Anti-aircraft gunners of the Southern Military District are developing new Tor-MU air defense systems

The combat crews of the air defense units of the Southern Military District will carry out live firing of the modern Tor-MU anti-aircraft missile system at the Kapustin Yar range in the Astrakhan region.

For the development of new weapons, anti-aircraft gunners during 3,5 months underwent special training in the Air Defense Training Center in the Krasnodar Territory, where they studied its tactical and technical characteristics, the basics of operation and combat use.

The Tor-MU anti-aircraft missile system is intended for hitting airplanes, helicopters, unmanned aerial vehicles, guided missiles and other high-precision elements. weaponsflying at medium, low and extremely low altitudes in any meteorological conditions.

This air defense system allows detecting and tracking up to several dozen air targets at a distance of up to 30 km, and is capable of hitting targets 4 simultaneously at altitudes up to 10 km.

Electronic equipment "Tor-MU" allows you to select targets according to the level of danger, "prompting" the order of their shelling to the crew.

Comments

[Canep]

In Russia there is such a variety of air defense systems that I sometimes get confused. Here we are definitely ahead of the rest. For every taste there is from the Shell for ultra-short range to the S-500 for satellites.

[OTAKE]

Quote: Canep

In Russia there is such a variety of air defense systems that I sometimes get confused. Here we are definitely ahead of the rest. For every taste there is from the Shell for ultra-short range to the S-500 for satellites.

S-500 not yet

[Canep]

I think it will be soon

As of August 2011, a preliminary design phase has been completed, and technical design is ongoing. The start of operation and combat duty of the S-500 is scheduled for 2017. The first set of the latest generation S-500 anti-aircraft missile system can enter the Russian troops as early as 2013. [10] [11] [12]

[kalina]

We have only heard about the s-500 at the factories, and the speed of replacing the s-300 with the s-400 allows this to be done only after 200 years, although there are still no new missiles for the s-400 (factory brewer info-box)

[BDRM 667]

Quote: kalina

(info-brewery at the factory)

But in general, the news is encouraging.

[BARKAS]

Quote: kalina

and the speed of replacing s-300 with s-400 allows this to be done only after 200 years

What else is the replacement where such nonsense was heard in your favorite pub?

[kalina]

I was mistaken, yes, after "drinking" the smiley was not set, they were punished right away ... As for the "delirium" - in vain, look not only "urapatriotic" sites

[skeptic-]

Quote: kalina

I was mistaken, yes, after "drinking" the smiley was not set, they were punished right away ... As for the "delirium" - in vain, look not only "urapatriotic" sites

For reference: S-300, S-400, S-500 are made at different factories in Russia, so do not rush to announce that the S-500 is not made.
I warn you in advance that I do not intend to report data. The less you know the better you sleep.

[kalina]

Yes, I’ll only be glad if I’m wrong, but look at WIKI how many s-300s were made in the USSR and how many s-400s in the Russian Federation

[Baboon]

The people that you attacked kalina like that, really, there are serious problems with missiles for the s-400. The S-400 complex was created, but the main thing is the rocket, but there are difficulties with missiles.

[aksakal]

Quote: Babon

but there are difficulties with missiles.

- this circumstance saddens ... Well, it didn't go well with the Bulava for two years, but it flew anyway

[Baboon]

I also believe that the S-400 will be excellent air defense, but so far it is necessary to wait, it is necessary to finalize.

[VAF]

Quote: aksakal

Well, it didn't go well with the Bulava for two years, but it flew anyway

Dear Aksakal, in fact, "Bulava" is being developed (although what to develop there? 75% was the finished project "Bark") since 1998 !!!

Therefore, there was nothing there and could a priori "stick" when .. "boots began to sharpen the pastry" , but seriously, they dispersed Makeev's design bureau and "gave" everything to MIT, which had to do with sea-based missiles like .... a horse to ballet!

Well, about the fact that ... it successfully flew ... although after successful multiple launch rockets the missile is usually taken into service, but .... we will wait ... a bit!

And so .. there will be time, I will write a full article, without embellishment, about the "Bulava" and the history of its creation, though ..... "uryapatriots" will have to shoot themselves .....!

[Anti]

as promised lovi-

[VAF]

Quote: Anti

as promised lovi-

Me on yours ..promised и catch ..with a high bell tower .... us .... t

I AM ..ALL-weather и Unsinkable

[Yarbay]

Quote: vaf

I promised to you .. and catch- from a high bell tower .... us .... t

Dear Sergey!
You have not been seen for a long time, I am very glad to see you and in good health !!!

[VAF]

Quote: Yarbay

Have not seen you for a long time, very glad to see you

Mutually, dear AlikBek, mutually!

Even that "news" (which for some reason is hidden from the public) that the Russian Federation "gave a ride" to your country with the purchase of the MiG-31, Su-27 and MiG-29, although you have something to pay without any "credits"!
Well, it's understandable, "whose rule in the UAC" ....

Can not overshadow our friendship !!!

[Yarbay]

Quote: vaf

Even that "news" (which for some reason is hidden from the public) that the Russian Federation "gave a ride" to your country with the purchase of the MiG-31, Su-27 and MiG-29, although you have something to pay without any "credits"!

To be honest, I have not heard anything about at least negotiations with Russia on this topic over the past two years, there has not been a single article!
For me it was a surprise that there were some negotiations going on!
Now, having heard this news from you, it has become more convincing for me, since the media did not contain any references to officials or any comments !!
Now I have more faith in the fact that on our side they refused to buy any other equipment (tanks, artillery, etc.))) can be seen from this !!
Well, a lot of questions I have!

[VAF]

Quote: Yarbay

Now I have more faith in the fact that on our side they refused to buy any other equipment (tanks, artillery, etc.))) can be seen from this !!

When I heard it myself ... I did not believe it ... honestly, and then when ..... hmm ... there are not only questions, here ...!

After all, they do not cover the fact that the supply from KnA'za Su-30MK2 to Uganda and Indonesia (Volga-Dnepr is flying with might and main) is in full swing, but we are all waiting ... when will the Su-35S ... appear
The only mechanic announced that they are doing everything under the MKI, but about SM ... silence, but ..... our politicians have such politeness!
What is the main thing? Loudly DECLARE and PROMISE and .... right there the "uryapatriots" pick up and rushed .... urya we get up from our knees, we will tear them, but they are all "obos .... fox" and they run to us, etc. ...

You read and think, but you can’t be like that ... like M. Zadornov!

What nafig S-300 in Syria ??? In the best case, they will be (if again in the region of Finland they are not "arrested" like helicopters) in the region of November-December, and they will be stationed on the database by the summer of 2014 (if the personnel have time to retrain)!

But everything is already ... everything was beaten up ... here by the way today the plane of the Jordanian Air Force TCB fell near the Syrian border .. now it’s starting again .. our armor and ..fighting with them ... failed

Just do not write why, the day before yesterday, the Hindus rolled out such a complaint on Osa-M .. until the contract was broken, because. ONE, slow-moving, non-maneuvering target, in the afternoon, in PMU, without interference ... 6 missiles were spent (!!!!!!)!

And you say ... questions ... these are not questions ... these are QUESTIONS !!!! But just to whom ????

[Yarbay]

Quote: vaf

When I heard it myself ... I didn’t believe it ... honestly

I didn’t think about it at all because I didn’t believe that Russia would agree to conduct negotiations on the sale of aircraft at all, because I knew that orders were already overloaded and, most importantly, this would completely change the balance of power in the entire region !!

Quote: vaf

Loudly APPLY and PROMISE

In principle, I think with the right communist organization, things could be done!
In general, yesterday I wrote about this, that I do not believe that there are no smart * goals * in Russia to create a decent UAV in the shortest possible time, but alas, there is no leader in this business, an organizer!

[slvevg]

fuck, if it's true !!!

[Yarbay]

Quote: Anti

as promised lovi-

all the same masochist you Winnie)))))))))))
but I won’t put a minus))
I am worried about your mental state)))

[Anti]

Quote: Yarbay

but I won’t put a minus))

But I won’t refuse.

second for the masochist -

[Ruslan67]

Quote: Anti

second for the masochist -

Third for Alibek For a long time did not drag skulls on a neck? Contact

[VAF]

Quote: Yarbay

I am worried about your mental state

This is a patient Kashchenko, 100%, but ... there are many of them, or rather, to put it more correctly, more than, I would like to .... but such is life!

