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What prevents to stop the expansion of radical Islam in the regions of Russia? (On the example of the North Caucasus Federal District)

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North Caucasus Federal District of the Russian Federation. The total population of 9,55 is a million people. The district with the highest population density in Russia. Ethnic composition (first five): Russians - 30%, Chechens - 14,5%, Avars - 9,2%, Darghins - 5,8%, Kabardians - 5,3%.


The only region of the North Caucasus Federal District, which is not the so-called national republic, is the Stavropol Territory. Stavropol is the most economically developed subject of the North Caucasus Federal District, with a level of gross regional product that is quite modest, based on average indicators throughout Russia, but the level of Stavropol GRP is two or more times higher than similar indicators of the neighboring republics of the district. And according to the classical laws of economics, the better the economy of a territory is developed, the more likely it is that people will appear in this territory who are ready to use relative economic well-being for their own purposes.

If you pay attention to the Stavropol Territory, then this particular subject of the federation shows in recent years steady population growth. On the one hand, such information may seem clearly positive, but if you look at the ethnic background of the growth of the Stavropol population, you can see that there is no special reason for the joy of demographic indicators. The fact is that the region has not given any increase in the Russian population for more than 15 for years, although it was considered privately (at least in Soviet times). The main population growth is given by representatives of the so-called Caucasian peoples (the same Avars, Dargins, Chechens). And this increase is visible, as they say, to the naked eye: if in Russian families 1-2 children are most often born, then Caucasian families are usually set to produce at least three children. Moreover, if Russian families, justifying themselves for a small number of children, tend to say that, they say, problems with housing, low wages, lack of job prospects, then for Caucasian families, all this domestic background is extremely rarely associated with childbirth. The traditionality of a large family for the Caucasus has not gone anywhere.

Obviously, such a situation leads to a demographic roll. The same Stavropol region is quite actively saturated with representatives of the Caucasian nationalities, losing the Russian population. Moreover, the loss occurs not only as a fact of low birth rates in Russian families against the background of high birth rates in Caucasian families, but also from emigration that has manifested itself lately: many representatives of the Russian ethnic group from the Caucasus have either already left or are going to leave. In the news program "News of the Week", the figure in 7% was sounded - just as many Russians left the borders of Stavropol in the last 14-15 years. Official statistics on the apparent decrease in the number of the Russian population of the region is missing. In addition, attempts are being made by the local authorities to keep silent about the problem, stating that all this talk about the “Russian exodus” is a journalistic lie, not supported by official data. But if it's a lie, I would like to see these official data already ...

What prevents to stop the expansion of radical Islam in the regions of Russia? (On the example of the North Caucasus Federal District)


However, the main problem of the same Stavropol Territory is not so much that the percentage of Caucasian residents in the region becomes greater, and the number of Russians is less, but the fact that the Stavropol region slowly, but unfortunately, truly turns into one of the strongholds of radicalism. It was in recent years that the activities of radical Islamists began to show itself with a certain regularity. Increasingly, law enforcement officers are faced with the work of small groups that distribute extremist literature in the province. Moreover, the most popular variant of the distribution of benefits is clearly radical sense is to use mosques that grow in the Stavropol region faster than mushrooms after rain. Of course, there is nothing wrong with believing people visiting mosques and developing Muslim traditions. But the problem here is something else: these people are willing to take advantage of completely different forces, which, under the guise of true faith, are trying to push through extremist ideas, luring new and new "adepts" to their side. If we consider that today in Stavropol Territory every one in every five Muslims is already, then there is a field for the work of emissaries.

In connection with the identified use of Muslim centers (mosques) to spread extremist ideology, local courts imposed several bans on the construction of new mosques in various localities of the region. This led to a negative reaction from local Muslims. Negativism on this issue is also fueled by those who are trying to cultivate radical views among the local population of the Islamic faith.
Not less problems in the region are connected with the sensational history about wearing Muslim headscarves by girls from school in the village of Kara-Tyube in the east of the Stavropol Territory. It was the scandal connected with the fact that the parents of the girls stopped letting them into school after the pedagogical community prohibited girls from entering the school in the hijab, the village of Kara-Tyube, mainly, is known. After this story, the school director even had to quit school and leave the village, as she began to receive clear threats against her.

The parents of the girls themselves (mostly fathers, one of whom, by the way, law enforcement officers once discovered the very extremist literature) are trying to convince everyone that girls like Orthodox Muslims themselves want to go to school in the hijab, but this “self-desire” is more see an attempt at a certain provocation. Although, on the other hand, these same parents have quite a weighty trump card in the dispute about what appearance a modern schoolboy should have (a modern schoolgirl). This trump card is this: they say, if teachers in the same Stavropol region are confused by hijabs, then why aren't they embarrassed by the piercing in the navels or mini skirts of other schoolgirls ... Indeed, the argument is weighty ...



Let's hope that all questions about the appearance of students in any Russian region will find their answers after the uniform school uniform has been introduced in the country. After all, even in many of those countries that call themselves “victorious democracy” countries in educational institutions, a uniform pattern that smooths, let us say, social and economic differentiation. Yes, we have our wonderful experience (the experience of the Soviet era), when school uniforms did not divide people into poor and rich, believers and non-believers.


In Karachaevsk secondary school, 1986 year



Although it can not be excluded that the introduction of school uniforms of a single provocation with the same hijabs will not end. After all, it is quite obvious that a person who makes his child defiantly expose religious status will continue to try to do this, and in the case of certain sanctions declare that the child is denied the right to receive an education. But if the situation comes to a new confrontation, it will be clearly clear: do the parents of these schoolgirls really advocate morality or are trying to loosen the situation in the region, which is turning into a real multiethnic and multi-religious.

Returning to the radical Islamization of the Russian Caucasus, is there an opportunity to stop this process at the legislative level? On the one hand, you can introduce a number of restrictive measures aimed at banning the construction of new mosques, appearing in religious vestments in public places, on street prayers and on other things. But, as you know, prohibitive moves do not always lead to positive results. They, on the contrary, can cause a whole squall in a very heated region. It turns out that the main opposition to radical Islamization is the alignment of the demographic situation in a natural way - maintaining a balance of moral, religious and cultural interests. And also - the revival of their self-awareness, which we were forced to pretty much over the last years 20-25. If the Russian population of the region itself was preoccupied with its own, at least, demographic problems, then there would be no need to leave their homes or sell them for a pittance to visitors from the North Caucasian republics. And this is typical not only for Stavropol. But what - it turns out that you need to force us to produce even children into the world - and again, perhaps, at the legislative level ... No, there is no legislation that will be powerless until the need for a large family appears - children who will continue to live and work in the territory where their parents lived and worked.

But there is one more aspect of the problem: any Caucasian community is a priori much more united than the modern Russian group of people (plus for the Caucasian communities, and minus for you and me today). This is manifested even in the framework of the army service, when sometimes two or three draftees - a representative of the North Caucasian peoples - may dictate to a company, where 95% of Russians, Tatars, Chuvash, and others. Their own conditions. And in fact, which is typical, in most cases, this dictate works. No matter how sad it is, you need to recognize ... That is why, by the way, the call from the national republics of the North Caucasus Federal District to the Russian army was reduced to a minimum, and in some cases canceled altogether. Is this not the answer to why Russian people in the Stavropol region often resignedly give up their favors to visitors ...

Of course, after such words, there are readers who write: they say, and what do these words do on the patriotic site, what kind of attacks on Russians? .. But not attacks, this is our problem, and trying to ignore it means to give in in front of her. I would like to think that sooner or later we will remember what kind of people united all the other nations under the flag of a single large state in which you and I had the honor to live and work. But there was such a line in the Soviet anthem ... And if you remember, then you see - and we will cease to lament that some, sorry, bearded uncle came and made us give him our home, our land, our dignity ...
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  1. Nevsky
    Nevsky 21 May 2013 07: 29 New
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    What prevents stopping the expansion of radical Islam in the regions of Russia (on the example of the North Caucasus Federal District)?


    Political will hi

    By the way, can we ask Gorbachev? It seems to be symbolic, here in the Stavropol Territory, Judas worked ... am
    1. Greyfox
      Greyfox 21 May 2013 08: 11 New
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      Why doesn’t the clue (it’s impossible to call it a head) of our powers that be come in, a simple but effective move is to declare the Sufis (Wahhabis) as a destructive anti-state sect, attributing the propaganda of these views to especially serious crimes (with the planting up to life, or even better sending to Alla) to the bar). Belonging to the sect-deprivation of citizenship and expulsion from the country (let them go to Saudi Arabia dear to their hearts or to Afghanistan). It is necessary to brutally clear all our territory from these choices. Saudi sponsors and human rights defenders of “freedom from conscience” can walk in the woods.
      1. zvereok
        zvereok 21 May 2013 09: 47 New
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        "declare the Sufis (Wahhabis) a destructive anti-state sect, attributing the propaganda of these views to particularly serious crimes"

        Just this week in the United States published a list of countries where there are problems with religious freedom. Russia is not on the list yet. But apparently the water is stirring in our direction. Again, the spy caught was looking for contacts with an employee who had information about Sev. Cav.

        And I’ll answer your question in such a very effective way that the level of political support in the Russian regions has been raised, so when they give in the face for membership in EP in central Russia, yes, then they will begin to adopt such laws. Well, or as usual, they will accept it when it is too late.
      2. DAGESTAN333
        DAGESTAN333 21 May 2013 09: 50 New
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        Quote: Greyfox
        declare Sufis (Wahhabis) a destructive anti-state sect
        - Sufism and Wahhabism are now one and the same? Do not be stupid and learn materiel!
        1. Greyfox
          Greyfox 21 May 2013 10: 33 New
          +9
          Is Sufism and Wahhabism the Same? Do not be stupid and learn materiel!

          Do not be rude. I made a mistake (or rather sealed) I admit. Of course, the Salafis.
          1. DAGESTAN333
            DAGESTAN333 21 May 2013 10: 56 New
            +3
            Okay .. no offense ..
            1. Patriot of Russia
              Patriot of Russia 21 May 2013 19: 05 New
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              Quote: Nevsky
              By the way, can we ask Gorbachev? It seems to be symbolic, here in the Stavropol Territory, Judas worked ...

              he has been doing business for 20 years. you still ask Lenin. and Judas, with whom we are now asking. with a humpback two boots of steam. one Union has collapsed, another is killing Russia, enriching along with its gang
        2. anip
          anip 21 May 2013 10: 35 New
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          Quote: DAGESTANETS333
          - Sufism and Wahhabism are now one and the same? Do not be stupid and learn materiel!

          Yes, on the drum, the article is not about Sufism or Wahhabism.
          And about the materiel here:
          The flexibility of Sufism and the “openness” to extraneous influences made it extremely heterogeneous. Being originally a sermon of humility and a departure from worldly vanity, over the course of its history more than once it became at first the ideology of insurgent and Mahdist movements, and later - the anticolonial struggle. Among the famous uprisings: the “Murid uprising” in Andalusia, the religious and political movement in Anatolia led by Sheikh Badruddin, the Caucasian war led by Shamil, etc.
          1. DAGESTAN333
            DAGESTAN333 21 May 2013 11: 21 New
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            Absolutely right! - they will begin to forbid me my religion, in my own land - I will resist!

            Will it be on the drum - Sufism or Wahhabism? - take your drum, your laws and leave my land! And we will not interfere with each other.

            Need a state within modern borders? - get ready to take into account the opinion of all citizens living in the territory of the state!
            1. anip
              anip 21 May 2013 12: 06 New
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              Quote: DAGESTANETS333
              Will it be on the drum - Sufism or Wahhabism? - take your drum, your laws and leave my land! And we will not interfere with each other.

              I live on my land, but yours have come too far beyond measure. So the question is who else is bothering anyone. I am addressing your words to yours:
              take your drum, your laws and leave my land!

              along with their hijabs.
              And in general, I am not against Muslims, I have many acquaintances and friends of the Tatars, but they, like you, the LCN, do not impose their religious clothes on anyone and do not try to establish their laws.
              Need a state within modern borders? - get ready to take into account the opinion of all citizens living in the territory of the state!

              To be honest, it would be nice to make you truly independent, including from huge subsidies from the Kremlin, subsidies, preferential taxes, etc.
              1. Colonel
                Colonel 21 May 2013 12: 56 New
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                leave my land!

                And who said that the Stavropol Territory is your land ???
                1. DAGESTAN333
                  DAGESTAN333 21 May 2013 13: 14 New
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                  Is the Stavropol Territory my land? - no, I have not heard! But Dagestan, this is my land.
                2. Lakkuchu
                  Lakkuchu 21 May 2013 20: 00 New
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                  Quote: colonel
                  And who said that the Stavropol Territory is your land ???

                  And what is your land? If we ask the question this way, then this is the native land of the Nogais, part of which the Russian troops slaughtered, and drove the remaining to the most infertile lands, the very best lands were distributed to the Cossacks and peasants from the central provinces. The same thing happened in the Kuban.
                  1. Colonel
                    Colonel 21 May 2013 22: 53 New
                    +6
                    Yes, ours. The Russians plowed this land and the Russians built cities on it. And the Russian troops came here to protect the Russians from the "raiding culture", including the Nogais. And at the expense of "cut" disingenuous. If you like history so much, ask why the Azov-Mozdok line of fortresses arose at all.
                  2. Cossack23
                    Cossack23 23 May 2013 05: 58 New
                    -1
                    SOMETHING you are not there
                  3. Sour
                    Sour 24 May 2013 16: 54 New
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                    The Nogais themselves came to the North Caucasus only at the end of the 16th century. The first Russian settlements in the North Caucasus arose in the 11th century.
                    And no one would have touched the Nogais and the little finger (if they had not touched, for example, the Kalmyks), if it had not been for the stubborn desire of the Nogais to rob and plunder the South Russian lands.
                  4. timurpl
                    timurpl 26 May 2013 09: 50 New
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                    Quote: Lakkuchu
                    And what is your land? If so to pose the question, then this is the original land of the Nogais

                    Dig deeper is the land of the Alans! However, Ossetians do not tell anyone that this is our land! Live today...
              2. DAGESTAN333
                DAGESTAN333 21 May 2013 13: 09 New
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                Quote: anip
                I live on my land, but yours have come too far beyond measure. So the question is who else is bothering anyone. I am addressing your words to yours:

                - Greetings from the mountainous region of Dagestan!

                Quote: anip
                however, they, like you, LCN, do not impose their religious clothes on anyone and do not try to establish their laws
                - Every Muslim should try to observe Islamic ethics whenever possible. But since we want a state, we need to take into account the opinion of all citizens: not to apply for the judicial and executive system of Sharia, (for the rest, almost all laws and regulations are similar). But the robe, in fact, is one of the fundamental points of Islam! But I don’t understand one thing - what exactly does this robe interfere with Russian society? It does not interfere with personal identification (it is not necessary to hide your face and hands). And what does it interfere ??? In fact, the problem is, and only that, non-Muslims of Russia do not like the self-identification (from a cultural point of view) of wearing hijabs! The hijab, by itself, does NOT interfere with Russian statehood and does not contradict the constitution! Of course, I am a fan of Russian culture .. but I have a question - in Russia only Russian culture has the right to be?


                Quote: anip
                To be honest, it would be nice to make you truly independent, including from huge subsidies from the Kremlin, subsidies, preferential taxes, etc.
                - Yes, indeed, why do not we Russians gather our will, and hold a referendum - find out who, how and with whom he wants to live.
                1. queen
                  queen 21 May 2013 14: 10 New
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                  Quote: DAGESTANETS333
                  Only Russian culture has the right to be?

                  It has another way, but it's not your business, sit at home and sniff quietly, otherwise you are always offended. You need a thorn. Not from evil, just in case.
                  1. DAGESTAN333
                    DAGESTAN333 21 May 2013 14: 19 New
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                    I did not understand - who is referring to?
                    1. queen
                      queen 21 May 2013 14: 34 New
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                      can’t you see in the mirror? They say that there are no bad nations, but degenerates. I don’t agree, there are nations insolent to insanity, this refers to the Caucasus, and there are no good and bad ones, there are burnt monkeys.
                      1. DAGESTAN333
                        DAGESTAN333 21 May 2013 14: 58 New
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                        Quote: regin
                        can’t you see in the mirror? They say that there are no bad nations, but degenerates. I don’t agree, there are nations insolent to insanity, this refers to the Caucasus, and there are no good and bad ones, there are burnt monkeys.
                        - And what exactly is the madness and arrogance of the Caucasus expressed in that we want to live according to Islam, try to dress according to Islam and do not bother anyone? (radicals and thugs do not matter).
                        Quote: regin
                        It has another way, but it's none of your business, sit at home and sniff quietly
                        - why do other cultures have bravo, but ours not? Are we second grade?
                        Quote: regin
                        otherwise you’re always offended. For the thorn you need
                        - why, we are not offended at all, we felt very good during the Union, for example, until the collapse of the Union embittered the Russians, and they began to look for the cause of their failures in others, and this was when everyone started to blush ...

                        Friends are known not only in joy.
                      2. queen
                        queen 21 May 2013 16: 47 New
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                        Quote: DAGESTANETS333
                        - why do other cultures have bravo, but ours not? Are we second grade?

                        And no one speaks about the first and second grades, we have been living together with the Tatars for many centuries, we live now. Your brother has many problems, has become too impudent, for the simple reason that our main tolera is in your homies, your permission for good is not will lead, that's why you need to be isolated, you don’t want to live by human laws, do you want to achieve respect? so do not worry, learn to live like the indigenous majority live. I will not show personal tolerance for you, it costs too much.
                      3. Larus
                        Larus 21 May 2013 17: 21 New
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                        and what exactly is the madness and arrogance of the Caucasus expressed in that we want to live according to Islam, try to dress according to Islam and do not bother anyone?

                        Dress as you like at home, no one forbids, but because we have a secular state, that is, the general rules of life for all, and not as you want. Well, what about you do not interfere, they made fun, because. you can’t hear one by one, but if in a group, then everyone hears you and sees your behavior. For example, I never had the desire to fry barbecue in a parking lot near a high-rise building and at the same time yell with my compass.
                      4. fzr1000
                        fzr1000 21 May 2013 19: 24 New
                        +1
                        You write well in Russian. Well done. I'm serious.
                      5. DAGESTAN333
                        DAGESTAN333 21 May 2013 19: 47 New
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                        HM thank you. Glad to. For a former threesome, probably not bad. It’s good that at least there is Google)) ...
              3. Yeraz
                Yeraz 21 May 2013 14: 40 New
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                Quote: regin
                It has another way, but it's not your business, sit at home and sniff quietly, otherwise you are always offended. You need a thorn. Not from evil, just in case.

