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In the United States launched the production of "T-72", "T-80" and "BMP-2"

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In the United States launched the production of "T-72", "T-80" and "BMP-2"
"T-80BV" American



In the US Army in the course of combat training, traditionally, great attention is paid to ensuring that the enemy (OPFOR - Opposing Force) looks realistic. Therefore, in the 80s, the so-called "Soviet 32 Guards Motor Rifle Regiment", deployed at the Fort Irwin National Training Center located in the American Mojave Desert, arrived from the Middle East T-55, T-62, BMP- 1 and other production technology of the USSR. Later, after the collapse of the Soviet bloc, T-72 and BMP-2 appeared, real Mi-2, Mi-8 and Mi-24 helicopters.

"T-72": recalls the original


However, the operation of foreign military equipment was accompanied by a lot of difficulties, the main of which was the lack of the required number of spare parts. As a result, for a cheaper designation of units of the Soviet army, the United States was forced to begin production of the T-72 and other equipment resembling a potential enemy’s weaponry — the Soviet army. Since in the 1978, the Sheridan light tank M551 was removed from service, and more than a thousand and a half such vehicles were stored in warehouses, then as a base for the creation of VISMOD, visually modified combat vehicles similar to enemy armored vehicles.

This imitation 2C1 "Carnation"


As a result, hundreds of units of "enemy equipment" began to roll over a giant training ground located not far from the valley of Death. Equipped with laser imitators of defeat, satellite navigation sensors, they made it possible to imitate realistic combat operations. Information about everything happening on the battlefield flowed into the command center, and those who led the training process could see in real time how the units of the US ground forces were fighting against the "cunning aggressor."

Some kind of ZSU-23-4 "Shilka"


The servicemen of the 32nd GMPP were dressed in a stylized Soviet uniform. After the USSR left the political arena by the will of mediocre politicians, various despotic regimes, such as Iraqi, began to play the role of “adversary”. True, when instead of the T-72 mockups the T-80BV appeared, it immediately became clear that, despite talking about peace and friendship, the US military was already considering the armies of Russia, Ukraine and Belarus as an adversary. In large quantities, these Tanks were in service with only these countries and were not exported at that time.

In this freak, it is difficult to identify the BMP-1


Of course, directly near the imitation of the Soviet tanks did not look very believable. Especially a lot of controversy caused by the version of "Sheridan", decorated under the BMP-1. On it, besides the actual mock-ups of the cannon and ATGM “Baby”, little resembled the original. With T-72 VISMOD and T-80 VISMOD was a little better. From a few hundred meters, they could really be taken as originals.


"T-80BV" next to "Abrams"

In 90-s, when the resource "Sheridanov" began to be developed, the total mass of enemy vehicles was diluted with "Abrasy". On the tower M-1 appeared imitations of dynamic protection "Contact" and inscriptions, often meaningless, in Russian.


Another imitation of "eighty dozen"

As before, Soviet military equipment was used. But even here it often came up to curiosities, so it was decided to modernize “T-72М1” with imitation of dynamic protection. However, for some reason, they took ... T-80BV as a role model. As a result, "seventy-two" received not only tin boxes, but also a massive sham pipe of equipment for underwater driving, like the "eighty-ten."


T-80BV

"Sheridans" were used until the full use of the resource. When the operation of these tanks became impossible at all, mock-ups of Soviet technology began to be made based on M-113 armored personnel carriers. It happened the other way around, the BMP-2 began to look more like the original, but the T-80 layouts began to look like real monsters.

Technique of the Soviet 32 Guards Motorized Rifle Regiment


It is possible that in the near future, apart from imitations of the Russian technology, Americans will start to do something very similar to that produced in the PRC.

