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Heavenly Grandmaster

Pavel Mikhailovich Kamozin is one of the most successful pilots of the Second World War. A simple Bryansk worker who was in the pre-war time, a modest and short guy in the sky turned into a formidable and invincible ace, as if by magic, even famous German aviators could not resist. His special talent was the ability to calculate the battle like a huge chess game a few steps forward and each time to find new unpredictable combinations of conducting an air duel.

Heavenly Grandmaster

Pavel Kamozin was born on July 16, 1917 in the city of Bezhitsa (now the region of Bryansk). After graduating from six grades of high school in 1931, he entered the factory school. For the first time, his flying abilities appeared in the year 1934 in an aero club at the Krasny Profintern plant (today it is the Bryansk Engineering Plant), in which young Kamozin got a job as a mechanic. In the evenings, the guy always went to the club, where he spent all his free time. Instructors immediately noted his outstanding ability to control aircraft. Since 1937, Kamozin served in the ranks of the Red Army, and in 1938 he became a graduate of the Borisoglebsk military aviation school bearing the name of the famous Valery Chkalov. After graduation, he remained to work there as an instructor pilot.

Pavel Mikhailovich met as a junior lieutenant as part of the reserve aviation regiment of the Kiev military district, which then became part of the South-Western Front. Immediately after the rally held on the parade ground, at which the German invasion was announced, Kamozin appealed to the command with a request to send him to the front. I didn’t have to wait long, already 23 June had a chance to join his first air battle with the enemy. In submission at Kamozin, who was appointed commander of the link, there were seven fighters and X-Numx. Their duties included patrolling airspace over the Black Sea coast and covering the landing of paratroopers' units. The patrols proceeded calmly, until suddenly six German Messers appeared on the horizon. The enemy confidently went towards rapprochement, Kamozin ordered the pilots led by him to close in tight formation and prepare for the attack.

Pavel always showed brilliant results when shooting in training battles, but there everything was not real, for the first time before him there was a real enemy. Later, Kamozin admitted that doubts had seized him for a second. Just remembering his own words, which he spoke to the disciples that “at the cost of even a second delay, one’s own life can become”, Paul stopped hesitating and, letting the enemy as close as possible, opened fire. The victory in that battle remained with him, but during the baptism of Kamozin was seriously wounded in the leg. The bullet pierced his foot through. At the time of treatment, Paul had to leave the front and go to the hospital in the rear. Then part of it was sent for retraining to fly the new LaGG-3 fighter jets. From the end of December, 1941 of the year and until October of 1942, Kamozin as a pilot of the 253-th reserve aviation regiment mastered the LaGG-3 piloting technique, while managing to train young pilots. More than forty aviators were released to them during this time. Finally, a year later, Paul returned to the fighting.

In a memorable battle over the village of Shahumyan, Kamozin acted as a flight commander consisting of five airplanes of the 246 th aviation regiment (LaGG-3) and two Yak-1, which were part of the 518 th air regiment. October 7 1942-year, this group of fighters began to perform the task, which consisted in covering the parts of the Eighteenth Army. Lined up in two tiers, Soviet aircraft collided with a superior German aviation group consisting of eleven Ju-87 dive bombers, four 110 "Messers" and six Me-109 covering them. According to Kamozin's plan, the five Laggovs rushed towards the German fighters, and the Yakov couple attacked Ju-87, which had begun bombing. A battle ensued, which the pilots call the “dog dump” when the battle order collapses and everyone acts independently. Soon, the battle spread to bends, where domestic LaGGi had an advantage over Me-109. Despite the numerical superiority of the enemy, in ten minutes of the air duel, the pilots who joined the Kamozin group managed to destroy eight German aircraft, three of which were shot down by the flight commander himself. However, the victory was not easy, our losses amounted to four aircraft.

It was during this period that Paul also managed to take part in air operations along with a pilot, Lieutenant Colonel Dmitry Leontievich Kalarash, who had become famous in prewar times, whom he considered one of his teachers. The brave fighter pilot died in one of the fights in November of 1942. But Pavel Mikhailovich always remembered and loved to repeat to his students his words that “the pilot's heart must be made of steel, so courageous that it does not tremble, even if the seat in the plane has a wooden back”.

