In the United States launched the production of "T-72", "T-80" and "BMP-2"

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In the United States launched the production of "T-72", "T-80" and "BMP-2"
"T-80BV" in American style


In the US Army, during combat training, traditionally, great attention is paid to making the enemy (OPFOR - Opposing Force) look realistic. Therefore, in the 80s, the so-called "Soviet 32nd Guards Motor Rifle Regiment", stationed at the Fort Irvine National Training Center, located in the American Mojave Desert, was armed with T-55, T-62, BMP- 1 and other equipment produced in the USSR. Later, after the collapse of the Soviet bloc, the T-72 and BMP-2 appeared there, real Mi-2, Mi-8 and Mi-24 helicopters.

"T-72": reminiscent of the original


However, the operation of foreign military equipment was accompanied by a lot of difficulties, the main one being the lack of the required number of spare parts. As a result, in the United States, for a cheaper designation of the units of the Soviet army, they were forced to begin production of the T-72 and other equipment resembling the weapons of a potential enemy - the Soviet army. Since the M1978 Sheridan light tank was withdrawn from service in 551, and more than one and a half thousand such vehicles accumulated in warehouses, then as a base for the creation of VISMOD, visually modified combat vehicles similar to enemy armored vehicles.

And this is an imitation of 2S1 "Carnation"


As a result, hundreds of units of "enemy equipment" began to be rolled out over a giant training ground located not far from the Death Valley. Equipped with laser defeat simulators, satellite navigation sensors, they made it possible to realistically simulate combat operations. Information about everything that was happening on the battlefield flocked to the command center and those who led the training process could see in real time how the US ground forces were fighting against the "insidious aggressor".

Some kind of ZSU-23-4 "Shilka"


The servicemen of the 32nd GMSP were dressed in stylized Soviet uniforms. After the USSR left the political arena at the behest of incompetent politicians, various despotic regimes, such as Iraq, began to act as an "enemy". True, when the T-72BV appeared instead of the T-80 running models, it immediately became clear that, despite the talk of peace and friendship, the US military was already considering the armies of Russia, Ukraine and Belarus as an adversary. In large quantities, these Tanks were in service only with these countries and were not exported at that time.

It is difficult to recognize the BMP-1 in this freak


Of course, imitations of Soviet tanks did not look very believable right next to them. Especially a lot of controversy was caused by the Sheridan version, decorated under the BMP-1. On it, except for the actual models of the gun and the Malyutka ATGM, there was little resemblance to the original. With T-72 VISMOD and T-80 VISMOD it was a little better. From a few hundred meters they could really be mistaken for the originals.


"T-80BV" next to the "Abrams"

In the 90s, when the Sheridan resource began to be developed, the total mass of enemy equipment was diluted with Abrasami. On the M-1 tower, imitations of the dynamic protection "Contact" appeared and inscriptions, often meaningless, in Russian.


More imitations of the "eighties"

As before, Soviet military equipment was used. But even here it often came to oddities, so it was decided to modernize the T-72M1 with an imitation of dynamic protection. However, for some reason, they took ... T-80BV as a role model. As a result, the "seventy-two" received not only tin boxes, but also a massive fake tube of equipment for underwater driving, like the "eighty".


"T-80BV"

"Sheridans" were used until the resource was completely used up. When the operation of these tanks became generally impossible, models of Soviet equipment began to be made on the basis of the M-113 armored personnel carriers. Here it turned out the other way around, the BMP-2 began to resemble the original more, but the T-80 models began to look like real freaks.

Technique of the "Soviet 32nd Guards Motor Rifle Regiment"


It is possible that in the near future, in addition to imitations of Russian technology, the Americans will begin to do something that is very reminiscent of what was produced in China.

