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Azerbaijan plans to include Turkish tank Altay and other armored vehicles of Turkish production in its arsenal of its army

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Azerbaijan is interested in some armored fighting vehicles and basic a tank "Altay" Turkish production. At the IDEF-2013 exhibition last week, meetings discussed the inclusion of Turkish-made armored personnel carriers in the arsenal of the Azerbaijani army in the future.


The Azeri side showed the greatest interest in the Altay battle tank. Two prototypes of this tank are ready. As part of the tests on movement, one of them drove more than 3 thousand. Km. Another prototype was created for fire tests, and was tested in the winter period in the Sarygamysh region.




At the IDEF exhibition, a prototype was demonstrated at the Otokar stand, which passed fire tests. The Azerbaijani side, due to its interest in these tanks, was informed about its performance. It was noted that there are no problems for the Azerbaijani army to adopt these tanks.

The Azerbaijani delegation also showed interest in the Arma military vehicle (8x8) and the Tulpar infantry fighting vehicle (BMP) produced by Otokar.

Azerbaijan plans to include Turkish tank Altay and other armored vehicles of Turkish production in its arsenal of its army


In addition, the Azerbaijani delegation expressed interest in the Ejder military vehicle (6х6) manufactured by Nurol, the Kaplan armored reinforcement manufactured by FNSS, the Kanqal mine protected vehicle manufactured by Katmerciler exhibition. An agreement has been reached to bring some of these military vehicles to Azerbaijan and to subject them to testing.

The exhibition also noted that in the near future, based on the contract signed with the company ROKETSAN, the delivery of artillery missile systems to Azerbaijan will begin.
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  1. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 17 May 2013 06: 49 New
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    If anyone had ever visited Baku in Soviet times and visited modern Baku, he would have been simply amazed at the changes that have taken place in it. Baku is, now, a giant construction site and it is, in fact, built anew. Only the embankment and the old-historical part of the city remained from old Baku. The new Baku is a modern city, but .... it has lost its “face”, as well as its originality and, absolutely, reminds one of the districts of modern Istanbul, because it is being built according to Turkish plans and projects, by Turkish workers.
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 17 May 2013 07: 18 New
      +2
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      Only the embankment and the old-historical part of the city remained from old Baku.

      not only but much has changed !!
      Sometimes the city seems alien, a lot has changed!
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      reminds one of the districts of modern Istanbul, because it is being built according to Turkish plans and projects, by Turkish workers.

      it is not true!
      To be built by different companies, mainly Azerbaijani, the projects are different and the builders are mainly Azerbaijanians!
      1. vilenich
        vilenich 17 May 2013 07: 24 New
        +1
        Good morning Alibek!
        Of course it would be interesting to visit Baku, see what they built there!
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 17 May 2013 07: 54 New
          +7
          Quote: vilenich
          Good morning Alibek!
          Of course it would be interesting to visit Baku, see what they built there!

          Good morning!!
          Probably for guests and youth very beautiful !!
          Beautiful lighting of buildings, all old houses are faced!
          But for me a little wrong !!
          I am also glad that the city is becoming big with beautiful buildings, but at the same time the traces of the past are erased !!
          The little nooks and crannies of the old city were dear to me!
          Of course, progress is good and unstoppable, but I’m probably a conservative by nature !!
          1. avt
            avt 17 May 2013 09: 57 New
            +1
            Quote: Yarbay
            But for me a little wrong !!

            Pancake ! And you built a city monster request Well, it’s just some kind of trouble, an epidemic. In Moscow, Luzhok began to make monsters and high-altitude highways, so compared to these stalagmites, the Stalinist skyscrapers were just the top of the architecture, they built one on the Leningrad in the same style and somehow look organically.
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 17 May 2013 10: 41 New
              +2
              Quote: avt
              Pancake ! And you built a city monster

              there are big monsters in the projects!
              It’s worth not to go to some part of the city for a couple of months and having passed then you don’t recognize the area!
              1. xetai9977
                xetai9977 17 May 2013 11: 27 New
                +2
                This is not a project. A year as already stands in kind.
            2. Yarbay
              Yarbay 17 May 2013 11: 09 New
              +3
              Quote: avt
              these monsters began

              Here are the projects for the next year and for 2020 !!

              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 17 May 2013 11: 11 New
                +2
                Already built too !!


                1. Don
                  Don 17 May 2013 11: 20 New
                  +4
                  Yarbay
                  As a civil engineer, I am generally pleased to watch. Objects of course for a peek. Cutting edge. good
                2. avt
                  avt 17 May 2013 11: 21 New
                  0
                  Quote: Yarbay
                  Here are the projects for the next year and for 2020 !!

                  Horror of some kind, they will kill the embankment! request Only condolences can be expressed. We wanted to plant such an orange on the Baturin River Moscow embankment, it would have been even worse, thank God we’ve fought off, We removed the meadow, otherwise it would have stuck.
                  1. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 17 May 2013 12: 00 New
                    +1
                    Quote: avt
                    Horror of some kind, they will kill the embankment!

                    honestly I don’t know, rejoice or upset!
                    Time will tell!
          2. OTAKE
            OTAKE 17 May 2013 11: 56 New
            +6
            Quote: Yarbay
            Beautiful lighting of buildings, all old houses are faced!

            It was:

            After:

            IMHO the solution is cheap, practical, and finally beauties) all would be so redo Khrushchev)
      2. bask
        bask 17 May 2013 08: 28 New
        +1
        Quote: Yarbay
        ydzhanskimi, different projects and builders are mainly Azerbaijanis!

        Hello hi . That everything was built perfectly in Baku.
        I’m talking about the main thing. Turkey can now offer Azerbaijan, the entire line of the MOST MODERN ARMOR. Russia is no longer. ,,, thanks to the “wise” reign of 30 years old shit, we stayed in jo ...... And there is no way out from there under this corrupt government.
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 17 May 2013 08: 53 New
          +1
          Quote: bask
          Russia is no longer. ,,, thanks to the “wise” reign of 30 years old shit, we stayed in jo ...... And there is no way out from there under this corrupt government.

          This is bad!
          Quote: bask
          Turkey can now offer Azerbaijan, the entire line of the most modern armored vehicles.

          It seems to me this is not so!
          Turkey is just starting production of such equipment !!
          Armored cars of almost all types are already being produced in Azerbaijan, so far there is no production of only tanks!
          Turkey in tank building is taking its first steps!
          1. bask
            bask 17 May 2013 09: 16 New
            0
            Quote: Yarbay
            !
            Turkey in tank building is taking its first steps!

