China sentenced two former defense ministers to death for corruption.

In Russia, following repeated reports of the arrests of high-ranking corrupt officials, debate is raging about the need for harsher penalties. China is often cited as an example, where bribe-takers are treated with impunity, regardless of their current or past achievements or high position in the government hierarchy. However, this hasn't reduced the number of embezzlers.

Another example: A Chinese military court has sentenced two former ministers of national defense to death with a two-year reprieve for corruption. This was reported by the official Chinese government news agency, Xinhua, citing today's court ruling.

The names of former Chinese military leaders who served as State Councilors on the Central Military Commission and the State Council have been announced. These include Colonel General Wei Fenghe (Minister of Defense from 2018 to 2023) and Li Shangfu, who replaced his predecessor in March 2023 and was dismissed in October of that same year. Both were dismissed from their senior military positions on charges of bribery and large-scale abuse of power and expelled from the Communist Party of China for "serious violations of party discipline and the rule of law."

Both former military officials received identical sentences: capital punishment, lifelong deprivation of political rights with confiscation of all personal property, and were stripped of their awards and military ranks.

However, the former defense ministers do have the option of avoiding the death penalty. Under Chinese law, they are granted a two-year probationary period. During this time, they will remain in prison. In the event of "exemplary behavior" and no violations, the death sentence can be automatically commuted to life imprisonment without parole.

In some cases, the court may set a sentence of 25 years. Based on Chinese judicial practice, this is most often the case. However, there are cases where death sentences are carried out.

Comments

[snow mountain]

It would be good to shoot our generals for theft, too. And preferably in public, with a televised broadcast.

[al3x]

It would be good to shoot our generals for theft.

Will they shoot each other? It would be an epic spectacle, and judging by how many have been exposed in recent months, it would be a massacre.

[highlight]

Quote: al3x

It would be an epic spectacle

Royal cityGeneral's battle

[Netl]

Quote: clou

Royal General's Battle

IMHO, a battle is unnecessary, as is the death penalty. They'll simply add a risk premium to the bribe.

What's needed is a system in which corrupt officials have no such opportunities. Any decisions should be made as openly as possible, with the possibility of being challenged by various actors. And people should be removed from their positions not just because they've been caught, but simply for less effective performance (which is where corruption is usually hidden).

[alexoff]

but simply for less efficient work

This is incredible! When in Russia has anyone ever been fired for poor performance? It's always either corruption or a loss of trust, and you can screw up anything.

[knn54]

-But this doesn't mean there are fewer embezzlers.
It's not a given that they're embezzlers. But they're certainly conspirators.

[Motorist]

Quote: Schneeberg

It would be good to shoot our generals for theft, too. And preferably in public, with a televised broadcast.

They still steal. The other day, someone stole a bronze plug from a spotlight in Tianjin. They just cut it off with the cable, the assholes!

[Nexcom]

...it's definitely the ex who came and cut it off.

[Motorist]

Yeah, and another ex was standing guard.

[Nexcom]

How did you guess???
as if you burned them there and saw them...

[Motorist]

Quote: Nexcom

How did you guess???

The ship's camera caught it. And when I saw the photos in the article, I recognized both twins immediately.

[Nexcom]

..."these are persons of unknown affiliation, outwardly very similar to...." (c) exes.
In short - "optical illusion" (c)

[ZovSailor]

snow mountain
Today, 15: 23
It would be good to shoot our generals for theft, too. And preferably in public, with a televised broadcast.

So that's it, the blogger's former father-in-law should be on his guard.
I do not rule out the possibility that the purpose of this character's frequent visits to Uncle Xi is to enlist his support for possible persecution in the future.
If you want to live, you won’t spread yourself like that (Kuzmich, “Peculiarities of the National Hunt”).