Models on the M-113 chassis look like a parody


M-113 turned into BMP-2


German imitation of the T-80U tank based on the "Leopard-2A4"
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  1. neodymium
    +21
    17 May 2013 08: 17
    And what looks like:
    (like a pig on a hedgehog)

    Clowns
    There is no tyam, dildos.
    1. wk
      +2
      17 May 2013 08: 23
      this clowning is somewhat reminiscent of the attempts of Soviet filmmakers in the films "liberation" and "the great commander Zhukov" to portray German, and even domestic equipment from the time of the Second World War.
      1. +15
        17 May 2013 09: 06
        Quote: wk
        clowning is somewhat reminiscent of the attempts of Soviet filmmakers in the films "liberation" and "the great commander Zhukov" to portray German, and even domestic equipment from the time of the Second World War.


        as I put on a harness, I get dumber and dumber - this is about you, wk.
        The "clownery" of the film "Liberation" is connected with the lack of original equipment of those years. But even in the imitation of a tiger, the features of a real tank were guessed (we won't touch the features of the chassis, it's easier then to actually make a tiger). By the way, for the reality of the film, you didn’t lie around battalion t34 mod 42-43 for the Battle of Kursk and t34 mod 1940 and mod 1941 for the movie "battle for Moscow"? no? it’s strange because you get the equipment once you spit ...

        1. wk
          +1
          17 May 2013 09: 30
          damn it, nothing was guessed there, it was very clumsily done .... with the then budgets and the ability to make half a dozen layouts, it cost nothing and cinematic techniques to give the mass character of the scene ..... and the battle scenes themselves are not shown realistically - clumsily
          1. +8
            17 May 2013 09: 35
            if by the shape of the tower you cannot distinguish a tiger from a t34, your problems. and a complete refurbishment of the chassis for the original, the construction of a new tank. wild waste.
            I do not consider it necessary to develop the topic further.
            1. wk
              +1
              17 May 2013 09: 49
              yes, not a rework of the chassis ... in the cinema there is a school for building mock-ups, cheap and practical .... if a real tank weighs 40 tons, then a mock-up is more than 2 tons.
              1. +8
                17 May 2013 09: 57
                I tried to send a photo of a real tiger and from the film liberation, but the photo didn’t appear here, why I don’t know (before the site was redesigned it was easier and more convenient). So the rework of the tank quite successfully represents the tiger. gives out the chassis, but I have already spoken about it 10 times.
                1. wk
                  -13
                  17 May 2013 10: 10
                  yes, if only the Tiger ... damn it, the movie "I am a Russian soldier" is probably full of mistakes, but for some reason I don't notice them .... why? ... because the movie is good .... and "liberation" and "great suburban" in particular the full .dr mo
                  1. +7
                    17 May 2013 15: 13
                    Go, requester, "Rambo" look - everything is realistic and staged for 5 with + ohm. NIT!!!
                2. +5
                  17 May 2013 11: 18
                  Quote: Andy
                  tried to send fo

                  http://www.softmixer.com/2011/08/blog-post_06.html
                  1. 0
                    17 May 2013 11: 40
                    I downloaded a couple of photos on the computer, and wanted to attach it to the post. So the post itself did not go through. I don’t understand what I did wrong (it worked before) request
                3. Dim Dim
                  0
                  17 May 2013 21: 32
                  And if you watch the Blockade Film of the same period of production, then you are not surprised by the abundance of IS-3s on the Leningrad Front in 1941 and 1942. In general, films should, if they claim to be historical documentary, should correspond to the historical era, and not mislead the viewer, as our army suffered defeats with such equipment. Nowadays, the capabilities of filmmakers in terms of modeling technology have increased by several orders of magnitude (in films about that period, computer graphics are often found), but the general level of knowledge of technology by both directors and programmers working on their orders leads to rather curious mistakes, in the opinion of those who understand what is at stake, for the rest it seems to be absolutely indifferent.
              2. +2
                17 May 2013 11: 36

