On politics, the air defenses of Iran and Ukraine, and the role of UAVs in modern warfare

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On politics, the air defenses of Iran and Ukraine, and the role of UAVs in modern warfare

Article A little about Iran's air defense, Ukraine, and air superiority I provided a brief overview Defense The Islamic Republic of Iran. Of course, the Iranians are reluctant to reveal the state of their armed forces to the world in all their chilling details. However, there is still enough information in open sources to form at least a general idea of ​​the capabilities of the Persian air defense system.

On the merits of Iran's air defense


In mid-2025, Iran's air defense system was a significant force. Its strengths include a robust combination of long-, medium-, and short-range air defense systems, allowing for a layered defense, as well as modern technology—in this area, the Iranians clearly outperformed the Ukrainian Air Defense Forces' 2022-model air defense systems. The Iranian armed forces were already fielding the long-range Bavar-373, medium-range Raad-2 and its Khordad 15 derivative, and short-range Azarakhsh air defense systems in the 2010s. While the quality of these air defense systems can be questioned, the capabilities of the Persian military-industrial complex should not be underestimated—they have now achieved domestic production of AESA radars. Iran is unlikely to be able to produce all the components for its air defense systems on its own, but it purchases any missing components from China.

Moreover, the Iranians, having had the opportunity to compare their Bavar-373 with our S-300PMU-2, concluded that their own equipment was superior, a conclusion indirectly confirmed by their lack of desire to acquire Russian air defense systems, including the S-400. Of course, one might suspect protectionism here. But, again, it should be understood that Iran was constantly balancing on the brink of serious conflicts, and the principle of "there will be no war anyway," by which many Russian generals and admirals lived, was unlikely to be so widespread among the leaders of the Persian armed forces.

Iran has succeeded in creating a highly powerful radar network capable of monitoring its own and adjacent territories, including through over-the-horizon radars. It has also equipped its armed forces with a large number of air defense systems, including modern ones, and equipped them with passive electronic reconnaissance and electronic warfare systems.

The only shortcomings of Iran's air defense system include the wide variety of systems in its arsenal, which complicates data transmission and control. Another weakness worth mentioning is the extreme weakness of the Iranian Air Force, its lack of AWACS and modern fighters, which prevented the Iranians from establishing any effective cooperation between the Air Force and Air Defense, and also hampered the training of Air Defenses against modern air attack weapons.

Nevertheless, Iran's air defense hardware could be rated quite highly—in some respects, it was on par with, and in others, superior to, the Ukrainian air defense system of the 2022 model. The only advantage the Ukrainian Armed Forces had was the uniformity and limited range of air defense systems in service. However, the Iranians possessed some combat experience, something the Ukrainian anti-aircraft gunners completely lacked.

In 2022, the Ukrainian Air Defense Forces generally coped with the task of air defense - our Aerospace Forces, having suffered losses, were forced to stop “visits” to Ukrainian airspace, so the destruction of targets behind enemy lines had to be entrusted to cruise and ballistic missiles missiles, and later - on UAVs. The war is in its fifth year, but our aviation still cannot conduct air operations over Ukrainian territory with the involvement of significant aviation forces.

Many saw this as a triumph of air defense over the Air Force. But even many who understood that the success of the Ukrainian air defense was largely due to mistakes in the construction and management of the Russian Aerospace Forces still hoped that in a clash with Israel and the United States, Iranian air defenses... No, they wouldn't repel the attack, of course, but they would force the aggressor to pay a high price for the war they unleashed.

Unfortunately, these hopes were not destined to come true. Iran's air defenses suffered two crushing defeats: during the 12-Day War with Israel in 2025 and the war with the United States and Israel in 2026.

War with Israel 2025


On the night of June 13, 2025, the Israeli Air Force launched its first strike on Iran, involving approximately 200 combat aircraft. Other strikes followed... There is no detailed description of the Israeli air force's actions, but based on open sources, the following picture emerges.


The Israelis primarily struck at Iran's head, eliminating its military leadership. A total of 30 Iranian generals, including senior commanders, were killed during the 12-day war, and it's likely that a significant number of them were caught in the initial strike. Simultaneously, the Israeli Air Force attacked Iranian air defenses, with priority targets being fixed air situational awareness radars and mobile anti-aircraft missile target acquisition radars. They also achieved some success in this, which Iran indirectly confirmed, as it subsequently replaced some of its radars with new ones.

By the second day of the operation, Iran's air defenses were suppressed. Not destroyed, of course—the point is that the Israelis suppressed them in the areas they intended to strike, not over the entire territory of the Islamic Republic of Iran. In effect, Israel achieved air superiority in the areas of Iran it needed to ensure the flight of its combat aircraft over these areas.

Then came strikes on nuclear facilities, military bases, airfields, missile depots, and surface-to-surface missile launchers, as well as military industrial facilities, including a missile component factory, an oil storage facility, gas and oil refineries, and so on. These strikes had been carried out from the very beginning of the Israeli air offensive, but after the suppression of Iran's air defenses, the number of such strikes apparently increased.

Today, one often reads a version of events that Israel never entered Iranian airspace at all, but launched strikes from afar, using long-range munitions, including cruise missiles. This version doesn't hold up to scrutiny, if only because the vast majority of Israel's long-range aerial munitions have a range of 250–300 km (LORA alone has a range of 400 or even 430 km).


So, to attack central Iran, Israeli aircraft would still have to enter its airspace. The Israelis themselves claimed that their aircraft were flying over Iran. For example, Air Force Commander Major General Tomer Bar reported on June 14, 2025, the second day of the attacks:

After a powerful day in which we attacked hundreds of targets, including dozens of anti-aircraft targets, we launched a wave of precision strikes of operational and national significance over the skies of Tehran, improving our air superiority and freedom of action in Iran. For the first time since the beginning of the war, dozens of IAF fighters flew over Tehran, more than 1500 kilometers from Israeli territory, and attacked defense systems in the Tehran area.

IDF Spokesman E. Defrin stated the same day that the IDF had secured freedom of operation in Iranian airspace from the western border to Tehran and that 70 Israeli Air Force fighter jets had taken part in operations over Iran.

But even ignoring the above, it is impossible to deny the fact that the American strike on Iran’s nuclear centers was carried out with GBU-57 guided bunker buster bombs, which have a maximum range of 40–50 km.


That is, a strike from outside Persian airspace was technically impossible.

Since the Israelis failed to achieve their most important goal—disabling Iran's nuclear program—they persuaded the Americans to join in. The US launched a strike with 14 GBU-57 and 30 Tomahawk missiles, dropping a dozen GBU-57s on the Frodo uranium enrichment plant and two on the Natanz facility. Seven B-2 Spirit strategic bombers conducted the air strike, but the total number of aircraft involved in Operation Midnight Hammer, including reconnaissance aircraft, refueling tankers, and multirole fighters escorting the Spirits, as well as those striking Iranian air defenses, exceeded 125. A significant number of these, of course, violated Iranian airspace.

At the same time, it's quite obvious that the Iranians couldn't help but provide air defense coverage for such important facilities as nuclear centers. Even after Israel's initial successes, it would have been surprising if the Iranian military hadn't attempted to redeploy surviving radars and air defense systems to protect them.

So what did Iran's air defense achieve? It achieved its first confirmed victory on the sixth day of combat operations: on June 18, an Israeli aircraft was shot down. UAV Hermes 900.


And this victory... was a deafening slap in the face for Iran's air defenses, as the massive (at least 8,3 meters long, with a 15,3-meter wingspan), slow-moving (cruising speed of 145 km/h) drone was shot down near Isfahan, practically in the center of Iran. It turns out that the Hermes 900 had been flying over Iran for several hours before being shot down, covering at least 400 kilometers in Iranian airspace.

In other words, the Israelis had suppressed Iran's air defenses to the point where a target that was quite easy to intercept could fly halfway across the country before being shot down. In light of this fact, stories that Israeli and American aircraft were afraid to enter Iranian airspace and used weapon from areas out of reach of Iranian air defense, so to speak, they began to shine with new colors.

And then what? Before the end of the fighting, the Iranians managed to shoot down another Hermes 900, and possibly another UAV of the same type, or an Eitan. In total, 2-3 UAVs, although it's possible that several more were shot down. As for the aircraft, it seems they didn't shoot down a single one—everything Iran presented as proof was clearly a botched AI hoax.

I anticipate indignant comments—why does the author only list Israeli air losses? Where are the losses from Tehran's missile strikes on the "Promised Land"?! How many shekels was the author paid for this article? And so on and so forth...

The answer is very simple. Yes, Israel's air offensive failed to achieve its stated objectives. Yes, Iran did not accept this flagrant violation of its sovereignty. Yes, the Iranian leadership, despite heavy losses in its ranks, responded militarily to Israel's unprovoked aggression—and that response was significant.


But all of this is beyond the scope of this article, as I'm examining the effectiveness of Iran's air defenses, and the missile and UAV strikes on Israel have nothing to do with Iran's air defenses. And the fact that Iran demonstrated ironclad resilience and managed to inflict some damage on Israel doesn't change the fact that Iran's air defenses have completely failed in their mission to protect Iranian skies.

War with the USA and Israel in 2026


So, in the clash with Israel, Iran's air defenses suffered a crushing defeat. However, they were far from destroyed, and they gained much-needed experience in modern warfare. Of course, this experience cost Iran dearly, but once the price had been paid, it would have been a sin not to take advantage of it.

The Twelve-Day War of 2025 ended on June 25, 2025, and the American operation "Operation Indescribable Folly"... sorry, "Operation Epic Fury" began on February 28, 2026. Iran had a full eight months to figure out what went wrong in June 2025 and refine its air defense tactics. Furthermore, according to some reports, Iran received a replenishment of its battle-worn materiel—specifically, the latest Chinese HQ-22 medium-range air defense systems.

However, when the US and Israel struck Iran again, its air defenses were able to do little more than nothing.

The United States attacked Iran on February 28, and a temporary ceasefire began on the night of April 8, 2026. During the 39 days of the operation, Iran's air defenses managed to shoot down two aircraft: an F-15E Strike Eagle and an A-10 Thunderbolt II.


Another aircraft, an F-35, was seriously damaged. And that, in fact, is the extent of Iran's air defense success in terms of manned aircraft.

Again, I foresee a lot of hats with earflaps flying at the author of this article. Where are the other American losses: the KC-135 Stratotanker, the E-3C Sentry AWACS, etc.? They're not on this list because these losses aren't the work of Iran's air defenses, and we're examining their effectiveness—and no one else's.

The UAV strikes were more successful. While the exact number of UAVs shot down by Iranian air defenses is difficult to determine, it could well reach or even exceed forty. For example, on April 9, the Americans reported that the total number of MQ-9 Reapers lost during Operation Epic Fury was 24. However, not all of them were shot down by Iranian air defenses. At least one Reaper was shot down by Iraqi militias, several were destroyed on the runway by an Iranian UAV strike, and so on. For example, on March 19, the Americans reported the loss of 12 MQ-9 Reapers since the beginning of hostilities, but according to their own data, Iranian air defenses shot down only nine of these dozen.

In general, it would not be wrong to assume that Iranian anti-aircraft gunners shot down about 20 American UAVs, as well as at least 15 Israeli UAVs and a couple of UAVs from the UAE or Saudi Arabia.

Why were the Iranians able to do anything against UAVs, but nothing against US and Israeli manned aircraft? The answer is very simple.

Firstly, UAVs are disproportionately inferior to manned aircraft in terms of air defense countermeasures. A modern multirole fighter has a radar warning system (RWS), so its pilot can quickly detect when it's being targeted by an air defense radar. It also has an electronic warfare system that can jam attacking missiles with active or semi-active seekers, as well as IR decoys. Finally, a multirole fighter is capable of performing anti-missile evasive maneuvers.

Well, the Israeli and American UAVs used in Iran had none of this. The MQ-9 Reaper, for example, has an onboard radar and a thermal imaging sight, allowing it to detect and attack ground targets, and under certain conditions, even airborne ones, but the SLO, EWIt has no decoys. However, the MQ-9 Reaper's design and thrust-to-weight ratio prevent it from performing anti-missile maneuvers. Even if they did, they would be useless, as anti-missile maneuvers require information about a missile attack, which such UAVs have no way of obtaining.

In general, when a fighter pilot discovers their aircraft has been targeted by a SAM radar and missiles have been launched at it, it's extremely unpleasant and very dangerous, but far from a death sentence. A drone operator, however, generally only learns of a missile attack when the drone they're piloting is destroyed.

Secondly, by deploying manned aircraft where Iranian air defenses are still operational, the US and Israel provide cover with air defense suppression forces. If an Iranian radar is detected, they immediately begin jamming it and use anti-radar missiles and other munitions against it. At the same time, UAVs do not always operate under the cover of manned aircraft. Moreover, given that the Americans entered the war with Iran expecting a police operation rather than full-scale combat, they simply did not concentrate a sufficient number of manned aircraft to accomplish the tasks they were assigned. As a result, it can be assumed that the Americans were forced to use UAVs instead of manned aircraft to perform tasks unsuitable for UAVs. This, of course, inevitably resulted in unnecessary losses of UAVs.

On the role of UAVs in light of the effectiveness of Iran and Ukraine's air defenses


Unfortunately, today we often encounter erroneous assumptions about the advent of the UAV era in military affairs. In short, the logic is this: the Air Defense Forces have demonstrated that aviation is incapable of penetrating modern air defense systems, and therefore aviation is obsolete. Many ground target destruction tasks previously assigned to aircraft are now performed by aircraft. drones, which have become widespread in both the Russian and Ukrainian armed forces. Iran, while lacking air superiority, nevertheless managed to force powers with immeasurably superior air power to negotiate. Moreover, it achieved this by using missile and drone strikes, which US air defenses proved incapable of countering.

This leads to the conclusion that a new wonder weapon has emerged—His Majesty the UAV, capable of defeating anyone. But is this true? Let's examine all the above theses in more detail:

Thesis: The Air Defense Forces have proven that aviation cannot achieve air superiority if the enemy has more or less modern air defense systems.

Answer: The only thing the SVO has proven is that the Russian Aerospace Forces cannot achieve air superiority, even when operating against obsolete air defense systems (and the youngest Ukrainian systems were over 30 years old on February 22, 2022), whose design is thoroughly known to our armed forces (since the Russian Armed Forces themselves once operated such systems) and whose tactics are completely understandable (since the air defense systems of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and the Russian Armed Forces have the same roots – the USSR).

At the same time, the US and Israeli air forces have repeatedly proven that achieving air superiority against a very powerful, modern, and layered enemy air defense is entirely possible. Their combat operations against Iran are another example.

Moreover, the Iranian experience has demonstrated that air superiority can only be achieved with the appropriate equipment and tactics. Iran's air defenses are adept at shooting down drones, which lack both, but have proven completely powerless against manned aircraft, which possess and are skilled in the use of all those reconnaissance aircraft, electronic warfare systems, AWACS, and so on.

Therefore, as sad as it is to admit, if the Russian Aerospace Forces were ordered to fight Iran with, say, 400 aircraft, selected at the discretion of our command, this air group would achieve roughly the same results as against the Ukrainian Air Force's air defenses. That is, almost nothing. Meanwhile, the US Air Force, having allocated 400 aircraft from its complement, would very quickly crush the Ukrainian Air Force's anti-aircraft gunners into the black soil of Ukraine.

Thesis: Modern air defense cannot effectively combat UAVs.

Answer: This thesis is absolutely correct. The reason is that anti-UAV missiles are many times (or even orders of magnitude) more expensive than the UAVs themselves. Therefore, UAV attacks can be so widespread that they overwhelm the capabilities of virtually any air defense system.

Thesis: UAVs are capable of performing reconnaissance and engaging ground targets, tasks that were previously performed by tactical aircraft.

Answer: This is a false conclusion. For example, during Desert Storm, American aircraft effectively isolated combat zones, impeding the delivery of supplies and the maneuvering of Iraqi troop units. Meanwhile, neither the Ukrainian Armed Forces nor the Russian Federation, despite their numerous UAVs, can demonstrate anything comparable. Even when the enemy is two-thirds encircled, our armed forces are usually unable to completely disrupt supply lines. This is extremely difficult, but possible. Further to the rear, the Ukrainian Armed Forces command easily removes units, up to several brigades, from some sectors of the front and redeploys them to others. Moreover, the Russian Armed Forces command is often unaware of the enemy's concentration of forces, which allows the Ukrainian Armed Forces to periodically launch surprise counterattacks.

Thesis: Air superiority is insignificant, or the US failed to achieve air superiority because it failed to "bomb" Iran out of the war. The US objectives in the operation against Iran were not achieved.

Answer: The US's failure in the war with Iran is not due to Iran's air defenses or air superiority, but to the US's appalling preparation for the conflict. Donald Trump truly didn't understand what he was getting into. He thought he could lightly bomb Iran with a few hundred planes, and the ayatollah regime would "beg him for a deal."

To be fair, it should be noted that Donald Trump had reason to believe this. He could have been misled by Iran's willingness to make peace in the 12-Day War, immediately after Israel and the United States expressed their desire to cease hostilities. He could also have been misled by Iran's purely formal military response to US aggression. In 2025, Iran attacked a US base not to harm the Americans, but to save face in front of the Iranian population. And the United States understood this perfectly well.

But in 2026, the Iranians, God bless them, took up the war in earnest.


And it immediately turned out that the forces concentrated against Iran were clearly insufficient to force the Iranian leadership to peace.

The air force deployed against Yugoslavia, which began the conflict with 350 aircraft, was quickly expanded to 1000. For Operation Desert Storm against Iraq, which was roughly twice the size of Yugoslavia, the US and its allies deployed approximately 2800 aircraft. In Iran, whose territory is almost four times larger than Iraq, they planned to make do with approximately 500 US and Israeli aircraft.

Moreover, in Desert Storm, the Americans had no intention of winning the war solely through air power. They concentrated numerous ground forces, which were then thrown into battle in the final phase of the operation. In other words, the air power of the multinational force was not intended to force Saddam Hussein to peace on its own; its only task was to weaken the Iraqi forces sufficiently to allow the ground forces to achieve their objectives with minimal losses.

An inadequate target and a completely insufficient force composition are why the US and Israeli air forces were unable to force Iran to peace, even though they had established air superiority.

Thesis: In their counter-attack on Iran and its cheap drones, the Americans have inflicted enormous damage on the US Air Force—the cost of the destroyed American aircraft has exceeded a billion dollars. This is an effective asymmetric response of air power—cheap and deadly drones!

Answer: Certainly, Iranian drones have inflicted significant damage on the Americans, but everything is relative. Israel has estimated the cost of a war with Iran in 2026 at $11,52 billion. The Americans are unlikely to be more. Iran, however, has estimated the damage from US and Israeli air attacks at $270 billion, even though this figure is crude and preliminary. Undoubtedly, drones are very good in terms of cost-effectiveness, but it cannot be ignored that Iran, waging a war with missiles and drones against air power, has suffered far more damage than it has managed to inflict on the aggressors.

Conclusions


They are very simple. UAVs have undoubtedly become a new word in military art. From now on and for a very long time, if not forever, armies incapable of using UAVs en masse will no longer be considered modern. To date, no effective countermeasures have yet been found against either battlefield UAVs or Geranium-type unmanned aerial vehicles aimed at striking the enemy's rear. In this regard, the Soviet Military District is truly highly instructive, and military operations will never be the same after it.

But despite all this, UAVs, even in the current conditions, when troops are just learning to fight them, cannot replace cruise missiles, manned aircraft, artillery, armored vehicles, etc. They perfectly complement all of the above and will undoubtedly become a decisive argument in a clash with an enemy possessing the same weapons, but without UAVs.

Thank you for attention!

P.S. "What are you writing, author!" some reader will exclaim upon reaching these lines: "Iran, with the help of its drones, managed to bring the world's leading power to the negotiating table!"

That's true, but not entirely. And if you think about it, it's not true at all.

The future is uncertain, but Iran is winning now—that's certain. But why?

Because he's not afraid to fight and fight back—with all the force he can muster, stopping at nothing, even though he's fighting a decidedly stronger enemy. The Persians were attacked by the United States—a country immeasurably superior to Iran in military power, possessing nuclear weapons, and truly capable of wiping Iran off the face of the earth. Scared? Iran couldn't care less.

Next. Iran has clashed with a clearly superior enemy, so what? At the same time, it's attacking other countries—the UAE, Bahrain, Kuwait, Jordan, Oman, Saudi Arabia, Qatar... It would be fine if the Iranians were only attacking US military bases in these countries. But no—they're also attacking factories and infrastructure, providing an excellent pretext for the Arab powers to enter the war.

What is Iran doing? The UAE Air Force alone, with its 79 F-16s and 68 Mirages, was superior to the Iranian Air Force in combat capability even before the Israeli and US strikes!


But, fighting against a clearly superior enemy, Iran is prepared to escalate. What is a war against just two modern powers—the United States, with its 250-year history, and infant Israel—for a civilization whose history, by the most conservative estimates, is 2500 years old? Just two states... Give me seven more!

No, even this seems a bit too small for the descendants of Darius. And Iran is closing the Strait of Hormuz, now stepping on a sore spot for the European Union as well—and this at a time when the US is directly pushing Europe into armed conflict with Iran. Trump unconvincing? Well, the ayatollahs are generous: there you have it, fellow Europeans, a fig instead of hydrocarbons and an excellent pretext for entering the war against Iran on the US side.

But if you think about it—what is this Iran? It's just a developing country, whose economy and military potential are frankly insignificant compared to the combined might of NATO and the Arab countries. Iran has no magic wand, no insurance, nothing at all... But it wasn't afraid to stand up, sword in hand, against half the world.

Iran wasn't cowardly, like, "Oh, I can't even stand up to the US; under no circumstances can we allow the formation of an international anti-Iranian coalition!" Iran's missiles and drones told the world, "Yes, you can destroy Iran. But be prepared to pay the real price!" Instead of frightening itself with the consequences of its actions, Iran acted. And through its actions, it left the entire world tormented by the thought: "Are we prepared to pay such a price to crush Iran?"

And the world... turned out to be unprepared—at least not yet. As unpleasant as rising oil and gas prices were for Europe, it didn't dare go to war with Iran. Whatever the financial losses the Arab countries had suffered, they were afraid of losing even more if the conflict escalated.

In other words, the Europeans didn't consider it feasible to go to war with an enemy that, although inferior in weaponry and technology, was willing to fight. With what it had. If only the Europeans had been the only ones... The US, faced with the prospect of not just a police operation but a full-blown war at full force, began looking for ways to back down while, if possible, preserving face. Because the US, of course, could seriously engage Iran, put pressure on its allies, deploy its air force to the region, bringing its total to about 1,500 aircraft, deploy another five or so strike groups, redeploy ground forces to Iraq, and so on and so forth.

But they didn't expect to do this, and they absolutely don't want to. Yes, the US is certainly capable of it. But they don't want to expend the manpower, bear the financial costs of deploying and using troops, or lose personnel for a war that most Americans simply don't consider theirs and don't understand why it's necessary.

And here, of course, interesting parallels arise.

Iran wasn't afraid to strike countries that, while not directly at war with it, were indirectly involved in the conflict by providing territory for US forces. The Russian Federation didn't consider this feasible. Because a strike on NATO territory could be considered aggression against the entire bloc, because NATO could declare war, because the war could escalate into a nuclear war... I can only assume that the risks of striking the logistics hubs through which arms were flowing to Ukraine were deemed excessive.

But here's the interesting part: what would have happened if the Russian Federation's leadership, instead of assessing the risks to Russia, had launched a strike on the territory of Poland and other countries assisting Ukraine? What if the Russian Armed Forces had started shooting down planes and sinking ships carrying military aid to Zelenskyy and Co.? What if our country, like Iran today, hadn't calculated the consequences of its actions but had carried them out, forcing NATO to calculate the risks of its decisions? After which, not the Russian leadership, but the US and the West would be faced with the question: are they ready to continue? Are they ready to attack a nuclear power capable of wiping out any single European country or driving the US back to the Stone Age in 25-40 minutes?

For me personally, the answer is now completely obvious. And it's precisely here that lies the reason why Iran forced the US to back down in just over a month, while another country, having expended an order of magnitude more missiles and drones, has been unable to bring Ukraine to the negotiating table for five years.

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  1. -18
    April 20 2026 05: 28
    The author has forgotten, or perhaps even ignored, the fact that Europe has been essentially at war with us for four years now, and the Ukrainian Reich's air defenses are already 90% Western. And Europe isn't ready to open a second front against Iran. And the author should read up on what Europe's main resources are being spent on there now. There's a call for a "march on Russia" coming from every corner. And these die-hard, unfinished Nazis aren't interested in any war, especially because if they win there, the FSA will take everything for themselves, while in Russia they'll get something too. That's how it is. hi
    And air defense without the support of the Air Force is no more than one arm.
    1. + 25
      April 20 2026 08: 14
      Quote: jonht
      The author just forgot, or perhaps even ignored, the fact that Europe has been at war with us for four years now, and the Ukrainian Reich's air defense system is now 90% Western-made.

      The only thing you're missing is that the first Western-made air defense systems arrived in Ukraine about a year after the start of the Second World War. Before that, the Ukrainian Armed Forces had stopped the Aerospace Forces with what they had, plus a few additional S-300s that were lying around in Europe, but there weren't many of those.
      1. -9
        April 20 2026 08: 38
        Hello. Our air force didn't leave their skies immediately either, but after their destroyed air defense units were restored, at the expense of former Warsaw Pact countries. For that, we should thank those who believed in the negotiations in Turkey. And after this lull, the Ukrainian Armed Forces changed their air defense operations. And don't discount factors like NATO-based AWACS, reconnaissance, and electronic warfare aircraft; they've been deployed by the Ukrainian Armed Forces since the beginning of the conflict. And when the FSA started providing them with satellite data, they tracked all our sorties, practically in real time. Perhaps only now, if hangars have been built at airfields, are there any ways to confuse them. hi
        1. + 18
          April 20 2026 08: 46
          Quote: jonht
          So our aviation didn't leave their skies right away either.

          A few days after the start of the Second World War, the Ukrainian Armed Forces used the air defense they had at the start of the conflict.
          Quote: jonht
          And don't write off factors like NATO countries' AWACS, reconnaissance, and electronic warfare aircraft.

          They can't cover the entire territory of Ukraine; a significant part is beyond their coverage. And we were forced to withdraw from everywhere.
          Quote: jonht
          And when the FSA started providing them with satellite data, all our flights were tracked there, one could say, almost in real time.

          Operational-tactical aviation - definitely not, strategists - doubtful.
        2. + 11
          April 20 2026 09: 02
          Quote: jonht
          Our aviation also left their skies not immediately, but after their destroyed air defense units were restored, at the expense of the countries of the former Warsaw Pact.