And besides the "psyche", in my opinion and with the "technique" (specifically with the head) the same ... not everything is normal .... it is required .. "mechanical help, without it ... well, nothing!

[Anti]

There you are, Waf .. how many times did I insult me ​​today?

1.My on your .. promised and catch- .. from a high bell tower .... us .... t

2.This is a patient Kashchenko, 100%

3. And besides the "psyche", in my opinion and with the "technique" (specifically with the head)

I only fulfilled my promise on May 9, and so what? So it was necessary to react? To faint for minus to fall?

[Yarbay]

Quote: Anti

There you are, Waf .. how many times did I insult me ​​today?

Come on, Winnie is offended!
Dear Sergey, he wrote all this loving !!)))
Yes, you dawn this ax of war !!))))
sit, listen, drink from a faceted glass, sing a song!
life is Beautiful!!!)))

[Anti]

yes there is no war, everything is normal, I am honestly glad that there is this site that you are, my "enemies" And you can't drink tomorrow at the plant

[Apollo]

Quote: Anti

to factory

ball-bearing, right, all the same, my memory didn’t let me down ?!

[Ruslan67]

Quote: Apollon

ball-bearing, right, all the same, my memory didn’t let me down ?!

Your mother failed! Fence construction

[Yarbay]

Quote: Anti

you, my "enemies"

Yes, you are not my enemy!
You made a big mistake, I forgave you!
But your actions for me to put it mildly unacceptable as a person!
in principle, you live with them!

[Anti]

Quote: Yarbay

Quote: Anti

you, my "enemies"

You made a big mistake, I forgave you!

but now you are the first on my black list, all the same you got your way

[fortunophile]

Quote: Anti

yes there is no war, everything is normal, I am honestly glad that there is this site that you are, my "enemies" And you can't drink tomorrow at the plant

It’s ridiculous to read ... Here is megalomania, the bug is loudly glad that he has enemies from real people The clinic, however. Then what a war, I don’t know how others, but I don’t declare war on insects, I just crush everything

[Anti]

Quote: fortuneophile

but I don’t declare war on insects, I just crush everything

do not break the crush with ... Zavskladovskaya

[Anti]

Quote: fortuneophile

not get dirty in the process of pressure

are you afraid to get dirty?

[Anti]

Quote: fortuneophile

"don't touch it ... it doesn't smell." I answered in an accessible way?

you are right, the warehouse manager, I will not "touch" you or you.
admin can immediately dunk ban, eternal, on the drum.
Yes, by the way, the Turks are normal people here. not that you ....

[Anti]

Quote: fortuneophile

Turks and your love for them have long been known, so the details of your personal life on this site are unlikely to be of interest to anyone

Listen boy, my life is landing gear and flaps.
and goes, slowly, to the last turn ... and people like you are a trifle, you and your girlfriend Ramanova Shura are better than a shawl that protects you so eagerly and showers me with warnings. Go away ...

[Apollo]

Quote: fortuneophile

Damn, I think why did he pester me

Quote: Anti

Listen boy

I appeal to both visitors and recall the topic of the thread is not personal relationships but completely different.

[VAF]

Quote: Apollon

the topic of the thread is not personal relationships, but a completely different one.

Dear Apollo, can I play hockey?

Although Fortunofil is right ABSOLUTELY!

The match for 3rd place has just ended, Amer won on the bullets!

In the evening the Swiss will "tear" the Swedes and in general ..... "have sailed"!

Well, the fact that Amer won there is no question at all, but here are the Swiss ?????

I’m silent about ours generally .....

[Ruslan67]

Quote: Yarbay

drink from a faceted glass, sing a song!

Well, of course, he will drink from a crystal glass and sing a happy hell.

[mazdie]

I apologize for the interference, but it really became interesting to me. And what is the problem with our air defense systems? What does not suit the same c300?

[Ruslan67]

Quote: Anti

as promised lovi-

Can't you calm down the disease? catch ischo

[PLO]

Sergey, hello.

by chance you don’t know where the last Su-34 went and in general where the rest of the planes of this year will go? as I understand it in Baltimore, the 3rd Su-34 squadron will not be formed, but the upgraded Su-24s will leave

[VAF]

Quote: olp

by chance you don’t know where the extreme Su-34 went

Hi Oleg! In the course, of course (now Tartary will "come running" and again start throwing "tomatoes", that I again filmed everything from the balcony and "divulge" the state secret)!

The 21st car, under a contract with the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, the Su-34 aircraft, with on-board No. 34, left, as planned in the GLITS, and the next one would go there ... since ... well, in general it’s necessary!

These are two cars not completed by NAZ according to the 2012 plan.

As for the rest (the next 10-12) machines, the info is still "stamped", one thing I can say is that the Su-24M will go to Gvardeyskoye and Chernyakhovsk.
The plans for the rearmament of the former Jidintsy are only in 2013-1015.
In Voronezh, on the Su-24M (bombers) now fly extremely rarely, mainly the Su-24MR!

[PLO]

Well, if you need to GLITs, then I'm only glad)

and about the rest .. then we'll wait a bit

generally thanks for the answer

[VAF]

Quote: vaf

75% was the finished project "Bark") since 1998 !!!

Is it that on the site as many as 6 people do not know where the Bulava project was "born" ???? (two: 3-volt and Anti do not take into account) ....

So what are you gentlemen then doing on a military site ???

Are you working on Uryazakazy?

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: vaf

Are you working on Uryazakazy?

Hello Sergey.
I really thought you took Yesaul's article too seriously. A few days went to the site but not a single comment.
But I see everything is normal, then it was wrong.
At that time, a missile like the Bark could not be fired for political reasons, it could seriously threaten the Americans. And so, and there is no rocket, and there is a reason to cut the "Sharks".

Quote: vaf

then they dispersed Makeev's design bureau and "gave" everything to MIT

Maybe that's why they dispersed that this design bureau could create "Bark".

[VAF]

Quote: saturn.mmm

I thought you took Yesaul's article too seriously.

Good evening, Michael!
Well, to say that I didn’t perceive it. It was a “twist” with my soul .... 2This political prostitute has gotten to it “tightly ... and not so OH himself as his“ pack ”.
Oh well, whoever remembers the old, that eye is gone, while whoever forgot the old, that ... both down !!!
That is why in a political article about the Communists, it is not heard and not seen ... because he knows that if he "comes out", he will shove it off ... in full ...
After all, this is an "ideological communist" who graduated from the specialized school of the Epishev DVVPU by vocation, studied specifically on the ideas of Marxism-Leninism and the preaching of the idea of ​​communism, and then once ... he changed his shoes ... especially his sycophants, I have known him for a long time , he's so white and fluffy and so on.
I immediately said and I tell everyone who did not hear and did not read, it is a POLITICAL PROSTITUTE !!!

Well, and according to "Bark" you write everything correctly, only the people do not want to know it .. they would have done everything ... "smoke!"

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: vaf

Well, to say that I didn’t perceive it. It was a “twist” with my soul .... 2This political prostitute has gotten to it “tightly ... and not so OH himself as his“ pack ”.

Honestly my article caused a smile, the essence of the article:
-On the site there is one bad uncle, he speaks poorly about our rearmament and let's say friendly to him fu .....
Well, for a long time the man worked in propaganda, what can you do.
Daughter adjusted the picture to cheer up.

[Ruslan67]

Quote: vaf

is a POLITICAL PROSTITUTE !!!

Sergei! prostitutes like sturgeon do not have a second freshness

Quote: vaf

... especially his sneaks -

And what seasonings do not fertilize it, the essence will not change

[Yarbay]

Quote: Ruslan67

Sergei! prostitutes like sturgeon do not have a second freshness

Ruslan, these words are a masterpiece)))))
Now I have something to say to one sturgeon)))))))))

[Botanologist]

Quote: Ruslan67

prostitutes like sturgeon do not have a second freshness

Alas, there are. As our sergeant said, "you can see the asphalt through your mouth."

[Army1]

http://ria.ru/arms_news/20120628/687250921.html
Maybe it’s coming.

[Don]

Quote: kalina

and the speed of replacing s-300 with s-400 allows this to be done only after 200 years,

Firstly, no one is going to replace the S-300, and secondly, do not compose about 200 years.

Quote: kalina

although there are still no new missiles for the s-400

40N6E in trials.