                "wk (1) RU  Today, 09:49 ↑
                yes, not reworking the chassis ... in the cinema there is a school for building mock-ups, cheap and practical .... if a real tank weighs 40 tons, then a mock-up is more than 2 tons. "

                are we kidding? in addition to the real view of the mock-up for battle scenes, you also need to drive. and now estimate the cost of a mock-up equipped with an engine and transmission. in fact, building a new tank, with the exception of armor protection and weapons. -20. This is how the tank attack in the liberation was filmed.
      2. wk
        -17
        17 May 2013 09: 08
        yes, these plywood tanks are wretched exactly as much - how wretched are the films "liberation" and "the great commander Zhukov", in particular, where all the eminent commanders are presented as just some kind of freaks against the background of Zhukov, and Stalin and Beria are only doing everything possible for losing the USSR ... Budyonny (in reality, having shown himself to be a very competent commander) is shown in the cinema as a down, or an idiot .... and only Zhukov is in charge of all this gathering .... understand, I'm not against Zhukov, well, just one lie in frame strikes another.
        1. +3
          17 May 2013 09: 27
          sorry, but isn’t the General Staff coordinating the actions of the front commanders? I haven’t seen Rokosovsky made an idiot, they didn’t draw the enemy as idiots. The exception is Hitler (but he himself was a psychopath and shook in life).
          1. wk
            0
            17 May 2013 09: 40
            I'm talking about the late film "the great commander Zhukov" (it uses film materials from the "liberation") look, when Zhukov enters the headquarters, Budyonny has a moronic expression on his face .... everyone is at a loss, everyone is talking nonsense ... Beria dreams of shooting everyone , and Stalin dreams of shooting Beria .... the film was shot in the tradition of Hollywood parodies of the USSR ... I'd rather watch 18 episodes of the "Great War", even if there is 50% animation but it looks like the truth
            1. +9
              17 May 2013 11: 29
              In the United States launched the production of "T-72", "T-80" and "BMP-2"

              It would seem where the Liberation, Soviet generals and Hitler have to do with it?
              And it turns out and.
              Mmm, you probably glue models?
              But tell me why, for example, in modern films with an even larger budget, they continue to shoot plywood boxes and Fritz with "Schmeisers"?
              Did Verevochkin's case find no support? (Verevochkin (God rest him) was engaged in the construction of accurate models of armored vehicles)
              And you didn’t have a silent question “why on Victory Day they showed on NTV (in my opinion) the film an armored train with some kind of criminals”?
              Liberation is a good movie. (IMHO) Even though it was filmed according to the academic canons of history, established under Khrushchev (there was such a time), but the story shown there is very touching and makes the eyes wet ...
              1. +9
                17 May 2013 12: 01
                Okay, I'll answer. Because in modern cinema about the Second World War, no one is interested in authenticity. For everything is politicized and aimed at demonizing the Soviet regime. This is in short. And now they are not making films about the Second World War, now they are making a film about some other, mythical, out of Germany with the hated regime of Stalin ... Something like this ... In short.
                Although I still hope to discuss with you.
                1. wk
                  +2
                  17 May 2013 12: 48
                  easily ..... so I'm saying why in the film "the great Zhukov" Budyonny is shown as an aboltus? Have you read my comments? .... yes, in general, there are very few films about the war .... from documentaries, I consider the "great war" 2010-2012 18 episodes to be the best, and from feature films "in war, as in war", "I am a Russian soldier "," ballad about a soldier "," check on the roads .... well, it's still hard to remember right away.
                  1. +1
                    17 May 2013 12: 59
                    In a personal unsubscribed. Forgive mods :)
                    1. +2
                      17 May 2013 14: 36
                      Yeah ... the amers openly do not hesitate to expose us as enemies, but for some reason we call them potential, probable opponents. It's time for us, too, to openly imitate targets for the American army.
            2. Svyatoslavovich
              +2
              17 May 2013 18: 45
              If you carefully and thoughtfully look through all the subsequent films after Ozerov's "RELEASE", you will notice that, firstly, he composed more from old material than he shot new, and secondly, other directors shot the Liberation itself for him, or he took ready-made plot solutions from other films , and in the third place, somehow gradually imperceptibly, but more and more frankly, with each film, liberal-Dissiden-Solzhenitsa crap comes out. The conclusion is that Ozerov is an old political larva.
          2. +1
            17 May 2013 15: 36
            Quote: Andy
            the exception is Hitler (but he himself was a psychopath in life and was shaking).

