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Anti-aircraft gunners of the Southern Military District are developing new Tor-MU air defense systems

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Anti-aircraft gunners of the Southern Military District are developing new Tor-MU air defense systems

The combat crews of the air defense units of the Southern Military District will carry out live firing of the modern Tor-MU anti-aircraft missile system at the Kapustin Yar range in the Astrakhan region.


For the development of new weapons, anti-aircraft gunners during 3,5 months underwent special training in the Air Defense Training Center in the Krasnodar Territory, where they studied its tactical and technical characteristics, the basics of operation and combat use.

The Tor-MU anti-aircraft missile system is intended for hitting airplanes, helicopters, unmanned aerial vehicles, guided missiles and other high-precision elements. weaponsflying at medium, low and extremely low altitudes in any meteorological conditions.

This air defense system allows detecting and tracking up to several dozen air targets at a distance of up to 30 km, and is capable of hitting targets 4 simultaneously at altitudes up to 10 km.

Electronic equipment "Tor-MU" allows you to select targets according to the level of danger, "prompting" the order of their shelling to the crew.
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  1. Canep
    Canep 18 May 2013 10: 23 New
    37
    In Russia there is such a variety of air defense systems that I sometimes get confused. Here we are definitely ahead of the rest. For every taste there is from the Shell for ultra-short range to the S-500 for satellites.
    1. OTAKE
      OTAKE 18 May 2013 10: 34 New
      +1
      Quote: Canep
      In Russia there is such a variety of air defense systems that I sometimes get confused. Here we are definitely ahead of the rest. For every taste there is from the Shell for ultra-short range to the S-500 for satellites.

      S-500 not yet
      1. Canep
        Canep 18 May 2013 10: 52 New
        +6
        I think it will be soon
        As of August 2011, a preliminary design phase has been completed, and technical design is ongoing. The start of operation and combat duty of the S-500 is scheduled for 2017. The first set of the latest generation S-500 anti-aircraft missile system can enter the Russian troops as early as 2013. [10] [11] [12]
        1. kalina
          kalina 18 May 2013 11: 34 New
          -29
          We have only heard about the s-500 at the factories, and the speed of replacing the s-300 with the s-400 allows this to be done only after 200 years, although there are still no new missiles for the s-400 (factory brewer info-box)
          1. BDRM 667
            BDRM 667 18 May 2013 11: 45 New
            +8
            Quote: kalina
            (info-brewery at the factory)

            But in general, the news is encouraging.
            laughing laughing laughing laughing
          2. BARKAS
            BARKAS 18 May 2013 12: 08 New
            +9
            Quote: kalina
            and the speed of replacing s-300 with s-400 allows this to be done only after 200 years

            What else is the replacement where such nonsense was heard in your favorite pub?
            1. kalina
              kalina 18 May 2013 12: 30 New
              -1
              I made a mistake, yes, I didn’t put an emoticon after the “brewery”, I was punished right away ... As for the “delirium” - in vain, look not only at “urapatriotic” sites
              1. skeptic-
                skeptic- 18 May 2013 13: 57 New
                14
                Quote: kalina
                I made a mistake, yes, I didn’t put an emoticon after the “brewery”, I was punished right away ... As for the “delirium” - in vain, look not only at “urapatriotic” sites


                For reference: S-300, S-400, S-500 are made at different factories in Russia, so do not rush to announce that the S-500 is not made.
                I warn you in advance that I do not intend to report data. The less you know the better you sleep.
                1. kalina
                  kalina 18 May 2013 14: 18 New
                  -8
                  Yes, I’ll only be glad if I’m wrong, but look at WIKI how many s-300s were made in the USSR and how many s-400s in the Russian Federation
                  1. Babon
                    Babon 18 May 2013 15: 05 New
                    +7
                    The people that you attacked kalina like that, really, there are serious problems with missiles for the s-400. The S-400 complex was created, but the main thing is the rocket, but there are difficulties with missiles.
                    1. aksakal
                      aksakal 18 May 2013 15: 15 New
                      +5
                      Quote: Babon
                      but there are difficulties with missiles.

                      - this circumstance saddens ... sad Well, it’s not been sticking with Bulava for two years, but it flew all the same
                      1. Babon
                        Babon 18 May 2013 15: 19 New
                        +5
                        I also believe that the S-400 will be excellent air defense, but so far it is necessary to wait, it is necessary to finalize.
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                    2. VAF
                      VAF 18 May 2013 16: 05 New
                      +5
                      Quote: aksakal
                      Well, it’s not been sticking with Bulava for two years, but it flew all the same


                      Dear Aksakal, in fact, the Bulava has been under development (although what is there to develop? The Bark project was 75% completed) since 1998 !!! wink wink

                      Therefore, there was nothing and a priori could not "stick" when .. "the cake began to sharpen the boots" wassat but seriously, they broke up Makeev’s design bureau and “gave” everything to MIT, which had to do with sea-based missiles, like .... a horse to ballet! wassat

                      Well, about the fact that ... it successfully flew ... although after successful multiple launch rockets the missile is usually taken into service, but .... we will wait ... a bit!

                      And so .. there will be time, I’ll write a full article, without embellishment, about the “Mace” and the history of its creation, though ..... the “Uriapatriots” will have to shoot themselves! soldier
                    3. Anti
                      Anti 18 May 2013 16: 31 New
                      -15
                      as promised lovi- soldier
                    4. VAF
                      VAF 18 May 2013 16: 52 New
                      10
                      Quote: Anti
                      as promised lovi-


                      Me on yours ..promised и catch ..with a high bell tower .... us .... t wassat

                      I AM ..ALL-weather и Unsinkable soldier

                    5. Yarbay
                      Yarbay 18 May 2013 16: 58 New
                      +1
                      Quote: vaf

                      I promised to you .. and catch- from a high bell tower .... us .... t

                      Dear Sergey!
                      You have not been seen for a long time, I am very glad to see you and in good health !!!
                    6. VAF
                      VAF 18 May 2013 17: 08 New
                      +5
                      Quote: Yarbay
                      Have not seen you for a long time, very glad to see you


                      Mutually, dear AlikBek, mutually! drinks

                      Even the "news" (which for some reason is hiding from the public) that the Russian Federation "swept" your country with the purchase of the Mig-31, Su-27 and Mig-29, although you have something to pay without any "loans"!
                      Well, it is understandable, "whose rule in the KLA" .... bully

                      Can not overshadow our friendship !!! drinks
                    7. Yarbay
                      Yarbay 18 May 2013 17: 19 New
                      0
                      Quote: vaf
                      Even the "news" (which for some reason is hiding from the public) that the Russian Federation "swept" your country with the purchase of the Mig-31, Su-27 and Mig-29, although you have something to pay without any "loans"!

                      To be honest, I have not heard anything about at least negotiations with Russia on this topic over the past two years, there has not been a single article!
                      For me it was a surprise that there were some negotiations going on!
                      Now, having heard this news from you, it has become more convincing for me, since the media did not contain any references to officials or any comments !!
                      Now I have more faith in the fact that on our side they refused to buy any other equipment (tanks, artillery, etc.))) can be seen from this !!
                      Well, a lot of questions I have!
                    8. VAF
                      VAF 18 May 2013 17: 37 New
                      +5
                      Quote: Yarbay
                      Now I have more faith in the fact that on our side they refused to buy any other equipment (tanks, artillery, etc.))) can be seen from this !!


                      When I heard it myself ... I did not believe it ... honestly, and then when ..... hmm ... there are not only questions, here ...!

                      After all, they don’t cover the fact that everything is being delivered from KnA'za Su-30MK2 to Uganda and Indonesia (the Volga-Dnepr is flying with might and main), and we are all waiting ... when does the Su-35S .. appear recourse
                      The only mechanic announced that they are doing everything under the MKI, but about SM ... silence, but ..... our politicians have such politeness!
                      After all, what? Loudly STATE and PROMISE and .... right there the "ouriapatriots" pick up and rush .... rya we get up off our knees, we will tear them, but they have all "succumbed .... fallen" and run to us, etc. .

                      You read and think, but you can’t be like that ... like M. Zadornov!

                      What nafig S-300 in Syria ??? In the best case, they will (if they are not “arrested” like helicopters again in the region of Finland) in the November-December month, and they will be stationed on the database by the summer of 2014 (if the personnel have time to retrain)!

                      But everything is already ... everything was beaten up ... here by the way today the plane of the Jordanian Air Force TCB fell near the Syrian border .. now it’s starting again .. our armor and ..fighting with them ... failed wassat

                      Just do not write why, the day before yesterday, the Hindus rolled out such a complaint on Osa-M .. until the contract was broken, because. ONE, slow-moving, non-maneuvering target, in the afternoon, in PMU, without interference ... 6 missiles were spent (!!!!!!)!

                      And you say ... questions ... these are not questions ... these are QUESTIONS !!!! But just to whom ????
                    9. Yarbay
                      Yarbay 18 May 2013 17: 54 New
                      +3
                      Quote: vaf
                      When I heard it myself ... I didn’t believe it ... honestly

                      I didn’t think about it at all because I didn’t believe that Russia would agree to conduct negotiations on the sale of aircraft at all, because I knew that orders were already overloaded and, most importantly, this would completely change the balance of power in the entire region !!
                      Quote: vaf
                      Loudly APPLY and PROMISE

                      In principle, I think with the right communist organization, things could be done!
                      In general, yesterday I wrote about this, that I do not believe that there are no smart * goals * in Russia to create a decent UAV in the shortest possible time, but alas, there is no leader in this business, an organizer!
                    10. slvevg
                      slvevg 19 May 2013 19: 01 New
                      +1
                      fuck, if it's true !!! belay
          3. Yarbay
            Yarbay 18 May 2013 16: 56 New
            +2
            Quote: Anti
            as promised lovi-

            all the same masochist you Winnie)))))))))))
            but I won’t put a minus))
            I am worried about your mental state)))
          4. Anti
            Anti 18 May 2013 17: 02 New
            -16
            Quote: Yarbay
            but I won’t put a minus))


            But I won’t refuse.

            second for the masochist -
          5. Ruslan67
            Ruslan67 19 May 2013 02: 30 New
            +4
            Quote: Anti
            second for the masochist -

            Third for Alibek bully For a long time did not drag skulls on a neck? Contact good
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        2. VAF
          VAF 18 May 2013 17: 12 New
          +4
          Quote: Yarbay
          I am worried about your mental state


          This is a patient Kashchenko, 100%, but ... there are many of them, or rather, to put it more correctly, more than, I would like to .... but such is life!

