More than hockey: about baiting the Russian national team

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Due to its relatively narrow thematic focus, the Military Observation website rarely addresses sports and near-sports events. Although it is often sporting events and their results, no less than meetings and negotiations of politicians of different levels and military maneuvers of the Armed Forces, reflect, if I may say so, the country's geopolitical rating on the world stage. And even more, this rating reflects the internal assessment of sports results.



This material was prepared against the background of two events that somehow turned out to be related to each other. The first event: the incredible success in Russia of Nikolai Lebedev’s film “The Legend No. XXUMX”, which tells about the remarkable Soviet hockey representative Valeria Kharlamov, and the second event: the world hockey championship, which was hosted by Finland and Sweden. The second event against the background of the first turned into a bitter sediment, which made me feel fully. And the main component of this draft is not even that the Russian hockey players could not get through to the semifinals of the world championship, but the fact that, with a clearly non-expressive game, our team managed to miss 17 pucks from the American young hockey players in the last match for the tournament, responding on three of them.

Naturally, the defeat of the Russian national team and, most importantly, its sluggish play with their hands down, caused a storm of negative emotions. Various Russian publications have allowed themselves to declare that this is a real failure for Russian hockey, from which fans and hockey players themselves are unlikely to recover. Foreign publications (in particular, Latvian newspapers) managed to christen "3: 8" from Americans for Russian shame, clearly savoring every puck missed by Russians. Immediately, it was heard that, supposedly, Zinetula Bilyaletdinov should resign, and the leading players (Kovalchuk, Radulov, Nikulin, Ovechkin) should refuse to perform at all in the national team after such an inglorious end of the tournament.



Well, what can I say: oh, how we love to engage in self-flagellation - in this we can beat the representatives of any other state, even giving this state a double head start. At the same time, we are often ready with our own feet, and especially with words to trample into the mud those who were called the main heroes of Russian sports yesterday: the same Kovalchuk with Ovechkin and other hockey players. Like, well, look at them - utter lack of will. That would be Valery Kharlamov in their place - he would not allow himself that ... But now, unfortunately, there is no such person in the world hockey as USSR team number XXUMX, there are no such triples who have played together for years, bringing sportsmanship to incredible heights. Yes, they are not, but so in this regard, this Russian team to stop playing hockey, and its fans, that is, you and I, finally become limp, start to sprinkle ashes on the head and be killed under the slogan "not those are the times."

You can, of course, do the same, because it is the easiest option, but it is much harder to try to realize what is happening with Russian hockey today against the background of what was happening to it just yesterday. And yesterday, the current hockey stadiums and the so-called training "boxes" in our country could be counted on the fingers. Just yesterday, in the Sports Palaces, handicraft shoes or Chinese consumer goods fairs were held five times more often than hockey matches. Yesterday, at least in the beginning, anyone, at least some talented Russian hockey player, tried to dash abroad (not necessarily in the NHL) - even in a regular club of the second Finnish or Swedish hockey league in order to get more or less decent wages for his work. Yesterday, there was no talk about the development of children's sports schools in our country, since not every coach could afford to train young shoots on voluntary grounds due to the fact that he and his family needed something to eat ... After the collapse The USSR, our entire sport (not only hockey) was precisely in such a state of fainting.

No joke to say: the Russian team did not become the world champion in hockey 15 years (from 1993 to 2008 year). Starting from 2007, the Russian hockey squad, led by various coaches, was able to win 1 bronze, 1 silver and 3 gold at the world championships. How quickly, however, the bad is forgotten, and how quickly we managed to get used to the good. After the fabulous victories of the Russian national hockey team at the World Cup last year, when our hockey players literally did not leave a stone on a stone from their rivals, naturally, we wanted to repeat that success. I also wanted it because the country was shown, in the framework of a feature film, the titanic work of Soviet hockey players and coaches, their continued focus on winning.

But you need to be realistic. Even the inimitable national team of the Soviet Union had its own failures, which we, as well as common people, try not to remember. To understand this, it is enough to plunge into the hockey history sample of the late sixties, when the truly stellar national team of the USSR (world and Olympic champions) with a crushing score of 2: 8 lost in a friendly match of the Canadian team in Ottawa in January 1968. There were 1: 5 from the same Canadians in December 1969. There were against the background of the first Super Series against Canadians shown in Nikolai Lebedev’s film, won by Soviet hockey players with an 7: 3 score, very painful defeats from the same Canadians and in the same Super Series. But so what, someone then said that Kharlamov was merging the game, or the Tretyak in the team was clearly superfluous ... If there were such people, then they were extremely distant from the sport, and they turned their attention solely to the result imprinted on scoreboard

That is why far from the best performance of the Russians at the hockey championship should not be put up as a kind of scarecrow for themselves. Of course, one should draw appropriate conclusions from a major defeat, but these conclusions should be made, first of all, by those who are at the helm of the national team and this team is included, and not by those who are used to diagnosing Russian sports, lounging in a chair with a bottle of beer ...

In this regard, it is somewhat strange how some of our publications with little-explained savoring continue to throw mud at the Russian hockey players. We will cite just a few quotes from a number of our valiant media.

The newspaper "Headlines" from somewhere extracted material that says: 3 defeat: 8 is the biggest defeat of Russian hockey.

Obviously, the authors who prepared this text are not familiar with the history of national hockey, or simply want to make a sensation, taking advantage of the fact that not all fans are familiar with the historical results of individual matches between the national teams of the USSR and Russia.

The publication "Soviet Sport" writes that those who did (about the Russia-USA game) saw their cheeks burned with shame, and some even began to hurt themselves against the Russian national team.
“A lot of players failed. But the fear is that there is no one to replace them. You can continue to pray to the gods of Ovechkin, Kovalchuk, Datsyuk, Malkin, Radulov. But it seems that behind them there is a black void. ”
- sums up the author P. Lysenkov.

Well, what can I say ... If the author of the column began to ache against his national team, knowing (or not realizing) that something was wrong on the ice, then as a fan, forgive me, the price is worthless. We have to agree that it is difficult to drive your team forward when 3: 7 or 3: 8 scores, but declaring that it was necessary to hurt against her is at least unsportsmanlike - especially since it is written by a journalist from the Soviet Sport newspaper ...

Other publications continued the verbal beating of the Russian hockey players, despite the fact that the hockey players themselves appreciated their own game in extremely tough form, asking for forgiveness from the fans.

Yes - it hurts, yes - humiliating, but the same hockey story teaches both hockey players and fans that one lost match is not the end of Russian hockey. And in order to understand this and understand the situation, it is enough to turn back, shake it up and stop practicing self-flagellation. The hockey tournament in Helsinki and Stockholm, and with it the whole sport, does not end ... And the Russian hockey players themselves, of course, would not hurt to reconsider the matches of the famous Super Series with Canada more often with the film about Valery Kharlamov and Anatolia Tarasov.
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  1. +63
    20 May 2013 08: 02
    Again they dragged politics. Be easier. Everyone who played hockey knows that this is a team game and everything depends on the teamwork of the team. If the team is not played, then the super players will not help, as we observe.
    1. +12
      20 May 2013 08: 26
      Quote: zart_arn
      Again they dragged politics.
      Alas, any failure of something Russian causes a political resonance. And some of us are happy to join in, pour a bit of slop.
      Yes, what happened in a particular game is simply not explainable, but it did. Yes, and in general the championship turned out to be a kind of surprise for many. It’s only that the Czechs or Canadians left at the same stage as they did not cause such mourning in these countries. And the tragedy in that they don’t see. We just don’t like ourselves, we are used to being winners, even in our own eyes and we absolutely do not suffer defeats.
      1. +31
        20 May 2013 08: 53
        Quote: domokl
        Only here the departure at the same stage of the Czechs or Canadians did not cause such mourning in these countries. And tragedy is not seen there.

        So I don’t understand that such a terrible thing happened? is it a departure or account?
        Well, if in the departure itself, then the Canadians also flew in 1/4 like us, and I know only two hockey superpowers - this is us and Canada.
        Well, they didn’t win this time, they won next time. Hockey in Russia is strong! as though some liberal mongrels would not like it and there is no need to politicize the game. And last year, the winners of the World Cup and in past years showed not bad results, but they did not always win prizes, because if the winner is known in advance, then what kind of game would it be?
        This is a game - and WE ARE SUPPORT FOR OURS !! Hurray RUSSIA !!
        Hockey players - well done men! We look forward to success at the next World Cup.
        Fans - love the howling country and your game ... I am ashamed of the whiners, crying about the bad game, but not ashamed of the game of hockey players, never ashamed (but for the players ...)
        1. +4
          20 May 2013 09: 32
          Quote: We refund_SSSR
          So I don’t understand that such a terrible thing happened? is it a departure or account?
          It seems to me that the fact is that for some reason we are projecting that Kharlamov period of hockey for our time. And we do not give the right to mistakes for ours, according to old memory. But if you look at any hockey league and everything will become clear, the players will tell everyone their names for himself. Hockey began to level off.
        2. +7
          20 May 2013 09: 50
          I’ll fix it a bit, the next ones will be the Sochi 2014 Olympic Games! Here our ours must show themselves in full glory!
        3. +9
          20 May 2013 10: 08
          And I agree with Mikhail Nikolayevich Zadornov, who wrote in his blog that this time our team "Did not play for the Motherland" and that says it all, here is the link to the note itself: http://mzadornov.livejournal.com/108919.html , where he writes about the reasons for this situation in our sport, not only in hockey ...
          1. Gari
            +3
            20 May 2013 10: 24
            Quote: Andrey57
            And I agree with Mikhail Nikolayevich Zadornov, who wrote in his blog that this time our team "Did not play for the Motherland" and that says it all, here is the link to the note itself: http://mzadornov.livejournal.com/108919.html , where he writes about the reasons for this situation in our sport, not only in hockey.


            Did last year mean play-dear?
            1. +1
              20 May 2013 19: 30
              Quote: Gari
              Quote: Andrey57
              And I agree with Mikhail Nikolayevich Zadornov, who wrote in his blog that this time our team "Did not play for the Motherland" and that says it all, here is the link to the note itself: http://mzadornov.livejournal.com/108919.html , where he writes about the reasons for this situation in our sport, not only in hockey.


              Did last year mean play-dear?

              Compare with our football players! They definitely didn’t go out to die for their homeland! Remember the game with the Finns: they pulled it out and won! They were ready to die but to do it! Or maybe it’s the coach?
          2. +2
            20 May 2013 12: 25
            Whose cow would moo, and Zadornovskaya would be silent. He lives in the Baltic states, and blames others for unpatriotism. Comedian in a word ....
            1. 0
              21 May 2013 10: 41
              Quote: dima1970
              Whose cow would mumble, but Zadornovskaya was silent ... Comedian in a word ....

              Have you tried these words to yourself? Shame on you.
            2. F117
              0
              22 May 2013 18: 37
              Although he lives in the Baltic states, he was born in the USSR. And compared with most domestic politicians, I would call him a patriot of both the Soviet Union and the Russian Federation. And even more so as a brave man, because not everyone will decide to do so since he openly expresses what he thinks. And much more is hidden under the mask of humor than it seems at first glance ... In every joke there is only a fraction of the joke - this is exactly about him
        4. +1
          20 May 2013 12: 19
          Quote: We refund_SSSR
          This is a game - and WE ARE SUPPORT FOR OURS !! Hurray RUSSIA !! Hockey players - well done men! we are looking forward to success at the next World Cup. Fans - love the howling country and your game ... I’m ashamed of the whiners, crying about the bad game, but not ashamed of the game of hockey players, never ashamed (but for the players ...)

          It’s one thing when they don’t condemn and the teams REALLY HONESTLY fight for victory.
          Another thing is when the result is moderated and the players have to break themselves and play with pants filled with manure and then "justify", "fantasize" for the result.
          Russian hockey is not Russian football!
          It is in football that Portugal can "fly" 2006 World Cup. Qualifying tournament. Portugal v Russia 7: 1
          Jokes of fortune have nothing to do with it.
          With respect to all fans, fans and just people. hi
        5. +4
          20 May 2013 14: 21
          Quote: We refund_SSSR
          So I don’t understand that such a terrible thing happened? is it a departure or account?

          In the account, not in the departure, but in the - account. 8 goals for Russia is not excusable.
        6. +5
          20 May 2013 15: 29
          Quote: We refund_SSSR
          So I don’t understand that such a terrible thing happened? is it a departure or account?