            This breaking is called in certain circles. wink
      3. reichsmarshal
        +2
        17 May 2013 22: 13
        Soviet filmmakers con. 40s used captured German equipment (see "Battle of Stalingrad")
      4. 0
        18 May 2013 00: 09
        They don't laugh at the saint at all
    2. Gladiatir-zlo
      0
      19 May 2013 15: 13
      But sho, the need for invention is cunning, but what to teach gunners on, they don’t care from 1500 meters
    3. OTAKE
      +2
      7 June 2013 17: 04
      it would be better in the computer. games played with models of Soviet tanks, and cheaper and faster
  2. 0
    17 May 2013 08: 20
    Circus. It was easier to buy T-72 and BMP-2 or exchange it for your own armored vehicles. I don't think our generals would object to such an exchange. And they would use them for the same purposes.
    1. +4
      17 May 2013 08: 40
      Quote: Canep
      Circus. It was easier to buy T-72 and BMP-2 or exchange it for your own armored vehicles.

      At 70-80?
      Quote: Canep
      I think our generals would not object to such an exchange.

      And the KGB would have objected very much.
      1. +1
        17 May 2013 08: 49
        In order not to post a lot, I will give a link to the shushpanzer
        http://shushpanzer-ru.livejournal.com/tag/opfor
      2. +1
        17 May 2013 11: 22
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          17 May 2013 11: 23
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            17 May 2013 11: 23
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    2. bask
      +5
      17 May 2013 08: 56
      Quote: Canep
      Circus. It was easier to buy T-72 and BMP-2 or exchange it for your own armored vehicles. I think our generals would not mind

      Now they are doing it. An article about the 80th moves of the 20th century.
      In Iraq alone, the amers got thousands of units of Soviet armored vehicles.
      1. +2
        17 May 2013 10: 33
        You are correct (what is in Libya, what is in Iraq)! the article is good with interesting photos, but this is all before the beginning of the 90s

        after the collapse of the USSR, the United States had no problems obtaining original samples from the former USSR

        one of the facts is that in 1993 Russia signed a contract for the supply of a small batch of weapons - this is T-80U, BMP-3, etc. - but then all this turned out to be first in England then in the USA

        Here is the latest news - date 2003
        -80UD delivered by Ukraine in the amount of four units to the USA in 2003. The tanks were equipped with Knife dynamic protection modules and the Drozd series active protection system. The vehicles are located at the Aberdeen Training Center (Maryland) of the US Army and were used for testing and evaluation.


        photo - Aberdeen Training Center Maryland (no comment)
      2. Prohor
        +6
        17 May 2013 11: 32
        Is that what they do about the exchange? In Russia, it seems, there is not a single modern "friendly" tank. But for 80-ku at the Aberdeen Proving Ground - it is necessary to kill without trial or investigation, including Ukrainians.
        1. bask
          +3
          17 May 2013 11: 50
          Quote: Prokhor
          account exchange so do? In Russia, it seems, there is not a single modern "friendly" tank

          And who is Russia, what will he sell like that, there will never be any exchange.
          It is necessary to actively develop economic intelligence. Where it is legal, as with South Africa, France, Italy, Finland, Germany, to wrap up modern technologies through commissions (BRIBES).
          Particularly acute is the issue of mass and relatively cheap production of armored vehicles MRAP, armored personnel carriers, the Swedish SEP-17-24 tons, ideal for BMD-5 on the GSh and wheeled chassis. But along the way, we don’t need it. CUT AND Kickbacks.,, Everything. They are not interested in anything anymore.
          1. +1
            17 May 2013 12: 14
            Oh, I understand, it just dawned on me. Iveks were bought to imitate NATO troops))))))) Serdyukov, ay, you can safely excuse yourself wassat
            1. bask
              +1
              17 May 2013 12: 47
              Quote: klimpopov
              lo. Iveks were bought to imitate NATO troops

