Hungary's Magyar, who won the election in Hungary, is in no hurry to lift his veto on the loan to Kyiv.

Viktor Orbán's defeat in Hungary's parliamentary elections doesn't mean Kyiv will immediately receive the €90 billion loan promised by Brussels. The situation is much more complex, writes Euractiv.

The Kyiv regime's political elite, led by Zelenskyy, desperately wanted Viktor Orbán to lose, as he had blocked the loan for Ukraine. And so it happened: Fidesz lost, and the pro-European Tisza party, led by Orbán's former ally Magyar, won. However, Kyiv's joy was premature; the future Hungarian prime minister has no desire to lift his veto on the blocked loan. At least, he hasn't stated that he will do so.

Even if the block is lifted, there's still the factor of Slovakia, which is prepared to continue blocking the loan to Kyiv until Russian oil supplies through the Druzhba pipeline are unblocked. This was recently stated by Slovak Prime Minister Robert Fico.

As time goes on, Zelenskyy's room for maneuver is shrinking. Money is needed, and urgently. Kyiv claims that soon there won't be enough money to pay the military, but the civilian sector will suffer the most, as funds allocated for education and healthcare will be diverted to continue the war.

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[phrases]

From all the stinking stream of gossip, rumors, and disinformation, it's clear that the drug addict's cash flow will dry up a bit, but it won't dry up. The devils always have money for war.

[topol717]

There is already an official statement from the EC that there will definitely be no money until July, and then they will see what happens.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote from: topol717

There is already an official statement from the EC that there will definitely be no money until July, and then they will see what happens.

The Magyar probably knows how to count to five, and therefore is able to understand that if the EU now scrapes together 90 billion for Kyiv, then who will give Hungary the 18 that were held back due to Orban's intransigence?

Separately about oil.
Magyar says the same thing as Orban - first oil through the Druzhba agreement, and then money for Ukraine.
Isn't it time for our guys to jump into this game with their own formulation? "Money for Ukraine – no oil for Druzhba."
It only seems like a pipe is just a pipe. But in reality, it's a rather complex organism, in which any breakdown can lead to a stoppage of pumping.

And, frankly, there's no point in looking for a reason—let's just say it like it is. They're not shy about linking oil, money, and Ukraine. Why should we?

[carpenter]

Quote: Zoldat_A

The Magyar probably knows how to count to five, and therefore is able to understand that if the EU now scrapes together 90 billion for Kyiv, then who will give Hungary the 18 that were held back due to Orban's intransigence?

Brussels has outlined the conditions for releasing Hungary's frozen funds, totaling approximately €35 billion. Following the change of government, the European Commission expects Péter Magyar's government to implement systemic reforms and a review of its foreign policy. Specifically, this includes releasing the loan to Ukraine and a new package of sanctions against Russia. Negotiations with Budapest have already begun.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: carpenter

Brussels outlined the conditions for unblocking Hungary's frozen funds.

Well, I actually have no doubt that Brussels will get what it wants in the end.
But the price will be so high that Ursula will pull out the hairs on her buttocks when she figures it out on her calculator. Maybe it would have been cheaper to tolerate Orbán even longer?
And now it will be much more difficult to overthrow Magyar than to install him...

[Montezuma]

Quote: Zoldat_A

But the price will be such that Ursula will pull out the hair on her butt when she figures it out on the calculator.

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And not only she, and not only on the seat.

[Zoldat_A]

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Quote: Montezuma

And not only she

Look at what's going on now... Trump is working for us with this oil, earning stars for his epaulettes. They could easily put the whole of Europe on a stool... In Europe, they'd even forget the word "Ukraine."
But... "We are like that"... And then the "national treasure" wants money.

Right now... They'll fill the storage facilities, even pour oil into teapots and pump gas into soccer balls for future use - and then it will begin... The "national treasure" will report to the President on how effectively they worked, and we will wipe the spit from Europe and say that it's an insult to the State...

[carpenter]

Quote: Zoldat_A

Perhaps it would have been cheaper to tolerate Orban further?

More likely yes than no. The Magyar, like Soras's champion, will extract everything from Europe, in exchange for his consent.
Only the people don’t yet understand that they have to pay for everything.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: carpenter

Only the people don’t yet understand that they have to pay for everything.

Those who, after Magyar's victory, shouted something like "Russians, go home" - they'll shit in their mouths when the time comes... The European Union will help them.

