The First Centuries of Russian History. Traces of the Scandinavians

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The First Centuries of Russian History. Traces of the Scandinavians
A. D. Kivshenko. The Calling of the Prince


В previous article We discussed the "Tale of Bygone Years," as well as the information about the Slavs and Rus' found in surviving works by Greek, Roman, Khazar, Persian, and Arabic authors. Today, we'll continue this story. We'll discuss the so-called "dispersal of the Slavs," the state of Samo, and the Rus' and Slavs of Byzantine and European chronicles. And in the next article, we'll explore the so-called "Russian Land," modern versions of the origins of the word "Rus'," and contemporary views on the notorious "Norman problem."



Great migration of peoples


In the second half of the sixth century, the Slavs became the main players in the so-called Great Migration of Peoples. This was likely due to constant pressure from the Huns and Avars.


The settlement of the Slavs

The Slavic migration of the 6th-8th centuries was the final stage of the Great Migration and is officially referred to as the "dispersal of the Slavs." It proceeded in three main directions. The first was to the south (the Balkan Peninsula) into the domains of the Byzantine Empire. Interestingly, the Slavic penetration into the Balkans was so successful that the Byzantine Emperor Constantine Porphyrogenitus sadly noted in the 10th century that his entire country had become "Slavicized."

The second was to the east (along the East European Plain). The third was to the west (into the Middle Danube region and the Oder-Elbe interfluve). In 622-623, the struggle between small, disparate Western European (Czecho-Moravian) tribes and the Avars was led by Samo (Samoslav?), who was likely a Frankish merchant, but possibly a Slav who had lived long among the Franks. According to the chronicler Fredegar, Samo arrived in Moravia "to trade at the head of an entire detachment." He united a number of tribal principalities, creating the first state of the Western Slavs. Having defeated the Avars, Samo also routed the Franks in 631 and expanded the country's territory in the northwest at the expense of the lands of the Sorbian-Luzatian tribes inhabiting the basin of the Middle Elbe.


State Samo

In 658 (following the death of its leader), this state disintegrated, Avar raids continued, and in 745, the Slovene (Croatian) prince Borut was forced to surrender Carantania (the Slovene center in the eastern Alps) to the protection of the Duke of Bavaria. In 788, Carantania became part of the Frankish Empire.

Other Slavic tribes


As for the Antes, they were divided into the Tivertsi, Croats, and Ulich tribes, all of whom are mentioned in Russian chronicles. The "Bavarian Geographer," compiled in the East Frankish Kingdom no later than the third quarter of the 9th century, also mentions the Slavic tribes of Buzhans, Volynians, and Ulichs. The same work first mentions Rus' (Ruzzi), localizing it somewhere in the south of Eastern Europe, most likely in the region of the middle Dnieper. According to the so-called Cottonian (Priscian) map, created around 1000 by an unknown Anglo-Saxon priest, Slavic tribes also lived in approximately the same area: the inscription "Slavs" (sclavi) is placed east of Silesia, between the southern coast of the Baltic Sea and the Danube.

Scandinavian trace


В previous article It was said that, according to the testimony of many medieval foreign authors, the Slavs and Rus' lived in the same territory, but seemingly as neighbors. Indeed, five separate major centers of Scandinavian presence have been identified archaeologically: Staraya Ladoga, Gorodishche near Novgorod, Gnezdovo near Smolensk, Timerevo in the Yaroslavl region, and the Shestovitsky burial ground near Chernigov. Even in Novgorod itself, the number of archaeological finds of Norman origin is relatively small; for example, out of 233 pieces of jewelry from the 10th–11th centuries, only 7 are Scandinavian. There are even fewer such finds in the Kyiv area.

The Norman outpost at Aldeigjuborg (Ladoga) deserves special mention. Here, the Scandinavians transferred from their traditional "longships" to "single-tree" ships, rested before or after a campaign, and sold some of their goods. Stopping at Ladoga deprived them of their main advantage—the element of surprise. They could proceed south only after capturing Novgorod, a difficult task that also deprived the campaign of the element of surprise, or after receiving permission from the Novgorod authorities. Therefore, in the Slavic principalities, the Normans were not Vikings, but merchants, mercenaries, or transit guests (en route to Constantinople for recruitment).

The Normans were keenly interested in the affairs of the neighboring Slavic principalities. The "baptism of Rus'" was immediately known in distant Iceland, but the Scandinavians knew nothing about the "summoning of the Varangians." Yet the change of power in strategically located Novgorod was a very important and extraordinary event. This suggests that even if some minor leader had appeared in Holmgard, his role was minor and nothing fundamentally changed. This was neither the conquest of a neighboring state nor the founding of a new one. And the semi-legendary Rurik himself clearly cannot claim any role in the formation of Russian statehood—whoever he was: an Obodrite, the son of a Scandinavian and an Obodrite princess, or a Viking named "Herraud the Falcon, son of Ludbrand the Victorious, the Trustworthy," who belonged to the dynasty of rulers of Jutland.

From his older brother, Herraud-Rurik inherited a fief in Friesland, which he lost after a conflict with Emperor Lothair. He spent some time as a pirate in the North Sea, and in 845, he took part in a major Norman expedition, when a large Viking fleet entered the mouth of the Elbe, threatening Hamburg. However, the expedition ended in failure due to an epidemic.

