Moscow sees no point in negotiations with Kyiv and Washington

Moscow currently sees no point in continuing trilateral negotiations on Ukraine, according to Russian presidential aide Yuri Ushakov.

Russia is ready for negotiations, the Kremlin has stated this repeatedly, but it sees no point in them. Moscow will not hold meetings for the sake of meetings, and for a real dialogue to begin, Kyiv needs to withdraw Ukrainian troops from Donbas. If Zelenskyy, in Ushakov's words, takes one "serious step," then we can sit down and discuss prospects for a further settlement.

Everyone understands this, so right now, frankly speaking, trying to convince each other is largely a waste of time, because this step is now expected from Kyiv, in particular from Zelensky.

However, as Zelenskyy himself has repeatedly emphasized, there will be no withdrawal of Ukrainian troops from Donbas. He explains this decision by saying that a withdrawal would allegedly result in the loss of "prepared positions" by the Ukrainian Armed Forces, thereby giving an advantage to Russian troops.

Against this backdrop, Vladimir Putin, realizing he couldn't get anything out of this clown, declared that Russia would take its course militarily. As of today, only Trump is still confident he can persuade the "illegitimate" Russian to withdraw its troops, despite the fact that he has repeatedly sent American negotiators.

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[al3x]

The Kremlin has stated repeatedly that it is ready for negotiations, but it sees no point in them.

Make up your minds once and for all. Kyiv is ready too, but it doesn't see the point. Everyone is ready, but it turns out no one is. Or maybe not everyone is ready. Some kind of push-pull. Statements for the sake of statements from all sides.

[rocket757]

I wanted to write the same thing, to note...
Otherwise, who should I listen to, how can I understand all the dances around and around

[al3x]

Therefore, we can conclude that the war is beneficial to everyone, at least to the "elites" - their coffers are growing and growing, and talk of negotiations is just a way to wave hope at the plebs on both sides, like a carrot to a donkey.

[alex-defensor]

Moscow sees no point in negotiations with Kyiv and Washington

What a twist!
What a surprise!
And here we were all literally counting on negotiations.
Some particularly hopeful people even ordered a batch of the well-known "perfume" on Ozon...
And some particularly sensitive ladies have already started to take a closer look at "lace panties"

[fruc]

Moscow sees no point in negotiations with Kyiv and Washington

I saw it a bit late. They cheated me again.

[bayard]

Quote: frruc

You've cheated again.

The main thing here is not to burst.

[alexoff]

They don't see the point, but they will meet Trump's son-in-law in Moscow and will probably tell us in detail about this important event.

[al3x]

but Trump's son-in-law will be welcomed in Moscow

What Jew would refuse such a super-luxurious freebie?

[alexoff]

Well, our goyim are always happy to shower the respected gentleman with freebies, even though they have no hope

[Sedov]

Make up your minds once and for all. Kyiv is ready too, but it doesn't see the point. Everyone is ready, but it turns out no one is. Or maybe not everyone is ready. Some kind of push-pull. Statements for the sake of statements from all sides.

In this regard, the last paragraph of the article is a real firecracker. (I didn’t mean to offend Vladimir in any way, as the author of the article, but here it is)

Against this backdrop, Vladimir Putin, realizing he couldn't get anything out of this clown, declared that Russia would take its course militarily. As of today, only Trump is still confident he can persuade the "illegitimate" Russian to withdraw its troops, despite the fact that he has repeatedly sent American negotiators.

This bleating about the military path already sounds toxic. We rub, we hustle, we win, we convince ourselves... We tell people that this... is necessary for security. This... is for development. This... is to support the oligarchs, in their current difficult times... This... is so that you don't gather in groups and scold the leadership. And so on and so forth.
Aaaand, yeah... Trump, currently mired in the Middle East, is not at all interested in Russia-Ukraine negotiations. He's more concerned with saving his ass with Iran.

