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Mystery of state symbols

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If you look for a definition of what “state symbols” are, then all explanatory dictionaries will give you the answer — THE SYMBOLS OF THE STATE are the same as the attributes of the state. They give an idea of ​​the nature (essence) of the state and the values ​​it adheres to, personify its national sovereignty and identity.


In principle, state symbols should be offered and approved by all people. But here they are determined in accordance with the opinion of the deputies, and, accordingly, the laws they adopt regarding these symbols.

Everything! State symbols taken! They are beginning to be intensively studied in schools, institutes, they are present at all holidays and in all institutions ...And no one even suspects that after official approval, these symbols begin to influence the subconscious of people, the life and fate of the state.

I understand that after reading the last statement, some forum users may say: “Bullshit is everything,” but I will ask you not to rush to conclusions, but carefully consider the symbols of our dear independent republics.

So that no one had any complaints - let's go alphabetically: Belarus, Russia, Ukraine.

The Republic of Belarus

Belarus is the only country of the former USSR (not counting the unrecognized Transnistria) that restored the Soviet flag (with minor changes). The modern flag follows the pattern of the flag of the Byelorussian SSR, from which Soviet symbols were removed - hammer, sickle and the star, and the ornament is depicted in red on a white background (on the flag of the Byelorussian SSR, the ornament was white on a red background).

For ceremonies and other celebrations The national flag of the Republic of Belarus is used with a diamond-shaped tip with a five-pointed star.

In his speech at the meeting with the winners of the 25 September 1996 contest of the year, Alexander Lukashenko explained the meanings of the colors of the flag and its ornament :.
“The red color on our flag is the color of the victorious standards of the Grunwald victory of the Belarusian regiments over the crusaders. This is the color of the banners of the Red Army divisions and the Belarusian partisan brigades that liberated our land from the fascist invaders and their minions. Green embodies hope, spring and revival; this is the color our forests and fields. White color is the embodiment of spiritual purity.
In the ornament of the flag, the symbols of agriculture are used - rhombuses, the most ancient graphic variations of which are known to archaeologists by their findings on the territory of Belarus. "


The State Emblem of the Republic of Belarus is located in a silver field. the green contour of the State Border of the Republic of Belarus superimposed on the golden rays of the sun rising over the globe. At the top of the field is a five-pointed red star. The coat of arms is framed by a wreath of golden ears, interlaced with flowers of clover on the right, on the left - with flax flowers. The wreath is intertwined three times on each side with a red-green ribbon, in the middle part of which at the base of the State Emblem of the Republic of Belarus two words are inscribed in gold with the words “Republic of Belarus”. (Law of the Republic of Belarus "On state symbols of the Republic of Belarus", July 5 2004, No. 301-З)

Well and the anthem match!

We, Belarusians - my people,
Sertsam addanaya Rodnay zyamlі,
Shchyra sabiruem, sily we gartuem
We ў pratsavіtay, free syam'i.
Glory, you see our light,
Hail, people ў эр эр эр!
Our love matsі-Radzіma,
Everlasting life, Belarus!
Razam s brothers muzhna Vyakami
We baranіlі dear steam,
Have bites for will, bites for share
Own zdabyvali scythe paramog!
Glory, you see our light,
Hail, people ў эр эр эр!
Our love matsі-Radzіma,
Everlasting life, Belarus!
Friendship of the peopleў - with the peopleла -
Our sack, sonyachnyh shlyah.
Gorda is well-known clear high,
Stsyag peramozhny - radastsі stsyag!
Glory, you see our light,
Hail, people ў эр эр эр!
Our love matsі-Radzіma,
Everlasting life, Belarus!

I think that he doesn’t need a translation! All clear! And, most importantly, all the symbols are harmonious. They continue historical development of the country. AND Belarusin my opinion, that's why remains the most stable Republic. Yes, there are difficulties, like all. Yes, there are dissatisfied, but their minority! Yes, sometimes it is very difficult, but people overcome these difficulties, because the symbols of the country support in them the Spirit and Faith in their country.
With all my heart I wish the glorious Republic of Belarus further prosperity and development. With such symbols it can not be broken!

Russian Federation

The national flag of the Russian Federation is a rectangular panel, consisting of three horizontal equal-sized bands: the top is white, the middle is blue, the bottom is red. What do the colors of the flag of Russia mean?
Currently, most often (unofficially) the following interpretation of the meaning of the colors of the flag of Russia is used: white color means peace, purity, purity, perfection; blue - the color of faith and faithfulness, constancy; red color symbolizes energy, strength, blood shed for the Fatherland.

(Although I personally like one more - the "sovereign" interpretation of the meanings of flag colors, which means the unity of three fraternal Eastern Slavic peoples: white - the color of White Russia of Belarus), blue - Little Russia (Ukraine), red - Great Russia.)

Coat of arms of the Russian Federation

The national emblem of Russia is a golden two-headed eagle placed on a red heraldic shield; above the eagle, three historical crowns of Peter I. Two small ones - over each of the heads and one big one over two small crowns; in the paws of an eagle - scepter and orb; on the chest of an eagle on a red shield is a rider striking a dragon with a spear. Scepter and orb - symbols of Russian power. A scepter is a rod pointing, or a cane, or a staff. In ancient mythology, the scepter was the supreme deity. Power - this is a ball with a cross - a symbol of the king's power over the world. Earlier, the state was called the "sovereign apple". The rider striking a dragon with a spear on the chest at the eagle is the emblem of Moscow - St. George the Victorious.

It seems to be a great coat of arms! That's just the coat of arms of the empire! BUT Empire, As is known, most often a vast state, including the territories of other peoples and states. Russia was called I. in 1721-1917 years; Also called the empires of large states with extensive colonial possessions. The empire forms the metropolis and its colonies.

Well and, forgive, whom Russia is going to transform into its colony? Who is going to grab to expand their possessions? Is it because now the former republics of the USSR are afraid to enter into an alliance with Russia? Well, the liberals and the "crams" - shouting that the Russian Empire has gathered everyone to enslave again!

Let this emblem be beautiful, but it DOES NOT correspond to the aspirations of Russia and the people! IMHO.

Russian anthem

Russia is our sacred state
Russia is our favorite country.
Mighty will great glory
Your heritage for all time!
Be glorious, our free Fatherland,
The brotherly peoples of the union age-old,
Ancestors given wisdom of the people!
Be glorious, country! We are proud of you!
From the southern seas to the polar region
Spread our forests and fields.
One you in the world! One you so -
God's native land!
Be glorious, our free Fatherland,
The brotherly peoples of the union age-old,
Ancestors given wisdom of the people!
Be glorious, country! We are proud of you!
Wide space for dreams and for life
The future is open to us for years.
Our loyalty to the Motherland gives us strength.
It was so, so it is and always will be so!
Be glorious, our free Fatherland,
The brotherly peoples of the union age-old,
Ancestors given wisdom of the people!
Be glorious, country! We are proud of you!
Music A. Alexandrov
Words by S. Mikhalkov

But the anthem is just wonderful! Moreover, he practically saved SOVIET music, and the words really correspond to the Spirit of the people! And though in other words, but correspond to the opinion of the Soviet people!
So we got to the Soviet characters. After all, they still exist and act! These are red stars on the towers of the Kremlin, and just stars on the facades and doors of various institutions, this is the Eternal Flame in the Parks of Glory, and monuments of the Soviet era, and the streets named after the heroes who gave their lives in the fight against fascism .... much more.

AND THE PRESENT SYMBOLS ARRAY WITH THE PAST! So the people argue all the time! Well, you can not connect the unconnected - capitalism and socialism, and there is no smooth historical transition. Maybe "some" thought that by changing the characters, everyone would happily run into capitalism? Did not work out! Soviet characters do not allow! And if you change the symbols on the socialist? Ltd! How many opponents there are!

So it turns out that Russia (my love!) despite some progress in the economy, armament, development, EVERYTHING IS EQUAL AS A REMAINING ON THE PLACE AND CANNOT BE ANY DECISION ABOUT THE SELECTED WAY. Can not carry along all the people! Can not specify a goal that will inspire people!

The national emblem and flag of our Motherland must embody its social and political system.

State symbols should reflect the fundamental idea of ​​the equality of all citizens of the Republic, regardless of social, national or religious affiliation.

And until the symbols of the state are harmonized, there will be no sense! Therefore, they must be determined by all the people, and not by a handful of deputies who have climbed into power! And then it will be possible to educate patriots who will know and respect its state symbols.

Would you like to change something in the symbolism of Russia?

And finally, Ukraine!
(My ongoing pain!)


Flag

Traditionally it is believed that the blue and yellow stripes on the national flag means a cloudless sky and yellow wheat in the field. But not all historians agree with this. After all, blue means “the power of God,” and yellow means “faith in God.”

Small “mystical retreat” Once at the beginning of 1992, the Chinese artist Mao Mao asked at a creative event of the then President of Ukraine Leonid Kravchuk to do everything in his power so that in the newly emerged independent Ukraine first of all they would change the placement of flowers on the main state symbol - blue-yellow flag. Say, if it continues to remain the same, then under this combination of colors the country will face inevitable degradation, treason, decay, and finally collapse. After all, according to the artist, the blue on top and yellow on the bottom form the “Pi” hexagram. And this, according to the classical Chinese book of changes, I-Ching, is one of the four worst combinations. And they decode it like this: “Be vigilant and prudent. Do not undertake any important business, because it will not come true rather than come true. Your entourage does not understand you, you are arguing with friends without any reason. ”
Whereas the reverse placement of flowers, when yellow is located at the top, and blue - at the bottom, forms a completely different hexagram “Tai”, which means: “Blossoming. Small leaves. Big is coming. Happiness. Development".

However, L. Kravchuk, whom poets – people's deputies convinced that the blue – yellow flag symbolized the peaceful sky and the golden Ukrainian wheat under him, then laughed: what is useful, they say, for the Chinese, death is for the Chinese and vice versa.

It is possible to treat such “mystical” things in different ways, but the fact remains. At least the 20-year history of our independence demonstrated in the political as well as in the socio-economic life of the state exactly what Mao warned against.

But if you "run through" the historical facts, then there is nothing surprising.

In 1848, in the Austro-Hungarian Empire, where after the partition of Poland the lands of western Ukraine entered, a revolution broke out. Poles, Ukrainians and other Slavs at their congress decided to act in close-knit rows against usurpers under the red Polish flags. It did not suit “Avstrovengrov” and they decided to quarrel with the Slavs. How?

And allowed the Galician Ukrainians to have their own national flag. We took our blue-and-yellow flag with the emblem, removed our great emblem and presented it to the Ukrainians. Ukrainian flag became without coat of arms. Moreover, he was immediately presented with a banner symbolizing the unity of Austria (the bottom yellow was taken from the black and yellow Austrian flag) and the Ukrainian people (the top blue was considered the color of Kievan Rus). This flag was personally hand-sewn (or embroidered) by the mother of Emperor Franz Joseph. Ukrainians from this confidence wept out and immediately quarreled with the Poles, and then it seemed to be under this banner that they participated in the suppression of Hungarians who had risen against the empire. By the way, in the land of Lower Austria is still the flag of the administrative unit ... blue and yellow.

