The US Navy used deck guns in an attack on a ship for the first time since 1988.

For the first time in 38 years, the US military used deck guns in an attack on a vessel. The US Navy destroyer Spruance fired a 127mm Mark 45 gun at the Iranian civilian container ship Touska. The shells penetrated the container ship's engine room, rendering it powerless. Special forces landing from a landing ship subsequently captured the ship.

As The War Zone portal writes, before this incident the last time the deck artillery The US Navy used the guns against another vessel on April 18, 1988, during Operation Praying Mantis in the Persian Gulf, also against an Iranian ship. However, while 38 years earlier the Iranian corvette Joshan was attacked by the US Navy, this time the deck guns were used against a civilian vessel that was unable to offer any resistance.

Tehran called the incident piracy and accused the United States of violating the ceasefire. However, given these US actions, the chances of a new round of talks with Iran in Islamabad are rapidly fading. Amid the US naval blockade of Iran, Tehran has again completely closed the Strait of Hormuz and blocked unauthorized vessels. At the same time, according to some reports, China has deployed three ships to the Gulf of Oman to escort its merchant vessels. Therefore, the US may face difficulties in continuing to block the Strait of Hormuz: it is one thing to attack and stop civilian vessels, and quite another to try to control maritime traffic covered by Chinese military vessels. fleet.

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[expert]

And why "the guns"?
The American has one gun.

[novel66]

Out of habit. Starboard side – 40 formidable guns, port side – 40 formidable guns, chase and chase...

[expert]

"The flagship frigate turned sideways
And the left side was painted with smoke.
The return volley is by eye and at random.
There is fire and death in the distance. Good luck with us!"
V.S. Vysotsky

[knn54]

D. Trump's Corsairs, however.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

It's tempting to think about our navy and its fight against Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles and drones. How are our multi-barrel 30mm cannons doing?

[expert]

It's not about what tool you have, but how you use it.
For example, during Operation Aspides on February 24, 2024, the German frigate Nessen shot down a Houthi drone with its 76mm onboard gun.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

So, what was I talking about? I haven't heard of a single instance of our ships successfully using cannon artillery against unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) and drones. Is there any explanation for this?

[expert]

It's even scary to start discussing this topic.
What remains of the Red Banner Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation is locked in Novorossiysk.
It hurts and offends.

[carpenter]

Quote: Fachmann

Oh, what's left of the Red Banner Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation is locked in Novorossiysk.

As G.K. Zhukov said:
— Do you know what Russia does first when a war starts?
— Is he publishing a royal manifesto or an appeal to the people?
- Incorrect.
— Declares mobilization?
- Нет.
- And what?
— The fleet is sinking!

If necessary, I can write.

[expert]

No, no, there's no need to write anything else. So, everything is clear...

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

It's quite caustic, but it doesn't seem true. It's unlikely Zhukov said anything like that.

[carpenter]

Quote: carpenter

If necessary, I can write.

I think you know who Felix Chuev is.
Here is an excerpt from his conversation:
Another of Zhukov's responses stuck in my memory. The marshal was asked why he didn't speak highly of the sailors.

"And you tell me, what does Russia do first when a war starts?" Georgy Konstantinovich answered a question with a question.

Publishes the Tsar's manifesto or appeal to the people...

Wrong.

Announces mobilization by districts...

No.

So what?

Sinks the fleet!

And this is also Zhukov.

[novel66]

The Red Banner Baltic Fleet is no better. The Swedes and Finns are fine, but they don't even value the Baltic Fleet anymore.

[expert]

Oh guys, don't completely ruin your mood before bed.

[eugen_caro]

Here, Ulyan Repka claims that the orcs have already sunk 20% of the Russian Black Sea Fleet: rkMoskva\bdkSaratov\plRostov-on-Don\bdk N.Cherkassk\Ts.Kunikov\skTarantula\pk S.Kotov-, and up to a dozen smaller ones... - of course, it's painful and offensive... - but there are probably still some pls left in the Black Sea Fleet - why aren't they used to destroy various junk heading to the orc ports... or to lay minefields in front of them?... and the statement that ships at bases can be protected is also interesting mesh with variegated netting !!!.....actually, back in 23rd year I mentioned that the RIA used (and even tried to do it while underway) anti-mine nets, which are normally installed on ships...why aren't the Black Sea Fleet admirals even interested in the history of their own fleet?...and do we need such commanders and such a fleet?

