A strange turn of events for the Sarychi

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A strange turn of events for the Sarychi

Just like in a fairy tale, in a distant and now non-existent country, there once lived the "Sarych" destroyers. The Project 956 "Sarych" destroyers are a series of Soviet first-class destroyers with a guided missile. rocket Long-range maritime and ocean-going weapons. The last of the destroyer-class ships developed and implemented in the USSR.


They were built with an eye toward countering long-range maritime and oceanic combat, primarily against the US Navy's Spruance-class destroyers. In the 80s, this was NATO's primary destroyer, a remarkable ship, though not without its flaws, the main one being poor seakeeping and increased roll and flooding due to its narrow hull. In this regard, the Sarych-class destroyers were far superior to the Americans.



But in other respects, the Americans were perhaps more interesting. The Spruance's gas turbine power plant was a cut above the Sarych's boiler-turbine power plant. It was more compact, weighed less, was easier to maintain and repair, and had increased survivability in the face of shocks and combat damage. Furthermore, the Spruance's gas turbines reached full power from cold in just 12 minutes, while the Sarych's boilers required at least an hour and a half.


In terms of armament, the ships were ambiguous: the Sarych was superior to the Spruance in artillery (2x2x130mm versus 2x1x127mm), there was parity in anti-ship armament (8 Moskit versus 8 Harpoon), but the American ship had stronger anti-submarine weapons: 2 SH-60 helicopters versus one Ka-27, a more powerful AN/SQS-53 sonar, and an ASROC guided anti-submarine system. The Project 956 destroyers have a crew of 50 more than the Spruance-class destroyers.

And when the Spruences were upgraded with Mk-41 vertical launch systems, designed to carry Tomahawk cruise missiles, the Spruences gained an advantage, becoming truly more powerful and versatile ships.

And then they were replaced by the Arleigh Burke-class destroyers, which were much more effective in every way than the previous generation of destroyers.

But it wasn't the emergence of new, more powerful opponents that killed the Sarychi.


The collapse of the USSR led to a sharp, more than 20-fold reduction in state orders for the Navy, including both the construction of new ships and the comprehensive repair of ships already in service. fleet.

Underfunding became the main enemy of warships, which ceased to exist due to a lack of funds. The Sarychs were no exception: construction of new destroyers was halted, only those already laid down were completed, and routine and mid-life repairs of those already built were either delayed or not carried out at all.


This resulted in most Project 956 Sarych destroyers being in service for less than ten years, despite their intended service life exceeding twenty. The record-holder was the destroyer Stoikiy, which served for five years, but her sister ships were not far behind. Okrylennyy served for six years, Bezuderzhnyy and Osmotritelnyy for seven, Bezuprechnyy, Gremyashchy, and Rastoropnyy for eight, and Boyevoy and Bezboyaznennyy for nine.

As a result, by 2002, of the seventeen destroyers built for the Soviet and Russian navies, only five were actually in service: Boyevoy, Burny, Bespokoyny, Nastoychivy, and Besstrashny. Today, only one Sarych-class destroyer remains in service—Nastoychivy—in the Baltic.


Three comrades are on their way to the cutting room:

The Admiral Ushakov was decommissioned in December last year, just three years after its overhaul was scheduled to be completed in 2022.


"Bystry" was sent to the reserves in 2021 and his return from there looks doubtful.


In 2013, the Burny was sent for repairs, which were stopped in 2023, and, apparently, this unfinished repair will lead to the scrap yard.

The boiler-turbine power plant is to blame for this dismal outcome. The main problem is that at the Kirov-Energomash plant in St. Petersburg, where the GTZAs were manufactured, turbine blade production has long since ceased, and there are no specialists left.

And that's basically it story The production of Soviet/Russian Sarych-class destroyers has ended. But not Project 956 ships at all.

In the book "The Soviet Superdestroyer of the Third Generation" by S.I. Ovsyannikov and V.I. Sviridopulo there are the following lines:

"Despite the fact that by 2010, Project 956 destroyers, when compared to new fourth-generation ships, were undoubtedly outdated, the project's excellent modernization capabilities make it possible to give it the combat qualities required in the new conditions by replacing outdated naval weapons systems with more modern ones."


New conditions have arrived for the Sarychi, it’s just a pity that they’re not here


Photos have arrived from China of the Project 956EM destroyer Taizhou, which has undergone extensive modernization.






At one time, China ordered two Project 956E ships from the USSR. They were laid down in 1988 and 1989, respectively, and entered service with the PLA Navy in 1999 (Hangzhou) and 2000 (Fuzhou). This protracted construction was due to the cataclysms that began in the Soviet Union, but China nevertheless received the ships and found them to be very useful. In 2002, two more ships of the modernized Project 956EM were laid down by order of the PRC.

It should be noted that this time construction proceeded much faster, and in 2005 the Taizhou entered service, and in 2006 the Ningbo.

Judging by all the calculations, these ships can already be decommissioned after 20 years, as their service life has already expired. However, China takes a slightly different view and is in no rush to decommission the ships.

This is interesting, but it turns out that the ancient boiler-turbine installation of the destroyers is not at all a hindrance for long-term operation by Chinese sailors and, after 20 years, is in a completely functional condition.


It's truly thought-provoking, especially when you look at all the upgrades the ship has undergone.

1. Instead of two quadruple launchers of the Moskit anti-ship missile, the Taizhou received two quadruple launchers of the Chinese YJ-12 anti-ship missile. The P-270 Moskit, of course, is quite effective even today. weapon, but it originates from the 70s—the "golden age" of weapons development. The YJ-12 is only 30 years younger and likely somewhat more effective.

2. Instead of the Shtil air defense missile system with a beam launcher, the ship was equipped with a Chinese HHQ-16 naval air defense missile system with H/AKJ-16 vertical launchers, with a total of 48 cells for HQ-16 medium-range anti-aircraft guided missiles and Yu-8 anti-submarine guided missiles.

The Shtil is a Buk missile system without its own radar, operating from shipborne radars. In our case, it has a single-boom missile launch system and a 12-missile ammunition load. A Project 956 ship can carry three launchers with a total of 36 missiles. In this day and age, that's frankly not enough.

The HQ-16 air defense system is equipped with four MR090 passive phased array radars. The missiles are housed in a 32-cell launcher rather than magazines, significantly increasing the rate of fire. The HQ-16 was developed based on the Shtil system and incorporated technology from the latest Buk air defense system modifications, making it a modern and predictably effective system.