          The fact is that many still remember the game of the "red car". With our great hockey traditions, it's kind of uncomfortable to screw up.
          To be honest, I feel more perplexed than resentment. What is happening with Bykov, what is happening with Bellalitdinov. First, we effectively win, give out hopes, and after some time, a deafening failure with a bang. What happens to the team is a mystery. In principle, everyone understood that the composition was not the same as last year. But no one expected this failure. By the way, in 2010, when the Czechs lost in the fight in the final, no one sprinkled ashes on their heads.
        7. +2
          20 May 2013 18: 34
          Quote: We refund_SSSR
          This is a game - and WE ARE SUPPORT FOR OURS !! Hurray RUSSIA !!

          So it’s so, but “it’s insulting, you panim ..., it’s abid.” But once ... The whole family has a TV, we are “sick” ... The stands are chanting “Tretiak, Tretyak !!!” Oh, ours gave "fuck up" rivals. Well, nothing, maybe everything will come back.
        8. +1
          21 May 2013 19: 11
          Quote: We refund_SSSR
          So I don’t understand that such a terrible thing happened? is it a departure or account?

          The point is both. And in a mediocre game. you said correctly zart_arn
          Quote: zart_arn
          Everyone who played hockey knows that this is a team game and everything depends on the teamwork of the team. If the team is not played, then the super players will not help, as we observe.

          Quote: We refund_SSSR
          Well, they didn’t win this time, they won next time.

          Next time it will be in Sochi, and do not let the dog see such a game for all of us. Your protection of our hockey players looks like a disservice. It is better for them to hear the bitter truth from the lips of the fans than the sweet lie. Lose to France, USA, this is not from the series happens. This is already part of the system. This one will lose, an occasion for our leaders to think about, this is what paid sports sections lead to, there are a lot of talents in the yard, but they don’t have a road to sports without BABL. And those who have money for the most part look with their hands from the back seat. And this is not only in hockey, but also in football, biathlon.
        9. 0
          23 May 2013 17: 48
          Quote: We refund_SSSR
          This is a game - and WE ARE SUPPORT FOR OURS !! Hurray RUSSIA !!
          Hockey players - well done men! We look forward to success at the next World Cup.

          That's really RUSSIA - GO!
          And all the mud-drinkers for correctional labor and courses to increase the feeling of patriotism!

          The publication "Soviet Sport" writes that those who did (about the Russia-USA game) saw their cheeks burned with shame, and some even began to hurt themselves against the Russian national team.

          What is this !? Is it all the same that in XNUMX they would start to “root” for the Germans once they “won” and go over to their side ?? All traitors - for a stake!
      2. +3
        20 May 2013 12: 03
        Quote: domokl
        And some of us are happy to join, pour their share of slop.

        Sad but true, this is either from a great love and passion for the sport, or to "spit pleasure" in the souls and wounds of the first category.
        Quote: domokl
        And indeed the championship turned out to be a sort of surprise for many

        I disagree with the "surprises".
        All "gifts" are man-made. (See the posts in the discussed topic: http://topwar.ru/28111-stalina-na-nih-net.html#comment-id-1170015)
        Quote: domokl
        It’s only the departure of Czechs or Canadians at the same stage as they did not cause such mourning in these countries. And they don’t see tragedy there

        These people have long been quietly aware that everything is being sold and bought.

        We all try to live and think according to our conscience for the TRUTH-MOTHER "we cut ourselves".
        HUGE money rules sport, and where the money is there, there is politics.
        Sport in its purest form is extremely rare, and it is recessed.
      3. VAF
        VAF
        +19
        20 May 2013 12: 36
        Quote: domokl
        Yes, what happened in a particular game is simply not explainable, but it happened.


        Alexander, good afternoon!
        you are wrong here in that part that is inexplicable and the second, that for many it was a surprise!
        I explain why:

        1. It is clear to any athlete, even a former athlete, but not a sportsman, that TEAM games, which include HOCKEY, are played primarily by TEAM, and not by a group of professionals pulled from different teams and just a few weeks before the World Cup!

        Further, who understands, everything becomes clear and understandable, ordinary unpreparedness and not teamwork.

        2. Recruiting: this is when our team performed without CENTERFORWARDS ?????? All only Extreme or long or right! About protection in general .. I will not say anything!

        And everyone wanted a miracle from Kovalchuk and Radulov ??? But even they are not GODS and alone ... this is not possible !!!!

        3. The success of the Americans PROGNOSIREUM was completely, because. the coach's quote - "the secret of success is very simple, I form a team, I open the instructional book of the Great Dad of hockey Anatoly Tarasov and ..... everything, up to the extreme letter and punctuation marks and no gag!"

        And that's all ... the result ... 19, 21-year-old "teenagers" kicked ... tsy everyone, and what would happen if the stars really arrived who "hung" at the NHL Finals? Yes, they would have torn everyone into ... rags.

        Here, some forum users complained that after all, they won in the last Championship, so why, nothing ... at the last championship all the leading NHL clubs in which we play flew into the playoffs and therefore 16 people got into the national team (!!! !) here is the result, we are the first, and now ... sorry in ...... !!!

        Therefore, pouring slops on the Russian national team is also not patriotic, but it's just stupid!

        But the trainer and the federation need .... in short, you need to give in the neck and very tight!

        I apologize. If it is messy, but this is my opinion !!!
        1. +1
          20 May 2013 15: 17
          Quote: vaf
          at the last championship, all the leading NHL clubs in which we play flew into the playoffs and therefore 16 people got into the national team (!!!!) that's the result, we are the first, and now ... sorry in ...... !!!

          Sergey.
          You look from whom the Swedish and Swiss national teams are formed.
          Champions, Swedes:
          Goalkeepers: Yunas Enroth (Buffalo), Jacob Markstrom (Florida), Johan Gustafsson (Lulea). Defenders: Staffan Krunvall (Lokomotiv), Henrik Tallinder (“New Jersey”), Eric Gustafsson (“Philadelphia”), Petter Granberg (“Skellefteo”), Johan Fransson (“Lulea”), Tobias Wicklund (Motorist), Elias Felt (“XB-71”), Daniel Rahimi (“Linkoping”).
          Forwards: Gabriel Landescug (Colorado), Louis Ericsson (Dallas), Fredrik Pettersson (Donbass), Niklas Persson (CSKA), Simon Hjalmarsson (Linkoping), Oscar Lindbergh (Skelleftea), Kalle Yernkruk (Brunes), Joel Lundqvist (Frelunda), Jimmy Ericsson (Skellefteo), Dick Axelsson (Perlunda) Arlbrandt (Linkoping), Niklas Danielsson (The Lion), Martin Turnberg (Torpedo), Andreas Jemtin ("XB-71").

          Swiss: http: //ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/
          I didn’t specifically make a list of the players of this SUPER-MEGA team here, everyone who is interested, let them see with their own eyes.
          Quote: vaf
          I apologize. If it is messy, but this is my opinion !!!

          It's right!
          Everyone has their own DISSENTING opinion, only "then or before" they start waving yatagans. wink
          1. 0
            20 May 2013 17: 47
            in the Swedish national team on this list there are 6 nhl-sheep. in the Swiss national team even less. what does it say?
            By the way, where are the Sedin brothers? who made the Swedes champions
        2. +1
          20 May 2013 17: 30
          I agree with the position in general, but why did we play without centers? Everything was not so bad in this matter. how centers played, this is the second question.
          about the defense, again not very happy. but meanwhile we have a very bad selection.
          all this is not based on this particular championship, but judging by the statistics and the game of each player during the current and previous seasons.
          here you are wrong
          1. VAF
            VAF
            +2
            20 May 2013 18: 09
            Quote: Gleb
            but why did we play without centers?


            Dear Gleb, because there was not a single center-forward in the national team, otherwise. that Kovalchuk and Radulov changed from time to time and ran to "substitute" .. the result is visible!

            a good selection is for Swedes-1st place, Swiss-2nd place (pancake country, smaller than Rostov region), Americans-3rd place ..... all the rest, as you say with "good" selection-suitcase-station-homeland , with nervous smoking in the vestibule!

            For any competition, any rank must be prepared in advance-OFP, game. specialized field training and TEAM !!!

            Everything, they didn’t come up with another way!

            And single stars do not save ... in any sports. where is Barca ... right ... well ... ne, because two German TEAMs came out !!!
            1. +2
              20 May 2013 18: 21
              Sergei had no time today. I’ll run away. But look at the line-up, Anisimov is a bad center? Kovalchuk? Power retinues, besides, Popov, though not clean, can play very competently both in the center and on the left edge, Tereshchenko should not prove his point to our eyes viability, because in both the regular season and at the championships he plays a lot. Kuznetsov. these are the best for today. (of course there are questions about Shchipachev and Tikhonov, well, there are minuses too)
              so look who played today and last year, what's the difference in performance? our centers are world-class masters and if you take France or Switzerland, then who will say that they have better centers?
              1. VAF
                VAF
                +1
                20 May 2013 19: 22
                Quote: Gleb
                Sergey once today

                Gleb, yes, I’m almost at the same exit .., but I’ll answer.
                I agree with a lot in your post, but ... Anisimov Center, but to put it mildly, I could not cope with its tasks.
                Kovalchuk? He’s been left all his life and in New Jersey he plays only left!
                Popov may, but did not play.
                I can’t say anything about Tereshchenko, at the World Championships it flew WHAT_TO is simply a super center, what now ???? Again, in my opinion the question is only for the trainers!
                And even transferring him to Radulov and Kovalchuk ... practically nothing happened!
                The suites are the same .. misunderstandings, lactions, well, I think it's just youth and a lack of joint training!

                Therefore, I do not "blame" the players, but only express my dissatisfaction with the actions of the Coaching staff!

                And in general, the attitude to the preparation of the TEAM !!! + drinks
        3. 0
          20 May 2013 21: 30
          Quote: vaf
          But the trainer and the federation need .... in short, you need to give in the neck and very tight!

          I greet you, Sergey. I used to be a professional athlete too. I’m not in team form. Therefore, I understand you. But somehow at the training camp, then CSKA asked the players after the loss, Why? You’re stronger ... You know what you answered ? The ball is round and everything happens ... And we play better and more skillfully, but the ball does not fly into the goal ...
          Why do we, more precisely, excuse me, last year we yelled at Urya! We are the most and our players are hockey geniuses ... but it was worth losing, or rather not becoming world champions (and we weren't them a long time ago) and everyone became goats and almost traitors to the motherland ..
      4. 0
        20 May 2013 14: 48
        Quote: domokl
        Yes, what happened in a particular game is simply not explainable, but it happened.

        It’s good, but simply, humanly, to apologize to the citizens of your country? After all, whose uniform are they wearing? Or is it just in the jurisdiction? And feelings, feelings, involvement in the country?
        Personally, I don’t need anything from them, but is it really difficult to just look into the eyes of the people?
        However, what to expect from the Ivanes who do not remember kinship.
        1. +1
          20 May 2013 21: 37
          Quote: dark_65
          It’s good, but just humanly apologizing to the citizens of their country
          Did you understand what you wrote? The players after losing in the terrible diplomatic regiment ... What apologies? Now we’ve arrived, everything will settle down a bit and there will be interviews and probably apologies ...
          You, the fan were shocked .. And how hockey players? Or do you really think that they SPECIALLY blew?
          Last year, the heroes, now scum and traitors to the country ... It sounds vile ...
      5. 0
        20 May 2013 21: 21
        so that's the game, did we lose the war? in my opinion, the liberals just had an occasion to say a word about Russia and that’s all, and we must be critical of such indignant statements and publications.
      6. Borodko
        0
        21 May 2013 16: 30
        Keep it simple
    2. +10
      20 May 2013 08: 47
      Without politics, there is no way)))
      The team is a team, but there still a lot depends on the coach, the methods of selecting players, what "nasty" they are fed before the match)))
      You shouldn't shift all the blame on the Guys, although for the future "tone" it may be worth "thickening" the colors)))

      What is it about Hockey We))), let's remember Football !!!
      We can’t win. WHY? We don’t know how to run? Maybe the Slavs cannot play as a team? But they won in hockey !!! This is a battle !!! Yes Game, but this is rivalry (on the verge of a foul))
      After all Slavs all Wars won!?!Honest in terms of military))))
      We lose only when they begin to select "players" for our team
      We look at the composition of the modern government ...
      look at the composition of the federations))))
      Leadership is the root of the problem (in the Team Game)))
      Therefore, "We" fucked up the country ...
      Treat each "game" intelligibly, draw conclusions, build YOUR strategy ...
      1. +4
        20 May 2013 09: 04
        Let's remember the last World Cup and what place was occupied by our team and who was the coach ...
        And then we’ll think about whether all the time to put only one game or take risks and bring to the field a younger, updated roster?
        Of course take a chance! Otherwise, overnight, you may be out of work and without hope of success. So do all the teams in all countries of the world. And many teams lose at the risk of risk, but someone means inevitably wins.
        This applies to the composition of teams and tactics and equipment and power, and in general magnetic disturbances in the noo-sphere!
        But it is not necessary to bring down everything on the Trainer and the leadership and make absolution punishment!
        It's a game! And you can interfere with politics and boxing only in the Verkhovna Rada and fist fights for a mandate, but in Russia, let’s sport separately and politics separately.