By the way, even though our flag has a blue stripe on top, it is customary to say that the flag is “yellow-blue”. It is no coincidence. From 1917, the inverse of the modern flag was the color of the unofficial banner of the Autonomous Ukraine (as part of the Russian state). But the hetman Skoropadsky and the chief ataman Petlyura turned the flag. Changed the arrangement of colors on the flag of the created Ukrainian People's Republic (1918-1920). Is it possible that Pavel Skoropadsky, having thrown off the Central Council, simply turned the flag over to symbolically mark a coup? Anyway, but at the peasant congress, Skoropadsky presented an inverted flag and explained: blue is sky and yellow is fields of wheat.

Ukrainian Cossacks used different banners, although by the middle of the 17th century the main banner was red with the image of Michael the Archangel. The Great Banner (banner) of the Sich was described as follows: on one side, on the red background, the Archangel Michael, on the other — the white cross, the golden sun, the crescent and the stars.

Even the Communists, when the former flag was banned during the formation of the “new Ukraine,” proposed to make the flag of the country crimson Zaporozhye Cossacks with a white Orthodox cross.

But is it possible to make a red banner, even if it was used by Zaporizhzhya Cossacks! No and no again! Only a banner from the Galician nationals ... oh, the Ukrainians! Only from the empress and the hetman. In vain, that his "Ukraine" lasted quite a while.
Follow on ...

Coat of arms

Sorry, but we do not have it!


Those. there is a “small State Emblem of Ukraine” - a golden trident on a blue background.
The trident belongs to the most ancient sacred signs. The image of a trident on the territory of Ukraine was found on the monuments of Tripoli culture (about 6 thousand years ago). The ancient gods were depicted with a trident. He crowned the rods of the Scythian kings. In Kievan Rus the trident spread from the 10th century. as a sign of the grand duke. Have you noticed that the word trident contains the number three? This number was considered magical. Recall that in folk tales it is told about three heroes, three desires and three tasks that the hero must fulfill, about three roads and so on. The trident can be drawn in such a way that it will be an interlacing of the letters cherished for each Ukrainian word "will" ...

All this is very nice, but the Great Emblem of the State is absent, although competitions for creating a sketch and further incarnation of the country's coat of arms were held more than once.
And why then be offended if Ukraine is called "under-state"? Well, what is this state where even all the characters are missing?

Anthem made politically correct

The basis of the national anthem to the music of Mikhail Verbitsky is the text of Pavel Chubinsky’s poem “Ukraine Has Not Already Dead”, written as early as 1862. Although the author himself at that time honestly said that this was a free translation of the Polish insurgents' song “I didn’t play Polish either.” In the new version of the work, only the first verse and chorus of the song remained.

Ukraine has not yet died glory, and will.
Here we are, brother Ukraine, to decrease the share.
Zinnut our vorozhenki, yak dew on sontsі,
Zapanuyem i my, brattya, u svoii storontsi.

Dushu i tilo my polozhym za nashu svobodu,
I pokazhem, shcho my, brattya, kozatskoho rodu!

The fact is that in the original were not quite politically correct words. In particular, "Let's become brothers in the bloody battle from Xiang to Don." Here, vigilant diplomats saw an encroachment on the lands of Russia and Poland. After all, the Don is a river in the European part of Russia, and the Xiang is a river in Eastern Poland.

But although the anthem is very short, but only the choir of them knows and sings it, probably. G. Rope. According to the “position” it is supposed to execute it before each BP meeting. No, some deputies also know, but the whole nation ... except the first two lines. Then he simply punches the chi-chi, because he immediately asks: “Ukraine has not yet died, but it’s still alive.” Yes, and the melody itself is more like a funeral, mournful march, than the solemn main song of the State.

It always amazed me, well, why not take a vigorous, perky march of Zaporizhzhya Cossacks for the country, which rattles in the final gopak of the Virsky ensemble, and always enjoys great success.

Gay, pour some chari,
Schob through the Vinitsya lilosya.
Schob our share of us did not cringe, |
Schob krashte in their living. | (2)

Vdarmo on the ground dashing-jouri
Schob became all cheerful!
Vip'єm for Happiness, Vip'єm for share, |
Vip'єm for all that nice.

Yes, with such a hymn, we would immediately be reunited with all the fraternal Slavic republics !!!!

Special attention should be paid to the Sign of the President

Sign (Colar) of the President - necklace, like a female. Such a badge of distinction is a symbol of power among the rulers of Poland, the Czech Republic, Bulgaria, Russia, and Moldova. It is believed that The openwork chain of Kolar with an amulet of our President belonged to Hetman Ivan Mazepa. Seven handmade medallions are also attached to this chain. The medallions depict two tridents: golden princely and trident Vladimir the Baptist. And - coats of arms of the Galicia-Volyn principality (it included Ukrainian lands), Grand Duchy of Lithuania (in its time, the principality owned part of the territory of modern Ukraine), Ukrainian People's Republic (the symbol of the first attempt to form an independent Ukraine in the 20th century) and coat of arms of Bohdan Khmelnytsky. The symbol of the Ukrainian Cossack state (“Cossack with a musket”) deserves special attention.

And that's it! There is no trace of a flourishing USSR. Erase it from memory! Failure! All our presidents.

Well, how can a country develop with such symbols? How can people feel under such oppression? What kind of youth can resist such influence?

Banner - from the Hetman Skoropadsky and the Austro-Hungarian Empire
Anthem - as a funeral march
Coat of arms - hmm, absent.
But on the Sign of the President - amulet from the very traitor Mazepa!

And, all the same, the Eternal Fires are still burning on the graves of our soldiers! Not all streets have been renamed! And the memory of the people is not so easy to erase. Past anti-fascist marches confirm this! And although the march was really organized in Kiev by the Party of Regions, in the cities these marches did not go entirely under the slogans that our “elite” would like to see. Few people went with a poster "To Europe without fascists." But "Fascism will not work!", Red banners, portraits of I.V. Stalin - were.
And the power was scared! That same evening, the blessing was “The Day of Remembrance of Political Repressions” on TV remembered everything — the poor Tatars, who were evicted for the 2 of the day, and the poor Greeks, Germans, Poles, who were also brutally removed inland, and even new graves (! ) in the Donbass region, in the mines - well, of course, the damned Stalinist Enkavedists shot the Ukrainian workers and peasants. (And it is the Ukrainians) ....

I have not heard such frantic lies yet. But it, nevertheless, pleases. If the power was frightened by the speeches of its people, then all is not lost. And the people began to regain consciousness after being “hit with a baton on the head”.

If you are not tired yet, I want to draw your attention to the symbols of our “sworn friend” - the USA. We often wonder: “How Americans do not understand what their country is doing!” But nothing surprising! Look at their symbol, at least for the Big Seal.

Its central element is used as the coat of arms of the United States. Unlike the emblems of other countries, the seal of the United States has two sides. On the front side there is a bald eagle, which holds in one paw an arrow (a symbol of war), and in the other an olive branch (a symbol of peace). On the other side of the print, an unfinished pyramid is depicted above which the “all-seeing eye” is located in the triangle.

So the Americans think that only through war can they bring peace and prosperity.

State symbols are valid! Oh, how to act!

CONCLUSION: If we really want to achieve development, prosperity, and the power of our countries, we need to unite and put our symbols in order. Find the harmony that can show the world all the best that was in the past! Just keeping the real, not a fictional story! And this should be done only in popular opinion.

Information sources:
http://dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/ogegova/219254
http://ru.wikipedia.org
http://president.gov.by/press10664.html
http://odessa-life.od.ua/article/2912-chto-oznachayut-simvoly-ukrainy
http://uargument.com.ua/politika/perevernut-flag/

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  1. politruk419
    politruk419 21 May 2013 07: 45 New
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    And finally, Ukraine!
    (My ongoing pain!)

    What is there to add?
    1. Atlon
      Atlon 21 May 2013 09: 20 New
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      The author writes everything correctly, except for one. I would not trust the questions of heraldry to the people. This is a very subtle thing, not suitable for a popular choice. But he would not trust deputies. We have wonderful historians, heraldists who, to the finer points, know the meaning of a particular symbol and their totality. So they need to entrust this business.
      1. Alexander
        Alexander 21 May 2013 10: 16 New
        10
        The article is very interesting. But ... As for the "Imperial Symbols", I have a different opinion. For me, they are associated with the freedom of our, Russian, people from the oppression of the Tatar-Mongols from the East (the right head of an eagle) and the Teutons, Poles and other evil spirits from the west (left head, respectively).
        1. yak69
          yak69 21 May 2013 22: 05 New
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          Quote: Alexander
          from the yoke of the Tatar-Mongols from the East (the right head of an eagle) and the Teutons, Poles and other evil spirits from the west (left head, respectively).

          There is no such creature in nature - a two-headed eagle! This is some kind of monster or the result of atomic bombing (God forbid!).
          For Russia, a coat of arms was created that best reflects the essence of the country and the aspirations of the people — the coat of arms of the USSR. Everything in this emblem is deeply thought out. It was created by very intelligent people with serious esoteric knowledge. No need to reinvent the wheel, it is necessary to return not only the Coat of Arms of the USSR, but also the Soviet state system (with reasonable corrections and additions).
          And there is nothing to argue here, everything is very clear and understandable - the capitalist caftan of Russia does not fit! And who wants “freedom and shit democracy” let them go to the prosperous West and not dictate how we live here and what to do.
      2. Egoza
        21 May 2013 10: 45 New
        +3
        Quote: Atlon
        We have wonderful historians, heraldists who, to the finer points, know the meaning of this or that symbol and their combination.

        Agree. But the people could express their opinion that he would like to see on the coat of arms of his country. For example, "if there was a coat of arms of the USSR, only the names of fraternal republics need to be replaced by subjects of the Russian Federation" fellow In the end, just to note, we would like to see a double-headed eagle, or combine some symbols - George the Victorious and the Red Banner ... And let the experts think there. The main thing is that everyone can explain and support the morally given coat of arms. IMHO, of course.
        1. RUS
          RUS 21 May 2013 11: 48 New
          +1
          I propose to combine everything in the coat of arms that would suit everyone and the Communists and Democrats, nationalists and monarchists, fool Yegoza-I correctly caught hot of your thoughts?
          1. lelikas
            lelikas 21 May 2013 11: 52 New
            +8
            Quote: RUS
            would suit everyone and the communists and democrats

            How can I imagine an eagle holding a hammer and sickle;)
            1. Belogor
              Belogor 21 May 2013 12: 24 New
              +8
              Meanwhile, there is just such a coat of arms, an eagle with a sickle and a hammer in its paws. This is the coat of arms of Austria.
              1. Check
                Check 21 May 2013 13: 31 New
                +6
                though he is somehow aggressive)
            2. Alexander-Tomsk
              Alexander-Tomsk 21 May 2013 14: 05 New
              -6
              With a hammer on the head, a sickle on ... It’s dangerous in general, you’ll take the baton from the Americans, we’ll start wars if we follow the author’s logic. smile
              In general, the article pleased (as much as minus slapped), nostalgia for the USSR and its state is clearly visible. characters. Wake up already 20 years have passed, the young generation (I speak as its representative), although it respects the Soviet flag (Victory Flag), but our imperial with an eagle will not want to change anything. If the author does not correspond to something there, this is his problem.
              1. Alexander Petrovich
                Alexander Petrovich 22 May 2013 22: 13 New
                -2
                However, you are not the best representative)
            3. Egoza
              21 May 2013 16: 04 New
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              Quote: lelikas
              How can I imagine an eagle holding a hammer and sickle

              Until 1917, sickle in Russian city heraldry was found in the arms of the following cities: Krasnoyarsk and Kolyvan (Siberia), Voznesensk, Alexandria, Uman (Ukraine), Lida (Belarus), Shchigry, Serpeisk (Central Russia), Zakatal (Azerbaijan), Kamyshlova ( Ural), that is, in almost all regions of the country. in Swiss and Austrian heraldry, the sickle in the hands of a peasant was considered the emblem of his economic independence and freedom.
              1. kush62
                kush62 21 May 2013 16: 28 New
                +1
                Coat of arms of Krasnoyarsk and now with a sickle. The golden lion holds a shovel in his right hand and a sickle in his left.
              2. Raiven
                Raiven 21 May 2013 16: 55 New
                +1
                I'm from Lida wink but our coat of arms is not so
            4. Andrew-001
              Andrew-001 21 May 2013 18: 35 New
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              Maybe this will do lol
              1. Egoza
                21 May 2013 18: 41 New
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                Quote: Andrew-001
                Maybe this will do

                I'm two-handed "FOR"! great option!
          2. Egoza
            21 May 2013 12: 11 New
            +2
            Quote: RUS
            Yegoza-I correctly caught hot of your thoughts?