M-113 chassis look parody


M-113 turned into BMP-2


German imitation of the T-80U tank on the basis of "Leopard-2А4"
Originator:
http://www.vestnik-rm.ru/index.php?module=news&act=show&c=4&id=3025
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  1. neodymium
    neodymium 17 May 2013 08: 17 New
    21
    And what, looks like:
    (like a pig on a hedgehog)

    Clowns
    I don’t get it, dildos.
    1. wk
      wk 17 May 2013 08: 23 New
      +2
      This clowning is somewhat reminiscent of the attempts of Soviet filmmakers in the films "Liberation" and "The Great Commander Zhukov" to portray German and domestic equipment of the Second World War.
      1. Andy
        Andy 17 May 2013 09: 06 New
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        Quote: wk
        clowning is somewhat reminiscent of the attempts of Soviet filmmakers in the films "Liberation" and "The Great Commander Zhukov" to portray German, and even domestic, equipment during the Second World War.


        as I put on my belt, I’m dumb and dumb, this is about you, wk.
        The "clowning" of the film "Liberation" is connected with the lack of original technology of those years. But even in the imitation of a tiger, the features of a real tank were guessed (we won't touch the chassis features, it's easier to make a tiger then). battalion T34 arr 42-43 for the battle of Kursk and t34 arr 1940 and arr 1941 for the film "Battle of Moscow"? no? it’s strange for you to get a piece of equipment ...

        1. wk
          wk 17 May 2013 09: 30 New
          +1
          hell didn’t guess there, it’s very clumsy done .... with the then budgets and the ability to make half a dozen layouts it cost nothing and with cinematic techniques to make the scene massive ..... and the battle scenes themselves are not shown realistically - clumsy
          1. Andy
            Andy 17 May 2013 09: 35 New
            +8
            if in the shape of the tower you cannot distinguish a tiger from t34 — your problems. and a full chassis shift under the original construction of a new tank. wild waste.
            I no longer consider it necessary to develop the topic.
            1. wk
              wk 17 May 2013 09: 49 New
              +1
              Yes, not a chassis alteration ... in the cinema there is a school for building mock-ups, cheap and practical .... if a real tank weighs 40 tons, then a layout for more than 2 tons.
              1. Andy
                Andy 17 May 2013 09: 57 New
                +8
                I tried to send a photo of the real tiger and the release from the film, but the photo didn’t appear here, why I don’t know (it was easier and more convenient to remake the site). So the alteration of the tank successfully represents the tiger. gives out the chassis, but about it I already spoke 10 times.
                1. wk
                  wk 17 May 2013 10: 10 New
                  -13
                  yes, if only the Tiger ... damn it, in the movie "I am a Russian soldier" probably full of blunders, but for some reason I do not notice them .... why? ... because the movie is good .... and "liberation" and the "great great" especially the complete .dr mo
                  1. REZMovec
                    REZMovec 17 May 2013 15: 13 New
                    +7
                    Go, proprietor, look "Rambo" - everything is realistic and directed at 5 s + ohm. NIT!!!
                2. Kars
                  Kars 17 May 2013 11: 18 New
                  +5
                  Quote: Andy
                  tried to send ph

                  http://www.softmixer.com/2011/08/blog-post_06.html
                  1. Andy
                    Andy 17 May 2013 11: 40 New
                    0
                    I downloaded a couple of pictures on the computer, and wanted to attach it to the post. So the post itself did not go through. I did not understand what I did wrong (it turned out before) request
                3. Dim Dim
                  Dim Dim 17 May 2013 21: 32 New
                  0
                  And if you look at the BLOCKADE Film also during the production period, you are not surprised by the abundance of IS-3 on the Leningrad Front in 1941 and 1942. In general, films should, if they pretend to be historical documentaries, must correspond to the historical era, and not mislead those who look, as our army was defeated with such technology. Nowadays, the possibilities of filmmakers in terms of modeling technology have increased by several orders of magnitude (in films about that period, computer graphics are very common), but the general level of knowledge of technology by both directors and programmers working on their orders leads to rather curious mistakes. in the opinion of those who understand what is at stake, for the rest it seems to be absolutely indifferent.
              2. Andy
                Andy 17 May 2013 11: 36 New
                +2