        Well, you don’t have to mix hockey and football either ... Canadians are not stars in football either, just like the British with Italians, Spaniards and Brazilians in hockey. hi You have to be more consistent.
      2. VAF
        VAF
        +2
        20 May 2013 12: 40
        Quote: Asgard
        Team by team, but there still depends a lot on the coach, methods for selecting players


        Vladimir! Only +!
        I apologize for not going down the feed and reading your post, so mine came out as a clean repeat of yours, only more detailed and specific!

        In all other respects, always and completely AGREE! +! drinks
      3. Borodko
        0
        21 May 2013 16: 36
        Keep it simple
    3. fortunophile
      +9
      20 May 2013 08: 56
      Individually, our players are a cut above the class of players of other teams, but the team did not work out, that's the result. Ovechkin arrives, cannot train (lost luggage), but enters the game and cannot show anything. We are used to betting on our legionnaires, wondering if they will be released from clubs and always find ourselves in a state of uncertainty (they will come, they will not come) and with unplayed fives. I think it is necessary to focus on those who play in Russian clubs hi
      It’s scary to watch such a rout before the Olympics, but can it mobilize?
      1. 0
        20 May 2013 09: 36
        Quote: fortuneophile
        Individually, our players are a cut above the class of players of other teams
        Half of the teams are staffed just like us .. KHL, NHL. Therefore, the game became difficult. Everyone knows that everyone played against everyone or everyone played. And they just crush the stars .. remember the episode with Kovalchuk. They provoked and ultimately exchanged Player to player ...
        1. VAF
          VAF
          +4
          20 May 2013 12: 54
          Quote: domokl
          Half of the teams are staffed just like us.


          Alexander, again WRONG !!!!

          Amer’s hockey (as it used to be with us) develops with DETSVA, all players are tracked and then several teams of future teams are created from them already in the early stages (for children, boys and juniors).
          All these teams constantly travel and participate in all championships, so players from an early age already know and understand each other!

          Remember the principle of recruiting the USSR National Team by the Greatest Coach Atanoly Tarasov and his principle of “recruiting” CSKA.

          And what we see now ...... but nothing ... one loot, as in football!

          After all, I hope it’s not a secret for you that KNL in finance takes the second place after the NHL?

          So what to do "discounts" on the fact that there are no fields. There is no inventory, there is no that, this .... everything is there, but the teams, because of the wrong, in my opinion, coaching approach, unfortunately no.

          Not every professional player can be a coach, unfortunately!

          Remember why. When Tarasov and Gomelskiy were there. Turchin no questions arose ... they fought everybody in both the tail and the mane "!!
          1. +1
            20 May 2013 16: 29
            Quote: vaf
            And what we see now ...... but nothing ... one loot, just like in football! After all, I hope it’s not a secret for you that KNL is second in finances after the NHL?

            Categorically true and shake my hand! ++++++++++++
            International tournaments are mirrored.
            Now the individual contracts of the players of the prize-winning three will become significantly more significant.
            1. VAF
              VAF
              0
              20 May 2013 18: 23
              Quote: Papakiko
              Categorically true and shake my hand!


              Mutually drinks and +!

              Because I know (or rather familiar) this "kitchen" from the inside!

              I will not describe how to paint, but imagine a picture ... "yard box" and we, 16-18-year-old boys, are all on skates with a chute, boots with ears, with banana sticks Toronto 2000, Kono is no longer prestigious , not to mention MEFSI with fiber and T-shirts of Toronto Maple Leafs, Boston Bruins and Chikakogo Black Hawes and this in 1969 (!!!!)

              And it’s strange, that’s why nobody plundered, didn’t rape, didn’t rip earrings from his ears, didn’t do gop-stop, about alcoholism.

              Where did everything go ???? That's it .... HERE !!!
              1. VAF
                VAF
                +1
                20 May 2013 19: 28
                Quote: vaf
                with banana sticks Toronto 2000


                Damn, the old one has already become, I completely forgot for Artis, the same cool "sticks" were!
                I can tell you the technique how from the Soviet stick, using a planer, large-cell fiberglass, epoxy, a stool and an iron and two dumbbells of 5 and 8 kg, a pretty decent "banana" was made, however, when the mother was not at home, because the iron was sweat very badly otchischalsya. The smell in the apartment was not conveyed and the neck could be "snatched" at once! wink
          2. +1
            20 May 2013 21: 23
            Quote: vaf
            Amer’s hockey (as it used to be with us) develops with CHILDREN, all players are tracked
            alas, sergey, but you don’t know much about hockey cuisine. In Russia, hockey is now, like most sports games, and sections in general. It’s quite an elite occupation. Most parents can’t afford crazy money for uniforms, insurance, transfers.
            That’s why, now every player since childhood on the pencil of coaches. M, believe me, is tracked from and to. This year the Spartak youth completely accidentally reached the final of the Kharlamov Cup. Nobody thought that the team with the 4th goalkeeper would reach the final. And Spartak came out.
            I carefully watched this team (sinful. I love hockey, especially youth). So, the goalkeeper of the Russian national youth team came to the last match ... He just lost the World Cup at his age. As he stood there, a dream .. boy at 16 years old.
            But no luck (really no luck .. the Omsk hawks took the cup out of luck, not the game) He roared like a beluga on ice, and the sick people screamed -Young ... The sick Hawks screamed to the opposing team.
            Sorry for the digression (I remembered the final games), but so ... all the boys of these teams are not just in pencil, they have been in the draft for a long time. And not only in Russia, but also in other countries.
      2. 0
        20 May 2013 15: 31
        Quote: fortuneophile
        Individually, our players are a cut above the class of players of other teams, but the team did not work out

        Before making such conclusions, familiarize yourself with the collection schedules of all the teams and from whom they are formed.
        Quote: fortuneophile
        We are used to betting on our legionnaires, wondering if they will be released.

        Legionnaires have multi-million dollar contracts and they, as GOOD actors, will do what is required of them. Sports are ruled by His Majesty CAPITAL.
        1. +3
          20 May 2013 17: 40
          Quote: Papakiko
          Legionnaires have multi-million dollar contracts and they, as GOOD actors, will do what is required of them. Sports are ruled by His Majesty CAPITAL.

          Why rely on legionnaires? Young people need to be recruited from their clubs and prepare them throughout the year periodically holding team meetings. We have so many unclaimed talents in hockey that there will be 1 applicants for 10st place.
          1. -3
            20 May 2013 17: 50
            You, as a future coach of the national team of the youth name, please voice ??? So that these young people match the style and tactics of the game coach with this team !!
        2. -5
          20 May 2013 17: 48
          I got the impression that all poop casters are ruled by ordinary human envy !!!!! You pay them, you keep them ???????? 100500 times I say the team plays for free !!!!!
    4. w.ebdo.g
      -11
      20 May 2013 09: 01
      there is no sovereignty in the country ...
      1. 0
        20 May 2013 09: 10
        Quote: We refund_SSSR
        So I don’t understand that such a terrible thing happened? is it a departure or account?

        So I don’t understand that they forgot about such persecution of our team after winning last championships, how did Internet hamsters lament that our team is a champion? They had a whole hysteria about this, a common thing. Well, our guys will not cope with this in the first!
    5. +14
      20 May 2013 09: 10
      The picture has already been laid out, I repeat.
      The really important thing is that the trainers draw the appropriate conclusions. Yes, and teamwork is not enough, in the defense we play poorly, but to water for this dirt is somehow low. It's a shame, annoying, but we believe in victory in the next games !!

    6. +3
      20 May 2013 09: 19
      Hello everyone!
      Quote: zart_arn
      Again they dragged politics.

      Here it is! Hockey is a sport and you don't need to politicize everything. Our guys are great anyway and there will still be gold! By the way, all the fans of football CSKA with a victory, and the youthful Russian national football team under 17 became the champion of Europe, only about such good news on the "Military Review" there is nothing request
    7. w.ebdo.g
      -4
      20 May 2013 10: 24
      The Germans were surprised - unknown facts of history

      http://politikus.ru/events/4335-nemcy-byli-udivleny-neizvestnye-fakty-istorii.ht

      ml

    8. -4
      20 May 2013 12: 19
      Ovechkin might not have come at all ... There was no sense from his game. And if you crap one's pants, then you need treatment for diarrhea, and not the weaving of politics! Sincerely.
      1. +6
        20 May 2013 12: 29
        but nothing that he played with a crack in his leg? he has a goal plus a pass for the game. that is, he took part in two goals out of three scored by the Americans
        1. +1
          20 May 2013 16: 52
          +++ from me!
          Ovechkin might not have come at all ... There was no sense from his game.
          And this Hovering comrade was apparently watching SANTA BARBOR at that time. laughing
    9. w.ebdo.g
      0
      20 May 2013 13: 34
      just an interesting fact ...
      May 19, 43 The pilot Shevchenko saw that a wrecked German plane was trying to take off again, landed, killed 1 pilot and captured 2

    10. +9
      20 May 2013 13: 46
      I remember losing to Canada at the Olympic Games in Vancouver, 7: 3 !!!!!!!! It's a shame, it's annoying, ... but there is no desire to humiliate, to offend neither then nor now, and will not !!! This is a game! Didn't work now, it will work next time! This is sport! And the great victory over Canada in 2008 is always remembered !!! The game is a masterpiece !!! And the 2012 championship? - there were no defeats at all !!! And then - "We are the champions! We are the best! Well done guys!" ... and now to trample in the mud? ... sorry, not mine! Well done guys, though disappointed. Looking to the future! We hope, believe, support !!! This is real patriotism !!!
    11. +1
      20 May 2013 14: 40
      If the team is not played, then the super players will not help, as we observe.
      Here I can’t agree with you, teamwork is a big plus, but not the main thing. All the leading teams in the same conditions, everyone declares the NHL players and the real pro is obliged to show a good game in any squad. The Swedish team must take off his hat to the Sedin brothers who did not come to go for a ride and come to plow for their country and the result is said in person .In my opinion, Bill made another mistake. He built the team’s game on Kovalchuk with Radulov and they are not able to lead, are not able to be an example. You look at their game, one narcissism and the desire to collect cream without doing rough work. They scored 2 pucks and because of their mistakes we missed 4. Who would like this arithmetic. The team skeleton should be from other players, look at Ovechkin, this is a plowman flying around the site and bringing the opponent to hysterical diarrhea and it doesn’t matter if he scores or not. The base of the team should be from responsible players who are ready to lie for the victory with bones, but such as Kovalchuk and Radulov should complement. And this time they just corrupted the morale of Andes. hi
      1. +1
        20 May 2013 15: 40
        Quote: piotr534
        built a national team game on Kovalchuk with Radulov

        Stupidity!
        Quote: piotr534
        look at Ovechkin, this is a plowman flying around the site and bringing the opponent to hysterical diarrhea and it doesn’t matter whether he scores or not

        You apparently "follow" all the games of the "Great"?
        Take a look at the stats this season of the NHL at “Great” and remember how he played in the Dynamo KHL.

        Check out the teams of all the teams of the past championship. hi
        1. +2
          20 May 2013 16: 28
          Stupidity!
          None of this is stupid. I played hockey myself and I understand every player’s movement. I see when I’m tired, when I’m injured, when I don’t have the mood to play.
          You apparently "follow" all the games of the "Great"?
          Take a look at the stats this season of the NHL at “Great” and remember how he played in the Dynamo KHL.
          Yes, where does Ovechkin? I mentioned him because he is one of those who, when coming to play for the national team, fulfills 100%. Neither he nor Malkin, nor Datsuk, nor Semin allowed themselves to turn around from the puck and go the other way as Kovalchuk, only because the partner did not understand him. The national team is not a place to show its ambition and discontent, it is necessary to solve common problems together in it. hi
    12. 0
      20 May 2013 18: 58
      This result has nothing to do with the IMHO site, however I will express BYKOV with ZAKHARKIN SO DON'T PROTECT ...

      And with them there was no such disgrace. Hello to Fetisov!
      1. 0
        20 May 2013 19: 04
        Quote: Civil
        And with them there was no such disgrace. Hello to Fetisov!