              Iveki-Lynx is a haunou.
              The Italians have more. Armored personnel carrier for the Marine Corps, jointly developed and modernized. BAE Systems and Iveco. MPC - Larger version of Super AV. Provides STANAG-4 level ballistic and mine protection. The latest composite armor materials are used in the armored hull. Buoyancy up to 3 points is provided by two propellers in the aft part of the hull. Engine power is 550 l / s. Power reserve 500 cells.
              These are the Iveks that had to be purchased !!! And not any uh-nu! am

            2. +1
              17 May 2013 13: 34
              Comrades, sometimes you need to turn on the sarcasmometer, it's easier to live this way :)
        2. 0
          17 May 2013 12: 48
          issues with independent Ukraine feel



          here is another photo of the T-80UD before being sent to its new customer (US Army) -Ukraine 2003


          PS- my friends do not think that someone will blame the same Ukraine! Since there are no orders from the same Russian Federation for these tanks, you need to somehow survive and work-commerce
          1. rolik
            +2
            17 May 2013 14: 47
            Quote: Rustam
            here is another photo of the T-80UD before being sent to its new customer (US Army) -Ukraine 2003

            And it's good that Armata is being made with us, and not in a "creative union" with Square. And he would again sell several products to "partners".
          2. Yemelya
            +1
            17 May 2013 19: 24
            Quote: Rustam
            here is another photo of the T-80UD before being sent to its new customer (US Army) -Ukraine 2003

            In my opinion, all the same T-84.

            I will assume that of the ten that were produced for the Ukrainian Armed Forces.
        3. +5
          17 May 2013 13: 32
          Quote: Prokhor
          In Russia, it seems, there is not a single modern "friendly" tank. But for 80-ku at the Aberdeen Proving Ground - it is necessary to kill without trial or investigation, including Ukrainians.

          And this is what the representative of the country says for debts, who sold the T-80U to the Republic of Korea, and not the North, but the South))) Belarus also did something. Not saying that during the withdrawal of Soviet troops from Germany they sold everything that was possible, including KUV and missiles.
          1. +3
            17 May 2013 13: 52
            Yes, as they say, everyone is good ... Everyone dragged, everyone stole. This can be called reparations to some extent. After all, they lost the cold one? So?

            ... There is such a profession, to sell the Motherland ...
          2. +1
            17 May 2013 13: 53
            90s - survived as best they could - then the sale of the legacy of the USSR was grandiose
            1. bask
              +5
              17 May 2013 14: 09
              Quote: Rustam
              90s - survived as best they could - then the sale of the legacy of the USSR was grandiose

              And today, how has the situation changed dramatically?
              They are also ready to sell everything to potential friends. Syrian tanks, a hundred pounds! COMMERCIAL b..

              We have 000 more of them in the army.
              1. +1
                17 May 2013 14: 17
                The most disgusting thing about all this is that, God forbid, we will have to fight with our own weapons to a greater extent, that is, to make weapons that will surpass our own models ...
              2. +1
                17 May 2013 14: 20
                why joint joint ventures with mutual benefit are one thing, for example, if it weren’t for sheikhs from the UAE, there probably wasn’t such a system as Pantsir1s


                another example where we stupidly pass- M
                how much was transferred to China alone even in the 2000s - and then we are surprised
                from where on their BMP Bakhcha towers (own production), an analogue of the Yak-130, Tornado list indefinitely

                photo Chinese BMP-find the differences from our BMP-3
                1. rolik
                  +3
                  17 May 2013 14: 50
                  Quote: Rustam
                  Chinese BMP-spot the differences from our BMP-3

                  And I found the MAIN difference from our car ...... the head of the Chinese sticks out of the hatch of the driver fool
                  1. bask
                    +4
                    17 May 2013 16: 17
                    Quote: rolik
                    .... the head of a Chinese sticks out of the driver's hatch

                    In a Russian cap with Ushanka. laughing
                    And MTO in the nose. Aft entrance exit.
                    1. rolik
                      +4
                      17 May 2013 20: 07
                      Quote: bask
                      In a Russian cap with Ushanka.

