases, materials science and alloys have always been in the USSR, having no analogues in the world,... So there is still a school and a MAJOR PEOPLE.
          The main obstacle to progress is today's power mired in luxury and corruption !!
          And our people are smart and with golden hands.
    3. +4
      21 May 2013 12: 39
      Definitely definitely better to read Alredy Yet. And in Rosatom, and so everything is in full swing with the people a lot of work.
      1. +4
        21 May 2013 14: 10
        Quote: leon-iv
        And in Rosatom everything is in full swing.

        Especially Kiriyenko. The whole boiled away.
        1. 0
          21 May 2013 14: 16
          About identity.
          Just recently, a friend in the Vladimir region went. Look at the site under the new Murom NPP,
  17. +1
    21 May 2013 12: 43
    Politya, as always, flooded
    http://scienceandglobalsecurity.org/ru/archive/sgsr19podvig.pdf тут кому интересно почитайте.
  18. Atomkom
    0
    21 May 2013 13: 56
    Somehow it looks rotten. For the Americans put their treasures in the form of weapons-grade uranium into WAREHOUSES. And it was the uranium of the USSR that was exported !!!
    Yes, the address to the private firmochki minister Adamov. Which resold it and resold it. . .
    1. +1
      21 May 2013 14: 16
      TO WAREHOUSES

      No, they in the same way weaned his Canadian KNOW.
  19. +2
    21 May 2013 14: 32
    The site had an article on this topic, with a different color:
    http://topwar.ru/2575-uranovaya-sdelka-xronologiya-prodazhi-rossijskogo-oruzhejn
    ogo-urana-v-ssha-za-1995-2008.html
  20. +3
    21 May 2013 14: 52
    This is nonsense. Such a ravine in which everything was turned upside down from Esaul did not expect.
    Even commenting is disgusting. The article is not just a "minus", this is a specific disinformation ....
  21. Best novel
    +1
    21 May 2013 15: 33
    A person who does not really understand a single issue but has something to say on any topic, with a lot, and even as it seems to him, it is beautiful, in a military way, a political officer, and in the common people, 3,14 zdobol. Let's wait for the next "masterpiece" and it will no longer be possible to make an assessment, but a diagnosis.
  22. +1
    21 May 2013 15: 36
    Yesaul, for the second time I’m putting it minus personally and specifically for you, if you are laying out the article, please participate in the polemic. I absolutely don’t understand the logic of your actions. Yes, I understand the time spent, somewhere you deprived yourself of the opportunity to rest, and then an interesting situation develops, you say visitors discuss without me and in the evening I’ll look at the forum and summarize. Like yesterday. Would you give us a lecture on high matters.
    In connection with the above reason, I refuse to read and do not consider it necessary to even comment.
    1. fortunophile
      -1
      21 May 2013 15: 39
      Quote: Apollon
      , You say visitors discuss without me and in the evening I’ll look at the forum and summarize. Like yesterday.

      So even if I summed up the results in the evening, otherwise apart from "Yaroslavna's crying" and did not see anything, well, insults from the "misunderstood artist" request
    2. 0
      22 May 2013 11: 20
      Quote: Apollon
      Yesaul, for the second time I’m putting it minus personally and specifically for you, if you are laying out the article, please participate in the polemic. I absolutely don’t understand the logic of your actions. Yes, I understand the time spent, somewhere you deprived yourself of the opportunity to rest, and then an interesting situation develops, you say visitors discuss without me and in the evening I’ll look at the forum and summarize. Like yesterday. Would you give us a lecture on high matters.
      In connection with the above reason, I refuse to read and do not consider it necessary to even comment.

      And what is this demarche ???????????
      He wants to participate, does not want to - he drinks tea with sweets ...

      He laughed, however ... lol
  23. Vtel
    0
    21 May 2013 15: 50
    It would be good for Ukraine to sell Chernobyl to the Americans, just let everyone take it so that it does not fonil.
  24. -1
    21 May 2013 18: 19
    The article is very interesting and positive!

    It follows a curious look at the START-3 treaty.
  25. ed65b
    0
    21 May 2013 19: 55
    And it seems that according to the rules, each country that manufactures a nuclear power plant itself takes its spent fuel. Forgotten Germans with the French. they’ll bury their spent fuel at home, and then in the Baltic states of the nuclear power plant.
  26. 0
    21 May 2013 20: 18
    In the energy sector, Rosatom will present Russia in foreign markets, which today has a portfolio of foreign orders worth more than $ 50 billion over the next 10 years. The number of contracts for the construction of nuclear power plants abroad is 21 units in nine countries.

    The article analyzes a little one-sidedly. Not only Russia and the USA have build reactors and have enrichment technology!
    The closest pursuer has 19 firm orders for the construction of a nuclear power plant. This market is fairly well divided and we should work hard to make someone give way!
    I'm not saying that African countries with their huge deposits of uranium are constantly entering the market.
    1. +1
      21 May 2013 22: 07
      Quote: APASUS
      The article analyzes a little one-sidedly. Not only Russia and the USA have build reactors and have enrichment technology!