        But what about Canada-Russia 7: 3?
    13. +1
      20 May 2013 23: 00
      Everything happens in sports. At the last World Cup, we did not suffer a single defeat. And today we are torn. There are no eternal champions in sports, we will win back in Sochi
  2. Septugian
    +21
    20 May 2013 08: 02
    This is our Team, our hockey players, and this is sport, it has periods of victories and periods of defeats! No matter how it is, I am for our hockey players! Victory will still be for us more than once!
    1. +10
      20 May 2013 08: 20
      But how young football players pleased!
      1. +1
        20 May 2013 08: 46
        It would be better if the "adult" footballers were happy.
        For some reason, the higher the league, the worse the game ... Our high-paying stars are starred and don’t want to play and don’t have to win (C)
        1. 0
          20 May 2013 09: 57
          They will grow up, will replace the snickering ones, they will certainly please us. I believe in our children!
    2. vladsolo56
      +2
      20 May 2013 08: 47
      But I don’t agree on one thing, everyone who went to America is not our hockey players anymore. let them play in America and for whom they want, but not for Russia.
      1. +3
        20 May 2013 09: 40
        Quote: vladsolo56
        But I don’t agree on one thing, everyone who went to America is not our hockey players anymore. let them play in America and for whom they want, but not for Russia.
        If you look at the lists of KHL teams, it turns out that half the world is no longer ours for many lol I honestly don’t understand that either. People went not only to play, but also to learn something new. Then they will return with money and experience and will teach our boys.
        1. +2
          20 May 2013 13: 30
          I doubt very much that they will come and teach our boys. And what will they teach? Patriotism? How quickly does one learn to play well and topple with Russia, to please American fans? Not everything is measured by money.
          1. +1
            20 May 2013 13: 34
            Datsuk comes to Yekaterinburg every summer and gives master classes to boys !!!!
          2. 0
            21 May 2013 05: 33
            Quote: vjatsergey
            How quickly does one learn to play well and topple with Russia, to please American fans?
            Every year, several dozens, or maybe hundreds of well-trained players of 22 years are released from the MHL. Of these, only 10 percent fall into the KHL teams (and regardless of the country, be it Russia, Ukraine, Latvia, Belarus or Serbia). go the rest?
            I heard about a dozen stars that had already opened there and became stars there. And how many returned with nothing? The same Perezhogin went and what? He sat on the bench and returned. And in the KHL he is a star.
            So do not put pressure on patriotism. The hockey player’s age is short. And then they are quickly forgotten. Yes, and we have an attitude towards them .. you see yourself. Yesterday there are champions and our pride, and today they are outcasts who insulted the whole country. Tomorrow they will win the Olympics - heroes again, but not all ... Someone will break from such criticism, someone will quit playing, someone will say, I don’t want to be doused with dirt anymore, I won’t go to the national team.
      2. DmitriRazumov
        +3
        20 May 2013 10: 59
        who were called the protagonists of Russian sports yesterday: the same Kovalchuk with Ovechkin and other hockey players.

        It seems to me it's time to abandon the practice of using NHL players. physically and motivationally focused on the NHL championship, use in the national team as the main potential. You can, of course, invite one or two specialists, but only if they can participate in the preparatory camp in Russia, and so on. hone interaction with other teammates, and this is the main thing in hockey. Hockey is a collective game, and if players have not honed their interaction during a long period of training, then such a team is doomed to fail. Tarasov, Tikhonov sought from their wards, along with individual skill and a deep understanding of the tactics and strategy of the team's actions, the feeling of a partner on a subconscious level. All fives were played to such an extent that the players understood their partners literally from half a gesture, half a movement, which provided an advantage in the combination game. This is how Soviet hockey differed from American, this was its indisputable advantage and business card. At the present stage, in connection with the bet on foreign players, it is not clear with what arguments ours are going to defeat strong opponents. Therefore, this defeat is natural. But there are a lot of talented guys in the KHL. indeed, it is possible to make a good team even without reliance on legionnaires. We do not need NHL stars, we need those who will win!
        1. 0
          20 May 2013 11: 04
          Tell me at least one played link from the KHL, except for a bunch of Popov-Perezhogin ??? You can’t understand everything, that the KHL championship will not be stopped for the sake of national teams and leading players from clubs for the sake of training for the national team, no one will let go of the club!
          1. DmitriRazumov
            -2
            20 May 2013 14: 49
            Quote: avant-garde
            You can’t understand everything, that the KHL championship will not be stopped for the sake of national teams and leading players from clubs for the sake of training for the national team, no one will let go of the club!


            The GDP will tell and what kind of players it is necessary to let go of training camps to prepare the national team, and even without a squeak.
            1. 0
              20 May 2013 17: 36
              complete nonsense !!!
        2. -2
          20 May 2013 17: 12
          We do not need NHL stars, we need those who will win!
          You, here are pouring stamps without any orientation in the essence of the issue. There was no team at this championship and both the coaches and the players were to blame. The fact that they prepared mediocre and played for fucking ... this is evident with an unarmed look. hi
      3. +2
        20 May 2013 13: 22
        so I think so, and also after all, the players of the family in America have signed contracts there and why should they give all the best for Russia. Yes, and I admit that they can come up and say - if you win, you may have problems in America. And you can even bathe down to the pillar - you don’t stand there, you have the wrong connections, you buzz at the wrong time ...
        1. 0
          20 May 2013 13: 32
          We’ll run a short run: 2008 World Cup Canada scored by I. Kovalchuk, World Cup 2011 2013 Canada scored the goal by Canada I. Kovalchuk 8 statistics I. Kovalyuchuk 8 games, XNUMX goals, question do you need this player of the Russian national team ???? If only the statistics and coefficient of utility of players from the NHL look then write !!!
      4. танк
        +1
        20 May 2013 13: 23
        You do not forget that half of the best players in the world play in our clubs, for example, the best scorer of the last World Cup Petri Cantiola (Finn) plays in the Chelyabinsk tractor, I generally trudge from the comments of amateurs who have never played sports in life wink
    3. +6
      20 May 2013 09: 27
      Quote: Septugian
      it is a sport, it has periods of victories and periods of defeat
      Of course, this is just a game, the sun has not gone out, life goes on, now, there was only SOVIET Hockey, where our hockey players have always been champions or prize-winners. They beat them, condemned them, but they won! Because the spirit was different, the moral is different. They played for POWER, not for loot. That’s the whole explanation.
    4. Gari
      +1
      20 May 2013 10: 04
      Quote: Septugian
      This is our Team, our hockey players, and this is sport, it has periods of victories and periods of defeats! No matter how it is, I am for our hockey players! Victory will still be for us more than once!

      That's right, there will be a victory
      1. +4
        20 May 2013 12: 52
        Still to come. wink
        1. 0
          21 May 2013 04: 32
          My question is: for which team RUSSIAN fans hold a poster with an inscription in ENGLISH?
          1. 0
            21 May 2013 05: 43
            it would be strange to convince ourselves that the red car is back. It is naturally written in the international language so that millions of people around the world can read it
  3. +17
    20 May 2013 08: 03
    I will quote and agree with Hard Ingushetiya:
    Guys! Sometimes it happens that you do everything you can, but it does not go. You are well done anyway. We are proud of you. You fought, tried, but lost. This means nothing. We are all sure that you cannot be broken. Thank you for your game and for what you do. Special thanks to Ilya Kovalchuk, who knocked out the Finn, insistently demanding that he be given in the face. Once they gave him, he thought that was not enough. Not very athletic behavior from Ilya, but very correct. This is ours.

    In short, men, do not be discouraged, gather yourself in a fist and move on. If I had such an opportunity, I would go to meet you at the airport to tell you personally the words of support. When you win, we are happy. When you lose, we grit our teeth together. It is annoying, insulting, terrible, but the country is always with you. Thank you for the game. We will always be proud of you, we will always share with you the joy of victory and the bitterness of defeat.

    Just go out and play as you can. Defend the gate as if there is no goalkeeper, do not count on a friend, but remember that your friend can always count on you. But the main thing is to listen to the coach, because you win, but he loses. Thank you again. Hold on. We are with you.

    PS: Kovalchuk! The country is waiting for your tears again. Like in 2008 ...
  4. +8
    20 May 2013 08: 11
    Anyway, Russian hockey is one of the best, with a rich and glorious history.
    First of all, hockey players criticized themselves and apologized to the fans, not like all sorts of arshavins after Euro 2012.
    Secondly, it’s not always possible to win, this happens, look at the Champions League this year, which is real, that the leopard is not in the final.
    And finally, you can fall into a puddle and sit there offended, blaming everyone and everything, but it is better to get to your feet after the fall, recover and move on. I think hockey players will still please with their victories and overcome all difficulties because - real men play hockey!
    1. +2
      20 May 2013 08: 29
      Quote: bazilio
      Anyway, Russian hockey is one of the best, with a rich and glorious history.
      And you can’t argue ... We have good hockey players and interesting hockey. And the winning or losing puck is round, no one knows how it will behave today and what will be at the finish
    2. +1
      20 May 2013 08: 44
      Vasily, good morning, comrade! Remember when Russia became the world champion, how it was discussed in our country and this in Uzbekistan! Everyone congratulated and everyone talked about it. No one argues that Russia has the best team, but! the most "top" players are in the Russian national team! After all, it is the Russian players in the NHL who earn the most. It turns out a question of discipline, responsibility has not yet been resolved. Before the game with the Americans, the arrival of Ovechkin was closely discussed, and why is he not with the national team since the beginning of the championship? there is already a question for the hockey federation itself ...
      1. 0
        20 May 2013 09: 59
        Quote: Gentleman
        Basil, good morning comrade!

        Good morning comrade !!
        Here, in addition to responsibility and discipline, there is also a financial issue. In the NHL, you can earn more money, so hockey players want to go there, they can be understood in this.

        Quote: Gentleman
        when Russia became the world champion, as it was discussed in our country and this is in Uzbekistan! everyone congratulated and everyone talked about it


        Yes, we were happy as if they were our own.
      2. +1
        20 May 2013 10: 22
        Quote: Gentleman
        . Ovechkin’s arrival was closely discussed before the game with the Americans, but why hasn’t he been with the national team since the start of the championship? there is already a question for the hockey federation itself ...

        How his Nkhlov team lost and arrived
  5. +1
    20 May 2013 08: 15
    In this regard, it is somewhat strange how some of our publications with little-explained savoring continue to throw mud at the Russian hockey players. We will cite just a few quotes from a number of our valiant media.

    What's so strange about that? In fact, nothing has changed since the 90s. These same, so to speak, the media, stuff themselves a rating among the screaming part of the population with stuffing about "all-propolipolymers" and "polish the girls", instead of soberly analyzing.
    It is enough to see how much howling and screaming, including Russophobian, is on the blogs of these same media.
  6. +1
    20 May 2013 08: 18
    What do you want? Evaluation - based on the results!
  7. +1
    20 May 2013 08: 20
    I understand everything and agree with the previous comments, but still very offensive. To have SUCH professionals, to pay them big money, for that ... I don’t even know what to call it, but it’s definitely not a game, but SERVING THE ROOM, I'm sorry but very offensive, especially when you compare them with the USSR team, which of course had their own misses, but it was still clear that she was trying, but modern .... Maybe it’s worth introducing some penalties, because someone is to blame ...
  8. Fox
    0
    20 May 2013 08: 21
    well purged, so what? it happens ... but it’s only a natural result of many years of sports discrimination. Remember the Tolyatti LADA! the team was simply destroyed on a far-fetched pretext. They forced the games to be shut down Muscovites (talking to the players), the sports schools closed quickly, the trainers were dispersed ... now where is the youth to get hockey? it’s expensive. They did what they wanted in the USSR. So, they didn’t have anything to drive the guys, they played as they could. Just ask yourself a question: WHAT I DID FOR THE COUNTRY?
  9. Gur
    +3
    20 May 2013 08: 23
    I don’t know how anyone, of course it’s very disappointing for the loss, but I personally do not say that all Russian hockey has died, although the experience acquired by our hockey players from the NHL is more harmful to us than good, and we lost our game. And if the author writes that the Soviet Legends have been playing for years, why not create triples from the players who played in their teams? If our NHL stars do not have time to skate, and where is our youth who played great in Canada? Why not make one of the five young talents? So, there are a lot of questions, the media may not be so strong and wrong, but they also know how to bend the stick. They, too, like in hockey, were lugging around in the west, now that this is not an article, it’s a sensation, that it’s not a number, it’s a catastrophe, you won’t see a normal analysis.
    1. 0
      20 May 2013 08: 52
      Quote: GUR
      I don’t know who how, of course it’s a shame for losing ....