[Nick]

Quote: OTAKE

S-500 not yet

There is in development, it will be in hardware ...

[Suhov]

Quote: Canep

In Russia, this diversity SAM, which I sometimes get confused. Here we are definitely ahead of the rest.

Merit of Nikita Sergeevich (rockets instead of guns).
There is no silver lining!

[Airman]

Quote: Canep

In Russia there is such a variety of air defense systems that I sometimes get confused. Here we are definitely ahead of the rest. For every taste there is from the Shell for ultra-short range to the S-500 for satellites.

In the USSR there were more air defense systems both by name and quantity. There used to be a country air defense system, and now it is an air defense system. It’s good that at least something appears and they shoot at the firing range.

[Suhov]

Quote: Canep

from Shell for ultra-short range to S-500 for satellites.

That's for sure:
In the new year highest goals decided to reach the air defense forces!

[Army1]

Still, all medium- and short-range missiles with high-precision non-nuclear separable warheads should be returned (secretly) with technologies like the Iskander to keep all NATO bases on the target.

[VAF]

Quote: Canep

In Russia, such a variety

Namesake, welcome! Especially for you!!!!! And then there will be no time, and that's not the point!

It's just that you are such a "srach" arranged by Profesoor about ... "future failures of the amerovsky UAV landing", that .... sorry for the comparison, but at 3 volts you become similar ... although that "catch up" ... yeah ... one yesterday's "bomb with a motor" what is it worth ..... but there are 6 more of the same "plusovalschikov" like him .... where are we "rolling" on the site ???

Admins, I beg your pardon, that not a lot of things are wrong, although ..... maybe just on the topic, our air defense system, and the UAV .... "probable enemy" !!!

So: on May 17, the prototype of the deck strike UAV X-47B for the first time successfully completed landings with a run on the deck, with the hook not released.
The next stage is the hook!

"URYAPATRIOTOV" I ask you not to bother .... not "fotozhaba", but a real "PHOTOFACT"!

[bask]

Greetings Vaf For a long time did not appear on the site.
The question is, what kind of SAM, can we intercept missiles from the United States in hypersound.
"" The US has successfully tested the X-51A Waverider hypersonic missile. On May 3, the official website of the country's Air Force reports. Tests in the Pacific Ocean were carried out on May 1. The rocket was launched from a B-52 aircraft at an altitude of 15200 meters and then with the help of an accelerator rose to an altitude of 18200 meters. During the flight, which lasted for six minutes, the X-51A Waverider developed a speed of 5,1 Mach (6100 km / h). Having flown a distance of 426 kilometers, the rocket "" [media = http: //vpk.name/news/89205_ssha_uspeshno_ispyitali_giperzvuko
vuyu_raketu.html]

[VAF]

Quote: bask

Welcome

Greetings to Bask!

Quote: bask

For a long time did not appear on the site.

Was busy, and even without me ... there are so many "commentators" and such ... one 3-volt is worth ... though I'm still waiting for a "great master of the wood-mining industry" with statements, and even .. " nose "with a" wooden economic education "... but oh well ... appear!

Quote: bask

and which SAMs, we can intercept missiles from the United States in hypersound.

Here the question is not much, not "on salary", and there are a lot of air defense specialists ... they will explain more specifically, but at the moment ..... none!

All these "uryaprospekty" have nothing under them at the moment, only promises!

It's like with Syria ..... there is nothing, but there is already, and all of a sudden ... "zatsatali"!

[bask]

Quote: vaf

wood industry experts "with statements

squad and his team.

Quote: vaf

nomic education "... but oh well ... to appear!

And immediately stinks.
Thanks for the reply.

[VAF]

Quote: bask

squad and his team.

So already "one" has appeared ... Anti ..... "hold, he says", but what to hold, whom to hold ..... maybe brains that flow from a leaky head, so they weren't there a priori .. .one sawdust!

Laughter, and more!

And he is not afraid ... under the "tank to hit"

[Anti]

WHAT DOES THE TANKS ALSO HAVE IN EQUESTRIAN AVIATION? PICTURE DOES NOT PASS

[crocodile25]

Quote: bask

bask

If you want to talk, bezbozar, right now, I’ll throw you the address off the clave as I’m not used to it.

[bask]

Quote: krokodil25

want to bezbozara come on right now I’ll throw off your address on the clave

I’ll answer for my bazaar.
throw a crocodile in a personal, don’t .. draw on the site.

[Rider]

Quote: vaf

at the present moment ..... none!

maybe I'm wrong, but maybe - A-135 Cupid will do?

Weight - 9693 kg
Fuel weight - 7625 kg
Weight of MS - 500-700 kg (estimated)
Warhead mass - 150 kg (estimated)

Range:
- 80-100 km
- 20.8 km (range launches 53T6)
Damage height:
- 5000-30000 m
- 14000 m (range launches 53T6)
Speed:
- 10-14 M (according to one data)
- 5200-5500 m / s (according to other data)
- 4000 m / s (according to other data)
- up to 3600 m / s (source - Russian Shield)
Rate of climb - 30000 m height per 5-6 s
Acceleration to maximum speed - 3-4 s (according to various sources)
The exit time from the mine from the moment of launch is 0.2-0.4 s
Maximum overloads:
- 210G longitudinal
- 90 G transverse
Missile deflection angle after launch - up to 70 degrees

[Professor]

I apologize for interfering, but the landing is not reported anywhere. They talk about "approaching" and "touching the deck" and "full run". I suspect we'll see the landing soon.
ATLANTIC OCEAN - MAY 17: In this image provided by the US Navy, an X-47B unmanned combat air system (UCAS) demonstrator performs a touch and go landing May 17, 2013 on the flight deck of the aircraft carrier USS George HW Bush ( CVN 77) in the Atlantic Ocean. This is the first time any unmanned aircraft has completed a touch and go landing at sea. George HW Bush is conducting training operations in the Atlantic Ocean. (Photo by Mass Communication Specialist 2nd Class Timothy Walter / US Navy via Getty Images)

[VAF]

Quote: professor

I apologize for interfering

Greetings Professor! The remark is accepted, of course, the term landing without a hook, you need to replace the touch, without a hook, a run along the deck and a second take-off, but .......!
After all, both you and I understand perfectly well that this is practically a LANDING ... without any "stretch"!

Especially in the photo and film, everything is perfectly visible!

I just remembered "that srach" who arranged the SMaper, so I decided to post the news!

And the fact that the landing is complete, with taxiing and turning off the engines the other day, I have no doubt!

[Professor]

Good day to you too. It is always pleasant to communicate with a specialist (although I do not always agree). You are absolutely right, yesterday a full landing was just a matter of deciding to complete it. technically, the UAV has already boarded the Bush. I am glad for the American engineers and not because they are American, but for the historical event we have witnessed.

[VAF]

Quote: professor

It is always pleasant to communicate with a specialist (although I do not always agree).

Dear Professor, well, here it would just be ... "inappropriate" or something (as to put it - "stupid" .. this is in no way) if you and I agreed in EVERYTHING!
It would be just some kind of idyll .... but in fact only in a DISPUTE, namely in a DISPUTE (which is supported by knowledge, experience of use and operation, study of technical documentation, and not "pedigree", etc.), and not SHARE (including national and other aspects) the truth is born!

I argue with Pupyrchaty very often, but it gives me real pleasure, as well as communication and disputes with you!

By the way, read the news, did the F-35 complete large angle tests?
And the report is really impressive, because there was not a single breakdown in a corkscrew, at any angle (and with pendants, and without and with open shutters r \ o)!
Although I myself do not really treat the Penguin, but ... a fact is a fact!

[Professor]

What surprises you? In the USSR, they always knew how to make a glider. If avionics had also been taught, then the prices would not have been for these aircraft.

[crocodile25]

VAF

Again they came to ruin the whole picture, do you understand the drone, but the 35th did it!

[VAF]

Quote: krokodil25

Again they came to ruin the whole picture, do you understand the drone, but the 35th did it!

Gennady, after your yesterday's "support" of 3 volts at the expense of a bomb with a motor .. very much at you .. "angry", honestly!

It is clear that the No. x volt and ..pants with a propeller, like Carlson's, but ..you then ...... ???? In general, the question so far!

About the 35th topic, everything is very beautiful. The professor replied ... a really BEAUTIFUL answer ... I won’t repeat it ... read carefully the comment above!