                      But you have to ask for a hat. In all seriousness, this is a completely shameless plagiarism. The yellow brothers have gone completely am
                2. Yemelya
                  +3
                  17 May 2013 21: 15
                  Quote: Rustam
                  Chinese BMP-spot the differences from our BMP-3


                  engine ahead
  3. Dima190579
    +2
    17 May 2013 08: 23
    In our opinion, imitation is needed only in cases where the personnel of the Armed Forces are so stupid that if I don’t see the real technique of the enemy during training, then during the battle I don’t wake up to know the enemy by sight.
    In my opinion, another way to spend people's money.
    1. +2
      17 May 2013 08: 47
      Quote: Dima190579
      if the personnel of the Armed Forces is so stupid that if I don’t see the real technique of the enemy in training, then during the battle I don’t wake up to know the enemy in person

      true?
      1. +2
        17 May 2013 08: 48
        T-55 depicting "Centurion":
        1. +2
          17 May 2013 08: 51
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          1. Dima190579
            0
            17 May 2013 08: 58
            Thank you for the very interesting and, as I understand it, rare photos. I sincerely did not know that in the USSR they also imitated the equipment of a potential enemy.
            Well, everything is exactly the word not a sparrow will fly out not to catch
            1. +4
              17 May 2013 09: 32
              In the Soviet Union, they found a cheaper way to imitate the military equipment of their potential enemy. Cheap and cheerful.
              1. 0
                17 May 2013 11: 23
                how static targets will go, because in battle you only need a recognizable silhouette of enemy equipment (we’ll omit all sorts of bells and whistles like ours / not ours), but in dynamics such a scarecrow will not work feel Yes, and the effectiveness of the defeat when shooting at such a layout is only at the level of hit / miss.
  4. 0
    17 May 2013 08: 47
    Here, crooked-armed freaks, if it weren’t for the captions under the photo, I would never have guessed ...
  5. Denis_SF
    +9
    17 May 2013 08: 48
    Do you remember these wonderful imitations? And yes, the whole movie is just a piece of crap.
    1. +3
      17 May 2013 11: 26
      frontal contours of the hull as in PTSAU Ob.704 lol And in "earflaps" our soldiers (in their opinion) go all year round and do not take off in the bath fool
      1. Denis_SF
        +1
        17 May 2013 13: 22
        Quote: kostiknet
        frontal contours of the hull as in PTSAU Ob.704 lol And in "earflaps" our soldiers (in their opinion) go all year round and do not take off in the bath fool

        not only in earflaps, but even to the heap in a winter lump)
        1. +1
          17 May 2013 22: 02
          This is a parade - in honor of November 7 - in the cinema autumn in an occupied American town - and here it is in winter. But here are the sunglasses - this comrade has - and even passing in front of the authorities - he will command - "LOOK LEFT!" Probably meant "alignment to the left ..." But just the Mi-24 in this movie is very similar to the original. -Mi-24A. With a rectangular cabin, only, again, tinted glasses ... Maybe from Egypt or they were not exported at all, only 250 pieces were released. And the film is 1984. The Cold War is in full swing ....
    2. 0
      17 May 2013 11: 33
      Um ... And what kind of film is so "interesting"?
      1. Denis_SF
        +2
        17 May 2013 13: 20
        Quote: klimpopov
        Um ... And what kind of film is so "interesting"?