      Well, this is a natural and normal reaction of any adequate citizen.
      It would be strange if it were different, what can be observed in the above blogs of some online media. Now this is really, very mildly speaking, a strange reaction.
  10. 0
    20 May 2013 08: 23
    Quote: treskoed
    What do you want? Evaluation - based on the results!

    Here are just an assessment of the clogging of our team should not be confused! The assessment is understandable, although it’s probably unsuccessful only for the result, you don’t know what conclusions the coaching staff made and which of these conclusions will be the results in Sochi! Of these defeats, we won the most valuable experience that will help us at the Olympics. Go Russia!!!!
    1. +1
      20 May 2013 10: 02
      If the schoolchild or student has not completed the assignment, he gets unsuccessful! And then what conclusions will be drawn and get results - we will evaluate later. So it is here. With hope for the right conclusions and good results!
  11. +5
    20 May 2013 08: 24
    I don’t understand hockey as much as a boy does not understand the end of the 60's, the beginning of the 70's, it’s clear that the last century.
    We did not go to church; for us, the street spill of the boys, Tarasov was a god.
    Hockey sticks were made from fir trees thrown out after the New Year holidays, pucks were stolen at the RTI factory.
    USSR - Canada, 1972 year.
    We knew our own. But they also learned about Phil Esposito (or so) and, holding their breath, squinted at His microcontracts with Alexander Ragulin.
    After more than forty years, the feeling that our guys fought as border guards defending the borders of their only homeland does not pass in 1972.
    What are today's athletes fighting for?
    1. Gari
      +3
      20 May 2013 10: 17
      And the USSR national team of the 80s
      impenetrable Tretyak,
      and a great five -
      Kasatonov, Krutov, Makarov, Larionov, Fetisov
      and coach Tikhonov, like his grandfather joked Tikhonov, put on his coat, everyone can’t help but win,
      how we were sick with friends, and then on the pavement we played hockey though with a ball, southern town
      where they didn’t see snow.
    2. 0
      20 May 2013 11: 38
      for the same thing, just this time it did not work out as it happens. we like everything at the extremes or we tear each and every one or we can’t merge epic in another way)) this is strong) Kovalchuk did a great job that we don’t have to joke with our guys, we can also turnips)) if you remember in those super series suffered from dentistry from Canada, and then they said play as you want and ours also began to give back .. Canada didn’t think enough)))
  12. posad
    +3
    20 May 2013 08: 25
    There is no talk of any politics or bullying. Collective psychosis about herd sports is time to stop.
    The country must focus on mass sport for all age categories and on the development of martial arts.
    Just look at how much football players get. There are no brains, in principle, and they choose the same wives for themselves. And at this time we have a lot of social problems due to underfunding. Yes, the clubs are private, but the money then goes there. At the expense of them, an entire army of parasites feeds. Private club - and live on your money. They have nothing to do with Russia. Especially if you look at the composition of the players. Stop being in the heat of mass psychosis. Although it cannot be called massive, a huge number of people neither watch hockey nor football. It's time to change focus
  13. +6
    20 May 2013 08: 27
    The greatest Soviet commentator Nikolai Ozerov said correctly: "We don't need this kind of hockey !!!" And I completely agree with him. The French can lose to the “paddling pool”, well, the Finns can still have a minimum score. But the young newly formed US team, and even with such a shameful score, is really a shame. Only our players play worse. Excuses alone.
  14. ed65b
    +2
    20 May 2013 08: 27
    And more young players win the KHL.
    And unlike the players who scored on the fans, our hockey players look like real men. we are with you. All ahead. And Sochi gold will remain at home. and silver and bronze will be taken away by Belarus and Kazakhstan.
  15. +1
    20 May 2013 08: 28
    In fact, for me the most shameful defeat of our World Cup team was in 76g. (in Katowice). Managed to lose to Poland 4: 6 (if memory did not disappoint). That was YESAA ... No Kharlamovs helped. The reason for the current failure is clear to the layman as well - unconfigured. Those. lack of attention. Before the game, I did not gather, did not concentrate, did not lose all my possible actions in the brain - everything. You can’t get together in the game. And the competition in hockey is very strong now. The Swedes won barely barely from the Swiss in the finals took their feet. Good luck to the team at the Olympics! Victory will be ours !!
  16. pinecone
    +2
    20 May 2013 08: 33
    There is no tragedy here, but professional players and sport dealers are clearly stuck. There is only one worthwhile practice of buying and selling athletes.
  17. Regis
    +6
    20 May 2013 08: 35
    The performance of the team, if not cool, shameful. Here and the defeat of the French on Victory Day and the defeat of the American youth. The main problem is that we did not lose because the opponent played well, but because we played poorly. Now the main thing is to draw conclusions from the defeat and not repeat the previous mistakes at the Olympics. Well, to true fans to believe and support our unexpectedly stumbled winners!
  18. 0
    20 May 2013 08: 37
    I don’t give a damn that I lost at the World Cup. Make the main Olympiad. And losing at the World Cup is not the command's insistence, but not its teamwork and slackness, they decided that the French were loshki, so they got it in the face, which is why it turned sour.
  19. -1
    20 May 2013 08: 38
    The article is a definite plus. No, the guys still show themselves, arrange for them all that everyone around will cry for an explosion.
  20. 0
    20 May 2013 08: 42
    losing is not a test yet, testing is slop poured after losing, if they pass this test they will certainly become even stronger
  21. +1
    20 May 2013 08: 44
    thanks to the author for the article, it’s really disgusting to read how our guys are being poured with mud for failure, although yesterday they carried it on their hands for victory. Good is quickly forgotten.
  22. vladsolo56
    0
    20 May 2013 08: 46
    I want to say about the Russian team. It seems to me that only the stupid one does not understand, a man went to America to play hockey, in fact he is no longer a Russian, his interests are above the interests of Russia. So find convincing arguments that this person will play honestly and fully laid out, or rather work for Russia. Hockey team game. Imagine the situation, the championship of Russia guys give all the best, deserve the right to play in the team of the country in which they grew up, in which they live, but the leadership decides differently instead of our players call on legionnaires. Well, I can’t believe that our athletes who live and work in Russia are so glad to welcome foreign players. Arrived, star, well, show me what star you are. It can not be? quite, we are all human. In general, until the national team gathers in Russia, and not around the world, there will be no sense. This is of course my personal opinion, but at least it is logical.
    1. +1
      20 May 2013 12: 43
      Quote: vladsolo56
      vladsolo56

      You are wrong if everything was as you say, we would not have champion titles and our guys have proved it more than once and it makes no difference whether you play in the NHL or not, we’ll tear everyone to pieces in the Olympics!
      1. vladsolo56
        0
        20 May 2013 14: 17
        There is such a clever saying: don't say gop until you jump over. wait and see. If legionnaires from abroad are invited again, then there will again be a drain.
        1. +1
          20 May 2013 14: 25
          Quote: vladsolo56
          . If legionnaires from abroad are invited again, then there will again be a drain.

          They will definitely be there to harm you laughing and to the delight of our fans! good
  23. +5
    20 May 2013 08: 48
    I won’t say about politics. But if the team failed the game and caught 8 goals - thanks for it is definitely not worth it. World Cup - not a passing game in the offseason. So the negativity is well deserved. Although it brings to the point of absurdity certainly not worth it. But conclusions must be made.
    And by the way, personal opinion. Why did you get the idea of ​​a banal drain. Why, why, and how? - I do not know. But looking at the torment of the team, I just could not find another reason for this ... skating.
    I am mistaken? Quite. And then what did the team do on the ice?
  24. +1
    20 May 2013 08: 50
    Quote: vladsolo56
    It seems to me that only a dumb person doesn’t understand, a man went to America to play hockey, in fact he is no longer a Russian

    From your logic it follows that all the legionnaires playing in our league Russians ????

    Quote: vladsolo56
    So find convincing arguments that this person will play honestly and fully laid out

    Look at the statistics of our NHL players at the World Cup and see the arguments!
    1. vladsolo56
      +1
      20 May 2013 08: 55
      statistics? Well, where is the result? or statistics per se, the result per se. As for the players of the Russian league, not all Russians, I just won’t believe that it is impossible to assemble a team worthy of a national team in all of Russia.
      1. 0
        20 May 2013 09: 04
        Bryzgalov (Varlamov)
        Nikulin - Biryukov, Kovalchuk - Tereshchenko - Radulov
        Tyutin - Medvedev, Ovechkin - Popov - Perezhogin
        Denisov - Belov, Kuznetsov - Anisimov - Petrov
        Zaitsev, Kokarev - Svitov - Soin, Mozyakin.
        The composition of the national team for the game with the United States, the NHL players themselves, count and do not blame everything that the NHL players arrived did not surrender to the game and lost.
        1. vladsolo56
          +3
          20 May 2013 09: 22
          We do not know what was in their head when there was a match with the Americans, this is the first. Second, I’m not talking about how much they laid out, but about how much it was a TEAM, a team in the full sense of the word. Teamwork, mutual understanding, this is the basis of team play, even the best player in an unplayed team will not be able to do anything. You, as I understand it, a connoisseur of hockey, do you really need to chew such simple truths?
          1. 0
            20 May 2013 09: 30
            You understand that the coach conducts experiments, tries different combinations, looks at players for whether there is no teamwork and the tasks of the coaching staff were slightly different than the result, you need to look at the players who will go to Sochi, so to speak, it was a control training session before the Olympics.
          2. 0
            20 May 2013 11: 12
            and the Tretiak and not only him ... said before:
            But if we give in, there will definitely not be a panic. We have the entire training system sharpened for the 2014 Olympics, and until Sochi we will not shy away from side to side
      2. 0
        20 May 2013 11: 39
        I won’t believe that it’s impossible to assemble a team worthy of a national team throughout Russia.

        Vlad, well, for starters (to talk about it) you must name the obvious passengers in our team and give the names of those whom you would like to see in it
  25. Boot under the carpet
    0
    20 May 2013 08: 52
    Oh damn it! Article from the water, in fact, everything is obvious! There were no worth NHLers. There was no Malkin and Datsuk, Ovechkin arrived late, but this is not the most important thing! The main reason is that there were no triples played. People were not played! The coach is not to blame. The composition is not organized.
    1. DmitriRazumov
      +1
      20 May 2013 15: 20
      Quote: Boot under the carpet
      People were not played! The coach is not to blame. The composition is not organized.

      Please explain who in the team is responsible for the preparation of the team and teamwork of players, triples, fives?
  26. Belogor
    +1
    20 May 2013 08: 55
    Come on, he will sprinkle ashes on his head. Well, we lost, it never happens to anyone. Coaches and players will take into account mistakes, draw conclusions and there will be "all hockey"
    True fans will never turn their back on the team.
    1. vladsolo56
      +2
      20 May 2013 09: 04
      I’m thinking that those who have already left the championship in America, they somehow like a bulb to turn our backs on them or not. They have their own concerns there, which are completely unrelated to Russia and our fans.
      1. +1
        20 May 2013 09: 07
        Quote: vladsolo56
        them like a light bulb to turn away from them, our fans or not.
        That's right, because the money for which they are now playing, they received ...
  27. 0
    20 May 2013 09: 05
    They like to scourge at us ... Sport is Sport, anything can happen. One of the childhood memories - the loss of the USSR national team to amers at one of the Olympiads, was also bitter and insulting, especially against the background of the Canadians won ... But I remember for sure that no one washed our hands.
    In my opinion, it’s worth trying to return to the system of the Soviet team, the backbone of which was the CSKA army club, which was constantly playing together, whose coach was the coach of the USSR team. It seems to me that the main secret of the success of that great team was hidden here. Well, plus, of course, a hockey box in every yard !!! I myself remember how the puck drove and how the coach of youth teams went around the yards ...
    1. -2
      20 May 2013 09: 10
      Quote: wulf66
      . But I remember for sure that no one washed ours.
      Because they saw HOW ours play, and understood FOR WHAT, therefore they forgave, scolded, but forgave. And now they see HOW they play and understand FOR WHAT, therefore they do not try to FORGIVE ...
    2. +1
      20 May 2013 11: 44
      If you lose in a fight, if you lose in the fight, clutch your teeth for victory, play until the last second, it’s 1 loss for that and no one will say the words. And if there is a drain (sleepy, not enough, not enough, just laziness, a long championship) then this another loss. And this second loss can not be justified.
  28. k220150
    +2
    20 May 2013 09: 10
    We live in a world where one follows from the other - “having taken off your head, you don’t cry through your hair,” this is about the country. Sport is a derivative of life, the result of more serious processes. Today everything is decided by money, no one will lose life and health for them, another motivation is needed - honor, the memory of the victorious ancestors, remember, we lost to FRENCHES on May 9, and much more that cannot be evaluated in money. And our reasons for moving from club to club are only money. Therefore, further m. it will only get worse if we ALL do not change our minds and answer for ourselves.
  29. -1
    20 May 2013 09: 10
    Quote: svp67
    Quote: vladsolo56
    them like a light bulb to turn away from them, our fans or not.
    That's right, because the money for which they are now playing, they received ...