            No! Symbols should be created by professionals, but taking into account the opinion of the majority of the people, regardless of their involvement in parties. And, most importantly, that these symbols are in harmony with each other.
            1. evfrat
              evfrat 21 May 2013 22: 19 New
              +1
              Do you even know whose symbols the Bolsheviks took? Whose symbol is a five-pointed star, a sickle and a hammer? And here is the whole globe with the coat of arms of the USSR? Are you going to bear the next nonsense to the “oppressed” peoples of the world at the same time in harmony with the nationalists and liberals? Ears of wheat in a country with ruined agriculture and an extinct village will generally look cool. And the leg, which the eagle once turned into, kills completely with its open claws and baldness on the heads instead of crowns. Overheated in the heat?
          3. Atlon
            Atlon 21 May 2013 12: 38 New
            +3
            Quote: RUS
            I propose to combine everything in the coat of arms that would suit everyone and the Communists and Democrats, nationalists and monarchists,

            Now it is ... For the Communists, a hymn, for the Democrats a flag, for monarchists a coat of arms. That's just right, the author says, this is not entirely true. Changing characters is not scary if the country is changing. The main thing is to prevent porridge, both yours and ours. Need to identify what's next? Where we are going? but it turns out: "Once a swan, pike with cancer ..." (C)
            1. Egoza
              21 May 2013 16: 05 New
              +1
              Quote: Atlon
              For the Communists, a hymn, for Democrats a flag, for monarchists a coat of arms.

              Have non-partisans remained in Russia? Im what? laughing
      3. German
        German 21 May 2013 13: 04 New
        +2
        yeah! charged already in the early 90's!
    2. Joker
      Joker 21 May 2013 14: 20 New
      +7
      And I like this more.
      1. Danafxnumx
        Danafxnumx 21 May 2013 17: 36 New
        +2
        will not pass ...
        because black and yellow colors resemble the colors of Germany ...

        although yes, this is our historical flag ...
        1. aviamed90
          aviamed90 21 May 2013 19: 18 New
          0
          These are the coat of arms of the Romanov dynasty.
  2. Humpty
    Humpty 21 May 2013 08: 03 New
    17
    But not an eagle, not a lion, not a lioness ...
    We have one of the most important symbols of the state - the chimney of a yurt in the sun. That's where the real secret is.
    1. Hleb
      Hleb 21 May 2013 08: 16 New
      +7
      That's where the real secret is

      Yes, there are questions)
    2. Rustiger
      Rustiger 21 May 2013 09: 18 New
      +7
      Quote: Humpty
      We have one of the most important symbols of the state - the chimney of a yurt in the sun. That's where the real secret is.

      As once said my youngest with childish spontaneity "Looks like a ball... Shaggy..." hi laughing
    3. Scoun
      Scoun 21 May 2013 10: 47 New
      +6
      Quote: Humpty
      chimney of a yurt in the sun

      Quote: Humpty
      That's where the real secret is.

      I’ll add a little more to you ... the sun has forty rays ... which symbolize the forty genera of the Kyrgyz. )))
      Anthropological studies have shown that greedy mixed with people of Aryan descent.
      Aristov and others believed that greedy mixed e dinlinami, and that the confusion itself occurred somewhere near the Altai mountains. Above, we saw that the subgenus of greedy for centuries lived side by side with the Russians, had cities and lived settled. We believe that the mixing of the Alchyn was not with the Dinlin, but with Russians in the southern Russian steppes.

      http://www.history.kz/Articles/little.php

      so stumbled today .. read .. about dinlinov very interesting.

      http://www.zonakz.net/blogs/user/flotilija_svobody/11450.html
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  3. Pinochet000
    Pinochet000 21 May 2013 08: 29 New
    +8
    Quote: Humpty
    That's where the real secret is.

    By the way, the yellow (golden) sun on a red (crimson) shield immediately pops up in memory if we are talking about ancient Russia (at least for me).
  4. paunch
    paunch 21 May 2013 08: 29 New
    +2
    Author. Ukraine doesn’t seem to have a trident, but a diving “sokil”. Or am I wrong?
    1. Captain Vrungel
      Captain Vrungel 21 May 2013 09: 11 New
      15
      Fundamentally wrong. The diving falcon of the Ruriks. We have a diving will. Sperley, of course, was renamed the trident. Favorite fairy-tale characters. Everywhere three. For three they compose.
      Large coat of arms. And why is it needed. We stand at a crossroads. Either lie down to the west, or surrender to the east, after all, an independent and independent people from the state. Where will the next Mazepa lead us?
      1. alebor
        alebor 21 May 2013 11: 22 New
        +2
        About the falcon is a beautiful late legend. Indeed, the Rurikovich had symbols in the form of tridents and two-prongs of very different shapes and shapes, and not all of them resemble falcons (especially two-prongs). By the way, they can hardly be called emblems, because they were not inherited. One of these symbols was made the emblem of Ukraine, and it turned out that if you have a developed imagination, you can see something like a falcon in it, they declared the "trident" a falcon as a more beautiful option.
        By the way, another curious coincidence, the Caribbean state of Barbados has an almost Ukrainian flag: a trident on a yellow-blue background.
        1. tan0472
          tan0472 21 May 2013 11: 42 New
          +2
          Quote: alebor
          About the falcon is a beautiful late legend. Indeed, the Rurikovich had symbols in the form of tridents and two-prongs of very different shapes and shapes, and not all of them resemble falcons (especially two-prongs).

          But doesn’t rurik mean falcon?
          1. heathen
            heathen 21 May 2013 13: 03 New
            +8
            The Rurikovich had a coat of arms - a falcon (looking like a two-pronged). But Ukraine’s coat of arms was inherited from Vladimir. And in this coat of arms, to him, as an illegitimate one from Malki's key keeper, a key was added in the middle.
            1. stolbovsn
              stolbovsn 21 May 2013 17: 59 New
              +5
              And the root is the right coat of arms - the falcon.
              Falcon is a totem bird of the Slavs.
              Chipped - tribes in the time of Herodotus living in the territory of modern Ukraine and Belarus.
              (but really - falconer - at the same time, it must be taken into account that in the ancient Greek language in which it was written vowels were not displayed and were silent, and therefore the real sound of this word is distorted in translations of historical records of Herodotus)
              1. heathen
                heathen 24 May 2013 15: 15 New
                0
                Maybe. Especially if you recall that the Arab authors called the Slavs "al-Sakaliba"
    2. Hudo
      Hudo 21 May 2013 09: 17 New
      10
      Quote: paunch
      Author. Ukraine doesn’t seem to have a trident, but a diving “sokil”. Or am I wrong?

      For more than 20 years, as this mind-moving “sokil” has not left the uncontrolled dive.
      1. Atlon
        Atlon 21 May 2013 09: 24 New
        +3
        Quote: Hudo
        For more than 20 years, as this mind-moving “sokil”

        But what for "sokil" ?! You look carefully! What a falling pin with monograms ...
        1. Val_y
          Val_y 21 May 2013 13: 32 New
          +4
          No, this is a fork with a crossed bottle (fat with moonshine) drinks laughing
    3. Alexander-Tomsk
      Alexander-Tomsk 21 May 2013 14: 08 New
      +6
      The answer to this question is known only to ancient ukry; modern science cannot answer this. laughing
      You can order a study on this topic by British scientists, they like to investigate any garbage, you look what grant they will receive.
  5. waisson
    waisson 21 May 2013 08: 52 New
    +1
    At a certain time, the trident can turn into an attacking falcon
    1. paunch
      paunch 21 May 2013 08: 59 New
      0
      so initially what was? Falcon or just a trident?
      1. Avenger711
        Avenger711 21 May 2013 09: 23 New
        12
        Initially, there was a Little Russian province, where they did not hear about the Ukrainians. And 1000 years before that, Kievan Rus.
  6. Shumer
    Shumer 21 May 2013 09: 13 New
    +8
    Well, the author is right, we have some kind of melancholy anthem, many talk about it, and singing it correctly is problematic - who doesn’t have a musical ear turns out to be a requiem.
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 21 May 2013 09: 20 New
      20
      Quote: Shumer
      Well, the author is right, we have some kind of melancholy anthem, many talk about it, and singing it correctly is problematic - who doesn’t have a musical ear turns out to be a requiem.


      Recently, it became known from the records of the WikiLeaks website that the American ambassador to Ukraine John Tefft disrespectfully expressed his attitude to the Ukrainian anthem in reporting to the US Secretary of State: “It was especially impossible to listen to their anthem. It’s like some kind of torture! They are tightened in chorus: “Now, Ukraine isn’t out of the blue ...”. It seems that you are buried alive. There is a kind of depressing, heartbreaking longing that sometimes it seems that flies die from this howl in the vicinity. To listen to this howl is so unbearable that at times it seemed - it would be easier to die. ”
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 21 May 2013 10: 17 New
        +8
        Quote: Hudo
        “It was especially impossible to listen to their hymn. It’s like some kind of torture! They are tightened in chorus: “Now, Ukraine isn’t out of the blue ...”. It seems that you are buried alive. There is a kind of depressing, heartbreaking longing that sometimes it seems that flies die from this howl in the vicinity. To listen to this howl is so unbearable that at times it seemed - it would be easier to die. ”

        With respect to WikiLix, but this letter, even in a free translation, is stylistically unusual for the English language and Americans in particular. So vividly you can write only in Russian and Russian. wink
        1. Shumer
          Shumer 21 May 2013 14: 38 New
          +5
          I agree with you that the translation is too strange - either written in Russian, or the translator took the liberty of speaking out from the heart.
    2. huut
      huut 21 May 2013 15: 53 New
      +2
      From the submission of the article I listened to the Zaporizhzhya March - well, a masterpiece! Cheerfully, fun, fervently, with the delete! And the musical construction is interesting, not monotonous. Even saved a couple of versions on the computer, sometimes hear.

      Let's take it to ourselves, to Russia, eh?) We’ll warm it up, play, they don’t need it anyway, but such a gorgeous thing) Ours is too heavy and clumsy. Oh, purely a bear and the truth ... And that cheerful, young)
      Oh, okay, the taste is musical ...

