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More than hockey: about baiting the Russian national team

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Due to its relatively narrow thematic focus, the Military Observation website rarely addresses sports and near-sports events. Although it is often sporting events and their results, no less than meetings and negotiations of politicians of different levels and military maneuvers of the Armed Forces, reflect, if I may say so, the country's geopolitical rating on the world stage. And even more, this rating reflects the internal assessment of sports results.




This material was prepared against the background of two events that somehow turned out to be related to each other. The first event: the incredible success in Russia of Nikolai Lebedev’s film “The Legend No. XXUMX”, which tells about the remarkable Soviet hockey representative Valeria Kharlamov, and the second event: the world hockey championship, which was hosted by Finland and Sweden. The second event against the background of the first turned into a bitter sediment, which made me feel fully. And the main component of this draft is not even that the Russian hockey players could not get through to the semifinals of the world championship, but the fact that, with a clearly non-expressive game, our team managed to miss 17 pucks from the American young hockey players in the last match for the tournament, responding on three of them.

Naturally, the defeat of the Russian national team and, most importantly, its sluggish play with their hands down, caused a storm of negative emotions. Various Russian publications have allowed themselves to declare that this is a real failure for Russian hockey, from which fans and hockey players themselves are unlikely to recover. Foreign publications (in particular, Latvian newspapers) managed to christen "3: 8" from Americans for Russian shame, clearly savoring every puck missed by Russians. Immediately, it was heard that, supposedly, Zinetula Bilyaletdinov should resign, and the leading players (Kovalchuk, Radulov, Nikulin, Ovechkin) should refuse to perform at all in the national team after such an inglorious end of the tournament.



Well, what can I say: oh, how we love to engage in self-flagellation - in this we can beat the representatives of any other state, even giving this state a double head start. At the same time, we are often ready with our own feet, and especially with words to trample into the mud those who were called the main heroes of Russian sports yesterday: the same Kovalchuk with Ovechkin and other hockey players. Like, well, look at them - utter lack of will. That would be Valery Kharlamov in their place - he would not allow himself that ... But now, unfortunately, there is no such person in the world hockey as USSR team number XXUMX, there are no such triples who have played together for years, bringing sportsmanship to incredible heights. Yes, they are not, but so in this regard, this Russian team to stop playing hockey, and its fans, that is, you and I, finally become limp, start to sprinkle ashes on the head and be killed under the slogan "not those are the times."

You can, of course, do the same, because it is the easiest option, but it is much harder to try to realize what is happening with Russian hockey today against the background of what was happening to it just yesterday. And yesterday, the current hockey stadiums and the so-called training "boxes" in our country could be counted on the fingers. Just yesterday, in the Sports Palaces, handicraft shoes or Chinese consumer goods fairs were held five times more often than hockey matches. Yesterday, at least in the beginning, anyone, at least some talented Russian hockey player, tried to dash abroad (not necessarily in the NHL) - even in a regular club of the second Finnish or Swedish hockey league in order to get more or less decent wages for his work. Yesterday, there was no talk about the development of children's sports schools in our country, since not every coach could afford to train young shoots on voluntary grounds due to the fact that he and his family needed something to eat ... After the collapse The USSR, our entire sport (not only hockey) was precisely in such a state of fainting.

No joke to say: the Russian team did not become the world champion in hockey 15 years (from 1993 to 2008 year). Starting from 2007, the Russian hockey squad, led by various coaches, was able to win 1 bronze, 1 silver and 3 gold at the world championships. How quickly, however, the bad is forgotten, and how quickly we managed to get used to the good. After the fabulous victories of the Russian national hockey team at the World Cup last year, when our hockey players literally did not leave a stone on a stone from their rivals, naturally, we wanted to repeat that success. I also wanted it because the country was shown, in the framework of a feature film, the titanic work of Soviet hockey players and coaches, their continued focus on winning.

But you need to be realistic. Even the inimitable national team of the Soviet Union had its own failures, which we, as well as common people, try not to remember. To understand this, it is enough to plunge into the hockey history sample of the late sixties, when the truly stellar national team of the USSR (world and Olympic champions) with a crushing score of 2: 8 lost in a friendly match of the Canadian team in Ottawa in January 1968. There were 1: 5 from the same Canadians in December 1969. There were against the background of the first Super Series against Canadians shown in Nikolai Lebedev’s film, won by Soviet hockey players with an 7: 3 score, very painful defeats from the same Canadians and in the same Super Series. But so what, someone then said that Kharlamov was merging the game, or the Tretyak in the team was clearly superfluous ... If there were such people, then they were extremely distant from the sport, and they turned their attention solely to the result imprinted on scoreboard

That is why far from the best performance of the Russians at the hockey championship should not be put up as a kind of scarecrow for themselves. Of course, one should draw appropriate conclusions from a major defeat, but these conclusions should be made, first of all, by those who are at the helm of the national team and this team is included, and not by those who are used to diagnosing Russian sports, lounging in a chair with a bottle of beer ...

In this regard, it is somewhat strange how some of our publications with little-explained savoring continue to throw mud at the Russian hockey players. We will cite just a few quotes from a number of our valiant media.

The newspaper "Headlines" from somewhere extracted material that says: 3 defeat: 8 is the biggest defeat of Russian hockey.

Obviously, the authors who prepared this text are not familiar with the history of national hockey, or simply want to make a sensation, taking advantage of the fact that not all fans are familiar with the historical results of individual matches between the national teams of the USSR and Russia.

The publication "Soviet Sport" writes that those who did (about the Russia-USA game) saw their cheeks burned with shame, and some even began to hurt themselves against the Russian national team.
“A lot of players failed. But the fear is that there is no one to replace them. You can continue to pray to the gods of Ovechkin, Kovalchuk, Datsyuk, Malkin, Radulov. But it seems that behind them there is a black void. ”
- sums up the author P. Lysenkov.

Well, what can I say ... If the author of the column began to ache against his national team, knowing (or not realizing) that something was wrong on the ice, then as a fan, forgive me, the price is worthless. We have to agree that it is difficult to drive your team forward when 3: 7 or 3: 8 scores, but declaring that it was necessary to hurt against her is at least unsportsmanlike - especially since it is written by a journalist from the Soviet Sport newspaper ...

Other publications continued the verbal beating of the Russian hockey players, despite the fact that the hockey players themselves appreciated their own game in extremely tough form, asking for forgiveness from the fans.

Yes - it hurts, yes - humiliating, but the same hockey story teaches both hockey players and fans that one lost match is not the end of Russian hockey. And in order to understand this and understand the situation, it is enough to turn back, shake it up and stop practicing self-flagellation. The hockey tournament in Helsinki and Stockholm, and with it the whole sport, does not end ... And the Russian hockey players themselves, of course, would not hurt to reconsider the matches of the famous Super Series with Canada more often with the film about Valery Kharlamov and Anatolia Tarasov.
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  1. zart_arn
    zart_arn 20 May 2013 08: 02 New
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    Again they dragged politics. Be easier. Everyone who played hockey knows that this is a team game and everything depends on the teamwork of the team. If the team is not played, then the super players will not help, as we observe.
    1. domokl
      domokl 20 May 2013 08: 26 New
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      Quote: zart_arn
      Again they dragged politics.
      Alas, any failure of something Russian causes a political resonance. And some of us are happy to join in, pour a bit of slop.
      Yes, what happened in a particular game is simply not explainable, but it did. Yes, and in general the championship turned out to be a kind of surprise for many. It’s only that the Czechs or Canadians left at the same stage as they did not cause such mourning in these countries. And the tragedy in that they don’t see. We just don’t like ourselves, we are used to being winners, even in our own eyes and we absolutely do not suffer defeats.
      1. Refund_SSSR
        Refund_SSSR 20 May 2013 08: 53 New
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        Quote: domokl
        Only here the departure at the same stage of the Czechs or Canadians did not cause such mourning in these countries. And tragedy is not seen there.

        So I don’t understand that such a terrible thing happened? is it a departure or account?
        Well, if in the departure itself, then the Canadians also flew in 1/4 like us, and I know only two hockey superpowers - this is us and Canada.
        Well, they didn’t win this time, they won next time. Hockey in Russia is strong! as though some liberal mongrels would not like it and there is no need to politicize the game. And last year, the winners of the World Cup and in past years showed not bad results, but they did not always win prizes, because if the winner is known in advance, then what kind of game would it be?
        This is a game - and WE ARE SUPPORT FOR OURS !! Hurray RUSSIA !!
        Hockey players - well done men! We look forward to success at the next World Cup.
        Fans - love the howling country and your game ... I am ashamed of the whiners, crying about the bad game, but not ashamed of the game of hockey players, never ashamed (but for the players ...)
        1. domokl
          domokl 20 May 2013 09: 32 New
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          Quote: We refund_SSSR
          So I don’t understand that such a terrible thing happened? is it a departure or account?
          It seems to me that the fact is that for some reason we are projecting that Kharlamov period of hockey for our time. And we do not give the right to mistakes for ours, according to old memory. But if you look at any hockey league and everything will become clear, the players will tell everyone their names for himself. Hockey began to level off.
        2. kostyan77708
          kostyan77708 20 May 2013 09: 50 New
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          I’ll fix it a bit, the next ones will be the Sochi 2014 Olympic Games! Here our ours must show themselves in full glory!
        3. Andrey57
          Andrey57 20 May 2013 10: 08 New
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          And I agree with Mikhail Nikolayevich Zadornov, who wrote on his blog that this time our team “Did not play for the Motherland” and that’s it, this is the link to the note itself: http://mzadornov.livejournal.com/108919.html , there he writes about the reasons for this situation in our sport, not only in hockey ...
          1. Gari
            Gari 20 May 2013 10: 24 New
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            Quote: Andrey57
            And I agree with Mikhail Nikolayevich Zadornov, who wrote on his blog that this time our team didn’t play for their homeland and that’s it, this is the link to the note itself: http://mzadornov.livejournal.com/108919.html , there he writes about the reasons for this situation in our sport, not only in hockey.