At the end of the 1942 year, Kamozin was appointed deputy squadron of the 269 th Fighter Regiment. During the first month of the fighting after his return to the front, the brave pilot managed to shoot down four Nazi aircraft, among which was the well-equipped Do-217. By the beginning of March 1943, the number of enemy planes destroyed by Paul reaches twelve. They were shot down during twenty-three air battles. By that time, he already had eighty-two combat sorties. The victories strengthened Kamozin’s confidence in his abilities, made him famous, and helped his commanding authority strengthen.

In the spring of 1943, after heavy fights with the enemy, the 269 regiment lost a significant part of the equipment, and therefore was sent to the rear and disbanded. 1 May 1943 for his courage, resourcefulness and heroism in the battles with the fascists, Pavel Kamozin was awarded the title "Hero of the Soviet Union." He was awarded the Order of Lenin, as well as the “Golden Star” of the Hero. With each successive act, the pilot confirmed that he received this title not in vain. After the regiment was disbanded, being in the rear of 1943 in the summer of the year, Kamozin was among the first to master a new American-made F-39 fighter named “Air Cobra” and continues his fight with the enemy already as part of the sixty-sixth IAP of the fourth air division army. In the very first battle, Kamozin knocks down the German FW-329 reconnaissance aircraft, but his Air Cobra receives serious damage from anti-aircraft artillery fire and the pilot has to urgently land the fighter in the neutral zone, and then independently reach the trenches of the Soviet units.

It should be noted that in addition to patrolling the territories, covering ground Soviet units and attack aircraft, Kamozin often had to make reconnaissance missions. The data obtained by him during the flights were always confirmed and helped to destroy significant enemy forces. So in January, the 1943 of the year at the airfield of Krasnodar, the pilot was able to detect enemy aircraft of about fifty units. After Paul’s urgent report on the discovery, Soviet attack aircraft, which had risen into the air, were able to destroy about two dozen fascist aircraft. Soon, having appreciated the skill of an experienced pilot, the command appoints Pavel Kamozin as a squadron commander.
Another noticeable battle took place when Kamozin’s group of five fighters, returning to the base, found thirteen “Junkers” who had taken off to bombard our units. Suddenly attacking enemy planes, the pilots forced the Germans to bomb a little earlier than the intended target. As a result, part of the bombs fell on the position of the Nazis. The confused, scattered group of German aircraft attempted to turn around and leave, but Kamozin had completely different plans. In that battle, he personally shot down one enemy plane and shot down the other two. His subordinates, who also destroyed two more German bombers, quickly found their way in the situation.

Co-workers respected and loved Pavel Mikhailovich, admiring his martial skills. The special audacity and assertiveness of Kamozin in the conduct of air battles always brought results. He did not frighten the fascists, he beat them with a short aiming shot from close range, shot at close range. Soon this handwriting became recognizable in the camp of the enemy, the German pilots startled at the thought of meeting him. Kamozin’s dedication and talent were especially vividly displayed in the fierce battles for the liberation of glorious Sevastopol, when sixty-four enemy aircraft were shot down by his squadron, nineteen of which were destroyed by the commander himself.

Here is what one of his colleagues wrote about Kamozin: “He saw very far. You are flying here with him, and he says: “Look, a pair of Fokkers, you look and you don’t see. And a couple later appears. And in aviation, after all, it wins who first saw it. He has more chances. Ability to gain greater height. As said Pokryshkin: height, speed, maneuver and fire. If there is a height, then any speed can be overclocked. Who has height, always dives and speed catches up. And since there is speed, then it is possible to do any maneuver at the expense of it ... ".

The day of December 31 of 1943 became remarkable for Pavel Mikhailovich. Kamozin and his permanent wingman Vladimir Ladykin, who had taken off for reconnaissance, were already returning home, but they noticed a group of six German Me-109 fighters accompanying a transport plane in the area of ​​the Seven Wells village. In Paul’s head, the thought immediately arose that such an honor would not have been given the usual weight. Having approached at maximum speed and not letting the protecting Messers recuperate, Kamozin walked in a long queue along a guarded transport worker, who immediately tilted and began to fall. And two Soviet fighter quickly dissolved in the evening sky. And only three months later, Pavel learned that on board the plane he had shot down, German generals were flying to a celebration in honor of the New Year, who were carrying honorary awards for especially distinguished soldiers. The holiday at the fascists was spoiled, and in the German troops mourning was declared for several days.