      Yes, with such a march, it is truly believed that everything will turn out ...
      1. Danafxnumx
        Danafxnumx 21 May 2013 17: 41 New
        +4
        we have sovereign, not dancing in the village
      2. Horde
        Horde 21 May 2013 18: 07 New
        10
        Zaporizhzhya March !!! Great, with such marches, only to win!
        1. Captain Vrungel
          Captain Vrungel 21 May 2013 18: 43 New
          +3
          Yes, the Horde! From such a march, the shoulders straighten, the muscles build up, shoulder to shoulder and chest will tear down any obstacle.
          1. Horde
            Horde 21 May 2013 19: 02 New
            +2
            Quote: Captain Vrungel
            Yes, the Horde! From such a march, the shoulders straighten, the muscles build up, shoulder to shoulder and chest will tear down any obstacle.


            that's why the march causes such a surge of strength and feelings and it will never be a hymn to our states. Thank you very much for reminding us that we have such a strong incentive.
            pay attention to the Cossacks go with banners on which crosses and crescents, traditional history is unlikely to be able to clearly explain where the Orthodox army comes from Islamic symbolism? I will explain briefly - Crescent IMPERIAL SYMBOL, Cossacks - IMPERIAL TROOPS.
            1. Captain Vrungel
              Captain Vrungel 21 May 2013 20: 42 New
              +1
              Excellent material was prepared by Egoza. Thank you very much Elena for your work.
      3. aviamed90
        aviamed90 21 May 2013 22: 27 New
        +2
        In fact, after the well-known events, the Zaporozhye Cossacks settled in Russia. The Kuban army was created by them.
    3. Apollo
      Apollo 21 May 2013 19: 41 New
      +2
      Quote: Shumer
      Well, the author is right, we have some kind of melancholy anthem, many talk about it, and singing it correctly is problematic - who doesn’t have a musical ear turns out to be a requiem.




      did not notice anything problematic.
      1. MG42
        MG42 21 May 2013 20: 15 New
        +6
        Quote: Apollon
        did not notice anything problematic.

        This performance is an unofficial singer singer Ponomarev must be listened to by the choir. Ropes then, they in the Rada sing at all the opening sessions ...
        there by the way there are differences in words ...
        <we have the brother of Ukrainians> here, and in another version <we have the brothers of youth> (of)
        Ponomarev now doesn’t particularly flash on TV, he was respected by Yushchenko.
        This artist >>> also he had a company that did full dubbing, even grew. films, for example, 2 actors voice acting in Ukrainian laughing Now they’re not even going beyond the credits.
        1. MG42
          MG42 21 May 2013 20: 36 New
          +4
          I’d better listen once more Union indestructible, as a balm for the soul ..
          Union of the indestructible republics free
          Great Russia forever.
          Long live the people's will
          A single, mighty Soviet Union!
      2. Kaa
        Kaa 21 May 2013 21: 18 New
        +4
        Quote: Apollon
        , we have some kind of sad anthem

        Quote: MG42
        This execution is unofficial.

        The official performance ... ironic: "Has Ukraine not died yet? Neither glory, nor will? belay Shche, we brothers, Ukrainians, share a share of your charm! lol How and when - not explained request So everyone thinks ... in his own way winked
        1. MG42
          MG42 21 May 2013 21: 31 New
          +5
          Quote: Kaa
          Why didn’t Ukraine die?

          Greetings, Kaa! hi Here the principle works <what do you call a yacht so it will sail.> Anthem of Ukrainian. = this is <bad karma> with verbs in the future tense and such a first line ... crying
          1. MG42
            MG42 22 May 2013 13: 30 New
            +1
            Yes, someone specifically does not like the lines from the anthem of the USSR lol ... Kaa, so I reflected on this topic, >>> it is possible if the first line of Ukrainian. the anthem was not <not yet dead Ukraine>, but, let’s say, "If you live Ukraine> or there <Good life in <in> Ukraine?> what do you think? when you listen to this dreary work, the song <black raven> is remembered ...
            1. MG42
              MG42 22 May 2013 15: 10 New
              +2
              The official original text of the anthem of Ukraine

              “Now Ukraine has not died and glory, and will,

              Shche nam, brattya molodiyi, usmikhnetsya dolya.

              Zinnut our vorozhenki, yak dew on sontsi.

              Zapanuyem i my, brattya, u svoii storontsi.

              Chorus:

              Dushu i tilo my polozhym za nashu svobodu,

              "We will show, by our means, brother, Cossack family."

              === Fiction translation into Russian ===

              Ukraine is still alive and glory, and the will,

              Still, young brothers, the proportion smiles.

              Our misfortunes will disappear, like frost in the sun.

              Let us live in happiness in the new Ukraine!

              Chorus:

              Soul and body we will lay for our freedom

              And we show that we, brothers, are Cossack family.
              http://gimn.kuda.ua/813
              In principle, the 2nd option is thin. the translation sounds preferable, if you remove the verbs in the future tense, then brighten up the picture ...
  7. Avenger711
    Avenger711 21 May 2013 09: 22 New
    +4
    Shche did not die Ukraine


    Well, from zheks and taken. "Poland has not died yet ..." and then a bunch of pathological nonsense.
    http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Гимн_Польши
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 21 May 2013 09: 25 New
      19
      Quote: Avenger711
      Shche did not die Ukraine


      Well, from zheks and taken. "Poland has not died yet ..." and then a bunch of pathological nonsense.
      http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Гимн_Польши


      Programmed defeat
      Imagine a bank with the motto phrase: “We are not bankrupt yet!” - what awaits it? That's right - bankruptcy, because no one in their right mind will bear the money in such a bank.

      Imagine a state that has the phrase: “We have not died yet!” ...

      "Ukraine has not yet died"
      "Even Poland has not disappeared"
      Two fruits of one despair. Despair, when the heart is already confident in defeat, but the mind cannot agree with this ..., or vice versa.

      Subconscious confidence in defeat generates hopelessly storing exclamations-spells, and they, in turn, verbally postulate a hopeless situation
      1. Curculum
        Curculum 21 May 2013 09: 36 New
        +4
        Quote: Hudo
        Subconscious confidence in defeat generates hopelessly storing exclamations-spells, and they, in turn, verbally postulate a hopeless situation

        + You, frankly, are a giant of phraseological units!
      2. MG42
        MG42 21 May 2013 18: 00 New
        +6
        Quote: Hudo
        Subconscious confidence in defeat generates hopelessly storing exclamations-spells, and they, in turn, verbally postulate a hopeless situation

        In Ukrainian the anthem is full of verbs in the future tense, we shall bend to rot, show, etc. >>> hope and wait-all the life ahead, dreaming is not harmful, but not harmful to dream.
  8. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 21 May 2013 09: 23 New
    +8
    The Soviet flag is better than all three taken together, I’m not a communist or even a socialist, it’s so simple in appearance, everything seems simple, but with taste. Why was it asked to change the flag? Let Ukraine and Belarus choose whatever their business is for themselves, but why should we? To amuse yourself with imperial pride? But it seems sorry for masturbation.
    1. RUS
      RUS 21 May 2013 11: 43 New
      -11
      You speak about the state flag as about clothes - “simply and with taste”, do you appreciate all the symbolism? The return of the original symbols of Russia is historical justice, but the replacement of them with Soviet symbols in the 17th is the masturbation of the young Soviet government.
      1. Standard Oil
        Standard Oil 21 May 2013 13: 16 New
        +6
        Lord, if you are, save Russia from idiots.
        1. Joker
          Joker 21 May 2013 14: 12 New
          +7
          Boris, you have a nickname and an interesting picture. laughing Like the Rockefellers?
          1. Standard Oil
            Standard Oil 21 May 2013 17: 10 New
            0
            D. Ergin’s book “Production, the world’s history of the struggle for oil” somehow caught my eye. It describes in quite a bit the history of the oil industry from its inception to the present day, and as it turned out almost from the very beginning, it was closely intertwined with politics, In particular, the story of Standard Oil and Rockefeller as its founder was also told, of course, as D.A. Medvedev said, it’s not a ruble to please everyone, but it deserves some respect. Well, as for me, in the same America, there’s a lot need to learn one it is not necessary to bring to the point of absurdity in the 90 EA book by the way is very interesting advice.
            1. Atlon
              Atlon 21 May 2013 18: 45 New
              +2
              Quote: Standard Oil
              Standard Oil and Rockefeller as its founder, of course, as D.A. Medvedev said, it’s not the ruble to please everyone, but it deserves some respect

              This is masturbation! With your logic, you can swastika on an avatar ... and Hitler deserves "some respect" as a historical character and undoubtedly a strong personality, isn’t that?
              1. Standard Oil
                Standard Oil 21 May 2013 21: 40 New
                -1
                Well, Rockefeller has already been equated with Hitler. Notice that about Hitler this is your statement, and guessing what I had in mind before the second coming, they say you can also mean Hitler, can Gandhi or you can also Vasya the locksmith from the next entrance, he is also a strong personality . As for Hitler, I’ll say right away that I relate exclusively negatively to this historical character.
                1. Atlon
                  Atlon 22 May 2013 10: 31 New
                  0
                  Quote: Standard Oil
                  Well, Rockefeller has been equated to Hitler.

                  They have a significant difference ... Hitler destroyed Jews who were not his compatriots, not co-religionists, not consanguineous. Rockefeller also destroyed the Jews ... True, indirectly, by the hands of Hitler ... So who is the biggest monster?

                  Quote: Standard Oil
                  As for Hitler, I’ll say right away that I relate exclusively negatively to this historical character.

                  So do I. However, mediocrity and a former corporal are unlikely to be able to become the "father of the nation." However, there are other opinions ... In particular, it was precisely the Jews (the richest Jews) who led Hitler to power, and among them (not last) your beloved Rockefeller! So don’t worry ... But Hitler is either an outstanding personality or a Jewish project. I am inclined to the second. And the fact that he is a negative character does not detract from his "greatness." Satan is also a negative character, but also a great one, no doubt!
                  1. Standard Oil
                    Standard Oil 22 May 2013 10: 37 New
                    0
                    The conversation is futile because it is unproven, you claim that the Jews and Rockefeller brought Hitler to power, and prove it. But I’ll tell you that the aliens brought Hitler to power, prove that it’s not so.
  9. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 21 May 2013 09: 42 New
    10
    The symbolism of the USSR is closer to me. Although we were forced into the army to teach the Russian national anthem, I still do not remember its text and sing only the USSR national anthem. And about the anthem of the Russian Federation I heard the opinion: "They took the anthem of the USSR, removed Lenin and the party from there, replacing with something incomprehensible - and singing"
    1. Atlon
      Atlon 21 May 2013 19: 22 New
      +2
      Quote: stock buildbat
      Although we were forced to study the Russian national anthem in the army

      And I know the anthem and I REMEMBER from school. Class from the third. FIRST text learned and sung in singing lessons. By the way, I see nothing wrong with that! And about the "forced" ... If a person lacks the mind to understand that he SHOULD know the anthem of his country, then it is not a sin to force! The main army principle: "You can’t - teach! Do not want - we will force!"
  10. Nomad
    Nomad 21 May 2013 10: 40 New
    10
    “Now, Ukraine isn’t free ...”.
    By the way, in the psychology of affirmation (i.e., positive attitudes for auto-suggestion), in no case should they contain negation. For example, "I am healthy" and not "I am not sick." So I have not died yet - this is an example of unsuccessful, incorrect affirmation.
    1. Atlon
      Atlon 21 May 2013 19: 23 New
      +1
      Quote: Nomad
      This is an example of unsuccessful, incorrect affirmation.

      Absolutely right! In addition, all installations should be in the PRESENT time, and not in the past or in the future!
  11. Scoun
    Scoun 21 May 2013 10: 44 New
    +2
    The Russian Empire is about to enslave everyone again!

    Let this emblem be beautiful, but it DOES NOT correspond to the aspirations of Russia and the people! IMHO.

