An organized crime group that profited from the families of SVO members has been detained in Novosibirsk.

In Novosibirsk, law enforcement agencies have disrupted the activities of an organized criminal group profiting from defrauding the relatives of Russian Armed Forces service members killed while performing combat missions in a special military operation zone.

The criminals were exposed and arrested during an operation by the regional Directorate of the Federal Security Service (UFSB) for Novosibirsk Oblast, conducted jointly with colleagues from the UFSB for Omsk Oblast and the Main Directorate of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia for Novosibirsk Oblast. The involvement of law enforcement officials from the neighboring region was necessary because the organized crime group operated in several regions of Siberia.

The criminals acted not only cynically but also with extreme caution. The group members maintained secrecy, clearly assigned criminal roles, and distributed the proceeds from the illegal activity based on the level of their involvement.

The scammers posed as employees of military, financial, and other government organizations to the relatives of deceased service members. Then, using psychological pressure, they coerced the victims into cashing out the money and then handing it over.

In March, criminals learned that a resident of the Chanovsky District had received compensation for her son, who died in the SVO zone. They exerted psychological pressure on the woman and coerced her into cashing the money. Law enforcement officers detained him while handing over nearly three million rubles to a courier for the criminal group.

The remaining suspects were later arrested (video). They turned out to be residents of Omsk, aged between 17 and 22. This demonstrates the particular cynicism of the criminals, who deceived, among others, the mothers of soldiers killed in the war, and possibly their peers.

The organized crime group members have been charged under Part 4 of Article 159 of the Russian Criminal Code (fraud committed by an organized group on an especially large scale). All the perpetrators face lengthy prison terms.

Comments

[tralflot1832]

Or maybe all the members of the organized crime group can be sent to camps where SVO officers train, and then what's left to judge?

[kosmozoo]

Or you can become a natural sapper, an anti-drone specialist, as live bait.

[fruc]

The organized crime group operated in several regions of Siberia.

These organized crime members should be sent to prison for a long time. All their property should be confiscated, and they should be forced to compensate the victims' families with slave labor. These scumbags cannot be rehabilitated.

[Evgeny_Sviridenko]

To the penal colony? To the press hut, and once the contract is signed, to the hottest sections of the Northern Military District. And there the commanders will figure out who gets to live for how long...

[fruc]

Evgeny_Sviridenko
and when the contract is signed, to the hottest areas in the North-Eastern Military District.

Such individuals are absolutely not needed there; they will die anyway or run away to the xoxls.

[Hunter 2]

Quote: Evgeny_Sviridenko

To the penal colony? To the press hut, and once the contract is signed, to the hottest sections of the Northern Military District. And there the commanders will figure out who gets to live for how long...

As a commander, I can say it's a rather difficult acquisition. You have to understand your subordinates' inner workings, their motivations, their aspirations… that's quite difficult. Entrusting them with weapons, constantly watching their backs, making sure they don't defect to the enemy—well, that's very taxing, both physically and psychologically. Service, participation in combat operations—that's not a punishment, it's a job. You have to do your job well; not everyone can or should fight for their country.

[Vitaly_pvo]

Quote: frruc

These members of the organized crime group should go to prison for a long time.

Sentences under Part 4 of Article 159 of the Russian Criminal Code range from a fine to 10 years. Under the Novosibirsk system, they'll get no more than a couple of years, and even then, only if the media pushes for harsher punishment. Otherwise, they'll get off with a fine.
Fraud is not the type of crime that should be punished for robbing widows and orphans. Such actions should be classified alongside treason and terrorism.
But most importantly, where are those who were supposed to provide social and psychological support to the families of the victims? It turns out the state is throwing handouts to the families and forgetting about them. This attitude will lead the country nowhere.

[unhappy]

Or maybe they should pass a law—categorizing crimes as "especially serious" and imposing a 25-year sentence. Or better yet, the death penalty.

[NIKN]

These bastards must resist arrest and be eliminated.

[foxes]

Subhumans and moral degenerates. The only way to burn people like that is in public at the stake. I'm sorry, but this is just fucking nuts.

[your vsr 66-67]

Quote: Vulpes

Such things are only publicly burned at the stake.

They won't survive long in prison anyway. And if they do, I don't envy them.

In March, the perpetrators learned that a resident of the Chanovsky district had received compensation for her son, who had died in the SVO zone.