          And besides the "psyche", in my opinion and with the "technique" (specifically with the head) the same thing ... not everything is normal .... required .. "mechanical assistance, without it ... well, nothing! wassat

        3. Anti
          Anti 18 May 2013 17: 22 New
          0
          There you are, Waf .. how many times did I insult me ​​today?
          1.My on your .. promised and catch- .. from a high bell tower .... us .... t

          2.This is a patient Kashchenko, 100%

          3. And besides the "psyche", in my opinion, and with the "technique" (specifically with the head)

          I only fulfilled my promise on May 9, and so what? So it was necessary to react? To faint for minus to fall? wassat
        4. Yarbay
          Yarbay 18 May 2013 17: 28 New
          +2
          Quote: Anti
          There you are, Waf .. how many times did I insult me ​​today?

          Come on, Winnie is offended!
          Dear Sergey, he wrote all this loving !!)))
          Yes, you dawn this ax of war !!))))
          sit, listen, drink from a faceted glass, sing a song!
          life is Beautiful!!!)))
        5. Anti
          Anti 18 May 2013 17: 34 New
          +1
          yes there is no war everything is normal, I'm honestly glad that there is this site that there are you, my "enemies" But you can’t drink today at the factory tomorrow laughing
        6. Apollo
          Apollo 18 May 2013 17: 38 New
          +3
          Quote: Anti
          to factory


          ball-bearing, right, all the same, my memory didn’t let me down ?! laughing
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        8. Ruslan67
          Ruslan67 19 May 2013 02: 35 New
          +3
          Quote: Apollon
          ball-bearing, right, all the same, my memory didn’t let me down ?!

          Your mother failed! Fence construction wassat
      2. Yarbay
        Yarbay 18 May 2013 17: 58 New
        +2
        Quote: Anti
        you, my "enemies"

        Yes, you are not my enemy!
        You made a big mistake, I forgave you!
        But your actions for me to put it mildly unacceptable as a person!
        in principle, you live with them!
      3. Anti
        Anti 18 May 2013 18: 03 New
        -3
        Quote: Yarbay
        Quote: Anti
        you, my "enemies"


        You made a big mistake, I forgave you!


        but now you are the first on my black list, all the same you got your way am
    2. fortunophile
      fortunophile 19 May 2013 14: 03 New
      0
      Quote: Anti
      yes there is no war everything is normal, I'm honestly glad that there is this site that there are you, my "enemies" But you can’t drink today at the factory tomorrow

      It’s ridiculous to read ... Here is megalomania, the bug is loudly glad that he has enemies from real people winked The clinic, however. Then what a war, I don’t know how others, but I don’t declare war on insects, I just crush everything request
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    4. Anti
      Anti 19 May 2013 18: 51 New
      -1
      Quote: fortuneophile
      but I don’t declare war on insects, I just crush everything


      do not break the crush with ... Zavskladovskaya
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    6. Anti
      Anti 19 May 2013 19: 19 New
      -2
      Quote: fortuneophile
      not get dirty in the process of pressure


      are you afraid to get dirty?
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    8. Anti
      Anti 19 May 2013 19: 34 New
      -2
      Quote: fortuneophile
      "Do not touch ... it does not smell." Am I available answered?


      you’re right the zavsklad, I won’t “touch” you or you.
      admin can immediately dunk ban, eternal, on the drum.
      Yes, by the way, the Turks are normal people here. not that you ....
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    10. Anti
      Anti 19 May 2013 19: 54 New
      -3
      Quote: fortuneophile
      Turks and your love for them have long been known, so the details of your personal life on this site are unlikely to be of interest to anyone


      Listen boy, my life is landing gear and flaps.
      and goes, slowly, to the last turn ... and people like you are a trifle, you and your girlfriend Ramanova Shura are better than a shawl that protects you so eagerly and showers me with warnings. Go away ...
    11. Apollo
      Apollo 19 May 2013 20: 09 New
      +1


      Quote: fortuneophile
      Damn, I think why did he pester me

      Quote: Anti
      Listen boy


      I appeal to both visitors and recall the topic of the thread is not personal relationships but completely different.
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    13. VAF
      VAF 19 May 2013 20: 40 New
      +1
      Quote: Apollon
      the topic of the thread is not personal relationships, but a completely different one.


      Dear Apollo, can I play hockey? wink

      Although Fortunofil is right ABSOLUTELY!

      The match for 3rd place has just ended, Amer won on the bullets!

      In the evening, the Swiss “tear” the Swedes and in general ..... “sailed”!

      Well, the fact that Amer won there is no question at all, but here are the Swiss ?????

      I’m silent about ours generally ..... crying
  2. Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 19 May 2013 02: 33 New
    +4
    Quote: Yarbay
    drink from a faceted glass, sing a song!

    Well, of course, he will drink from a crystal glass and sing a happy hell. wassat
  3. mazdie
    mazdie 20 May 2013 00: 48 New
    0
    I apologize for the interference, but it really became interesting to me. And what is the problem with our air defense systems? What does not suit the same c300?
  4. Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 19 May 2013 02: 21 New
    +3
    Quote: Anti
    as promised lovi-

    Can't you calm down the disease? crying catch ischo wassat
  5. PLO
    PLO 18 May 2013 17: 03 New
    +3
    Sergey, hello.

    by chance you don’t know where the last Su-34 went and in general where the rest of the planes of this year will go? as I understand it in Baltimore, the 3rd Su-34 squadron will not be formed, but the upgraded Su-24s will leave
  6. VAF
    VAF 18 May 2013 17: 24 New
    +4
    Quote: olp
    by chance you don’t know where the extreme Su-34 went


    Hi Oleg! In the course, of course (now Tartary will “come running” and again start throwing “tomatoes”. That I again photographed everything and “divulged” the state secret)! bully

    The 21st car, under a contract with the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, the Su-34 aircraft, with on-board No. 34, left, as planned in the GLITS, and the next one would go there ... since ... well, in general it’s necessary!



    These are two cars not completed by NAZ according to the plan of 2012.

    For the rest (the next 10-12), the infa is "grilled" so far, one thing I can say is that the Su-24M will go to Guards and Chernyakhovsk.
    The plans for the rearmament of the former Jidintsy are only in 2013-1015.
    In Voronezh, on the Su-24M (bombers) now fly extremely rarely, mainly the Su-24MR!
  7. PLO
    PLO 18 May 2013 17: 45 New
    +3
    Well, if you need to GLITs, then I'm only glad)

    and about the rest .. then we'll wait a bit hi

    generally thanks for the answer
  8. VAF
    VAF 18 May 2013 20: 40 New
    +1
    Quote: vaf
    75% was a finished project "Bark") since 1998 !!!


    Is it that on the site as many as 6 people do not know where the Bulava project was "born" ???? belay (two: 3-volt and Anti do not take into account) ....

    So what are you gentlemen then doing on a military site ??? request

    Do you work out Uryazakazy? wassat

  9. saturn.mmm
    saturn.mmm 18 May 2013 21: 23 New
    +3
    Quote: vaf
    Do you work out Uryazakazy?

    Hello Sergey.
    I really thought you took Yesaul's article too seriously. A few days went to the site but not a single comment.
    But I see everything is normal, then it was wrong.
    At that time, such a rocket as the Bark could not be launched for political reasons; it could seriously threaten the Americans. And so, there is no rocket, and there is reason to cut the Sharks.
    Quote: vaf
    they broke up Makeev’s design bureau and “gave” everything to MIT

    Maybe that's why they dispersed that this design bureau could create a "Bark".
  10. VAF
    VAF 18 May 2013 22: 00 New
    +3
    Quote: saturn.mmm
    I thought you took Yesaul's article too seriously.


    Good evening, Michael! drinks
    Well, to say that he didn’t take it. It was a "twitch" of his soul .... 2 this political prostitute got "strong ... and he’s not so much like his" pack ".
    Oh well, whoever remembers the old, that eye is gone, while whoever forgot the old, that ... both down !!!
    That is why in a political article about the Communists, he is not heard and is not visible .. He knows that if he "crawls out", he will rake ... in full ...
    After all, this is an “ideological communist” who graduated by vocational vocational school from the Far Eastern Higher School of Economics named after Epishev, studied specifically on the ideas of Marxism-Leninism and preached the ideas of communism, and here again ... and he changed his shoes ..... especially his sneak-I have known him for a long time He is so white and fluffy and so on.
    I immediately said and I tell everyone who did not hear and did not read, it is a POLITICAL PROSTITUTE !!!

    Well, on “Bark” you write everything correctly, only people don’t want to know that .. if only everything would be ... “fucked up”! wassat
  11. saturn.mmm
    saturn.mmm 18 May 2013 23: 26 New
    +2
    Quote: vaf
    Well, to say that he didn’t take it. It was a "twitch" of his soul .... 2 this political prostitute got "strong ... and he’s not so much like his" pack ".

    Honestly my article caused a smile, the essence of the article:
    -On the site there is one bad uncle, he speaks poorly about our rearmament and let's say friendly to him fu .....
    Well, for a long time the man worked in propaganda, what can you do.
    Daughter adjusted the picture to cheer up.
  12. Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 19 May 2013 02: 27 New
    +4
    Quote: vaf
    is a POLITICAL PROSTITUTE !!!

