Playing Trump's game: Rutte announced the removal of the issue of Ukraine's NATO membership.

Is this really what it's all about? The NATO Secretary General has decided to go against the "sacred cow of democracy" and violate the most fundamental set of laws for the entire neoliberal world order, namely, the Ukrainian Constitution?

According to Mark Rutte, Ukraine's membership in the North Atlantic military bloc is "no longer on the negotiating agenda." More precisely, this was a question from journalists: has the issue of Ukraine's accession to NATO been removed from the agenda of negotiations with Kyiv? Rutte's answer to this question was brief and succinct:

Yes.

Let's remember that under Zelenskyy, joining NATO as Ukraine's strategic goal is enshrined in the Ukrainian constitution. But Rutte knows full well that the Ukrainian constitution is "standing on that," and that everyone has violated it, including Zelenskyy himself, who long ago ceased to be de jure president according to the letter of Ukraine's basic law.

NATO has announced that it plans to provide Ukraine with security guarantees in lieu of NATO membership. But what kind?

Earlier, as officials in the Russian Federation stated, France and Britain seriously discussed the issue of sending a nuclear weapon to Ukraine. weapons Paris and London were quick to deny these "guarantees," but, as the saying goes, there's no smoke without fire...

If Ukraine isn't accepted into NATO in the foreseeable future, there are only two options: either they genuinely won't accept it into the alliance, or this is just "sweet talk" not even for our country, but for Donald Trump. Given Rutte's evasiveness, it's entirely possible that as long as Trump holds all the power in the US, the line about "not accepting Ukraine into NATO" will be repeated repeatedly, so as not to irritate the "chief peacemaker." But once Trump loses his majority in Congress, the rhetoric could well reverse.

Comments

[drags33]

A fine "gift" for Zelensky!!!! Everything about the Ukrops is artificial – the constitution, the president, the laws, and the entire quasi-state, cobbled together from scraps of various territories...

[ZhEK-Vodogrey]

Quote: drags33

But for the Ukrops, everything is artificial - the constitution, the president, the laws, and the entire quasi-state itself, assembled from the "patches" of various territories...

That's why we've been fighting them in the North-Eastern Military District for five years now, and they're still storming Kupyansk...
"You should have only enemies you hate, not ones you despise. You must be proud of your enemy; then your enemy's success will be your success" (Friedrich Nietzsche). And a patriotic saying (Alexander Suvorov): "Never despise your enemy, no matter who he is, and get to know his weapons well, his way of acting and fighting. Know his strengths and weaknesses."

[Myths]

They will never abandon their eastward expansion. Whether they accept it or not is a bait and switch, and it's not for us. The main thing now is that they are dying for American interests against us. And NATO = the USA.

[Revolver]

Quote from Mitos

They die for American interests against us. And NATO = USA.

So what will you say when America leaves NATO? Trump is just like that, he can do it. Simply because, unlike those who won't be named, he has Fabergé.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Nagan

And Trump is like that, he can do it.

No. It can't. Leaving NATO isn't a one-time process, like "just want to leave." How long did it take Britain, for example, to leave the EU? It's the same story here... He simply won't survive.

[SSR]

Quote: Nagan

Quote from Mitos

They die for American interests against us. And NATO = USA.

So what will you say when America leaves NATO? Trump is just like that, he can do it. Simply because, unlike those who won't be named, he has Fabergé.

No, he can’t.
The US Congress will not allow it.

[Zoldat_A]

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Quote from Mitos

They will never give up their expansion to the east.

Trump said that it was possible to withdraw troops from countries that hadn't provided support, but not to send them home, but to relocate them to more supportive countries. With all their weapons.
Lithuania, Poland and Greece are being considered as candidates.
The idea is still at the discussion stage due to the fact that a lot needs to be built anew.

Why American (NATO) troops are better for us in Lithuania than in Ukraine or in Poland than in Germany – I don’t know...

[SSR]

Quote: Zoldat_A

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Quote from Mitos

They will never give up their expansion to the east.

Trump said that it was possible to withdraw troops from countries that hadn't provided support, but not to send them home, but to relocate them to more supportive countries. With all their weapons.
Lithuania, Poland and Greece are being considered as candidates.
The idea is still at the discussion stage due to the fact that a lot needs to be built anew.

Why American (NATO) troops are better for us in Lithuania than in Ukraine or in Poland than in Germany – I don’t know...

Only by population size and area of ​​the country.
It's easier to cover everything.