                Damn, weird, hate each other, get separated. What's the problem ?? well, I still understand how we and the Armenians agree when everyone agrees, just the land question arose, but Chechnya, Dagestan, etc. are obviously not native Russian lands and Russians themselves do not consider them as such. What is the problem?
                But here the West has nothing to do, the Russians themselves will do everything.
                1. evfrat
                  evfrat 21 May 2013 21: 31 New
                  +6
                  The North Caucasus branch cannot solve the problem. Tajikistan, Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan seceded. So what? Have representatives of these peoples become less in Russia? On the contrary - more. At home, it’s worse for many of them than in “alien” Russia. So they will have to close the border for them, and deport those in Russia. Well, after all, this is impossible to do and this is contrary to the Russian spirit and worldview. We have always been tolerant of those who were our neighbor. Unless, of course, he began to become impudent. So respect us the way we are, respect the Russian fate and we will repay you the same.
                  1. DAGESTAN333
                    DAGESTAN333 21 May 2013 22: 40 New
                    +4
                    Wow ... the adept appeared in the studio ... ... amazed!
                    Quote: evfrat
                    this is contrary to the Russian spirit and worldview. We have always been tolerant of those who were our neighbor.
                    - only faith in this factor will keep other nations in the sphere of your civilization.

                    Quote: evfrat
                    So respect us the way we are, respect the Russian fate
                    - and respected! And some psychos, even love, and bow low to the initiators of the greatest civilization!

                    It’s a pity that the children have minded me, only because I mentioned my unshakable values, but my values ​​do not bother anyone ... Children tend to see only a fragment of the mosaic.
                2. 3 inches.
                  3 inches. 23 May 2013 09: 35 New
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                  everything is not so simple. It can be separated - this is not a problem. But what will these highlanders live for? There is no industry. the land in the mountains will not give birth to much, poor. why did the Caucasus have to take Russia under their own hands? yes because of constant raids.
            2. Georgs
              Georgs 21 May 2013 15: 29 New
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              Quote: DAGESTANETS333
              but I have a question - in Russia only Russian culture has the right to be?

              No need to juggle. Nobody infringes on national cultures in Russia. Another thing is that some of them either degenerate or are absent fundamentally. And this is not about tradition, but about culture. For example: there is a Dagestan poet (albeit deceased, but still there is), a literary block, you can say, Rasul Gamzatov (yours or not yours - it's up to you to decide between yourself). This is a national cultural surge. Who oppressed this most striking phenomenon of national culture? Denied? Unless the Dagestanis themselves. He, like (if not confusing), Avatar? But the Lezgins said that they are unpopular, "not quoted," you see! So, at the expense of only Russian culture is a bust. Generate outstanding representatives and contribute to the All-Russian Cultural Fund instead of general terrorism and robbery. And then your passionarity is all with a minus sign so far. Or else: point to an outstanding cultural phenomenon among the Chechen people. Bright, original, iconic. It is? What do students go to in Chechen schools? Who to be proud of? Historical bandos and terrorist Shamil? So this is not a cultural phenomenon. No, of course, one could recall Mahmud Esymbaev (I hope he wrote correctly) - a great dancer. But, I am afraid that this is not a representative of a national, but rather a global culture. So, "what do you have to object to the cosine resistance to sine"?
              1. DAGESTAN333
                DAGESTAN333 21 May 2013 15: 50 New
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                This is all, of course, good, and I agree with you, but could you reason the same way on the acceptability of the hijab? What do you think on this subject, based on what I said above?
                1. Georgs
                  Georgs 21 May 2013 16: 04 New
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                  Quote: DAGESTANETS333
                  This is all, of course, good, and I agree with you, but could you reason the same way on the acceptability of the hijab? What do you think on this subject, based on what I said above?

                  Here, everything can be clearly arranged: in national schools of national formations, children wear clothes that are conditioned by national traditions. Outside of their national formations, a “general civic” school uniform approved by the relevant state must be used. body.
                  1. DAGESTAN333
                    DAGESTAN333 21 May 2013 16: 26 New
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                    That is, if I am in Dagestan, the law is one for me, and if I go, for example, to Kamchatka, then the law is different? I get it.
                  2. baltika-18
                    baltika-18 21 May 2013 17: 06 New
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                    Quote: GeorGS
                    in national schools of national education, children wear clothing that is conditioned by national traditions

                    It’s wrong in the root. A school is a place where students can stand out among others only with knowledge and nothing more.
                    A uniform school uniform for all, without exception, in all subjects of the state. I came without a uniform and did not want to be allowed to attend classes. I don’t want to obey, let the uneducated go, do not give out an education certificate, cleaners and janitors are also needed.
                  3. Ivan.
                    Ivan. 21 May 2013 17: 22 New
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                    Quote: baltika-18
                    It’s wrong in the root. A school is a place where students can stand out among others only with knowledge and nothing more.
                    A uniform school uniform for all, without exception, in all subjects of the state. I came without a uniform and did not want to be allowed to attend classes. I don’t want to obey, let the uneducated go, do not give out an education certificate, cleaners and janitors are also needed.

                    The problem is that each autonomy has its own government, even here we have our own government in Gorky, but the Aurora Netu!
          2. Scoun
            Scoun 21 May 2013 18: 25 New
            +5
            Quote: DAGESTANETS333
            But the robe, in fact, is one of the fundamental points of Islam!

            Well, you can wear hijabs without going to extremes.
            Turkey, Tunisia, Tajikistan and Azerbaijan, although populated predominantly by Muslims, prohibit wearing hijabs in government offices, schools and universities.

            Kyrgyzstan, Kazakhstan .. like Muslim countries but don’t inflate from the "elephant fly" completely do without wearing hijabs and married women tie headscarves on their heads .... but to go to extremes ... maybe it’s not worth it.
            (By extreme, I mean fanning a scandal by not wearing a hijab to school or government agencies)
            1. evfrat
              evfrat 21 May 2013 21: 35 New
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              Until recently, a Russian woman was also obliged to cover her head and legs ankle-deep, only the Russians fell away from their faith.
      3. Nachkar237
        Nachkar237 21 May 2013 13: 26 New
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        Quote: DAGESTANETS333
        Absolutely right! - they will begin to forbid me my religion, in my own land - I will resist!

        Will it be on the drum - Sufism or Wahhabism? - take your drum, your laws and leave my land! And we will not interfere with each other.

        Need a state within modern borders? - get ready to take into account the opinion of all citizens living in the territory of the state!


        Oh, how you say it right !!! But dear, pass on the same to your fellow tribesmen - so that they do not climb into our regions with their orders! You live in Dagestan with your customs - and live on, and since he came to us, don’t get conceited, and don’t try to impose your orders !!! And then wait ... we do not climb to you with radical Orthodoxy !!!
        1. DAGESTAN333
          DAGESTAN333 21 May 2013 14: 14 New
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          I transmit, I relentlessly transmit! I do not have a habit to impose, especially radicalism. And our customs (in any case, valid) do not differ from the Constitution of the Russian Federation.
          1. queen
            queen 21 May 2013 16: 51 New
            +3
            Quote: DAGESTANETS333
            And our customs (in any case, valid) do not differ from the Constitution of the Russian Federation.

            Shooting at weddings? Carrying and using knives?
            1. DAGESTAN333
              DAGESTAN333 21 May 2013 19: 10 New
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              Quote: regin
              Shooting at weddings?
              - in my opinion, these are superfluous show-offs, and it is illegal. Must be punished.
              Quote: regin
              Carrying and using edged weapons?
              - Let them wear and apply, but only those who are required by law.
              1. matross
                matross 21 May 2013 19: 16 New
                0
                A rare case, but to you +. Sound and business!
                1. DAGESTAN333
                  DAGESTAN333 21 May 2013 19: 51 New
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                  And, so you can adequately look at things? I'm in shock ...
              2. queen
                queen 22 May 2013 15: 54 New
                +1
                Quote: DAGESTANETS333
                those who are required by law.

                Put +, but they wanted to spit on the laws, these are savages.
              3. Nachkar237
                Nachkar237 23 May 2013 21: 14 New
                +1
                there is no smoke without fire, people are not just not so happy, there are facts! Well, as for you personally, DAGESTANETS333, if you certainly are not cunning, then such respect! (for those who want to live in peace and harmony). The most important mutual respect, but unfortunately the representatives from the Caucasus prevail differently. Therefore, the Russian population is dissatisfied, as a result, we also have "bad" all sorts of skinheads and others! God give us the strength to overcome everything!
                1. DAGESTAN333
                  DAGESTAN333 24 May 2013 08: 41 New
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                  Quote: Nachkar237
                  God give us the strength to overcome everything!

                  - amen!
        2. VADIMKRSK
          VADIMKRSK 21 May 2013 20: 12 New
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          Radical Orthodoxy. And where does it come from? There is no religion kinder and friendlier. Buddhists don't give a damn about their neighbor. Islam is the youngest and most daring, born of war and for war.
          1. VADIMKRSK
            VADIMKRSK 26 May 2013 16: 55 New
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            Something I blurted out, or what? An atheist himself, unbaptized (there was no church in Severodvinsk, some bastards destroyed the grandmother in the village). Children in different ways relate to religion. But baptized ... The rite must be observed. What are my cons?
      4. baltika-18
        baltika-18 21 May 2013 16: 57 New
        +5
        Quote: DAGESTANETS333
        Will it be on the drum - Sufism or Wahhabism? - take your drum, your laws and leave my land! And we will not interfere with each other.

        What a zealous .....
        Your land is not and never will be. The whole earth belongs to God (Allah), forgot?
        Do not put your faith on display and you will be happy. Believe in peace and quiet ...
        With such hidden anger in your soul, you cannot see you in the next world gourii as your ears.
        1. DAGESTAN333
          DAGESTAN333 21 May 2013 19: 06 New
          +1
          Quote: baltika-18
          Your land is not and never will be. The whole earth belongs to God (Allah), forgot?
          - Wow! I realized - you are the most, most intelligent! And then what on God’s land, for example in central Russia, they look at my mosques and my clothes wryly?
          Quote: baltika-18
          Do not put your faith on display and you will be happy. Believe in peace and quiet
          - right! But I’m not going to stubbornly hide the attributes of my faith, which do not bother anyone, for example, from you.
          Quote: baltika-18
          With such hidden anger in your soul, you can’t see in the next world guria as your ears
          - Well, since you are such a large-scale specialist in this field, I agree that I am alone here - a petty, evil soul, and all the rest here are white, white fluffies ...
      5. evfrat
        evfrat 21 May 2013 21: 15 New
        +2
        the same can and must be said by us - the Orthodox.
      6. Andrew-001
        Andrew-001 22 May 2013 16: 21 New
        +1
        Comrade DAGESTAN333, I didn’t give you a minus - maybe you said your words on a platoon without understanding. But I’ll enter into a polemic with you - the land on which you live, and the state of which you are a citizen is called RUSSIA. If you are not satisfied with its laws and drums - no one will forcibly hold you.
        And no offense - but remember why Russia at one time annexed the Caucasus, which was completely unnecessary to her.
        The question is not about banning Islam, but about the fact that various Islamic sects should
        Quote: DAGESTANETS333
        take into account the opinion of all citizens living in the state
        1. DAGESTAN333
          DAGESTAN333 22 May 2013 16: 58 New
          +1
          Andrei, pay attention, I was just trying to find out what people see the specific problem of hijab. But here on our site how, two or three frantic people didn’t like the post - minusanuli - and let's add 50 more by inertia to minus ... People don’t need a construct, they act according to the patterns - now it doesn’t matter who Sunni, Sufist , Wahhabi ... you see them on the drum ... and by the way, each direction has a rather different attitude to himsman! Doesn't that matter?
          Well, what could I say? If they row me under one comb with terrorugs? What should I do? Of course then, we, normal Dagestan Muslims will want a separation from Russia, which we are on the drum! If we are on the drum for someone, then why not leave our land together with our jurisdiction? Are my opinions not fair?
          I just suggested discussing with the citizens the acceptability of the hijab, and they tried to stupidly shut me up (they say your extremist little things are unnecessary in Russia) ... is that fair? Who said hijab is an extremist manifestation? It should be worn by all Muslim women, it is written in our Koran.
          But the world exists on compromises, and in order to avoid turmoil, you need to partially compromise your values. Out of so many visitors to the site, only one DMB (see below) bothered to discuss the problem with me in a normal and reasoned manner.
          1. Andrew-001
            Andrew-001 22 May 2013 21: 52 New
            +1
            2 Of course, it’s impossible to row under one comb. Of course, you always need to understand what a particular person is in a particular case. No wonder they say that the first impression is deceptive.
            as for the hijab - yes, there seems to be such a tradition in Islam (I’m sorry, but I don’t really understand this religion). But no one prevents women from wearing it where this tradition is considered the norm - for example, in Dagestan. Why flaunt it all over the country? religious Jews, too, study normally in their Jewish schools, and there they can calmly behave as their traditions prescribe them. Why shouldn't Muslims do the same? It's not difficult. And such a "flaunting tradition" (do not be offended) only causes irritation in the rest of society. Oh, what I relate to exactly any religion and nationality, but frankly infuriates me that in St. Petersburg, on the outskirts of the Caucasus, they settled and begin to impose their traditions on the local population.
            Why can't Russian girls dress like they like being afraid to meet a “resident from the Caucasus” in St. Petersburg ?! And Caucasian girls dress like they want without fear of anything ?! Where is justice here ?!
            So you need to either look for a solution that somehow suits everyone - or make a decision for the majority of the Russian-Russian population.
            If not right - correct.
            Sorry to hurt you - but religious and national issues are difficult to discuss.
            1. DAGESTAN333
              DAGESTAN333 23 May 2013 09: 11 New
              -1
              Quote: Andrew-001
              But no one prevents women from wearing it where this tradition is considered the norm - for example, in Dagestan. Why flaunt it all over the country?
              - dear Andrei, in fact, if you follow Islam, dress appropriately, it is necessary, regardless of where you are. Then just honestly forbid the Muslims who decided to dress Islamic, move around the Russian territories of Russia ... - is absurd! - agree?
              Quote: Andrew-001
              And such a "flaunting tradition" (do not be offended) only causes irritation in the rest of society
              - Window dressing in Islam is considered sinful. There are such cases. But what if it is not a desire to stick out its feature, but a simple necessity?
              I’m frankly enraged that in St. Petersburg, on its outskirts, half of the Caucasus settled and begin to impose their traditions on the local population
              - to impose their values, I think no one has the right.
              Why can't Russian girls dress like they like being afraid to meet a “resident from the Caucasus” in St. Petersburg ?! And Caucasian girls dress like they want without fear of anything ?! Where is justice here ?!
              - if so, then there is no justice here. It is necessary to restore justice - let everyone dress as he wishes, within the framework of ethics.
    2. evfrat
      evfrat 21 May 2013 21: 14 New
      +1
      No, not on the drum. If you at least read the collection of Idris Shah, you will understand how far the Sufis are not only from any violence against the individual and extremism, but also from the traditional forms of Islam or Christianity.
  2. Georgs
    Georgs 21 May 2013 14: 50 New
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    Quote: DAGESTANETS333
    - Sufism and Wahhabism are now one and the same? Do not be stupid and learn materiel!

    Well, well, don’t need us here! .. It’s you yourself who sort of who you are. Orthodox Russians, this "materiel" to the lamp, vulgarly speaking. You’d better all your religion taken together carefully and thoughtfully taught (rather than cramming, for example, pieces from the Qur'an and prayers, without understanding their hidden meaning). And then they, you see, "materiel" teach. And that all Abrahamic monotheisms are one and the same, but for different peoples in different languages, so before that, you see, the majority of Muslims have not yet grown up and the Good News sent by Allah turned into godless, bloody idolatry. Faith must be enlightened, otherwise it is not faith, but a cult like medieval Catholicism with its Inquisition, or the current brutal gang of false Islam.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 21 May 2013 15: 08 New
      +4
      Quote: GeorGS
      a cult like medieval Catholicism with its inquisition

      Or medieval Orthodoxy, struggling with paganism, schismaticism and Uniate?
      1. mansur
        mansur 21 May 2013 15: 37 New
        +7
        Unknown in Astrakhan burned 15 cars with Dagestan and Chechen numbers
        Now employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs are searching for intruders committing arson in Astrakhan. This was announced on Tuesday by the portal Life News. The latest case of arson of cars with Caucasian numbers was recorded on May 19. Prior to this, unknowns burned another 15 cars with Dagestan and Chechen license plates.

        Weight goes to quarrel and divide
        And people are already boiling
        1. matross
          matross 21 May 2013 17: 26 New
          +8
          am
          Quote: mansur
          people are already boiling

          Right! A little more and begin to burn with the passengers! Someone began to think that the patience and kindness of the Russians are endless? May they honor about Germany the beginning of the 1945 of the year! "Kindness" in our hearts more and more. Who knows which drop will be the last?
          1. botsman-palych
            botsman-palych 21 May 2013 19: 14 New
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            And the young generation of highlanders simply DOES NOT KNOW this. They don’t learn this at school, mullahs, arriving from Egypt, tell them: the Russians are a drunken, lazy, degrading nation, they have spent their power - so our time has come ... We will scare them with lezgins, hijabs and Dushmani beards - they will run into the forests Muscovites, leaving you their cities, universities and night clubs! Nobody tells them what will happen when the Russian patience runs out - it’s understandable why. When I was on magas.ru, in response to calls coming out in my comments: “CUT THESE CAMOUS BOMS”, I wrote that before them there were many idiots who considered Russia weak, drunk, lazy, and they were much stronger and worse flocks of "Caucasian youth". I asked them if they knew what had become of these morons. Not that they did not answer - they were afraid to post my post. They are brave only with numerical superiority, and confidence in impunity. And they are afraid to even think about rebuff. You should have seen how “brave dzhigits” change when Russian riot police take them: snot, drool, and “we will no longer be” ... they once danced in Stavropol with a lezginka near the Salyut cinema until 2 am, bravely sending to passers-by - until a company of men in black arrived and without talking shot them from traumatic (yet) weapons. Dzhigits ran to complain how do you think - where? That's right - then the police. And they found these black "criminals" - they also incited ethnic hatred! And some time later, in the very center of the city, where one could not bump among people and cars, in broad daylight, at the stop opposite the Almaz store, a white “six” slows down, Caucasians come out with Kalashnikovs and begin to imitate shooting at passers-by in all directions . My friend, who personally saw it, does not understand weapons - m. these were pneumatic models of AKM. This is not the point, as you understand. But the point was the police reaction to this. A friend, hiding behind the wall of the stop, calls from the mobile to 02. The regional department and the regional police department are 400 meters from the scene. She remembered the words of the attendant forever: "Do not worry. WE KNOW. GUYS ARE JUST WALKING!"
            We will discuss on whose side "power"? Unless - for what reasons ...
            1. matross
              matross 21 May 2013 20: 54 New
              +2
              Quote: botsman-palych
              We will discuss on whose side "power"?

