Battle for the Future: Nortrop vs. Boeing

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Battle for the Future: Nortrop vs. Boeing

To quote a classic Russian poet, "The bird-two has taken off." It's no exaggeration, not a three, but a two, but it's all taking off so fast that soon duralumin feathers might rain down to the ground.

In an effort to stay ahead of rapidly evolving adversary capabilities—and the adversary, even if imaginary (China), is indeed constantly evolving—the U.S. Navy plans to move to the next phase of development of the sixth-generation manned fighter, known as the F/A-XX, by August. Despite congressional intervention, development of the next-generation carrier-based fighter has stalled since the Pentagon effectively suspended the program last year.



It must be said, quite justifiably so, because images are simply wonderful, they so excite the imagination of those who believe in them, but... They're not worth billions. That's why many in Congress preferred to wait until something more substantial than images appeared.

Chief of Naval Operations Admiral Daryl Caudle, dispatched to speak with reporters at the Sea-Air-Space 2026 exhibition, acknowledged that the uncertainty that stalled the F/A-XX's development remains. It's not as if progress isn't being made in the development of new aircraft—work on the Air Force's future fighter, the F-47, for example, is advancing at an impressive pace—but with the naval fighter... Yes, things aren't so rosy with the F/A-XX. It's not even hatched yet, it's not even cracking the shell yet.


The F/A-XX's current competitors are Boeing, which is also the prime contractor for the F-47, and Northrop Grumman. And here, interesting twists and turns are possible: these two ravens are ready not just to pluck each other's feathers, but to engage in a full-blown budget war. And a budget is like the Holy Grail these days, only much more tangible.

"One of the challenges we face is that not only are our competitors improving their air defense capabilities, whether air-to-air or surface-to-air, but also that more affordable yet highly effective weapons are attracting more and more players to the battlefield who require the same level of stealth and technology," Caudle said. "So it's not that we need an adversary at our level. It's simply an aircraft that can operate in uncertain environments and with an acceptable level of risk."

And he bent it beautifully, didn't he? "Uncertainty with an acceptable level of risk"The phrase is simply platinum. However, the logic is flawed: if the situation is uncertain, how can one calculate the level of risk in this uncertainty? If everything is uncertain?

Admiral Caudle frequently speaks to journalists, and such chatter is his specialty. Like other politicians, he sometimes seems unaware of what he's saying.

For example, in January, the admiral noted that growing threats could come from smaller states, including Iran, as well as non-state actors. To say such a thing about a country ranked 17th in terms of territory and population is, at the very least, interesting. Especially since three months later, that country set the world on its ear and brought the US to the negotiating table on its terms.

Caudle reiterated that he has, however, "repeatedly" stated the need for a next-generation carrier-based fighter and "many times" told Deputy Secretary of Defense Steve Feinberg that the Navy must have this aircraft. According to Caudle, this is important both for the future of the carrier air wing and for cooperation and planning with the MQ-25 Stingray, a carrier-based fighter. drone- a Boeing-built tanker that is expected to reach initial operational capability later this year.


"It's related to our MQ-25, which provides stealthy refueling. It's related to our range. It's related to our work to create a carrier air wing that will remain effective in the future, given the range at which we can safely operate," Caudle said. "So the need for it is clear."


Although it was recently reported that the US Navy, having received funding from Congress for the development of the new F/A-XX fighter, planned to award a contract for the program by the end of the year, according to Caudle, the most likely deadline is now August. On the other hand, it's not the money that's at stake. It's the tears of hope.

In the Pentagon's budget request for fiscal year 2026, the F/A-XX program was effectively abandoned, with only $74 million allocated. This, you understand, is purely to keep the specialists from running away.

American officials then stated that this decision was driven primarily by concerns about the ability of the US industrial base to simultaneously develop two sixth-generation fighters, the other being the F-47. Northrop and Boeing predictably howled and deployed all their resources in the Senate and Congress. And since lobbying is the foundation of all financial and political activity in the US, Congress intervened and appropriated $1,69 billion for the F/A-XX through regular budget appropriations and the One Big Beautiful Bill Act.

Budget-wise, the Navy's next-generation fighter program is lagging far behind the F-47 program, which has already received billions of dollars in funding and is expected to receive approximately $5 billion more in fiscal year 2027. Apparently, the Navy isn't going to fall behind, requesting an additional $140 million for its new carrier-based fighter as part of the proposed $1,5 trillion defense budget for the next fiscal year.

It's really not much, but rivers form from streams. Like the Mississippi.


We have a lot of aircraft there. We have the F-35 program. We have the F-47 program. You know, we're still building the F/A-18 Super Hornet... We're building a lot of aircraft," Adm. Caudle said. "The Air Force has a lot of demand in that area. The Navy fleet There's a lot of demand... One of the contractors who was supposed to build this plane for us is in such a position that they really won't be able to deliver it on time. So, you know, in this decision, we took the principle of "measure twice, cut once." And now, I think we all agree that we needed to think this through carefully. I have no objections.

Let's say "not against" isn't the same as being completely "for." Here, the Defense Department is more likely taking the position of "And we'll pay the winner a courtesy call." With a sack of money, naturally. No one knows how much is in the sack, because approved figures are one thing, and the perpetual project cost increases and additional payments from Congress (often exceeding the original amounts) are another.

So Boeing and Northrop Grumman are locked in a battle for the development and, most importantly, production of the F/A-XX, a program that first took shape in 2012. And back then, by the way, there really was a “bird of three,” but these two participants very harshly cut out the third contender from the division – the company Lockheed Martin, which, in the words of aviation language, in March 2025, "it started to smoke and went down."

Last August, Northrop Grumman released a rendering of its aircraft concept. The image showed a streamlined nose and landing gear at the front of the aircraft, along with the slogan "Project Power Anywhere." Boeing's concept, unveiled the same month, visually resembles the US Air Force's F-47 Next-Generation Air Dominance fighter.


Let's just say a couple of drawings for 74 million isn't much. Everyone, of course, wants more details.

Citing secrecy, Admiral Caudle stated that he could not provide any information about the design or payload characteristics that would allow the US Navy to confidently pursue the F/A-XX despite the adversary threats he mentioned. However, he suggested that speed is becoming increasingly important for maintaining superiority.

"We're monitoring the situation very closely, conducting rigorous red-ballistic exercises, and assessing this threat against the projected trajectory to see if existing technologies can outperform it," he said. "So I think we're doing well in that regard, but we know that our existing aircraft could become vulnerable to some of these threats by the time they enter service... Because that takes time. Our existing aircraft could become vulnerable to some of these threats, and we want to make sure that future aircraft are fully capable of participating in combat operations."

Despite Caudle's comments today, it's important to remember that this isn't the first time significant progress has appeared to be on the horizon in developing a next-generation fighter for the US Navy. Last October, Reuters reported that the program had received Defense Secretary Pete Heggett's approval and that a contract was expected soon.

However, given that this whole mess has been going on since 2012, when the first moves toward the sixth generation began, at this rate, China and especially Russia could indeed develop countermeasures that would put the sixth-generation fighters in serious trouble. If Iran can knock down quite modern US aircraft, then more advanced and trained militaries would be in for a treat.

On the same day that the admiral answered questions about the future of the F/A-XX sixth-generation naval fighter program, saying the final choice between Boeing and Northrop Grumman's proposals would be made in August, Northrop Grumman released a new teaser.


The war of images and videos continues, and if previously there was only one rendering of Northrop's supposed F/A-XX concept, now "the empire strikes again."

A video posted on Northrop Grumman's X account states: "We're bringing the future's horizon closer, making it sharper, faster, more powerful, and ready to go when the warfighter needs it."

Very... lofty, isn't it? "Onward and upward!" as they say. However, overall, the video was unimpressive. Lots of smoke, lots of blur, the same general design as in the drawings, but on a larger scale. Including a close-up showing the aircraft's "stealthy" tailless design, the rear air intakes, and the very wide nose and canopy.