          This is not true! No. Western deliveries began much later. The Russian Aerospace Forces suffered the bulk of their losses over Ukraine in 2022 from older, Soviet-made systems.
          Ukrainian air defense missile systems used against Russian aircraft
          https://topwar.ru/201486-ukrainskie-zenitnye-raketnye-kompleksy-obektovoj-pvo-ispolzuemye-protiv-rossijskoj-aviacii.html
          Ukrainian mobile air defense air defense systems used against Russian aviation
          https://topwar.ru/201315-ukrainskie-mobilnye-zrk-vojskovoj-pvo-zadejstvovannye-protiv-rossijskoj-aviacii.html
          Portable anti-aircraft missile systems in the armed forces of Ukraine
          https://topwar.ru/200946-perenosnye-zenitnye-raketnye-kompleksy-v-vooruzhennyh-silah-ukrainy.html
          1. -1
            April 20 2026 19: 35
            hi
            This is perhaps the best that exists on this topic at the moment.
            Ukrainian air defense missile systems used against Russian aircraft
            https://topwar.ru/201486-ukrainskie-zenitnye-raketnye-kompleksy-obektovoj-pvo-ispolzuemye-protiv-rossijskoj-aviacii.html
            Ukrainian mobile air defense air defense systems used against Russian aviation
            https://topwar.ru/201315-ukrainskie-mobilnye-zrk-vojskovoj-pvo-zadejstvovannye-protiv-rossijskoj-aviacii.html
            Portable anti-aircraft missile systems in the armed forces of Ukraine
            https://topwar.ru/200946-perenosnye-zenitnye-raketnye-kompleksy-v-vooruzhennyh-silah-ukrainy.html
      2. 0
        April 21 2026 15: 58
        Iran's air defense consists of seriously outdated fighters and fake helicopters, a dozen S-300 missile launchers, and a small number of domestically produced air defense systems of dubious quality.

        Ukraine's air defense forces have 200 MiG-29 and Su-27 fighters, 40 S-300 battalions, BUKs, and Tors, and after the destruction of these systems, they acquired F-16s, Patriots, and Nasams, plus support from Western reconnaissance satellites and AWACS aircraft.

        And you're seriously writing about the superiority of Iranian air defense

        In 2019, Iran attempted to purchase the S-400 Triumph from Russia, but the latter rejected the offer. - And you write that they don't need the S-400.

        In April 2011, Iran declared that the supply of Russian anti-aircraft missile systems should not be covered by the UN Security Council resolution, since the contract was signed before the imposition of sanctions. Iran filed a $900 million lawsuit against Rosoboronexport in the OSCE Court of Conciliation and Arbitration. However, the court, on its own initiative, added an additional $3 billion to the claim. Iran expressed its willingness to withdraw the lawsuit if Russia fulfilled the contract. The Russian air defense systems were so reluctant that they filed a lawsuit.
        1. +2
          April 21 2026 18: 02
          Quote: Kull90
          and a small number of air defense systems of our own production

          Literally, several hundred, not counting MANPADS...
          Quote: Kull90
          In 2019, Iran attempted to purchase the S-400 Triumph from Russia, but the latter rejected the offer.

          This is according to American reports.
          1. -2
            April 21 2026 18: 52
            What hundreds of complexes? If there are ten, that's good. The US doesn't have that many complexes, and you counted Iran without any evidence. You could count a million, but there aren't even two dozen videos of damaged complexes.
            1. +2
              April 21 2026 19: 00
              Quote: Kull90
              What hundreds of complexes? If there are ten, that's good.

              Yeah. Mercedes alone were listed as having 300 launchers, Raad/Khordad as having up to 400 launchers, Bavar 373 with up to 12 batteries (how many are in a battery? 6 launchers?), and so on.
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                April 21 2026 19: 49
                Is there any evidence other than words?
                At least there is a lot of evidence and documentation regarding the Pukry air defense system.

                Raad/Khordad up to 400 units of the Buk analogue, the USSR with its powerful industry could not have built so many BUKs, and you have Iran
                The Jews could have counted a million SAMs there.
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                  April 21 2026 19: 54
                  And there is no question why, with so many unconfirmed air defense systems, in the episodes of shooting down F-4 aircraft (Bushehr) and a plane with PUKRAs (Tehran), the TOR air defense system (29 units) was used everywhere.
            2. +1
              April 21 2026 20: 57
              But there aren't even two dozen videos of damaged complexes

              But this does not mean that only two dozen complexes were destroyed)))
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                April 21 2026 21: 00
                Of course it doesn't, but there's also no faith in the words of the Jews and Americans that Iran's air defense has been completely destroyed 7 times already.
                1. +1
                  April 21 2026 21: 09
                  Well, it's clear, that is, it is based on faith, those who you want to believe, and those who you shouldn't)))
                  Even if you send me 100500 videos of the destruction of Iranian air defense systems, you'll still find something to complain about.
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                    April 22 2026 12: 52
                    Before you speak for me, send me 100500 videos of the destruction of Iran's air defenses.
                    I followed the conflict: there won't be a video of the damaged systems, not even a couple dozen, but in words, the Jews and Americans completely destroyed Iran's air defenses 7 times

                    There are videos of some trucks being destroyed, a school with small children, painted helicopters, destroyed F-14s that have been standing in that spot for a couple of years, and there are also videos of C-130s and helicopters of the American army being destroyed.

                    There is also a video of MiG-29 flights over Tehran during the ceasefire.
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                      April 22 2026 13: 07
                      But in words, the Jews and Americans have completely destroyed Iran's air defenses 7 times

                      But that's how it is... Iran's air defense is localized and can't do anything against the Americans and the Jews, and that's an indisputable fact... and no videos are needed.
                      But the fact that you, to please Iran, are trying to portray them as obviously weak, while also being unable to provide any objective facts, just to avoid admitting the inability of the Russian Aerospace Forces to repeat the same air offensive operation in the skies over Ukraine, suggests that no matter what evidence you present, you would still find something to nitpick, because, of course, on the basis of all this, analogies will be drawn with the conduct of the SVO and uncomfortable questions will be asked, although they already exist.
                      There is also a video of MiG-29 flights over Tehran during the ceasefire.

                      Which appeared ONLY when nothing threatened him anymore...that's certainly strong!))))
                      1. 0
                        April 22 2026 13: 36
                        Before you make any claims on my behalf, provide evidence and we'll decide whether there's any need to nitpick. You just have slogans and no evidence.
                        You claim the complete destruction of Iran's air defense (you've already claimed it's been destroyed 7 times) and you don't provide evidence of how Iran's completely destroyed air defense shot down an F-15 at the end of the conflict.

                        Iran's air defense is inherently weak, a dozen S-300 launchers, which is significantly less than 40 S-300 divisions, a dozen export MiG-29 fighters, less than 100 MiG-29 and Su-27 fighters,

                        Iran fought on its own, but the world is asking for help.

                        Russia can defeat the Pukros in 2 days using nuclear weapons.
                      2. +1
                        April 22 2026 13: 58
                        Before you make any claims on my behalf, provide evidence and we'll decide whether there's any need to nitpick. You just have slogans and no evidence.

                        So you can't prove anything other than your own words, but you're demanding proof from me? It's interesting how the girls dance, though.
                        You claim the complete destruction of Iran's air defense (you've already claimed it's been destroyed 7 times) and you don't provide evidence of how Iran's completely destroyed air defense shot down an F-15 at the end of the conflict.

                        There's no need to take this as an absolute... everyone understands perfectly well that Iran still has separate SAM launchers that can carry out fire damage... but the air defense system, as a single system, is suppressed and destroyed, otherwise, the fighters and strategists of the Americans and Jews would fall in droves.
                        The fact that Iran cannot fight the US Air Force and the IDF does not mean that..."Iran's air defense is inherently weak."
                        than 40 S-300 divisions

                        How many of these systems were combat-ready as of February 2022?
                        than 100 MiG-29 and Su-27 fighters,

                        How many of them were airworthy as of 2022?
                        And why do you present this as a justification for the Russian Aerospace Forces?)))
                        Pukrs are requested all over the world

                        Yes, they ask... but they didn't start receiving it from the first months of the Second World War, as has already been said here many times)
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                        April 22 2026 15: 21
                        So you promised proof (100500 videos) and also wrote that I would be picky, so provide the video, and I'll think about whether to picky or not.

                        Iran's air defense is very weak, and since they were constantly under sanctions, they couldn't do much; if they were firing missiles and flying over deserts, how could they suffer losses?

                        According to estimates, up to 250 S-300 installations out of 480 (this is still more than a dozen launchers), and how many of that small number of air defense systems did Iran have that were combat-ready?

                        This is in flying condition, there were about 300, and how many did Iran have in flying condition?

                        Slovakia handed over the S-300 anti-aircraft missile system to Ukraine, TV Noviny reports. - April 8, the first months of the SVO
                      4. 0
                        April 22 2026 15: 46
                        So you promised proof (100500 videos) and also wrote that I would be picky, so provide the video, and I'll think about whether to picky or not.

                        Did I promise? Do you even know how to read?)))
                        The phrase "even if" does not imply that I have these videos!)
                        Iran's air defense is very weak, and since they were constantly under sanctions, they couldn't do much; if they were firing missiles and flying over deserts, how could they suffer losses?

                        Fantasies again!
                        This is in flying condition, there were about 300, and how many did Iran have in flying condition?

                        No, a hundred aircraft were exactly what their Air Force had in 2022; no one knows how many were actually flying.
                        What difference does it make how much Iran has, they didn't help them anyway)
                        Slovakia handed over the S-300 anti-aircraft missile system to Ukraine, TV Noviny reports. - April 8, the first months of the SVO

                        Oh my...one ancient division, 12 SPU...this certainly "strengthened" Ukraine's air defense, which was installed back in April, no doubt about it.
                      5. -1
                        April 22 2026 18: 00
                        You have no evidence of your fantasies, so why were you arguing?

                        Do you even deny sanctions against Iran?

                        No, these are not flight decks, and we took them into account when comparing the air defense capabilities of countries, and you see, you began to understand that Iran has very weak air defense, you already acknowledged the lack of aircraft, Ukraine had them
                        And they should probably understand that a country that has been under sanctions for 40 years cannot create high-tech weapons like anti-aircraft missile systems.

                        So why beat around the bush? You wrote that they weren't helped in the first months, and the S-300 is the same age as the Patriot and has better capabilities, and 12 SPUs is practically the same as what Iran had in total.
                        You're finally starting to get it, but frankly, you're getting tired of their unsubstantiated fantasies.
        2. +1
          April 21 2026 20: 59
          a small number of domestically produced air defense systems of dubious quality

          Where did you get this information? Apart from your words, do you have any documents confirming this?
          1. -1
            April 21 2026 21: 03
            There is no evidence to support this, but you also have no refutation of my words, and the author of the article also has no evidence.
            1. +1
              April 21 2026 21: 08
              but you also have no refutation of my words, and the author of the article also does not have any evidence

              And they won't be there because the Americans won't publish every air defense system they destroy to please you!
              And two, proof that Iran's air defense system was unable to defend itself... is its lack of countermeasures (destruction, suppression)
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                April 22 2026 12: 57
                The downed Reapers and Hermeses indicate ambush actions by Iranian air defense; someone shot down the F-15, too.
                Of course they won't, you have to believe the Americans at their word, the Jews, for example, already completely destroyed Iran's air defense in 2024 and 2025

                2024 article: "The Wall Street Journal (WSJ), citing unnamed US and Israeli officials, said three of Iran's four remaining long-range S-300 air defense systems were among the critical Iranian military infrastructure destroyed Saturday. The fourth S-300 system was struck by Israel earlier this year. Thus, Saturday's Israeli attack left Iran without the means to early-warn and engage enemy aircraft and missiles, potentially leaving the country's skies open to further Israeli incursions.

                The problem with Iran's air defense is the small number of air defense systems, which the Iranians simply hid and used as ambushes.
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                  April 22 2026 13: 13
                  The downed Reapers and Hermeses indicate ambush actions by Iranian air defense; someone shot down the F-15, too.
                  Of course they won't, you have to believe the Americans at their word, the Jews, for example, already completely destroyed Iran's air defense in 2024 and 2025

                  Of course!)))
                  You trusted Konashenkov at the beginning of the SVO, and you trusted Shoigu, and you didn’t need any video evidence for that.
                  Well, yes, in 39 days of operation, shooting down as many as 3 manned aircraft is certainly a lot.
                  2024 article: "The Wall Street Journal (WSJ), citing unnamed US and Israeli officials, said three of Iran's four remaining long-range S-300 air defense systems were among the critical Iranian military infrastructure destroyed on Saturday. The fourth S-300 system was struck by Israel earlier this year.

                  You don't trust Jews and Americans, do you?
                  Iran's air defense problem is the small number of air defense systems.

                  Well, what are these judgments based on?
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                    April 22 2026 13: 26
                    What I believe is none of your business, but believing the Jewish and American idiots is stupid. You pretended not to notice the Reapers and Hermes, and the F-15 was shot down at the end of the conflict, when, in words, all of Iran's air defense had already been destroyed many times over.

                    Of course we don't believe the Jews and the Americans, they already said they destroyed Iran's air defense in 2024, but you're the one writing that Iran's air defense was destroyed, but the Jews and the Americans don't have to prove anything

                    These judgments are based on Iran's technological level; powerful countries such as Russia and the United States do not have as many systems as Iran has been counted to have (for example, the Buk air defense missile system was produced by the USSR/Russia over 40 years, with 400 units, while Iran has a similar Raad system created in 2012, and they also counted 400 units).
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                      April 22 2026 13: 28
                      And there are plenty of videos of Pukrov air defense missile systems being destroyed on the internet.
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                        April 22 2026 13: 34
                        However, for some reason, the Aerospace Forces were unable to gain air superiority in the first weeks of the Central Military District, and Ukrainian MiGs were flying over our paratroopers in Gostomel, even though they claimed to have destroyed the Ukrainian Air Force and Air Defense... something doesn't add up here. recourse
                      2. +1
                        April 22 2026 13: 45
                        So there's a video of the MIG Pukrov crashing.

                        The PUKs have strong air defense (40 S-300 divisions, as well as Buk, Tor, Osa, S-125 air defense systems, hundreds of MiG-29 and Su-27 fighters) + satellite and ADR support from Western countries; at the moment, no country has tried to suppress such a strong air defense.

                        And how can you suppress air defense if they send new systems to replace the ones destroyed?

                        786 JASSM air-to-ground missiles, 414 HARM/AARGM air-to-ground anti-radar missiles, and another 86 ATACMS/PrSM missiles. Why use these missiles if Iran's air defenses are completely destroyed and can be bombed point-blank... something doesn't add up here.
                      3. +1
                        April 22 2026 14: 06
                        So there's a video of the MIG Pukrov crashing.

                        Show
                        The PUKs have strong air defense (40 S-300 divisions, as well as Buk, Tor, Osa, S-125 air defense systems, hundreds of MiG-29 and Su-27 fighters) + satellite and ADR support from Western countries; at the moment, no country has tried to suppress such a strong air defense.

                        Answered above.
                        786 JASSM air-to-ground missiles, 414 HARM/AARGM air-to-ground anti-radar missiles, and another 86 ATACMS/PrSM missiles. Why use these missiles if Iran's air defenses are completely destroyed and can be bombed point-blank... something doesn't add up here.

                        And this is supposedly your evidence? laughing
                        You, like rityka32, and another character, Vladimir, have the same arguments, like carbon copies, it's even funny laughing
                        Well, one doesn't preclude the other...nobody's banning the use of long-range missiles, coupled with manned aircraft. Iran has a lot of targets, and the country is bigger than Ukraine. And considering that your statistics include anti-radar missiles, almost 500 of them used, that doesn't tell you anything...that the Americans used them to take out air defense radars, and how many of them did Iran have?
                        something doesn't add up here

                        So, everything fits together here...but the claims that the Ukrainian Air Defense Force ceased to exist in the first weeks of the conflict, while Ukrainian Air Force aircraft continued to fly, that, yes, doesn't add up.
                      4. +1
                        April 22 2026 14: 32
                        The destruction of a MiG-29 fighter jet over the Kyiv Reservoir was captured on video – just type it into Yandex.

                        Why use the scarce missiles in warehouses of about 3 if the air defense is suppressed and you can bomb with cheap bombs? These are just excuses.
                        The number of Harm missiles fired suggests they were aimed at nothing, since Iran's air defense shot down an F-15 at the end of the conflict.

                        There's a video of MiG-29s flying over Tehran after the conflict ended, and the stinking Pukrah air force was hiding in Poland, while the Iranian air force had nowhere to hide.
                      5. +1
                        April 22 2026 14: 39
                        and why use the deficient missiles in warehouses of about 3 thousand

                        It's as if you've gone blind...nobody's stopping them from being used in addition to airstrikes. You're writing utter nonsense...and what are we supposed to do with these missiles? Just look at them. laughing
                        A face-palm is just...your arguments))
                        The number of Harm missiles fired suggests they were fired at milk.

                        This just speaks to your imagination, which, again, came out of nowhere... but you pick on others and demand from them an up-to-date list of Iran's air defense systems)))
                        Moreover, the stinking Pukrah's air force was hiding in Poland, while the Iranian air force had nowhere to hide.

                        Was everyone hiding there? Any confirmation?
                        and the Iranian Air Force had nowhere to hide

                        They have a huge country at their disposal; it wouldn't be difficult to deploy a couple dozen MiG-29s, and what good would they be if they couldn't do anything except hide?
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                        April 22 2026 15: 04
                        Then Russia gained air supremacy, we shoot missiles and bomb PUKs (in February, up to 225 bombs per month), but why fly far, we can shoot missiles, why should they sit in warehouses?

                        So your words are just fantasies about destroying Iran's weak air defense. My assessments of the Harm missiles are based on the photos of these missiles scattered throughout the Donbass, as well as on articles on the Internet.

                        Videos of an Il-76 military transport aircraft from the 25th Transport Aviation Brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces landing have appeared on Western aviation resources.
                        This unit was based in Melitopol and, before the liberation of the city, hastily moved west, leaving behind two dozen faulty aircraft and several serviceable ones at their home airfield—they didn't have time to ferry them. Where do you think the MiG-29 and Su-24 aircraft are being repaired and upgraded to carry Storm Shadow missiles and Hummer bombs?

                        Ukraine is also a huge country, and it's not a desert, so hiding air defense systems and aircraft wouldn't be difficult, and Poland is right next door.

                        Of course, you can't do anything with a dozen MiG-29s and a dozen SAM launchers, but at the end of the conflict, SAMs were able to shoot down F-15s, and Reapers and Hermeses shot down batches of them, with video and photographic evidence.
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                        April 22 2026 15: 55
                        Then Russia gained air supremacy, we shoot missiles and bomb PUKs (in February, up to 225 bombs per month), but why fly far, we can shoot missiles, why should they sit in warehouses?

                        Russia couldn't... because bombing strikes were no longer carried out at operational depth, unlike the US, which suppressed Iran's air defenses and felt quite free)))
                        Ukraine is also a huge country, and it's not a desert, so hiding air defense systems and aircraft wouldn't be difficult, and Poland is right next door.

                        These are already questions for the Russian Aerospace Forces, which were unable to suppress Ukraine's air defense.
                        But at the end of the conflict, the air defense missile systems were able to shoot down F-15s, and they shot down Reapers and Hermes missiles in droves, with video and photographic evidence.

                        And this is, of course, a success.
                        So your words are just fantasies about the destruction of Iran's weak air defense,

                        No, not fantasy, but reality... because the Pin- d-os feel free in the skies over Iran, after the suppression, and Iran has no choice but to act from ambushes, at random.
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                        April 22 2026 17: 47
                        Iran has weak air defense, and it was mostly hidden from the start, which is why there are so few videos of defeats. They immediately began working from ambushes (this is evidenced by the number of downed Reapers and Hermes, as well as the downed F-15 at the end (not at the beginning) of the conflict).

                        Ukraine's air defense is two orders of magnitude more powerful than Iran's (40 S-300 divisions versus Iran's dozen launchers) + Western assistance with reconnaissance and AWACS (Iran has no support) + the West is sending another system to replace the one destroyed

                        For Iran's weak air defense, this is quite a success.

                        Well, the F-15 pilot who was shot down at the end of the conflict would dispute your opinion.
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                      April 22 2026 13: 50
                      What I believe is none of your business

                      Come on, don't be offended, who hasn't made mistakes in their life?
                      but believing the roosters, Jews and Americans, is stupid

                      Who said I believe them? I believe my own eyes, which see that Iran, with its air defense and air force, couldn't cope.
                      You pretended not to notice about the Rippers and Hermes.

                      Of course... why should I notice them if a low-speed UAV and a manned fighter are different things in terms of their performance characteristics and specifications, and are essentially consumables (even if in the case of the Americans they are expensive, of course, but they have about 300 of them).
                      These judgments are based on Iran's technological level

                      Which didn't stop Iran from creating a large number of simple and complex IRBMs to strike US and Israeli targets... but why should things be any different when it comes to air defense? Yes, I agree, it's entirely possible there aren't 400 of them, but who's to say there couldn't be 100, or 200, or even 150?
                      Of course we don't believe the Jews and Americans, they've already destroyed the air defense in words.

                      Should they have recorded or posted the defeat of each SPU on video?
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                        April 22 2026 14: 04
                        It's good that you're starting to admit your mistake.

                        Iran had a dozen MiG-29s and a dozen S-300 launchers, has a weak industry and is clearly incapable of producing fighters and air defense systems. Judging by the ballistics, judging by the accuracy, it is something like the Scud. They could easily be produced in large quantities, and stockpiles have been accumulating since the 1990s.

                        Both the UAV and the fighter need to be shot down somehow, and how can this be done if the air defense has been completely destroyed 7 times, especially since the F-15 was shot down at the end of the conflict?

                        At least you're starting to think

                        Well, they post attacks on drawn helicopters and mock-ups of launchers, or on F-14s and Scud missile launchers without wheels, standing in the same place for several years now.
                        For some reason, when destroying Patriots on the Pukre, everyone demands a video
                      2. +1
                        April 22 2026 14: 13
                        It's good that you're starting to admit your mistake.

                        Your mistake?)))
                        Catch up! I never stated the number of Raad-2 air defense missile systems... that was the author's doing.
                        Iran had a dozen MiG-29s and a dozen S-300 launchers, has a weak industry and is clearly incapable of producing fighters and air defense systems. Judging by the ballistics, judging by the accuracy, it is something like the Scud. They could easily be produced in large quantities, and stockpiles have been accumulating since the 1990s.

                        How can they not, when they produce both ballistic missiles and air defense systems?
                        You already decide)
                        Well, they post attacks on drawn helicopters and mock-ups of launchers, or on F-14s and Scud missile launchers without wheels.

                        Well, sometimes they hit false targets, but does that serve as any kind of proof of anything?
                        When the Patriots are destroyed on the Pukre, everyone demands a video

                        I didn't demand this from you at all)))
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                        April 22 2026 14: 21
                        For example, the DPRK also produces a lot of ballistic missiles, but practically does not produce air defense systems or fighters.

                        They could have accumulated large quantities of ballistic missiles since 1990, but you can't do much with air defense systems created in 2012. Therefore, based on Iran's technological level, it can be understood that Iran has weak air defense, which has already been destroyed seven times in words by Jews and roosters.

                        Why post a video of a painted helicopter being hit, but hide the video of the air defense missile system being hit?

                        This is what they demand from the Russian Ministry of Defense, and now you're suggesting we take the words of the Jews and the roosters
                      4. 0
                        April 22 2026 14: 32
                        Why post a video of a painted helicopter being hit, but hide the video of the air defense missile system being hit?

                        You see, Kull90, there could be two completely obvious reasons here... first, not everything and not always was filmed, so these video confirmations could not have existed at all, there is nothing wrong with that.
                        Second... SAM systems or their components were hit by anti-aircraft missiles, and in this case, a priori, filming is out of the question.
                        This is what they demand from the Russian Ministry of Defense, and now you're suggesting we take the words of the Jews and the roosters

                        I'm not suggesting we believe them, but I'm suggesting we believe common sense...and it says that Iran's air defense system, as a UNIFIED system, has ceased to exist.
                        But you can't do much with the air defense systems created in 2012, and therefore, based on Iran's technological level, it can be understood that Iran has weak air defense.

                        Well, how much is too much? How much is too much for you?)))
                        You're only talking about the RAAD-2 air defense system, but Iran has many other systems besides that... You're using open data about the state of Iran's air defenses, so look at how much and what they had besides the S-300 and Raad 2, which you've already tormented here with your spam)))
                        Furthermore... Ukraine also had a weak technological level of development in 2022, and its air defense was also in decline, with no new systems at all, unlike Iran, and I won't even mention aircraft, so Ukraine's Air Force and Air Defense should also be considered weak.
                      5. +1
                        April 22 2026 14: 51
                        The air defense systems or their components were hit by anti-aircraft missiles, and in this case, a priori, there can be no talk of filming. But there is evidence of damage, or maybe they were not hit.

                        NATO aircraft launched a total of approximately 750–800 HARM missiles over the Balkans in the 90s. No more than 130 electromagnetic sources were attacked, and only 3–6% of the attacked targets were hit by the missiles. The consumption of HARM missiles during the second operation against Iraq in 2003 exceeded 400. Thus, for every radar destroyed, dozens of AGM-88 missiles were fired.
                        Such a high consumption of far from cheap ammunition (the cost of one HARM missile in 2006 prices was $284,000) is explained by the mission assigned to the Wild Wesel aircraft: suppression, not destruction, of enemy air defense systems. Even in the face of the threat of anti-radar missile launches, not even the use of anti-radar missiles, the air surveillance radars and SAM missile guidance radars are activated for a very short time, approximately 15-20 seconds, which is completely insufficient to effectively repel air raids. The air defense system was precisely suppressed, which is reflected in the acronym SEAD (Suppression of Enemy Air Defenses).

                        The high consumption of AGM-88 missiles, coupled with their low effectiveness, is characteristic of all armed conflicts where these missiles have been used. In fact, the effectiveness of missile combat is reflected not so much in the number of radars disabled, but in the creation of conditions that prevent enemy air defense systems from operating normally. US SEAD aircraft and their allies fired anti-radar missiles most often in HAS mode, targeting areas where air defense systems were suspected to be deployed. The probability of destroying the radars was low, but the objective—neutralizing air defense systems—was accomplished.

                        Iran's air defense was weak, and because we somehow didn't supply the S-300 (a dozen launchers), they for some reason filed a lawsuit against us, even though, according to you, an SAM system is a piece of cake.

                        Ukraine had a weak technological level, but they inherited huge stockpiles of air defense systems and fighter jets from the USSR, and with the help of the West, they repaired and modernized them, even the S-125 systems, and Ukraine's level is an order of magnitude higher than Iran's.

                        Iran's most powerful complex (for which the Iranians sued us) is a dozen S-300 launchers; Iran's most modern fighter is the MiG-29, an export jet flown from Iraq.
                        The Ukrainians had the same S-300 40 divisions, 100 MiG-29 fighters and Su-27 former Soviet, not export
                        I see you're completely out of the loop, so I don't understand why you're arguing, you're probably trolling.
    2. -1
      April 20 2026 09: 48
      Thanks to the author for raising this topic. There are so many aspects to consider.
      But on the other hand, the attempt to draw any conclusions, and in an affirmative form, about Modern Warfare was clearly unsuccessful.
      How can one analyze individual events, air defense actions, and air force actions, drawing parallels without any understanding of the essence of modern combat operations?! What is the foundation, the basis, the essence, the core content of modern combat operations? It turns out the author doesn't know. His seemingly meaningful actions amount to a collection of isolated, beautiful, meaningless sentences that are fed to us every day by political scientists, analysts, broadcasters, and government officials.
      Where is the information component of combat operations? Intelligence, surveillance, detection, real-time targeting? Communication, interaction, real-time data transfer? Or perhaps the author deliberately doesn't want to raise this issue? Iran's capabilities are primitive, and so are the Russian Armed Forces. But Russia claims to have them. But then why are their use so fruitless? We'd rather have the same problems as the US. And in this area, we're not much different from Iran. It's good that we have nuclear weapons... But Iran was told it wasn't allowed. Why does the US need another significant global player? And in this, their goals align with Israel's...
      1. +8
        April 20 2026 10: 43
        Quote: BOCTOK 77
        Where is the information component of combat operations? Reconnaissance, surveillance, detection, real-time targeting? Communication, interaction, real-time information flow? Or perhaps the author deliberately avoids this topic?