                "wk (1) RU  Today, 09:49 ↑
                yes, not alteration of the chassis ... in the cinema there is a school of building models, cheap and practical .... if a real tank weighs 40 tons, then the layout is more than 2 tons. "

                are we kidding in addition to the actual type of layout for battle scenes, you also need to drive. now estimate the cost of the layout equipped with an engine and transmission. in fact, the construction of a new tank, with the exception of armor protection and weapons. but a rotating tower is still needed. and you need not one but 20 pieces -30. This is exactly how the tank attack in liberation was removed.
      2. wk
        wk 17 May 2013 09: 08 New
        -17
        yes, these plywood tanks are miserable just as much - how miserable are the films "liberation" and "the great commander Zhukov" in particular, where all the eminent commanders are exhibited simply by some kind of freaks against the background of Zhukov, and Stalin and Beria are just doing everything possible to the defeat of the USSR ... Budyonny (in reality, showing himself to be a very competent commander) in the cinema is exhibited by no down, not an idiot ... and only Zhukov is in charge of all this gathering ... you understand, I'm not against Zhukov, well, just one lie in the frame strikes another.
        1. Andy
          Andy 17 May 2013 09: 27 New
          +3
          Sorry, but isn't the General Staff coordinating the actions of the front commanders? I haven’t seen Rokosovsky being put up as an idiot, not as idiots as an opponent. Hitler is an exception (but he was a psychopath in life and was shaking).
          1. wk
            wk 17 May 2013 09: 40 New
            0
            I'm talking about the late film "the great commander Zhukov" (it uses film footage of "liberation") look, when Zhukov enters Budyonny's headquarters, a moronic expression on his face .... everyone is confused, everyone is talking nonsense ... Beria dreams of shooting everyone , and Stalin dreams of shooting Beria .... the film was shot in the tradition of Hollywood parodies of the USSR ... I'd better watch 18 episodes of the "great war", even if there is animation by 50% but similar to the truth
            1. klimpopov
              klimpopov 17 May 2013 11: 29 New
              +9
              In the United States launched the production of "T-72", "T-80" and "BMP-2"

              It would seem that where does the Liberation, Soviet generals and Hitler?
              And it turns out.
              Mmm, you probably stick models?
              But tell me why, for example, in modern films with an even larger budget, they continue to shoot plywood boxes and Krauts with "Schmeisers"?
              But the Vereochochkin case did not find support? (Verevochkin (the Kingdom of Heaven) was engaged in the construction of accurate models of armored vehicles)
              And you didn’t have a silent question “why on the Victory Day they showed on NTV (in my opinion) a film of an armored train with some criminals”?
              Liberation is a good movie. (IMHO) Although it’s filmed according to the academic canons of history that had settled under Khrushchev (this was the time), but the story shown there is very moving and makes your eyes wet ...
              1. klimpopov
                klimpopov 17 May 2013 12: 01 New
                +9
                Okay, I’ll answer it myself. Because in modern cinema about the Second World War no one is interested in authenticity. For everything is politicized and aimed at demonizing the Soviet regime. This is for short. And now they’re not making films about the Great Patriotic War, now they are making a film about some other, mythical, Germany’s outlook with the hated regime of Stalin ... Something like this ... In short.
                Although I still hope to discuss with you.
                1. wk
                  wk 17 May 2013 12: 48 New
                  +2
                  easily ..... so I say why in the movie "the great Zhukov" Budyonny is shown as an aboltus? Have you read my comments? .... yes, in general, there are very few films about the war .... of the documentaries, the best I think is "the great war" 2010-2012 18 episodes, and from the feature films "in war, as in war", "I'm a Russian soldier "," ballad about a soldier "," check on the roads ".... well, there is still difficult to remember right away.
                  1. klimpopov
                    klimpopov 17 May 2013 12: 59 New
                    +1
                    In a personal unsubscribe. Forgive the moders :)
                    1. astra
                      astra 17 May 2013 14: 36 New
                      +2
                      Yeah ... amers openly do not hesitate to make us enemies, but for some reason we call them potential, probable opponents. It's time for us, too, to openly imitate targets for the American army.
            2. Svyatoslavovich
              Svyatoslavovich 17 May 2013 18: 45 New
              +2
              If you carefully and thoughtfully watch all the subsequent films after Ozerov's "RELEASE", then you notice that firstly he composed more of old material than filmed new, secondly, Liberation itself was filmed for him by other directors, or he took ready-made plot solutions from other films , and thirdly, as it gradually imperceptibly, but more and more frankly, with each film, liberal-disidense-Solzhenitsenskie crap comes out. The conclusion is that Ozerov is an old political larva.
          2. Papakiko
            Papakiko 17 May 2013 15: 36 New
            +1
            Quote: Andy
            Hitler exception (but he himself was a psychopath in life and was shaking).