And about the UAV .... I would be very surprised if he did not sit down? After all, we are not surprised, but we admire the fact that in our Buran we went in and sat down like a native and still .... as they say at the dawn of the Soviet regime, so why doesn’t he sit down with the Amers?

Now we are waiting for the news, when the Chinese begins something like that "get up" and, surprisingly, it will start!

And we have? And here, like in the movie "Some old men go to battle" - "..... eats a lot of hay, devil horned .... where are you going ... leave the hay"!

[crocodile25]

Quote: vaf

after your yesterday's "support" of 3 volts at the expense of a bomb with a motor .. very much at you .. "angry", honestly!

At the expense of which bomb, at least remind the article, but about the professor, if I understood correctly 141 it is not a fact that it is he.

[VAF]

Quote: krokodil25

What bomb, at least recall the article,

Well, well .... yesterday's article about the transfer of the Polygon and an article about the use of the Su-34, where a 3-volt ..... "moron" talks about a bomb with a motor, which .... 5 meters, and then the bang explodes
And you are among the 6 "plus" there is the very first

How shoud I understand this? The police officer gave the command ... "to keep afloat" ???

[crocodile25]

Quote: vaf

How shoud I understand this? The police officer gave the command ... "to keep afloat"

Well so there they said that the bomb goes 5 meters away. I also liked how it exploded. What’s the matter? If it’s 3-volt, then what are the advantages?

[mogus]

watched the "polygon". indeed, a gunpowder bomb was dropped from the Su-34. After the drop, the parachute is released, the speed is reduced and the angle to the ground is set. He drops the parachute, turns on the powder engines for a few seconds, acceleration. Enters the ground for 5 meters. Explosion delay up to 20 seconds. It breaks through five floors of a panel house.

[VAF]

Quote: mogus

watched "polygon"

I answered you in a personal detail, briefly repeat here.

1. BETAB-500Sh (assault) with TU and gunpowder ACCELERATOR (!!!!)

2. With the release of TP, the speed does not decrease, but the translational motion is slowed down in order to give the air bomb a maximum angle of encounter with the obstacle.

3. An idle free-falling bomb BETAB-500U "enters" the ground for 3 or more meters, depending on the density, and you say that a bomb with a powder accelerator and a special nose pin enters the ground for 5 meters ???? ?
It is clear that according to the correspondent, the same as the 3-volt, but think with your own head?

4. Slowdown can be any, depending on the type of fuse from 0 to 72 hours!

5. Punches not 5 but nine floors, this time ... now count how many concrete slabs and what it punch, put everything together, measure the thickness and you will understand that breaking through 5 meters of soil is ...... well, very few.

5 meters is the diameter of the funnel from an air bomb explosion!

So ... if briefly!

[Yarbay]

Quote: vaf

It is clear that at No. x volt and ..pants with a propeller

Everything is much worse)))))))
dear Gleb just exposed in another topic volta))))))
The smoker turned out to be a bot))))))

[Aaron Zawi]

And, in your opinion, the Americans do not overexpose the car? Yes, and an attempt to make F-35 an analogue of a destroyer, when it is a clean drummer, it seems to me not quite logical. Are Americans really ready to use it as an exterminator?

[VAF]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

And, in your opinion, the Americans do not overexpose the car?

Dear Aron, I understand that your question is addressed to me? Then I’ll answer, but if not ... then anyway .. I’ll answer (here .. scam )
but we will not further develop the topic, because all the same, the conversation in the article for the air defense complex!

I think not, especially since a new machine is being created for new tasks!
For example, a photo ... here on what goes in the right bearing on the layout (half-natural) I was back in 1982 (right after the Syrian "business trip"), but when it was put into mass production. Yes, and with what problems, you have already read on the site more than once.
So what about overexposure .... not for me to judge. But in my opinion the Amerpians are doing everything according to plan ... the truth is in what way and with what problems ... that's another question.

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Yes, and an attempt to make F-35 an analogue of a destroyer, when it is a clean drummer, it seems to me not quite logical

Here I largely agree with you, but this trend towards multifunctionality is bearing fruit, although as a striker ... the same question, because it should be an aircraft complex, avionics, weapons, and what kind of striker with two bombs and two rockets "in-in".

I am tracking this aircraft, there are many materials and photos with various suspensions, including serious missiles of the "VZ" class .... so let's see.

The most important thing is that this does not affect the combat readiness of the Air Force of the Secondary Military School, because There is a modernization (and it must be said very successful) of the entire fleet of fighter and bomber aircraft) without reducing the number and quantity of combat readiness!

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Are Americans really ready to use it as an exterminator?

Why not? After all, those limitations (strength) have already gone away, and it is not difficult to hang on it "in-in" missiles of all ranges, and there are great doubts about the conduct of highly maneuverable close air combat in modern conflicts!

And the plane began to fly really .. well !!!

[VAF]

Quote: vaf

For an example photo.

Not a single photo was attached ... I will try again directly in the text, read and look at the photo!

[Aaron Zawi]

Many thanks from the "gray" sergeant of the engineering troops. Let me say that because of the comments that you and a few other participants write, I will not leave this forum.
There was, after all, "Voennoye Obozreniye", but it turns into a supplement to the newspaper "Kolokol".

[alex86]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

turns into an appendix to the Kolokol newspaper

not being a strong connoisseur, rather "Yesterday" and "Tomorrow" ...
In general, it’s very sad when the site, conceived (correct, if I’m mistaken) as a platform for informing and discussing military topics, turned into a very large share in a platform for expressing extremist nonsense of various etiologies ...

[Rider]

Quote: vaf

The most important thing is that this does not affect the combat readiness of the Air Force of the Secondary Military School, because There is a modernization without reducing the number and quantity of combat readiness!

maybe you didn’t know:According to internal documents at the disposal of the Air Force Times, from April 9, 2013, the US Air Force will begin to withdraw advanced combat units to the reserve, due to cuts and the need to adapt to budget cuts.
The order to remove from flight will affect 17 squadrons belonging to various Air Force units.

taken:http://oko-planet.su/politik/politikarm/179112-voenno-vozdushnyh-sil-ssha-kakimi
-my-ih-knaem-bolshe-ne-suschestvuet.html

[VAF]

Quote: Rider

maybe you didn’t know:

No, dear, you are mistaken! Of course, I knew that topic on the site a month ago, we discussed in great detail!

My opinion is, if very briefly, that this is "ordinary noodles" about "white and prushy amers" and nothing more!

[Rider]

Quote: vaf

My opinion is, if very short,

somehow you vaguely happened.
what does "white and fluffy" have to do with it?

the question is whether they cut it or not.

yusё rest - from the evil one.

[VAF]

Quote: Rider

somehow you vaguely happened.

I think it's normal!

Everything goes as it should (for them, of course):
1. everything is tested.
2. Everything is being upgraded.
3. Everything is produced.
4. pull Obama for one thing.
5. Before the world community show. what they say are concerned and take measures to stabilize the Fed and reduce the deficit

well, people "hawala" and rejoices on the site, oh what we are ..... and so on, but the fact that they have a printing press and EVERYTHING we have, I emphasize EVERYTHING we sell for the same candy wrappers. .. why no one, well, except for adults, does not want to think .... the main thing is that ... it's time to shout ... "urya get up off our knees!"
But the head "turn on" ... it turns out ... a problem!

So see?

[Rider]

Quote: vaf

So see?

Chegozh here incomprehensible,
just recently infa about their aircraft carriers slipped (like also a joke, but not all and not immediately)
yes, probably they are lying.
Well, the fact that we are buying everything from them for dollars, so forgive me, from THEM, we don’t have much to buy (take a look at commodity circulation), and there are progress on the dollar. with the same China.
Well, and so, yes, everything is sad, everything is sawn down, it is shredded.
and we all die (last - 100%)

[Army1]

But we had Buran, I hope that the developments will be applied in the new PPTS.

[djon3volta]

Quote: vaf

URYapatriotov "please do not bother.

Oh, the Omeri-gi patriot drew himself, watch how others praise the glands

[VAF]

Quote: vaf

not "fotozhaba", but a real "FILM-FACT"!

[Professor]

vaf You are wrong. You can't be so cruel, this is a single-celled blow below the belt. Now urapatriots nervously smoke on the sidelines and re-read the tales about "how the Iranians landed an American drone."

[crocodile25]

Quote: professor

reread the tales of "how the Iranians landed an American drone."