[Vitaly_pvo]

Quote: Schneeberg

our generals should be shot for theft

Generals are military-political leaders. Moreover, their decisions are influenced far more by politics than by military expediency. Therefore, if anyone wants to achieve real results in the fight against corruption, they must first understand how it happened that for 30-40 years, an officer, and later a general, honorably fulfilled his duty, risked his life, passed hundreds of internal audits, and received dozens of positive evaluations. And then, in his old age, he "suddenly" became a malicious corrupt official and traitor.
Miracles may happen, but not in this case.

[Revolver]

Quote: Vitaly_pvo

For 30-40 years, the officer, then general, honorably fulfilled his duty, risked his life, passed hundreds of internal investigations, and received dozens of positive evaluations. And then, in his old age, he "suddenly" became a malicious corrupt official and traitor.

Last year, rumors circulated that China had suppressed an attempt, either planned or even in progress, to remove Xi from office using military force. Could that be the case? Corruption is a thing. As A. V. Suvorov said, "Someone who served as a quartermaster for two years could be hanged, and there would be a reason for it."

[solar]

Suvorov knew a thing or two about this - he served as a quartermaster for 4 years...

[ser-pov]

It would be good to shoot our generals for theft, too. And preferably in public, with a televised broadcast.

Why only generals? Look how many governors and their deputies have already been sent to prison.

[Gavrilo Princip]

Iran has a pretty good handle on the passing and execution of death sentences against traitors. That's why they slap down all sorts of NATO-related crimes without a twinge of conscience. Hands are chopped off for embezzlement, and some even have their heads chopped off. Let's say an official shows up to a government meeting and there are no hands (though there were last week). "How come?" his colleagues ask, and the chairman replies, "Look, comrades, look at this! He stole all sorts of unsavory real estate and assets in Western "democracies," registering them in the names of relatives and small children, but so-and-so won't show up. Their heads were chopped off yesterday, and they can't talk."

[APASUS]

First, you need to understand what the Chinese army is. You can easily hire soldiers for construction, security, or even just toil at a machine tool if you need them. It's the same with equipment, too. The Chinese army earns its own money; the state pays for anything the army's budget doesn't cover.

[Sergej1972]

That was before. Now the policy is aimed at ridding the army of unnecessary functions. Military command is prohibited from engaging in commercial activities. Moreover, its numbers have been significantly reduced.

[Anthony]

At their age, 25 years old, it’s the same as a life sentence.

[ZhEK-Vodogrey]

A military court in China has sentenced former Chinese Defense Minister Li Shangfu to death for corruption with a two-year reprieve, China Central Television reports.

P.S. They'll shoot me if I have to deal with the consequences on the right. Although, who knows...

[ximkim]

Quote: al3x

It would be good to shoot our generals for theft.

Will they shoot each other? It would be an epic spectacle, and judging by how many have been exposed in recent months, it would be a massacre.

executioners torture each other on the rack

[Pavel57]

Our bureaucracy initially secured itself by abolishing the death penalty.

[Tommy gun]

And we have Shoigu's first deputy on house arrest... yeah

[Amateur]

And our first deputy Shoigu is under house arrest.

But the military general Popov is sitting for an unknown million rubles.
Well, General Tsalikov has been Shoigu's deputy since 1992, regardless of what position he held.
Therefore, if you dig deep into Tsalikov, so much feces will emerge and they will flow so high that the shelling of the May 9th Parade will seem like child's play.

[novel66]

It's the other way around - their ministers steal, but their deputies don't do anything!

[Nexcom]

It's not allowed. The boss will give you what you "deserved"...

[Alf]

Quote: Tommy Gun

And we have Shoigu's first deputy on house arrest... yeah

[alexoff]

And the son of another former deputy of Shoigu is in charge of the Moscow region.

[commbatant]

In China, almost no one is executed immediately. They give two years of probation. The conditions themselves are terrible, they're shackled and handcuffed the whole time, you can't really eat much... This is done deliberately so that the convict appreciates the punishment and understands that he's a nobody...

[Nexcom]

...and they don't bring masseuses into the cell??? sadists...
Well, how can you steal in such conditions, huh?