The aircraft in the new stylized video has rather interesting proportions. The size of the landing gear and especially the canopy make it appear smaller than one might expect for a heavy sixth-generation naval fighter, which would be crammed full of fuel and weapons. Of course, this could be due to the somewhat cartoonish nature of the new video, but how accurately it depicts the Northrop Grumman F/A-XX remains to be seen. You can draw anything, but the process from drawing to actually flying a thing usually takes many years, billions, and so on.

Of course, there are some things that will go all the way from drawing to aircraft. For example, folding wings. At some angles shown in the video, you can see the weapons bay with its doors open. At first glance, these look like very massive landing gear legs, but in fact, they're curved inward. The cockpit canopy. It's hard to tell whether this is a single-seat or a two-seater. In these drawings, the canopy is so large that perhaps the crew could sit side by side, like in the Su-34, although that seems unlikely.

Again, we don't know how closely this computer model will match the real thing, but given that this aircraft is expected to carry a significant amount of ammunition and have something like a 1600-kilometer combat radius, while remaining within the confines of an aircraft carrier, it can safely be classified as a heavy fighter.

That's not the point. The main goal of all these "photos" and "videos" is to squeeze money out of Congress. That's why there's so much pathos, upbeat music, and hope for a bright future.


A bright future is worth a billion and a half dollars, maybe even more. That's plenty to fight over in behind-the-scenes battles in drawings and videos, isn't it?

I wonder who will come out on top in this confrontation?


Northrop Grumman's completed projects include the F-14, B-2, RQ-4, E/A-6B, and E-2C Hawkeye.

Boeing has a more compelling story, as its portfolio includes manufacturers such as McDonnell Douglas, North American, and Rockwell, resulting in a vast list of successful aircraft projects: the F-15, F/A-18, E/A-18, F-15, F-22, F-35, and so on. Granted, not all aircraft produced by Boeing's subsidiaries can be considered successful or efficient, but nonetheless, they entered production, and the budget funds were utilized effectively.

One can only smile at the regret that, in today's circumstances, it's impossible to bet on who will emerge victorious from this battle. I'd probably bet on Northrop. The company isn't doing as well as its competitor, and I think Northrop-Grumman will make every effort to secure the order.

So, we expect more beautiful pictures of the sixth-generation naval aircraft, more pretentious videos, and more uncompromising struggle in Congress.
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  1. + 13
    April 24 2026 04: 19
    Budget fights exist in all countries. Mikoyan pushed Polikarpov, Tupolev pushed Myasishchev, Yakovlev pushed everyone else.
    1. +3
      April 24 2026 05: 38
      I agree with you, but even without competition, it's not the best path. The state, that is, the customer, must create a happy medium.
    2. +3
      April 24 2026 17: 00
      True, the logic is flawed: if the situation is uncertain, how can one calculate the level of risk in this uncertainty? If everything is uncertain?
      Well, actually, the starting point from which everything happened was uncertainty, that is, chaos.
      A bright future is one and a half billion dollars, and maybe more.
      But 90 billion is no problem at all for Ukraine... winked
    3. 0
      April 24 2026 23: 14
      We can continue the line... Sukhoi finally sank the MiG (and there were some interesting prototypes, although the MiG-29 itself is an epic fail).. But the Yak (VTOL) was sank so badly that not a trace of the Yak-141 remained... But the helicopter war continues: the Mi-28 versus the Ka-52... and the Air Defense Forces clearly haven't declared a winner (although they seem to be rooting for the Ka-52).
  2. +4
    April 24 2026 05: 41
    "Uncertainty with an acceptable level of risk"

    In principle, this is a fairly accurate semantic translation of the concept "maybe".
  3. +2
    April 24 2026 06: 58
    Boeing has it all looking more interesting, since the company includes such manufacturers as McDonnell Douglas, North American, Rockwell, and the list of successful aviation projects is simply huge: F-15, F/A-18, E/A-18, F-15, F-22, F-35 and so on.

    Something doesn't add up, the F-22 and F35 were entirely developed by Lockheed Martin, especially the F35.
  4. +5
    April 24 2026 08: 33
    For a carrier-based aircraft, one thing is clear: it requires a minimum landing speed, which means it requires a wing of maximum area.
    To ensure minimal RCS, the only compromise design is one that is as close as possible to a "flying wing".
    To ensure maximum combat radius (everyone talks about a minimum of 1000 km) and a good payload, the aircraft must be large enough.
    And since the aircraft is a naval aviation aircraft, two engines are very desirable, and not one, like the F-35C.
    This is where both companies will "dance"...
    1. 0
      April 24 2026 17: 46
      Quote: Michael1950
      which means a wing of maximum area is required.

      Why?
      - wing installation angle
      The Vought F-8 Crusader is an American carrier-based fighter, the only production aircraft in the history of aviation with a variable wing angle in flight.

      - advanced wing mechanization
      - thrust-to-weight ratio and hook (the C-130 took off and landed on an aircraft carrier without touching its wing)
      Quote: Michael1950
      To ensure minimal RCS, the only compromise design is one that is as close as possible to a "flying wing".

      The Delta Wing isn't much worse, without the hassle of aerodynamics and directional stability. The "flying wing" is thick, so forget about supersonic speeds.

      1. Sweep angle: The greater the leading edge angle, the better the primary pulse passes “past” the radar.
      2. Edge sharpness: Rounded edges (like regular liners) disperse the signal in all directions, while sharp edges disperse it in a directional manner.
      3.V-shape: No right angles (90°) between the wing and the fuselage (avoiding the “dipole” effect).

      Quote: Michael1950
      To ensure maximum combat radius (everyone talks about a minimum of 1000 km) and a good payload, the aircraft must be large enough.

      The maximum combat radius is ensured by the fuel reserve, the efficiency of the turbojet engine, low Cx, and high aerodynamic quality.
      Payload, glider wing strength, low dry weight, and, again, high aerodynamic efficiency. There's no connection with "large aircraft," if you calculate correctly (specifically, payload/gross weight).
      1. 0
        April 24 2026 18: 16
        Quote: Michael1950
        which means a wing of maximum area is required.

        Why?

        According to the lift formula:
        Y=Cy*ϱ*V²S/2
        from here:
        V=√(2Y/Cy*ϱ*S) landing speed.
        The larger the wing area, the lower the landing speed will be.
        - wing installation angle

        - It won't help at all. Variable sweep (like on the F-14) undoubtedly played a huge role in reducing landing speed, but changing the wing's angle of attack is completely unnecessary.
        - advanced wing mechanization

        - Of course, but there are boundaries, limits...
        - thrust-to-weight ratio

        - What does thrust-to-weight ratio have to do with LANDING?
        and a hook

        - It's always in place. We're talking about HOW TO REDUCE LANDING SPEED.
        The Delta Wing isn't much worse, without the hassle of aerodynamics and directional stability. The "flying wing" is thick, so forget about supersonic speeds.

        - Who said?! Of course, supersonic flight will definitely be possible, including non-afterburning cruising. The YF-23's planform is already very close to that of a flying wing:
        1. -1
          April 24 2026 18: 22
          1. Sweep angle: The greater the leading edge angle, the better the primary pulse passes “past” the radar.
          2. Edge sharpness: Rounded edges (like regular liners) disperse the signal in all directions, while sharp edges disperse it in a directional manner.
          3.V-shape: No right angles (90°) between the wing and the fuselage (avoiding the “dipole” effect).

          - These are standard techniques.
          Quote: Michael1950
          To ensure maximum combat radius (everyone talks about a minimum of 1000 km) and a good payload, the aircraft must be large enough.

          The maximum combat radius is ensured by the fuel reserve, the efficiency of the turbojet engine, low Cx, and high aerodynamic quality.

          - Right.
          Payload, glider wing strength and low dry weight, and again high aerodynamic quality. No connection with the "big plane" if you count correctly (specifically): payload/gross weight.