            Not steps, but small steps !!!.
            I posted to the bottom that as early as 5 years ago no one knew about Turkish technology.
            Now in Turkey, only firms producing armored vehicles.
            No. 1. Both in terms of release and quantity: Otokar.
            2, FSS 48% y BAE Systems ((latest technology provided))
            3.Nurol
            4.Katmerciler.
            5.ROKETSAN it.dal.
        2. Don
          Don 17 May 2013 10: 58 New
          +3
          Quote: bask
          Turkey can now offer Azerbaijan, the entire line of the most modern armored vehicles. Russia is gone

          T-90MS, BMP-3 or BMD-4M is not modern armored vehicles? TTX read them.
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 17 May 2013 11: 18 New
            +2
            Quote: Don
            T-90MS, BMP-3 or BMD-4M is not modern armored vehicles?

            How did the commander of the ground forces called the BMP coffins on wheels!
            You don’t buy tanks for your army, who will buy after such an advertisement ??
            1. Don
              Don 17 May 2013 11: 27 New
              +1
              Quote: Yarbay
              You don’t buy tanks for your army, who will buy after such an advertisement ??

              The Russian Federation has a huge number of tanks. No urgent need for large purchases. Therefore, the T-72 and T-80 are being upgraded. BMP is BMP. It is designed to transport personnel to the place of performance of the assigned combat mission. BMP-3 worse than Bradley or Marauder?
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 17 May 2013 11: 56 New
                0
                Quote: Don
                BMP-3 worse than Bradley or Marauder?

                I think if your general calls it a coffin on wheels, then the question is unambiguous !!
                I agree with Basque that this is a car of the past!
                1. Don
                  Don 17 May 2013 14: 39 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Yarbay
                  I think if your general calls it a coffin on wheels, then the question is unambiguous !!

                  Who knows what blurt out. He is not the ultimate authority for the decision.
                  Quote: Yarbay
                  I agree with Basque that this is a car of the past!

                  BMP-3? And what is real then?
                  1. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 17 May 2013 14: 44 New
                    0
                    Quote: Don
                    Who knows what blurt out. He is not the ultimate authority for the decision.

                    it’s no one what, but the commander of the ground forces !!
                    And no one in the department pulled him away and long after that he was at the post!
              2. Predskazamus
                Predskazamus 20 June 2013 11: 50 New
                0
                t90 has exhausted all its capabilities !! But we have in mind a new, very worthy invention of the Kharkov Design Bureau Tank Oplot
            2. Lord of the Sith
              Lord of the Sith 17 May 2013 11: 42 New
              +6
              Quote: Yarbay
              You don’t buy tanks for your army, who will buy after such an advertisement ??


              How not to buy?


              T-90 - 500 units. Of these, about 400 units are T-90A (AK) and ~ 120 T-90 (K).

              T-80 - 4500 units. Since 2009 there is a major overhaul and modernization.

              T-72 - 12500 units. Since 2007 there has been a major overhaul and modernization of the entire park.

              T-64 - 4000 units. Disposal in progress.

              T-62 - 150 units. Are disposed of.
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 17 May 2013 11: 54 New
                -1
                Quote: Lord of the Sith

                T-90 - 500 units. Of these, about 400 units are T-90A (AK) and ~ 120 T-90 (K).

                I meant only the t-90!
                I have not heard of such purchases !!
                did not know!
                I heard that the Ministry of Defense refused to buy the T-90 last year!
                As for the BMP, I read an interview with the former commander of the Russian ground forces!
            3. family
              family tree 17 May 2013 12: 49 New
              +3
              Quote: Yarbay
              How did the commander of the ground forces called the BMP coffins on wheels!

              Postnikov. He and abruptly have pearls
              the T-90 tank is actually the 17th modification of the Soviet T-72. Moreover, its cost is currently 118 million rubles per unit.

              "It would be easier for us to buy three Leopards (the main battle tank made in Germany) for this money," said the Colonel General.
              For example, the selling price of 200 Leopard2 tanks to Saudi Arabia in 2011 was 1,5 billion euros. It’s easy to get a unit value of 7,5 million euros, or about 10 million bucks. Why didn’t you buy it, then?
              Or does he consider these to be modern?
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 17 May 2013 13: 14 New
                +2
                Quote: perepilka
                Or does he consider these to be modern?

                I agree with you!
                But look at his then position and he was not removed then even after these words!
                Bigger for potential buyers confirmed his words!
                1. family
                  family tree 17 May 2013 15: 58 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Yarbay
                  I agree with you!
                  But look at his then position and he was not removed then even after these words!
                  Bigger for potential buyers confirmed his words!

                  As a cadet of the Kiev Higher Combined Arms Command School. M.V. Frunze, married the daughter of the chief of staff of the Kiev military district, Colonel General (later - Army General) Stanislav Ivanovich Postnikov, in connection with which he took the double surname Postnikov-Streltsov. In 1974 he graduated from the Kazan Suvorov Military School;
                  In 1978 he graduated from the Kiev Higher Combined Arms Command School. M.V. Frunze;
                  In 1988 he graduated from the Military Academy. M.V. Frunze;
                  In 2000 he graduated from the Military Academy of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation;
                  PhD in Political Science Since April 26, 2012 - Deputy Chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation [
                  Here it is. I immediately had no questions about his military merits. After such a statement, in such a position, an official obituary should be compiled.
                  1. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 17 May 2013 16: 03 New
                    +1
                    Quote: perepilka
                    Here it is. I immediately had no questions about his military merits.

                    I agree with you!
                    But the trouble is not even that !!
                    Nobody knew about this in the country's leadership !?
                    1. family
                      family tree 17 May 2013 19: 48 New
                      +3
                      Quote: Yarbay
                      Nobody knew about this in the country's leadership !?

                      Well, not yesterday, judging by the flag, you were born. Protection with respect to relatives, even under the tsar’s king, played the piano, played in the late USSR, and now, apparently, I’m no longer building relatives for the post, but they are creating posts for relatives, I’m looking at the railway, in the sense of the railway. I assume that they all have heaps of dirt on each other. Someday this mine will explode, it would be better early, otherwise it will start again, meaningless and merciless.
          2. bask
            bask 17 May 2013 11: 35 New
            +1
            Quote: Don
            90MS, BMP-3 or BMD-4M aren't modern armored vehicles? TTX their esteem

            I read it more than once. All of the armored vehicles you cited have no mine protection.
            The T-90 MS is the most advanced MBT in Russia, but part of the ammunition is in the fighting compartment. There is always a threat (when an RPG, ATGM tank is damaged), detonation of the ammunition with the death of the crew. And there is no protection against ammunition and ATGM attacking from above.
            Not one MPAA mine-protected armored car in the army and the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
            In Ukraine, the BTR-T64 was created for the feed in and out. We have the BTR-T based on the T-55 and T-72, created in 92.! 3 pieces in chemical .. troops. And not a stern entrance.
            Continue.?
            There is modern armored vehicles, SMP-3,, Bear, KamAZ, Ural, typhoons, but there are 000 of them in the troops.
            1. Don
              Don 17 May 2013 13: 01 New
              +2
              Quote: bask
              And there is no protection against ammunition and anti-tank systems attacking from above.