    Already mazol on the fingers, I will repeat to you once again they play for the team for free !!!!
    1. vladsolo56
      0
      20 May 2013 09: 18
      and what did I write what kind of money? take care of your fingers.
      1. 0
        20 May 2013 09: 20
        This I do not ask you sorry, I addressed svp67!
        1. +2
          20 May 2013 10: 00
          Quote: avant-garde
          This I do not ask you sorry, I addressed svp67!

          Yes, to the question of free participation. So the players of the national team play NOT FOR FREE, they receive money in their clubs, to which our federation COMPENSATES these costs, during the participation of hockey players in the national team ...
    2. +1
      20 May 2013 09: 32
      Quote: avant-garde
      the same mazol on the fingers, I repeat to you once again they play for the national team for free !!!!
      Well, then there really was nothing to be offended by, they worked EXACTLY FOR MUCH, HOW MUCH they PAYED. And the costs in view - payments for accommodation, food and training should be written off at a LOSS
  30. fenix57
    0
    20 May 2013 09: 11
    Well, it happens, although oh, what a shame ... They will win, OURS will win more than once. And the Swedes became champions after beating Switzerland! -5: 1 ...
  31. 0
    20 May 2013 09: 12
    These zhurnalyugi got it, as soon as our hockey players failed, they attacked like mad dogs, as if they gave the team a face, but yesterday, these same zhurnalyugi called our hockey players the revival of the red car, so we quickly forget about good things in order to pour dirt on people! And I I remember how the national team in 2008 won victory in hockey on the territory of our most arrogant enemies, despite the fact that the game was almost lost just a year ago, they tore everyone up so no one even kicked! So we all have to draw the appropriate conclusions for the coaching staff and tear everyone at the Olympics !!! am
  32. +2
    20 May 2013 09: 14
    Kind! I watched the match, and alas, Gentlemen, fans, now big sport is very tight with big politics! Beginnings of 3 periods everyone remember the segment of the game? The players showed how they could, and then began to play again as they should! I don't believe in such a game of the National Team! And those who amuse themselves with the presence of the NHL in the team, make no mistake! There are many great players in the KHL! Yes, judging by the game, the guys did not lose, but surrendered !!! Comparing with the professional boxer, who came out with his hands tied and was beaten. We saw the same thing in the game!
  33. +1
    20 May 2013 09: 20
    Our hockey players are still the best, and they will tear them to pieces many more times)
  34. Belogor
    +2
    20 May 2013 09: 24
    Yes, Russophobia and other animals, do not give a damn about the result, in any case, they scold. They have the meaning of life in this, curse Russia, and they will always find a reason for this.
  35. 0
    20 May 2013 09: 37
    I would like to take a deeper look at this issue. Shalaev touches on important points
  36. 0
    20 May 2013 09: 41
    Quote: svp67
    Quote: avant-garde
    the same mazol on the fingers, I repeat to you once again they play for the national team for free !!!!
    Well, then there really was nothing to be offended by, they worked EXACTLY FOR MUCH, HOW MUCH they PAYED. And the costs in view - payments for accommodation, food and training should be written off at a LOSS

    And about the last champion years, what do you say they also played for free?
  37. +2
    20 May 2013 09: 47
    Fetisov about the defeat of Russia
  38. +1
    20 May 2013 10: 06
    Quote: svp67
    Quote: avant-garde
    This I do not ask you sorry, I addressed svp67!

    Yes, to the question of free participation. So the players of the national team play NOT FOR FREE, they receive money in their clubs, to which our federation COMPENSATES these costs, during the participation of hockey players in the national team ...

    belay belay belay , I have not heard such an interesting version, please give the source where did you get this ??? You want to say that the FHR offset the costs to NHL clubs ???? The calendar of games in the KHL is designed in such a way that the playoffs end before the World Cup, and those NHL players who come to the national team are either players from teams that did not get into the playoffs or flew out of it.
  39. +1
    20 May 2013 10: 12
    Well, stop sprinkling ash on your head! For one beaten, two unbeaten give! What is the first time? Crawled out of such a hole, the main thing is to draw the right conclusions!
  40. armandos
    0
    20 May 2013 10: 13
    C'mon guys! This is a sport. Well, it didn’t work out ... ((Politics is out of place here! But it’s really time for Varlamov to change!
  41. +1
    20 May 2013 10: 14
    And you gentlemen scribblers from sports need to be a little smarter. Stop beating in your own way.
  42. +3
    20 May 2013 10: 42
    Dear author. Volodin Alexey. All this is of course correct; "-Yes - it hurts, yes - humiliating, but the same history of hockey teaches both hockey players and fans that one lost match is not the end of Russian hockey. And in order to understand this and understand the situation, it is enough to look back, shake yourself up and stop self-flagellation. " But how and how to explain the lack of will, lack of character of our hockey players. The second match with the Finns confirms this. Finn's third puck into our goal, how do you like it ?. Not to mention the match against the USA. Basic puck control, passes, puck stopping, dribbling, professionals should master these techniques with their eyes closed. What I didn’t notice was behind them. For such a game it is necessary, it is necessary, to give ruthless cuffs. That's when you start to lie under the puck, not sparing your belly, then not only hockey, but the entire Russian sport will be revived. It's funny to remember the 90s, then there was an excuse, there was no result, there was not enough money, there were some fees in the West. Now the fees are higher than in the west, and the results are worse. What is the reason? You need to be yourself, i.e. maximalists.
    1. +1
      20 May 2013 11: 07
      But, how and how to explain the lack of will, the lack of character of our hockey players

      Peter Forsberg:
      -In defense of the Russian team I can say such a thing. It is very difficult to play an important match at noon. This is too early. The body does not have time to wake up.
      - As if the Americans did not go out to play an important match at noon.
      - They are used to such a rhythm, because they ended the group stage with the same early meeting. And in vain you are ironic, this is all very serious. The same story happened with the Swedish national team at the 2002 Olympics. Everyone remembers how sensationally we lost to the Belarusians. But few people remember that it was also a very early match. Also at noon! Moreover, the opponents have already gone to the "lunch" matches in the group, but we have not. In the end, it was all over before overtime.

      ___________________________________________
      - It is very important that he (the coach) does not lose human relations with his stars. There is no need to fight each other, look for extreme, declare to the whole country: "This goalkeeper, that defender and a couple of forwards are the main culprits of the shameful 3: 8." If within the Russian national team everyone does not quarrel among themselves, but will rally even more after failure, it will be the main contender for reaching the final of the Olympics.
      1. +1
        20 May 2013 14: 46
        All this, of course, yes, but somehow it looks like an excuse. That is why there must be character, will, patience. Imported coaches, of course, will express a bunch of epithets to the Russian national team, and fold their fingers into crosses behind their backs. I don’t remember where this expression came from, "we play for the fans", so play so that the fans will not even be ashamed of the defeat. In this World Cup, it's a shame for the national team. That's right, inside the national team it is necessary to figure out who made it, by name, then maybe there will be less ballast in the national team.
        1. 0
          20 May 2013 17: 19
          but somehow looks like an excuse. Of course, imported coaches will express a bunch of epithets to the Russian team, and put their fingers in crosses behind their backs

          in general, this person can not be called a hypocrite. It certainly does not make sense to smear it. he is simply a professional and a great hockey player.
          if you quickly open a wiki. you can see
          Two-time Olympic champion, two-time world champion and two-time Stanley Cup winner. One of the three hockey players in history who managed to win each of these three tournaments at least 2 times (except Forsberg - Vyacheslav Fetisov and Igor Larionov
  43. 0
    20 May 2013 10: 51
    I just want to say: guys, hockey players, you’re men, not ... football players!
  44. +2
    20 May 2013 11: 00
    "On the persecution of the Russian national team."
    They are all poisoned with dollars for a long time ...... And this is the worst thing to date.
    There is no antidote to this yet. It is unlikely that for many of them the prestige of the country and the mood of the fans are in the first place.
    Money .... This is in the first place. In the USSR, sport was a sport, even with an ideological and political bias, but not a big business, as it is now. And athletes are just small cogs of a big sports business car.
    And also about the revival of sports in modern Russia. It is doubtful ......
    Sportbar is not a gym. Of course, there are attempts, but the atmosphere in society is somehow foreign.
  45. +4
    20 May 2013 11: 04
    Well, it’s not good for the guys! It happens. Although insulting and annoying. Those who chased the puck, the ball more or less professionally, know this sporting happiness. But in the end, you MUST win over yourself, over your opponent, over all enemies! And this is all SPORT!
    Good luck to our team!
  46. +4
    20 May 2013 11: 13
    And you don’t need to sprinkle your head with ashes, it’s a shame for normal Russian people for the Power. We are maximalists by nature! According to the mentality, the winners are therefore victorious! And we forgive the defeats and understand in order to start up, get angry as it should and again see our flag at the same height that it is laid to it! But defeat defeat discord! This is just the case when you need to shame so that an honest Russian guy in a T-shirt with the coat of arms of the country would get to the bone! And someone should not wear this uniform or jacket with symbols if they don’t understand that our expectations are not our problems - this is a common thing!
    But you should not read Latvian newspapers at all! Their team must be smeared on ice, as indeed this time happened. Thank you for this of course, but this is normal and quite natural.
    But everything else is unnatural. For this we ask.
  47. танк
    0
    20 May 2013 11: 20
    Foreign publications (in particular, Latvian newspapers) managed to christen "3: 8" from the Americans with Russian shame,

    We ourselves lost 6-0 dry, by the way, even with the defeat at this World Cup, we crawled only from 1st to 3rd place, but sorry, this is not bad either.
    1. 0
      20 May 2013 13: 56
      Just how these sprats need little for happiness! Russia lost to the states (what does it have to do with it?) - and it’s already good ... I can imagine what will happen IF THEY win against Madagascar. They will walk for a week.
      1. танк
        0
        20 May 2013 16: 19
        They need to distract people's attention from problems somehow. They, like in Ukraine, have all the bad things in Russia, and all the good things are our merit and the worst is here, they shout about it so loud and long that many people start to believe in it !!
  48. spd2001
    -1
    20 May 2013 11: 27
    Quote: We refund_SSSR
    So I don’t understand that such a terrible thing happened? is it a departure or account?
    Well, if in the departure itself, then the Canadians also flew in 1/4 like us, and I know only two hockey superpowers - this is us and Canada.

    But nothing, France has merged the game. And so nothing happened. They could “make amends” for the loss to France only if not by winning the World Cup, but by reaching the final. This loss was the swan song of this championship. This will not be washed away soon. And most importantly, the dependence of the success of our team on the presence of strong central strikers in its composition, in particular Malkin, Datsyuk, was clearly manifested. As shown by last year's World Cup, if they are available, who is the coach is not particularly important. Politics has nothing to do with it, but in a purely sporting way it is a great failure, not a lack of medals, but a lack of desire to win. Or excessive self-confidence, which is unacceptable for professionals.
  49. +1
    20 May 2013 11: 53
    unfortunately, in world hockey there is no such person as No. 17 of the USSR national team


  50. Rrv
    Rrv
    +8
    20 May 2013 12: 15
    Ah - they lied, ah - harassed the team, ah - yep .. Someone even in his commentary on the Chubais pimple Zhenya Fedorov with his sovereign Russia remembered. laughing

    It is high time to understand that big sport is just show business, a kind of Eurovision, and has nothing to do with honor or prestige of the country.

    And the reasons for such defeats lie in the substitution of the value system.
    1. +1
      20 May 2013 12: 34
      the picture-argument is certainly serious, only well-known athletes as well as veterans, there were cases, they died in poverty. These Great ones, such as Fetisov, Tretiak ... remain at the top, and after all many after thirty with injuries can not find a place
      1. Rrv
        Rrv
        -1
        20 May 2013 12: 50
        In poverty, people began to die after the 90s, but the reasons for this poverty are very different.

        Then - what are the benefits of high-performance sports? Injuries - yes, instilling false patriotism in society - yes, an opportunity for some to "earn" - yes, but what is the benefit for society, for the country? I do not see such benefit, especially if we talk about the post-Soviet period.
        1. 0
          20 May 2013 12: 57
          Quote: RRV
          instilling false patriotism into society - yes

          What false patriotism are you talking about !?
          1. Rrv
            Rrv
            -2
            20 May 2013 13: 11
            Quote: krokodil25
            What false patriotism are you talking about !?