Bold attacks and successes Kamozin could not go unnoticed in the camp of the enemy. The destruction of a group of high-ranking Fritz overflowed the patience of the German command. A real hunt was announced for the brave pilot, according to some information it was assigned to one of the most experienced fighters of the “diamond” squadron Goering, the first pilot in the world who won more than two hundred victories, the pilot named Herman Graf. He distinguished himself in battles in the skies of Western and Eastern Europe, his style was characterized by particular aggressiveness and ruthlessness. Dozens of downed Soviet aircraft were listed on the account of "The Auburn Ace", he commanded an entire tactical school to retrain German pilots arriving from the front. Having learned about the plans of the Nazis, the Soviet commanders rushed to warn Kamozin. The authorities directly told him: “The best pilots from the aerobatics school in Berlin have announced a hunt for you. Colonel Graf was ordered to destroy Chief Lieutenant Kamozin by any means. You are allowed for ten, fifteen days, twenty days not to fly, to rest. ” Low, stocky Paul calmly replied: "And why should he hunt me, and not me, this Count?" The bosses in reply: “We cannot order you, the pilot must make a decision himself”.

Well aware that the battle would be far from easy, and the destruction of the Count could significantly affect the morale of German aviators and soldiers, Kamozin began to prepare for a meeting with the enemy, studying his tactics at his leisure, assessing all the known strengths and weaknesses, working with his wards and negotiating with them about all the details of the interaction in battle.

And the meeting with Kamozin Graf still took place. It happened when four Soviet fighters returned after patrolling to their airfield. The Soviet pilots, like the German ones, knew all the callsigns of especially famous aces like Pokryshkin well. Despite the fact that there was very little talk on the radio when the air battle was going on, everything was "directly." Our ground service had time to warn Paul about the appearance of the Earl, and the pilot decided not to evade the attack. In the head of Pavel, the original and bold plan to destroy the enemy has long been mature. Leaving a couple of his followers behind, he ordered them to rise to a height of six and a half thousand meters and carefully watch around. And he went on. The count gained a height of about five thousand meters, Kamozin, three or four hundred meters below, circling, approached the enemy as close as possible. His idea was to expose himself under the blow. As the experienced pilot had hoped, the Count was seduced by the opportunity to come to his tail, and as soon as the chance presented himself, he immediately attacked the Soviet fighter. Pavel began to walk away from the fire, abruptly, in the manner of Pokryshkin, removed the gas and left the sight of the German pilot, who decided that he was continuing to go at high speed. After that, Kamozin made a controlled barrel and went out a couple of hundred meters in the tail of the Count's plane, attacking him straight off. Switching attention to defense, the German began to go up sharply, to gain altitude, but there a couple of Kamozin-led ones were already waiting for him. Seeing them, the Earl turned down again, and Pavel’s fighter aircraft flashed a German plane, which began to fall apart right in the air.

For a long time, our pilots thought the German colonel was dead, but it turned out that he managed to jump at a low altitude with a parachute. When news of this reached Göring, he sent an order to the pilot to go back to school with the words: "You cannot be left there anymore, and then they will finally kill everyone." And Pavel Kamozin wrote a letter to his family that day: “The time is hotter now. Every day, intense battles. We have learned to hate the enemy and mercilessly destroy him. ”

The combat technique that the squadron commander liked to use was always distinguished by daring, stunning adversary attacks. Owning perfectly all the aerobatics, Kamozin was able to quickly navigate in the current situation and choose the most appropriate techniques. He improved daily in his business, the high skill of the pilot helped not only to successfully fight a dangerous, insidious and well-trained enemy, but also saved the lives of his comrades more than once. In one of the battles, the young ward of the commander, Lieutenant Toichkin, missed the moment when one of the enemy's Messers settled down at the tail of his plane and prepared to attack. But Kamozin managed to open fire for a moment before the German and thereby saved the life of the pilot. After this air battle, Paul was presented to the Order of the Patriotic War, I Degree. At the beginning of winter, 1944, in fierce battles with German planes, the pilot managed to shoot down two more German aces. By the summer of 1944, in the individual competition, which had already become captain of Pavel Kamozin, there were twenty-nine downed enemy aircraft, thirteen units were destroyed in groups with his participation. At that time he conducted fifty-six air battles and made one hundred thirty-one combat sorties. For his outstanding achievements in July 1 1944, the government presented him to the second “Golden Star” of the Hero.

At the beginning of 1944, the army newspaper Krylya Sovetov wrote a commendable article about the heroic pilot, trying to analyze what Paul’s strength was and why he fights more successfully than others. At the end of the article, it was noted that "every fighter must be equal to Kamozin, whose keen eye always manages to find the enemy first."