        I understand that your soul is deeply hurt by all of the above, which is why you consider any article in which this is not mentioned to be worthless.
        But that's not true. This article isn't about the reasons why the Aerospace Forces can't suppress Ukrainian air defenses, although I wrote about that at one point: https://topwar.ru/225946-vozmozhno-vazhnejshij-urok-svo.html
        Well, and writing
        Quote: BOCTOK 77
        His seemingly meaningful actions represent a collection of separate, beautiful, senseless sentences that are poured into our ears every day by political scientists, analysts, broadcasters, government officials...

        It's completely stupid - name me even one Russian politician who would conclude that the Aerospace Forces are poorly prepared for war and compare them to the US Air Force, and at the same time hold up the Iranian leadership as an example of our decisiveness.
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          April 20 2026 22: 06
          The provisions of the Russian Federation Military Doctrine of December 25, 2014, are not being taken into account. They remain unimplemented. I didn't say that. It was a decree issued by the president. Why do I need politicians? Tasks were set to improve the Russian Armed Forces. They haven't been fulfilled. More than 10 years have passed...
          I recommend reading:
          http://www.scrf.gov.ru/security/military/document129/
          Points 15 and 46 deserve special attention.
          15. Characteristic features and characteristics of modern military conflicts:..
          46. ​​Tasks of equipping the Armed Forces, other troops and bodies with weapons, military and special equipment:
          ...
          d) qualitative improvement of means of information exchange based on the use of modern technologies and international standards, as well as a single information space of the Armed Forces, other troops and bodies as part of the information space of the Russian Federation;
          ...
          g) creation of basic information and control systems and their integration with weapons control systems and automation systems for control bodies of strategic, operational-strategic, operational, operational-tactical and tactical scale.

          The degree of fulfillment is close to "0"...
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            April 21 2026 09: 54
            Two hundred years ago, the historian Karamzin visited France. Russian emigrants asked him:
            - What, in a nutshell, is happening at home?
            Karamzin didn’t need two words.
            “They steal,” answered Karamzin...
        2. +2
          April 21 2026 08: 50
          Good analysis, the only thing that can be argued with is the comparison of who is stronger, the leadership of the Russian Federation or Iran.
          Still, situations are different!
          Iran is primarily a victim of US and Israeli aggression. There's no consensus in the West regarding the correctness of Iran's attack, and the EU has opposed this aggression from the very beginning. Under these circumstances, Iran's attacks on other countries and the closure of the Strait of Hormuz are DEFENSIVE actions aimed at stopping aggression! Iran's missiles have not attacked NATO countries, and overall, Iran has behaved with restraint, escalating only in response to US actions.
          In Ukraine, Russia is the aggressor, and in the West, the consensus is to confront Russia specifically. We need to attack NATO territory, whose members have been claiming from the very beginning of the NWO that they are ready to enter into war with us, and the EU is actually preparing for it, despite the risk of the NWO escalating into a thermonuclear war.
          Therefore, the input data for the leadership of the Russian Federation and Iran are initially different, and the responsibility for making decisions is different, and VERY different.
          While Iran's desperate strikes and its resilience could only trigger a global energy crisis, Russia's strikes against NATO could lead to the destruction of civilization.
          We must win in Ukraine, and the article's conclusions about the Aerospace Forces' weakness compared to the US Air Force are absolutely correct! It is precisely the Aerospace Forces' lack of readiness for modern warfare that has led to a stalemate on the front. For four years, other than the UMPK, nothing has been done to effectively establish air superiority in Ukraine. Even the intensity of the Aerospace Forces' use today is questionable: judging by the news, the Ukrainian Armed Forces are being hit by a maximum of dozens of bombs per day, and this is along a frontline of over 1000 km! During the assault on Avdiivka, 300 bombs were used, and Avdiivka fell! The conclusion regarding the Aerospace Forces is not encouraging; the army is relying on drones, and it seems hope for the Aerospace Forces is fading.
      2. -1
        April 20 2026 11: 22
        Quote: BOCTOK 77
        How can one analyze individual events, air defense actions, air force actions, and draw parallels without any understanding of the essence of modern combat operations?!

        Well, there are already all sorts of parallels, convincingly demonstrated during Desert Storm—there, the allies meticulously approached the issue of influencing Iraqi air defenses and achieved stunning success. Iraqi air defenses weren't weak, and the allies actually lost a fair number of aircraft in that operation. But they achieved the main goal.
        And when you compare one approach with the second, it becomes extremely sad.
  2. +3
    April 20 2026 05: 29
    The issue here isn't the superiority of American air power, but the weakness of Iran's air defenses. Do you think that if Iran had modern fighter aircraft and far more ground-based air defense systems, would American and Israeli aircraft be able to operate with such impunity in the skies? Or, in the event of a war with China, would they be able to suppress Chinese air defenses so easily? The question is, of course, rhetorical. Kudos to the author; that's exactly how I thought about all this.
    1. + 16
      April 20 2026 08: 16
      Quote: Xenon
      The issue here is not the superiority of American aviation, but the weakness of Iranian air defense.

      Why would it be weak? It's numerically larger than the Ukrainian Armed Forces were in 2022 and later.
      Quote: Xenon
      What do you think if Iran had modern fighter aircraft?

      But Ukraine doesn't have it.
      Quote: Xenon
      Or, in the event of a war with China, would they be able to suppress Chinese air defenses so easily?

      They will be able to, if the Chinese don't support their air defense with aircraft. But they will.
      1. +1
        April 21 2026 16: 06
        A couple dozen S-300 launchers are more than 40 S-300 divisions. What reality is this?

        Iraqi export MiG-29 (10 units), ancient monuments F-14 and F-5, this is more than MiG-29 and Su-27 (100 units)
        1. +2
          April 21 2026 18: 03
          Quote: Kull90
          A couple dozen S-300 launchers are more than 40 S-300 divisions. What reality is this?

          You're not counting the other hundreds of Iranian air defense systems. I don't even ask why.
          1. 0
            April 21 2026 18: 47
            Where do they get hundreds of Iranian air defense systems from? Even powerful industrial countries like Germany and England can't produce that many.

            I didn't write about the hundreds of air defense missile systems at the PUKRO: Tor, Osa, Buk, S-125, Kub, and others. You're not asking about that either.

            and there are less than two dozen videos of Iranian air defense systems being destroyed
            Here's a video of MiG-29s flying over Tehran after the ceasefire began.
            1. +2
              April 21 2026 19: 05
              Quote: Kull90
              Where do they get hundreds of Iranian air defense systems from? Even powerful industrial countries like Germany and England can't produce that many.

              Well, ask them why they don't produce as much. They don't produce any UAVs either. Apparently, Iran doesn't have any UAVs at all, so why would it? laughing
              Quote: Kull90
              I didn't write about the hundreds of air defense missile systems at the PUKRO: Tor, Osa, Buk, S-125, Kub, and others. You're not asking about that either.

              Because as of 2022, the Ukrainian Armed Forces had 24-29 S-300P SAM battalions (11-13 PT, 13-16 PS), one or two S-300V battalions, and 10 Buk-M1 SAM battalions. In addition, up to nine Buk battalions, four or five S-300V SAM battalions, up to nine S-300PT SAM battalions, 12 S-200 SAM battalions, and up to 20 S-125 SAM battalions are in storage.
              And that's it. And please, take your fantasies about "several dozen" Iranian air defense systems and trillions of Ukrainian air defense systems to a Zen-like place.
              Quote: Kull90
              and there are less than two dozen videos of Iranian air defense systems being destroyed

              Who will film them/post them to you?:)))) Iranians?:))))))))))
              1. -1
                April 21 2026 19: 31
                You named Ukraine's air defense, confirming my words (38 S-300 divisions)

                Regarding Iran, where is the evidence of hundreds of air defense systems?
                A geranium is a bomb with a hole in it; there's no special technology in it, but an air defense missile system has a lot of high-tech equipment.
                Write articles with a smart look, but at the same time you have a UPL in complexity
                on par with the air defense missile system

                So you're demanding a video of the destruction of Patriot missiles from the Russian Ministry of Defense, but here, for some reason, you can take it at face value. After all, hundreds of destroyed air defense systems should be visible from American reconnaissance satellites, which, according to people like you, can see everything.
                1. +2
                  April 21 2026 19: 56
                  Quote: Kull90
                  You named Ukraine's air defense, confirming my words (38 S-300 divisions)

                  Yeah. And he refuted it.
                  Quote: Kull90
                  Hundreds of Tor, Osa, Buk, S-125, Kub, and other air defense missile systems

                  In fact, the Ukrainian Armed Forces had 40 battalions of all operational air defense missile systems. The rest were in storage, and given the Ukrainian Armed Forces' funding, mostly scrap metal.
                  Quote: Kull90
                  Regarding Iran, where is the evidence of hundreds of air defense systems?

                  In the same place as the Ukrainian divisions - in open sources.
                  Quote: Kull90
                  Write articles with a smart look, but at the same time you have a UPL in complexity
                  on par with the air defense missile system

                  Don't spout nonsense, it hurts her... You've made a logical error - saying Iran can't have more weapons than the Germans or the British. I used the drone example to show how wrong you are.
                  Iran also has far more missiles than any European country. And they proved this with their attacks on Israel. So, your logic is flawed again—it turns out that Iran is churning out medium-range ballistic missiles like a pro, but SAMs are something beyond its capabilities.
                  Quote: Kull90
                  So you're demanding a video of the destruction of Patriots from the Russian Ministry of Defense?

                  Quote where I requested this.
                  Quote: Kull90
                  But here, for some reason, you can believe the words, after all, hundreds of destroyed air defense systems should be visible

                  Suppressing air defenses doesn't require destroying hundreds of air defense systems. For example, the S-300s were "nullified" in twelve days by destroying their radars. There's only one of each type per division, but without them, no division can operate.
                  Quote: Kull90
                  should be visible from American reconnaissance satellites, which, according to people like you, can see everything.

                  This is for "people like me" to address, but please demand from me for my words.
                  1. 0
                    April 21 2026 20: 16
                    I named 40 divisions, you counted 38, confirming my words, while they count 43 divisions and we don’t have exact figures on how many are operational

                    In fact, we don't know how many of them were in use.

                    So there are no documents about Iran's air defense, but there are assessments conducted by unknown persons.

                    The Geranium is a bomb with a hole in it, there's nothing particularly complicated about it. SAMs have high-tech equipment, and that's why the Geranium costs 50, while the Pantsir SAM costs 16 million.

                    Is there any evidence that the S-300 radar has been reset? According to the Jews and Americans, Iran's air defense has already been completely destroyed seven times.

                    detection radar and guidance radar in the S-300 in each battery of 4 launchers, was in the anti-aircraft unit
    2. +5
      April 20 2026 11: 02
      Quote: Xenon
      If Iran had modern fighter aircraft and far more ground-based air defense systems, would American and Israeli aircraft be able to operate with such impunity in the skies?

      To achieve this, Iran needs not just "modern aviation," but the most modern fighter and special-purpose aviation (AEW&C, RLR, and SAR) in sufficient quantities to counter the US, Israel, and their allies. This is simply unaffordable for Iran, especially since aviation (like a navy) "takes a long time to build." This means it needs to not only purchase the required number of the latest fighters and their air defense systems, but also train a sufficient number of pilots to operate these aircraft. All of this requires enormous resources, but most importantly, time. And Iran has been short of that in recent years.
      But he acquired some pretty good missiles, including hypersonic IRBMs. Lots of them. And yes, a lot of different attack UAVs. For less money and time, he concentrated a huge number of them (missiles and UAVs) in his "underground cities," and when he was backed into a corner and their entire top leadership was killed, they simply went at it like a boxing match, EXCHANGING BLOWS.
      And this turned out to be very painful, offensive and unusual for the unbridled aggressors.
      Could Russia do this?
      When the Central Military District began, it seemed it could and intended to. It wasn't for nothing that all available submarines were sent out to sea, and Yars-class submarines were demonstratively sailed along the Moscow Ring Road... And then it all devolved into a protracted trench war of attrition. And for a war with Europe or all of NATO, the country and the Army still had to be prepared. If they've prepared for four or more years, then everything that was done was justified. If not, let the people judge.
      And playing missile ping-pong with NATO with "some kind of hints" won't work. When our missiles hit their cities, they could respond with their own nuclear-armed missiles. Therefore, we have only one viable option in such a case: if we attack NATO, it must be with a preemptive nuclear strike, with the complete suppression and destruction of the alliance's entire military force.
      To achieve this, we need a sufficient number of intermediate-range missiles with characteristics inaccessible to NATO air and missile defense systems. As well as other means of delivering weapons to guarantee the destruction of the largest and most powerful military force on this planet. There will be no warm-up or mutual demonstrations in the initial period of a war with NATO. Either we strike first and destroy them completely and utterly, or they do it first, and the consequences for us will be... extreme.
      So the Persians were certainly fine fellows and true heroes, worthy of their great epics. And no matter how hard their enemies tried, it was THEY who demonstrated and realized Their Epic Fury.
      Persian Fury.
      For the US and Israel, their plan turned into an Epic Disgrace. But that's not the end of this story; a long and fascinating (dramatic) one awaits us. And we'll see what's cooler in this world: the Iranian heroic epic... or American comics. It's just that the US doesn't have its own epic. Only comics. Because of the youth of its short history.
      1. +2
        April 20 2026 21: 10
        Quote: bayard
        Could Russia do this?
        When the Central Military District began, it seemed it could and intended to. It wasn't for nothing that all available submarines were sent out to sea, and Yars-class submarines were demonstratively sailed along the Moscow Ring Road... And then it all devolved into a protracted trench war of attrition. And for a war with Europe or all of NATO, the country and the Army still had to be prepared. If they've prepared for four or more years, then everything that was done was justified. If not, let the people judge.
        And playing missile ping-pong with NATO with "some kind of hints" won't work. When our missiles hit their cities, they could respond with their own nuclear-armed missiles. Therefore, we have only one viable option in such a case: if we attack NATO, it must be with a preemptive nuclear strike, with the complete suppression and destruction of the alliance's entire military force.

        And who said that to win in the North Atlantic War, you need to attack NATO countries (excluding the Baltics, of course?)? It's enough to sink ALL the ships, at least in Ukrainian ports, cut off the railway from Ukraine to the West, and finally, destroy all the bridges across the Dnieper. But all the goals I've listed above are SACRED COWS for the Russian leadership. (Which is COMPLETELY incomprehensible to me personally.)
        1. +1
          April 21 2026 07: 17
          Quote: nedgen
          And who said that to win in the North Atlantic War it is necessary to attack NATO countries?

          The author of the article. These are the responses to his final theses.
          Quote: nedgen
          ) It is enough to sink ALL ships at least in Ukrainian ports,

          In the territorial waters of "neutral NATO countries"? They're sailing right up to their shores. And in used ports, they're being hit, sometimes sunk. But since these ships often have Turkish registration and/or ownership, they were largely ignored for a long time, or only hit during unloading. After all, the Black Sea straits are important for our maritime trade, and until recently, 60% of Russia's entire maritime trade was conducted from the port of Novorossiysk.
          Quote: nedgen
          cut off the railway from Ukraine to the west, and finally destroy all the bridges across the Dnieper.

          All through 2022, only the dead haven't talked about this. But in the summer of that same year, an answer was given—what Putin and the Israeli president had agreed upon when they gave security guarantees for the Clown:
          - Russia is not attacking border crossings, bridges and dams across the Dnieper and is not hunting for Zelensky,
          - NATO is not blocking or attacking our enclave in the Kaliningrad region, and the Ukrainian Armed Forces are not attacking Transnistria.
          And these agreements are still observed by both sides.
          Russia wasn't preparing for war. It practically didn't have an army (ground) until 2022. There was a toy Little Army for parades and biathlons, with a TOTAL strength of 280,000 in the Ground Forces of the Russian Armed Forces, including officers and conscripts (who aren't allowed to fight!). From this army (the Ground Forces of the Russian Armed Forces), the Airborne Forces, the Marine Corps of the Navy, the Special Operations Forces, and the National Guard, they assembled 100,000 bayonets in February 2022, plus another 60,000 from the hastily mobilized corps of the Donbass republics. It was with this innumerable army that they rushed from five or six directions, each grouping 25-30,000 strong. It's unclear what they were counting on with such forces and WITHOUT RESERVES. But Donbass was saved then. Against us (Donbass) at that time, ready to attack, there was a group of the Ukrainian Armed Forces of only 150,000 bayonets. Against us, there were at most 35,000 of ours.

          Quote: nedgen
          All the goals I listed above are SACRED COWS for the Russian leadership. (Which is ABSOLUTELY incomprehensible to me personally)

          Yes, it's all clear to any specialist: since early autumn 2022, the Russian Armed Forces have transitioned to Strategic Defense. They remain in this posture to this day. And all our "offensives" are simply "frontier advances" (in Ukrainian terms) in the gray zone. For the past three years (since the start of mobilization and the announcement of the deployment of new units, formations, and districts), the former Small Army has been developing into a proper Armed Forces, and the military-industrial complex is being developed. The country is preparing for a full-fledged war with the aggressive NATO bloc, now likely without the US as part of it.
          Russia didn't have an Army in 2022. There was... something Small.
          Now there is already .
          1. +1
            April 21 2026 23: 30
            Well, as far as I know, the Beskydy Tunnel isn't a border crossing, nor is the railway bridge in Odessa. Shelling a bulk carrier and sinking it are two completely different things. Remember how a large landing ship sank in the Berdyansk port after just one Tochka-U hit!!! Although the Tochka-U is definitely not a Geranium. And why can't they declare the ports of Ukraine a combat zone? After all, all Russian Black Sea ports are de facto combat zones? And then declare, say, next Monday, all ships in these ports legitimate targets? And then sink all ships entering these ports without explanation. It's unlikely that a bulk carrier or container ship of any size would survive an Iskander hit to the deck. Especially if it's loaded with ammunition or other weapons. What are you suggesting? Continue exchanging Ukrainian drones for the lives of Russian soldiers? They should at least hit Western drone production plants. Moreover, they are declared joint ventures with Ukraine. Russia finally needs to do something to stop the West from simmering its frog over a slow fire. Essentially, there's nothing else left. Ukraine is starting to outmaneuver drones, gradually depleting its SAM stockpiles and gradually knocking out its SAM systems. And finally, something needs to be done to at least significantly limit the isolation of the LBS by the Ukrainians. They now have a new aircraft-type drone that is extremely difficult to shoot down in the final phase of its flight due to its diving speed of 200-300 km/h and which is not affected by the reconnaissance and countermeasures. And they also need to finally stop supplying the EU with gas, oil, and fuel, excluding pipelines (because of Hungary and Slovakia). And what do you propose as a solution to the conflict? Will they continue to move with froglike leaps, wetting every inch of their surface with the blood of Russian soldiers? Of course, there is another solution. To finally achieve air superiority (although there is probably no theory or necessary technology or equipment for this)
            1. -1
              April 22 2026 01: 56
              Quote: nedgen
              Well, as far as I know, the Beskydy Tunnel is not a border crossing.

              It was hit a couple of times in the first phase of 2022, then it was included in the list of prohibited targets in the agreements (we are not touching Klouna, the tunnel, border crossings, as well as bridges and dams on the Dnieper, and NATO is not blockading the Kaliningrad region, Klouna is not touching Transnistria. And these agreements are still being observed. If we violate them, we immediately lose Transnistria and get problems with the Kaliningrad enclave.
              Quote: nedgen
              And also the railway bridge in Odessa.

              Well, not in Odessa, but in the Odessa region, and it's definitely not across the Dnieper; it's not on the list of prohibited targets. It was damaged several times, but never destroyed.
              Quote: nedgen
              If you recall, the landing ship sank in the Berdyansk port after just one hit from a Tochka-U!!! Although the Tochka-U is definitely not a Geranium.

              This landing ship was unloading ammunition, and there were at least two of them (the second one was damaged and later repaired), while the Tochka-U attacked with a cluster munition warhead, which doesn't detonate when hit by a Pantsir SAM, but simply disintegrates and covers the target area regardless. These Tochkas, and then the Haimars, took a considerable toll.
              Quote: nedgen
              Why can't the ports of Krajina be declared a combat zone?

              Why declare them separately? The entire former Soviet Union is a combat zone. Another issue is that Russia's satellite constellation isn't as extensive as the US's to monitor former Soviet Union targets online. There's a certain amount of time for information to pass through, for decisions to be made, for weapons to be allocated, and for execution. These vessels can only be targeted in former Soviet Union waters—such are the laws of war. The ports of Odessa and Reni on the Danube are located very close to the border. They enter the ports quickly, on command from NATO headquarters (they have satellite control and choose the optimal time), quickly unload in an emergency, and then quickly exit like a cork. It's not always possible to catch them—by the time we're preparing the strike, the ship has already unloaded and exited. An Iskander can only target it while unloading, when its precise coordinates are available. The conditions for using anti-ship missiles aren't ideal for their homing heads—against the backdrop of port facilities, against a stationary target near the pier. The issue is generally solvable, but there are nuances. Most of these vessels are chartered in Turkey and are registered there. Turkey controls the straits, and conflict with them is undesirable at this stage—until recently, up to 60% of our exports went through the ports of Novorossiysk. Therefore, they decided to intimidate Turkish shipowners, to show that they see everything and can act at any moment. Remember how Erdogan got angry after the first incident? But the ships weren't sunk; they suffered purely symbolic damage. That's the nature of this war. The real war is only just getting ready. Russia has been preparing for it since 2022.
              Quote: nedgen
              declare, say, starting next Monday, all ships in these ports to be legal targets?

              This has been announced more than once. It's just that all these vessels have started sailing to Odessa ports via the territorial waters of Romania and Bulgaria. So, you can't catch them in international waters even on the return trip. The only way to catch them is in used territorial waters, where the lag time is very short... and the vessels are registered in Turkey.
              Quote: nedgen
              Will they continue to exchange Ukrainian drones for the lives of Russian soldiers?

              Well, we're also very actively trading our drones for Sumerian soldiers. For now, that's the case. Russia remains in a "strategic defensive" position, which it entered in the fall of 2022.

              Quote: nedgen
              We need to at least hit the drone production plants in the West.

              It's a Bailey case. If we're going to attack NATO countries, we're going to do it with a full-scale, preemptive, disarming, and decapitating nuclear strike. So that Europe never rises again. Ever. We're not interested in missile and drone ping-pong. Our defense industry has just reached its planned capacity and production rates, we have the Oreshnik MRBM entering service and being deployed, the Iskander-1000 MRBM (1300 km with a nuclear warhead), the Tsirkons are being deployed not only on ships, but also on ground-based TPUs, new formations and units are being deployed and undergoing combat coordination. Last year, the industry delivered 126 heavy fighters to customers, this year there will be at least 140 units. Every year the Navy receives two or three of the latest submarines (Borey-A, Yasen-M and new Poseidon carriers), this year the modernized nuclear cruiser Admiral Nakhimov and another new frigate of Project 22350 will return to service. We are every year, month, We're getting stronger by the day. Meanwhile, NATO has weakened, depleted its arsenals, and is falling apart before our eyes. Trump has already declared that he will not defend Europe and England from Russia. Because the border states and hangers-on betrayed him during either the Epic or the Persian Fury. But what do the US know about epics? They don't have their own epics; they're too young. They only have comics. But what a magnificent epic Iran has... the "Shah-Nameh" (Book of Kings) alone is worth something. And its history goes back so far that neither the Jews nor Egypt could have dreamed of it.
              Quote: nedgen
              Ukraine is starting to outplay the drones, gradually depleting the SAM reserves and gradually knocking out the SAM systems.

              I'll let you in on a secret: the Ukrainian Armed Forces have been superior to the Russian Armed Forces in drones of various types since the early days of the Second World War. We only reached parity with them in battlefield UAVs at the end of 2024, and by the beginning of 2025, we had a slight numerical advantage. However, the Ukrainian Armed Forces were superior to us in heavy multicopters operating with airdrops.
              They announced an increase in the number of copters? But we also have plans to increase their numbers by four to six times this year. Furthermore, China has imposed restrictions and controls on the export of drone components that could be used for military purposes. Europe, of course, is gearing up for fixed-wing attack UAVs and drone production. And in doing so, they are only accelerating their own demise. Without the US, they have no chance against Russia.
              Meanwhile, we've acquired comrade Kim Jong-un as an ally—a powerful nuclear missile power with one of the largest and most trained armies in the world. Why rush to a resolution when we're growing stronger every day, while the enemy (NATO) is weakening and falling apart? We'll always have time to destroy Europe, but why rush when time is on our side?
              In Europe they think that it's on them?
              Right?
              Until recently they hoped to defeat us on the battlefield with the forces of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. fool , and now they are horrified that the US is abandoning them, and they themselves are worthless.
              Haven't you realized yet that the Hormuz blockade is here to stay? That a serious global oil and gas shortage is looming, and that prices will only rise and not everyone will have enough? And Europe will be the first to suffer the shortage. And their neighbor. Trump will allow China to export oil, albeit in measured doses and at a different price. But Europe's oil and LNG will now be cut off by two blocked straits. And Russia is already shifting its oil and LNG trade to Southeast Asia. Prices are higher there, the clients are more reasonable, and it's possible to trade with them. Why does Russia need euros and dollars now? We can't even buy anything with them.
              Quote: nedgen
              What do you propose as a solution to the conflict?

              To offer anything concrete, you need comprehensive data. Only the General Staff and the All-Russian Research Institute have that. I'm just an outside observer right now. But I remember that Statistics is the Queen of Sciences.
              This year will bring us many more surprises. And not everyone will like them. We simply need to understand the full depth of this global crisis and our place in it.
              1. 0
                April 23 2026 19: 02
                I fundamentally disagree with the idea that statistics is the queen of sciences. Rather, mathematics is the queen of sciences, although statistics is considered a branch of mathematics. And it's not for nothing that they say that the gradation of lies is: a joke, a lie, and a hanging step are statistics. Regarding the Tochka-U, you yourself confirmed that even a cluster munition hitting the ammunition hold sank a large landing ship. But what would have happened if a 450-kg single-warhead warhead had hit the deck of a bulk carrier? It's quite possible it would have simply broken in half!!! Regarding the idea that it's impossible to catch a ship in the port of Odessa because it unloads very quickly, how do you imagine unloading a 30,000-ton bulk carrier, or even a 10,000-ton one? Does it take a couple of hours? The hell of it. At least half a day, if not three or four times longer. These aren't RO-RO vessels that dump lighters and run back. They need time, even if they're loaded with containers. And remember all the statements from the Main Guard - "the attack was on the PORT infrastructure," not the ships in it!!! And how long do you think it takes to make a decision to strike? A day or something? If so, the entire Main Guard should be sent to the LBS to gain experience. laughingAnd Iskander's 1000-kilometer flight takes 3-4 minutes. And the satellite's orbit around the Earth takes no more than 60 minutes.
                Regarding the Hormuz blockade, I also think it's long-term, but who's to say Russia won't sell oil and gas to the EU? Especially since private companies are doing it, and they don't really care about the president. (Remember that it was Lukoil that saved the Ukrainian Armed Forces in 2023 when it delivered 4,5 million tons of fuel made from Russian oil from a Bulgarian plant. I knew from the very beginning that the Ukrainian Armed Forces were superior to the Russian army in UAVs. BUT don't forget that the EU, despite the lack of sufficient fuel and gas, has enough resources to deliver several hundred thousand long-range aircraft-type UAVs to Ukraine in just 2026, and then even more. This, unfortunately, is quite enough to overload and exhaust Russia's air defense. After all, a SAM costs much more than a plastic UAV with a 50-100 cc engine. (Look at geraniums). Moreover, the engine-building industry in the EU is an order of magnitude, if not two, more powerful than in the Russian Federation. The same is true for the chemical and electronic industries. Although part of it is closing, they have enough capacity to rive even a million long-range UAVs. The operational range per year, if not two or three by 2027. They'll have plenty of equipment and qualified workers. I'm not so sure that time is on Russia's side. Looking at the decline in the Russian economy, it doesn't suggest it can survive for several more years under the current leadership of the Central Bank and the government's economic bloc. belay
                1. +1
                  April 23 2026 21: 17
                  Quote: nedgen
                  I fundamentally disagree with the idea that statistics is the queen of sciences.