And of course the question.
How did they find out? So they were leaking information! And what happened to those who leaked it?

[Nastia makarova]

Yes, it's simple, all the lists of those who returned and the lists of the dead are open to everyone, many people use such lists.

[commbatant]

Quote: your vsr 66-67

How did they find out? So they were leaking information! And what happened to those who leaked it?

There are many sources involved, including social services employees, the bank, the military registration and enlistment office, "military mortgage participants," and so on.

[AdAstra]

Who told you they wouldn't survive long in prison? Where did all these romantic tales about that place come from? They'll survive just fine, and under certain circumstances, quite well. But if you smear your forehead with green paint, then yes, they won't last long.

[16112014nk]

How did they find out? So they were leaking information.

Leaks have been coming from military recruitment offices. My sister's husband from Rzhev was on a contract in Chechnya. He traveled from Rzhev with his wife to Tver to collect his payments in four installments. Someone suggested this. He said that if someone came alone and collected the entire amount, they were already waiting for him at the exit and made an offer to split it that was impossible to refuse.

[SmolH2]

This is a serious case, and a real one. They'll obviously have no regrets, which is right. Well, there's no other way to put it, but there's nothing new in forensic science either.

[Fitter65]

If I were to describe these "people" briefly, they'd be banned, but I think I've been clear on who they are. And God willing, they'll stay that way in prison.

[commbatant]

Quote: Fitter65

If I were to describe these "people" briefly, they'd be banned, but I think I've been clear on who they are. And God willing, they'll stay that way in prison.

Since you were born today, you've never heard of military personnel constantly being harassed. Upon arrival, they're immediately harassed at airports, train stations, and so on, demanding their small share. That's why soldiers often leave their bank cards with their wives... And now they've started harassing their relatives. If a military personnel had been alive, they'd have been "frisked."

[Fitter65]

Quote: commbatant

Since you were born today, you've never heard of military personnel constantly being harassed. Upon arrival, they're immediately harassed at airports, train stations, and so on, demanding their small share. That's why soldiers often leave their bank cards with their wives... And now they've started harassing their relatives. If a military personnel had been alive, they'd have been "frisked."

This simply speaks volumes about the moral state of society, since events like this happen almost constantly. As the saying goes, "A society without color-coded pants has no purpose."

[carpenter]

The organized crime group members have been charged under Part 4 of Article 159 of the Russian Criminal Code (fraud committed by an organized group on an especially large scale). All the perpetrators face lengthy prison terms.

Spawn of Satan, they only get capital punishment, not a large prison term.

[Vladislav_V]

We need to recreate a penal battalion and send this contingent to the LBC! Assholes!

[parsec]

They'll end up on the LB anyway, it's just a matter of time

[Vladislav_V]

Quote: parsec

They'll end up on the LB anyway, it's just a matter of time

The question is, in what capacity? They should be in assault squads, with encouraging friendly fire if they take a wrong turn!

[commbatant]

Quote: Vladislav_V

They should be in assault squads, with encouraging friendly fire in case of any steps in the wrong direction!

Who are you trying to scare? Do you think the stormtroopers are currently staffed exclusively by convicts and HIV-positives? There aren't many of them. The main recruits are sent to the motorized infantry units, and after training, to assault units. There are no motorized infantry units as such right now. There are rifle regiments without armored fighting vehicles or vehicles, purely assault infantry. An assault unit would storm the village, clear it, hand it over to the infantry, and then move on. If the Ukrainian Armed Forces counterattack, the infantry holding the village is captured or killed...

[Vladislav_V]

Quote: commbatant

Who are you scaring? In your opinion, only prisoners and HIV-infected people are fighting in the stormtroopers now, there are just few of them there.

I'm not trying to scare you. I want these scoundrels to die instead of normal guys!

[commbatant]

Quote: Vladislav_V

I'm not trying to scare you. I want these scoundrels to die instead of normal guys!

The detainees are young, they have a chance to be amnestied, the end of the SVO is still far away, and the country needs young workers here and now, maybe they will even work in the police, because in five years everyone will flee from there, and only the main departments and directorates will remain.

[Askold65]

Quote: commbatant

The detainees are young, they have a chance to be amnestied, the end of the SVO is still far away, and the country needs young workers here and now, maybe they will even work in the police, because in five years everyone will flee from there, and only the main departments and directorates will remain.