              We will be! For one case of pissed or corrupt cops, all police officers should not be judged! Moreover, the case is old. The police, like the army, are part of the people. And set up just like the people. I'm talking about Russian regions and I'm in the subject, believe me!
      2. Georgs
        Georgs 21 May 2013 15: 57 New
        +1
        Quote: Spade
        Or medieval Orthodoxy, struggling with paganism, schismaticism and Uniate?

        There were excesses in the field. Of course they did. But still the scale was smaller.
        And here, by the way: the Old Believer Orthodox Church is now quite in favor. With the paganism, the Russian Orthodox Church has always fought, fights and will fight, but, of course, ideologically and not medievally.
    2. DAGESTAN333
      DAGESTAN333 21 May 2013 15: 14 New
      +2
      Quote: GeorGS
      Well, well, don’t need us here! .. It’s you yourself who sort of who you are. Orthodox Russians, this "materiel" to the icon lamp, vulgarly speaking
      - a rather frivolous proposition. We understood each other for a long time. But your reluctance to understand who is who can lead to tragedy. The rest I agree.
      1. Georgs
        Georgs 21 May 2013 15: 50 New
        +3
        Quote: DAGESTANETS333
        - a rather frivolous proposition. We understood each other for a long time. But your reluctance to understand who is who can lead to tragedy.

        The judgment is based on the terrifying everyday facts of the Prus from all sides. And how do you understand each other there every day to see the box. On a global scale, so to speak. For an Orthodox person, simply belonging to a Muslim religion is enough. And if he is a true Muslim (and I personally have good friends — dearest and kindest people, many Orthodox are far from them), no additional sorting out of the differences is required. The Orthodox have all sorts of subtleties in the interpretations of Scripture, and they themselves have enough. There were still not enough worries to get into the jungle of related religions. There are canonical scriptures, there are clearly known teachings of the prophets. All. And the fact that some crooks from religion have interpreted to their advantage and woe to the people is already a sphere of investigation of law enforcement agencies, and in a particularly neglected state, it is also a self-defense force. This is to the question of leading to tragedy. By the way, the Christian fathers of the church have a saying: "You can not theologize from the wind of his head." And this, it seems to me, can be attributed to any modern monotheism.
      2. matross
        matross 21 May 2013 15: 56 New
        +4
        Quote: DAGESTANETS333
        rather frivolous judgment. We understood each other for a long time. But your reluctance to understand who is who can lead to tragedy.

        We also have to think deeply about your beliefs ?! Understood - continue to wet each other! And who among you is Shiite, Sunni, Wahhabi - it doesn’t matter to us at all! You build mosques, hodzhabs and other crap in Russia, you cut sheep on the street, do you like to shoot from cars? PREPARE !!! Russia slowly harnessed, but fast ride! am
        1. DAGESTAN333
          DAGESTAN333 21 May 2013 16: 21 New
          0
          Quote: matRoss
          We also have to think deeply about your beliefs ?!
          - Well .., I thought, in order to determine who is ready to live in Russia normally and who is not, it is necessary to understand who is who ...

          Quote: matRoss
          Understood - continue to wet each other! And who among you is Shiite, Sunni, Wahhabi - it doesn’t matter to us at all!
          - Now it’s very clear to me your attitude towards Muslims. No questions.
          Quote: matRoss
          You build mosques, hodzhabs and other crap in Russia, you cut sheep on the street, do you like to shoot from cars? PREPARE !!! Russia slowly harnessed, but fast ride!
          - first determine in your head - what is Russia, then show me the map, and then we will determine - will I build mosques in Russia, wear hijabs ... Aha?
          1. matross
            matross 21 May 2013 16: 51 New
            +2
            Quote: DAGESTANETS333
            I thought, in order to determine who is ready to live normally in Russia and who is not, it is necessary to understand who is who ...

            Yes, all live, the problem is not who, but how! They lived in the USSR — and now no one is against the same principles.
            Quote: DAGESTANETS333
            first determine in your head what Russia is, then show the map to me, and then we will determine whether I will build mosques in Russia
          2. matross
            matross 21 May 2013 16: 59 New
            +2
            Quote: DAGESTANETS333
            first determine in your head what Russia is, then show me the map, and then we will determine whether I will build mosques in Russia, wear hijabs ... Aha?

            Not aha! The map of Russia is the same! This refers to the non-Muslim part, the Stavropol Territory, in particular.
            And I don’t remember something, so that I would roll with you under the fence! So use the pronoun "you". And with a capital letter. Daragoi Dagistani friend!
            1. DAGESTAN333
              DAGESTAN333 21 May 2013 18: 49 New
              -1
              Well, I still don’t understand what you call Russia .. but so that you know, I’ll follow Islam, build mosques, (women) wear hijabs in Dagestan in any situation: both within Russia and outside Russia!

              Quote: matRoss
              Daragoi Dagistani friend!
              - and I used to really think that you were a friend, but it turned out that you are just another ...
              1. matross
                matross 21 May 2013 20: 31 New
                +6
                Quote: DAGESTANETS333
                I will follow Islam, build mosques, (women) wear hijabs in Dagestan in any situation

                Yes, do not hear the words against! And in the Stavropol Territory and other RUSSIAN territories, minarets and hijabs are generally useless! We in Dagestan and other republics will also not go in processions in bast shoes and kokoshniks! And pigs in Babayurt or Argun, for example, will not be publicly slaughtered for barbecue. And in Makhachkala with the song “Oh, viburnum is blooming” and shooting at the windows we won’t go by car, so be it! And we expect about the same from you. Then there will be peace, friendship of peoples and complete internationalism. And we don’t do that already! What about you? Are you experiencing our patience? And you don’t have to hide behind your faith, it’s a shame, you insult it yourself. May everyone worship their gods. And remember that as far back as 25-30 years ago in our common Motherland, almost all polls were atheists. Soviet people respecting each other.
              2. dmb
                dmb 21 May 2013 20: 55 New
                +6
                Bravo Magomed, hello. I already thought that you gave up (after one of your last comments) and left the site. And despite the fact that in some ways I do not agree with you, we have more in common. At first about what I disagree with. Hijabs. In this historical period of our country’s existence, it’s not just respect for customs or fashion. You can accuse me of conspiracy theology, but this is one of the elements of the ongoing work to divide the once-whole unified Soviet society. I will give you one simple example. In the Soviet years in Central Asia, schoolchildren, along with a pioneer tie, wore skullcaps in schools, and nobody cared. It was a tradition that did not divide people according to the national principle. Russians wore them as well. And now, remember, in Soviet times, did anyone in your class wear a cap or a hat? Even if this had occurred to someone not in jest, but seriously, then even before the teacher would have made a remark to him, his classmates would have plagued him with ridicule. I'm not talking about beshmet. Yes, not a scarf, but at least the rim of my classmates Chechen and Ingush wore, but their skirts were sometimes shorter than that of the Russians. And the whole local cultural elite studied at our school. It’s just that the Caucasus has largely adopted the European style of behavior. Now we are divided. with the help of religion, a reminder of old grievances and inciting ethnic hatred. The principle of "divide and rule" in all its glory. And about the hijabs, Alibek wrote well below. It makes no sense to repeat his weighty arguments. Sincerely.
                1. DAGESTAN333
                  DAGESTAN333 22 May 2013 09: 09 New
                  +1
                  Hello, Dmitry! Glad to read you!
                  Quote: dmb
                  this is one of the elements of the ongoing work to divide the once-whole unified Soviet society
                  - Come on, Dmitry, look at us, are we really like society? - Yes, we turned into a gang with mottos; "my hut from the edge!", "my nation is the coolest!" ...
                  If a serious analysis confirms that wearing a hijab will have a destructive effect on the state and Russian society, then I am ready to give up this attribute that is necessary for me. But I am sure that covering the female half with decent clothes does no harm.
                2. dmb
                  dmb 22 May 2013 10: 54 New
                  +5
                  Hello, do I argue with you. I wrote that, on the whole, the Company was united before, and now it is being successfully broken, and despite the welcoming cries of part of the population, the current government is to blame for this. Actually she and least of all this society is needed. For a united people it will be very difficult to explain Serdyukov and Livanov, Chubais and Kudrin. As for the notorious hijabs. I repeat, be a society united in your aspirations. I would also not see in their wearing at school a big trouble, but in my opinion. I emphasize that in my opinion this is connected not so much with religiosity (which of course is also present, but less often), but with the desire to show one’s belonging to a certain group. This is from the same category as the Lezghinka in Ryazan Square. After all, young people are dancing there not because they feel the need for dance, but in order to show: "We are together, we are stronger, we can." Often in Makhachkala they dance on the street for no reason? We all living in the Caucasus know what a men's headdress is, who. when and to whom it should be removed, and who not. Now look at the meeting of the State Duma or the Government. Well, you will not say that the deputies from the Caucasus are atheists or do not respect customs. Or that they are forbidden to sit in the hall in a hat. It’s just NOT ACCEPTED. Here at the school it is NOT ACCEPTED to distinguish oneself on religious and national grounds. By the way, Orthodox women also have to walk with their heads covered, and they walk. But to church or Sunday school. And that is their choice. For this reason, I don’t like that today the church (no matter what denomination) is actively climbing into state functions. This is both the army and education. This separates us even more.
                3. DAGESTAN333
                  DAGESTAN333 22 May 2013 12: 13 New
                  -3
                  Quote: dmb
                  in my opinion this is connected not so much with religiosity as with the desire to show one’s belonging to a certain group
                  - unbelievable ..! is it possible that someone can put on a zhidzhab for the sake of window dressing, for the sake of "features" and show-offs ... I did not even think about it ... If this is so, then it is very bad. But what to do? How to distinguish between those who really need it from a spiritual point of view ..?
                  Quote: dmb
                  It's just NOT ACCEPTED. Here at the school it is NOT ACCEPTED to distinguish oneself according to religious and national signs
                  - but on the bill “NOT ACCEPTED,” I think it is necessary to pass a law, so that it does not infringe on the religious feelings of citizens, and that statehood does not suffer damage.
                4. dmb
                  dmb 22 May 2013 13: 42 New
                  +5
                  I will try to continue. Tell me which society was more moral and compassionate to the neighbor: atheistic Soviet or present, which they are trying to make clerical. This is not about bad or good faith in God, but just stating a fact. Do believing parents instilling their children with love for their neighbors contradict what was said in the atheist school. There, too, they did not call for short skirts and piercings. At the same time, everything was dispensed with demonstrative wearing of hijabs. Therefore, I am sure that the hijab, yarmulka, or braid is not a "show off", but a more serious action aimed precisely at further dividing the society into national apartments. Our multinational state can exist only in one single case, the church is separated from the state. And to believe or not to believe in God is a private matter for everyone. Otherwise, we will continue to get clumsy laws, like fresh ones about insulting religious feelings. With him, we still break firewood.
                5. DAGESTAN333
                  DAGESTAN333 22 May 2013 15: 20 New
                  +1
                  Quote: dmb
                  it’s not “show-offs”, but a more serious action aimed specifically at further dividing the society into national apartments
                  - hmm ... instead of saying such a phrase-argument, they started stupidly destroying me here ... I completely agree with the argument. In order to avoid a fundamental split in society, we will have to adhere to common values.

                  Dmitry, reading you and Mayros, I want to think about the high ...)))

                  Thanks buddy!
                6. dmb
                  dmb 22 May 2013 20: 13 New
                  +1
                  I am glad that we find a common language. And not so much for us (we basically did not lose it) as for those who sincerely, I emphasize sincerely disagree with us. If these are people with a valid opinion, they have something to think about, and this is already a success.
                7. matross
                  matross 24 May 2013 11: 06 New
                  0
                  Quote: DAGESTANETS333
                  In order to avoid a fundamental split in society, we will have to adhere to common values.

                  Well, thank God, or Allah! Our Muslim brother heard us !!
  • His
    His 21 May 2013 17: 09 New
    +6
    Sometimes I want to sing in the words of Vysotsky on the topic of faith in at least Allah, even in Jesus, etc. etc. But we have a secular state and religion is separated by law from state affairs. And this must be maintained. Otherwise, there will be internal interfaith wars in a single country. Moreover, it is necessary to move space and science rather than listen to the mule at night and in the evening, otherwise I don’t know elementary things
    1. DAGESTAN333
      DAGESTAN333 21 May 2013 18: 35 New
      -4
      Quote: Own
      we have a secular state and religion is separated by law from state affairs
      - I agree, but let the state not interfere in religion, too, prohibiting completely neutral attributes, I'm talking about hijab.

      Quote: Own
      Vysotsky’s words on the topic, believe even in Allah, even in Jesus, etc.

      - the word (Allah) of course you wrote with a small letter, quite by accident .., yes, of course by accident ...
  • Nachkar237
    Nachkar237 25 May 2013 13: 25 New
    +4
    Buy in a bookstore a map of Russia, especially a historical atlas, and get enlightened! According to the composition of the population of Russia: Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians, (Slavs or non-Muslims in general) more than 85% of the population, Muslims (Dagestanis, Chechens, Kabardins, Ingush ...) not more than 10% !!! The rest are also not Muslims !!! Now, look where you can build mosques and wear hijabs, and where you shouldn’t do this !!! So often you write "my land", "on my land", and so on "your land" no one forbids your religion, and we certainly do not need it !!! I don’t come to you in Dagestan with sermons, I do not force you to celebrate Orthodox Easter ... Understand, finally, Russians are turning against you precisely because of your behavior and attitude towards non-Muslims !!! It turns out too fat for you: you go to permanent residence in the native Russian region, and as guests try your own ways and customs ... if that is your religion, then sit at home and do not lean out !!! Personally, I'm tired of these conversations !!! You don’t understand the good things, and discussing 1 Muslim with 9 non-Muslims on his whims is not reasonable, but arrogant, despite the fact that he is not forbidden at home !!! If you Muslims really are not comfortable with us, live so separate if you can! after all, you’ll first howl yourself !!! After the collapse of the USSR, history has shown how “it became easier to live” for the Balts ... and others too !!!

    On the example of Dagestan:

    Dagestan is one of the most subsidized regions of the Russian Federation. In 2011, the subsidy level of Dagestan increased by 3% in annual terms and amounted to 72,8% of the republican budget.
    In 2011, the budget of Dagestan was executed on revenues in the amount of 66,3 billion rubles, on expenditures - in the amount of 70,2 billion rubles. The budget deficit is 3,9 billion rubles. 79,7% of the republican budget revenues - gratuitous receipts
    1. DAGESTAN333
      DAGESTAN333 27 May 2013 16: 43 New
      -2
      Muslims (Dagestanis, Chechens, Kabardins, Ingush ...) not more than 10% !!! The rest are also not Muslims !!! Now, look where you can build mosques and wear hijabs, and where you shouldn’t do this !!!
      - Based on what law of the Russian Federation, I do not have the right, in the territory of the Russian Federation (in any part) (where there is a permit), to build mosques and adhere to the norms of my religion?
      But I do not go to Dagestan with sermons to you, I do not force you to celebrate Orthodox Easter ...
      - Am I forcing you to comply with the norms of Islam in the Russian Federation? And yet - on the basis of what law should I forbid (or resent) that you correct your religious holiday in any territory of the Russian Federation?
      Understand you finally, Russians are turning against you precisely because of your behavior and attitude towards non-Muslims !!!
      “We are obliged to show utmost respect to peaceful non-Muslims.” But non-Muslims are not inclined to distinguish between the currents of Islam. (different movements have a different understanding of coexistence with non-Muslims).
      It turns out too fat for you: you go to permanent residence in the native Russian region, and as guests try your own customs and customs ...
      - On the basis of what law should I distinguish ethnic characteristics of the territory of the same country in order to exercise my rights?
      if this is your religion, then sit at home and do not lean out !!!
      - Our religion obliges us to show utmost patience and peacefulness to other religions and unbelievers. But this statement does not find support among some currents of Islam.
      Personally, I'm tired of these conversations !!! You don’t understand the good things, and discussing 1 Muslim with 9 non-Muslims of his whim is not reasonable, but brazenly,
      - to solve emerging social problems, we need to be patient. I believe that compromising problems can be resolved equally acceptable to all members of society. The fact that Muslims are 10% does not mean that we can be neglected. However, we will be happy to comply with laws ensuring equality for all citizens of Russia.
      despite the fact that he is not forbidden at home !!!
      - Isn’t the law for me alone, are I at home, or are I outside the house, but on the territory of the Russian Federation ???
      Dagestan is one of the most subsidized regions of the Russian Federation.
      - financially, absolutely true!
  • Black
    Black 21 May 2013 16: 24 New
    10
    Quote: matRoss
    Understood - continue to wet each other! And who among you is Shiite, Sunni, Wahhabi - it doesn’t matter to us at all!