              ATGM first need to be put in place, for this Blind-1 and installed. You say so, as if from the top there is no armor at all. And besides, there is dynamic protection.
              Quote: bask
              All the armored vehicles you cited do not have mine protection.

              What mine protection do you mean? That is, if Altai or Abrams runs into an anti-tank mine, then he will not receive any damage?
              1. bask
                bask 17 May 2013 13: 44 New
                +3
                Quote: Don
                ATGM first need to be put in place, for this Blind-1 and installed. You say so, as if there’s no armor from the top

                1.KAZ and Shtora-1 does not protect against ammunition attacking from above.
                2. DZ is absent on hatches. There is one on T-90 2-a. On Israeli carrot-4.
                Quote: Don

                What mine protection do you mean? That is, if Altai or Abrams hits an anti-tank mine,

                As for Altai, I don’t know, there is no data. But in order to undermine the Merkava-4, with a V-shaped bottom, you need about 100 kg per tonne. See for yourself on M1A1.
                The main BC remains in the fighting compartment. And when the armor breaks through, a cumulative jet, the probability of detonation of the BC is high.
                The BC must be located either in the hull with the knock-out plates or in the aft niche of the tower, as on the tank, Black Eagle
                1. Don
                  Don 17 May 2013 16: 05 New
                  -1
                  Quote: bask
                  1.KAZ and Shtora-1 does not protect against ammunition attacking from above.

                  This is, for example, if you shoot from a building, past a passing tank. So tanks should interact with the infantry to prevent this from happening. And tell me which tank can withstand the ATGM hit from the top?
                  Quote: bask
                  2. DZ is absent on hatches. There is one on T-90 2-a. On Israeli carrot-4.

                  So what? At the same time, during the Second Lebanon War, Merkava was beaten up by the ATGM.
                  Quote: bask
                  But in order to undermine, Merkava-4, with a V-shaped bottom, you need about 100 kg in t / e.

                  I agree. Perhaps this is the disadvantage of the T-90, but in what way is it inferior in terms of firepower, active, dynamic protection or engine? Well, or in other performance characteristics. I do not see a huge technological lag. Moreover, we hope that in Armata these shortcomings will be eliminated.
                  1. igor67
                    igor67 17 May 2013 16: 19 New
                    +2
                    [quote = Don] [quote = bask] 1. KAZ and Blind-1 does not protect against ammunition attacking from above. [/ quote]
                    This is, for example, if you shoot from a building, past a passing tank.
                    You are wrong modern ATGMs just hit the tank in a less protected place from the top
                  2. bask
                    bask 17 May 2013 16: 50 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Don
                    yn, ATGM

                    ,, Baby ,, is an RPG.
                    In the year 20006. Knocked out from ATGM ,, Cornet ,,
                    A bit of info from the IDEF'13 exhibition
                    New and modified armored vehicles in Turkey.
                    1.Otokar company
                    BMP ,, Tulpar ,,


                    Multipurpose armored carCobra2.

                    Ural Patrol Armored Car.
                    1. Don
                      Don 22 May 2013 13: 40 New
                      0
                      Quote: bask
                      ,, Baby ,, is an RPG.

                      http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9C%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%8E%D1%82%D0%BA%D0%B0_%28%D0%9
                      F%D0%A2%D0%A0%D0%9A%29
                      "Baby" (GRAU Index - 9K11 (complex), 9M14 (rocket), according to the classification of the United States Defense Ministry and NATO - AT-3 Sagger, English crucible) - the first-generation Soviet anti-tank missile system.
                      Quote: bask
                      In the year 20006. Knocked out from ATGM ,, Cornet ,,

                      I read that from Baby too, but I'm 100% not sure. And ATGM Cornet really showed himself well.
                2. Predskazamus
                  Predskazamus 20 June 2013 11: 56 New
                  0
                  Tank Bk stronghold is located in the tower protected by multi-layered scolding !!! to Turkey Khorkovsky KB Delivers Tank Yatagan. Both tanks offer great prospects for further modernization. what the T80 has already run out of!
                  1. Don
                    Don 25 June 2013 16: 17 New
                    0
                    Quote: Predskazamus
                    to Turkey Khorkovsky KB Delivers Tank Yatagan.

                    Yatagan is not being delivered anywhere. "Yatagan" was not mass-produced and currently exists only in the form of a prototype.
                    1. Predskazamus
                      Predskazamus 30 June 2013 12: 00 New
                      0
                      Well, it’s designed specifically for Turkey)) And since when did this development go from scratch? Is it easy to mold plasticine?
      3. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 17 May 2013 11: 31 New
        +1
        Greetings! So they would have posted the photo. I do not want to look on the Internet - this is not it. But filming a layman, not staging - this is just what you need.
    2. xetai9977
      xetai9977 17 May 2013 07: 49 New
      +2
      Modern Baku is one of the most beautiful cities in the world. This is not a patriotic phrase, but reality. I myself, who lived here for 42 years from 47 years of life, can hardly recognize it. And it is built mainly according to Austrian and German projects and Azerbaijani workers.
    3. Kars
      Kars 17 May 2013 08: 57 New
      +1
      But what about the news from Gurk Khan about 200 T-90s that Azerbaijan will purchase?

      In retrospect, it is worth recalling that, exactly 1,5-2 years ago, Ukrainian propagandists tried to influence the decision to purchase tanks by Azerbaijan. For this, information was also arranged about the alleged "interest" of the Azerbaijani military in the Oplot tank through the national press. However, it did not work and Russia received a contract for 200 T-90S tanks.


      http://gurkhan.blogspot.com/2013/05/90.html
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 17 May 2013 09: 01 New
        +2
        Quote: Kars
        In retrospect, it is worth recalling that, exactly 1,5-2 years ago, Ukrainian propagandists tried to influence the decision to purchase tanks by Azerbaijan. For this, information was also arranged about the alleged "interest" of the Azerbaijani military in the Oplot tank through the national press. However, it did not work and Russia received a contract for 200 T-90S tanks.


        first time I hear !!
        They wrote about 100 T-90 tanks, but then they said something had stalled the conversation!
        About * Bastion *, too, the conversation went !!
        this question seems to be kept secret!
        1. vilenich
          vilenich 17 May 2013 09: 51 New
          +1
          Quote: Yarbay
          this question seems to be kept secret!