3. Instead of two Kashtan air defense missile systems, two 11-barrel Chinese H/PJ-11 air defense missile systems were installed, as well as a 24-round launcher, which should have been from the modernized HQ-10A self-defense air defense system.

A perfectly logical replacement. The Kortik ("Kashtan" is the export name) is, again, from the 70s. The Kortik SAM system was deemed ineffective due to its heavy weight and size, and the fact that in practice, it was unable to finish off enemy anti-ship missiles damaged by its own missiles with automatic fire. Its heavy weight ultimately prevented it from being used in most cases in place of the AK-630M SAM system, and its electronic equipment was incompatible with more modern systems like the Redut.

The H/PJ-11 ZAK operates from its own radar, and although the effective range is somewhat closer than that of the Kashtan (approximately 1,000 meters), the more modern system has advantages.

The HQ-10A is one of the latest developments from the Shanghai Academy of Space Technology. It's a short-range air defense system with a range of up to 10 km. Its guidance system is reportedly an advanced infrared (IIR)-guided matrix seeker. However, the missile's front end features a pair of horn-like protrusions, which may indicate the presence of passive radar or semi-active radar seekers.

The launcher can be adapted to accommodate any number of missiles. Various configurations are possible: 8, 15, 18, and 24 missiles, which can be deployed on different warships depending on their size and purpose.

The PJ-11 + HQ-10A pair definitely looks more effective than the rather heavy and bulky Kashtan.

4. To top it all off, the ship received four 24-round launchers of the H/RJZ-726-4A jamming system.

5. In the “small details” category, the Soviet 533mm torpedo tubes were replaced with Chinese triple-tube 324mm anti-submarine torpedo tubes.

And three helicopters instead of one.

In general, the original set of weapons included 130-mm AK-130 artillery mounts.

In other words, we can say that 95% of the destroyer's armament has been replaced. Frankly, the 130mm guns' effectiveness is more than questionable these days, as they have virtually no targets left. Anything at a decent distance is easier to engage with missiles, and it's safer for the ship, but at close range, where unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) pose the main threat, the caliber is, to put it mildly, inadequate.

And here's where things get confusing. China is building ships today, to put it mildly, at a staggering pace. State-of-the-art. They're the envy of some, the hatred of others. The 052 is quite modern, while the 055 has nothing like it anywhere else in the world.

Against this backdrop, this modernization, the cost of which, naturally, in keeping with the neighboring countries, is not disclosed, appears quite peculiar. For starters, this massive amount of work will also require replacing a huge amount of electronic equipment to control the new weapons and interface them with the remaining old ones.

If China were waging a war, that would be understandable. If there was a problem with the availability of warships, even more so. But China has the most dynamically developing navy in the world, so that's not the issue.

How strange that our Sarych-class submarines, laid down at the same time as the ships for China, although built not in 10-11 years but in 3-4, are already in the dustbin of history or on their way there. They are beyond repair, with completely obsolete boiler-turbine propulsion systems, having exhausted their service life.


At the same time, the PLA Navy of the People's Liberation Army of China, operating almost sixty destroyers, is in no hurry to send four "old" Sarych destroyers to the scrap heap, arranging for them a more than serious modernization.

Stupidity?


If there's one thing our neighbors haven't been known for, it's stupidity of this kind. It's stupid to spend six years repairing a ship and then decommission it three years after the repairs are complete. That's stupid because either you don't decommission a freshly repaired ship, or you undertake a repair that leaves the ship in a state of disrepair.

A very strange and poorly understood story. Of course, it will be interesting to follow the further exploitation of the Soviet/Russian Sarych-class ships in the PLA Navy, because there are more questions than answers, and only the continued use of these ships can provide the answers.
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  1. + 20
    April 27 2026 04: 11
    We lost the country, and now we're talking about some destroyers.
    What we have, we don’t keep
    Lost - crying
    (Point from the instructions for governing Russia
    1. +1
      April 28 2026 15: 02
      Apparently, they've also decided on something regarding the modernization of the KTEU, since they've completely replaced the entire internals. The Chinese haven't provided any data on the 956E modernization. And so far, no foolishness has been noticed on their part; everything is clearly rational. They're using their available resources wisely.

      P.S. I've always liked the Sarychi's hull lines.
  2. + 11
    April 27 2026 05: 06
    There's no mention of the control system. Maybe the Chinese changed that too? The scale of the reconstruction is certainly astonishing.
    1. +1
      April 28 2026 15: 02
      Quote: Sergey Tkach
      Maybe the Chinese changed it too?

      They didn't change it. They serviced it on time.
  3. + 18
    April 27 2026 05: 13
    A very strange and poorly understood story
    There are a bunch of such stories for every branch of the military.
    1. +6
      April 27 2026 07: 17
      poorly understood

      Put money first and understanding will come.
      1. +5
        April 27 2026 13: 57
        They allocated a hundred billion rubles to Kuzya and want to write it off before the renovations are even finished. Imagine if the people in charge of renovating their palaces were told, after receiving all the money, that they had to tear it down and build anew.
        1. -1
          April 28 2026 15: 04
          Quote from alexoff
          A hundred billion was allocated for Kuzya

          Some were given billions, others were writing it off.
          In reality, the "AK" is absolutely worthless in terms of price/quality.
  4. + 12
    April 27 2026 05: 31
    Let's be honest, 130mm guns - their effectiveness in our time is more than questionable, since there are practically no targets left for them.

    I find this statement dubious.
    It is stupid to repair a ship for six years and then write it off three years after the repairs are completed.
    Now that is certain.
    1. + 20
      April 27 2026 05: 43
      We shot down a low-flying missile in Kamchatka with the second shot from an AK-130.
      1. + 11
        April 27 2026 05: 47
        Quote: Sokolov_Vladimir
        We shot down a low-flying missile in Kamchatka with the second shot from an AK-130.

