What prevents to stop the expansion of radical Islam in the regions of Russia? (On the example of the North Caucasus Federal District)

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North Caucasus Federal District of the Russian Federation. The total population of 9,55 is a million people. The district with the highest population density in Russia. Ethnic composition (first five): Russians - 30%, Chechens - 14,5%, Avars - 9,2%, Darghins - 5,8%, Kabardians - 5,3%.

The only region of the North Caucasus Federal District, which is not the so-called national republic, is the Stavropol Territory. Stavropol is the most economically developed subject of the North Caucasus Federal District, with a level of gross regional product that is quite modest, based on average indicators throughout Russia, but the level of Stavropol GRP is two or more times higher than similar indicators of the neighboring republics of the district. And according to the classical laws of economics, the better the economy of a territory is developed, the more likely it is that people will appear in this territory who are ready to use relative economic well-being for their own purposes.

If you pay attention to the Stavropol Territory, then this particular subject of the federation shows in recent years steady population growth. On the one hand, such information may seem clearly positive, but if you look at the ethnic background of the growth of the Stavropol population, you can see that there is no special reason for the joy of demographic indicators. The fact is that the region has not given any increase in the Russian population for more than 15 for years, although it was considered privately (at least in Soviet times). The main population growth is given by representatives of the so-called Caucasian peoples (the same Avars, Dargins, Chechens). And this increase is visible, as they say, to the naked eye: if in Russian families 1-2 children are most often born, then Caucasian families are usually set to produce at least three children. Moreover, if Russian families, justifying themselves for a small number of children, tend to say that, they say, problems with housing, low wages, lack of job prospects, then for Caucasian families, all this domestic background is extremely rarely associated with childbirth. The traditionality of a large family for the Caucasus has not gone anywhere.

Obviously, such a situation leads to a demographic roll. The same Stavropol region is quite actively saturated with representatives of the Caucasian nationalities, losing the Russian population. Moreover, the loss occurs not only as a fact of low birth rates in Russian families against the background of high birth rates in Caucasian families, but also from emigration that has manifested itself lately: many representatives of the Russian ethnic group from the Caucasus have either already left or are going to leave. In the news program "News of the Week", the figure in 7% was sounded - just as many Russians left the borders of Stavropol in the last 14-15 years. Official statistics on the apparent decrease in the number of the Russian population of the region is missing. In addition, attempts are being made by the local authorities to keep silent about the problem, stating that all this talk about the “Russian exodus” is a journalistic lie, not supported by official data. But if it's a lie, I would like to see these official data already ...

What prevents to stop the expansion of radical Islam in the regions of Russia? (On the example of the North Caucasus Federal District)


However, the main problem of the same Stavropol Territory is not so much that the percentage of Caucasian residents in the region becomes greater, and the number of Russians is less, but the fact that the Stavropol region slowly, but unfortunately, truly turns into one of the strongholds of radicalism. It was in recent years that the activities of radical Islamists began to show itself with a certain regularity. Increasingly, law enforcement officers are faced with the work of small groups that distribute extremist literature in the province. Moreover, the most popular variant of the distribution of benefits is clearly radical sense is to use mosques that grow in the Stavropol region faster than mushrooms after rain. Of course, there is nothing wrong with believing people visiting mosques and developing Muslim traditions. But the problem here is something else: these people are willing to take advantage of completely different forces, which, under the guise of true faith, are trying to push through extremist ideas, luring new and new "adepts" to their side. If we consider that today in Stavropol Territory every one in every five Muslims is already, then there is a field for the work of emissaries.

In connection with the identified use of Muslim centers (mosques) to spread extremist ideology, local courts imposed several bans on the construction of new mosques in various localities of the region. This led to a negative reaction from local Muslims. Negativism on this issue is also fueled by those who are trying to cultivate radical views among the local population of the Islamic faith.
Not less problems in the region are connected with the sensational history about wearing Muslim headscarves by girls from school in the village of Kara-Tyube in the east of the Stavropol Territory. It was the scandal connected with the fact that the parents of the girls stopped letting them into school after the pedagogical community prohibited girls from entering the school in the hijab, the village of Kara-Tyube, mainly, is known. After this story, the school director even had to quit school and leave the village, as she began to receive clear threats against her.

The parents of the girls themselves (mostly fathers, one of whom, by the way, law enforcement officers once discovered the very extremist literature) are trying to convince everyone that girls like Orthodox Muslims themselves want to go to school in the hijab, but this “self-desire” is more see an attempt at a certain provocation. Although, on the other hand, these same parents have quite a weighty trump card in the dispute about what appearance a modern schoolboy should have (a modern schoolgirl). This trump card is this: they say, if teachers in the same Stavropol region are confused by hijabs, then why aren't they embarrassed by the piercing in the navels or mini skirts of other schoolgirls ... Indeed, the argument is weighty ...



Let's hope that all questions about the appearance of students in any Russian region will find their answers after the uniform school uniform has been introduced in the country. After all, even in many of those countries that call themselves “victorious democracy” countries in educational institutions, a uniform pattern that smooths, let us say, social and economic differentiation. Yes, we have our wonderful experience (the experience of the Soviet era), when school uniforms did not divide people into poor and rich, believers and non-believers.


In Karachaevsk secondary school, 1986 year



Although it can not be excluded that the introduction of school uniforms of a single provocation with the same hijabs will not end. After all, it is quite obvious that a person who makes his child defiantly expose religious status will continue to try to do this, and in the case of certain sanctions declare that the child is denied the right to receive an education. But if the situation comes to a new confrontation, it will be clearly clear: do the parents of these schoolgirls really advocate morality or are trying to loosen the situation in the region, which is turning into a real multiethnic and multi-religious.

Returning to the radical Islamization of the Russian Caucasus, is there an opportunity to stop this process at the legislative level? On the one hand, you can introduce a number of restrictive measures aimed at banning the construction of new mosques, appearing in religious vestments in public places, on street prayers and on other things. But, as you know, prohibitive moves do not always lead to positive results. They, on the contrary, can cause a whole squall in a very heated region. It turns out that the main opposition to radical Islamization is the alignment of the demographic situation in a natural way - maintaining a balance of moral, religious and cultural interests. And also - the revival of their self-awareness, which we were forced to pretty much over the last years 20-25. If the Russian population of the region itself was preoccupied with its own, at least, demographic problems, then there would be no need to leave their homes or sell them for a pittance to visitors from the North Caucasian republics. And this is typical not only for Stavropol. But what - it turns out that you need to force us to produce even children into the world - and again, perhaps, at the legislative level ... No, there is no legislation that will be powerless until the need for a large family appears - children who will continue to live and work in the territory where their parents lived and worked.

But there is one more aspect of the problem: any Caucasian community is a priori much more united than the modern Russian group of people (plus for the Caucasian communities, and minus for you and me today). This is manifested even in the framework of the army service, when sometimes two or three draftees - a representative of the North Caucasian peoples - may dictate to a company, where 95% of Russians, Tatars, Chuvash, and others. Their own conditions. And in fact, which is typical, in most cases, this dictate works. No matter how sad it is, you need to recognize ... That is why, by the way, the call from the national republics of the North Caucasus Federal District to the Russian army was reduced to a minimum, and in some cases canceled altogether. Is this not the answer to why Russian people in the Stavropol region often resignedly give up their favors to visitors ...

Of course, after such words, there are readers who write: they say, and what do these words do on the patriotic site, what kind of attacks on Russians? .. But not attacks, this is our problem, and trying to ignore it means to give in in front of her. I would like to think that sooner or later we will remember what kind of people united all the other nations under the flag of a single large state in which you and I had the honor to live and work. But there was such a line in the Soviet anthem ... And if you remember, then you see - and we will cease to lament that some, sorry, bearded uncle came and made us give him our home, our land, our dignity ...
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  1. Nevsky
    +41
    21 May 2013 07: 29
    What prevents stopping the expansion of radical Islam in the regions of Russia (on the example of the North Caucasus Federal District)?


    Political will hi

    By the way, can we ask Gorbachev? It seems to be symbolic, here in the Stavropol Territory, Judas worked ... am
    1. +83
      21 May 2013 08: 11
      Why the confusion (it cannot be called heads) of our powers that be does not come to a simple but effective move - to declare the Sufis (Wahhabis) a destructive anti-state sect, referring the propaganda of these views to especially grave crimes (with imprisonment up to life, or even better, sending to Alla to bar). Belonging to a sect-deprivation of citizenship and expulsion from the country (let ... t go to their beloved Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan). It is necessary to brutally cleanse all of our territory from these selections. Saudi sponsors and freedom from conscience advocates can walk in the woods.
      1. +22
        21 May 2013 09: 47
        "declare the Sufis (Wahhabis) a destructive anti-state sect, referring the propaganda of these views to especially grave crimes"

        Just this week in the United States published a list of countries where there are problems with religious freedom. Russia is not on the list yet. But apparently the water is stirring in our direction. Again, the spy caught was looking for contacts with an employee who had information about Sev. Cav.

        And I’ll answer your question in such a very effective way that the level of political support in the Russian regions has been raised, so when they give in the face for membership in EP in central Russia, yes, then they will begin to adopt such laws. Well, or as usual, they will accept it when it is too late.
      2. +6
        21 May 2013 09: 50
        Quote: Greyfox
        declare Sufis (Wahhabis) a destructive anti-state sect
        - Sufism and Wahhabism are now one and the same? Do not be stupid and learn materiel!
        1. +9
          21 May 2013 10: 33
          Is Sufism and Wahhabism the Same? Do not be stupid and learn materiel!

          Do not be rude. I made a mistake (or rather sealed) I admit. Of course, the Salafis.
          1. +3
            21 May 2013 10: 56
            Okay .. no offense ..
            1. Patriot of Russia
              0
              21 May 2013 19: 05
              Quote: Nevsky
              By the way, can we ask Gorbachev? It seems to be symbolic, here in the Stavropol Territory, Judas worked ...

              he has been doing business for 20 years. you still ask Lenin. and Judas, with whom we are now asking. with a humpback two boots of steam. one Union has collapsed, another is killing Russia, enriching along with its gang
        2. +11
          21 May 2013 10: 35
          Quote: DAGESTANETS333
          - Sufism and Wahhabism are now one and the same? Do not be stupid and learn materiel!

          Yes, on the drum, the article is not about Sufism or Wahhabism.
          And about the materiel here:
          The flexibility of Sufism and the “openness” to extraneous influences made it extremely heterogeneous. Being originally a sermon of humility and a departure from worldly vanity, over the course of its history more than once it became at first the ideology of insurgent and Mahdist movements, and later - the anticolonial struggle. Among the famous uprisings: the “Murid uprising” in Andalusia, the religious and political movement in Anatolia led by Sheikh Badruddin, the Caucasian war led by Shamil, etc.
          1. -17
            21 May 2013 11: 21
            Absolutely right! - they will begin to forbid me my religion, in my own land - I will resist!

            Will it be on the drum - Sufism or Wahhabism? - take your drum, your laws and leave my land! And we will not interfere with each other.

            Need a state within modern borders? - get ready to take into account the opinion of all citizens living in the territory of the state!
            1. +38
              21 May 2013 12: 06
              Quote: DAGESTANETS333
              Will it be on the drum - Sufism or Wahhabism? - take your drum, your laws and leave my land! And we will not interfere with each other.

              I live on my land, but yours have come too far beyond measure. So the question is who else is bothering anyone. I am addressing your words to yours:
              take your drum, your laws and leave my land!

              along with their hijabs.
              And in general, I am not against Muslims, I have many acquaintances and friends of the Tatars, but they, like you, the LCN, do not impose their religious clothes on anyone and do not try to establish their laws.
              Need a state within modern borders? - get ready to take into account the opinion of all citizens living in the territory of the state!

              To be honest, it would be nice to make you truly independent, including from huge subsidies from the Kremlin, subsidies, preferential taxes, etc.
              1. +17
                21 May 2013 12: 56
                leave my land!

                And who said that the Stavropol Territory is your land ???
                1. 0
                  21 May 2013 13: 14
                  Is the Stavropol Territory my land? - no, I have not heard! But Dagestan, this is my land.
                2. Lakkuchu
                  -5
                  21 May 2013 20: 00
                  Quote: colonel
                  And who said that the Stavropol Territory is your land ???

                  And what is your land? If we ask the question this way, then this is the native land of the Nogais, part of which the Russian troops slaughtered, and drove the remaining to the most infertile lands, the very best lands were distributed to the Cossacks and peasants from the central provinces. The same thing happened in the Kuban.
                  1. +6
                    21 May 2013 22: 53
                    Yes, ours. Russians plowed this land and Russians built cities on it. And the Russian troops came here to protect the Russians from the "raid culture" and the Nogai as well. And at the expense of "cut out" being cunning. If you are so fond of history, then ask why the Azov-Mozdok line of fortresses appeared at all.
                  2. Cossack23
                    -1
                    23 May 2013 05: 58
                    SOMETHING you are not there
                  3. +1
                    24 May 2013 16: 54
                    The Nogais themselves came to the North Caucasus only at the end of the 16th century. The first Russian settlements in the North Caucasus arose in the 11th century.
                    And no one would have touched the Nogais and the little finger (if they had not touched, for example, the Kalmyks), if it had not been for the stubborn desire of the Nogais to rob and plunder the South Russian lands.
                  4. 0
                    26 May 2013 09: 50
                    Quote: Lakkuchu
                    And what is your land? If so to pose the question, then this is the original land of the Nogais

                    Dig deeper is the land of the Alans! However, Ossetians do not tell anyone that this is our land! Live today...
              2. +6
                21 May 2013 13: 09
                Quote: anip
                I live on my land, but yours have come too far beyond measure. So the question is who else is bothering anyone. I am addressing your words to yours:

                - Greetings from the mountainous region of Dagestan!

                Quote: anip
                however, they, like you, LCN, do not impose their religious clothes on anyone and do not try to establish their laws
                - Every Muslim should try to observe Islamic ethics whenever possible. But since we want a state, we need to take into account the opinion of all citizens: not to apply for the judicial and executive system of Sharia, (for the rest, almost all laws and regulations are similar). But the robe, in fact, is one of the fundamental points of Islam! But I don’t understand one thing - what exactly does this robe interfere with Russian society? It does not interfere with personal identification (it is not necessary to hide your face and hands). And what does it interfere ??? In fact, the problem is, and only that, non-Muslims of Russia do not like the self-identification (from a cultural point of view) of wearing hijabs! The hijab, by itself, does NOT interfere with Russian statehood and does not contradict the constitution! Of course, I am a fan of Russian culture .. but I have a question - in Russia only Russian culture has the right to be?


                Quote: anip
                To be honest, it would be nice to make you truly independent, including from huge subsidies from the Kremlin, subsidies, preferential taxes, etc.
                - Yes, indeed, why do not we Russians gather our will, and hold a referendum - find out who, how and with whom he wants to live.
                1. -1
                  21 May 2013 14: 10
                  Quote: DAGESTANETS333
                  Only Russian culture has the right to be?

                  It has another way, but it's not your business, sit at home and sniff quietly, otherwise you are always offended. You need a thorn. Not from evil, just in case.
                  1. +2
                    21 May 2013 14: 19
                    I did not understand - who is referring to?
                    1. +3
                      21 May 2013 14: 34
                      can’t you see in the mirror? They say that there are no bad nations, but degenerates. I don’t agree, there are nations insolent to insanity, this refers to the Caucasus, and there are no good and bad ones, there are burnt monkeys.
                      1. -5
                        21 May 2013 14: 58
                        Quote: regin
                        can’t you see in the mirror? They say that there are no bad nations, but degenerates. I don’t agree, there are nations insolent to insanity, this refers to the Caucasus, and there are no good and bad ones, there are burnt monkeys.
                        - And what exactly is the madness and arrogance of the Caucasus expressed in that we want to live according to Islam, try to dress according to Islam and do not bother anyone? (radicals and thugs do not matter).
                        Quote: regin
                        It has another way, but it's none of your business, sit at home and sniff quietly
                        - why do other cultures have bravo, but ours not? Are we second grade?
                        Quote: regin
                        otherwise you’re always offended. For the thorn you need
                        - why, we are not offended at all, we felt very good during the Union, for example, until the collapse of the Union embittered the Russians, and they began to look for the cause of their failures in others, and this was when everyone started to blush ...

                        Friends are known not only in joy.
                      2. +8
                        21 May 2013 16: 47
                        Quote: DAGESTANETS333
                        - why do other cultures have bravo, but ours not? Are we second grade?

                        And no one speaks about the first and second grades, we have been living together with the Tatars for many centuries, we live now. Your brother has many problems, has become too impudent, for the simple reason that our main tolera is in your homies, your permission for good is not will lead, that's why you need to be isolated, you don’t want to live by human laws, do you want to achieve respect? so do not worry, learn to live like the indigenous majority live. I will not show personal tolerance for you, it costs too much.
                      3. Larus
                        +10
                        21 May 2013 17: 21
                        and what exactly is the madness and arrogance of the Caucasus expressed in that we want to live according to Islam, try to dress according to Islam and do not bother anyone?

                        Dress as you like at home, no one forbids, but because we have a secular state, that is, the general rules of life for all, and not as you want. Well, what about you do not interfere, they made fun, because. you can’t hear one by one, but if in a group, then everyone hears you and sees your behavior. For example, I never had the desire to fry barbecue in a parking lot near a high-rise building and at the same time yell with my compass.
                      4. +1
                        21 May 2013 19: 24
                        You write well in Russian. Well done. I'm serious.
                      5. +1
                        21 May 2013 19: 47
                        HM thank you. Glad to. For a former threesome, probably not bad. It’s good that at least there is Google)) ...
                  2. -10
                    21 May 2013 14: 40
                    Quote: regin
                    It has another way, but it's not your business, sit at home and sniff quietly, otherwise you are always offended. You need a thorn. Not from evil, just in case.

                    Damn, weird, hate each other, get separated. What's the problem ?? well, I still understand how we and the Armenians agree when everyone agrees, just the land question arose, but Chechnya, Dagestan, etc. are obviously not native Russian lands and Russians themselves do not consider them as such. What is the problem?
                    But here the West has nothing to do, the Russians themselves will do everything.
                    1. +6
                      21 May 2013 21: 31
                      Secession of the North Caucasus will not solve the problem. Separated from Tajikistan, Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan. So what? Are there fewer representatives of these peoples in Russia? On the contrary, more. Many of them are worse at home than in "foreign" Russia. This means that we will have to close the border for them, and deport those in Russia. Well, after all, this is impossible to do and this is contrary to the Russian spirit and worldview. We have always been tolerant of those who were our neighbor. Unless, of course, he started to become impudent. So respect us for who we are, respect Russian fate and we will repay you in kind.
                      1. +4
                        21 May 2013 22: 40
                        Wow ... the adept appeared in the studio ... ... amazed!
                        Quote: evfrat
                        this is contrary to the Russian spirit and worldview. We have always been tolerant of those who were our neighbor.
                        - only faith in this factor will keep other nations in the sphere of your civilization.

                        Quote: evfrat
                        So respect us the way we are, respect the Russian fate
                        - and respected! And some psychos, even love, and bow low to the initiators of the greatest civilization!

                        It’s a pity that the children have minded me, only because I mentioned my unshakable values, but my values ​​do not bother anyone ... Children tend to see only a fragment of the mosaic.
                    2. 3 inches.
                      0
                      23 May 2013 09: 35
                      everything is not so simple. It can be separated - this is not a problem. But what will these highlanders live for? There is no industry. the land in the mountains will not give birth to much, poor. why did the Caucasus have to take Russia under their own hands? yes because of constant raids.
                2. Georgs
                  +11
                  21 May 2013 15: 29
                  Quote: DAGESTANETS333
                  but I have a question - in Russia only Russian culture has the right to be?

                  No need to juggle. Nobody prejudices national cultures in Russia. Another thing is that some of them either degenerate or are absent in principle. And I do not mean traditions, but culture. For example: there is a Dagestan poet (although he is deceased, but still there), a literary lump, one might say, Rasul Gamzatov (whether he is yours or not, you decide between yourself there). This is a national cultural surge. Who oppressed this brightest phenomenon of national culture? Denied? Is that the Dagestanis themselves. Is he, like (if not confusing), Avar? But the Lezgins declared that he was unpopular with them, "not quoted", you see! So, at the expense of only Russian culture, this is too much. Generate outstanding representatives and contribute to the all-Russian cultural fund instead of rampant terrorism and robbery. And then your passionarity is all with a minus sign for now. Or else: point to an outstanding cultural phenomenon among the Chechen people. Bright, original, iconic. It is? Whom do pupils go to in Chechen schools? Who to be proud of? Historical bandos and terrorist Shamil? So this is not a cultural phenomenon. No, of course one could recall Makhmud Esymbaev (I hope he wrote it correctly) - a great dancer. But I am afraid that this is not a representative of a national, but rather a global culture. So, "what do you have to object to the resistance of the cosine to the sine"?
                  1. +1
                    21 May 2013 15: 50
                    This is all, of course, good, and I agree with you, but could you reason the same way on the acceptability of the hijab? What do you think on this subject, based on what I said above?
                    1. Georgs
                      +6
                      21 May 2013 16: 04
                      Quote: DAGESTANETS333
                      This is all, of course, good, and I agree with you, but could you reason the same way on the acceptability of the hijab? What do you think on this subject, based on what I said above?

                      Here everything can be clearly laid out on the shelves: in national schools of national formations, children wear clothes determined by national traditions. Outside of their national entities must use a "civilian" school uniform, approved by the relevant state. body.
                      1. -9
                        21 May 2013 16: 26
                        That is, if I am in Dagestan, the law is one for me, and if I go, for example, to Kamchatka, then the law is different? I get it.
                      2. +11
                        21 May 2013 17: 06
                        Quote: GeorGS
                        in national schools of national education, children wear clothing that is conditioned by national traditions

                        It’s wrong in the root. A school is a place where students can stand out among others only with knowledge and nothing more.
                        A uniform school uniform for all, without exception, in all subjects of the state. I came without a uniform and did not want to be allowed to attend classes. I don’t want to obey, let the uneducated go, do not give out an education certificate, cleaners and janitors are also needed.
                      3. +2
                        21 May 2013 17: 22
                        Quote: baltika-18
                        It’s wrong in the root. A school is a place where students can stand out among others only with knowledge and nothing more.
                        A uniform school uniform for all, without exception, in all subjects of the state. I came without a uniform and did not want to be allowed to attend classes. I don’t want to obey, let the uneducated go, do not give out an education certificate, cleaners and janitors are also needed.

                        The problem is that each autonomy has its own government, even here we have our own government in Gorky, but the Aurora Netu!
                3. +5
                  21 May 2013 18: 25
                  Quote: DAGESTANETS333
                  But the robe, in fact, is one of the fundamental points of Islam!

                  Well, you can wear hijabs without going to extremes.
                  Turkey, Tunisia, Tajikistan and Azerbaijan, although populated predominantly by Muslims, prohibit wearing hijabs in government offices, schools and universities.

                  Kyrgyzstan, Kazakhstan .. like Muslim countries but do not inflate from the "elephant fly" completely do without wearing hijabs and married women tie headscarves .... but go to extremes .. maybe not worth it.
                  (By extreme, I mean fanning a scandal by not wearing a hijab to school or government agencies)
                  1. +2
                    21 May 2013 21: 35
                    Until recently, a Russian woman was also obliged to cover her head and legs ankle-deep, only the Russians fell away from their faith.
            2. +20
              21 May 2013 13: 26
              Quote: DAGESTANETS333
              Absolutely right! - they will begin to forbid me my religion, in my own land - I will resist!

              Will it be on the drum - Sufism or Wahhabism? - take your drum, your laws and leave my land! And we will not interfere with each other.

              Need a state within modern borders? - get ready to take into account the opinion of all citizens living in the territory of the state!


              Oh, how you say it right !!! But dear, pass on the same to your fellow tribesmen - so that they do not climb into our regions with their orders! You live in Dagestan with your customs - and live on, and since he came to us, don’t get conceited, and don’t try to impose your orders !!! And then wait ... we do not climb to you with radical Orthodoxy !!!
              1. +8
                21 May 2013 14: 14
                I transmit, I relentlessly transmit! I do not have a habit to impose, especially radicalism. And our customs (in any case, valid) do not differ from the Constitution of the Russian Federation.
                1. +3
                  21 May 2013 16: 51
                  Quote: DAGESTANETS333
                  And our customs (in any case, valid) do not differ from the Constitution of the Russian Federation.

                  Shooting at weddings? Carrying and using knives?
                  1. +11
                    21 May 2013 19: 10
                    Quote: regin
                    Shooting at weddings?
                    - in my opinion, these are superfluous show-offs, and it is illegal. Must be punished.
                    Quote: regin
                    Carrying and using edged weapons?
                    - Let them wear and apply, but only those who are required by law.
                    1. 0
                      21 May 2013 19: 16
                      A rare case, but to you +. Sound and business!
                      1. 0
                        21 May 2013 19: 51
                        And, so you can adequately look at things? I'm in shock ...
                    2. +1
                      22 May 2013 15: 54
                      Quote: DAGESTANETS333
                      those who are required by law.

                      Put +, but they wanted to spit on the laws, these are savages.
                    3. +1
                      23 May 2013 21: 14
                      there is no smoke without fire, people are not just not happy, there are facts! Well, as for you personally, DAGESTANETS333, if you are of course not dissembling, then such respect! (for those who want to live in peace and harmony). The most important thing is mutual respect, but unfortunately something else prevails among representatives from the Caucasus. Therefore, the Russian population is dissatisfied, as a result, we also have all kinds of "bad" skinheads and others! May God give us the strength to overcome everything!
                      1. 0
                        24 May 2013 08: 41
                        Quote: Nachkar237
                        God give us the strength to overcome everything!

                        - amen!
              2. -2
                21 May 2013 20: 12
                Radical Orthodoxy. And where does it come from? There is no religion kinder and friendlier. Buddhists don't give a damn about their neighbor. Islam is the youngest and most daring, born of war and for war.
                1. 0
                  26 May 2013 16: 55
                  Something I blurted out, or what? An atheist himself, unbaptized (there was no church in Severodvinsk, some bastards destroyed the grandmother in the village). Children in different ways relate to religion. But baptized ... The rite must be observed. What are my cons?
            3. +5
              21 May 2013 16: 57
              Quote: DAGESTANETS333
              Will it be on the drum - Sufism or Wahhabism? - take your drum, your laws and leave my land! And we will not interfere with each other.