          - Just don't spout nonsense in public? Not even the most unfunny ones... am Even botany...
          1. +1
            April 24 2026 19: 14
            Quote: Michael1950
            Just don't spout nonsense in public? Even the unfunny stuff... Even botany...

            So you've already completely lost it. You're passing off nonsense as "high-minded knowledge." Just call yourself hypersonic. Shamejet
            1. -1
              April 24 2026 20: 37
              - You can even call it a pot! lol The point is to differentiate aircraft by their engines - using atmospheric oxygen, or carrying an oxidizer with them, to the detriment of the payloadFor you, there is no difference between them - good health. wink
        2. +2
          April 24 2026 19: 12
          Quote: Michael1950
          According to the lift formula:

          What is Su there? And what does it depend on?
          The positive direction of the wing installation angle is such that, all other things being equal, increasing the wing installation angle increases wing angle of attack.
          Quote: Michael1950
          The larger the wing area, the lower the landing speed will be.

          Captain Obvious.
          And the greater the density of the medium, won't it (Vп) be smaller? And won't Su help?
          Quote: Michael1950
          It won't help at all.

          I need to get out of the swamp of my thoughts. No one convinced Michael1950
          Quote: Michael1950
          which means a wing of maximum area is required.

          to which a remark was given
          Quote: don_Reba
          Why?
          (only S wing was meant), there are other methods, including
          Quote: Michael1950
          Here is a variable sweep (like on the F-14) undoubtedly

          Quote: Michael1950
          Of course, but there are boundaries, limits...

          Of course, just like in the wing area. Who's arguing?
          But if you need minimal wing area, the solution is: high-lift devices, wing pitch (adjustable, +10 degrees in flight, like on a Crusader, it's a C-shaped tube), thrust-to-weight ratio, and a hook. I think I wrote everything down in Russian. No?

          Quote: Michael1950
          What does thrust-to-weight ratio have to do with LANDING?

          -Reverser
          -and we need to take off
          -
          When landing on an aircraft carrier, the pilot of a carrier-based fighter sets the engine to maximum (takeoff) mode or turns on the afterburner just before touching the deck.

          Quote: Michael1950
          It's always in place. We're talking about HOW TO REDUCE LANDING SPEED.

          a strong hook and a very braking finisher (we extinguish the Ek in the heat, in the end)
          Quote: Michael1950
          Who said?!

          Me. Will that work?
          Quote: Michael1950
          The YF-23's planform is already very close to that of a flying wing:

          "Who said such nonsense?"
          It's written in black in English
          The Northrop YF-23 featured large, diamond-shaped wings (sometimes described as modified trapezoidal) designed for high-speed supercruise and superior stealth.

          A "flying wing" is a type of aerodynamic design of a tailless aircraft, which lacks a classic fuselage, and its role is performed by the wing itself.

          The YF-23 featured a long, slender, and highly blended fuselage designed for maximum stealth and supersonic efficiency, prioritizing low radar observability and high-speed cruising over the superior maneuverability of its competitor. Its design was characterized by a "diamond-shaped" wing blended into the body, top-mounted engine intakes, and a unique, elongated aft deck that masked exhaust from infrared sensors
          1. -1
            April 24 2026 20: 03
            Quote: Michael1950
            According to the lift formula:

            What is Su there? And what does it depend on?

            - Have you been banned from Google?
            https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%BE%D0%B4%D1%8A%D1%91%D0%BC%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%BB%D0%B0
            The positive direction of the wing's angle of incidence is such that, all other things being equal, increasing the wing's angle of incidence increases the wing's angle of attack.

            - And who the hell needs this in this case??
            And the greater the density of the medium, won’t it (Vп) be less?
            - Of course, it will be less. But all calculations in the design of aircraft are carried out in accordance with standard atmosphere:
            https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B4%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%84%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0
            And won't Su help?
            Quote: Michael1950
            It won't help at all.
            I need to get out of the swamp of my thoughts. No one convinced Michael1950
            Quote: Michael1950
            which means a wing of maximum area is required.
            to which a remark was given
            Quote: don_Reba
            Why?
            (only S wing was meant), there are other methods, including
            Quote: Michael1950
            Here is a variable sweep (like on the F-14) undoubtedly
            Quote: Michael1950
            Of course, but there are boundaries, limits...
            Of course, just like in the wing area. Who's arguing?

            - There is one gentleman here, and he argues - obviously...
            There are other methods, including
            Quote: Michael1950
            Here is a variable sweep (like on the F-14) undoubtedly

            - THESE 6TH-GENERATION STEALTHY NAVAL FLYERS WILL NOT HAVE VARIABLE GEOMETRY WINGS. (Let's be extremely cautious: the likelihood is HUGE.)
            But if you need a minimum wing area

            - I need the MAXIMUM.
            , then the solution is mechanization,

            - A banality not worth mentioning.
            installation angle (adjustable, in flight +10 degrees, like the Crusader, this is a pipe along the Cx),

            - NOT THIS WILL BE HERE. Excluded. And nobody gives a damn.
            thrust-to-weight ratio

            - What the hell is "thrust-weight ratio"? on landing?? Why repeat this nonsense again and again and again?
            hook.

            - What - a hook?! Any deck-based aircraft, when landing on the deck, is required to hook one of the four cables. Why do you keep repeating this?
            I think I wrote everything in Russian. No?

            - The Russian language is great and powerful. You can write literally anything in it! lol
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            quote]Quote: Michael1950
            What does thrust-to-weight ratio have to do with LANDING?

            -Reverser
            -and we need to take off[/quote]
            - So on a decent aircraft carrier there are four catapults! They used to have steam engines, now they have electromagnetic ones, you can fly!
            When landing on an aircraft carrier, the pilot of a carrier-based fighter sets the engine to maximum (takeoff) mode or turns on the afterburner just before touching the deck.

            - To immediately take off if the cable breaks, using the available kinetic energy. No additional super-duper thrust-to-weight ratio is required here.
            Quote: Michael1950
            It's always in place. We're talking about HOW TO REDUCE LANDING SPEED.

            a strong hook and a very braking finisher (we extinguish the Ek in the heat, in the end)

            - But this is on all aircraft carriers, for years now. 80! What's the know-how? The plane does not need to brake any more abruptly! am The pilot already has an overload during landing. -3.5g! My eyeballs are about to pop out!
            Quote: Michael1950
            Who said?!

            Me. Will that work?

            - No.
            [quote] Quote: Michael1950
            The YF-23's planform is already very close to that of a flying wing:

            "Who said such nonsense?"

            It's written in black in English
            The Northrop YF-23 featured large, diamond-shaped wings (sometimes described as modified trapezoidal) designed for high-speed supercruise and superior stealth.

            - Everything is correct! Its design is close to a "flying wing". Gradually...
            A "flying wing" is a type of aerodynamic design of a tailless aircraft that lacks a conventional fuselage, with the wing itself performing its role.

            - Absolutely right! And this design has already been practically achieved in the B-2 and B-21. The rest are just striving, striving, striving! Because it's optimal in many ways, especially when it comes to those newly designed sixth-generation aircraft, which require a multitude of compromises to be harmonized within a single aircraft.
            The YF-23 featured a long, slender, and highly blended fuselage designed for maximum stealth and supersonic efficiency, prioritizing low radar observability and high-speed cruising over the superior maneuverability of its competitor. Its design was characterized by a "diamond-shaped" wing blended into the body, top-mounted engine intakes, and a unique, elongated aft deck that masked exhaust from infrared sensors

            - Yes, yes, of course! He didn't achieve the ideal! He still has it there is some separate fuselage, some separate wing and some separate empennage! tongue Therefore, I passionately dream and hope that both upcoming competing models WILL DEFINITELY ADVANCE EVEN MORE TOWARDS THE IDEAL FLYING WING DESIGN! fellow
    2. 0
      April 24 2026 23: 16
      Or return to variable geometry (like in their STEALTH block where they colorfully showed the Dog Fight Su-37 against their carrier-based aircraft)
      1. +1
        April 25 2026 06: 14
        It will be very difficult to combine stealth and variable wing geometry... Although one model shows something resembling a retractable canard—a forward horizontal control surface that also provides a lift boost during landing... A small compromise. We'll see.
    3. +1
      April 25 2026 22: 20
      - There has long been a trend in aircraft construction to bring the glider's planform closer to the "flying wing"; here is a list of aircraft designs over the past 77 years:
      1. +1
        April 25 2026 22: 43
        - "Flying wing" in its purest form:
        1. +1
          April 25 2026 22: 59
          B-21 begins active testing:
          1. 0
            3 August 2026 23: 05
            He started it a long time ago, the US Air Force has huge plans for it, and a new Cold War has begun, and they will provide budgets.
  5. +4
    April 24 2026 09: 35
    If you remove the unnecessary, one thing remains.
    The US is working. In its own way, but it's developing and testing. It's promoting it.