In 850, Herraud-Rurik made peace with Lothair, who returned Friesland to him on the condition that he protect it from other Vikings. However, in 854, Lothair divided Friesland between his sons, and Rurik was again left without an inheritance. In 857, the Danish ruler Horik II granted Herraud-Rurik part of his lands between the North Sea and the Eider River, and then his name disappeared from the historical Chronicles—some believe it was at this time that he was "summoned" to the Slovenes. Historians also have at their disposal an extremely interesting account from the "Bavarian Geographer" (a document compiled in the East Frankish Kingdom no later than the third quarter of the 9th century), according to which "Frisians" serve in the army of the "Russians" of its author's time:

The Russians, whose army is free Frisians.

In January 863, Herraud-Rurik attacked the Rhineland city of Neuss, which is said to have recently converted to Christianity. In 873, he received a fief from Charles the Bold, and died in 874. According to Russian sources, Rurik died in the territory of modern-day Karelia in 879.

Another oddity of the Tale of Bygone Years is the punning names of Rurik's brothers. Even modern Swedes clearly recognize the sine hus (family) in the name Sineus, and the thru varing (faithful retinue) in the name Truvor. However, E.A. Melnikova believes that in Old Norse, these expressions would have been pronounced differently. She suggests that the reference is to people with the names Þórvar[ð]r and Signjótr, which in Russian transcription would be rendered as Truvor and Sineus. And since the sources mention nothing about their descendants, they may not have been Rurik's relatives, but rather the commanders of his retinue.

And what about Gostomysl, who supposedly came up with the idea of ​​inviting the Varangians? According to vague chronicle references, he was the son of the tribal chieftain Burivoy, who:

He had a difficult war with the Varangians, and, having defeated them many times... finally... having been defeated and having lost almost his entire army, he went to the city of Korela and died there.

The Annals of Xanten mention a certain Gustimusl, a Slavic leader in the land of the Obodrites, whose descendants are now considered the Novgorod Slavs. As early as the 12th century, Novgorod maintained contact with the West Slavic city of Volin.

So, it seems some Gostomysl did exist after all. But this doesn't resolve the main question: was he truly a Slovenian prince? Or at least the head of a clan? Or perhaps memories of him are echoes of some other history, not our own?

Gostomysl continued his father's work with varying success, and the greatest defeat of his life, according to the chronicles, was the death of all four sons, although his three daughters, married off to various countries, were alive and well and had children. It was among their grandchildren that the Novgorod Slavs decided to seek a prince. The outcome is well known.

A much greater role in the history of Rus' was played by the successor of the semi-mythical Rurik, Oleg, whose nickname is a literal translation into Russian of the "telling" name Helgi. Snorri Sturlsson, author of the collection of "royal" sagas "The Circle of the Earth" and "The Younger Edda," writes on this subject:

Sigrun (the name of the Valkyrie) drew Helgi into the great battle, and with Odin's blessing, she brought him a great victory. He became the conqueror of all kings. His very name has since become a byword, meaning "prophetic leader," "leader guided by spirits."

That is, our famous prince is called “Prophetic” in two languages ​​and twice.


Monument to Rurik and Oleg in Old Ladoga

Oleg made a fateful decision: to leave Novgorod, where the princes had virtually no power, and head south, where, again, an existing city—Kyiv—was not founded but captured. And, with little knowledge of the local language, he declared this city not the father, but the mother of Russian cities.


The murder of Askold and Dir by order of the Prophetic Oleg in an engraving by A. Bruni, 1839

We can also find a similar character in the sagas—Orvar Odd (Odd the Arrow). The only problem is that "Orvar-Oddsaga" belongs to the genre of "sagas of ancient times," which the Scandinavians themselves considered fairy tales. But if we discard all the fairy tale episodes and elements, the bottom line is that we still see a man similar to "Oleg the Prophet": the general biographical details are identical, right down to his death by snakebite.

Most modern researchers agree that the famous Princess Olga was a woman of Varangian descent, but born somewhere near Pskov.


V. Vasnetsov. Princess Olga

The Danish historian Saxo Grammaticus calls her Helga and the sister of the Danish king Ingelus, while the manuscript Synopsis of Undolus asserts that she was Oleg's daughter. Excerpts from Olga's speeches, preserved in chronicles, reveal obvious Scandinavisms. For example, Olga reproaches the Byzantine ambassadors who arrived in Kyiv for "standing before the emperor in court in skutars." Skuta, in Old Norse, means a single-masted vessel, and sund means strait. This means that the Byzantines kept her and her entire retinue on boats in the Bosphorus, not allowing them to disembark. Moreover, she says this in a fit of irritation, when she doesn't choose her words, but utters the first ones that come to mind and, therefore, the most familiar.

There are reports that Olga's parents entrusted the young girl to an aunt for upbringing—uncommon among Slavs, but quite common among Viking Age Scandinavians. The account of Olga's behavior after her husband's murder by the Drevlians reads like a typical "Pryad" (a short prose tale often part of a saga). Revenge through funeral rites is a favorite motif in Scandinavian sagas; variants of the legend of burning a city with the help of birds can be found in the works of Snorri Sturlsson and Saxo Grammaticus.

The son of Olga and Igor (Ingvar) already bears a Slavic name - Svyatoslav, although many prominent commanders of his squad still have Scandinavian names.


The Kievan army, led by Sveneld and Asmud, defeats the Drevlians. Miniature from the Radziwill Chronicle.