              What a zealous .....
              Your land is not and never will be. The whole earth belongs to God (Allah), forgot?
              Do not put your faith on display and you will be happy. Believe in peace and quiet ...
              With such hidden anger in your soul, you cannot see you in the next world gourii as your ears.
              1. +1
                21 May 2013 19: 06
                Quote: baltika-18
                Your land is not and never will be. The whole earth belongs to God (Allah), forgot?
                - Wow! I realized - you are the most, most intelligent! And then what on God’s land, for example in central Russia, they look at my mosques and my clothes wryly?
                Quote: baltika-18
                Do not put your faith on display and you will be happy. Believe in peace and quiet
                - right! But I’m not going to stubbornly hide the attributes of my faith, which do not bother anyone, for example, from you.
                Quote: baltika-18
                With such hidden anger in your soul, you can’t see in the next world guria as your ears
                - Well, since you are such a large-scale specialist in this field, I agree that I am alone here - a petty, evil soul, and all the rest here are white, white fluffies ...
            4. +2
              21 May 2013 21: 15
              the same can and must be said by us - the Orthodox.
            5. +1
              22 May 2013 16: 21
              Comrade DAGESTAN333, I didn’t give you a minus - maybe you said your words on a platoon without understanding. But I’ll enter into a polemic with you - the land on which you live, and the state of which you are a citizen is called RUSSIA. If you are not satisfied with its laws and drums - no one will forcibly hold you.
              And no offense - but remember why Russia at one time annexed the Caucasus, which was completely unnecessary to her.
              The question is not about banning Islam, but about the fact that various Islamic sects should
              Quote: DAGESTANETS333
              take into account the opinion of all citizens living in the state
              1. +1
                22 May 2013 16: 58
                Andrei, pay attention, I was just trying to find out what people see the specific problem of hijab. But here on our site how, two or three frantic people didn’t like the post - minusanuli - and let's add 50 more by inertia to minus ... People don’t need a construct, they act according to the patterns - now it doesn’t matter who Sunni, Sufist , Wahhabi ... you see them on the drum ... and by the way, each direction has a rather different attitude to himsman! Doesn't that matter?
                Well, what could I say? If they row me under one comb with terrorugs? What should I do? Of course then, we, normal Dagestan Muslims will want a separation from Russia, which we are on the drum! If we are on the drum for someone, then why not leave our land together with our jurisdiction? Are my opinions not fair?
                I just suggested discussing with the citizens the acceptability of the hijab, and they tried to stupidly shut me up (they say your extremist little things are unnecessary in Russia) ... is that fair? Who said hijab is an extremist manifestation? It should be worn by all Muslim women, it is written in our Koran.
                But the world exists on compromises, and in order to avoid turmoil, you need to partially compromise your values. Out of so many visitors to the site, only one DMB (see below) bothered to discuss the problem with me in a normal and reasoned manner.
                1. +1
                  22 May 2013 21: 52
                  2 Rowing under one comb "of course is impossible. You always have to figure out what a particular person is in a particular case. It is not for nothing that they say that the first impression is deceptive.
                  as for hijab - yes, there seems to be such a tradition in Islam (I beg your pardon, but I don't really understand this religion). But no one prevents women from wearing it where this tradition is considered the norm - for example, in Dagestan. Why flaunt it all over the country? The same religious Jews study normally in their Jewish schools, and there they can calmly behave as their traditions dictate to them. Why shouldn't Muslims do the same - it's not difficult. And such a "show-off" tradition (don't be offended) only irritates the rest of society. So what I treat exactly any religions and nationalities, but I am frankly infuriated that in St. Petersburg, on its outskirts, Polkavkaz settled and are beginning to impose their traditions on the LOCAL population.
                  Why can't Russian girls dress as they like for fear of meeting a "resident from the Caucasus" in St. Petersburg ?! And Caucasian girls dress as they want without fear of anything ?! Where is the justice ?!
                  So you need to either look for a solution that somehow suits everyone - or make a decision for the majority of the Russian-Russian population.
                  If not right - correct.
                  Sorry to hurt you - but religious and national issues are difficult to discuss.
                  1. -1
                    23 May 2013 09: 11
                    Quote: Andrew-001
                    But no one prevents women from wearing it where this tradition is considered the norm - for example, in Dagestan. Why flaunt it all over the country?
                    - dear Andrei, in fact, if you follow Islam, dress appropriately, it is necessary, regardless of where you are. Then just honestly forbid the Muslims who decided to dress Islamic, move around the Russian territories of Russia ... - is absurd! - agree?
                    Quote: Andrew-001
                    And such a "show-off tradition" (don't be offended) only irritates the rest of society
                    - Window dressing in Islam is considered sinful. There are such cases. But what if it is not a desire to stick out its feature, but a simple necessity?
                    I’m frankly enraged that in St. Petersburg, on its outskirts, half of the Caucasus settled and begin to impose their traditions on the local population
                    - to impose their values, I think no one has the right.
                    Why can't Russian girls dress as they like for fear of meeting a "resident from the Caucasus" in St. Petersburg ?! And Caucasian girls dress as they want without fear of anything ?! Where is the justice ?!
                    - if so, then there is no justice here. It is necessary to restore justice - let everyone dress as he wishes, within the framework of ethics.
          2. +1
            21 May 2013 21: 14
            No, not on the drum. If you at least read the collection of Idris Shah, you will understand how far the Sufis are not only from any violence against the individual and extremism, but also from the traditional forms of Islam or Christianity.
        3. Georgs
          +10
          21 May 2013 14: 50
          Quote: DAGESTANETS333
          - Sufism and Wahhabism are now one and the same? Do not be stupid and learn materiel!

          Well, well, we don’t need it here! .. It’s you among yourself who figure out who is hu. To Orthodox Russians, this "materiel" is up to an icon lamp, to put it vulgarly. You would better all together your religion diligently and thoughtfully studied (and not crammed, for example, pieces from the Koran and prayer, not understanding their hidden meaning). And then, you see, teach them "materiel". And that all Abrahamic monotheisms are one whole, but for different peoples in different languages, so before that, you see, the bulk of Muslims have not yet matured and the Good News, sent by Allah, turned into godless bloody idolatry. Faith must be enlightened, otherwise it is not a faith, but a cult like medieval Catholicism with its Inquisition, or the current brutal bandit pseudo-Islam.
          1. +4
            21 May 2013 15: 08
            Quote: GeorGS
            a cult like medieval Catholicism with its inquisition

            Or medieval Orthodoxy, struggling with paganism, schismaticism and Uniate?
            1. mansur
              +7
              21 May 2013 15: 37
              Unknown in Astrakhan burned 15 cars with Dagestan and Chechen numbers
              Now employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs are searching for intruders committing arson in Astrakhan. This was announced on Tuesday by the portal Life News. The latest case of arson of cars with Caucasian numbers was recorded on May 19. Prior to this, unknowns burned another 15 cars with Dagestan and Chechen license plates.

              Weight goes to quarrel and divide
              And people are already boiling
              1. +8
                21 May 2013 17: 26
                am
                Quote: mansur
                people are already boiling

                Exactly! A little more and they will start to burn together with the passengers! Someone began to think that the patience and kindness of Russians is endless? Let them read about Germany at the beginning of 1945! There is more and more "kindness" in our hearts. Who knows which drop will be the last?
                1. botsman-palych
                  +21
                  21 May 2013 19: 14
                  And the young generation of highlanders simply DOESN'T KNOW this. At school they are not taught this, the mullahs arriving from Egypt, they tell them: the Russians are drunken, lazy, degrading nation, they pissed off their state - so our time has come ... Muscovy, leaving you their cities, universities and nightclubs! Nobody tells them what will happen when the patience of the Russians runs out - it is clear why. When I was on the site magas.ru - in response to the calls that were heard there in the comments: "CUTTING THESE HOMES-COSSACKS" - wrote that before them there were many idiots who considered Russia weak, drunk, lazy, and these were much stronger and more terrible flocks of "Caucasian youth". I asked them if they knew what happened to these assholes. Not that they didn't answer - they were afraid to post my post. They are brave only when they are outnumbered and confident of impunity. And they are afraid to even think about rebuff. You should have seen how the "brave horsemen" change when they are taken by the Russian OMON: both snot, and drooling, and "we will not be anymore" ... They once danced a lezginka in Stavropol near the Salyut cinema until 2 am, bravely sending on passers-by - until a group of men in black arrived and without a word shot them from a traumatic (for now) weapon. The horsemen ran to complain where do you think? That's right - in the then police. And these black "criminals" were found - they kindled ethnic strife! And after a while, in the very center of the city, where there is no crowding among people and cars, in broad daylight, at a bus stop opposite the Almaz store, a white "six" brakes, Caucasians come out of it with Kalashnikov assault rifles and begin to imitate shooting at passers-by in all directions ... My friend, who saw it PERSONALLY, does not understand weapons - mb. these were pneumatic AKM models. This is not the point, as you understand. And the point was the reaction of the police to this. A friend, hiding behind the wall of the bus stop, calls from her mobile to 02. The regional department and the regional police department are 400 meters from the scene. She remembered the words of the person on duty forever: "Don't worry. WE KNOW. THE GUYS JUST BREAK!"
                  We will discuss on whose side "power" is? Unless - for what reasons ...
                  1. +2
                    21 May 2013 20: 54
                    Quote: botsman-palych
                    We will discuss on whose side is "power"?

                    We will be! For one case of pissed or corrupt cops, all police officers should not be judged! Moreover, the case is old. The police, like the army, are part of the people. And set up just like the people. I'm talking about Russian regions and I'm in the subject, believe me!
            2. Georgs
              +1
              21 May 2013 15: 57
              Quote: Spade
              Or medieval Orthodoxy, struggling with paganism, schismaticism and Uniate?

              There were excesses in the field. Of course they did. But still the scale was smaller.
              And here, by the way: the Old Believer Orthodox Church is now quite in favor. With the paganism, the Russian Orthodox Church has always fought, fights and will fight, but, of course, ideologically and not medievally.
          2. +2
            21 May 2013 15: 14
            Quote: GeorGS
            Well, well, we don’t need it here! .. It’s you among yourself who figure out who is hu. To Orthodox Russians, this "materiel" is to the lamp, vulgarly speaking
            - a rather frivolous proposition. We understood each other for a long time. But your reluctance to understand who is who can lead to tragedy. The rest I agree.
            1. Georgs
              +3
              21 May 2013 15: 50
              Quote: DAGESTANETS333
              - a rather frivolous proposition. We understood each other for a long time. But your reluctance to understand who is who can lead to tragedy.

              The judgment is based on everyday creepy facts spilling from all sides. And how you deal with each other every day on TV to see. On a global scale, so to speak. For an Orthodox person, it is enough to simply belong to the Muslim faith. And if he is a true Muslim (and I personally have such good friends - the sweetest and kindest people, many Orthodox are far from them), no additional showdown in the differences is required. The Orthodox have all sorts of subtleties in their interpretations of Scripture, and they themselves have enough. There was still not enough worries to get into the jungle of related religions. There are canonical scriptures, and there are well-known teachings from the prophets. All. And the fact that some rogues from religion have interpreted themselves to benefit and woe to the people - this is already the sphere of investigation of the power structures, and in a particularly deranged state of the self-defense forces. This is already the question of leading to tragedy. Incidentally, the Christian church fathers have a saying: "You cannot theologize from the wind of your head." And this, it seems to me, can be attributed to any modern monotheism.
            2. +4
              21 May 2013 15: 56
              Quote: DAGESTANETS333
              rather frivolous judgment. We understood each other for a long time. But your reluctance to understand who is who can lead to tragedy.

              We also have to think deeply about your beliefs ?! Understood - continue to wet each other! And who among you is Shiite, Sunni, Wahhabi - it doesn’t matter to us at all! You build mosques, hodzhabs and other crap in Russia, you cut sheep on the street, do you like to shoot from cars? PREPARE !!! Russia slowly harnessed, but fast ride! am
              1. 0
                21 May 2013 16: 21
                Quote: matRoss
                We also have to think deeply about your beliefs ?!
                - Well .., I thought, in order to determine who is ready to live in Russia normally and who is not, it is necessary to understand who is who ...

                Quote: matRoss
                Understood - continue to wet each other! And who among you is Shiite, Sunni, Wahhabi - it doesn’t matter to us at all!
                - Now it’s very clear to me your attitude towards Muslims. No questions.
                Quote: matRoss
                You build mosques, hodzhabs and other crap in Russia, you cut sheep on the street, do you like to shoot from cars? PREPARE !!! Russia slowly harnessed, but fast ride!
                - first determine in your head - what is Russia, then show me the map, and then we will determine - will I build mosques in Russia, wear hijabs ... Aha?
                1. +2
                  21 May 2013 16: 51
                  Quote: DAGESTANETS333
                  I thought, in order to determine who is ready to live normally in Russia and who is not, it is necessary to understand who is who ...

                  Yes, all live, the problem is not who, but how! They lived in the USSR — and now no one is against the same principles.
                  Quote: DAGESTANETS333
                  first determine in your head what Russia is, then show the map to me, and then we will determine whether I will build mosques in Russia
                2. +2
                  21 May 2013 16: 59
                  Quote: DAGESTANETS333
                  first determine in your head what Russia is, then show me the map, and then we will determine whether I will build mosques in Russia, wear hijabs ... Aha?

                  Not aha! The map of Russia is the same! This refers to the non-Muslim part, the Stavropol Territory, in particular.
                  And I don’t remember that I was lying with you under the fence! So, use the pronoun "you". And with a capital letter. Daragoy Dagistani dryug!
                  1. -1
                    21 May 2013 18: 49
                    Well, I still don’t understand what you call Russia .. but so that you know, I’ll follow Islam, build mosques, (women) wear hijabs in Dagestan in any situation: both within Russia and outside Russia!

                    Quote: matRoss
                    Daragoi Dagistani friend!
                    - and I used to really think that you were a friend, but it turned out that you are just another ...
                    1. +6
                      21 May 2013 20: 31
                      Quote: DAGESTANETS333
                      I will follow Islam, build mosques, (women) wear hijabs in Dagestan in any situation

                      Yes, you will not hear a word against! And in the Stavropol region and other RUSSIAN territories, minarets and hijabs are useless at all! We will not walk in cross processions in Dagestan and other republics, too, in bast shoes and kokoshniks, and we will not publicly slaughter pigs in Babayurt or Argun for barbecue. And in Makhachkala with the song "Oh, the viburnum is blooming" and shooting at the windows in cars, we won't go, so be it! And we expect about the same from you. Then there will be peace, friendship of peoples and complete internationalism. And we don't do that anymore! What about you? Are you testing our patience? And you don't need to hide behind your faith, it's a shame, you insult her yourself. Let everyone worship their gods. And remember that 25-30 years ago in our common homeland, almost everyone without exception was atheists. Soviet people who respect each other.
                    2. dmb
                      +6
                      21 May 2013 20: 55
                      Bravo Magomed, hello. I really thought that you gave up (after one of your last comments) and left the site. And despite the fact that I disagree with you in some ways, we have more in common. First, about what I disagree with. Hijabs In this historical period of the existence of our country, this is not just a respect for customs or a tribute to fashion. You can accuse me of conspiracy theories, but this is one of the elements of the ongoing work to divide the once generally united Soviet society. Let me give you one simple example. In Soviet times, in Central Asia, schoolchildren, along with a pioneer tie, wore skullcaps in schools, and no one cared about this. It was a tradition that did not divide people along ethnic lines. Russians also wore them. Now remember, in Soviet times, in your class, did anyone wear a cap or a fur hat? Even if it had occurred to someone not as a joke, but in earnest, then even before the teacher made a remark to him, his classmates would have tortured him. I'm not talking about beshmet. Yes, not a headscarf, but at least my classmates Chechens and Ingush wore a rim, but their skirts were sometimes shorter than those of the Russians. And all the local cultural elite studied at our school. It's just that the Caucasus has largely adopted the European style of behavior. Now we are being divided. with the help of religion, reminding of old grievances and inciting ethnic hatred. The principle of "divide and conquer" in all its glory. Alibek wrote well below about the hijabs. There is no point in repeating his weighty arguments. Sincerely.
                      1. +1
                        22 May 2013 09: 09
                        Hello, Dmitry! Glad to read you!
                        Quote: dmb
                        this is one of the elements of the ongoing work to divide the once-whole unified Soviet society
                        - Come on, Dmitry, look at us, do we really look like society? - Yes, we have become a gang with mottos; "my hut is on the edge!", "my nation is the coolest!" ...
                        If a serious analysis confirms that wearing a hijab will have a destructive effect on the state and Russian society, then I am ready to give up this attribute that is necessary for me. But I am sure that covering the female half with decent clothes does no harm.
                      2. dmb
                        +5
                        22 May 2013 10: 54
                        Hello, am I arguing with you? I wrote that, in general, the Society was earlier, and now it is being successfully broken, and despite the welcoming cries of a part of the population, the current government is primarily to blame for this. Actually, and least of all she needs this society. For it will be very difficult for a united people to explain Serdyukov and Livanov, Chubais and Kudrin. As for the notorious hijabs. I repeat, be society united in its aspirations. I, too, would not see a big trouble in wearing them at school, but in my opinion. I emphasize, in my opinion, this is due not so much to religiosity (which, of course, is also present, but less often), but to the desire to show that they belong to a certain group. This is from the same category as the Lezginka in Ryazan Square. After all, young people are dancing there not because they feel the need to dance, but in order to show: "We are together, we are stronger, we can do it." Do they often dance on the street in Makhachkala for no reason? All of us living in the Caucasus know what a man's headdress is, who. when and in front of whom he should shoot, and who should not. Now look at the meeting of the State Duma or the Government. Well, you won't say that the deputies from the Caucasus are completely atheists or do not respect customs. Or that they are forbidden to sit in a hat in the hall. It's just NOT ACCEPTED. So it is NOT ACCEPTED at school to distinguish oneself on religious and ethnic grounds. By the way, Orthodox women must also walk with their heads covered, and they do. But to church or Sunday school. And that is their choice. It is for this reason that I don’t like the fact that today the church (no matter what confession) is actively getting involved in state functions. This is both the army and education. This separates us even more.
                      3. -3
                        22 May 2013 12: 13
                        Quote: dmb
                        in my opinion this is connected not so much with religiosity as with the desire to show one’s belonging to a certain group
                        - incredible ..! really someone can put on a Zhidzhab for the sake of showing off, for the sake of "peculiarity" and show-off ... I didn't even think about it ... If so, then it's very bad. But what to do? How to distinguish between those who really need it from a spiritual point of view ..?
                        Quote: dmb
                        It's just NOT ACCEPTED. Here at the school it is NOT ACCEPTED to distinguish oneself according to religious and national signs
                        - but at the expense of "NOT ACCEPTED", I think it is necessary to issue a law, and so that it does not infringe upon the religious feelings of citizens, and so that the state does not suffer damage.
                      4. dmb
                        +5
                        22 May 2013 13: 42
                        I'll try to continue. Tell me which society was more moral and compassionate to your neighbor: the atheistic Soviet or the current one, which they are trying to make clerical. This is not at all about believing in God badly or well, but simply stating a fact. Did believing parents instilling love for their neighbors in their children contradicted what was said in the atheistic school. There, too, they did not call for short skirts and piercings. At the same time, everything was done without the demonstrative wearing of hijabs. That is why I am sure that the hijab, yarmulke, or kosovorotka is not a show-off, but a more serious action aimed precisely at further dividing society according to national apartments. Our multinational state can exist only in one single case, the church is separated from the state. And to believe or not in God is a personal matter for everyone. Otherwise, we will continue to receive clumsy laws, like a fresh one about insulting religious feelings. With him we will break the wood.
                      5. +1
                        22 May 2013 15: 20
                        Quote: dmb
                        this is not a "show-off", but a more serious action aimed precisely at the further division of society according to the national apartments
                        - hmm ... instead of saying such a phrase-argument, they started stupidly destroying me here ... I completely agree with the argument. In order to avoid a fundamental split in society, we will have to adhere to common values.

                        Dmitry, reading you and Mayros, I want to think about the high ...)))

                        Thanks buddy!
                      6. dmb
                        +1
                        22 May 2013 20: 13
                        I am glad that we find a common language. And not so much for us (we basically did not lose it) as for those who sincerely, I emphasize sincerely disagree with us. If these are people with a valid opinion, they have something to think about, and this is already a success.
                      7. 0
                        24 May 2013 11: 06
                        Quote: DAGESTANETS333
                        In order to avoid a fundamental split in society, we will have to adhere to common values.

                        Well, thank God, or Allah! Our Muslim brother heard us !!
                3. His
                  +6
                  21 May 2013 17: 09
                  Sometimes I want to sing in the words of Vysotsky on the topic of faith in at least Allah, even in Jesus, etc. etc. But we have a secular state and religion is separated by law from state affairs. And this must be maintained. Otherwise, there will be internal interfaith wars in a single country. Moreover, it is necessary to move space and science rather than listen to the mule at night and in the evening, otherwise I don’t know elementary things
                  1. -4
                    21 May 2013 18: 35
                    Quote: Own
                    we have a secular state and religion is separated by law from state affairs
                    - I agree, but let the state not interfere in religion, too, prohibiting completely neutral attributes, I'm talking about hijab.

                    Quote: Own
                    Vysotsky’s words on the topic, believe even in Allah, even in Jesus, etc.

                    - the word (Allah) of course you wrote with a small letter, quite by accident .., yes, of course by accident ...
                4. +4
                  25 May 2013 13: 25
                  Buy a map of Russia in a bookstore, especially a historical atlas, and start educating! According to the composition of the population of Russia: Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians, (Slavs or non-Muslims in general) more than 85% of the population, Muslims (Dagestanis, Chechens, Kabardians, Ingush ...) no more than 10% !!! The rest are not Muslims either !!! Now look where you can build mosques and wear hijabs, and where you shouldn't !!! So often you write "my land", "on my land", and so on "your land" no one forbids your religion, but we certainly do not need it !!! I don’t go to you in Dagestan with sermons, I don’t force you to celebrate Orthodox Easter ... You must finally understand that the Russians are against you precisely because of your behavior and attitude towards non-Muslims !!! You get too bold: you are going for permanent residence in a primordially Russian region, and as guests you try your own rules and customs ... if that is your religion, then sit at home and do not stick your head out !!! Personally, I'm tired of these conversations !!! On good terms, you do not understand, and discussing 1 Muslim with 9 non-Muslims his whims is not reasonable, but impudent, despite the fact that nothing is forbidden to him at home !!! If you Muslims really do not like living with us, so separate if you can! you will howl the first! History has shown after the collapse of the USSR how "it became easier to live" for the Balts ... and for others too !!!

                  On the example of Dagestan:

                  Dagestan is one of the most subsidized regions of the Russian Federation. In 2011, the subsidy level of Dagestan increased by 3% in annual terms and amounted to 72,8% of the republican budget.
                  In 2011, the budget of Dagestan was executed on revenues in the amount of 66,3 billion rubles, on expenditures - in the amount of 70,2 billion rubles. The budget deficit is 3,9 billion rubles. 79,7% of the republican budget revenues - gratuitous receipts
                  1. -2
                    27 May 2013 16: 43
                    Muslims (Dagestanis, Chechens, Kabardins, Ingush ...) not more than 10% !!! The rest are also not Muslims !!! Now, look where you can build mosques and wear hijabs, and where you shouldn’t do this !!!
                    - Based on what law of the Russian Federation, I do not have the right, in the territory of the Russian Federation (in any part) (where there is a permit), to build mosques and adhere to the norms of my religion?
                    But I do not go to Dagestan with sermons to you, I do not force you to celebrate Orthodox Easter ...
                    - Am I forcing you to comply with the norms of Islam in the Russian Federation? And yet - on the basis of what law should I forbid (or resent) that you correct your religious holiday in any territory of the Russian Federation?
                    Understand you finally, Russians are turning against you precisely because of your behavior and attitude towards non-Muslims !!!
                    “We are obliged to show utmost respect to peaceful non-Muslims.” But non-Muslims are not inclined to distinguish between the currents of Islam. (different movements have a different understanding of coexistence with non-Muslims).
                    It turns out too fat for you: you go to permanent residence in the native Russian region, and as guests try your own customs and customs ...
                    - On the basis of what law should I distinguish ethnic characteristics of the territory of the same country in order to exercise my rights?
                    if this is your religion, then sit at home and do not lean out !!!
                    - Our religion obliges us to show utmost patience and peacefulness to other religions and unbelievers. But this statement does not find support among some currents of Islam.
                    Personally, I'm tired of these conversations !!! You don’t understand the good things, and discussing 1 Muslim with 9 non-Muslims of his whim is not reasonable, but brazenly,
                    - to solve emerging social problems, we need to be patient. I believe that compromising problems can be resolved equally acceptable to all members of society. The fact that Muslims are 10% does not mean that we can be neglected. However, we will be happy to comply with laws ensuring equality for all citizens of Russia.
                    despite the fact that he is not forbidden at home !!!
                    - Isn’t the law for me alone, are I at home, or are I outside the house, but on the territory of the Russian Federation ???
                    Dagestan is one of the most subsidized regions of the Russian Federation.
                    - financially, absolutely true!
              2. +10
                21 May 2013 16: 24
                Quote: matRoss
                Understood - continue to wet each other! And who among you is Shiite, Sunni, Wahhabi - it doesn’t matter to us at all!