            Did last year mean play-dear?
            1. brelok
              brelok 20 May 2013 19: 30 New
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              Quote: Gari
              Quote: Andrey57
              And I agree with Mikhail Nikolayevich Zadornov, who wrote on his blog that this time our team didn’t play for their homeland and that’s it, this is the link to the note itself: http://mzadornov.livejournal.com/108919.html , there he writes about the reasons for this situation in our sport, not only in hockey.


              Did last year mean play-dear?

              Compare with our football players! They definitely didn’t go out to die for their homeland! Remember the game with the Finns: they pulled it out and won! They were ready to die but to do it! Or maybe it’s the coach?
          2. dima1970
            dima1970 20 May 2013 12: 25 New
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            Whose cow would moo, and Zadornovskaya would be silent. He lives in the Baltic states, and blames others for unpatriotism. Comedian in a word ....
            1. urganov
              urganov 21 May 2013 10: 41 New
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              Quote: dima1970
              Whose cow would mumble, but Zadornovskaya was silent ... Comedian in a word ....

              Have you tried these words to yourself? Shame on you.
            2. F117
              F117 22 May 2013 18: 37 New
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              Although he lives in the Baltic states, he was born in the USSR. And compared with most domestic politicians, I would call him a patriot of both the Soviet Union and the Russian Federation. And even more so as a brave man, because not everyone will decide to do so since he openly expresses what he thinks. And much more is hidden under the mask of humor than it seems at first glance ... In every joke there is only a fraction of the joke - this is exactly about him
        4. Papakiko
          Papakiko 20 May 2013 12: 19 New
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          Quote: We refund_SSSR
          This is a game - and WE ARE SUPPORT FOR OURS !! Hurray RUSSIA !! Hockey players - well done men! we are looking forward to success at the next World Cup. Fans - love the howling country and your game ... I’m ashamed of the whiners, crying about the bad game, but not ashamed of the game of hockey players, never ashamed (but for the players ...)

          It’s one thing when they don’t condemn and the teams REALLY HONESTLY fight for victory.
          Another thing is when the result is regreshed and the players have to break themselves and play with pants filled with dung and then "justify themselves", "fantasize" for the result.
          Russian hockey is not Russian football!
          It is in football that Portugal can “fly” 2006 World Cup. Qualifying tournament. Portugal v Russia 7: 1
          Jokes of fortune have nothing to do with it.
          With respect to all fans, fans and just people. hi
        5. Alexander Petrovich
          Alexander Petrovich 20 May 2013 14: 21 New
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          Quote: We refund_SSSR
          So I don’t understand that such a terrible thing happened? is it a departure or account?

          In the account, not in the departure, but in the - account. 8 goals for Russia is not excusable.
        6. Grenader
          Grenader 20 May 2013 15: 29 New
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          Quote: We refund_SSSR
          So I don’t understand that such a terrible thing happened? is it a departure or account?

          The fact is that many still remember the game of the "red car". With our great hockey traditions it’s so inconvenient to mess around.
          To be honest, I feel more perplexed than resentment. What is happening with Bykov, what is happening with Bellalitdinov. First, we effectively win, give out hopes, and after some time, a deafening failure with a bang. What happens to the team is a mystery. In principle, everyone understood that the composition was not the same as last year. But no one expected this failure. By the way, in 2010, when the Czechs lost in the fight in the final, no one sprinkled ashes on their heads.
        7. revnagan
          revnagan 20 May 2013 18: 34 New
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          Quote: We refund_SSSR
          This is a game - and WE ARE SUPPORT FOR OURS !! Hurray RUSSIA !!

          So it’s like that, but “it’s insulting, you panick ..., it’s insulting.” But once ... The whole family is on the TV, “we are ill” ... The stands chant “Tretiak, Tretiak !!!” Eh, our “crap” rivals. Well, nothing, maybe everything will return.
        8. Sirocco
          Sirocco 21 May 2013 19: 11 New
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          Quote: We refund_SSSR
          So I don’t understand that such a terrible thing happened? is it a departure or account?

          The point is both. And in a mediocre game. you said correctly zart_arn
          Quote: zart_arn
          Everyone who played hockey knows that this is a team game and everything depends on the teamwork of the team. If the team is not played, then the super players will not help, as we observe.

          Quote: We refund_SSSR
          Well, they didn’t win this time, they won next time.

          Next time it will be in Sochi, and do not let the dog see such a game for all of us. Your protection of our hockey players looks like a disservice. It is better for them to hear the bitter truth from the lips of the fans than the sweet lie. Lose to France, USA, this is not from the series happens. This is already part of the system. This one will lose, an occasion for our leaders to think about, this is what paid sports sections lead to, there are a lot of talents in the yard, but they don’t have a road to sports without BABL. And those who have money for the most part look with their hands from the back seat. And this is not only in hockey, but also in football, biathlon.
        9. Spectator
          Spectator 23 May 2013 17: 48 New
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          Quote: We refund_SSSR
          This is a game - and WE ARE SUPPORT FOR OURS !! Hurray RUSSIA !!
          Hockey players - well done men! We look forward to success at the next World Cup.

          That's really RUSSIA - GO!
          And all the mud-drinkers for correctional labor and courses to increase the feeling of patriotism!

          The publication "Soviet Sport" writes that those who did (about the Russia-USA game) saw their cheeks burned with shame, and some even began to hurt themselves against the Russian national team.

          What is it that turns out !? Anyway, in the forty-first they would start to “root” for the Germans once they “won” and go over to their side ?? All traitors - count!
      2. Papakiko
        Papakiko 20 May 2013 12: 03 New
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        Quote: domokl
        And some of us are happy to join, pour their share of slop.

        It’s regrettable but a fact, it’s either from a great love and passion for a sport or to “spit” in the souls and wounds of the first category.
        Quote: domokl
        And indeed the championship turned out to be a sort of surprise for many

        I do not agree with "surprises."
        All the "gifts" are man-made. (View the posts in the topic discussed: http://topwar.ru/28111-stalina-na-nih-net.html#comment-id-1170015)
        Quote: domokl
        It’s only the departure of Czechs or Canadians at the same stage as they did not cause such mourning in these countries. And they don’t see tragedy there

        These people have long been quietly aware that everything is being sold and bought.

        We are all trying to live and think in good conscience for the TRUTH-MOTHER "chopping."
        HUGE money rules sport, and where the money is there, there is politics.
        Sport in its purest form is extremely rare, and it is recessed.
      3. VAF
        VAF 20 May 2013 12: 36 New
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        Quote: domokl
        Yes, what happened in a particular game is simply not explainable, but it happened.


        Alexander, good afternoon!
        you are wrong here in that part that is inexplicable and the second, that for many it was a surprise!
        I explain why:

        1. It is clear to any athlete, even a former athlete, but not a sportsman, that TEAM games, which include HOCKEY, are played primarily by TEAM, and not by a group of professionals pulled from different teams and just a few weeks before the World Cup!

        Further, who understands, everything becomes clear and understandable, ordinary unpreparedness and not teamwork.

        2. Recruiting: this is when our team performed without CENTERFORWARDS ?????? All only Extreme or long or right! About protection in general .. I will not say anything!

        And everyone wanted a miracle from Kovalchuk and Radulov ??? But even they are not GODS and alone ... this is not possible !!!!

        3. The success of the Americans FORECASTED was completely, because. quote from the trainer- "the secret of success is very simple, I form a team, I open the training manual of the Great DAD of hockey Anatoly Tarasov and ..... everything, up to the last letter and punctuation marks and no gag"!

        And that’s all ... the result ..... 19, 21-year-old “teenagers” kicked everyone ... what would happen if the Stars who “hung” at the NHL Final really arrived? Yes, they would tear everyone to ... rags.

        Here, some forum users complained that after all, they won in the last Championship, so why, nothing ... at the last championship all the leading NHL clubs in which we play flew into the playoffs and therefore 16 people got into the national team (!!! !) here is the result, we are the first, and now ... sorry in ...... !!!

        Therefore, pouring slops on the Russian national team is also not patriotic, but it's just stupid!

        But the trainer and the federation need .... in short, you need to give in the neck and very tight!

        I apologize. If it is messy, but this is my opinion !!!
        1. Papakiko
          Papakiko 20 May 2013 15: 17 New
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          Quote: vaf
          at the last championship, all the leading NHL clubs in which we play flew into the playoffs and therefore 16 people got into the national team (!!!!) that's the result, we are the first, and now ... sorry in ...... !!!

          Sergey.
          You look from whom the Swedish and Swiss national teams are formed.
          Champions, Swedes:
          Goalkeepers: Yunas Enroth (Buffalo), Jacob Markstrom (Florida), Johan Gustafsson (Lulea). Defenders: Staffan Krunvall (Lokomotiv), Henrik Tallinder (“New Jersey”), Eric Gustafsson (“Philadelphia”), Petter Granberg (“Skellefteo”), Johan Fransson (“Lulea”), Tobias Wicklund (Motorist), Elias Felt (“XB-71”), Daniel Rahimi (“Linkoping”).
          Forwards: Gabriel Landescug (Colorado), Louis Ericsson (Dallas), Fredrik Pettersson (Donbass), Niklas Persson (CSKA), Simon Hjalmarsson (Linkoping), Oscar Lindbergh (Skelleftea), Kalle Yernkruk (Brunes), Joel Lundqvist (Frelunda), Jimmy Ericsson (Skellefteo), Dick Axelsson (Perlunda) Arlbrandt (Linkoping), Niklas Danielsson (The Lion), Martin Turnberg (Torpedo), Andreas Jemtin ("XB-71").

          Swiss: http: //ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/
          I didn’t specifically make a list of the players of this SUPER-MEGA team here, everyone who is interested, let them see with their own eyes.
          Quote: vaf
          I apologize. If it is messy, but this is my opinion !!!

          It's right!
          Everyone has their DISSENTING opinion, only "later or before" they begin to wave Yatagans. wink
          1. Hleb
            Hleb 20 May 2013 17: 47 New
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            in the Swedish national team on this list there are 6 nhl-sheep. in the Swiss national team even less. what does it say?
            By the way, where are the Sedin brothers? who made the Swedes champions
        2. Hleb
          Hleb 20 May 2013 17: 30 New
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          I agree with the position in general, but why did we play without centers? Everything was not so bad in this matter. how centers played, this is the second question.
          about the defense, again not very happy. but meanwhile we have a very bad selection.
          all this is not based on this particular championship, but judging by the statistics and the game of each player during the current and previous seasons.
          here you are wrong
          1. VAF
            VAF 20 May 2013 18: 09 New
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            Quote: Gleb
            but why did we play without centers?


