Times: Europe is hoping for "punishment" instead of the US leaving NATO.

Brussels appears to have found a "creative" solution to the American ultimatum. The Times reports that European NATO countries secretly hope that Donald Trump's threats will materialize not in the form of a US withdrawal from the alliance, but in some kind of "punitive" alternative.

Let's recall the context. Trump, enraged by the refusal of France, Spain, and other countries to support the military campaign against Iran, expressed his displeasure to NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte at the White House.

Paris and Madrid were reminded of the closed skies and the ban on the use of bases. Then the American leader threatened: either the allies immediately help with the Strait of Hormuz, or Washington will reconsider its membership in the alliance.

Now, as The Times reports, Europe is frantically searching for a way out. The "punishment" option (for example, a partial withdrawal of troops or their transfer to more loyal countries like Poland) seems less radical to Europeans than a severance of relations with the Americans.

According to The Wall Street Journal, the Trump administration is indeed considering a plan to redeploy American forces from "untrustworthy" countries (France, Spain, Germany) to more compliant ones. However, Europe is prepared to swallow this "Plan B" as well, just to avoid being left without the US "nuclear umbrella." Brussels is already seriously discussing the timeframe for preparing for independent defense; analysts are citing 2029.

Comments

[pudelartemon]

If NATO collapsed, I would buy a wreath and send it to be laid on the grave of the deceased.

[Nexcom]

...Europeans are scared without the Americans and NATO, scared...

[carpenter]

Quote: Nexcom

Europeans are scared without the Americans and NATO, scared.

The Yankees only frighten Europe, making it more accommodating.

[Zoldat_A]

!

Quote: Nexcom

...Europeans are scared without the Americans and NATO, scared...

America isn't going anywhere from Europe! If not NATO, then something else entirely—but they'll remain, and nuclear weapons will remain. After all, America depends on Europe for security NO less than Europe depends on America.

To understand this, it is enough to simply answer the question: why are American soldiers and nuclear weapons in Europe?
America has been pulling the wool over Europe's eyes for almost 80 years, claiming it's for Europe's defense. In reality, and it's no secret, this whole thing is against Russia, not for Europe.

So Europe can do whatever it wants—the Americans won't go anywhere. But this won't add to Europe's security, just as it never did before.
To verify this fact, it's enough to give some particularly arrogant borderlander a good thrashing for educational purposes and see that America won't "come down on Europe" for anything.
The hysteria will be epic, of course. They might even add more troops (at a relatively safe distance). But America hasn't been willing to stand up for Europe, to risk its territory for it, just as it hasn't been willing to do so now, just as it hasn't been willing to do so for all these decades. It's enough to READ and UNDERSTAND that very same Article 5. Something the Europeans have failed to do for almost 80 years.

[ALCA056000]

Nooo... they're inclusive masochists, and the hope of "punishment" warms their souls.

[alexputnik17]

Europe is hoping for "punishment"

Well, it's Epstein's coalition. They're used to punishment, I suppose... Sodomites.

[Nexcom]

..so the Master will be gone, and who will cover up their barking??

[novel66]

So, they somehow started two world wars themselves, without the USA.

[Alex F._2]

...one could even say, "In Europe, they hope for and welcome harsh, inventive, and prolonged punishment." :)

[Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov]

❝ European NATO countries secretly hope that Donald Trump's threats will materialize not an option The US is from the alliance, but in some "punitive" alternative ❞ —

— "If he beats you, it means he loves you." © ...
(I hope he doesn't quit)

[Nexcom]

...tell us, we won't do this again...

[faterdom]

For so many years they have been creating an Enemy for themselves, and suddenly the Roof leaves...
But the Enemy remains, and his characteristics are not good: he is famous for his slowness and unstoppable strength... And he is thoroughly angered, they tried hard, after all.

[K-50]

Times: Europe is hoping for "punishment" instead of the US leaving NATO.

Yeah, tie me up and abuse me, just don't throw me away.

[phrases]

They'll stretch their butts and strike their usual pose. One more time—no... that one. And whoever's asking for it, there's no shame in that at all, among their own kind.

[YES UZH]

Sadists and gays might even enjoy the punishment...

[Jacques sekavar]

NATO is the United States, and the United States is vital to NATO. Without NATO, the United States will not be able to form a global military-political alliance, including Aukusu, Kuada, Japan and South Korea, and other such trivialities. The problem isn't the US leaving NATO, but the funding of NATO, and Trump is trying his best to solve this problem.

[Pavel57]

Quote: novel xnumx

So, they somehow started two world wars themselves, without the USA.

Well, the second one with American money.