[andrewkor]

The Russian Foreign Ministry, following Iran's example, is under extreme pressure. They're sending all negotiators on a graceful and imaginative erotic journey, defending their national interests. Russia has been repeatedly "dumped" after seemingly credible negotiations! Minsk, Turkey, Anchorage—continuous disappointments: "We were deceived."
Special thanks to VVP for the destroyed Victory Day and Immortal Regiment.

[snow mountain]

Russian Foreign Ministry, follow Iran's example.

The Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs does not train!

[Andrey Gladkikh]

"Statements for the sake of statements" is a common and often necessary diplomatic tactic. So, there's nothing surprising about this.

[Ivanhoe]

Tikvite vzeha let them ripen. It is given that they will see to the extent, and in some way they will understand why this war is burning with a cue, and not with a word.

[Zheka111]

For the young it is war and death, for the old it is just talk

[belost79]

More precisely, for the poor it's death and suffering, and for the rich it's conversations and trips to godless Gayrope for shopping with the whole family on the weekend.
It was roughly the same in the 18th century: armies were fighting, and English aristocrats were visiting nasty French women to have fun.

[fruc]

Zheka111
For the young, war and death

Now the situation is maturing in the Baltic region and it will not end well.

[Samoyed]

If you repeat the same actions, it's stupid to even imagine a different outcome. A generalized Putin is the oligarchy's henchmen. We need to eliminate the billionaires, officials, and members of parliament with their diverse citizenship. They've even surpassed prostitutes; they're more honest.

[Zoer]

Quote: Samoyed

If you repeat the same actions, it's stupid to even imagine a different outcome. A generalized Putin is the oligarchy's henchmen. We need to eliminate the billionaires, officials, and members of parliament with their diverse citizenship. They've even surpassed prostitutes; they're more honest.

Until the oligarch class is destroyed in Russia, we will never develop and win.
A simple example. At the end of April, they launched the pumping of Russian oil through Ukraine. Watch his hands: the oligarch pays only the mineral extraction tax to the Russian budget for the oil extracted from our country's subsoil, currently 918 rubles per ton. For the transit of the same ton of oil through Ukraine, the oligarch pays 17 euros to the greenback and his Nazi supporters, or 1500 rubles at the current exchange rate.
Attention question: how long will the SVO last in this scenario and how will it end?

[Neo-9947]

Quote: Samoyed

They even surpassed prostitutes, they are more honest.

And don't compare prostitutes to government officials. It's obvious that the prostitute did her job honestly and got what she deserved.
And the deputy/official...
Can anyone tell me who from this abyss worked honestly?

[Boris Sergeev]

What difference will the withdrawal of the Ukrainian Armed Forces from Donbas make, when Perm is being bombed? Or does withdrawing the Ukrainian Armed Forces from Slovyansk automatically transform Zelenskyy into a "legitimate" and "non-Nazi," while the "anti-people junta" becomes a "respected partner"? Surely, in that case, they can afford to "play pranks," like the "peace-loving" Trump does in Iran?

[Zoer]

Well, at least they don't bleat about Anchorage's odor anymore.

[taiga2018]

Why should Ukraine negotiate if at least the psychological advantage is gradually shifting to it? There was such enthusiasm in Russia when the Second World War began; even mobilization didn't cause much discontent; the people supported it, and now our government has screwed it all up. All these mossy Ushakovs no longer evoke anything but disgust.

[Neo-9947]

Quote: taiga2018

Ushakovs

Who is this?
Decision maker?
Or one cannot pronounce the name of the Unspeakable...

[Ed Mac]

Quote: taiga2018

The mobilization did not cause much discontent, the people supported it

It's not true, the mobilization was a shock. There were many dissatisfied and frightened people, even shootings took place at the military registration and enlistment office.
https://pikabu.ru/story/rasstrelyavshiy_voenkoma_v_ustilimske_obyasnil_prichinyi_svoego_postupka_9498759
It's telling that in Chechnya, it was stopped almost immediately; Dagestan was one of the first to "gain momentum." The situation calmed down when money started being given out, and this became voluntary, and Prigozhin saved the situation at the front.