            When the experience and joy of real problems and achievements of the country and society are replaced by the experience and joy of meaningless victories and defeats in sports.
            1. 0
              20 May 2013 13: 41
              Quote: RRV
              meaningless victories and defeats in sports.

              Well, it's for someone like.
              1. Rrv
                Rrv
                -1
                20 May 2013 14: 02
                Quote: krokodil25
                Well, it's for someone like.


                Super! laughing

                Are you familiar with the difference between the concepts of "subjectivity" and "objectivity"?
    2. posad
      -1
      20 May 2013 17: 17
      Absolutely right. What does big sport and country have to do with it? Big sports are private ambitions that have nothing to do with the state.
      A nation should be healthy, and not its individual citizens. It costs too much for someone's vanity
  51. +1
    20 May 2013 12: 49
    I don't see anything terrible. There is even an upside to losing. After victories, teams rest on their laurels, while their opponents study their strengths and weaknesses and prepare countermeasures. After a loss, teams, coaches and players work on their mistakes. And they are approaching the next season more collectedly. Let the Swedes win gold in 2013, the main thing is that Olympic gold should be ours!
  52. +1
    20 May 2013 13: 04
    It's a shame: a brilliant game at the beginning: the same Americans were blown away, and then the team, as if they were jinxed, let the French get away with it - it doesn't go anywhere, and the last game - the feeling that "WAAAY" the other team played. This is what’s offensive. And so: “Children don’t hide - they’re used to it!” They saw losses during the period specified in the article, but they explained them by the collapse of the country and all sports institutions, spitting on the FUCKING "prize". Then the team went up and got used to victories. And such a pogrom - a tub of icy water... relaxed, you know...
  53. +1
    20 May 2013 13: 05
    Nothing terrible. But although recently this began to go away, it suddenly appeared again. Understanding how degraded the level of our hockey is. No one expects the unique and fascinating style of team play of our national teams anymore. Those who know, understand, this requires precisely the Soviet system of playing a team with numerous regular training camps. But the team's incompetence is shocking. The best players in our League were transferred to the third-rate national team and the third NHL squad! Gentlemen, although this is terrible, the KHL level is the third NHL squads. And our coaches, even at the national team level, by default put on the ice inferior teams, staffed according to the miserable principle of “what if someone comes from the NHL?”...

    Sadly ...
  54. Ruslan_F38
    -1
    20 May 2013 13: 05
    In fact, what should have happened happened and the first call was when they lost seven to three to Canada. Loot rules. I hope our team will pull itself together and clarify for itself what it means to play for the national team of a country like Russia, and what team play is, and these games will become the main thing for them, and not overseas voyages for money. And the head coach should understand that this is not a race for money with Ak Bars, but a battle for the country!
  55. DeerIvanovich
    0
    20 May 2013 13: 12
    but for me it’s like a memorable football match with the Slovaks, well, back then Putin was there, together with the Slovak leader, they were deciding the issue regarding the gas pipeline, they decided it positively for us, and at the same time we watched the match. I haven’t seen such sluggish play from our players in a long time. Naturally, the Slovaks won. In general, thank the Slovaks for the gas pipeline laughing

    And here is a similar situation: a coincidence begs to be seen. Like we are your spy (and the amers weren’t particularly indignant, on the contrary, they laughed at their spy), but here you are handing over the championship to us. After all, all the matches before May 9, so as not to overshadow the holiday, were played as they should be, but after that they fell into a stupor. After all, the Americans need to turn their citizens’ attention to something, and why not put on a show at the championship, at the same time we’ll raise a fuss in the media - a show
  56. +1
    20 May 2013 13: 14
    Quote: Ruslan_F38
    And the head coach should understand that this is not a race for money with Ak Bars, but a battle for the country!

    Bill Ak Bars hasn’t been coaching for two years now, this is once or twice when he looks at players for the national team in Sochi, that’s why he assembles the national team, as they put it above, on a beggarly principle, the point is for him to take a player to the national team if he already knows his capabilities!
    1. Ruslan_F38
      +1
      20 May 2013 13: 31
      Well, yes, well, yes, no one is to blame for anything, neither the players were beaten, everything is ok! But for some reason my soul feels worse from losing, well, it’s probably the same thing...ok!
      1. 0
        20 May 2013 13: 37
        this is a small lost battle before the decisive battle in Sochi, the tasks are for a fellow fighting team capable of taking gold at the Olympics, victory at the World Cup is the second question at the moment for Beal!
        1. Ruslan_F38
          0
          20 May 2013 13: 44
          These are all excuses, an attempt to justify sluggish play and unclear management of the game. There are no small battles, especially the World Cup.
          1. -4
            20 May 2013 13: 52
            I’m already tired of proving something here, I have a question for everyone who is pouring slop on the players and coaches of the national team, what did you personally do for the national team to win??? Did you suggest which players should be taken?, did you suggest what tactics to use for the coach??? What did you do to pour slop on the national team??? Nothing, well then sit and be silent!!!!
            1. 0
              20 May 2013 14: 01
              Quote: avant-garde
              I’m already tired of proving something here, I have a question for everyone who is pouring slop on the players and coaches of the national team, what did you personally do for the national team to win??? Did you suggest which players should be taken?, did you suggest what tactics to use for the coach??? What did you do to pour slop on the national team??? Nothing, well then sit and be silent!!!!

              You can’t prove a damn thing to them, just give them a reason to immediately devour them whole!
            2. Ruslan_F38
              +2
              20 May 2013 14: 24
              Quote: avant-garde
              I’m already tired of proving something here, I have a question for everyone who is pouring slop on the players and coaches of the national team, what did you personally do for the national team to win??? Did you suggest which players should be taken?, did you suggest what tactics to use for the coach??? What did you do to pour slop on the national team??? Nothing, well then sit and be silent!!!!


              First of all, don't be rude! Secondly, I didn’t throw mud at anyone (give specific examples, quotes), but expressed my point of view, and if you do not accept points of view other than yours, then this is already a diagnosis! Thirdly, sit down and be silent, I don’t need to shut my mouth, smart guy! He's tired of proving, don't prove it then!
              1. +1
                20 May 2013 17: 41
                not you, but you, and if in hockey it’s not boom boom, sit down and shut up!!!!
                1. Ruslan_F38
                  -1
                  20 May 2013 18: 01
                  And you are not only a rude person, but it also turns out that you are narrow-minded, the photo on the author’s photo seems to have been found by your hockey expert)). I don’t see any point in arguing with de-energizers like you.
  57. CreepyUknow
    -3
    20 May 2013 13: 32
    I always really disliked it when athletes began to be bullied because of defeats. These are people!! And they, like all ordinary people, may have problems with emotions, physical fitness, and hormones. It didn’t work out, but oh well, it’s hard enough for them, I don’t think they care about their failure! Someone will say: look, the authority of a power has been trashed... The authority of a power is manifested primarily in correct diplomatic decisions and personal heroism in the trenches, and not in the battle for money and cups. And the Russian soldier was always no stranger to personal heroism.
  58. +5
    20 May 2013 13: 35
    The author of the article seems to have confused something. Hockey players are criticized not because they lost... but because they DID NOT TRY to win. Well, there was no struggle as such. If they came off the ice in a lather, they would have received a standing ovation... even if they lost with such a score, and so...
  59. +3
    20 May 2013 13: 57
    Well, I don’t see any “bullying”. I don’t see any slop being thrown at me. Where do the author and most commentators find all this? Ah... here's where:

    Newspaper "Headlines"

    A very authoritative publication.... Before this article I didn’t even know that such a thing existed. But in response:
    but it is much more difficult to try to understand what is happening to Russian hockey today against the background of what was happening to it yesterday. And just yesterday, the number of active hockey stadiums and so-called training “boxes” in our country could be counted on one hand. Just yesterday, fairs of handicraft shoes or Chinese consumer goods were held in Sports Palaces five times more often than
    Well, how much can you justify today's sloppiness and lack of desire to fight the collapse of the 90s? If now, while driving, I don’t fit into a turn, or I miss a stop by 50 meters, or I brake and accelerate so that all the passengers are lying around the cabin, will the devastation of the 90s be my excuse?
    Athletes are now professionals and receive SALARY for their work. Well, if you would be so kind... Where is it.... Either diarrhea or scrofula... And it would be okay if they fought, but it didn’t work out. No, again the old songs about lack of teamwork, bad luck, and God knows what else. Oh yes, the national team doesn’t pay... Do the French get paid? Or maybe the coach is not paid? “I’ll sort it out,” Billyaletdinov said. Got it? O-3 half-dead Finns and 3-8 young Americans whose total team contracts are less than our top five.
    But we are all patriots here and therefore unacceptable....
    We will not allow the truth to be told about our athletes. Everything is fine! It's just a sport... Not a cow... You just have to forget and start all over again. Our miracle heroes will finally show themselves in Sochi.
    If V.V. had reasoned this way. Tikhonov, we wouldn’t have Great Hockey. It would have been a long time ago.
    Fetisov is right - you can’t play like that! Kovalchuk is right - they screwed up! And this is only a small part of what needs to be said about the performance of our team, and not at all swearing, bullying and throwing mud at us.
  60. +1
    20 May 2013 14: 00
    It’s an interesting observation that as soon as a large number of NHL players appear on the Russian hockey team, we waste it. Bykov got burned on this, and Bill got burned on this. 5 players from the NHL is the extreme limit of their number in the team. We need to form a team of five players in the KHL. If there are too many NHLers at the Olympics again, we’ll miss it again. In general, there were many stars, but there was no team.
  61. +1
    20 May 2013 14: 06
    Well, as far as I understand, in the times of the USSR, a lot of time was spent on preparation, starting from physical training (for the same Tarasov, they didn’t get out of training), and morale, that is, everyone strictly followed the regime of no alcohol, excess in food, and more Since training, the rink of the Soviet national team was considerable, once again I looked at the results of that team, well, for example, the USSR national team USSR - Germany 17:1, USSR - Finland 9:1, USSR - Switzerland - 14:0, well, the USSR national team set a lot of records, and all the result of grueling training and the mindset to win...
    1. 0
      20 May 2013 17: 13
      Doesn’t it bother you that the examples you gave were not very appropriate for that time?
      Germany - second place in 1930, third in 32, and then silver in 53 - and that’s all, to this day...
      Finland first entered the hockey elite in 1992, taking silver.
      and Switzerland in the same 53 took bronze and only 50 years later, now they took silver.
      Are these demonstrative rivals?
      1. +2
        20 May 2013 17: 59
        This is a sport where the strongest wins, who gave us a slap in the face today, France and Finland, I’m sure play then that team of the USSR era, the result was as I indicated to you, because the red car was trained and motivated, if these teams don’t suit you, I can find them with the Swedes where 9:2, and with the same USA 8:2, you couldn’t call them weak either then or today, and I’m not insulting our team, I just want to say that we need to train more and be able to fight to the end...
  62. Ruslan_F38
    0
    20 May 2013 14: 19
    Quote: avant-garde
    I’m already tired of proving something here, I have a question for everyone who is pouring slop on the players and coaches of the national team, what did you personally do for the national team to win??? Did you suggest which players should be taken?, did you suggest what tactics to use for the coach??? What did you do to pour slop on the national team??? Nothing, well then sit and be silent!!!!


    First of all, don't be rude! Secondly, I didn’t throw mud at anyone (give specific examples, quotes), but expressed my point of view, and if you do not accept points of view other than yours, then this is already a diagnosis! Thirdly, sit down and be silent, I don’t need to shut my mouth, smart guy! He's tired of proving, don't prove it then!
  63. 0
    20 May 2013 14: 56
    the most important thing is that, despite all the disappointment and bitterness from such a defeat, our hockey players realize their guilt and even publicly apologized to the fans. This does them a great honor and for THIS they can and SHOULD be respected. In contrast to the phrase of one of the players of our team after the defeat: “the fact that we did not live up to your expectations is your problem”
  64. 0
    20 May 2013 15: 42
    It looks like the team has fallen into a functional hole. The players of the Gagarin Cup final were unable to recover, and the players who had previously been eliminated managed to lose their form. Experts wrote about a similar outcome 4 years ago, suggesting that we decide what is more important for us: the KHL or the annual world championships, Canadians are forced to bring third-rate teams and don’t bother.
  65. +1
    20 May 2013 15: 53
    So I don’t understand that such a terrible thing happened? is it a departure or account?
    Apparently you won’t understand if you pose the question this way. IT'S NOT ABOUT KILLING OUT AND IT'S NOT ABOUT THE SCORE. IT'S ABOUT PLAYING FOR YOUR FUCK!!!!!!
  66. +1
    20 May 2013 16: 18
    Everything will work out, what’s the point of scolding the team, as the article correctly says, we need to draw conclusions and change something.
  67. +1
    20 May 2013 16: 41
    Quote: vaf
    But the trainer and the federation need .... in short, you need to give in the neck and very tight!