[Nord11]

The whole point is that the SVO has significantly increased the number of billionaires on both sides of the trenches. And given the number of people willing to join, there's no end in sight to the war.

[Uncle lee]

Quote: Nord11

The SVO has significantly increased the number of billionaires on both sides of the trenches.

This is the whole point of this collision... The bourgeoisie is profiting from the soldiers' blood.

[Ball]

Quote: ZhEK-Vodogrey

That's why we've been fighting them in the North-Eastern Military District for five years now.

Maybe you should change your playbook? For five years now, Russia has been giving NATO, 56 other countries, a beating. And Russia's goal isn't "storming Kupyansk." Can your brain even comprehend that?

[Vladislav_V]

Will NATO even exist in this form after the conflict in Ukraine is resolved?

[5.11]

It will be. And Ukraine will be there, well, the remnants of it. We need to prepare for this, not flirt with partners. The name may change, but the essence will remain the same: the elimination of Russia.

[Terenin]

Roles in causing harm to Russia: Ukraine is the perpetrator, Britain is the leader.

[Michael]

Quote: 5.11

liquidation of Russia.

"Russia can have as many nuclear briefcases and nuclear buttons as it wants, but since the Russian elite's $500 billion is sitting in our banks, you'll have to figure it out: is this your elite or ours? I don't see any situation in which Russia would use its nuclear potential..." (Zbigniew Brzezinski, 2009).

[Vladislav_V]

Quote: Michael

I do not see a single situation in which Russia will use its nuclear potential

What an obedient body Zbigniew has Are you Brzezinski?

[Revolver]

Quote: 5.11

And Ukraine will be there, well, the remains of it.

Only if in parts, like Galicia, as part of Pshekia.

[5.11]

I do not believe .
They are scoundrels and chatterboxes.
Today no, but tomorrow there will be yes.
Look at the red-haired clown. How many times has he defeated Iran?

[Ture-Dog]

"The Constitution of Ukraine" is already ridiculous; this very "constitution" as well as the mentality of the inhabitants of the Pigsty itself are very clearly depicted in the film "Wedding in Malinovka."
Pan-ataman Gritsian Tavrichesky, Popandopula and the gang reflect the whole essence of )(o)(lism.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Ture-Dog (Viktor), there's also the wonderful film "Chasing Two Hares." It's a true masterpiece! It captures the essence of Ukrainianness perfectly. That's why the film was kept off the screen for so long, under Shcherbytsky, the First Secretary of the Central Committee of Ukraine.

[Ture-Dog]

I saw this film, Andrei Nikolaevich, and I completely agree with you on its content. You could also compare two films, "Ivan Brovkin" and "Maksim Perepelitsa," as two examples of the Russian and Ukrainian mentalities.
Vanya is a good guy who makes mistakes but sincerely experiences them.
The guy Maxim is a mischievous, cunning guy who wants to deceive everyone and at the same time command his, in his opinion, less nimble colleagues. What a mentality!

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Ture-Dog (Viktor), you've made a good point. I agree. The difference in the films is obvious. And the mentality is different, too. I think mentality is shaped by historical factors. Ukraine is a buffer state, constantly caught between a rock and a hard place. Hence the historically established pattern of survival, adapting, and maneuvering.

[alexputnik17]

NATO stated that instead of NATO membership, Ukraine plans to be provided with security guarantees.

The phrase "security guarantees" for the 404 already makes me cringe. They've already been given them all! And they've signed everything! For nothing, but everything! And the junkie has boasted 500 times that he's covered in these guarantees from every angle. What else? Nuclear weapons from the Brits and the Franks? Then I don't know if the Guarantor has enough strength/willpower to simply fill all this nonsense with glass?...

[Michael]

Let us recall that under Zelenskyy, joining NATO as a strategic goal for Ukraine is enshrined in the Ukrainian constitution.

The picture says join NATO. There were pictures of feces, but I chose a harmless one.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

How can this be? Poor Ukrainians! They did all the dirty work for 30 years, from prostitution to cleaning toilets. They jumped around on the Maidan. They're fighting Russia. They've killed, God willing, almost 2 million people with forelocks. And now! NATO won't take them.

[Junior Private]

The clown needs to continue to zombify his guinea pigs. The NATO fairy tale is just another story for imbeciles. But there are privileges from NATO. Pay a percentage of GDP for protection (from whom???), buy F-35s, and hug and smile on live television with other clowns. And no one asked the newly-appointed members—the Swedes and Finns. But they were chosen mainly because of geography, and they will be paid in full.

[salawat1980]

When will this drag nach Osten end?