          In part, these are ordinary stuffing.
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 17 May 2013 10: 01 New
            0
            Quote: vilenich
            In part, these are ordinary stuffing.

            I agree with that !!
            But last year in the winter a lot was written about the contract for the t-90 !!
            and a couple of articles about interest in the Bastion!
            Then Kars and I came to the conclusion that hardly two different tanks would be bought!
            my friend the tankman praised the T-72AG very much !!!
            1. Alexander D.
              Alexander D. 17 May 2013 21: 52 New
              0
              Could you tell us more about the T-72AG? They seem to be in 2006-2008. 48pcs put. There are some photos - see in what condition they are now. And what exactly impressed your friend?
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 18 May 2013 07: 56 New
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                Quote: Alexander D.
                And what exactly impressed your friend?

                I can say that he was delighted !!
                No offense to the Russian comrades will be said, said that the t-90 is better, is not inferior in anything !!
                He talked about his tank for hours, about the engine, about sights, etc. !!
                Quote: Alexander D.
                There are some photos - see in what condition they are now.

                I will try to find for you!
                1. Alexander D.
                  Alexander D. 18 May 2013 10: 06 New
                  0
                  Thank. Really looking forward to photos. On the website of HCB Morozov, he looks something like this: http://www.morozov.com.ua/rus/body/t72ag.php
      2. Predskazamus
        Predskazamus 20 June 2013 12: 20 New
        0
        they are ready for the parade in Baku))))))))) in any case, at the beginning of this month they were unloaded at the port)))
    4. Free
      Free 21 June 2013 09: 11 New
      0
      So in Baku, it seems, there is an old part of the city, it was only restored and the entrance was paid, like 2 manat.
  2. svp67
    svp67 17 May 2013 07: 04 New
    +4
    Already without "points" it is clear which country Azerbaijan has chosen as its allies. Russia and especially Armenia should think about a lot
    1. vilenich
      vilenich 17 May 2013 07: 26 New
      0
      Quote: svp67
      Armenia should think a lot

      It’s for sure to think they don’t change their mind! The main thing is not to forget the beginning of the 90s!
    2. xetai9977
      xetai9977 17 May 2013 07: 54 New
      +2
      Quote: svp67
      "it is clear which country Azerbaijan chose as its allies

      Turkey is our NATURAL ally. We have one religion, essentially one language (the identity of the words is about 80%) Unlike Russia and Armenia, which are allies for political reasons.
      1. svp67
        svp67 17 May 2013 08: 09 New
        +5
        Quote: xetai9977
        Unlike Russia and Armenia, which are allies for political reasons.
        The Armenian and Russian people are connected by a lot, including history, especially of the last decades ...
      2. potterz
        potterz 17 May 2013 08: 10 New
        -2
        Then what the hell are you barking at our country !? Shuruyte to Turkey!
        1. xetai9977
          xetai9977 17 May 2013 08: 41 New
          +6
          potterz
          Take the trouble to keep track of your vocabulary. Personally, I live in Baku and I'm not going to go to Russia. And in Azerbaijan, there are many Azerbaijanis working. And not only in the service sector (they are very much in demand, because they are fluent in Russian and Turkish.) One of my relatives works as the chief engineer at a large enterprise. But unethical words and an insulting tone have not yet been added to anyone respect.
      3. Don
        Don 17 May 2013 11: 39 New
        +1
        Quote: xetai9977
        We have one religion

        How can you have one religion if you are Shiites and Turks are Sunnis?
        1. xetai9977
          xetai9977 17 May 2013 11: 50 New
          +4
          For the Turks, unlike the Arabs, this does not play any role. In the Middle Ages, yes, there were excesses. And now many even find it difficult to answer whether they are Shiites or Sunnis.
        2. Yarbay
          Yarbay 17 May 2013 11: 58 New
          +1
          Quote: Don
          How can you have one religion if you are Shiites and Turks are Sunnis?

          Shiites and Sunnis - Muslims!
          I assure you there is not much difference between them!
          In the Western and Russian media, inflate artificially or unknowingly!
          1. Don
            Don 17 May 2013 13: 10 New
            +2
            Quote: Yarbay
            Shiites and Sunnis - Muslims!
            I assure you there is not much difference between them!
            In the Western and Russian media, inflate artificially or unknowingly!

            Yes, for me, as I think, for most Christians there is not much difference. Just explain this to the Islamists and ask them why the Sunnis and Shiites have been slaughtering each other for hundreds of years. It will be especially interesting to listen to Muslims of a Salafi persuasion. They are generally frostbitten. Radical Islam, it seems to me, is like a virus. Can infect anyone. Europe survived this back in the 17th century, when Catholics and Protestants slaughtered each other (30 year war), and in a number of Middle East states this is still happening.
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 17 May 2013 13: 23 New
              +1
              Quote: Don
              why Sunnis and Shiites have been slaughtering each other for hundreds of years.


              But basically the clashes were more clanish (in Pakistan, in Iraq)!
              The final document of the International Muslim Conference, held on July 4-6, 2005 in Amman (Jordan) under the motto "True Islam and its role in modern society"

              In the name of Allah the Merciful and the Merciful!
              Blessing and peace to our lord Muhammad and his family! “Oh people! Fear your Lord, who made you out of one soul ... ”(Quran 4: 1).
              In accordance with the fatwas (religious and theological conclusions) of the Supreme Imam Al-Azhar, the Mufti of Egypt, the Supreme Mufti of Oman, the Islamic Law Academy of Saudi Arabia, the Supreme Religious Council of Turkey, the Mufti and the Committee for Fatwas of Jordan, Shiite Maja (spiritual leaders) of the Ja'afarites and as well as Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani and Sheikh Yusuf al-Qardawi:
              1. Anyone who is a follower of one of the four Sunni madhhabs (Hanafi, Malikite, Shafiite, Hanbalite), Shiite movements of Jafaria, Zayed, as well as Ibadiy and Zakhir, is considered a Muslim.
              It is unacceptable to accuse him of unbelief, to encroach on his life, honor and property. In addition, it is forbidden to accuse adherents of asharism and those who practice true Sufism, continuing the traditions of their ancestors, in disbelief. In general, it is not permissible to classify atheists any group of Muslims who believe in Almighty Allah and His Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him!) Respect the tenets of religion, without rejecting any of them.
              2. Among the various areas of Islam, there is much in common. Adherents of the eight movements follow the basic Islamic principles, believing in the One Most High Allah, the holy Quran (the revealed Word of Allah), and our lord Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him!), The Prophet of all mankind. They also adhere to the five pillars of Islam (confession of faith, prayer, alms, fasting in the month of Ramadan, Hajj), recognize the five pillars of faith (in Allah, in His angels, in His Message, in His prophets (peace be upon them all), on Judgment Day , in predestination).
              The discrepancies between the ulama of these directions do not affect fundamental issues, but only particular ones. Moreover, the existence of differences in the views of the ulama is a positive phenomenon.