            Dear Gleb, yes, because the team did not have a single center forward, or that. that Kovalchuk and Radulov periodically changed and ran to "substitute" .. the result is visible!

            a good selection is at the Swedes-1st place, Swiss-2nd place (damn country, smaller than the Rostov region), Americans-3rd place ..... everyone else, as you put it with a “good” selection-suitcase-station-Homeland , with nervous smoking in the vestibule!

            For any competition, any rank must be prepared in advance-OFP, game. specialized field training and TEAM !!!

            Everything, they didn’t come up with another way!

            And single stars do not save ... in any sports. where is Barca ... right ... well ... ne, because two German TEAMs came out !!!
            1. Hleb
              Hleb 20 May 2013 18: 21 New
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              Sergei had no time today. I’ll run away. But look at the line-up, Anisimov is a bad center? Kovalchuk? Power retinues, besides, Popov, though not clean, can play very competently both in the center and on the left edge, Tereshchenko should not prove his point to our eyes viability, because in both the regular season and at the championships he plays a lot. Kuznetsov. these are the best for today. (of course there are questions about Shchipachev and Tikhonov, well, there are minuses too)
              so look who played today and last year, what's the difference in performance? our centers are world-class masters and if you take France or Switzerland, then who will say that they have better centers?
              1. VAF
                VAF 20 May 2013 19: 22 New
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                Quote: Gleb
                Sergey once today

                Gleb, yes, I’m almost at the same exit .., but I’ll answer.
                I agree with a lot in your post, but ... Anisimov Center, but to put it mildly, I could not cope with its tasks.
                Kovalchuk? He’s been left all his life and in New Jersey he plays only left!
                Popov may, but did not play.
                I can’t say anything about Tereshchenko, at the World Championships it flew WHAT_TO is simply a super center, what now ???? Again, in my opinion the question is only for the trainers!
                And even transferring him to Radulov and Kovalchuk ... practically nothing happened!
                The suites are the same .. misunderstandings, lactions, well, I think it's just youth and a lack of joint training!

                Therefore, I don’t “sin” specifically on the players, but only express dissatisfaction with the actions of the Coaching staff!

                And in general, the attitude to the preparation of the TEAM !!! + drinks
        3. domokl
          domokl 20 May 2013 21: 30 New
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          Quote: vaf
          But the trainer and the federation need .... in short, you need to give in the neck and very tight!

          I greet you, Sergey. I used to be a professional athlete too. I’m not in team form. Therefore, I understand you. But somehow at the training camp, then CSKA asked the players after the loss, Why? You’re stronger ... You know what you answered ? The ball is round and everything happens ... And we play better and more skillfully, but the ball does not fly into the goal ...
          Why do we, more precisely, excuse me, last year we yelled at Urya! We are the most and our players are hockey geniuses ... but it was worth losing, or rather not becoming world champions (and we weren't them a long time ago) and everyone became goats and almost traitors to the motherland ..
      4. dark_65
        dark_65 20 May 2013 14: 48 New
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        Quote: domokl
        Yes, what happened in a particular game is simply not explainable, but it happened.

        It’s good, but simply, humanly, to apologize to the citizens of your country? After all, whose uniform are they wearing? Or is it just in the jurisdiction? And feelings, feelings, involvement in the country?
        Personally, I don’t need anything from them, but is it really difficult to just look into the eyes of the people?
        However, what to expect from the Ivanes who do not remember kinship.
        1. domokl
          domokl 20 May 2013 21: 37 New
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          Quote: dark_65
          It’s good, but just humanly apologizing to the citizens of their country
          Did you understand what you wrote? The players after losing in the terrible diplomatic regiment ... What apologies? Now we’ve arrived, everything will settle down a bit and there will be interviews and probably apologies ...
          You, the fan were shocked .. And how hockey players? Or do you really think that they SPECIALLY blew?
          Last year, the heroes, now scum and traitors to the country ... It sounds vile ...
      5. tomket
        tomket 20 May 2013 21: 21 New
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        so that's the game, did we lose the war? in my opinion, the liberals just had an occasion to say a word about Russia and that’s all, and we must be critical of such indignant statements and publications.
      6. Borodko
        Borodko 21 May 2013 16: 30 New
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        Keep it simple
    2. Asgard
      Asgard 20 May 2013 08: 47 New
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      Without politics, there is no way)))
      Team team, but there still depends a lot on the coach, methods for selecting players, what kind of "muck" they are fed before the match)))
      You shouldn’t put all the blame on the Guys, although for the future "tone" it may be worth it to "thicken" the paint)))

      What is it about Hockey We))), let's remember Football !!!
      We can’t win. WHY? We don’t know how to run? Maybe the Slavs cannot play as a team? But they won in hockey !!! This is a battle !!! Yes Game, but this is rivalry (on the verge of a foul))
      After all Slavs all Wars won!?!Honest in terms of military))))
      We lose only when we begin to select "players" in the team
      We look at the composition of the modern government ...
      look at the composition of the federations))))
      Leadership is the root of the problem (in the Team Game)))
      Therefore, "We" swept the country ...
      Treat each "game" intelligently, draw conclusions, build YOUR strategy ...
      1. Refund_SSSR
        Refund_SSSR 20 May 2013 09: 04 New
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        Let's remember the last World Cup and what place was occupied by our team and who was the coach ...
        And then we’ll think about whether all the time to put only one game or take risks and bring to the field a younger, updated roster?
        Of course take a chance! Otherwise, overnight, you may be out of work and without hope of success. So do all the teams in all countries of the world. And many teams lose at the risk of risk, but someone means inevitably wins.
        This applies to the composition of teams and tactics and equipment and power, and in general magnetic disturbances in the noo-sphere!
        But it is not necessary to bring down everything on the Trainer and the leadership and make absolution punishment!
        It's a game! And you can interfere with politics and boxing only in the Verkhovna Rada and fist fights for a mandate, but in Russia, let’s sport separately and politics separately.

        Well, you don’t have to mix hockey and football either ... Canadians are not stars in football either, just like the British with Italians, Spaniards and Brazilians in hockey. hi You have to be more consistent.
      2. VAF
        VAF 20 May 2013 12: 40 New
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        Quote: Asgard
        Team by team, but there still depends a lot on the coach, methods for selecting players


        Vladimir! Only +!
        I apologize that I did not “go down” the tape and did not read your post, so mine came out with your clean repeat, only more detailed and concrete!

        In all other respects, always and completely AGREE! +! drinks
      3. Borodko
        Borodko 21 May 2013 16: 36 New
        0
        Keep it simple
    3. fortunophile
      fortunophile 20 May 2013 08: 56 New
      +9
      Individually, our players are a cut above the class of players of other teams, but the team did not work out, that's the result. Ovechkin arrives, cannot train (lost luggage), but enters the game and cannot show anything. We are used to betting on our legionnaires, wondering if they will be released from clubs and always find ourselves in a state of uncertainty (they will come, they will not come) and with unplayed fives. I think it is necessary to focus on those who play in Russian clubs hi
      It’s scary to watch such a rout before the Olympics, but can it mobilize?
      1. domokl
        domokl 20 May 2013 09: 36 New
        0
        Quote: fortuneophile
        Individually, our players are a cut above the class of players of other teams
        Half of the teams are staffed just like us .. KHL, NHL. Therefore, the game became difficult. Everyone knows that everyone played against everyone or everyone played. And they just crush the stars .. remember the episode with Kovalchuk. They provoked and ultimately exchanged Player to player ...
        1. VAF
          VAF 20 May 2013 12: 54 New
          +4
          Quote: domokl
          Half of the teams are staffed just like us.


          Alexander, again WRONG !!!!

          Amer’s hockey (as it used to be with us) develops with DETSVA, all players are tracked and then several teams of future teams are created from them already in the early stages (for children, boys and juniors).
          All these teams constantly travel and participate in all championships, so players from an early age already know and understand each other!

          Remember the principle of acquisition of the USSR National Team by the Greatest Coach Atanoly Tarasov and his principle of “acquisition” of CSKA.

          And what we see now ...... but nothing ... one loot, as in football!

          After all, I hope it’s not a secret for you that KNL in finance takes the second place after the NHL?

          So what to do "discounts" on the fact that there are no fields. There is no inventory, there is none of this .... everything is there, but unfortunately, there are no teams because of the wrong, in my opinion, coaching approach.

          Not every professional player can be a coach, unfortunately!

          Remember, for some reason, when there were Tarasov, Gomelsky. Turchin, no questions arose ... they torn everyone in the 2-tail and the mane "!!
          1. Papakiko
            Papakiko 20 May 2013 16: 29 New
            +1
            Quote: vaf
            And what we see now ...... but nothing ... one loot, just like in football! After all, I hope it’s not a secret for you that KNL is second in finances after the NHL?

            Categorically true and shake my hand! ++++++++++++
            International tournaments are mirrored.
            Now the individual contracts of the players of the prize-winning three will become significantly more significant.
            1. VAF
              VAF 20 May 2013 18: 23 New
              0
              Quote: Papakiko
              Categorically true and shake my hand!


              Mutually drinks and +!

              Because I know (rather know) this "kitchen" from the inside!

              I won’t paint it, but imagine a picture ... a “yard box” and we, 16-18-year-old boys are all skating with a groove, shoes with ears, with banana sticks Toronto 2000, Kono is no longer prestigious , not to mention MEPhI with fiber and T-shirts Toronto Maple Leafs, Boston Bruins and Chicago Black House and this is in 1969 (!!!!)

              And it’s strange, that’s why nobody plundered, didn’t rape, didn’t rip earrings from his ears, didn’t do gop-stop, about alcoholism.