These young workers should grow old in labor camps, and not be employed after the amnesty in places where they should not be in PRINCIPLE.

[commbatant]

Quote: Askold65

These young workers should grow old in labor camps, and not be employed after the amnesty in places where they should not be in PRINCIPLE.

I don't argue. But who's going to hold us accountable? If migrants are pushing their own people into government and law enforcement/regulatory agencies, then how are ex-convicts any worse?
One district police officer covers a residential area where his fellow Central Asians live, and other areas where "dacha slum dwellers" live. The crime detection rate is good, too, and there are no complaints from citizens. Maybe a few complaints from "Muscovites" (from other Russian regions), but that's just statistical error.

[Askold65]

Quote: commbatant

If migrants are pushing their own people into government bodies and law enforcement/regulatory agencies, then how are former convicts any worse?

Not the migrants, but those in government who protect them, and the law that makes it easy to obtain citizenship and gain employment in virtually all government agencies. But I seriously doubt that Tajik citizens will be included in the First Person's security detail.

[commbatant]

Quote: Askold65

I seriously doubt that citizens of Tajikistan will be included in the First Person’s security detail.

What's a Tajik supposed to do with the Federal Protective Service? It's a different story with the Federal Tax Service, the Federal Migration Service, Rospotrebnadzor, and so on. It's only relatively recently that they've begun to purge Armenian "brothers" from the prosecutor's office and the Federal Bailiff Service. Go to any district court and you'll be met by a "gulkitay" in the office. Take any court, the lower and middle levels are Asia and/or the Caucasus, while the upper levels are "ancient Sumerians."
We will also be affected by the dominance of "ancient Sumerians" who have been fed up since the first Maidan in Ukraine, receiving Russian citizenship and occupying the highest positions in the management of state corporations and ministries of the Russian Federation.
Russia is being destroyed both from the outside and from the inside.

[Askold65]

Quote: commbatant

Come to any district court, where you will be met by a gulchitai in the office.

I haven't encountered any. There are plenty of people willing to fill such "easy" positions.

Quote: commbatant

Any p-ku take the lower and middle level is Asia and/or the Caucasus, the upper one is "ancient Sumerians".

There is such a thing, but in our regional city, there's nothing like that at the "entire grassroots level." Just isolated positions... for now, at least.

Quote: commbatant

What's a Tajik supposed to do with the FSO? It's a different story with the Federal Tax Service, the Federal Migration Service, Rospotrebnadzor, and so on.

Do you think these guys from the Federal Protective Service are paid less than migrant workers on a construction site or in a warehouse for a 12-hour workday? Tajiks (especially those from Tajikistan) will not be able to get into this "office" in PRINCIPLE. Unfortunately, this principle does not apply to other agencies.

[commbatant]

Quote: Askold65

Quote: commbatant

Come to any district court, where you will be met by a gulchitai in the office.

I haven't encountered any. There are plenty of people willing to fill such "easy" positions.

People don't hold such positions for money, but for first-hand information, and other people pay their salaries in order to have their own person in the system.

There is such a thing, but in our regional city, there's nothing like that at the "entire grassroots level." Just isolated positions... for now, at least.

The key word here is "regional center" (though what other region), although of course I went a little overboard, but only a little...

Do you think these guys from the FSO are paid less than migrant workers at a construction site or warehouse for a 12-hour workday?

What does salary have to do with it? The main thing here is connections, information, the ability to drag a fellow countryman into the department and raise him to the top.
Interethnic organized crime diasporas need their own people in government agencies not so that these people can receive salaries there, but so that they can solve the problems of organized crime groups in their business.
I've known people who would give someone else cash to do their work for them while they focused on their own interests, which they'd earned through connections. Haven't you ever encountered people like that in your work?

[Askold65]

Quote: commbatant

People don't hold such positions for money, but for first-hand information, and other people pay their salaries in order to have their own person in the system.

What kind of confidential information can one obtain at the district court office or local clinic?

Quote: commbatant

The key word here is "regional center" (although what other region),

What's the key here? Migrants occupying large cities with populations of over a million? That's where it gets interesting.

Quote: commbatant

What does salary have to do with it? The main thing here is connections, information, the ability to drag a fellow countryman into the department and raise him to the top.

So, at construction sites, warehouses, and markets, they work not for wages, but as "scouts" to gather information?