            This breaking is called in certain circles. wink
      3. reichsmarshal
        reichsmarshal 17 May 2013 22: 13 New
        +2
        Soviet filmmakers con. 40s used captured German equipment (see "Battle of Stalingrad")
      4. maxbrov74
        maxbrov74 18 May 2013 00: 09 New
        0
        They don’t laugh at the saint
    2. Gladiatir-zlo
      Gladiatir-zlo 19 May 2013 15: 13 New
      0
      But shaw, the imagination gimmick is cunning, and what to teach gunners, they don’t care from 1500 meters
    3. OTAKE
      OTAKE 7 June 2013 17: 04 New
      +2
      It would be better in the comp. games played with models of Soviet tanks, and cheaper and simpler
  2. Canep
    Canep 17 May 2013 08: 20 New
    0
    Circus. It was easier to buy a T-72 and BMP-2 or exchange it for your armored vehicles. I think our generals would not object to such an exchange. And they would use them for the same purpose.
    1. Kars
      Kars 17 May 2013 08: 40 New
      +4
      Quote: Canep
      Circus. It was easier to buy a T-72 and BMP-2 or exchange it for your armored vehicles.

      At 70-80?
      Quote: Canep
      I think our generals would not mind such an exchange

      And the KGB would really mind.
      1. Kars
        Kars 17 May 2013 08: 49 New
        +1
        So that I don’t post a lot I will give a link to the shushpanzer
        http://shushpanzer-ru.livejournal.com/tag/opfor
      2. Kars
        Kars 17 May 2013 11: 22 New
        +1
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          Kars 17 May 2013 11: 23 New
          +1
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            Kars 17 May 2013 11: 23 New
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    2. bask
      bask 17 May 2013 08: 56 New
      +5
      Quote: Canep
      Circus. It was easier to buy a T-72 and BMP-2 or exchange it for your armored vehicles. I think our generals would not age

      Now they are doing so. The article is about the 80 moves of the 20th century.
      In Iraq alone, the amers got thousands of units of Soviet armored vehicles.
      1. Rustam
        Rustam 17 May 2013 10: 33 New
        +2
        You say it right (in Libya and in Iraq)! a good article with interesting photos, but that's all until the beginning of the 90s

        after the collapse of the USSR, the USA did not have problems with obtaining original samples from the former USSR

        one of the facts is that in 1993 Russia signed a contract for the supply of a small batch of armaments - T-80U, BMP-3, etc., but then all this turned out to be first in England and then in the USA

        Here is the latest news-date 2003
        -80UD, supplied by Ukraine in the amount of four units to the USA in 2003. The tanks were equipped with Knife reactive armor modules and a Drozd series of active protection systems. The vehicles are located at the Aberdeen Training Center, Maryland, of the US Army and have been used for testing and evaluations.


        Photos - Aberdeen Maryland Training Center (no comment)
      2. Prohor
        Prohor 17 May 2013 11: 32 New
        +6
        What about the exchange? In Russia, it seems, there is not a single modern "friendly" tank. But for 80-ku at the Aberdeen training ground - it is necessary to kill without trial or investigation, including Ukrainians.
        1. bask
          bask 17 May 2013 11: 50 New
          +3
          Quote: Prokhor
          exchange account do that? In Russia, it seems, there is not a single modern "friendly" tank

          And who is Russia that sells like that, not when there will be no exchange.
          It is necessary to actively develop economic intelligence. Where legally, as with South Africa, France, Italy, Finland, Germany, to wrap up modern technologies through a commission (Bribe).
          The issue of mass and relatively cheap production of armored vehicles MPAP, BTR, Swedish SEP-17-24 tons is ideal for the BMD-5 on the main gun and wheeled chassis, but along the way, we don’t need anyone. Only, CUTS AND ROLLERS. ,, Vse.More they are not interested in anything.
          1. klimpopov
            klimpopov 17 May 2013 12: 14 New
            +1
            Oh, I get it, it just dawned on me. Iveks bought to simulate the NATO troops))))))) Serdyukov, ay, you can safely otmazatsya wassat
            1. bask
              bask 17 May 2013 12: 47 New
              +1
              Quote: klimpopov
              lo. Iveks bought to simulate NATO troops