                  You're wrong; you simply don't understand the term. Mathematics (or arithmetic), in this case, is an integral part of this discipline. Statistics is the recording and accumulation of data empirically. Be it in physics, chemistry, animal husbandry, or crop production. Without recording and analyzing accumulated data, economic planning and management are impossible. Including military economics, accounting for reserves, and ammunition consumption to ensure balanced logistics. You simply don't understand the term. Statistics has long been called the Queen of Sciences, at least since the 19th century.
                  Quote: nedgen
                  It is not for nothing that they say that the gradation of lies is: a joke, a lie and a hanging step - this is statistics.

                  Who cares what fools or swindlers say, or do you draw your knowledge from the discipline of "Khokhma" and "Chutzpa"?
                  Quote: nedgen
                  Regarding the Tochka-U, you yourself confirmed that even a cassette missile, having hit the hold with ammunition, sank the landing craft,

                  Not only that, but the Tochka-U cassette arrived during unloading. The ports and hatches were open, ammunition was on the unloading platform, so everything started detonating. This is war. In 2022 and 2023, I regularly heard the unique and unforgettable detonation of emergency food depots from central Donetsk. It's just that in this case, our ships were caught unloading at the pier. Anything can happen in war; the front was close, and we didn't yet have the combat experience or accumulated statistics to prevent such mishaps.
                  As for the Odessa ports, they receive regular air strikes, even though they've been heavily protected by air defenses since day one. When the first two Patriots were brought in for refurbishment, the second was deployed specifically near Odessa to cover the ports. And the number of different types and classes of air defense systems destroyed there is countless.
                  Quote: nedgen
                  What would happen if a 450 kg single-warhead hit the deck of a dry cargo ship? It's quite possible it would simply break in half!!!

                  To do this, the target must be in a specific, designated location at the time. Haven't you heard of ships being moved from pier to pier several times during this type of unloading, or moved along the quay wall? I have. And I would personally recommend doing just that. They know what weapons we have, they know our approximate reaction time—they know this from experience, thanks to accumulated statistics. That's why they're taking action. This war is being led by NATO headquarters; the Ukrainian Armed Forces are merely the executors. And they have ample reconnaissance and analytical resources. They know us better than we know them, and that must also be taken into account. It's a game of cat and mouse. The mice are very nimble and knowledgeable; they have the entire NATO satellite constellation and almost all commercial satellites at their disposal to monitor the situation in the TVO online. You can't even imagine what kind of equipment is powering all this. We've been in a proxy war with NATO for five years now; they manage everything, plan, and provide logistics. They also know the schedules for our satellites to fly over specific areas. When I was in the service, I also had such schedules in my work log, detailing the type of each satellite. And we took that into account. A satellite flew by—they quickly dragged the ship being unloaded to the next pier or moved it along the quay wall. And then wait for it to fly back to where it was just moored. I know/imagine how it works. That's why we try not so much to sink ships as to destroy their freshly unloaded cargo while it's in port or even on the unloading platform. Besides, recently they've mainly been using ships with Turkish registration, and we don't need to escalate relations with Turkey—we need free passage through the straits for trade. Although they scared us a few times, the damage they caused was symbolic.
                  Quote: nedgen
                  How do you imagine unloading a 30,000-ton dry cargo ship, or at least a 10,000-ton one?

                  These days, it's mostly river-sea vessels or relatively small ones that go there to quickly unload and retreat. They've adapted long ago.
                  And look at the statistics of strikes on Odessa and its ports. We strike there almost every day. And something is constantly burning, detonating, smoking. And yes, there are not just a few ports in Odessa and the surrounding region, but a lot. So they rotate ports constantly.
                  Quote: nedgen
                  And if you recall all the statements of the Main Directorate - "a blow was dealt to the PORT infrastructure" and not to the ships in them!!!

                  What is GSh? "Citizen Shchukina"? A joke.
                  I already wrote that the ships are mostly Turkish, so they try not to sink them, but to destroy everything they brought. And the ships themselves are lightly harassed by drones from time to time. Such are the conventions of war. Do you think this didn't happen before? Of course it did. During WWII, Sweden was neutral, but it regularly delivered iron ore to Germany. And supply ships ran and broke through to Germany under neutral flags, and no one touched Switzerland, but many used their banking system.
                  Quote: nedgen
                  In your opinion, how much time does it take to make a decision to strike?

                  Any information processing, its evaluation, and decision-making takes time. The same applies to the command to deploy and the transmission of precise coordinates. If the information is updated after each satellite flyby, and the enemy has a schedule of such flybys, then I've already described the measures and actions taken to ensure the aircraft is no longer in the same position as it was when it was flown.
                  Quote: nedgen
                  The satellite's revolution around the earth takes no more than 60 minutes.

                  More. Even if it's a low-orbit satellite with an orbital altitude of 200-400 km. Moreover, it's not just the satellite that revolves around the Earth, but the Earth itself. And when the satellite completes a full orbit, it will fly over a completely different area. That's precisely why a constellation of satellites is needed, so that they can replace one another and update information at least every two or three hours. This is for us. The US and NATO have a huge constellation of satellites, and they can observe virtually any area of ​​the planet online thanks to the satellites that rotate. But I'm already tired of the educational program.
                  I live in Donetsk, not Moscow, so don't tell me about the protracted war; it's been going on here for almost 12 years. And don't tell me that dragging out the conflict any longer is not in our interests. But to understand the reasons behind certain decisions, you need to have sufficient information and knowledge. Stalin can be criticized for making deals with Hitler, not responding to provocations, and stalling for time. But to understand why he acted the way he did, why he stalled, and his motivations, you need to KNOW. Know a lot. The hardest job on this planet is governing a country during war and crisis. It's not easy even in peacetime, let alone how everyone has to maneuver on the eve of the Great War.

                  Quote: nedgen
                  The decline in the Russian economy does not at all indicate that it will survive for several more years under the current leadership of the Central Bank and the Economic bloc of the government.

                  Well, now the antics of the financial bloc and the "monetary authorities" have been exposed to public scrutiny, condemnation, and indignation... Why do you think that is? Or rather, for what purpose? I, for example, have always known about their nature and role, as has a significant portion of the expert community, but who cared?
                  And now - to the NATIONAL.
                  Even a lady from Monaco was brought into this case with her "appeal to Putin" lol And look at the resonance. So, the time has come for something to change. That's why they're dropping hints to the right people. And this isn't the Kremlin's moustache at all. The main events are much closer than you think. So don't rush to wave your saber, you'll see even more.
                  And you will be surprised by many things.
                  1. 0
                    April 24 2026 00: 55
                    Well, I was joking about statistics being the ultimate lie, but as they say, there's only a grain of truth in every joke. I know firsthand how some statistical institutes lie shamelessly. And I don't deny at all that statistical data is very important if it's collected correctly. As for statistics being a branch of mathematics, well, at university, all statistical methods were taught as a branch of mathematics. You're right about satellites, but even Gagarin orbited the Earth within a radius of 68 minutes. I don't remember exactly, but if I'm not mistaken, it was 5 minutes. And yes, when a satellite completes its orbit, it's already passing a specific point. I spoke with friends about the Central Bank and its idiotic policies about five years ago, so my opinion wasn't formed today or a week ago. Of course, I'm not a bank official, but at least I'm trained in the basics of macroeconomics. And I think the entire leadership of the Central Bank should have been replaced not 5, but 10 years ago (although I don't remember exactly when Nabiullina became head of the Central Bank). Regarding Stalin: Frankly, I admire this great man, although I don't consider him the ultimate authority (no man is a god, as they say). He was also human and made mistakes, just like the rest of us. And since he was a great man, his mistakes were sometimes big (that's just the way the world works). And to be honest, it's easy to criticize with hindsight. Regarding the reconnaissance satellite constellation, yes, it's also necessary, but it can't be accomplished in a year or two. Especially when the Russian army was once led by a man like Taburetkin. But as I said, it's easy to criticize after what happened. By the way, who is this lady from Monaco? Okay, maybe I'm wrong about the courts and how they're not easily sunk, but you yourself said that sometimes "tickle" them, which means there are ways to sink them. And sometimes they get caught, but as always, it's all about being on the safe side. And I wonder where you got this classified information about the agreement "we don't touch bridges and tunnels (i.e., logistics), and you don't touch Transnistria"? I don't live in Moscow either, and frankly, I sympathize with you very much. There's been no normal life for 12 years now. hi
                    1. +1
                      April 24 2026 04: 24
                      Quote: nedgen
                      Regarding Stalin, to be honest, I admire this great man,

                      Any honest and conscientious person cannot help but admire this man. For he is a genius. And such people are born once in a hundred years... if Humanity is lucky. I knew one very interesting person, a scientist, a leading specialist in the oil and gas production industry, a resource specialist and head of the brainstorming group at the ministry in the first half of the 90s. And later, he consulted for all the country's oil companies and their banks... Rosneft, in fact, from its very birth and formation. He is the son of Countess Vorontsova, and his father is a Moscow priest. And in his career after college (and before college, he served in the Navy for five years, starting in 1943), as the best graduate of his class, he received a referral to Gosplan - that one, Stalin's. And for two years before Khrushchev abolished it, an outpost of those very same "Stalinist veterans" of Gosplan worked there... So it was in his home, in his library, that I first saw the "Complete Works of I.V. Stalin." And he didn't just preserve it or keep it for a collection, HE WORKED WITH IT. This was evident in the books. He was a convinced communist and never hid his beliefs. And not just a communist, but a convinced Bolshevik. As an intellectual and a specialist of the highest caliber, as a scientist. And as a student of those very same "Stalinist veterans" from the "Sharapov School" who built the USSR according to the plans and designs of their teacher. And it was then that I became seriously interested in the personality of Stalin as a historical phenomenon. But before Stalin, as a forerunner, there was Sharapov - the greatest economic genius, the leader of the Slavophile movement, the student and successor of Aksakov.
                      In 2005, in Moscow (I think it was on September 30th), a book of Sharapov's works, "After the Victory of the Slavophiles," was published. Its publisher (not even editor, he didn't take such audacity on himself) was O.A. Platonov. And at its presentation at a creative evening with O.A. Platonov, a decision was made to establish the All-Russian Economic Society named after Sharapov, and that meeting was voted to be considered the founding congress of this Society. Also present was the person responsible for implementing Financial Reform in the Russian Federation from the presidential apparatus, who passionately supported the creation of this society and promised full state support. And a few days later, this person voiced a program (in an interview on central television) ... the nationalization of the entire financial sector of the Russian Federation. Everything! Private, commercial, and especially foreign banks should not remain. Only the State Bank and a certain number of industry branches of the State Bank with their offices throughout the country. Just as Sharapov had planned to do in the Russian Empire and as Alexander-3 approved. And then, 7-10 days later, this man was killed. They say he was a friend and one of Putin's most trusted men. Around the same time, Academician Klykov, whose cultural center (the Center for Slavic Literature and Culture) hosted that very same O.A. Platonov recital and founding congress, "died of a heart attack" under mysterious circumstances. If you've seen the film "Brother 2" and remember the children's choir singing "Goodbye America," this is the very same hall.
                      And on the day of that convention, on the very eve of it, Senator McCain flew to Moscow with an ultimatum to Putin, threatening nuclear war and demanding that all of Russia's nuclear weapons be transferred to US control, just as Trump is now demanding from Iran.
                      Why and what was the reason?
                      The Financial Reform has begun in Russia!
                      When, in just a few months, over 500 banks (not branches, but actual banks) had their licenses revoked. There were a ton of them in the Russian Federation back then, mostly for pumping money out of the country. The ultimate goal was the gradual liquidation of all commercial banks. Only state-owned banks, as branches of the State Bank. And no foreign agents of the Central Bank!
                      They didn't give it.
                      It was then that Putin paid off all of Russia's debts to the IMF and attempted to restore Russia's Financial Sovereignty.
                      They didn't give it. Very good people died.
                      And Russia remained under the control of the IMF as a financial colony. And the IMF's external controller/overseer in Russia—the Central Bank—remained. And the head of the Central Bank is the IMF's personal overseer of Russia, not accountable to any Russian state institution.
                      If you understand what I wrote this about and why, you will be a great guy. hi
                      1. +1
                        April 24 2026 08: 33
                        I completely agree with you, but just like you, I can't change anything. Unfortunately. hi
              2. 0
                2 August 2026 16: 12
                Thank you! You explained everything very well. I didn't know about the agreements (Kaliningrad and Transnistria).
  3. + 14
    April 20 2026 05: 56
    Against the backdrop of the Iranian events of 2026, one cannot but agree with the overall assessment of the conduct of the Second World War, which has already lasted longer than the Great Patriotic War. Our leadership's "liquid power" raises many questions...
  4. +5
    April 20 2026 06: 41
    When asked whether Russian citizens would like to see a response from their leadership similar to that of Iran's to the aggression of more than 50 countries against Russia, which is being carried out under the guise of a war with Ukraine, the answer is an unequivocal "yes."
    1. +3
      April 20 2026 07: 28
      Our aviation is still unable to conduct air operations over the territory of Ukraine with the involvement of significant aviation forces.

      It seems to me that this is from the same opera about the "Inviolability" of something or someone
    2. +1
      April 20 2026 13: 04
      But Russian citizens who have more than one extra passport in their pockets know the answer is "no," and the presidential administration listens to them. Not to these poor souls who never venture beyond their dachas and Sochi...
  5. +4
    April 20 2026 07: 05
    There are two strategies:
    1. Raise the stakes in mutual attacks.
    Iran is prepared to accept damage of up to ten tons of explosives per square kilometer. But at the same time, it will inflict 0,1 tons per square kilometer on its neighbors, and for the world, this will be prohibitive damage. And in Iran, donkeys will continue to carry bundles of brushwood up the mountain slopes, and the millennia-old story will continue.

    2. Eliminate the technological gap.
    China and North Korea are busy with this.
  6. -1
    April 20 2026 07: 11
    So, to attack the central regions of Iran, Israeli aircraft would still have to enter its airspace.
    The Iranian side claimed that the attacks on Iranian radars were carried out by small drones, similar to the attack by Ukrainian small unmanned aerial vehicles on our strategic airfields in the Irkutsk region. These drones were launched either by dormant and deeply undercover pro-Israeli cells, awakened with the outbreak of hostilities, or by Afghan migrant workers. After the radars were destroyed, air power was brought into play. P.S.To fly to the deep (and not only) regions of Iran, external tanks are required that completely reduce on no all stealth aircraft technologies, and also for the sake of increasing flight range F-35, you have to sacrifice ammunition...
    1. + 10
      April 20 2026 08: 17
      Quote: Luminman
      The Iranian side claimed that the attacks on Iranian radars were carried out by small drones.

      on some landlines - yes, but not on all of them
  7. -11
    April 20 2026 07: 34
    A very strange advertisement for an aggressor who seized primordially Russian lands on the outskirts of Russia in 1991, seemingly justifying the aggressor by equating or comparing them to Iran, a heroic country courageously responding to American-Israeli attacks and defeating this duo-coalition. Since Russia is now fighting not against a coalition that forms a duo but against a coalition that forms an entire chorus, Ukraine, hoarsely squeaking, would have long ago ended that concert to the whistles of shame. It is saved and drowned out in this chorus by the still-strong voices of NATO countries. That is, Russia is now fighting not Ukraine, but NATO countries. So why the hell are you comparing Ukraine, which has plundered everything and is running around the world like a beggar, with an independent, sovereign, self-sufficient, and exemplary Iran?
    1. + 11
      April 20 2026 08: 21
      Quote: north 2
      So why the hell are you comparing yours to Ukraine, which has plundered everything and is running around the world like a beggar?

      In fact, the comparison is between the Russian Aerospace Forces and the US Air Force, as well as Russia and Iran.
  8. + 13
    April 20 2026 08: 33
    The main lesson is how to fight, not create appearances.
  9. -10
    April 20 2026 08: 34
    Andrey, good morning!
    I disagree with your thesis about Epstein's coalition air force gaining air superiority.
    Firstly, because by definition, air superiority should ensure the achievement of the objectives of a military operation. And these objectives were not achieved.
    Secondly, because there is evidence mass There is simply no use of Epstein's coalition air force deep inside Iranian territory.
    1. + 12
      April 20 2026 08: 53
      Good morning, Aleksey!
      Quote: rytik32
      Firstly, because by definition air superiority must ensure the achievement of the objectives of a military operation.

      It is not.
      Air supremacy is a position in the airspace in which one's ground forces, navy, and air force are provided with the opportunity to successfully accomplish the tasks facing them without organized and serious counteraction from the enemy from the air (Brief Dictionary of Operational-Tactical and General Military Terms)
      In other words, air superiority doesn't lead to the achievement of the objectives of a military operation, as you write, but only creates the preconditions for their achievement. Therefore, air superiority can be achieved without the objectives of a military operation being achieved.
      1. 0
        April 20 2026 21: 46
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        Therefore, air superiority may be achieved, but the objectives of the military operation may not be achieved.

        Let me take as an example the main goal of the operation (correct me if you have a different opinion) - the destruction of Iran's nuclear potential.
        Question: How did the US plan to accomplish this?
        1. Bombings.
        All the key facilities are located too deep, and the rock is too hard. Everyone, both the US and Iran, knew the bombs wouldn't penetrate.
        2. Change of regime.
        Despite the Ayatollah's assassination, there's no strong opposition in Iran. There have been no armed uprisings. This all suggests that no one seriously hoped for regime change.
        3. Full-scale intervention.
        This option is correct, but it requires a large army, great expense, losses, etc. In fact, there was no group even close to capable of a large-scale invasion.
        4. Special operations.
        In my opinion, this was the most realistic option. Land troops, seize and destroy/remove the nuclear facilities. The forces and resources for this were available.
        Do you have any other options?
        1. -1
          April 21 2026 07: 41
          Quote: rytik32
          Let me take the main goal of the operation as an example

          We don't know it. Therefore, guessing about it is pointless. This is partly because the concentrated forces essentially prevented the achievement of any reasonable goal the US could have had.
          Quote: rytik32
          4. Special operations.
          In my opinion, this is the most realistic option.

          Alexey, have you been watching too many American action movies?
          1. +1
            April 21 2026 08: 52
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            We don't know her

            The United States and Israel have proclaimed this very goal several times.

            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            Have you watched too many American action films?

            The operation in Venezuela was an excellent rehearsal. I assume they planned to operate in Iran in exactly the same way.
            1. +1
              April 21 2026 09: 20
              Quote: rytik32
              The United States and Israel have proclaimed this very goal several times.

              At the same time, they did not try to achieve it during the war of 2026. Alexey, it’s strange that I have to say this, but declared goals and real goals very often radically disagree with each other:)))
              Quote: rytik32
              The operation in Venezuela was an excellent rehearsal.

              The operation in Venezuela is in no way analogous to what you are proposing and cannot be a rehearsal for the destruction of nuclear centers in Iran.
              Maduro was kidnapped by a special forces team from a coastal city, and the destruction of nuclear potential is a major military operation in the center of Iran.
            2. +1
              April 21 2026 10: 01
              - Not the slightest analogy...
  10. +2
    April 20 2026 08: 41
    The war is entering its fifth year, but our aviation is still unable to conduct air operations over Ukrainian territory with the involvement of significant air forces.

    To achieve air superiority, tactics had to be developed first and foremost, rather than fighting with orders like "...destroy the target..." and sending single aircraft to destroy them. To destroy air defenses, significant air power was needed.
  11. +4
    April 20 2026 08: 52
    Andrey, I admire you! I wouldn't dare write an article like that now. No.
    However, many of the publication's points, including controversial technical points, are not always reliable. But in any case, I read it with interest!
    1. +6
      April 20 2026 08: 55
      Sergey, good morning!
      Quote: Bongo
      But in any case, I read it with interest!

      That's why we write:))))))
      Quote: Bongo
      However, many of the theses in the publication are controversial technical points and are not always reliable.

      I would be very glad to receive your analysis - as you know, it is never too late to learn:)))))
      1. -1
        April 20 2026 09: 04
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        I would be very glad to receive your analysis - as you know, it is never too late to learn:)))))

        That's true, yes. But I wouldn't like to make this public.
        1. -1
          April 20 2026 09: 20
          Quote: Bongo
          But I wouldn't like to put this out in the open.

          As you wish, but I would be happy to read you in private correspondence as well - this can be done on the website, by exchanging messages, or by sending me an email, which I just sent you.
          Of course, you don't have to - it's all up to you. But I would be glad to.
  12. -8
    April 20 2026 09: 12
    Author, what did you want to say here? The situation with Iran is clear: without a modern air force and air defense, it's impossible to fight! As a result, the army is turning into a mob of Basmachi...But even so, Iran has managed to achieve something!
    1. +8
      April 20 2026 09: 21
      Quote: Khamzat-41
      Author, what did you want to tell here?

      Apparently the article was too complicated for you.
  13. +5
    April 20 2026 09: 21
    Iran was immediately preparing for a brutal war, and we walked in expecting to be greeted with flowers. That's the first thing, and secondly, Iran doesn't have so many corrupt officials with money, children, and all their sights set abroad. It's hard to fight with your own children and money. And finally, the plan for the start of the Central Military District was drawn up half-baked; instead of capturing Odessa and the entire Black Sea coast, the generals wanted to ride into Kyiv on a white horse... They just killed the guys. And most importantly, not a single gold-shouldered cap with stripes was held accountable for the miscalculations.
    P.S. It was a big shock when my wife told me that relatives and friends were buying uniforms for the mobilized soldiers. Until the very end, I didn’t believe that the theft by generals in the army had reached such a scale.
    1. +1
      April 20 2026 13: 19
      the plan for the start of the SVO was drawn up on...
      Yes, I think the plan was on a piece of paper from a school notebook. They said they'd been preparing since 2020. The whole plan was apparently that we'd go straight to the parade, stamp, sign, go try on dress uniforms, and celebrate the bonuses for the plan.
  14. +1
    April 20 2026 11: 16
    Thank you, Andrey Nikolaevich!
    This is called "on the topic of the day"
    But in general, the parallels suggest themselves, of course.
  15. -1
    April 20 2026 11: 36
    An interesting analysis of Iran's air defense system. But what's the point? A repeat of Desert Storm—numerous strikes on Iran and minimal combat losses. Why can't we replicate this in the Northern Military District?
    There are no specialized electronic warfare aircraft capable of jamming Ukrainian Air Force radars and sending them Kh-31PDs (300 km range). There is no satellite constellation of target tracking radars or internet access for transmitting data online to any aircraft. Theoretically, it would be possible to install Kh-31PDs on the Su-34 or Su-35S to thin out Ukrainian Air Force radars, but why isn't this being done?
    1. +2
      April 20 2026 13: 38
      Theoretically, it is possible to install the Kh-31PD on the Su-34 or Su-35s and thin out the ranks of the Ukrainian Armed Forces radars, but why isn’t this being done?
      This is what headquarters should be doing. A pilot says he's being irradiated from such-and-such a square, apparently a Patriot. Headquarters gets excited, drones fly in that direction to confirm the coordinates, followed by missiles, and so on until the last aircraft is finished off. But here we are like, "Oh, well, don't fly there if it's dangerous." No reaction, total passivity. request
  16. +3
    April 20 2026 12: 58
    Thanks to the author for a thorough analysis!
    There's just one question to the author's question: "But here's what's interesting—what would have happened if the Russian Federation's leadership, instead of assessing the risks posed to Russia, had launched a strike on the territory of Poland and other countries aiding Ukraine? What if the Russian Armed Forces had started shooting down planes and sinking ships carrying military aid to Zelensky and Co.? ..." This is a question beneath the guarantor and the government he represents! Moreover, the question should be: "Why are there no meaningful responses to the provocations of the Ukrops and the West? Why doesn't the guarantor allow us to respond by merely punching the Balts, Poles, and Finns?"
    And the answers may be like this:
    1 guarantor, representing the Russian government, is only interested in making peace with the West - that is why he is going to various agreements;
    2 the guarantor carries out the will of the moneybags who are robbing Russia and who have real estate, accounts, and relatives in the West...;
    There is some very unpleasant dirt in the West on the guarantor and those whose will he carries out...
    And what can you expect from someone appointed by the alcoholic Yeltsin? He's given up everything to the West and was probably looking for someone like himself to take over.
  17. +7
    April 20 2026 13: 50
    Competent article.
    I'd like to clarify: the key difference isn't so much in Iran's and Ukraine's air defense systems, but in their concepts for using air power. This is a colossal gap in experience, dating back to Vietnam.
    It was then, confronted with the Soviet S-75, that the Americans, right in the middle of the war, began forming specialized "Wild Weasels" groups to hunt for SAM radars. Since then, for decades, they have built their entire Air Force strategy around this, culminating in the modern doctrine of suppressing and destroying air defenses. It's a closed cycle: the application of technology in combat, an honest analysis of mistakes, and the modernization of hardware and tactics. The system works when professionals are on the ground, not appointees through connections.
    Technologically, they've embraced network-centricity: satellites, AWACS aircraft, and ELINT systems operate in a single field. This allows their aircraft to engage air defenses before they can effectively engage them.
    We lack such experience and, as a result, a well-established system for penetrating layered air defense systems. Ukraine has become the Aerospace Forces' Vietnam. But to move forward, we must acknowledge our mistakes. If the leadership "has no mistakes," then no one will correct them. And without this, the technical gap in reconnaissance and operational targeting systems cannot be overcome. Isn't that right?
  18. 0
    April 20 2026 14: 52
    Answer: The Air Defense Forces have only proven that the Russian Aerospace Forces cannot achieve air superiority, even when operating against outdated air defense systems (and the youngest Ukrainian systems were over 30 years old on February 22, 2022), whose design is thoroughly known to our armed forces (since the Russian Armed Forces themselves once operated such systems) and whose tactics are completely understandable (since the air defense systems of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and the Russian Armed Forces have the same roots - the USSR).

    I don’t know what the author was guided by when he decided that Russia was acting against Ukraine’s outdated air defense systems.

    Somewhere along the line, intelligence and analytical systems, NATO satellite constellations, and so on, have crept into the "obsolete Ukrainian air defenses," haven't they? When did Patriots, Irises, and SAMTs manage to join the ranks of obsolete air defenses? Yes, all of these didn't appear in Ukraine right away, but they did have intelligence and analytics.

    I don't have any overconfident feelings, but I don't see any objective assessment from the author here either.
    1. +3
      April 20 2026 15: 04
      Quote: ButchCassidy
      There are intelligence and analytical systems, NATO satellite constellations, etc., hidden somewhere in the "outdated air defenses of Ukraine," right?

      No, none of this happened in 2022.
      Quote: ButchCassidy
      When did Patriots, Irises, and SAMT become obsolete air defense systems?

      No, they weren't in Ukraine in 2022.
      Quote: ButchCassidy
      Yes, all of this didn’t appear in Ukraine right away, but they did get intelligence and analytics right away.