    Sergei! prostitutes like sturgeon do not have a second freshness
    Quote: vaf
    ... especially his sneaks -

    And what seasonings do not fertilize it, the essence will not change request wassat
  13. Yarbay
    Yarbay 19 May 2013 13: 05 New
    +2
    Quote: Ruslan67
    Sergei! prostitutes like sturgeon do not have a second freshness

    Ruslan, these words are a masterpiece)))))
    Now I have something to say to one sturgeon)))))))))
  14. Botanologist
    Botanologist 19 May 2013 15: 18 New
    +1
    Quote: Ruslan67
    prostitutes like sturgeon do not have a second freshness


    Alas, there are. As our sergeant said, "asphalt is visible through the mouth."
  • Army1
    Army1 18 May 2013 17: 04 New
    +1
    http://ria.ru/arms_news/20120628/687250921.html
    Maybe it’s coming.
  • Don
    Don 21 May 2013 14: 11 New
    0
    Quote: kalina
    and the speed of replacing s-300 with s-400 allows this to be done only after 200 years,

    Firstly, no one is going to replace the S-300, and secondly, do not compose about 200 years.
    Quote: kalina
    although there are still no new missiles for the s-400

    40N6E in trials.
  • Nick
    Nick 18 May 2013 21: 56 New
    0
    Quote: OTAKE
    S-500 not yet

    There is in development, it will be in hardware ...
  • Suhov
    Suhov 18 May 2013 11: 55 New
    0
    Quote: Canep
    In Russia, this diversity SAM, which I sometimes get confused. Here we are definitely ahead of the rest.

    Merit of Nikita Sergeevich (rockets instead of guns).
    There is no silver lining!
  • Airman
    Airman 18 May 2013 11: 57 New
    +5
    Quote: Canep
    In Russia there is such a variety of air defense systems that I sometimes get confused. Here we are definitely ahead of the rest. For every taste there is from the Shell for ultra-short range to the S-500 for satellites.

    In the USSR there were more air defense systems both by name and quantity. There used to be a country air defense system, and now it is an air defense system. It’s good that at least something appears and they shoot at the firing range.
  • Suhov
    Suhov 18 May 2013 12: 08 New
    +3
    Quote: Canep
    from Shell for ultra-short range to S-500 for satellites.

    That's for sure:
    In the new year highest goals decided to reach the air defense forces!
  • Army1
    Army1 18 May 2013 13: 48 New
    +4
    Still, all medium- and short-range missiles with high-precision non-nuclear separable warheads should be returned (secretly) with technologies like the Iskander to keep all NATO bases on the target.
  • VAF
    VAF 18 May 2013 15: 03 New
    +4
    Quote: Canep
    In Russia, such a variety


    Namesake, welcome! Especially for you!!!!! And then there will be no time, and that's not the point!

    It’s just that you got into such a “srach” by Profesor about ... "future failures of landing of the Amerovsky UAV," that .... I'm sorry for the comparison, but you become similar to a 3-volt one ... although you "catch up" with it ... yeah ... yesterday's one "bomb with a motor" which is worth ..... but there are still 6 of the same "plusers" like him .... where are we "rolling" on the site ???

    Admins, I apologize that not a lot of things, although ..... maybe just on the topic, our air defense airbags, and UAVs .... "probable enemy" !!!

    So: on May 17, the prototype of the deck strike UAV X-47B for the first time successfully completed landings with a run on the deck, with the hook not released.
    The next stage is the hook!













    "URYapatriotov" please do not bother .... not a "photo-toad", but a real "PHOTO FACT"!
    1. bask
      bask 18 May 2013 15: 18 New
      +2
      Greetings Vaf hi For a long time did not appear on the site.
      The question is, what kind of SAM, can we intercept missiles from the United States in hypersound.
      "" The US has successfully tested the X-51A Waverider hypersonic missile. This was announced on May 3 by the official website of the country's air force. Tests in the Pacific were conducted on May 1. The missile was launched from the board of the B-52 aircraft at an altitude of 15200 meters and then with the help of an accelerator it rose to a height of 18200 meters. During the flight, which lasted for six minutes, the X-51A Waverider developed a speed of 5,1 Mach numbers (6100 km / h). Flying a distance of 426 kilometers, the rocket "" [media = http: //vpk.name/news/89205_ssha_uspeshno_ispyitali_giperzvuko
      vuyu_raketu.html]
      1. VAF
        VAF 18 May 2013 15: 41 New
        +2
        Quote: bask
        Welcome


        Greetings to Bask! drinks

        Quote: bask
        For a long time did not appear on the site.


        I was busy, and even without me ... there are so many “commentators” like that ... one 3-volt one is worth it ... I’m really waiting for the “great master of the woodworking industry” with statements, and .. " nose "with a" wooden economic education "... well oh well ... appear!

        Quote: bask
        and which SAMs, we can intercept missiles from the United States in hypersound.


        Here the question is not a lot "by salary", and there are a lot of specialists of air defense specialists ... they’ll explain more specifically, but at the moment ..... none!

        All this "ryaprospect" under themselves do not currently have anything under them, only promises!

        It's like with Syria ..... there is nothing, but there is already and all of a sudden ... "flickered"!
        1. bask
          bask 18 May 2013 16: 33 New
          0
          Quote: vaf
          masters of the wood industry with sayings

          squad and his team.
          Quote: vaf
          nomic education "... oh well ... appear!

          And immediately stinks. fool
          Thanks for the reply. good
          1. VAF
            VAF 18 May 2013 16: 44 New
            +2
            Quote: bask
            squad and his team.


            So already "one" showed up ... Anti ..... "hold, says," but what to hold, whom to hold ..... maybe brains that flow from a holey head, so they were not a priori .. . one sawdust!

            Laughter, and more! lol

            And not afraid, after all ... under the "tank get" wassat

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            3. Anti
              Anti 18 May 2013 16: 55 New
              -9
              WHAT DOES THE TANKS ALSO HAVE IN EQUESTRIAN AVIATION? wassat PICTURE DOES NOT PASS winked
          2. krokodil25
            krokodil25 18 May 2013 22: 49 New
            0
            Quote: bask
            bask

            If you want to talk, bezbozar, right now, I’ll throw you the address off the clave as I’m not used to it.
            1. bask
              bask 19 May 2013 03: 19 New
              0
              Quote: krokodil25
              want to bezbozara come on right now I’ll throw off your address on the clave

              I’ll answer for my bazaar.
              throw a crocodile in a personal, don’t .. draw on the site.
        2. Rider
          Rider 18 May 2013 22: 43 New
          0
          Quote: vaf
          at the present moment ..... none!



          maybe I'm wrong, but maybe - A-135 Cupid will do?

          Weight - 9693 kg
          Fuel weight - 7625 kg
          Weight of MS - 500-700 kg (estimated)
          Warhead mass - 150 kg (estimated)

          Range:
          - 80-100 km
          - 20.8 km (range launches 53T6)
          Damage height:
          - 5000-30000 m
          - 14000 m (range launches 53T6)
          Speed:
          - 10-14 M (according to one data)
          - 5200-5500 m / s (according to other data)
          - 4000 m / s (according to other data)
          - up to 3600 m / s (source - Russian Shield)
          Rate of climb - 30000 m height per 5-6 s
          Acceleration to maximum speed - 3-4 s (according to various sources)
          The exit time from the mine from the moment of launch is 0.2-0.4 s
          Maximum overloads:
          - 210G longitudinal
          - 90 G transverse
          Missile deflection angle after launch - up to 70 degrees
    2. Professor
      Professor 18 May 2013 15: 43 New
      +4
      I apologize for interfering, but about landing is not reported anywhere. They talk about “approach” and “touch the deck” and “full run”. I suspect that we will soon see the landing. hi
      ATLANTIC OCEAN - MAY 17: In this image provided by the US Navy, an X-47B unmanned combat air system (UCAS) demonstrator performs a touch and go landing May 17, 2013 on the flight deck of the aircraft carrier USS George HW Bush ( CVN 77) in the Atlantic Ocean. This is the first time any unmanned aircraft has completed a touch and go landing at sea. George HW Bush is conducting training operations in the Atlantic Ocean. (Photo by Mass Communication Specialist 2nd Class Timothy Walter / US Navy via Getty Images)
      1. VAF
        VAF 18 May 2013 15: 53 New
        +3
        Quote: Professor
        I apologize for interfering


        Greetings Professor! The remark is accepted, of course, the term landing without a hook, you need to replace the touch, without a hook, a run along the deck and a second take-off, but .......!
        After all, both you and I perfectly understand that this is practically a LANDING ... without any "stretch"!

        Especially in the photo and film, everything is perfectly visible!

        I just remembered the “srach” that SMaper arranged, so I decided .. to post the news!

        And the fact that the landing is complete, with taxiing and turning off the engines the other day, I have no doubt!
        1. Professor
          Professor 18 May 2013 15: 58 New
          +2
          Good day to you too. It is always pleasant to communicate with a specialist (although I do not always agree). You are absolutely right, yesterday a full landing was just a matter of deciding to complete it. technically, the UAV has already boarded the Bush. I am glad for the American engineers and not because they are American, but for the historical event we have witnessed.
          1. VAF
            VAF 18 May 2013 16: 24 New
            0
            Quote: Professor
            It is always pleasant to communicate with a specialist (although I do not always agree).


            Dear Professor, well, it would just be ... "out of place" or something (as to put it - "stupid" .. it’s not at all gates) if you and I agreed on everything!
            It would be just some kind of idyll .... but it’s only in a DISPUTE, namely in a DISPUTE (which is backed up by knowledge, experience of use and operation, the study of technical documentation, and not “pedivics”, etc.), and not RIGHTLY (including nat.i other aspects) truth is born!

            I argue with Pupyrchaty very often, but it gives me real pleasure, as well as communication and disputes with you!

            By the way, read the news, did the F-35 complete large angle tests?
            And the report is really impressive, because there was not a single breakdown in a corkscrew, at any angle (and with pendants, and without and with open shutters r \ o)!
            Although I myself do not really treat the Penguin, but ... a fact is a fact!

            1. Professor
              Professor 18 May 2013 16: 55 New
              +3
              What surprises you? In the USSR, they always knew how to make a glider. If avionics had also been taught, then the prices would not have been for these aircraft.
            2. krokodil25
              krokodil25 18 May 2013 17: 04 New
              +5
              VAF

              Again they came to ruin the whole picture, do you understand the drone, but the 35th did it! am
              1. VAF
                VAF 18 May 2013 17: 54 New
                +3
                Quote: krokodil25
                Again they came to ruin the whole picture, do you understand the drone, but the 35th did it!


                Gennady, after yesterday’s "support" of the 3-volt bomb at the expense of the bomb .. motor .. very on you .. "angrily", honestly!

                It is clear that the No. x volt and ..pants with a propeller, like Carlson's, but ..you then ...... ???? In general, the question so far!

                About the 35th topic, everything is very beautiful. The professor replied ... a really BEAUTIFUL answer ... I won’t repeat it ... read carefully the comment above!