    Ours, on the other hand, continues to write articles on the internet...
    1. 0
      April 24 2026 10: 14
      Yeah, but Russia implemented hypersonic cruise missiles a long time ago, while these are just coming. That's what kind of articles you get online...
      1. 0
        April 24 2026 15: 06
        - In fact, only missiles that reach Mach 5 or higher using a hypersonic ramjet engine are called hypersonic:
        https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%93%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B7%D0%B2%D1%83%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D0%BF%D1%80%D1%8F%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%87%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%B4%D1%83%D1%88%D0%BD%D0%BE-%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B0%D0%BA%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D0%B4%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B3%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8C
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scramjet
        Because with the help of a solid propellant rocket engine, the speed of Mach 5 was surpassed by the V-2 90 years ago! laughing lol
        Where is the Russian hypersonic ramjet missile? What's it called?
        1. -1
          April 24 2026 15: 55
          I specifically stated that hypersonic speeds apply only to cruise missiles. The V-8 was a ballistic missile—that's a completely different story. The United States, for example, has Minutemans, and they also reach hypersonic speeds, which is understandable given where they fly. I also wasn't referring to anti-ballistic missiles, such as the Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD), given the altitude and targets they operate at. However, the US doesn't yet have cruise missiles flying at altitudes up to 40 km, designed to hit surface and ground targets.
          "Where is the Russian missile with a hypersonic ramjet engine? What is it called?" You yourself said something almost correct: "Only missiles that reach Mach 5 are actually called hypersonic" (not reaching, but exceeding Mach 5). So what difference does it make what engine the missile has? For it to be hypersonic, the engine doesn't matter.
          1. +3
            April 24 2026 17: 06
            "Where is the Russian missile with a hypersonic ramjet engine? What is it called?" You yourself said something almost correct: "Only missiles that reach Mach 5 are actually called hypersonic" (not reaching, but exceeding Mach 5). So what difference does it make what engine the missile has? For it to be hypersonic, the engine doesn't matter.

            - I think I said it clearly: only those missiles (and aircraft, if there are any) that reach/exceed the speed of Mach 5 with the help of a hypersonic ramjet engine (called a Scramjet in the West) are called hypersonic. Cruise missiles with other engines don't count! There have been two such missiles in world history so far:
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_X-43
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_X-51_Waverider
            AND EVERYTHING.
            All the rest of the chatter about "hypersonic" missiles is idle chatter from journalists catering to the ignorant. Then start counting with the X-15:
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_X-15
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              April 24 2026 18: 01
              "Using a hypersonic ramjet engine (called a Scramjet in the West)"—first, look up the definition of hypersonic cruise missiles. I'm less interested in what the West defines them as. As a military man with 25 years of service, I can tell you that a hypersonic launch vehicle is defined as one with a speed exceeding Mach 5. Engines have nothing to do with the definition of "hypersonic."
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                April 24 2026 18: 36
                - As a professional military pilot who has served for 26 calendar years (41 years of service including jet experience), 15 years in flight work, I tell you that professionals consider a hypersonic aircraft to be one that reaches Mach 5 or higher with the help of a hypersonic ramjet engine.
                The V-2, Vostok, Space Shuttle, and X-15 aircraft flew at speeds much higher than Mach 5, but they are not called "hypersonic aircraft"... laughing
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                  April 26 2026 22: 31
                  This is the first time I've heard anything like this, no matter where you fly. Moreover, military experts like Khodorenko or Buzhinsky have repeatedly, when speaking about the Dinkzhal or Zircon missiles, classified these systems as hypersonic cruise missiles. Or do you not consider them professionals? And logically, if a Zircon missile was used to strike a carrier-launched strike group, what difference does it make to the air defense system of the carrier, which engine is used to deliver 400 kg of TNT at Mach 8? So, forgive me, but I stand by my opinion.
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                    April 27 2026 00: 06
                    This is the first time I've heard something like this, no matter where you fly))

                    - Is it my problem that you didn’t hear something? lol Or did you hear it wrong? Or from the wrong people?
                    Moreover, military experts, such as Khodorenko or Buzhinsky, have repeatedly, when speaking about the dagger or zircon, classified these products as hypersonic cruise missiles.

                    Even if General Gurulev himself says this, or the near-Marshal of Victory Shoigu, it's just a gimmicky buzzword that's now being bandied about in every possible way—hypersonic-hypersonic-hypersonic... The Kinzhal is an air-launched version of the Iskander missile, developed in 1999; the Kinzhal itself entered service in 2018:
                    AI Overview

                    "Dagger" (Kh-47M2) is aeroballistic rocket, launched from an aircraft (MiG-31K), which combines high speed (up to Mach 10-12) and active maneuvering at all stages of flight. Its trajectory passes through the upper layers of the atmosphere, where it flies along a ballistic curve and maneuvers, evading missile defense systems.

                    Key features of the Kinzhal trajectory:
                    Launch method: The missile is dropped from a carrier (usually a MiG-31K) at high altitude, after which it itself gains hypersonic speed.

                    Trajectory type: Aeroballistic - moves along a ballistic arc (like a stone) and uses the lift of the body in dense layers of the atmosphere.

                    Maneuverability: Unlike conventional ballistic missiles, the Kinzhal constantly maneuvers, changing course and altitude, making its trajectory difficult to predict for missile defense systems.

                    Speed: It can reach speeds of up to Mach 10-12 (over 12,000 km/h), which allows it to overcome existing missile defense systems.

                    Objectives: Designed to destroy stationary objects and surface ships.
                    And logically, if a missile cruiser hits the same AUG with a Zircon missile, what difference does it make to the air defense system of the order which engine is used to carry 400 kg of TNT at Mach 8?

                    = Absolutely none! laughing
                    So, sorry, but I'll stick to my opinion)))

                    - Absolutely no one is stopping you! And no one dares to! But if you ever mention the V-2, don't forget to add that it's a hypersonic missile!
                    It has a speed of over Mach 5 at a certain point in its trajectory—that means it's hypersonic! "Medical fact!" Even Khodoryonok won't argue! lol And General Gurulev will confirm! wink
                    The maximum speed of the German V-2 ballistic missile was approximately 1700 m/s (Mach 5.76). This speed was achieved during the active phase of the trajectory, before the engine was shut down. The missile rose to an altitude of up to 100 km, making a suborbital flight, and the flight time to the target was approximately 5 minutes. On October 3, 1942, almost 84 years back.
                    But no one was making a big fuss about the word "hypersonic" back then...
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                      April 27 2026 00: 24
                      In fact (this is my subjective opinion), the term "hypersonic" began to be used in a popular Russian dictionary after the Americans tested the X-43A missile with a hypersonic ramjet engine (2004) a relatively long time ago:
                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_X-43
                      The real excitement began when the Americans tested the X-51 in 2013, naturally also with a hypersonic ramjet:
                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_X-51_Waverider
                      And here Russian scientific and political thought could not pass by! laughing AND FROM EVERY IRON, SHOUTS BEGAN TO BE HEARD: "WE TOO HAVE OUR OWN HYPERSONIC!" And all Russians unanimously picked up the new fashionable word - without thinking at all, whence и why suddenly it came to light?! am
                      ......................
                      But you, Leontrotsky[b][/b], now you know the whole truth... And what to do with this truth, as an honest Russian officer, should be clear...
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                      April 27 2026 13: 17
                      Quote: Michael1950
                      Maneuverability: Unlike conventional ballistic missiles, the Kinzhal constantly maneuvers, changing course and altitude, making its trajectory difficult to predict for missile defense systems.