    And the best thing is to convert it to the average salary in the country. Maybe they will start working or will think about hockey first, and only then about their pockets. And a public apology is nothing more than pouring sweet molasses on a bitter dish.... especially since usually with a public apology they do not ask to forgive them, but apologize. We may lose, but we will lose the fight.

    AND IN GENERAL ALL ADVICE: Cheer for our team. Support your own. When we are winners and especially when we lose. Life goes on!
  68. +2
    20 May 2013 17: 32
    This is what I read on the Internet: “The compressed hatred for the crushed Prague Spring turned the Czechs into superhumans. It was important for them to prove, and they proved in the game, that without tanks we are nobody against them. Nobody, nothing, and no way to call us. What was happening on the ice, beyond words. In the triumphant roar of the stands welcoming our death, on that Stockholm ice we could already hear the sounds of the trumpets of judgment. Crushed and broken by two washers, before the last period in our lives, we sat in the locker room, unable to raise our heads and just look at the coach, the genius - Anatoly Tarasov. He was not just a mentor for us. He was a father. No less.

    And then steps were heard, Tarasov entered. He stood, and his panting breath could be heard.

    And suddenly he began to sing. It was unexpected and, frankly speaking, scary. The words of the International faded hoarsely in the sweaty hell of the locker room and, without reaching consciousness, simply not being absorbed by it, they caused chills. I don't remember ever experiencing anything like this. And I realized, under the clanking of my own teeth from nervous and physical overstrain, that this was what I came into this world for. And there will be nothing but this. That everything is being decided now and here!

    But there comes a moment in life when you suddenly realize that the fate of the country is in your hands. And then... And then it comes - the feeling of the Motherland.

    Without adding a word, Tarasov fell silent and left, still breathing heavily.”

    “We fell into the radiance of ice,” Viktor Kuzkin continued the story, “and the roar of thousands of throats greeted the reprisal against us.

    But something happened. With all of us, with the whole team. The consciousness of unity, the great unity of our destinies and the country, has returned to us.

    We swept them away. We changed the course of history with our victory in that battle. And no one doubted this.”
    As they say without comment...(backyard football hockey teams need to be developed and, most importantly, coaches (and they are paid very little) this year for the first time in 30 years I went to the skating rink with my son..(every week he went with a stick and a puck, everything is as it should be ..I remember the movements and how proud my son was (he was 5 years old) and it was as if he was born wearing skates)..
  69. +1
    20 May 2013 18: 19
    I completely agree with the author of the article! for which he was verbally beaten by his fellow fans during the general viewing in the courtyard of this match, proving to them the opposite! The only thing I agree with is that there is no way to lose with such a shameful score, you need to play until the end and don’t give up no matter the score, you can also lose beautifully and the team’s lack of teamwork is obvious, but this is far from a failure, this is another stage from which conclusions can and should be drawn! ! But I won’t give Bilyaletdinov any offense, he’s a good coach, a real Soviet man and not like these corrupt NHL guys!
  70. Sashko07
    +2
    20 May 2013 18: 26
    Unfortunately, in Russia and even in Ukraine, most athletes play for money, but in the Soviet Union they played for the country!
  71. serge
    +3
    20 May 2013 18: 36
    There is no bullying of the national team. There is little that the Baltic mongrels will write there. It’s just that everyone here - from journalists to fans - was stunned by the loss to zero to the French on May 9th and by the mediocre and weak-willed loss to the Americans. The composition of the national team was weaker than last year, plus partly coach Bilyaletdinov recruited favorites to the team for past merits, and not those who played better this year. Before the World Cup, many sports publications called the championship almost a training championship before the Olympics in Sochi. It is not surprising that this mood was partially transmitted to the players. We played with class, without passion, winning only when the game went by itself. There was no one to force the national team to play, but I can’t when the game isn’t going well. Bilyaletdinov is a good professional, but a poor motivator and not a leader by nature. By the way, Bilyaletdinov was the same player in the old days. Bykov was better as a coach of the national team precisely because of his bright patriotism, his ability to ignite the players, and turn the tide of the match. A coward doesn't play hockey, but a wimp doesn't win the most important matches either. Bilyaletdinov needs to get a little angry, bring the players to their senses and mobilize them to win. Our team will not win in Sochi with cold professionalism, we need to die on the ice, only then will victory be ours.
  72. -1
    20 May 2013 19: 15
    something like a custom article. how Bill (French) loses, that’s how the fuck!
  73. sinedanafin
    0
    20 May 2013 19: 27
    Our beauties went to hell!
  74. -1
    20 May 2013 19: 51
    I won’t scold the national team, but I will say from the bottom of my heart that OUR sports teams DO NOT LEAVE on VICTORY Day!!
  75. 0
    20 May 2013 20: 04
    the author is an idiot if he thinks that official matches are equal to friendly ones, and in 69, first the freight train was the USSR - Canada - 9:3, and then 1:5... "they have never lost with such a score" meaning in the official , and not friendly matches, if you are familiar with sports not from TV, then you know the difference, but if you can’t distinguish a barbell from a crossbar, don’t write like that (unprintable word)....
  76. psdf
    0
    20 May 2013 20: 18
    When and how many times did the Russian national hockey team delight us with their performance?
    Not once, not twice, just in the last few years.
    Losing is a reason to pull yourself together and perform better for the next match. They demonstrated this with their play more than once or twice.
  77. 0
    20 May 2013 20: 33
    I'll grumble a little.
    And by the way, until the moment when Ovechkin’s goal was not counted at first, and then they reviewed the video and restored justice, I saw on similar replays how the puck clearly hit the post, and the goal was credited to us. But perhaps I wasn’t paying attention myself.
    And it also seemed to me that our game went especially wrong when the pucks flew into our goal after the US attackers began to press our defenders at our goal, thereby distracting our players from moving the puck. Some kind of foul play is emerging. It is clear that everything is according to the rules, yes, there is no need to be indignant, but as an ordinary fan (spectator) who does not understand the intricacies of hockey sports, nevertheless, I think something needs to be done with the rules of the game - it is not the case when an American can stand with his ass buried in our goalkeeper and also push, distract our defender, and, as far as I remember, the game was in equal numbers of players... Expand the no-entry lane to the goal or something like that.
  78. satellite
    -1
    20 May 2013 20: 36
    The guys just got lazy, got greedy and there is no other reason. You can say a lot that “happens”, BUT lately this often “happens”, and I don’t understand why you should invite the Mazyakins, Nikulins Tereshchenkos, etc. (old useless ones) to the team if they took the youth, they would have at least given 100 percent, and they also gained experience for Sochi, but these only appeared with a stick
  79. 0
    20 May 2013 20: 45
    It's a shame!, next year they will of course take gold... but it will wake up next year, and I really wanted to be happy this year. The main thing is that they are leaders by any means, it just happened this year... unfortunately.
  80. 0
    20 May 2013 20: 46
    I would like to say to our fans - learn from the Irish. At Euro 2012, their football team did not score a single point in the group, but no one poured slop on the players.
  81. 0
    20 May 2013 21: 06
    Sometimes it happens that one team’s puck doesn’t go into the goal, while another team’s puck goes into the goal and nothing can be done about it. Well, of course, everyone made mistakes out of the blue, it’s impossible, they even scold kids for this in children’s school. And here the stars are messing up....let's wait and see what will happen in Sochi..and...GOOD LUCK to ours!!!
  82. 0
    20 May 2013 21: 09
    The main thing is that our players are willing to go to the national team, no one is hiding. And a game is a game, you can’t win all the time. This team gave us fabulous victories in 2008 and 2012. And unlike football players, all our players sing the anthem and don’t itch when it’s played, which is very pleasing
  83. Seraph
    0
    20 May 2013 21: 14
    It's a shame, of course, but not fatal. All the same, our ICBMs fly further and carry more
  84. 0
    20 May 2013 21: 39
    In 1946, during a 10-minute break in the CSKA-Dynamo bandy match, students of the Institute of Physical Education showed a new game - “Canadian” hockey. Our hockey players appeared for the first time at international competitions in 1954 at the World Championships in Stockholm Before the start of the World Championship, Canadians had already issued a postage stamp - “Canadian Hockey Players - World Champions of 1954”. Our team won with a score of 7:2. Two years later, the Soviet team became the champion at the Olympics in Cortina d'Ampezzo, receiving three sets of medals - for the World, European, and Olympic Games championships. Remember the names of great athletes - Vsevolod Bobrov, Igor Netto, Lev Yashin... . It was they who brought the first glory to our ice hockey. What characters and patriots they were! Generation of WINNERS!
  85. 0
    21 May 2013 00: 27
    It was in vain that Bykov was removed - he created this team, under him we believed in it. And it was impossible to change him... now everything will fall apart - Belyalitdinov is not the same person at all... what kind of Olympic Games are they...
    1. 0
      21 May 2013 05: 50
      ah...then I heard everything exactly the opposite. Bykov was never turned over

      After the defeat of the Russian national hockey team by the Canadians, the indignation of Russian fans knew no bounds. The intensity of passions reached such a level that one of the proactive Russian fans made a tombstone for the Russian national hockey team at his own expense. Offended to the core by the disastrous game, the Russian fan simply rashly decided to hold a symbolic funeral for the losing hockey players!

      27-year-old Stepan on the morning of February 25, having suffered all night watching TV, went to a granite workshop and ordered a tombstone. When it was made (the order cost Stepan almost 10 rubles), he put it in the trunk of his car and shared his grief with his friends.

      “After such a humiliating game, I decided to bury our athletes for myself forever,” Stepan sighs. - I won’t be able to watch our collections play like this anymore, although I love hockey very much! For me and millions of Russians, Bykov and his team simply spat in my soul! All Russia is crying! They disgraced the country! Maybe my action was too emotional, but this is the first thing that came to my mind. February 24th will forever remain in my memory as a day full of mourning, grief and unjustified expectations. I’ll take the stove to the dacha and place it in the garden among the weeds...

      video
      http://lifenews.ru/news/14535
  86. georg737577
    -2
    21 May 2013 02: 53
    This is the difference between the superpower of the USSR and the country of Russia...
  87. +1
    21 May 2013 06: 36
    I’m not much of a hockey fan, but I always watch international matches with the participation of the Russian national team. It's not the loss itself that's offensive, it's the score; in sports everything is possible. It's a shame that I didn't see the struggle personally. Our hockey players came out looking kind of depressed. It’s also a shame that the goals were not due to the super skill of the Yankees or good combination play, but they were all missed due to the mistakes of our own athletes. I even began to suspect that the mistakes were too childish, losing the puck in seemingly harmless situations. And I don’t remember this foul from one of ours, why? Immediately after our team scored a goal. Were they playing with a hangover? Have you decided to become like our football players?
    And I think the method of recruiting a national team of NHL stars is erroneous. Sit and hope whether they will let you go or not. We must rely on our youth. Work for the future. I don’t remember what championship it was, somehow our team played without these stars, all the hockey players were from the KHL. So the struggle would be visible, the fire in the eyes. Yes, we lost there later, but how? They judged me stupidly, the judges whistled for ejection every 5 minutes))) For me, it’s better to lose by fighting, and not so weak-willed.
  88. audentes
    0
    21 May 2013 22: 51
    They're just suckers! Even if they lost, it was necessary to show that they gave it their all without reserve! Still, one of the parts of the face of the country!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  89. Army strong
    0
    21 May 2013 23: 40
    The Olympic Games in Sochi will show who is who and who is worth what, fortunately there is less than a year left to wait.
    And the World Hockey Championships will be played every year. I only learned about the loss of the Russian national team from this site, as they cover it very little here compared to the Stanley Cup.
  90. 0
    23 May 2013 18: 04
    We relaxed, and some kind of self-confidence appeared. We hoped for Ovechkin... In general, it was clear that the players lacked some energy. There were such strange situations when we didn’t seem to need the puck... and the Americans were right there... Let’s hope that they will draw the right conclusions and play at 5 in the future!
  91. Kelnot
    +1
    24 May 2013 14: 33
    Yes, it was a shame to play like that!...Especially on May 9th to lose!..
    Personally, I’m offended that our team showed such a pitiful game. I, like most of our fans, believed in the guys and expected to see a cool, professional game!..
  92. 0
    29 August 2013 12: 25
    I love the national team and will root for them like never before. But I still won’t forgive them for this defeat. Of course, everything can be forgiven, but a game with such a score, against such a team...