                And about the UAV .... I would be very surprised if he did not sit down? After all, we are not surprised, but we admire the fact that in our Buran we went in and sat down like a native and still .... as they say at the dawn of the Soviet regime, so why doesn’t he sit down with the Amers?

                Now we are waiting for the news, when the Chinese will start to do something similar and, surprisingly, it will start after all!

                And we have? And here, as in the movie "Only Old Men Go to Battle" - "..... hay eats a lot, damn horned .... where are you ... leave the hay!"
                1. krokodil25
                  krokodil25 18 May 2013 18: 12 New
                  +2
                  Quote: vaf
                  after your yesterday's "support" of the 3 volt bomb at the expense of the bomb .. motor .. very on you .. "urchil", honestly!

                  At the expense of which bomb, at least remind the article, but about the professor, if I understood correctly 141 it is not a fact that it is he.
                  1. VAF
                    VAF 18 May 2013 18: 40 New
                    +1
                    Quote: krokodil25
                    What bomb, at least recall the article,


                    Well, how about .... yesterday's article about the transfer of the Polygon and an article about the use of the Su-34, where the 3-volt ..... "moron" tells about a bomb with a motor, which .... by 5 meters, and then the broads explodes wassat
                    And you are among the 6 "pluses" there is the very first wink

                    How shoud I understand this? The officer gave the command ... "keep afloat" ??? wink
                    1. krokodil25
                      krokodil25 18 May 2013 19: 15 New
                      +3
                      Quote: vaf
                      How shoud I understand this? The officer gave the command ... "keep afloat"

                      Well so there they said that the bomb goes 5 meters away. I also liked how it exploded. What’s the matter? If it’s 3-volt, then what are the advantages? request
                    2. mogus
                      mogus 19 May 2013 09: 48 New
                      0
                      watched the "landfill." indeed, with a Su-34, a powder bomb was dropped. After the discharge, a parachute is released, the speed decreases and the angle to the ground is set. It drops the parachute, the powder engines are turned on for a few seconds, acceleration. It enters the ground at 5 meters. Explosion moderator up to 20 seconds. It breaks through five floors of a panel house.
                    3. VAF
                      VAF 19 May 2013 12: 14 New
                      0
                      Quote: mogus
                      watched the "training ground"


                      I answered you in a personal detail, briefly repeat here.

                      1. BETAB-500Sh (assault) with TU and gunpowder ACCELERATOR (!!!!)

                      2. With the release of TP, the speed does not decrease, but the translational motion is slowed down in order to give the air bomb a maximum angle of encounter with the obstacle.

                      3. Idle a free-falling bomb Betab-500U "enters" the soil at 3 meters or more, depending on the density, and you say that a bomb with a powder accelerator and a special nose pin enters the soil at 5 meters ???? ?
                      It is clear that according to the correspondent, the same as the 3-volt, but think with your own head?

                      4. Slowdown can be any, depending on the type of fuse from 0 to 72 hours!

                      5. Punches not 5 but nine floors, this time ... now count how many concrete slabs and what it punch, put everything together, measure the thickness and you will understand that breaking through 5 meters of soil is ...... well, very few.

                      5 meters is the diameter of the funnel from an air bomb explosion!

                      So ... if briefly! soldier
              2. Yarbay
                Yarbay 18 May 2013 18: 15 New
                +1
                Quote: vaf
                It is clear that at No. x volt and ..pants with a propeller

                Everything is much worse)))))))
                dear Gleb just exposed in another topic volta))))))
                The smoker turned out to be a bot))))))
    3. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 18 May 2013 17: 01 New
      +2
      And, in your opinion, the Americans do not overexpose the car? Yes, and an attempt to make F-35 an analogue of a destroyer, when it is a clean drummer, it seems to me not quite logical. Are Americans really ready to use it as an exterminator?
      1. VAF
        VAF 18 May 2013 18: 25 New
        +1
        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        And, in your opinion, the Americans do not overexpose the car?


        Dear Aron, I understand that your question is addressed to me? Then I’ll answer, but if not ... then anyway .. I’ll answer (here .. scam lol )
        but we will not further develop the topic, because all the same, the conversation in the article for the air defense complex!

        I think not, especially since a new machine is being created for new tasks!
        For an example photo ... here on what goes in the right bearing on the layout (half-full) I was better in 1982 (right after the Syrian "business trip"), well, and when it is put into serial production. Yes and with what problems, you already read on the site more than once.
        So what about overexposure .... not for me to judge. But in my opinion the Amerpians are doing everything according to plan ... the truth is in what way and with what problems ... that's another question.


        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        Yes, and an attempt to make F-35 an analogue of a destroyer, when it is a clean drummer, it seems to me not quite logical


        I agree with you in many respects, but this trend towards multifunctionality is bearing fruit, albeit as a drummer ... the same is another question, because it should be a complex aircraft, avionics, weapons, and what kind of drummer with two bombs and two in-in missiles.

        I’m tracking this plane, there are a lot of materials and photos with various pendants, including serious missile class missiles .... so let's see.

        The most important thing is that this does not affect the combat readiness of the Air Force of the Secondary Military School, because There is a modernization (and it must be said very successful) of the entire fleet of fighter and bomber aircraft) without reducing the number and quantity of combat readiness!


        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        Are Americans really ready to use it as an exterminator?


        Why not? Indeed, they have already gone from those limitations (strength), and it’s not difficult to hang all-in-range missiles on it, and there are great doubts about the conduct of highly maneuverable close air combat in modern conflicts!

        And the plane began to fly really .. well !!! good
        1. VAF
          VAF 18 May 2013 19: 00 New
          +3
          Quote: vaf
          For an example photo.


          Not a single photo was attached ... I will try again directly in the text, read and look at the photo! drinks









        2. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 18 May 2013 19: 03 New
          +6
          Thank you very much from the "gray" sergeant of the engineering troops. I allow myself to say that because of the comments that you and several other participants are writing, I am not leaving this forum. hi
          After all, it was Military Review, but it is turning into an appendix to the newspaper Bell. request
          1. alex86
            alex86 18 May 2013 20: 07 New
            +5
            Quote: Aaron Zawi
            turns into an appendix to the newspaper "Bell"

            not being a strong connoisseur, rather "Yesterday" and "Tomorrow" ...
            In general, it’s very sad when the site, conceived (correct, if I’m mistaken) as a platform for informing and discussing military topics, turned into a very large share in a platform for expressing extremist nonsense of various etiologies ...
        3. Rider
          Rider 18 May 2013 22: 59 New
          0
          Quote: vaf
          The most important thing is that this does not affect the combat readiness of the Air Force of the Secondary Military School, because There is a modernization without reducing the number and quantity of combat readiness!


          maybe you didn’t know:According to internal documents at the disposal of the Air Force Times, from April 9, 2013, the US Air Force will begin to withdraw advanced combat units to the reserve, due to cuts and the need to adapt to budget cuts.
          The order to remove from flight will affect 17 squadrons belonging to various Air Force units.


          taken:http://oko-planet.su/politik/politikarm/179112-voenno-vozdushnyh-sil-ssha-kakimi
          -my-ih-znaem-bolshe-ne-suschestvuet.html
          1. VAF
            VAF 18 May 2013 23: 24 New
            +1
            Quote: Rider
            maybe you didn’t know:


            No, dear, you are mistaken! Of course, I knew that topic on the site a month ago, we discussed in great detail!

            My opinion is, if it is very short, that this is "ordinary noodles on the ears" about "white and fluffy amers" and nothing more!
            1. Rider
              Rider 18 May 2013 23: 32 New
              0
              Quote: vaf
              My opinion is, if very short,


              somehow you vaguely happened.
              what does "white and fluffy" have to do with it?

              the question is whether they cut it or not.

              yusё rest - from the evil one.
              1. VAF
                VAF 18 May 2013 23: 57 New
                +1
                Quote: Rider
                somehow you vaguely happened.


                I think it's normal!

                Everything goes as it should (for them, of course):
                1. everything is tested.
                2. Everything is being upgraded.
                3. Everything is produced.
                4. pull Obama for one thing.
                5. Before the world community show. what they say are concerned and take measures to stabilize the Fed and reduce the deficit wassat

                Well, the people "hawala" and rejoice on the site, what are we ..... well and so on, but the fact that they have a printing press and EVERYTHING that we have, I emphasize EVERYTHING we sell for the same candy wrappers. .. why no one, well, except for adults, does not want to think .... because the main thing is ... to scream in time ... "we get up from our knees with a bang!"
                But the head "turn on" ... it turns out ... the problem!

                So see?
                1. Rider
                  Rider 19 May 2013 00: 12 New
                  +3
                  Quote: vaf
                  So see?


                  Chegozh here incomprehensible,
                  just recently infa about their aircraft carriers slipped (like also a joke, but not all and not immediately)
                  yes, probably they are lying.
                  Well, the fact that we are buying everything from them for dollars, so forgive me, from THEM, we don’t have much to buy (take a look at commodity circulation), and there are progress on the dollar. with the same China.
                  Well, and so, yes, everything is sad, everything is sawn down, it is shredded.
                  and we all die (last - 100%)
  • Army1
    Army1 18 May 2013 17: 08 New
    +2
    But we had Buran, I hope that the developments will be applied in the new PPTS.
  • djon3volta
    djon3volta 18 May 2013 17: 55 New
    -5
    Quote: vaf
    URYapatriotov "I ask you not to bother.

    Oh, the Omeri-gi patriot drew himself, watch how others praise the glands laughing
  • VAF
    VAF 18 May 2013 19: 19 New
    +6
    Quote: vaf
    not a "photo-toad", but a real "CINEMA-FACT"!


    1. Professor
      Professor 18 May 2013 19: 27 New
      +3
      vaf You are wrong. wink You can’t be so cruel, it’s a unicellular blow below the belt. Now the urapatriots smoke nervously on the sidelines and reread the tales of "how the Iranians landed an American drone." crying
      1. krokodil25
        krokodil25 18 May 2013 19: 42 New
        +4
        Quote: Professor
        re-read tales of "how the Iranians landed an American drone."