              Eveki-Lynx is a hawn.
              The Italians have more. BTR for the Marine Corps, developed-modernized jointly. BAE Systems and Iveco. MPC is an enlarged version of Super AV. It provides ballistic and anti-mine protection of the STANAG-4 level. The armored hull uses the latest composite armor materials. Buoyancy up to 3 points is provided by two screws in the rear of the hull. Engine power is 550 l / s. Cruising range 500 cells.
              These were Iveka had to be bought !!! And not every yo-nu! am

            2. klimpopov
              klimpopov 17 May 2013 13: 34 New
              +1
              Comrades, sometimes you need to turn on the sarcasmometer, it's easier to live like that :)
        2. Rustam
          Rustam 17 May 2013 12: 48 New
          0
          questions with independent Ukraine repeat



          Here is another photo of the T-80UD before being sent to its new customer (US Army) -Ukraine 2003


          PS- my friends do not think that someone will blame the same Ukraine! Since there are no orders from the same Russian Federation for these tanks, we must somehow survive and work-commerce
          1. rolik
            rolik 17 May 2013 14: 47 New
            +2
            Quote: Rustam
            Here is another photo of the T-80UD before being sent to its new customer (US Army) -Ukraine 2003

            And it's good that Armata is being done here, and not in a "creative union" with Independence. And he again would sell several products to "partners".
          2. Yemelya
            Yemelya 17 May 2013 19: 24 New
            +1
            Quote: Rustam
            Here is another photo of the T-80UD before being sent to its new customer (US Army) -Ukraine 2003

            In my opinion, all the same T-84.

            I will assume that out of those ten that were made for the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
        3. Kars
          Kars 17 May 2013 13: 32 New
          +5
          Quote: Prokhor
          In Russia, it seems, there is not a single modern "friendly" tank. But for 80-ku at the Aberdeen training ground - it is necessary to kill without trial or investigation, including Ukrainians.

          And this is said by the representative of the country for the debts that sold the T-80U to the Republic of Korea, and not the north but the South))) Belarus also continued to do something. Not saying that when the Soviet troops were withdrawn from Germany they sold everything they could, including KVV and missiles.
          1. klimpopov
            klimpopov 17 May 2013 13: 52 New
            +3
            Yes, as they say, everyone is good ... Everyone dragged, everyone stole. This can be called reparations to some extent. Did you lose the cold? So?

            ... There is such a profession, to sell the homeland ...
          2. Rustam
            Rustam 17 May 2013 13: 53 New
            +1
            90th years - survived as best they could - then the sale of the USSR’s heritage was great
            1. bask
              bask 17 May 2013 14: 09 New
              +5
              Quote: Rustam
              90th years - survived as best they could - then the sale of the USSR’s heritage was great

              Yes, and today, how has the situation radically changed?
              They are also ready to sell everything to potential, “friends.” RPG-32,, Hashim, sold to Jordan, they donated for study in SySHA. And soon from our RPG-32, militants, our T-72Ms will be burned. Syrian tanks, a hundred pounds! COMMERCE b ..

              We still have 000 in the army.
              1. klimpopov
                klimpopov 17 May 2013 14: 17 New
                +1
                The most nasty thing about all this is that we don’t bring God will have to fight with his own weapons to a greater extent, that is, make weapons that will exceed our own models ...
              2. Rustam
                Rustam 17 May 2013 14: 20 New
                +1
                why joint joint ventures with mutual benefit is one thing, for example, if it weren’t for the sheikhs from the UAE, there probably wouldn’t be such a system as Shell1s


                another example where we stupidly transmit- M
                to China alone how much was transmitted even in the 2000s - and then we are surprised
                whence on their BMP towers Bahcha (own production), an analogue of Yak-130, torn list to infinity

                Photo Chinese BMP - Find differences from our BMP-3
                1. rolik
                  rolik 17 May 2013 14: 50 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Rustam
                  Chinese BMP-Find differences from our BMP-3

                  And I found the MAIN difference from our car ...... from the mechanical drive hatch the head of the Chinese sticks out fool
                  1. bask
                    bask 17 May 2013 16: 17 New
                    +4
                    Quote: rolik
                    .... from the hatch of the mechvoda the head of the Chinese sticks out

                    In the Russian hat Ushanka. laughing
                    And MTO in the nose. Aft entrance output.
                    1. rolik
                      rolik 17 May 2013 20: 07 New
                      +4
                      Quote: bask
                      In the Russian hat Ushanka.