        Red Dawn (1984) is the height of a Hollywood star, something like Rambo 3, though it came out better.
        1. +3
          17 May 2013 14: 01
          Oh thanks! I'm already pulling from the grid. I'll try to neigh with beer in the evening. Friday though. laughing
    3. prophet190
      +1
      17 May 2013 14: 45
      And I remember this wonderful comedy. The first comedic experience of her then-young Charlie Sheen.
  6. 0
    17 May 2013 08: 55
    If I may say so: a very hard smile ...
    Yes, in our school there were also imitations on the target field - redistribution for amers and Germans from our PT-76, Su-100 and, in my opinion, from 55 matches ...
  7. 0
    17 May 2013 09: 15
    Let them imitate! Our t-72, t-80, bmd-shki and behi with 80-kami armored personnel carriers ----------- this is the last thing NATO will see before their painful death. Therefore, let them remember those who kill them and cut them soon! Glory to Russia! We will win!!!
    1. Prohor
      0
      17 May 2013 11: 37
      They have already won! "Coca-Cola", McDonalds, consumer psychology and promiscuity and immorality under the guise of freedom. Watch TV!
      1. led1989
        +3
        17 May 2013 13: 26
        I don't see the win? They all that you have listed simply cleaned the ranks of the Slavs from rot and weak people. Now far from the 90s, there is no craze for Western ideology at all.
        1. prophet190
          +1
          17 May 2013 14: 48
          I agree. Now we have become much more attentive and meaner to the west. At my work, almost everyone is happy with any star in the USA.
  8. ed65b
    +1
    17 May 2013 10: 33
    Well done. ours also need to shoot at the exercises on probable friends. I wonder if a strong howl will rise? Will they stigmatize the bloody regime again?
  9. +1
    17 May 2013 10: 42
    Quote: Denis_SF
    Do you remember these wonderful imitations? And yes, the whole movie is just a piece of crap.


    What movie?
    1. +2
      17 May 2013 11: 36
      "Red Dawn" most likely.
      1. prophet190
        +2
        17 May 2013 14: 49
        Not sooner, but it is. But just don’t confuse it with this year’s remake (there’s another heresy - the USA is attacked by North Korea!)
  10. USNik
    +4
    17 May 2013 11: 24
    "Shilka" and M113 in the form of BMP2 are still normal, but from everything else you can only smile and twist your finger at your temple fool With such mock-ups, they are more likely to shoot themselves and all their NATO allies good (PS I'm afraid to even imagine what they made a copy of MI-24 from belay )
    1. prophet190
      0
      17 May 2013 14: 54
      Look, don't fall off your chair.
      http://images.yandex.ru/yandsearch?source=psearch&text=%D0%BC%D0%B8+24+%D0%B2+%D
      1%80%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B1%D0%BE&noreask=1&pos=5&rpt=simage&lr=76&uinfo=sw-1263-sh-9
      23-fw-1038-fh-598-pd-1&ts=1368787877542&img_url=http%3A%2F%2Fimg13.imageshost.ru
      %2Fimg%2F2011%2F08%2F28%2Fimage_4e5a22dd488b4.jpg
  11. Prohor
    0
    17 May 2013 11: 43
    They say that for the "White Tiger" they made an awesome T-VI mock-up somewhere in Samara, but the mock-up from the IS-a got into the film. Does anyone know what about this?
    1. 0
      17 May 2013 13: 29
      didn’t have time to submit it by the deadline, so I didn’t get into the picture
    2. +1
      17 May 2013 16: 42
      Quote: Prokhor
      They say that for the "White Tiger" they made an awesome T-VI mock-up somewhere in Samara, but the mock-up from the IS-a got into the film. Does anyone know what about this?

      http://forum.worldoftanks.ru/index.php?/topic/750188-%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%B3%D1%80-vi

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  12. 0
    17 May 2013 12: 07
    As a result, all these "locomotives" stand on a siding. And the war is going on, the real one, in social networks and the media, but they are already using other "equipment" and "weapons."
  13. +2
    17 May 2013 12: 32
    Quote: Standard Oil
    "Red Dawn" is likely


    Thank you. I'll look.
  14. Vened
    +5
    17 May 2013 13: 20
    It would be interesting to see an imitation of Abrams and leopards in our exercises, although it seems to me that Russia is more likely to encounter Soviet-made or so-made equipment in possible local conflicts.
  15. +1
    17 May 2013 15: 41
    C Such an imitation in the case of day "H" we have nothing to fear, they simply do not recognize us.
  16. 0
    17 May 2013 17: 06
    Well, the Americans have an abyss of money, they can afford to create the 32nd SA motorized rifle regiment at home. Jealous?
  17. region34
    0
    17 May 2013 17: 26
    Quote: wk
    this clowning is somewhat reminiscent of the attempts of Soviet filmmakers in the films "liberation" and "the great commander Zhukov" to portray German, and even domestic equipment from the time of the Second World War.