        That's exactly it, the issue of timely detection and precise targeting. And the proper operation of the proximity fuse, which was installed on the 130mm. And for the BEK, even a close hit is enough, given the 3,5 kg of explosives.
        1. 0
          April 27 2026 17: 37
          One shot is not a system! This caliber is no longer needed on a ship!
      2. +2
        April 27 2026 14: 31
        On February 24, 2024, the German frigate Hessen shot down a Houthi drone with its 76mm cannon.
    2. Eug
      +4
      April 27 2026 06: 06
      It is very much "doubtful", because they don't do stupid things "there", behind any apparent stupidity there is a money grab.
      As for the Chinese Sarychi, I'd venture to guess they want to try installing a nuclear reactor with all the necessary equipment. Apparently, the KTU was chosen for the Sarychi for this reason, in addition to overloading Zarya-Mashproekt with orders.
      1. +9
        April 27 2026 06: 43
        Quote: Eug
        It is very much "doubtful", because they don't do stupid things "there", behind any apparent stupidity there is a money grab.

        Of course, we simply don't consider such things outright treason or theft. At least, judging by the punishments.

        Quote: Eug
        As for the Chinese Sarychs, I dare say they want to try "inserting" a nuclear reactor with everything that goes with it.
        Very interesting, although how?! That would mean tearing down the entire superstructure and building a new one; it would be easier to start from scratch, in my opinion.
        1. +8
          April 28 2026 00: 50
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          Very interesting, although how?!

          "No way," the comrade is fantasizing. "Look at the size and the Sarych's rotor, and also at its age. What kind of nuclear power plant is it?" lol
          The Chinese simply converted the Sarych boilers to run on diesel fuel, now they practically don't smoke, they've become more efficient, and there's no inconsistency in supplying the fleet with fuel oil specifically for the Sarychs.
          As for our Sarychs, at the turn of the 80s and 90s, several projects were prepared for the modernization of these destroyers during mid-life repairs, which significantly increased the armament and firepower of these ships. Thus, it was planned to dismantle the aft turret and install in its place 4 UVP/UKSK blocks with 32 cells for the Granat cruise missiles (the grandfather of the Kalibr), and instead of 2 x 4 Moskit launchers - 2 x 6 (= 16) inclined launchers for the Onyx anti-ship missiles (which were then actively developed). Instead of a beam launcher for the Shtil SAM system - a UVP for more modern Shtil SAMs (equivalent to the Buk-M2). The radar complex was also going to be updated, as was the torpedo armament. A major hangar was to appear instead of a sliding hangar.
          If all Soviet Sarych-class submarines had undergone such a mid-life overhaul in the 90s (if the USSR hadn't disappeared), they would have become quite modern and powerful DMZ strike ships. With insufficient anti-submarine capabilities, but a very powerful strike system. A more than worthy response to the modernized Spruence-class submarines.
          The modernization of all Project 1155 large anti-submarine ships built by that time was planned during the mid-life overhaul. After the removal of the second 100mm turret, they were to be equipped with four to six UKSK turrets for the Granat cruise missile, and two six-point, inclined Onyx launchers in place of the two four-point, inclined ASW missile launchers. The old torpedo tubes were to be replaced with launchers for the Vodopad ASW missile. Air defense remained at the same level, i.e., the Kinzhal short-range SAM system, which was certainly insufficient, but at least strike capabilities were significantly enhanced. While maintaining the previous, highly respectable anti-submarine capabilities, plus two helicopters.
          But the new modifications of Project 1155 were supposed to carry up to 64 UVP/UKSK and UVP cells for the Shtil SAM system. And this with 2 x 6 inclined Oniks launchers and Vodopad anti-submarine missiles.
          The concept of a "single DMZ ship" had already been established in the second half of the 80s, and with the advent of the Burke, it became firmly established. We were also working on our own equivalent, the AEGIS, but for larger ships, as our Navy didn't face the same threat (supersonic heavy anti-ship missiles) as the US Navy. And under such conditions, the Shtil-2's capabilities were quite sufficient at the time.

          As for our "missed opportunities," the Russian Federation is not the USSR, so even with relatively decent funding, sabotage, theft, sloppiness, and sabotage prevented us from building new ships at any acceptable rate or quantity, from promptly modernizing and extending the lifespan and quality of service of the Soviet legacy, or even from properly repairing and maintaining the fleet of ships inherited from our great ancestors. Parasites don't build. And they don't store. They simply eat up the leftovers.
          1. 0
            April 28 2026 08: 15
            Quote: bayard
            "No way," the comrade is fantasizing. "Look at the size and the Sarych's rotor, and also at its age. What kind of nuclear power plant is it?"

            Well, if we're going to fantasize, let's fantasize. Throw out one boiler and replace it with something compact and nuclear-powered that produces steam, and there you have it – a fuel-independent economy.
            1. 0
              April 28 2026 12: 10
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              and here you go - a fuel-independent economic move.

              With such dimensions, and in an old hull? Without structural reactor protection? The protection alone would weigh more than the entire propulsion plant. And why would China need it? They didn't even install a nuclear power plant on their 055, and here... the Sarych reactor's reactor core is less than 8000 tons. What reactor?
              But of course you can dream. stop Just be careful - a nuclear power plant is no joke.
              Well, the Sarych's boilers and turbines produced steam parameters precisely according to nuclear power standards. So, in principle, it's possible, but WHY? In the US, they experimented with nuclear propulsion systems for frigates, destroyers, and cruisers—unreasonably expensive and complicated. The lifecycle cost of nuclear cruisers ended up being 4-5 times higher than that of conventional ones. They didn't even want to install nuclear propulsion systems on an aircraft carrier, and only the experience of the Vietnam War, showing that aircraft carriers should be capable of 200 sorties per day, while they could barely manage 120, forced them to experiment with the Enterprise. It was expensive, but she could launch aircraft at full speed continuously. And then they ordered the more simplified Nimitz cruisers. And our nuclear cruisers, too, showed operating costs four times higher. And you can't even enter foreign ports with a nuclear power plant. So, instead of 10 Orlan-class submarines, they built only four, and they decided to build Project 1164 submarines instead of the rest (but they only managed to build four, and even one of them wasn't finished). China has watched our experiments with the US and won't fool around.
              1. 0
                April 28 2026 19: 51
                Well, the Sarych boilers and turbines produced steam parameters exactly according to nuclear energy standards.