[ALCA056000]

I kept wondering who this Rutte reminded me of, and it dawned on me: "...British Prime Minister Blair was called US President George W. Bush's poodle..." Rutte took up the baton – Trump's poodle.

[tralflot1832]

Why does NATO need Ukraine? They should simply die for NATO, that's all. And that's it, the issue with the Ukrainians is closed. Europe has a lot of experience "closing issues."

[Pavel57]

Dissolve NATO, create an EU military organization, and accept Ukraine into it.

[Revolver]

Ukrainian conThe constitution stands for the fact that everyone and their dog violated it

There's a lot more "pro" than "con" there.

[silverwolf88]

The Sumerians just laugh at nuclear weapons.
Our Foreign Intelligence Service, of course, recently released the following sensational information: Britain and France are actively working to resolve the issue of providing Ukraine with nuclear weapons and delivery systems: this involves the covert transfer of European components, equipment, and technologies in this area. One option being considered is the French TN75 small-size warhead from the M51.1 submarine-launched ballistic missile. BUT there are some nuances (quoted by VVP)... namely...
To believe that even a single 175-kilogram TN-75 block would be transferred to a third party... you'd either have to binge-drink a treacherous solution, aka the evil water of the respected, failed academician Mendeleev, or immediately glaze the city of Paris down to its basalts. Because, all things being equal and with a deranged political system, the French military religiously maintains the most draconian control over its nuclear arsenal. Until 2019, only the President of the Fifth Republic had the exclusive and final authority to decide on any movement or use of nuclear weapons. But after the arrival of a resident of the Elysée Palace with an IQ level of a dry bread crust, in the guise of little Emmanuelle, with a ruthless, pugnacious husband, the military-political Gauls decided to play it safe. Having passed through the National Assembly a "foolproof" mechanism in the form of "two authorization keys." The first is in the possession of the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces (CEMA), the second is kept in a special briefcase by the Commander-in-Chief of the President of the Republic (the Chief Military Advisor to the President, CEMP). Without their knowledge and special signature, any manipulation of the nuclear arsenal or its delivery vehicles is impossible.
What's the point of all this red tape? The point is that the disappearance of even a single French TN75 into obscurity is impossible, even in theory. Each one is trailed by a long trail of terrifying Gallic military bureaucracy, driving the local slobs to distraction.
To the uninitiated, this strange configuration of the Regulations (or Codes, of which there are three) governing the use and internal circulation of France's nuclear weapons might seem outlandish. Unless you're familiar with the implacable struggle waged by the high command of the Fifth Republic's armed forces against their Commander-in-Chief. The Great Battle began on the very first day of the reign of a young, publicly unknown clerk from the depths of the Rothschild Bank in 2017. At the inauguration parade, in the presence of the notorious American president, Donald Trump.
I won't even touch on the hypothetical possibility of transferring British-made nuclear warheads to Kyiv; everything American there is under even more draconian supervision. The small British nuclear forces are described as "independent, with a minimum credible deterrent" (read the UK Ministry of Defence report however you like).
I'll try to guess why such a (pardon me) amateurish report from our Foreign Intelligence Service appeared. Probably for some kind of information campaign to preventatively deter our sworn partners. Clearly separating the conventional limits of aid to the Kyiv junta from the nuclear aspect of the confrontation. A drug-addicted comedian wouldn't even be allowed to sniff any special weapons; the political Gauls and Scots themselves have virtually zero access to their arsenals; stern warriors are in charge there.
These are the quotes from an expert I respect, this is the personal opinion of a small group from the sagging benches of the UAZ-452, an imperial combat class "loaf."

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

What were you jumping on the Maidan for?!!!!!!

[Roman_Vasilyevich]

...the issue of Ukraine's membership in the North Atlantic Treaty Organization is "no longer on the negotiating agenda."

From the "notes" of V.V. Mayakovsky:

Listen
Uncles from NATO!
In the ears
type in
steel rivet:
Not to happen
Khokhlu
in a pot-bellied alliance,
Don't sit
on a chair
European ass!

You
promised
golden mountains,
In the face
suya
a blank piece of paper.
But in reality -
fences,
constipation,
And pants
turned
in a torn vest!

Looks
Zelensky
through the keyhole,
Eye
overlooked
to the very bottom.
And in Brussels -
it's important that way,
harmoniously:
"Mestov,
they say
no.
War-with...
"Ha-na!"

Enough
hope
on Uncle Sam!
Understand,
Ukrainian,
a simple thing:
For them
You -
not a member,
but just a problem,
Which
can
under the root
cut off!