However, Sveneld, the de facto co-ruler of Igor, Olga, and Svyatoslav, also gave his sons Slavic names – Lyut and Mstisha. This is not surprising: in Normandy, the descendants of Hrolf the Walker and his warriors quickly became so "Frenchified" that they forgot the "northern tongue," and to teach it to his grandson, Hrolf had to invite a tutor from Scandinavia.

It's worth noting once again that the accounts of that time are riddled with inconsistencies in dates. Based on some sources, V. Tatishchev claimed Olga was baptized at age 68, while B. Rybakov calculated that she was between 28 and 32 at the time. The age difference between Igor and his wife is truly staggering. If we combine the data from various chronicles, it turns out that Olga lived in the village of Vydubitskoye, near the already existing Pskov, which, nevertheless, she founded after her return from Byzantium. She was a simple, modest girl, yet the eldest daughter of the famous Gostomysl. Her real name was Prekrasa, and she was later given the name "Veshka," or Helga, for her wisdom. Her younger sister, Gostomysl's middle daughter Umila, was Rurik's mother.

In 880, 19-year-old Igor first met Prekrasa, who ferried him across the river in a boat. According to some chronicles, the "maiden" was 120 years old at the time. Twenty-three years later (in 903), she married Igor, and gave birth to Svyatoslav 39 years later, in 942—at approximately 180 years old. When the princess was around 200 years old, the Byzantine emperor fell in love with her. She then lived for another 12 years. Therefore, many historians believe that in reality, there were several Olegs, several Olgas, and several Igors in Rus', who might not even have been related. Helga's "spirit-guided" Oleg may not be a proper name in this case, but a title, and Ingvar (the Younger) is the deputy ruler.

It's worth noting that in 2002 and 2006, interesting genetic studies were conducted that are directly related to the issue under discussion. The Y chromosome, which is passed down unchanged for hundreds and thousands of generations and only through the male line, was studied in Rurik's descendants. It turned out that people considered to be descendants of Rurik belong to two completely different branches of population markers, meaning they are descendants of two different male ancestors.

Vladimir Monomakh, for example, has the Scandinavian genetic marker N, while his uncle Svyatoslav has the Slavic R1a. Some researchers believe the reason could have been the infidelity of Yaroslav the Wise's wife, the Swedish princess Ingigerd, who was unable to resist the masculine charms of the Norwegian king Olav Haraldsson, who was forced to stay with them. This is especially true since the young Ingigerd had once passionately desired to marry Yaroslav: with great difficulty, she was persuaded to marry him. On the other hand, Vladimir Svyatoslavich is referred to as "the Old" in a number of sources—a clear reference not to the ruler's age, but to his role as the founder of the dynasty. This means that the previous princes may indeed not have been related.

Vladimir Svyatoslavich is already very well known to the authors of the sagas, since the future king of Norway and patron saint of Iceland, Olaf Tryggvason, was raised at his court, and this prince also captured Kyiv with the help of Scandinavian mercenaries.


Monument to Olav Trygvason in Trondheim

However, Vladimir is known to the Scandinavians only as the ruler of a foreign state; they don't consider him "one of their own." Therefore, if Vladimir was a direct descendant of Rurik, and Rurik was indeed a Norman king summoned to Novgorod, then by this time both he and the other Scandinavians in Rus' had been completely assimilated and Slavized.

Many Russian princes subsequently became, if not heroes, then characters in sagas; some even had second, Scandinavian names. Yaroslav the Wise's son Vsevolod, for example, is known in Scandinavia as Holti, while Vladimir Monomakh's son Mstislav is known as Harald. Two more future kings of Norway—Magnus and Harald Hardrada (Stern)—hid from their enemies at the court of Yaroslav the Wise, and Harald also became the prince's son-in-law.


Harald Hardrada. Stained glass window in Kirkwall Cathedral, Orkney.


Magnus Olavson

But that is a completely different story, which has nothing to do with the supposed “first wave” Scandinavians.

And what did the Europeans and Byzantines say about the Rus?

Rus' in Byzantine and European Chronicles


The Annals of Bertin claim that in 839, envoys from the Byzantine Emperor Theophilus accompanied the court of the Frankish Emperor Louis the Pious. "They said their people were called Rhos, and they said their king, named Hakan (Scandinavian name Hakon? Turkic title Khagan?), had sent him (Theophilus) out of friendship" (Prudentius). It turned out that these "Rhos" spoke a "northern language" and were suspiciously similar to the "Sweones." Meanwhile, just two years earlier, the Normans had attacked Frankish lands, and therefore the "Rhos" were considered spies. They were detained, and unfortunately, nothing is known about their subsequent fate.

Speaking of Khaganates: in 871, Louis the German, in a letter to Basil the Macedonian, counted four of them – Khazar, Avar, Bulgarian and… Norman.

In 844, some of the Normans who had arrived on the shores of France headed south and laid siege to Seville. Local chronicles refer to the newcomers as warriors of the "people of Ar-Rus." Abu al-Hasan al-Mas'udi (died 951), known as the "Arab Herodotus," wrote of the same:

Ships came to Andalusia by sea, with some people on them, and they attacked its coast... And these people are the Rus, whom we have already mentioned, for no one but them sails on this sea, which connects with the Ocean Sea.


Viking ship. Miniature from a 10th-century manuscript.