        The Iranians landed your aircraft, so look, your iskander will land soon. Don’t miss this show, although I think you won’t be able to miss angry
        1. Professor
          Professor 18 May 2013 19: 44 New
          +2
          Quote: krokodil25
          The Iranians landed your aircraft, so look, your iskander will land soon. Don’t miss this show, although I think you won’t be able to miss

          Another storyteller appeared. lol
          1. krokodil25
            krokodil25 18 May 2013 20: 10 New
            +1
            Quote: Professor
            Another storyteller appeared

            The storyteller is you, talking about the invincibility of the Merkava, pray that Iskanler does not appear in Syria otherwise you pi ... am
            1. Professor
              Professor 18 May 2013 21: 22 New
              +1
              I thought the article was about air defense, but it turns out about Merkava.
              Quote: krokodil25
              pray that Iskanler does not appear in Syria otherwise you pi ...

              Iskanлep wink of course a serious weapon, but it doesn’t solve anything, the mass of its warhead is less than half a ton. One F-16 carries a dozen of these. So scare me right away.
              1. krokodil25
                krokodil25 18 May 2013 22: 28 New
                +2
                Quote: Professor
                So scare me right away.

                I don’t scare you, but I warn you, and on the poplar count I have spoken out repeatedly there’s no wet place left from you, and the iskanders can be equipped with nuclear warheads, then your iron dome will be covered with a copper basin angry
                1. Professor
                  Professor 18 May 2013 22: 39 New
                  0
                  Quote: krokodil25
                  Iskander can be equipped with nuclear warheads, then your iron dome will be covered with a copper basin

                  Well, they would have immediately threatened with nuclear weapons. Now the degree of your adulthood is clear to me. Good night, children. tongue
            2. Komsomolets
              Komsomolets 19 May 2013 08: 54 New
              +1
              krokodil25 And you and the Syrians of Jews are going to throw what caps?
              1. krokodil25
                krokodil25 19 May 2013 12: 06 New
                0
                Quote: Komsomolets
                krokodil25 And you and the Syrians of Jews are going to throw what caps?

                What kind of need and we will shower!
          2. Army1
            Army1 18 May 2013 22: 47 New
            +1
            Of course, I’m not a fan of science fiction, like: the United States is occupying Russia and we will be partisans and not URYAPATRIOT, but the situation with arms supplies to Syria, you see, is not beneficial for Israel. After all, the same with 300 has the ability to work on ground targets, and the bastion? who knows who knows.....
      2. Anti
        Anti 18 May 2013 19: 56 New
        +2
        Quote: Professor
        Now urapatrioty nervously smoke on the sidelines and reread tales


        All the amers were leaked in the 90s; they themselves would not have come to that; in the USSR, in the series were already in 1974 - BP-2 Swift ..
      3. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 18 May 2013 22: 06 New
        +1
        Quote: Professor
        Now the urapatriots smoke nervously on the sidelines and reread the tales of "how the Iranians landed an American drone"

        By the way, there is a version that the Chinese were able to obtain, through espionage, material related to American UAVs and therefore very, well (very judging by the new aircraft) advanced Iranians managed to land UAVs.
        1. Professor
          Professor 18 May 2013 22: 13 New
          +1
          SW Mikhail, it’s not the first day here, but in such a believe ... Already 100 times he explained why this is impossible. request
          1. saturn.mmm
            saturn.mmm 18 May 2013 23: 12 New
            +1
            Quote: Professor
            SW Mikhail, it’s not the first day here, but in such a believe ... Already 100 times he explained why this is impossible.

            Yes, I do not say, but something Americans took root on the Chinese
            China Cyberspies Outwit US Stealing Vital Military Secrets
            By Michael Riley and Ben Elgin / Bloomberg News
            Published: May 05. 2013 4:00 AM PST
            , and the fact that the Iranians themselves planted, I do not even consider this version.
      4. Rider
        Rider 18 May 2013 23: 08 New
        +1
        Quote: Professor
        waf and re-read tales of "how the Iranians landed an American drone"


        uh ... I'm wildly sorry, but wasn’t that?
        1. Professor
          Professor 19 May 2013 07: 36 New
          +2
          Quote: Rider
          I'm wildly sorry, but wasn’t that?

          No need to apologize, this was not - he fell. And neither the Persians nor the Chinese planted him.
          Scandalous UAV RQ-170 still flying
          1. Rider
            Rider 19 May 2013 11: 19 New
            0
            Quote: Professor
            this was not - he fell


            can and so prof.


            HOWEVER !

            Do not tell me the working height of the UAV?
            I'm definitely not in the know. but I think at least 4km will be.
            just imagine that he was screwed up from such a height.
            there are enough pictures of the planes that fell and scattered into the trash on the network.
            the case would certainly be like chewed socks.
            Well, not from armored steel is he.

            and the fact that Iranian warriors take a lot on themselves is a no brainer.
            they said that they had already filled up 6 drones, and only one was presented, the same one.

            here we write it on their account.
            1. Professor
              Professor 19 May 2013 12: 01 New
              +4
              Quote: Rider
              just imagine that he was screwed up from such a height.

              That is, if he has screwed up a stone from such a height, and the fact that he has screwed up is beyond doubt. You carefully look at how the Iranians glued it, froze it and repainted it (with the circus painted in general) and hid its lower part. Explicitly hide the soft landing.
              1. Rider
                Rider 19 May 2013 12: 06 New
                +2
                Quote: Professor
                You carefully look at how the Iranians glued it,


                Well, it’s absolutely clear that he was not on his own feet ... uh, got on wheels.

                it is clear that the landing was hard, but to say that "he fell" is silly.

                if he fell on his own from such a height, then it was possible to demonstrate only frayed fragments.

                version with control interception - more than real.
                1. Professor
                  Professor 19 May 2013 12: 12 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Rider
                  if he fell on his own from such a height, then it was possible to demonstrate only frayed fragments.

                  He ran out of fuel, lost altitude and landed hard to the delight of the Iranians. Neither before nor after them did such a fortune roll over.

                  Quote: Rider
                  version with control interception - more than real.

                  No, not real. Forgive me, but I have already explained here 100 times why this is almost impossible to do. I even wanted to write an article about this, but there is no time.
                  1. Rider
                    Rider 19 May 2013 12: 52 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Professor
                    He ran out of fuel, lost altitude and landed hard to the delight of the Iranians.


                    aren't you funny yourself?

                    AND WHERE HIS OPERATORS WERE AT THIS TIME?

                    hamburgers ate?

                    with what fright the Yankees "delight" the Persians.

                    Quote: Professor
                    No, not real.


                    as well as "he fell"
                  2. Professor
                    Professor 19 May 2013 13: 50 New
                    0
                    Quote: Rider
                    AND WHERE HIS OPERATORS WERE AT THIS TIME?

                    Operators in classmates sat while the drone had a failure.

                    Quote: Rider
                    with what fright the Yankees "delight" the Persians.

                    I’m not saying that the Americans put him there, he himself fell.

                    as well as "he fell"

                    It's like your computer itself can die once and for all, but neither you nor anyone else could hack Skype on your computer on anyone else. Talk about taking control or even jamming this UAV causes a smile among specialists.
                  3. Rider
                    Rider 19 May 2013 14: 20 New
                    +1
                    sorry, but this is ridiculous.

                    Quote: Professor
                    Talk about taking control or even jamming this UAV causes a smile among specialists.


                    yes, and the fact that the UAV had unencrypted information channels through which data was downloaded not only by the owners of the drones, probably also caused a grin
                    (for the time being)
                  4. Professor
                    Professor 19 May 2013 14: 38 New
                    0
                    Not encrypted channels for transmitting video information, but not control commands. And then it was not with the most modern reconnaissance drone. The Iranians found governing protocols in Google? wink
                    The discussion of this topic here and now is ending. I wish Iran success in their hard work of fooling urapatriots with invisible planes, reconnaissance equipment and other achievements of the Islamic revolution. hi
  • krokodil25
    krokodil25 18 May 2013 19: 29 New
    +3
    Quote: vaf
    not a "photo-toad", but a real "CINEMA-FACT"!

    Cinema fact made in Hollywood, we know how they landed on the moon, and here something similar stop
    1. VAF
      VAF 18 May 2013 20: 55 New
      +2
      Quote: krokodil25
      Cinema fact made in Hollywood, we know how they landed on the moon, and here something similar


      Well, you’re very much in vain ..... I remember the Double Hero of the Soviet Union pilot-cosmonaut Leonov the same ... "walked" ?????



      Who then is for you ... authority ??? In military affairs ???? wink
      In principle, you can not answer ... I guess right away wink , immediately felt "school" ... "a great deterrent in the outhouse" .... wassat

      Well, you can’t do that .. honestly!

      But all the Great People and commanders have been saying all their lives that future generations would fulfill their orders:

      1. He studies military affairs in the present way.

      2. In order to successfully beat the enemy, you need to know him all the way to the language.

      3. Do not consider the enemy worse than yourself!

      Well, about the Iskanders ... then it’s better to just immediately ... give them to the Israelis, anyway they’ll turn out to be wink
      1. krokodil25
        krokodil25 18 May 2013 21: 12 New
        +2
        Quote: vaf
        Well, about the Iskanders ... then it’s better to just immediately ... give them to the Israelis, anyway they’ll turn out to be

        And you, I look with the professor, the Iskander made friends, they decided to give them back; if the Iskanders appear in Syria, then our specialists will protect them.
        1. VAF
          VAF 18 May 2013 21: 23 New
          +4
          Quote: krokodil25
          And you I look with the professor became friends


          What does it mean to make friends or not to make friends, though .... with people like Professor and Pupyrchaty would be really glad to get acquainted not on the Internet drinks

          Quote: krokodil25
          Iskander decided to give them


          Gennady, I already wrote once that I was "on a business trip" there from 1980 to 1982 and from my own "experience" I know what their army and aviation are, so I should tell you what they are " warriors "... do not!

          Quote: krokodil25
          if the iskanders appear in Syria, then our specialists will guard them.


          In the best case, closure engineers, one adviser per service, and from specialists .... a couple of "human" with bellies and each with a secretary and translator (the same female) and will be on the salary of the advisers wassat

          So it was and will be, because SYSTEM does not change !!!