However, among the valiant and victorious pages of the biography of a brave fighter were both difficult periods and frank failures. A couple of times he had to plant a burning car, barely reaching its territory. Once he "drove down" a padded fighter into the water in the sea. He was rescued by the staff of the medpost, located on the Tuzla Spit. There was also a nosing (flipping of a fighter onto the back through the head) on a split runway shells. Miraculously surviving, Paul always managed to find ways out of even the most difficult situations, analyze what happened to him and draw the right conclusions. And as if by a twist of fate, he could not find a common language only with the authorities. And during the war years in the flight troops, there was an order to punish pilots for the slightest violation of discipline, despite their merits, up to and including dismissal from the army. In 1944, direct management wrote a report to Pavel, after which he was first removed from his position as commander of the squadron, and later, after the war, and completely dismissed from the army.

20 January 1945 of the year Pavel Kamozin suffered another accident on his Aerocobra, the engine went out and the car slowly fell to the ground. The pilot was fantastically lucky, he was still alive, but he received very serious injuries to the lower part of the body that threatened him with an amputation of his left leg. However, risking his life, Pavel Mikhailovich insisted on the preservation of his limb, his willpower helped to avoid the operation, after which he would have remained crippled. Victory May Day Kamozin met in the hospital ward.

After the end of the war, from the 1946 year, Pavel Mikhailovich Kamozin continued to work, but already in civil aviation, teaching young pilots. This brave man left 24 on November 1983 of the year. The hometown of Bryansk remembers his heroic compatriot - a bronze bust of the hero was installed in one of the parks, and from 1985 of the year the aviation club, where Kamozin once worked, bears his name. In addition, the name of the talented hero pilot named one of the streets of the city, and the Pavel Kamozin Museum was founded at school number XXUMX.

Fighting on the North Caucasus, Transcaucasian, Southern and other fronts, Pavel Kamozin made about two hundred combat sorties, in merciless air battles he won forty-nine victories: he personally destroyed thirty-six enemy planes and thirteen together with his comrades. Many historians say that thirty-six airplanes are far from all that a brilliant pilot actually shot down ....

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  1. Titov
    Titov 21 May 2013 07: 03 New
    Glory to the heroes!!!
    1. valokordin
      valokordin 21 May 2013 16: 27 New
      Quote: Titov
      Glory to the heroes!!!

      As I come to Bryansk to the homeland of my father, who also graduated from the same flying club in 41, also as a former pilot instructor of Borisoglebsky VAUL, I always come to the city cemetery to honor the memory of my grandfather and grandmother. There I always come to the alley of buried Bryansk heroes of the Soviet Union and specifically to the monument to P.M. Kamozin. Father said about him that Pavel Mikhailovich was difficult to agree with his superiors, had an independent character, could take on his chest fairly, but he was always ready for battle. At the end of his life, he could afford to drink under his bust and the police did not touch him. Glory to the Stalin Falcons.
    2. baku1999
      baku1999 21 May 2013 17: 37 New
      GLORY TO THE HEROES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  2. Snoop
    Snoop 21 May 2013 07: 06 New
    Article plus. There were many smart and skillful pilots and air fighters in the Red Army Air Force. Long ago acquired the book "Aces of Stalin", where a list of Soviet aces from 1918-1953. with a short biography and a winning score. Even foreign tovarischi managed to publish such a book - Polak, Shores. Such a chubby volume turned out. There are many surnames :) There is even such a pilot - Williamson Alexander Alexandrovich :) It was indicated in the volume that until the end of the war Kamozin had won 48 victories :) They also pointed out the shooting down of "Count" :) - ... shot down 19 more planes, including the pilot's plane Luftwaffe, which the Soviet pilots called "Count"))) It turns out that they did not shoot down the Count, but whom the Soviet pilots called so names that a foreign publication should do.
    Why don't our historians release such a book?
    1. buk-m1
      buk-m1 21 May 2013 15: 53 New
      There is a book called "Attention in the Sky Kamozin", I don't remember the author
      1. Snoop
        Snoop 21 May 2013 20: 15 New
        I'm actually about a book in general about Soviet aces, list, biographies ..
  3. igordok
    igordok 21 May 2013 08: 17 New
    Not a bit diminishes the actions of our ASA.
    But in the battle with the Count the Slave Count was never mentioned. I don’t think he would fly alone. They usually even flew in two pairs. Perhaps they did not notice him in the battle park.
    As far as I heard the German aces, the "experts" - as they called themselves, took their wingmen into battle - were ignorant. Which would be conspicuous and would be a tasty bait, and the "expert" would bring down everyone who fell for the bait.
    1. Avenger711
      Avenger711 21 May 2013 09: 16 New
      The integrity of their own skin depends on the slave, and the charter of our Air Force directly demanded to identify and bring down the commander without exchanging a trifle.
    2. Snoop
      Snoop 21 May 2013 11: 11 New
      Usually, a German expert had a support and security group of 4-6 fighters. He took it from the memories of our veterans. The group arranges a dog landfill, and the ace circles on their 5-6 km and selects the moment to strike. Hit .. hit .. did not hit .. again up 5-6 km, using high speed, like a swing. Later, our pilots, accompanied by attack aircraft and bombers, wrapped this tactic in their favor. When meeting with such a group of German fighters, ours attacked the German ace, the support group immediately threw attack aircraft and rushed to defend their alpha male.
    3. reichsmarshal
      reichsmarshal 21 May 2013 23: 32 New
      Gnrath's wingman was by no means an ignoramus - Alfred Grislavsky. And the Count was indeed hit, and twice: the first time by V. Popkov over Stalingrad, the second time by Kamozin. But both times he held out on a leaky plane. And in 1994, Gunther Raal, who came to Moscow, even said to V. Popkov: "It's good that you shot down the Graf then - he is still a type!" The Count was disliked after the war for his cooperation with the Soviet Union (although it is not known how sincere he was). Hans "Assi" Khan called him a traitor. But in the GDR he was a very authoritative person.
      1. Day 11
        Day 11 21 May 2013 23: 38 New
        In "Famous Biographies of Baden-Württemberg" by Henry Bücheler, it is indicated that the Earl was temporarily affiliated with the pro-communist Nationalkomitee Freies Deutschland.