                      Exactly. This is the difference between hypersonic weapons and conventional ballistic missiles (whether they're aerodynamic or not is completely irrelevant). Hypersonic weapons perform controlled, powered flight at hypersonic speeds. Conventional ballistic missiles (starting with the V-2) perform powered flight with their engines lit only during the boost phase of their trajectory (a very short period), then essentially coast, obeying the laws of ballistics, like a bullet (which is stupid). This is a fundamental difference, since the active maneuvering of hypersonic missiles significantly reduces the chances of intercepting such missiles, making it incredibly difficult to calculate the trajectory of a hypersonic missile in advance in order to send a SAM to the target. Unlike conventional ballistic missiles, for which calculating their trajectory using modern computer technology is quite feasible.
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                        April 27 2026 14: 05
                        Exactly. This is the difference between hypersonic weapons and conventional ballistic missiles (whether they're aerodynamic or not is completely irrelevant). Hypersonic weapons perform controlled, powered flight at hypersonic speeds.

                        - The Kinzhal missile by the manufacturer not It's called "hypersonic", it's called "aeroballistic" - this term indicates that it doesn't fly like a V-2, but maneuvers.
                        ___Grades

                        According to some estimates, the Kinzhal air-launched missile system is not actually a hypersonic weapon, but rather an aeroballistic missile (air-launched ballistic missile). The system is based on the Iskander tactical ballistic missile, modified for air-launch capability. The Kinzhal missile is likely incapable of maneuvering in the dense layers of the atmosphere at hypersonic speeds (thereby, to varying degrees, making it more difficult for air defense and missile defense systems to engage), effectively moving along a conventional ballistic trajectory. Furthermore, questions arise regarding the missile's targeting accuracy. All of this means that, in reality, the Kinzhal air-launched missile system has relatively low combat effectiveness and is by no means "invulnerable" even to existing (let alone future) air defense and missile defense systems.

                        Sidharth Kaushal, an expert at the RUSI think tank, notes that the Kinzhal does not match the maneuverability of hypersonic weapons. Nuclear nonproliferation expert Jeffrey Lewis notes that the Kinzhal can correctly be called an air-launched ballistic missile, stating that "it is hypersonic only in the sense that almost all ballistic missiles are hypersonic." According to military expert Dave Majumdar, the Kinzhal system is not hypersonic because it does not use a ramjet engine, and the missile is a variant of the aeroballistic munition used in the ground-based Iskander missile system.

                        Chinese military experts noted that the Kinzhal missiles were vulnerable to Patriot missile defense systems or lacked accuracy. The Kinzhal is believed to be simply an air-launched version of the Iskander missile. Experts gave the system a low rating.

                        As of 2024, the Kinzhal hypersonic air-launched missiles and the Kh-22 and Kh-32 supersonic missiles are expensive and scarce. They require specialized launch vehicles, making them vulnerable to enemy surveillance. The missile launch vehicle movements are tracked in real time using space and technical reconnaissance assets. The high cost of purchasing and maintaining the missile launch vehicles negatively impacts the system's potential.
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                        April 28 2026 08: 10
                        Well, all these guys are just a bunch of grant-suckers, working off the State Department's money, or those who are trying to belittle the achievements of potential competitors in the arms market.
                        The fact that the "Dagger" apparently has the wrong engine system is simply laughable. Only hypersonic speed and the ability to actively maneuver are important. Clearly, maneuvering capabilities at hypersonic speeds are structurally limited, but even a fraction of a degree of course change would make interception virtually impossible.
                        And the "daggers" shoot down the "Patriot" SAMs only in the wet dreams of the Bandar-logs.
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                        April 28 2026 08: 49
                        It is clear that maneuvering capabilities at hypersonic speeds are structurally limited, but even a change in course by a fraction of a degree would make interception virtually impossible.

                        - Interesting, And who told you this?! lol How do missile defense systems work then? wink
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                        April 28 2026 08: 56
                        And try to think about why in the description of the Iskander, the older brother of the Kinzhal, its copy, only the land launch, The word "hypersonic" is not mentioned anywhere, although it can easily reach speeds of over Mach 7?!
                        WHAT'S THE POINT HERE?! lol
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                        April 28 2026 13: 44
                        It doesn't matter at all. Do you want checkers or to go? laughing
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                        April 28 2026 13: 43
                        Because it's obvious. Currently, missile defense systems are practically incapable of intercepting high-speed, maneuverable aerial targets.
                        Do you understand how interception works? The target is detected, its trajectory is analyzed, its subsequent trajectory is calculated, and the SAMs are sent to the rendezvous point based on the subsequent trajectory, taking into account the speed of the target and the SAM. This all works well when the target missile follows a precise ballistic trajectory, without changing course at all. A course deviation of even one angular degree will result in a course difference of hundreds of meters or even kilometers, so the rendezvous will most likely never take place.
                        This is the problem with intercepting hypersonic missiles.
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                        April 28 2026 14: 44
                        Because it's obvious. Currently, missile defense systems are practically incapable of intercepting high-speed, maneuverable aerial targets.

                        "That's not true. You've been deceived! They were capable of this back in the 1950s, when the Nike-Hercules air defense system was developed. The Americans then developed and successfully tested the XB-70 Mach 3 bomber-missile carrier, then thought about it for a while—and then abandoned it. The USSR did the same with the T-4 Sotka aircraft. Only the SR-71 "survived," but it never entered Soviet territory, where long-range air defense systems were already in existence at the time.
                        Do you understand how interception works?

                        - I certainly understand - I am a military pilot by profession... lol
                        And you? wink
                        The target is detected, its trajectory is analyzed, the subsequent trajectory is calculated, and the SAM is sent to the rendezvous point based on the subsequent trajectory, taking into account the speed of the target and the SAM.

                        - So far so good.
                        This all works well when the target missile follows a precise ballistic trajectory, without changing course at all. A course deviation of even one angular degree will result in a course difference of hundreds of meters or even kilometers, so a rendezvous will most likely never occur.

                        - What happens next is complete nonsense! In reality, the target's trajectory is constantly monitored, and the interceptor missile's trajectory is constantly adjusted accordingly. This became especially important with the advent of kinetic warheads, which, without explosives, must hit their target precisely! The anti-missile's trajectory is adjusted right up to the last moment.
                        This is the problem with intercepting hypersonic missiles.

                        - For some reason, you think that the maneuvering capabilities of a high-speed target exceed the maneuvering capabilities of an anti-missile missile - this is a misconception.
                        Here's the David's Sling SAM system—its maneuverability is many times greater than that of the Kinzhal:
                        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David%27s_Sling
                        Let's compare, for starters, even purely visually:
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                        April 28 2026 14: 56
                        The Russian hypersonic missile of the Kinzhal (Kh-47M2) system is approximately 7,2–8 meters long and has a diameter of approximately 1 meter.
                        and a starting weight of about 4300-4650 kg.
                        "David's Sling":
                        Length - 3.38 meters
                        Diameter - 23 centimeters
                        Weight: 285 kg (without booster)
                        Maximum speed - up to 5.5M
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                        April 28 2026 15: 01
                        With and without booster:
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                        April 28 2026 09: 04
                        https://www.facebook.com/redakcijagermanija/posts/%D0%B2%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%B3%D0%BE-%D1%81-%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%87%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B0-%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B9%D0%BD%D1%8B-%D0%BF%D0%BE-%D0%B8%D0%B7%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B8%D0%BB%D1%8E-%D0%B8%D0%B7-%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B0-%D0%B1%D1%8B%D0%BB%D0%BE-%D0%B2%D1%8B%D0%BF%D1%83%D1%89%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BE-520-%D0%B1%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D1%85-%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%B5%D1%82-/1299265995537785/
                        Publication Editorial Germany
                        Editorial Germany
                        June 20, 2025
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                        In total since the beginning of the war (12-day, last year) 520 ballistic missiles were launched from Iran at Israel. Of these, only 25 penetrated the missile defense system, or less than 5%.
                        By comparison, since the start of the full-scale war, Russia has launched approximately 900 ballistic missiles at Ukraine. These include Iskander-type missiles and Kh-47M2 Kinzhal aeroballistic missiles (approximately 78 launched, 40 of which were shot down).
                        Overall, according to Ukrainian military and Western media, the interception efficiency of ballistic missiles does not exceed 30–40%. For cruise missiles, this figure is twice as high.
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                        April 28 2026 13: 57
                        This is crap, not data taken from a data dump. Sorry, but the trustworthiness of social media data is rock bottom.