                It would be understandable if they wet each other on the basis of some kind of philosophical assumptions, from an idea, and there everything is stupid because of the dough. That is the trick. For 2 centuries, Russia from the early Middle Ages, if not primitive, drags and they are in no hurry to cultivate, this is the most complex, lengthy process. In the meantime, stupidly not understanding the subtext of the suras, they are interpreted in such a way as to wet their neighbor and have more sheep than the non-native teip.
            3. 0
              21 May 2013 20: 22
              Have you been together for a long time? Now will you take us apart?
          3. +1
            21 May 2013 15: 44
            [quote = GeorGS] Abrahamic monotheisms [/ quote]
            What kind of beast is this? [Quote = GeorGS] and the Good News sent by Allah [/ quote]
            The Good News is the gospel in Greek. Mohammed was not Greek.
            quote = GeorGS] Faith must be enlightened [/ quote]
            Faith is just without knowledge, for example, how children believe.
            1. Georgs
              0
              21 May 2013 16: 18
              [quote = Uncle] [quote = GeorGS] Abrahamic monotheisms [/ quote]
              What kind of beast is this? [Quote = GeorGS] and the Good News sent by Allah [/ quote]
              The Good News is the gospel in Greek. Mohammed was not Greek.
              quote = GeorGS] Faith must be enlightened [/ quote]
              Faith is just without knowledge, for example, how children believe. [/ Quote]
              Dear, do not find fault with the form. Well, how was I supposed to expound a Muslim? In the rigid Orthodox canonical framework?
              And what does "faith without knowledge" mean? What knowledge do you mean? Is it necessary to know the Scriptures? Knowing the interpretation of the Church Fathers is not superfluous, is it? Isn't it necessary to know church traditions? Well, yes, I believe unconditionally and unconditionally. But nevertheless, thinking about faith, reading spiritual literature, paying attention to the word of the Primate ... Well, how can we go without it?
              Actually, this is what I had in mind when speaking of an enlightened faith.
              Yes, but about the "Abrahamic monotheisms" ... Gy-s! .. "Learn the materiel."
          4. 0
            21 May 2013 21: 54
            (instead of cramming, for example, pieces from the Koran and prayers, not understanding their hidden meaning).

            Does it speak Orthodox? Surprised ... to say the least ...
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      4. Ayrat M
        0
        27 May 2013 13: 46
        Sufism has nothing to do with Wahhabism. this is not an extremist trend, as indeed the Salafists (Wahhabis), far from all are as bloodthirsty and warlike as many people think.
      5. 0
        27 May 2013 21: 26
        There are no official statistics on a clear decrease in the number of Russian population in the region.


        Apparently the census is no longer counted if you need to wrap up a little phrase. The number of Russians remained exactly at the same level between 2002 and 2010.

        Why is the simple, but effective move-to declare Sufis (Wahhabis) a destructive anti-state sect



        And why doesn’t the idea come to your confusion that Sufis and Wahhabis are diametrically opposed groups? Sufis all the last time fought against the Wahhabis in the Caucasus.
    2. +18
      21 May 2013 08: 15
      Quote: Nevsky
      Political will hi


      It should come from the bottom, from the regions. Otherwise, the top, as our "helmsman" puts it, will "chew snot", look back at the West and the lurid "human rights defenders"

      1. +10
        21 May 2013 08: 40
        ps

        Unfortunately, I did not find domestic sources. I had to borrow from the "enemy" Saakashist.

        From 1 minutes 08 seconds.
        And 1 minute 59 seconds.

        Tkachev called on the Cossacks to squeeze out Caucasians.
      2. +8
        21 May 2013 14: 04
        <<< After this story (with the hijabs), the school director even had to resign from the school and leave the village, as she began to receive obvious threats against her. The parents of the girls themselves (mainly fathers, one of whom, by the way, at one time, law enforcement officers discovered the very same extremist literature) are trying to convince everyone that girls, as devout Muslim women themselves, want to go to school in hijabs, but this “self-desire” is more an attempt at a certain provocation is seen. >>>
        All this extremist behaves like this. HOW local (unfortunately, sometimes not only local) authorities ALLOW TO DO IT! Our notorious liberal tolerance for all sorts of scum has already set the teeth on edge. Even from the text of the article: the headmaster of the school began to receive threats, and extremist literature was found in one of the parents of girls - adoring hijabs. SO WHAT? Have you started a serious investigation and search for the authors of the threats? And the "bibliophile" - a fan of extremist literature has already been brought to justice? No matter how it is! Everything, for sure, was released on the brakes according to the principle - maybe it will resolve, or whatever happens, the school principal was advised to leave to the joy of the extremist scum that came in large numbers, who felt like a WINNER - you can continue to establish your own rules! It is not hard to imagine what awaits us with such a policy of the authorities and law enforcement agencies, and how Russians will survive in the future of STAVROPOLSTAN!
    3. Skiff
      +24
      21 May 2013 09: 41
      Political will .... So we always need someone with whom we can ask who we can hide behind and hope for.
      So gentlemen, comrades, make families of 2-3 children, do not drink, do not smoke, live more modestly, work hard, bring up children, namely; playing sports, teaching history, morally and spiritually develop and believe the next generation will not be so easy to drive out of your home, or to impose your opinion from outside.
      And another moment, if they oppress like this, then create local communities, squads, and education on the ground to support each other, the government will not come to the rescue, it has betrayed us for a long time !!!
      1. +3
        21 May 2013 13: 43
        So it needs to give birth more to it, but even if the government throws everything to chance, then we will not have enough time to spawn our chocks from the south, agree that if you feel the support of the authorities, there is confidence that no matter how difficult the situation is, you will not be left to their own devices.
      2. Borodko
        +4
        21 May 2013 15: 57
        speak correctly
        in the USSR it was all the same and some Wahhabis and hedgehogs
        authorities are stupid
      3. 0
        22 May 2013 12: 25
        Tell the truth brother!
    4. +5
      21 May 2013 12: 58
      Gorbachev - and what?
      And, not about symbolism should be discussed.
      Proud guys want to occupy their niche - we will give them the opportunity. The interfluve of Yana and Indigirka is the most suitable place in which the hot Caucasian guys can cool their ardor.
      About Sufis.
      Do not talk about what is unknown living on earth.
      Fraught.
    5. Georgs
      +3
      21 May 2013 14: 35
      Quote: Nevsky
      Political will

      Or to put it more precisely: paralysis of political will. But the possibility of certain muddy political games and maneuvers of the ruling elite, which does not take into account the exponentially increasing social and national social tension in the process of these games, cannot be ruled out.
    6. 0
      21 May 2013 23: 38
      Quote: Nevsky
      By the way, can we ask Gorbachev? It seems to be symbolic, here in the Stavropol Territory, Judas worked ... am

      I will say this, this is a complex problem, which is not only at the top but also everywhere. In our city, getting a resident from Central Asia a visa and permanent residence is easier than the same Russian from the same Asia, why corruption because. Driving near the parks, I see 20 janitors of Azeris on small plots of land, why? Yes, everything is simple, laundering days in the housing and communal services and free labor. Here, gathering in communities, yes yes, they have Azeri, Caucasian and other human rights organizations, why are there no organizations that protect the rights of Russians? Why, because all these sharashka were specially made in order to infringe on the rights and cover the criminals.

      Many will say right now, they say do not escalate the atmosphere, they say you want war? The war is already underway and if we do not come to our senses, then we will simply be genocide into a quiet one.
  2. +13
    21 May 2013 07: 30
    Russians today are being blamed for everything, all the more so today they aren’t united by anything.
    1. +49
      21 May 2013 08: 08
      I do not care who, as a Russian, considers me guilty of everything. It’s time, after the troubled years, to gain self-confidence and self-confidence. My opinion is that a true Russian should, at a minimum, not abuse vodka, give birth to at least three, build a house on his own land, have weapons legally in this house. Who will push us out of our land then?
      1. +15
        21 May 2013 08: 20
        Sergei, with all due respect, in the war, and now it is the war that does not defeat the fighter no matter how prolific he is, not a group of comrades united by any interest, but the whole society, the whole people as a whole. What a citizen of our country must do is understandable but the most important thing is that the people, in the person of the best representatives, should work out the idea of ​​an ideology that could unite and direct society to deal with new threats. Now, another time, the Soviet project of peaceful coexistence cannot work.
      2. Gari
        +6
        21 May 2013 10: 46
        Quote: sergey32
        My opinion is that a real Russian should at least not abuse vodka, give birth to at least three, build a house on his own land, have weapons legally in this house

        So lived - Terek Cossacks from the 16th century living in the Caucasus
      3. +13
        21 May 2013 11: 17
        Quote: sergey32
        My opinion is that a real Russian should at least not abuse vodka, give birth to at least three, build a house on his own land, have weapons legally in this house

        Speak correctly, dear. But it is necessary that such a Russian is not yet persecuted by the authorities. And then they receive their own from their own, and strangers grin and become impudent.
        1. +6
          21 May 2013 12: 40
          Quote: Egoza
          But it is necessary that such a Russian is not yet persecuted by the authorities. And then they receive their own from their own, and strangers grin and become impudent.

          Here! Gold words! Indigenous people betrayed by power! The dominance of Asians - state. policy!
    2. +8
      21 May 2013 12: 09
      And what kind of associations can we talk about?
      If as soon as they arise, then they are immediately covered by nationalism. An example of this is "RNE", "KRO". Even the Cossacks are not allowed to develop in full.
      I remember when RNU activists in black shirts walked around the city, it worked very well for the newcomers. They sat like mice.
      The state does not want to restore order, neither by the Ministry of Internal Affairs nor by any means ... Toothless!
      1. Skiff
        +8
        21 May 2013 14: 26
        A simple example, in the city of Dmitrov there is a public movement, called "Rusichi", priority, do not drink, do not smoke, play sports, support each other in situations, a simple example, sending SMS, or calls and within a short time dozens, and even further hundreds of young guys.
      2. +9
        21 May 2013 15: 42
        Toothlessness? I disagree. This is the policy of those in power. Any nationalistic manifestation on the part of newcomers (from lezginka screaming from the speakers in the middle of a sleeping city to murder) is everyday life. Any manifestation of Russian self-defense is extremism. As an example, a case from the life of the city of Stavropol. In 2008, a group of "guests" caught the outfit of PPSnikov in the northwest region. While the police acted according to their instructions, local teenagers stood up for the outfit. A fair fight ensued, during which one of the "guests" was killed. The next day, two Russian students of the medical academy (from the group where this "guest" studied) were stabbed to death on the threshold of this very academy. Many officials arrived in the city to investigate. And they figured it out ... A Russian boy was arrested, who at the time of the murder was with friends at a birthday party in Tatarka (a village near Stavropol). He was identified literally "by freckles on the composite" and so on. Need to explain the insanity of the situation? The people rose and marched along Lenin Street. But the OMON turned out to be on top, coped with the people. By the way, have you heard a lot about this case? And the boy was released "for lack of evidence."
    3. +3
      21 May 2013 13: 23
      Damn, and who should unite us? good uncle? WHO CAUCASUS UNITES? They organize themselves! Yourself !! So the Russians will learn so ... when they become a minority, I'm afraid. ((To hope that the state will do something in this regard is not worth it, most likely.
      A generation should grow up that from childhood will see that for the authorities Russians are just one of many and no more. Therefore, Moses led Jews in the wilderness for 40 years, so that all those who lived in slavery would die. So Russians from those who are accustomed to seeing in the Russian (Soviet) state a defender of their interests and their very existence should leave in due time - there is little sense from our peers, the majority still believe that some kind of power will come that will correct everything. I’m not coming, I'm afraid this will never happen.
      1. +5
        21 May 2013 15: 08
        Mairos
        Here are really golden words! I support your thought and supplement. All power is a priori alien to ordinary people. And I am deeply convinced that people in the government have no nationality. And Hitler killed Jews, borrowed money from them for weapons. And Jews run banks in the twentieth century willingly gave him a loan, knowing what this money goes to! And nationalism and self-identity are the lot of the common people. And ordinary people can deal with this themselves. It was so, and when we understand it, then we will make the authorities hear us!
  3. Nevsky
    +16
    21 May 2013 07: 39
    At all times, the South of Russia was insured by Novorossia (Southeast of Ukraine), I am already silent about Little Russia. Here and there, the mover and migration, and the Caucasian republics looked like such mono-regional centers, now they have good weight even on the scale of the whole of the Russian Federation. In addition, the loss of the Cossacks in 1917-1922 also played a role.
    1. +7
      21 May 2013 08: 36
      Quote: Nevsky
      In addition, the loss of the Cossacks in 1917-1922 also played a role.

      The Cossacks played a very large role in the Stavropol Territory and if there are people who want to revive it, then we need to help them in this entirely.
      I really liked the post of Sergey32, that's right!
      1. Larus
        +5
        21 May 2013 12: 46
        With this power, the Russian Cossacks will not be allowed to revive, because this will lead to conflicts on the borders with the republics, it will be rebuffed to. In the meantime, chock is moving chocks in Russian villages and Russians moving further inland.
    2. +1
      21 May 2013 12: 07
      Just Little Russia is the southeast of Ukraine, and New Russia is the Krasnodar Territory.
  4. Dima190579
    +3
    21 May 2013 07: 39
    A very complex and painful topic raised in the article reflects the global trend.
  5. +26
    21 May 2013 07: 39
    The author is 100% right and there is nothing to be offended here. If we ourselves Russians are not aware of this problem, then in 5-10 years, either the scenario of Yugoslavia or Syria awaits. But the state must take the necessary measures. If you can call it that, now it’s the second stage of the Cold War — to destroy the country from the inside.
    Somewhere in some sources I read that now a program is being carried out by the West to settle people from Central Asia on the Volga region in the Urals. Mostly young and non-family people who have nothing to lose. Goal 1 to introduce civil strife in the country. 2nd during the riots in the Urals, especially to introduce UN troops thereby separating the European part from Siberia, and this is oil and gas, etc. With everything from here arising.
    As the former prime minister of Yugoslavia said: While we were wiping our trousers in parliament, Albanian women gave birth and raised children, but we did nothing.
    1. +7
      21 May 2013 13: 27
      The state does not care what peoples inhabit the territory. Loyalty of power and economic efficiency are important to him. It has long wanted to spit on ideology and does not have any internal guidelines for saving Russians from extinction and crowding out.
      It’s time for us to start taking care of ourselves.
  6. +28
    21 May 2013 07: 41
    I would like to note that the problem of the expansion of Islam takes place not only in the North Caucasus, but throughout Russia.
    An unlimited turbid flow of uneducated migrants from neighboring countries is more and more reminiscent of an infection.
    The rotten practice of multiculturalism is beginning to bear fruit.
    Until the state-forming (?) Role of the Russian people is legislated and supported and strengthened in every way, the mess will continue.
    1. +18
      21 May 2013 09: 28
      And do not make differences in benefits on a national basis. It’s not good to pay social pensions to the same gypsies - drug distributors, pickpockets and social parasites in general at all times
      1. -10
        21 May 2013 12: 43
        Quote: Black Colonel
        Do not dick social pensions accrue to the same gypsies

        So we get to racism ...
        1. Rustiger
          +12
          21 May 2013 16: 21
          Quote: Uncle
          So we get to racism ...

          "To each according to his needs, from each according to his ability / utility"
          Is it now also a racist slogan? Then I'm racist!
          Quote: Black Colonel
          It’s not good to pay social pensions to the same gypsies - drug distributors, pickpockets and social parasites in general at all times

          To drug baron - to roll gerych instead of insulin,
          Taju, who brought a couple of half and a half nasvay - to feed once instead of pilaf,
          A Caucasian who has been "lazy" in the subway - three years of daily dancing in the ensemble "Birch" or in the troupe of N. Babkina.
          1. Kaa
            +3
            21 May 2013 16: 35
            Quote: Rustiger
            three years of daily dancing in the ensemble "Birch" or in the troupe of N. Babkina.
            SMILE. PRESENTED. I did not envy.
            1. Rustiger
              0
              21 May 2013 22: 45
              Quote: Kaa
              . PRESENTED. I did not envy.

              Yes, I myself "went into a fright" when I read what I wrote. belay
              I wanted to trample, but it's too late. I “consoled myself” by thinking it’s better, because in these “ansam.blyahs” they make faces at once under a hundred “talents”. So someone, somewhere, can get screwed up. But the ballet dancers in the "Bolshoi" or "Mariinsky" will not work. They will tear / stretch like a silicone. That's where the HORROR is! wassat
              By the way -
              kaa

              WE HEAR YOU, WISE KAA!

              bandarlogs
  7. pinecone
    +5
    21 May 2013 07: 51
    The inclusion of the Stavropol Territory together with national territorial entities in one federal district, as a matter of fact the whole idea with the creation of such districts, is an integral part of a set of measures aimed at decentralization and weakening of state power.
    1. Larus
      +5
      21 May 2013 12: 49
      It is time to abandon national republics altogether and introduce the regional structure of subjects in Russia.
  8. +6
    21 May 2013 07: 52
    Hello everyone! A big, painful topic. Perhaps this is a problem of a large nation, but in general the whole thing is in education. Russian-at the moment, this is not brother for brother, but rather brother to brother.
  9. +9
    21 May 2013 07: 54
    This is a serious problem on the scale of the Russian Federation, and it is necessary to solve it by the adopted program at the federal level. There are ethnic clashes already in Tyumen. The Stavropol Territory may have already lost. It is as clear as God's day. And the question is - who benefits from this? Radical Islamism is a global threat, all these revolutions in the Middle East, will Russia allow such a thing at home? Wake up, gentlemen, rulers and deputies!
    1. +4
      21 May 2013 12: 45
      Quote: DEDUCHKA
      Wake up, gentlemen, rulers and deputies!

      Yes, they do not sleep, this shnyaga is artificial! The goal is a civil war on religious grounds!
    2. folds
      +4
      21 May 2013 12: 47
      They do not sleep, just until you unfasten your percentile from everything that passes through you - there is no time to engage in the country, and there is no need, the main thing is to grab onto time to merge.
  10. +5
    21 May 2013 07: 59
    Quote: DEDUCHKA
    ..... all these revolutions in the Middle East, can Russia allow such a thing at home? Wake up, gentlemen, rulers and deputies!


    That's why we now support Syria in order to suppress all this g .... I will give because following Syria will be the Caucasus again.
  11. +6
    21 May 2013 08: 04
    It’s someone’s purposeful policy of squeezing out the local population, not only Russian, from the originally populated places, they themselves have chosen such rulers, so they themselves need to be changed, otherwise it will continue, the country is big
  12. kNow
    +21
    21 May 2013 08: 09
    1. Introduction of a uniform school uniform.
    2. Criminal punishment of parents for not allowing children to school (or enormous monetary fines)
    3. Creating your own pro-Russian school (or current) of Islam.
    4. In all mosques to put their people.
    5. Prohibit all religious gatherings in homes.
    6. Create your own religious television channel.
    1. Yarbay
      +10
      21 May 2013 08: 30
      Quote: kNow
      3. Creating your own pro-Russian school (or current) of Islam.

      not a pro-Russian, but a normal religious university!
      Where to invite famous scientists to teach !!
      Raise the rating of this university in the world !!
      Quote: kNow
      4. In all mosques to put their people.

      their people ??? what will it give if they are illiterate?
      Quote: kNow
      5. Prohibit all religious gatherings in homes.
      behind the scenes!
      1. kNow
        +10
        21 May 2013 08: 56
        Quote: Yarbay
        not a pro-Russian, but a normal religious university!

        each country should have its own pro-state movement in traditional religions, without distortion
        Quote: Yarbay
        their people ??? what will it give if they are illiterate?

        meaning - graduated from religious schools in the country
        Quote: Yarbay
        behind the scenes!

        it had to be done at the beginning, now it remains only to prohibit.
        1. Yarbay
          +3
          21 May 2013 09: 34
          Quote: kNow
          it had to be done at the beginning, now it remains only to prohibit.

          But how can this be suppressed ??
          For a simple layman who is not familiar with Islam, the same funeral or mourning gatherings will be perceived as gatherings!
          If you remember recently in Moscow a group of people gathered at a mourning event were detained in Moscow, they thought a gathering of authorities!
      2. DeerIvanovich
        0
        21 May 2013 19: 09
        Quote: Yarbay
        behind the scenes!

        what to do? laughing
    2. +7
      21 May 2013 11: 21
      Quote: kNow
      The introduction of a single school uniform.

      It is necessary! But also emphasize that any church (religion) is separate from education. Demonstrating one's religious commitment is a violation of the school charter. Nobody wears a cross on top of a uniform! If you make a complaint about the length of the skirts - so mini skirts have nothing to do with religion. Moreover, with the introduction of a single form, they will disappear.
      1. Yarbay
        +3
        21 May 2013 12: 01
        Quote: Egoza
        It is necessary! But also emphasize that any church (religion) is separate from education. Demonstrating religious commitment violates school charter


        Totally agree!
        1. +3
          21 May 2013 12: 27
          I would add
      2. +4
        21 May 2013 12: 50
        Quote: Egoza
        But also emphasize that any church (religion) is separate from education.

        This is what is bad if the girl goes in a handkerchief? A woman should cover her head, this is normal. And if Muslims want to see their children dressed according to their faith, this is also normal. I will tell you frankly that it’s more pleasant for me to see a Muslim woman in a hijab and a long dress than an atheist, Russian by nationality, without a cross, in tattoos, with a protruding ass and so on.
        1. +1
          21 May 2013 13: 24
          Quote: Uncle
          Quote: Egoza
          But also emphasize that any church (religion) is separate from education.

          This is what is bad if the girl goes in a handkerchief? A woman should cover her head, this is normal. And if Muslims want to see their children dressed according to their faith, this is also normal. I will tell you frankly that it’s more pleasant for me to see a Muslim woman in a hijab and a long dress than an atheist, Russian by nationality, without a cross, in tattoos, with a protruding ass and so on.

          Well, right now, the West is in fashion. Walking closed is not a trend. And naked, yes, please, this is more moral than a scarf on your head.
          1. +1
            21 May 2013 13: 29
            Quote: Yeraz
            And naked, yes, please, this is more moral than a headscarf.

            Are you ironic? Are you not a Muslim, but a secular person? Then it is clear?
            1. +4
              21 May 2013 14: 53
              Quote: Uncle
              Are you ironic?

              Of course I’m ironic))
              Quote: Uncle
              Are you not a Muslim, but a secular person?

              the muslim is normal.
              It’s more pleasant for me to see a Russian girl dressed up decently around me. For 2 years, I’ve studied the whole collection of modern brands of underwear at school because 2 CHIKI classmates with almost bare ass were sitting in front of me.
              But seriously, firstly, a handkerchief is beautiful for me. Secondly, damn it right now, summer, looking at all this miracle around, I begin to understand some rapists wink
              1. +2
                21 May 2013 15: 56
                Quote: Yeraz
                I'm starting to understand some rapists

                Here! Right! I agree! Cats, their mother is like that.
                1. +3
                  21 May 2013 18: 43
                  Quote: Uncle
                  Quote: Yeraz
                  I'm starting to understand some rapists

                  Here! Right! I agree! Cats, their mother is like that.

                  drinks
              2. +2
                21 May 2013 17: 05
                The trouble .. if the look of lightly dressed girls makes you understand rapists. This means that your animal, sorry, dominates the human.
                Another thing is that not all teles are worth demonstrating. But this is a matter of taste (one must understand that fat legs and a sagging stomach do not look) and feelings of proportion. And to wrap everything except the face only because it should be so ... Well, this is the level of stupidity is simple. All clothes are appropriate for their time. Wearing a turban or hat in Moscow in the summer is complete absurdity, be it at least three times a national costume. But to fight with each other because of this is stupidity. Who wants to, let him wear a hat in summer, and who wants to wear shorts.
                1. +6
                  21 May 2013 18: 36
                  mayros trouble if the look is lightly dressed .....
                  The kind of lightly dressed beauties whom you want to seduce. This is normal INSTINCT. The problem is when you look and feel nothing !! laughing
                  1. +1
                    21 May 2013 19: 02
                    The problem is when you yourself go about instincts, or you justify the animals that do it
                  2. +3
                    21 May 2013 19: 02
                    Quote: xetai9977
                    The problem is when you look and feel nothing !! laughing

                    bully
                2. +2
                  21 May 2013 19: 08
                  Quote: Mairos
                  The trouble .. if the look of lightly dressed girls makes you understand rapists. This means that your animal, sorry, dominates the human.

                  And what should cause? This is physiology. When the mountains outside and behind are all for show, if you don’t want, YOU WANT)))
                  Therefore, I understand these migrants who are at construction sites without this and going out see it. If I have such a reaction, then these hungry people are many times worse.
                  I laughed for a very long time I advise you to find a program on the Internet about migrant rapists and there was an aunt of about 50 years old, but a pretty one with a sister came in and one of them raped a Tajik, then this story and suddenly declares this sweaty black smelly one, okay IF IT'S ALSO OUR RUSSIAN! ! So the whole shalt simply died down, i.e. the person turns out to be worried not by the fact itself, but by the process, so to speak)))
                  1. OTAKE
                    +3
                    22 May 2013 05: 35
                    Quote: Yeraz
                    And what should cause? This is physiology. When the mountains outside and behind are all for show, if you don’t want, YOU WANT)))
                    Therefore, I understand these migrants who are at construction sites without this and going out see it. If I have such a reaction, then these hungry people are many times worse.

                    Migrants just need to show a couple of feature films with Sasha Gray, and there will be no problems :) by the way, she is right now in Russia, riding a Lada

                    I laughed for a very long time I advise you to find a program on the Internet about migrant rapists and there was an aunt of about 50 years old, but a pretty one with a sister came in and one of them raped a Tajik, then this story and suddenly declares this sweaty black smelly one, okay IF IT'S ALSO OUR RUSSIAN! ! So the whole shalt simply died down, i.e. the person turns out to be worried not by the fact itself, but by the process, so to speak)))

                    it’s clear that only the process will be interested in 50) And so if, in essence, from school, I remember that the ladies from the seventh-eighth grade already had an active sex life (and dressed accordingly), BUT! in parallel there were girls and from Muslim families, most of them dressed too, far from modestly, I would even say very defiantly, but I haven’t heard anything about them, because you don’t just behave like that, because in my opinion it is important how to dress from an early age, it is important the mental health of others, and the head of the girl herself to work adequately. And this is mostly a problem.
                    1. +1
                      22 May 2013 14: 35
                      Quote: OTAKE
                      Migrants just need to show a couple of feature films with Sasha Gray, and there will be no problems :)

                      It will get worse, by the way, it's nothing.
                      Quote: OTAKE
                      it’s clear that only the process will be interested in 50) And so if, in essence, from school, I remember that the ladies from the seventh-eighth grade already had an active sex life (and dressed accordingly), BUT! in parallel there were girls and from Muslim families, most of them dressed too, far from modestly, I would even say very defiantly, but I haven’t heard anything about them, because you don’t just behave like that, because in my opinion it is important how to dress from an early age, it is important the mental health of others, and the head of the girl herself to work adequately. And this is mostly a problem.