                Turbines Orlan 653 - 2,9 MPa/300 oC
                Sarych 674 turbines - 6,8 MPa/480 oC
                So how do you attach them to a pressurized water reactor?
                1. 0
                  April 28 2026 22: 25
                  There's no need to even think about it, and there's no point in even trying. Because there's no point. I just read about the "Sarych" reactors, where the turbines were designed for extreme or even supercritical steam parameters, requiring distilled water and, in general, maintenance like a nuclear power plant. But I couldn't even imagine the parameters being that high. So, the question is pointless—one blurted out something stupid, and the others are discussing it.
                  Quote: Victor Leningradets
                  Sarych 674 turbines - 6,8 MPa/480 oC

                  Now I understand why and how conscript sailors in the post-Soviet period ruined the Sarychi power plant, including with poorly/incorrectly prepared water.
      2. +1
        April 28 2026 15: 06
        Quote: Eug
        try to "insert" a nuclear reactor with all the attendant

        laughing
        1. +1
          April 28 2026 20: 02
          Today, the St. Petersburg and Leningrad Region Shipbuilders Association held another meeting. The Baltic Shipyard showed a film of a RITM-200 reactor installation on the slipway of an icebreaker. The hull is 34 meters wide, with 50 mm clearances to adjacent structures. The operation lasts several shifts. There's no way this thing would fit inside the destroyer's hull; even Houdini couldn't help.
          1. 0
            April 28 2026 21: 47
            No one is going to shove an expensive nuclear power plant into a long-outdated ship.
            It makes sense that the Chinese are retaining inexpensive ships capable of supporting amphibious landings. Making them nuclear-powered—boom-boom...
    3. +1
      April 27 2026 09: 39
      AK-130, excellent machine, I fully support you!
  5. + 11
    April 27 2026 05: 59
    Why build anything new or modernize old but still usable weapons? It's easier to just throw them under the knife. Liberals in action.
    1. -2
      April 27 2026 07: 41
      What do liberals have to do with this? They're not the ones who destroy a ship in a couple of long voyages. The problem lies in the "clumsiness" and "incompetence" of our sailors. This problem dates back to the Tsarist era.
      1. +6
        April 27 2026 07: 55
        Quote: ism_ek
        The problem is the "clumsiness" and "incompetence" of our sailors.

        Perhaps, before criticizing our domestic mechanics, Hawkeye should point out that the Chinese destroyers were equipped with a gas-turbine power plant, not a boiler-turbine one, which we also had no problems with?
        1. +5
          April 27 2026 09: 22
          Perhaps, before scolding domestic mechanics, Hawkeye will still pay attention to the fact that the Chinese destroyers were equipped not with a boiler-turbine, but with a gas-turbine power plant.

          Can you tell me where I can read about this?
          Because in Chinese Hangzhou, for example
          Engines 2 boiler-turbine units GTZA-674,
          Power 100 hp

          As in Stoikom, for example
          Engines of 2 boiler-turbine units GTZA-674
          Power 100 hp

          As with the other destroyers of the project.
          The Project 956 destroyer utilizes a boiler-turbine propulsion system as its main propulsion plant. The twin-shaft propulsion plant is housed in two separate boiler compartments. Each boiler compartment contains two main boiler units and one gas turbine engine with associated machinery and systems. The main propulsion systems utilized are high-pressure KVN-98/64IIM and KVG-3 boilers with RG-1134 hydraulic control systems, while the latest Project 956E and 956EM ships utilize KVG-3 boilers with RG-1134 electrohydraulic control systems (OAO SKBK, St. Petersburg).

          A two-casing GTZA-674 (Kirov Plant, St. Petersburg) with a capacity of 50 hp was used as the steam turbine unit. Two-casing GTZAs include high-pressure turbines (HPT) with a rotation speed of 7100 rpm and low-pressure turbines (LPT) with a rotation speed of 6000 rpm. The reverse turbine is located in the LPT housing. The gearbox is a cylindrical, two-stage, power-splitting unit.

          Did the Chinese change it to a gas turbine themselves?
          1. -2
            April 27 2026 09: 49
            Quote from solar
            Can you tell me where I can read about this?

            The fact is that the 956EM was equipped with high-pressure gas turbine boilers KVG-3D.
            1. +7
              April 27 2026 09: 59
              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              The fact is that the 956EM was equipped with high-pressure gas turbine boilers KVG-3D.

              An oxymoron. It's like considering a turbocharged diesel engine a gas turbine engine. Turbocharged—okay...
              1. +8
                April 27 2026 10: 54
                It's likely that someone made a mistake and it spread across the internet. The boiler could be gas-tube, and not gas turbine.
                1. +2
                  April 27 2026 11: 00
                  Quote from solar
                  Someone probably made a mistake and it spread online. The boiler may be a gas-tube boiler, not a gas turbine.

                  Not exactly, that particular type is equipped with a combustion air turbocharger. But yeah, journalists are what they are.
                  1. +4
                    April 27 2026 11: 11
                    Turbocharging does not make a boiler a gas turbine. In fact, the term "gas turbine boiler" is only used online to refer to this specific case.
                    A gas-tube boiler is a common type of boiler.
                    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Газотрубный_котёл
              2. +2
                April 27 2026 11: 20
                Turbocharged - possible...

                Don't stoop to the level of our journalists, for whom turbocharged and masturbated are the same thing...
                1. 0
                  April 27 2026 12: 39
                  Quote: Dedok
                  don't stoop to the level of our journalists

                  Turbocharged, in reference to a turbocharged engine, is a common term. And what's rare for common terms is a proper one.
                  1. 0
                    April 27 2026 14: 06
                    Turbocharged, in relation to an engine with a turbocharger, is a common definition.

                    I can remind you of the story of Nikita Izotov, do you remember him, back in the pre-Stakhanovite period?
                    So, his name was Nikifor, but he became Nikita, thanks to the laziness of just one journalist... and so it is here
                    and supercharging can be mechanical, gas-dynamic (colloquially known as turbocharging) and combined...
            2. +4
              April 27 2026 10: 27
              So the steam turbines remained the same, GTZA-674, but replacing the boilers turned the engine into a gas turbine? Frankly, it's not entirely clear how replacing a steam boiler with the same steam turbine can transform the power plant into a gas turbine. They operate on different operating principles.
              High-pressure gas turbine boiler KVG-3D designed to provide steam turbines of the main ship power plant and is a modernized version of the KVG-3 boiler developed in 1982.

              https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2024207
              1. 0
                April 27 2026 20: 36
                The KVG-3D high-pressure gas turbine boiler is designed to provide steam to the turbines of the main ship power plant and is a modernized version of the KVG-3 boiler developed in 1982.