    It would be understandable if they wet each other on the basis of some kind of philosophical assumptions, from an idea, and there everything is stupid because of the dough. That is the trick. For 2 centuries, Russia from the early Middle Ages, if not primitive, drags and they are in no hurry to cultivate, this is the most complex, lengthy process. In the meantime, stupidly not understanding the subtext of the suras, they are interpreted in such a way as to wet their neighbor and have more sheep than the non-native teip.
  • VADIMKRSK
    VADIMKRSK 21 May 2013 20: 22 New
    0
    Have you been together for a long time? Now will you take us apart?
  • Uncle
    Uncle 21 May 2013 15: 44 New
    +1
    [quote = GeorGS] Abrahamic monotheisms [/ quote]
    What kind of beast is this? [Quote = GeorGS] and the Good News sent by Allah [/ quote]
    The Good News is the gospel in Greek. Mohammed was not Greek.
    quote = GeorGS] Faith must be enlightened [/ quote]
    Faith is just without knowledge, for example, how children believe.
    1. Georgs
      Georgs 21 May 2013 16: 18 New
      0
      [quote = Uncle] [quote = GeorGS] Abrahamic monotheisms [/ quote]
      What kind of beast is this? [Quote = GeorGS] and the Good News sent by Allah [/ quote]
      The Good News is the gospel in Greek. Mohammed was not Greek.
      quote = GeorGS] Faith must be enlightened [/ quote]
      Faith is just without knowledge, for example, how children believe. [/ Quote]
      Dear, do not find fault with the form. Well, how was I supposed to expound a Muslim? In the rigid Orthodox canonical framework?
      And what does “faith without knowledge” mean? What knowledge do you mean? Do you need to know Scripture? Knowing the interpretation of the Church Fathers is not in vain? Is it not necessary to know church traditions? Well, yes, I believe unconditionally and unconditionally. Nevertheless, reflections on faith, reading spiritual literature, attention to the words of the Primate ... Well, how could it be without this?
      Actually, this is what I had in mind when speaking of an enlightened faith.
      Yes, but about the "Abrahamic monotheisms" ... Gee! .. "Learn the materiel."
  • dmitreach
    dmitreach 21 May 2013 21: 54 New
    0
    (instead of cramming, for example, pieces from the Koran and prayers, not understanding their hidden meaning).

    Does it speak Orthodox? Surprised ... to say the least ...
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  • Ayrat M
    Ayrat M 27 May 2013 13: 46 New
    0
    Sufism has nothing to do with Wahhabism. this is not an extremist trend, as indeed the Salafists (Wahhabis), far from all are as bloodthirsty and warlike as many people think.
  • Su24
    Su24 27 May 2013 21: 26 New
    0
    There are no official statistics on a clear decrease in the number of Russian population in the region.


    Apparently the census is no longer counted if you need to wrap up a little phrase. The number of Russians remained exactly at the same level between 2002 and 2010.

    Why is the simple, but effective move-to declare Sufis (Wahhabis) a destructive anti-state sect



    And why doesn’t the idea come to your confusion that Sufis and Wahhabis are diametrically opposed groups? Sufis all the last time fought against the Wahhabis in the Caucasus.
  • GreatRussia
    GreatRussia 21 May 2013 08: 15 New
    18
    Quote: Nevsky
    Political will hi


    It should come from the bottom, from the regions. Otherwise, the tops, as our “helmsman” puts it, will “chew snot”, look back at the West and burry “human rights defenders”

    1. GreatRussia
      GreatRussia 21 May 2013 08: 40 New
      10
      ps

      Unfortunately I did not find domestic sources. I had to borrow from the "enemy" Saakashist.

      From 1 minutes 08 seconds.
      And 1 minute 59 seconds.

      Tkachev called on the Cossacks to squeeze out Caucasians.
    2. Goldmitro
      Goldmitro 21 May 2013 14: 04 New
      +8
      <<< After this story (with hijabs), the director of the school even had to quit school and leave the village, as she began to receive obvious threats against her. The girls themselves parents (mostly fathers, one of whom, by the way, at one time, law enforcement officers discovered the same extremist literature) are trying to convince everyone that girls, as faithful Muslims, themselves want to go to school in hijabs, but this “self-desire” is more an attempt to provoke a certain provocation. >>>
      All this extremist behaves SO. HOW local (unfortunately, sometimes not only local) authorities ALLOW YOURSELF TO TAKE YOURSELF! Our notorious liberal tolerance for all sorts of scum has already snapped up. Here’s even from the text of the article: the school principal began to receive threats, extremist literature was discovered in one of the parents of the girls who loved hijabs. SO WHAT? A serious investigation and search for the authors of threats has begun? And is the "book lover" - an amateur of extremist literature already held accountable? No matter how! Everything, for sure, was released on the brakes according to the principle - or maybe it will resolve or whatever happens, the school principal was advised to leave to the joy of the extremist scum who had come in and felt like a WINNER - you can continue to establish your own rules! It is easy to imagine what awaits us with such a policy of the authorities and law enforcement officers and how the Russians will survive in the future of STAVROPOLSTANA!
  • Skiff
    Skiff 21 May 2013 09: 41 New
    24
    Political will .... So we always need someone with whom we can ask who we can hide behind and hope for.
    So gentlemen, comrades, make families of 2-3 children, do not drink, do not smoke, live more modestly, work hard, bring up children, namely; playing sports, teaching history, morally and spiritually develop and believe the next generation will not be so easy to drive out of your home, or to impose your opinion from outside.
    And another moment, if they oppress like this, then create local communities, squads, and education on the ground to support each other, the government will not come to the rescue, it has betrayed us for a long time !!!
    1. AntonR7
      AntonR7 21 May 2013 13: 43 New
      +3
      So it needs to give birth more to it, but even if the government throws everything to chance, then we will not have enough time to spawn our chocks from the south, agree that if you feel the support of the authorities, there is confidence that no matter how difficult the situation is, you will not be left to their own devices.
    2. Borodko
      Borodko 21 May 2013 15: 57 New
      +4
      speak correctly
      in the USSR it was all the same and some Wahhabis and hedgehogs
      authorities are stupid
    3. evfrat
      evfrat 22 May 2013 12: 25 New
      0
      Tell the truth brother!
  • capitosha1rang
    capitosha1rang 21 May 2013 12: 58 New
    +5
    Gorbachev - and what?
    And, not about symbolism should be discussed.
    Proud guys want to occupy their niche - we will give them the opportunity. The interfluve of Yana and Indigirka is the most suitable place in which the hot Caucasian guys can cool their ardor.
    About Sufis.
    Do not talk about what is unknown living on earth.
    Fraught.
  • Georgs
    Georgs 21 May 2013 14: 35 New
    +3
    Quote: Nevsky
    Political will

    Or to put it more precisely: paralysis of political will. But the possibility of certain muddy political games and maneuvers of the ruling elite, which does not take into account the exponentially increasing social and national social tension in the process of these games, cannot be ruled out.
  • Phantom Revolution
    Phantom Revolution 21 May 2013 23: 38 New
    0
    Quote: Nevsky
    By the way, can we ask Gorbachev? It seems to be symbolic, here in the Stavropol Territory, Judas worked ... am

    I will say this, this is a complex problem, which is not only at the top but also everywhere. In our city, getting a resident from Central Asia a visa and permanent residence is easier than the same Russian from the same Asia, why corruption because. Driving near the parks, I see 20 janitors of Azeris on small plots of land, why? Yes, everything is simple, laundering days in the housing and communal services and free labor. Here, gathering in communities, yes yes, they have Azeri, Caucasian and other human rights organizations, why are there no organizations that protect the rights of Russians? Why, because all these sharashka were specially made in order to infringe on the rights and cover the criminals.

    Many will say right now, they say do not escalate the atmosphere, they say you want war? The war is already underway and if we do not come to our senses, then we will simply be genocide into a quiet one.
  • apro
    apro 21 May 2013 07: 30 New
    13
    Russians today are being blamed for everything, all the more so today they aren’t united by anything.
    1. sergey32
      sergey32 21 May 2013 08: 08 New
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      I do not care who, as a Russian, considers me guilty of everything. It’s time, after the troubled years, to gain self-confidence and self-confidence. My opinion is that a true Russian should, at a minimum, not abuse vodka, give birth to at least three, build a house on his own land, have weapons legally in this house. Who will push us out of our land then?
      1. apro
        apro 21 May 2013 08: 20 New
        15
        Sergei, with all due respect, in the war, and now it is the war that does not defeat the fighter no matter how prolific he is, not a group of comrades united by any interest, but the whole society, the whole people as a whole. What a citizen of our country must do is understandable but the most important thing is that the people, in the person of the best representatives, should work out the idea of ​​an ideology that could unite and direct society to deal with new threats. Now, another time, the Soviet project of peaceful coexistence cannot work.
      2. Gari
        Gari 21 May 2013 10: 46 New
        +6
        Quote: sergey32
        My opinion is that a real Russian should at least not abuse vodka, give birth to at least three, build a house on his own land, have weapons legally in this house

        So lived - Terek Cossacks from the 16th century living in the Caucasus
      3. Egoza
        Egoza 21 May 2013 11: 17 New
        13
        Quote: sergey32
        My opinion is that a real Russian should at least not abuse vodka, give birth to at least three, build a house on his own land, have weapons legally in this house

        Speak correctly, dear. But it is necessary that such a Russian is not yet persecuted by the authorities. And then they receive their own from their own, and strangers grin and become impudent.
        1. Uncle
          Uncle 21 May 2013 12: 40 New
          +6
          Quote: Egoza
          But it is necessary that such a Russian is not yet persecuted by the authorities. And then they receive their own from their own, and strangers grin and become impudent.

          Here! Gold words! Indigenous people betrayed by power! The dominance of Asians - state. policy!
    2. sancho
      sancho 21 May 2013 12: 09 New
      +8
      And what kind of associations can we talk about?
      If as soon as they arise, then they are immediately covered for nationalism. An example of this is RNE, KRO. Cossacks and those are not allowed to unfold in full.
      I remember when the activists of RNE in black shirts walked in the city, it worked very well for visitors. We sat like mice.
      The state does not want to restore order, neither by the Ministry of Internal Affairs nor by any means ... Toothless!
      1. Skiff
        Skiff 21 May 2013 14: 26 New
        +8
        A simple example, in the city of Dmitrov there is a public movement called Rusichi, priority is not to drink, do not smoke, play sports, support each other in situations, an example is simple, send SMS, or dozens of calls and for a short time, and even further hundreds of young guys.
      2. Colonel
        Colonel 21 May 2013 15: 42 New
        +9
        Toothless? I do not agree. This is a power politics. Any nationalistic manifestation from the side of the visitors (from the Lezgian screaming from the speakers in the middle of the sleeping city to the murder) is a routine. Any manifestation of Russian self-defense is extremism. As an example, a case from the life of the city of Stavropol. In 2008, a group of "guests" hooked on the outfit of PPSnikov in the northwestern region. While the police acted according to their instructions, local teenagers stood up for the outfit. A fair fight ensued during which one of the "guests" died. The next day, two Russian students of the medical academy (from the group where this "guest" studied) were stabbed to death on the threshold of this very academy. Many officials arrived in the city for analysis. And they figured out ... A Russian boy was arrested, who, when the murder occurred, was with his friends at his birthday in Tatarka (a village near Stavropol). He was literally identified "by freckles in a photobot", etc. Need to explain the insanity of the situation? The people rose, passed a "solemn march" along Lenin Street. But the riot police turned out to be on top, they coped with the people. By the way, have you heard much about this case? And the boy was released "for lack of proof."
    3. Mairos
      Mairos 21 May 2013 13: 23 New
      +3
      Damn, and who should unite us? good uncle? WHO CAUCASUS UNITES? They organize themselves! Yourself !! So the Russians will learn so ... when they become a minority, I'm afraid. ((To hope that the state will do something in this regard is not worth it, most likely.
      A generation should grow up that from childhood will see that for the authorities Russians are just one of many and no more. Therefore, Moses led Jews in the wilderness for 40 years, so that all those who lived in slavery would die. So Russians from those who are accustomed to seeing in the Russian (Soviet) state a defender of their interests and their very existence should leave in due time - there is little sense from our peers, the majority still believe that some kind of power will come that will correct everything. I’m not coming, I'm afraid this will never happen.
      1. sergo0000
        sergo0000 21 May 2013 15: 08 New
        +5
        Mairos
        Here are really golden words! I support your thought and supplement. All power is a priori alien to ordinary people. And I am deeply convinced that people in the government have no nationality. And Hitler killed Jews, borrowed money from them for weapons. And Jews run banks in the twentieth century willingly gave him a loan, knowing what this money goes to! And nationalism and self-identity are the lot of the common people. And ordinary people can deal with this themselves. It was so, and when we understand it, then we will make the authorities hear us!
  • Nevsky
    Nevsky 21 May 2013 07: 39 New
    16
    At all times, the South of Russia was insured by Novorossia (Southeast of Ukraine), I am already silent about Little Russia. Here and there, the mover and migration, and the Caucasian republics looked like such mono-regional centers, now they have good weight even on the scale of the whole of the Russian Federation. In addition, the loss of the Cossacks in 1917-1922 also played a role.
    1. omsbon
      omsbon 21 May 2013 08: 36 New
      +7
      Quote: Nevsky
      In addition, the loss of the Cossacks in 1917-1922 also played a role.

      The Cossacks played a very large role in the Stavropol Territory and if there are people who want to revive it, then we need to help them in this entirely.
      I really liked the post of Sergey32, that's right!
      1. Larus
        Larus 21 May 2013 12: 46 New
        +5
        With this power, the Russian Cossacks will not be allowed to revive, because this will lead to conflicts on the borders with the republics, it will be rebuffed to. In the meantime, chock is moving chocks in Russian villages and Russians moving further inland.
    2. Mite27
      Mite27 21 May 2013 12: 07 New
      +1
      Just Little Russia is the southeast of Ukraine, and New Russia is the Krasnodar Territory.
  • Dima190579
    Dima190579 21 May 2013 07: 39 New
    +3
    A very complex and painful topic raised in the article reflects the global trend.
  • Yozhas
    Yozhas 21 May 2013 07: 39 New
    26
    The author is 100% right and there is nothing to be offended here. If we ourselves Russians are not aware of this problem, then in 5-10 years, either the scenario of Yugoslavia or Syria awaits. But the state must take the necessary measures. If you can call it that, now it’s the second stage of the Cold War — to destroy the country from the inside.
    Somewhere in some sources I read that now a program is being carried out by the West to settle people from Central Asia on the Volga region in the Urals. Mostly young and non-family people who have nothing to lose. Goal 1 to introduce civil strife in the country. 2nd during the riots in the Urals, especially to introduce UN troops thereby separating the European part from Siberia, and this is oil and gas, etc. With everything from here arising.
    As the former prime minister of Yugoslavia said: While we were wiping our trousers in parliament, Albanian women gave birth and raised children, but we did nothing.
    1. Mairos
      Mairos 21 May 2013 13: 27 New
      +7
      The state does not care what peoples inhabit the territory. Loyalty of power and economic efficiency are important to him. It has long wanted to spit on ideology and does not have any internal guidelines for saving Russians from extinction and crowding out.
      It’s time for us to start taking care of ourselves.
  • Onotollah
    Onotollah 21 May 2013 07: 41 New
    28
    I would like to note that the problem of the expansion of Islam takes place not only in the North Caucasus, but throughout Russia.
    An unlimited turbid flow of uneducated migrants from neighboring countries is more and more reminiscent of an infection.
    The rotten practice of multiculturalism is beginning to bear fruit.
    Until the state-forming (?) Role of the Russian people is legislated and supported and strengthened in every way, the mess will continue.
    1. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel 21 May 2013 09: 28 New
      18
      And do not make differences in benefits on a national basis. It’s not good to pay social pensions to the same gypsies - drug distributors, pickpockets and social parasites in general at all times
      1. Uncle
        Uncle 21 May 2013 12: 43 New
        -10
        Quote: Black Colonel
        Do not dick social pensions accrue to the same gypsies

        So we get to racism ...
        1. Rustiger
          Rustiger 21 May 2013 16: 21 New
          12
          Quote: Uncle
          So we get to racism ...

          "To each according to his needs, from each according to his abilities / utilities"
          Is it now also a racist slogan? Then I'm racist!
          Quote: Black Colonel
          It’s not good to pay social pensions to the same gypsies - drug distributors, pickpockets and social parasites in general at all times

          To drug baron - to roll gerych instead of insulin,
          Taju, who brought a couple of half and a half nasvay - to feed once instead of pilaf,
          To a Caucasian, who was "messing around" in the metro - three years of daily dancing in the ensemble "Birch" or in the troupe of N. Babkina.
          1. Kaa
            Kaa 21 May 2013 16: 35 New
            +3
            Quote: Rustiger
            three years of daily dancing in the ensemble "Birch or in the troupe of N. Babkina.
            SMILE. PRESENTED. I did not envy.
            1. Rustiger
              Rustiger 21 May 2013 22: 45 New
              0
              Quote: Kaa
              . PRESENTED. I did not envy.

              Yes, I myself “got into a fright” when I read what I wrote. belay
              I wanted to trample, but late. He “consoled himself” by the fact that he figured it better that way, because there, after all, in these “ansam. Fucks” under a hundred “talents” they are grimacing. So somewhere you can get dirty. But the balleruns in the "Big" or "Mariinsky" is not a ride. Immediately torn / stretched like silicone. That’s where the GORGE! wassat
              By the way -
              kaa

              WE HEAR YOU, WISE KAA!

              bandarlogs
  • pinecone
    pinecone 21 May 2013 07: 51 New
    +5
    The inclusion of the Stavropol Territory together with national territorial entities in one federal district, as a matter of fact the whole idea with the creation of such districts, is an integral part of a set of measures aimed at decentralization and weakening of state power.
    1. Larus
      Larus 21 May 2013 12: 49 New
      +5
      It is time to abandon national republics altogether and introduce the regional structure of subjects in Russia.
  • evgenii67
    evgenii67 21 May 2013 07: 52 New
    +6
    Hello everyone! A big, painful topic. Perhaps this is a problem of a large nation, but in general the whole thing is in education. Russian-at the moment, this is not brother for brother, but rather brother to brother.
  • DEDUCHKA
    DEDUCHKA 21 May 2013 07: 54 New
    +9
    This is a serious problem on the scale of the Russian Federation, and it is necessary to solve it by the adopted program at the federal level. There are ethnic clashes already in Tyumen. The Stavropol Territory may have already lost. It is as clear as God's day. And the question is - who benefits from this? Radical Islamism is a global threat, all these revolutions in the Middle East, will Russia allow such a thing at home? Wake up, gentlemen, rulers and deputies!
    1. Uncle
      Uncle 21 May 2013 12: 45 New
      +4
      Quote: DEDUCHKA
      Wake up, gentlemen, rulers and deputies!