The Iranians landed your aircraft, so look, your iskander will land soon. Don’t miss this show, although I think you won’t be able to miss

[Professor]

Quote: krokodil25

The Iranians landed your aircraft, so look, your iskander will land soon. Don’t miss this show, although I think you won’t be able to miss

Another storyteller appeared.

[crocodile25]

Quote: professor

Another storyteller appeared

The storyteller is you, talking about the invincibility of the Merkava, pray that Iskanler does not appear in Syria otherwise you pi ...

[Professor]

I thought the article was about air defense, but it turns out about Merkava.

Quote: krokodil25

pray that Iskanler does not appear in Syria otherwise you pi ...

Iskanлep of course a serious weapon, but it doesn’t solve anything, the mass of its warhead is less than half a ton. One F-16 carries a dozen of these. So scare me right away.

[crocodile25]

Quote: professor

So scare me right away.

I don’t scare you, but I warn you, and on the poplar count I have spoken out repeatedly there’s no wet place left from you, and the iskanders can be equipped with nuclear warheads, then your iron dome will be covered with a copper basin

[Professor]

Quote: krokodil25

Iskander can be equipped with nuclear warheads, then your iron dome will be covered with a copper basin

Well, they would have immediately threatened with nuclear weapons. Now the degree of your adulthood is clear to me. Good night, children.

[Komsomolets]

krokodil25 And you and the Syrians of Jews are going to throw what caps?

[crocodile25]

Quote: Komsomolets

krokodil25 And you and the Syrians of Jews are going to throw what caps?

What kind of need and we will shower!

[Army1]

Of course, I’m not a fan of science fiction, like: the United States is occupying Russia and we will be partisans and not URYAPATRIOT, but the situation with arms supplies to Syria, you see, is not beneficial for Israel. After all, the same with 300 has the ability to work on ground targets, and the bastion? who knows who knows.....

[Anti]

Quote: professor

Now urapatrioty nervously smoke on the sidelines and reread tales

All the amers were leaked in the 90s; they themselves would not have come to that; in the USSR, in the series were already in 1974 - BP-2 Swift ..

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: professor

Now urapatriots nervously smoke on the sidelines and reread the tales about "how the Iranians landed an American drone."

By the way, there is a version that the Chinese were able to obtain, through espionage, material related to American UAVs and therefore very, well (very judging by the new aircraft) advanced Iranians managed to land UAVs.

[Professor]

SW Mikhail, it’s not the first day here, but in such a believe ... Already 100 times he explained why this is impossible.

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: professor

SW Mikhail, it’s not the first day here, but in such a believe ... Already 100 times he explained why this is impossible.

Yes, I do not say, but something Americans took root on the Chinese
China Cyberspies Outwit US Stealing Vital Military Secrets
By Michael Riley and Ben Elgin / Bloomberg News
Published: May 05. 2013 4:00 AM PST
, and the fact that the Iranians themselves planted, I do not even consider this version.

[Rider]

Quote: professor

vaf and reread the tales of "how the Iranians landed an American drone"

uh ... I'm wildly sorry, but wasn’t that?

[Professor]

Quote: Rider

I'm wildly sorry, but wasn’t that?

No need to apologize, this was not - he fell. And neither the Persians nor the Chinese planted him.
Scandalous UAV RQ-170 still flying

[Rider]

Quote: professor

this was not - he fell

can and so prof.


HOWEVER !

Do not tell me the working height of the UAV?
I'm definitely not in the know. but I think at least 4km will be.
just imagine that he was screwed up from such a height.
there are enough pictures of the planes that fell and scattered into the trash on the network.
the case would certainly be like chewed socks.
Well, not from armored steel is he.

and the fact that Iranian warriors take a lot on themselves is a no brainer.
they said that they had already filled up 6 drones, and only one was presented, the same one.

here we write it on their account.

[Professor]

Quote: Rider

just imagine that he was screwed up from such a height.

This is if he welled up with a stone from such a height, and the fact that he welled up is beyond doubt. Take a close look at how the Iranians glued it together, podrechtovali and repainted (with painting in general circus) and hid its lower part. They clearly hide the "soft landing".

[Rider]

Quote: professor

You carefully look at how the Iranians glued it,

Well, it’s absolutely clear that he was not on his own feet ... uh, got on wheels.

it is clear that the landing was hard, but to say that "he himself fell" is silly.

if he fell on his own from such a height, then it was possible to demonstrate only frayed fragments.

version with control interception - more than real.

[Professor]

Quote: Rider

if he fell on his own from such a height, then it was possible to demonstrate only frayed fragments.

He ran out of fuel, lost altitude and landed hard to the delight of the Iranians. Neither before nor after them did such a fortune roll over.

Quote: Rider

version with control interception - more than real.

No, not real. Forgive me, but I have already explained here 100 times why this is almost impossible to do. I even wanted to write an article about this, but there is no time.

[Rider]

Quote: professor

He ran out of fuel, lost altitude and landed hard to the delight of the Iranians.

aren't you funny yourself?

AND WHERE HIS OPERATORS WERE AT THIS TIME?

hamburgers ate?

with what fright the Yankees "please" the Persians.

Quote: professor

No, not real.

as well as "I fell myself"

[Professor]

Quote: Rider

AND WHERE HIS OPERATORS WERE AT THIS TIME?

Operators in classmates sat while the drone had a failure.

Quote: Rider

with what fright the Yankees "please" the Persians.

I’m not saying that the Americans put him there, he himself fell.

as well as "I fell myself"

It's like your computer itself can die once and for all, but neither you nor anyone else could hack Skype on your computer on anyone else. Talk about taking control or even jamming this UAV causes a smile among specialists.

[Rider]

sorry, but this is ridiculous.

Quote: professor

Talk about taking control or even jamming this UAV causes a smile among specialists.

yes, and the fact that the UAV had unencrypted information channels through which data was downloaded not only by the owners of the drones, probably also caused a grin
(for the time being)

[Professor]

Not encrypted channels for transmitting video information, but not control commands. And then it was not with the most modern reconnaissance drone. The Iranians found governing protocols in Google?
The discussion of this topic here and now is ending. I wish Iran success in their hard work of fooling urapatriots with invisible planes, reconnaissance equipment and other achievements of the Islamic revolution.

[crocodile25]

Quote: vaf

not "fotozhaba", but a real "FILM-FACT"!

Cinema fact made in Hollywood, we know how they landed on the moon, and here something similar

[VAF]

Quote: krokodil25

Cinema fact made in Hollywood, we know how they landed on the moon, and here something similar

Well, it’s you very much in vain ..... to remember the Twice Hero of the Soviet Union, the cosmonaut Leonov the same ... "passed" ?????

Who then is for you ... authority ??? In military affairs ????
In principle, you can not answer ... I guess right away , immediately senses the "school" ... "the great bastard in the toilets" ....

Well, you can’t do that .. honestly!

But all the Great People and commanders have been saying all their lives that future generations would fulfill their orders:

1. He studies military affairs in the present way.

2. In order to successfully beat the enemy, you need to know him all the way to the language.

3. Do not consider the enemy worse than yourself!

Well, about the Iskander ... then it's better to just give them right away ... to "give" them to the Israelis, anyway they will have

[crocodile25]

Quote: vaf

Well, about the Iskander ... then it's better to just give them right away ... to "give" them to the Israelis, anyway they will have

And you, I look with the professor, the Iskander made friends, they decided to give them back; if the Iskanders appear in Syria, then our specialists will protect them.

[VAF]

Quote: krokodil25

And you I look with the professor became friends

What does it mean to make friends or not to make friends, though .... with people like Professor and Pupyrchaty would be really glad to get acquainted not on the Internet

Quote: krokodil25

Iskander decided to give them

Gennady, I already once wrote that I "was on a business trip" there in the period from 1980 to 1982 and from my "experience" I know what it is ... their army and aviation, so tell me about what they are " warriors "... don't!

Quote: krokodil25

if the iskanders appear in Syria, then our specialists will guard them.

In the best case, closers engineers, one advisor for the service, and of the specialists .... a couple of "people" with tummies and a secretary and translator for each (the same female) and will be paid by the advisers

So it was and will be, because SYSTEM does not change !!!

No offense, but ...