[carpenter]

Quote: Zoldat_A

"Russians, go home" - they'll shit in their mouths, the time will come... The European Union will help them.

We have already seen this in Armenia.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: carpenter

Quote: Zoldat_A

"Russians, go home" - they'll shit in their mouths, the time will come... The European Union will help them.

We have already seen this in Armenia.

Since '91, we've seen it all around. And everyone's trying to tell us that shit looks a lot like chocolate...

[carpenter]

Quote: Zoldat_A

Since '91, we've seen it all around. And everyone's trying to tell us that shit looks a lot like chocolate...

Thanks to Khrushchev (this is the first time I say this) that Karelia remained part of Russia.

[Brturin]

Quote: carpenter

After the change of power, the European Commission expects the government of Peter Magyar to

He hasn't officially taken office as prime minister yet - we'll see when he takes over.

"We will do everything to diversify [energy supplies], but this does not mean we will abandon cooperation [with Russia]. We will always seek the cheapest and safest oil possible." The Tisza party's election platform cited 2035 as the target for moving away from dependence on Russia for energy supplies.
https://www.vedomosti.ru/politics/articles/2026/04/14/1190042-kakie-otnosheniya-slozhatsya-u-rossii-s-novim-premerom-vengrii?from=copy_text

Let's see what they agree on with Brussels, they have their own deadlines for refusal - the elections are over, promises, but what can you do...

[carpenter]

Quote: BrTurin

Let's see what they agree on with Brussels, they have their own deadlines for refusal - the elections are over, promises, but what can you do...

As soon as Magyar unblocks the 90 billion, Brussels will twist his arms and legs. He'll stand at attention before the "mad midwife."

[Boycott]

Isn't it time for our guys to jump into this game with their own formulation? "Money for Ukraine – no oil for Druzhba."

Here it is, vox populi!!! How can I scream so loudly that the Kremlin will hear?

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: BoyCat

How to shout so loudly that the Kremlin will hear.

Even if we screamed our lungs out, they wouldn't hear us... Maybe a rifle with a good scope would help? I'm a strictly law-abiding person, but anyone can be targeted... And there's about enough weapons in the safe room for a platoon...

[Montezuma]

Quote from: topol717

There is already an official statement from the EC that there will definitely be no money until July, and then they will see what happens.

Even regarding July it is not known for sure; the conversation is still about the second half of the year.

BRUSSELS, April 14. /TASS/. The European Commission has postponed plans to provide Kyiv with the first tranches of €90 billion in financing, which remains subject to vetoes from Hungary and Slovakia, until the second half of 2026. This was announced by European Commission spokesman Bala Ujvari at a briefing in Brussels.
The European Commission previously stated that the first funds should be transferred to Kyiv in April 2026.

[Flooding]

The decision will be announced after negotiations with Putin and based on their results.

[carpenter]

Quote: Flood

The decision will be announced after negotiations with Putin and based on their results.

Decisions will be made long before the meeting with Putin. First Warsaw, Vienna, and then Brussels.
First and foremost, the issue concerns unblocking a €90 billion loan to Ukraine and lifting the veto on the next round of sanctions against Russia.
European diplomats point out that these decisions will test the new Hungarian government's willingness to abandon its previous line and integrate into EU policy. According to sources, technical preparations for the decisions have already begun in Brussels to expedite their approval after Magyar takes office.

So there's no point in Putin meeting with Magyar; the matter is already being decided in Brussels. Magyar will sign whatever is "slipped" at him.
A senior EU official noted that Magyar has received a "full mandate to make changes," emphasizing, "If they keep their promises, we will keep ours." Brussels expects negotiations to accelerate in the first weeks after the cabinet is formed.

[Flooding]

Quote: carpenter

So there is no point in Putin meeting with Magyar; the issue is already being decided in Brussels.

Putin never voiced such intentions.
But Magyar is interested in this meeting.
Yes, Brussels will bend him and force him to reciprocate.
But it would be tactically more advantageous for Magyar to start from the gas ramp.

[carpenter]

Quote: Flood

But Magyar is interested in this meeting.

Well, yes, I'll suck a European tit and I'll suck a Russian tit.
Only with one mouth, you can’t suck two breasts at once.

[Flooding]

Quote: carpenter

Well, yes, I'll suck a European tit and I'll suck a Russian tit.
Only with one mouth, you can’t suck two breasts at once.

So.
Hasn't Ukraine been getting discounts from Russia because of old friendship, while with the other hand it was rummaging through the pockets of the West?