              Where did everything go ???? That's it .... HERE !!!
              1. VAF
                VAF 20 May 2013 19: 28 New
                +1
                Quote: vaf
                with banana sticks Toronto 2000


                Damn, the old one has already become, completely forgot about Artis, the same cool “sticks” were!
                I can tell you how, from a Soviet stick, with a planer, large-cell fiberglass, epoxy, stool and iron and two dumbbells of 5 and 8 kg, a quite decent "banana" was made, however, when the mother was not at home, because the iron then he cleaned himself very poorly. The smell in the apartment was not transmitted and it was possible to “snatch” on the neck at a time! wink
          2. domokl
            domokl 20 May 2013 21: 23 New
            +1
            Quote: vaf
            Amer’s hockey (as it used to be with us) develops with CHILDREN, all players are tracked
            alas, sergey, but you don’t know much about hockey cuisine. In Russia, hockey is now, like most sports games, and sections in general. It’s quite an elite occupation. Most parents can’t afford crazy money for uniforms, insurance, transfers.
            That’s why, now every player since childhood on the pencil of coaches. M, believe me, is tracked from and to. This year the Spartak youth completely accidentally reached the final of the Kharlamov Cup. Nobody thought that the team with the 4th goalkeeper would reach the final. And Spartak came out.
            I carefully watched this team (sinful. I love hockey, especially youth). So, the goalkeeper of the Russian national youth team came to the last match ... He just lost the World Cup at his age. As he stood there, a dream .. boy at 16 years old.
            But no luck (really no luck .. the Omsk hawks took the cup out of luck, not the game) He roared like a beluga on ice, and the sick people screamed -Young ... The sick Hawks screamed to the opposing team.
            Sorry for the digression (I remembered the final games), but so ... all the boys of these teams are not just in pencil, they have been in the draft for a long time. And not only in Russia, but also in other countries.
      2. Papakiko
        Papakiko 20 May 2013 15: 31 New
        0
        Quote: fortuneophile
        Individually, our players are a cut above the class of players of other teams, but the team did not work out

        Before making such conclusions, familiarize yourself with the collection schedules of all the teams and from whom they are formed.
        Quote: fortuneophile
        We are used to betting on our legionnaires, wondering if they will be released.

        Legionnaires have multi-million dollar contracts and they, as GOOD actors, will do what is required of them. Sports are ruled by His Majesty CAPITAL.
        1. ramzes1776
          ramzes1776 20 May 2013 17: 40 New
          +3
          Quote: Papakiko
          Legionnaires have multi-million dollar contracts and they, as GOOD actors, will do what is required of them. Sports are ruled by His Majesty CAPITAL.

          Why rely on legionnaires? Young people need to be recruited from their clubs and prepare them throughout the year periodically holding team meetings. We have so many unclaimed talents in hockey that there will be 1 applicants for 10st place.
          1. avant-garde
            avant-garde 20 May 2013 17: 50 New
            -3
            You, as a future coach of the national team of the youth name, please voice ??? So that these young people match the style and tactics of the game coach with this team !!
        2. avant-garde
          avant-garde 20 May 2013 17: 48 New
          -5
          I got the impression that all poop casters are ruled by ordinary human envy !!!!! You pay them, you keep them ???????? 100500 times I say the team plays for free !!!!!
    4. w.ebdo.g
      w.ebdo.g 20 May 2013 09: 01 New
      -11
      there is no sovereignty in the country ...
      1. BARKAS
        BARKAS 20 May 2013 09: 10 New
        0
        Quote: We refund_SSSR
        So I don’t understand that such a terrible thing happened? is it a departure or account?

        So I don’t understand that they forgot about such persecution of our team after winning last championships, how did Internet hamsters lament that our team is a champion? They had a whole hysteria about this, a common thing. Well, our guys will not cope with this in the first!
    5. Russian
      Russian 20 May 2013 09: 10 New
      14
      The picture has already been laid out, I repeat.
      The really important thing is that the trainers draw the appropriate conclusions. Yes, and teamwork is not enough, in the defense we play poorly, but to water for this dirt is somehow low. It's a shame, annoying, but we believe in victory in the next games !!

    6. evgenii67
      evgenii67 20 May 2013 09: 19 New
      +3
      Hello everyone!
      Quote: zart_arn
      Again they dragged politics.

      That's it! Hockey is a sport and there is no need to politicize everything. Our guys are still well done and there will still be gold! By the way, all the fans of CSKA football with a victory, and the youthful Russian national football team under 17 became the European champion, only there is nothing about such good news on Military Review request
    7. w.ebdo.g
      w.ebdo.g 20 May 2013 10: 24 New
      -4
      The Germans were surprised - unknown facts of history

      http://politikus.ru/events/4335-nemcy-byli-udivleny-neizvestnye-fakty-istorii.ht

      ml

    8. soaring
      soaring 20 May 2013 12: 19 New
      -4
      Ovechkin might not have come at all ... There was no sense from his game. And if you crap one's pants, then you need treatment for diarrhea, and not the weaving of politics! Sincerely.
      1. Hleb
        Hleb 20 May 2013 12: 29 New
        +6
        but nothing that he played with a crack in his leg? he has a goal plus a pass for the game. that is, he took part in two goals out of three scored by the Americans
        1. piotr534
          piotr534 20 May 2013 16: 52 New
          +1
          +++ from me!
          Ovechkin might not have come at all ... There was no sense from his game.
          And this Hovering comrade was apparently watching SANTA BARBOR at that time. laughing
    9. w.ebdo.g
      w.ebdo.g 20 May 2013 13: 34 New
      0
      just an interesting fact ...
      May 19, 43 The pilot Shevchenko saw that a wrecked German plane was trying to take off again, landed, killed 1 pilot and captured 2

    10. Nachkar237
      Nachkar237 20 May 2013 13: 46 New
      +9
      I generally remember losing to Canada at the Olympics in Vancouver, 7: 3 !!!!!!!! It's a shame, a shame ... but the desire to humiliate, insult neither then nor now will not be !!! It's a game! It didn’t work out now next time! This is a sport! And in memory always remains a great victory over Canada in the 2008th !!! The game is a masterpiece !!! And the championship of 2012? - because there is no defeat at all !!! And then - "We are the champions! We are the best! Well done guys!" ... and now trample in the mud? ... I'm not sorry! Well done guys, though, and let us down. Looking to the future! We hope, believe, support !!! This is real patriotism !!!
    11. piotr534
      piotr534 20 May 2013 14: 40 New
      +1
      If the team is not played, then the super players will not help, as we observe.
      Here I can’t agree with you, teamwork is a big plus, but not the main thing. All the leading teams in the same conditions, everyone declares the NHL players and the real pro is obliged to show a good game in any squad. The Swedish team must take off his hat to the Sedin brothers who did not come to go for a ride and come to plow for their country and the result is said in person .In my opinion, Bill made another mistake. He built the team’s game on Kovalchuk with Radulov and they are not able to lead, are not able to be an example. You look at their game, one narcissism and the desire to collect cream without doing rough work. They scored 2 pucks and because of their mistakes we missed 4. Who would like this arithmetic. The team skeleton should be from other players, look at Ovechkin, this is a plowman flying around the site and bringing the opponent to hysterical diarrhea and it doesn’t matter if he scores or not. The base of the team should be from responsible players who are ready to lie for the victory with bones, but such as Kovalchuk and Radulov should complement. And this time they just corrupted the morale of Andes. hi
      1. Papakiko
        Papakiko 20 May 2013 15: 40 New
        +1
        Quote: piotr534
        built a national team game on Kovalchuk with Radulov

        Stupidity!
        Quote: piotr534
        look at Ovechkin, this is a plowman flying around the site and bringing the opponent to hysterical diarrhea and it doesn’t matter whether he scores or not

        You apparently "follow" all the games of the "Great"?
        For starters, look at the statistics of this season NHL at the “Great” and remember how he played in Dynamo KHL.

        Check out the teams of all the teams of the past championship. hi
        1. piotr534
          piotr534 20 May 2013 16: 28 New
          +2
          Stupidity!
          None of this is stupid. I played hockey myself and I understand every player’s movement. I see when I’m tired, when I’m injured, when I don’t have the mood to play.
          You apparently "follow" all the games of the "Great"?
          For starters, look at the statistics of this season NHL at the “Great” and remember how he played in Dynamo KHL.
          Yes, where does Ovechkin? I mentioned him because he is one of those who, when coming to play for the national team, fulfills 100%. Neither he nor Malkin, nor Datsuk, nor Semin allowed themselves to turn around from the puck and go the other way as Kovalchuk, only because the partner did not understand him. The national team is not a place to show its ambition and discontent, it is necessary to solve common problems together in it. hi
    12. Civil
      Civil 20 May 2013 18: 58 New
      0
      This result has nothing to do with the IMHO site, however I will express BYKOV with ZAKHARKIN SO DON'T PROTECT ...

      And with them there was no such disgrace. Hello to Fetisov!
      1. krokodil25
        krokodil25 20 May 2013 19: 04 New
        0
        Quote: Civil
        And with them there was no such disgrace. Hello to Fetisov!