              3. Possession of knowledge of Islamic movements implies the need to adhere to the fundamental methodology of theology. No one has the right to make decisions on religious issues without understanding the specifics of each of the areas of Islam. No one is allowed to engage in independent theological activities in one direction or another, without adequate training, or to proclaim the emergence of a new trend, and to publish fatwas that would take Muslims outside the rules and principles of the doctrine established by the Sharia.
              4. The main idea of ​​the Amman message, adopted on the blessed night of Predestination in 1425 according to the Hijra and read out in the Hashemite mosque, is the admissibility of belonging to various streams and directions, recognition of their right to exist, recognition of the need for dialogue and interaction between their followers. This, in turn, implies a moderate approach, a search for mutual compromise, tolerance and condescension to each other, mercy and respect for the opinions of others.
              5. We call for the settlement of disagreements among Muslims, the unity of their statements and positions, the consolidation of their mutual respect, the solidarity of their peoples and states, the strengthening of fraternal ties so that there is no reason for confusion and division between them.
              Allah (praise be to Him) says: “Indeed, believers are brothers. Reconcile your brothers and fear Allah - maybe you will be merciful ”(Quran 49:10).
              Glory be to Allah!
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 17 May 2013 13: 28 New
                +2
                Quote: Yarbay
                It will be especially interesting to listen to Muslims of the Salafi persuasion

                not of a Salafi persuasion, but of Shaitanists who had nothing in common with the Sunnis!
                Do not confuse Wahhabis with Muslims!




                and here I wrote in detail about it!
                http://topwar.ru/27883-siriyu-budut-dobivat-izrail-i-turciya-mihail-osherov.html
                # comment-id-1154449
              2. Don
                Don 17 May 2013 16: 48 New
                +1
                Quote: Yarbay
                But basically the clashes were more clanish (in Pakistan, in Iraq)

                In Pakistan, yes, but in Iraq. In the south, Shiites, in the center of the Sunnis. They still have clashes. It is on religious grounds. And in Syria, radical Islamists Sunnis do not recognize the Alawites.
                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 17 May 2013 17: 37 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Don
                  In the south, Shiites, in the center of the Sunnis. They still have clashes. It is on religious grounds

                  Yes, it’s not so, you read the media less, they lie or don’t know what they are writing about !!
                  these are custom articles !!
                  Quote: Don
                  And in Syria, radical Islamists Sunnis do not recognize the Alawites.


                  There are no moderate or radical Sunnis !!
                  But the Alawites are not Shiites!
                  Take a look at more serious sources !!
                  Neither in Iraq, nor in any other country there is hostility between Sunnis and Shiites!
                  There are illiterate Muslims and young Wahhabis who have succumbed to agitation !!
                  Millions live in peace and create families, become relatives in Iraq too!
                  I know these questions better than you!
                  1. Don
                    Don 22 May 2013 13: 48 New
                    0
                    Quote: Yarbay

                    Yes, it’s not so, you read the media less, they lie or don’t know what they are writing about !!
                    these are custom articles !!

                    Actually, this is so. Everyone knows that Shiites live in southern Iraq, and in the center are Sunnis, and in the north are Sunni Kurds. According to your Euronews also buy? Watch their news on what's happening in Iraq.
                    Quote: Yarbay
                    There are no moderate or radical Sunnis !!

                    And the Salafis, in your opinion, are not radical Sunnis?
                    Quote: Yarbay
                    But the Alawites are not Shiites!

                    Are you saying this? So I am aware of this and wrote:
                    Quote: Don
                    And in Syria, radical Islamists Sunnis do not recognize the Alawites.

                    Quote: Yarbay
                    Neither in Iraq, nor in any other country there is hostility between Sunnis and Shiites!
                    There are illiterate Muslims and young Wahhabis who have succumbed to agitation !!
                    Millions live in peace and create families, become relatives in Iraq too!

                    Who cares, they thought of it, or who set it up, or campaigned, the fact is a fact. In Iraq, rallies and terrorist attacks. A clear confrontation between two religious denominations.
                2. Predskazamus
                  Predskazamus 20 June 2013 12: 40 New
                  0
                  The initiate knows that the division into Sunnis and Shiites went only because of political disagreements. The Arabs who took the side of the prophet’s grandchildren were called Shiites and Adjacent to opponents Sunnis. Conducting the shooting of Shiite settlements, and Sunni and accents to incite massacre. If my memory serves me right, even four were executed
        3. P-15
          P-15 17 May 2013 12: 03 New
          +3
          Well, you are Orthodox and Armenians are Gregorian
        4. Predskazamus
          Predskazamus 20 June 2013 12: 33 New
          0
          )))))))))))) we are all Muslims. And in Azerbaijan this is not a difference!
    3. bask
      bask 17 May 2013 08: 36 New
      +7
      Quote: svp67
      what country Azerbaijan chose as its allies. Russia, and especially Armenia, faces a lot

      Russia for the last 20 years. HOW MUCH ALLIES THROUGH THROUGH ????? BEFORE ... (MUCH))
      Turkey is not when Azerbaijan will not throw one nation.
      But, I'm talking about something else about armored vehicles.
      Who else 10 years ago heard anything about Turkish armored vehicles.?
      No one heard. Or it caused a condescending smile. And I did. But the smile quickly faded away. Code, I saw how the military-industrial complex of Turkey is developing. And oh .... l.
      AND THE MOST IMPORTANT THING, THERE ARE NOT WHICH ANYTHING THEM, here's the key to success + Western technology !!!!
      1. ayyildiz
        ayyildiz 17 May 2013 12: 11 New
        +3
        We mainly have private companies, or they belong to the army fund and it works, and the state, as always, is not very
      2. Don
        Don 17 May 2013 13: 13 New
        +2
        Quote: bask
        Russia for the last 20 years. HOW MUCH ALLIES THROUGH THROUGH ????? BEFORE ... (MUCH))

        Name at least one. Abkhazia and South Ossetia did not throw.
        1. bask
          bask 17 May 2013 13: 22 New
          +2
          Quote: Don
          Call at least one.