[crocodile25]

Quote: vaf

In the best case, closers engineers, one advisor for the service, and of the specialists .... a couple of "people" with tummies and a secretary and translator for each (the same female) and will be paid by the advisers

I don’t need to talk about specialists with tummies, I’m not a moron of the last category either

[VAF]

Quote: krokodil25

I don’t need to talk about specialists with tummies, I’m not a moron of the last category either

Gennady, you see how everything is simply "revealed" ... it is immediately clear that you are on such "business trips" as Syria, Angola, Ethiopia, Yemen have never been and you do not know what is there and how.

About "specialists with tummies" I did not mean the guys from the Special Forces, which there were not just a few, but BITS, but about the guys .. "from the next doorway!" Well, or from the Office ... whatever you want to call it!

[crocodile25]

Quote: vaf

Gennady, you see how everything is simply "revealed" ... it is immediately clear that you are on such "business trips" as Syria, Angola, Ethiopia, Yemen have never been and you do not know what is there and how.

About "specialists with tummies" I did not mean the guys from the Special Forces, which there were not just a few, but BITS, but about the guys .. "from the next doorway!" Well, or from the Office ... whatever you want to call it!

What is revealed? Personally, I know the men from VIMPELA how they worked, well, of course, in general terms, as they say. Well, Sergey, good night, otherwise I went to the fourth hour of the night

[VAF]

Quote: krokodil25

What is revealed?

What is being revealed ... is that you, you .. "not in business"!

And what does the Sabotage and Reconnaissance Unit have to do with the tasks you are talking about!
I am also familiar with so many guys from Vympel, so what's next?
The topic is not about that!
Well, I’ve got distracted by hockey! OK good night!

[crocodile25]

Quote: vaf

.ihnyaya army and aviation, so tell me about what they are "warriors" ... no need!

And I do not need to tell who is who, our specialists, I know if they have to meet with them I do not envy them!

[VAF]

Quote: krokodil25

And I don’t have to tell who is who, our specialists, I know if they have to meet them I don’t envy them

So I don't "tell" you or you for the SPECIAL FORCES ... read the above comments more attentively, but the SPETSNAZ of a potential enemy should not be underestimated!
Cape envy never led to good !!!

[Rider]

Quote: vaf

I already once wrote that I "was on a business trip" there in the period from 1980 to 1982 ...... At best, the closers engineers, one advisor in the service, and from the specialists .... a couple of "human "with tummies and to each a secretary and an interpreter (the same female) and will be paid by the advisers

I don’t want to offend, but it’s you who happen to be not about yourself?
but it’s somehow strange,
you were there, and you probably won’t say anything bad about yourself.
but those who come then they are with tummies and with ... uh secretaries.
here I am a sinful thing and thought
especially since

So it was and will be, because SYSTEM does not change !!!

and I do not really understand the thesis

Well, about the Iskander ... then it's better to just give them right away ... to "give" them to the Israelis, anyway they will have

(from answer above)

You suggest that you don’t pass anything at all.

(I do not doubt the capabilities of the Israeli special forces)

so can immediately raise the legs?
and Siberia to give a bunch of Chinese.
and that there are still more of them, and without nuclear weapons we won’t stop them.

[VAF]

Quote: Rider

I don’t want to offend, but it’s you who happen to be not about yourself?

You are wrong, there can be no pilot ... "a man from the office", this is one time, but for the rest ... everything is very simple - "the currency salary of the advisor is 2000 Baku", on hand (this is figuratively, part of the book in the Union at the rate) 800 greens, and the rest ... but the rest are exactly where I said.

To understand, I repeat again. You have to be there and see everything with your own eyes, then there will be no questions.

The database is strictly out of order, from 09.00 with two breaks for prayer. The end of the database is at 17.00, Saturday at 15.30, Sunday is a day off (the men and I wound up in Beirut or in Haifa)
Every soldier has a shop, and an officer has a shop and .... in the coffin onga saw all of our Soviet Charters and Readiness .. You need it, you are sitting!
Aviation does not fly at night .... Nizya .. Allah does not order!

Now it’s clear why the Israeli Air Force flies in Syria, like at home?

And you here on the site "smashed" ... yes we have them, yes the S-300, but at least 700 or 800 ... in the hands of a Syrian is .. a piece of iron no more!

Teperb about the paws to the top:

Have you ever thought about the "sudden" decision on the most urgent preparation and transfer to gas of all vehicles, including personal ones ???
Official motivation not to offer ... these are "noodles" for the Uryapatriots!
So think ... the answer is right on the surface.
And for Siberia ... they won’t take everything ... it’s cold there, but the southern part and the Far East and so on ... practically ... Chinese!

[Rider]

too waf

if you are a pilot, then all questions are removed.

the "fighting efficiency" of the Arabs and Persians is also not of high opinion (although the Syrians are much better)

Well, about gas, this is an open secret.

But about Siberia, this is from what kind of alignment?

And you here on the site "smashed" ... yes we have them, yes the S-300, but at least 700 or 800 ... in the hands of a Syrian is .. a piece of iron no more!

PERSONALLY, I NEVER said such a thing, and did not breed anything.
be more precise.


and by the way, if WE are urapatriots, then YOU (it turns out) are uraporazhtsy?
I don’t understand what; a pessimist is an informed optimist.
but still (desirable) to be a little more restrained.

[Anti]

Quote: vaf

Have you ever thought about the "sudden" decision on the most urgent preparation and transfer to gas of all vehicles, including personal ones ???

1. Preservation of oil fields for future generations.
2. It is reasonable to equip a vehicle with the ability to move on gas, especially a military one. (Reserve tanks)
3. Reduction of deliveries abroad (policy)
4. Temporary loss of oil fields abroad.
5.Ecology full bullshit.
Which is closer?

[Rider]

Quote: Anti

excuse me, but you have to be a little logical
(I understand that we are, as it were, on the same positions)
but still.
1. and gas re-preservation? - illogical
2. Especially not funny about the military, he explodes.
there are no objections to the rest.
but still (I think) it’s just redress to the gas oligarchs.
just recently, Belarusians were planted on gas.

Alas, no one has canceled business yet.
Alas again.

[Anti]

Quote: Rider

especially not funny about the military, he explodes.

and traditional fuel is explosive, no less, but there is an alternative

Quote: Rider

Alas, no one has canceled business yet.

business does not happen without politics

Quote: Rider

but still (I think) it’s just redress to the gas oligarchs.

what are their losses? they are only with us

[Rider]

Quote: Anti

and traditional fuel is explosive, no less, but there is an alternative

maybe there is an alternative, but not gas.
about gas for military equipment and scary to think.
and Brontechnika riding a solarium.
it is not so combustible.

that’s why they don’t put gas on buses for people.

Quote: Anti

what are their losses? they are only with us

not only in our country, the "de-sequencing" of supplies to Europe is hitting the pockets of gas pumps.
here is the little bear and is trying.
and if you also gouge Syria with Iran ...

[Anti]

Quote: Rider

that’s why they don’t put gas on buses for people.

Germany has a lot of gas buses.

Quote: Rider

maybe there is an alternative, but not gas.
about gas for military equipment and scary to think.

In combat, everything is scary, even if it moves on the water.

[Rider]

Quote: Anti

Germany has a lot of gas buses.

hmm ... didn't know.

Quote: Anti

In combat, everything is scary, even if it moves on the water.

You see, the fact is that the gas is very volatile, the slightest leak, and a fire (from a heated engine) can occur even in a non-combat situation.

even so, gas is not the best replacement for a solarium.

[Professor]

Quote: vaf

the men and I wound to Beirut or Haifa

I think about Haifa you have a typo.

[VAF]

Quote: professor

I think about Haifa you have a typo.

And .... in vain, dear Professor!

[Professor]

From this place, please read more ... how did you visit Haifa on weekends from Syria in 1980. It is really very interesting how with a Soviet passport could pass border control?

[VAF]

Quote: professor

From this place, please read more.

Excuse me, dear Professor, but ..... this "story", maybe .. "cherevat"

And I need it, in my old age, "these headaches"!

wrote a little in PM!

[crocodile25]

Quote: vaf

Well, it’s you very much in vain ..... to remember the Twice Hero of the Soviet Union, the cosmonaut Leonov the same ... "passed" ?????

By the way, we didn’t switch to you!

What had to land on the moon ?!

[crocodile25]

Everyone who minusanul and did not answer on ib..lu fill a little well, well, see you again!

[Apollo]

Quote: Anti

......... on all branches is the enemy number 3

so if you don’t calm down, get a second warning.