      Yes, they do not sleep, this shnyaga is artificial! The goal is a civil war on religious grounds!
    2. folds
      folds 21 May 2013 12: 47 New
      +4
      They do not sleep, just until you unfasten your percentile from everything that passes through you - there is no time to engage in the country, and there is no need, the main thing is to grab onto time to merge.
  • Yozhas
    Yozhas 21 May 2013 07: 59 New
    +5
    Quote: DEDUCHKA
    ..... all these revolutions in the Middle East, can Russia allow such a thing at home? Wake up, gentlemen, rulers and deputies!


    That's why we now support Syria in order to suppress all this g .... I will give because following Syria will be the Caucasus again.
  • bubla5
    bubla5 21 May 2013 08: 04 New
    +6
    It’s someone’s purposeful policy of squeezing out the local population, not only Russian, from the originally populated places, they themselves have chosen such rulers, so they themselves need to be changed, otherwise it will continue, the country is big
  • kNow
    kNow 21 May 2013 08: 09 New
    21
    1. Introduction of a uniform school uniform.
    2. Criminal punishment of parents for not allowing children to school (or enormous monetary fines)
    3. Creating your own pro-Russian school (or current) of Islam.
    4. In all mosques to put their people.
    5. Prohibit all religious gatherings in homes.
    6. Create your own religious television channel.
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 21 May 2013 08: 30 New
      10
      Quote: kNow
      3. Creating your own pro-Russian school (or current) of Islam.

      not a pro-Russian, but a normal religious university!
      Where to invite famous scientists to teach !!
      Raise the rating of this university in the world !!
      Quote: kNow
      4. In all mosques to put their people.

      their people ??? what will it give if they are illiterate?
      Quote: kNow
      5. Prohibit all religious gatherings in homes.
      behind the scenes!
      1. kNow
        kNow 21 May 2013 08: 56 New
        10
        Quote: Yarbay
        not a pro-Russian, but a normal religious university!

        each country should have its own pro-state movement in traditional religions, without distortion
        Quote: Yarbay
        their people ??? what will it give if they are illiterate?

        meaning - graduated from religious schools in the country
        Quote: Yarbay
        behind the scenes!

        it had to be done at the beginning, now it remains only to prohibit.
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 21 May 2013 09: 34 New
          +3
          Quote: kNow
          it had to be done at the beginning, now it remains only to prohibit.

          But how can this be suppressed ??
          For a simple layman who is not familiar with Islam, the same funeral or mourning gatherings will be perceived as gatherings!
          If you remember recently in Moscow a group of people gathered at a mourning event were detained in Moscow, they thought a gathering of authorities!
      2. DeerIvanovich
        DeerIvanovich 21 May 2013 19: 09 New
        0
        Quote: Yarbay
        behind the scenes!

        what to do? laughing
    2. Egoza
      Egoza 21 May 2013 11: 21 New
      +7
      Quote: kNow
      The introduction of a single school uniform.

      It is necessary! But also emphasize that any church (religion) is separate from education. Demonstrating one's religious commitment is a violation of the school charter. Nobody wears a cross on top of a uniform! If you make a complaint about the length of the skirts - so mini skirts have nothing to do with religion. Moreover, with the introduction of a single form, they will disappear.
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 21 May 2013 12: 01 New
        +3
        Quote: Egoza
        It is necessary! But also emphasize that any church (religion) is separate from education. Demonstrating religious commitment violates school charter


        Totally agree!
        1. Hleb
          Hleb 21 May 2013 12: 27 New
          +3
          I would add
      2. Uncle
        Uncle 21 May 2013 12: 50 New
        +4
        Quote: Egoza
        But also emphasize that any church (religion) is separate from education.

        This is what is bad if the girl goes in a handkerchief? A woman should cover her head, this is normal. And if Muslims want to see their children dressed according to their faith, this is also normal. I will tell you frankly that it’s more pleasant for me to see a Muslim woman in a hijab and a long dress than an atheist, Russian by nationality, without a cross, in tattoos, with a protruding ass and so on.
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 21 May 2013 13: 24 New
          +1
          Quote: Uncle
          Quote: Egoza
          But also emphasize that any church (religion) is separate from education.

          This is what is bad if the girl goes in a handkerchief? A woman should cover her head, this is normal. And if Muslims want to see their children dressed according to their faith, this is also normal. I will tell you frankly that it’s more pleasant for me to see a Muslim woman in a hijab and a long dress than an atheist, Russian by nationality, without a cross, in tattoos, with a protruding ass and so on.

          Well, right now, the West is in fashion. Walking closed is not a trend. And naked, yes, please, this is more moral than a scarf on your head.
          1. Uncle
            Uncle 21 May 2013 13: 29 New
            +1
            Quote: Yeraz
            And naked, yes, please, this is more moral than a headscarf.

            Are you ironic? Are you not a Muslim, but a secular person? Then it is clear?
            1. Yeraz
              Yeraz 21 May 2013 14: 53 New
              +4
              Quote: Uncle
              Are you ironic?

              Of course I’m ironic))
              Quote: Uncle
              Are you not a Muslim, but a secular person?

              the muslim is normal.
              It’s more pleasant for me to see a Russian girl dressed up decently around me. For 2 years, I’ve studied the whole collection of modern brands of underwear at school because 2 CHIKI classmates with almost bare ass were sitting in front of me.
              But seriously, firstly, a handkerchief is beautiful for me. Secondly, damn it right now, summer, looking at all this miracle around, I begin to understand some rapists wink
              1. Uncle
                Uncle 21 May 2013 15: 56 New
                +2
                Quote: Yeraz
                I'm starting to understand some rapists

                Here! Right! I agree! Cats, their mother is like that.
                1. Yeraz
                  Yeraz 21 May 2013 18: 43 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Uncle
                  Quote: Yeraz
                  I'm starting to understand some rapists

                  Here! Right! I agree! Cats, their mother is like that.

                  drinks
              2. Mairos
                Mairos 21 May 2013 17: 05 New
                +2
                The trouble .. if the look of lightly dressed girls makes you understand rapists. This means that your animal, sorry, dominates the human.
                Another thing is that not all teles are worth demonstrating. But this is a matter of taste (one must understand that fat legs and a sagging stomach do not look) and feelings of proportion. And to wrap everything except the face only because it should be so ... Well, this is the level of stupidity is simple. All clothes are appropriate for their time. Wearing a turban or hat in Moscow in the summer is complete absurdity, be it at least three times a national costume. But to fight with each other because of this is stupidity. Who wants to, let him wear a hat in summer, and who wants to wear shorts.
                1. xetai9977
                  xetai9977 21 May 2013 18: 36 New
                  +6
                  mayros trouble if the look is lightly dressed .....
                  The kind of lightly dressed beauties whom you want to seduce. This is normal INSTINCT. The problem is when you look and feel nothing !! laughing
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 21 May 2013 19: 02 New
                    +1
                    The problem is when you yourself go about instincts, or you justify the animals that do it
                  2. Yeraz
                    Yeraz 21 May 2013 19: 02 New
                    +3
                    Quote: xetai9977
                    The problem is when you look and feel nothing !! laughing

                    bully
                2. Yeraz
                  Yeraz 21 May 2013 19: 08 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Mairos
                  The trouble .. if the look of lightly dressed girls makes you understand rapists. This means that your animal, sorry, dominates the human.

                  And what should cause? This is physiology. When the mountains outside and behind are all for show, if you don’t want, YOU WANT)))
                  Therefore, I understand these migrants who are at construction sites without this and going out see it. If I have such a reaction, then these hungry people are many times worse.
                  I laughed for a very long time I advise you to find a program on the Internet about migrant rapists and there was an aunt of about 50 years old, but a pretty one with a sister came in and one of them raped a Tajik, then this story and suddenly declares this sweaty black smelly one, okay IF IT'S ALSO OUR RUSSIAN! ! So the whole shalt simply died down, i.e. the person turns out to be worried not by the fact itself, but by the process, so to speak)))
                  1. OTAKE
                    OTAKE 22 May 2013 05: 35 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Yeraz
                    And what should cause? This is physiology. When the mountains outside and behind are all for show, if you don’t want, YOU WANT)))
                    Therefore, I understand these migrants who are at construction sites without this and going out see it. If I have such a reaction, then these hungry people are many times worse.

                    Migrants just need to show a couple of feature films with Sasha Gray, and there will be no problems :) by the way, she is right now in Russia, riding a Lada

                    I laughed for a very long time I advise you to find a program on the Internet about migrant rapists and there was an aunt of about 50 years old, but a pretty one with a sister came in and one of them raped a Tajik, then this story and suddenly declares this sweaty black smelly one, okay IF IT'S ALSO OUR RUSSIAN! ! So the whole shalt simply died down, i.e. the person turns out to be worried not by the fact itself, but by the process, so to speak)))

                    it’s clear that only the process will be interested in 50) And so if, in essence, from school, I remember that the ladies from the seventh-eighth grade already had an active sex life (and dressed accordingly), BUT! in parallel there were girls and from Muslim families, most of them dressed too, far from modestly, I would even say very defiantly, but I haven’t heard anything about them, because you don’t just behave like that, because in my opinion it is important how to dress from an early age, it is important the mental health of others, and the head of the girl herself to work adequately. And this is mostly a problem.
                    1. Yeraz
                      Yeraz 22 May 2013 14: 35 New
                      +1
                      Quote: OTAKE
                      Migrants just need to show a couple of feature films with Sasha Gray, and there will be no problems :)

                      It will get worse, by the way, it's nothing.
                      Quote: OTAKE
                      it’s clear that only the process will be interested in 50) And so if, in essence, from school, I remember that the ladies from the seventh-eighth grade already had an active sex life (and dressed accordingly), BUT! in parallel there were girls and from Muslim families, most of them dressed too, far from modestly, I would even say very defiantly, but I haven’t heard anything about them, because you don’t just behave like that, because in my opinion it is important how to dress from an early age, it is important the mental health of others, and the head of the girl herself to work adequately. And this is mostly a problem.

                      Well, it’s clear that clothes do not say everything about you 100 percent. But if a Muslim woman is defiantly dressed, no matter how tough she is, the association will be different anyway. And in the Muslim environment, I know perfectly well who is who at least 10 layers of a scarf, It’s not a problem to find out in Russia at all. We had one of our modestly dressed at the university, but she loved to flirt with everyone and somehow started to go into our faculty and flirt with Tajiks, well, one of ours stupidly grabbed her by the hair and dragged her on the floor and brought her out from the faculty. The girl after that did not appear at the university, although she was an excellent student. The trick is that in addition to clothes there is a demeanor, and she behaved incorrectly. And it will not be worse to call a brother and dad)
                      1. OTAKE
                        OTAKE 23 May 2013 05: 45 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Yeraz
                        It will get worse, by the way, it's nothing.

                        Sasha - Goddess! ) lol this is what a decent lady should look like.)


                        Well, it’s clear that clothes do not say everything about you 100 percent. But if a Muslim woman is defiantly dressed, no matter how tough she is, the association will be different anyway. And in the Muslim environment, I know perfectly well who is who at least 10 layers of a scarf, It’s not a problem to find out in Russia at all. We had one of our modestly dressed at the university, but she loved to flirt with everyone and somehow started to go into our faculty and flirt with Tajiks, well, one of ours stupidly grabbed her by the hair and dragged her on the floor and brought her out from the faculty. The girl after that did not appear at the university, although she was an excellent student. The trick is that in addition to clothes there is a demeanor, and she behaved incorrectly. And it will not be worse to call a brother and dad)

                        I don’t argue, clothes are certainly not the last resort in determining who is who, but I’m somehow already used to the so-called “vulgar” clothes of the female half, it’s 9 months a year here, and ladies go for the most part of the year wrapped in down jackets like penguins and in the summer, everyone wants to hang out saying they have some parts of the body who have lost weight, and who have grown, and so on, in general, want to show off)
        2. Yarbay
          Yarbay 21 May 2013 13: 29 New
          +7
          Quote: Uncle
          This is what is bad if the girl goes in a handkerchief?

          nothing bad!!
          But going to school is probably wrong !!
          I think it’s possible, as in Turkey, separate schools for those who want to go to the lesson with scarves to open, religious!
          1. Uncle
            Uncle 21 May 2013 13: 37 New
            +1
            Today, the girl will not be able to put on a handkerchief to school, and tomorrow they will make the cross appear. And personality formation has been going on since childhood, if a girl knows, knows well, I am a Christian (Muslim, Jewish), she has an internal “core”, character. She has examples of behavior from her family and environment, she will grow up to be a decent woman, a mother, she will have those numerous children whom forum users advocate. And if the child grows like field grass, mother walks, father drinks, well, which of this girl will grow up? Well, for what is her family, children?
            1. Larus
              Larus 21 May 2013 13: 48 New
              +1
              Therefore, it is likely that many Russian women change their religion under their husbands (mostly they become Muslims), that from childhood they did not lead to God.
            2. Hleb
              Hleb 21 May 2013 14: 16 New
              11
              that you’re all from one extreme to another. who haven’t met decent people who are not religious? Children are naked and with tattoos, then Mommy is drinking. Papana ... there’s a pattern that’s right. She should cover her head and that’s great! If not baptized, it’s not decent. without a rod?
              or drooping drunks did not see with a cross on his chest?
              1. VADIMKRSK
                VADIMKRSK 21 May 2013 20: 56 New
                +2
                I am an atheist. My wife and children are baptized and go to church. Sometimes ... For me, religion is politics, control of the masses.
            3. Ivan.
              Ivan. 21 May 2013 15: 21 New
              +5
              Quote: Uncle
              Today, the girl will not be able to put on a handkerchief to school, and tomorrow they will force the cross to take off

              I think that in cases of Muslim hijabs and the ban on Indian sannyasins not to look at women and not to look above a certain level has one roots - this is the suppression of one's sexuality in order to avoid problems. Maybe there was some sense in it (not sure), but now it’s clear that this is the road to nowhere, it only contributes to sexual fantasies and perversions due to the suppression and ignoring of one’s nature. Regarding wearing scarves: women traditionally let go of long hair and the scarf has always been the easiest way to style them (I do not claim that this is the only truth in the last resort) and therefore I consider this contrived problem in the same vein as in the Middle Ages how many angels argue fits on the tip of the needle. Suppression as well as licentiousness are extremes - evil. Giving your precious attention to nonsense and not spirituality transforming our beings in the direction of the world is a wasted life. Traditions are dead without understanding their essence, moreover, if external conditions change and they should change because they become obsolete.
              1. Uncle
                Uncle 21 May 2013 16: 04 New
                -5
                Quote: Ivan.
                crushing and ignoring your nature

                And you do not suppress your nature? You live by the principle: I drink, everything that burns and I have everything that moves? It is the control of nature that man is different from the animal.
                Quote: Ivan.
                Giving your precious attention to nonsense and not spirituality
                Form, this is not nonsense. Form speaks of content, form changes content. Remember the army: Stoy disciplines. This is how the external influences the internal.
                Quote: Ivan.
                Traditions are dead without understanding their essence, moreover, if external conditions change and they should change

                The Orthodox rite of worship has not changed much for 1000 years, only aspects of the translation of the service. So the spiritual sphere has no place for new trends.
                1. Hleb
                  Hleb 21 May 2013 16: 53 New
                  +4
                  The Orthodox rite of worship has not changed much for 1000 years

                  and double-fingered? bowing? walking in the sun? for which RUSSIAN people were persecuted and punished? burning? and how are rituals and sacraments held today? Has it not changed so much?
                  (The rest does not make sense to comment)
                2. Hleb
                  Hleb 21 May 2013 17: 09 New
                  +3
                  here is an analogue of your thoughts. and you say that for a thousand years nothing has changed ..
                  he also trades
                  1. ramzes1776
                    ramzes1776 21 May 2013 23: 19 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Gleb
                    here is an analogue of your thoughts. and you say that for a thousand years nothing has changed ..
                    he also trades

                    With such a belly, probably all posts "from and to" comply smile
                  2. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 22 May 2013 07: 11 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Gleb
                    here is an analogue of your thoughts. and you say that for a thousand years nothing has changed ..
                    he also trades

                    I watched several videos from his interview!
                    He is prone to sarcasm and loves to irony!
                    If he is serious, then ......
          2. Yeraz
            Yeraz 21 May 2013 15: 07 New
            +2
            Quote: Yarbay
            But going to school is probably wrong !!

            I do not agree with you. The representative of mine formation in Baku also believed until his face was cleaned in the school yard.
            Hah, please do not understand this by a hint in your direction)))
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 21 May 2013 15: 44 New
              +3
              Quote: Yeraz
              I do not agree with you. The representative of mine formation in Baku also believed until his face was cleaned in the school yard.
              Hah, please do not understand this by a hint in your direction)))

              The first time I hear from you that they filled it))))))))))
              but what did he change his mind ??
              we are not allowed to go to school in headscarves and I think this is correct!

              if you allow scarves, then you don’t need to measure it and girls should
              to teach separately from boys !!
              Children at school should not differ in dress!
              They may feel weighed down!
              for example, a girl from an irreligious family, having seen a friend who dresses so much, also wants to put on a scarf, and her parents drink it!
              This means a conflict in the family, for an immature child - an injury!
              I brought one of hundreds of possible problems!
              My relative went to Turkey because of this problem and there he gave children to a religious school, where boys and girls study separately and shawls are allowed !!
              I want to add that I am a believer!
              1. Yeraz
                Yeraz 21 May 2013 15: 52 New
                +2
                Quote: Yarbay
                Quote: Yeraz
                I do not agree with you. The representative of mine formation in Baku also believed until his face was cleaned in the school yard.
                Hah, please do not understand this by a hint in your direction)))

                The first time I hear from you that they filled it))))))))))
                but what did he change his mind ??
                we are not allowed to go to school in headscarves and I think this is correct!
                if you allow scarves, then you don’t need to measure it and girls should
                to teach separately from boys !!
                Children at school should not differ in dress!
                They may feel weighed down!
                for example, a girl from an irreligious family, having seen a friend who dresses so much, also wants to put on a scarf, and her parents drink it!
                This means a conflict in the family, for an immature child - an injury!
                I brought one of hundreds of possible problems!
                My relative went to Turkey because of this problem and there he gave children to a religious school, where boys and girls study separately and shawls are allowed !!