New information about the "Rhos" in Greek and Western European sources relates to the events of 860, when the army of the "Rhos people" marched on Constantinople. It is this campaign that religious tradition associates with the so-called "miracle of the immersion of the Holy Virgin's veil into the sea": supposedly, after this, a storm arose, sinking the enemy's vessel. fleetBut contemporaries, it seems, were unaware of any miracle, and were convinced of the Byzantine defeat. Pope Nicholas I, for example, reproached Emperor Michael III for the fact that the invaders left unavenged, and Patriarch Photius, who was in Constantinople at the time, reported that "the city was not taken by their (the Russians') mercy." He bitterly lamented in his sermon:

A nameless people, not considered for anything, unknown, but who received a name from the time of the campaign against us... Having reached a brilliant height and immeasurable wealth - oh, what a disaster sent down to us from God.

(“Two conversations of His Holiness Patriarch Photius of Constantinople on the occasion of the Russian invasion”).

And in the “Circular Letter” to the Eastern archbishops, he says that the Russians came from the “northern country”, live far from the Greeks, beyond many countries, navigable rivers and seas without shelter.

The chaplain of the Venetian Doge John the Deacon (11th century) reports that during the reign of Emperor Michael III, Constantinople was attacked by the Normans, who, having arrived on 360 ships,

They fought around the city, mercilessly killed many people, and returned home in triumph.

The Spanish merchant of Jewish descent, Ibrahim ibn Ya'qub al-Isra'ili at-Turtushi, reached Hungary and the Czech Republic, and possibly Poland, in the 960s–980s. He also differentiated the Rus' from the Slavs: he wrote that "Rus' and Slavs come to Prague from the city of Krakow," and that the state of the Polish prince Mieszko bordered "the Rus' to the east and the Prussians to the north."

The Byzantine historian John Skylitzes (who, by the way, described Princess Olga's visit to Constantinople and her baptism) reports in his "Review of History," written before 1079:

Everything lying on the banks of the Euxine and its coast was ravaged and devastated in raids by the fleet of the Russians, who lived near the Northern Taurus (Crimea), a rough and wild people.

The 10th-century chronicler Liutprand of Cremona categorically states:

The Greeks call Russos the people whom we call Nordmannos according to their place of residence.

He placed the "People of Ros" next to the Pechenegs and Khazars.

The Rhymed Chronicle of the Dukes of Normandy, written around 1175 by the poet Benoît de Sainte-Maure, states:

Between the Danube, the Ocean and the land of the Alans
there is an island called Scansi
and I believe that this is the land of Russia.
Like bee hives,
They take off in huge mighty swarms
from thousands and thousands of fierce fighters,
and rush into battle, drawing their swords,
inflamed with anger, as one for all and all for one.
This great nation can attack large countries,
and give fierce battles,
and win glorious victories.

Bishop Adalbert of Magdeburg, who corresponded with Princess Olga (she asked him to send missionaries to preach Christianity), calls her the queen not of the Slavs, but of the Rus'—even though she ruled precisely in Slavic lands. Regarding the Rus', he states that they are part of a people whose western part perished in Noricum (a Roman province on the right bank of the Upper Danube) and in Italy in the fifth century.

Thus, Liutprand of Cremona, Bishop Adalbert and the author of the "Bavarian Geographer" unanimously assert that the Rus' of their time were not Slavs, but people of Scandinavian origin, and that they appeared on the banks of the Dnieper long before the "calling" of Rurik.

Perhaps it's time to take a short break. We'll continue and finish this story in the next article.
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  1. + 12
    April 12 2026 04: 11
    Christ is Risen!

    And so the three brothers came,
    Middle-aged Varangians,
    They look - the earth is rich,
    There is no order at all.


    It seems like some time has passed since A.K. Tolstoy. But we don't know much more.

    Not only Rurik, but also Oleg and Olga are legendary figures.

    And it’s good that they are in our history.
    1. +5
      April 12 2026 04: 55
      Even to their descendants, they were mythical creatures; no one named their son or daughter after their great ancestors; a few rare individuals out of hundreds and thousands of potential heirs became Ruriks, Olgas, and Olegs. But there was no escape for the Vsevolods, Mstislavs, and Izyaslavs; leafing through the chronicles, you'll find who was who, who they fought with, and who they allied with—it's mind-boggling.
      1. VLR
        +6
        April 12 2026 08: 07
        At least two Russian princes bore the name Rurik, both Rostislavichs, one of Peremyshl, the other of Kiev, mentioned in "The Tale of Igor's Campaign." Moreover, it is possible that it was also named "falcon": it is written that "Olga's brave nest" was not born "to offend either Sokol or Krechet"—a hint at the meaning of the name Rurik? A third Rurik, of Chernigov, is mentioned in the chronicles, but his existence is questionable. There are many Igors and even Ingvars. And the Ryazan prince, who died shortly before Batu's siege of the city, was actually Ingvar Igorevich. And there are many Olegs, the first of whom was the brother of Vladimir Svyatoslavich (the Saint).
        1. -4
          April 12 2026 12: 36
          At least two Russian princes bore the name Rurik.
          And they were born a couple of hundred years later. When Rurik's descendants were already limited to a train and a small wagon. Apparently, somewhere out there, the princes invented the idea of ​​having a legendary ancestor. They are the Rurikids, and they are the ones in power here.
    2. + 10
      April 12 2026 06: 33
      Truly risen!
      Hello Sergey, good morning to the honest company.
      Dear Valery (the author) is a Normanist, albeit a rather moderate one. Therefore, expecting a different selection of sources would be rash.
      I agree with only one thing: underestimating the role of representatives of the House of Rurik in the history of our Fatherland is quite reckless. The participation of the Varangians, Kobyaks, Rus', Chud, and others like them in these processes is secondary. The disintegration of tribal communities brought to the forefront leaders who carved out their place in the sun. Attila, Samo, and Rurik differ in only one respect. The work of the former remains only on the pages of history, while the "brainchild" of the latter writes history itself.
      In this matter, the main thing is not who Rurik is, but that we consider ourselves his “descendants”...
      1. +9
        April 12 2026 06: 53
        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
        Attila, Samo, and Rurik differ in only one respect. The work of the former remains only in the pages of history, while the "brainchild" of the latter writes history itself.
        From your list, remaining only on the pages of history, I would remove the founder of the state of Samo and place him there, where history is writtenSlavic historians from the Czech Republic and Slovakia highly value this state, considering it an integral part of the development of the entire Slavic world, for it was in Samo, in this still embryonic statehood, that the Slavs were able to organize an alliance to fight the Avars...
      2. +3
        April 12 2026 07: 50
        At least, if we are to build a portrait gallery, we will start with Rurik.