      Greetings, colleague. For a comprehensive analysis of claims - no. There is a desire to show ONE OF the levers of influence on a potential enemy not only by military potential.
      Something like this ...
      1. +1
        21 May 2013 23: 39
        esaul what leverage you're talking about. In your article about weapons-grade uranium, a blatant lie, designed to bring in a completely illiterate audience. No American weapons-grade uranium has ever been imported into Russia, this is nonsense. I represent the faces of the American senators who announced that the first cargo ship with weapons-grade uranium went to Russia ...
        Take a look at the work of the Gory-Chernomyrdin commission as a treacherous commission for Russia, and you will understand who and where to export weapons-grade uranium to, and for what pennies.
        And today we are experiencing a shortage of uranium for our nuclear power plants, the Krasnokamensky PIMCU provides only a third, the rest we buy from Kazakhstan and Australia.
        Your article is more like an attempt to justify the betrayal of the Yeltsin, and the current Kremlin, in the field of nuclear energy. Yes, and present this betrayal as a blessing.
  27. +3
    21 May 2013 21: 39
    Quote: S_mirnov
    Look at the statistics on the birth of children with physical and mental disabilities and the horror story will become a reality


    IMHO not nuclear waste to blame,
    what products were before beets cabbage potatoes tomatoes tomatoes cucumbers onions - from the neighboring area. local milk. and now? meat is not known to a greater extent, fish is from Norwegian farms at best, apples from Poland at best, corn from a genetically differentiated field, ice cream - poison. not a Soviet read, apples - what kind of apples are these that have been lying for months and DO NOT ROT! - even microbes cannot eat them. earlier in cabbage. aphids, bugs, - now - crystal freshness
    Eating is not clear what. because it’s full of patients, earlier the word allergy was not known at all
    and physical deviations, before leisure - the street, now - the Internet.
    and you say nuclear waste
    1. +1
      22 May 2013 00: 41
      Quote: nod739
      Eating is not clear what.

      I would add, we’ll also be treated with antibiotics. Now even the decomposition of a corpse is a problem. They will lie for 20 years in a fellow countryman and like new. Solid imperishable. Where can nuclear waste compete?
  28. +1
    21 May 2013 22: 22
    Quote: Volkhov
    "And we have gas in our apartment." - this is really an economic lever, and nuclear power plants are shut down in Germany and Japan, new ones are not being built in the USA, so atomic raw materials are losing sales.


    But where does the portfolio of orders for 50 billion come from for the foreseeable 10 years?
  29. 0
    21 May 2013 22: 28
    Our BTC is everything.
    More money should be allocated for the Breakthrough program and the pace should be accelerated.
  30. -1
    22 May 2013 19: 20
    Quote: S_mirnov
    Here, Esaul tries to convince us that uranium is higher than the roof, and if we sell a bit, Russia will not become poor. Yes, and on Esaul, we kind of don’t sell our uranium, but we remake uranium from the USA laughing We heard about steamboats and railway trains carrying 500t. American uranium? So I have not heard.
    And everyone heard about the import of nuclear waste:
    "Mr. Vejonis said that Latvia will have to pay Russia about 300 thousand lats (about 420 thousand euros) for the processing and storage of waste. Foreign nuclear waste will again go to Russia, to the notorious Mayak plant.
    More details: http://www.bellona.ru/articles_ru/articles_2007/Salaspils "
    "This week, Russia and Iran signed an agreement to supply nuclear fuel to the Bushehr nuclear power plant and return the waste to Russia."
    http://www.rbcdaily.ru/market/562949979066559
    That's what they bring to us, and not weapons-grade uranium and plutonium !!!
    And 500, we sold OUR
    "The HEU-LEU program has disposed of 450 tons of Russian weapons-grade uranium. It is reasonable to expect that at the end of the program's period, Russia will transfer all the agreed 500 tons of weapons-grade uranium to the United States. I will point out right away that this uranium now provides about 12% of the world's demand for reactor uranium and 38% of the need for reactor uranium in the United States itself.

    More information at http://voprosik.net/prodazha-oruzhejnogo-urana-v-ssha-vygodna-rossii/ © QUESTION "

    We must remember that merchants rule our country and are primarily interested in personal enrichment, so you should not feel illusions about the sale of weapons-grade uranium (our uranium is sold, it is ours, belonging to the people of the Russian Federation and future generations. And it is on our land that nuclear waste is brought and our people will die out of them!
    And the position of Esaul - selflessly protecting the merchants destroying my Motherland is surprising in me.


    a little more about the poison imported into our country "for processing":
    http://www.businesspress.ru/newspaper/article_mId_40_aId_327311.html


    In general, the problem of SNF disposal does not exist, the problem is far-fetched. The technology has long been proven and is very effective. In fact, spent nuclear fuel is a valuable raw material for the future of nuclear energy, based on a closed nuclear fuel cycle.

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