[Anti]

Apollo, if you continue to pursue me, I will sue all of humanity for you.

[Apollo]

Quote: Anti

Arollo, if you continue to pursue me, I will sue all of humanity for you

1.Where is the letter "n" ?!
2.Not to chase but chase.
3. For Threat by Court +

[Apollo]

Quote: Anti

But what does the prefix happen to be?

So write on the topic, here, or on another thread. Everything.

[Ruslan67]

Quote: Apollon

So write on the topic, here, or on another thread. Everything.

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Mr. moderator Such desman brutalized It was worth a week to spend in the country as soon as generals divorced as fur animals from the Dzungaria

[Ruslan67]

Quote: Anti

Apollo, if you continue to pursue me, I will sue all of humanity for you.

Hearings will be held in Pago - Pago Eastern Samoa United States Is there enough money for a ticket? or will the State Department write a business trip?

[Canep]

Well, you can congratulate them.

[slvevg]

and whatever you may say, but there is a backlog in the field of UAVs for 15 years, it is necessary to develop means of counteracting robots based on AI in all its diversity.

[smershspy]

Lord! Good news! Have more new equipment in the army! I have the honor!

[UFO]

There are more contractors in the air defense, equipment is becoming more complicated and specialists need good ones.

[queen]

Quote: UFO

More contractors in air defense

You are right, but do not forget that we have a lot of office plankton divorced, so conscripts are mandatory, and for two years.

[nemec55]

At one time I would go for three. So it's not the limit.

[seller trucks]

under the USSR there was a kind of alternative service, vocational training school for training personnel for the Navy (42 Naval School of the Navy, Kronstadt - he graduated), then, 3 years of compulsory practice on the so-called auxiliary fleet (on the Northern Fleet it was called OVSG), i.e. civilian working for a salary. what am I doing that prevents me from developing in this vein for any kind of troops? there were also secondary schools (technical schools) for the preparation of secondary naval personnel, nothing needs to be invented. Service, specialty, salary.

[pahom54]

Nevertheless, it’s nice to find out such news ... We did not have time to finish off the army, thank God !!!
Only here is the problem in the servants and especially in their preparation remains topical. You can’t master well-received new equipment by conscripts.

[Alexander_]

It is high time to get a driver’s license under the school curriculum, and prepare for service at school.

[Airman]

Quote: pahom54

Nevertheless, it’s nice to find out such news ... We did not have time to finish off the army, thank God !!!
Only here is the problem in the servants and especially in their preparation remains topical. You can’t master well-received new equipment by conscripts.

You can prepare a conscript for a year if you are seriously engaged in it. But there is no time to serve him, it’s time for a demobilization. Therefore, they don’t teach.

[DEfindER]

Quote: pahom54

Only here is the problem in the servants and especially in their preparation remains topical.

Well, in this case, as far as I know, TORs have the highest degree of automation, because to shoot down missiles, you need to make a decision in a split second, and entrusting this to a person is hardly possible. Here are long-range systems that have a margin of time, there it is possible to decide not to shoot down at the level of chiefs of staff. And then I set up an air defense robot and don’t think about anything, I hope they will bring this machine to full automation with artificial intelligence .. By the way, the main parameter of the complex, its range, was not given in the article.

For modification M1
It provides protection against targets moving at speeds of up to 700 m / s, at distances from 0,5 to 12 km and at altitudes from 10 m to 6 km. Transfer from marching to combat position takes up to 3 minutes. The reaction time of the complex is 8-12 seconds.

[mehanik27]

Quote: DEfindER

Well, in this case, as far as I know, TORs have the highest degree of automation

and short MTBF

[mehanik27]

C'mon, in the beginning in the 2000s conscripts, half of whom, at least, God forbid 9 classes graduated, successfully mastered sophisticated equipment, in particular the complex depicted in the photo.

[Quartermaster]

So after all, 2 new plants are being built, where they will just produce the S-500.

[elmir15]

And this is very good. S-300 complexes are in demand around the world, the portfolio of orders is huge, and we need to close our territories. Holes in the North should be closed with S-400 and Migami-31 complexes. So it would be nice to build 2 plants faster.

[mogus]

I read yesterday that the s400 plant will finish in 2015. And they are building two plants. The second can and will be on s500.

[elmir15]

Faster would have built. Over time, with 500 kami and with 400 kami, replace the c300. And those who were freed with 300 allies, both close and distant - Syria, Venezuela, etc.

[pinecone]

Quote: Sukhov

Quote: Canep

In Russia, this diversity SAM, which I sometimes get confused. Here we are definitely ahead of the rest.

Merit of Nikita Sergeevich (rockets instead of guns).
There is no silver lining!

The first Soviet air defense systems began to be developed under Stalin (the Berkut project, 1950)

[Suhov]

Quote: pinecone

The first Soviet air defense systems began to be developed under Stalin (the Berkut project, 1950)

I'm a little about something else.
Under Khrushchev abandoned the barrel artillery: not only did not develop, but much was simply cut.
Nikita Sergeyevich believed that all problems can be solved with the help of rockets and did not spare money for this.
But there was still not enough money for everything.
Saving resources by abandoning certain areas of the development of armaments made it possible to begin to solve the problems of providing the citizens of the USSR with food, consumer goods, and housing (Khrushchev).
Not Khrushchev - bad, such a time.

[Rider]

Quote: Sukhov

and housing (Khrushchev)

on Khrushchev, I advise you to get acquainted (the second part of the article)

http://oko-planet.su/history/historynew/186390-razoblachenie-mifov-o-hruscheve-n
ikakoy-polzy-krome-vreda-factor-berii.html

[andrei332809]

reinforce the southern direction, reinforce. they know something at the top that they don’t tell us about

[PValery53]

I am very pleased with the receipts of new equipment, and especially with air defense (I am a reserve squad). But even with all the equipment, one would not miss the flight of the adversaries! Keep the service on top!

[egsp]

Something they do not want to publish my criticisms. probably also think in the Air Defense Forces all is well.

[crasever]

Everything is being done correctly - Russia has an excellent, still Soviet, groundwork for military air defense, which likely "friends" will hardly be able to reach, so they are installing and mastering new technology. And the rest of the segments have the same dynamics - you look, and the adversary will not climb ...

[egsp]

Military air defense is forgotten by all.
Laudatory odes of the S-400 and the hypothetical S-500 (missile defense element) are everywhere. The leadership of the Armed Forces forgot that the ground forces during the hostilities cover the air defense forces of the ground forces, which are currently in a deplorable state. More than 50% of weapons and military equipment are over 30 years old, the last "new" samples of Buk-m1 and S-300v entered the troops in 1994, Shilki are still in service with some ISBR, and in some places even S-60 (who does not know anti-aircraft gun on wheels). The only ostentatious crew with the new Buk-m2 equipment (Alkino village) is a drop in the ocean.

[PLO]

have you heard anything about the S-300B4?

[Komsomolets]

olp And tell me please, where do we have the S-300B4 really in service and in what quantity?

[PLO]

olp And tell me please, where do we have the S-300B4 really in service and in what quantity?

a year ago, a contract was signed for the supply of S-300V4 for a period of 3 years.

where they stand xs, but they said that the first 3 divisions will go to SEE.

[Komsomolets]

olp that's when they do then there will be a conversation, but for now this is only an intention.
I think it’s not worth saying how many military contracts we have broken.
S-400 until the 20th year in the amount of 56 divisions will not be unequivocally everyone already understands this.
Even the construction of new plants does not save. So I think it's too early to talk about the S-300B4. At the same time, one should not forget that all four brigades of the three divisions of the S-300V are already more than 20 years old, so that by the time the S-300B4 appears, they can no longer be counted.

[PLO]

There was no information on how this contract is being implemented (successfully or not), so it is too early to draw conclusions.

At the same time, one should not forget that all four brigades of the three divisions of the S-300V are already more than 20 years old, so that by the time the S-300B4 appears, they can no longer be counted.

here let’s also not draw any unfounded conclusions about what to consider and what not to consider.

in any case, it was a response to the comment that they completely forgot about anti-aircraft defense, which is frank distortion

[Komsomolets]

olp the fact that about the air defense forces of the SV forgot this is a real fact. Nothing has been received for more than 20 years. Have you forgotten this?
I don’t argue that deliveries, while piece-by-piece, went well, but so far these deliveries do not equalize the situation. Degradation is ongoing.
And my justified conclusions, the life cycle of the S-300V is running out. I know the state of technology from the Birobidzhan brigade by hearsay, to put it mildly very, very low.