                So you didn’t hear about the story about this mine worker or didn’t you hear that he was beaten?
                So, it is not worth making simultaneous conclusions about the ban and resolution of hijab in different countries, there is a specificity everywhere, but in Baku it was wrong, because you yourself live and know very well the tiny number of children wore scarves, and with the ban they created more tension if would not start this topic musirov
                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 21 May 2013 16: 08 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Yeraz
                  So you didn’t hear about the story about this mine worker or didn’t you hear that he was beaten?

                  I have not heard the story!
                  Probably not advertised!
                  And I first read, or rather thought about the minister you wrote!
                  1. Yeraz
                    Yeraz 21 May 2013 18: 25 New
                    +4
                    Quote: Yarbay
                    I have not heard the story!
                    Probably not advertised!
                    And I first read, or rather thought about the minister you wrote!

                    So they wrote about it. A check came from the Ministry of Education and in the 11th grade they saw a girl in a scarf. This man said that she took off her scarf, which she said no and he said yuz isden cixirlar sonra bas baqlayirlar. Well after these words in the school yard her classmate otfigachili him. Toward but it seems like the new minister also came to this school, but it was already said that everything was different they say, this one just wanted to take the crib she hid under her clothes and when she refused he blurted out if we need to take off our clothes so that everyone sees the cheat sheet and this word infuriated everything in the class. But knowing our officials, I believe in the first version for no reason they beat an official in Baku, especially the whole class.
        3. Ivan.
          Ivan. 21 May 2013 13: 46 New
          +7
          Quote: Uncle
          A woman should cover her head, this is normal.

          The word SHOULD be at least not appropriate here.
          Quote: Uncle
          I will tell you frankly that it’s more pleasant for me to see a Muslim woman in a hijab and a long dress than an atheist, Russian by nationality, without a cross, in tattoos, with a protruding ass and so on.

          And it’s equally unpleasant for me to see this, since these are two opposite extremes and both are very dangerous (albeit in different ways), both have blossomed right now and I affirm that the “gardener” irrigating these extremes is the same.
          1. Larus
            Larus 21 May 2013 13: 57 New
            +1
            You’ve seen photographs of Russian women before the beginning of the 20th century, how they are dressed and what they are wearing, our Orthodox women. I do not mean the city’s rich imitators of the West, who then also had a lot, but the bounds of decency remained.
          2. Uncle
            Uncle 21 May 2013 14: 00 New
            0
            Quote: Ivan.
            I affirm that the "gardener" irrigating these extremes is the same.

            The gardener sowing evil has always been one - horned. I don’t know about his earthly followers.
            Quote: Ivan.
            two opposite extremes

            I agree, this is my pain too.
          3. Yarbay
            Yarbay 21 May 2013 15: 45 New
            +1
            Quote: Ivan.
            The word SHOULD be at least not appropriate here.


            The man is right !!
            The believer must!
            this applies to both Christian and Muslim!
            1. Ivan.
              Ivan. 21 May 2013 16: 44 New
              0
              Quote: Egoza
              It is necessary! But also emphasize that any church (religion) is separate from education. Demonstrating one's religious commitment is a violation of the school charter. Nobody wears a cross on top of a uniform! If you make a complaint about the length of the skirts - so mini skirts have nothing to do with religion. Moreover, with the introduction of a single form, they will disappear.

              Quote: Yarbay
              Totally agree!

              Uncle (1) Today, 12:50 ↑
              Quote: Egoza
              But also emphasize that any church (religion) is separate from education.

              This is what is bad if the girl goes in a handkerchief? A woman should cover her head, this is normal. And if Muslims want to see their children dressed according to their faith, this is also normal. I will tell you frankly that it’s more pleasant for me to see a Muslim woman in a hijab and a long dress than an atheist, Russian by nationality, without a cross, in tattoos, with a protruding ass and so on.

              Ivan Today, 13:46 ↑
              Quote: Uncle
              A woman should cover her head, this is normal.
              The word SHOULD be at least not appropriate here.
              Quote: Yarbay
              The man is right !!
              The believer must!
              this applies to both Christian and Muslim!

              If we blindly pull quotes from each other, we can not understand each other.
        4. xetai9977
          xetai9977 21 May 2013 16: 16 New
          +7
          I don’t understand why this school uniform cannot be acceptable for ALL? that is, normal, modest, just below the knees. And then you really meet another "schoolgirl", you can see the panties. To avoid rushing from one extreme to another, enter a normal, modest form.
        5. Best novel
          Best novel 21 May 2013 17: 22 New
          0
          To cover from what? What kind of sins can she commit with her head uncovered in the summer in the heat? If she (probably like you) has a headache, then yes. And if she is beautiful, she’s clean (they’re probably hiding because of water shortages) and shampoo) hair — and it is more pleasant and easier for her, and pleases the eye. And even though I’m 44 and seeing a hijab, etc., “Muslim relics,” I think one thing: what the poor woman was brought to. hand.
          1. smsk
            smsk 21 May 2013 22: 27 New
            +1
            It’s not at all clear why all of a sudden hit these hijabs? After all, this is not the traditional clothing of the Muslim women of our region. It is typical of the hot climates of the Middle East and Africa. Literally 10 years ago there was no talk about this. Everything was specially brought to us in order to drive a wedge between Christians and Muslims even more. Do not be fooled by this, Russia is a secular country and must separate religion from the state. I think that scarves should be allowed, it looks very good on both Christians and Muslim women.
          2. OTAKE
            OTAKE 22 May 2013 05: 53 New
            +1
            Quote: Roman Best
            I think one thing: what the poor woman was brought to. The sticking ass and stuff are much nicer to the eye and hand.

            and I read your comment, I think one thing, to which they brought the poor man, they stick out with a sticking ass at 44, and they also encourage ananism! uhosh!
  • individual
    individual 21 May 2013 08: 11 New
    +6
    The problem raised by the author is very relevant.
    Aggressive Islamic expansion into the North Caucasus causes concern for local residents. Along with the natural increase in the Muslim population of Russia and the failure of the demography of the Russian ethnic group, there is work directed by foreign special services (Saudi Arabia, Qatar, etc.) to tear off the original Muslim creed in radical forms. And the Turkish special services involve their co-religionists in the zone of their Turkish influence and separation from Russian interests.
    "Surgical" intervention does not solve this problem. Legislation should be the lever to influence the correction of the situation; there is no place for tolerance and the principle of double interpretation in the law. The propaganda of internationalism in the region is completely in failure. Adherents of Islam come aggressive, close-knit, armed with the laws of the mountains, and dictate their will to civilian plain inhabitants.
    Opposition can only be moderately aggressive, tough LAW adopted not secretly by the State Duma, but up to a referendum and popular discussion.
    1. Skiff
      Skiff 21 May 2013 09: 46 New
      +8
      The problem raised by the author is very relevant.
      Aggressive Islamic expansion

      Yes, in my opinion we are vegetables, but not aggressive.
      1. Ivan.
        Ivan. 21 May 2013 13: 51 New
        +3
        On the one hand, when you are constantly being beaten by the hand, you become a “vegetable”; on the other, their aggression is cultivated from abroad as part of the policy of achieving globalization.
  • goody
    goody 21 May 2013 08: 21 New
    +4
    [quote = DEDUCHKA] And the question is - who benefits from this? / quote] But this is the right question, which the leaders of the country to ask now, and take action. Otherwise, all favorable regions will be populated by immigrants. Have you seen that these natives would work in factories? What will they do then ???
  • evgeni21
    evgeni21 21 May 2013 08: 22 New
    +3
    Already have to wake up. There are possible kaak scenarios in Syria. They will finish off as in Chechnya in 91-93. They are so bor ..... t in Moscow and in other cities, our tops do not see this from their offices.
  • fzr1000
    fzr1000 21 May 2013 08: 27 New
    +6
    What prevents stopping the expansion of radical Islam in the regions of Russia (on the example of the North Caucasus Federal District)?


    Answer: Political impotent people (and maybe not only political ones), traitors and cowards in the Government.
  • Pavlov A.E.
    Pavlov A.E. 21 May 2013 08: 33 New
    +1
    Quote: Nevsky
    At all times, the South of Russia was insured by Novorossia (Southeast of Ukraine), I am already silent about Little Russia. Here and there, the mover and migration, and the Caucasian republics looked like such mono-regional centers, now they have good weight even on the scale of the whole of the Russian Federation. In addition, the loss of the Cossacks in 1917-1922 also played a role.

    It is necessary to strengthen the Cossacks to make the law and resettle in the Caucasus as a border service to settle in villages to give benefits and land the way they work and protect, only clans and clowns in uniform are needed.
  • borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 21 May 2013 08: 34 New
    10
    from the Don.
    Hope for the state again! It’s time to understand, WE ARE STATE ON DRUM! In 90, we had a circle of yurt, and I accidentally heard a conversation where the head of the settlement, selling a residence permit to the Armenians, said: I don’t care! My son can’t live here will be. I bought an apartment in Moscow:. It’s their fault that we allow such monsters to power. Everyone knows about it and is silent. Plus, Russians are to blame for all the conflicts. We spread rot themselves. So the picture is menacing.
  • zambo
    zambo 21 May 2013 08: 37 New
    +9
    Himself from Stavropol. The problem has existed for 8-10 for years. In Stavropol (the city of students), constant fights and provocations by visitors, often stabbing. Cavminvody in "black" color. 70% of youth are leaving. In the eastern regions of the Russian region, there is less and less ...
    And only now they started talking about it on the central TV channel. Who has the brains and opportunities - procures hunting weapons. Our Cossacks are not supported by the authorities, as in the Krasnodar Territory. In general, we are sitting on a powder keg and waiting for a roasted rooster ...
    1. adg76
      adg76 21 May 2013 09: 48 New
      +7
      Quote: zamboy
      Who has the brains and opportunities - procures hunting weapons. Our Cossacks are not supported by the authorities, as in the Krasnodar Territory. In general, we are sitting on a powder keg and waiting for a roasted rooster

      I live in the Moscow region.
      So we have the same growing number of hunters. And all this is not just. Apparently the active part of the population began to think about protecting their home. If the authorities do not sharply change their attitude towards migration problems from the Caucasus, sooner or later a “crystal night” will come for Caucasians. Blaze so that little seems. And blame the locals ...
      1. Ashibokov57
        Ashibokov57 21 May 2013 11: 27 New
        -8
        If it burns, there will be no one to blame. And all because of racists like you.
        1. rereture
          rereture 21 May 2013 12: 52 New
          +9
          Aren't they racists? many do not hide their hatred of the Russians.
    2. Uncle
      Uncle 21 May 2013 12: 54 New
      0
      Quote: zamboy
      Our Cossacks are not supported by the authorities

      Here, without state. support, without the legitimacy of actions, we will not go far. Legal Cossacks, legal patrols, legal weapons. Here is how to achieve this, I don’t know.
  • Pavlov A.E.
    Pavlov A.E. 21 May 2013 08: 46 New
    +7
    Quote: zamboy
    Himself from Stavropol. The problem has existed for 8-10 for years. In Stavropol (the city of students), constant fights and provocations by visitors, often stabbing. Cavminvody in "black" color. 70% of youth are leaving. In the eastern regions of the Russian region, there is less and less ...
    And only now they started talking about it on the central TV channel. Who has the brains and opportunities - procures hunting weapons. Our Cossacks are not supported by the authorities, as in the Krasnodar Territory. In general, we are sitting on a powder keg and waiting for a roasted rooster ...
    In the Cossacks, a complete split in the state is not profitable to have a fifth column, so there is no hope they will support the Caucasus but not the Cossacks.
  • go_by
    go_by 21 May 2013 08: 51 New
    +7
    The spread of Islam in Russia is a way to divide the country into parts. The more mosques, the smaller the territory will remain Russian in the future, the more the caliphate will get. To blame some bad Wahhabis, as opposed to good traditional Muslims, is only a very stupid, or well-paid, person paid by the West. Finally, they allowed me to speak openly about this. But this means that the government itself is not able to cope with the problem that it generated.
    1. Uncle
      Uncle 21 May 2013 12: 56 New
      +1
      Quote: go_by
      The more mosques, the smaller the territory will remain Russian

      And you build churches! And go to them! Or will I walk alone for all?
      1. go_by
        go_by 21 May 2013 13: 18 New
        +3
        We are building. Only the church is not the place to hide. This is not a bunker. Short dashes from temple to temple will not save the state from dismemberment on the basis of national religious grounds.
        1. Uncle
          Uncle 21 May 2013 13: 39 New
          -4
          Quote: go_by
          Only the church is not the place to hide.

          The church is the place where prayer is offered to God. And the Church, better than any weapon will protect Russia.
          1. Ivan.
            Ivan. 21 May 2013 15: 33 New
            +5
            Quote: Uncle
            The church is the place where prayer is offered to God

            The human body is the temple of God, and prayers are offered only in this temple in the core of our soul, not separated from God, and only from this temple the wordless and non-begging prayer reaches the addressee. External temples (houses made of wood and stone) are “crutches” for the weak in spirit and (unfortunately) a place of explication of “religious feelings”. And even some priests have the audacity to prohibit appeals to God through their heads directly.
          2. go_by
            go_by 21 May 2013 15: 35 New
            +2
            Faith without works is a dead thing. Maybe we’ll dissolve the army and the police, will we open the borders? The church building is only bricks. How many temples were there before the revolution? Already to you, as a believer, this should be clear.
            Interesting posts in the topic ...
            http://humus.livejournal.com/3183373.html
            http://humus.livejournal.com/3205975.html
      2. alexander rus.
        alexander rus. 21 May 2013 19: 08 New
        -1
        Yes. You have a "lip is not a fool," however, uncle.
  • medwed1976
    medwed1976 21 May 2013 08: 52 New
    +7
    "The only region of the North Caucasus Federal District, which is not the so-called national republic, is the Stavropol Territory. Stavropol is the most economically developed subject of the North Caucasus Federal District, with a level of gross regional product that is quite modest, based on average indicators throughout Russia, but the level of Stavropol GRP is two or more times higher than similar indicators of the neighboring republics of the district. And according to the classical laws of economics, the better the economy of a territory is developed, the more likely it is that people will appear in this territory who are ready to use relative economic well-being for their own purposes."
    In our region (I myself live in the Stavropol Territory), rumors have been circulating for two or three years that in the near future (after the end of the Sochi Olympics) the region will be liquidated as a subject of the Russian Federation. According to rumors, part of the region will go to Krasnodar Territory, part to Rostov Region, and the eastern regions and the CMS region to the national republics of the North Caucasus Federal District. Of course, I would like to believe that these are just rumors, but when you evaluate the country's domestic policy, you won’t be surprised at anything. Recently, it has only been happening that the "support" of the national republic of the North Caucasus Federal District in exchange for relative calm in the "anti-terrorist" plan. Yes, and the Olympics will soon, but how many workers at the construction sites of the Olympics are from the republics of the North Caucasus Federal District, especially from Dagestan. I’m already silent about the Kavminvod region, in the same place the "Capital" of the North Caucasus Federal District and the "friendly" guys from the national republic behave at home there, although ... they behave like that at home. So wait and see.
    PS And maybe it will be better, at least to those areas where I live, if we join the Krasnodar Territory.
    1. Lakkuchu
      Lakkuchu 21 May 2013 12: 13 New
      +3
      Quote: medwed1976
      Yes, and the Olympics will soon, but how many workers at the construction sites of the Olympics are from the republics of the North Caucasus Federal District, especially from Dagestan.

      You must be mistaken. This cannot be. Dagestanis do not work, especially workers at construction sites. Only Russian poor fellow workers work there. Dagi do not work at all, but they are engaged exclusively in robberies, theft, murders, sharing budget money, and in general you feed us, why should we work. We all live happily ever after, all Behi da Merca, three-story palaces.
    2. AntonR7
      AntonR7 21 May 2013 13: 50 New
      +2
      If these are not rumors about the inclusion of East. ter. in the republic, it can turn out like with Crimea, which moved from the RSFSR to the Ukrainian SSR and how we know how it ended.
  • Buran
    Buran 21 May 2013 08: 59 New
    11
    I noticed that where the expansion of Caucasians or Central Asians exceeds a certain percentage, this settlement turns out to be mildly expressed as a mixture of a toilet, a bazaar and a gang raspberry. I absolutely calmly relate to both armenin, the iserbajan and the tajik. And among those and these, I have friends and acquaintances, those who came here during the Soviet era or in the 90's without fear of EBN reforms. But what rushed now is a complete paragraph ...
  • Yozhas
    Yozhas 21 May 2013 09: 00 New
    +5
    There is only one way out of this problem:
    - introduce a hard visa regime;
    -Put like rabbits;
    - The state should run a program for young people; here's a 3-bedroom apartment; do your duty to grow 3 or more children;
    -Close all wineglasses and spills;
    -To shoot for drug trafficking;
    - To revive the Cossacks in the Caucasus, only they can stop the spread of all this;
    -And evict all evil from the country.
    1. Babon
      Babon 21 May 2013 09: 47 New
      +1
      What is the visa regime against their citizens? The article is written about the peoples of Russia, in general, control must be dealt with, and traditional Muslims themselves, to put it mildly, do not like Wahhabis. Here it is necessary to cooperate and identify with normal people.
  • Yozhas
    Yozhas 21 May 2013 09: 09 New
    +5
    Why did Hitler not like the Jews so ???? Because they were faced with the same problem of the Jewish occupation of the country and, as we are now with Muslim extremism. He suggested that they voluntarily and peacefully pack their things and leave, but as you can see from the story, they didn’t go where they started and began to bend their policies. After this, he began to exterminate them. He fought for the purity of Germany. And for this he can be called a patriot of his country, which in no case does not justify all his crimes.
    Order now all this not honor in our country to voluntarily grin - the 3rd World War will immediately begin. And we are going to this, but unfortunately very slowly. it may be too late. History repeats itself.
  • pahom54
    pahom54 21 May 2013 09: 16 New
    +9
    All this happens against the backdrop of flirting the authorities with .... Caucasian peoples. Just as abreks existed due to raids, practically nothing has changed, only it has taken on new modern forms. Russian (or one who considers himself to be him) must work, and others - to rob him.
    I agree, on the one hand, it is impossible to set a precedent for the separation of Chechnya from Russia. And on the other hand - give free rein, BUT! To fence off all these republics by land, air and sea borders, to ban entry to Russia - let them live on their own !!! But how long without robberies will they last ???
    And as for what the West will begin to howl at the same time as our truth-seekers about violations of some kind of democracy there, I will say one thing: when the United States needs to do something, shit ... and they are of the opinion of others, and Russia has long had to do this.
  • waisson
    waisson 21 May 2013 09: 19 New
    10
    at the word that interferes he was furious did not read comments he recently watched a documentary report. My story An uncle lived in Grozny fled to Stavropol. NOW WHERE TO RUN? Moscow will soon be behind and in front of Kolyma and Magadan where the pro-Orthodox patriarchy and the president look
    1. Normal
      Normal 21 May 2013 11: 14 New
      +5
      Moscow will soon be behind

      Alas, Moscow in this process is ahead of the whole country. In Moscow, the Slavs are already a minority.
    2. Uncle
      Uncle 21 May 2013 12: 59 New
      -3
      Quote: waisson
      where does the Orthodox patriarchy look

      And what claims to it?
    3. AntonR7
      AntonR7 21 May 2013 13: 55 New
      +5
      How to where ?! They look at the Caucasian o .. pu where else to kiss her. If we have already come to the point that Akhmat Kadyrov was erected a monument in Moscow to a man who called for killing as many Russians as possible, to please Chechens the Russian officers Budanov, Khudyakov, Arakcheev are condemned, our roofing power was bent before the enemies of Russia.
      1. alexander rus.
        alexander rus. 21 May 2013 19: 35 New
        +4
        Our power is not Russian since 1917!
    4. alexander rus.
      alexander rus. 21 May 2013 19: 31 New
      +1
      The Orthodox Patriarchate looks in the "donation box".
  • Yozhas
    Yozhas 21 May 2013 09: 21 New
    +5
    Quote: pahom54
    And as for what the West will begin to howl at the same time as our truth-seekers about violations of some kind of democracy there, I will say one thing: when the United States needs to do something, shit ... and they are of the opinion of others, and Russia has long had to do this.