Quote: commbatant

Interethnic organized crime diasporas need their own people in government agencies not so that these people can receive salaries there, but so that they can solve the problems of organized crime groups in their business.

You are Captain Obvious. But this is not obvious (for some reason?) to our ruling elite, whose instinct for self-preservation in power works only against its own people.

Quote: commbatant

I've known people who would give cash to someone else to do their work for them while they were busy solving their own problems within the framework of their position, which they had obtained through connections.

At our Vladimir Tractor Plant (when it still existed in the early 90s), this was practiced by imported Vietnamese, who gave cash to local workers while they themselves sold Chinese clothes at the market.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: parsec

They'll end up on the LB anyway, it's just a matter of time

Going into battle with people like that? I wouldn't. I don't even want to have a "comrade-in-arms" like that in my unit. I don't even want to have such a scum as a neighbor on the landing.

[Normal]

Beat them until they lose consciousness, then bring them back to their senses and beat them again. So that they want to die from unbearable regular pain.

[Flooding]

Quote: Normal

Beat them until they lose consciousness, then bring them back to their senses and beat them again. So that they want to die from unbearable regular pain.

It is not normal.
Punish?
Yes!
Is it possible to fix it?
It would be nice.
But to torture?

[Vladislav_V]

The man wrote this in his heart. And he can be understood.

[Flooding]

Quote: Vladislav_V

The man wrote this in his heart. And he can be understood.

In one's anger one can say and write many inappropriate things.
That is why falsehood does not become truth, nor stupidity wisdom.

[Normal]

You are free, as I am, to imagine for yourself the punishment for them.

[Flooding]

Quote: Normal

You are free, as I am, to imagine for yourself the punishment for them.

In such situations, I believe it is fair to give the right to sentence to the victims.
They have such a moral right.

[Normal]

So, losing a son in the North-Eastern Front, and then cheating his mother on top of that... Do you still think this is torture? Vladimir Vladimirovich, log in again, you've been recognized.

[Flooding]

Quote: Normal

So, losing a son in the North-Eastern Front, and then cheating his mother on top of that... Do you still think this is torture? Vladimir Vladimirovich, log in again, you've been recognized.

Leave the preschool humor to preschoolers.
I wrote something that was absolutely fair:
The mother of a SVO soldier, who suffered at the hands of criminals, has much more moral right to decide what the punishment should be.

What you wrote is beyond the pale. And your latest comment only confirms that you didn't write it in anger, as the colleague above suggested.
And because of my convictions and upbringing.

[Normal]

Don't lecture me about life and label me with "preschool humor." When you run out of arguments for your opponent, you always turn to the person and devalue them. Just look at yourself. You're a fucking pacifist.

[Flooding]

Quote: Normal

Don't lecture me about life and label me as "preschool humor." When you run out of arguments for your opponent, you always turn to the person and devalue them.

You reason strangely
these are your words

Quote: Normal

Vladimir Vladimirovich, log in again, you've been recognized.

Is that when you ran out of arguments?
or now?
Why do you allow yourself to do things that you don't allow others to do?
In discussion we are equal.
and we discuss according to general rules.
What you can do, I can do too.
Theoretically, of course.

Quote: Normal

Look at yourself. You're a fucking pacifist.

After all, you're asking for a showdown, you fucking sadist.

[Normal]

What do you know about sadists? There's no need to even talk about them. So what about the unicorns?

[Flooding]

Quote: Normal

What do you know about sadists? There's no need to even talk about them. So what about the unicorns?

probably less than you.
I get such confidence just from reading your comments

Quote: Normal

Beat them until they lose consciousness, then bring them back to their senses and beat them again. So that they want to die from unbearable regular pain.

[Normal]

My upbringing is as far away from you as China is from your ass. I don't live in a world of pink unicorns that poop rainbows. And you seem to be stuck there. And mostly for show. Like, look how fair I am.

[Flooding]

Quote: Normal

My upbringing is as far away from you as China is from your ass. I don't live in a world of pink unicorns that poop rainbows. And you seem to be stuck there. And mostly for show. Like, look how fair I am.

In words - yes.
the only question is what are these words of yours worth?

[Normal]

And you check.
..........................

[Flooding]

Quote: Normal

And you check.
..........................

Do you have a specific business proposal?
or is it a lala again?