          No offense, but ... drinks
          1. krokodil25
            krokodil25 18 May 2013 21: 39 New
            +1
            Quote: vaf
            In the best case, closure engineers, one adviser per service, and from specialists .... a couple of "human" with bellies and each with a secretary and translator (the same female) and will be on the salary of the advisers

            I don’t need to talk about specialists with tummies, I’m not a moron of the last category either stop
            1. VAF
              VAF 18 May 2013 22: 07 New
              +2
              Quote: krokodil25
              I don’t need to talk about specialists with tummies, I’m not a moron of the last category either


              Gennady, you see how everything is simply “revealed” ... you can immediately see that you have never been to such "business trips" as Syria, Angola, Ethiopia, and Yemen, and you do not know what is there and how.

              About "specialists with tummies" I didn’t mean the guys from SPECIALIZATION, of whom there were not only units, but PITS, but about the guys .. "from the next door"! Well, or from the Office ... whatever you want to call!
              1. krokodil25
                krokodil25 18 May 2013 22: 19 New
                0
                Quote: vaf
                Gennady, you see how everything is simply “revealed” ... you can immediately see that you have never been to such "business trips" as Syria, Angola, Ethiopia, and Yemen, and you do not know what is there and how.

                About "specialists with tummies" I didn’t mean the guys from SPECIALIZATION, of whom there were not only units, but PITS, but about the guys .. "from the next door"! Well, or from the Office ... whatever you want to call!

                What is revealed? Personally, I know the men from VIMPELA how they worked, well, of course, in general terms, as they say. Well, Sergey, good night, otherwise I went to the fourth hour of the night yes
                1. VAF
                  VAF 18 May 2013 23: 20 New
                  +1
                  Quote: krokodil25
                  What is revealed?


                  What is being revealed ... what are you, you .. "out of business"!

                  And what does the Sabotage and Reconnaissance Unit have to do with the tasks you are talking about!
                  I am also familiar with so many guys from Vympel, so what's next?
                  The topic is not about that!
                  Well, I’ve got distracted by hockey! OK good night! drinks
          2. krokodil25
            krokodil25 18 May 2013 21: 46 New
            0
            Quote: vaf
            . their army and aviation, so I don’t need to tell you what “warriors” they are ... no need!

            And I do not need to tell who is who, our specialists, I know if they have to meet with them I do not envy them! am
            1. VAF
              VAF 18 May 2013 22: 12 New
              +4
              Quote: krokodil25
              And I don’t have to tell who is who, our specialists, I know if they have to meet them I don’t envy them


              So I don’t “tell” you or you for SPECIAL OFFICE ... read the comments above more attentively, but SPECIAL OFFICE of the probable enemy cannot be underestimated the same!
              Cape envy never led to good !!! soldier
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          3. Rider
            Rider 18 May 2013 23: 20 New
            0
            Quote: vaf
            I already wrote once that "I was on a business trip" there from 1980 to 1982 ...... At best, closers, one adviser each, and from specialists .... a couple of people "with bellies and to each according to the secretary and translator (the same female) and on the salary will be at the advisers


            I don’t want to offend, but it’s you who happen to be not about yourself?
            but it’s somehow strange,
            you were there, and you probably won’t say anything bad about yourself.
            but those who come then they are with tummies and with ... uh secretaries.
            here I am a sinful thing and thought
            especially since
            So it was and will be, because SYSTEM does not change !!!


            and I do not really understand the thesis
            Well, about the Iskanders ... then it’s better to just immediately ... give them to the Israelis, anyway they’ll turn out to be
            (from answer above)

            You suggest that you don’t pass anything at all.

            (I do not doubt the capabilities of the Israeli special forces)

            so can immediately raise the legs?
            and Siberia to give a bunch of Chinese.
            and that there are still more of them, and without nuclear weapons we won’t stop them.
            1. VAF
              VAF 18 May 2013 23: 40 New
              +1
              Quote: Rider
              I don’t want to offend, but it’s you who happen to be not about yourself?


              You are mistaken, there can’t be a pilot ... "a man from the office", this time, but for the rest .. it’s very simple- "the currency salary of the adviser 2000 Baku", on hand (this is figuratively, part for a book in the Union at the rate) 800 green, and the rest ...... but the rest is exactly where I said.

              To understand, I repeat again. You have to be there and see everything with your own eyes, then there will be no questions.

              The database is strictly out of order, from 09.00 with two breaks for prayer. The end of the database is at 17.00, Saturday at 15.30, Sunday is a day off (the men and I wound up in Beirut or in Haifa)
              Every soldier has a shop, and an officer has a shop and .... in the coffin onga saw all of our Soviet Charters and Readiness .. You need it, you are sitting!
              Aviation does not fly at night .... Nizya .. Allah does not order!

              Now it’s clear why the Israeli Air Force flies in Syria, like at home?

              And you are here on the site "transported" ... yes we have them, yes the S-300, but at least 700 or 800 ... in the hands of the Syrian is .. a piece of iron no more!

              Teperb about the paws to the top:

              Did you think about a “sudden” decision on the urgent preparation and transfer to gas of all vehicles and personal vehicles including ???
              There is no official motivation to offer ... this is "noodles" for uriapatriots!
              So think ... the answer is right on the surface.
              And for Siberia ... they won’t take everything ... it’s cold there, but the southern part and the Far East and so on ... practically ... Chinese!
              1. Rider
                Rider 19 May 2013 00: 06 New
                +2
                too vaf

                if you are a pilot, then all questions are removed.

                the “fighting efficiency” of Arabs and Persians is also not of a high opinion (although the Syrians are noticeably better)

                Well, about gas, this is an open secret.

                But about Siberia, this is from what kind of alignment?


                And you are here on the site "transported" ... yes we have them, yes the S-300, but at least 700 or 800 ... in the hands of the Syrian is .. a piece of iron no more!

                PERSONALLY, I NEVER said such a thing, and did not breed anything.
                be more precise.


                and by the way, if WE are urapatriots, then YOU (it turns out) are uraporazhtsy?
                I don’t understand what; a pessimist is an informed optimist.
                but still (desirable) to be a little more restrained.
              2. Anti
                Anti 19 May 2013 00: 08 New
                -3
                Quote: vaf
                Did you think about a “sudden” decision on the urgent preparation and transfer to gas of all vehicles and personal vehicles including ???


                1. Preservation of oil fields for future generations.
                2. It is reasonable to equip a vehicle with the ability to move on gas, especially a military one. (Reserve tanks)
                3. Reduction of deliveries abroad (policy)
                4. Temporary loss of oil fields abroad.
                5.Ecology full bullshit.
                Which is closer?
                1. Rider
                  Rider 19 May 2013 00: 22 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Anti


                  excuse me, but you have to be a little logical
                  (I understand that we are, as it were, on the same positions)
                  but still.
                  1. and gas re-preservation? - illogical
                  2. Especially not funny about the military, he explodes.
                  there are no objections to the rest.
                  but still (I think) it’s just redress to the gas oligarchs.
                  just recently, Belarusians were planted on gas.

                  Alas, no one has canceled business yet.
                  Alas again.
                2. Anti
                  Anti 19 May 2013 00: 31 New
                  -3
                  Quote: Rider
                  especially not funny about the military, he explodes.

                  and traditional fuel is explosive, no less, but there is an alternative
                  Quote: Rider
                  Alas, no one has canceled business yet.

                  business does not happen without politics
                  Quote: Rider
                  but still (I think) it’s just redress to the gas oligarchs.

                  what are their losses? they are only with us laughing
                3. Rider
                  Rider 19 May 2013 01: 00 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Anti
                  and traditional fuel is explosive, no less, but there is an alternative


                  maybe there is an alternative, but not gas.
                  about gas for military equipment and scary to think.
                  and Brontechnika riding a solarium.
                  it is not so combustible.

                  that’s why they don’t put gas on buses for people.

                  Quote: Anti
                  what are their losses? they are only with us


                  not only in our country, the "de-diversification" of deliveries to Europe hits hard in the pockets of gas pumps.
                  here is the little bear and is trying.
                  and if you also gouge Syria with Iran ...
                4. Anti
                  Anti 19 May 2013 09: 08 New
                  -1
                  Quote: Rider
                  that’s why they don’t put gas on buses for people.


                  Germany has a lot of gas buses.

                  Quote: Rider
                  maybe there is an alternative, but not gas.
                  about gas for military equipment and scary to think.

                  In combat, everything is scary, even if it moves on the water.
                5. Rider
                  Rider 19 May 2013 11: 26 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Anti
                  Germany has a lot of gas buses.


                  hmm ... didn't know.

                  Quote: Anti
                  In combat, everything is scary, even if it moves on the water.


                  You see, the fact is that the gas is very volatile, the slightest leak, and a fire (from a heated engine) can occur even in a non-combat situation.

                  even so, gas is not the best replacement for a solarium.
      2. Professor
        Professor 19 May 2013 07: 54 New
        0
        Quote: vaf
        the men and I wound to Beirut or Haifa

        I think about Haifa you have a typo. wink
        1. VAF
          VAF 19 May 2013 12: 24 New
          0
          Quote: Professor
          I think about Haifa you have a typo.


          And .... in vain, dear Professor! drinks
        2. Professor
          Professor 19 May 2013 12: 27 New
          +1
          From this place, please read more ... how did you visit Haifa on weekends from Syria in 1980. It is really very interesting how with a Soviet passport could pass border control? hi
        3. VAF
          VAF 19 May 2013 12: 34 New
          0
          Quote: Professor
          From this place, please read more.


          Excuse me, dear Professor, but ..... this "story", maybe .. "cherevat" bully

          And I need it, in old age, “these headaches”! wink

          wrote a little in PM! drinks
  • krokodil25
    krokodil25 18 May 2013 21: 26 New
    0
    Quote: vaf
    Well, you’re very much in vain ..... I remember the Double Hero of the Soviet Union pilot-cosmonaut Leonov the same ... "walked" ?????

    By the way, we didn’t switch to you!