                      Well, it’s clear that clothes do not say everything about you 100 percent. But if a Muslim woman is defiantly dressed, no matter how tough she is, the association will be different anyway. And in the Muslim environment, I know perfectly well who is who at least 10 layers of a scarf, It’s not a problem to find out in Russia at all. We had one of our modestly dressed at the university, but she loved to flirt with everyone and somehow started to go into our faculty and flirt with Tajiks, well, one of ours stupidly grabbed her by the hair and dragged her on the floor and brought her out from the faculty. The girl after that did not appear at the university, although she was an excellent student. The trick is that in addition to clothes there is a demeanor, and she behaved incorrectly. And it will not be worse to call a brother and dad)
                      1. OTAKE
                        +2
                        23 May 2013 05: 45
                        Quote: Yeraz
                        It will get worse, by the way, it's nothing.

                        Sasha - Goddess! ) lol this is what a decent lady should look like.)


                        Well, it’s clear that clothes do not say everything about you 100 percent. But if a Muslim woman is defiantly dressed, no matter how tough she is, the association will be different anyway. And in the Muslim environment, I know perfectly well who is who at least 10 layers of a scarf, It’s not a problem to find out in Russia at all. We had one of our modestly dressed at the university, but she loved to flirt with everyone and somehow started to go into our faculty and flirt with Tajiks, well, one of ours stupidly grabbed her by the hair and dragged her on the floor and brought her out from the faculty. The girl after that did not appear at the university, although she was an excellent student. The trick is that in addition to clothes there is a demeanor, and she behaved incorrectly. And it will not be worse to call a brother and dad)

                        I do not argue that clothes are certainly not the last instance in determining who is who, but somehow I got used to the so-called "vulgar" attire of the female half, it is winter here 9 months a year, and ladies mostly go wrapped in down jackets like penguins for most of the year , and in the summer, everyone wants to show off, say who has which parts of the body have lost how much weight, and who has grown, and so on, in general, I want to show off)
        2. Yarbay
          +7
          21 May 2013 13: 29
          Quote: Uncle
          This is what is bad if the girl goes in a handkerchief?

          nothing bad!!
          But going to school is probably wrong !!
          I think it’s possible, as in Turkey, separate schools for those who want to go to the lesson with scarves to open, religious!
          1. +1
            21 May 2013 13: 37
            Today the girl will not be able to put on a headscarf to school, and tomorrow they will force her to remove the cross. And the formation of personality goes from childhood, if the girl knows, knows for sure, I am a Christian (Muslim, Jew), she has an inner "core", character. She has examples of behavior from the family, the environment, she will grow up to be a decent woman, a mother, she will have those numerous children, about whom the forum users stand up. And if a child grows like a field grass, mom walks, dad drinks, well, who of this girl will grow? Well, what is her family, children for?
            1. Larus
              +1
              21 May 2013 13: 48
              Therefore, it is likely that many Russian women change their religion under their husbands (mostly they become Muslims), that from childhood they did not lead to God.
            2. +11
              21 May 2013 14: 16
              that you’re all from one extreme to another. who haven’t met decent people who are not religious? Children are naked and with tattoos, then Mommy is drinking. Papana ... there’s a pattern that’s right. She should cover her head and that’s great! If not baptized, it’s not decent. without a rod?
              or drooping drunks did not see with a cross on his chest?
              1. +2
                21 May 2013 20: 56
                I am an atheist. My wife and children are baptized and go to church. Sometimes ... For me, religion is politics, control of the masses.
            3. +5
              21 May 2013 15: 21
              Quote: Uncle
              Today, the girl will not be able to put on a handkerchief to school, and tomorrow they will force the cross to take off

              I think that in cases of Muslim hijabs and the ban on Indian sannyasins not to look at women and not to look above a certain level has one roots - this is the suppression of one's sexuality in order to avoid problems. Maybe there was some sense in it (not sure), but now it’s clear that this is the road to nowhere, it only contributes to sexual fantasies and perversions due to the suppression and ignoring of one’s nature. Regarding wearing scarves: women traditionally let go of long hair and the scarf has always been the easiest way to style them (I do not claim that this is the only truth in the last resort) and therefore I consider this contrived problem in the same vein as in the Middle Ages how many angels argue fits on the tip of the needle. Suppression as well as licentiousness are extremes - evil. Giving your precious attention to nonsense and not spirituality transforming our beings in the direction of the world is a wasted life. Traditions are dead without understanding their essence, moreover, if external conditions change and they should change because they become obsolete.
              1. -5
                21 May 2013 16: 04
                Quote: Ivan.
                crushing and ignoring your nature

                And you do not suppress your nature? You live by the principle: I drink, everything that burns and I have everything that moves? It is the control of nature that man is different from the animal.
                Quote: Ivan.
                Giving your precious attention to nonsense and not spirituality
                Form, this is not nonsense. Form speaks of content, form changes content. Remember the army: Stoy disciplines. This is how the external influences the internal.
                Quote: Ivan.
                Traditions are dead without understanding their essence, moreover, if external conditions change and they should change

                The Orthodox rite of worship has not changed much for 1000 years, only aspects of the translation of the service. So the spiritual sphere has no place for new trends.
                1. +4
                  21 May 2013 16: 53
                  The Orthodox rite of worship has not changed much for 1000 years

                  and double-fingered? bowing? walking in the sun? for which RUSSIAN people were persecuted and punished? burning? and how are rituals and sacraments held today? Has it not changed so much?
                  (The rest does not make sense to comment)
                2. +3
                  21 May 2013 17: 09
                  here is an analogue of your thoughts. and you say that for a thousand years nothing has changed ..
                  he also trades
                  1. +1
                    21 May 2013 23: 19
                    Quote: Gleb
                    here is an analogue of your thoughts. and you say that for a thousand years nothing has changed ..
                    he also trades

                    With such a belly, probably all posts "from and to" are observed smile
                  2. Yarbay
                    +2
                    22 May 2013 07: 11
                    Quote: Gleb
                    here is an analogue of your thoughts. and you say that for a thousand years nothing has changed ..
                    he also trades

                    I watched several videos from his interview!
                    He is prone to sarcasm and loves to irony!
                    If he is serious, then ......
          2. +2
            21 May 2013 15: 07
            Quote: Yarbay
            But going to school is probably wrong !!

            I do not agree with you. The representative of mine formation in Baku also believed until his face was cleaned in the school yard.
            Hah, please do not understand this by a hint in your direction)))
            1. Yarbay
              +3
              21 May 2013 15: 44
              Quote: Yeraz
              I do not agree with you. The representative of mine formation in Baku also believed until his face was cleaned in the school yard.
              Hah, please do not understand this by a hint in your direction)))

              The first time I hear from you that they filled it))))))))))
              but what did he change his mind ??
              we are not allowed to go to school in headscarves and I think this is correct!

              if you allow scarves, then you don’t need to measure it and girls should
              to teach separately from boys !!
              Children at school should not differ in dress!
              They may feel weighed down!
              for example, a girl from an irreligious family, having seen a friend who dresses so much, also wants to put on a scarf, and her parents drink it!
              This means a conflict in the family, for an immature child - an injury!
              I brought one of hundreds of possible problems!
              My relative went to Turkey because of this problem and there he gave children to a religious school, where boys and girls study separately and shawls are allowed !!
              I want to add that I am a believer!
              1. +2
                21 May 2013 15: 52
                Quote: Yarbay
                Quote: Yeraz
                I do not agree with you. The representative of mine formation in Baku also believed until his face was cleaned in the school yard.
                Hah, please do not understand this by a hint in your direction)))

                The first time I hear from you that they filled it))))))))))
                but what did he change his mind ??
                we are not allowed to go to school in headscarves and I think this is correct!
                if you allow scarves, then you don’t need to measure it and girls should
                to teach separately from boys !!
                Children at school should not differ in dress!
                They may feel weighed down!
                for example, a girl from an irreligious family, having seen a friend who dresses so much, also wants to put on a scarf, and her parents drink it!
                This means a conflict in the family, for an immature child - an injury!
                I brought one of hundreds of possible problems!
                My relative went to Turkey because of this problem and there he gave children to a religious school, where boys and girls study separately and shawls are allowed !!

                So you didn’t hear about the story about this mine worker or didn’t you hear that he was beaten?
                So, it is not worth making simultaneous conclusions about the ban and resolution of hijab in different countries, there is a specificity everywhere, but in Baku it was wrong, because you yourself live and know very well the tiny number of children wore scarves, and with the ban they created more tension if would not start this topic musirov
                1. Yarbay
                  +2
                  21 May 2013 16: 08
                  Quote: Yeraz
                  So you didn’t hear about the story about this mine worker or didn’t you hear that he was beaten?

                  I have not heard the story!
                  Probably not advertised!
                  And I first read, or rather thought about the minister you wrote!
                  1. +4
                    21 May 2013 18: 25
                    Quote: Yarbay
                    I have not heard the story!
                    Probably not advertised!
                    And I first read, or rather thought about the minister you wrote!

                    So they wrote about it. A check came from the Ministry of Education and in the 11th grade they saw a girl in a scarf. This man said that she took off her scarf, which she said no and he said yuz isden cixirlar sonra bas baqlayirlar. Well after these words in the school yard her classmate otfigachili him. Toward but it seems like the new minister also came to this school, but it was already said that everything was different they say, this one just wanted to take the crib she hid under her clothes and when she refused he blurted out if we need to take off our clothes so that everyone sees the cheat sheet and this word infuriated everything in the class. But knowing our officials, I believe in the first version for no reason they beat an official in Baku, especially the whole class.
        3. +7
          21 May 2013 13: 46
          Quote: Uncle
          A woman should cover her head, this is normal.

          The word SHOULD be at least not appropriate here.
          Quote: Uncle
          I will tell you frankly that it’s more pleasant for me to see a Muslim woman in a hijab and a long dress than an atheist, Russian by nationality, without a cross, in tattoos, with a protruding ass and so on.

          And it is equally unpleasant for me to see it, since these are two opposite extremes and both are very dangerous (albeit in different ways), both have blossomed right now and I argue that the "gardener" who irrigates these extremes is the same.
          1. Larus
            +1
            21 May 2013 13: 57
            You’ve seen photographs of Russian women before the beginning of the 20th century, how they are dressed and what they are wearing, our Orthodox women. I do not mean the city’s rich imitators of the West, who then also had a lot, but the bounds of decency remained.
          2. 0
            21 May 2013 14: 00
            Quote: Ivan.
            I claim that the "gardener" who irrigates these extremes is one and the same.

            The gardener sowing evil has always been one - horned. I don’t know about his earthly followers.
            Quote: Ivan.
            two opposite extremes

            I agree, this is my pain too.
          3. Yarbay
            +1
            21 May 2013 15: 45
            Quote: Ivan.
            The word SHOULD be at least not appropriate here.


            The man is right !!
            The believer must!
            this applies to both Christian and Muslim!
            1. 0
              21 May 2013 16: 44
              Quote: Egoza
              It is necessary! But also emphasize that any church (religion) is separate from education. Demonstrating one's religious commitment is a violation of the school charter. Nobody wears a cross on top of a uniform! If you make a complaint about the length of the skirts - so mini skirts have nothing to do with religion. Moreover, with the introduction of a single form, they will disappear.

              Quote: Yarbay
              Totally agree!

              Uncle (1) Today, 12:50 ↑
              Quote: Egoza
              But also emphasize that any church (religion) is separate from education.

              This is what is bad if the girl goes in a handkerchief? A woman should cover her head, this is normal. And if Muslims want to see their children dressed according to their faith, this is also normal. I will tell you frankly that it’s more pleasant for me to see a Muslim woman in a hijab and a long dress than an atheist, Russian by nationality, without a cross, in tattoos, with a protruding ass and so on.

              Ivan Today, 13:46 ↑
              Quote: Uncle
              A woman should cover her head, this is normal.
              The word SHOULD be at least not appropriate here.
              Quote: Yarbay
              The man is right !!
              The believer must!
              this applies to both Christian and Muslim!

              If we blindly pull quotes from each other, we can not understand each other.
        4. +7
          21 May 2013 16: 16
          I do not understand why this school uniform cannot be acceptable to ALL? that is, normal, modest, just below the knees. And then you really meet a different "schoolgirl", already panties are visible. In order not to rush from one extreme to another, enter a normal, modest form.
        5. Best novel
          0
          21 May 2013 17: 22
          What such sins can she commit with her head uncovered in summer in the heat? If she (probably like you) has a bald head, then yes. And if beautiful clean (probably still hide dirty due to lack of water and shampoo) her hair is more pleasant and simpler, and the eye is pleasing. And even though I am 44 and seeing the hijab and so on. "Muslim relics", I think one thing: to what a poor woman was brought. A sticking ass and other hand.
          1. +1
            21 May 2013 22: 27
            It’s not at all clear why all of a sudden hit these hijabs? After all, this is not the traditional clothing of the Muslim women of our region. It is typical of the hot climates of the Middle East and Africa. Literally 10 years ago there was no talk about this. Everything was specially brought to us in order to drive a wedge between Christians and Muslims even more. Do not be fooled by this, Russia is a secular country and must separate religion from the state. I think that scarves should be allowed, it looks very good on both Christians and Muslim women.
          2. OTAKE
            +1
            22 May 2013 05: 53
            Quote: Roman Best
            I think one thing: what the poor woman was brought to. The sticking ass and stuff are much nicer to the eye and hand.

            and I read your comment, I think one thing, to which they brought the poor man, they stick out with a sticking ass at 44, and they also encourage ananism! uhosh!
  13. +6
    21 May 2013 08: 11
    The problem raised by the author is very relevant.
    Aggressive Islamic expansion into the North Caucasus causes concern for local residents. Along with the natural increase in the Muslim population of Russia and the failure of the demography of the Russian ethnic group, there is work directed by foreign special services (Saudi Arabia, Qatar, etc.) to tear off the original Muslim creed in radical forms. And the Turkish special services involve their co-religionists in the zone of their Turkish influence and separation from Russian interests.
    This problem cannot be solved by "surgical" intervention. Legislation should become that lever for influencing the situation, there is no place for tolerance and the principle of double interpretation in the law. The propaganda of internationalism in the region is completely in failure. Aggressive, close-knit, adherents of Islam, armed by the laws of the mountains, come and dictate their will to the peaceful plains inhabitants.
    Opposition can only be moderately aggressive, tough LAW adopted not secretly by the State Duma, but up to a referendum and popular discussion.
    1. Skiff
      +8
      21 May 2013 09: 46
      The problem raised by the author is very relevant.
      Aggressive Islamic expansion

      Yes, in my opinion we are vegetables, but not aggressive.
      1. +3
        21 May 2013 13: 51
        On the one hand, when you are constantly beaten on the hands, you become a "vegetable", on the other hand, their aggression is cultivated from abroad as part of the policy of achieving globalization.
  14. +4
    21 May 2013 08: 21
    [quote = DEDUCHKA] And the question is - who benefits from this? / quote] But this is the right question, which the leaders of the country to ask now, and take action. Otherwise, all favorable regions will be populated by immigrants. Have you seen that these natives would work in factories? What will they do then ???
  15. +3
    21 May 2013 08: 22
    Already have to wake up. There are possible kaak scenarios in Syria. They will finish off as in Chechnya in 91-93. They are so bor ..... t in Moscow and in other cities, our tops do not see this from their offices.
  16. +6
    21 May 2013 08: 27
    What prevents stopping the expansion of radical Islam in the regions of Russia (on the example of the North Caucasus Federal District)?


    Answer: Political impotent people (and maybe not only political ones), traitors and cowards in the Government.
  17. +1
    21 May 2013 08: 33
    Quote: Nevsky
    At all times, the South of Russia was insured by Novorossia (Southeast of Ukraine), I am already silent about Little Russia. Here and there, the mover and migration, and the Caucasian republics looked like such mono-regional centers, now they have good weight even on the scale of the whole of the Russian Federation. In addition, the loss of the Cossacks in 1917-1922 also played a role.

    It is necessary to strengthen the Cossacks to make the law and resettle in the Caucasus as a border service to settle in villages to give benefits and land the way they work and protect, only clans and clowns in uniform are needed.
  18. +10
    21 May 2013 08: 34
    from the Don.
    Hope for the state again! It’s time to understand, WE ARE STATE ON DRUM! In 90, we had a circle of yurt, and I accidentally heard a conversation where the head of the settlement, selling a residence permit to the Armenians, said: I don’t care! My son can’t live here will be. I bought an apartment in Moscow:. It’s their fault that we allow such monsters to power. Everyone knows about it and is silent. Plus, Russians are to blame for all the conflicts. We spread rot themselves. So the picture is menacing.
  19. zambo
    +9
    21 May 2013 08: 37
    Himself from Stavropol. The problem has been around for 8-10 years. In Stavropol (the city of students) there are constant fights and provocations from outsiders, often stabbing. Kavminvody in "black" color. 70% of young people leave. In the eastern regions of the region, Russians are becoming less and less ...
    And only now they started talking about it on the central TV channel. Who has the brains and opportunities - procures hunting weapons. Our Cossacks are not supported by the authorities, as in the Krasnodar Territory. In general, we are sitting on a powder keg and waiting for a roasted rooster ...
    1. adg76
      +7
      21 May 2013 09: 48
      Quote: zamboy
      Who has the brains and opportunities - procures hunting weapons. Our Cossacks are not supported by the authorities, as in the Krasnodar Territory. In general, we are sitting on a powder keg and waiting for a roasted rooster

      I live in the Moscow region.
      So we have a growing number of hunters. And all this is for a reason. Apparently the active part of the population began to think about protecting their home. If the authorities do not drastically change their attitude to the problems of migration from the Caucasus, then sooner or later "crystal night" will come for the Caucasians. It will blaze so that it will not seem a little. And the locals will be accused ...
      1. Ashibokov57
        -8
        21 May 2013 11: 27
        If it burns, there will be no one to blame. And all because of racists like you.
        1. rereture
          +9
          21 May 2013 12: 52
          Aren't they racists? many do not hide their hatred of the Russians.
    2. 0
      21 May 2013 12: 54
      Quote: zamboy
      Our Cossacks are not supported by the authorities

      Here, without state. support, without the legitimacy of actions, we will not go far. Legal Cossacks, legal patrols, legal weapons. Here is how to achieve this, I don’t know.
  20. +7
    21 May 2013 08: 46
    Quote: zamboy
    Himself from Stavropol. The problem has been around for 8-10 years. In Stavropol (the city of students) there are constant fights and provocations from outsiders, often stabbing. Kavminvody in "black" color. 70% of young people leave. In the eastern regions of the region, Russians are becoming less and less ...
    And only now they started talking about it on the central TV channel. Who has the brains and opportunities - procures hunting weapons. Our Cossacks are not supported by the authorities, as in the Krasnodar Territory. In general, we are sitting on a powder keg and waiting for a roasted rooster ...
    In the Cossacks, a complete split in the state is not profitable to have a fifth column, so there is no hope they will support the Caucasus but not the Cossacks.
  21. go_by
    +7
    21 May 2013 08: 51
    The spread of Islam in Russia is a way to divide the country into parts. The more mosques, the smaller the territory will remain Russian in the future, the more the caliphate will get. To blame some bad Wahhabis, as opposed to good traditional Muslims, is only a very stupid, or well-paid, person paid by the West. Finally, they allowed me to speak openly about this. But this means that the government itself is not able to cope with the problem that it generated.
    1. +1
      21 May 2013 12: 56
      Quote: go_by
      The more mosques, the smaller the territory will remain Russian

      And you build churches! And go to them! Or will I walk alone for all?
      1. go_by
        +3
        21 May 2013 13: 18
        We are building. Only the church is not the place to hide. This is not a bunker. Short dashes from temple to temple will not save the state from dismemberment on the basis of national religious grounds.
        1. -4
          21 May 2013 13: 39
          Quote: go_by
          Only the church is not the place to hide.

          The church is the place where prayer is offered to God. And the Church, better than any weapon will protect Russia.
          1. +5
            21 May 2013 15: 33
            Quote: Uncle
            The church is the place where prayer is offered to God

            The human body is the temple of God, and prayers are raised only in this temple in the core of our soul, which is inseparable from God, and only from this temple, a prayer that is wordless and not begging reaches the addressee. External temples (houses made of wood and stone) are "crutches" for the faint of heart and also (unfortunately) a place for the exploitation of "religious feelings". And even some priests have the audacity to prohibit addressing God directly through their heads.
          2. go_by
            +2
            21 May 2013 15: 35
            Faith without works is a dead thing. Maybe we’ll dissolve the army and the police, will we open the borders? The church building is only bricks. How many temples were there before the revolution? Already to you, as a believer, this should be clear.
            Interesting posts in the topic ...
            http://humus.livejournal.com/3183373.html
            http://humus.livejournal.com/3205975.html
      2. alexanderrus.
        -1
        21 May 2013 19: 08
        Yes. Your "lip is not stupid", however, uncle.
  22. +7
    21 May 2013 08: 52
    "The only region of the North Caucasus Federal District, which is not the so-called national republic, is the Stavropol Territory. Stavropol is the most economically developed subject of the North Caucasus Federal District, with a level of gross regional product that is quite modest, based on average indicators throughout Russia, but the level of Stavropol GRP is two or more times higher than similar indicators of the neighboring republics of the district. And according to the classical laws of economics, the better the economy of a territory is developed, the more likely it is that people will appear in this territory who are ready to use relative economic well-being for their own purposes."
    In our region (I myself live in the Stavropol Territory), rumors have been circulating for two or three years that in the near future (after the end of the Sochi Olympics) the region will be liquidated as a subject of the Russian Federation. According to rumors, part of the region will go to the Krasnodar Territory, part to the Rostov Region, and the eastern regions and the KMV region to the national republics of the North Caucasus Federal District. Of course, I would like to believe that these are just rumors, but evaluating the internal policy of the country's leadership, you will not be surprised at anything. Recently, the only thing that has happened is that the "support" of the national republics of the North Caucasus Federal District in exchange for relative calm in the "anti-terrorist" plan. And the Olympics are coming soon, and how many workers from the republics of the North Caucasus Federal District, especially from Dagestan, are at the construction sites of the Olympics. I am already silent about the Kavminvod region, in the same place the "Capital" of the North Caucasus Federal District and "friendly" guys from the national republics behave there like at home, although ... at home they behave like that. So let's wait and see.
    PS And maybe it will be better, at least to those areas where I live, if we join the Krasnodar Territory.
    1. Lakkuchu
      +3
      21 May 2013 12: 13
      Quote: medwed1976
      Yes, and the Olympics will soon, but how many workers at the construction sites of the Olympics are from the republics of the North Caucasus Federal District, especially from Dagestan.

      You must be mistaken. This cannot be. Dagestanis do not work, especially workers at construction sites. Only Russian poor fellow workers work there. Dagi do not work at all, but they are engaged exclusively in robberies, theft, murders, sharing budget money, and in general you feed us, why should we work. We all live happily ever after, all Behi da Merca, three-story palaces.
    2. +2
      21 May 2013 13: 50
      If these are not rumors about the inclusion of East. ter. in the republic, it can turn out like with Crimea, which moved from the RSFSR to the Ukrainian SSR and how we know how it ended.
  23. +11
    21 May 2013 08: 59
    I noticed that where the expansion of Caucasians or Central Asians exceeds a certain percentage, this settlement turns out to be mildly expressed as a mixture of a toilet, a bazaar and a gang raspberry. I absolutely calmly relate to both armenin, the iserbajan and the tajik. And among those and these, I have friends and acquaintances, those who came here during the Soviet era or in the 90's without fear of EBN reforms. But what rushed now is a complete paragraph ...
  24. +5
    21 May 2013 09: 00
    There is only one way out of this problem:
    - introduce a hard visa regime;
    -Put like rabbits;
    - The state should run a program for young people; here's a 3-bedroom apartment; do your duty to grow 3 or more children;
    -Close all wineglasses and spills;
    -To shoot for drug trafficking;
    - To revive the Cossacks in the Caucasus, only they can stop the spread of all this;
    -And evict all evil from the country.
    1. Baboon
      +1
      21 May 2013 09: 47
      What is the visa regime against their citizens? The article is written about the peoples of Russia, in general, control must be dealt with, and traditional Muslims themselves, to put it mildly, do not like Wahhabis. Here it is necessary to cooperate and identify with normal people.
  25. +5
    21 May 2013 09: 09
    Why did Hitler not like the Jews so ???? Because they were faced with the same problem of the Jewish occupation of the country and, as we are now with Muslim extremism. He suggested that they voluntarily and peacefully pack their things and leave, but as you can see from the story, they didn’t go where they started and began to bend their policies. After this, he began to exterminate them. He fought for the purity of Germany. And for this he can be called a patriot of his country, which in no case does not justify all his crimes.
    Order now all this not honor in our country to voluntarily grin - the 3rd World War will immediately begin. And we are going to this, but unfortunately very slowly. it may be too late. History repeats itself.
  26. pahom54
    +9
    21 May 2013 09: 16
    All this happens against the backdrop of flirting the authorities with .... Caucasian peoples. Just as abreks existed due to raids, practically nothing has changed, only it has taken on new modern forms. Russian (or one who considers himself to be him) must work, and others - to rob him.
    I agree, on the one hand, it is impossible to set a precedent for the separation of Chechnya from Russia. And on the other hand - give free rein, BUT! To fence off all these republics by land, air and sea borders, to ban entry to Russia - let them live on their own !!! But how long without robberies will they last ???
    And as for what the West will begin to howl at the same time as our truth-seekers about violations of some kind of democracy there, I will say one thing: when the United States needs to do something, shit ... and they are of the opinion of others, and Russia has long had to do this.
  27. waisson
    +10
    21 May 2013 09: 19
    at the word that interferes he was furious did not read comments he recently watched a documentary report. My story An uncle lived in Grozny fled to Stavropol. NOW WHERE TO RUN? Moscow will soon be behind and in front of Kolyma and Magadan where the pro-Orthodox patriarchy and the president look
    1. +5
      21 May 2013 11: 14
      Moscow will soon be behind

      Alas, Moscow in this process is ahead of the whole country. In Moscow, the Slavs are already a minority.
    2. -3
      21 May 2013 12: 59
      Quote: waisson
      where does the Orthodox patriarchy look

      And what claims to it?
    3. +5
      21 May 2013 13: 55
      How to where ?! They look at the Caucasian o .. pu where else to kiss her. If we have already come to the point that Akhmat Kadyrov was erected a monument in Moscow to a man who called for killing as many Russians as possible, to please Chechens the Russian officers Budanov, Khudyakov, Arakcheev are condemned, our roofing power was bent before the enemies of Russia.
      1. alexanderrus.
        +4
        21 May 2013 19: 35
        Our power is not Russian since 1917!
    4. alexanderrus.
      +1
      21 May 2013 19: 31
      The Orthodox Patriarchate looks into the "donation box".
  28. +5
    21 May 2013 09: 21
    Quote: pahom54
    And as for what the West will begin to howl at the same time as our truth-seekers about violations of some kind of democracy there, I will say one thing: when the United States needs to do something, shit ... and they are of the opinion of others, and Russia has long had to do this.