        Hans Khan directly accused him of collaborationism in his memoirs, from which all the noise went.
  4. Myasnov
    Myasnov 21 May 2013 08: 32 New
    We loved our aces. Aerocobra. Although our planes shot down the enemy is not bad.
  5. smershspy
    smershspy 21 May 2013 08: 55 New
    Quote: Titov
    Glory to the heroes!!!

    I agree! The article is good! There is something to be proud of!
  6. smershspy
    smershspy 21 May 2013 08: 55 New
    Lord! Aces from aces! Glory! Glory!
    1. valokordin
      valokordin 21 May 2013 16: 32 New
      This is who gentlemen are for you, the Stalinist falcons are not gentlemen, but military comrades. Do not confuse with the gentlemen of the Luftwaffe
      1. agrindler
        agrindler 5 June 2013 15: 56 New
        He probably means by gentlemen - comrades! Messrs. Officers of the Russian Empire, Russia and of course the USSR! And you as vultures immediately record it to the Fritz! Nothing to write, no need to find fault with people!
      2. agrindler
        agrindler 5 June 2013 15: 58 New
        You had to come up with - "VALOKORDIN"! smile Definitely not a military, but most likely a blogger! laughing From nitpicking, the rating is no good to raise! Low! I more and more dislike the site ....
  7. Forest
    Forest 21 May 2013 09: 08 New
    My fellow countryman, I live in one stop from the house of Kamozin.
    I didn’t know him personally, but many say that he was surprisingly friendly and welcoming, who could invite a stranger to the house. His son worked at the car factory as a military representative and who worked with him also spoke very warmly about him.
  8. carver
    carver 21 May 2013 09: 10 New
    Well, what can I say - Gods of war among the Russians are often found.
    1. reichsmarshal
      reichsmarshal 21 May 2013 23: 34 New
      The great thing is that not gods, but simple Russian guys, hard workers. As Pokryshkin said: "We are not the kings of the sky. We are draft horses!"
  9. omsbon
    omsbon 21 May 2013 09: 17 New
    Grind our pilots praised aces Gerenga. They started the war badly, but ended with a brilliant Victory.
    Kamozin is one of those who forged Victory in the air!
  10. DimYang
    DimYang 21 May 2013 09: 25 New
    On TNT (and others) it is necessary to make shows about such PEOPLE. And not every g .... about.
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 21 May 2013 11: 37 New
      Quote: dimyan
      On TNT (and others) it is necessary to make shows about such PEOPLE. And not every g .... about.