    Yes, even in saving the "ordinary district" the Americans also could not find the original, and in a heavy tank driving down the street one can guess the usual T54
  18. ed1968
    +1
    17 May 2013 18: 13
    it wouldn’t hurt us to buy a batch of Abrams, Merkav can even have one Ukrainian stronghold, but not to create amusing regiments, but to training grounds for testing new products of the Russian military-industrial complex, for example, the same armata, then it will really be clear how much it can withstand other samples of abrams, stronghold merkato completely different tanks from different schools and we need a weapon that can effectively hit any of them without any problems and best of all in the forehead, and the best test is a shot at the target
  19. a boat
    -1
    17 May 2013 19: 41
    Quote: rolik
    Quote: Rustam
    here is another photo of the T-80UD before being sent to its new customer (US Army) -Ukraine 2003

    And it's good that Armata is being made with us, and not in a "creative union" with Square. And he would again sell several products to "partners".

    sell yourself
  20. down
    0
    17 May 2013 20: 40
    Why do Americans buy tanks from Ukraine and not from Poland?
    1. +1
      17 May 2013 20: 42
      Quote from Abai
      tanks from Ukraine, not from Poland?

      And they are already T-72 and their clones are not interested.
  21. roial
    -2
    17 May 2013 21: 35
    Quote: rolik
    And it's good that Armata is being made with us, and not in a "creative union" with Square. And he would again sell several products to "partners".

    Oh don't make me laugh. I’ve been hearing about your armature for the second year already, though I haven’t seen it. Is there anything to sell there? Or just another waste of money? Sorry, but in this we are not your competitors, we are still learning and learning how to cut the budget.
    1. +3
      17 May 2013 23: 49
      Quote: roial
      Sorry, but in this we are not your competitors, we are still learning and learning how to cut the budget.

      There is simply nothing for you to drink. tongue
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  23. Winged
    0
    17 May 2013 23: 09
    "Shilka" and "BMP-2" are more or less similar, but the rest ... The German T-80U cannot be directly distinguished from the Soviet smile
  24. 0
    18 May 2013 00: 20
    Quote: Andy
    how to put on a harness, so dumb and dumb

    Actually, in a decent society, for such words, a candillabra ...
  25. 0
    18 May 2013 08: 04
    In America, fools are stocked for a hundred years ahead.
  26. bubble82009
    0
    18 May 2013 21: 30
    all the same, American motifs pierce
  27. 0
    20 May 2013 12: 44
    I had only one question: "Why?!"
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  29. 0
    19 October 2017 15: 31
    Shilka turned out ok =)
  30. 0
    25 October 2017 10: 06
    The article only talked about what she said, but the comments rained down at the level of "election of the head physician in a madhouse." The essence of the article is that our so-called "partners" (read opponents) are teaching their troops how to deal with equipment, first of the USSR, and now Russia on their scrap metal. And there is nothing to drag in x \ films "Liberation" and others, because imagine the scale of surprise and horror of warriors who will come under attack, well, at least the T-80 or other equipment of the Russian army. And as the great Kovpak said: "... great surprise causes rubbish (diarrhea)", that's the whole point of the article. What they teach, they will fight, a flag in their hands (star-striped) and a drum (like tam-tama) around their neck!
  31. +1
    4 November 2017 13: 25
    The article is not about domestic cinema. He himself is far from idealizing our sworn friends, but if they consider it necessary, let them do it. Do we care? Let them build flying saucers. And in terms of training, I think that it’s not a stupid idea, because they are not only trying to tear up the appearance, but also use our tactics. And together for training - a very good idea. Do not indiscriminately find fault with all of them