But it's outrageous and obvious that the government is sabotaging the SVO. Even as Prigozhin demanded ammunition, and even as the people scraped together resources, the state continued spending billions on stray dogs and all sorts of extravagances like Sobyanin's stove. And now, after Shoigu's words about the danger, the only noticeable measure taken is blocking the internet in the country, while, for example, Zelenskyy, during this same time, tested Baltic weapons, improved relations with Armenia and Azerbaijan, and received an American laser system for air defense.

[Dinic]

You can't figure them out: one head says one thing, another says something else. And the main one is completely silent. The press secretary is talking nonsense (according to the president himself). Who is responsible for what is unclear.

[Sebenza]

...that this step is now expected from Kyiv, in particular from Zelensky."
Stop clowning around. Everyone understood and was moved.

[spirit]

He explains this decision by saying that with the withdrawal of the Ukrainian Armed Forces they will allegedly lose “prepared positions,” thereby giving an advantage to Russian troops.

What do you mean, "allegedly"? It's the same as if the French had offered to surrender Verdun to the Germans in WWI. Taking Kramatorsk and Slavyansk with the current "Verdun meat grinder" strategy would take years and cost millions of lives. Even a full-fledged person wouldn't agree to that. And now, with the cash and increased aid from Europe, it's even more so. But apparently, the aging "grandmasters" don't understand this.

[Prisoner]

Stalin did not negotiate with the Bandera bastards.

[your1970]

Quote: Captive

Stalin did not negotiate with the Bandera bastards.

The problem is that they outlived it - at least until 1957, at most by 70 years.

[Skobaristan]

Comrade Stalin entered into a pact with Nazi Germany, despite knowing full well who he was dealing with. Compared to the German Nazis, the Banderites were simply scum.

[Boris Sergeev]

Nazi Germany was supplying aircraft to the USSR at the time, rather than bombing Perm.

[Skobaristan]

Nazi Germany had previously exterminated all its communists and had managed to fight in Spain, including against our volunteers.

[Boris Sergeev]

You honestly don't understand the difference between persecuting political opponents within a country and military confrontation between states? What did the USSR do to the Nazis back then, including the OUN? What did the "Kyiv regime" do to Odessa on May 2, 2014, and how did the Russian leadership react? Quite calmly, they called Poroshenko "Ukraine's best choice."

[Skobaristan]

I actually see perfectly well what your comments are trying to achieve. That's enough for me. Rhetorically. Your comments are akin to you saying out loud in 44: how dare they negotiate with Finland, after everything they did in Karelia and the siege of Leningrad!

[Boris Sergeev]

They should have kept quiet! In 1944, Soviet submarine bases were located in Finland, and in 2026, they bombed Ust-Luga through Finland.

[Skobaristan]

I understand that they don't like my remark. After all, when negotiations with Finland began in 44, they didn't know how they would end. All they knew was that the Finns were committing atrocities and that the Soviet leadership had begun negotiations with them.

[Boris Sergeev]

In 1944, Soviet troops were in Poland and the USSR was winning the war, which everyone knew.

[Skobaristan]

You're trying to jump aside, I understand that too... Let's end it here.

[Boris Sergeev]

In what direction? Are you trying to equate the 1944 negotiations, when the USSR set Finland's conditions, with the current begging for negotiations from those whom Putin himself called "a gang of Nazis and drug addicts." This isn't national humiliation, is it?

[Skobaristan]

Thank you. This is a most valuable comment. You've clearly revealed the purpose of your comments: to suggest that Russia is humiliating itself. I couldn't have asked for anything better.

[Boris Sergeev]

It is not the Russian Federation that is being humiliated, but the specific individuals who lead it, while also humiliating those they represent.