[mehanik27]

20 years ago it was 93 years old ... a couple of years later they re-equipped 1142 zrp with a new complex. In 2005, the Volgograd regiment was re-equipped (I don’t remember the number). This is just what I remembered offhand.

[Komsomolets]

Yes, I do not argue that they supplied something, but this is a drop in the ocean. And the fact that now this technique of yesterday is being supplied, you cannot but understand this, since you serve on the "Torah".
For example, in 91 we at the Orenburg school showed a film about "Buk-M2", the crews sat in the uniform of the SA. Today it is in service with one (ceremonial) division in Alkino.

[mehanik27]

To re-equip a whole SRP, when there is an economic crisis in the country, it’s a drop in the ocean ????? (I still can’t give the full text, since the site says that I have an invalid text)

[mehanik27]

Well, tell me where parts from the S-60 remained ????? In addition to storage bases and arsenals.

[egsp]

I would put the author a minus, as yet there is no authority.
The fact is that recently I have been observing a tendency to praise completely ordinary and simple things (such as brigade, battalion tactical exercises) or public relations receipts of supposedly new equipment (I recently read on the website about the entry of Hyacinth-s systems into the BBO troops). These articles create the appearance of the availability of new weapons and military equipment.

[Airman]

Over the past 20 years, nothing new has appeared in the Air Defense Forces. The Shell-S-1 is a modernized Tunguska, mounted on wheels.

[Komsomolets]

EGSSP absolutely agree with you, I saw at the station in Chita these Hyacinths removed from storage and sent to the BBO. After being removed from storage, they didn’t even bother to paint, it’s not even worth talking about modernization ...

[v53993]

The article is encouraging. I would like to, of course, get the latest air defense systems, a lot at once. But it doesn't work that way. And as for the outdated technology ..., in skillful hands, and the "old woman" C-125 flunked the F-117 at once.

[Airman]

Quote: v53993

The article is encouraging. I would like to, of course, get the latest air defense systems, a lot at once. But it doesn't work that way. And as for the outdated technology ..., in skillful hands, and the "old woman" C-125 flunked the F-117 at once.

And where can skillful hands come from? In Soviet times, all anti-aircraft missile regiments and brigades once every 2 years launched combat launches at the Emba training ground, and now if they fire, it is very rare. It is better to dispose of the missiles in an explosive manner than to shoot at the training ground, less expensive .

[mehanik27]

Where does this information come from ???? On this site, two types of hamsters are usually a hamster jubilant and a hamster yearning for pronounced polymers. You clearly belong to the second type. Since 2000, the practice of carrying out BS with TU when the PSA or brigade has been completely restored years shoots at the firing range. Source - own experience

[Komsomolets]

mehanik27, but do not share your rich experience of TU with BS (is this abbreviation correctly spelled like this)?

[mehanik27]

What to share then ??? Regarding the TU with the BS, you’re right, I didn’t notice that I was mistaken when writing.

[Dimkapvo]

A well-known in the expert circles analytical center Air Power Australia in early February presented an in-depth study on the combat capabilities of modern military aviation and current air defense systems. The American “air sword” and the Russian “shield” are taken as a basis.
In fact, Russian air defense systems are assigned to the premium class. For this assessment, researchers from Air Power Australia are working on their high combat reliability, destruction efficiency and relatively low price by the standards of the arms market. For example, Americans of this class of system are much more expensive, despite the fact that the same reliability, efficiency and combat capabilities of their products are much lower than Russian ones.

The conclusion of foreign experts is interesting: modern Russian anti-aircraft missile systems and radar systems have reached a level that virtually eliminates the possibility of the survival of US military aircraft in the event of a military collision.

According to an Australian study, not only American F-15, F-16 and F / A-18 planes are not capable of resisting Russian air defense, but even the promising fifth-generation Joint Strike Fighter fighter, also known as F-35 Lightning II. And in order to achieve the superiority that the United States military aviation had at the time of the end of the Cold War, the Pentagon must adopt at least 400 more F-22 Raptor aircraft. Otherwise, American aviation will finally lose its strategic superiority over Russian air defense.
Air Power Australia recalls that its expert Dr. Carlo Call, who defended his dissertation in the field of radar technology, compared the capabilities of modern Russian anti-aircraft missile systems and American F-35 fighters and came to the conclusion that these aircraft will be an easy target. The manufacturer of the latest winged aircraft, the Lockheed Martin Corporation of America, has never tried to publicly challenge the expert’s statement.

[Komsomolets]

DimkaPVO certainly can not but rejoice that the Australians are so afraid of our air defense, and the Su-35S, etc. d.
But it does not at all reflect the real state of affairs. These studies are based on a comparison of performance characteristics, but the following questions are not reflected at all:
- training and staffing of combat crews
- quantitative and qualitative state of arms and military equipment
- manning and age of missiles, etc.
I want to assure you that even with these three questions everything is very deplorable, that in the air defense of the NE, that of the East Kazakhstan region, that of the air force, etc. Yes, they started to go to live firing, sometimes they even shoot well. But all this is on equipment that mainly breathes incense, missiles that have lived 2-3 lives, and even on targets that everyone knows where and how much will fly, and on which route and how.
Of course, there are shifts for the better, but such tepps that the country's full radar field and full anti-aircraft missile cover will reach 200 years later. And all this was 20 years ago.
And now, unfortunately, there is practically no radar field at all, the air defense is focal in nature, and the north is generally completely open.
So look at things realistically, since 7-8 S-400 divisions for more than 5 years not only do not improve the situation, but also do not keep at this level, because they do not compensate for obsolete S-300s ...
And so the news itself is positive, but it's time to scream so early.

[Mr. Truth]

A good car, one thing is interesting, will it pull another pair of rockets so that there are 10 on the BM?

[mehanik27]

And where to put this couple ????

[Mr. Truth]

Quote: mehanik27

And where to put this couple ????

Yes it’s just that, thinking out loud. The car is very good, anyway.

[mehanik27]

Than good, worked with her a lot ????

[Dr. M2]

For reference: S-300, S-400, S-500 are made at different factories in Russia, so do not rush to announce that the S-500 is not made.
I warn you in advance that I do not intend to report data. The less you know the better you sleep

Well, let's say at which plant they make "S-300" or "S-400" and so everyone knows.

If there is a minimal desire to crawl on the Internet, at least you can find that
91N6A are made at JSC NPO NIIP - NZiK (Novosibirsk),
92N6A at OJSC "NMZ" (Nizhny Novgorod),
96L6 at JSC NPO LEMZ (Moscow),
5P85TM2 launchers (for example) are made at the same OJSC "NMZ" or at OJSC "GOZ Obukhovsky plant", and a bunch of enterprises are involved in cooperation. For example, electronics for 92N6A comes from OJSC "MMZ", the antenna for it is made and tuned by OJSC "ZRTO" and even (ha-ha-ha) aircraft plant "Sokol", and so on, many enterprises are involved, hundreds, starting with at least chassis from MZKT (Belarus) or OJSC "BZKT" (Bryansk), or actually missiles (OJSC "Moscow machine-building plant Avangard", Moscow), and believe me, this whole chain of cooperation is generally known to everyone who was interested in the issue.

But the S-500 has not yet been developed, so there is simply nothing to do.

[Dr. M2]

So after all, 2 new plants are being built, where they will just produce the S-500.

These two factories have nothing to do with the S-500 at the moment. I repeat, no "S-500" simply does not exist yet. And when it will exist and will actually be possible at these "two factories" (more precisely, three) to be produced, then this is the essence of the same radar and launchers, with slightly modified electronics. Replace a few electronic blocks and missiles with the S-300 and you will have the S-400. So it is from S-400 to S-500 step.

[Dr. M2]

I read yesterday that the s400 plant will finish in 2015. And they are building two plants. The second can and will be on s500.

One is focused on radars and launchers, the other on missiles. In 2015, both in the best case (far from the fact) will produce one copy of the products planned for production, for presentation for state tests. Moreover, in these manufactured copies, almost everything of real value (for example, electronics) will be mostly produced not in "new factories".

[Dr. M2]

that’s why they don’t put gas on buses for people.

even the old grooves have long been riding on gas.