    Russia is our sacred state
    Russia is our favorite country.
    Mighty will great glory
    Your heritage for all time!
    Be glorious, our free Fatherland,
    The brotherly peoples of the union age-old,

    It seems to me that it is quite consistent, and Belarus and Ukraine are painfully close Brothers.
    Kievan Rus.
    1. Egoza
      21 May 2013 10: 50 New
      +5
      Quote: Scoun
      It seems to me that it is quite consistent, and Belarus and Ukraine are painfully close Brothers.

      So that's the point. The anthem is wonderful! Really “corresponds”, but the imperial double-headed eagle with such a hymn ... somehow not very, in my opinion.
      1. alebor
        alebor 21 May 2013 11: 26 New
        11
        It is very disappointing that the efforts of Russophobia removed from this wonderful anthem a mention of Great Russia - the words that were at the beginning of the previous, Soviet anthem.
      2. RUS
        RUS 21 May 2013 11: 39 New
        -3
        Fidget do not touch our great historical emblem!
        1. Egoza
          21 May 2013 12: 14 New
          +9
          Quote: RUS
          DO NOT TOUCH OUR Great Historical Coat of Arms!

          I do not touch1 I consider everything and express my personal opinion. Other forum users, I hope they will express it too. wink
      3. Scoun
        Scoun 21 May 2013 15: 31 New
        +2
        Quote: Egoza
        imperial double-headed eagle with such a hymn ... somehow not very

        repeat as it’s not very, this is this coat of arms, but on coins where the Bank of the Russian Federation is there)))
        1. Scoun
          Scoun 21 May 2013 15: 35 New
          +3
          On the coin above, the Bank of Russia and the coat of arms, if I’m not mistaken, is a “Kerenka” from the interim government, but this one is the Russian Federation. So really .. symbols are symbols .. and Central Bank + Kerenka ... symptomatic.
        2. RUS
          RUS 21 May 2013 16: 46 New
          +2
          On coins, double-headed eagles are the emblem of the Bank of Russia, and not the “kerenka,” and certainly not the modern state emblem.
    2. Apollo
      Apollo 21 May 2013 19: 44 New
      +4
      Quote: Scoun
      It seems to me quite consistent, and Belarus


      anthem of Belarus

  12. Egoza
    21 May 2013 11: 01 New
    +9
    I would like to add the following. In the USA, such an exercise is being introduced from kindergarten: children draw "their personal emblem and flag", i.e. that which represents their essence, the most precious to them, etc. Naturally, the kids draw a family, a dog, a car, well, who appreciates something. BUT then all their drawings are placed on the wall under the huge US flag. "Here are the children! Each with his small flags is under the protection of our large flag. The flag of our country!" So then the grown children tend to drive all the "little ones" under the flag of their country and sincerely do not understand why someone is resisting. After all, their flag “protects” everyone. Further, in almost every class in the school this flag stands and the class day begins with the singing of a hymn. (We also tried to do something like this, but you must admit that it’s one thing when the whole school is in the yard, and who sings the anthem, who doesn’t. And the other thing when singing in the classroom) And everyone will explain to you, what stripes and stars mean.
    But that’s what the Americans don’t take into account - the stars are far from the Earth, because the Americans, as it were, are not from this world, and they don’t understand what the people of the Earth really want. And they forget that the stars can also go out (or they can be put out) lol
    1. Skavron
      Skavron 21 May 2013 11: 33 New
      +1
      But the idea is essentially good.
      I wonder which of today's students know the words of the anthem of their country?
      I still remember the anthem of the USSR, because sang constantly in schools.
      and about the anthem of Ukraine ... yes ... insanity is here.
      but I like the coat of arms, simply and tastefully. Nothing extra.
      but to someone he’s “skittles” (
    2. RUS
      RUS 21 May 2013 11: 35 New
      +5
      We have a double-headed eagle since the time of the Moscow Principality, and what does the Empire have to do with it? This is our historical emblem which is not one hundred years old.
      1. politruk419
        politruk419 21 May 2013 15: 06 New
        +5
        The double-headed Eagle on the coat of arms of Russia (Russia) was given to us by Sophia Paleolog, the wife of Vladimir Monomakh. (If I was not mistaken) And he is very logical in the sense of the continuity of the state-historical heritage of Moscow from Constantinople.
        1. aviamed90
          aviamed90 21 May 2013 19: 30 New
          0
          politruk419

          The double-headed eagle was also present on the coins of the Golden Horde. So what?
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          2. politruk419
            politruk419 23 May 2013 02: 12 New
            0
            Quote: aviamed90
            The double-headed eagle was also present on the coins of the Golden Horde. So what?

            And nothing. And nothing that the Grand Duchy of Moscow (and not it alone) was part of the Golden Horde? What's the catch?
    3. igordok
      igordok 21 May 2013 18: 09 New
      +1
      Question to the Ukrainians and especially Egoze. How true is the idea of ​​the appearance of a black-yellow flag in the war with Sweden 1700-1721. Say Mazepa requested the right to use the pennant of the Swedish cavalry (blue-yellow) for his Cossacks.
      1. Egoza
        21 May 2013 18: 48 New
        +5
        Quote: igordok
        Say Mazepa requested the right to use the pennant of the Swedish cavalry (blue-yellow) for his Cossacks.

        No. These are just rumors. It may have been used in battle, but when the Swedes fled, their nationally irresponsible people tore their flags into foot wraps.
        The “mother” of our flag was the Austrian Empress Sofia.
        "After Galicia was distinguished by her unprecedented loyalty to the crown during the revolutionary events that shook the Austrian empire, the" Head Rus Rada "appealed to the sovereign with a request to affirm the national flag of the provincial population." Note! Ruska is glad! Then there was no such nationality "Ukrainian"
        1. LINX
          LINX 22 May 2013 00: 45 New
          0
          Fidget, what nonsense, such blunders due to poverty of mind or just trolling?
          Blue-yellow colors in Ukraine have been present since Kievan Rus.
          Look at the Cossack banners of the 15-16 centuries - half of them are yellow-blue in different variations, the rest are red-raspberry.
          Look at the coats of arms of Ukrainian lands as part of the Russian Federation, rowing of the Old Russian principalities ...

          Even Alexander 1 in 1801, the Black Sea Cossack army (recruited mainly from the Cossacks) granted them blue-yellow flags (given the historical use of the Cossacks)



          flag of the Cossacks of the times of Hetman



          What Sofia ... insanity

          Flag of Lviv land in the Battle of Grundwal



          Flag of the Galicia-Volyn Principality



          1. Egoza
            22 May 2013 09: 27 New
            0
            Quote: LINX
            Blue-yellow colors in Ukraine

            Quote: LINX
            Cossack banners of the 15-16 centuries - half of them are yellow-blue in different variations, the rest are red-raspberry.

            You yourself do not notice the contradictions? It’s YELLOW_Blue and red-raspberry banners, which can be easily seen by looking at the picture of I. Repin "Cossacks write a letter to the Turkish Sultan." And Repin was very accurate in historical details! But not BLUE-YELLOW - the current flag. But the present flag was given as a model by the one presented by Empress Sophia. Colors are present, only in that order - a big difference.
        2. LINX
          LINX 22 May 2013 01: 06 New
          0
          The large coat of arms of Ukraine approved by the Cabinet of Ministers but not accepted by BP. Accepted project



          Before its final adoption, without any problems, a small

          the coat of arms of the Russian Federation has Byzantine roots and originally symbolized a sacrificial animal cut in half (not only double-headed eagles were used in Byzantine heraldry).

          And why not a single word about the origin of the tricolor of the Russian Federation)))?
          1. Egoza
            22 May 2013 09: 32 New
            0
            Quote: LINX
            The large coat of arms of Ukraine approved by the Cabinet of Ministers but not accepted by BP. Accepted project

            That's it. There is "on paper", but there is no official presentation at all levels, i.e. actually not. I'm not talking about the international level, even if the Ukrainians themselves recognize the emblem of their country? They use the "Small Coat of Arms", but I pay attention to the influence of the symbols of the country! With the "small" emblem, the young country will remain "small", there will be no growth.
  13. alebor
    alebor 21 May 2013 11: 30 New
    +5
    I will not be surprised if it turns out that the author of this article at home has furniture arranged according to Feng Shui. smile
    1. Egoza
      21 May 2013 16: 10 New
      +4
      Quote: alebor
      the author of this article at home has furniture arranged in Feng Shui

      That’s what’s not, that’s not! A solid "creative mess"! fellow
  14. Algor73
    Algor73 21 May 2013 11: 33 New
    +4
    Well, if you look, then only in Belarus more or less the coat of arms symbolizes something, something common, unifying. Neither in Russia, with its eagles, nor in Ukraine, with the trident, do I see precisely the statehood of the people. Moreover, the states are still quite young. However, one can argue and argue about symbols. But, it seems to me that state symbols are so important for the development of a country as Munchausen to fly to the moon. The main thing is how and who rules the country, how the people live.
  15. VDV 80-82
    VDV 80-82 21 May 2013 11: 53 New
    +5
    stupid article! why did the author decide that the citizens of Russia do not want the revival of the Empire ??? in my opinion the exact opposite! study the topic and opinion polls ...
    1. Skavron
      Skavron 21 May 2013 12: 09 New
      -6
      Who are you going to bring the first under the imperial hand?
      1. Aucraig
        Aucraig 21 May 2013 13: 53 New
        +6
        Belarus and Armenia. Ukraine in a couple of years will creep on its own. And "lead" will not be necessary.
      2. Curculum
        Curculum 21 May 2013 13: 54 New
        +3
        Quote: Skavron
        Who are you going to bring the first under the imperial hand?

        Why are you interested in?
      3. Alexander-Tomsk
        Alexander-Tomsk 21 May 2013 14: 14 New
        +4
        Let's start from the Baltic states, here it will be a screech all over the world! Immediately everyone will forget about the Middle East. tongue
        1. Curculum
          Curculum 21 May 2013 14: 46 New
          +4
          Quote: Alexander-Tomsk
          Let's start from the Baltic states

          Do you think that they are of interest to someone? In the modern world order - hardly.
        2. Torang
          Torang 21 May 2013 15: 49 New
          +5
          Balts in the west and stocked up for screeching, they are already screaming in general.
          1. Curculum
            Curculum 21 May 2013 16: 01 New
            +4
            Quote: Torang
            Balts in the west and stocked up for screeching, they are already screaming in general.

            + Forced to agree. drinks
  16. Gardamir
    Gardamir 21 May 2013 11: 55 New
    +6
    Personally, I am for the return of the red flag. And it’s just unpleasant when the flag is called a tricolor. They said at least tricolor.
    1. RUS
      RUS 21 May 2013 12: 04 New
      0
      Tricolor - three colors, what's unpleasant? The word flag is also not a Russian word, by the way, do you propose to name the flag, banner or banner?
      1. Atlon
        Atlon 21 May 2013 18: 51 New
        +3
        Quote: RUS
        propose to name the flag, banner or banner?

        You are right, the flag is not a Russian word. However, the flag, banner and banner are not synonyms at all!
        Flag is a symbol
        A banner is a banner
        Banner is an affiliation.
    2. Was mammoth
      Was mammoth 21 May 2013 15: 53 New
      -2
      Quote: Gardamir
      They said at least tricolor.