        With Gostomysl it’s a little more complicated.

        And Rurik appears in the most unusual way:

        The white-eyed Chud does not want to look beyond death.
        It's a pity, there are plenty of saucers, but there is no one to turn the table with,
        to ask you, Rurik.
      3. 0
        April 12 2026 22: 08
        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
        In this matter, the main thing is not who Rurik is, but that we consider ourselves his “descendants”...

        On the one hand, it seems so, but on the other hand... I'd like to know, but there is a concept that this is impossible.
        I'm constantly amazed by authors' inability to support their claims with references to chronicles. Even if the author of a chronicle was an eyewitness to an event, it's merely their own interpretation of it. But such witnesses are nonexistent; they all write their "chronicles" from the words of others, who, in turn, weren't direct witnesses to the event. Yes, by comparing the accounts of multiple chronicles on the same event, one can draw certain conclusions, but even these will not be the truth.
    3. 0
      April 12 2026 08: 37
      "Scratch a Russian and you'll find a Tatar" - unknown author. Here's the answer to all your genealogical research! 😄😄😄😄!
      1. +3
        April 12 2026 08: 48
        It's good when we can name our great-grandfathers.

        It is important not to turn into “Ivans who don’t remember their kinship.”

        At least my grandson has something to tell. If, of course, the conversation turns to it. And it will.
      2. VLR
        + 12
        April 12 2026 09: 49
        Scratch a Russian and you'll find a Tatar."

        Attributed to Joseph de Maistre, Napoleon and Alexander Pushkin.
        But modern researchers were surprised to discover that it was precisely the "Tatar-Mongols" who left no traces in the Russian gene pool.
        1. +4
          April 12 2026 12: 39
          Yes, the Tatar-Mongols left little gene pool in the gene pool of today's Tatars. laughing
          1. +7
            April 12 2026 13: 20
            Quote from alexoff
            Yes, the Tatar-Mongols left little gene pool in the gene pool of today's Tatars.


            What relationship do modern Tatars have to the "Tatar-Mongols"?
            The current Kazan Tatars are the heirs of the Volga Bulgaria, which appeared long before Batu Khan.
            1. +1
              April 12 2026 13: 57
              Well, somehow they got the name. And what does the Tatar tribe, who lived near the Amur and was defeated by the Mongols, have to do with this? Well, it's kind of like the strawberry in the joke about one lieutenant traveling laughing
            2. 0
              April 12 2026 22: 15
              Quote: Illanatol


              What relationship do modern Tatars have to the "Tatar-Mongols"?
              The current Kazan Tatars are the heirs of the Volga Bulgaria, which appeared long before Batu Khan.

              When I was doing my military service, I served with a "Tatar," as he claimed: "We're not Tatars, we're Bulgars." According to his grandparents and great-grandparents, in the 20s and 30s, everyone was being re-registered as Tatars. Incidentally, the same thing happened in the Outskirts. At the same time, all Russians were being re-registered as Ukrainians.
        2. +2
          April 13 2026 15: 32
          Quote: VlR
          Attributed to Joseph de Maistre, Napoleon and Alexander Pushkin.

          Well, I can't speak for the French, but Alexander Sergeyevich, being an educated man, knew perfectly well that a good half of the Russian noble families had ancestors of one kind or another from the Horde. And since everyone in this corporation was related to one another through marriage, his opinion is not surprising. request
      3. 0
        26 June 2026 21: 08
        Quote: andrewkor
        ..."Scratch a Russian and you'll find a Tatar."

        wassat
        And the famous proverb now sounds like this: “Scratch a Tatar and you will find a Russian” (according to Balanovsky). Yes
    4. +7
      April 12 2026 12: 17
      Truly Risen!

      Peace, good luck, love to everyone, take care of each other...
    5. +8
      April 12 2026 12: 31
      Christ is Risen!