          Don, but you are a comedian however. 1. Yugoslavia, 2. Iraq-twice. 3. Livia. Kubu (
          economically) they brought out the bases go-yota. 80 miles from the coast of USA, Florida. Become Iskander, and not a missile defense system will help !!!
          Quote: Don
          bhazia and south ossetia

          But these are pipes-TERRITORY OF RUSSIA !!!!
          1. Don
            Don 17 May 2013 18: 09 New
            +1
            Quote: bask
            Don, but you are a comedian however. 1. Yugoslavia, 2. Iraq-twice. 3. Livia

            laughing Why did you think that you write about them. Comedian however you. Since when did Yugoslavia, let alone Iraq and Libya, become allies of the RF? The Russian Federation signed any union treaties with them? No. So what, they suddenly became friends of the Russian Federation? Only because they opposed the USA as allies cannot be called. Take Iraq and Libya and their dictators. One of his people mocked, the other went to bow to the EU, for which he paid. It was necessary to work with Russia, conclude an agreement, and do joint economic actions. Together with Venezuela, Iran and Algeria, it was possible to regulate oil prices. And they did what they wanted. Are these allies in your opinion? Take Yugoslavia. Yes, brothers Slavs and what? How many times in the 20th century harnessed for them, but no thanks. But in general, what do you offer? What did you have to do? Start a third world?
            Quote: bask
            Cuba (
            economically) brought bases id-yota.

            And Cuba with which ally? The Soviet Union - yes, for ideological reasons. To give them oil for free and give interest-free loans? The base was removed, there was no reason then, but if necessary, I think it will be possible to agree.
            Quote: bask
            But these are pipes-TERRITORY OF RUSSIA !!!!

            In this I completely agree.
        2. ramin_serg
          ramin_serg 13 January 2014 15: 15 New
          -1
          Neither Abkhazia nor South Ossetia are Russian friends but its Puppets
      3. Predskazamus
        Predskazamus 20 June 2013 12: 46 New
        0
        everything was adopted at the closed forum Turkey 2025. the tasks set to completely stop the import of all types of weapons. medium-range missiles have already been tested. distant is already on the way. Aselsan companies are a group of companies that are taking leaps and bounds in this area from robots, rockets, systems of proximity, electronics, shipbuilding, have produced training aircraft of their own production (all their own). And plus the highest spirit of patriotism in the ranks of both the Turkish army and their defense of all the results wait is not long !!
    4. Predskazamus
      Predskazamus 20 June 2013 12: 31 New
      0
      Russia needs Azerbaijan more than Armenia. This can be seen without eyes))))) Azerbaijan is economically independent, which largely determines the country's political course, and it is independent of Azerbaijan. The country is trying to make friends with everyone, although Russia more often takes the throne of Azerbaijan’s opponents nevertheless, Azerbaijan will never betray or exchange Russia due to 300 years of exchange and deep cultural penetration. You can’t say about Armenia. Armenia whispers louder and louder about land claims in relation to Russia and it’s more and more about the original lands of Armenia .and at any convenient situation will try to get out of the influence of Russia.
  3. treskoed
    treskoed 17 May 2013 07: 10 New
    0
    Why didn’t you buy the T-90? Apparently, the rollback was too heavy?
    1. svp67
      svp67 17 May 2013 07: 49 New
      0
      Quote: treskoed
      Why didn’t you buy the T-90? Apparently, the rollback was too heavy?

      No, apparently they want to be friends with another country more ...
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    2. bask
      bask 17 May 2013 08: 39 New
      +2
      Quote: treskoed
      Why didn’t you buy the T-90? Apparently, the rollback was too heavy?

      Maybe a rollback. But it will be real that Azerbaijan, not seeing modern proposals from Russia, will switch to armored vehicles, Turkish production.
      The tank, Altai, of course they won’t buy in thousands of units, a little expensive, but a few hundred.
      1. MilaPhone
        MilaPhone 17 May 2013 08: 45 New
        +4
        And I thought Azerbaijan had already bought the American Abrams or, what’s it in the photo, in the background.
        1. kNow
          kNow 17 May 2013 08: 47 New
          +6
          Quote: Milafon
          And I thought Azerbaijan had already bought the American Abrams or, what’s it in the photo, in the background.

          Photo taken in Iraq or Afghanistan
          1. MilaPhone
            MilaPhone 17 May 2013 08: 56 New
            +3
            That's it. Then it’s clear why the degeneration of the faces of your brave soldiers in the photo means "What the hell are we doing here."
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 17 May 2013 09: 03 New
              +2
              Quote: Milafon
              why the degeneration of the faces of your brave soldiers in the photo means "What the hell are we doing here."

              Well yes??)))))))))))))
              no expression anymore how good that we are here !!)))
              Democracy in good hands))))
              1. Yeraz
                Yeraz 17 May 2013 12: 10 New
                +2
                Quote: Yarbay
                Quote: Milafon
                why the degeneration of the faces of your brave soldiers in the photo means "What the hell are we doing here."

                Well yes??)))))))))))))
                no expression anymore how good that we are here !!)))
                Democracy in good hands))))

                Hello Alibek.
                Yes, you are directly surprised, it also says Ala bambili sekili tez cekdeee on their faces)))
                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 17 May 2013 12: 12 New
                  0
                  Quote: Yeraz
                  Yes, you surprise right

                  maybe you're right!))))
      2. Yarbay
        Yarbay 17 May 2013 08: 57 New
        +1
        Quote: bask
        Maybe a rollback. But it will be real that Azerbaijan, not seeing modern proposals from Russia, will switch to armored vehicles, Turkish production.