                        In Iran's case, a relatively high percentage of intercepts was achieved by shooting down obsolete ballistic missiles. Iran launched relatively few hypersonic missiles, which are expensive and difficult to produce. But they accounted for the 5% that achieved their target.

                        Well, about 40 downed "daggers" - this is just an example of hohlosrucha and nothing more.
                        Could you post proof of the shootdown? Video (not from neural networks), other evidence... video of Klitschko next to the Patriot SAM warhead (which he tried to pass off as a downed Dagger) – don't offer it!

                        The most successful "interception" of our missiles was carried out by Ukrainian infrastructure facilities.

                        Use logic. Even if the interception rate for ballistic missiles is no higher than 40%, it should be even lower for hypersonic missiles. This means hypersonic missiles are a very effective weapon.

                        And yes. An air defense/missile defense system is considered truly effective if the percentage of air targets shot down is at least 90%. Otherwise, it's called "Leaky Dome." lol
                        If only 50% of missiles are shot down, it simply means that twice as many missiles are needed to hit the intended targets. Our military-industrial complex is perfectly capable of this.
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                        April 28 2026 15: 13
                        This is crap, not data taken from a data dump. Sorry, but the trustworthiness of social media data is rock bottom.

                        These rockets killed 29 people in Israel in 12 days. And this is not "bullshit."
                        In Iran's case, a relatively high percentage of intercepts was achieved by shooting down obsolete ballistic missiles. Iran launched relatively few hypersonic missiles, which are expensive and difficult to produce. But they accounted for the 5% that achieved their target.

                        - Ayatollah Khamenei gives you a standing ovation! wassat
                        Well, about 40 downed "daggers" - this is just an example of hohlosrucha and nothing more.
                        Could you post proof of the shootdown? Video (not from neural networks), other evidence... video of Klitschko next to the Patriot SAM warhead (which he tried to pass off as a downed Dagger) – don't offer it!

                        - I can’t say anything about the “Daggers” over Kiev – contact your Ukrainian brothers...
                        Use logic. Even if the interception rate for ballistic missiles is no higher than 40%, it should be even lower for hypersonic missiles. This means hypersonic missiles are a very effective weapon.

                        - ALL ballistic missiles of this range fly at hypersonic speeds, without exception! laughing
                        And yes. An air defense/missile defense system is considered truly effective if the percentage of air targets shot down is at least 90%. Otherwise, it's called "Leaky Dome." lol
                        If only 50% of missiles are shot down, it simply means that twice as many missiles are needed to hit the intended targets. Our military-industrial complex is perfectly capable of this.

                        What percentage of UAVs are shot down by Russian air defenses today? Not flying hypersonic, not supersonic, not even subsonic—but slower than the An-2 aircraft, at 160 km/h?
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                        April 29 2026 08: 33
                        They killed more and it certainly doesn’t upset me.

                        And I applaud the Iranians' resilience and courage. "Keep working, brothers!"

                        The Ukro-Banderites are more like brothers to the Zionists, given their ideological affinity. Both want to appear "uber-minor."

                        But not all ballistic missiles are capable of maneuvering and even slightly changing their trajectory.

                        Where there is air defense (and it, unfortunately, is not capable of covering such a huge territory), the percentage of shots down is approximately 90%.
                        Compare the territory of tiny Israel and the vast Russian Federation on a map or globe. So, yes, the existing air defense systems aren't enough. And in some places, Ukrainian drones simply don't meet any countermeasures.
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                        April 29 2026 09: 13
                        They killed more and it certainly doesn’t upset me.

                        - It couldn’t have been any other way for you - When Jews are killed somewhere, it's a balm for the soul for any anti-Semite!
                        And I applaud the Iranians' resilience and courage. "Keep working, brothers!"

                        "Your 'brothers' worked hard for over 40 years, spending hundreds of billions of dollars, preparing to destroy Israel—and suddenly their dreams were brutally crushed by IDF air power—how can you not mourn?! Such a bummer! Such a failure!" Especially against the backdrop of your tremendous, incredible successes in the SVO over the past four years.Inspire them, support them morally if there's no other way, and you'll be rewarded: The Islamic revolution will come to your doorstep! feel
                        The Ukro-Banderites are more like brothers to the Zionists, given their ideological affinity. Both want to appear "uber-minor."

                        "You look like mirror images of these 'Ukrainian Banderaites,' just like carbon copies! And they're trying to pin all their secret vices on someone else—primarily, on the Jews, of course!" And Zionism was made into a swear word by Soviet propaganda, although there is absolutely nothing bad in it - it’s just the desire of Jews to live in their own countryAnd any successes Israel achieves are met with envy and hatred by its enemies—how could it be otherwise? And any desire by Israel's enemies to destroy it is greeted with thunderous applause by all the Judeophobes! ALTHOUGH ASK THEM WHY?! THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO TELL YOU ANYTHING... They'll only repeat propaganda cliches about "the seizure of ancestral Arab lands."The Arabs have 700 times more land than Israel.) and "the genocide of children in Gaza" (completely ignoring the fact that it was the residents of Gaza who committed the genocide of Israeli children, THEY BEGAN MASS MURDER. INCLUDING CHILDREN, RAPE, HOSTAGE TAKING, ROBBERY...)
                        But Skabeeva "forgot" to tell you about this?! What if you went to kill your neighbor's children, don't cry later when your neighbor starts killing your children in revenge?!
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                        April 29 2026 09: 25
                        Here is Israel (20 thousand sq. km) and the Arab lands (14 million sq. km), which Israel is trying to “take away” from them:
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                        April 29 2026 13: 57
                        So what? Suppose Israel were to shrink even further, allowing the Palestinians to establish their own small state. But in exchange, it would be able to normalize relations with its Arab neighbors. And it could rake in enormous profits, becoming a transportation hub for the entire Middle East and doing business in the deep processing of Arab oil (polymer production, in particular). Israel could live in peace and enjoy a standard of living far higher than Kuwait's; every Israeli family would be a millionaire, something that doesn't exist in today's Israel (the standard of living is more average than high). But your leadership chose a different path. Good luck in this endless war. lol
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                        April 29 2026 14: 20
                        - Complete IGNORANCE and ABSOLUTE MISUNDERSTANDING of the history of the region, Islam as a religion and the modern Arab mentality. conclusions that have nothing to do with reality.
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                        April 29 2026 13: 46
                        Come on, poor, fluffy Holocaust victims. You started this war, so stop whining about the retaliation.

                        Yeah, Israel is all peace-loving and humane. But who supported the bloody regime of the Shah of Iran? And who nurtured Hamas?
                        I don't see any failure. Everything else is your unhealthy fantasies.

                        Zionism was once recognized by the UN as a form of fascism. Yes, this was eventually repealed, but Israel has fully demonstrated the practical adequacy of this definition.

                        As for Judeophobia, that's a wild guess. I once had four Jewish friends. All four (for the sake of their rabid parents) moved to Israel permanently. But only one settled there; the other three, when the opportunity arose (their parents had passed away), left Israel. And later, when they met, they gave such a negative characterization of Israel and its citizens that any die-hard anti-Semite would shy away.