Are you standing at the threshold?
Keep going!
In the reception area
getting moldy
a bouquet of hopes.
NATO -
this building
from pure falsehood,
Where is it for you?
sign:
"NO ENTRY!"

[guest]

If Ukraine is not accepted into NATO in the foreseeable future

If it is accepted into the EU, the result will be essentially the same. The EU has long since become the new NATO.

[a vacuum cleaner]

That's how it will be in reality, if Trump is gone, Rutte will immediately change his tune, as he has done more than once.

[Arifon]

Only one country can guarantee Ukraine's security, and everyone knows the conditions.

[alexputnik17]

Quote: Vasyan1971

No. It can't. Leaving NATO isn't a one-time process, like "just want to leave." How long did it take Britain, for example, to leave the EU? It's the same story here... They simply won't survive.

Moreover, the NATO Charter doesn't stipulate a withdrawal procedure. They could denounce the agreement. Is this their first time?
I don't think so. They could formally just give up on NATO. Reduce the contingents, funding, and so on. They need NATO, even without Russia, to control their vassals in Europe and Asia.
And yes, Trump did threaten Rutte's secretary with something similar about leaving, because a journalist asked the latter the same direct question, and he got scared... I won't answer, the dialogue was good, we are friends... Who? The secretary and the billionaire narcissist president of the hegemon?

[alexputnik17]

Quote: vacuum cleaner

Rutte will change his tune in no time.

I'd say she'll quickly undress and then get dressed. What did you expect from the classic "advanced" secretaries? They are...

[501 Legion]

If Russia doesn't eliminate all the ringleaders and complete all the operation's objectives, things will get even worse. NATO will take the Ukrainians, purely on principle, so that they remain victims of Russia, while Russia itself constantly wastes resources on war with its neighbors.

[Misza1963]

A jeśli USA wyjdą z NATO?
Zostanie tylko ekipa szaleńców. A wtedy mogą przyjac i Armenię, i Azerbejdżan, i Kazachstan, i może nawet Japonię. Taka oś.
I nikt im nie zabroni.
Ukraine do NATO przyjmowali i bidenowcy. A mogli. Jednak nie chcieli. Zatem Ukraine w NATO bez USA to pewnik, z USA to sytuacja odwrotna.
Oczywiście, że zmieniają się różne rzeczy. Lecz chęć rozbicia i rozkruszenia Rosji nie.
Zachód zasmakowal w tym w l.90. To była Bonanza.
Takie interesy... I can't wait to see it.
Trump jest nienormalny. Ale za nim stoi trochę normalnych. Niezbyt dużo, jak widać, ale jednak. Trump może wyjść z NATO. Lecz kto inny może wrócić. Bo wyjście to nie jest zabranie wszystkich zabawek i zniknięcie.
Można wyjść z NATO, ale nie z Europy.
Jeśli USA wyszłyby z NATO, to Polska zrobi wszystko i więcej, aby ich wojska zostały w Polsce. W ramach...dobrego sąsiedztwa.
Wchodzenie, wychodzenie, ten taniec szalonego czarownika to są tylko zabawy. Rutte, choć głupi jak stubb, to wyczuwa. Odegra swoją rolę przestraszonego kurczaka bez głowy, lecz więcej nie musi.
Jedyne zaś, co wyniknie z tej jego gry, to, że od teraz NATO dla jego członków, jeśli chodzi o kwestie niezbyt jasne, jest organizacją niegodna zaufania. Showing to Greenland. Pokazuje to w tej chwili całkowity rozpad jedności w kwestii Izraela.
Same to best już dobra wiadomością.
Prawdopodobnie wg mnie,bez względu na USA, powstanie coś dodatkowego. Obok NATO jako zombie, wymyśla bardzo śmieszny sojusz np.angielskopolskopribałtycki. Ale bez Francji. Bez Niemiec.
On będzie wyjątkowo groźny. Lecz tylko jako organizacja terrorystyczna. Ukraińcy mogą dołączyć.
I oni razem, nie przejmując się trupem NATO, będą drażnić Rosję, obrzydzać życie, dokonywać różnych aktów terroru. Będą także intrygować, próbować rozbijac, atakować gdziekolwiek będą mogli rosyjskie obiekty i ludzi. Też wymyśla jakiś pkt.5.
I ich trzeba będzie zniszczyć.
Doszczętnie.
And NATO?
Nie potrafiłoby nawet zorganizować operacji "Dunaj" w Luksemburgu.