[novel66]

It's hard, but it's necessary. My job requires it.

[Nexcom]

..Well, it's embarrassing to look like a loser, isn't it? He didn't steal the job, did he? Ooh, a loser - no big deal... How will I be able to look my "colleagues" in the eye later? I'll be "ashamed".

[Amateur]

I can only imagine what the Chinese think of Russia when Shoigu comes to negotiate with them...

[Nexcom]

Well, he doesn't come to Comrade Xi on his own, does he? He comes from Himself...

[Amateur]

I wrote "about Russia." Aren't the people you mentioned part of Russia? So the Chinese think the same about them.

[novel66]

Their defense ministers are clearly jealous of ours.

[Nexcom]

and how is Roman? They shoot theirs, but "ours" take the seven from a bush and "fly like a white swan to distant places" (c)

[Got it]

And yet it works. Who said there aren't fewer corrupt officials there? Yes, there are, but clearly orders of magnitude fewer than in Russia. It's scary to imagine the level of corruption in Russia, with such lenient laws, compared to China. And for money, you can even get into high places, get into the SVO, for example, and never get to the LBS... money solves everything. We need to tighten things up and not be shy.

[astepanov]

Quote: Oldi

It's scary to imagine the level of corruption in Russia with such lenient laws compared to China.

Well, there are concrete figures. State losses due to corruption in China amount to 0,5% of GDP, while in Russia it's 30 to 40%. That's 60 to 89 times greater than in China. That's why we have meager pensions, a collapsing industry, a complete mess with aircraft manufacturing—and with everything else in general. Bottom line: shoot or hang these bastards, mercilessly, in public, without regard for appearances.

[alexoff]

What about laws? Our law enforcement officials have zero complaints about corrupt officials in ministry leadership. I don't know what they'd have to do to get locked up, probably ripping a granny to pieces in Red Square. And even then, they might cut off everyone's internet and confiscate their cell phones, like no one would believe you anyway.

[Tagan]

How good it is to be Russian, thought Sergei...

[acetophenone]

Quote: Motorist

The other day in Tianjin someone stole a bronze fork from a spotlight.

You can't forbid living beautifully... Or maybe brass?

[isv000]

I'm so jealous... I wish I could burn Timur and his team at the stake...

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Not bad... And our Minister of Defense knew nothing. The deputies are thieves. And the minister is a crystal-clear honest man!

[Nexcom]

High-ranking officials are above trial. It's the deputies who cheat and steal. But the bosses – no way.

[G17]

In Russia, unlike China, former defense ministers Serdyukov and Shoigu received new positions after corruption scandals that led to the arrest of numerous of their deputies.

Serdyukov, following a corruption investigation, was pardoned in connection with the 20th anniversary of the Constitution, as a "defender of the fatherland." Since 2017, he has been the director of the Rostec aviation complex and chairman of the board of directors of Rostvertol PJSC. Since 2019, he has been chairman of the board of directors of the United Aircraft Corporation PJSC (until 2021) and vice president of the Union of Mechanical Engineers of Russia.

Following his dismissal as Minister of Defense and the arrest of most of his deputies, Shoigu was appointed Secretary of the Russian Security Council by the President.

[Nexcom]

...a man who embezzled 12 million in state money in some places was recently arrested with a large sum from the Emirates...
and nothing... but you don't have to believe me... I'm already sick of them all. They get caught - and it's as if they don't care - they're not afraid of anything...

[Foggy Dew]

It seems the commenters above either didn't understand the point of the article or didn't read it at all. The point is that in China, under any government, officials have always stolen, are stealing, and will continue to steal in ways no one in Russia would ever dream of. And no amount of executions will fix this situation. Especially since the CCP leadership itself has always OPENLY supported the Triads, and that's not just a corrupt official, it's an organized crime group. There, criminals and the government are essentially equal. So, anyone who wants to blame China is headed straight to prison; that's where they'll find their soulmates.

[albert]

Kuzhugetovich, please log out.