      No, not right away. At the very beginning of the conflict, they were afraid to send them anything, let alone intelligence, or even helmets. However, this didn't stop the Ukrainian Air Defense Forces from driving the Russian Aerospace Forces out of Ukrainian airspace.
      And generally speaking, NATO's reconnaissance capabilities should not be exaggerated. Our tactical aircraft are unable to track their satellites in real time, and their AWACS operate sporadically and do not cover most of Ukraine.
      Quote: ButchCassidy
      but I don't see an objective assessment from the author here either

      I can only advise a more careful examination of when and what was provided to Ukraine. Then, perhaps, you will change your opinion of this article.
      1. 0
        April 20 2026 15: 43
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        No, none of this happened in 2022.

        NASAMS and Aspide were already https://www.rbc.ru/politics/07/11/2022/6368ebbd9a7947de942420bb
        IRIS-T too https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4597381.html

        Slovakia's S-300 PMUs arrived in April 2022.
        1. +1
          April 20 2026 17: 44
          Quote: rytik32
          NASAMS and Aspide have already been

          Transfer - November, plus development.
          Quote: rytik32
          IRIS-T

          Okay, I agree. So what? The SVO actually lasted from February to October, not even counting those 7 months.
          1. +5
            April 20 2026 18: 11
            Andrey, good evening! Your interlocutor is a clear example of how people try to avoid acknowledging systemic problems by searching for an external enemy. It's convenient to blame NATO for everything, ignoring the fact that during the critical first six months of the Air Defense Forces, Ukraine's skies were blanketed exclusively by old Soviet missile systems: the S-300PS and Buk-M1.
            The first Western medium- and long-range air defense systems (NASAMS, IRIS-T) only began arriving in the fall of 2022, and the Patriot even later. This means that during the most crucial period, our Aerospace Forces were unable to suppress air defenses that:

            We were thoroughly aware of the technical aspects.

            It consisted of outdated machines on an analog base.

            .Used SAMs with twice expired shelf life (fuel and electronics in which
            degraded over 30 years).

            The most dangerous thing is that if this logic—"NATO is to blame, not our miscalculations"—dominates in high places, then we shouldn't expect any real work on mistakes. And if officially there are "no mistakes," then there won't be any new electronic warfare systems or large-scale specialized air defense penetration teams. And that's what's most frightening.
            1. -1
              April 20 2026 21: 32
              Quote: Naofumi
              People are trying to avoid recognizing systemic problems

              There are systemic problems with the Russian Air Force. I admit it.
              The question is: why help enemy propaganda and inflate these problems?
              Generals don't read this forum, so you're not contributing one bit to solving systemic problems.
              But soldiers (current or future) read. Why undermine their morale?
              1. +1
                April 20 2026 21: 48
                There are systemic problems with the Russian Air Force. I admit it.
                The question is: why help enemy propaganda and inflate these problems?
                Generals don't read this forum, so you're not contributing one bit to solving systemic problems.
                But soldiers (current or future) read. Why undermine their morale?


                The enemy already knows our weaknesses perfectly well—they build their tactics on them. Keeping silent about problems within the country is the best gift to the enemy, as it ensures that mistakes won't be corrected, and systemic stagnation will continue.

                If everyone keeps quiet and creates the illusion that "there are no mistakes," then everything will continue to be "according to plan" in reports to the higher-ups. Change begins when problems are acknowledged out loud.

                Future fighters don't need a "pretty picture," but an effective air defense suppression school so they can win and return alive.

                An honest analysis and public pressure for modernization is what truly cares about the army. Keeping silent about holes in the armor when the man is going into battle wearing it isn't support, it's complicity.
                1. -2
                  April 20 2026 22: 15
                  Quote: Naofumi
                  social pressure in favor of modernization

                  Social pressure is an illusion. Public opinion is now shaped by propaganda—either our own or the enemy's.

                  Quote: Naofumi
                  Keeping silent about holes in the armor when a person is going into battle wearing it is not support, it is complicity.

                  Look at the Jews. The Merkava has cardboard armor, a KAZ that usually doesn't intercept anything, but their propaganda steadfastly convinces both their own and their enemies that the armor is strong and the KAZ is the best. That's who we should learn from!
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                    April 20 2026 22: 20
                    Social pressure is an illusion. Public opinion is now shaped by propaganda—either our own or the enemy's.


                    This isn't an illusion, but a feedback mechanism. If society (both volunteers and experts) had remained silent, we wouldn't still have mass-produced FPV drones, tank-mounted grills, and trench-mounted electronic warfare. All of this emerged not from reports of "impenetrable armor," but from the recognition that armor can be penetrated and that the problem needs to be addressed.

                    Look at the Jews. The Merkava has cardboard armor, a KAZ that usually doesn't intercept anything, but their propaganda steadfastly convinces both their own and their enemies that the armor is strong and the KAZ is the best. That's who we should learn from!


                    Alexey, your example with the Merkava proves me right, not you. It was precisely the excessive faith in its own propaganda about the "best active protection system" and "impenetrable armor" that led to the Israeli army being unprepared for real threats (drones and massive ATGM attacks) on October 7th. Propaganda convinced them that everything was perfect, and they stopped developing—and ultimately, their tank crews paid for it with their lives.
                    We need to learn not how to lie to our own people, but how to quickly adapt technology to the changing realities of war.

                    The winner isn't the one who shouts "we have the best" the loudest, but the one who quickly finds their mistakes and corrects them. Complacency is the shortest path to defeat.
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                      April 21 2026 08: 50
                      Quote: Naofumi
                      If society (both volunteers and experts) had remained silent, we would still not have mass shipments of FPV drones, "barbecues" on tanks, and trench electronic warfare.

                      You exaggerate the role of society.
                      Let me repeat once again: generals don’t read forms, they read reports.
                      Those who really want to help our army write reports.
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                        April 21 2026 16: 52
                        You exaggerate the role of society.
                        Let me repeat once again: generals don’t read forms, they read reports.
                        Those who really want to help our army write reports.


                        Alexey, you're right—generals read reports. But the question is what's written in those reports.

                        If officers on the ground see systemic problems being hushed up "for the sake of image," they write in their reports that everything is fine. It is precisely honest public debate and expert input that create an environment where concealing the obvious in reports becomes impossible.

                        FPV drones and trench electronic warfare systems began appearing en masse in reports as "essential equipment" only after civil society and volunteers demonstrated their effectiveness on the battlefield "despite" the system. Initially, this was a horizontal initiative, and then it evolved into vertical reports.

                        Specialized forums and articles aren't just "chatter"; they're a way to convey an alternative point of view to those who write those reports.

                        Helping the army isn't just about writing papers to the letter; it's also about preventing the system from becoming entrenched in dangerous illusions. If a report contradicts reality, the fault lies not with the one who says it out loud, but with the one who wrote it. This is the point of our discussion: to highlight technical gaps (as with the air defense system), so that they can ultimately be included in the right reports.
          2. -1
            April 20 2026 21: 16
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            plus development

            If entire mechanized brigades were trained in the West, then the SAM system crews are a given.

            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            The SVO actually lasted from February to October, not even counting these months, for 7 months.

            In the spring and summer of '22, the Air Force regularly used free-fall bombs. Isn't that considered a sign of air superiority?
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              April 20 2026 21: 33
              Quote: rytik32
              If entire mechanized brigades were trained in the West, then the SAM system crews are a given.

              In fact, the SAM system crew is a bit more complicated than the mechanized brigades... which, in fact, they didn't really manage to train.
              Quote: rytik32
              In the spring and summer of '22, the Air Force regularly used free-fall bombs. Isn't that considered a sign of air superiority?

              The only sign of air superiority is considered to be
              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              a position in the airspace in which its ground forces, navy and aviation are provided with the opportunity to successfully carry out the tasks facing them without organized and serious enemy counteraction from the air

              That's it. It's not a Japanese character, so there can't be any double interpretation. Want examples of using free-fall bombs without achieving air superiority? I have plenty of them. For example, the Falklands, the Argentine air force. They didn't have air superiority, but they used free-fall bombs.
  19. +6
    April 20 2026 15: 09
    I can only say one thing about this article: Respect to the author! good hi
    1. +3
      April 20 2026 15: 31
      Quote: Radikal
      Respect the author!

      soldier drinks
  20. -3
    April 20 2026 19: 17
    Hmm ...
    And this is written by a man who has often written articles about "small victorious wars" like the Russo-Japanese and Anglo-Argentine... with a higher education, and even an understanding of economic issues...
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    Let's leave the technical analysis of the article for later and consider only some assumptions.
    But here's the interesting part: what would have happened if the Russian Federation's leadership, instead of assessing the risks to Russia, had launched a strike on the territory of Poland and other countries assisting Ukraine? What if the Russian Armed Forces had started shooting down planes and sinking ships carrying military aid to Zelenskyy and Co.? What if our country, like Iran today, hadn't calculated the consequences of its actions but had carried them out, forcing NATO to calculate the risks of its decisions? After which, not the Russian leadership, but the US and the West would be faced with the question: are they ready to continue? Are they ready to attack a nuclear power capable of wiping out any single European country or driving the US back to the Stone Age in 25-40 minutes?
    For me personally, the answer is now completely obvious. And it's precisely here that lies the reason why Iran forced the US to back down in just over a month, while another country, having expended an order of magnitude more missiles and drones, has been unable to bring Ukraine to the negotiating table for five years.

    The author moves away from his usual operations with facts to primitive demagoguery.
    "For me personally, the answer is now completely obvious."
    "Appeal to the obvious, false authority
    The demagogue's argument begins with expressions like "everyone knows that...," "obvious...," "science has long since proven...," "all successful businessmen know that...," and so on. This exploits the listener's false pride (if something is presented as "common knowledge," it can be difficult for them to admit, even to themselves, that they've never heard of it) or cites supposed authorities who agree with the statement, which has an effect on people who tend to trust authority.
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    "What if our country, like Iran today, had not calculated the consequences of its actions, but had carried them out, forcing NATO to calculate the risks of its decisions?"
    The most common form of demagogic device is a deliberate violation of logic, when a statement, while seemingly logical, actually contains logical errors. In its simplest form, a fallacious syllogism can be characterized by the following example:
    We are redheads.
    Lions are red.
    Therefore, we are lions!

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    Let's take a very simplified look at the situation with Iran and the US/Israel.
    Iran and Israel have been in conflict for a long time, since 1979.
    This conflict, of varying intensity, has escalated due to Iran's uranium and missile programs. None of Iran's neighbors are NATO members. Iran has conducted conflicts with its neighbors through its proxies and has not been observed escalating tensions beyond a certain level of "battle at border posts."
    Now, as a result of Iran's actions (leaving aside their justification), many of its neighbors' plans have "gone awry." One crown prince proposed developing a "peaceful Middle East for its residents," with Formula 1, "blackjack, and all that," plus cheap energy. And that plan has been thwarted. This won't end well for Iran, as its neighbors will now be eager to resolve the "Iranian problem"—with or without US involvement.
    So the example of Iran is irrelevant in this case, since nothing is over for Iran yet.
    And if we're going to draw analogies, we might consider countries that have already gone the "Iranian way": Syria, Libya. Is this the future the author would like for Russia? request
    1. +2
      April 20 2026 21: 07
      Quote: Wildcat
      The author moves away from his usual operations with facts to primitive demagoguery.
      "For me personally, the answer is now completely obvious."
      "Appeal to the obvious, false authority

      Unfortunately, you're the one engaging in primitive demagoguery right now. I said, "For me personally, the answer is obvious now"—that's not me imposing my point of view, it's just expressing it. But for you, it seems, any expression of an opinion that doesn't align with your own is demagoguery.
      Quote: Wildcat
      "The most common form of demagogic technique is the deliberate violation of logic, when a statement, while outwardly logical, actually contains logical errors.

      OK, find the logical error in what I wrote.
      Quote: Wildcat
      Let's take a very simplified look at the situation with Iran and the US/Israel.

      We've looked at it. So where's the error in my reasoning?
      Please be kind enough to point your finger.
      Quote: Wildcat
      This will not end well for Iran, as its neighbors will now be eager to resolve the "Iranian problem" - with or without US participation.

      Sorry, but your guesses don't qualify as my logical errors. They are yours.
      Today, Iran's situation could take a number of different turns. One non-zero outcome is that it could become a new center of power, with Arab countries seeking its protection by becoming its satellites. That's how they could resolve the "Iranian question."
      Quote: Wildcat
      And if we are going to draw analogies, then we can pay attention to countries that have already gone down the “Iranian path”: Syria, Libya.

      Both analogies are completely false – this is nowhere near the Iranian path. In both cases, the instigators of the conflict were opposition forces – meaning the war began as a civil war, with the US and other forces supporting one side. This is nowhere near the Iranian situation, in which the opposition in Iran was not nurtured, a civil war did not occur, and, moreover, calls for the overthrow of the government, coupled with bombings, and the unleashing of some insane descendant of the Shah, are grave political errors on the part of the US.
      And now, against the backdrop of the fact that you make gross mistakes in simple analogies, your reproaches seem to me... It’s not even funny anymore.
      1. +1
        April 21 2026 00: 20
        wassat
        It's taking a long time to comment on everything, forgive me, I'll just pick the funniest...
        And one non-zero option is that it could become a new center of power, with Arab countries seeking its protection by becoming its satellites. That's how they could resolve the "Iranian question."
        Hmm, the Arabs will seek protection from the Persians....
        Arabs... Sunni monarchies, with nowhere to put their money, will seek protection from the very poor Shiite Persians and their theocracies. This is despite the fact that the "Shia question" is very acute in some Sunni monarchies... So acute, in fact, that the Saudis recently rode armored vehicles to Bahrain's aid, helping to "resolve the issue"... and that's not counting the long-running war on the border with Yemen...
        wassat
        Andrei Nikolaevich, if you don't believe that military action - as in Syria and Libya - ultimately leads to internal instability, that's up to you.
        belay
        ...but what about the timing of the new Verb?
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        1. +3
          April 21 2026 12: 04
          Quote: Wildcat
          The Arabs... Sunni monarchies, where there is nowhere to put money, will seek protection from the very poor Shiite Persians with their theocracy.

          Does this phrase, "If Hitler invaded hell, I would at least speak favorably of Satan in the House of Commons," mean anything to you?
          People seek protection from those who can protect them. The US has so far demonstrated that it can't protect the Arabs, so who else should they seek this protection from?
          Quote: Wildcat
          Andrei Nikolaevich, if you don't believe that military action - as in Syria and Libya - ultimately leads to internal instability, that's up to you.

          The military actions in Syria and Libya did not ultimately lead to internal instability, they began with internal instability.
          And what happens when they try to incite internal instability with bombs? You could have seen this in the example of Ukraine, where there was a large pro-Russian population – until they started hitting it with missiles, of course.
  21. -2
    April 20 2026 20: 23
    Thesis: Modern air defense cannot effectively combat UAVs.
    Answer: The thesis is absolutely correct. The reason is that anti-UAV missiles are many times (or even orders of magnitude) more expensive than the UAVs themselves. Therefore, UAV attacks can be so widespread that they overwhelm the capabilities of virtually any air defense system.

    Unfortunately, the thesis is absolutely not true.
    If, within the framework of "definiteness with the enemy," adequate measures are taken to prepare a layered air defense system—from AWACS to fighters, helicopters, SAMs, lasers, and small-caliber anti-aircraft missiles—then the result is one (one) Shahed hit on a residential building out of an estimated "over a thousand" launched.
    To avoid starting a holy war, I won't write about where the air defense is, sapienti sat...
    Thesis: UAVs are capable of solving reconnaissance and ground target engagement tasks that were previously performed by tactical aircraft.
    Answer: This is a false conclusion. For example, during Desert Storm, American aircraft effectively isolated combat zones, impeding the delivery of supplies and the maneuvering of Iraqi troop units. Meanwhile, neither the Ukrainian Armed Forces nor the Russian Federation, despite their numerous UAVs, can demonstrate anything similar. Even when the enemy is two-thirds encircled, our armed forces are usually unable to completely disrupt supply lines. This is extremely difficult, but possible. Further to the rear, the Ukrainian Armed Forces command easily removes units, up to several brigades, from some sectors of the front and redeploys them to others. Moreover, the Russian Armed Forces command is often unaware that the enemy is concentrating its forces, which is why the Ukrainian Armed Forces periodically launch surprise counterattacks.

    This is not entirely the correct answer.
    The author can independently find examples of reports and videos stating "drones are preventing rotation/supply/evacuation of personnel at a distance of at least ________ km," and so on, all the way to "drones are forcing the transition to resupply of ammunition, provisions, and other personnel to their positions by airborne drones." Moreover, some sources estimate losses from drones as comparable to those previously incurred by artillery.
    Moreover, one can find reports that the concentration of equipment for a mechanized offensive in the rear, even at the advance stage, can be attacked using drones.
    Where can I find such messages and videos? Well... where can the author... feel request
    I can only suggest Rutube/VKvideo and Razvedos... feel

    To carry out Operation Desert Storm against Iraq, a country roughly twice the size of Yugoslavia, the US and its allies deployed approximately 2800 aircraft. In Iran, a country nearly four times larger than Iraq, they planned to make do with approximately 500 US and Israeli aircraft.
    Moreover, in Desert Storm, the Americans had no intention of winning the war solely through air power. They concentrated numerous ground forces, which were then thrown into battle in the final phase of the operation. In other words, the air power of the multinational force was not intended to force Saddam Hussein to peace on its own; its only task was to weaken the Iraqi forces sufficiently to allow the ground forces to achieve their objectives with minimal losses.
    I agree, it's much better than that.
    It is common knowledge that Operation Desert Storm, conducted in 1991, was won by international coalition forces in the air.

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    P.S. When can we expect the next alternative series? "Glagol" still has no sequel.
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      April 20 2026 21: 23
      Quote: Wildcat
      Unfortunately, the thesis is absolutely not true.

      You speak and... give an example that refutes you.
      Quote: Wildcat
      If, within the framework of "definiteness with the enemy," adequate measures are taken to prepare a layered air defense system—from AWACS to fighters, helicopters, SAMs, lasers, and small-caliber anti-aircraft missiles—then the result is one (one) Shahed hit on a residential building out of an estimated "over a thousand" launched.

      Yes. And Israel can put on such a show for about ten days. Then it simply exhausts its arsenal, spending missiles worth a million dollars or more to intercept a cheap drone—and that's it. That's the end of its air defense.
      Therefore, modern air defense cannot combat drones - such a fight is too expensive, and there are no SAMs in stock.
      That's the first point. Second, you're once again resorting to demagoguery, trying to refute the only option that suits you—the long-range Geranium-style drones. And you're "modestly" keeping silent about the drones used by the Ukrainian and Russian Armed Forces on long-range missions, which is understandable—proving the ability of air defenses to cover their own troops from "baba yogas," to provide cover for assault groups, and so on, is unrealistic. So you glossed over the matter for the sake of clarity.
      Quote: Wildcat
      The author can independently find examples of messages and videos "drones prevent rotation/supply/evacuation"

      Another demagogic tactic. Accuse the author of misinformation and suggest they seek their own refutation. The basis? The tactic you constantly attribute to me: "everyone already knows that."
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        April 21 2026 00: 08
        Yes. And Israel can put on such a show for about ten days. Then it simply exhausts its arsenal, spending missiles worth a million dollars or more to intercept a cheap drone—and that's it. That's the end of its air defense.
        Therefore, modern air defense cannot combat drones - such a fight is too expensive, and there are no SAMs in stock.
        Andrey Nikolaevich, please, where did you get this "about 10 days and that's it" and the millions of anti-drone missiles? And 2026—are we even counting?
        You're right about "no SAMs in short supply" and "the drones used by the Ukrainian and Russian Armed Forces on LBSs": Besides SAMs, lasers are already installed on the BD, anti-drone systems and small anti-aircraft missiles with AHead are in operation, and the "infantryman's last line of defense" already has sights that automatically generate a lead on drones...
        IMHO, it's not entirely clear whether they were able to complete the target selection for the APS and close the upper hemisphere, while still retaining the "disabling when friendly infantry is in the kill zone" function.
        1. +2
          April 21 2026 07: 30
          Quote: Wildcat
          And 2026 - we're not counting anymore?

          Have you noticed that in 2026, Iran hardly ever attacked Israel? And even then, Israel's air defenses couldn't cope.
  22. +1
    April 20 2026 23: 55
    Nevertheless, the material part of Iran's air defense could be assessed very highly
    It can be assessed based on objective results, which are described in the article.
    And since the author does not provide a description of Iranian air defense systems or their number, it is impossible to understand how the rating “very high” was given.
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    Here
    https://topwar.ru/116601-pvo-islamskoy-respubliki-iran-chast-5.html
    Air Defense of the Islamic Republic of Iran (part 5)

    It is possible to obtain more or less accurate information on this issue, unfortunately, with adjustments for the past 9 years.
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    ON THE SUBJECT: in general, more or less accurate data exists on systems received from the USSR and the Russian Federation.
    There is little information about Iranian-developed air defense systems, but given the overall level of development (and the result for 2025-2026), their level must be recognized as unsatisfactory and in need of improvement.
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    ...The US and Israeli air forces have repeatedly proven that achieving air superiority against a very powerful, modern, and layered enemy air defense is entirely possible. Their combat operations against Iran are the latest example.
    Moreover, the Iranian experience has demonstrated that air superiority can only be achieved with the appropriate equipment and tactics. Iran's air defenses are adept at shooting down drones, which lack both, but have proven completely powerless against manned aircraft, which possess and are skilled in the use of all those reconnaissance aircraft, electronic warfare systems, AWACS, and so on.
    Therefore, as sad as it is to admit, if the Russian Aerospace Forces were ordered to fight Iran with, say, 400 aircraft, selected at the discretion of our command, this air group would achieve roughly the same results as against the Ukrainian Air Force's air defenses. That is, almost nothing. Meanwhile, the US Air Force, having allocated 400 aircraft from its complement, would very quickly crush the Ukrainian Air Force's anti-aircraft gunners into the black soil of Ukraine.
    Again, this is not an obvious conclusion, given the data on Iranian air defense.
    Strictly speaking, even the "anti-aircraft gunners of the Ukrainian Armed Forces" were unable to cover their mechanized strike groups from Russian Air Force helicopters during the "counteroffensive in the South."
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    But the author rightly places emphasis on preparation and, while it is still possible, one should still take into account the experience of those who know how to “break air defenses.”
    Here, for example
    The British air base at Spadedam is the largest NATO air base in Western Europe.
    https://topwar.ru/281216-britanskaja-aviabaza-spadedam-krupnejshij-aviacionnyj-poligon-nato-v-zapadnoj-evrope.html
    There is a description of what needs to be done to prepare the Air Force.
    And, as one generalissimo is credited with saying (he spoke on a similar matter): ““No need for better. Make it exactly like this."" (With)
    Yes
    1. +1
      April 21 2026 08: 46
      Quote: Wildcat
      Strictly speaking, even the "anti-aircraft gunners of the Ukrainian Armed Forces" were unable to cover their mechanized strike groups from Russian Air Force helicopters during the "counteroffensive in the South."

      You're once again confusing God's gift with scrambled eggs. I'm writing about how the Ukrainian Armed Forces were prevented from establishing air superiority over Ukraine, that is, over their own territory. You're questioning this fact on the grounds that the air defenses failed to provide cover for the ATTACKING forces, which obviously has little to do with their own skies and is far more complex.
      What's even sadder is that you remember the Russian helicopter pilots who were able to attack the attackers, but "completely forgot" about the Aerospace Forces aircraft that were ultimately unable to suppress this offensive.
  23. -3
    April 21 2026 10: 29
    P.S. "What are you writing, author!" some reader will exclaim upon reaching these lines: "Iran, with the help of its drones, managed to bring the world's leading power to the negotiating table!"

    That's true, but not entirely. And if you think about it, it's not true at all.

    The future is uncertain, but Iran is winning now—that's certain. But why?

    Because he's not afraid to fight and fight back—with all the force he can muster, stopping at nothing, even though he's fighting a decidedly stronger enemy. The Persians were attacked by the United States—a country immeasurably superior to Iran in military power, possessing nuclear weapons, and truly capable of wiping Iran off the face of the earth. Scared? Iran couldn't care less.

    "Do you know why, Andrey, 'Iran doesn't care'? Because Iran, under the leadership of the Shiite Islamic theocracy, has become a martyr state." A suicide bomber is afraid of absolutely nothing. — a reward in Paradise awaits him. The Iranian ayatollahs made the destruction of Israel their primary goal and worked toward it for over 40 years. And they were prepared to ultimately accomplish this by launching a nuclear strike against Israel, completely disregarding the retaliatory strike and the death toll of their population—they would all become martyrs and all go to Paradise. THEREFORE, IRAN'S LEADERSHIP CAN AFFORD TO ACT ABSOLUTELY RECKLESSLY, WITHOUT ANY CONSEQUENCES.
    ==============
    It is absolutely clear that the Russian leadership cannot afford anything like this - and not even because their children are in the West, because they have purchased property there worth hundreds of millions of dollars, etc.
    The Russian leadership cannot afford to turn Russia into a shahid state, as the theocracy of Iran can do. The ideology of the shahid is an ideology of death in the name of realizing a great idea. Iran's leadership was prepared to kill tens of millions of its citizens just to destroy Israel. Russia's leadership is not prepared to subject tens of millions of its citizens to the annihilation of their own— for what?? In the name of what?! WHY START A NUCLEAR MISSILE WAR WITH THE WEST, WHICH WILL RESULT IN RUSSIA TURNING INTO A PATHETIC COLONY OF CHINA?! Even if we manage to seriously batter NATO countries and the USA?!
    1. +1
      April 21 2026 11: 19
      Quote: Michael1950
      "Do you know why, Andrey, 'Iran doesn't care'? Because Iran, under the leadership of the Shiite Islamic theocracy, has become a martyr state."

      I understand why Israel finds it convenient to think of him as such, but no, he is nowhere near that.
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        April 21 2026 11: 34
        What is Iran if not a shahid country?
        Iran has been plotting the destruction of Israel for over 40 years—without even trying to disguise its intentions. It has spent HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS (if not trillions) on this. Are you sure this was the "optimal investment" for it? That it couldn't have used those resources better?
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          April 21 2026 11: 44
          HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS, of course, a typo.
        2. +2
          April 21 2026 11: 54
          Quote: Michael1950
          What is Iran if not a shahid country?

          Israel has a very strong domestic propaganda system. Its basis, in short, is: "A Jew is always right. If a Jew is wrong, see paragraph one."
          Iran is undoubtedly an adversary of Israel, but it's certainly not a demon incarnate or suicidal. Despite all its rhetoric, Iran hasn't directly attacked Israel. As for supporting "sympathizers"... As if Israel hasn't done that in Iran.
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            April 21 2026 12: 13
            That is: Are you completely unaware that for over 40 years, Iran has been engaged not in "rhetoric," but in actual preparation for the destruction of Israel? Physical destruction, or any other form of destruction? And this is precisely why he equipped and armed his proxies—Hamas, Hezbollah, his groups in Syria and Iraq, the Houthis in Yemen? That Iran simply had nowhere to put billions of dollars, so it invested them in the massive development of its military industry?
            WHO WAS PREPARING TO ATTACK IRAN? After Saddam Hussein was "driven into prison" in 1991. IRAN DIDN'T FACE THE SMALLEST SERIOUS THREAT IN THE ENTIRE MIDDLE EAST. So why did it need this insane militarization?!
            1. +1
              April 21 2026 12: 23
              Quote: Michael1950
              Are you completely unaware that for over 40 years, Iran has been engaged not in "rhetoric," but in actual preparation for the destruction of Israel? Physical destruction, or any other form of destruction?

              I am absolutely aware that you are absolutely sure of this.
              But this doesn't make your thesis any less false.
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                April 21 2026 12: 32
                Why do you consider it false? If ALL of Iran's actions, not just its words, point to this. Did I mention proxies—or do you "not believe" them?
                1. +1
                  April 21 2026 14: 25
                  Quote: Michael1950
                  If ALL of Iran's actions, and not just words, speak about this.