      I totally agree. And generally speaking. The right to get into the telly still needs to be earned. Truly, not through the butt or in front.
  11. Nayhas
    Nayhas 21 May 2013 09: 35 New
    The fight with the Earl frank agitation. German Count headed the command of the Jagdgeschwader 52 only on October 1, 1944. Before that he fought on the Western Front, and according to Soviet data, Kamozin shot him down in February 1944. They shot him down only once, or rather, he did a Mustang ram and was forced to jump with a parachute. The victory over German Count is also attributed to Vitaly Popkov, allegedly he shot him down near Stalingrad on August 26, 1942.
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 21 May 2013 23: 21 New
      I absolutely agree with you. At that time, Hermann Graf fought in the west with 9./JG 52 in his Fw-190A-5 Wnr.2594 (Ago Oschersleben plant, code "CL + QF").
    2. family tree
      family tree 22 May 2013 01: 18 New
      From July 41st to January 43rd and from October 1st 44th to May 8th 45th on the eastern front.
      On September 15, a shell hit his Bf-109 cockpit, on September 16 he returned by plane with 30 hits, on September 19, during one take-off, the wings of his Messerschmitt were first shot by fire from the ground, and then during another take-off on a plane, they were shot half rudder. In early January 1943, Hauptmann Graf was wounded in the arm and received leave after leaving the hospital.
      On August 26, he was near Stalingrad. With Popkov could and clash.
  12. AK-47
    AK-47 21 May 2013 09: 47 New
    In 1944, Kamozin was removed from the post of squadron commander of the 66th regiment and transferred to the post of deputy squadron commander in the 101st Guards IAP. Recalls the former pilot of this regiment, Boris Stepanovich Dementiev:
    “When we flew to the front at the end of 1944, the weather was lousy. Kamozin and his squadron sat in Bobruisk, and they sat there for a long time. The chief food officer did not feed them well. For this he beat him. .... he had a weakness - ... but he was a disciplined, competent man, who skillfully and bravely fought, who knew how to manage people. "
  13. newcomer
    newcomer 21 May 2013 09: 59 New
    well done Pavel Mikhailovich! honor and praise to him! in an air battle, anything can happen (different conditions, weather, visibility, etc.), but how could 6 "masses" be guarded by a transport worker and clicked with beaks! evident from the Hitler Youth they typed on the ad ...
  14. master_rem
    master_rem 21 May 2013 10: 06 New
    Quote: Myasnov
    We loved our aces. Aerocobra. Although our planes shot down the enemy is not bad.

    G. Rabkin wrote about the delicate Allison motors and very dangerous corkscrew characteristics. But the pilots praised the review, because of the mid-engine layout
    1. Simon
      Simon 21 May 2013 14: 22 New
      Yes, due to the location of the motor in the center of the aircraft, behind the pilot's back, it allowed the aerocobra to be a very maneuverable aircraft. One drawback was significant that the shaft from the engine to the propeller passed between the legs of the pilot.
      1. uzer 13
        uzer 13 21 May 2013 15: 29 New
        The propeller shaft passed between the legs of the pilot, which was the reason for a large number of similar jokes.
  15. USNik
    USNik 21 May 2013 11: 02 New
    Soon, the battle spread to bends, where domestic LaGGs had an advantage over the Me-109.

    Excuse me, maybe the ME-110? It seems that Pokryshkin wrote in his memoirs that the lagg-3 is inferior in turns even to the earlier modifications of the me-109 due to the excess weight of deltrewood and poor aerodynamics?
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 21 May 2013 11: 29 New
      Quote: USNik
      bad aerodynamics?