    What had to land on the moon ?!
  • krokodil25
    krokodil25 18 May 2013 21: 06 New
    -2
    Everyone who minusanul and did not answer on ib..lu fill a little well, well, see you again! angry
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      1. Apollo
        Apollo 18 May 2013 21: 39 New
        +4
        Quote: Anti
        ......... on all branches is the enemy number 3


        so if you don’t calm down, get a second warning.
        1. Anti
          Anti 18 May 2013 22: 33 New
          -3
          Apollo, if you continue to pursue me, I will sue all of humanity for you. sad
          1. Apollo
            Apollo 18 May 2013 22: 39 New
            +4
            Quote: Anti
            Arollo, if you continue to pursue me, I will sue all of humanity for you



            1.Where is the letter "n" ?! winked
            2.Not to chase but chase.
            3. For Threat by Court + laughing
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              1. Apollo
                Apollo 18 May 2013 22: 50 New
                +2
                Quote: Anti
                But what does the prefix happen to be?


                So write on the topic, here, or on another thread. Everything.
              2. Ruslan67
                Ruslan67 19 May 2013 03: 00 New
                +2
                Quote: Apollon
                So write on the topic, here, or on another thread. Everything.

                Reply Quote Report Abuse

                Mr. moderator hi Such desman brutalized negative It was worth a week to spend in the country as soon as generals wassat divorced as fur animals from the Dzungaria bully
        2. Ruslan67
          Ruslan67 19 May 2013 02: 55 New
          +2
          Quote: Anti
          Apollo, if you continue to pursue me, I will sue all of humanity for you.

          Hearings will be held in Pago - Pago Eastern Samoa United States Is there enough money for a ticket? or will the State Department write a business trip? wassat
  • Canep
    Canep 18 May 2013 19: 27 New
    +3
    Well, you can congratulate them.
  • slvevg
    slvevg 19 May 2013 20: 03 New
    +1
    and whatever you may say, but there is a backlog in the field of UAVs for 15 years, it is necessary to develop means of counteracting robots based on AI in all its diversity. soldier
  • smershspy
    smershspy 18 May 2013 10: 45 New
    13
    Lord! Good news! Have more new equipment in the army! I have the honor!
  • UFO
    UFO 18 May 2013 10: 58 New
    +6
    There are more contractors in the air defense, equipment is becoming more complicated and specialists need good ones. hi
    1. queen
      queen 18 May 2013 11: 12 New
      +4
      Quote: UFO
      More contractors in air defense

      You are right, but do not forget that we have a lot of office plankton divorced, so conscripts are mandatory, and for two years.
      1. nemec55
        nemec55 18 May 2013 11: 34 New
        +2
        At one time I would go for three. So it's not the limit.
        1. seller trucks
          seller trucks 18 May 2013 12: 37 New
          +5
          under the USSR there was a kind of alternative service, vocational training school for training personnel for the Navy (42 Naval School of the Navy, Kronstadt - he graduated), then, 3 years of compulsory practice on the so-called auxiliary fleet (on the Northern Fleet it was called OVSG), i.e. civilian working for a salary. what am I doing that prevents me from developing in this vein for any kind of troops? there were also secondary schools (technical schools) for the preparation of secondary naval personnel, nothing needs to be invented. Service, specialty, salary.
  • pahom54
    pahom54 18 May 2013 11: 09 New
    +2
    Nevertheless, it’s nice to find out such news ... We did not have time to finish off the army, thank God !!!
    Only here is the problem in the servants and especially in their preparation remains topical. You can’t master well-received new equipment by conscripts.
    1. Alexander_
      Alexander_ 18 May 2013 11: 40 New
      +2
      It is high time to get a driver’s license under the school curriculum, and prepare for service at school.
    2. Airman
      Airman 18 May 2013 12: 05 New
      +2
      Quote: pahom54
      Nevertheless, it’s nice to find out such news ... We did not have time to finish off the army, thank God !!!
      Only here is the problem in the servants and especially in their preparation remains topical. You can’t master well-received new equipment by conscripts.

      You can prepare a conscript for a year if you are seriously engaged in it. But there is no time to serve him, it’s time for a demobilization. Therefore, they don’t teach.
    3. DEfindER
      DEfindER 18 May 2013 13: 18 New
      +1
      Quote: pahom54
      Only here is the problem in the servants and especially in their preparation remains topical.

      Well, in this case, as far as I know, TORs have the highest degree of automation, because to shoot down missiles, you need to make a decision in a split second, and entrusting this to a person is hardly possible. Here are long-range systems that have a margin of time, there it is possible to decide not to shoot down at the level of chiefs of staff. And then I set up an air defense robot and don’t think about anything, I hope they will bring this machine to full automation with artificial intelligence .. By the way, the main parameter of the complex, its range, was not given in the article.

      For modification M1
      It provides protection against targets moving at speeds of up to 700 m / s, at distances from 0,5 to 12 km and at altitudes from 10 m to 6 km. Transfer from marching to combat position takes up to 3 minutes. The reaction time of the complex is 8-12 seconds.
      1. mehanik27
        mehanik27 18 May 2013 20: 19 New
        +1
        Quote: DEfindER
        Well, in this case, as far as I know, TORs have the highest degree of automation
        and short MTBF
    4. mehanik27
      mehanik27 18 May 2013 20: 20 New
      0
      C'mon, in the beginning in the 2000s conscripts, half of whom, at least, God forbid 9 classes graduated, successfully mastered sophisticated equipment, in particular the complex depicted in the photo.
  • Quartermaster
    Quartermaster 18 May 2013 11: 44 New
    +2
    So after all, 2 new plants are being built, where they will just produce the S-500.
    1. elmir15
      elmir15 18 May 2013 12: 04 New
      +4
      And this is very good. S-300 complexes are in demand around the world, the portfolio of orders is huge, and we need to close our territories. Holes in the North should be closed with S-400 and Migami-31 complexes. So it would be nice to build 2 plants faster.
      1. mogus
        mogus 18 May 2013 12: 18 New
        +1
        I read yesterday that the s400 plant will finish in 2015. And they are building two plants. The second can and will be on s500.
        1. elmir15
          elmir15 18 May 2013 13: 51 New
          +1
          Faster would have built. Over time, with 500 kami and with 400 kami, replace the c300. And those who were freed with 300 allies, both close and distant - Syria, Venezuela, etc.
  • pinecone
    pinecone 18 May 2013 12: 18 New
    +3
    Quote: Sukhov
    Quote: Canep
    In Russia, this diversity SAM, which I sometimes get confused. Here we are definitely ahead of the rest.

    Merit of Nikita Sergeevich (rockets instead of guns).
    There is no silver lining!


    The first Soviet air defense systems began to be developed back under Stalin (the Berkut project, 1950).
    1. Suhov
      Suhov 18 May 2013 13: 23 New
      0
      Quote: pinecone
      The first Soviet air defense systems began to be developed back under Stalin (the Berkut project, 1950).

      I'm a little about something else.
      Under Khrushchev abandoned the barrel artillery: not only did not develop, but much was simply cut.
      Nikita Sergeyevich believed that all problems can be solved with the help of rockets and did not spare money for this.
      But there was still not enough money for everything.
      Saving resources by abandoning certain areas of the development of armaments made it possible to begin to solve the problems of providing the citizens of the USSR with food, consumer goods, and housing (Khrushchev).
      Not Khrushchev - bad, such a time.
      1. Rider
        Rider 18 May 2013 23: 30 New
        -1
        Quote: Sukhov
        and housing (Khrushchev)


        on Khrushchev, I advise you to get acquainted (the second part of the article)

        http://oko-planet.su/history/historynew/186390-razoblachenie-mifov-o-hruscheve-n
        ikakoy-polzy-krome-vreda-faktor-berii.html
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  • andrei332809
    andrei332809 18 May 2013 12: 21 New
    0
    reinforce the southern direction, reinforce. they know something at the top that they don’t tell us about
  • PValery53
    PValery53 18 May 2013 12: 22 New
    0
    I am very pleased with the receipts of new equipment, and especially with air defense (I am a reserve squad). But even with all the equipment, one would not miss the flight of the adversaries! Keep the service on top!
  • egsp
    egsp 18 May 2013 13: 16 New
    +2
    Something they do not want to publish my criticisms. probably also think in the Air Defense Forces all is well.
  • crasever
    crasever 18 May 2013 13: 22 New
    -1
    Everything is done right - Russia has an excellent, still Soviet, groundwork for military air defense, which it is unlikely that it will be possible for “friends” to reach it, so they set up and master new equipment. And the rest of the segments have the same dynamics - you look, and the adversary will not climb ...
  • egsp
    egsp 18 May 2013 13: 34 New
    +2
    Military air defense is forgotten by all.
    Everywhere laudatory odes s-400 and hypothetical s-500 (missile defense element). The leadership of the Armed Forces forgot that the ground forces during the hostilities cover the air defense forces of the SV, which are currently in poor condition. More than 50% of arms and military equipment are over 30 years old, the last "new" samples of the Buk-m1 and S-300v entered the army in 1994, the Shkilki are still in service with non-short-range MSBRs, and in some places even the S-60 (who does not know anti-aircraft gun on wheels). The only ostentatious team with the new Buk-m2 equipment (Alkino village) is a drop in the bucket.
    1. PLO
      PLO 18 May 2013 15: 04 New
      0
      have you heard anything about the S-300B4?
      1. Komsomolets
        Komsomolets 19 May 2013 09: 35 New
        +2
        olp And tell me please, where do we have the S-300B4 really in service and in what quantity?
        1. PLO
          PLO 19 May 2013 12: 03 New
          0
          olp And tell me please, where do we have the S-300B4 really in service and in what quantity?

          a year ago, a contract was signed for the supply of S-300V4 for a period of 3 years.

          where they stand xs, but they said that the first 3 divisions will go to SEE.
          1. Komsomolets
            Komsomolets 19 May 2013 13: 13 New
            +2
            olp that's when they do then there will be a conversation, but for now this is only an intention.
            I think it’s not worth saying how many military contracts we have broken.
            S-400 until the 20th year in the amount of 56 divisions will not be unequivocally everyone already understands this.
            Even the construction of new plants does not save. So I think it's too early to talk about the S-300B4. At the same time, one should not forget that all four brigades of the three divisions of the S-300V are already more than 20 years old, so that by the time the S-300B4 appears, they can no longer be counted.
            1. PLO
              PLO 19 May 2013 15: 25 New
              0
              There was no information on how this contract is being implemented (successfully or not), so it is too early to draw conclusions.