                      But ask for a hat. In all severity, this is already completely shameless plagiarism. The yellow brothers were completely overgrown am
                2. Yemelya
                  Yemelya 17 May 2013 21: 15 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Rustam
                  Chinese BMP-Find differences from our BMP-3


                  engine ahead
  3. Dima190579
    Dima190579 17 May 2013 08: 23 New
    +2
    My view of imitation is needed only if the personal strength of the aircraft is so stupid that if I do not see the real enemy equipment during training, then during the battle I won’t wake the enemy in person.
    My opinion is another way to spend folk money.
    1. Kars
      Kars 17 May 2013 08: 47 New
      +2
      Quote: Dima190579
      if the personal strength of the aircraft is so stupid that if I do not see the enemy’s real equipment during training, then during the battle I won’t wake the enemy in person

      true?
      1. Kars
        Kars 17 May 2013 08: 48 New
        +2
        T-55 depicting "Centurion":
        1. Kars
          Kars 17 May 2013 08: 51 New
          +2
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          1. Dima190579
            Dima190579 17 May 2013 08: 58 New
            0
            Thanks for the very interesting and as I understand it rare photos. I sincerely did not know that in the USSR they also imitated the technique of a potential enemy.
            Well, everything is exactly the word do not sparrow fly out not to catch
            1. vladimirZ
              vladimirZ 17 May 2013 09: 32 New
              +4
              In the Soviet Union, they found a cheaper way to imitate the military equipment of their potential adversary. Cheap and cheerful.
              1. kostiknet
                kostiknet 17 May 2013 11: 23 New
                0
                how static targets will go, because in battle you only need a recognizable silhouette of enemy equipment (we’ll omit all sorts of gadgets like ours / not ours), but such a stuffed animal will not work in dynamics repeat Yes, and the effectiveness of the defeat when firing at such a layout only at the level of hit / miss.
  4. Bykov.
    Bykov. 17 May 2013 08: 47 New
    0
    Well, krivoruky freaks, if not for the caption under the photo, I would never have guessed ...
  5. Denis_SF
    Denis_SF 17 May 2013 08: 48 New
    +9
    Remember these bizarre imitations? And indeed the whole film is just a fucking tin ..
    1. kostiknet
      kostiknet 17 May 2013 11: 26 New
      +3
      frontal contours of the body like that of the PTSAU Ob.704 lol And our soldiers (in their opinion) wear "earflaps" all year round and do not take pictures in the bathhouse fool
      1. Denis_SF
        Denis_SF 17 May 2013 13: 22 New
        +1
        Quote: kostiknet
        frontal contours of the body like that of the PTSAU Ob.704 lol And our soldiers (in their opinion) wear "earflaps" all year round and do not take pictures in the bathhouse fool

        not only in earflaps, but even before the heap in the winter lump)
        1. gorsten79
          gorsten79 17 May 2013 22: 02 New
          +1
          This is a parade - in honor of November 7 - in the cinema, autumn in an occupied American town, here and in the winter one. But this comrade's sunglasses, and even passing in front of the authorities, he will command- "LOOK LEFT!" Probably meant "alignment to the left ..." But just the Mi-24 in this movie are very similar to the original.-Mi-24A. With a rectangular cabin, again, the glasses are tinted ... Maybe from Egypt or they were not exported at all, only 250 were released. And the film is 1984. The Cold War is in full swing ...
    2. klimpopov
      klimpopov 17 May 2013 11: 33 New
      0
      Um ... What's this "interesting" movie?
      1. Denis_SF
        Denis_SF 17 May 2013 13: 20 New
        +2
        Quote: klimpopov
        Um ... What's this "interesting" movie?