                        Honestly, I don't care about the squabbles between Jews and Arabs. You're all related, Semites, Arabs, and Jews. Even according to your Talmuds, you share common ancestors. So, go ahead and argue. But Iranians and Persians aren't Arabs, that's a different matter... laughing
                        By the way, how many wars has Iran started in the last half-century? And how many specifically against Israel? And how many wars has Israel started?

                        Regarding Gaza... has it ever occurred to you that Hamas has effectively acted as a proxy in someone's hands, the hands of those gentlemen who the IDF and Mossad will never be able to reach, their arms too short? Because for these gentlemen, your entire Israel is just a piece on a grand chessboard.

                        You, gentlemen Jews, are simply being used. And when they decide you've served your purpose, they'll do to you what they'll soon do to Ukraine.
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                        April 29 2026 14: 15
                        Illanatol If there is something on the aviation topic, I am ready to talk, argue, prove something. "Opposing" the two posts you wrote above is like a Jew in Auschwitz debating with an SS guard on the topic "Why Jews Should Not Be Exterminated"...By the way: an SS-man may even remember that he had Jewish friends in his childhood... am
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                      April 27 2026 13: 22
                      I disagree with you here. What's the fundamental difference between the Dinzhal and Tsirkon missiles and the V-300? Flight altitude. The V-300 had a range of up to 320 km, at altitudes of 80-90 km. The Dinzhal flies, and not along a ballistic trajectory, at altitudes of up to 40 km, and the Tsirkon even lower. While communicating with the S-300F crew on the ship where I served, I heard that 30 km is the limiting altitude for S-300 interceptor missiles. Above this ceiling, their effectiveness against targets is greatly reduced. Because the rarefaction of the atmosphere increases so much that the mechanical controls of the interceptor missile (the rudders that allow maneuvering) effectively lose their effectiveness. I heard confirmation of this fact about a month ago on Khodorkovsky's program "Full Armed." When launching a cruise missile (like the Tsirkon), the main objective, as with any munition, is to hit the target. This means that control and data exchange with those same satellites for positioning play a key role. And, when creating a hypersonic cruise missile flying at speeds of Mach 8-10, and at altitudes where atmospheric drag still plays a significant role, heating the launch vehicle, communication issues were extremely challenging. As the designers say, in the same "Military Acceptance Test," a hypersonic cruise missile essentially flies in a plasma cloud, and therefore the requirements for both the materials from which the cruise missile is made and for ensuring stable communication with the cruise missile (primarily with satellite navigation systems, until the cruise missile acquires its target) presented significant challenges in these conditions. When testing similar systems in the United States, I've repeatedly encountered publicly available reports of a missile being launched and then, after a while, losing contact. Ultimately, we solved this problem, judging by the work of the Zircon and Dagger missiles in the SVO. But the United States still hasn't. Because they have not yet received analogues of zircons and daggers into their arsenal.
                      That is, when experts extol hypersonic speeds, they're not celebrating the fact that a carrier has achieved it, but rather that hypersonic speeds have been harnessed at relatively low altitudes (up to 40 km) by a carrier capable of a free-flying trajectory (rather than an easily predictable ballista). That's why, when I wrote a post about hypersonics, I specifically emphasized its relevance to cruise missiles. But yes, hypersonic speeds were achieved a long time ago, first by the V-2, then by the Korolev missiles, and by the 1970s, air defense systems were armed with interceptors approaching Mach 5.
                      What's so valuable about hypersonic cruise missiles for Russia? The V-8 wouldn't have offered much to Germany. Nuclear weapons hadn't yet been developed, and throwing a TNT equivalent 320 km was a debatable advantage. Those same bombers could have delivered it farther and, in a massive strike, in larger quantities. Especially considering the V-8's accuracy. Those who say the same Dinkzhal or Zirkon missiles carry 400-450 kg of warheads are also correct. Slightly more powerful than the FAB-500. But hypersonic cruise missiles occupy a crucial niche for Russia—as a means of delivering tactical nuclear weapons accurately and precisely. This guarantees that intercepting such a strike would be extremely difficult and that it would reach its destination within 20 minutes. Given the "legacy" of the USSR in the form of tactical munitions up to 200 kilotons, hypersonic cruise missiles occupy an important niche in the Russian Federation's armaments, and in light of a war with Europe, they could play a very decisive role.
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                        April 27 2026 14: 24
                        For all those who love to endlessly repeat: "hypersonic-hypersonic-hypersonic"! laughing Here's a prototype of the Kinzhal, an Iskander missile. Please read the description carefully and say: How many times is the word "hypersonic" repeated here?!
                        https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B4%D0%B5%D1%80_(%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%BF%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%81)
                        I did not find NEVER! wink Given that the rocket speed is 2100 m/sec = 7.1M.
                        Do you know why here, in this article, it says "NOT ONCE"?! Because she came out BEFORE X-43 and X-51 flights! That's why it didn't even occur to anyone back then to shout: "WE HAVE ALSO THERE IS A HYPERSONIC MISSILE!" wassat tongue Although it's long been clear to anyone with even a passing understanding of the matter that the Americans are talking about DIFFERENT hypersonic missiles! FUNDAMENTALLY different ones...
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                        April 30 2026 11: 42
                        Let me reiterate that Russia has made a revolutionary step in the further development of hypersonics by switching launch vehicles operating at altitudes up to 40 km to it. This has significantly complicated the work of air and missile defense systems. At altitudes above 30 km, maneuvering interceptor missiles is difficult due to the thin atmosphere, and the missile defense system operates above this limit (40 km). And again, the United States has no hypersonic missiles in its arsenal in this ecological niche (cruise and anti-ship missiles operating at altitudes up to 40 km). You've already written about OTHER hypersonic missiles. But we're talking about a specific type of cruise missile and anti-ship missile.
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                        April 30 2026 14: 33
                        I repeat to you once again that Russia has made a revolutionary step in the further development of hypersonics in that it has transferred carriers operating at altitudes of up to 40 km to it.

                        - I repeat: I am a professional military pilot, I have been studying airplanes and missiles for a long time. more than 50 years, 26 of which were spent serving in the armed forces of the USSR and Russia (1969-1995). Don't tell me any funny stories about Russia's superiority in aviation and missile technology.
                        IT DOESN'T EXIST ABSOLUTELY, IN NOTHING — PARTIALLY FOR OBJECTIVE REASONS, BUT MAINLY FOR SUBJECTIVE REASONS — EVERYTHING WAS STOLE... crying
                      4. 0
                        April 30 2026 14: 54
                        Well, I also served in the Russian Navy for 25 years. Of those, 15 years were on Northern Fleet warships. I participated in numerous missile launches, including anti-ship missiles. And I'm well aware of the capabilities of the Harpun, in particular as the primary anti-ship missile in service with the US Navy. Harpun's capabilities don't even come close to those of the Zircon, or even the relatively aged Onyx. So, when it comes to naval anti-ship missiles, the Russian Federation undoubtedly has the advantage.
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                        April 30 2026 15: 09
                        Position and rank? (I don't ask for passwords, addresses, or contact information.)
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                        April 30 2026 15: 12
                        Captain 2nd Rank. Position on the ship: Combat Unit 7 Commander; at the General Staff of the Navy: Head of the Communications Node Department.
                      7. -1
                        April 30 2026 15: 26
                        He must know a lot! And understand a lot! And suddenly he starts telling tales about Russia's superiority in aerospace affairs!
                        How so?!
                        Russia is ready to defeat everyone at sea, on the water and under water, isn't it?! wink
                      8. 0
                        April 30 2026 16: 19
                        Well, the surface component leaves much to be desired. But the underwater component is quite combat-ready.
                      9. -1
                        April 30 2026 16: 46
                        How can this be? One country, the same scientists, the same engineers—everything's bad above water! Everything's fine below!
                        It doesn’t happen ...
                        Just like "everything is bad in airplanes" - "everything is good in rockets"!
                        It doesn’t happen ...
                      10. 0
                        1 May 2026 12: 22
                        Why doesn't this happen? A toy fleet is expensive, and in addition to engineers and scientists, it requires money to build. There's not enough money for both the surface and underwater components. Therefore, priority was given to the underwater component because it's part of the state's nuclear triad. The surface component is maintained at a level sufficient to support the deployment of SSBNs to combat duty areas, nothing more. Russia isn't the United States; to invest in ship construction, you have to earn it, not just print out as much as needed and hand over another IOU to the Federal Reserve.
                      11. -1
                        April 30 2026 15: 02
                        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long-Range_Hypersonic_Weapon
                        Weight: 7,400 kg
                        Diameter 0.88 m
                        Operational range 3,500 km
                        Maximum speed Mach ≥5
              2. +1
                April 24 2026 20: 13
                The article is about airplanes, not hypersonic missiles.
                The topic of hypersonic missiles is complex, since Gagarin, a number of anti-aircraft missiles, and many other things flew at hypersonic speeds, so it's best not to know.