[expert]

Why, how did it happen, what to do,
These are not questions for me.
Regards

[eugen_caro]

Here, Ulyan Repka claims that the orcs have already sunk 20% of the Russian Black Sea Fleet: rkMoskva\bdkSaratov\plRostov-on-Don\bdk N.Cherkassk\Ts.Kunikov\skTarantula\pk S.Kotov-, and up to a dozen smaller ones... - of course, it's painful and offensive... - but there are probably still some pls left in the Black Sea Fleet - why aren't they used to destroy various junk heading to the orc ports... or to lay minefields in front of them?... and the statement that ships at bases can be protected is also interesting mesh with variegated netting !!!.....Actually, back in 23rd year I mentioned that the RIA used (and even tried to use while underway) anti-mine nets, which are normally installed on ships...Why aren't the Black Sea Fleet admirals even interested in the history of their own fleet?...And do we need such commanders and such a fleet?[/quote]

[Perpetually]

Is it easier to trash everyone than to research? Search for "fighting backdoors," watch the video, try to visualize it, and then lay out the rules for fighting backdoors with cannon artillery here. You'll get a medal, but most likely a "Stulov" one.
https://yandex.ru/video/preview/16670403281110915391 для примера

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

So you're saying that automatic naval guns aren't designed to shoot down fart-flying aircraft or destroy motorboats? So how can they possibly shoot down cruise missiles and jets?

[Perpetually]

With a slingshot, of course. So, in your opinion, the deck guns of the holy American army can easily take down the Death Star with five shots? Or at least with a railgun with a combat laser and a shot costing less than a cent? But the Russian Navy is a loser?
Don't be ridiculous, every weapon has its own purpose. Try getting into an inflatable boat during a strong wave, grab a pneumatic gun, ask a friend to drive a radio-controlled glider around (with the goal of crashing into the boat), and try to hit the glider. To make it more realistic, close your eyes, then open them when your friend says, "Attack (from the south, north, or wherever)" (like the radar is working). You'll need to turn in the right direction, target a fast, maneuvering target in rough seas, and hit. If you hit ten times out of ten, well, I'll be damned. If not, you've wasted a ship that costs a fortune, that isn't built with the click of a mouse and diamonds, and because of you, a bunch of soldiers who spent years training have died.

[Sergey3]

In fact, naval main-caliber guns have anti-aircraft shells in their arsenals, and both the US and the USSR have had them since 1970.

[Perpetually]

Did you come up with this yourself? Haven't you heard of the angle of inclination? Main gun facing the zenith?

From your favorite vipicedia:
The zenith is the point on the celestial sphere located above the observer's head[1]. According to another definition, it is the direction pointing directly "up" above a specific location.

Do you have BECs flying over your head?

[Sergey3]

"From your favorite Wikipedia:" I don't read YOUR Wikipedia. Here's a copy of one page from a textbook:
In our country, the AK-130 has long been the most powerful naval gun. Its main advantage over foreign competitors is its high rate of fire, achieved in part by its double-barreled design. Like many modern five-inch guns, it is a versatile artillery mount capable of firing and against air targets. The AK-130's arsenal includes anti-aircraft shells with a range of 8 or 15 meters, depending on the model. Developed in the USSR back in the 1970s, this system boasts a very high rate of fire with two barrels, reaching 86-90 rounds per minute (according to various sources). The maximum firing range of high-explosive unitary ammunition is 23 kilometers, and the barrel length is 54 calibers. Currently, one such system is mounted aboard the largest domestically produced surface ship, the heavy nuclear-powered missile cruiser Pyotr Velikiy. A similar system is also mounted on the Russian Black Sea Fleet's flagship, the guided-missile cruiser Moskva, as well as on several large surface ships of the Russian Navy built in the Soviet era.