      Previously, there were still input definitions - "Sybek" and "demon". I suggest thinking - which word corresponded to the Russian flag and which to the French one.
  17. Skavron
    Skavron 21 May 2013 12: 11 New
    10
    Of course, I could be wrong, but the flag of the Russian Empire was black-yellow-white, and red-white-blue was the flag of Russian merchant ships.
    1. RUS
      RUS 21 May 2013 12: 26 New
      -1
      You're wrong.
      1. Skavron
        Skavron 21 May 2013 13: 37 New
        +3
        So a dozen sites on the history of Russia and wikis also - they lie!
        1. Joker
          Joker 21 May 2013 14: 31 New
          +6
          Yellow is the flag of the empire, and our current flag first appears in 1700 and it was the army banner, then it became a trade flag, then the Russian national flag. Here the devil himself will break his leg, I personally do not like the flag. Somehow the USSR flag is closer to me, purely if we evaluate the beauty, I like the RI flag, but it is ripped off from German, so I would probably return the flag of the USSR, and on the coat of arms there would be a bear, which is more suitable for our population, and indeed way of life smile In general, we have a very long history, so you can delve and find a lot of interesting things, but this is more likely to heraldic experts, etc. I do not understand this question at all.
          1. RUS
            RUS 21 May 2013 16: 54 New
            0
            And you ask the population of the national republic they want a Russian bear on the coat of arms? I offer a zoo on the coat of arms: Chechen wolf, Russian brown bear, Tatar leopard, mountain eagle (Caucasus), horse, etc. laughing
            1. Joker
              Joker 21 May 2013 17: 24 New
              +3
              So we will vote democratically wink
            2. Danafxnumx
              Danafxnumx 21 May 2013 17: 52 New
              +2
              we have 80% of the population Russian ...
              whom we say will be
      2. Danafxnumx
        Danafxnumx 21 May 2013 17: 51 New
        +1
        no, it’s not mistaken ...
  18. GELEZNII_KAPUT
    GELEZNII_KAPUT 21 May 2013 12: 23 New
    +2
    But what about the Russian Federation, is it not an empire ?! bully
  19. Volkhov
    Volkhov 21 May 2013 12: 28 New
    -4
    The article raises an important issue, only the text is about nothing with good pictures.
    Most state symbols express the achievements of ancient terrestrial civilization before taking control.
    - ornament of Belarus - scheme of the field picture of synthesis in converging waves
    - double-headed eagle - the lines of force of the Earth's magnetic field and the internal structure, the horseman defeating the dragon - the fight against comets
    - Ukrainian trident - section of a plasma torch, type of beam weapon
    - Tuvan horses - vortex type aircraft
    - US Pyramid - Passive Anti-Launcher
    Combined together, these technologies provide a powerful civilization, but during the capture the principle of "divide and conquer" was applied and knowledge remained only on the arms. It's like a disassembled car. Apparently the invaders are wondering if people are able to see what is before their eyes.
    All that’s business is to unite and go to the stars, but for now the show-off is more expensive.
  20. Captain45
    Captain45 21 May 2013 12: 30 New
    +4
    Quote: RUS
    The word flag is also not a Russian word, by the way, do you propose to name the flag, banner or banner?

    "The banner, there is a holy gonfalon ... Because you don’t feel sorry for the stomach ... The okrug of the sovereign should not give anyone a rifle .." Novikov Priboy, story "Literature". Regarding the double-headed eagle, as the coat of arms of Russia appeared, if I remember correctly, in the reign of Ivan the Third, after his marriage to Sophia Paleolog, who was the daughter of the Byzantine emperor. Thus, by accepting the coat of arms of Byzantium, Ivan emphasized that Russia is the heir to the Byzantine Christian traditions that extend to the West and East. I have come across this interpretation about the double-headed eagle in historical delights on this subject. And the rest, Elena brought up an interesting topic, as the saying goes "As you name a yacht, so she and floats ", put a" + ". Yes, and about the flags: the black-yellow-white flag was adopted as the state one under Alexander the Second, was an inverted copy of the flag of Austria-Hungary, and the white-blue-red was introduced by Peter the Great after a visit to Holland is an inverted copy of the Dutch, for a long time it was the flag of the merchant fleet, and the official state flag was black and yellow and white, by the end of the 19 century it remained the official flag of the reigning Romanov family, and at the state level it was white and blue and red. something like that if wrong correct.
    1. RUS
      RUS 21 May 2013 12: 57 New
      +2
      If you flip the Dutch flag, the Russian flag does not work. But if you turn the Serbian, then there will be our tricolor, by the way the Serbs did so and turned our flag in the 19th century, and to this day it is their state. The arrangement of the color of the stripes on our flag has no analogues.
  21. Vital 33
    Vital 33 21 May 2013 12: 40 New
    +2
    I have learned the anthem of Ukraine in the army, and I still remember clearly. Nothing complicated there, and it’s short in general ... A person who can’t learn and remember his own anthem, or does it on purpose, or a clinical id .. from (or didn’t serve .. :)) The anthem is normal for me, ( considering when it was written), music and words are solemnly gloomy, but showing the belligerent spirit of people ready to fight for their country ... something like that)))
    1. Vital 33
      Vital 33 21 May 2013 14: 16 New
      +2
      Though tell me what the minus is?))) For the fact that I remember the anthem, or for the fact that I served)))
      1. Igarr
        Igarr 21 May 2013 15: 25 New
        -1
        For - ".... something like that))) .."
        Although the minus is not mine.
        if we speak, then we affirm.
        And do not doubt it.
        So?
        Or not?
        1. Vital 33
          Vital 33 21 May 2013 16: 04 New
          +1
          I don’t doubt it, it's just my personal feelings, not a paradigm ...
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  22. tixon444
    tixon444 21 May 2013 12: 41 New
    +7
    The emblem of any state can be the Serpent Gorynych. Remember a folk tale? He is the state. About three heads: executive, legislative and judicial branches. There is a fourth power - the media - the tail of the Serpent. The army and the police are paws. smile
  23. seller trucks
    seller trucks 21 May 2013 13: 23 New
    +2
    "The President’s sign (kolar) is a necklace, like a woman’s. Such a distinction is a symbol of power"

    looking at these beads, I remembered another symbol of Ukraine, the "Order of St. Stanislav", the Masonic Order of SS, who does not remember, a huge scandal erupted in 2003 that the members of the Order are about 300 of top leaders of the state, the most interesting is that no one is shy about the lists of cavaliers : http://ioss.org.ua/about/prior/2008/06/16/313.html
  24. Captain45
    Captain45 21 May 2013 13: 38 New
    +2
    Quote: RUS
    If you flip the Dutch flag, the Russian flag does not work.

    I agree, a little hurried, the colors of the Netherlands flag red-white-blue, were used by Peter when creating the flag for Russian merchant ships with a different order: white-blue-red
  25. bilgesez
    bilgesez 21 May 2013 13: 42 New
    +2
    The anthem is wonderful, the coat of arms is wonderful, but the flag is Vlasov, fascist. You need to change the flag.
    1. seller trucks
      seller trucks 21 May 2013 13: 51 New
      +4
      nothing needs to be changed, the Vlasov army fought under the flags and standards of Nazi Germany, the history of the “tricolor” comes from Alexei Mikhailovich Romanov, and Vlasov had a rag
      1. bilgesez
        bilgesez 21 May 2013 14: 02 New
        +3
        Not a rag, but a Romanov flag. And with this flag Russia did not win a single victory. And Vlasov completely overturned him.
        1. seller trucks
          seller trucks 21 May 2013 14: 17 New
          +1
          let’s so, what is the relation of Grand Duke A.M. Romanov has a collaborator Vlasov
    2. RUS
      RUS 21 May 2013 16: 58 New
      +2
      The flag is "not to blame" that it was used by the Vlasovites.
      Moreover, under this flag there have been many great victories in the entire centuries-old history of the flag.
    3. Atlon
      Atlon 21 May 2013 19: 01 New
      +4
      Quote: bilgesez
      but the flag is Vlasov, fascist. You need to change the flag.

      Do not say nonsense! Hitler, for example, used the swastika, which is now worldwide banned! And by the way, this is the oldest sacred symbol! The ancient Slavs were used very often, though it is wrapped in the other direction. Look at the Indian ornaments, Buddhist, swastika, the most common symbol! The fact that Hitler was oppressed by the ancient symbol of the swastika is not to blame! So Vlasov used the flag, which was long before him!
      By the way, doesn’t it bother you that the flags of Nazi Germany are the same red as the USSR?
      1. Horde
        Horde 21 May 2013 19: 17 New
        +4
        wrapped in different ways, and so, and so the attire of the Slav


        even before the war, such ornaments existed in the north
        1. bilgesez
          bilgesez 21 May 2013 22: 27 New
          +3
          Such ornaments exist for several thousand years.
      2. rereture
        rereture 21 May 2013 19: 24 New
        +3
        Quote: Atlon
        The ancient Slavs were used very often, though it is wrapped in the other direction.

        and called Kolovrat) Father is engaged in treasure hunting, finds many rings with such a sign.)
      3. bilgesez
        bilgesez 21 May 2013 22: 26 New
        +5
        The duplicity of the authorities confuses me. In my city, a criminal case was opened against a young girl for portraying a swastika on an economic package, moreover, a Slavic eight-ray swastika. It turns out that Slavic symbols cannot be used, but European symbols (colors of the Dutch flag), treacherous, can be used.
  26. Apollo
    Apollo 21 May 2013 14: 19 New
    +4
    Bravo Elena! hi

    excellent article, but one gap still exists, namely, the flags and symbols of the former other allies of the former republic are not displayed. I will answer for Azerbaijan.

    The upper strip of the flag of the Republic of Azerbaijan is blue. This color means glory, honor, fidelity, sincerity. For Azerbaijan, this is the color of the ancient Khazar (Caspian Sea).
    The middle bar is red. This is right, strength, courage, love, courage. The red color of the Azerbaijani flag is a memory of the heroic struggle of the people led by Babek against the yoke of the invaders. This is the color of revolution, a victorious war. It is the color of fire and wheat grains.
    The green bar at the bottom of the flag is freedom, joy (jubilation), hope, health. Green is a favorite color of the Azerbaijani people. It is present in the names of the lakes of Azerbaijan, it symbolizes spring, the arrival of Novruz, it recalls the semeni - the green circle of hope.
    In the middle of the red strip is a crescent. For many years he was mercilessly etched from the heraldry of Azerbaijan. It was deciphered as "a religious symbol, alien to the entire ideological consciousness and the meaning of secular emblem." The crescent is one of the oldest symbols, distributed mainly among the peoples of Asia, where in the days of paganism there was a cult of the moon. By the way, pre-Christian Caucasian Albania was famous for its temple constructions dedicated to this cult, as Strabo testified to.

    The eight-pointed star, located to the right of the crescent, also does not carry any "religious burden". These are, in fact, two four-pointed stars. The eight-pointed star in Azerbaijani mythology denoted Sirius - the star of all travelers, the star that organizes great space and time. There is nothing mystical in the symbolism of the Azerbaijani flag: no hidden meanings, no Masonic secrets, no alien signs. In it are closely intertwined universal human symbols of good, hope, glory and national pride for their land, for their native land. Bright symbols of the spiritual culture of ancient Azerbaijan are the eight-pointed star and its semantic synonyms - Simurg and Novruz. This can be confirmed by the borrowing by cultures of other nations of the philosophy and symbolic symbol adopted by the ancestors of Azerbaijanis, in particular the most ancient astral symbol of the goodwill of the gods - the eight-pointed star and the philosophy of the universe.
    The eight-pointed star, including in the radiant-petal and other stylized form, is found in Azerbaijani carpets cultivated from the beginning of the 1st millennium BC, national embroideries, jewelry and other objects of national decorative and applied art. Following the law of continuity of cultural heritage, the eight-pointed star has become, over time, the national symbol of Azerbaijan, embodied in the coat of arms and national flag of the republic.