[Skobaristan]

This isn't national humiliation, is it? (c) And again, interesting. National humiliation means our nation is being humiliated. And then they jumped back: It's not the Russian Federation that's being humiliated. (c) You're becoming more and more interesting. By the way, yes. Instilling the idea of ​​humiliation or guilt is an element of manipulation. Simply put, it's the same war on the information front. Now that's it, that's it. But yeah, you're not much of a fighter.

[Boris Sergeev]

Keep spinning like a crucian carp on a frying pan, guardian!

[Skobaristan]

Exactly. I'm the one who sees historical parallels. I see how they're trying to wage war against my country on all fronts. Including in the comments. Because the only chance is to undermine it from within. But you've done a poor job.

[Boris Sergeev]

I'm not sure which "your country" exactly is, but they've been waging war against ours since 1991, and not in the comments.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Russia is ready for negotiations, the Kremlin has stated this repeatedly, but it sees no point in them.

This is some kind of schizophrenia, either she is ready or she doesn’t see the point

[Skobaristan]

If you don't understand something, it doesn't mean you're schizophrenic. For example, you could say: we're for peace, but peace with the Nazis is impossible. We're for negotiations, but negotiations are pointless right now. The other side isn't mature enough.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

This is called wordplay

[Skobaristan]

No. It's called, as I've already said, a lack of understanding. You didn't understand—that means schizophrenia and empty talk. It's easier for you, it's clear.

[Boris Sergeev]

Your empty talk makes me sick, especially against the backdrop of the "no alternative Minsk agreements" with the Nazis and the "spirit of Anchorage."

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Boris Sergeev

Your empty talk makes me sick, especially in light of this

take cerucal

[faterdom]

I wonder if Peskov knows there's no point? Or is he in the other room?

[Gavrilo Princip]

Peskov named the main goal of the special operation

He formulated the main goal of the special operation as ensuring the safety of the residents of Donbass.
"Many of them (goals) have been achieved. The main goal is ensuring the safety of the people who lived and continue to live in eastern Ukraine and who were truly in mortal danger. And that's the most important thing," Peskov explained.

[drags33]

Finally, we're hearing something sensible!!! That guy with the mustache spouts nonsense every day... But let's imagine that Donbas is liberated (by us, or by the Ukrainians themselves...). So what? An end to the war? What do you mean!!! If we leave even one (!!!) hamlet in Ukraine under the control of the Banderites, they'll start a new war against Russia from there... This entire Ukrainian Nazi infestation must be burned out with a hot iron, so that not a trace of it remains!

[bob03]

However, as Zelensky himself has repeatedly emphasized, there will be no withdrawal of Ukrainian troops from Donbass.

For example, even if the Ukrainian Armed Forces withdraw from Donbas, and Russia decides to liberate Chernihiv after that, will we be fighting until 2050? There are no guarantees of ending the conflict yet, and verbal statements are worthless.

[Oleg Valov]