Meanwhile, modern Project 20380 corvettes are equipped with the A190 100mm single-barrel artillery mount. This model features reduced weight while maintaining a high rate of fire—up to 80 rounds per minute. The A190-01 version features a stealth turret. The maximum firing range is 21 kilometers. The altitude range when firing at air targets is 15 kilometers. In addition to corvettes, the mount is the standard armament for Project 21631 Buyan-M small missile ships, displacing only 949 tons. Meanwhile, a new 130mm A-192 Armat artillery mount was developed for modern Russian Project 22350 frigates. The mount was created based on the aforementioned AK-130 system by lightening it (reducing it to a single gun) and installing a modern fire control system. The mount's rate of fire is up to 30 rounds per minute. Its lighter weight allows it to be easily installed on modern Russian ships, even those with a small displacement—starting from 2000 tons.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich

So you're saying that automatic naval guns aren't designed to shoot down fart-flying aircraft or destroy motorboats? So how can they possibly shoot down cruise missiles and jets?

Unfortunately, if the target was not detected in advance, even a railgun and laser will not help.

In normal mode, the anti-aircraft missiles operate against pre-detected (by the ship's radar or electronic countermeasures) targets that have passed through previous air defense lines. They operate via the primary radar channel.

In the base system, most of these assets are inoperative (maintenance, preventative maintenance) or operate poorly (there are many restricted and obscured sectors—no one wants to be exposed to radar radiation). And target detection in the water area should be handled by the surface surveillance system (which has been the subject of constant cost savings over the years). Furthermore, the anti-aircraft gunship radar is poor at detecting small surface targets, so fire control relies on the sighting column. Our ships were equipped with a minimal configuration—with a ring sight dating back to the last war—because it was considered purely auxiliary and rarely used.

Karat has OEKs for Bagira, allowing it to engage targets with its sighting column day and night. But do the ships have them?
And most importantly, without advance detection and targeting, only an inveterate optimist can hope to hit a target discovered at the last moment.

And yes, most of the ships hit by the BEKs didn't have any antiaircraft guns at all. The landing ships were armed with ancient AK-725s with a blind spot near the ship, while the patrol ships had AK-176s with a blind spot at the stern.

[Cananecat]

Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich

Is there any explanation for this?

Insufficient sophisticated radar armament of ships today, coupled with the fire control system of naval artillery.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Canecat

Insufficient sophisticated radar armament of ships today, coupled with the fire control system of naval artillery.

The radar at the base isn't particularly useful, but the main threat from unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) is there.
So we'll have to work through the auxiliary channel, which has a sighting column with a "Sailor's Unarmed Eyes" type detection and guidance system.

We need OEKs. Karat, for example, offers two variants for the standard naval Bagheera: the stabilized, standalone Sfera-02 and the MP-123 TOU-mounted Sfera-02. Plus a sighting column with a mount.

[KCA]

They're doing fine, are you just sitting at the computer? And they've shown on TV many times how AK-630s are destroying BEKs.

[carpenter]

This time, deck guns were used against a civilian vessel that was unable to offer any resistance.

During WWII, Nazi raiders used artillery against civilian ships. Americans use the same weapons the Nazis did 85 years ago.
The school is the same.

[Starover_Z]

Quote: carpenter

During WWII, Hitler's raiders used artillery against civilian ships.

After reading the article, I remembered the Soviet war film "He Was Not Alone."
There, a German submarine surfaced and began firing at a small civilian vessel. But the Germans were unlucky; they were awaited with a single-barrel anti-aircraft gun and a DShK-type machine gun. The submarine sank.
(on YouTube the film runs for an hour and 13 minutes, the episode with the boat starts at 54 minutes),
So why aren't similar ambush vessels doing this now?

[Alexey RA]

Quote: carpenter

During WWII, Nazi raiders used artillery against civilian ships. Americans use the same weapons the Nazis did 85 years ago.
The school is the same.

Oh, let's not bring up the topic of sinking civilians. Otherwise, they might recall Lunin's shooting at Norwegian fishing boats, during which Red Navy sailor Alexei Labutin was washed overboard and eventually captured. And our submarines reported transports sunk by artillery fire.

[Mikhail Nasharashev]

When will they finally get something for the mattress makers?

[hottabychchchch]

The Chinese are great, they're not afraid of anyone.

[snow mountain]

Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich

It is unlikely that Zhukov said anything like that.

He might even say something like that in his heart!

[olboop]

Are these 75/76 mm guns really necessary on frigates and corvettes?
Perhaps a tribute to tradition?