                  You see, you could just as easily say that all of Israel's actions are aimed at destroying Iran. And you could equally well ask questions about the hundreds of billions of dollars Israel has spent on weapons. You talk about Iranian proxies, but you don't mention OMNI, Israel's strikes on Syria, and so on.
                  1. -1
                    April 21 2026 15: 04
                    You see, with the same justification one can say that all of Israel's actions are aimed at destroying Iran.

                    - In currently — I would be delighted! Just as after June 22, 1941, countless Soviet citizens dreamed of Germany's destruction.
                    And just as importantly, ask questions about the hundreds of billions of dollars Israel has spent on weapons.

                    - They are aimed at protecting the country from destruction.
                    You talk about Iranian proxies, but you don't talk about OMNI.

                    - What is "OMNI"?
                    about Israel's strikes on Syria

                    - What are you talking about?? 1
                    On May 4, 1948, Israel declared independence. A number of Arab countries (Egypt, Transjordan, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Yemen) invaded Palestine, seeking to prevent the UN partition plan from being implemented, destroy the newly formed Jewish state, and establish, in accordance with its declaration, a "unified state of Palestine." The Israelis repelled the attack, defended Israel's existence, and captured even more territory than in the first phase of the war.
                    ..........................
                    Since then, Israel has not signed any "peace treaty" with Syria.
                    etc.

                    - What "etc."?
                    Are you going to continue to claim that Iran did not aim to destroy Israel, EVEN THOUGH IT CLEARLY TELLS THIS TO THE WHOLE WORLD? Through the lips of their main political leaders?!
                    1. +1
                      April 21 2026 15: 17
                      Quote: Michael1950
                      - They are aimed at protecting the country from destruction.

                      Iran can say the same.
                      Quote: Michael1950
                      - What is "OMNI"?

                      Typo, OMIN
                      Quote: Michael1950
                      Since then, Israel has not signed any "peace treaty" with Syria.

                      And you think this gives Israel the right to launch military strikes? How sweet...
                      Quote: Michael1950
                      Are you going to continue to claim that Iran did not aim to destroy Israel, EVEN THOUGH IT CLEARLY TELLS THIS TO THE WHOLE WORLD?

                      Yes. And at the same time, he calmly bought weapons as part of the Iran-Contra deal, with Israel's direct involvement. A deal at the Prime Minister's level.
                      Iran has been and remains Israel's adversary. But it is neither a suicide bomber nor a hellish Satan—Arabs have no fewer reasons to be hostile to Jews than Jews have to Arabs.
                      1. -1
                        April 21 2026 16: 55
                        - Iran's leaders have been screaming for 40 years that the "Zionist entity" must be destroyed. Israel NEVER said Iran must be destroyed.
                        If your neighbor has been screaming for 40 years that "you must be destroyed," if he creates groups in various neighboring countries, arms them, finances them, and they shell you for years, killing your citizens, does this mean that he is your mortal enemy? And you should calmly wait for him to kill you?
                      2. +1
                        April 21 2026 18: 05
                        Quote: Michael1950
                        If your neighbor has been screaming for 40 years that "you must be destroyed," if he creates groups in various neighboring countries, arms them, finances them, and they shell you for years, killing your citizens.

                        Aha. True, for some reason you're silent about the fact that Israel, for its part, quite easily killed people from whom Iran then recruited its proxies.
                        Both sides were covered in blood up to their ears.
                        Quote: Michael1950
                        Does this mean that he is your mortal enemy? And you should calmly wait for him to kill you?

                        Once again, what Iran said doesn't make it a shahid or a hellish Satan. An enemy of Israel – yes, of course.
                      3. -2
                        April 21 2026 19: 46
                        Aha. True, for some reason you're silent about the fact that Israel, for its part, quite easily killed people from whom Iran then recruited its proxies.
                        Both sides were covered in blood up to their ears.

                        It's like the Great Patriotic War - both Soviet soldiers and the Germans were "soaked in blood up to their ears!"
                        Examples, specific examples, of Israel killing (WITHOUT CAUSE) those people from whom Iran recruited proxies to kill Israelis?
                        Once again, what Iran said doesn't make it a shahid or a hellish Satan. An enemy of Israel – yes, of course.

                        Until 1939, Hitler only said that the Jews should be exterminated. And before that, nothing made him a "hellish devil"? Should I have waited until he started doing it?! Then only can we call it?
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                        April 21 2026 19: 55
                        In 2014, only a small minority of Ukrainians, less than three percent, screamed "Hang the Muscovite!" There were no mass killings of Russians in Ukraine, either in 2014 or since! But the great and mighty Russian army entered Ukraine, killed over a million people (a huge number of them ethnic Russians), and lost just as many of its own. And no harm done! Russians are allowed to invade a neighboring country and kill a million people, even though the most extreme Nazis killed fewer than three hundred pro-Russians. The official line is: "The Ukrainian Nazis wanted to kill us all! That's why we went in and killed them so they wouldn't kill us!"
                        Can Russians do it? But can't Jews do it?
                      5. -2
                        April 21 2026 20: 16
                        Victims of the Ukrainian Nazis:

                        As a result of the fire in the Trade Union House in Odessa on May 2, 2014, 48 people.

                        The tragedy occurred during clashes between Euromaidan protesters (including far-right groups) and Antimaidan supporters. A fire that started in the Trade Unions building, where Antimaidan supporters had taken refuge, resulted in deaths. According to investigators, most of the victims died from carbon monoxide and smoke inhalation, as well as burns; some jumped from windows.
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                        This was one of the main reasons for the outbreak of the war, which claimed over a million lives on each side. Are you opposed to this solution?
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                        Hamas killed over 1200 people when it attacked Israel on October 7, 2023. But killing them in retaliation is wrong! It's inhumane!
                      6. +1
                        April 21 2026 21: 44
                        Quote: Michael1950
                        This was one of the main reasons for the start of the war.

                        This was not a reason to start the war at all.
                        Quote: Michael1950
                        Hamas killed over 1200 people when it attacked Israel on October 7, 2023. But killing them in retaliation is wrong! It's inhumane!

                        Why not? Yes, you can. But you didn't kill Hamas, you killed a huge number of civilians and attacked Iran, which didn't attack you.
                      7. -1
                        April 21 2026 23: 07
                        Quote: Michael1950
                        This was one of the main reasons for the start of the war.

                        This was not a reason to start the war at all.

                        - It was a pretext, of course. It wasn't the REASON.
                        Quote: Michael1950
                        Hamas killed over 1200 people when it attacked Israel on October 7, 2023. But killing them in retaliation is wrong! It's inhumane!

                        Why not? Yes, you can. But you didn't kill Hamas, you killed a huge number of civilians.

                        - When the Soviet Union was liberated from the German invaders and the lands they occupied (including the territory of Germany itself), a huge number of civilians from the Soviet Union and other countries died along the way to Berlin, and in Germany itself, under Soviet shells, rockets and bombs.
                        But you'll be the first to say that this is inevitable collateral damage.
                        But when Israel is killing Hamas militants in Gaza, tens and tens of thousands, it is obliged to separate every Arab child from the militants and only then strike them! Marshal Zhukov could have chosen NOT to separate children from enemy soldiers, but IDF commanders—no way!
                      8. +1
                        April 22 2026 07: 57
                        Quote: Michael1950
                        Marshal Zhukov was allowed NOT to separate children from enemy soldiers, but IDF commanders were absolutely right!

                        Excuse me, who told you such nonsense? Zhukov and other Soviet marshals did indeed separate them. Of course, in street fighting this was often impossible, but the Red Army tried very hard to do so.
                        Simply put, the Red Army did everything it could to minimize civilian casualties. Moreover, the Red Army harshly punished those who deliberately harmed German civilians, with the death toll running into the thousands. The IDF, on the other hand...
                        Since the start of the Gaza War in October 2023, the Israeli military and authorities have committed numerous war crimes, including collective punishment of the Palestinian people; attacks on civilians in densely populated areas (including the bombing of hospitals and medical facilities, refugee camps, schools and educational institutions, and municipal services); torture and executions of civilians; sexual violence, including rape; and genocide. Other accusations of war crimes against Israel include forced evacuations, ill-treatment, and torture of Palestinian prisoners, and the destruction of cultural heritage. Humanitarian organizations such as Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, B'tselem, and Oxfam, as well as human rights groups and experts, including the UN Independent International Commission of Inquiry and UN special rapporteurs, have documented these actions.

                        So, you shouldn't compare the IDF to the Red Army. Compare the IDF to the Wehrmacht, please. It'll be more honest. Although, if you dig deeper, the IDF isn't far from the level of the SS.
                      9. -1
                        April 22 2026 08: 36
                        Excuse me, who told you such nonsense? Zhukov and other Soviet marshals did indeed separate them. Of course, in street fighting this was often impossible, but the Red Army tried very hard to do so.

                        - And how could this be done during the storming of Berlin? Have you already received the data?
                        Simply put, the Red Army did everything it could to minimize civilian losses.

                        - The Red Army did everything to carry out the combat order. NOTHING MORE. "They told us: we need high ground and not to spare the bullets!"
                        Moreover, the Red Army severely punished those who deliberately caused harm to German civilians.

                        - Punishment - sometimes.
                        ...the number of those executed was in the thousands.

                        - Say it again - "tens of thousands"!
                        The IDF...
                        So, you shouldn't compare the IDF to the Red Army. Compare the IDF to the Wehrmacht, please. It'll be more honest. Although, if you dig deeper, the IDF isn't far from the level of the SS.

                        - This is simply a monstrous propaganda lie and you are in its captivity. According to objective calculations, the IDF kills one civilian for every fighter killed, while in the US Army, in all their military campaigns of recent decades (Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria), this ratio is 1:8The Russian army is "not even a bast shoe"—Russian pilots in Syria spent YEARS bombing districts of Aleppo (where two million people once lived) with free-fall bombs from 6000 meters! Try to imagine, stretch your imagination, how these half-ton bombs, dropped from 6 kilometers above the ground, "sorted" the "militants from civilians" deep in residential areas?! ABSOLUTELY NOT. There were tens of thousands of dead, and no one was counting them...
                      10. +1
                        April 22 2026 09: 00
                        Quote: Michael1950
                        - And how could this be done during the storming of Berlin? Have you already received the data?

                        They fought specifically against the Wehrmacht, and didn't just demolish everything in the squares; they carried out propaganda, took care of civilians, supplying them with food and basic necessities.
                        "Mom came up from the basement to get some water and a bomb exploded nearby, Mom went deaf for a while, after which I took her back to the basement, completely forgetting about the water. At dawn, all the explosions died down, it was very quiet and I heard tanks driving next to our house. I ran out to see, thinking that they were our soldiers, but they were Russian tanks with red stars painted on them, and behind the tanks, Soviet soldiers in helmets were walking crouched. Everyone walked silently and they started shooting from the neighboring house, after which the tank fired at this house and nothing was left of it. I ran home and closed the door, I heard soldiers knocking on our door, but I didn’t open it. Eventually, the door was broken down and three people entered the room, two young people who looked about 18 years old and an adult man of about 40 with a mustache. I was 18 and apparently the young people were the same age, the officer said something and the young people left the house, and he just He looked at me silently. I didn't know what to do, so I picked up some cigarettes from the table and handed them to him, and he took the cigarettes and gave me a can of stew in return. The shelling started, and explosions were heard, and there were screams everywhere. The officer gestured for me to lie down, and he ran out into the street. I found out later that all the explosions were caused by my neighbors who decided to resist. There were four of them, shooting and throwing grenades, but the Russians fired a tank at the building again, and nothing remained of the house either. One of the shooters managed to jump out of the house before the tank fired, and they took his rifle and put it against the wall. I didn't watch, and then a shot rang out.
                        Several thousand Soviet soldiers passed by our house until evening. There was no smile on their faces, only fatigue and indifference in their eyes. I expected to die, but no one tried to harm or rob us. The next day, three soldiers came to our house, wrote down our names and those of our entire family, and then left us food and even gave us sugar. That evening, I was returning home and saw Soviet soldiers lining up our officers against the wall and leading ordinary soldiers away under escort. A shot rang out, and the next officers were lined up. I was horrified by such cruelty, but only later did I learn of the horrors our soldiers committed under the orders of their officers. I saw a familiar man, but he didn't look like himself; he was thin and exhausted. I went over to find out what had happened to him, and he told me he had been in a camp near Berlin. They had kept him there like an animal because he was Jewish and had been liberated by Soviet soldiers a few days earlier. He told me about the horrors committed by German soldiers there; I couldn't believe my ears. Only after that did I understand why they treated German officers that way."

                        That's something like
                        Quote: Michael1950
                        The Red Army did everything it could to carry out its combat orders. Nothing more. "They told us: we need high ground, and don't spare the bullets!"

                        You see, this is a completely psychologically understandable justification for the IDF - like, "what about us, everyone does it anyway."
                        Not all.
                        Quote: Michael1950
                        - Say it again - "tens of thousands"!

                        In general, I came across the figure of 10,000 people.
                        Quote: Michael1950
                        According to objective calculations, the IDF kills one civilian for every one fighter killed.

                        Of course, of course, the most objective calculation of all possible... It is enough to simply attribute half of those killed to militants
                        Quote: Michael1950
                        About the Russian army, "even a bast shoe doesn't ring"

                        I won't argue with you on this topic. You're wrong, if only because the reports of indiscriminate bombing of Aleppo date back to a time before the Russian Aerospace Forces had even deployed to Syria.
                        But that's not the point. The point is that you're again seeking justification for the IDF by claiming "everyone does it." Be consistent and apply this thesis to the IDF and the Germans in WWII—as I've already said, that would be more honest.
                      11. -1
                        April 22 2026 09: 40
                        They fought specifically against the Wehrmacht, and didn't just demolish everything in the squares; they carried out propaganda, took care of civilians, supplying them with food and basic necessities.
                        That's something like

                        Let's ask a more independent source:
                        How many Red Army soldiers in Germany committed various crimes against civilians in 1944-45?

                        Historians estimate that between 1 and 2 million German women were raped by Soviet soldiers in 1944–1945, with widespread reports of robbery, murder, and brutality during the occupation. While the exact number of perpetrators is unknown, the crimes were widespread and affected numerous units; nevertheless, 4148 Red Army officers and many enlisted men were officially punished for such crimes.

                        Number of rapes: It is estimated that between 90,000 and 130,000 women were raped in Berlin alone.

                        Widespread violence: robbery, looting and murder were common as the Red Army advanced, particularly in East Prussia, Silesia, Pomerania and Vienna.

                        Soviet response: Despite the scale, Soviet leadership was aware of the actions, which were often attributed to rear-echelon units. While some soldiers were punished, the widespread nature of the violence suggests a lack of complete control.

                        Context: Soviet soldiers who lived through years of brutal occupation of their homeland often describe this violence as revenge.

                        For a more complete understanding of the scale of these atrocities, one can turn to academic sources such as the Cambridge University Press book Violence and Occupation, which examines the disciplinary measures and orders issued by commanders to curb such behavior.
                        You see, this is a completely psychologically understandable justification for the IDF - like, "what about us, everyone does it anyway."
                        Not all.

                        - Once again: for all objective investigations, the IDF during all combat operations in enemy territories is registered as the most humane army in human history.
                        But that's not the point. The point is that you're again seeking justification for the IDF by claiming "everyone does it." Be consistent and apply this thesis to the IDF and the Germans in WWII—as I've already said, that would be more honest.

                        "The idea that any IDF action in Gaza is a million times more humane than the Russian army's actions in Bucha—you'll find out in just a few years... There's no point in arguing now—you've been imprinted with completely different propaganda patterns. Even if you hear the TRUTH in a few years, you very likely won't believe it..."
                      12. -1
                        April 22 2026 09: 52
                        An Arab "researcher" published an opus in which she found herself asking: why don't IDF soldiers rape Arab women?! Every army in the world does it in occupied territories, but these "degenerates" almost never do it! Why ?! And I came to a clear conclusion: because they are racists and consider it beneath their dignity to have sex with Arab women! am They are disdained and neglected...
                      13. +1
                        April 21 2026 21: 43
                        Quote: Michael1950
                        Can Russians do it? But can't Jews do it?

                        You have the right to assess Russia's actions in the Central Military District however you see fit. This doesn't change the fact that you're currently trying to deflect the discussion from the subject matter into emotional outbursts, which demonstrates the weakness of your substantive position.
                        In general, we were talking about whether Iran is a martyr state:))))) And the SVO is absolutely not needed here.
                      14. -1
                        April 21 2026 22: 57
                        What about the "historical parallels"?! I'm telling you that Israel killed Arabs IN DEFENSE—you claim it doesn't matter—"they're both up to their ears in blood anyway!" Therefore, someone who kills their enemies in defense is no better than someone who kills while attacking.
                      15. -1
                        April 22 2026 08: 57
                        Iran, under the rule of a theocratic dictatorship, is truly a martyr state, perhaps for the first time in human history. The fact is that In Islam, being a shahid is the highest calling of a believer — to carry the green banner of the Prophet across the globe, sparing absolutely no life! From their point of view, this is not just good—it is the highest valor! For you, "being a shahid" may seem unnatural—BUT NOT FOR THEM.
                      16. +1
                        April 22 2026 09: 54
                        Quote: Michael1950
                        The fact is that in Islam, being a shahid is the highest calling of a believer.

                        Which means that you understand less than nothing about Islam.
                        The image of the enemy in its purest form.
                      17. -1
                        April 22 2026 10: 35
                        - Andrey, don't make me laugh! Perhaps you have some other kind of Islam there, "polished and polished" (until then!), but here we have it - it’s real! wink
                      18. +1
                        April 22 2026 10: 47
                        Quote: Michael1950
                        and here we have it - it's real!

                        Of course, of course, how could it be otherwise?
                        I think it's time to end this debate - it's clearly becoming counterproductive.
                      19. 0
                        April 22 2026 10: 51
                        - As you wish! wink There are plenty of aviation topics...
                      20. +1
                        April 21 2026 21: 35
                        Quote: Michael1950
                        Examples, specific examples, of Israel killing (WITHOUT CAUSE) those people from whom Iran recruited proxies to kill Israelis?

                        You know as well as I do where the Arab-Jewish conflict begins. It all began with the immigration of Jews to Palestine, which the Arabs perceived as an encroachment on their ancestral lands. Since then, everyone, Arab or Jew, can rightfully claim that they have never killed Jews/Arabs without cause.
                        Quote: Michael1950
                        Until 1939, Hitler only said that the Jews should be exterminated. And nothing before that made him a "hellish devil"? Should we have waited until he started doing something?!

                        Of course. I take it you don't even know the basics of jurisprudence?
                      21. -2
                        April 21 2026 22: 52
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        You know as well as I do where the Arab-Jewish conflict begins. It all began with the immigration of Jews to Palestine, which the Arabs perceived as an encroachment on their ancestral lands. Since then, everyone, Arab or Jew, can rightfully claim that they have never killed Jews/Arabs without cause.

                        Did you know that absolutely all Jewish land since 1882 was PURCHASED, as it was Ottoman territory until 1917, and no land could be forcibly taken there. It was then a British mandate until 1948, where there was also no talk of forcibly taking land from anyone. Therefore, as an expert in jurisprudence, it should be absolutely clear to you that the Arabs had no LEGAL right to believe that the Jews had encroached on THEIR land.
                        Quote: Michael1950
                        Until 1939, Hitler only said that the Jews should be exterminated. And nothing before that made him a "hellish devil"? Should we have waited until he started doing something?!

                        Of course. I take it you don't even know the basics of jurisprudence?

                        - Yes indeed! I forgot about the "Stalin-Hitler Pact"—if Hitler had been a "hellish devil" on August 23, 1939, would Comrade Stalin have been able to conclude a similar pact with him?! Hitler was a friend, a comrade, and a brother back then!
                        He became a treacherous scoundrel only on June 22, 1941...
                      22. +1
                        April 22 2026 08: 07
                        Quote: Michael1950
                        Did you know that absolutely all Jewish lands since 1882 have been PURCHASED?

                        I know. I also know that this practice was not approved by the overwhelming majority of Arab people, but no one asked them.
                        Quote: Michael1950
                        - Yes indeed! I forgot about the "Stalin-Hitler Pact" - if Hitler had been a "hellish Satan" on August 23, 1939, could Comrade Stalin have concluded a replacement pact with him?!

                        Of course he could have. The pact was needed to delay war with Germany as late as possible, because Stalin rightly believed he was not ready for it. France and England categorically refused to become allies of the USSR, and Poland also rejected Soviet assistance.
                        Once again, don't try to play on emotions. Firstly, it's not constructive, and secondly, it won't work, especially on historical issues.
                      23. -2
                        April 22 2026 08: 51
                        I know. I also know that this practice was not approved by the overwhelming majority of Arab people, but no one asked them.

                        - If in the Ottoman, Turkish Empire some Arab sold his plot of land to Jews in order to buy something somewhere else, and some of his neighbors were unhappy about it - So it’s none of his pig business, let him go to the qadi with his dissatisfaction and complain about the laws of the Turkish Empire to the Turkish officials! If you want to sell something that belongs to you to someone, and some neighbor is unhappy about it, where will you send this neighbor?
                        The pact was needed to delay war with Germany as late as possible, because Stalin rightly believed he was not ready for it. France and England categorically refused to become allies of the USSR, and Poland also rejected Soviet assistance.
                        Once again, don't try to play on emotions. Firstly, it's not constructive, and secondly, it won't work, especially on historical issues.

                        Have you read Rezun-Suvorov's three books, "The Icebreaker," "Day M," and "The Last Republic"? Have you read them carefully? What about Mark Solonin's books on the same topic?
                        Because everyone has been taught the official version since school, but it has nothing to do with reality.
                      24. +2
                        April 22 2026 10: 04
                        Quote: Michael1950
                        Have you read Rezun-Suvorov's three books, "The Icebreaker," "Day M," and "The Last Republic"? Have you read them carefully? What about Mark Solonin's books on the same topic?

                        Of course. And I can lay out point by point all the lies included there. Simply because, in addition to the above, I've read official Soviet historiography, and in some places I've reached the level of documents, as well as Manstein, Tippelskirch, Müller-Hillebrand, Halder, Mellenthin, Carius, Bradley, Churchill, a host of Western and Russian historians, a mountain of technical literature, and much more.
                        Therefore, your reference to these "comrades" (even though Manstein, for example, refutes Rezun in a number of cases) tells me a lot about you. First and foremost, about you being an incredibly biased person.
                        Quote: Michael1950
                        If in the Ottoman, Turkish empire some Arab sold his plot of land to the Jews in order to buy something somewhere else, and some of his neighbors are unhappy with this, then it’s none of his piggish business.

                        In civil law, of course, it is, but establishing one's own state on purchased lands isn't exactly the domain of civil law. More precisely, it's not at all a domain that can be ratified by purchase and sale agreements.
                      25. -3
                        April 22 2026 10: 48
                        Therefore, your reference to these "comrades" (even though Manstein, for example, refutes Rezun in a number of cases) tells me a lot about you. First and foremost, about you being an incredibly biased person.

                        - Made me smile! The thing is (I don't know if you're aware of it or not), all of Rezun-Suvorov's research is based exclusively on the classics: Marx, Engels, Lenin! And on the history of the USSR from its inception. You hardly had the opportunity to study Marxism-Leninism at length and thoughtfully? Haven't you ever taken an exam in scientific communism? That's probably why you didn't see any true Marxism-Leninism in Rezun-Suvorov's works... laughing
                        In civil law, of course, it is, but establishing one's own state on purchased lands isn't exactly the domain of civil law. More precisely, it's not at all a domain that can be ratified by purchase and sale agreements.

                        - What are you talking about? Israel and the "Arab State" were created by a UN resolution and British mandated territory. Jews agreed to the creation of the Jewish state; today marks its 78th anniversary, a national holiday in Israel. "The Arabs gave up on the UN resolution and, together with seven neighboring countries, attacked the newborn State of Israel in order to destroy it."And then for 78 years they cry and moan: "How can this be?! We went out for wool, and we regularly come back shorn?! Where is the justice? Why weren't we allowed to destroy the Jewish state, according to all the laws of Islam?"
                        But of course you feel sorry for them - after all, they suffered such injustice - they attacked Israel with seven of them, and they were beaten up, not allowing them to implement the cherished Islamic principle! am
                      26. +2
                        April 22 2026 13: 59
                        Quote: Michael1950
                        All of Rezun-Suvorov’s research is based exclusively on the classics: Marx, Engels, Lenin!

                        You are so completely mistaken that I am beginning to seriously doubt that you have read Rezun.
                        Perhaps someone told it to you? laughing
                        Quote: Michael1950
                        You probably haven't had the chance to study Marxism-Leninism at length or thoughtfully? Have you ever taken exams on scientific communism?

                        Don't worry about that, my history teacher at university was someone who had previously taught the history of the CPSU, so I have a pretty good idea:))))
                        You are now manipulating - scientific communism is a theory that has absolutely no relation to historical facts on the eve of WWII.
                        Quote: Michael1950
                        - What are you talking about? Israel and the "Arab State" were created by a UN resolution and on British-mandated territory.

                        I have to disappoint you – there was no UN resolution in 1922, nor could there have been one, because the UN emerged after WWII. The decision was made by the League of Nations. Why is this important? Because the Arabs weren't represented in the League of Nations, and no one actually consulted them.
                        That is, the classic: "They married me without me."
                      27. -3
                        April 22 2026 14: 47
                        You are so completely mistaken that I am beginning to seriously doubt that you have read Rezun.
                        Perhaps someone told it to you? laughing

                        These have been my go-to books for the past 30 years. If you're truly interested, please write an article—"A Critique of the Books of Rezun-Suvorov and Mark Solonin"—I'd be delighted to discuss it all there, "in verse and color," so as not to get off-topic here.
                        Don't worry about that, my history teacher at university was someone who had previously taught the history of the CPSU, so I have a pretty good idea:))))

                        - You didn’t take any tests or exams—to assume that you are a deep expert in Marxism-Leninism and the history of the CPSU is too reckless! laughing
                        You are now manipulating - scientific communism is a theory that has absolutely no relation to historical facts on the eve of WWII.

                        - Create a relevant topic and write an article. I'll prove it to you there. wink
                        Quote: Michael1950
                        - What are you talking about? Israel and the "Arab State" were created by a UN resolution and on British-mandated territory.

                        I have to disappoint you - there was no UN resolution in 1922 and there could not have been one due to the fact that the UN appeared after WWII.

                        You are completely inattentive: we are talking about about 1947, when Palestine was STILL a British mandate. And the resolution from 1947 yearWhat does 1922 have to do with this?
                        https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%BD_%D0%9E%D0%9E%D0%9D_%D0%BF%D0%BE_%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%83_%D0%9F%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%8B
                        Because the Arabs were not represented in the League of Nations and, strictly speaking, no one asked them.
                        That is, the classic: "They married me without me."

                        - And why the hell did the "Arabs of Palestine" suddenly have to be represented in the League of Nations??!
                        The League of Nations (1920–1946) included 63 states at various times, with a maximum membership of 58 (1934–1935). The permanent members of the Council were Great Britain, France, Italy, and Japan; Germany (1926–1933) and the USSR (1934–1939) were temporary members. The United States was not a member of the League, and many countries left before World War II.
                        https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%93%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B4%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B2%D0%B0_%D0%B2_%D1%81%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%B5_%D0%9B%D0%B8%D0%B3%D0%B8_%D0%9D%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D0%B9
                      28. +1
                        April 22 2026 17: 43
                        Quote: Michael1950
                        You're not paying attention at all: we're talking about 1947.