        Red Dawn (1984) - this is up the Hollywood star, something like Rambo 3, though it turned out more.
        1. klimpopov
          klimpopov 17 May 2013 14: 01 New
          +3
          Oh thanks! Already pulling off the net. In the evening I’ll try to laugh at a beer. Friday though. laughing
    3. prophet190
      prophet190 17 May 2013 14: 45 New
      +1
      And I remember this wonderful comedy. The first comedic experience of the then-young Charlie Sheen.
  6. Terrible ensign
    Terrible ensign 17 May 2013 08: 55 New
    0
    If I may say so: she smiled very hard ...
    Yes, in our school, too, there were imitations on the target field - redistribution for Amers and Germans from our PT-76, Su-100 and, in my opinion, from 55 matches ...
  7. SIBIR38RUS
    SIBIR38RUS 17 May 2013 09: 15 New
    0
    Yes, let them imitate !!! Our t-72, t-80, bmd-shki and behi with 80-kami lightning tanks ----------- this is the last thing that NATO will see before their excruciating death. Therefore, let those who kill and kill them be remembered soon! Glory to Russia! We will win!!!
    1. Prohor
      Prohor 17 May 2013 11: 37 New
      0
      They won a long time ago! Coca-Cola, McDonalds, consumer psychology and licentiousness and immorality under the guise of freedom. Watch TV!
      1. Led1989
        Led1989 17 May 2013 13: 26 New
        +3
        I don’t see what the victory is? They are all that you listed just cleaned the ranks of the Slavs from rot and weak people. Now is not the 90s, there is no trace of a craze for Western ideology.
        1. prophet190
          prophet190 17 May 2013 14: 48 New
          +1
          I agree. Now we have become much more attentive and meaner to the west. At my work, almost everyone is happy with any star in the USA.
  8. ed65b
    ed65b 17 May 2013 10: 33 New
    +1
    Well done. ours, too, need to shoot on exercises for probable friends. interesting howling strong rise? Will they stigmatize the regime again?
  9. _KM_
    _KM_ 17 May 2013 10: 42 New
    +1
    Quote: Denis_SF
    Remember these bizarre imitations? And indeed the whole film is just a fucking tin ..


    What movie?
    1. Standard Oil
      Standard Oil 17 May 2013 11: 36 New
      +2
      "Red Dawn" is likely.
      1. prophet190
        prophet190 17 May 2013 14: 49 New
        +2
        Not sooner as it is. But just do not confuse with the remake of this year (there is that heresy-USA attacked by North Korea!)
  10. USNik
    USNik 17 May 2013 11: 24 New
    +4
    "Shilka" and m113 in the form of BMP2 are still ok, but from everything else you can only smile and twirl your finger at your temple fool With such maketami they are more likely to shoot themselves and all their NATO allies good (PS I'm afraid to even imagine what they made a copy of MI-24 from belay )
    1. prophet190
      prophet190 17 May 2013 14: 54 New
      0
      Look, don’t fall off the chair.
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  11. Prohor
    Prohor 17 May 2013 11: 43 New
    0
    They say that for the "White Tiger" they made somewhere in Samara an awesome layout of the T-VI, but the layout from IS was included in the film. Does anyone know what about this?
    1. Syrdon
      Syrdon 17 May 2013 13: 29 New
      0
      did not have time to turn in by the deadline so I didn’t get into the picture
    2. family tree
      family tree 17 May 2013 16: 42 New
      +1
      Quote: Prokhor
      They say that for the "White Tiger" they made somewhere in Samara an awesome layout of the T-VI, but the layout from IS was included in the film. Does anyone know what about this?

      http://forum.worldoftanks.ru/index.php?/topic/750188-%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%B3%D1%80-vi

      -%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B4%D0%B0-%D0%BB%D1%8E%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%B9-%D1%8

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      here
  12. Sirocco
    Sirocco 17 May 2013 12: 07 New
    0
    As a result, all these "locomotives" are on the side track. And the war is going on, real, in social networks and the media, but they are already using other "equipment" and "weapons."
  13. _KM_
    _KM_ 17 May 2013 12: 32 New
    +2
    Quote: Standard Oil
    "Red Dawn" is likely


    Thanks. I’ll look.
  14. Vened
    Vened 17 May 2013 13: 20 New
    +5
    It would be interesting to see in our exercises an imitation of abrams and leopards, although it seems to me that Russia has more chances to encounter Soviet-made or so-produced equipment in possible local conflicts.
  15. cth; fyn
    cth; fyn 17 May 2013 15: 41 New
    +1
    With such imitation, in the case of the "H" day, we have nothing to fear, we simply will not be recognized.
  16. xomaNN
    xomaNN 17 May 2013 17: 06 New
    0
    Well, the Americans have the abyss of money, they can afford to build up the 32nd Motorized Rifle Regiment of the SA at home. Enviously?
  17. region34
    region34 17 May 2013 17: 26 New
    0
    Quote: wk
    This clowning is somewhat reminiscent of the attempts of Soviet filmmakers in the films "Liberation" and "The Great Commander Zhukov" to portray German and domestic equipment of the Second World War.