      Truly Risen!
    6. 0
      April 12 2026 15: 52
      -Vladimir Svyatoslavich.
      Malusha's mother (Malka) was apparently Jewish. Although in a well-known chronicle, she is the daughter of the Drevlian prince Mal. The Slavs didn't have such a name, much less a prince. Most likely, the Drevlian leader was named Malomir.
      Brother Dobrynya... Nikitich, the prototype of the famous hero.
      The name Malka is Hebrew for "queen." Malusha (Slavic name) Malomirovna, the heiress of a dynasty descended from the legendary Zhitomir, or Malka Lyubechanka, daughter of Mal Lyubechanin.
      In any case, Dobrynya isn't her brother. The theory is that he was Vladimir's lover, his father.
      His uncle, the governor, treated him with great reverence (in a fatherly way).
      Princess Olga, born around 893/920. A strange discrepancy. Prince Vladimir, born ~960.
      In any case, he is not Olga's son, but her grandson, given the early marriages of that time. From the marriage of her daughter to one of the legitimate Bulgarian tsars—I read a Bulgarian source about half a century ago. Hence his desire to escape the tutelage of Swaneld and Co. and take his rightful throne in Dorostol.
      And one more thing. Rarog (falling/attacking falcon) is the ancient capital of the Obodrites. A descendant of the Western Slavs.
      with this name he married the daughter of Prince Gostomysl and began to rule in his lands.
      1. 0
        April 13 2026 12: 00
        Vladimir Svyatoslavich.
        Mother Malusha (Malka) is apparently Jewish.
        Malusha is not a name, but a nickname.
        Her name was quite Russian.
    7. +1
      April 13 2026 11: 58
      Not only Rurik, but also Oleg and Olga are legendary figures.
      The legendary Rurik, and Oleg, was the first Russian prince mentioned in Greek chronographs, from where, apparently, he "migrated" to Russian chronicles.
      1. 0
        April 13 2026 16: 31
        Can we know for sure the years of Olga’s life?
        1. +2
          April 14 2026 11: 31
          After the archives were opened in the 21st century, it was discovered that we don't even really know the history of the Great Patriotic War. Currently, this history is only being compiled anew.
          What can we say about the events of the 8th-10th centuries, when there was no written language in Rus' yet?
          1. 0
            April 14 2026 17: 00
            That's what I'm talking about.

            More than once I caught myself thinking that I can sense certain nuances of time only starting from the time of Alexei Mikhailovich.

            With all due respect to historians.
            1. -2
              April 14 2026 17: 55
              Exactly. In my opinion, history departments teach how to compose and present legends so that they resemble genuine scientific research. laughing
              That's all there is to science
  2. +3
    April 12 2026 04: 30
    It's strange that the Varangians themselves were unaware of their own Rus tribe, and no skald composed a song about how they heroically sailed down the Dnieper and plundered the Greeks from an unexpected direction. It must have been the name of some small gang that grew, and then the origin of the name was forgotten. And the ancestors of the Cossacks sailed to their neighbors—a rabble of everyone, more or less speaking the same language.
    1. +6
      April 12 2026 06: 44
      They could only advance south after capturing Novgorod, a very difficult task and, again, depriving the campaign of the element of surprise, or after receiving permission from the Novgorod authorities. Therefore, in the territory of the Slavic principalities, the Normans were not Vikings, but merchants, mercenaries, or transit guests (en route to recruitment in Constantinople).

      To be honest, the argument is so-so.
      In its early history, Old Ladoga repeatedly fell out of and returned back into the sphere of influence of Rurik's descendants.
      The Vikings could always have taken Novgorod as their shield, just like Paris, Yerk, London, and the like, but… apparently, that didn't meet their expectations. Trade and service were more profitable. Incidentally, the northeast (the White Sea coast and the Barents Sea) was periodically subject to Scandinavian raids. The mythical (at least somewhat) Bioria is one example of this expansion. The Ilmen Slavs, however, were not far behind their neighbors.
      1. +6
        April 12 2026 09: 23
        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
        The Vikings could always have taken Novgorod under their wing, like Paris, Yerk, London, and the like, but… apparently, that didn't meet their expectations. It was more profitable to trade and serve.

        Archaeology confirms this... Most of the Scandinavian artifacts of that time were found there (in the north), in the middle Volga region, as well as in the middle and lower Dnieper region (with Kiev in the south)... The Volga and Dnieper were the "standard" trade routes of the Rus to the east (where Ibn Fadlan saw them) and to Byzantium (the previously mentioned treaties that have come down to us)... Trade, even of that time, prefers "silence" rather than fighting at every step
        1. +1
          April 12 2026 14: 00
          Back then, they'd find all sorts of things along the roads, and whatever they were carrying ended up with the locals. You have to look at the burials to see who lived there, but they weren't exactly keen on burying people in the Varangian style.
          1. +6
            April 12 2026 16: 50
            Quote from alexoff
            Who lived - you have to look at the burials, but there was no desire to bury according to the Varangian model.

            Why? There are burial mounds with Scandinavian artifacts near Yaroslavl and Vladimir, and the burial inventory is very similar to those from eastern Scandinavia.
            1. -1
              April 12 2026 18: 05
              Of the tens of thousands of other burial mounds? Perhaps they were hired by Novgorodians to centralize power, as was common practice in those days? They probably found dirhams and Crimean amphorae there, too; we can draw a whole host of conclusions.
              1. +4
                April 12 2026 18: 20
                Quote from alexoff
                They probably found dirhams there too.