                        You seem to be completely inattentive - the confrontation between Arabs and Jews in Palestine has its roots in 1922.
                        Quote: Michael1950
                        - And why the hell did the "Arabs of Palestine" suddenly have to be represented in the League of Nations??!

                        A "brilliant" thesis. Yes, indeed, why suddenly take into account the interests of some obscure Arabs? There are first-class citizens—the British, the Jews... They'll decide everything, and the Arabs' job is to obey...
                        And you're still unhappy with my comparison of the IDF with the Wehrmacht:))))
                        Quote: Michael1950
                        If you really want to, write an article - "Criticism of the books of Rezun-Suvorov and Mark Solonin" - I would be happy to discuss all this there.

                        Forgive me, but this is such a long-gone era, not just for me but for the vast majority of readers, that such a discussion would be of no interest to anyone. Rezun was torn apart long ago, so dredging up this pile of excrement... I see no point at all.
                        Quote: Michael1950
                        - You didn’t take any tests or exams—to assume that you are a deep expert in Marxism-Leninism and the history of the CPSU is too reckless!

                        And it's not necessary. However, I do have an understanding of these disciplines, as well as an understanding that Marxism-Leninism cannot, in any theory, intersect with Rezun and the like. And this is not a question of ideology or perception—they don't intersect like white and salty. They are simply completely different categories.
                        You are a different matter. If you have been
                        Quote: Michael1950
                        For the last 30 years these have been my "benchmark books".

                        If you didn't understand their obvious falsity, then I can't be surprised that you see connections where there aren't any and can't be any.
                      29. -1
                        April 22 2026 18: 50
                        You seem to be completely inattentive - the confrontation between Arabs and Jews in Palestine has its roots in 1922.

                        - Why did 1922 in particular "stick" in your mind?
                        One Click:
                        The Jewish pogroms in Mandatory Palestine (1920s–1940s) were a series of anti-Jewish protests by the Arab population, sparked by growing Zionist immigration, land disputes, and a struggle for influence. Key events included the 1920 Jerusalem riots, the Hebron massacre (67 killed) and Safed in 1929, and the large-scale Arab revolt of 1936–1939.

                        Key milestones and events:
                        The 1920 riots took place in Jerusalem during the Passover holiday and resulted in the death of five Jews and the injury of more than 200 others.

                        Riots of 1921: Attacks on Jewish neighborhoods began in Jaffa.

                        The Arab Riots of 1929: The bloodiest wave of pogroms. On August 24, 1929, a massacre occurred in Hebron, killing 67 members of the old Jewish community, effectively eliminating the Jewish presence in the city. Pogroms also took place in Safed and other places.

                        Arab Revolt (1936–1939): A period of large-scale Arab uprisings against the British authorities and the Jewish population.

                        Events of the late 1940s: Violence erupted following the UN decision to partition Palestine in 1947, marking the start of the Arab-Israeli War.

                        The pogroms were accompanied by the burning of houses and synagogues and looting, significantly exacerbating interethnic relations in the region.
                        Quote: Michael1950
                        - And why the hell did the "Arabs of Palestine" suddenly have to be represented in the League of Nations??!

                        A "brilliant" thesis. Yes, indeed, why suddenly take into account the interests of some obscure Arabs? There are first-class citizens—the British, the Jews... They'll decide everything, and the Arabs' job is to obey...

                        - It's pure theater of the absurd: why should the Arabs of Palestine suddenly be represented in the League of Nations?! Why not the Arabs of Syria?! Why not the Arabs of Lebanon?! Why not the Arabs of Egypt?? Algeria? Tunisia?? WHY SUDDENLY PALESTINE?! And the Jews of Palestine were represented there, in the League of Nations?? bully And should there have been IN THOSE TIMES?
                        And you're still unhappy with my comparison of the IDF with the Wehrmacht:))))

                        It is disgusting BECAUSE IT IS ABSOLUTELY FALSE. And he only speaks of complete ignorance of the issue. You can't be such a "victim of propaganda"...
                        Forgive me, but this is such a long-gone era, not just for me but for the vast majority of readers, that such a discussion would be of no interest to anyone. Rezun was torn apart long ago, so dredging up this pile of excrement... I see no point at all.

                        "So, on this forum, Roman Skomorokhov tore the entire NATO air force to shreds long ago. And even you managed to completely "crush" the F-22!" laughing tongue There are also tens of millions of people around the world who don't believe that Americans landed on the Moon six times between 1969 and 1972, and that twelve US citizens walked on the Moon... Perhaps the discussion about Rezun-Suvorov can shake some of your internal foundations, fundamental ideas, change your worldview (cause psychological trauma, it’s scary to say! lol ) - that's why it's so undesirable for you?.. laughing
                        And it's not necessary. However, I do have an understanding of these disciplines, as well as an understanding that Marxism-Leninism cannot, in any theory, intersect with Rezun and the like. And this is not a question of ideology or perception—they don't intersect like white and salty. They are simply completely different categories.

                        - Unfortunately, this simply means that you have completely missed the point.
                        If you have been for
                        Quote: Michael1950
                        For the last 30 years these have been my "benchmark books".

                        If you didn't understand their obvious falsity, then I can't be surprised that you see connections where there aren't any and can't be any.

                        Would you risk organizing such a discussion? After ensuring the Administration won't suddenly interrupt it? If you truly want (and aren't afraid) to understand something you haven't yet grasped?
                        But if you prefer to remain captive to your dogmas, or have decided that you ALREADY possess absolute knowledge - well, then of course... wink laughing
                      30. +1
                        April 22 2026 20: 40
                        Quote: Michael1950
                        - Why did 1922 in particular "stick" in your mind?

                        It's very simple. If you remember, you offered me
                        Quote: Michael1950
                        Examples, specific examples, of Israel killing (WITHOUT CAUSE) those people from whom Iran recruited proxies to kill Israelis?

                        And I told you that
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        You know as well as I do where the Arab-Jewish conflict begins. It all began with the immigration of Jews to Palestine, which the Arabs perceived as an encroachment on their ancestral lands. Since then, everyone, Arab or Jew, can rightfully claim that they have never killed Jews/Arabs without cause.

                        So, the beginning of the confrontation was precisely 1922, the first pogroms. That's where it all began, essentially—and then each side could justify its actions by saying we were only killing in retaliation.
                        Quote: Michael1950
                        And even you managed to completely "crush" the F-22!

                        "Not at all!" said the Countess, seeing the member of the Persian king" (c).
                        I've never trashed the F-22 and consider it one of the best fighters in the world, and definitely the best when it was first introduced. But I'm not inclined to ascribe mystical omnipotence to it without documentary evidence. And I did search for it very seriously, digging down to the original source where the ranges of its radar were specified...
                        Quote: Michael1950
                        - It's like a theatre of the absurd: why exactly did the Arabs of PALESTINE have to be represented in the League of Nations?!

                        You're engaging in sophistry right now. Okay, I'll put it bluntly, although it would seem it couldn't get any more blunt.
                        Your reference to the League of Nations is null and void for one simple reason: it decided to establish a Jewish enclave on the territory without consulting or obtaining the consent of the people who inhabited it. This constitutes a gross violation of the rights of this people and leaves them with the right to wage a war of liberation.
                        The League's reasons for acting as it did are perfectly understandable; any other decision would likely have been impossible at the time. But that doesn't make it any more correct.
                        Quote: Michael1950
                        Perhaps a discussion about Rezun-Suvorov could shake some of your inner foundations, fundamental ideas, change your worldview (cause psychological trauma, scary to say! lol) - that's why it's so undesirable for you?.. laughing

                        Unfortunately, it's impossible to inflict psychological trauma on me using such methods. There have been times when I've admitted that some part of my worldview (the Russo-Japanese naval war, for example) was completely flawed. This, admittedly, was before I started writing for VO, but it was there.
                        I am interested in truth, not dogma, so I change my views relatively easily compared to other people, finding them refuted in documents, etc. I have often given refutations to my own articles... Of course, no one enjoys finding out that they were wrong, but, I repeat, I never persist in my errors.
                        Quote: Michael1950
                        - Would you take a risk and try to organize such a discussion?

                        I just don't see the point. I knew the arguments of Rezun's supporters practically by heart back in the day; of course, I might have forgotten some of them now, many years have passed, but still. And in no dispute with his supporters have I ever been defeated in any way.
                        Quote: Michael1950
                        But if you prefer to remain captive to your dogmas, or have decided that you ALREADY possess absolute knowledge

                        So you've decided to goad me like this? :))) Fine. Here's my article, written about 16 years ago (the link is from 23, which is due to the site's move to a new platform, but the comments are from 2010). Defend Solonin, whom I refuted in it. If you succeed, well, maybe the debate really does make sense.
                        https://alternathistory.ru/pochemu-my-proigrali-prigranichnoe-srazhenie-ili-o-chem-ne-pishet-solonin/?ysclid=moabucl676786772437
                        Good luck:))))
                      31. -1
                        April 22 2026 20: 55
                        So, the beginning of the confrontation was precisely 1922, the first pogroms. That's where it all began, essentially—and then each side could justify its actions by saying we were only killing in retaliation.

                        - Where did you get that number? the 1922??

                        Chronology of Jewish pogroms in Mandatory Palestine:

                        Chronology of major anti-Jewish protests:

                        April 1920 years (Jerusalem riots): The first major anti-Jewish protests coincided with the Arab holiday of Nabi Musa. A mob, incited by leaders (Amin al-Husseini and Arif al-Arif), attacked Jews in the Old City of Jerusalem. The riots lasted for several days, with Jewish self-defense ineffective and British troops slow to act.

                        May 1921 years (Jaffa pogroms): The wave of violence began in Jaffa and spread to other areas (Petah Tikva, Hadera, Rehovot). Bloody clashes resulted in numerous casualties on both sides.

                        August 1929 years (mass riots throughout Palestine): The bloodiest wave of violence sparked by disputes over the Western Wall.

                        23 1929 of August: The attacks began in Jerusalem, then pogroms spread to other cities.

                        24 1929 of August (Hebron Pogrom): A brutal massacre in which 67 Jews were killed and the city's Jewish community was destroyed or expelled.

                        29 1929 of August (Tsfat pogrom): An Arab mob attacked the Jewish quarter of Safed, killing about 18-20 people.
                        There were also attacks in Gaza, Haifa and other places.

                        1936-1939 years (Arab Revolt): A period of widespread revolt, characterized by frequent attacks on Jewish settlements, assassinations, road sabotage, and arson.

                        November 1947 years (UN vote riots): After the adoption of the UN Partition Plan for Palestine (November 29, 1947), attacks on Jews began, including a pogrom in Jerusalem (near the Jaffa Gate) and the burning of Jewish neighborhoods, which became the prelude to the First Arab-Israeli War.
                        ===================
                        Where is the "special" year 1922?
                      32. -2
                        April 22 2026 21: 00
                        I've never trashed the F-22 and consider it one of the best fighters in the world, and definitely the best when it was introduced. But I'm not inclined to ascribe mystical omnipotence to it without documentary evidence. And I did search for it very seriously, digging to the original source where the ranges of its radar were specified.

                        "It truly was (and remains to this day) the world's best fighter, since in its very first major exercises it won all air battles with an astronomical score of 144:0, and among its opponents was the absolute world champion in real air combat, the F-15 (104:0). Its radar's detection range for a target with an RCS of 1 square meter is 230 km in normal mode and 194 km in LPI mode.
                      33. -1
                        April 22 2026 21: 19
                        Your reference to the League of Nations is null and void for one simple reason: it decided to establish a Jewish enclave on the territory without consulting or obtaining the consent of the people who inhabited it. This constitutes a gross violation of the rights of this people and leaves them with the right to wage a war of liberation.

                        - You probably don’t know, but the Jewish people continued to live in this territory in the 19th century!
                        The Jewish population of Palestine in the 19th century, known as the "Old Yishuv," grew from approximately 5,000-6,000 in 1800 to over 25,000-30,000 by the 1890s, concentrated primarily in the religious centers of Jerusalem, Safed, Tiberias, and Hebron. The community relied on chaluqa (donations) and, beginning in the 1880s, began to grow with the first wave of Zionist immigration (aliyah).

                        Key demographic and social characteristics:
                        Population: By 1880, the Jewish population of the Ottoman Empire province was 20–25 people.
                        Settlement: The absolute majority lived in the four holy cities: Jerusalem, Safed, Tiberias and Hebron.
                        Composition: At the beginning of the century, Sephardim predominated, but by the end of the century, due to the influx of immigrants from Europe, the majority became Ashkenazi.

                        Life: Jews were primarily engaged in crafts, trade and religious education.

                        Changes at the end of the century: Since 1882 (the beginning of the First Aliyah), the formation of agricultural settlements (Petah Tikva, Rishon LeZion) and an increase in numbers began, reaching almost 50 thousand by the beginning of the 20th century.

                        The "Old Yishuv" (before the 1880s) was closely connected with the diaspora, constantly receiving aid, while the "New Yishuv" (from the 1880s) began to actively develop the land and create an economic base for the future state.
                        ..........................
                        Why did the British have to ask the Arabs for consent to... what?! WHAT did the British create for the Jews in 1920? NOTHINGThe "Treatise of Intentions" in the depths of the British Foreign Office, the "Julfur Declaration." The British gave the Jews some kind of land allotment?! NODid they give them some kind of administrative self-government? NOSo why the hell would some Arabs be outraged and protest—AGAINST WHAT?? The first aliyah to Palestine was in 1882, the subsequent waves of aliyah were completely independent of the British; the only thing the British did was SLOW DOWN the aliyah as much as they could! am And you still continue to defend the rights of the "oppressed" Arabs of Mandatory Palestine to kill Jews?!
                      34. -1
                        April 22 2026 21: 21
                        The League's reasons for acting as it did are perfectly understandable; any other decision would likely have been impossible at the time. But that doesn't make it any more correct.

                        - WHAT doesn't become "more correct"?? The creation of Transjordan by the British?! am
                      35. -1
                        April 22 2026 21: 28
                        I am interested in truth, not dogma, so I change my views relatively easily compared to other people, finding them refuted in documents, etc. I have often given refutations to my own articles... Of course, no one enjoys finding out that they were wrong, but, I repeat, I never persist in my errors.

                        "I assure you: your misconceptions about the works of Rezun-Suvorov are categorically wrong, as are your views on the causes of World War II, its main interest, its main organizer, etc. This is likely the case when you will not be willing to change your views even "under threat of execution"..."
                        And in not a single dispute with his supporters was I defeated in any way.

                        - You simply haven't met a worthy opponent... lol
                        So you've decided to goad me like this? :))) Fine. Here's my article, written about 16 years ago (the link is from 23, which is due to the site's move to a new platform, but the comments are from 2010). Defend Solonin, whom I refuted in it. If you succeed, well, maybe the debate really does make sense.
                        https://alternathistory.ru/pochemu-my-proigrali-prigranichnoe-srazhenie-ili-o-chem-ne-pishet-solonin/?ysclid=moabucl676786772437

                        - Of course, I will read it, but I propose to start not with Solonin, but with Rezun!
                      36. -1
                        April 22 2026 21: 57
                        In your article, you did not provide any conclusions that would even answer the title of the article:
                        Why We Lost the Border Battle, or What Solonin Doesn't Write About
                        So WHY?!

                        Are you familiar with this document?
                        https://heninen.net/sopimus/19411211.htm
                        Thus, with German meticulousness, the number of Soviet prisoners of war on December 1, 1941 is given:
                        As of December 1, the total number of captured Soviet-Russians amounted to 3 806 865 people, destroyed or captured tanks - 21391, guns - 32541 and aircraft - 17332.

                        Why did so many Red Army soldiers fall into German captivity in 5 months and 8 days?
                        This is what Solonin’s book “June 23, Day M” is about.
                        You don't have an answer.
                      37. -1
                        April 22 2026 22: 50
                        To go far:
                        Mark Solonin
                        June 23: "M-Day"

                        https://www.rulit.me/books/23-iyunya-den-m-read-12892-1.html
                      38. +1
                        April 23 2026 00: 18
                        Why did so many Red Army soldiers fall into German captivity in 5 months and 8 days?


                        It feels like you've spent the last 15 years in a bunker. All the problems of the early Great Patriotic War have long been addressed, and, by and large, they boil down to the fact that the size of an army doesn't equal its quality, that's all. Incidentally, the author writes exactly the same thing in this article, only not about the army as a whole, but specifically about the Air Force and Air Defense Forces.
                        Your misconceptions regarding the works of Rezun-Suvorov are categorically erroneous, as are your views on the causes of the Second World War, its main interest, its main organizer, etc.


                        The main interested party and organizer are the US imperialist circles, which is also almost common knowledge. bully
                      39. -1
                        April 23 2026 06: 14
                        It feels like you've spent the last 15 years in a bunker. All the problems of the early Great Patriotic War have long been addressed, and, by and large, they boil down to the fact that the size of an army doesn't equal its quality, that's all. Incidentally, the author writes exactly the same thing in this article, only not about the army as a whole, but specifically about the Air Force and Air Defense Forces.

                        - And this is the reason why the Red Army was so poor in quality that 3,800,000 of its soldiers ended up in German captivity after five months? And then it SUDDENLY improved dramatically in quality?
                        What is the reason?
                        The main interested party and organizer are the US imperialist circles, which is also almost common knowledge.

                        I don't see any US representatives behind Stalin in this photo?! Maybe they're "sitting under the table"?!
                      40. 0
                        April 23 2026 11: 35
                        The reason lies in the quality of command, the balance of the armed forces, and a host of issues related to manning, training, and ensuring coherence. Finally, in strategy—in 41, no one really knew how to stop tank spearheads, and by 45, even the Germans themselves didn't know how. They had no experience defending themselves under such conditions.
                        If these issues are not resolved, then an attempt to build a defense by increasing the number of troops (which is what happened) will only lead to more troops being trapped in cauldrons (which is what happened).

                        Photos and photos, I don’t know why you attach such a sacred meaning to it.
                      41. -1
                        April 23 2026 11: 50
                        The reason lies in the quality of command, the balance of the armed forces, and a host of issues related to manning, training, and ensuring coherence. Finally, in strategy—in 41, no one really knew how to stop tank spearheads, and by 45, even the Germans themselves didn't know how. They had no experience defending themselves under such conditions.

                        - Haven't you read the books by Rezun-Suvorov and Solonin? They explore different cause-and-effect relationships...
                        Photos and photos, I don’t know why you attach such a sacred meaning to it.

                        - There are no US representatives in the photo, neither at the table nor under the table. Blaming them for the causes of World War II in Europe doesn't even qualify as humor...
                      42. +1
                        April 23 2026 12: 59
                        Who knows what connections are being explored there. Rezun poses the question in such a way that it's immediately clear he's a liar, so why delve further into the depths of his mind?

                        There are no US representatives in the photo, neither at the table nor under the table.


                        Is this a photo from the Terrible Conspiracy at the start of WWII? And where are the Masonic symbols, the black rooster and white hen, and the pentagram on the floor? I don't believe it. laughing
                      43. -2
                        April 23 2026 14: 02
                        Who knows what connections are being explored there. Rezun poses the question in such a way that it's immediately clear he's a liar, so why delve further into the depths of his mind?

                        - Try reading it, maybe something will pop into your head? Miracles do happen... wink
                      44. +1
                        April 23 2026 09: 17
                        Quote: Michael1950
                        - I assure you: your misconceptions regarding the works of Rezun-Suvorov are categorically wrong.

                        That's what all the Rezunists said, and the dispute always ended with the standard cry from the heart: "But in the main he's right!" laughing
                        Quote: Michael1950
                        - Of course I'll read it,

                        Thank you
                        Quote: Michael1950
                        but I propose to start not with Solonin, but with Rezun!

                        Regarding Rezun, my articles are currently unavailable; some have perished, not having been transferred from AltHistory, and others have died along with the resources they were hosted on. I had a decent paper on the logical fallacies of Rezun's supporters (their arguments are, in fact, very typical, almost to the level of "if you talk to one, you talk to everyone"), but I can't find it, and it's premature now.
                        That's why I suggested Solonin—there I examine how freely he handles figures, tailoring them to his version of events. At the same time, the article indirectly refutes some of Rezun's assertions (since our troops in the border districts weren't at all prepared for attack). Since Solonin and Rezun are your bedside books and you're confident in what they say, I think you'll have no trouble refuting me.
                      45. -1
                        April 23 2026 00: 13
                        - You probably don’t know, but the Jewish people continued to live in this territory in the 19th century!

                        Your logic is strange. Jewish communities existed for a long time in many countries as national minorities. And, accordingly, they "continued to thrive" there in the 19th and early 20th centuries, and in some places they still do. Even in Spain, despite centuries (!) of persecution. Why should the Palestinians be the ones to bear the brunt?
                        The Jewish population of Palestine in the 19th century, known as the "Old Yishuv," grew from approximately 5,000-6,000 in 1800 to more than 25,000-30,000 by the 1890s.

                        The Jewish (or rather, Judean) population of Poland (for example) was over 2 million at the beginning of the 20th century, and by the start of WWII it had exceeded 3 million, accounting for about 10% of the population. Yet, for some reason, the decision was made to establish a Jewish state not in Poland, but in Palestine. I hope you could explain this paradox.
                        Incidentally, the indigenous Jewish population of Palestine was subjected to cultural assimilation by the newcomers, meaning, by modern standards, their rights were violated just like those of the indigenous Palestinians. It would be very ironic if, in the future, Jews were paying compensation to Jews...
                        In particular, as a result of Zionist policies, the living languages ​​of the Jewish people – Yiddish and Ladino, in which Spinoza once wrote – are in danger of disappearing.
                        Why did the British have to ask the Arabs for consent to... what?!

                        You reason like a colonialist wearing a pith helmet. The British should have asked the Arabs for permission to use Arab territory.
                        WHAT did the British create for the Jews in 1920?? NOTHING.

                        And organizing the relocation of one hundred thousand colonizers – is that nothing?
                        Did the English give the Jews some kind of land allotment?! NO.

                        Let's have the Arabs give the Jews land in Britain instead. And at the same time, give it to the Indians, Australians, Scots, Irish, Zulus, and other peoples who suffered under British colonization. At least here there's justification in the form of suffering under colonization.
                        So why the hell would some Arabs be outraged and protest - AGAINST WHAT??

                        You know, expressions like “some Arabs” when applied to the indigenous population of a colonized country clearly reveal you as a chauvinist.
                      46. -1
                        April 23 2026 06: 31
                        Your logic is strange. Jewish communities existed for a long time in many countries as national minorities. And, accordingly, they "continued to thrive" there in the 19th and early 20th centuries, and in some places they still do. Even in Spain, despite centuries (!) of persecution. Why should the Palestinians be the ones to bear the brunt?

                        - Why do you think they're "taking the rap"? The standard of living for Israeli Arabs ("Palestinians") is higher than in neighboring Jordan, Egypt, or Lebanon. five times! The standard of living of the "occupied" Arabs of Judea and Samaria is three times higher than in the surrounding countries. They all have Jordanian passports and can live there freely. But they categorically refuse— life is worse there! They prefer to exist "under the yoke of the Zionists." Gaza had complete autonomy; they could have built a country like Hong Kong or Singapore. They spent a billion dollars on a network of underground tunnels, missiles, and other weapons. And then they ATTACKED ISRAEL. And received a corresponding RESPONSE.
                        The Jewish (or rather, Judean) population of Poland (for example) was over 2 million at the beginning of the 20th century, and by the start of WWII it had exceeded 3 million, accounting for about 10% of the population. Yet, for some reason, the decision was made to establish a Jewish state not in Poland, but in Palestine. I hope you could explain this paradox.

                        "Because the Jewish state around Jerusalem existed for approximately 1500 years, with a 70-year hiatus. One and a half times longer than Russia has existed since the era of Kievan Rus'. And you didn't know that?"
                        And by the way, the indigenous Jewish population of Palestine was subjected to cultural assimilation by the newcomers, i.e., according to modern concepts, their rights were violated in the same way as the rights of the indigenous Palestinians.

                        - Well, yes, the aliens taught the native Jews to dance the Charleston! And thus destroyed their centuries-old cultural foundations!
                        In particular, as a result of Zionist policies, the living languages ​​of the Jewish people – Yiddish and Ladino, in which Spinoza once wrote – are in danger of disappearing.

                        - Aren't you too bothered by the reform of the Russian language, which was written in the 19th century?
                      47. -1
                        April 23 2026 06: 57
                        Why did the British have to ask the Arabs for consent to... what?!

                        You reason like a colonialist wearing a pith helmet. The British should have asked the Arabs for permission to use Arab territory.

                        - This territory was not ARAB. Until the end of the First World War, it was TURKISH. Then, by decision of the League of Nations, it became Palestine under the British MandateAre you looking up the word "Arabic" somewhere?!
                        WHAT did the British create for the Jews in 1920?? NOTHING.

                        And organizing the relocation of one hundred thousand colonizers – is that nothing?

                        - What the hell is "moving organization"? The British never "organized" it.On the contrary, they restrained it with all their might, including armed forces!
                        Did the British give the Jews some kind of land allotment?! NO.

                        Let's have the Arabs give the Jews land in Britain instead. And at the same time, give it to the Indians, Australians, Scots, Irish, Zulus, and other peoples who suffered under British colonization. At least here there's justification in the form of suffering under colonization.

                        - Former natives of the British colonial empire have today "slid" to the positions of Prime Minister of Britain, Mayor of London, etc.
                        So why the hell would some Arabs be outraged and protest - AGAINST WHAT??

                        You know, expressions like “some Arabs” when applied to the indigenous population of a colonized country clearly reveal you as a chauvinist.

                        - From the point of view of the English administration those same Arabs were on the territory of Palestine precisely "some" — And what does the League of Nations have to do with this? Mandatory Palestine itself wasn't a member of the League of Nations in any way—Great Britain was! On whose empire did the sun "never set" at that time?
                      48. 0
                        April 23 2026 12: 09
                        The standard of living of the Arabs of Israel ("Palestinians") is five times higher than in neighboring Jordan, Egypt or Lebanon!

                        Is the standard of living in the Gaza Strip five times higher than in Jordan? I wonder what the per capita consumption of aerial bombs, including delivery, is based on?
                        There was complete autonomy in Gaza.

                        So does Israel recognize Gaza as part of its territory or not?
                        They could have built a country like Hong Kong or Singapore.

                        Or rather, they could have, if not for the blockade and the walls, right? Or even more accurately, if we draw an analogy with Hong Kong and Singapore, parasites on China, what if Israeli Jews lived in poverty, working for a bowl of rice a day under a semi-blockade, and all trade went through Gaza?
                        They spent a billion dollars on a network of underground tunnels, missiles, and other weapons. And then they ATTACKED ISRAEL.

                        I can imagine the German Gauleiter describing the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising and the subsequent punitive actions in similar terms in 43. Doesn't that bother you?
                        And received accordingly in RESPONSE.

                        How can I explain it to you more gently? In the modern world, the idea of ​​collective, indiscriminate responsibility doesn't sit well with human rights. Such ideas were last promoted by guys in brown and black shirts with swastikas on their sleeves. And you're still offended by the comparison to the SS. If "they" "attacked Israel" (is Gaza part of Israel or not?!), then the police should have arrested the instigators and perpetrators and tried them. Even the death penalty, if, of course, it had been provided for by law in advance and not imposed after the fact. As is customary in all civilized countries. Not counting, of course, cases that would allow for an analogy with the Nuremberg Tribunal.
                        - Because the Jewish state around Jerusalem existed for about 1500 years.