    I completely agree!!!. Fuck ..... these democratic principles. What is DEMOCRACY is the ability to choose and act within the law. Put in jail all the political American prostitutes in our country. For comparison, in our country, citizens have more rights and freedom of action than Americans.
    1. +2
      21 May 2013 13: 59
      Democracy is true it is a scam for the people. By the way, Churchill in his memoirs "the world crisis" said that it would be good if Russia was built on a federal principle with autonomy of some regions (as we are now observing) such a Russia would be weaker than a single monarchical Russia. The only conclusion is that the traditionally Russian autocratic monarchy cares about the preservation and prosperity of the Russian people, since the infidels and the West destroyed traditional Russia and are still trying to break it down.
  29. +10
    21 May 2013 09: 22
    Yes, Russia will swallow all these hordes (as the Mongol-Tatars used to be) .. No wonder they are so afraid of Russification and assimilation on their sites .. time is needed !! The main thing is to remember who we are and not to forget our culture !!! We have explosive blood and we still have all the genes ... (no mosques will save)
    1. -3
      21 May 2013 13: 02
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Our blood is explosive and the genes are still all shallow.

      This, by the way, is very true. Everyone says that the Mongols had us and we are not purely Russian, but a kind of cross. BUT! We did a genetic study and lo and behold! There are almost no Mongol genes! The gene of "Russianness" squeezed out all this shnyaga! We have purified ourselves! And the reason for this purification lies, oddly enough, in the Orthodox Faith.
      1. +6
        21 May 2013 17: 20
        Quote: Uncle
        Everyone says that the Mongols had us and we are not purely Russian, but a kind of cross. BUT! We did a genetic study and lo and behold! There are almost no Mongol genes! The gene of "Russianness" squeezed out all this shnyaga!

        Yes, because there were no Mongols. Is it really not clear?
        1. Larus
          +6
          21 May 2013 17: 23
          That's it, that if there was an IGO, then they came and took tribute, but they didn’t live here. This bike was cultivated by the West in order to show that we are not like them. And rightly so, we are not like that, we are much better than them.
    2. jump master
      0
      22 May 2013 00: 12
      The trouble is that time is gone! The process is almost uncontrollable!
  30. +7
    21 May 2013 09: 23
    The problem of demography, especially with regard to the Russian people, is multifaceted. And paradoxically, not only changes in the mores and customs of Slavic families played a role in this, but also the Great Patriotic War. The percentage of infertile men and women among Russians is greater than in the Caucasus. In this, the role of hardships and deprivation fell to the lot of Russians. Since the Russians suffered most during the war (In the framework of the current Russian Federation). Excessive labor in the fields and factories, meager food and stress at work played a role. Great psychological and moral trauma. Undoubtedly, all this also played a role. I believe that all this also affects fertility ... Of course, I also do not overlook other social factors ...
  31. +7
    21 May 2013 09: 28
    It all started 10 years ago. In Samara, even then this honor did not say, all of you Russians will live in the best case beyond the Volga, and the city will be ours.
    Familiar FSB officers have been reporting to Moscow for several years about taking tough migration measures since the ethnic pi has already arrived ..... This is no longer a matter of democracy - it is a matter of survival and nationality preservation.
    When jihad comes, every Muslim must take a knife and go fight the infidels, whether he wants it or not.
  32. adg76
    +2
    21 May 2013 09: 32
    Quote: Onotolle
    Until the state-forming (?) Role of the Russian people is legislated and supported and strengthened in every way, the mess will continue.

    Not only to consolidate, but also to instill a culture of weapons starting from the elementary grades of school. Make it possible to wear it. Both boys and girls! Change the legislation in such a way that the one who defends himself could use any weapon. And the law did not find out whether self-defense was exceeded or not exceeded, but only who first started. The one who started is to blame. And in general, the limit of self-defense is nonsense in the current situation. If they came to my village with cudgels or knives to sort things out, then, defending my village and the lives of the inhabitants, I should have the right to use weapons, and be exempted from any notions of "excess of self-defense."
    1. folds
      +2
      21 May 2013 14: 24
      you have the right to call the police and wait
      1. +1
        21 May 2013 21: 59
        And the police have the right to answer that until they started to kill you (rob, rape, etc.), we cannot intervene, if they start, or already, then call.
        1. folds
          0
          22 May 2013 00: 05
          Well, if there is anything and with the help of which - to call the police again, to say that it’s not dangerous anymore, and if the next hangman isn’t stopping them in statistics, you can come and fix the incident.
  33. +12
    21 May 2013 09: 41
    Again, the Russians are weak, oppressed and depressed ... They cannot and do not want anything. They do not breed, they do not defend themselves ... How much can you write this nonsense, transferring the blame of state power and local municipalities to ordinary people? There is only an elementary non-compliance with the current legislation of the Russian Federation by the regional and local authorities. For what reason this happens - that’s the question. Either they are bribed, or intimidated, or maybe they just do not want to fulfill their duties? The same illegal mosques - civil law norms are clearly spelled out, prohibiting such structures and prescribing sanctions for such activities. Until the problem was voiced on central television channels, the local leadership did not take up the matter. Hence the conclusion - the fault is not in the Russian people, who just feel their insecurity and vulnerability, because they are law-abiding and regularly pay taxes on the maintenance of the administrative apparatus, but in the very apparatus, which, having all the full power, does nothing. It is necessary to change officials at the federal and municipal levels, and all those guilty are severely punished. There are all the tools and powers for this.
  34. +4
    21 May 2013 09: 44
    Somehow I accidentally got to http://andrey-cruz.livejournal.com/78247.html. I recommend to view the whole page.
    1. +1
      21 May 2013 12: 08
      Yes, Andrey is well done in this regard. Well, it’s easier for him, he still lives behind the hill lol
    2. +2
      21 May 2013 19: 52
      Yeah! "A magazine into which no one is dragged by force," as we know. No, well done man really. I got hooked on his LJ after his books, which I collected in a collection. I like the fact that in his LiveJournal, unpopular problems in the government are discussed frankly and without cuts.
      1. +1
        22 May 2013 08: 10
        Yes, I read and reread it too laughing From his books, you can learn a lot, starting from the complete TTX of certain trunks and ending with tactics.lol
        And in LiveJournal he usually "chops with an ax", not trying to get around "sharp corners".
        Well I say well done man good
  35. +5
    21 May 2013 09: 44
    As long as our president benefits from the same Kadyrov who "supports" him, he will feed him and his entire Caudla, not only with the country's money, but also with the territory and LIVES of Russians. Absolute irresponsibility is very provoking, especially for them. Russians in Chechnya were robbed, killed, (savagely killed) by tens of thousands. Has anyone been punished for this? Are such cases being investigated? Make it to court? When it starts, then I will believe that the power in the country was taken by a person who is not interested in the power itself and the grandmother, but in the people of the country (already, in general, his survival).
  36. +2
    21 May 2013 09: 50
    Quote: adg76
    Quote: Onotolle
    Until the state-forming (?) Role of the Russian people is legislated and supported and strengthened in every way, the mess will continue.

    Not only to consolidate, but also to instill a culture of weapons starting from the elementary grades of school. Make it possible to wear it. Both boys and girls! Change the legislation in such a way that the one who defends himself could use any weapon. And the law did not find out whether self-defense was exceeded or not exceeded, but only who first started. The one who started is to blame. And in general, the limit of self-defense is nonsense in the current situation. If they came to my village with cudgels or knives to sort things out, then, defending my village and the lives of the inhabitants, I should have the right to use weapons, and be exempted from any notions of "excess of self-defense."
    This we will not have the power is afraid of their people all banned except pneumatics.
    1. adg76
      +2
      21 May 2013 10: 13
      Obtaining permission to weapons is not so difficult. Join the society of hunters, get a state ticket. sample, further in LRO. (This does not apply to injuries. I have permission, but I do not advise buying. They will put you and not the attacker. This is to talk about exceeding self-defense). But pneumatics in your pocket, let's say softly pampering. In addition to crippling a person, she is no longer good for anything. ITS here it is necessary to prohibit. And for wearing it plant. As well as for carrying a knife in a pocket (and not in a bag) within the boundaries of a settlement. An honest man does not need a knife in his pocket in the city or village. Mushrooms do not grow there.
      1. Baboon
        +1
        21 May 2013 13: 00
        I am also against pneumatics, because you can run into a person with a firearm, and in this situation (a few seconds) he will definitely not consider what is in his hand, pneumatics or not.
  37. +6
    21 May 2013 10: 04
    The Caucasian people froze in a tribal system, it is stronger, but it does not bring any benefit to the state, and quite the contrary it destroys it. And the government is trying to wire two different units and make them work together, maybe they will work, but not for long and in the end we get 2 idle unit.
    And to begin by bringing everyone into equal positions is a ban on all national diasporas.
    1. +5
      21 May 2013 10: 13
      Well, you forbid their diasporas, and they will send you and that’s it. It is necessary to revive YOUR Diaspora!
      1. +2
        21 May 2013 10: 28
        Yeah, let's slide down into the tribal system and everyone will "pull the blanket over themselves"
        No, there are laws and they should work the same for everyone.
        And who does not agree, to force.
  38. +4
    21 May 2013 10: 09
    I wrote the previous comment without looking at the state of emergency link. Yes, indeed, they are riding on the neck because we are carrying: officials and Caucasians and oligarchs and other free-standing hamsters. Maybe the truth is, it's time to remember that we are RUSSIAN, and then they will immediately take their place (in the corner of the barrel).
  39. +5
    21 May 2013 10: 10
    "What prevents to stop the expansion of radical Islam in the regions of Russia (by the example of the North Caucasus Federal District)?" ... the actions of the Russian government ... they subsidize it from the federal budget ... they sound like various programs to change the economy ... but the essence is the same, the effect is the same.Let them answer one simple question ... where does the money from the type of "beggars" Caucasians come from ??? Who is the sponsor besides the federal budget ??? From where money for not a bad life, they do not use labor of themselves ???
  40. optimist
    +6
    21 May 2013 10: 14
    Another hello to the putinoids! Well, your "guarantor" sniffed with black ... and gave them a bunch of dough and preferences? Article minus: the author, apparently, forgot that the friendship of peoples disappeared along with the USSR. Now the question is concrete and tough: either we will drive them into the "reservations", or they will drive us. The unforgettable Joseph Vissarionovich at one time showed concisely how to solve this issue. And now it seems that the supreme power is deliberately and deliberately pushing the country towards interethnic war. If desired, all these "animals" can be dispersed in their uluses in a couple of months. am
  41. Larus
    +10
    21 May 2013 10: 18
    This power interferes, because she benefits from such a situation in the country. This is an anti-Russian government that lives for its enrichment and is not interested in anything else. As long as there is no Leader who cares about what is happening in the country and the people have no one to follow. I hope that they will not sit in holes, when the time comes to declare your rights to the country.
  42. +10
    21 May 2013 10: 27
    I’ll start with the fact that he’s a Muslim himself. But you know from the article that mosques grow like mushrooms after rain. Isn’t there any regulatory document that would regulate the construction of mosques? Why isn’t work being carried out to capture aggressive people who, by the way are always in the mosque? and here is not a question in Islam, here is a question for religion in general, which must be controlled, because this is a serious force. In addition, in any state there should be a committee empowered with authority, which will specifically decide and verify a particular institution, published literature. If now we begin to take tough actions to reduce the influence of Islam on the region, I’m afraid that hassles and victims not to be avoided.
    1. Seriy
      +3
      21 May 2013 11: 27
      I agree, the question is not religion at all, Christianity was also very bloodthirsty not so long ago, the question is in people
      1. -5
        21 May 2013 13: 06
        Quote: Seriy
        Christianity too was very bloodthirsty not so long ago

        Go oversleep when this Christianity was bloodthirsty? Yes, we IN THOUGHTS CANNOT WISH EVIL NEARBY!
        1. Baboon
          +5
          21 May 2013 13: 48
          Why, he meant Catholics. Inquisition. Some crusades are worth something. So Europeans kindly sent their knights, and then Latin America did the good to local Aborigines?
        2. +5
          21 May 2013 16: 32
          you see, we succumb to the fact that claims begin because of religion, because of the attitude to a particular religion. And if you just leave it? for example, Syria, before the conflict, I watched a program where Christians and Muslims lived in the same region. in Egypt, everything was fine. In secular states, religion is distant from politics, and if religion is given at least a little more privileges than necessary, hostility begins for those who try to show what kind of super believer he is. There are 2 religions in my family, but the topic of faith has always been far from important issues needed to resolve. therefore, I believe that religion cannot be compared, everyone has their own faith, everyone has their own freedom of conscience ...
        3. alexanderrus.
          -1
          21 May 2013 19: 51
          Now Christianity is not bloodthirsty, but just greedy.
          1. 0
            22 May 2013 08: 34
            but what does Christianity have to do with it? The question is, in another, that religion has gone too far. One cannot evaluate it this way. In any religion there are many currents and each interprets it in its own way, as in law, it can be interpreted in its own way
      2. 0
        21 May 2013 14: 02
        Christ teaches forgiveness, but in Islam? So the bloodthirstiness of Christianity is a lie.
        1. Baboon
          +2
          21 May 2013 14: 06
          Teaches, so have always forgiven? Well, the Inquisition was there, but the Albigensian wars? they forgiven cool there.
          1. +3
            21 May 2013 15: 48
            When the followers of Christ became "power" they were cleverly "led" by the same politicians and priests. We all remember “if you cannot win, lead”, “cast a stone who is without sin” - “the infallible pope” also blesses anyone, and even apologizes to the Jews for persecuting them because of their murder of Christ.
  43. +6
    21 May 2013 10: 29
    In our country, for some reason, the laws even work for the benefit of not honor. For example, if a Russian rushes to honor with a knife, then it’s racism right away, if not honor before self-defense.
    In the year 2007 he went to a friend in Ulyanovsk who worked as a cop in the Lenin department of the city. He told me the story that in the park they killed a young Muslim man, all the cop authorities caught up with the authorities from all over the city. Not long before that, not far from this place, a Russian guy was killed - a duty investigator, operas and a forensic scientist arrived.
    Yes, they have such a mountain for each other. We don’t have permission yet, we won’t do it - THIS IS NOT MY PROBLEMS THIS ME DOESN'T RELEASE AN ETERNAL DISAPPEARANCE. THESE ARE OUR PROBLEMS.
    1. 0
      21 May 2013 10: 47
      the law of the Republic of Uzbekistan "on freedom of conscience and religious organizations" may and will be ridiculous, but this law really works and there is control by the relevant body
  44. +10
    21 May 2013 10: 30
    What prevents stopping the expansion of radical Islam in the regions of Russia (on the example of the North Caucasus Federal District)?

    The absence of Comrade Stalin and the NKVD divisions in the Caucasus interferes.
    ...
    The girls themselves parents (mostly fathers, one of whom, by the way, at one time, law enforcement officers discovered the same extremist literature) are trying to convince everyone that girls, as faithful Muslims, themselves want to go to school in hijabs, but this “self-desire” is more an attempt of a certain provocation is seen.

    But then what about the insult to the religious feelings of Christians?
    ...
    ... they say, if the teachers in the same Stavropol Territory are embarrassed by hijabs, then why aren't they embarrassed by piercing in the belly buttons or miniskirts of other schoolgirls ... Indeed, the argument is weighty ...

    Miniskirt and piercing do not belong to the religious traditions of any category of people. So you can call into question the wearing, for example, boots and boots. So this argument is not significant, but insignificant.
    ...
    And this increase is visible, as they say, with the naked eye: if in Russian families 1-2 children are most often born, then Caucasian families are usually set up to give birth to at least three children. Moreover, if Russian families, justifying themselves for a small number of children, are inclined to say that, they say, problems with housing, low wages, lack of employment prospects, then for Caucasian families all this household background is extremely rarely associated with childbearing.

    Isn't that so? Don't Russians have problems with housing and wages? Look at the Chechens, Dags, etc. in that region, they don't work anywhere, but they live better than the Russian-speaking population. How does this happen? A question for the government. And it turns out that the Chiechs and Daghs do not have "this household background", so they breed.
    ...
    Returning to the radical Islamization of the Russian Caucasus, is there any way to stop this process at the legislative level? On the one hand, a number of restrictive measures can be introduced aimed at banning the construction of new mosques, appearing in religious vestments in public places, street prayers and other things. But after all, as you know, prohibitive steps do not always lead to positive results. On the contrary, they can cause a flurry in a very heated region.

    What a flurry? What is it about? As already mentioned above - the NKVD division. All.
    ...
    But there is one more aspect of the problem: any Caucasian community is a priori much more united than the modern Russian group of people (plus for the Caucasian communities, and minus us today). This is manifested even within the framework of the army service ...

    But this is yes. Fact. The Russian fools are ready to gnaw each other's throats, and they are afraid to act together against the LKNs. Although, in general, the Russians are afraid to speak out not against the LCNs, but 282 articles, not in vain called by the people "Russian". And examples of different attitudes of the courts and authorities towards the participants in the "showdown" between the Russian-speaking and the LCN in recent years, oh, how many.
    Now, if it were like in the Republic of Belarus ... (there are examples too winked )
  45. +16
    21 May 2013 10: 39
    Stop hysteria! Give birth to children, bring up sons yourself and listen to fewer women on this issue! Give sports boys in the section, prepare for the army! Help people as much as you can - brothers, sisters, neighbors, friends, just needing ... The time will come and help you. Go to church, there are many honest people, both young and old! Where people together, together, problems are solved faster! If the Lord did not give children, go to orphanages. To help your neighbor is in our national character. Where the Russians together do not have the problems described here, but it doesn’t arise for so long! Kuban is an example and not only!
    1. Lakkuchu
      +6
      21 May 2013 11: 46
      Quote: Oper
      Stop hysteria! Give birth to children, bring up sons yourself and listen to fewer women on this issue! Give sports boys in the section, prepare for the army! Help people as much as you can - brothers, sisters, neighbors, friends, just needing ... The time will come and help you. Go to church, there are many honest people, both young and old! Where people together, together, problems are solved faster! If the Lord did not give children, go to orphanages. To help your neighbor is in our national character. Where the Russians together do not have the problems described here, but it doesn’t arise for so long! Kuban is an example and not only!

      Correct words. The most honest comment and without insults. Everyone needs to start with themselves.
  46. +8
    21 May 2013 10: 57
    There is an article in the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation - for inciting ethnic hatred, according to which, in any conflict, the Russian is to blame (interesting information flew about the conviction under this article for "humiliating" Caucasians in the comments on some website). For some reason, Kvachkov comes to mind ...
    And one more thing - the diasporas willingly pay officials and buy loyalty, while Russians hope for "justice" ...
    1. +2
      21 May 2013 11: 59
      Quote: COBOK
      There is an article in the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation - for inciting ethnic hatred, according to which, in any conflict, the Russian is to blame (interesting information flew about the conviction under this article for "humiliating" Caucasians in the comments on some website). For some reason, Kvachkov comes to mind ...
      And one more thing - the diasporas willingly pay officials and buy loyalty, while Russians hope for "justice" ...

      What kind of thing do you write, like some. Like this article is against Russian, I saw a lot of situations where Russian is against non-Russian. He wins in court who has MORE MONEY !!!!
      Regarding the diaspora, why did you raise these diasporas to the rank of some kind of controlling body ??? At the head of these diasporas are the richest people who are closely intertwined with the state. Maximum ro these ordinary diasporas know the name of its head. In most cases, the effect is negligible on their fellow countrymen and mostly in a mess, EVERYONE SAVES HIS SKIN MYSELF !!!
      If these diasporas were, as the average Russian imagines, it would be a paradise for visitors.
      At the most, these Diasporas that I do organize concerts spending a lot of money on unnecessary singers and on mourning dates to give some kind of speech. And then sending you, so the Diaspora is some kind of helping body where the dispatcher answers calls from ALO series I LOVE YOU WHAT YOU KILLED RUSSIAN? DONT BE ATTENDED BY THE ATTENDANT LAWYER LEAVED, NOW CALL THEIR HEAD TO TRANSFER AMOUNTS AND YOU ARE FREE. All usually, when a Caucasian was detained and there were many of his compatriots, there were many friends .What a Russian has 50 at a wedding, and a Caucasian has a minimum of 250, this indicates the level of cohesion.
      1. +1
        21 May 2013 13: 10
        Ali, it seems to me that you are starting to love Russians?
        1. +3
          21 May 2013 14: 31
          Quote: Uncle
          Do you think you start to love Russians?

          Yes, I kind of hated it. I said a pragmatist. I have more hatred than feelings and I don’t hate Armenians. I’m just against hypocrisy and 2 double standards. And I’m telling the truth that I’m Russian and mine.
          Problems can be solved if laws would work. But they do not work, and society does not want to regulate everything itself.
          Even look that we are discussing the problem that some indigenous citizens of the Russian Federation begin to move from one part of the Russian Federation to another. I would really be outraged in the place of the North Caucasians. But the trick is that the Russians have long perceived the North Caucasian republics as separate independent states and those also perceive Russia.
          1. Yarbay
            +4
            21 May 2013 14: 42
            Quote: Yeraz
            But the trick is that the Russians have long perceived the North Caucasian republics as separate independent states, and they also perceive Russia.

            here I agree with you!
            To not say, but even the discussions show that de facto have become different!
            I don’t feel at all like k!
            1. +4
              21 May 2013 14: 47
              Quote: Yarbay
              here I agree with you!
              To not say, but even the discussions show that de facto have become different!
              I don’t feel at all like k!

              Yes, it’s just zero. Azerbaijan, Chechnya, Dagestan for the average Russian are like regions of one state named CAUCASUS !! But most of them really are. But it’s a shame different, Baku and Grozny, which in a modern style are perceived as one village, well, there are cars , donkeys, etc.And the most surprising is when recently a Russian girl at work said about come to us in Baku there is cool, she asked in all seriousness A ME RUSSIAN THERE WILL BE MISSED ???? This is such a question ??? Caucasus. From one angle and one direction. Like the West with the Russians from the series Bear and Drunk Ivan.
              1. 0
                21 May 2013 16: 09
                I had a little to do with the Chechens, there are normal people, but there are in nature eccentrics with the letter "m". Grown people, and jokes are moronic, I don’t remember such from the time in the army. And it is not surprising that everyone is judged in the image of one.
              2. 0
                21 May 2013 16: 57
                The fun. He described reality in a funny way. By the way, I don’t drink!
              3. -1
                21 May 2013 17: 32
                Quote: Yeraz
                the most amazing thing is when recently a Russian girl at work said about come to us in Baku there is fun

                In Baku. I liked it.
  47. RUS
    RUS
    +7
    21 May 2013 11: 11
    Although I am an opponent of Stalin, I am more and more inclined to believe that he was right when he exiled "uncontrollable" Caucasians to Sr. Asia.
  48. dc120mm
    +3
    21 May 2013 11: 19
    Very interesting.

    There is one question. That Stavropol Territory leaves the Russian population huh? In Alanya, too? leave Ossetia Alania? are there also a majority of Christians, they are not free to develop radical Islam? My friend said that in Alanya, Islam would be picking up radical power (he is from Vladikavkaz).
  49. Seriy
    +1
    21 May 2013 11: 24
    I agree in many respects with the author. The existing problems in interethnic relations should be taken as a lesson to our people who have forgotten, it does not matter for what reasons their roots. As a result, having slightly supplemented the author, I see the solution as follows:
    1. Demography is the main issue. Each family should have at least 2-3 children. Do not look for an excuse in money, it is not in vain that it says: If God gives a child, he will give a child. The seeker will find.
    2. National identity. It is necessary to realize that each of us is not on our own, but part of a single whole.
    3. Healthy lifestyle. After school, institute, a rare person continues to do some physical activity at least once every few days, and as a rule it combines this with beer and cigarettes.
    Those. a change in the value system is necessary, the realization that the pleasure of drinking alcohol and cigarettes is short-term, followed by reckoning and not so much what - kicks from representatives of neighboring nations or a serious illness. The main joy brings life in itself, well-being, children, simple things in general.
    ps He quit smoking himself after 10 years of experience, he was completely addicted to alcohol
  50. amp
    amp
    -3
    21 May 2013 11: 29
    The funny thing is that there are still people who are sleeping and seeing how to include Central Asia and Azerbaijan in Russia, and for no reason want to separate the North Caucasus from Russia.
    1. MVS
      MVS
      +4
      21 May 2013 11: 40
      Quote: amp
      The funny thing is that there are still people who are sleeping and seeing how to include Central Asia and Azerbaijan in Russia, and for no reason want to separate the North Caucasus from Russia.

      If I understand you correctly, do you want to separate the Caucasus? And the fact that there are many Russians in the Caucasus doesn’t change anything? And the fact that beyond the Caucasus we will lose Tatarstan, Tuva, Yakutia (!!!).
      Squandering the land that our ancestors bought with blood is a crime. There are problems, somewhere they are stronger, somewhere weaker, but they must be solved, and not run away from them. Stop pouring water at the Pentagon's mill.
      1. amp
        amp
        +1
        21 May 2013 11: 44
        There are no Russians in Chechnya or Dagestan for a long time.
        And where does Tatarstan and even more so Yakutia?
        1. MVS
          MVS
          0
          21 May 2013 11: 57
          Quote: amp
          There are no Russians in Chechnya or Dagestan for a long time.