                Of course... the Ross went to the East not for "silks", but specifically for eastern silver in exchange for beaver pelts and other "junk" :)
                1. +1
                  April 12 2026 21: 01
                  To buy a sword and a helmet with this silver! Actually, Peter the Great was the first to notice that our sword iron was imported from the Swedes, but they just went ahead and cut off the supply chain. We had to implement import substitution in the shortest possible time; our autocrat couldn't even dream of such agility.
            2. 0
              April 12 2026 22: 23
              Quote: Rodez
              Near Yaroslavl and Vladimir there are burial mounds with Scandinavian artifacts,

              And what does this mean? For me, it means nothing.
      2. +1
        April 12 2026 12: 42
        Rus' wasn't rich enough, and it was evil and vengeful enough to avoid getting into trouble. The Varangians bailed on most of the squabbles. And then they would come back to plunder in return. Unlike the English and French.
    2. +4
      April 12 2026 09: 00
      how they heroically rafted down the Dnieper and robbed the Greeks from an unexpected direction

      Let's recall an episode from the chronicles. When Vladimir captured Kyiv, some of the Scandinavian mercenaries decided to leave to serve in Byzantium. And on this occasion, they asked for guides, because, as was said, they didn't know the way there. So, among a gang of seasoned Vikings, who, it is said, had been roaming the Dnieper route for 200 years by that time, there wasn't a single one who knew the way? It's incomprehensible...
      1. +3
        April 12 2026 16: 07
        Good afternoon, Pavel!
        Some of the Scandinavian mercenaries decided to go serve in Byzantium. And on this occasion, they asked for guides,

        Judging by the runic inscriptions, some of the Scandinavian mercenaries decided to leave to serve in Byzantium. And on this occasion, they asked for guides. Reaching the Dnieper was akin to a civic heroism, as depicted on the tombstones on Gotland.
        1. VLR
          +4
          April 12 2026 16: 25
          Vladimir's Varangians were randomly recruited Vikings who were free from other obligations at the time, perhaps having previously operated in the west and knowing little about the Russian lands. After winning, Vladimir delayed paying the Varangian mercenaries while he himself spent
          Agitation and outreach work among the most competent of them—"good, intelligent, and brave men"—who ultimately remained in his service. The remaining Varangians, realizing they would receive nothing and that power was no longer on their side, asked to be released to serve in Constantinople. Vladimir gladly granted them leave and even provided guides, since the men were armed and very dangerous. Perhaps he even suggested the idea himself: why sit here when you could get ten times more in Constantinople—the Romans had "gold as rich as Kyiv candy" there. But he sent messengers to the emperor:
          "The Varangians are coming to you, don't even think about keeping them in the capital, otherwise they will do you the same harm as they did here, and they will scatter to different places, and don't let a single one of them in here."
  3. + 10
    April 12 2026 06: 35
    I've always wondered why modern Englishmen don't hide the fact that they were ruled by Scandinavians for a time, and that in the east of England there was even an entire state called the Danelaw. And that's not counting the similarly short-lived Viking principalities in the British Isles. Meanwhile, the French living in Normandy are downright proud of the Viking origins of their rulers (remember Hrolf!) while here in Russia, some historians, starting with Lomonosov, for some reason strive to refute and in every possible way disguise the fact of the influence of the Scandinavians (Rus) in our history...
    1. +4
      April 12 2026 07: 57
      Because it's not enough to declare that Oleg is Helgi, and Igor is Ingvar, and that Rus' is Ruotsi. A more serious argument is required.
      1. +7
        April 12 2026 10: 21
        Quote: SVD68
        And Rus' is Ruotsi. More serious argumentation is required.

        It's actually quite well-reasoned linguistically... firstly, "ruotsi" in Finnish means Swedes and Sweden, secondly, it aligns well with Russian words of Finnish origin - "rus - ruotsi", "sum - suomi" and other "chud", "em" and "vod"... However, as to why the Scandinavians "in rus" were called by Finnish names, there wasn't a good answer, and linguistics alone isn't enough here :)
        1. +5
          April 12 2026 10: 52
          Quote: Rodez
          It's true that there was no good answer to why the Scandinavians "in Rus'" were called by Finnish.
          According to Ukrainian research "scientists"Before the Revolution, Finnish dialects were spoken in the villages of central and northern Russia, and it was only the Bolshevik program of universal literacy that completely converted the country's population to Russian. I don't know if this is credible, but it's worth noting...
          1. +2
            April 12 2026 12: 56
            Quote: Luminman
            but you can take note

            I agree, that's why this theory also exists... but like any other, it can't answer all the questions and the origin of the name still remains unclear
        2. +3
          April 12 2026 21: 49
          It's simple. The Slavs were newcomers to those areas, just like the Scandinavians. And the indigenous peoples were the Finnish tribes, the Chud, Yem, Ves, and so on. And these Finnish tribes already They had a name for the newcomers from Scandinavia, Ruotsi. Sweden is still called Ruotsi in Finnish. The Slavs then simply took this Finnish "ruotsi" and reorganized it to make it "rus" (Russian), similar to the already familiar Yem, Sum, Vod, and Chud languages. I recommend a lecture on this topic by the excellent linguist and academician A.A. Zaliznyak. It's easily found online.
          1. +1
            April 13 2026 09: 40
            Quote: MikMichel
            These Finnish tribes already had a name for the newcomers from Scandinavia