                        Firstly, by the 20th century, Palestinians had already lived on this land for 1500 years. Who knows what happened there in the past.
                        Secondly, where did you get this information about a Jewish state on the site of modern-day Jerusalem? From religious myths? It's a matter of religion, a matter of faith. Who knows what people believe. For example, there are people who believe in the moon landing conspiracy, haha. And then there are people who believe that a Jewish state shouldn't be re-established until the coming of the Messiah.
                        One and a half times longer than Russia has existed since the era of Kievan Rus.

                        Are you implying that if Kievan Rus existed around Kyiv, then modern Russia has a historical right to reoccupy this territory?
                        - Well, yes, the aliens taught the native Jews to dance the Charleston! And thus destroyed their centuries-old cultural foundations!

                        If you were to make jokes like that about Africans and jazz in the US, you'd be out of work, but in debt.
                        - Aren't you too bothered by the reform of the Russian language, which was written in the 19th century?

                        This is a reform of the language, not its actual destruction.
                      49. -1
                        April 23 2026 13: 08
                        Is the standard of living in the Gaza Strip 5 times higher than in Jordan?

                        Stop playing the fool? BEFORE Hamas attacked Israel and started a stupid war.
                        So does Israel recognize Gaza as part of its territory or not?

                        - NO. He recognizes it as territory seized by a terrorist organization that has set its sights on Israel's destruction and is actively working toward that goal.
                        They could have built a country like Hong Kong or Singapore.

                        More precisely, they could have, if not for the blockade and the walls, right?

                        - But the blockade and the walls weren't built out of joy. They were built to protect us from bandits who were determined to destroy us.
                        Or rather, if we were to draw an analogy with Hong Kong and Singapore, which were parasites on China, what if Israeli Jews lived in poverty and worked for a bowl of rice a day under a semi-blockade, and all trade went through Gaza?

                        - Gaza could wonderfully and magnificently "parasitize" Israel and "roll in clover" - Hong Kong and Singapore are also excellent "parasitizers" on the new China, where the average citizen doesn't live on two cups of rice a day... For 45 years now, China has been on the rise, practically uncontrollably...
                        I can imagine the German Gauleiter describing the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising and the subsequent punitive actions in similar terms in 43. Doesn't that bother you?

                        - After yours "national liberation war against the Ukrainian Nazis", which has been going on since 2014, absolutely nothing you say can embarrass me. Especially talk of "international treaties," "human rights," "humanism," and so on—absolutely nothing. Just like your next ridiculous passage:
                        How can I explain it to you more gently? In the modern world, the idea of ​​collective, indiscriminate responsibility doesn't sit well with human rights. Such ideas were last promoted by guys in brown and black shirts with swastikas on their sleeves. And you're still offended by the comparison to the SS. If "they" "attacked Israel" (is Gaza part of Israel or not?!), then the police should have arrested the instigators and perpetrators and tried them. Even the death penalty, if, of course, it had been provided for by law in advance and not imposed after the fact. As is customary in all civilized countries. Not counting, of course, cases that would allow for an analogy with the Nuremberg Tribunal.

                        They would also advise arresting the Hezbollah leadership, the Yemeni Houthis, and, to be on the safe side, the entire Iranian synod and the IRGC generals.
                        - Because the Jewish state around Jerusalem existed for about 1500 years.
                        Firstly, by the 20th century, Palestinians had already lived on this land for 1500 years.
                        .

                        Arabs. But there were Jews too.
                        Who knows what happened there in the past.

                        Are you only interested in Russian history? The history of other places on the globe exists too!
                        Secondly, where did you get this information about a Jewish state on the site of modern-day Jerusalem? From religious myths? It's a matter of religion, a matter of faith. Who knows what people believe.

                        - From archeology, there is such a science, oddly enough! Haven't heard of it?! But it does exist... And writing was actually created in Rus' by Cyril and Methodius in 863 (having even borrowed two letters from Hebrew, צ и ש, in other parts of the world in some places it existed before! tongue
                        One and a half times longer than Russia has existed since the era of Kievan Rus.

                        Are you implying that if Kievan Rus existed around Kyiv, then modern Russia has a historical right to reoccupy this territory?

                        - Or, on the contrary, the people of Kiev will restore their original Rus... laughing
                        - Aren't you too bothered by the reform of the Russian language, which was written in the 19th century?

                        This is a reform of the language, not its actual destruction.

                        Before Russia seized Crimea and unleashed a bloody massacre in Donbas, there was no talk of oppression or banning the Russian language in Ukraine! There were television and radio channels, hundreds of print publications, and full education in Russian in schools... The main killer of the Russian language in Ukraine was the Russian intervention.And you didn't know until now? If it hadn't happened, absolutely nothing would have happened to the Russian language there.
                      50. +1
                        April 23 2026 07: 48
                        Quote: Michael1950
                        April 1920 years

                        Please, let it be the 20th. No questions, you've convinced me. What difference does that make? :))))
                      51. 0
                        April 23 2026 08: 30
                        Absolutely nothing. The eternal desire of Muslims to oppress everyone else, and to kill those who do not agree to bend overBut the Jews on this part of the land suffered a major setback in the 20th century...
                      52. +1
                        April 23 2026 09: 08
                        Quote: Michael1950
                        Absolutely nothing.

                        Exactly. Accordingly, we now have more than 100 years of history in which a Jew who kills an Arab, and an Arab who kills a Jew, can rightfully claim, "He started it!"
                      53. -1
                        April 23 2026 09: 16
                        Accordingly, we already have more than 100 years of history in which a Jew who kills an Arab and an Arab who kills a Jew can rightfully say, "He started it!"

                        - Stop engaging in ridiculous demagoguery: I gave you a HALF-CENTURY list of pogroms by ARABS against JEWS! It's always the ARABS there. WE STARTED KILL THE JEWS! Not the other way around! am The Jews were never the FIRST to start killing Arabs.
                        But you, as a true modern Russian philosopher, assert that “this is completely monopenisual”!
                      54. +1
                        April 23 2026 09: 22
                        Quote: Michael1950
                        - Stop engaging in ridiculous demagogy: I have given you a HALF-CENTURY list of pogroms against the ARABS - JEWS!

                        Because those Jews occupied land previously inhabited by Arabs. Because no one asked the Arabs whether they wanted a strong Jewish community to emerge on their land. The land was purchased, yes, but the landowners could in no way be considered authorized representatives of the Arab people of Palestine, expressing the opinion of that people.
                        Honestly, I would look at the Jews who were visited in the same way by representatives of another faith.
                      55. -1
                        April 23 2026 09: 50
                        Because those Jews occupied the land that was previously inhabited by Arabs.

                        - NO. They BOUGHT land—first in the Turkish Empire, then in the British Mandate.
                        Because no one asked the Arabs whether they wanted a strong Jewish community to emerge on their land.

                        "Let's say you live in an apartment, and on your landing, where four apartments open out, three apartments are bought by Chechens?! And no one asked you whether you liked it or not—what would you do? Would you be angry that no one asked you?"
                        The land was purchased, yes, but the landowners could in no way be considered as authorized representatives of the Arab people of Palestine, expressing the opinion of that people.

                        What the — "it"?! These Arabs aren't even a separate ethnic group!
                        See above - why the hell should anyone ask the neighboring Arabs anything? The Arab ethnic group owns 14 million square kilometers of the globe, a territory of 700 (seven hundred) times larger than Israel's territory. They all call themselves a single Arab nation, led by the League of Arab States.
                        Honestly, I would look at the Jews who were visited in the same way by representatives of another faith.

                        Jews "moved in" to a tiny fraction of the 14 million square kilometers captured by the Arabs! In 1913, Haifa's Arab population was approximately one thousand—a fishing village on the seashore. Today, there are around 60 of them—doctors, engineers, university professors... If you try to suggest, in a completely private and confidential manner, that the Jewish government in Israel be replaced by an Arab government, and that "the Jews should all go back to where they came from," those who are smarter will categorically reject such a plan! THEY WON'T WANT TO LIVE LIKE THE ARABS IN THE NEIGHBORING ARAB COUNTRIES!! They really, really like the life that is organized in Israel by Jews – and of course, for Arabs as well!
                      56. +1
                        April 23 2026 10: 49
                        Quote: Michael1950
                        - NO. They BOUGHT land—first in the Turkish Empire, then in the British Mandate.

                        Uh-huh. And where did the Arab tenants go from the lands bought by the Jews?
                        Quote: Michael1950
                        "Let's say you live in an apartment, and on your landing, where four apartments open out, three apartments are bought by Chechens?! And no one asked you whether you liked it or not—what would you do? Would you be angry that no one asked you?"

                        Your reasoning is flawed. I won't like it, but I'll have to accept it because I have no rights to these apartments and I've never lived in them. They're not mine; strangers have always lived there.
                        The Arabs actually lived in the territories of the future Israel, and then they began to throw them out of there.
                        Quote: Michael1950
                        What "this"?! These Arabs aren't even a separate ethnic group!

                        They are the indigenous population of Palestine, and your chauvinism... is quite revealing.
                        The fact is, Arabs lived on the land of the future Israel. Yes, they often lived not on their own land, but on land rented from other Arabs. And then they began to be thrown out.
                        You justify this by claiming that the eviction was legal because the land was legally purchased from wealthy Arabs. But modern law disagrees with you—such issues can only be resolved through a referendum among the indigenous population.
                        That's precisely why I write that the League of Nations couldn't have acted differently—in those years, no one would have dreamed of holding any kind of referendum among any Arabs. That's true. But a historical injustice against the Arabs had been committed—and since that was the case, they had every right to protest against it. They knew only one form of protest—and, strictly speaking, even if they were every other Einstein, they had no legal way to protest the deportation of the Jews.
                        Yes, they started the pogroms, but they were left with no choice - this was the only way they could defend their rights.
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                      60. +1
                        April 22 2026 23: 39
                        It's like a theatre of the absurd: why exactly did the Arabs of PALESTINE have to be represented in the League of Nations?!
                        …And were the Jews of PALESTINE represented there, in the League of Nations??

                        You're at the theater of the absurd. To use your language, it's easy to Google that the sharp increase in the Jewish population in Palestine began after the British Mandate for Palestine came into effect in 1923, when 100 Jewish immigrants arrived in 10 years, doubling the pre-WWI Jewish population. This, incidentally, explains all the excesses among the local population. Accordingly, it's completely unclear why newcomers, who have absolutely no connection to the territory, should be represented in the League of Nations, while the indigenous population is not. Not to mention, of course, the unadulterated chauvinism toward the indigenous population.
                        And you're still unhappy with my comparison of the IDF with the Wehrmacht:))))

                        It is disgusting BECAUSE IT IS ABSOLUTELY FALSE

                        You need to answer just one question: do the Israeli authorities recognize the Gaza Strip as a separate state or not? If they don't, then what is the basis for the systematic discrimination against the indigenous Palestinian population, who should, in theory, enjoy all the same rights as the Jewish population (especially without touching on the legality of the Jewish population's presence on foreign soil). If they do, then where is the respect for the laws and customs of war?
                        There are also tens of millions of people around the world who don't believe that Americans landed on the Moon six times between 1969 and 1972, and that twelve US citizens walked on the Moon...

                        Faith is a matter of religion. For example, there are hundreds of millions of people who believe that the modern city called "Jerusalem" has some connection to the biblical city of the same name. Other than in name. And there are hundreds of millions of people who don't believe in the biblical events at all. So the question of "faith" in Americans on the Moon is really a matter of scientifically proven evidence. If there's evidence that people were there, then you're welcome. The same applies to evidence regarding the identity of two cities named "Jerusalem."
                        Possibly a discussion about Rezun-Suvorov

                        You know, in the 21st century, citing Rezun and Solonin on historical issues is, to put it mildly, bad form. (And these people also say something about the Moon.) laughing ).
                      61. -1
                        April 23 2026 07: 09
                        The Jewish population in Palestine began to grow rapidly after the British Mandate for Palestine came into force in 1923, when 100 Jewish immigrants arrived there in 10 years, doubling the pre-WWI Jewish population.

                        And how did this impact the lives of the "native" population?! Definitely a good thing: With the arrival of the Jews, life here began to flourish, work and earnings appeared! And Arabs from all the surrounding countries flocked here—specifically in search of work. And they, too, became "natives"! laughing
                        Accordingly, it's completely unclear why newcomers, who have absolutely no connection to a given territory, should be represented in the League of Nations, while the indigenous population is not. Apart, of course, from the sheer chauvinism toward the indigenous population.

                        What do you mean, "not related"?! If a Russian born in Uzbekistan or Kyrgyzstan comes to Russia today, is he considered "not related" to it, even if his mother and father, and both grandparents, were born in Uzbekistan or Kyrgyzstan?!
                        But no one invited the Jews of that time, just like the Arabs of that time, to the League of Nations!
                        You only need to answer one question: do the Israeli authorities recognize the Gaza Strip as a separate state or not.

                        - No, of course not. Russia doesn't recognize the Komi-Permyak Autonomous Okrug as a "separate state," does it? Or does it? Or even Yakutia? What if even the Yakuts unanimously demand that Yakutia be recognized as a state?!
                        If they don’t recognize it, then what is the reason for the systematic discrimination against the indigenous Palestinian population, which should, in theory, enjoy all the same rights as the Jewish population?

                        More than two million Israeli citizens enjoy absolutely the same rights as Israeli Jews, Israeli Russians, or any other nationality or ethnic group that is a citizen of Israel. The Arabs of Gaza are not citizens of Israel, just as the Arabs of Judea and Samaria are not.
                        Possibly a discussion about Rezun-Suvorov

                        You know, in the 21st century, citing Rezun and Solonin on historical issues is, to put it mildly, bad form. (And these people also say something about the Moon laughing ).

                        - About 300 years ago, all modern ideas about the structure of even the solar system were considered bad form, not to mention anything further!
                        It's just that it's very harmful for modern Russian citizens to know the real history of Russia.They even turned off YouTube so that, God forbid, they wouldn’t find out anything unnecessary!
  24. 0
    April 21 2026 10: 51
    But here's the interesting part: what would have happened if the Russian Federation's leadership, instead of assessing the risks to Russia, had launched a strike on the territory of Poland and other countries assisting Ukraine? What if the Russian Armed Forces had started shooting down planes and sinking ships carrying military aid to Zelenskyy and Co.? What if our country, like Iran today, hadn't calculated the consequences of its actions but had carried them out, forcing NATO to calculate the risks of its decisions? After which, not the Russian leadership, but the US and the West would be faced with the question: are they ready to continue? Are they ready to attack a nuclear power capable of wiping out any single European country or driving the US back to the Stone Age in 25-40 minutes?

    For me personally, the answer is now completely obvious.

    - Can you reveal this answer?! Are you serious? Without fantasizing, what it might actually be like the West's response, and especially the US's?!
    There's talk here about Russia possibly starting a "hybrid war" with the West—it's sort of like a war, but at the same time, it's sort of not a war, troops aren't crossing the border—but all sorts of minor breakdowns and absurdities start happening in Lithuania, Latvia, or Estonia—either all the ATMs are out of order, or the electricity in various major cities is suddenly cut off, or the traffic lights on the streets are flashing out of sync, causing a ton of traffic accidents, and so on and so forth.
    Just imagine this: Russian submarines start disappearing from the oceans, first - "SHE DROWNED," then another one - "SHE DROWNED," and so on... Then Russian planes start falling - and it's completely unclear why! "Can you prove it?!" And you can get not hundreds, but tens of thousands of such hybrid abominations!
    ...........................
    I am "fantasizing" as a responsible officer of the Russian General Staff would fantasize on behalf of the Kremlin leadership... — WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF WE DO THIS AND THIS?
    The most respectable public will now "pelt me ​​with stools, galoshes, and shit" - for an unenthusiastic way of thinking... No.
    1. +1
      April 21 2026 11: 20
      Quote: Michael1950
      - Can you reveal this answer?! Seriously? Without even imagining what the West's, and especially the US's, response might actually be?!

      We are already seeing the most "real" US response to Iran.
      1. 0
        April 21 2026 11: 37
        Then why are you surprised by the Russian leadership’s reluctance to find itself in a situation similar to Iran?
        You understand, right? Taking Avdiivka in two years couldn't inspire the Kremlin to march to the English Channel. They have neither the strength nor the resources...
        1. +1
          April 21 2026 11: 47
          Quote: Michael1950
          Then why are you surprised by the Russian leadership’s reluctance to find itself in a situation similar to Iran?

          So Iran is winning for now:)))))) The Russian leadership's reluctance to win would seem strange, don't you think?
          1. +1
            April 21 2026 12: 05
            So Iran is winning for now...

            - Are you serious??
            1. +1
              April 21 2026 12: 23
              Quote: Michael1950
              - Are you serious??

              What, are you even going to dispute this? laughing
              1. +1
                April 21 2026 12: 35
                I don't have enough sense of humor for this! laughing lol
                "Still alive means you won!"
                1. +3
                  April 21 2026 14: 16
                  Quote: Michael1950
                  "Still alive means you won!"

                  Yes, it is still alive, still blocking Hormuz, still setting conditions in negotiations that the US was FORCED to accept....
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                    April 21 2026 14: 50
                    which the USA was FORCED to do.

                    - Do you remember these 10 points of Iran's demands? WHICH POINT DID THE US ACCEPT?

                    Iran's 10-point plan to the United States, presented in April 2026, outlines strategic demands for ending the conflict, including the complete lifting of sanctions, the withdrawal of US troops from the region, and recognition of uranium enrichment rights. These conditions, communicated through intermediaries, encompass financial, military, and geopolitical aspects aimed at strengthening Iran's position in the Middle East.

                    The main points of Iran's demands:
                    1. Complete lifting of primary and secondary sanctions: Removal of restrictions on banking operations, trade and sale of oil.
                    2. US Troop Withdrawal: Withdrawal of US military bases and personnel from countries in the region.
                    3. Recognition of uranium enrichment rights: US consent to Iran's nuclear program in its current form.
                    4. Security Assurances: Legal obligations of the United States not to take military action against Iran.
                    5. Compensation for damages: Payment by the United States of compensation for economic damage caused by sanctions.
                    6. Control over the Strait of Hormuz: Securing Iran's dominance in the Persian Gulf region.
                    7. Ending Support for Regional Adversaries: Stopping US aid to countries hostile to Iran.
                    8. Lifting restrictions on the IRGC: Removing the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps from the list of terrorist organizations.
                    9. Unblocking Iranian assets: Return of funds frozen abroad.
                    10. End political pressure: Stop trying to change the regime in Tehran.

                    Despite the list being handed over, the Trump administration at the time declared a "complete rejection" of the demands, calling them excessive.
                    1. +1
                      April 21 2026 15: 31
                      Quote: Michael1950
                      Do you remember these 10 points of Iran's demands? WHICH POINT DID THE US ACCEPT?

                      After rereading my message, I realized that it was ambiguous.
                      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                      still sets conditions in negotiations that the US was FORCED to accept.

                      What I meant was that the US was forced to negotiate. I didn't mean that Iran forced the US to accept its peace terms.
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                        April 21 2026 17: 02
                        - Let's wait until the end of the "negotiations"... am

                        Statements by Iranian leaders about the need to destroy Israel have been part of the official ideology of the Islamic Republic since the 1979 revolution. Iranian leaders regularly question the legitimacy of the State of Israel, calling it a "Zionist regime" and predicting its demise.

                        The main aspects and examples of such rhetoric:
                        The founder of the Islamic Revolution, Ayatollah Khomeini, set the tone for relations by calling Israel a "cancer" in the Middle East that needed to be removed.

                        Mahmoud Ahmadinejad (President of Iran 2005–2013): In 2005, at the “World Without Zionism” conference, he called for “wiping Israel off the map.”

                        Ali Khamenei (Iran's Supreme Leader): Regularly refers to Israel as a "Zionist regime" that is "doomed to destruction." He has also described Israel as a "malignant cancer" that will certainly be eradicated and destroyed.

                        Hassan Rouhani (President of Iran 2013–2021): Despite his image as a more moderate politician, he called for a fight against Israel, calling it a "wound on the body of the Islamic world."

                        Contemporary Rhetoric: In 2024, as the conflict escalates, Iran's top leadership continues to threaten "painful" retaliatory measures and predict Israel's collapse.

                        Features of rhetoric:
                        Iranian authorities often claim that they are not threatening Jews as a people, but rather opposing the "Zionist regime" as a political entity. However, this rhetoric is accompanied by support for anti-Israel groups (Hamas, Hezbollah) and the development of a missile program aimed at attacking Israel.

                        At the same time, some officials (such as former Foreign Minister Javad Zarif) attempted to interpret these statements as political non-recognition rather than a literal call for genocide, which contradicts the general tone of statements by the Supreme Leader and the IRGC (Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps).

                        https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%87%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D0%98%D0%B7%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B8%D0%BB%D1%8F_%D0%B2_%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B5
                      2. +2
                        April 21 2026 17: 50
                        Quote: Michael1950
                        Statements by Iranian leaders

                        Iran looks like an angel in the photo of what Israel is doing: genocide of the Arab population, destruction of entire cities, seizure of territories, endless aggression
  25. 0
    April 21 2026 11: 13
    To date, no effective countermeasures have been found against either battlefield UAVs or unmanned aerial vehicles like the Geranium, which are designed to strike behind enemy lines.

    Andrey, Israel was very successful in combating Iranian Shahed drones, both in last year's 12-day war and in this 39-day war, when HUNDREDS of them were launched into Israeli territory (and are now being launched by the dozens by Hezbollah). Israel has existing countermeasures and will have very promising ones in the future. And no one here is planning to spend seven missiles, each costing several million dollars, on a single drone, as the trillionaires from the Gulf monarchies recently did. lol
    But from the battlefield UAV, especially those controlled by fiber optic communications, there really are still serious problems and they haven't been resolved yet...
    1. +3
      April 21 2026 11: 20
      Quote: Michael1950
      Andrey, Israel was very successful in fighting Iranian Shahed-type UAVs both in the 12-day war last year and in this 39-day war

      Who would doubt that laughing And all those photos of destruction in Israel are AI Photoshop:)))
      1. 0
        April 21 2026 11: 40
        No, the photos of the destruction are real. Just like the 29 killed last year and about 40 in the current war. It's war, after all. They say Russia lost over ONE MILLION people killed in the Northeast Asian War—what a war, what losses.
        1. +1
          April 21 2026 11: 46
          Quote: Michael1950
          Well, this is war.

          Of course. Moreover, in this war in 2025, Israel received considerable assistance from other countries in terms of its air defense, while in 2026, Iran did not focus seriously on Israel.
          Quote: Michael1950
          They say that Russia lost more than ONE MILLION people killed in the SVO,

          Unfortunately, it's impossible to establish even an approximate casualty figure. I believe the losses are in the hundreds of thousands. But what does this have to do with Israel's air defenses? Our losses are on the battlefield; few people are killed by drone strikes in the rear.
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            April 21 2026 12: 04
            and in 2026 Iran was not seriously focused on Israel.
            [/ Quote]
            - Of course I did! It's just that Israel's missile defense system didn't give Iran the same psychological pressure it could have had against the Gulf Arab monarchies, which had never seriously considered their own missile defense.
            [quote]Our losses are on the battlefield; few people are killed by drone strikes in the rear.

            - So in Israel, the overwhelming majority of deaths are not from UAVs at all, but from large ballistic missiles... This is a medical fact...
            1. 0
              April 21 2026 12: 24
              Quote: Michael1950
              - So in Israel, the overwhelming majority of deaths are not from UAVs at all, but from large ballistic missiles... This is a medical fact.

              And if the air defenses had not overloaded the UAVs, then significantly fewer missiles could have reached them.
              1. 0
                April 21 2026 12: 54
                No, of course not. Ballistic missiles are monitored, tracked, and directed by interceptors using completely different radars and weapons than those used by UAVs. They do not influence each other and do not interfere with each other., although, of course, both require material resources and finances, and hundreds of people are involved...
                Ballistic missiles are first countered by the Hetz-3 missiles in deep space, followed by the Hetz-2, and even lower by the David's Sling. The Iron Dome can knock down any debris and debris (if necessary). These are detected and pre-targeted by the huge Green Pine radars and similar systems. There was a good article here:
                https://topwar.ru/267122-izrailskie-sistemy-pvo-i-pro-zadejstvovannye-v-otrazhenii-iranskih-udarov-i-analiz-ih-jeffektivnosti.html
                The only thing is, the Iron Dome, a short-range air defense system, can be used in both. And, of course, its radar and the David's Sling radar are the same type—the EL/M-2084, a truly remarkable radar. It's also used in the Spider air defense system, which for many years was exclusively marketed for export, but a year ago they decided to add it to their own air defense system. The Iron Beam system, a laser system primarily aimed at UAVs, was recently introduced, an experimental system; there aren't many of them yet.
                UAVs are primarily pursued by fighter jets and helicopters; AWACS aircraft are used to detect them, as they can see them from very far away despite the UAVs flying at extremely low altitudes, with interceptors subsequently targeting them.
                The Patriot air defense system has been removed from Israel and replaced by the David's Sling.
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                  April 21 2026 13: 03
                  The problem is that UAVs typically have a very small radar cross-section, are mostly made of carbon fiber, and tend to fly as low as possible, so terrain makes tracking them difficult. But the powerful radars of AWACS aircraft detect them perfectly close to the ground, and, as I already said, the EL/M-2084 is a real gem! It can track 1100 targets simultaneously.
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                    April 21 2026 14: 14
                    Quote: Michael1950
                    They do not influence each other and do not interfere with each other.

                    In some ideal-theoretical world, in which, alas, wars probably do not exist
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                      April 21 2026 14: 44
                      In the very thing that is not real.
  26. -1
    April 22 2026 10: 56
    Regarding the nonsense in the article's table of contents in the news list. Iran wasn't planning anything at all. It didn't need a war at all. This is all Trump and his logic. Bombing what wasn't in Iran was the goal, but rather for Iran to destroy all US bases in the region so that it would have less to export and everything there wouldn't end up in the hands of the locals. Iran needed to close the strait and destroy oil production and refining in the region so that oil and petroleum products wouldn't be shipped to China and Europe. To raise prices on everything to promote US goods first and foremost. To make it profitable to produce many goods in the US. Arms spending will also create jobs in the US. The US needs to write off its debts. It's cheaper to burn everything it owned at its bases. It's also profitable for the US to redirect cash flows from insurance. Corporations need to move money out of the Middle East. Iran doesn't care about any of this. Well, the Europeans will leave. All chemical production will be destroyed. Israel will be faced with a sea of ​​starving people who will help wipe out Israel. The result will be several million deaths from starvation, where there will be no desalination plants, no fertilizer to grow normal crops. Iran doesn't need this at all. This will destroy the entire global economic model. Global transportation will come to a standstill. It will be more profitable to buy in bulk and produce everything domestically. Oil and gas from Russia will be more expensive than other brands because delivery will be more stable and supply will not fall. Restoring production and processing, as in other countries, will take years. And securing sea routes requires time and money. And the US and Europe simply don't have the money for this. Producing weapons requires time and money, which they don't have. A crisis and famine looming on a scale that will surpass not one but several of the past years. We won't need to import food – the selection will simply change for some. There's always room to plant potatoes – there are plenty of abandoned fields. We need to build cellars and warehouses for everyone to store their food. City dwellers will finally understand that without a village or a garden, they'll have nothing to eat.
    1. +2
      April 25 2026 13: 05
      Quote: Victor Alien
      Regarding the nonsense in the article's heading in the news list: Iran wasn't planning anything at all.

      Regarding the nonsense in the comments. Where did you get the idea that Iran was plotting anything? It says Iran started the mess, but the fact that your brain has morphed this into Iran starting a war isn't the problem with the article's title, it's with your brain.