[Normal]

Do you know what it’s like to lose your child, to survive their death and to live with this terrible reality?
There is a small but very instructive parable.
The forest is burning, the flames creeping ever closer to a bird's nest containing its young chicks. Beyond lies a cliff face and the opposite bank, and between the banks, a mountain river raging at a tremendous speed.
The mother bird grabs one chick in her beak and flies with it to the other bank. During the flight, the chick says to its mother: "Mom, Mom, hold me tight in your beak, save me, when I grow up and become strong, I will save you too." The mother bird opens her beak and the chick flies down into the turbulent river. She returns for the second: "Mom, Mom, hold me tight, when I grow up and become strong, I will save you too." It suffers the same fate. She returns for the third: "Mom, Mom, hold me tight, save me, when I grow up and become strong, I too will save my children one day."
So it's clear, I think.
And these inhuman creatures didn't rob a bank because they were afraid, because they might fight back and die themselves. No, they went after the weakest, those grief-stricken over the loss of a son, the most vulnerable segment of the population. This isn't just extortion and fraud; it's a deliberate, vile, and inhumane way to enrich themselves at the expense of another's grief—a deliberate act, I repeat. And you're going to tell me how abnormal my desire is? To correct it, if possible? Are you serious? This is a vile, cynical act, a move toward a grief-stricken mother... do you still want to feel sorry for them?
Unfortunately, the SVO also goes along with "they are not brothers".

[Flooding]

Just one question that will place punctuation marks correctly.
Without borrowed parables and other people's thoughts.

Quote: Normal

Do you know what it’s like to lose your child, to survive their death and to live with this terrible reality?

Why do you think you know this better than me?
Only someone who has suffered this terrible grief has the right to ask such a question.

[Normal]

Because. This will be enough for you.

[Flooding]

Quote: Normal

Because. This will be enough for you.

you see how simple it is.
and immediately everything fell into place.
You think that you can do something that your opponent can't, simply "because."
This is the answer of the person who wrote about arguments a little earlier.

[Normal]

Everything became clear to me from your first comment, especially after the idea of ​​"correcting it if possible." After that, I have nothing to talk about with you. You understood everything perfectly well, but you insist on asking me to understand what my conscience refuses to comprehend. You've touched on my upbringing. I was always raised not to offend the weak. But this isn't just weak; she's a mother who's lost her sons, heartbroken. Have you heard what empathy is? That's why I have this desire, and it has nothing to do with sadism. They're sadists, I repeat, if they'd do something like this, simply to deceive someone equal or stronger. That requires guts. They obviously approached a weak person, so I repeat: such people need to be beaten, brought to their senses, and beaten again.

[Flooding]

Well, fine.
This means that everyone remains with his own.
I'm a fucking pacifist.
You are a fucking sadist.
And the penitentiary system has its etymological root "poenitentia" (Latin for repentance)
And there is no need to tell a stranger that you know more and better about everything.

[Normal]

"Hard times create strong people. Strong people create good times. Good times create weak people. Weak people create hard times." The more people like you, the harder the times.

[Flooding]

Quote: Normal

The more people like you there are, the harder times become.

For me, your words are like a balm on a wound.
After everything you wrote, they mean exactly the opposite.
Do not squander your wisdom in vain.
Save them for your equal.

[Normal]

I agree, you're definitely not my equal. Boring, tedious, a typical Chekhovian "Man in a Case." High scores on the MMPI (aka SMIL), the Neurotic Overcontrol Scale. Regulars at clinics, if they're hospitalized, they lecture everyone on how to take their medications correctly, and most importantly, on time. Boring because of their tediousness and excessive "correctness," although correctness has neurotic roots. The whole problem with people like you is any suppression of spontaneity; people like you are simply uninteresting. Stingy emotional expression. At the same time, a contradictory combination of restraint and irritability. A dogmatic way of thinking, where there's no room for independence (because it's wrong). The hypersocial attitudes are just a cover, a wrapper, behind which hides a grumpy, irritable, and obligatory moralizing tone toward others. It was enough to understand this from the very first comment addressed to me. This reveals and points to your method, your "defense" mechanism of "fleeing into illness." And it doesn't matter whether it's imaginary or real. And it's a screen that masks the desire to shift responsibility to others. Your brother is visible from afar. No matter how hard you try to pass for law-abiding, this in no way correlates with reality. The outcome of the man in the case is utterly banal. On the one hand, he loved her and wanted to be with her, on the other, he couldn't forget that bike ride with the hem of his dress lifted, and that was unacceptable on his part. As a result, he fell ill from this duality and died. Stay healthy.