        But what about Canada-Russia 7: 3?
    13. Interface
      Interface 20 May 2013 23: 00 New
      +1
      Everything happens in sports. At the last World Cup, we did not suffer a single defeat. And today we are torn. There are no eternal champions in sports, we will win back in Sochi
  2. Septugian
    Septugian 20 May 2013 08: 02 New
    21
    This is our Team, our hockey players, and this is sport, it has periods of victories and periods of defeats! No matter how it is, I am for our hockey players! Victory will still be for us more than once!
    1. sergey32
      sergey32 20 May 2013 08: 20 New
      10
      But how young football players pleased!
      1. Refund_SSSR
        Refund_SSSR 20 May 2013 08: 46 New
        +1
        It would be better if the “adult” players were pleased.
        For some reason, the higher the league, the worse the game ... Our high-paying stars are starred and don’t want to play and don’t have to win (C)
        1. sergey32
          sergey32 20 May 2013 09: 57 New
          0
          They will grow up, will replace the snickering ones, they will certainly please us. I believe in our children!
    2. vladsolo56
      vladsolo56 20 May 2013 08: 47 New
      +2
      But I don’t agree on one thing, everyone who went to America is not our hockey players anymore. let them play in America and for whom they want, but not for Russia.
      1. domokl
        domokl 20 May 2013 09: 40 New
        +3
        Quote: vladsolo56
        But I don’t agree on one thing, everyone who went to America is not our hockey players anymore. let them play in America and for whom they want, but not for Russia.
        If you look at the lists of KHL teams, it turns out that half the world is no longer ours for many lol I honestly don’t understand that either. People went not only to play, but also to learn something new. Then they will return with money and experience and will teach our boys.
        1. vjatsergey
          vjatsergey 20 May 2013 13: 30 New
          +2
          I doubt very much that they will come and teach our boys. And what will they teach? Patriotism? How quickly does one learn to play well and topple with Russia, to please American fans? Not everything is measured by money.
          1. avant-garde
            avant-garde 20 May 2013 13: 34 New
            +1
            Datsuk comes to Yekaterinburg every summer and gives master classes to boys !!!!
          2. domokl
            domokl 21 May 2013 05: 33 New
            0
            Quote: vjatsergey
            How quickly does one learn to play well and topple with Russia, to please American fans?
            Every year, several dozens, or maybe hundreds of well-trained players of 22 years are released from the MHL. Of these, only 10 percent fall into the KHL teams (and regardless of the country, be it Russia, Ukraine, Latvia, Belarus or Serbia). go the rest?
            I heard about a dozen stars that had already opened there and became stars there. And how many returned with nothing? The same Perezhogin went and what? He sat on the bench and returned. And in the KHL he is a star.
            So do not put pressure on patriotism. The hockey player’s age is short. And then they are quickly forgotten. Yes, and we have an attitude towards them .. you see yourself. Yesterday there are champions and our pride, and today they are outcasts who insulted the whole country. Tomorrow they will win the Olympics - heroes again, but not all ... Someone will break from such criticism, someone will quit playing, someone will say, I don’t want to be doused with dirt anymore, I won’t go to the national team.
      2. DmitriRazumov
        DmitriRazumov 20 May 2013 10: 59 New
        +3
        who were called the protagonists of Russian sports yesterday: the same Kovalchuk with Ovechkin and other hockey players.

        I think it's time to abandon the practice of using NHL players. physically and motivationally focused on the NHL championship, use in the team as the main potential. You can, of course, invite one, two specialists, but only if they can participate in preparatory training in Russia and, thus hone interaction with other teammates, and this is the main thing in hockey. Hockey is a collective game, and if players do not hone their interaction during a long period of training, then such a team is doomed to defeat. Tarasov, Tikhonov sought from their wards, along with individual skill and a deep understanding of the tactics and strategy of the team, the feelings of a partner at a subconscious level. All fives were played to such an extent that the players understood their partners literally from half-gesture, half-movement, which provided an advantage in the combination game. In this, Soviet hockey was different from American, in this was its undeniable advantage and business card. At the present stage, in connection with the bet on legionnaires, it is not clear what arguments our going to defeat strong opponents. Therefore, this defeat is natural. But in the KHL there are many talented guys from which. indeed, you can make a good team without reliance on foreign players. We don’t need “NHL stars”, we need those who will win!
        1. avant-garde
          avant-garde 20 May 2013 11: 04 New
          0
          Tell me at least one played link from the KHL, except for a bunch of Popov-Perezhogin ??? You can’t understand everything, that the KHL championship will not be stopped for the sake of national teams and leading players from clubs for the sake of training for the national team, no one will let go of the club!
          1. DmitriRazumov
            DmitriRazumov 20 May 2013 14: 49 New
            -2
            Quote: avant-garde
            You can’t understand everything, that the KHL championship will not be stopped for the sake of national teams and leading players from clubs for the sake of training for the national team, no one will let go of the club!


            The GDP will tell and what kind of players it is necessary to let go of training camps to prepare the national team, and even without a squeak.
            1. avant-garde
              avant-garde 20 May 2013 17: 36 New
              0
              complete nonsense !!!
        2. piotr534
          piotr534 20 May 2013 17: 12 New
          -2
          We don’t need “NHL stars”, we need those who will win!
          You, here are pouring stamps without any orientation in the essence of the issue. There was no team at this championship and both the coaches and the players were to blame. The fact that they prepared mediocre and played for fucking ... this is evident with an unarmed look. hi
      3. vjatsergey
        vjatsergey 20 May 2013 13: 22 New
        +2
        so I think so, and also after all, the players of the family in America have signed contracts there and why should they give all the best for Russia. Yes, and I admit that they can come up and say - if you win, you may have problems in America. And you can even bathe down to the pillar - you don’t stand there, you have the wrong connections, you buzz at the wrong time ...
        1. avant-garde
          avant-garde 20 May 2013 13: 32 New
          0
          We’ll run a short run: 2008 World Cup Canada scored by I. Kovalchuk, World Cup 2011 2013 Canada scored the goal by Canada I. Kovalchuk 8 statistics I. Kovalyuchuk 8 games, XNUMX goals, question do you need this player of the Russian national team ???? If only the statistics and coefficient of utility of players from the NHL look then write !!!
      4. танк
        танк 20 May 2013 13: 23 New
        +1
        You do not forget that half of the best players in the world play in our clubs, for example, the best scorer of the last World Cup Petri Cantiola (Finn) plays in the Chelyabinsk tractor, I generally trudge from the comments of amateurs who have never played sports in life wink
    3. Per se.
      Per se. 20 May 2013 09: 27 New
      +6
      Quote: Septugian
      it is a sport, it has periods of victories and periods of defeat
      Of course, this is just a game, the sun has not gone out, life goes on, now, there was only SOVIET Hockey, where our hockey players have always been champions or prize-winners. They beat them, condemned them, but they won! Because the spirit was different, the moral is different. They played for POWER, not for loot. That’s the whole explanation.
    4. Gari
      Gari 20 May 2013 10: 04 New
      +1
      Quote: Septugian
      This is our Team, our hockey players, and this is sport, it has periods of victories and periods of defeats! No matter how it is, I am for our hockey players! Victory will still be for us more than once!

      That's right, there will be a victory
      1. Diamond
        Diamond 20 May 2013 12: 52 New
        +4
        Still to come. wink
        1. Captain45
          Captain45 21 May 2013 04: 32 New
          0
          My question is: for which team RUSSIAN fans hold a poster with an inscription in ENGLISH?
          1. Hleb
            Hleb 21 May 2013 05: 43 New
            0
            it would be strange to convince ourselves that the red car is back. It is naturally written in the international language so that millions of people around the world can read it
  3. cocktail46
    cocktail46 20 May 2013 08: 03 New
    17
    I will quote and agree with Hard Ingushetiya:
    Guys! Sometimes it happens that you do everything you can, but it does not go. You are well done anyway. We are proud of you. You fought, tried, but lost. This means nothing. We are all sure that you cannot be broken. Thank you for your game and for what you do. Special thanks to Ilya Kovalchuk, who knocked out the Finn, insistently demanding that he be given in the face. Once they gave him, he thought that was not enough. Not very athletic behavior from Ilya, but very correct. This is ours.

    In short, men, do not be discouraged, gather yourself in a fist and move on. If I had such an opportunity, I would go to meet you at the airport to tell you personally the words of support. When you win, we are happy. When you lose, we grit our teeth together. It is annoying, insulting, terrible, but the country is always with you. Thank you for the game. We will always be proud of you, we will always share with you the joy of victory and the bitterness of defeat.

    Just go out and play as you can. Defend the gate as if there is no goalkeeper, do not count on a friend, but remember that your friend can always count on you. But the main thing is to listen to the coach, because you win, but he loses. Thank you again. Hold on. We are with you.

    PS: Kovalchuk! The country is waiting for your tears again. Like in 2008 ...
  4. bazilio
    bazilio 20 May 2013 08: 11 New
    +8
    Anyway, Russian hockey is one of the best, with a rich and glorious history.
    First of all, hockey players criticized themselves and apologized to the fans, not like all sorts of arshavins after Euro 2012.
    Secondly, it’s not always possible to win, this happens, look at the Champions League this year, which is real, that the leopard is not in the final.
    And finally, you can fall into a puddle and sit there offended, blaming everyone and everything, but it is better to get to your feet after the fall, recover and move on. I think hockey players will still please with their victories and overcome all difficulties because - real men play hockey!
    1. domokl
      domokl 20 May 2013 08: 29 New
      +2
      Quote: bazilio
      Anyway, Russian hockey is one of the best, with a rich and glorious history.
      And you can’t argue ... We have good hockey players and interesting hockey. And the winning or losing puck is round, no one knows how it will behave today and what will be at the finish
    2. The gentleman
      The gentleman 20 May 2013 08: 44 New
      +1
      Vasily, good morning Komrad! Remember when Russia became the world champion, how it was discussed in our country and this is in Uzbekistan! Everyone congratulated and everyone talked about it. Nobody argues that Russia has the best team, but! the most "top" players in the Russian team! After all, it is the Russian players in the NHL who earn the most. It turns out the issue of discipline, responsibility has not yet been resolved. Ovechkin’s arrival was closely discussed before the game with the Americans, but why hasn’t he been with the national team since the start of the championship? there is already a question for the hockey federation itself ...
      1. bazilio
        bazilio 20 May 2013 09: 59 New
        0
        Quote: Gentleman
        Basil, good morning comrade!

        Good morning comrade !!
        Here, in addition to responsibility and discipline, there is also a financial issue. In the NHL, you can earn more money, so hockey players want to go there, they can be understood in this.

        Quote: Gentleman
        when Russia became the world champion, as it was discussed in our country and this is in Uzbekistan! everyone congratulated and everyone talked about it


        Yes, we were happy as if they were our own.
      2. krokodil25
        krokodil25 20 May 2013 10: 22 New
        +1
        Quote: Gentleman
        . Ovechkin’s arrival was closely discussed before the game with the Americans, but why hasn’t he been with the national team since the start of the championship? there is already a question for the hockey federation itself ...

        How his Nkhlov team lost and arrived
  5. GreatRussia
    GreatRussia 20 May 2013 08: 15 New
    +1
    In this regard, it is somewhat strange how some of our publications with little-explained savoring continue to throw mud at the Russian hockey players. We will cite just a few quotes from a number of our valiant media.