                A simple version with diesel fuel injectors
            3. +4
              April 27 2026 11: 05
              gas turbine boilers
              belay oh these storytellers laughing
              Simple:
              Boiler-turbine engine - an engine with an external combustion chamber
              Gas turbine - an engine with an internal combustion chamber
              This is a fundamental difference.
              1. +1
                April 27 2026 11: 12
                A boiler-gas turbine is an engine with an external combustion chamber, but located inside!
                1. +1
                  April 27 2026 11: 20
                  And the boiler-gas turbine

                  It's hard to imagine. Unless a waste heat boiler is installed at the gas turbine outlet to utilize the hot gases leaving the gas turbine, which is what they do.
                  1. +2
                    April 27 2026 12: 40
                    Quote from solar
                    It's hard to imagine such a thing.

                    Well, it's a joke.
                2. +2
                  April 27 2026 11: 34
                  boiler-gas turbine
                  good laughing laughing laughing
                  As they used to write - yapadstalom lol hi
            4. +6
              April 27 2026 20: 25
              Greetings, Andrew!
              Don't tell anyone else about these boilers. They're no different from the KVN-98 boilers. The superheater has been slightly redesigned, and the TNA-3 turbocharger has been replaced with a TNA4-2. I've seen similar boilers before, having served the Motherland well.
              1. +3
                April 27 2026 20: 32
                Quote: Victor Leningradets
                Don't tell anyone else about these boilers.

                Fine:)))
      2. +4
        April 27 2026 11: 18
        Quote: ism_ek
        What do liberals have to do with this? They're not the ones who destroy a ship in a couple of long voyages. The problem lies in the "clumsiness" and "incompetence" of our sailors.

        The problem is that, unlike people, you can't command hardware. You can't persuade it to be patient. If the scheduled replacement of the EM boiler tubes is successfully missed because the budget only covered the maintenance of the heavy aircraft carrier's main power plant, then the boilers will be ruined.
        The Project 956 destroyer was undone by the financial shortages of the 90s. The tasks remained, but there was no money to complete them.
        1. +2
          April 27 2026 12: 00
          Quote: Alexey RA
          The problem is that, unlike people, you can't command hardware. You can't persuade it to be patient. If the scheduled time for tube replacement

          If you don't understand the problem, why write all this nonsense? At our plant, these tubes last 30...40 years.
          The difference between these boilers and conventional ones is that the burning gas goes through the tubes, and not the other way around.
          The thing is, the tubes contain spirals (turbulators) made of a very expensive, heat-resistant material. They mix the hot gases and prevent the tubes from burning out.
          These turbulators are often stolen. Without them, the tubes would start to burn.
          Replacing a tube properly in a ship's environment is difficult. Cracks will form at the welds.
          1. +2
            April 27 2026 20: 43
            The difference between these boilers and conventional ones is that the burning gas goes through the tubes, and not the other way around.
            The thing is, the tubes contain spirals (turbulators) made of a very expensive, heat-resistant material. They mix the hot gases and prevent the tubes from burning out.

            Tomorrow I'll talk to the chief designer about these boilers!
            They had to stage a whole revolution on the sly! Run gas through some pipes, and water and steam through others. lol
            In reality, the boiler, like any other boiler, simply operates under turbocharging with excess gas pressure of up to 2,4 kg/cm². This reduces the boiler's weight and dimensions, but requires precise and fast-acting automation.
            1. +1
              April 27 2026 21: 19
              Quote: Victor Leningradets
              They had to stage a whole revolution on the sly! Run gas through some pipes, and water and steam through others.

              It's simpler. Examples of gas-tube boilers include the common samovar or "titan" (water heater).
              1. 0
                April 28 2026 05: 09
                It's simpler. Examples of gas-tube boilers include the common samovar or "titan" (water heater).

                However, these boilers have nothing to do with the KVG-3D. This boiler is a traditional gas-tight, turbocharged, natural circulation boiler. Water and steam are contained in the tubes and manifolds, while gases are contained in the firebox and intertube space.
            2. 0
              April 27 2026 22: 32
              Let the gas flow through one pipe, and water and steam through the other.

              Gas tube boiler.
              https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Газотрубный_котёл
  6. +6
    April 27 2026 06: 16
    The Project 956 Sarych destroyers are, in my opinion, among the most harmonious and beautiful. China certainly did a good job not sending them to the brig...
    1. +6
      April 27 2026 09: 42
      1155 is no worse. Also quite beautiful and harmonious. hi
  7. +2
    April 27 2026 06: 21
    Gas turbine production in China isn't entirely localized. That's why they're experimenting with high-pressure boilers.
    1. +6
      April 27 2026 07: 57
      Quote: ism_ek
      The production of gas turbines in China is not completely localized.

      In 2019, localization was 95%.
      Quote: ism_ek
      That's why they are experimenting with high-pressure boilers.

      They don't experiment with anything, they just install gas turbines and don't worry about it.
  8. +4
    April 27 2026 06: 24
    but it turns out that it is an ancient boiler-turbine installation

    It seems that the Chinese ones were equipped with gas turbine units from the moment they were built.
    1. +8
      April 27 2026 06: 42
      Absolutely right, GTZA-674.
      1. +1
        April 27 2026 09: 26
        The same thing was on the Soviet ones - GTZA-674.
      2. +3
        April 27 2026 11: 17
        GTZA-674
        You are probably misinterpreting the abbreviation GTZA; it doesn't stand for gas turbine or anything, but for Main Turbo Gear Unit - a turbine(s) and gearbox combined into a single unit with power transmission to the shaft line.
        1. +7
          April 27 2026 12: 45
          Quote: Popandos
          You are probably misinterpreting the abbreviation GTZA.

          Quote: Alexey RA
          All my life I believed that GTZA is the Main Turbo-Toothed Unit.

          The confusion arose elsewhere: someone called the KVG-3D boilers gas turbines, which led me to assume the unit was also a gas turbine. Since I'd only heard this vaguely, instead of immediately referring to the KVG-3D, I mistakenly referred to the GTZA.
          In short, I screwed up and got into trouble:)))))
      3. +2
        April 27 2026 11: 23
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        Absolutely right, GTZA-674.