      On the contrary. The aerodynamics of the LAGG were very good. Just because of the great weight. very "licked" plane. (for example, an interview with fighter pilot N. Golodnikov. There is also in the internet and Drabkin and Mukhin in his "Asah and Propoganda"))
  16. pensioner
    pensioner 21 May 2013 11: 25 New
    Absolutely reliable story. In the 70s, Kamozin approached his bust, looked at him for a long time. Then he took out a bottle, sentenced her and went to bed side by side. And ALL passersby knew WHO was sleeping. Sheltered from rain and cold. And then he walked home. Not very talkative was ...
    1. Forest
      Forest 21 May 2013 11: 59 New
      Do not breach, Kamozin never lay drunk near the monument, sometimes he continued to have fun in the garage (I hope you know where he is), and there his apartment is nearby and always surrounded by simple hard workers.
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 21 May 2013 12: 12 New
        My friend told the story. Grew up in Bryansk. A very worthy and respected person. I can reduce. If I don’t believe him, I don’t know ... Well, then I am calling. not accustomed to breach. Dad said: "Son, remember! Nothing in life is cheap as the truth!" I don’t know about the garage - my friend didn’t tell. But I'll clarify tonight. If a friend doesn't confirm his story - well then I ... don't even know who.
        1. Forest
          Forest 21 May 2013 12: 27 New
          Spit in his face, I had a lot of acquaintances with him drinking and saying the same thing - that the person is very decent, welcoming and without arrogance, so he could not drink alone in principle.
          By the way, I "minus" you for lies.
          1. pensioner
            pensioner 21 May 2013 12: 32 New
            I didn’t lie. I will not give a damn. In the evening I will report the results. Memory like me has not failed yet (big). Well, he told me that. I'll give my last teeth !!
    2. omsbon
      omsbon 21 May 2013 14: 23 New
      Yuri, I have a question for you, why did A. Duma not tell the world how D, Artanyan went to the toilet? I think because, although this is true, it is not very interesting to readers.
      There is no need to be like the silk-workers of the "yellow" press and pour slop on an honored person, this is not good.
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 21 May 2013 16: 03 New
        Well, I didn’t think that it could somehow cast a shadow on Kamozin. Not about the toilet after all. And how war veterans could play tricks, I remember well. For my father (the chief engineer of the mine), May 9 is a continuous headache. After all, they were not 50 at that time. I apologize to the community if something goes wrong. And I will not clean up the story. Let it be a model of how not to ...
        1. valokordin
          valokordin 21 May 2013 16: 40 New
          Quote: retired
          Let it be a model of how not to ...

          No need to reproach yourself, maybe it was under the bust a couple of times, but among the people there may be an addition. And my fiery greetings to the Forest do not offend the hero. And this is true.
          1. Forest
            Forest 22 May 2013 11: 41 New
            He drank both under the monument and next to the bench and clinked glasses with the monument (with irony), BUT NEVER he was lying drunk, everyone knew him and the monument is in the park at 30m. from his apartment so it's all FALSE !!!!
            If he said this about lying Kamozin, we would have been treated for a long time.
            Hello brother to you too !!!!
  17. Forest
    Forest 21 May 2013 12: 43 New
    I will accept teeth)
    For the Bezhitsky Camozin as for Argentina Maradona.
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 21 May 2013 12: 53 New
      Yes, I have no doubt.
  18. Fitter65
    Fitter65 21 May 2013 14: 32 New
    The article is unambiguously positive, although there are complaints about trifles, the main complaint is that which is brief.
  19. Black
    Black 21 May 2013 17: 06 New
    You know what has always been amazing ....
    German aces, as a rule, are hereditary officers, for the most part, nobles (and this, you see, the opportunity to fly a lot, train) ...
    And ours are former workers, peasants !!!!!! And beat backgrounds for God forbid !!!!!
    1. reichsmarshal
      reichsmarshal 21 May 2013 23: 37 New
      Not always. Aces from the "background" category were few in number, and in general they were even more worthy than the Germans of simple origin (who are almost without exception - ideological Nazis). And Joachim von Marseil is hard not to admire.
      1. Day 11
        Day 11 21 May 2013 23: 43 New
        And we don’t forget Adolf Galland. Indeed, a pilot from God! Almost none of them was a burnt Nazi, except for one scum named Rudel
  20. bubla5
    bubla5 21 May 2013 18: 19 New
    Here it is patriotic education, more of such articles, cognitively for yourself
  21. georg737577
    georg737577 21 May 2013 20: 40 New
    It’s just sad - on the account of the “shot down” Herman Graf (who died in his bed already in '88) there are officially 212 shot down enemy aircraft - more than Kozhedub, Pokryshkin and Kamozin combined ...
    1. wax
      wax 21 May 2013 21: 38 New
      Even more sadly, all these aces-graphs did not try to fly out against Kozhedub, Pokryshkin and Kamozin.
      1. Day 11
        Day 11 21 May 2013 23: 29 New
        Do you, an adult (an adult?) Believe in this bullshit ??? This is the same balcony agitprop!
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            1. REZMovec
              REZMovec 22 May 2013 01: 20 New
              Yes, you, my friend - Ham liberal !!!
    2. Revolver
      Revolver 21 May 2013 22: 42 New
      The Luftwaffe wrote to the personal account of all "supposedly" shot down, even those who reached their airfield and continued to fight after repairs. If they were "supposedly" shot down by a group, they wrote to everyone. And in the Air Force - only personally shot down and only confirmed. Hence the difference.
      1. family tree
        family tree 22 May 2013 01: 41 New
        The Luftwaffe recorded "victories", that is, hitting the plane, shot with a photo machine gun, or confirmed by the wingman or the leader. The twin-engine aircraft was counted for two "victories", the four-engine for four. One of the reasons for the devastating accounts. The second is in the tactics of using fighters, if the main thing for backlashes is to fill a personal account, then ours, not to let down the escorted bombers and attack aircraft. They went free hunting only at the end of the war.
        1. Day 11
          Day 11 22 May 2013 09: 50 New
          You’ve got it a bit wrong: Backlash had a scoring system, i.e. 1motor - 1 point, 2-2, 4-3. And points are rewards (crosses, leaves, swords, bruliks). Points are not the number of aircraft shot down. I agree with the second paragraph
          1. family tree
            family tree 22 May 2013 13: 05 New
            Quote: Den 11
            : Backlash had a scoring system