              At the same time, one should not forget that all four brigades of the three divisions of the S-300V are already more than 20 years old, so that by the time the S-300B4 appears, they can no longer be counted.

              here let’s also not draw any unfounded conclusions about what to consider and what not to consider.

              in any case, it was a response to the comment that they completely forgot about anti-aircraft defense, which is frank distortion
              1. Komsomolets
                Komsomolets 19 May 2013 15: 48 New
                +2
                olp the fact that about the air defense forces of the SV forgot this is a real fact. Nothing has been received for more than 20 years. Have you forgotten this?
                I don’t argue that deliveries, while piece-by-piece, went well, but so far these deliveries do not equalize the situation. Degradation is ongoing.
                And my justified conclusions, the life cycle of the S-300V is running out. I know the state of technology from the Birobidzhan brigade by hearsay, to put it mildly very, very low.
                1. mehanik27
                  mehanik27 19 May 2013 16: 04 New
                  +1
                  20 years ago it was 93 years old ... a couple of years later they re-equipped 1142 zrp with a new complex. In 2005, the Volgograd regiment was re-equipped (I don’t remember the number). This is just what I remembered offhand.
                  1. Komsomolets
                    Komsomolets 19 May 2013 17: 20 New
                    +3
                    I don’t argue, they delivered something, but this is a drop in the bucket. And the fact that it’s delivered today is yesterday’s technique, you cannot but understand this, since you are serving on the “Torah”.
                    For example, in the 91st year, a film about Buk-M2 was shown to us at the Orenburg School, calculations were in uniform of the SA. Today it is in service in the amount of one division (ceremonial) in Alkino.
                    1. mehanik27
                      mehanik27 19 May 2013 21: 09 New
                      0
                      To re-equip a whole SRP, when there is an economic crisis in the country, it’s a drop in the ocean ????? (I still can’t give the full text, since the site says that I have an invalid text)
    2. mehanik27
      mehanik27 18 May 2013 20: 23 New
      0
      Well, tell me where parts from the S-60 remained ????? In addition to storage bases and arsenals.
  • egsp
    egsp 18 May 2013 14: 02 New
    +3
    I would put the author a minus, as yet there is no authority.
    The fact is that recently I have been observing a tendency to praise completely ordinary and simple things (such as brigade, battalion tactical exercises) or public relations receipts of supposedly new equipment (I recently read on the website about the entry of Hyacinth-s systems into the BBO troops). These articles create the appearance of the availability of new weapons and military equipment.
    1. Airman
      Airman 18 May 2013 14: 24 New
      +1
      Over the past 20 years, nothing new has appeared in the Air Defense Forces. The Shell-S-1 is a modernized Tunguska, mounted on wheels.
    2. Komsomolets
      Komsomolets 19 May 2013 09: 43 New
      +1
      EGSSP absolutely agree with you, I saw at the station in Chita these Hyacinths removed from storage and sent to the BBO. After being removed from storage, they didn’t even bother to paint, it’s not even worth talking about modernization ...
  • v53993
    v53993 18 May 2013 15: 29 New
    0
    The article is encouraging. Of course, I would like to get the latest air defense systems, a lot and immediately. But this does not happen. And about the obsolete equipment ..., in skillful hands, the “old woman” S-125 flunked the F-117 once again.
    1. Airman
      Airman 18 May 2013 18: 12 New
      +2
      Quote: v53993
      The article is encouraging. Of course, I would like to get the latest air defense systems, a lot and immediately. But this does not happen. And about the obsolete equipment ..., in skillful hands, the “old woman” S-125 flunked the F-117 once again.

      And where can skillful hands come from? In Soviet times, all anti-aircraft missile regiments and brigades once every 2 years launched combat launches at the Emba training ground, and now if they fire, it is very rare. It is better to dispose of the missiles in an explosive manner than to shoot at the training ground, less expensive .
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      2. mehanik27
        mehanik27 18 May 2013 20: 26 New
        0
        Where does this information come from ???? On this site, two types of hamsters are usually a hamster jubilant and a hamster yearning for pronounced polymers. You clearly belong to the second type. Since 2000, the practice of carrying out BS with TU when the PSA or brigade has been completely restored years shoots at the firing range. Source - own experience
        1. Komsomolets
          Komsomolets 19 May 2013 10: 02 New
          +2
          mehanik27, but do not share your rich experience of TU with BS (is this abbreviation correctly spelled like this)?
          1. mehanik27
            mehanik27 19 May 2013 15: 24 New
            +2
            What to share then ??? Regarding the TU with the BS, you’re right, I didn’t notice that I was mistaken when writing.
  • Dimkapvo
    Dimkapvo 18 May 2013 21: 10 New
    0
    A well-known in the expert circles analytical center Air Power Australia in early February presented an in-depth study on the combat capabilities of modern military aviation and current air defense systems. The American “air sword” and the Russian “shield” are taken as a basis.
    In fact, Russian air defense systems are assigned to the premium class. For this assessment, researchers from Air Power Australia are working on their high combat reliability, destruction efficiency and relatively low price by the standards of the arms market. For example, Americans of this class of system are much more expensive, despite the fact that the same reliability, efficiency and combat capabilities of their products are much lower than Russian ones.

    The conclusion of foreign experts is interesting: modern Russian anti-aircraft missile systems and radar systems have reached a level that virtually eliminates the possibility of the survival of US military aircraft in the event of a military collision.

    According to an Australian study, not only American F-15, F-16 and F / A-18 planes are not capable of resisting Russian air defense, but even the promising fifth-generation Joint Strike Fighter fighter, also known as F-35 Lightning II. And in order to achieve the superiority that the United States military aviation had at the time of the end of the Cold War, the Pentagon must adopt at least 400 more F-22 Raptor aircraft. Otherwise, American aviation will finally lose its strategic superiority over Russian air defense.

    Air Power Australia recalls that its expert Dr. Carlo Call, who defended his dissertation in the field of radar technology, compared the capabilities of modern Russian anti-aircraft missile systems and American F-35 fighters and came to the conclusion that these aircraft will be an easy target. The manufacturer of the latest winged aircraft, the Lockheed Martin Corporation of America, has never tried to publicly challenge the expert’s statement.
    1. Komsomolets
      Komsomolets 19 May 2013 10: 56 New
      +3
      DimkaPVO certainly can not but rejoice that the Australians are so afraid of our air defense, and the Su-35S, etc. d.
      But it does not at all reflect the real state of affairs. These studies are based on a comparison of performance characteristics, but the following questions are not reflected at all:
      - training and staffing of combat crews
      - quantitative and qualitative state of arms and military equipment
      - manning and age of missiles, etc.
      I want to assure you that even with these three questions everything is very deplorable, that in the air defense of the NE, that of the East Kazakhstan region, that of the air force, etc. Yes, they started to go to live firing, sometimes they even shoot well. But all this is on equipment that mainly breathes incense, missiles that have lived 2-3 lives, and even on targets that everyone knows where and how much will fly, and on which route and how.
      Of course, there are shifts for the better, but such tepps that the country's full radar field and full anti-aircraft missile cover will reach 200 years later. And all this was 20 years ago.
      And now, unfortunately, there is practically no radar field at all, the air defense is focal in nature, and the north is generally completely open.
      So look at things realistically, since 7-8 S-400 divisions for more than 5 years not only do not improve the situation, but also do not keep at this level, because they do not compensate for obsolete S-300s ...
      And so the news itself is positive, but it's time to scream so early.
  • Mr. Truth
    Mr. Truth 19 May 2013 01: 21 New
    +1
    A good car, one thing is interesting, will it pull another pair of rockets so that there are 10 on the BM?
    1. mehanik27
      mehanik27 19 May 2013 06: 35 New
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      And where to put this couple ????
  • Mr. Truth
    Mr. Truth 19 May 2013 17: 48 New
    +1
    Quote: mehanik27
    And where to put this couple ????

    Yes it’s just that, thinking out loud. The car is very good, anyway.
    1. mehanik27
      mehanik27 19 May 2013 21: 04 New
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      Than good, worked with her a lot ????
  • Dr.
    Dr. M2 19 May 2013 19: 57 New
    +2
    For reference: S-300, S-400, S-500 are made at different factories in Russia, so do not rush to announce that the S-500 is not made.
    I warn you in advance that I do not intend to report data. The less you know the better you sleep


    Well, let’s say at which plant they make the “S-300”, or “S-400” and so everyone knows.

    If there is a minimal desire to crawl on the Internet, at least you can find that
    91N6A is being made at OAO NPO NIIP-NZiK (Novosibirsk),
    92N6A at OAO NMZ (Nizhny Novgorod),
    96L6 at OAO NPO LEMZ (Moscow),
    5P85TM2 launchers (for example) are made at the same NMZ OJSC or at GOZ Obukhovskiy Zavod OAO, and a lot of enterprises are involved in cooperation. For example, the electronics for 92N6A comes from OJSC MMZ, the antenna for it is made and tuned by OJSC ZRTO and even (ha ha ha) the Sokol aviation plant, and so on, many enterprises are involved, hundreds, starting at least chassis from the MZKT (Belarus) or OJSC BZKT (Bryansk), or the missiles themselves (OJSC Moscow Avangard Engineering Plant, Moscow), and believe me, this whole chain of cooperation is generally known to everyone who was interested in the issue.

    But the S-500 has not yet been developed, so there is simply nothing to do.
  • Dr.
    Dr. M2 19 May 2013 20: 06 New
    +2
    So after all, 2 new plants are being built, where they will just produce the S-500.


    At present, these two plants have nothing to do with the S-500. I repeat, no S-500 just yet exists. And when it will exist and it will actually be possible at these "two plants" (or rather three) to be produced, then these are all the same radars and launchers, with slightly modified electronics. Replace several electronic components and missiles on the S-300 and you will have the S-400. So from S-400 to S-500 step.
  • Dr.
    Dr. M2 19 May 2013 20: 16 New
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    I read yesterday that the s400 plant will finish in 2015. And they are building two plants. The second can and will be on s500.


    One is focused on radar and launchers, the second on missiles. Both in 2015 in the best case (far from a fact) will produce one copy of each of the products planned for production, for presentation to state tests. Despite the fact that in these produced copies almost everything really valuable (for example, electronics) will for the most part be produced not at "new factories".
  • Dr.
    Dr. M2 19 May 2013 20: 25 New
    +1
    that’s why they don’t put gas on buses for people.


    even the old grooves have long been riding on gas.
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