        *scratches his head thoughtfully... All my life I believed that GTZA is the Main Turbo-Toothed Unit.
      4. +1
        April 27 2026 20: 45
        The GTZA-674 is a two-cylinder steam turbine with a reversible gearbox. It is the successor to the TV-12.
  9. + 11
    April 27 2026 07: 13
    "Repair, paint and throw away" (one of the Laws of Life of the domestic fleet...)
    1. +2
      April 27 2026 08: 44
      Are you talking about the cruiser Admiral Nakhimov? But the Admiral Kuznetsov wasn't so lucky; it's stuck. Perhaps, after the end of the Second World War, there'll be money for it too. All the new ships, with the completion date, have been shifted to the right.
      1. 0
        April 27 2026 14: 07
        Ah, the Admiral Kuznetsov wasn't so lucky; it's frozen. Perhaps, after the end of the Second World War, money will become available for it, too.
        The head of VTB said that after a hundred billion repair, the debt should be written off. But maybe he wouldn't mind taking some more money for the repairs and writing it off later.
  10. AMG
    +8
    April 27 2026 08: 01
    Where did three Shtil SAM launchers with a stock of 36 missiles come from, if according to many sources the armament consisted of two single-beam 3S90 launchers with a total stock of 48 missiles?
  11. +5
    April 27 2026 08: 05
    The boiler-turbine unit is the main mistake. Yes, the capacity of the gas turbine plant in Ukraine was not sufficient for all the projects, but a strong-willed decision had to be made to build a second plant in the Rybinsk region (as part of the creation of a scientific and technical cluster for the creation of gas turbine units for energy and transport systems). request
    1. +3
      April 27 2026 08: 46
      When the chips were down in 2014, a full-fledged production facility was built in Rybinsk.
      1. +1
        April 27 2026 23: 54
        Quote: Sergey39
        When the rooster pecked his ass in 2014, they built in Full-fledged production in Rybinsk.
        not quite so (!). winked It's a stretch to call it fully functional. Mainly because Rybinsk has only been able to produce two types of gas turbine engines (M-70FRU and M-90FR) so far. But most importantly The issue of rhythmic and high-quality production of gearboxes has not been resolved to marine gas turbine engines. And yes, these (new two type of gas turbine engine, with their subspecies and variations), are very different from those types of Gas Turbine Engines, (most likely not only in terms of power output, but also in terms of dimensions !!) which were produced at Zorya-Mashproekt and formed the power plants for example the BPK-1155 or SKR-1135...(!) Yes
        Otherwise, there would be no problems with the hang-up in repairs and modernizations either with the project 1155, or with the construction of the 11356RM series...!!! wink
        And since to this day the main issue remains unresolved - the creation Marine Gas Turbine Engine Manufacturing Center, where the main emphasis would be placed primarily on the REDUCERS, which would be able to connect the normal operation of even these two (Well, for now, and in the future there will be others types of gas turbine engines) M-70FRU and M-90FR ..!!! That is why there is no progress with the creation (building) a new type of EM or as many called it, - increased in size by 7-8 frigates 22350-M or 9000 tons. VI.
        So for now, call a full replacement, and moving away from dependence on Zorya-Mashproekt, the release of only two types of engines by Rybinsk Saturn is, to put it mildly, premature!!!
        However, all the failed shipbuilding programs for the Navy have already proven this repeatedly what ...
    2. +1
      April 27 2026 10: 23
      Alas... There were no clusters back then (personally, I don't like that name; a center would be better!). And there were old men at the helm and at the oars. But at least life was better under them.
    3. +3
      April 27 2026 11: 28
      The boiler-turbine unit is the main mistake,
      No, you can't say that, the problem with the gas turbine unit is an economic move, there is a solution, a combined unit with diesel engines, but then the entire power plant swells.
      The KTU with an economical course is simpler, but other disadvantages emerge.
      In a word, the main power plant on ships is ALWAYS a compromise, on vessels it is simpler.
      1. +1
        April 29 2026 07: 41
        In any case, the "academics" should have been kicked out of the Sarychi project. They proposed and achieved the creation of a boiler-turbine unit with maximum operating parameters, and thus killed the project. They wanted medals and glory (like Academician Glushko, who killed rocket engines that didn't meet the maximum pressure parameters) and inflicted great damage on the USSR. Our destroyers of the 50s, the reliable, seaworthy workboats of the navy, are a role model. hi
  12. + 16
    April 27 2026 08: 30
    The author doesn't really understand what he's writing about.
    There were no ZRAK Kashtan signs on Important and Thoughtful.
    The problem with the Project 956 ships' propulsion systems isn't the lack of blade production, but the organization of the BC-5. The designer envisioned a cruiser-style organization for the ship's electromechanical warhead: divisions and groups with extended-term enlisted personnel and warrant officers at the most critical combat stations, which required a large number of professionally trained specialists to maintain the equipment. However, the customer deemed this staffing arrangement too expensive in terms of payroll costs and cut the BC-5 staff. As a result, they ended up with incompetent conscripts handling expensive equipment. The most common failure of the ship's propulsion system was the burnout of boiler tubes due to a leak in boiler water.
    1. +1
      April 27 2026 11: 28
      Quote: bpk572
      The problem with the power plant of Project 956 ships is not the lack of blade production, but the organization of the BC-5.

      If I remember correctly, there were also problems with the timing and scope of repairs. In the 90s, the navy simply didn't have the money to replace the tubes in the submarine boilers.
    2. 0
      April 27 2026 20: 48
      The most common failure of a ship's power plant was the burnout of boiler tubes due to the leakage of boiler water.

      And accidents of the TNA due to the settling of the moving supports.
    3. 0
      April 27 2026 21: 07
      Quote: bpk572
      The most common failure of a ship's power plant was the burnout of boiler tubes due to the leakage of boiler water.

      The Russian fleet's favorite problem since the time of the first Varyag. request
  13. +2
    April 27 2026 08: 34
    More ships that were of no use................................
    1. +5
      April 27 2026 13: 22
      Yeah... They're chopping nonstop. I might be missing something, but here's what I'm hearing:
      - The Peter the Great cruiser (25000 t) is going to be torn down - modernization is expensive - and this is despite the fact that the vessel is floating and the Nakhimov cruiser was recently modernized, so there is no need to discover America.
      - TARK Ushakov (25000t) - already being cut
      - Aircraft carrier Kuznetsov (55000 tons) - also there (they say it’s expensive to maintain)
      - Project 1155 large anti-submarine ship (7500 t) is actively being scrapped
      Well, yeah, as far as modernization goes, just write it off and no problem. I can understand if we were launching five new ships a year... But I don't think there are even any new projects for 25-60 thousand tons.
      1. 0
        April 27 2026 18: 40
        The Project 941 submarines are also being assembled for the cutter
        Although they seem to want to turn Dmitry Donskoy into a museum
        Unique boats
  14. +5
    April 27 2026 08: 52
    The Sarych was superior to the Spruance in artillery (2x2x130 mm versus 2x1x127 mm), and there was parity in anti-ship weapons (8 Moskits versus 8 Harpoons).