    I completely agree!!!. Fuck ..... these democratic principles. What is DEMOCRACY is the ability to choose and act within the law. Put in jail all the political American prostitutes in our country. For comparison, in our country, citizens have more rights and freedom of action than Americans.
    1. AntonR7
      AntonR7 21 May 2013 13: 59 New
      +2
      Democracy truly is a scam for the people. By the way, Churchill in his memoirs “The World Crisis” said that it would be good if Russia was built on a federal basis with the autonomy of some regions (as we are now observing), such a Russia would be weaker than a single monarchist Russia. Conclusion Only the traditionally Russian autocratic monarchy cares about the preservation and prosperity of the Russian people, since the Christianity and the West destroyed traditional Russia and are still trying to break it.
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 21 May 2013 09: 22 New
    10
    Yes, Russia will swallow all these hordes (as the Mongol-Tatars used to be) .. No wonder they are so afraid of Russification and assimilation on their sites .. time is needed !! The main thing is to remember who we are and not to forget our culture !!! We have explosive blood and we still have all the genes ... (no mosques will save)
    1. Uncle
      Uncle 21 May 2013 13: 02 New
      -3
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Our blood is explosive and the genes are still all shallow.

      This, by the way, is very true. Everyone insists that the Mongols supposedly had us and we are not purely Russian, but some kind of cross. BUT! Have done genetic research and lo and behold! There are almost no genes of Mongols! The gene of "Russianness" squeezed all this shnyaga! We cleaned ourselves! And the reason for this purification lies, oddly enough, in the Orthodox Faith.
      1. baltika-18
        baltika-18 21 May 2013 17: 20 New
        +6
        Quote: Uncle
        Everyone insists that the Mongols supposedly had us and we are not purely Russian, but some kind of cross. BUT! Have done genetic research and lo and behold! There are almost no genes of Mongols! The gene of "Russianness" squeezed all this shnyaga!

        Yes, because there were no Mongols. Is it really not clear?
        1. Larus
          Larus 21 May 2013 17: 23 New
          +6
          That's it, that if there was an IGO, then they came and took tribute, but they didn’t live here. This bike was cultivated by the West in order to show that we are not like them. And rightly so, we are not like that, we are much better than them.
    2. jumpmaster
      jumpmaster 22 May 2013 00: 12 New
      0
      The trouble is that time is gone! The process is almost uncontrollable!
  • rennim
    rennim 21 May 2013 09: 23 New
    +7
    The problem of demography, especially with regard to the Russian people, is multifaceted. And paradoxically, not only changes in the mores and customs of Slavic families played a role in this, but also the Great Patriotic War. The percentage of infertile men and women among Russians is greater than in the Caucasus. In this, the role of hardships and deprivation fell to the lot of Russians. Since the Russians suffered most during the war (In the framework of the current Russian Federation). Excessive labor in the fields and factories, meager food and stress at work played a role. Great psychological and moral trauma. Undoubtedly, all this also played a role. I believe that all this also affects fertility ... Of course, I also do not overlook other social factors ...
  • Yozhas
    Yozhas 21 May 2013 09: 28 New
    +7
    It all started 10 years ago. In Samara, even then this honor did not say, all of you Russians will live in the best case beyond the Volga, and the city will be ours.
    Familiar FSB officers have been reporting to Moscow for several years about taking tough migration measures since the ethnic pi has already arrived ..... This is no longer a matter of democracy - it is a matter of survival and nationality preservation.
    When jihad comes, every Muslim must take a knife and go fight the infidels, whether he wants it or not.
  • adg76
    adg76 21 May 2013 09: 32 New
    +2
    Quote: Onotolle
    Until the state-forming (?) Role of the Russian people is legislated and supported and strengthened in every way, the mess will continue.

    Not only to consolidate, but also from the elementary grades of the school to instill a culture of weapons. Give the opportunity to wear it. And boys and girls! Change the law so that the one who defends himself can use any weapon. And the law did not find out whether self-defense was exceeded or not exceeded, but just who first started. Who started is to blame. And in general, the limit of self-defense, this is nonsense in the current situation. If people came to my village with clubs or knives to sort things out, then while defending my village and the life of the inhabitants, I must have the right to use weapons and be exempted from some concepts of "exceeding self-defense."
    1. folds
      folds 21 May 2013 14: 24 New
      +2
      you have the right to call the police and wait
      1. family
        family tree 21 May 2013 21: 59 New
        +1
        And the police have the right to answer that until they started to kill you (rob, rape, etc.), we cannot intervene, if they start, or already, then call.
        1. folds
          folds 22 May 2013 00: 05 New
          0
          Well, if there is anything and with the help of which - to call the police again, to say that it’s not dangerous anymore, and if the next hangman isn’t stopping them in statistics, you can come and fix the incident.
  • Beil88
    Beil88 21 May 2013 09: 41 New
    12
    Again, the Russians are weak, oppressed and depressed ... They cannot and do not want anything. They do not breed, they do not defend themselves ... How much can you write this nonsense, transferring the blame of state power and local municipalities to ordinary people? There is only an elementary non-compliance with the current legislation of the Russian Federation by the regional and local authorities. For what reason this happens - that’s the question. Either they are bribed, or intimidated, or maybe they just do not want to fulfill their duties? The same illegal mosques - civil law norms are clearly spelled out, prohibiting such structures and prescribing sanctions for such activities. Until the problem was voiced on central television channels, the local leadership did not take up the matter. Hence the conclusion - the fault is not in the Russian people, who just feel their insecurity and vulnerability, because they are law-abiding and regularly pay taxes on the maintenance of the administrative apparatus, but in the very apparatus, which, having all the full power, does nothing. It is necessary to change officials at the federal and municipal levels, and all those guilty are severely punished. There are all the tools and powers for this.
  • Black Colonel
    Black Colonel 21 May 2013 09: 44 New
    +4
    Somehow I accidentally got to http://andrey-cruz.livejournal.com/78247.html. I recommend to view the whole page.
    1. Landwarrior
      Landwarrior 21 May 2013 12: 08 New
      +1
      Yes, Andrey is well done in this regard. Well, it’s easier for him, he still lives behind the hill lol
    2. Raphael_83
      Raphael_83 21 May 2013 19: 52 New
      +2
      Yeah! "A magazine in which nobody is dragged by force," as we know. No, well done man really. I got hooked on his LJ after his books, which I put everything in a collection. I like that in his LiveJournal frankly and without cuts, unpopular problems in power are being discussed.
      1. Landwarrior
        Landwarrior 22 May 2013 08: 10 New
        +1
        Yes, I read and reread it too laughing From his books, you can learn a lot, starting from the complete TTX of certain trunks and ending with tactics.lol
        And in LJ, he usually “cuts with an ax”, not trying to get around the “sharp corners”.
        Well I say well done man good
  • gizz
    gizz 21 May 2013 09: 44 New
    +5
    As long as our president will benefit from the same "support" of his cadres, he will feed him and his entire coodla, and not only with the money of the country, but also with the territory and LIFES of the Russians. Absolute irresponsibility is very provoking, especially them. In Chechnya, Russians were robbed, killed, (savagely killed) by tens of thousands. Has anyone ever been punished for this? Are such cases being investigated? Reaching the court? That's when it starts, then I will believe that the power in the country was taken by a person who is not interested in power and grandmothers but in the people of the country (already, in general, his survival).
  • Pavlov A.E.
    Pavlov A.E. 21 May 2013 09: 50 New
    +2
    Quote: adg76
    Quote: Onotolle
    Until the state-forming (?) Role of the Russian people is legislated and supported and strengthened in every way, the mess will continue.

    Not only to consolidate, but also from the elementary grades of the school to instill a culture of weapons. Give the opportunity to wear it. And boys and girls! Change the law so that the one who defends himself can use any weapon. And the law did not find out whether self-defense was exceeded or not exceeded, but just who first started. Who started is to blame. And in general, the limit of self-defense, this is nonsense in the current situation. If people came to my village with clubs or knives to sort things out, then while defending my village and the life of the inhabitants, I must have the right to use weapons and be exempted from some concepts of "exceeding self-defense."
    This we will not have the power is afraid of their people all banned except pneumatics.
    1. adg76
      adg76 21 May 2013 10: 13 New
      +2
      Obtaining permission to weapons is not so difficult. Join the society of hunters, get a state ticket. sample, further in LRO. (This does not apply to injuries. I have permission, but I do not advise buying. They will put you and not the attacker. This is to talk about exceeding self-defense). But pneumatics in your pocket, let's say softly pampering. In addition to crippling a person, she is no longer good for anything. ITS here it is necessary to prohibit. And for wearing it plant. As well as for carrying a knife in a pocket (and not in a bag) within the boundaries of a settlement. An honest man does not need a knife in his pocket in the city or village. Mushrooms do not grow there.
      1. Babon
        Babon 21 May 2013 13: 00 New
        +1
        I am also against pneumatics, because you can run into a person with a firearm, and in this situation (a few seconds) he will definitely not consider what is in his hand, pneumatics or not.
  • Forest
    Forest 21 May 2013 10: 04 New
    +6
    The Caucasian people froze in a tribal system, it is stronger, but it does not bring any benefit to the state, and quite the contrary it destroys it. And the government is trying to wire two different units and make them work together, maybe they will work, but not for long and in the end we get 2 idle unit.
    And to begin by bringing everyone into equal positions is a ban on all national diasporas.
    1. gizz
      gizz 21 May 2013 10: 13 New
      +5
      Well, you forbid their diasporas, and they will send you and that’s it. It is necessary to revive YOUR Diaspora!
      1. Forest
        Forest 21 May 2013 10: 28 New
        +2
        Yeah, slide into the tribal system and everyone will "pull the blanket over himself"
        No, there are laws and they should work the same for everyone.
        And who does not agree, to force.
  • gizz
    gizz 21 May 2013 10: 09 New
    +4
    I wrote the previous comment without looking at the state of emergency link. Yes, indeed, they are riding on the neck because we are carrying: officials and Caucasians and oligarchs and other free-standing hamsters. Maybe the truth is, it's time to remember that we are RUSSIAN, and then they will immediately take their place (in the corner of the barrel).
  • Strashila
    Strashila 21 May 2013 10: 10 New
    +5
    “What prevents stopping the expansion of radical Islam in the regions of Russia (for example, the North Caucasus Federal District)?” ... the actions of the Russian government ... they subsidize this from the federal budget ... they sound like various programs to change the economy ... but the essence is the same, the effect is the same.Let them answer one simple question ... where does the type of "poor" Caucasians get the money from ??? Who is the sponsor except the federal budget ??? From where money for not a bad life, they don’t stain themselves with labor ???
  • optimist
    optimist 21 May 2013 10: 14 New
    +6
    Another hello putinoidam! Well, your "guarantor" with black .. sniffed and gave them a bunch of dough and preferences? Article minus: the author apparently forgot that the friendship of peoples disappeared along with the USSR. Now the question is concrete and tough: either we will drive them into the "reservation", or they will us. The unforgettable Joseph Vissarionovich at one time clearly showed how to solve this issue. And now it seems that the supreme power is deliberately and consciously pushing the country to an inter-ethnic war. If desired, all these "animals" can be dispersed in their uluses for a couple of months. am
  • Larus
    Larus 21 May 2013 10: 18 New
    10
    This power interferes, because she benefits from such a situation in the country. This is an anti-Russian government that lives for its enrichment and is not interested in anything else. As long as there is no Leader who cares about what is happening in the country and the people have no one to follow. I hope that they will not sit in holes, when the time comes to declare your rights to the country.
  • The gentleman
    The gentleman 21 May 2013 10: 27 New
    10
    I’ll start with the fact that he’s a Muslim himself. But you know from the article that mosques grow like mushrooms after rain. Isn’t there any regulatory document that would regulate the construction of mosques? Why isn’t work being carried out to capture aggressive people who, by the way are always in the mosque? and here is not a question in Islam, here is a question for religion in general, which must be controlled, because this is a serious force. In addition, in any state there should be a committee empowered with authority, which will specifically decide and verify a particular institution, published literature. If now we begin to take tough actions to reduce the influence of Islam on the region, I’m afraid that hassles and victims not to be avoided.
    1. Seriy
      Seriy 21 May 2013 11: 27 New
      +3
      I agree, the question is not religion at all, Christianity was also very bloodthirsty not so long ago, the question is in people
      1. Uncle
        Uncle 21 May 2013 13: 06 New
        -5
        Quote: Seriy
        Christianity too was very bloodthirsty not so long ago

        Go oversleep when this Christianity was bloodthirsty? Yes, we IN THOUGHTS CANNOT WISH EVIL NEARBY!
        1. Babon
          Babon 21 May 2013 13: 48 New
          +5
          Why, he meant Catholics. Inquisition. Some crusades are worth something. So Europeans kindly sent their knights, and then Latin America did the good to local Aborigines?
        2. The gentleman
          The gentleman 21 May 2013 16: 32 New
          +5
          you see, we succumb to the fact that claims begin because of religion, because of the attitude to a particular religion. And if you just leave it? for example, Syria, before the conflict, I watched a program where Christians and Muslims lived in the same region. in Egypt, everything was fine. In secular states, religion is distant from politics, and if religion is given at least a little more privileges than necessary, hostility begins for those who try to show what kind of super believer he is. There are 2 religions in my family, but the topic of faith has always been far from important issues needed to resolve. therefore, I believe that religion cannot be compared, everyone has their own faith, everyone has their own freedom of conscience ...
        3. alexander rus.
          alexander rus. 21 May 2013 19: 51 New
          -1
          Now Christianity is not bloodthirsty, but just greedy.
          1. The gentleman
            The gentleman 22 May 2013 08: 34 New
            0
            but what does Christianity have to do with it? The question is, in another, that religion has gone too far. One cannot evaluate it this way. In any religion there are many currents and each interprets it in its own way, as in law, it can be interpreted in its own way
      2. AntonR7
        AntonR7 21 May 2013 14: 02 New
        0
        Christ teaches forgiveness, but in Islam? So the bloodthirstiness of Christianity is a lie.
        1. Babon
          Babon 21 May 2013 14: 06 New
          +2
          Teaches, so have always forgiven? Well, the Inquisition was there, but the Albigensian wars? they forgiven cool there.
          1. Ivan.
            Ivan. 21 May 2013 15: 48 New
            +3
            When the followers of Christ became "power" they were cleverly "led" by the same politicians and priests. We all remember "if you can’t defeat the head," "throw a stone who is without sin" - the "infallible dad" also blesses anyone, and even apologized to the Jews for persecuting them because of their murder of Christ.
  • Yozhas
    Yozhas 21 May 2013 10: 29 New
    +6
    In our country, for some reason, the laws even work for the benefit of not honor. For example, if a Russian rushes to honor with a knife, then it’s racism right away, if not honor before self-defense.
    In the year 2007 he went to a friend in Ulyanovsk who worked as a cop in the Lenin department of the city. He told me the story that in the park they killed a young Muslim man, all the cop authorities caught up with the authorities from all over the city. Not long before that, not far from this place, a Russian guy was killed - a duty investigator, operas and a forensic scientist arrived.
    Yes, they have such a mountain for each other. We don’t have permission yet, we won’t do it - THIS IS NOT MY PROBLEMS THIS ME DOESN'T RELEASE AN ETERNAL DISAPPEARANCE. THESE ARE OUR PROBLEMS.
    1. The gentleman
      The gentleman 21 May 2013 10: 47 New
      0
      The law of the Republic of Uzbekistan "on freedom of conscience and religious organizations," may and will be ridiculous, but this law does apply and there is control by the relevant authority
  • anip
    anip 21 May 2013 10: 30 New
    10
    What prevents stopping the expansion of radical Islam in the regions of Russia (on the example of the North Caucasus Federal District)?

    The absence of Comrade Stalin and the NKVD divisions in the Caucasus interferes.
    .
    The girls themselves parents (mostly fathers, one of whom, by the way, at one time, law enforcement officers discovered the same extremist literature) are trying to convince everyone that girls, as faithful Muslims, themselves want to go to school in hijabs, but this “self-desire” is more an attempt of a certain provocation is seen.

    But then what about the insult to the religious feelings of Christians?
    .
    ... they say, if the teachers in the same Stavropol Territory are embarrassed by hijabs, then why aren't they embarrassed by piercing in the belly buttons or miniskirts of other schoolgirls ... Indeed, the argument is weighty ...

    Miniskirt and piercing do not belong to the religious traditions of any category of people. So you can call into question the wearing, for example, boots and boots. So this argument is not significant, but insignificant.
    .
    And this increase is visible, as they say, with the naked eye: if in Russian families 1-2 children are most often born, then Caucasian families are usually set up to give birth to at least three children. Moreover, if Russian families, justifying themselves for a small number of children, are inclined to say that, they say, problems with housing, low wages, lack of employment prospects, then for Caucasian families all this household background is extremely rarely associated with childbearing.