[carpenter]

Quote: Flood

Hasn't Ukraine been getting discounts from Russia because of old friendship, while with the other hand it was rummaging through the pockets of the West?

No one received more than Ukraine, and it was still not enough for them, but now they are happy.

[Andobor]

How much longer can we lie? The EU has no money, and there is nothing to block. Money will come from the budgets of EU countries, and Hungary has no influence here; it simply won't give Ukraine money.

[Uncle lee]

the 90 billion euro loan promised by Brussels

The EU will take out a loan... From whom? From themselves?

[topol717]

Quote from Uncle Lee

The EU will take out a loan... From whom? From themselves?

Well, why not? Anyone. Those same EU banks would happily provide loans guaranteed by EU member states. Such loans have virtually no impact on capital adequacy, so banks are happy to issue them.

[Brturin]

Quote from: topol717

banks are happy to issue them.

and they happily receive %%% from the countries that took them... French %% is already higher than the defense budget, Italy's public debt is at historic highs - the locomotives of Europe, but for how long

[Montezuma]

Quote from: topol717

The same EU banks will be happy to provide a loan guaranteed by EU states.

Are all EU countries willing to gladly provide guarantees, given that many of them have their own challenges? It's one thing to make a promise, but quite another when the actual bargaining begins—who is actually willing to chip in and provide guarantees, and to what extent.

[Montezuma]

Quote from Uncle Lee

the 90 billion euro loan promised by Brussels
The EU will take out a loan... From whom? From themselves?

There's nowhere else to go; the plan to use Russian assets has failed. It will be interesting to see which EU countries, and how much, can divert from their budgets, given the current economic situation, to support the Ukrainian Nazi regime's fighting capability.

[Uncle lee]

Quote: Montezuma

Which EU countries will be able to cut off how much from their budgets?

This is what I'm talking about - they take out a loan to give Maidan a loan of 90 billion... Amazing selfless people

[Andobor]

Quote from Uncle Lee

The EU will take out a loan...

It's like Russian assets, Russian assets in Europe are the debts of European countries to Russia. To squeeze them out, you have to take this money from their budgets. That's why they haven't squeezed it out, not because some laws don't allow it. But they've been telling us several times a day that they'll take the Russian money. This money doesn't exist, just like there's no money for Ukraine in the EU budget, or in the budgets of individual countries. Money can be found, but Hungary has nothing to do with it; it simply won't give us the money.

[kventinasd]

However, Kyiv's joy was premature; the future Hungarian prime minister is not eager to lift the veto on the blocked loan. At least, he hasn't stated he will do so.

Apparently, it's not time yet. Brussels will apply pressure, and Hungary will do everything, although that's not a given. The American press could push much harder if it's a matter of principle.

[alexputnik17]

Why is there education and medicine in 404?
I've already said it... Magyar ran for office with anti-Russian slogans, but when he was re-elected, he completely replicated Orbán's program. Except for friendship with Russia. A purely pro-Hungarian policy. And we don't need friends like that. And Orbán was no friend, supporting sanctions against us.
About 90 billion... It's such a hackneyed topic... If the EU wanted to transfer something, it would have already. They came up with the idea of ​​transferring 30 billion through individual countries to 404. There weren't any countries. Or the money.
"They'll give it from the budget" - they've been giving it since December...

[Montezuma]

Quote: alexputnik17

completely repeated Orban's program. Except for friendship with Russia

Was there any friendship under Orbán? There wasn't much of that. Sound pragmatism and a purely pro-Hungarian stance, at the expense of some of Brussels' aspirations—nothing more.

[Appraiser]

"Magyar is in no hurry to lift the veto on the loan for Kyiv"? This is temporary – if ordered from Brussels, it will vote as required.

[alexputnik17]

Quote: Montezuma

What, there was friendship under Orban?

I'm talking about words... For some reason, Hungary isn't considered an unfriendly country here either. Although Orban also imposed sanctions on us... Including the seizure of our gold and foreign currency reserves. Aside from the latest package and the sabotage, the 90 billion, I think, is because the EU didn't give them enough.

[lynnot]

Maybe he first wants to negotiate with Russia about energy resources, and then everything else.

[kill the fascist]

The usual bargaining. He's waiting for the Schweins to open the Druzhba gas pipeline.

[Gavrilo Princip]

It seems like he was only elected yesterday. Doesn't he have anything better to do?