        In addition, technology will be easier!
        Yes, and you can jointly produce, all the more free money with us, unlike Turkey!
        But all this is not a very close prospect in my opinion!
      3. ayyildiz
        ayyildiz 17 May 2013 12: 34 New
        +2
        Most likely the joint production will be, not the purchase of the finished product!
    3. Scythian 35
      Scythian 35 17 May 2013 22: 29 New
      0
      This option with kickbacks is unlikely to pass, Aliyev buys equipment for himself, and for the protection of his own body, and after the events in Syria he will arm himself to the teeth and with high-quality equipment, since financial opportunities contribute to this. Secondly, Azerbaijan is looking for an ally in Turkey, as it is in a difficult situation, in Russia and Iran there are always some complaints, and with Armenia it is still at war.
  4. nevopros
    nevopros 17 May 2013 07: 22 New
    +1
    On tanks "altay" yes on Nagorno-Karabakh ??? Nooo. In the south, the goal will be more significant. And in general, no one will ask Azerbaijan whether he wants a war or not.
    1. bask
      bask 17 May 2013 08: 43 New
      +6
      Quote: nevopros
      On tanks "altay" yes on Nagorno-Karabakh ??? Nooo. In the south, the goal will be more significant. And in general, no one will ask Azerbaijan; he wants war or

      This tank is ideal for war in mountainous and hilly areas.
      Do not forget that the prototype ,, Altai ,, was the South Korean tank K-2, black panther ,, - a mountain tank. And was created by the Koreans just for the war on the Korean peninsula in the mountains.
  5. Scandinavian
    Scandinavian 17 May 2013 07: 26 New
    +1
    Nikoda did not see photographs of the wrecked Turkish armored vehicles (except for the cobra of South Ossetia) and tanks, no evidence of dynamic protection was seen on the BMP and the tank. Where is she or is she so camouflaged?
    1. bask
      bask 17 May 2013 08: 47 New
      +3
      Quote: Scandinavian
      The ode did not see photos of the wrecked Turkish armored vehicles (except for the cobra of South Ossetia) and tanks, I did not see any dynamic protection on the BMP and the tank. Where is she and

      But Turkish armored vehicles of 08.08.08 and 2013. These are completely different cars.
      For 5 years, a huge technological leap. In the design, metal processing, in the production of alloys. etc.
      We stand still, or rather degrade ((5 BMD-4M per year)) this is a mockery of a great country.
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 17 May 2013 08: 54 New
        +2
        Quote: bask
        But Turkish armored vehicles of 08.08.08 and 2013. These are completely different cars.
        For 5 years, a huge technological leap. In the design, metal processing, in the production of alloys. etc.

        In this I completely agree with you!
  6. Canep
    Canep 17 May 2013 07: 26 New
    0
    What to buy a pig in a poke (in armor) would have taken a better-proven T-90 tank. Yes, their specialists will not have to retrain too much.
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 17 May 2013 07: 33 New
      +2
      Quote: Canep
      What to buy a pig in a poke (in armor) would have taken a better-proven T-90 tank. Yes, their specialists will not have to retrain too much.

      this is perspective and production in Azerbaijan is possible!
      We have a developing defense industry, I think this is the case!
      and in the near future I think they will buy another tank!
      1. bask
        bask 17 May 2013 09: 32 New
        +2
        Quote: Yarbay
        it is perspective and production in Azerbaijan is possible

        The production of armored vehicles will be established.
        Azerbaijan already has experience in conjunction with licensed Paramaunt company from South Africa
        production MPAP ,, Marader ,, Matador ,, Modern armored vehicles, world-class.
        The main thing is already in the troops.
        Russia has a similar technique in the troops of the RA and VV MVD 00000.
        The only thing that is required is the construction of new turnkey plants with equipment and technologies.
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 17 May 2013 09: 47 New
          +5
          Quote: bask
          Russia has a similar technique in the troops of the RA and VV MVD 00000.
          The only thing that is required is the construction of new turnkey plants with equipment and technologies.

          You know, I am convinced that Russia has great potential, if there is political will in 6 months to develop and create such a technique !!
          I do not believe that in Russia there is no head that could create an advanced UAV!
          There are simply no organizers !!
          I do not want to say what I think!
        2. xetai9977
          xetai9977 17 May 2013 11: 45 New
          +2
          The Turkish side showed interest in acquiring Azerbaijani Matadors and Marauders. Their Navy company did not cope with the order for the KIRPI armored cars.
          1. ayyildiz
            ayyildiz 17 May 2013 12: 20 New
            +2
            Turkey is unlikely to buy them, there are enough of its own, and BMC is likely to be sold to Sabancı Holding, at least there are rumors
            1. xetai9977
              xetai9977 17 May 2013 12: 59 New
              +3
              Everything can be. At least talked about it at IDEX-2013
            2. ayyildiz
              ayyildiz 17 May 2013 17: 12 New
              +4


              Tulpar Trials
        3. Don
          Don 17 May 2013 13: 32 New
          +1
          Quote: bask
          Mrap, Marader, Matador, Modern world-class armored vehicles.
          The main thing is already in the troops.
          Russia has a similar technique in the troops of the RA and VV MVD 00000.

          The Russian Federation generally has 500 Tigors and 60 Lynxes. In addition, Typhoons, Wolves and Bears also enter the army.
          1. bask
            bask 18 May 2013 00: 24 New
            +1
            Quote: Don
            The Russian Federation generally has 500 Tigors and 60 Lynxes

            ,, Tiger ,, SMP-2M, armored car, without mine protection. voobsche.
            ,, Tiger ,, 6A ,, Wolf ,, Bear ,, have not been adopted by the RA and MVD.
            1. Don
              Don 22 May 2013 14: 12 New
              0
              Quote: bask
              ,, Tiger ,, SMP-2M, armored car, without mine protection. voobsche.

              At the exhibition "Transport in Mechanical Engineering - 2012", the modernized SPM-2M with special seats resembling mine action was demonstrated, but it was not announced separately about mine resistance, but this does not mean that it is not.
              The first samples entered the troops of the Tigris, but the rest. Are you sure that 6A is still not in the army?
              Quote: bask
              Wolf

              In 2014, the first pilot batch of machines is expected.
              Quote: bask
              Bear

              Customers from the MVD of the Ministry of Internal Affairs showed interest in the machine (in 2013 it is planned to supply them with a pilot batch of five vehicles), and developers also consider the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation as clients. However, the latter have already announced the upcoming until 2015 purchase of similar vehicles of the unified Typhoon family [6], which are more suitable for use by army units. The military-industrial company plans to start a full-scale serial production of the car in 2014.
              In addition, there is also the Lynx.
    2. Yeraz
      Yeraz 17 May 2013 12: 14 New
      +2
      Quote: Canep
      What to buy a pig in a poke (in armor) would have taken a better-proven T-90 tank. Yes, their specialists will not have to retrain too much.