    What is so strange here? Since the 90s, virtually nothing has changed. These same, with the permission of the media to say, are gaining a rating among the yelling part of the population by throwing in words about "all the polymers" and "poison the dolls" instead of a sober analysis.
    It is enough to see how much howling and screaming, including Russophobian, is on the blogs of these same media.
  6. treskoed
    treskoed 20 May 2013 08: 18 New
    +1
    What do you want? Evaluation - based on the results!
  7. svp67
    svp67 20 May 2013 08: 20 New
    +1
    I understand everything and agree with the previous comments, but still very offensive. To have SUCH professionals, to pay them big money, for that ... I don’t even know what to call it, but it’s definitely not a game, but SERVING THE ROOM, I'm sorry but very offensive, especially when you compare them with the USSR team, which of course had their own misses, but it was still clear that she was trying, but modern .... Maybe it’s worth introducing some penalties, because someone is to blame ...
  8. Fox
    Fox 20 May 2013 08: 21 New
    0
    well purged, so what? it happens ... but it’s only a natural result of many years of sports discrimination. Remember the Tolyatti LADA! the team was simply destroyed on a far-fetched pretext. They forced the games to be shut down Muscovites (talking to the players), the sports schools closed quickly, the trainers were dispersed ... now where is the youth to get hockey? it’s expensive. They did what they wanted in the USSR. So, they didn’t have anything to drive the guys, they played as they could. Just ask yourself a question: WHAT I DID FOR THE COUNTRY?
  9. Gur
    Gur 20 May 2013 08: 23 New
    +3
    I don’t know how anyone, of course it’s very disappointing for the loss, but I personally do not say that all Russian hockey has died, although the experience acquired by our hockey players from the NHL is more harmful to us than good, and we lost our game. And if the author writes that the Soviet Legends have been playing for years, why not create triples from the players who played in their teams? If our NHL stars do not have time to skate, and where is our youth who played great in Canada? Why not make one of the five young talents? So, there are a lot of questions, the media may not be so strong and wrong, but they also know how to bend the stick. They, too, like in hockey, were lugging around in the west, now that this is not an article, it’s a sensation, that it’s not a number, it’s a catastrophe, you won’t see a normal analysis.
    1. GreatRussia
      GreatRussia 20 May 2013 08: 52 New
      0
      Quote: GUR
      I don’t know who how, of course it’s a shame for losing ....

      Well, this is a natural and normal reaction of any adequate citizen.
      It would be strange if it were different, what can be observed in the above blogs of some online media. Now this is really, very mildly speaking, a strange reaction.
  10. avant-garde
    avant-garde 20 May 2013 08: 23 New
    0
    Quote: treskoed
    What do you want? Evaluation - based on the results!

    Here are just an assessment of the clogging of our team should not be confused! The assessment is understandable, although it’s probably unsuccessful only for the result, you don’t know what conclusions the coaching staff made and which of these conclusions will be the results in Sochi! Of these defeats, we won the most valuable experience that will help us at the Olympics. Go Russia!!!!
    1. treskoed
      treskoed 20 May 2013 10: 02 New
      +1
      If the schoolchild or student has not completed the assignment, he gets unsuccessful! And then what conclusions will be drawn and get results - we will evaluate later. So it is here. With hope for the right conclusions and good results!
  11. capitosha1rang
    capitosha1rang 20 May 2013 08: 24 New
    +5
    I don’t understand hockey as much as a boy does not understand the end of the 60's, the beginning of the 70's, it’s clear that the last century.
    We did not go to church; for us, the street spill of the boys, Tarasov was a god.
    Hockey sticks were made from fir trees thrown out after the New Year holidays, pucks were stolen at the RTI factory.
    USSR - Canada, 1972 year.
    We knew our own. But they also learned about Phil Esposito (or so) and, holding their breath, squinted at His microcontracts with Alexander Ragulin.
    After more than forty years, the feeling that our guys fought as border guards defending the borders of their only homeland does not pass in 1972.
    What are today's athletes fighting for?
    1. Gari
      Gari 20 May 2013 10: 17 New
      +3
      And the USSR national team of the 80s
      impenetrable Tretyak,
      and a great five -
      Kasatonov, Krutov, Makarov, Larionov, Fetisov
      and coach Tikhonov, like his grandfather joked Tikhonov, put on his coat, everyone can’t help but win,
      how we were sick with friends, and then on the pavement we played hockey though with a ball, southern town
      where they didn’t see snow.
    2. Syrdon
      Syrdon 20 May 2013 11: 38 New
      0
      for the same thing, just this time it did not work out as it happens. we like everything at the extremes or we tear each and every one or we can’t merge epic in another way)) this is strong) Kovalchuk did a great job that we don’t have to joke with our guys, we can also turnips)) if you remember in those super series suffered from dentistry from Canada, and then they said play as you want and ours also began to give back .. Canada didn’t think enough)))
  12. posad
    posad 20 May 2013 08: 25 New
    +3
    There is no talk of any politics or bullying. Collective psychosis about herd sports is time to stop.
    The country must focus on mass sport for all age categories and on the development of martial arts.
    Just look at how much football players get. There are no brains, in principle, and they choose the same wives for themselves. And at this time we have a lot of social problems due to underfunding. Yes, the clubs are private, but the money then goes there. At the expense of them, an entire army of parasites feeds. Private club - and live on your money. They have nothing to do with Russia. Especially if you look at the composition of the players. Stop being in the heat of mass psychosis. Although it cannot be called massive, a huge number of people neither watch hockey nor football. It's time to change focus
  13. VohaAhov
    VohaAhov 20 May 2013 08: 27 New
    +6
    The greatest Soviet commentator Nikolai Ozerov correctly said: "We do not need such hockey !!!". And I completely agree with him. Lose to the "paddles" the French, well, the Finns can still be with a minimum score. But a young newly formed US team, and even with such a shameful score, is really a disgrace. Only our players play worse. Just excuses.
  14. ed65b
    ed65b 20 May 2013 08: 27 New
    +2
    And more young players win the KHL.
    And unlike the players who scored on the fans, our hockey players look like real men. we are with you. All ahead. And Sochi gold will remain at home. and silver and bronze will be taken away by Belarus and Kazakhstan.
  15. pensioner
    pensioner 20 May 2013 08: 28 New
    +1
    In fact, for me the most shameful defeat of our World Cup team was in 76g. (in Katowice). Managed to lose to Poland 4: 6 (if memory did not disappoint). That was YESAA ... No Kharlamovs helped. The reason for the current failure is clear to the layman as well - unconfigured. Those. lack of attention. Before the game, I did not gather, did not concentrate, did not lose all my possible actions in the brain - everything. You can’t get together in the game. And the competition in hockey is very strong now. The Swedes won barely barely from the Swiss in the finals took their feet. Good luck to the team at the Olympics! Victory will be ours !!
  16. pinecone
    pinecone 20 May 2013 08: 33 New
    +2
    There is no tragedy here, but professional players and sport dealers are clearly stuck. There is only one worthwhile practice of buying and selling athletes.
  17. Regis
    Regis 20 May 2013 08: 35 New
    +6
    The performance of the team, if not cool, shameful. Here and the defeat of the French on Victory Day and the defeat of the American youth. The main problem is that we did not lose because the opponent played well, but because we played poorly. Now the main thing is to draw conclusions from the defeat and not repeat the previous mistakes at the Olympics. Well, to true fans to believe and support our unexpectedly stumbled winners!
  18. Buran
    Buran 20 May 2013 08: 37 New
    0
    I don’t give a damn that I lost at the World Cup. Make the main Olympiad. And losing at the World Cup is not the command's insistence, but not its teamwork and slackness, they decided that the French were loshki, so they got it in the face, which is why it turned sour.
  19. Shadowcat
    Shadowcat 20 May 2013 08: 38 New
    -1
    The article is a definite plus. No, the guys still show themselves, arrange for them all that everyone around will cry for an explosion.
  20. cerko
    cerko 20 May 2013 08: 42 New
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    losing is not a test yet, testing is slop poured after losing, if they pass this test they will certainly become even stronger
  21. cahekmosa
    cahekmosa 20 May 2013 08: 44 New
    +1
    thanks to the author for the article, it’s really disgusting to read how our guys are being poured with mud for failure, although yesterday they carried it on their hands for victory. Good is quickly forgotten.
  22. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 20 May 2013 08: 46 New
    0
    I want to say about the Russian team. It seems to me that only the stupid one does not understand, a man went to America to play hockey, in fact he is no longer a Russian, his interests are above the interests of Russia. So find convincing arguments that this person will play honestly and fully laid out, or rather work for Russia. Hockey team game. Imagine the situation, the championship of Russia guys give all the best, deserve the right to play in the team of the country in which they grew up, in which they live, but the leadership decides differently instead of our players call on legionnaires. Well, I can’t believe that our athletes who live and work in Russia are so glad to welcome foreign players. Arrived, star, well, show me what star you are. It can not be? quite, we are all human. In general, until the national team gathers in Russia, and not around the world, there will be no sense. This is of course my personal opinion, but at least it is logical.
    1. krokodil25
      krokodil25 20 May 2013 12: 43 New
      +1
      Quote: vladsolo56
      vladsolo56

      You are wrong if everything was as you say, we would not have champion titles and our guys have proved it more than once and it makes no difference whether you play in the NHL or not, we’ll tear everyone to pieces in the Olympics!
      1. vladsolo56
        vladsolo56 20 May 2013 14: 17 New
        0
        There is such a clever saying: don't say gop until you jump over. wait and see. If legionnaires from abroad are invited again, then there will again be a drain.
        1. krokodil25
          krokodil25 20 May 2013 14: 25 New
          +1
          Quote: vladsolo56
          . If legionnaires from abroad are invited again, then there will again be a drain.