    Eightfold symbolism was common in the ancient civilizations of the East and in the ancient world - in Sumer, Assyria and Babylon, Media and Iran, India and Palestine, Greece and Rome, England and Russia. It is found in royal cylindrical seals, on palace bas-reliefs and in architectural solutions, on boundary stones and in jewelry. In the history of the culture of mankind, an eight-pointed star, as a divine astral symbol, is first found on royal cylindrical seals, royal bas-reliefs and in jewelry of Sumer, Assyria and Babylon, dating to the end of IV - the beginning of the III millennium BC.

    So the eight-pointed star - the most important astral symbol of the goodwill of the gods of Sumer - the Mesopotamian civilization, has acquired a new philosophical significance in the culture of Zoroastrianism, as the seven stages and foundations of the universe, followed by the eighth stage - a new eternal life of righteous people.
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 21 May 2013 17: 30 New
      +1
      Baku is the land of lights

      1. Apollo
        Apollo 21 May 2013 17: 45 New
        +1
        my city, my symbol

        1. Apollo
          Apollo 21 May 2013 19: 47 New
          +1
          Anthem of Azerbaijan

  27. Mhpv
    Mhpv 21 May 2013 14: 25 New
    +3
    It seems to me that Captain Vrungel’s song (by the way, Kievnauchfilm) is well suited to this topic:
    "In the sea of ​​blue, as in a pharmacy,
    Everything has an essence and weight -
    Ship like a man
    The name is desperately needed.
    You knowingly give a name
    I will tell you in advance:
    What do you call a yacht
    So she will swim!
    What do you call a yacht
    So she will swim!

    Let the youths still sailors
    Schooner flimsy in appearance -
    Call it "Albatross"
    And she is already flying.
    And you’ll call “Trough” -
    Do not get away from trouble:
    This schooner and in the swamp
    Chokes on water.
    This schooner and in the swamp
    Drunk water. "
  28. Apollo
    Apollo 21 May 2013 14: 42 New
    +8
    Infographics, the history of the national flag of Russia.
  29. cool.ya-nikola
    cool.ya-nikola 21 May 2013 14: 48 New
    +4
    Quote: Apollon
    Bravo Elena!

    Totally - FOR! I can only add, for the article, thanks, Elena! I really hope that our countries will nevertheless be one country! drinks Sooner or later, common sense must defeat the "Galician" ambitions!
  30. Ataman
    Ataman 21 May 2013 14: 48 New
    +5
    In dolukashensk times, the emblem and flag of Belarus looked like this. But the old man said: "Why do we need this horse with a sword and where does it wave to them?" And he returned the Soviet emblem. Now, if he had shown figs to the east and west, then he would probably have left. wink
  31. knn54
    knn54 21 May 2013 15: 24 New
    +3
    Japan and France also do not have their own coat of arms (the so-called "large")!
    The colors of the Russian flag coincide with the pan-Slavic colors that appear in the flags of many Slavic states of Slovakia, Slovenia, Croatia, Serbia, Montenegro and Bulgaria - with the replacement of blue with green (alarm bell, because blue is the color of the Virgin).
    On the photo is the national flag of all Slavs, which appeared at the Pan-Slavic congress in Prague in 1848.
    PS - The fact is that in the original there were not quite politically correct words. In particular…
    “Oh, Bogdan, Bogdan, our glorious hetman, having handed out Ukraine to Mos ... fuck us?”
    1. MG42
      MG42 21 May 2013 18: 10 New
      +4
      The flag of the Netherlands (Holland) does not resemble anything?
      1. RUS
        RUS 21 May 2013 18: 33 New
        +1
        The flag of the Netherlands resembles the flag of the Netherlands.
        1. MG42
          MG42 21 May 2013 18: 42 New
          +6
          Quote: RUS
          reminds a flag of the Netherlands

          toothpaste colors <joke> wink
  32. Vtel
    Vtel 21 May 2013 15: 39 New
    +5
    "Everything mixed up in the house of Oblonsky." We also have five-pointed stars - pentagrams on the towers of the Kremlin and the imperial flag, St. Petersburg, and the Leningrad region, Yekaterinburg, and the Sverdlovsk region - one of those involved in the murder of the Tsar’s Family. In general, complete venigret as in our government, each ... a pair.
  33. lexe
    lexe 21 May 2013 15: 42 New
    +1
    The whole history of Russia is a rebirth from the ashes. I propose in the form of a coat of arms - Russian KUKISH!) - for the transition period, so to speak))). So that the enemies would not hope. Well, and then it will be necessary to look ..- our worldview is deepest. About militancy, the quieter and calmer our anthem will be, the worse it will be for our enemies. After all, it’s like a quiet pool and the devil as)))
  34. Rrv
    Rrv 21 May 2013 15: 53 New
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        Rrv 21 May 2013 15: 55 New
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  35. Vadzja
    Vadzja 21 May 2013 16: 02 New
    11
    Author +++ per article.

    Compare: the anthem of the Ukrainian SSR "Live Ukraine is beautiful and strong ..."
    the current anthem "She Has Not Died Ukraine ..."

    As they say, comments are superfluous.
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 21 May 2013 17: 09 New
      +1
      Quote: Vadzja
      Author +++ per article.

      Compare: the anthem of the Ukrainian SSR "Live Ukraine is beautiful and strong ..."
      the current anthem "She Has Not Died Ukraine ..."

      As they say, comments are superfluous.



      I agree with you! What music, if not “Schenavmerlu” can offer Galitsai - a mutant of the Austro-Polish selection.
      “Going for pustulence” - according to one of the Galician Svidomites, during the time of Austro-Polish rule in Galicia, local aborigines, for lack of even a primitive village toilet due to extreme poverty, “pulled the boulder” to relieve the need for a fragile shed (along with livestock ) * wipe the finger.
      What are the morals, such is the music.
  36. Old warrior
    Old warrior 21 May 2013 17: 06 New
    +2
    Quote: Volkhov
    The article raises an important issue, only the text is about nothing with good pictures.
    Most state symbols express the achievements of ancient terrestrial civilization before taking control.
    - ornament of Belarus - scheme of the field picture of synthesis in converging waves
    - double-headed eagle - the lines of force of the Earth's magnetic field and the internal structure, the horseman defeating the dragon - the fight against comets
    - Ukrainian trident - section of a plasma torch, type of beam weapon
    - Tuvan horses - vortex type aircraft
    - US Pyramid - Passive Anti-Launcher
    Combined together, these technologies provide a powerful civilization, but during the capture the principle of "divide and conquer" was applied and knowledge remained only on the arms. It's like a disassembled car. Apparently the invaders are wondering if people are able to see what is before their eyes.
    All that’s business is to unite and go to the stars, but for now the show-off is more expensive.


    Powerfully pushed ... good
  37. MG42
    MG42 21 May 2013 17: 43 New
    +5
    To author +
    Regarding the color of state. the flag of Ukraine, when the Swedes arrived in Kiev at Euro 2012, find the difference
    Here are the Swedes fans on Khreshchatyk resting >>>
    And ukrainian fans are higher

    As for the anthem >>> the USSR anthem sounds better, more powerful.
    1. Egoza
      21 May 2013 19: 12 New
      +7
      Why are there flags! We now have a Blue-and-yellow cloth in our hand is not telling anyone about anything. Party banners became political and expressing their position. For the third year now, they have been confidently crowding out the state flag into the corners of offices and on the roofs of institutions. Not surprisingly, some are beginning to forget exactly how he looks ... fellow
      And Viktor Yanukovych, for example, appeared in the heat of political activity on the cover of his book “And the Year in Power” against the background of an inverted flag, and neither the author, nor the designer, nor the editor noticed this. laughing
      1. ia-ai00
        ia-ai00 21 May 2013 19: 25 New
        +3
        MMMMMMMMDaaaaaa ..........
        1. MG42
          MG42 21 May 2013 19: 42 New
          +5
          Here is this book of Yanukovych with an inverted state. flag wassat Everywhere solid kinolyapy.
      2. MG42
        MG42 21 May 2013 19: 26 New
        +3
        Quote: Egoza
        Viktor Yanukovych, for example, appeared in the heat of political activity on the cover of his book “And the Year in Power” against the background of an inverted flag, and neither the author, nor the designer, nor the editor noticed this.

        The first copies of the widely publicized book of Viktor Yanukovych "Opportunity Ukraine" ("Ukraine is a country of opportunities") appeared in Ukraine. After reviewing the president’s literary work, Ukrainian Truth came to a shocking conclusion.

        It turns out, Yanukovych’s book is commonplace plagiarism, where not only the thoughts of others were stated under the president’s signature, but also whole paragraphs were compiled from texts that had previously been signed by other persons, from the odious journalist Vyacheslav Pikhovshek to the arrested official Vasily Volga. [...]
        http://www.rospres.com/hearsay/9507/
        1. Egoza
          21 May 2013 21: 04 New
          +3
          Quote: MG42
          Yanukovych’s book is trivial plagiarism,

          But the fee for her in the tens of millions received! Well, the "thoughts are" golden "!
      3. Hudo
        Hudo 21 May 2013 19: 50 New
        +3
        Quote: Egoza
        And Viktor Yanukovych, for example, appeared in the heat of political activity on the cover of his book “And the year in power” against the background of an inverted flag, and neither the author, nor the designer, nor the editor noticed it


        I have great doubts that the tongue-tied Yanukovych did not write this book, but even that he READ it. This is the "creation" of his talking head of the banderovka Ganna German, the one that during an online chat on Korrespondent.net German, answering readers' questions, declares: "I grew up on the traditions of the UPA and the legend about the UPA, on rebel songs."
        1. MG42
          MG42 21 May 2013 20: 42 New
          +4
          Quote: Hudo
          I have great doubts that the tongue-tied Yanukovych did not write this book, but even that he READ it.

          Why is he talking aboutFfYesor as he wrote in his profile.
        2. Hudo
          Hudo 21 May 2013 21: 30 New
          +1
          Here is a link who is Ganna German - the talking head of Yanukovych without cuts.
          http://hazar.kiev.ua/?p=2536
  38. nnz226
    nnz226 21 May 2013 18: 05 New
    +5
    In fact, about the origin of "state ensign" independent, there is another more ancient version. When the traitor Mazepa ran to the Swedish king Karl 12 (1708-09), he brought with him a certain number of Cossacks. And since the latter dressed in what a great deal, not like soldiers of the regular armies, to distinguish Cossacks dressed differently, but loyal to the Swedes, from similarly differently dressed, but faithful to Peter, pennants or badges with flowers were issued at the peak of the "Swedish" Cossacks of the Swedish flag, that is, “yellow-black-winged”, the cross, as it was senseless to depict on the Swedish flag on a pennant, was limited to two stitched stripes. Thus, “POWER SUPPORT” IS NON-RESTRICTED - THERE IS A SYMBOL OF TRADEMARK (MASEPY) AND TRAINERS 'REVIEW IS INVOLVED BY AN INVASOR, i.e. SWEDEN.
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 21 May 2013 18: 27 New
      +2
      Does the flag of the Austrian province of Lower Austria remind you of anything?
      https://www.google.com.ua/search?q=нижняя+австрия+флаг&client=f
      irefox-a & hl = ru & rls = org.mozilla: ru: official & tbm = isch & tbo = u & source = univ & sa = X & ei = P4
      WbUZivNZTo4QSImoGoBw
    2. RUS
      RUS 21 May 2013 18: 35 New
      +1
      Mazepa workers wound yellow-blue fabrics on their hands.
      1. Hudo
        Hudo 21 May 2013 18: 53 New
        +2
        Quote: RUS
        Mazepa workers wound yellow-blue fabrics on their hands.