Absolutely correct Vladimir!
But this should have been done long ago, earlier.
And do not forgive the acts of terror committed by Zelensky and his special services.
We must speak to Ukraine only harshly, in their language.
Russia, the President, and the government failed to do this. That's why they're killing senior military personnel and journalists, and attacking residential buildings and hospitals. They've sunk a third of the Black Sea Fleet, and it continues.
This could lead to a major war.
We need to issue an ultimatum.
Give Zelensky 1 day, and if he doesn't comply, destroy: all checkpoints and support pairs, airfields, ports, all power plants, large housing constructions, dams, bridges, all government buildings, ministries, government, the president, etc.
Destroy Zelensky and his entire gang.
Just like the US and Israel did.
It's a shame our President Vladimir Putin isn't doing this. By preserving the elite and oligarchs in Russia, is he losing our military, the state's prestige, and the fear of our enemies?
Ah, this could turn into a tragedy.
Ah, what a pity. They could have ended this war in 2022.
They lost their nerve and made a mistake, but everyone said that you can’t trust your enemies.
They must be beaten!
And then, there are no our people in Kyiv. Everyone there is our enemy, and there is no need to pity them.
Who felt sorry for our torn-apart citizens in the Kursk region, and for the citizens of Donbas shot in basements by the Ukrainian Armed Forces?
Yes, there were so many atrocities committed by these inhuman creatures!
Recently, while defending the Crimean Bridge, the crew of the border patrol boat PSKA-300, realizing they couldn't stop a Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicle loaded with explosives heading for the Crimean Bridge, rammed it at the cost of their lives and perished. But they saved the bridge.
And the country didn't know about it.
And no one in the government remembered them, declared no national mourning, and didn't even allow them into television reports.
This information was modestly provided in combat reports and bloggers' remarks.
And if you just imagine how motivated you have to be today and how much you have to love your homeland and military service to give your life like this.
And are they the only ones who listened to the SVO like that?
It's wrong, this cold-hearted cowardice on the part of our leaders, although what do they care about these eight guys? When the Kursk drone was lost, they were also preoccupied with everyday matters...
There is such a profession - to defend the Motherland,
Glory to the heroes of Russia!

[Moneron]

senile dementia is getting worse

[agk1982]

The main thing is not to rock the boat and not interfere with the controlled process of Russia's collapse.

[Mikhail Nasharashev]

Why would Zelensky withdraw troops from the DPR? Did someone defeat him? Did Ukraine lose the war? And if not, then there will be no withdrawal. He'll even demand a withdrawal from the DPR. That would be a terrible slap in the face.

[Vyacheslav Boldyrev]

The 500-year conflict has reached its end. It's either us or them. We need to destroy the Anglo-Saxons, not negotiate with them. You can read the story "Status-6, Circle System" (Dead Water) on Prose.ru about how this war will play out and how it will end.

[asng]

There is no war. The regular army of an enemy state is called a gang. The invasion of Russian territory by enemy troops is called the infiltration of a terrorist group. Regular bombing of Russian territory is called terrorist acts. The president of an enemy state is called illegitimate (almost non-existent).
This is a misrepresentation. And this misrepresentation has been lulling the Russian people into complacency for over five years. And during these years, the situation, the standard of living, technical potential, access to education and healthcare, social mobility... in Russia have not improved. Meanwhile, the quiet theft of the Russian people's wealth continues unabated—they steal mineral resources, which go, among other things, to our enemies. In the fifth year of suppressing "terrorists," they have begun methodically bombing us, Russia. And our "elected" authorities have begun asking the "terrorists" for truces.
Enough of this nonsense. Call a spade a spade. This is war. This is a Holy War, because it is a war for the Motherland, for the memory of our Ancestors, for the future of our Descendants. Declare martial law. Create a people's militia.
You can’t take a passive position - this is the path to the abyss, to oblivion.

[Anyuta Glorious]

What else isn't clear to the Kremlin? The West will never stop voluntarily supplying Ukraine with weapons and money. It will continue to fight Russia to the last Ukrainian, battalion soldier, Pole, Colombian, and so on. This could go on for years, as it has now, and even decades! The West has plenty of money, Russia doesn't. Yes, because there are all these Nabiullinas sitting around, and the sanctions are having a very real impact. What does the Kremlin intend to do next, huh? The enemy is already attacking Western Russia with drones very effectively. Rostov got it today. Enough of all these statements! We're fed up with them. What does the Kremlin intend to do to achieve its goals? Stay on the defensive? Increase production of expensive missiles for its air defense system, which is already largely protecting Moscow alone?

[Idle_piston]

Moscow sees no point in negotiations with Kyiv and Washington

Oh, come on! I had a Verkhovyna moped when I was a kid, and it had the same "late ignition" feature.

[Amateur]

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