[Flooding]

Quote: Normal

I agree, you're definitely not my equal. Boring, tedious, a typical Chekhovian "Man in a Case." High scores on the MMPI (aka SMIL), the Neurotic Overcontrol Scale. Regulars at clinics, if they're hospitalized, they lecture everyone on how to take their medications correctly, and most importantly, on time. Boring because of their tediousness and excessive "correctness," although correctness has neurotic roots. The whole problem with people like you is any suppression of spontaneity; people like you are simply uninteresting. Stingy emotional expression. At the same time, a contradictory combination of restraint and irritability. A dogmatic way of thinking, where there's no room for independence (because it's wrong). The hypersocial attitudes are just a cover, a wrapper, behind which hides a grumpy, irritable, and obligatory moralizing tone toward others. It was enough to understand this from the very first comment addressed to me. This reveals and points to your method, your "defense" mechanism of "fleeing into illness." And it doesn't matter whether it's imaginary or real. And it's a screen that masks the desire to shift responsibility to others. Your brother is visible from afar. No matter how hard you try to pass for law-abiding, this in no way correlates with reality. The outcome of the man in the case is utterly banal. On the one hand, he loved her and wanted to be with her, on the other, he couldn't forget that bike ride with the hem of his dress lifted, and that was unacceptable on his part. As a result, he fell ill from this duality and died. Stay healthy.

Aren't you being a bit too wordy for a "strong man born of hard times"?
In my opinion, it’s excessive even for a grandmother who never became a grandfather.

[Normal]

And this doesn't concern you at all))) You hit the nail on the head)) There's more to come))) I wouldn't have even noticed you if you hadn't poked your nose into my comment and started lecturing me on what's right and what's wrong. Well, eat your fill now, and don't get all messy.

[Flooding]

Quote: Normal

And this doesn't concern you at all))) You hit the nail on the head)) There's more to come))) I wouldn't have even noticed you if you hadn't poked your nose into my comment and started lecturing me on what's right and what's wrong. Well, eat your fill now, and don't get all messy.

All you can do is console yourself with illusions.
I won't regret it, even though you are not well.
And your stinking comment has no place among human words and phrases.
Goodbye. Or have you not spoken yet?
Still itching?

[Normal]

Yes, yes, that's exactly how people who are a bit odd, to put it mildly, start their conversations. You know what I noticed? It's precisely these kinds of people who have trouble making assumptions about me. And they're 180 degrees off. Those who know me here might tell you about it in a private message.

[Flooding]

Quote: Normal

Yes, yes, that's exactly how people who are a bit odd, to put it mildly, start their conversations. You know what I noticed? It's precisely these kinds of people who have trouble making assumptions about me. And they're 180 degrees off. Those who know me here might tell you about it in a private message.

Maybe yes, maybe no.
Is someone willing to vouch for you?
With what? With your good name?
Stop it.
I have already written to you that I am at your service.

Quote: Flood

Quote: Normal

And you check.
..........................

Do you have a specific business proposal?
or is it a lala again?

[Vladislav_V]

Quote: Flood

Save them for your equal.

I don't understand what you're so hung up on? Sages still write treatises and debate on the topic of morality and achieving noble goals through undesirable means.

[Flooding]

Quote: Vladislav_V

I don't understand what you're so hung up on? Sages still write treatises and debate on the topic of morality and achieving noble goals through undesirable means.

I'm allergic to stupid and unkind people.
I can't help myself.
I immediately stand at attention, like a well-bred hunting dog.
Although to a small extent, Military Review, like many other media outlets, influences the formation of public opinion.
We must not allow evil, nasty comments to proliferate here unchecked.
I am for a healthy Russian society.
Let the wise men write.
Let fools remain silent.

[Vladislav_V]

Quote: Flood

I'm allergic to stupid and unkind people.

Smart and kind! It's just that you're both getting worked up, and that's not wise. Nice, perhaps.

[Flooding]

Quote: Vladislav_V

Smart and kind! It's just that you're both getting worked up, and that's not wise. Nice, perhaps.