        They (the Mazepans), and now it would not hurt to reel, only not on the hands, but on the neck and rubbing soap with a tighten, and most importantly harder!
  39. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 21 May 2013 18: 20 New
    +1
    Good article! Honestly, the LIC passedWITHOUT!
  40. Enot-poloskun
    Enot-poloskun 21 May 2013 18: 35 New
    +4
    But Russia has a coat of arms, if I'm not mistaken, is Byzantine!

    Those. there is a claim to the legacy of the second Rome - Constantinople.

    Remember: "Moscow is the third Rome!".

    And the article is interesting!
  41. Horde
    Horde 21 May 2013 18: 54 New
    +9
    Why should our symbolism be deduced from Peter that the Russian state, like Petersburg, is 300 years old? If Peter, who did not like Russia and remade his whole life in Russia according to European standards and customs, and the army, and symbolism, after all, took the flag from the flag of Holland as a small state without any history? Is this Russia a state that even had an EXTREMELY TRADITIONAL HISTORY it’s already 600 years of existence, glorious history and great victories. By the beginning of the 18th century Russia was the BIGGEST EUROPEAN STATE, with its original culture and centuries-old traditions, so ON WHAT BASIS do we abandon our DEPETROVSKY SYMBOL ???
    Here is the old icon of the 17th century “Sergius of Radonezh with Life”, it does not depict the Kulikovo battle the GREAT battle in the history of mankind. The troops of Dmitry Ivanovich on the left, on all banners, we see the RED Banner with SAVING is our ancient, PRIMINAL SYMBOL. The color of the banner is RED because red is the color of VICTORY. With the red flag, we won on the Kulikovo field, with the red flag we won the Great Patriotic War. Have we won anything with the tricolor?
  42. rereture
    rereture 21 May 2013 19: 05 New
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    A coat of arms would suit me: a bear on its hind legs with a sickle and a hammer in its hands, and behind it there is a red banner with the image of George the Victorious ....
    1. Egoza
      21 May 2013 19: 22 New
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      Quote: rereture
      I would have been satisfied with a coat of arms: a bear on its hind legs with a sickle and a hammer in its hands, and behind it there is a red banner with the image of George the Victorious ...

      Also a great option! And the essence of the people conveys true! I think many would like it.
  43. MG42
    MG42 21 May 2013 19: 21 New
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    Tuned retro car with the emblem of the USSR on the hood
  44. APASUS
    APASUS 21 May 2013 19: 48 New
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    The author somehow did not convincingly draw a line under his article !!
    And the conclusion is quite controversial, where to get the history of the country? after all, these symbols have not just turned out to be power attributes.
    Or do you need to change your characters every 5 years, for goals and objectives ??
    I wanted to remind the author of the words from the anthem of France.
    There is something to think about, but the French are not confused

    1. Go, Fatherland sons you,
    The hour of your glory has come!
    Again tyranny against us
    Put up a bloody standard.
    Do you hear in our fields
    Evil howls enemy soldiers?
    He goes so that your son and brother
    Your eyes were torn to pieces!

    Refrain

    To arms friends
    Get everything in order
    It's time, it's time!
    Rotten blood
    Wash our fields
  45. uizik
    uizik 21 May 2013 19: 51 New
    0
    I don’t understand one thing. How the yellow-black-haired ensign became yellow-blue! Well, with the hymn everything is clear.
  46. AntonR7
    AntonR7 21 May 2013 19: 56 New
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    I do not agree with the author! The coat of arms of Russia is beautiful and fully corresponds to the aspirations of the people! It encourages us to conform to the spirit of the empire, to maintain and develop the greatness of Russia, not only to those in power. It is nice to be a part of the great. And the fact that someone screams out of fear that we will enslave them is his problem.
    1. aviamed90
      aviamed90 21 May 2013 21: 20 New
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      AntonR7

      Yeah, especially the imperial crown - a symbol of imperial sovereignty (autocracy) at the top! And these are the aspirations of the people?

      And since when did the Russian Federation become an empire?
      In fact, an empire is a monarchical state headed by an emperor or a colonial power that has established its dominance over colonies and dependent territories.

      And even in the modern, figurative sense, we are not an empire:

      1. The presence of a strong army and police - is absent;
      2. Great foreign policy influence - absent;
      3. A powerful state idea - is absent;
      4. rigid, as a rule, one-man, power - is absent;
      5. High loyalty of the population - is absent;
      6. An active foreign policy aimed at expansion, aspiration for regional or world domination is also absent;
      7. The most important criterion is the presence of specific internal systemic relationships between the central governing part of the state (metropolis), which has concentrated political and economic power, and the colonies subordinate to it, which are sources of geopolitical and economic resources - is debatable.


      And in order to “maintain and develop the greatness of Russia,” as you put it, it is necessary, first, to restore it.
      1. AntonR7
        AntonR7 23 May 2013 17: 10 New
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        It is precisely this and the aspirations of the people - truly Russian, and the fact that you listed the nonsense, practically all of this exists in Russia, and what does not depend on the people, that’s what the spirit of the empire must be.
  47. Apollo
    Apollo 21 May 2013 20: 03 New
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    anthem of the Russian Federation

    1. Apollo
      Apollo 21 May 2013 20: 05 New
      +8
      and finally the anthem of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics


  48. Yuriwhite
    Yuriwhite 21 May 2013 21: 13 New
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    Normal article. I agree completely besides the author’s inventions about the Imperial coat of arms of Russia! Russia was will be only the Empire! For only empires can be great powers on this Earth, only empires can achieve great achievements, and over time, the Russian Empire will regain ALL temporarily lost territories.
    1. Egoza
      22 May 2013 09: 48 New
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      Quote: YuriWhite
      Russia was will be only the Empire!

      How to say. Actually, in the empire, the people - the peoples of the empire have no RIGHTS! But there is an emperor with all power and weight of all responsibility. Yes, he has advisers, but he changes them at his discretion. A weak emperor may become dependent on his advisers, a strong one - never. And the questions are decided by the emperor, who realized that he was mistaken somewhere ... If there was an empire, Mr. Serdyukov would have suddenly died from an “apoplexy strike”.
      And why is there so much talk today that the RIGHTS of the Russian people are violated, despite the laws? Is it because the imperial emblem is "acting"? bully
  49. Dr.
    Dr. M2 21 May 2013 22: 03 New
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    Why is the planet Mars depicted on the coat of arms of the USSR?

    Those who read my story "The Lord of Mars" (second part
    "Worm") may remember how the main character suddenly dawned on -
    the red star on the Soviet emblem denotes the planet Mars! AT
    in fact, at the bottom of the coat of arms is the sun, then (above)
    The globe is depicted. And what is the next in the solar system
    planet from the sun? Mars! And what was the name of the planet Mars in
    antiquities? Red Star - for her fiery color! And what is depicted
    on the coat of arms farther (higher) from the sun than the Earth? Of course, Red
    Star! So, the Red Star on the Soviet coat of arms = planet Mars!
    When in the spring of 1991 I wrote The Lord of Mars, I
    discovered this fact by accident. Just one beautiful
    the day the metro car stopped in front of me, on which it’s not yet
    managed to paint over the image of the Soviet coat of arms. Coat of arms
    the subway cars were colored and the star on them was distinctly
    red. And although I also inserted this little discovery in
    story, I myself did not believe in its truth at that time - you never know
    what hidden meaning can be seen by looking at such a complex
    drawing as a Soviet emblem. If you look at the clouds in the sky, there
    you can also see anything - even human faces, even
    camels. But that doesn’t mean that someone of these camels is there
    specially painted. So the creators of the coat of arms could well not
    suspect this hidden meaning.
    And only a few months after finishing work on
    I discovered another fact that made me much
    take the hypothesis that the Red Star on
    Soviet emblem is a symbolic image of Mars. Simply
    for fun, I took and measured the distance from the center of the sun on the coat of arms
    (this is the place where the ears cross) to the center of the Earth, and
    then the distance from the center of the sun to the center of the Red Star on
    coat of arms. If we take the distance from the center of the sun to the Earth for
    unit (astronomers call this distance astronomical
    unit, or abbreviated AU), then the distance from the center of the sun to
    the center of the Red Star on the emblem was 1,5 AU. Those who at least
    studied a little astronomy must remember that the planet Mars
    located at a distance of 1,5 AU from the sun. Inside
    the solar system was painted on the Soviet coat of arms with
    good observance of scale (this applies to orbits
    planets; draw the planets themselves to scale in such a figure
    impossible - they simply would not be visible)!
  50. Dr.
    Dr. M2 21 May 2013 22: 04 New
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    If the first, purely qualitative observation, it was still possible
    neglected, then from quantitative measurements, confirming that
    The Red Star on the coat of arms - this is the planet Mars was already impossible so
    easy to brush it off. Real materialistic required
    explanation of this fact (that is, not the same as in the story -
    poetic and mystical).
    And when I finally managed to find an explanation, it turned out
    that the truth is much more surprising than fiction.
    First, I recall a few well-known historical
    facts.
    During the great confrontation of Mars in 1877
    Italian astronomer Giovanni Schiaparelli succeeded with great
    with difficulty to make out on the surface of Mars some subtlest straight lines
    lines that he named the Italian word canali, which is not
    necessarily means artificial channels - it is quite possible that
    Schiaparelli meant by this natural straits. However
    when translating the works of Schiaparelli into English, this word
    turned out to be translated as canals, which means channels
    artificial origin. In 1892, an English translation
    Schiaparelli's works fall into the hands of a rich American
    named Percival Lowell who drops diplomatic
    career, building on his own money an astronomical observatory in
    Arizona and is committed to observing Mars. In 1895 he
    publishes his first book called "Mars" in which
    states that intelligent life exists on Mars and that channels
    are the fruit of engineering Martians living on
    drying up and dying planet, and forced to build giant
    channels to deliver water from the polar caps to the equatorial
    areas. The logical consequences of this statement shocked the whole
    enlightened world of the late 19th century. The scale of engineering structures on
    Mars points out that Martians own technology
    inaccessible to Earthlings. It fit well with the then
    the idea that Mars is, in a sense, older than Earth.
    The fact is that at that time, long before the discovery of the thermonuclear
    reactions, no one really knew why the sun was shining.
    It was assumed that the sun received sometime in antiquity
    initial supply of thermal energy (for example, from
    gravitational compression) and now gradually cools down. That is, in
    antiquity, when the sun was hot, conditions on a more distant
    planet Mars were the same as now on Earth, and the Earth was
    too hot for life. Earth was supposed to repeat
    evolution of Mars with some delay, and Martian
    civilization is much more ancient and developed. Until the first
    photos from interplanetary space stations that proved that
    channels are just an optical illusion, and Mars represents
    from itself a lifeless desert, 70 years left.
    At the end of the 19th century, enlightened circles of the planet Earth became
    panic build up. The Englishman Herbert Wells added fuel to the fire,
    published in 1898 his novel War of the Worlds, in which
    described the military invasion of the Martians on Earth. And again, the Martians
    in this novel were technically equipped much better than earthlings -
    there was everything, right down to battle lasers.