          The Caucasus is not only Chechnya and Dagestan. And there 3,5% of the population are Russians.
          Quote: amp

          And where does Tatarstan and even more so Yakutia?

          And despite the fact that in the 1990s, when the First Chechen War began in these republics and Bashkortostan, independent of the Center were created: taxes (not transferred to the budget of the Russian Federation), the prosecutor’s office, the judiciary, lawyers and notaries, local laws were refuted by federal . In Tula and Kirov, they developed their own constitution (in addition to everything that happens). And that’s not all.
          1. amp
            amp
            +3
            21 May 2013 12: 03
            However, neither in Bashkiria, nor in Tula did the Russians cut out and enslave them like that? Only a full down does not see the difference between the Tatars, Dagis and Chicha.

            3,5% of Russians need to be withdrawn to Russia. In return for all the dag and chicha deport to their homeland. To build a fortified area on the border and the problem of Stavropol, as well as the whole of Russia, has been solved.

            Personally, I see no benefit to the Russians in Chechnya and Dagestan as part of Russia, and the problems are higher than the roof.
            1. MVS
              MVS
              +1
              21 May 2013 12: 20
              Quote: amp

              Personally, I see no benefit to the Russians in Chechnya and Dagestan as part of Russia, and the problems are higher than the roof.

              Did you want a third Chechen war? If the Russian Federation leaves there, the consequences will be disentangled by the great-grandchildren of our great-grandchildren. Think well what a headache we will get in the face of another "independent" state. At best, NATO bases. At worst, war.
              Quote: amp
              However, neither in Bashkiria, nor in Tula did the Russians cut out and enslave them like that? Only a full down does not see the difference between the Tatars, Dagis and Chicha.
              3,5% of Russians need to be withdrawn to Russia. In return for all the dag and chicha deport to their homeland. To build a fortified area on the border and the problem of Stavropol, as well as the whole of Russia, has been solved.

              I repeat for the gifted
              Quote: MVS

              The Caucasus is not only Chechnya and Dagestan.

              Quote: MVS
              beyond the Caucasus we will lose Tatarstan, Tuva, Yakutia (!!!).

              This, as I understand it, is not enough? About the problems that we are raking, I already wrote above, I do not want to repeat myself. With a trailer we lose in the face of the republics minerals and a decent earth shmat.
              1. amp
                amp
                +3
                21 May 2013 12: 31
                People FEET vote against life side by side with the Caucasians. What are the detachments you put up and forbid to leave? After 10 years, there will be a majority of them in the Stavropol Territory and we will lose the Stavropol Territory, as we have already lost Chechnya and Dagestan. They are only formally part of Russia, but in reality not a single Russian in their right mind will live there. This is clear?
                1. MVS
                  MVS
                  +1
                  21 May 2013 12: 37
                  Quote: amp
                  People FEET vote against life side by side with the Caucasians. What are the detachments you put up and forbid to leave? After 10 years, there will be a majority of them in the Stavropol Territory and we will lose the Stavropol Territory, as we have already lost Chechnya and Dagestan. They are only formally part of Russia, but in reality not a single Russian in their right mind will live there. This is clear?

                  No need to tell me how the Russians leave here (and not only). They leave here because:
                  1 no work
                  2 nowhere to learn
                  3 salaries are tiny
                  4 no growth prospects (if you do not have a bag of money, of course)
                  And everyone leaves here, there is nothing to catch here. It's good to shout about such things from Ryazan. This is clear?
                  1. amp
                    amp
                    +1
                    21 May 2013 12: 59
                    Why then% Chuorok grows, and% Russian falls?
                    1. MVS
                      MVS
                      -3
                      21 May 2013 13: 06
                      Quote: amp
                      Why then% Chuorok grows, and% Russian falls?

                      Because parents very often force back. Especially in our republic (why - I do not know). But the Russians are leaving, they see a normal salary / study / work / prospects and do not return. Any questions?
                2. Baboon
                  +1
                  21 May 2013 12: 40
                  So in Russia itself how many representatives from the Caucasian republics live, we will still live together next door. And what are you going to do with them?
                  1. amp
                    amp
                    +2
                    21 May 2013 13: 04
                    Deport.
                3. Lakkuchu
                  0
                  21 May 2013 13: 27
                  Quote: amp
                  They are only formally part of Russia, but in reality not a single Russian in their right mind will live there

                  You have now insulted a large number of people ... Russian people. According to the 2010 census, 104.0 thousand Russians live in Dagestan (excluding Ukrainians and Belarusians). It turns out that they are all not in their right mind ?! MVS outlined the main reasons for leaving below, correctly noting that not only the Slavs are leaving, but also representatives of indigenous nationalities, and the reasons for leaving are the same for everyone. Nobody in Dagestan oppresses Russians, they do not kill on ethnic grounds, as they do in the central regions of Russia, there are no nationalist gangs here, after all, you will not see the "Dagestan Marches" and other gatherings of nationalists here.
                  1. itkul
                    +1
                    21 May 2013 17: 43
                    Quote: Lakkuchu
                    According to the 2010 census, 104.0 thousand Russians live in Dagestan (without Ukrainians and Belarusians).


                    Have you counted the Russians in Zindans or not

                    http://kavpolit.com/rabov-v-dagestan-vezut-iz-moskvy/

                    Since September last year in Dagestan, the Alternative movement and local volunteers freed about 50 people from slavery, Oleg Melnikov said: “Almost all of these people went to Dagestan in the same way - people approached them at bus stops and offered good jobs. Those who did not want to go were soldered, sleeping pills were added to the food. So they ended up in Dagestan. ”
                    1. Lakkuchu
                      +1
                      21 May 2013 19: 17
                      Quote: itkul
                      Have you counted the Russians in Zindans or not

                      50 people who, incidentally, were helped by local volunteers to find and release, that is, Dagestanis. Where can Dagestan compete in slaves for example with Moscow. In Moscow, the bill for slaves goes to tens and hundreds of thousands. And there is no one in a hurry to free them. Recall how dozens of migrant workers locked up indoors burned alive?
                      From the message of the IC of the Russian Federation: In Yegoryevsk near Moscow, the former factory for tailoring caught fire on the eve. In the fire killed 14 citizens of Vietnam, illegally working in the territory of the Russian Federation. Migrant workers were unable to escape, as they were walled up by their employers in the factory premises: the door to the street opened only outside and at night - the necessary products were handed over to people. The rest of the time they were locked in rooms where they had to live and work in inhuman conditions.
                      There are many such cases, but they remain without attention. Someone in Russia is interested in the lives of some Gaster. As for those Dagestanis who are engaged in such a dirty business, I can only say that they are creatures that dishonor us all and I hope they will answer according to the law.
                      1. 0
                        21 May 2013 19: 32
                        Quote: Lakkuchu
                        In Egorievsk, Moscow Region, the day before, a former factory for tailoring caught fire. In the fire killed 14 citizens of Vietnam, illegally working in the territory of the Russian Federation. Migrant workers were unable to escape, as they were walled up by their employers in the factory premises

                        Most often, such factories are created and controlled by their own (ethnically), outsiders may not know together with the authorities who have enough bribes to not know.
                      2. itkul
                        +1
                        21 May 2013 19: 47
                        Quote: Lakkuchu
                        Where can Dagestan compete in slaves for example with Moscow. In Moscow, the bill for slaves goes to tens and hundreds of thousands. And there is no one in a hurry to free them


                        It seems to me that the so-called "slave" in Moscow needs only to leave the room in which he is being held and ask for help from the first person he meets, and they will help him. In Dagestan, everyone is tied to each other and there is nowhere to wait for help. facts, then it is necessary to immediately punish the heads of local self-government demonstratively, since they do not have control of the situation at their local level.
                  2. +2
                    21 May 2013 19: 47
                    Do not forget that the Dagestanis massively opposed the militants who leaked into their republic from Chechnya and restrained their progress until regular units were deployed. And the fact that there is no normal work there, they can ask the management there (starting with them and ending with ours).
            2. +2
              21 May 2013 14: 10
              They told you a wise thing squandering of Russian territories is a crime. What then will remain of Russia ?! Moscow region? and a few more areas? People like you are ready to give everything if only they would not be touched.
      2. 12061973
        -1
        21 May 2013 15: 21
        Tuva became part of the USSR and before that was independent.
  51. +2
    21 May 2013 11: 45
    Yes, let’s also give the Kuril Islands to the Japs and South Sakhalin is probably in vain, probably our grandfathers fought there with the last stronghold of the 3rd Reich. And we will return Karelia to Finam.
    The well-being of the state lies in its integrity and indivisibility. If we start tearing the country apart and scattering territory, then this is complete pi......
    1. amp
      amp
      -4
      21 May 2013 11: 51
      What the hell is the connection between the Kuril Islands and the Caucasus?!
      Did you skip geography at school?
      I'm already silent about the story...
      1. +3
        21 May 2013 12: 10
        Quote: amp
        I'm already silent about the story...

        Dear, you don’t know history. Fenced off twice. Both times with zero results.
        1. bask
          +2
          21 May 2013 12: 19
          Quote: Spade
          You don't know history. Fenced off twice. Both times with zero results

          The enemy can only be defeated on its territory.
          Although Israel fenced itself off, and with very good results. After the construction of the wall, there were no major terrorist attacks in Israel.
          A good wall, I think it didn’t hurt. And the main thing is to let everyone out, but not to let anyone in!!!
          227 cl only for travel with Egypt.
          1. 0
            21 May 2013 19: 53
            “It’s a good wall, I think it didn’t hurt. And the main thing is to let everyone out”

            Is this supposed to give officials something to do after the Olympics?

            We need to start by introducing visas for Tajiks/Kyrgyzs from Central Asia; these, in the position of powerless slaves, only bring profit to their slave owner, and bring illness and crime to the local population. How we will solve this problem is to deal with our citizens.
            1. jump master
              0
              22 May 2013 00: 44
              We need to start with the arrangement of the border line! We can be friends, help, we can not be friends - it doesn’t matter! We strengthen the border, checkpoints, visas and so on. And everything will be fine
      2. +1
        22 May 2013 00: 06
        Quote: amp
        What the hell is the connection between the Kuril Islands and the Caucasus?!

        And if the Kuril Islands are populated by Caucasians, then, according to your logic, they will also have to be separated?
    2. Baboon
      +1
      21 May 2013 12: 12
      You got excited about the Kuril Islands. The Japs did not live in the Kuril Islands, but the Chechens seemed to have always lived in Chechnya. Yes, and Karelia is inhabited, although by Finno-Ugric peoples, but not by the Finns themselves?
      1. jump master
        +1
        22 May 2013 00: 45
        Well, the Chechens lived only in mountainous regions and had nothing to do with lowland Chechnya.
      2. 0
        24 May 2013 17: 05
        In Karelia, 83% are Russian.
    3. DeerIvanovich
      0
      21 May 2013 20: 15
      Horror ...
      Finns and our Karelians are one and the same people - Korela, well, the Finns also have a little something in common. Before Finland returned to us under the Russian Empire, it was under the rule of Sweden, and before that the Korels, together with the Novgorodians, fought against the Swedes and Emi.
      The Kuril Islands and Sakhalin, as well as Hokkaido, were included in the Russian Empire when the Ainu were accepted as citizens as lands belonging to them.
  52. +2
    21 May 2013 11: 49
    Quote: amp
    The funny thing is that there are still people who are sleeping and seeing how to include Central Asia and Azerbaijan in Russia, and for no reason want to separate the North Caucasus from Russia.

    Stop squandering government lands! So you won’t get any volosts of impostors!
    1. amp
      amp
      +2
      21 May 2013 11: 52
      Why don’t you want to live in Chechnya, smart guy?
  53. +5
    21 May 2013 11: 54
    A little about the good.

    Yes, among bad people there are always good ones.
    -In the year somewhere around 2004-2005, I was driving in the vastness of our country and then the timing belt broke. I probably stood there for about 2 hours. whatever someone would take for a tie. And it’s a shame that not only the Russian bastard didn’t stop, but only the chebureks stopped, which in Russian is not a thorn at all.
    -In the year 2000, when cellular communications were just gaining momentum. I broke down at the entrance to the city, a remote place with no villages, and again only the Chebureks stopped, gave me a phone to call and refused money, although at that time cellular communications consumed a lot of money.
    1. 0
      21 May 2013 13: 16
      Quote: Hedgehog
      Yes, among bad people there are always good ones.

      So you want to say that Russia is filled with good and sympathetic people from Asia and this is good?
      1. 0
        21 May 2013 15: 21
        No, I don't mean to say that. Read my comments above. Why would they all be evicted from here? We Russians have to put a big pile on top of each other and let each one deal with his own problems. They don't do that.
  54. +2
    21 May 2013 12: 07
    Quote: amp
    Why don’t you want to live in Chechnya, smart guy?

    Until recently, I had to visit regularly and for a long time, just like in Dagestan. Thanks for the smart guy - learn.
    Quote: dc120mm
    Is it like this in Alanya too? leaving Ossetian Alania? There are also a majority of Christians, are they not happy with the development of radical Islam?

    Everything is normal in Alanya. In South Ossetia now too. A children's South Ossetian dance ensemble recently performed in Vladikavkaz. Everything is going as usual.
    1. amp
      amp
      +2
      21 May 2013 12: 12
      The key word here is to be.
      My grandmother lived in Grozny most of her life and her words in 1999 when the war began were: nothing good will happen there. None of the Russian refugees are going to return there. Only smart people like you are going to go there. ))))
    2. 0
      21 May 2013 12: 14
      It's not all that normal there. Just as they fiercely hated their neighbors from the east, they still do.
      I wonder if the police still escort buses from Nazran to Karts?
  55. amp
    amp
    +2
    21 May 2013 12: 09
    I recommend to all smart people who are afraid of the collapse of Russia to move to Chechnya to increase the percentage of the Russian population there. Anyone can shout about the fight for the Caucasus to the last drop of Russian blood while sitting somewhere in Ryazan.
    I’m more than sure that not one of these smart guys lives in Dagestan, and is not even going there as a tourist.
    1. 0
      21 May 2013 12: 28
      Have you felt the past “disengagement” firsthand?

      Apparently not. You don’t know what explosions are, you don’t know what being taken into slavery or for ransom is. You haven’t seen tractor drivers or shepherds with machine guns.

      And you didn’t have to correct the mistakes of such “demarcation”

      That’s why you’re hysterical here about Ryazan.
      1. amp
        amp
        -3
        21 May 2013 12: 33
        Are you an idiot or what?
        1. +1
          21 May 2013 12: 52
          Don't think. But I’m not sure about you.
          "Separators" have the right to vote only after signing a contract for service in 58A. And nothing else.
    2. MVS
      MVS
      0
      21 May 2013 12: 28
      Quote: amp

      I’m more than sure that not one of these smart guys lives in Dagestan, and is not even going there as a tourist.

      I live in KCR.
      1. amp
        amp
        -1
        21 May 2013 12: 36
        And how is it there? Chocks don't press? Nude nude. ))))
        1. MVS
          MVS
          +4
          21 May 2013 12: 43
          Quote: amp
          And how is it there? Chocks don't press? Nude nude. ))))

          No. I can’t help such smart people who believe the stories of liberals.
          And please, write respectfully about representatives of other nationalities. It's at least not pretty.
          1. amp
            amp
            0
            21 May 2013 12: 56
            Yes, you yourself are a lunatic!
            It seems that the chichis and dags are sitting here and writing against the secession of the Caucasus. Of course, I am against being separated from the feeding trough.
            1. MVS
              MVS
              +4
              21 May 2013 13: 01
              Quote: amp
              Yes, you yourself are a lunatic!
              It seems that the chichis and dags are sitting here and writing against the secession of the Caucasus. Of course, I am against being separated from the feeding trough.

              They figured it out. Of course I’m a fool and you figured out all my cunning plans. Calm down a little and come to your senses, and then write. + for humor.
        2. bask
          +3
          21 May 2013 12: 47
          Quote: amp
          And how is it there? Chocks don't press? Nude nude

          They're still pressing!
          What is stopping the expansion of radical Islam in the regions of Russia? (

          Not WHAT AND WHO IS STOPING THE EXPANSION???
          I think the same ones who started the genocide of Russians in Chechnya in the 90s, squeezing Russians out of all the North Caucasus republics.
          This is the Zionist lobby in Russia, which is directly subordinate to the world government of Satan.
          THE RUSSIAN NATION IS LIKE A BONE IN THEIR THROAT FOR THEM! Interfering with the implementation of their vile plans to seize and control the whole world!!!!

          AND TRANSFORMING PEOPLE INTO BIOROBOTS. WORKING FOR THEIR corporations.
        3. +2
          21 May 2013 12: 53
          Suckers are being pressed. And not only “chocks”
          1. MVS
            MVS
            +2
            21 May 2013 12: 54
            Quote: Spade
            Suckers are being pressed. And not only “chocks”

            And not only in the Caucasus. + to you
            1. +1
              21 May 2013 13: 02
              I lived in Ossetia for a long time. In the Caucasus, only strength is truly respected. But not physical, but moral.
              1. bask
                +4
                21 May 2013 13: 05
                Quote: Spade
                I lived in Ossetia for a long time. In the Caucasus, only strength is truly respected. But not physical, but moral

                Ah, I lived in the Chechen Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic for a long time.
                Not only moral, but also PHYSICAL!
                1. +1
                  21 May 2013 13: 22
                  People who are physically strong but weak in spirit will not be respected. Fact.
          2. amp
            amp
            0
            21 May 2013 13: 02
            That is, the Russian population are suckers who need to be pressed? Would you go to Chechnya to live with such a philosophy!
            I personally want to live in a normal civilized state where no one puts pressure on anyone.
            1. -2
              21 May 2013 13: 15
              Go to Europe. They treat everyone there very tolerantly.
              1. amp
                amp
                +1
                21 May 2013 13: 19
                Are you supposed to leave Russia to the idiots?
                You'll scratch yourself.
                1. -1
                  21 May 2013 13: 26
                  Do you think that in Russia we need weaklings like you? Who are so afraid of the “chocks” that they are even ready to build a wall around the North Caucasus?

                  Go ahead, we won’t even notice your absence.
            2. -1
              21 May 2013 14: 35
              Quote: amp
              I personally want to live in a normal civilized state where no one puts pressure on anyone.

              Is it on Mars? Say hello to the Martians!!! smile
          3. bask
            +7
            21 May 2013 13: 16
            Quote: Spade
            Suckers are being pressed. And not only "chocks"

            And I was a sucker because until 92 I believed in FRIENDSHIP OF PEOPLES
            Until they started cutting men and women from the throat to the pubis.
            Mutilated corpses were lying all over the vacant lots.
            For those who survived, it’s no laughing matter. It’s over.
            20 years have passed, I still have nightmares. ((Vietnamese cider)).
            And I’m afraid an ethnic war is still ahead.
            The authorities are not doing anything against religious extremists. 5-10 will destroy 1000 in their place.
            They can be defeated by harsh force and ideological measures.
            1. +3
              21 May 2013 13: 20
              Quote: bask
              The authorities are doing nothing against religious extremists

              Everything is done for their double growth.
            2. MVS
              MVS
              +1
              21 May 2013 13: 24
              Quote: bask

              And I was a sucker because until 92 I believed in FRIENDSHIP OF PEOPLES
              Until they started cutting men and women from the throat to the pubis.
              Mutilated corpses were lying all over the vacant lots.
              For those who survived, it’s no laughing matter. It’s over.
              20 years have passed, I still have nightmares. ((Vietnamese cider)).
              And I’m afraid an ethnic war is still ahead.
              The authorities are not doing anything against religious extremists. 5-10 will destroy 1000 in their place.
              They can be defeated by harsh force and ideological measures.

              But here I agree. Terrorism must be fought. But here we are discussing not that horror, but today. Although what was forgotten cannot be forgotten. I hope this never happens again.
            3. +1
              21 May 2013 13: 28
              And when did this happen? And not only in Chechnya. It is correct when the central government withdraws itself from establishing order on the outskirts of the country.
              1. +1
                21 May 2013 20: 08
                The issue needs to be resolved by eliminating illegal migration from abroad; if the authorities cannot figure this out, then they will not understand anything. And citizens from the North Caucasus are faced with a strong and incorruptible government in the Russian regions (not necessarily cruel). They will begin to respect her, and will slowly become infected with the same incorruptibility. But one can only dream about this. Although there seems to be some progress.
  56. Larus
    +4
    21 May 2013 12: 30
    Everyone here is well indignant, they offer to kill the chock, or to separate them, they hint at their close ties, but when was the last time they stood up for someone, when was the last time they stopped to help their own, they themselves at least once went to the end in matters of principle, or is the kitchen my platform, and the computer is my answer from afar?!! From the computer everyone is so brave, but in reality it turns out that they didn’t see it, turned away, quickened their pace and left.
    PS: In Chechnya, the Russians were slaughtered and expelled because they were not one whole, but they believed that if they closed themselves and hid behind the door, they would carry it through, but they wouldn’t spend their whole lives under the floor. My house on the edge doesn’t work for us.
    1. +1
      21 May 2013 13: 23
      Quote: Larus
      In Chechnya, Russians were slaughtered and expelled because they were not one

      It's time to realize who we are. We are a people, not a collection of individuals.
      1. bask
        +3
        21 May 2013 13: 46
        Quote: Uncle
        The time has come to realize who we are. We are a people, not a collection of individuals

        It’s a pity that awareness came only through RIVERS, the blood of Russian people..
        Pre-war Grozny, there are no photos left. The center of Grozny, how many Russian people there are.
        We lived like under communism: a big-nosed guy came, marked with booze, and it began.
        Where are the photo and film cameras directed, the government house.,,
    2. +2
      21 May 2013 20: 14
      Quote: Larus
      and when was the last time you stood up for someone, when was the last time you stopped to help your

      I apologize, in the summer of 2011, in my presence, a non-Russian young man in a Kruzak, driving through a red light, hit a guy about 22-25 years old. At the same time, he hit him so specifically that both of the boy’s legs turned into a solid mess of meat and bones. While I and two other passers-by were trying to help him, fiddling with bandages, taking off the belts to tighten what was left of his legs like tourniquets, the guy just died quietly: there was enormous blood loss and pain shock, most likely. Not a single one of the cars stopped, by the way, but they also honked for us to get out of the roadway. As a result, when the cops arrived - shameful creatures, excuse me, but I’m not going to call them officers, servicemen, or defenders - they simply shoved us into a monkey bar, helping us as “democratizers.” In the end, my old man pulled me out - thank you, I still had connections after serving in the RUOP and OBEP, but my two accomplices were given something like “deliberate infliction of grievous bodily harm resulting in the death of the victim,” something like that.
      So, excuse me, but the next time someone is being fucked/robbed/cut in front of me, I won’t call for help in case of a fire. And I won’t help until I know for sure that I won’t go to jail for my help, I won’t be fucked to death in the neighborhood, slandered by the local media, fired from my job as having discredited the glorious name of the organization, etc. Sorry , but the risk of getting attacked when following the norms of banal universal morality and the GTO is now incommensurate with the real benefits of such actions.
      Best regards hi
  57. +4
    21 May 2013 12: 35
    Quote: amp
    The key word here is to be. My grandmother lived in Grozny most of her life and her words in 1999 when the war began were: nothing good will happen there. None of the Russian refugees are going to return there. Only smart people like you are going to go there. ))))

    Your grandmother raised you poorly if you poke people you don’t know. Rudeness and rudeness in the Caucasus!
    Quote: amp
    Anyone can shout about the fight for the Caucasus to the last drop of Russian blood while sitting somewhere in Ryazan.

    And there were many Russians and not only Russian guys there, just like me, from Ryazan and Moscow and Kostroma and Kazan... And I’m not shouting about the fight for the Caucasus! It’s people like you who shout at all corners and pour buckets of negativity and slop at everyone and everything! Give you the freedom to separate everything from the Caucasus and Siberia and Tatarstan and the Kuril Islands...
    I have many friends and acquaintances from the North Caucasus. Many have already retired, many continue to risk their lives because neither they nor their families can imagine life apart from Russia. Will you separate them too?! This is troublesome. It’s better to separate yourself quietly.
    1. amp
      amp
      +1
      21 May 2013 12: 53
      So people from Stavropol region quietly separate from them. That's what the article is about, if you haven't noticed. The problem is that these goblins from the mountains go to indigenous Russia, where I live, and set up a homeless place here. And all because they are citizens of Russia and can live wherever they want. And cars are stolen from here to the Caucasus because there is no border.
      And there’s no need to talk nonsense about Siberia and the Kuril Islands, we’ve already had enough of the downs.
      1. 0
        21 May 2013 13: 00
        People are quietly separating not only from the Stavropol region. From almost the entire non-Moscow part of Russia. It's summer now. About two-thirds of the hard workers I know are now plowing in the Moscow region. And the reason for this is not the Chechens and Dagestanis.
        1. amp
          amp
          0
          21 May 2013 13: 08
          Who sells houses?
          We shouldn’t be treated like fools, right?
          1. MVS
            MVS
            -1
            21 May 2013 13: 10
            Quote: amp
            Who sells houses?

            Can you give those who want money to move? This changes things.
          2. -1
            21 May 2013 13: 21
            They sell it themselves. To buy a house in some Kolomna not far from the railway platform. Just two hours by train, and the head of the family is at his place of work.
  58. Abakanets
    +2
    21 May 2013 12: 48
    In the North Caucasus, genocide of the North Caucasian peoples and the inkwells who have joined them is urgently required.
  59. +5
    21 May 2013 12: 52
    Well, it is clearly unprofitable for Chechnya to separate from Russia, mainly Chechens live in Chechnya, they behave practically like an independent state, and the average Russian psychologically thinks that independent Azerbaijan and a subject of the Russian Federation Chechnya is perceived in the same way. They are developing calmly, the head of Chechnya is in many countries are met by senior leaders. In principle, apart from the separately outlined line on the globe, Chechnya is completely behaving independently, the population is increasing and the role of Chechnya in the North Caucasus is increasing more and more.
    The Kadyrovs, by going over to the side of the federals, took the right and strategic step for the Chechen people.
  60. +3
    21 May 2013 13: 06
    Quote: amp
    So people from Stavropol region quietly separate from them. That's what the article is about, if you haven't noticed. The problem is that these goblins from the mountains go to indigenous Russia, where I live, and set up a homeless place here. And all because they are citizens of Russia and can live wherever they want. And cars are stolen from here to the Caucasus because there is no border.
    And there’s no need to talk nonsense about Siberia and the Kuril Islands, we’ve already had enough of the downs.