    It had a vastly superior artillery force, given its rate of fire, but there was no parity in terms of anti-ship missiles, as the heavy Moskit flew three times faster than the Harpoon, and it was only decades later that our "esteemed partners" learned to intercept it...
  15. 0
    April 27 2026 09: 24
    It's sad.

    It was a nice article.
  16. 0
    April 27 2026 09: 36
    Isn't Spurence a frigate?
    1. +2
      April 27 2026 10: 23
      No, the frigates are the Oliver Hazard Perry.
      1. 0
        April 27 2026 10: 38
        Exactly! My memory is already leaky.
  17. +1
    April 27 2026 09: 39
    Chinese modernization is understandable; they use their ships until the very end.
    But we don’t have the financial resources for new aircraft carriers and heavy cruisers.
    1. +3
      April 27 2026 10: 39
      We don’t lack funds, but many of our managers lack conscience.
      1. +2
        April 28 2026 10: 15
        There are funds in the budget, but they are used for other purposes.
        For example, the construction of the Yelets campus in Kyrgyzstan for 15 billion rubles.
  18. +4
    April 27 2026 10: 41
    Yeah, it's a shame about these ships, but at least they've upgraded the 1155 BPK's air defense to the level of the much smaller 20380 corvettes. It's ridiculous: a truly powerful seaworthy ship has air defense with a 10-kilometer range. As for the Sarychs, they should also be re-equipped with Shtil-1 missiles with new 70-kilometer-range missiles, because the Pacific Fleet has virtually no seaworthy ships with area air defense, and they're desperately needed there, both in the patrol areas of our SSBNs and in the standoff between the US and China.
  19. +3
    April 27 2026 11: 26
    A very strange and poorly understood story. Of course, it will be interesting to follow the further exploitation of Soviet/Russian Sarychs in the PLA Navy, because there are more questions than answers.
    Answers:
    1. Gorbachev is to blame for everything.
    2. Or Yeltsin.
    3. Or liberals.
    4. Or democrats.
    5. Or the Polovtsians with the Pechenegs.
    6. In extreme cases - Hitler with Napoleon.
    7. In the most extreme case - some unknown forces, and in general "We lost the country, and now we're talking about some destroyers." (with)
    request
    "You're on the right track, comrades!" (C)
    good
    1. +5
      April 27 2026 16: 59
      1. Gorbachev is to blame for everything.
      2. Or Yeltsin.
      3. Or liberals.
      4. Or democrats.
      5. Or the Polovtsians with the Pechenegs.
      6. In extreme cases - Hitler with Napoleon.
      It's all Chubais's fault! wink
      1. +1
        April 27 2026 18: 06
        By the way, yes. Unforgettable.
        Let Chubais go under number 8.
        Who's number 9? I suggest Nabiullina.
        laughing
  20. +4
    April 27 2026 12: 16
    It seems they've decided to cut down their surface fleet. How are we going to protect tanker convoys? 4000-ton Gorshkov-class submarines? They won't get us very far...
    1. 0
      April 27 2026 13: 44
      Quote: tehnix
      How will we protect tanker convoys?
      If our bourgeoisie sell oil to their enemies, they themselves will start guarding these tankers.
      1. +2
        April 27 2026 14: 02
        Protect??? ...Trump showed how to do things without buying oil... by arresting the tanker "Mariner" under our flag and selling its cargo...
        1. +2
          April 27 2026 14: 18
          Quote: tehnix
          Trump showed how to do things without buying oil.
          Yes, if it weren't for the sanctions, we'd at least have started doing something about "import substitution." If it weren't for the chaos at sea, the merchants wouldn't have remembered our warships. The reference to "protecting" our tankers, above, was ironic and sarcastic.
    2. 0
      April 27 2026 15: 52
      Actually, there are only one, two, three, four of them and that's it...
  21. 0
    April 27 2026 14: 17
    Ships of the 1st and 2nd ranks have no business today in the closed seas (the Baltic and Black Seas) surrounded by NATO countries, otherwise they will share the fate of the guided missile cruiser "Moskva", and the Sarych-class guided missile destroyers remaining in the Baltic Fleet are better off being transferred to the Pacific Fleet or sold to the Chinese for drink...
    1. 0
      April 27 2026 18: 25
      The EM Nastoychivyi can only navigate the Baltic under tugboats, so it definitely won't make it to the Pacific Fleet.
    2. 0
      April 29 2026 21: 06
      The Peter the Great heavy cruiser, with its 25000 tons, really has no business in the Baltic, but the Sarychs... Up to 8000 tons is just fine. They can carry missiles, and their displacement isn't that great.
      1. 0
        April 30 2026 00: 15
        Quote: tehnix
        The Peter the Great heavy cruiser with its 25000 tons really has no business being in the Baltic.

        He's not there, thank God.
        And Sarychi... Up to 8000 tons is just fine. You can load missiles on it, and the displacement isn't that big.

        He won't have time to release them. When the USSR, the Polish People's Republic, the GDR, neutral Finland, and Sweden existed, keeping guided missile destroyers/guided missile carriers in the Baltic was justified (even the Polish Navy had one destroyer during the Cold War). Now, keeping larger corvettes there is pointless; the emphasis should be on water defense ships, large missile complexes, and unmanned aerial vehicles.
        I don't know why they're deploying a motorized infantry division to the Kaliningrad region now. It would be more practical to deploy another motorized division there. It seems the Baltics, like the Finnish island territories, have been "condemned" by their superiors.
        The core of the NATO naval forces in the Baltics is the frigate of guided missiles, submarines and diesel-electric submarines.
        1. 0
          April 30 2026 08: 28
          He won't have time to release them.