                The Americans really did spend a long time developing hypersonic cruise missiles—our media used an illustration of their Boeing cruise missile prototype for years, despite its American origins.
                As for anti-aircraft missiles with speeds over 5 m (they once posted tables of performance characteristics of types of anti-aircraft missiles here), they simply didn’t think of promoting them as “hypersonic” back then.

                A note about airplanes, leave out the unnecessary...
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          April 24 2026 18: 06
          Quote: Michael1950
          In fact, only missiles that reach Mach 5 or higher using a hypersonic ramjet engine are called hypersonic:

          What nonsense. A GPZ LA is one that spends most of its flight time moving in the environment (the atmosphere) at a speed greater than or equal to the equivalent of Mach 5 at a given altitude, using its propulsion/engine (for jet engines, the propulsion/engine = engine).
          Are you trying to explain that an aircraft (rocket or cruise missile) equipped with a liquid propellant rocket engine/turbocharged turbojet engine moving at an altitude of 50 to 100 km with a velocity of 5220 km/h will not be considered a gravity propellant vehicle?
          And if (and when) they invent some kind of gravity engine, will this device not be considered a gravity-propulsion device? (Science fiction writers will cry)
          Quote: Michael1950
          Because with the help of a solid propellant rocket engine, the speed of Mach 5 was reached 90 years ago.

          How long did this solid propellant rocket engine work? 8 or 12 seconds? And the flight lasted probably 37-55 minutes?
          90 years ago? fool
          2026-90-1936: What was there in 1936 that surpassed the V-2, which did not exist yet?
          Budyonny's horse?
          Quote: Michael1950
          I think I said it clearly: hypersonic... (called Scramjet in the West)

          Both the AIAA and the FAI strongly disagree with this.
          Brief explanation: Sänger diagram (of course revised)
          A Scramjet is a ramjet engine where fuel combustion occurs in a supersonic flow, without deceleration to subsonic speed. It could be implemented at either a gas-powered propeller or supersonic speed.
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            April 24 2026 18: 44
            Are you trying to explain that an aircraft (rocket or cruise missile) equipped with a liquid propellant rocket engine/turbocharged turbojet engine moving at an altitude of 50 to 100 km with a velocity of 5220 km/h will not be considered a gravity propellant vehicle?
            And if (and when) they invent some kind of gravity engine, will this device not be considered a gravity-propulsion device? (Science fiction writers will cry)

            - They are not called hypersonic vehicles, just as no one called the Space Shuttle a hypersonic aircraft...
            Brief explanation: Sänger diagram (of course revised)
            A Scramjet is a ramjet engine where fuel combustion occurs in a supersonic flow, without deceleration to subsonic speed. It could be implemented at either a gas-powered propellant or supersonic speed.

            Future hypersonic aircraft will likely have either a hybrid engine (convertible from turbojet to ramjet and vice versa at the pilot's discretion), or a future hypersonic aircraft will have separate turbojet engines for takeoff, climb, and acceleration, and ramjet engines for high-altitude, high-speed flight. This is all still in the design stage...
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              April 27 2026 13: 20
              Quote: Michael1950
              - They are not called hypersonic vehicles, just as no one called the Space Shuttle a hypersonic aircraft...


              Because these are reusable space systems, and there's no sound in space, as there's no atmosphere. The flight environments are different, so it's not correct.
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                April 27 2026 14: 31
                You were probably trying to make a joke? wink laughing Because when they compare spacecraft and say at what Mach number they fly, This means bringing their speeds to the speed of sound in the stratosphere, which is equal to 295 meters per second from 11 to 20 kilometers.So they take it as 1M. And they get that the first cosmic velocity is 26.77M. And there really is no sound in space... wassat
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                  April 28 2026 07: 57
                  Who compares and evaluates spacecraft speeds in Mach numbers? This isn't universally accepted.
                  The speed of 340,3 m/s or 1225 km/h is taken as 1 Mach.
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                    April 28 2026 08: 46
                    The speed of 340,3 m/s or 1225 km/h is taken as 1 Mach.

                    - If you take any airplane, it gives the Mach number in the stratosphere (11+ km) and the indicated airspeed at ground level.
                    Therefore, when two or more aircraft are compared by Mach number, it is natural that this Mach number is in the stratosphere, for example:
                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_F-22_Raptor#Specifications_(F-22A)
                    Maximum speed: Mach 2.25, 2,414 km/h at altitude – here 1M = 295 m/s
                    Mach 1.21, 1,482 km/h — at sea level — here 1M = 340 m/s
                    =======
                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-35#Specifications_(Su-35S)
                    Maximum speed: Mach 2.25, 2,400 km/h at altitude — 1М = 295 m/s
                    Maximum speed: 1,400 km/h, Mach 1.13 at sea level — 1М = 340 m/s
                    ........................
                    When the Mach number is given for spacecraft, it is natural that they do not take the speed of sound near the ground, but the speed of sound in the stratosphere, from 11 km to 20 km, where it is constant due to the constancy of temperature (density does not affect the speed of sound).
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  6. +2
    April 24 2026 11: 32
    The article is a plus, I like a lot of the pictures :)
  7. +1
    April 24 2026 11: 45
    At one point, Boeing lobbyists tore apart Gruman, promising that their F-18 would be super versatile—a fighter, an attack aircraft, an electronic warfare aircraft, and even a refueling tanker. In the end, it turned out to be a mediocre performer in all of these roles.
    The F-14 wasn't simply decommissioned; it was scrapped, not sent to Davis-Monthan as was usual. The Navy now deeply regrets the F-14's absence.
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    April 24 2026 12: 52
    It's funny. In the last photo, La from the film "Stealth" (2005).
  9. +1
    April 24 2026 13: 37
    Perhaps the old American military-industrial complex principle will work - an earring for every sister.
    Boeing will receive a land-based fighter jet, Northrop Fleet.
    Or vice versa
  10. -1
    April 24 2026 18: 38
    For me, the only question is how many MiG and Su-35 will be built for our Aerospace Forces and when the MiG-41 will fly. am
    And let the Indians, Moroccans, and Persians take the Su-57 and 75. recourse
  11. -2
    April 24 2026 23: 42
    They have plenty to choose from: Northrop Grumman, Lockheed Martin, or Boeing. But Russia only has one, SRU, and that's it. There's no competition. The same goes for tanks from the UranToxic Plant.
  12. 0
    7 August 2026 23: 19
    Quote: WapentakeLokki
    We can continue the line... Sukhoi finally sank the MiG (and there were some interesting prototypes, although the MiG-29 itself is an epic fail).. But the Yak (VTOL) was sank so badly that not a trace of the Yak-141 remained... But the helicopter war continues: the Mi-28 versus the Ka-52... and the Air Defense Forces clearly haven't declared a winner (although they seem to be rooting for the Ka-52).

    Russian is not your native language?