      So buying anger always rests, there is money bought, Russia does not sell everything that Azerbaijan wants, there is a lot of politics here. But I think the Turkish tank will succeed, it’s easier in the sense that Russia needs a universal tank due to its vast territory with different natural conditions, the mountain Turks it is needed, and it is even more difficult for Azerbaijan, therefore, to create it in such a way when you know that the tank will fight under specific environmental conditions, and not in all.
  7. Rebus
    Rebus 17 May 2013 07: 27 New
    +6
    Azerbaijan plans to include Turkish tank Altay and other armored vehicles of Turkish production in its arsenal of its army

    I won’t be surprised if one day it is reported that Azerbaijan has become a Turkish province ...
    1. P-15
      P-15 17 May 2013 12: 19 New
      +3
      Do not wait lol
    2. Yeraz
      Yeraz 17 May 2013 12: 20 New
      +1
      Quote: Rebus
      Azerbaijan plans to include Turkish tank Altay and other armored vehicles of Turkish production in its arsenal of its army

      I won’t be surprised if one day it is reported that Azerbaijan has become a Turkish province ...

      We are much closer than Russians to Ukrainians or Belarusians. This is despite the fact that we have long been on opposite sides of the Cold War curtain. But it is too early to unite into one state, and no one will.
    3. Fidain
      Fidain 19 May 2013 00: 42 New
      +1
      Azerbajanci pust dumayut chto xotyat i kakie oni osobinie, no u Turcii svoi plani i svoi vidi na Azerbajan.Vi mozhete soglasica ili net, vremya pokazhit.
    4. Predskazamus
      Predskazamus 20 June 2013 12: 58 New
      0
      Vopscheto we are waiting for Turan))) rallying 300000000 Turks in one country !!
    5. lezgin
      lezgin 24 January 2014 04: 16 New
      0
      Azerbaijan is the Turkish province
  8. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 17 May 2013 07: 29 New
    +3
    But Russia is establishing military-technical cooperation with Turkey, it is Turkey that is arming Azeibardzhan, who, in turn, is a vassal of the United States, and along with Georgia, their nerves will be fluttered and not only on the southern borders of Russia.
    1. Fidain
      Fidain 19 May 2013 00: 44 New
      0
      Soversheno soglasen, kakoi smiosol vooruzhat Turciyu, kogda tak i ne snyat vapros o svabode Chernamorskogo flota i Interesam RF v zakavkazii i blizhnim vastoke
    2. Predskazamus
      Predskazamus 20 June 2013 13: 17 New
      0
      It seems to be a person of age and write this. The USA, even if one place is torn to its petals, but Russia will not allow Azerbaijan to go under control. How can it be a vassal if 99 percent of the military equipment is MAID IN RASHA. And the population of Azerbaijan is mostly about the Russian than the ABM USA. The only thing that doesn’t suit the population is Russia's position in the conflict with Armenia. 300 years to the region Hand of Russia Settled from Persia Syria Turkey to the Azerbaijani lands Armenians This is a fact. Given in 1918 Iravan (Yerevan) for the capital of Armenia, in 1948-53 Azerbaijanis from Armenia were massively evicted along the entire border with Turkey, which, despite the difficulties of the Armenians, nevertheless constituted a majority. This was remembered by all the guards, given that our old people have lived in the mountains for 120 years))) it’s natural, given the peculiarities of the country's family structure, all this is remembered and painfully perceived .And despite the fact that Armenia is not an ally but a vassal, taking into account the signing by the Armenian government of the transfer of all military and strategically important facilities under full control of the Russian Federation, Armenia does not hide its Pro American Desires and, in any convenient situation, will try to get out of Russian influence. Another matter is Azerbaijan. We can provide guarantees and place Russian bases on our territory. The population is bigger. The economy is stronger. And there are still more interests and potentials. But the government. Russia As the Baku Cantract of the Century was stolen in the 90s. So now, ruled by Armenian people to the detriment of the country, Azerbaijan repels us. And we, unlike Armenia, have never climbed the bosom of Russia, like the rest of the Caucasus.
  9. Dmitry 2246
    Dmitry 2246 17 May 2013 07: 49 New
    +1
    Morally destroying someone else’s equipment is easier.
    Armenia is under our protection.
    The choice is not ours.
  10. pinecone
    pinecone 17 May 2013 07: 58 New
    0
    No wonder. They have common interests, the oil pipeline from Baku goes through Georgia to the Turkish Mediterranean port of Ceyhan, etc.
    To the author. There is no "region" of Sarykamysh. This is just the name of a small town in eastern Turkey (Kars District), in which the 9th motorized brigade is deployed, which still uses the well-preserved barracks of the imperial army. There is also a training ground.
  11. xmike
    xmike 17 May 2013 11: 24 New
    +1
    I do not like the name of this tank (Altai) hints at not good .....
    1. xetai9977
      xetai9977 17 May 2013 11: 56 New
      0
      This is not what you thought. Altai is the name of the Turkish general.
    2. Yeraz
      Yeraz 17 May 2013 12: 25 New
      +3
      Quote: xmike
      I do not like the name of this tank (Altai) hints at not good .....

      Well, the Türks are to blame for the fact that these places in Russia with Türkic names, and therefore in the people themselves, have all this been preserved? Name Altai and other Türkic names, which are abundant in Russia among all Türks. This should be normal. Our language is Türkic meet locally.
    3. Ram chandra
      Ram chandra 17 May 2013 14: 26 New
      +2
      Actually, many nations have come from Altai. Not only the Turks - and even the Japanese! And even Koreans!
    4. lezgin
      lezgin 24 January 2014 04: 13 New
      0
      it's purely turkish
  12. ayyildiz
    ayyildiz 17 May 2013 17: 02 New
    +2


    Sea trials
  13. Fidain
    Fidain 19 May 2013 00: 36 New
    0
    Pokupaite chto xotite, na vas ne kto ne napadyot, yesli ne vi sami! Texnika eto ochen xorosho, no samoe glavnoe eto eto dux soldata, oficera i ix umeniya voevat. Gruzinskaya armiya tozhe bila voorushena savrimenoi texnikoi i ona tak chto operativno vsyo brosila i sbezhala !!!
    1. Predskazamus
      Predskazamus 20 June 2013 13: 23 New
      0
      compared horseradish with a finger))))) 145,000,000th nuclear superpower and 5000,000th country without any resources)))
    2. lezgin
      lezgin 24 January 2014 04: 11 New
      -1
      NATO instructors worked with Georgians, issued NATO weapons ... and of course, Turkish tanks and armored cars
  14. lezgin
    lezgin 24 January 2014 04: 08 New
    -1
    but besides Azerbaijan, who else buys Turkish weapons?
    in georgia during 08 08 08 all turkish tanks and armored cars broke, do not even repair