          It's like how the area will be protected. If it's like the Black Sea, then keeping ships there is completely contraindicated. They can oversleep anything. And... yes, you don't need many destroyers there, but these "old-timers" are quite possible. If necessary, they will provide access to the ocean. Otherwise, yes, I would focus on corvettes, small vessels (missile, air defense, anti-submarine) up to 2000 tons, but they need an intermediate base, otherwise they won't get further than Latvia. Destroyers - they can. The Baltic is hermetically sealed by Denmark and Germany. That's why we're pressing for Kaliningrad, otherwise our merchants will be "robbed without leaving the cash register."
    3. 0
      April 29 2026 21: 16
      Speaking of Sarychi, there's a funny thing about the boiler-turbine power plant...which is why they smoke like battleships from the beginning of the century. lol Well, there's no time for luxury. It'll do for the Baltics, and the plant is still in Kirov, not Ukraine. They'll be able to walk around and scare the Balts. The main thing is, they say they'll guzzle any fuel... You could even fill it with moonshine.
  22. 0
    April 27 2026 14: 38
    The main difference between China and us is that it desires dominance both at sea and globally. Hence, its naval development is primarily aimed at protecting ships carrying oil and gas, which China needs like air. China has already exceeded the capacity of its own market and is actively exporting everything. But we don't really need this. Essentially, we have our own raw material base for high-tech production and agriculture. We have a real problem with clothing. And we don't grow cotton, which is needed for both clothing and gunpowder. We are capable of making microelectronics ourselves. We just need to understand where this electronics are needed—the military and manufacturing industries don't need the same level of nanochips as smartphones and gaming computers. And we certainly don't need our own large merchant fleet—that should be the responsibility of customers, as well as the security of their purchased goods. Not a single store in the world is responsible for someone taking their goods from a customer outside the store. This simply needs to be communicated to the state: we shipped the goods to you at our border, even if it's through pipelines—the rest is your problem. Just don't shoulder other people's problems. And essentially, there's no need to carry someone else's cargo under guard. As for ship engines, is it possible and necessary to build some ships with methane-fueled gas turbine engines, the smaller ones, and nuclear power plants for the larger ones?! If methane tanks are damaged, the gas will simply evaporate unless it explodes, unlike diesel fuel or oil. This is purely from a layman's perspective. Methane-fueled locomotives have already begun to be built—in northern conditions, this is an additional advantage, as the fuel won't freeze in freezing temperatures.
    1. +1
      April 27 2026 21: 14
      Quote: Victor Alien
      You just need to understand where this electronics is needed - for the military and manufacturing, the level of nanochips needed for smartphones and gaming computers is not necessary.

      Who told you that? Wouldn't you like to take a look at the drones? Do you think they're just tubes? wassat
  23. +1
    April 27 2026 14: 38
    They were built with the aim of countering the US Navy's Spruance-class destroyers in distant sea and ocean zones, primarily.

    As far as I remember, the Spruance-class guided missile destroyers were built to replace the Ticonderoga-class guided missile cruisers, which proved expensive even for the US. Then came the Arleigh Burke-class guided missile destroyers, which were built like hotcakes and replaced the Spruance.

    The Soviet "Arleigh Burke" could probably have been the EM 11551 "Fregat-M" project.
    The last Soviet destroyer was Project 11551 "Fregat-M." Shipbuilders managed to fit the armament of Projects 956 and 1155 into a single hull. The series was destined to be a landmark; three ships were laid down between 1989 and 1991, but the new Russia had no need for such ships (or any others that could threaten its Western friends). By 1998, with great difficulty, only the lead ship, "Admiral Chabanenko," was completed. The rest were dismantled on the slipway. Clearly, the due date for a mid-life overhaul was long overdue, and equally clear, none took place.

    https://donrf.livejournal.com/13944.html?ysclid=moh46qo23p573798307
    1. +1
      April 27 2026 22: 48
      As far as I "remember", the Spruance-class guided missile destroyers were built to replace the Ticonderoga-class guided missile cruisers.

      "Spruance"s were built in 1972-1983. Ticonderogi - since 1983 based on Sprance.
      The hull and mechanisms of the Spruance-class destroyer were used as the basis for the development.
  24. 0
    April 27 2026 16: 26
    "It's stupid to spend six years repairing a ship and then write it off three years after the repairs are completed."
    This is sabotage and embezzlement. Stupidity, first and foremost.
  25. +2
    April 27 2026 18: 23
    I don't know where the author got the Sarych's performance characteristics, but the Kashtan SAM system was never used there. And the Shtil's ammunition complement consisted of 48 SAMs, with 24 missiles per launcher. I'd like Roman to be more careful in his information gathering when writing articles. This is a rather specialized website, after all, and not the Rural Herald.
  26. +2
    April 27 2026 20: 54
    The boiler-turbine power plant is to blame for this dismal outcome. The main problem is that at the Kirov-Energomash plant in St. Petersburg, where the GTZAs were manufactured, turbine blade production has long since ceased, and there are no specialists left.

    Tomorrow I'll tell the people of Kirov that they're no experts, and the steam turbines for the 22220 are without blades, since production has been shut down. laughing
  27. 0
    April 28 2026 05: 02
    The main thing for the Russian Navy is to have pennants for parades and to please the highest eyes.
  28. 0
    April 28 2026 08: 26
    The "Persistent" is essentially a dummy—the propulsion system is faulty and sits like a museum. The problem with these destroyers, like the third-generation nuclear submarines, is the lack of modernization facilities—no one to modernize them and nothing to upgrade them with. The technology is lost, the personnel are lacking, the funding is lacking—the Borei and Yasen submarines have eaten it all.
  29. 0
    April 29 2026 19: 43
    The problem isn't the ship's modernization, but the problem with the cathode-turbine unit, specifically the firebricks. The factory that produced them was demolished long ago, meaning the technology is lost, and they're being produced in China. That's the whole story. If you can't overhaul the propulsion system, then modernization isn't appropriate!
  30. 0
    April 30 2026 17: 35
    What buzzards!? The Iranians are chasing the American fleet around the Indian Ocean, and I won't even mention the Black Sea. The ASU can do whatever they want there. Without a clear way to combat the BEC, we can't even talk about any kind of corrals!!!
  31. 0
    April 30 2026 17: 55
    A very strange and poorly understood story
    Behind every strange and poorly understood story like this, there are real people. And if the author had also conducted an investigation, identifying names and surnames, he would have been invaluable...
  32. 0
    1 May 2026 15: 12
    Testing range. Testing range and testing on operational full-scale models. Coordination, compatibility, and combat readiness in real-world conditions.
    In aviation - a wind tunnel.
    In the Navy there are real warships.
  33. 0
    2 May 2026 19: 52
    Defective managers think about only one thing... And these thoughts are not about the country of Russia and its people.
    No matter how much these defective, sloppy managers try to portray themselves as patriots, their nature as small-time profiteers, which is what they really are, gives itself away.