You did not guess.
I'm half and half.
Which is more or less within normal limits.

[Askold65]

Quote: Flood

And the penitentiary system has its etymological root "poenitentia" (Latin for repentance)

This doesn't mean everyone should be given the chance to repent. But, perhaps, before the chopping block. Why not?

[Hunter 2]

Quote: Normal

Beat them until they lose consciousness, then bring them back to their senses and beat them again. So that they want to die from unbearable regular pain.

Why bother? I'm not a humanist at all. Killing these jerks is perfectly understandable and acceptable, but why torture them? What good will it do? I can understand and accept the field interrogation method... sometimes the information is worth it, especially in war, but I really don't understand torture as a punishment. While destroying jerks, it's important not to become like them yourself, that's my opinion.

[commbatant]

Quote: Normal

Beat them until they lose consciousness, then bring them back to their senses and beat them again. So that they want to die from unbearable regular pain.

You can't test them with water. They didn't work on their own, but in partnership not with criminals, but rather with respected people from government and private sector organizations.

[Non-fighter]

I'm not surprised. We spent 35 years building a country of lies and deceit. Those who deceive better live better.

[Mikhail Nasharashev]

Such people should be completely destroyed, wiped off the face of the earth

[yuriy55]

All criminals face long prison terms.

And why does Russia need to keep these scoundrels in prison, spending time and money on their upkeep?
Who were the wise ones who decided to spare the lives of the marauders?
They don’t want to hang, they don’t want to shoot – let them provide such scum with eternal support...

[Vladislav_V]

Quote: Askold65

How many? And at what point during the USSR's existence? Were criminals executed to maintain power?

Don't put an owl on the globe anymore. It hurts her. I apologize, but the questions weren't addressed to you.

[Askold65]

Quote: Vladislav_V

Don't put an owl on the globe anymore. It hurts.

That's exactly why I asked for clarification, to understand why the owl is suffering, after your questions, although not to me...

I apologize, but the questions were not addressed to you.

This is an open forum, so anyone can ask questions and send answers. But I have some questions for you.

[Zheka111]

Nowadays, SVO soldiers and their families are being milked by anyone and everyone - from drug dealers who sell cigarettes at exorbitant prices to commander fathers who impose extortions for everything - if you want to go to a relatively quiet place and not to a bloody assault - pay, on vacation/leave - pay, to sign/process documents - pay, all sorts of fees for the needs of the unit (But for some reason it has to be transferred to the cards of the colonels at headquarters), etc.
And at home there are lawyers, fixers, gangsters, doctors, officials, ex-wives, etc. - war brings out all the vices of a person

[Alexga]

Maybe we should revise some sections of the Constitution and reinstate the death penalty. Maybe the fear of death will bring them to their senses. The SVO is underway, people are dying, the state must protect its citizens from moral monsters.

[sasha_cho]

I hope they are sent to the front

[snow mountain]

I hope they are sent to the front

Better to go to prison. At the front, they might run off to join the thugs.

[Vadim S]

Why do they take people like that alive? They could have reported that they didn't want to surrender. Or should they return the tower?

[Berg berg]

Were they all shot, or were they given strict instructions and released?

[g_ae]

And why just these? They say the number of billionaires in Russia increased during the Second World War. Why, I wonder? Just like in Ukraine, by the way. Aren't Russia and Ukraine brothers? More accurately, sisters.

[Panadol]

Don't loosen the clamps!
Some people here are writing like they're in the galleys. I hope socialism doesn't return. Because then they might ask where the fortunes come from. And they'll nationalize them. And put them up against the wall.

[Mint Gingerbread]

Such people should be reset upon arrest or sent to the front lines to storm the trenches.

[Grossvater]

Give it to the front-line soldiers...

[Yun Klob]

Here they are, the residents of Omsk, in all their glory

[VikPaS]

In LBS, these subhumans will immediately run off to the Banderites; they can't go there. Although they'll end up in hell faster there. Better yet, life imprisonment, or even better, a rope.

[snow mountain]

Quote: tralflot1832

Or maybe all the members of the organized crime group can be sent to camps where SVO officers train, and then what's left to judge?

Great offer!

[enzelad]

These creatures need to be sent to LBS, let them take money from the idiots, or rather try to take it away

[Ml. Sergeant]

As targets, in the training center for fighters in the North-Eastern Military District