          They will definitely be there to harm you laughing and to the delight of our fans! good
  23. erased
    erased 20 May 2013 08: 48 New
    +5
    I won’t say about politics. But if the team failed the game and caught 8 goals - thanks for it is definitely not worth it. World Cup - not a passing game in the offseason. So the negativity is well deserved. Although it brings to the point of absurdity certainly not worth it. But conclusions must be made.
    And by the way, personal opinion. Why did you get the idea of ​​a banal drain. Why, why, and how? - I do not know. But looking at the torment of the team, I just could not find another reason for this ... skating.
    I am mistaken? Quite. And then what did the team do on the ice?
  24. avant-garde
    avant-garde 20 May 2013 08: 50 New
    +1
    Quote: vladsolo56
    It seems to me that only a dumb person doesn’t understand, a man went to America to play hockey, in fact he is no longer a Russian

    From your logic it follows that all the legionnaires playing in our league Russians ????

    Quote: vladsolo56
    So find convincing arguments that this person will play honestly and fully laid out

    Look at the statistics of our NHL players at the World Cup and see the arguments!
    1. vladsolo56
      vladsolo56 20 May 2013 08: 55 New
      +1
      statistics? Well, where is the result? or statistics per se, the result per se. As for the players of the Russian league, not all Russians, I just won’t believe that it is impossible to assemble a team worthy of a national team in all of Russia.
      1. avant-garde
        avant-garde 20 May 2013 09: 04 New
        0
        Bryzgalov (Varlamov)
        Nikulin - Biryukov, Kovalchuk - Tereshchenko - Radulov
        Tyutin - Medvedev, Ovechkin - Popov - Perezhogin
        Denisov - Belov, Kuznetsov - Anisimov - Petrov
        Zaitsev, Kokarev - Svitov - Soin, Mozyakin.
        The composition of the national team for the game with the United States, the NHL players themselves, count and do not blame everything that the NHL players arrived did not surrender to the game and lost.
        1. vladsolo56
          vladsolo56 20 May 2013 09: 22 New
          +3
          We do not know what was in their head when there was a match with the Americans, this is the first. Second, I’m not talking about how much they laid out, but about how much it was a TEAM, a team in the full sense of the word. Teamwork, mutual understanding, this is the basis of team play, even the best player in an unplayed team will not be able to do anything. You, as I understand it, a connoisseur of hockey, do you really need to chew such simple truths?
          1. avant-garde
            avant-garde 20 May 2013 09: 30 New
            0
            You understand that the coach conducts experiments, tries different combinations, looks at players for whether there is no teamwork and the tasks of the coaching staff were slightly different than the result, you need to look at the players who will go to Sochi, so to speak, it was a control training session before the Olympics.
          2. Hleb
            Hleb 20 May 2013 11: 12 New
            0
            and the Tretiak and not only him ... said before:
            But if we give in, there will definitely not be a panic. We have the entire training system sharpened for the 2014 Olympics, and until Sochi we will not shy away from side to side
      2. Hleb
        Hleb 20 May 2013 11: 39 New
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        I won’t believe that it’s impossible to assemble a team worthy of a national team throughout Russia.

        Vlad, well, for starters (to talk about it) you must name the obvious passengers in our team and give the names of those whom you would like to see in it
  25. Boot under the carpet
    Boot under the carpet 20 May 2013 08: 52 New
    0
    Oh damn it! Article from the water, in fact, everything is obvious! There were no worth NHLers. There was no Malkin and Datsuk, Ovechkin arrived late, but this is not the most important thing! The main reason is that there were no triples played. People were not played! The coach is not to blame. The composition is not organized.
    1. DmitriRazumov
      DmitriRazumov 20 May 2013 15: 20 New
      +1
      Quote: Boot under the carpet
      People were not played! The coach is not to blame. The composition is not organized.

      Please explain who in the team is responsible for the preparation of the team and teamwork of players, triples, fives?
  26. Belogor
    Belogor 20 May 2013 08: 55 New
    +1
    Come on, will sprinkle ash on your head. Well, they lost, with whom it does not happen. Coaches and players will take into account mistakes, draw conclusions and there will be "all hockey"
    True fans will never turn their back on the team.
    1. vladsolo56
      vladsolo56 20 May 2013 09: 04 New
      +2
      I’m thinking that those who have already left the championship in America, they somehow like a bulb to turn our backs on them or not. They have their own concerns there, which are completely unrelated to Russia and our fans.
      1. svp67
        svp67 20 May 2013 09: 07 New
        +1
        Quote: vladsolo56
        them like a light bulb to turn away from them, our fans or not.
        That's right, because the money for which they are now playing, they received ...
  27. wulf66
    wulf66 20 May 2013 09: 05 New
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    They like to scourge at us ... Sport is Sport, anything can happen. One of the childhood memories - the loss of the USSR national team to amers at one of the Olympiads, was also bitter and insulting, especially against the background of the Canadians won ... But I remember for sure that no one washed our hands.
    In my opinion, it’s worth trying to return to the system of the Soviet team, the backbone of which was the CSKA army club, which was constantly playing together, whose coach was the coach of the USSR team. It seems to me that the main secret of the success of that great team was hidden here. Well, plus, of course, a hockey box in every yard !!! I myself remember how the puck drove and how the coach of youth teams went around the yards ...
    1. svp67
      svp67 20 May 2013 09: 10 New
      -2
      Quote: wulf66
      . But I remember for sure that no one washed ours.
      Because they saw HOW ours play, and understood FOR WHAT, therefore they forgave, scolded, but forgave. And now they see HOW they play and understand FOR WHAT, therefore they do not try to FORGIVE ...
    2. vot-te-raz
      vot-te-raz 20 May 2013 11: 44 New
      +1
      If you lose in a fight, if you lose in the fight, clutch your teeth for victory, play until the last second, it’s 1 loss for that and no one will say the words. And if there is a drain (sleepy, not enough, not enough, just laziness, a long championship) then this another loss. And this second loss can not be justified.
  28. k220150
    k220150 20 May 2013 09: 10 New
    +2
    We live in a world where one follows from the other - “having removed their heads, they don’t cry through their hair”, this is about the country. Sport is a derivative of life, the result of more serious processes. Today everything is decided by money, no one will lose life and health for them, another motivation is needed - honor, memory of the victorious ancestors, remember, we lost to the FRUISSES on the day of May 9, and much more that cannot be appreciated in money. And we have reasons for moving from club to club only money. Therefore, further m. only worse if we ALL do not change their minds and be responsible for ourselves.
  29. avant-garde
    avant-garde 20 May 2013 09: 10 New
    -1
    Quote: svp67
    Quote: vladsolo56
    them like a light bulb to turn away from them, our fans or not.
    That's right, because the money for which they are now playing, they received ...

    Already mazol on the fingers, I will repeat to you once again they play for the team for free !!!!
    1. vladsolo56
      vladsolo56 20 May 2013 09: 18 New
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      and what did I write what kind of money? take care of your fingers.
      1. avant-garde
        avant-garde 20 May 2013 09: 20 New
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        This I do not ask you sorry, I addressed svp67!
        1. svp67
          svp67 20 May 2013 10: 00 New
          +2
          Quote: avant-garde
          This I do not ask you sorry, I addressed svp67!

          Yes, to the question of free participation. So the players of the national team play NOT FOR FREE, they receive money in their clubs, to which our federation COMPENSATES these costs, during the participation of hockey players in the national team ...
    2. svp67
      svp67 20 May 2013 09: 32 New
      +1
      Quote: avant-garde
      the same mazol on the fingers, I repeat to you once again they play for the national team for free !!!!
      Well, then there really was nothing to be offended by, they worked EXACTLY FOR MUCH, HOW MUCH they PAYED. And the costs in view - payments for accommodation, food and training should be written off at a LOSS
  30. fenix57
    fenix57 20 May 2013 09: 11 New
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    Well, it happens, although oh, what a shame ... They will win, OURS will win more than once. And the Swedes became champions after beating Switzerland! -5: 1 ...
  31. krokodil25
    krokodil25 20 May 2013 09: 12 New
    0
    These zhurnalyugi got it, as soon as our hockey players failed, they attacked like mad dogs, as if they gave the team a face, but yesterday, these same zhurnalyugi called our hockey players the revival of the red car, so we quickly forget about good things in order to pour dirt on people! And I I remember how the national team in 2008 won victory in hockey on the territory of our most arrogant enemies, despite the fact that the game was almost lost just a year ago, they tore everyone up so no one even kicked! So we all have to draw the appropriate conclusions for the coaching staff and tear everyone at the Olympics !!! am
  32. Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 20 May 2013 09: 14 New
    +2
    Kind! I watched the match, and alas, gentlemen, the fans, now big sport is very close to big politics! Beginning of 3 periods everyone remembers the segment of the game? The players showed how they can, and then began to play again as "necessary"! I do not believe in such a game of the national team! And those who amuse themselves with the presence of the NHL in the team, do not be mistaken! There are a lot of great players in the KHL! Yes, judging by the game, the guys did not lose, but surrendered !!! Comparing with a professional boxer who came out with his hands tied and they beat him. We saw the same thing in the game!
  33. Zeus
    Zeus 20 May 2013 09: 20 New
    +1
    Our hockey players are still the best, and they will tear them to pieces many more times)
  34. Belogor
    Belogor 20 May 2013 09: 24 New
    +2
    Yes, Russophobia and other animals, do not give a damn about the result, in any case, they scold. They have the meaning of life in this, curse Russia, and they will always find a reason for this.
  35. Hleb
    Hleb 20 May 2013 09: 37 New
    0
    I would like to take a deeper look at this issue. Shalaev touches on important points
  36. avant-garde
    avant-garde 20 May 2013 09: 41 New
    0
    Quote: svp67
    Quote: avant-garde
    the same mazol on the fingers, I repeat to you once again they play for the national team for free !!!!
    Well, then there really was nothing to be offended by, they worked EXACTLY FOR MUCH, HOW MUCH they PAYED. And the costs in view - payments for accommodation, food and training should be written off at a LOSS

    And about the last champion years, what do you say they also played for free?
  37. Canep
    Canep 20 May 2013 09: 47 New
    +2
    Fetisov about the defeat of Russia
  38. avant-garde
    avant-garde 20 May 2013 10: 06 New
    +1
    Quote: svp67
    Quote: avant-garde
    This I do not ask you sorry, I addressed svp67!