            Points and "wins" are the same thing. Features of the translation, though, that we will kick the owl, that the owl about the tree stump.
      2. Day 11
        Day 11 22 May 2013 09: 54 New
        Yours! The Luftwaffe air victory counting system involved one downed aircraft, precisely identified by a photographic machine gun or one or two other witnesses.
        In this case, the aircraft was recorded on a personal account only if it was recorded destroyed in the air, engulfed in flames abandoned by its pilot in the air or recorded its fall to the ground and destruction.
        To register a victory, the Luftwaffe pilot filled out an application consisting of 21 points.
        It stated:
        1. Time (date, hour, minute) and the place the plane crashed.
        2. Names of crew members applying.
        3. Type of aircraft destroyed.
        4. Nationality of the adversary.
        5. The essence of the damage:
        a) flame and black smoke;
        b) whether the enemy plane fell apart (call them) or exploded;
        c) whether he made an emergency landing (indicate in which place of the front and whether it was a normal or emergency landing);
        e) if it landed behind the front line, did it catch fire on the ground.
        6. The nature of the fall (only if it could be observed):
        a) in which place of the front;
        b) whether it was vertical or it broke out;
        c) if not observed, for what reason.
        7. The fate of the enemy crew (killed, parachuted, etc.).
        8. A personal pilot report must be attached.
        9. Witnesses:
        a) in the air;
        b) on the ground.
        10. The number of attacks an enemy plane was subjected to.
        11. The direction from which each attack was carried out.
        12. The distance from which effective fire was fired.
        13. Tactical attack position.
        14. Were the enemy arrows disabled.
        15. Type of weapons used.
        16. Ammunition Consumption.
        17. The type and number of machine guns used to destroy an enemy aircraft.
        18. Type of own plane.
        19. Anything else that has tactical and technical value.
        20. Damage to your own car as a result of enemy actions.
        21. Other units involved in the battle (including anti-aircraft artillery).
        The squadron commander signed the questionnaire. The main points were 9 (witnesses) and 21 (other units).
        The application was accompanied by a personal report of the pilot, in which he first indicated the date and time of take-off, the threshold and the start of the battle, and then only announced victories and listed them from the time the attack began, including altitude and range.
        Then he indicated the essence of the destruction, the nature of the fall, his observation and the recorded time.
        A report on the battle, written by a witness or an eyewitness, was attached to the report on the downed aircraft. All this made it possible to double-check the pilot's messages about the victory. Commander of a group or squadron after receiving reports of other pilots, data from ground observation posts, decoding of film machine gun films, etc. He wrote on the form his conclusion, which, in turn, served as the basis for official confirmation or not confirmation of victory.
        As an official recognition of his victory, the Luftwaffe pilot received a special certificate, which indicated the date, time and place of the battle, as well as the type of aircraft he shot down.
        1. family tree
          family tree 22 May 2013 12: 48 New
          Quote: Den 11
          Yours! The Luftwaffe air victory counting system involved one downed aircraft, precisely identified by a photographic machine gun or one or two other witnesses.

          North Africa
          In August 1942, in North Africa, a flight of Lieutenant Vogel, commander of the fourth group of the 27th fighter squadron, shot down 65 enemy aircraft in a month. Departing on a mission, the German pilots entertained themselves in the following way: shooting ammunition in the sand, they returned to the airfield and reported on the "victories" won. When they were finally revealed, they just disbanded the link, leaving all victories intact.

          So tell them about the application from the 21st paragraph.
          And more
  22. Eleventh
    Eleventh 22 May 2013 00: 39 New
    Glory to the heroes of their homeland.