    Once again I say poking strangers - rudeness! Persistently poking at the Internet space is elementary cowardice! Insulting people in this way is generally cowardly rudeness!
    1. amp
      amp
      -5
      21 May 2013 13: 15
      I don't care about your opinion.
  61. 0
    21 May 2013 13: 11
    The Americans very successfully used Islamic radicalism against Soviet troops in Afghanistan, really, why come up with some ingenious combinations when you can just fill them with stupid Afghan meat. They apparently liked the method and now the same scenario can be applied to Russia, the benefit of stupid radical cannon fodder here too Enough. Apparently, radicalism really puts pressure on the brains, preventing them from thinking normally, although having seen enough of the “freedom fighters” in Chechnya, I doubt that they have brains. The only thing that pleases is the low fighting qualities of the “mountain eagles”; they know how to shoot at a wedding in Moscow , they know how to blow up a column in the back and can escape. They really like to go to the forests in groups for “funerals.”
  62. +5
    21 May 2013 13: 39
    Quote: amp
    I don't care about your opinion

    There is nothing to explain to you. Your example can explain a lot!
    You are behaving rudely on this site. You are rude, insult people... Unfortunately, you are not the only one here. But the vast majority here are normal people, albeit with different opinions. What does it mean? Is it really that everyone who is normal needs to pack up and leave because of people like you? Well of course not! It just means that you are rare!
    It's the same with the North Caucasus! No one will run away anywhere and no one will be separated because of extremists, just bandits and ill-mannered, insolent youths! To each his own - someone will understand, someone will go to jail, and someone will be buried. And people will live.
  63. +7
    21 May 2013 13: 41
    Again they are calling to increase national self-awareness and demography. They call on the population, but remain silent about government policy. But this is a state policy of ousting and replacing the Russian population with Caucasians and Asians. The authorities support the Caucasus financially and morally. The authorities have opened all the doors to Asians, but they tell us that it is our own fault - they say we don’t want to give birth. Yes, the authorities in national republics are always on their own side. Even if these “insiders” are criminals and scumbags. Moreover, if they commit lawlessness in Russian regions and against Russians, they can always take refuge in the Caucasus - there is no extradition from the Caucasus. And even if there is, they will still be sent to the Caucasus to serve time, where they will be released on parole as soon as everything calms down.
    Our government, both local and, first of all, central, is always against Russians and will resist any unification and increase in the self-awareness of Russians in every possible way.
    Until we change the Government, we will change nothing. If we start playing sports, the authorities will be against it, just as they are against “Russian jogging” in Moscow.
    Let's start giving birth to three to five children, they will be crushed by the propaganda of the sweet life, an artificial shortage of preschool institutions and medical services.
    1. +1
      21 May 2013 20: 17
      “The authorities have opened all the doors to Asians, but they tell us that it is our own fault - they say we don’t want to give birth. Yes, the authorities in national republics are always on their own side.”

      Nothing personal - just business.
  64. +5
    21 May 2013 13: 47
    What's stopping you? Lack of strong government. Flirting with everyone and everything. Looking to the West, this damn West. With their fucking tolerance.
    Why did these problems not exist under Soviet rule? We do not accept the rule of the hunchback. There was power.
    I'm a Soviet officer. More than one thousand soldiers of many nationalities of the USSR passed through my hands. And no one ever paid attention to the religious component. Among my comrades were Muslims. There was nothing except teasing them when they ate lard. Muslim soldiers ate from the same pot as non-Muslims. We ate pork at once. There were no prayers or anything like that.
    My deepest conviction. GOD must be in the soul. And now, not only among Muslims but also among Christians, this is increasingly ostentatious. IHMO. Religion becomes not a human faith, but a tool of politicians, a bargaining chip in achieving the mercantile goals of both individuals and entire nations.
    The will of the state. This is what can stop all this bacchanalia. We are a secular state. Yes. We are a multinational state. Yes. Why do the president and prime minister go to services in an Orthodox church? Why don’t they then go to the mosque on Muslim holidays?
    And if we have a Muslim president, will we have to build a mosque on Red Square in Moscow and demolish the cathedral?
    And I want to answer the Dagestani. You're right. Take your drums, mosques and blow to Dagestan. I personally don’t want to wake up to the screams of a mullah. There is a compact population of Muslims (Caucasus, Tatarstan, etc.) please - mosques. There are compact residences of Orthodox Christians - churches.
    One person's faith should not interfere with another person's faith. Then there will be no friction. Well, I don’t want to be in Moscow or Stavropol to watch how sheep are slaughtered and listen to the mullah scream. I'm not talking about Makhachkala. If I come there to visit, I will gladly go to the mosque as a sightseer. Precisely because I came to visit. And I won’t dance “lady” or “hopaka” on the main, and not so much, square. I am at a friend's place.
    For the Russian Church did not baptize anyone by force. After the Russians arrived in the North Caucasus, Muslims remained Muslims and no one oppressed them. But Muslims are now meddling with their rules everywhere. This is what causes negativity. And then they also talk about oppression of faith. RAVE.
    1. -1
      21 May 2013 16: 19
      How simple everything is with you, faith in your soul, a Dagestani in Dagestan, I am visiting, they are visiting. But real life is not like that, and your theories are far from practice. Our faith is not ostentatious; we also have new saints, for example the Warrior Evgeniy Rodionov, who died in Chechnya. And the sheep are slaughtered in Moscow precisely with your tacit consent and frivolous attitude towards Vera. You didn’t pay any attention to her, but she’s looking at the sprouts she’s sprouted. Did you think during the years of the USSR that this would happen? We didn't think so. Now it’s time to understand that you are not just a citizen, but a Christian. And behave accordingly, that faith was not ostentatious, so that Muslims look at you and say that they want to be Christians. And there are plenty of such cases in history.
  65. alexanderrus.
    0
    21 May 2013 13: 47
    Quote: Ashibokov57
    If it burns, there will be no one to blame. And all because of racists like you.

    And you, as I understand it, are an “internationalist”, i.e. "without clan, without tribe."
  66. +1
    21 May 2013 13: 56
    What's stopping you? Grandmas, and not the ones that sing, but paper ones and green ones. They are called bucks. Here Marx’s formula about the correspondence of the size of a crime to the size of its payment works one hundred percent.
  67. Apologet insane
    +3
    21 May 2013 13: 57
    History reasoned that certain individuals who belonged to a certain cultural environment served to strengthen certain state formations. Culture played a big role in the superiority of some states over others. It is to one or another mentality, one or another value that the states that have taken the lead owe their economic, political, and military successes. And the peoples who submitted to the will of the winner did not challenge his role in their lives, they obeyed. Some assimilated, some fought, but most often lost. This is how the political map of the world was formed until a certain moment - the moment of triumphant humanism. The philosophers of the victorious European culture came to the conclusion that all people are equal, all nations are great, all cultures have the right to exist. I am not going to go into details, I am blasphemously simplifying these processes, but the fact remains a fact. At the moment, there are developed, civilized countries in which freedom of morals and tolerance reign, where everyone is trying to emigrate, and then, sensing the weakness of a hospitable country, they begin to shout loudly about their nationality, culture, and the fact that Islam is this is so delightful, and the infidels around are only engaged in debauchery and swilling vodka, which means we must fight them... A universal picture, whether for Russia, for Germany, or for France. Of all the developed countries, the Japanese and Koreans are the best in this regard - their common sense attitude towards cultural issues is commendable. They can tolerate an Orthodox church or mosque as some kind of attraction, a museum of an alien culture, but not as a symbol of someone’s dashing love of freedom in their own land. Japan is for the Japanese and for those who share Japanese values. Don't like Japanese traditions? Do you want to slaughter a sheep in the square? Go to your historical homeland and enjoy your Islam and traditions there, and slaughter sheep. And no skinheads or terrorist attacks. Although there are enough foreigners living there, including Russians.
    Yes, Russia is a multinational state. And all the nations are so wonderful, and contributed to the common cause of victory... Stop! Did the nations contribute? National SS battalions were formed, it happened, from the nationalities of the Soviet Union. But individual individuals contributed to the cause of victory, to science, to the construction projects of the century. With very different names and surnames, but under the banner of one country, which united them all and gave them the opportunity to express themselves. Certain territories did not enter into an alliance with Russia on equal terms, like the cantons of Switzerland - they joined Russia as a stronger and more powerful power. And certain freedoms and rights remained with the annexed peoples only because the owner allowed it. Therefore, the same Dagestanis dancing Lezginka on the streets of Moscow have nothing to be proud of - they were allowed to keep this dance and their customs in their memory. But they might not have allowed it. So there is no achievement on their part at all - everything is the will of their too generous masters, who are supportive of their colonies.
    1. Apologet insane
      +3
      21 May 2013 13: 58
      The mistake of our authorities is that they allow enslaved peoples not to assimilate, but to create their own cultural enclaves, which gradually grow on the fertile socio-economic soil of the metropolis. Although there are many examples when individual representatives of the same Caucasian or Central Asian peoples accepted the culture and way of life of a more civilized Russia and became outstanding specialists and cultural figures. Their culture could not give this - only upbringing in the environment of a superior civilization revealed their talents.
      Many people do not want to assimilate - this is their right. But on the territory allocated for them to live. Dictating your rules outside the owner’s territory is strange, to say the least. Their culture has already lost its battle, and this time, having reached a critical point of discontent with the host state, it may well disappear. Because it is not creative. The culture of the highlanders, like the culture of the Africans, is incapable of creation; it is warlike and cruel. They have nothing to be proud of except their ardor and physical strength - well, the average male gorilla is also stronger and more temperamental than a simple Russian or French guy, and these primates also like to unite in packs. Therefore, the task of those who adhere to the values ​​of the victorious civilization is to convey to others the essence of their culture and to suppress the very arrogant manifestations of an alien negative culture on our territory. The Swiss have already limited the construction of minarets on their territory, well done.
      By the way, you didn’t pay attention to the fact that we can preach Islam to them, but it’s difficult for Christian missionaries in a Muslim country, and for strangers in general. Pay attention. Think about it, isn’t it worthwhile to start assimilating the unruly natives and start instilling in them human qualities? A new war between cultures is just around the corner, and it’s not very cool to have a fifth column at your side.
      1. +4
        21 May 2013 14: 18
        Quote: Apologet Insane
        The Swiss have already limited the construction of minarets on their territory

        Quote: Apologet Insane
        but Christian missionaries in a Muslim country have a hard time, and strangers in general

        Our problem is even worse, in my opinion. Traditional Orthodoxy is in a cramped position; we are simply allowed to have our own churches. And if you look closely, then pay attention - there are no bells ringing over Moscow! What do posters congratulating you on Easter look like? "Happy Easter" What it is? Christ is Risen! Here is a greeting to a Christian from a Christian. What do they do on Maslenitsa? They suggest that this is a week of revelry and gluttony, what nonsense, this is preparation for fasting! In general, the meaning of the opus is that in Switzerland they limit the influence of others, in Asia they hinder missionaries, but in our country they do not allow our native, primordial influence to develop. That's the main problem! It’s as if someone decided to replace both ethnicity and religion on Russian territory.
        1. Apologet insane
          0
          21 May 2013 14: 53
          Although I am a Protestant, we share the same Bible with the Orthodox, and there is only one Christ. Of course, it’s wild when Christian holidays and customs are secularized and depersonalized. We need missionary activity within the country, and not just an invitation to bless colored eggs. But alas, our tolerance is no better than in the USA. Only there were all sorts of gays, but here we have Wahhabis.
          1. +1
            21 May 2013 15: 51
            Quote: Apologet Insane
            Even though I'm a Protestant

            It is a pity.
            Quote: Apologet Insane
            Missionary activity within the country is needed

            Of course, many complain that the Church does not show itself in any way, does not even speak out on important topics. Here is an example: Patriarch Kirill denounces French gays. And who will expose ours?! Who will call sin sin, black black?! And if we talk about the disunity of Russians, it is very strange to see this in the church, people who have been attending the liturgy for years do not know and do not want to know each other. It's just unfortunate.
  68. oSB
    0
    21 May 2013 14: 05
    On the territory of our country there are now 3 main religions - Christianity, Islam, Buddhism and of course all kinds of confessions, permitted and those in disgrace. I wonder if our spiritual leaders can get together, pull out the best, most correct teachings or positions (I don’t even know what to call it correctly) from all the teachings and create a new faith?
    1. By and large, each of the teachings has its own date of birth, beginning, that is, it is theoretically possible.
    2. The basic principles of all teachings are the same, lead a righteous life - you will be in heaven, if you live a bad life - you will have nothing.
    3. With the spread of this faith/teaching, the very concept of interreligious enmity will disappear.
    1. Apologet insane
      0
      21 May 2013 14: 49
      The problem with religions is that from the outside they seem to be a set of rituals, but for a true believer it is a personal relationship with God, who has a personality. We might as well clone all new parents.
  69. +4
    21 May 2013 14: 40
    Although the article concerns the Stavropol region regionally, we are still sitting and picking our noses:
    The militant, eliminated in Yamal, was collecting funds for the North Caucasus gang underground
    March 15 2013
    A militant killed during a special operation in Gubkinsky (Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug) is suspected of financing the activities of gangs in the North Caucasus.
    According to the Tyumen Region FSB Directorate, the 24-year-old native of Novy Urengoy was part of a North Caucasian bandit group. According to unofficial data, we are talking about Jamal Abdulabekov.
    Since 2009, he lived in Gubkinsky, where he was involved in collecting funds (including through extortion), which were subsequently used to finance the activities of gangs in the North Caucasus. He committed the last armed robbery in Gubkinsky on March 7 in order to seize funds belonging to one of the enterprises.
    As reported by the press service of the Russian Ministry of Internal Affairs for the Yamal-Nenets Autonomous Okrug, in June last year the suspect and two fellow countrymen went to Dagestan, where he joined the ranks of a terrorist group operating in the Khasavyurt region. Two of his associates were previously killed, and the defendant himself was put on the federal wanted list. He positioned himself as a prominent supporter of one of the radical movements of Islam. He lived in Gubkinskoye with his wife and little son.
    The special operation to detain the militant was the result of a long development effort carried out by law enforcement officials. The apartment where the militant lived was discovered. Police officers who arrived at the scene to arrest him asked him to surrender, and the suspect’s father was involved in the negotiations. But the militant opened fire and was killed during the assault.
    Source: Arktika-Inf
  70. +1
    21 May 2013 15: 35
    Quote: DAGESTANETS333
    Absolutely right! - they will begin to forbid me my religion, in my own land - I will resist!

    Will it be on the drum - Sufism or Wahhabism? - take your drum, your laws and leave my land! And we will not interfere with each other.

    Need a state within modern borders? - get ready to take into account the opinion of all citizens living in the territory of the state!

    Quote: DAGESTANETS333
    Absolutely right! - they will begin to forbid me my religion, in my own land - I will resist!

    Will it be on the drum - Sufism or Wahhabism? - take your drum, your laws and leave my land! And we will not interfere with each other.

    Need a state within modern borders? - get ready to take into account the opinion of all citizens living in the territory of the state!

    What are you, my land! You say thank you to my people for civilization (although what kind of civilization, half of those who came down from the mountains have never seen a TV), and also, somehow it’s not befitting of a people who, in order to become a man, first need to kill a donkey , open your mouth (and these are not my ideas, yours yourself told me when I was in urgent service)!
    1. +3
      21 May 2013 17: 04
      DAGESTAN333 May 8, 2013 20:17 | Is it necessary to restrain the process of exodus of Russians from the countries of Central Asia: opinions
      And then they will get even with the Russians, with the “Shuravi”, for everything. - author, what kind of stupidity is that!? What exactly do we need to get even with the Russians for!? Because they tried with all their might to tear some away from the stone cliffs and others from the endless steppes, they were seated behind the benches of universities and at the machines of factories??? Quite strange logic...

      Non-Russian friends, in fact, the Russians gave us much more than they took from us, much! more: The main goal of the Russians is to preserve their population, nation ... just to preserve themselves in history! From us, the Russians need only the territory, as a buffer, a place where you can place troops and military facilities for strategic maneuvers and a guarantee that we ourselves will not attack them ... AND EVERYTHING! And what do they give in return? And IN REPLACEMENT ... they took and equalized us in a civilizational sense, with themselves! They began to educate us at their universities (with all the consequences), they began to teach us the military art (the best in the world), and began to develop an unheard of early infrastructure with us. And with all this .., they saved EVERYTHING! our values ​​that we had before them (language, culture, etc.).
      It should be understood that the Russians, 200-300 years ago (and they were already an empire then) could quietly trample us (and what, it was then fashionable ..!), Lazily, looking around, thereby freeing up the necessary "living space "as some people sometimes like to say ... BUT they ... followed the path of equality, brotherhood and the common good ... and did everything they could along the way ...
      And now, when the Russians have relatively bad times, we remembered how proud, original and great we are ...

      You just need to be honest.


      (let the Russian colleagues not rate the comment, forgive me.)
  71. +3
    21 May 2013 15: 43
    Quote: DAGESTANETS333
    Quote: regin
    can’t you see in the mirror? They say that there are no bad nations, but degenerates. I don’t agree, there are nations insolent to insanity, this refers to the Caucasus, and there are no good and bad ones, there are burnt monkeys.
    - And what exactly is the madness and arrogance of the Caucasus expressed in that we want to live according to Islam, try to dress according to Islam and do not bother anyone? (radicals and thugs do not matter).
    Quote: regin
    It has another way, but it's none of your business, sit at home and sniff quietly
    - why do other cultures have bravo, but ours not? Are we second grade?
    Quote: regin
    otherwise you’re always offended. For the thorn you need
    - why, we are not offended at all, we felt very good during the Union, for example, until the collapse of the Union embittered the Russians, and they began to look for the cause of their failures in others, and this was when everyone started to blush ...

    Friends are known not only in joy.

    And if you stupidly discard Islam! In Moscow, you are trying to sell some kind of nonsense on every corner, you are forming ethnic groups and are not allowing Russians to live in peace in central Russia, you are shooting at your weddings in Moscow, should you continue?
    1. Georgs
      +1
      21 May 2013 16: 40
      Quote: Prapor Afonya
      And if you stupidly discard Islam! In Moscow, you are trying to sell some kind of nonsense on every corner, you are forming ethnic groups and are not allowing Russians to live in peace in central Russia, you are shooting at your weddings in Moscow, should you continue?

      What are the Russian people doing at this time? And the Russian people are silent at this time. No, not quite right. Some of them are tearing their throats in the Swamp in collaboration with unfriendly non-Russians. Badass!..
    2. +2
      21 May 2013 17: 10
      He doesn’t argue with us here and will wish us to be able to restore order and maybe help us if we ask. We all have the same problem: the corrupting influence of the Fed and their controlled countries and structures.
      1. 0
        21 May 2013 20: 33
        I completely agree. As long as there is a country that has unlimited resources in the form of dollars, we will not live in peace.
  72. +1
    21 May 2013 15: 45
    We need to start with ourselves, we have a large family like we used to have, remove what I think is our biggest disadvantage... indifference... what is a huge plus of Caucasians... always united and will always help each other... my son fell from a swing so the Armenian girl quickly ran home for bandages, for food... everyone else just stood there, shook their heads and then walked on.... I often began to see on cars the inscription Russian help Russian... which is already a good trend..... Caucasians alone normal people.. no complaints... for some reason, when everyone unites in a pack... swearing, rude behavior, aggression... and the videos with Tkachov about the Cossacks... he did everything right.... I have a Cossack friend...he went to Stavropol....he says people can’t imagine what’s happening there...how they’re pushing us out....he says that Kuban is becoming the last frontier...they may pour here in the near future.. .that’s why right now we don’t have a Peps outfit like that with the Cossack squad, well, of course, we would like to drink less (it’s just a cultural thing to drink and sit...and when a person is shitless into a shit...but he turns and so every day... .what kind of preservation of the nation are we talking about here) and sports...without it you can’t go anywhere
  73. Crang
    +2
    21 May 2013 15: 51
    I answer the author's question in the title of the topic. Government of the Russian Federation. They voted for him themselves. What? “If only there weren’t war...” Well, here’s an option for us without war.
  74. +1
    21 May 2013 16: 02
    Quote: Mairos
    Damn, and who should unite us? good uncle? WHO CAUCASUS UNITES? They organize themselves! Yourself !! So the Russians will learn so ... when they become a minority, I'm afraid. ((To hope that the state will do something in this regard is not worth it, most likely.
    A generation should grow up that from childhood will see that for the authorities Russians are just one of many and no more. Therefore, Moses led Jews in the wilderness for 40 years, so that all those who lived in slavery would die. So Russians from those who are accustomed to seeing in the Russian (Soviet) state a defender of their interests and their very existence should leave in due time - there is little sense from our peers, the majority still believe that some kind of power will come that will correct everything. I’m not coming, I'm afraid this will never happen.

    There’s no need to talk about Moses, what is Caesar’s is Caesar’s, what is Jewish to the Jew, we are RUSSIAN and we have our own fact from history, we walked under the Muslims for three hundred years, and then we took them and swept them with a filthy broom! There's still more to come, believe me!
  75. +3
    21 May 2013 16: 20
    Quote: Prapor Afonya
    We walked under the Muslims for three hundred years, and then we took them and swept them away with a filthy broom! There's still more to come, believe me!

    Do you propose to wait another three hundred years until the broom ripens? No, you yourself tell Caesar what is Caesar’s. So for Muslims what is Muslim, and for Christians what is Christian. Just on local TV in the news: 7 Azerbaijanis tried to enter Norilsk using fake Russian passports. Detained, agitated criminal cases and right there: another 12 people are preparing for extradition to their historical homeland. What do they want in Norilsk? If you think that they will go to a mine in a mine or to a smelting furnace, then you are deeply mistaken. And to sell potatoes and tomatoes in Baku possible. I am tolerant of all nationalities, but the excess of people of Caucasian nationality in the places of traditional residence of, let’s say, the indigenous population, is already beginning to irritate me. Russian-speaking. I think the abolition of the institution of registration in favor of Western “human rights” made a big contribution to this mess.
  76. +1
    21 May 2013 16: 32
    Quote: Uncle
    Today the girl will not be able to put on a headscarf to school, and tomorrow they will force her to remove the cross. And the formation of personality goes from childhood, if the girl knows, knows for sure, I am a Christian (Muslim, Jew), she has an inner "core", character. She has examples of behavior from the family, the environment, she will grow up to be a decent woman, a mother, she will have those numerous children, about whom the forum users stand up. And if a child grows like a field grass, mom walks, dad drinks, well, who of this girl will grow? Well, what is her family, children for?

    Although I myself am Russian and Orthodox, I believe that religion should remain in the heart, and not for show, even if crosses are banned for wearing as opposed to hijabs, it’s not scary, the school is the same for everyone and there is no need to stick out your religion there, at home or in church, do it, but at school you need to acquire knowledge, this also applies to all public organizations, as for our religion in contrast to Islam, where is radical Orthodoxy, where are the crusades? Otherwise, their slogans mean, destroy the Orthodox (Russian), and ours means religion, turn your left cheek when you hit your right, it’s somehow not right! There was no religion in the Union (at least no one stuck it out) and the country made a giant leap in science, with all that it entails, and now on every corner they shout about religion and we are sliding into the Middle Ages! Those who shout the most about religion, and those who have, at best, three classes of education, are being dragged into the abyss by Islamists, stupid, uneducated people, they don’t need science, they have a good life like monkeys, we’ll finish the game! And as for modern Russian youth with their trends, this is the same level of monkeys, they also don’t need science, the main thing for them is to sell at a higher price and buy at a lower price, they won’t produce good children, and neither will religious fanatics, the future is only in science, in its development, and all the husks must be thrown away !
    1. -4
      21 May 2013 16: 43
      Quote: Prapor Afonya
      There was no religion in the Union (at least no one stuck it out) and the country made a giant leap in science, with all that it entails, and now on every corner they shout about religion and we are sliding into the Middle Ages!


      Dear, I look at this a little differently.
      No matter what we say, spirituality is the basis of everything, including material things. So that giant leap was made by people who grew up in religious families, who themselves were deeply religious people, and now we are sliding towards where you indicated, because generations have grown up without God in their hearts.
      And until we understand that the spiritual is the basis of everything, we will have corruption, the golden calf will eat our hearts and minds, we will have nothing.
  77. 0
    21 May 2013 16: 34
    The answer to the question in the article is simple -
    1. lack of smart, deep, balanced national policy.
    2. ostrich syndrome (maybe everything will resolve itself!), cowardice
    3. reluctance to deal with complex issues of education (loot is the main thing in the life of modern temporary politicians who do not think about the future of Russia

    Knowing the mentality of the Cossacks, I can say with confidence that if the state cannot curb the Caucasian expansion, there will be trouble! The Cossacks will rise up and sweep the infidels away from the Cossack lands, there will be a lot of blood.
  78. KononAV
    0
    21 May 2013 16: 59
    Let's see what happens, it wouldn't end in civil war.
  79. Best novel
    +1
    21 May 2013 17: 32
    There is a country. There are laws that are uniform for everyone in this country. To comply with these laws there is an executive power, which we elect. All other laws, such as Islam or Sharia, are laws for home use. And if everything is upside down, apparently that’s the problem -in the executive branch, which we elect. It turns out, in us?
  80. Rrv
    Rrv
    +2
    21 May 2013 18: 20
    What is stopping the expansion..., la la la...

    Nothing interferes, the question is different - is the goal of those who can and should do this to stop this “expansion”?