    Yes, to the question of free participation. So the players of the national team play NOT FOR FREE, they receive money in their clubs, to which our federation COMPENSATES these costs, during the participation of hockey players in the national team ...

    belay belay belay , I have not heard such an interesting version, please give the source where did you get this ??? You want to say that the FHR offset the costs to NHL clubs ???? The calendar of games in the KHL is designed in such a way that the playoffs end before the World Cup, and those NHL players who come to the national team are either players from teams that did not get into the playoffs or flew out of it.
  39. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 20 May 2013 10: 12 New
    +1
    Well, stop sprinkling ash on your head! For one beaten, two unbeaten give! What is the first time? Crawled out of such a hole, the main thing is to draw the right conclusions!
  40. armandos
    armandos 20 May 2013 10: 13 New
    0
    C'mon guys! This is a sport. Well, it didn’t work out ... ((Politics is out of place here! But it’s really time for Varlamov to change!
  41. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 20 May 2013 10: 14 New
    +1
    And you gentlemen scribblers from sports need to be a little smarter. Stop beating in your own way.
  42. RussianRu
    RussianRu 20 May 2013 10: 42 New
    +3
    Dear author. Volodin Alexey. All of this is certainly correct; “Yes - it hurts, yes - it’s humiliating, but the same hockey story teaches both hockey players and fans that one lost match is not the end of Russian hockey at all. And to understand this and understand the situation, just turn back, shake yourself and stop self-flagellating. " But, how and how to explain the lack of will, the lack of character of our hockey players. The second match with the Finns is subject to that. third puck finns in our gates, how do you ?. Not to mention the match with the USA. Elementary possession of the puck, transfers, stopping the puck, stroke, professionals must master these methods with their eyes closed. What I did not notice is behind them. For such a game, it is necessary, it is necessary, to give ruthless slaps. That's when you start to lie down under the puck, not sparing your stomach, then it will be reborn, not only hockey, but the whole of Russian sport. It is ridiculous to recall 90, then there was an excuse, there is no result, there is little money, there are fees in the west. Now the fees are more than in the West, and the results are worse. What is the reason? You need to be yourself, i.e. maximalists.
    1. Hleb
      Hleb 20 May 2013 11: 07 New
      +1
      But, how and how to explain the lack of will, the lack of character of our hockey players

      Peter Forsberg:
      -In defense of the Russian team I can say such a thing. It is very difficult to play an important match at noon. This is too early. The body does not have time to wake up.
      - As if the Americans did not go out to play an important match at noon.
      - They got used to a similar rhythm because they finished the group tournament with the same early meeting. And in vain you are ironic, this is all very serious. With Sweden at the 2002 Olympics, the same story happened. Everyone remembers how we sensationally lost to the Belarusians. But few people remember that this was also a very early match. Also at noon! Moreover, the rivals already went to the “lunch” fights in the group, but we didn’t. As a result, it all ended before overtime.

      ___________________________________________
      - It is very important that he (the coach) does not lose human relations with his stars. No need to fight with each other, look for the extreme, declare to the whole country: "This goalkeeper, that defender and a pair of forwards are the main culprits of the infamous 3: 8." If everyone inside the Russian national team does not quarrel among themselves, and rallies even more after failure, it will be the main contender for reaching the Olympics finals.
      1. RussianRu
        RussianRu 20 May 2013 14: 46 New
        +1
        All this, of course, yes, but somehow it looks like an excuse. Therefore, there must be character, will, patience. Of course, imported coaches will express a bunch of epithets to the Russian team, and put their fingers in crosses behind their backs. I don’t remember where this expression comes from, “we play for the fans”, so play in such a way that the fans are not ashamed even of defeat. In this World Cup, I am ashamed of the national team. That is, inside the team should understand who wrote, by name, then maybe there will be less ballast in the team.
        1. Hleb
          Hleb 20 May 2013 17: 19 New
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          but somehow looks like an excuse. Of course, imported coaches will express a bunch of epithets to the Russian team, and put their fingers in crosses behind their backs

          in general, this person can not be called a hypocrite. It certainly does not make sense to smear it. he is simply a professional and a great hockey player.
          if you quickly open a wiki. you can see
          Two-time Olympic champion, two-time world champion and two-time Stanley Cup winner. One of the three hockey players in history who managed to win each of these three tournaments at least 2 times (except Forsberg - Vyacheslav Fetisov and Igor Larionov
  43. Buran
    Buran 20 May 2013 10: 51 New
    0
    I just want to say: guys, hockey players, you’re men, not ... football players!
  44. baltika-18
    baltika-18 20 May 2013 11: 00 New
    +2
    "On the persecution of the Russian national team."
    They are all poisoned with dollars for a long time ...... And this is the worst thing to date.
    There is no antidote to this yet. It is unlikely that for many of them the prestige of the country and the mood of the fans are in the first place.
    Money .... This is in the first place. In the USSR, sport was a sport, even with an ideological and political bias, but not a big business, as it is now. And athletes are just small cogs of a big sports business car.
    And also about the revival of sports in modern Russia. It is doubtful ......
    Sportbar is not a gym. Of course, there are attempts, but the atmosphere in society is somehow foreign.
  45. aszzz888
    aszzz888 20 May 2013 11: 04 New
    +4
    Well, it’s not good for the guys! It happens. Although insulting and annoying. Those who chased the puck, the ball more or less professionally, know this sporting happiness. But in the end, you MUST win over yourself, over your opponent, over all enemies! And this is all SPORT!
    Good luck to our team!
  46. Opera
    Opera 20 May 2013 11: 13 New
    +4
    And you don’t need to sprinkle your head with ashes, it’s a shame for normal Russian people for the Power. We are maximalists by nature! According to the mentality, the winners are therefore victorious! And we forgive the defeats and understand in order to start up, get angry as it should and again see our flag at the same height that it is laid to it! But defeat defeat discord! This is just the case when you need to shame so that an honest Russian guy in a T-shirt with the coat of arms of the country would get to the bone! And someone should not wear this uniform or jacket with symbols if they don’t understand that our expectations are not our problems - this is a common thing!
    But you should not read Latvian newspapers at all! Their team must be smeared on ice, as indeed this time happened. Thank you for this of course, but this is normal and quite natural.
    But everything else is unnatural. For this we ask.
  47. танк
    танк 20 May 2013 11: 20 New
    0
    Foreign publications (in particular, Latvian newspapers) managed to christen "3: 8" from the Americans with Russian shame,

    We ourselves lost 6-0 dry, by the way, even with the defeat at this World Cup, we crawled only from 1st to 3rd place, but sorry, this is not bad either.
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 20 May 2013 13: 56 New
      0
      Just how these sprats need little for happiness! Russia lost to the states (what does it have to do with it?) - and it’s already good ... I can imagine what will happen IF THEY win against Madagascar. They will walk for a week.
      1. танк
        танк 20 May 2013 16: 19 New
        0
        They need to distract people's attention from problems somehow. They, like in Ukraine, have all the bad things in Russia, and all the good things are our merit and the worst is here, they shout about it so loud and long that many people start to believe in it !!
  48. spd2001
    spd2001 20 May 2013 11: 27 New
    -1
    Quote: We refund_SSSR
    So I don’t understand that such a terrible thing happened? is it a departure or account?
    Well, if in the departure itself, then the Canadians also flew in 1/4 like us, and I know only two hockey superpowers - this is us and Canada.

    But nothing, France leaked the game. And so nothing happened. They could “make amends” to France’s loss only if only if not by winning the World Cup, but by reaching the final. This loss was the swan song of this championship. This will not be washed off soon. And most importantly, the dependence of the success of our team on the presence of strong central forwards, in particular Malkin, Datsyuk, clearly appeared. As shown last year's World Cup, if available, who is the coach is not particularly important. Politics has nothing to do with it, but purely sporting is a great failure, not the absence of medals, but the lack of desire to win. Or excessive self-confidence, which is unacceptable for professionals.
  49. Hleb
    Hleb 20 May 2013 11: 53 New
    +1
    unfortunately, in world hockey there is no such person as No. 17 of the USSR national team


  50. Rrv
    Rrv 20 May 2013 12: 15 New
    +8
    Ah - they lied, ah - harassed the team, ah - yep .. Someone even in his commentary on the Chubais pimple Zhenya Fedorov with his sovereign Russia remembered. laughing

    It’s time to already understand that big sport is just a show business, a kind of “Eurovision”, and has nothing to do with honor or prestige of the country.

    And the reasons for such defeats lie in the substitution of the value system.
    1. Hleb
      Hleb 20 May 2013 12: 34 New
      +1
      the picture-argument is certainly serious, only well-known athletes as well as veterans, there were cases, they died in poverty. These Great ones, such as Fetisov, Tretiak ... remain at the top, and after all many after thirty with injuries can not find a place
      1. Rrv
        Rrv 20 May 2013 12: 50 New
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        In poverty, people began to die after the 90s, but the reasons for this poverty are very different.

        Then - what benefits does the sport of high achievements bring? Injuries - yes, instilling false patriotism into society - yes, the opportunity for some to “earn” - yes, but what is the use for society, for the country? I don’t see such a benefit, especially when it comes to the post-Soviet period.
        1. krokodil25
          krokodil25 20 May 2013 12: 57 New
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          instilling false patriotism into society - yes

          What false patriotism are you talking about !?
          1. Rrv
            Rrv 20 May 2013 13: 11 New
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            Quote: krokodil25
            What false patriotism are you talking about !?


            When the experience and joy of real problems and achievements of the country and society are replaced by the experience and joy of meaningless victories and defeats in sports.
            1. krokodil25
              krokodil25 20 May 2013 13: 41 New
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              meaningless victories and defeats in sports.

              Well, it's for someone like.
              1. Rrv
                Rrv 20 May 2013 14: 02 New
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                Quote: krokodil25
                Well, it's for someone like.


                Super! laughing

                Do you know the difference between the concepts of "subjectivity" and "objectivity"?
    2. posad
      posad 20 May 2013 17: 17 New
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      Absolutely right. What does big sport and country have to do with it? Big sports are private ambitions that have nothing to do with the state.
      A nation should be healthy, and not its individual citizens. It costs too much for someone's vanity