[Foggy Dew]

Any objections to the FACTS? Navalny, what's wrong with you?

[foxes]

He didn't even get a promotion! What a disgrace.

[Nexcom]

..and don't talk nonsense! (c) Well, at least they could have offered me some kind of quiet, cushy job, or something...

[Pravodel]

China sentenced two former defense ministers to death for corruption.

China couldn't care less about all these Western bourgeois liberal quirks. Therefore, it continues to crush its traitors and embezzlers, freeing the country from all the scum that might betray it at the most crucial moment or flee to the West and sling shit at everyone from there, like our own bastards do.
And what about us!? We keep looking to the West, competing with them in terms of following liberal principles. That's why our generals, governors, and their accomplices steal from us, even during wartime. And not only do they steal, but they also flee abroad with their stolen and plundered goods, loudly shouting, "Save us from Putin's damned regime, it's become completely unbearable to breathe..." And countless such bastards have fled from us. And more will flee if we don't finally bring order to our country and finally reinstate the death penalty as a fitting punishment for their crimes. And for the most distinguished, a noose in the public square, as was the case during and after WWII.
Then we can say: you're on the right path, tooooovariscccciiiiii... As one of the famous characters once said...

[Mark Kalendarov]

An interesting criminal practice. It would be good to implement it in...
But a crow won't peck out another crow's eye.

[Graz]

There were rumors about the defense minister on the right in the photo about his involvement in an attempt to seize power and a conspiracy

[Bayun]

I once looked at modern Rus' and realized: it's all about money. But when I opened my eyes from the Chinese perspective to the Russian perspective, I realized: the whole world today is all about money.

P.S.: A soldier who doesn't dream of serving in a private military company is a poor soldier. States that aren't privatized and haven't become private have no future.

[Samoyed]

They steal less! Compare the percentage of officials who steal in China and Russia. Russia will win!

[Lynx2000]

Quote: Amateur

Well, General Tsalikov has been Shoigu's deputy since 1992, regardless of what position he held.
Therefore, if you dig deep into Tsalikov, so much feces will emerge and they will flow so high that the shelling of the May 9th Parade will seem like child's play.

So he, Tsalikov, is not even a military man, not an army general, he is just an official - a state adviser of some class...
They came up with a uniform and symbols for them (stars, "cabbage"), only in white (a la silver), while the military had gold.

[foxes]

For this type of contingent, the modern "office" uniform of a loader at a vegetable warehouse suits them very well.

[Gavrilo Princip]

Sergei Shoigu called the President's offer to head the federal part of the United Russia party list for the State Duma elections a sign of the highest trust.

I believe that Sergei Kuzhugetovich will once again lead the Party into battle. And we will unite, comrades.

[Metallurg_2]

Well, now he will sit in the Duma and will receive immunity according to the law.

[AdAstra]

How can we transfer them to another position? They're savages, honestly.

[16112014nk]

sentenced to death

Our thieving generals are not in danger of this.
"A thief should go to prison." ©
And here he sits in the Security Council.

[Metallurg_2]

And only our reindeer herder knew nothing about the affairs of his deputies...

[Vasyan1971]

Another example: A Chinese military court sentenced two former ministers of national defense to death with a two-year reprieve for corruption.

And how can one not remember Mr. Andrzej:

We tie him to a pole in front of the criminals' palace, hoping that the beast will get drunk and dive back into his coffin.
"Not a bad way," the witcher chuckled. "Is crime on the decline?"
- Keep your pockets wide open!

[bbb]

Comrade Xi can charge anyone with any crime, even corruption, if he needs to get rid of someone. It's nothing personal, just a power struggle.

[icy]

Our Ministry of Defense would experience a massive shortage of personnel.

[Rom8681]

And our S.K.Shoigu didn't quite keep an eye on his deputies.

[pexotinec]

In our country, a policeman will be jailed longer for a bribe of ten rubles than a general for embezzling a budget of billions.

[Alexander]

Ineffective! Confiscation is much better!