    Isn’t that so? Do Russians have problems with housing and salaries? Look at the Chechens, Dag, etc. in that region, they do not work anywhere, but live better than the Russian-speaking population. How is that? Question to the government. And it turns out that Chiechi and Dagas do not have “this household background”, and they multiply.
    .
    Returning to the radical Islamization of the Russian Caucasus, is there any way to stop this process at the legislative level? On the one hand, a number of restrictive measures can be introduced aimed at banning the construction of new mosques, appearing in religious vestments in public places, street prayers and other things. But after all, as you know, prohibitive steps do not always lead to positive results. On the contrary, they can cause a flurry in a very heated region.

    What a flurry? What is it about? As already mentioned above - the NKVD division. All.
    .
    But there is one more aspect of the problem: any Caucasian community is a priori much more united than the modern Russian group of people (plus for the Caucasian communities, and minus us today). This is manifested even within the framework of the army service ...

    But yes. Fact. Russian fools are ready to cut each other's throats, but they are afraid to speak against the LCNs together. Although, in fact, the Russians are afraid not to oppose the LKNs, but to 282 articles, which is not in vain called the “Russian” among the people. And in recent years, there have been so many examples of the different attitudes of courts and authorities towards the participants in the "showdown" between the Russian-speaking and the LCNs.
    Now, if it were like in the Republic of Belarus ... (there are examples too winked )
  • Opera
    Opera 21 May 2013 10: 39 New
    16
    Stop hysteria! Give birth to children, bring up sons yourself and listen to fewer women on this issue! Give sports boys in the section, prepare for the army! Help people as much as you can - brothers, sisters, neighbors, friends, just needing ... The time will come and help you. Go to church, there are many honest people, both young and old! Where people together, together, problems are solved faster! If the Lord did not give children, go to orphanages. To help your neighbor is in our national character. Where the Russians together do not have the problems described here, but it doesn’t arise for so long! Kuban is an example and not only!
    1. Lakkuchu
      Lakkuchu 21 May 2013 11: 46 New
      +6
      Quote: Oper
      Stop hysteria! Give birth to children, bring up sons yourself and listen to fewer women on this issue! Give sports boys in the section, prepare for the army! Help people as much as you can - brothers, sisters, neighbors, friends, just needing ... The time will come and help you. Go to church, there are many honest people, both young and old! Where people together, together, problems are solved faster! If the Lord did not give children, go to orphanages. To help your neighbor is in our national character. Where the Russians together do not have the problems described here, but it doesn’t arise for so long! Kuban is an example and not only!

      Correct words. The most honest comment and without insults. Everyone needs to start with themselves.
  • COBOK
    COBOK 21 May 2013 10: 57 New
    +8
    There is an article in the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation - for inciting ethnic hatred, according to which Russian is to blame for any conflict (interesting information flew about the conviction under this article for “humiliating” Caucasians in the comments on some website). For some reason, Kvachkov recalls ...
    And one more moment - the diasporas readily pay officials and buy loyalty, and the Russians hope for "justice" ...
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 21 May 2013 11: 59 New
      +2
      Quote: COBOK
      There is an article in the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation - for inciting ethnic hatred, according to which Russian is to blame for any conflict (interesting information flew about the conviction under this article for “humiliating” Caucasians in the comments on some website). For some reason, Kvachkov recalls ...
      And one more moment - the diasporas readily pay officials and buy loyalty, and the Russians hope for "justice" ...

      What kind of thing do you write, like some. Like this article is against Russian, I saw a lot of situations where Russian is against non-Russian. He wins in court who has MORE MONEY !!!!
      Regarding the diaspora, why did you raise these diasporas to the rank of some kind of controlling body ??? At the head of these diasporas are the richest people who are closely intertwined with the state. Maximum ro these ordinary diasporas know the name of its head. In most cases, the effect is negligible on their fellow countrymen and mostly in a mess, EVERYONE SAVES HIS SKIN MYSELF !!!
      If these diasporas were, as the average Russian imagines, it would be a paradise for visitors.
      At the most, these Diasporas that I do organize concerts spending a lot of money on unnecessary singers and on mourning dates to give some kind of speech. And then sending you, so the Diaspora is some kind of helping body where the dispatcher answers calls from ALO series I LOVE YOU WHAT YOU KILLED RUSSIAN? DONT BE ATTENDED BY THE ATTENDANT LAWYER LEAVED, NOW CALL THEIR HEAD TO TRANSFER AMOUNTS AND YOU ARE FREE. All usually, when a Caucasian was detained and there were many of his compatriots, there were many friends .What a Russian has 50 at a wedding, and a Caucasian has a minimum of 250, this indicates the level of cohesion.
      1. Uncle
        Uncle 21 May 2013 13: 10 New
        +1
        Ali, it seems to me that you are starting to love Russians?
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 21 May 2013 14: 31 New
          +3
          Quote: Uncle
          Do you think you start to love Russians?

          Yes, I kind of hated it. I said a pragmatist. I have more hatred than feelings and I don’t hate Armenians. I’m just against hypocrisy and 2 double standards. And I’m telling the truth that I’m Russian and mine.
          Problems can be solved if laws would work. But they do not work, and society does not want to regulate everything itself.
          Even look that we are discussing the problem that some indigenous citizens of the Russian Federation begin to move from one part of the Russian Federation to another. I would really be outraged in the place of the North Caucasians. But the trick is that the Russians have long perceived the North Caucasian republics as separate independent states and those also perceive Russia.
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 21 May 2013 14: 42 New
            +4
            Quote: Yeraz
            But the trick is that the Russians have long perceived the North Caucasian republics as separate independent states, and they also perceive Russia.

            here I agree with you!
            To not say, but even the discussions show that de facto have become different!
            I don’t feel at all like k!
            1. Yeraz
              Yeraz 21 May 2013 14: 47 New
              +4
              Quote: Yarbay
              here I agree with you!
              To not say, but even the discussions show that de facto have become different!
              I don’t feel at all like k!

              Yes, it’s just zero. Azerbaijan, Chechnya, Dagestan for the average Russian are like regions of one state named CAUCASUS !! But most of them really are. But it’s a shame different, Baku and Grozny, which in a modern style are perceived as one village, well, there are cars , donkeys, etc.And the most surprising is when recently a Russian girl at work said about come to us in Baku there is cool, she asked in all seriousness A ME RUSSIAN THERE WILL BE MISSED ???? This is such a question ??? Caucasus. From one angle and one direction. Like the West with the Russians from the series Bear and Drunk Ivan.
              1. Uncle
                Uncle 21 May 2013 16: 09 New
                0
                I had a little business dealing with Chechens, there are normal people, but there are cranks in kind by the letter "m". Adults, and retarded jokes, I don’t remember such people from the army. And it is not surprising that in the image of one they judge everyone.
              2. Ivan.
                Ivan. 21 May 2013 16: 57 New
                0
                The fun. He described reality in a funny way. By the way, I don’t drink!
              3. baltika-18
                baltika-18 21 May 2013 17: 32 New
                -1
                Quote: Yeraz
                the most amazing thing is when recently a Russian girl at work said about come to us in Baku there is fun

                In Baku. I liked it.
  • RUS
    RUS 21 May 2013 11: 11 New
    +7
    Although I am an opponent of Stalin, I am more and more inclined to believe that he was right when he exiled “uncontrollable” Caucasians to Middle Asia.
  • dc120mm
    dc120mm 21 May 2013 11: 19 New
    +3
    Very interesting.

    There is one question. That Stavropol Territory leaves the Russian population huh? In Alanya, too? leave Ossetia Alania? are there also a majority of Christians, they are not free to develop radical Islam? My friend said that in Alanya, Islam would be picking up radical power (he is from Vladikavkaz).
  • Seriy
    Seriy 21 May 2013 11: 24 New
    +1
    I agree in many respects with the author. The existing problems in interethnic relations should be taken as a lesson to our people who have forgotten, it does not matter for what reasons their roots. As a result, having slightly supplemented the author, I see the solution as follows:
    1. Demography is the main issue. Each family should have at least 2-3 children. Do not look for an excuse in money, it is not in vain that it says: If God gives a child, he will give a child. The seeker will find.
    2. National identity. It is necessary to realize that each of us is not on our own, but part of a single whole.
    3. Healthy lifestyle. After school, institute, a rare person continues to do some physical activity at least once every few days, and as a rule it combines this with beer and cigarettes.
    Those. a change in the value system is necessary, the realization that the pleasure of drinking alcohol and cigarettes is short-term, followed by reckoning and not so much what - kicks from representatives of neighboring nations or a serious illness. The main joy brings life in itself, well-being, children, simple things in general.
    ps He quit smoking himself after 10 years of experience, he was completely addicted to alcohol
  • amp
    amp 21 May 2013 11: 29 New
    -3
    The funny thing is that there are still people who are sleeping and seeing how to include Central Asia and Azerbaijan in Russia, and for no reason want to separate the North Caucasus from Russia.
    1. MVS
      MVS 21 May 2013 11: 40 New
      +4
      Quote: amp
      The funny thing is that there are still people who are sleeping and seeing how to include Central Asia and Azerbaijan in Russia, and for no reason want to separate the North Caucasus from Russia.

      If I understand you correctly, do you want to separate the Caucasus? And the fact that there are many Russians in the Caucasus doesn’t change anything? And the fact that beyond the Caucasus we will lose Tatarstan, Tuva, Yakutia (!!!).
      Squandering the land that our ancestors bought with blood is a crime. There are problems, somewhere they are stronger, somewhere weaker, but they must be solved, and not run away from them. Stop pouring water at the Pentagon's mill.
      1. amp
        amp 21 May 2013 11: 44 New
        +1
        There are no Russians in Chechnya or Dagestan for a long time.
        And where does Tatarstan and even more so Yakutia?
        1. MVS
          MVS 21 May 2013 11: 57 New
          0
          Quote: amp
          There are no Russians in Chechnya or Dagestan for a long time.

          The Caucasus is not only Chechnya and Dagestan. And there 3,5% of the population are Russians.
          Quote: amp

          And where does Tatarstan and even more so Yakutia?

          And despite the fact that in the 1990s, when the First Chechen War began in these republics and Bashkortostan, independent of the Center were created: taxes (not transferred to the budget of the Russian Federation), the prosecutor’s office, the judiciary, lawyers and notaries, local laws were refuted by federal . In Tula and Kirov, they developed their own constitution (in addition to everything that happens). And that’s not all.
          1. amp
            amp 21 May 2013 12: 03 New
            +3
            However, neither in Bashkiria, nor in Tula did the Russians cut out and enslave them like that? Only a full down does not see the difference between the Tatars, Dagis and Chicha.

            3,5% of Russians need to be withdrawn to Russia. In return for all the dag and chicha deport to their homeland. To build a fortified area on the border and the problem of Stavropol, as well as the whole of Russia, has been solved.

            Personally, I see no benefit to the Russians in Chechnya and Dagestan as part of Russia, and the problems are higher than the roof.
            1. MVS
              MVS 21 May 2013 12: 20 New
              +1
              Quote: amp

              Personally, I see no benefit to the Russians in Chechnya and Dagestan as part of Russia, and the problems are higher than the roof.

              Wanted a third Chechen? If the Russian Federation leaves there, the consequences will be dismantled by the great-grandchildren of our great-grandchildren. Think well what kind of headache we get in the face of another "independent" state. At best, NATO bases. At worst, war.
              Quote: amp
              However, neither in Bashkiria, nor in Tula did the Russians cut out and enslave them like that? Only a full down does not see the difference between the Tatars, Dagis and Chicha.
              3,5% of Russians need to be withdrawn to Russia. In return for all the dag and chicha deport to their homeland. To build a fortified area on the border and the problem of Stavropol, as well as the whole of Russia, has been solved.

              I repeat for the gifted
              Quote: MVS

              The Caucasus is not only Chechnya and Dagestan.

              Quote: MVS
              beyond the Caucasus we will lose Tatarstan, Tuva, Yakutia (!!!).

              This, as I understand it, is not enough? About the problems that we are raking, I already wrote above, I do not want to repeat myself. With a trailer we lose in the face of the republics minerals and a decent earth shmat.
              1. amp
                amp 21 May 2013 12: 31 New
                +3
                People FEET vote against life side by side with the Caucasians. What are the detachments you put up and forbid to leave? After 10 years, there will be a majority of them in the Stavropol Territory and we will lose the Stavropol Territory, as we have already lost Chechnya and Dagestan. They are only formally part of Russia, but in reality not a single Russian in their right mind will live there. This is clear?
                1. MVS
                  MVS 21 May 2013 12: 37 New
                  +1
                  Quote: amp
                  People FEET vote against life side by side with the Caucasians. What are the detachments you put up and forbid to leave? After 10 years, there will be a majority of them in the Stavropol Territory and we will lose the Stavropol Territory, as we have already lost Chechnya and Dagestan. They are only formally part of Russia, but in reality not a single Russian in their right mind will live there. This is clear?

                  No need to tell me how the Russians leave here (and not only). They leave here because:
                  1 no work
                  2 nowhere to learn
                  3 salaries are tiny
                  4 no growth prospects (if you do not have a bag of money, of course)
                  And everyone leaves here, there is nothing to catch here. It's good to shout about such things from Ryazan. This is clear?
                  1. amp
                    amp 21 May 2013 12: 59 New
                    +1
                    Why then% Chuorok grows, and% Russian falls?
                    1. MVS
                      MVS 21 May 2013 13: 06 New
                      -3
                      Quote: amp
                      Why then% Chuorok grows, and% Russian falls?

                      Because parents very often force back. Especially in our republic (why - I do not know). But the Russians are leaving, they see a normal salary / study / work / prospects and do not return. Any questions?
                2. Babon
                  Babon 21 May 2013 12: 40 New
                  +1
                  So in Russia itself how many representatives from the Caucasian republics live, we will still live together next door. And what are you going to do with them?
                  1. amp
                    amp 21 May 2013 13: 04 New
                    +2
                    Deport.
                3. Lakkuchu
                  Lakkuchu 21 May 2013 13: 27 New
                  0
                  Quote: amp
                  They are only formally part of Russia, but in reality not a single Russian in their right mind will live there

                  You have now insulted a large number of people .. Russian people. According to the 2010 census, 104.0 thousand Russians live in Dagestan (without Ukrainians and Belarusians). So they are all not in their right mind ?! The main reasons for leaving were indicated by MVS below, correctly noting that not only the Slavs were leaving, but also representatives of indigenous nationalities, and everyone had the same reasons for leaving. No one in Dagestan oppresses the Russians, they do not kill here on ethnic grounds, as they do in the central regions of Russia, there are no nationalist gangs, in the end you will not see Dagestan marches and other nationalist gatherings here.
                  1. itkul
                    itkul 21 May 2013 17: 43 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Lakkuchu
                    According to the 2010 census, 104.0 thousand Russians live in Dagestan (without Ukrainians and Belarusians).


                    Have you counted the Russians in Zindans or not

                    http://kavpolit.com/rabov-v-dagestan-vezut-iz-moskvy/

                    Since September last year in Dagestan, the Alternative movement and local volunteers freed about 50 people from slavery, Oleg Melnikov said: “Almost all of these people went to Dagestan in the same way - people approached them at bus stops and offered good jobs. Those who did not want to go were soldered, sleeping pills were added to the food. So they ended up in Dagestan. ”
                    1. Lakkuchu
                      Lakkuchu 21 May 2013 19: 17 New
                      +1
                      Quote: itkul
                      Have you counted the Russians in Zindans or not

                      50 people who, incidentally, were helped by local volunteers to find and release, that is, Dagestanis. Where can Dagestan compete in slaves for example with Moscow. In Moscow, the bill for slaves goes to tens and hundreds of thousands. And there is no one in a hurry to free them. Recall how dozens of migrant workers locked up indoors burned alive?
                      From the message of the IC of the Russian Federation: In Yegoryevsk near Moscow, the former factory for tailoring caught fire on the eve. In the fire killed 14 citizens of Vietnam, illegally working in the territory of the Russian Federation. Migrant workers were unable to escape, as they were walled up by their employers in the factory premises: the door to the street opened only outside and at night - the necessary products were handed over to people. The rest of the time they were locked in rooms where they had to live and work in inhuman conditions.
                      There are many such cases, but they remain without attention. Someone in Russia is interested in the lives of some Gaster. As for those Dagestanis who are engaged in such a dirty business, I can only say that they are creatures that dishonor us all and I hope they will answer according to the law.
                      1. Ivan.
                        Ivan. 21 May 2013 19: 32 New
                        0
                        Quote: Lakkuchu
                        In Egorievsk, Moscow Region, the day before, a former factory for tailoring caught fire. In the fire killed 14 citizens of Vietnam, illegally working in the territory of the Russian Federation. Migrant workers were unable to escape, as they were walled up by their employers in the factory premises

                        Most often, such factories are created and controlled by their own (ethnically), outsiders may not know together with the authorities who have enough bribes to not know.
                      2. itkul
                        itkul 21 May 2013 19: 47 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Lakkuchu
                        Where can Dagestan compete in slaves for example with Moscow. In Moscow, the bill for slaves goes to tens and hundreds of thousands. And there is no one in a hurry to free them


                        Something seems to me that the so-called "slave" in Moscow is enough to leave the room where he is held and ask for help from the first person he meets, and they will help him. In Dagestan, everyone is tied to each other and there’s no place to wait for help. It seems to me when such facts, it is necessary to immediately immediately demonstrate the punishment of the heads of local self-government, since they do not own the situation in their places.
                  2. zvereok
                    zvereok 21 May 2013 19: 47 New
                    +2
                    Do not forget that the Dagestanis massively opposed the militants who leaked into their republic from Chechnya and restrained their progress until regular units were deployed. And the fact that there is no normal work there, they can ask the management there (starting with them and ending with ours).
            2. AntonR7
              AntonR7 21 May 2013 14: 10 New
              +2
              They told you a wise thing squandering of Russian territories is a crime. What then will remain of Russia ?! Moscow region? and a few more areas? People like you are ready to give everything if only they would not be touched.
      2. 12061973
        12061973 21 May 2013 15: 21 New
        -1
        Tuva became part of the USSR and before that was independent.