    yes, even in saving the "Ryadov region" the Americans also could not find the original and in a heavy tank driving down the street a usual t54 is guessed
  18. ed1968
    ed1968 17 May 2013 18: 13 New
    +1
    it will not hurt us to buy a batch of abrams either, you can even merge a Ukrainian stronghold, but not to create amusing regiments, but to polygons for testing novelties of the Russian military-industrial complex for them, for example, the same armata, then it will really be clear how much it can withstand other abrams, strongholds , absolutely different tanks of different schools and we need such weapons that without problems can effectively hit any of them and best of all in the forehead and the best test is a shot at the target
  19. gych
    gych 17 May 2013 19: 41 New
    -1
    Quote: rolik
    Quote: Rustam
    Here is another photo of the T-80UD before being sent to its new customer (US Army) -Ukraine 2003

    And it's good that Armata is being done here, and not in a "creative union" with Independence. And he again would sell several products to "partners".

    sell it yourself
  20. Abai
    Abai 17 May 2013 20: 40 New
    0
    Why do Americans buy tanks from Ukraine and not from Poland?
    1. Kars
      Kars 17 May 2013 20: 42 New
      +1
      Quote: Abai
      tanks from Ukraine, not from Poland?

      And they are already T-72 and their clones are not interested.
  21. roial
    17 May 2013 21: 35 New
    -2
    Quote: rolik
    And it's good that Armata is being done here, and not in a "creative union" with Independence. And he again would sell several products to "partners".

    Oh don't make me laugh. I’ve heard about your armature for the second year, though I didn’t have to see it. Is there at least something to sell? Or another cut of money ?? Sorry, but we are not competitors in this, we are still studying and learning how to cut the budget.
    1. olegyurjewitch
      olegyurjewitch 17 May 2013 23: 49 New
      +3
      Quote: roial
      Sorry, but we are not competitors in this, we are still studying and learning how to cut the budget.

      You just have nothing to cut it. tongue
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  23. Winged
    Winged 17 May 2013 23: 09 New
    0
    "Shilka" and "BMP-2" are more or less similar, but the rest ... The German T-80U cannot be directly distinguished from the Soviet one smile
  24. understudy
    understudy 18 May 2013 00: 20 New
    0
    Quote: Andy
    as I put on my sword belt, so dumb and dumb

    Actually, in a decent society, for such words, a candelabrum ...
  25. kind
    kind 18 May 2013 08: 04 New
    0
    In America, fools are a hundred years in advance.
  26. bublic82009
    bublic82009 18 May 2013 21: 30 New
    0
    all one american motifs break through
  27. the47th
    the47th 20 May 2013 12: 44 New
    0
    I had only one question: "Why ?!"
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  29. missuris
    missuris 19 October 2017 15: 31 New
    0
    Shilka normally turned out =)
  30. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 25 October 2017 10: 06 New
    0
    The article only talked about what she talked about, but komenty rained at the level of "election of the head physician in a madhouse." The essence of the article is that our so-called "partners" (read the opponents) train their troops how to deal with the equipment of the USSR first, and now Russia with their own scrap metal. And there is nothing to drag here x \ "Liberation" films and others, because Imagine a scale of surprise and horror for a warrior who will be attacked by at least the T-80 or other equipment of the Russian army. And as the great Kovpak said: "... great surprise is caused by crap (diarrhea)", that’s the essence of the article. What they teach, they will fight, the flag in their hands (star-striped) and a drum (like tom-tama) around the neck!
  31. Dr. Hub
    Dr. Hub 4 November 2017 13: 25 New
    +1
    The article is not about domestic cinema. Himself is far from idealizing our sworn friends, but if they consider it necessary, let them do it. Do we care? Let them even build flying saucers. And in terms of training, I think that it’s not a stupid undertaking, because they not only try to tear out the appearance, but they also use our tactics. And along with the training - a very good idea. Do not indiscriminately blame them all