    1. Rrv
      Rrv
      +3
      21 May 2013 18: 22
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      1. +2
        21 May 2013 18: 38
        Quote: RRV
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        Well, in Azerbaijan, the Azerbaijanis, of course, eat with big wedding cards, but there it’s not like with an injury, TRY TO SHOOT WITH A PNEUMAT and your trip will immediately end.
        In Azerbaijan in 2013, criminal authorities are not organizing showdowns in the city center.
        So the problem is with the authorities in the Russian Federation, why do Caucasians, when crossing the border, allow themselves to do something that in their homeland they could not even think of? Because they know that in the Caucasus you can buy a lot, but there are things that are taboo, but in Russia buy what you want and do what you want Therefore, our bandits, the Georgian ones, and in general all the criminals moved to Russia; conditions have been created for them here.
        Therefore, powerful rallies must be organized against criminal lawlessness so that the state will move
        But if you also include domestic violence here. I simply separate organized criminal groups and domestic violence, when this one looked wrong, this one came, then the society itself can regulate and punish the culprit!!!
        I personally stood up for a fellow countryman in St. Petersburg once, but without knowing the essence of the matter, then when I found out that ours were wrong, they punished this weakling, who dragged us into where he was wrong. And so normal Caucasians will never go to sort things out and take part in fights for the wrong one stupidly because he is one of his own. Although among the Chechens this is often found there, the criterion of correctness is determined by Chechen or not Chechen, although I have seen exceptions.
        1. Rrv
          Rrv
          0
          21 May 2013 18: 56
          Yeraz


          Keywords - "...conditions have been CREATED for them here."

          In general, as far as I can judge, most normal Caucasians live in the Caucasus (possibly because a normal person simply does not have money to move), and mostly real or potential “criminals” go to the original Russian territories.
          1. +4
            21 May 2013 19: 34
            Quote: RRV
            In general, as far as I can judge, most normal Caucasians live in the Caucasus (possibly because a normal person simply does not have money to move), and mostly real or potential “criminals” go to the original Russian territories.

            No. Everything depends on the family as far as it controls. And crime was squeezed out of the republics into Russia. And everyone has their own reason; the Chechens really can’t stand Russians because of the war.
            There are a lot of normal Azerbaijanis in St. Petersburg, these children were born here, but the Russians have also developed a negative and stereotypical stereotype. One recently told me that you Caucasians walk in crowds, it’s annoying. I’m sorry to her that, like Russians, we don’t go separately and ignore each other. This is natural for us, it’s not for anything, but he didn’t come nicely and didn’t greet the Muslims, didn’t talk. It’s something that irritates her, someone else.
            We are normal Caucasians who don’t bother Russian girls, but some people justify it by saying, look how they dress and behave like a b-d, to which I say a normal guy won’t hang out with a b-d, but hey Natasha, come to me with a normal girl words won’t help. Moreover, Russian guys also don’t treat girls so well, and these visitors, seeing how they treat them here, hey chick baby and all that, the same thing but in a more daring form.
            Therefore, there are very, very few Russians in the circle; they are either Orthodox or just normal guys, and the bulk of my generation of Russians were club youth without conscience and honor. Therefore, the conflict will worsen even more in the future. Western values ​​in these youth are growing more and more and the attitude will be worse and worse. But as soon as I see that the West has won here, I’ll leave. Because in this environment only a radical Muslim will grow up. As they say, if you don’t like it, leave, so this is not my native land, although it can be considered, but I’m not going to impose my values ​​on anyone, I will try to prevent it, but unfortunately the trend is only for the worse.
            1. Rrv
              Rrv
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              21 May 2013 21: 38
              Quote: Yeraz
              No. Everything depends on the family as far as it controls.

              There is a saying - “there are no bad nations, there are bad people.” It is not entirely true: there is a national mentality, that is, culture - a set of cultural and behavioral stereotypes, attitudes that define friend or foe, rules of behavior in a given situation, religious norms, etc. No matter how the family controls, a person will still absorb a significant part of his cultural stereotypes from the society in which he is located, and if these stereotypes dictate a normal attitude towards his own and, if possible, a negative attitude towards strangers, then so be it.

              And crime was squeezed out of the republics into Russia. And everyone has their own reason: Chechens really can’t stand Russians because of the war.

              In my opinion, they didn’t squeeze out so much as, as mentioned above, they created conditions, and they created them purposefully and the authorities did it.

              There are a lot of normal Azerbaijanis in St. Petersburg, these children were born here, but the Russians also have a negative and stereotypical attitude.

              I know a normal Azerbaijani, but he also has a hidden division between friend and foe on national and regional grounds.

              One recently told me that you Caucasians walk around in crowds, it’s annoying. I’m sorry to her that, like Russians, we don’t go separately and ignore each other. This is natural for us, it’s not for something, but I didn’t come nicely and didn’t say hello to Muslims, didn’t talk. This is what irritates her, someone else is irritated by something else.

              You are disingenuous: I know from personal experience about the tendency to increase cases of cheeky conflict behavior among representatives of the peoples of the Caucasus when they experience the illusion of a numerical advantage. Behavior suddenly becomes correct as soon as this illusion disappears. )))

              We are normal Caucasians who don’t bother Russian girls, but some people justify it by saying, look how they dress and behave like a b-d, to which I say a normal guy won’t hang out with a b-d, but hey Natasha, come to me with a normal girl words will not help. Moreover, Russian guys are also not so hot towards girls, and these visitors, seeing how they treat them here, hey chick baby and all that, the same thing but in a more daring form

              Chick, baby, etc. - this is something from the late 80s, early 90s, I haven’t heard anything like this for 20 years. In any case, using a “more daring form” in a “foreign monastery” is at least inadequate.

              The bulk of my generation of Russians were youth who were clubbers without conscience or honor.

              The same can be said with confidence about young people from the Caucasus living in cities in the original Russian territories. Moreover, in Islam there is a norm according to which a Muslim should not lie only to a Muslim, so the conversation about honor in relation to this topic is very sensitive.

              ... Of my Russian acquaintances, there are also few normal ones. The bulk of them are clubbing, booze, just wagging their tongues, but how to stand up for something like that is their goal in life.

              Remember the habit of Caucasians to walk in crowds. Now remember the guys who climbed under the ambulance in the Monezhka. )))

              But as for the worsening trend and the impending escalation of the conflict, I agree, and I believe that the peoples are being deliberately pitted against “our” Government.
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                22 May 2013 14: 51
                Quote: RRV

                There is a saying - “there are no bad nations, there are bad people.” It is not entirely true: there is a national mentality, that is, culture - a set of cultural and behavioral stereotypes, attitudes that define friend or foe, rules of behavior in a given situation, religious norms, etc. No matter how the family controls, a person will still absorb a significant part of his cultural stereotypes from the society in which he is located, and if these stereotypes dictate a normal attitude towards his own and, if possible, a negative attitude towards strangers, then so be it.

                After the independence of Azerbaijan, a generation is being raised there with one goal - EARN MONEY BY ANY METHODS AND IN HUGE QUANTITIES. And here only the influence of the family corrects the volume of this current thinking, and the next generation will be worse.
                Quote: RRV
                I know a normal Azerbaijani, but he also has a hidden division between friend and foe on national and regional grounds.

                Let’s say I’m also trying to find out what nation a person is, this gives a better idea of ​​him. But I have such a character that if a Russian does something, the punishment for him will be lower than for a Muslim because such an act of a Muslim puts a stigma on us and he must answer for behavior more harshly.
                Quote: RRV
                You are disingenuous: I know from personal experience about the tendency to increase cases of cheeky conflict behavior among representatives of the peoples of the Caucasus when they experience the illusion of a numerical advantage. Behavior suddenly becomes correct as soon as this illusion disappears. )))

                There is such a thing, BUT the trick was that they don’t deliberately walk in a crowd in order to provoke a conflict. I always walked with the crowd, but it never occurred to us to offend someone passing by for no reason. There are some individuals because whom the rest are drawn in. Therefore, such people must be controlled.
                Quote: RRV
                The same can be said with confidence about young people from the Caucasus living in cities in the original Russian territories. Moreover, in Islam there is a norm according to which a Muslim should not lie only to a Muslim, so the conversation about honor in relation to this topic is very sensitive.

                But the volumes are not the same. Regarding lying, Islam is not yet so strong, mainly traditions and I personally were taught not to lie. Islam is only now beginning to take off in the Caucasus. Therefore, the judgment that in families they talk about others in contest is a Christian is incorrect , and this is a Muslim. The emphasis is on the nation. Therefore, they simply say lying is bad.

                Well, to compare when there are 4 young boys in front of a crowd of a thousand, which was really ready to kill them, is not the same comparison. I would have changed their attitude towards death and God radically within 3 years, life is a moment, therefore death is revered
                Lupo, the only regret is that your loved ones will grieve. You will get to Allah, but they won’t grieve because of this.
                1. Rrv
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                  22 May 2013 18: 14
                  Quote: Yeraz
                  After the independence of Azerbaijan, a generation is being raised there with one goal - EARN MONEY BY ANY METHODS AND IN HUGE QUANTITIES. And here only the influence of the family corrects the volume of this current thinking, and the next generation will be worse.

                  Alas, this is so, and unfortunately, no matter how the family corrects it, society has a stronger influence, and in the future it will probably only get worse.

                  Let’s say I’m also trying to find out what nation a person is, this gives a better idea of ​​him. But I have such a character that if a Russian does something, the punishment for him will be lower than for a Muslim because such an act of a Muslim puts a stigma on us and he must answer for behavior more harshly.

                  In normal ordinary conditions, nationality is indifferent to me.
                  But I don’t agree about the punishment: experience shows that in interethnic conflicts, when a Mohammedan is to blame, the latter’s relatives can actually stage a performance for the public - up to slaps, kicks and oaths that the culprit will go under house arrest for a year. )))
                  But the very next day you can meet him somewhere, and he will behave just as defiantly as yesterday.

                  There is such a thing, BUT the trick was that they don’t deliberately walk in a crowd in order to provoke a conflict. I always walked with the crowd, but it never occurred to us to offend someone passing by for no reason. There are some individuals because whom the rest are drawn in. Therefore, such people must be controlled.

                  But nevertheless, it is precisely with the growth of the number of the company that the likelihood of provoking conflict situations on the part of the said company increases.

                  But the volumes are not the same. Regarding lying, Islam is not yet so strong, mainly traditions and I personally were taught not to lie. Islam is only now beginning to take off in the Caucasus. Therefore, the judgment that in families they talk about others in contest is a Christian is incorrect , and this is a Muslim. The emphasis is on the nation. Therefore, they simply say lying is bad.

                  I’m afraid that the volumes are still the same, it’s just that Caucasian youngsters are more afraid of their parents than Russians are of their own, and they lie better than us, who have been taught that lying is bad. )))
                  Islam, like Christianity, has become fashionable. Add here the double standards of religions and the grasping of dogmas at the top (without thoughtful deliberation), a disgusting social situation, examples of radical religious movements and quasi-patriotism - the result is an explosive mixture. And this mixture, based on a religious basis and the search for those to blame for social problems, results in interethnic conflicts.

                  And it’s not about the crowd - a crowd of Caucasians during a conflict, having a numerical superiority, behaves the same as a crowd of Russians, and Russians in front of such a crowd behave similarly to those guys. The fact is that the Russians, despite their absolute numerical superiority, form large groups much less often, and when they get together, they conflict much less often, but in the event of a conflict, even a slight superiority on the part of the “enemy” does not stop them. )))
                  In order to reassure the Caucasians, an advantage is not needed - parity is enough.
                  1. +2
                    22 May 2013 21: 00
                    Quote: RRV
                    But I don’t agree about the punishment: experience shows that in interethnic conflicts, when a Mohammedan is to blame, the latter’s relatives can actually stage a performance for the public - up to slaps, kicks and oaths that the culprit will go under house arrest for a year. )))
                    But the very next day you can meet him somewhere, and he will behave just as defiantly as yesterday.

                    It’s like this in our family. Let me give you an example: my cousin led a party lifestyle and his uncle warned him once and then kicked him out of the house 2 times, not 3 times. Because in the city they know our family and his actions are not for him personally, but for the whole family. The guy himself started living, got married, a child went to Mecca and there is no trace of that idiot. And 2 of my other brothers in one of the cities of the Russian Federation beat up drunken Russians who didn’t like their dark appearance, although there were more Russians, but the drunks were already pointing at a judosit and a football player a losing option, the Russians went to the hospital, and the brothers to the department, the younger uncle pulled them out, but their father still found out about it, he fucked his sons up so much that mom don’t worry. And not for show and just by going into the room and closing the door, we then, from the marks in their faces, we understood everything. And their excuses hurt us: if you’re drunk, don’t pay attention to the provocation, just pass by, he didn’t hurt your family and mother, so you had to react, what will people in the city say, that my sons are savages?? In our family, everything works like this. When I say family, I mean all my blood relatives.
                    The fact is that the Russians, despite their absolute numerical superiority, form large groups much less often, and when they get together, they conflict much less often, but in the event of a conflict, even a slight superiority on the part of the “enemy” does not stop them. )))
                    So the Russians pass by these conflicts, I already said here when in Turkey, for 2 cops from St. Petersburg, in a conflict with the Kurds, my brother and I stood up, and the entire calving room full of Russian Belarusians, men of tall stature and considerable weight, did not stand up against the short stature of the Kurds. I’m not always I knew and saw the thesis of my hut from the edge, but there I was already in shock.
                    Quote: RRV
                    In order to reassure the Caucasians, an advantage is not needed - parity is enough.

                    Well, there are different conflicts and so are the participants. Therefore, it depends on the situation. Only a Caucasian can stick a knife in without thinking because of a small thing, so in St. Petersburg I am more afraid of my Caucasians than Russians. With Russians in a fist fight you can solve everything, a knife is the most extreme option if there is a specific threat to life, and with mine I already have a knife on the handle from the very beginning, although in the case of Chechens it is necessary to use it immediately. And with others it’s 50-50. Depending on the situation. Our emotions completely turn off our brains. Therefore, we need to turn it on for ourselves before he switches off)
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                      22 May 2013 23: 10
                      Thank you, you make your family happy, thank you for the little educational program.
                      You have complemented my observations, it turns out that a Caucasian is more in need of traditions due to the unbridled influence of emotions and instincts than a Russian? This is probably the reason why Muslims have stricter limits on behavior, clothing, everyday life, and religious worship. Among Russians and Slavs, humility in honor - it gives spiritual balance, is a necessary condition for the growth of awareness, in Christianity, “acquiring the holy spirit” and is the basis for the strength of spirit of the “mysterious Russian soul” (in my opinion). How are you doing with this? I will be grateful.
                    2. Rrv
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                      23 May 2013 00: 54
                      Quote: Yeraz
                      It's like that in our family.

                      This means that both elements of traditional culture and elements of Soviet upbringing are still strong in your family - and experience, coupled with difficult conditions and age, leaves its mark. The stupidity of youth is mostly a passing thing.
                      Nevertheless, the fact that relatives pull out Caucasian children who have “misbehaved” against other nationalities indicates that the Caucasian peoples (like most small nations) are nationalists and easily break the law, and also that the punishment What you receive at home is still easier than the punishment received within the framework of the law. Well, of course, this fact speaks of the corruption of officials both as such and Russians in particular.

                      So the Russians pass by these conflicts, I already said here when in Turkey, for 2 cops from St. Petersburg, in a conflict with the Kurds, my brother and I stood up, and the entire calving room full of Russian Belarusians, men of tall stature and considerable weight, did not stand up against the short stature of the Kurds. I’m not always I knew and saw the thesis of my hut from the edge, but there I was already in shock.

                      I completely agree here. For the Russians (with rare exceptions) to come to the aid of an unfamiliar brother must be very annoying, and even you never know what exactly will bother you and when.

                      Well, there are different conflicts and so do the participants. Therefore, it depends on the situation.

                      Right. I took a standard situation - young animals against young animals, each group within 20 people - from personal experience, so to speak.

                      Only a Caucasian can stick a knife in without thinking because of a trifle, so in St. Petersburg I am more afraid of my Caucasians than Russians. With Russians in a fist fight you can solve everything, a knife is the most extreme option if there is a specific threat to life, but with mine I already have Initially, the knife is on the handle, although in the case of Chechens it must be used immediately. And with others it’s 50-50. Depending on the situation. Our emotions completely turn off our brains. Therefore, we need to turn it on for ourselves before it turns off for him)

                      Agree. I think that the problem here lies in the old, persistent separatist sentiments, the serious criminal past of the region, the distortion of the traditional culture of Islam (such deformations are now widespread), and in the traditional culture itself - if you are laconic and speak quietly, then a Caucasian simply does not perceive you seriously. smile

                      Well, let's hope and make efforts to ensure that there are fewer conflicts and more understanding - as then:
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          21 May 2013 19: 24
          Quote: Yeraz
          That’s why our bandits, the Georgian ones, and in general all the criminals moved to Russia; conditions have been created for them here.

          It’s hard to disagree with you on this.
          Saakashvili resolved the issue with thieves very quickly and effectively - if you are a thief, then you sit for a long time and stubbornly, or go to all four directions.
          In Russia, thieves feel like fish in water.
          Quote: Yeraz
          .And so normal Caucasians will never go to understand and participate in fights for the wrong one, stupidly because he is one of their own.

          Apparently I have never met “normal” people in my life.
          1. +1
            21 May 2013 19: 44
            Quote: Chen
            Apparently I have never met “normal” people in my life.

            Life is long. Of my Russian acquaintances, there are few normal ones either. The majority of them are clubbing, drinking, just wagging their tongues, but how to stand up for something like that is their goal in life. That’s why I only communicate with normal ones. I just turn away from others. But from these red-jackets about The shopping center makes me sick and I try not to go to places where there are individuals that irritate me.
  81. ed65b
    +2
    21 May 2013 18: 29
    Quote: Roman Best
    There is a country. There are laws that are uniform for everyone in this country. To comply with these laws there is an executive power, which we elect. All other laws, such as Islam or Sharia, are laws for home use. And if everything is upside down, apparently that’s the problem -in the executive branch, which we elect. It turns out, in us?

    And the problem is not only with the authorities. The local population of the Caucasus indulges the terrorists precisely by condoning their silence with the stupid “code of Caucasian honor.” Everyone knows the local bandits - terrorists and their accomplices very well. They don’t report to the authorities and the authorities don’t fight against them themselves, which is why there are terrorist attacks throughout the Caucasus. That’s why bandits gallop through the forests like pedal horses. Then they are blown up and killed. And look at young men from the Caucasus? Entirely bearded individuals with an unkind wolfish look - they are afraid. And because of their fear they oppose everyone around them. They always feel like they are being mocked and disrespected. and why? because that's how they are raised. Dad is disrespectful towards people of other faiths, the children absorb it. Then they repeat the matrix of parents in the same way. Yes, the Caucasus lives within itself in hatred between Dagi and Chechens, Ossetians and Ingush, etc. Give them free rein, they will kill each other in a year. And in this whole swamp there is a small percentage of normal, tolerant (in a good sense) people whom no one hears and who live as outcasts. And those who leave there and dissolve in a huge country are assimilated and live just like everyone else, remaining Muslims, honoring their traditions and no one bothers them in this. The madness of the dashing 90s must be burned out with a hot iron for another 30 years.
  82. alexanderrus.
    +1
    21 May 2013 18: 44
    Quote: Gleb
    The Orthodox rite of worship has not changed much for 1000 years

    and double-fingered? bowing? walking in the sun? for which RUSSIAN people were persecuted and punished? burning? and how are rituals and sacraments held today? Has it not changed so much?
    (The rest does not make sense to comment)

    Quote: Gleb
    here is an analogue of your thoughts. and you say that for a thousand years nothing has changed ..
    he also trades

    "Be born, be baptized, get married, die - give your ass money for everything."
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  83. 0
    21 May 2013 19: 07
    “That is why, by the way, conscription from the national republics of the North Caucasian Federal District into the Russian army was reduced to a minimum, and in some cases completely cancelled.” ---- Most likely they will be imprisoned, so they cave in, I remember during my own service they were somehow quickly introduced into the norm, when mine began to quickly understand yours. Well, in relation to all sectarians, ordinary state terrorism, the most effective and reliable means is night, craters. You have to work, work sets your brain in the right direction, but there you seem to have unemployment, manufacturing instead of mosques is more useful.
  84. 0
    21 May 2013 19: 07
    “That is why, by the way, conscription from the national republics of the North Caucasian Federal District into the Russian army was reduced to a minimum, and in some cases completely cancelled.” ---- Most likely they will be imprisoned, so they cave in, I remember during my own service they were somehow quickly introduced into the norm, when mine began to quickly understand yours. Well, in relation to all sectarians, ordinary state terrorism, the most effective and reliable means is night, craters. You have to work, work sets your brain in the right direction, but there you seem to have unemployment, manufacturing instead of mosques is more useful.
  85. +1
    21 May 2013 19: 33
    I didn’t read the comments above because... I don’t think it’s necessary...just today I discussed this problem with my drivers. Saratov region, simple people - they don’t favor the Dags and Chechens... but it hasn’t reached the boiling point yet, but, according to conversations, it will break out soon... and, sorry, those who don’t let Russians go in business and the Caucasus will be to blame I sold it for cabbage...
  86. Anat1974
    +5
    21 May 2013 22: 11
    Dear friends, I read the article, selectively read the comments and realized that the whole people were in disarray. I am writing as a resident of the Stavropol Territory, Russian by nationality.
    I consider the main problem in the Stavropol region to be the very low level of income of the population, especially in the eastern regions (for various reasons about which I will not go into lengthy and tedious detail). About 5 percent of the population receives a salary of 7 to 30 thousand. the rest left not far behind them. What is 7 thousand. In winter I pay up to 6 thousand for gas alone. A very large percentage of the Russian-speaking rural population leaves the settlements and goes to the cities of the region, from the cities they go to Moscow, St. Petersburg, and anywhere to feed their families. In fact, they have not been deregistered with us, but they live for 10 or more years outside the region. (Therefore, no one knows exactly how many people have left the region). These are mostly people with at least a normal secondary education, and more often with a higher education; again, these are mostly young people (well, at least up to 40 years old). Dagestan is coming to take their place, etc. The newcomers have a maximum of secondary education (approximately equivalent in level to primary education in Stavropol), a lot of arrogance, speak a little Russian but have a lot of show-offs. (At least this is the situation in small towns and villages). I believe that the main thing is the economy. We have no forward movement and no prospects. Although we “plow” no less than in the so-called. developed regions. A sea of ​​dough is poured into the national republics, it is stolen, and the inhabitants of these republics (without producing anything, without plowing as we do here for the indicated 5-7 thousand) are scattered with them like boyars in front of the slaves, buying up everything and everyone (this is already a story about those who travels to our larger cities).
    By the way, Caucasians who were born here or have lived here for 20 years don’t like this story either, and newcomers don’t delight them either. But that’s another story, I got carried away. THE MEANING OF ALL THE SAID: STOP STUPIDLY INVOLVING INTO THE ECONOMIES OF THE NATIONAL NORTHERN CAVA. REPUBLIC. STILL, YOU WILL NOT APPROACH, BUT ONLY INCREASE. THE ECONOMY NEEDS TO BE DEVELOPED IN THE STAVROPOL REGION BEFORE THE REMAINING RUSSIAN POPULATION RUNS FROM HERE FOR A BETTER HALT. And then you can think about other issues.
  87. +1
    22 May 2013 04: 37
    hmm, judging by the comments, there is such a shock that there will never be peace in the Caucasus, but it will get worse and worse!! and who solves such issues quickly and effectively correctly STALIN, but where can we get him? and so this bad thing will drag on for decades and will end again (God forbid) with a bloody massacre, and then again and again this region will be a cancerous tumor of Russia and of course the Amers will not miss the chance to throw sabers into the fire, so until someone who really has power says a lot ! apparently there is no other way
    1. -1
      22 May 2013 06: 53
      And judging by your comment, you are 5 years behind in development, or even made a mistake with the resource. The author has stopped burning for a long time! laughing
  88. +1
    22 May 2013 15: 26
    After reading the article and discussion, I noted that the Orthodox in Russia began to differ significantly in their specifics in relation to radical Islam and its movements... The tone of statements in discussions became smoother, a certain calmness was felt against the backdrop of a conscious algorithm of actions and understanding of their necessity than this was a year ago...

    The conventionally Russian Orthodox and traditional Muslim world has taken the path of concentration of will...

    Which, by the way, is also noted by hidden radical Muslims themselves...

    I hope that concentration of force will not be needed - another year and God willing, there will be a decline in the escalation of the quarrel in Russia...

    I really hope so.

    But I’m glad that having realized the threat, we are almost ready...IMHO
  89. Apologet insane
    +1
    22 May 2013 17: 51
    This is, perhaps, a good example of what our official fellow citizens from the North Caucasian republics actually think about the militants and their place in our state. Please look at their comments and don't be alarmed.

    http://vk.com/feed?section=comments&w=wall-4121067_525603
  90. gladiatorakz
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    23 May 2013 11: 59
    The correct law and the support of the Cossacks will solve this issue. Only real Cossacks and not mummers. Revival and education of the Spirit in youth. The restoration of the Cossacks solves many problems of modern Rus'. Here are the Caucasus and the Chinese border and crime. Understanding oneself as a Rus according to nationality and the example of the Ancestors, and not cultivating the appearance of office semi-gays who are not their own masters, much less defenders of the Motherland.
    1. Kostyan85
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      26 May 2013 18: 31
      I completely agree about the Cossacks.
  91. Ruslan_F38
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    26 May 2013 16: 58
    In the previous article everything was clear:
    If Muslims demand that their rights be taken into account and recognized - to wear a hijab, to “not offend religious feelings,” which usually leads to the ban of crosses, Christmas trees, etc., religiously motivated crimes should not be committed by people from their midst.

    If such crimes are committed, then the entire religious community should bear responsibility for their consequences. You can’t act as a collective community, demanding privileges and concessions for yourself, and immediately turn into a community of individuals who are not responsible for each other, just smell fried.

    And the authorities need to stop flirting with the Islamists.
  92. Kostyan85
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    26 May 2013 18: 17
    Quote: DAGESTANETS333
    - dear Andrei, in fact, if you follow Islam, dress appropriately, it is necessary, regardless of where you are. Then just honestly forbid the Muslims who decided to dress Islamic, move around the Russian territories of Russia ... - is absurd! - agree?

    Sorry. I'm not particularly good at the history of Islam in the Caucasus. Until when did its residents wear hijabs and why did they stop? I mean wearing en masse.

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