            This is the "strength" of this theory... but it's not all that simple (as I noted above), the fact is that these Scandinavians "in Rus'" also called themselves that, but why the "Swedes" called themselves "Finnish" - there is no answer, and this is its "weakness"...
            P.S. For the sake of clarity, I'm greatly exaggerating: Ibn Fadlan (or the same chancery of the basileus) spoke to some "Slavs" to begin with - and who are these people of yours who arrived there on ships and are hanging out on the shore? - well, "Rus" is all sorts, the "Slavs" answer him :)
            1. +1
              April 14 2026 18: 40
              It's not a theory, but a fairly reasonable hypothesis. And where did you get the idea that the "Swedes" called themselves "Finnish"? You see, the thing is, we don't know for sure, and we never will know, what those "Swedes" called themselves. Narrative sources are unreliable. And the most logical explanation is that those "Swedes," being rather sly people—they were merchants and traders first and foremost—called themselves whatever suited them best at the time.
          2. 0
            April 13 2026 10: 44
            [quote][It's all simple/quote]
            But the author of the story disagrees with you:
            "They went across the sea to the Varangians, to the Rus'. For so the Varangians call Rus', as these are called by their friends fresher, the Druzii are Urmani, Anglyans, Ini and Gote, Tako and Si."
            Translation:
            And they went overseas to the Varangians, to the Rus. Those Varangians were called Rus, just as others are called Swedes, and others are Normans and Angles, and still others are Gotlanders, - so these.
            The author calls the Swedes Svei.
            1. +2
              April 14 2026 18: 30
              Hmm, it depends on how you look at it. And yes, the author doesn't call the Swedes the Svei. The Swedes didn't exist back then. There were the Svei-Svioni. There were the Goths-Gautians. The Urmans, essentially Norgs, also existed. And the Angles and all that jazz. But there were no Swedes. So, all's well. The main thing is what's written there: they went overseas to the Varangians, to the Rus'. So, the author of the PVL places the Rus' in exactly the same place as the other Scandinavians: overseas, i.e., on the Scandinavian coast of the Baltic. That's all we need to know, because the Swedes, Gauts, Frisians, and any other Scandinavians could have been called Varangians-Rus' upon their arrival, for example, in Aidelgjuborg-Ladoga.
    2. +5
      April 12 2026 07: 58
      while here in Russia, some historians, starting with Lomonosov, for some reason strive to refute and in every possible way disguise the fact of the influence of the Scandinavians (Rus) in our history...
      And in general, given that half of the noble families have Tatar etymology, it is somewhat absurd to be embarrassed by foreign influence on one’s own history.
      1. +4
        April 12 2026 08: 06
        The disputes never ceased.
        And how beautifully they entered literature:

        Голоса

        Zakharyin! Zakharyin! Nikita
        Romanych! Zakharyin to the throne!

        Trubetskoy
        (to Sitsky)

        Who's against this? The boyar is pure!
        We won't blame him. We'll give him what he deserves.
        And we give him honor, but he
        Not of princely descent - to be under it
        It is inappropriate for us, the descendants of Gediminas!

        Shuisky

        And especially to us, the descendants of Rurik!
      2. +4
        April 12 2026 10: 47
        Quote: 3x3zsave
        And in general, given that half of the noble families have Tatar etymology, it is somewhat absurd to be embarrassed by foreign influence on one’s own history.
        The Turkic (Cumans, later Tatars) influence on the Slavs began long before their conversion to Christianity and the formation of nations. It's enough to recall the marriages between Russian princes and Cuman women, which were quite common in the borderlands.
        1. VLR
          +3
          April 12 2026 10: 54
          The Turkic origin of the Polovtsians is currently denied by most historians. Gerasimov got burned by this in his controversial reconstruction of Andrei Bogolyubsky's appearance, believing the Polovtsians to be Turks and even Mongoloids, and therefore depicting the prince with an epicanthus. Modern reconstructions, including those by leading forensic experts, unequivocally portray a Northern European appearance.
          1. +6
            April 12 2026 11: 27
            The Turkic origin of the Polovtsians is currently denied by most historians.
            The Cumans were a Turkic-speaking people belonging to the Kipchak group! They understood the Pechenegs, who were also Turks, when communicating with them.
            Quote: VlR
            considered the Polovtsians to be Turks and even Mongoloids, and therefore depicted the prince even with an epicanthus
            Mongoloidity arrived in Rus' with the Mongols, and Andrei Bogolyubsky lived long before them. And the Polovtsians were fair-haired, and there are no fair-haired Mongoloids...
            1. VLR
              +3
              April 12 2026 11: 48
              Reconstruction of a Polovtsian man from a burial near the village of Kvashnikovo, 1989. The author is Galina Viktorovna Lebedinskaya, head of the Laboratory of Plastic Reconstruction at the Institute of Ethnography of the USSR Academy of Sciences (Institute of Anthropology and Ethnology of the Russian Academy of Sciences). One hundred percent Caucasian.
              S. A. Pletneva, Doctor of Historical Sciences, Head of the Medieval Archaeology Group of the Eurasian Steppes at the Institute of Archaeology of the Russian Academy of Sciences:
              “The anthropological data on the basis of which conclusions were drawn about the Mongoloid nature of the populations of the Great Steppe require a complete revision.”

              V. N. Zvyagin, Honored Doctor of the Russian Federation, Doctor of Medical Sciences, Professor, Head of the Laboratory of Forensic Osteological Research at the Russian Center for Forensic Medical Examination of the Ministry of Health of Russia, Head of the Department of Forensic Medical Identification, wrote in 2010:
              “The assumption that Prince Andrei could have had Mongoloid features similar to those recorded among the indigenous European population of the Volga region (Tatars, Chuvash, Bashkirs) and Central Asia (Uzbeks, Tajiks, Turkmens) is completely excluded (probability Pl ≥ 9 x 10-25).

              The same in 2011:
              «
              The reason for the transformation of the Caucasian skull, which tends toward "Nordic forms," ​​into a "Mongoloid facial character" in Andrei Bogolyubsky's sculptural reconstruction is not entirely clear. Perhaps, when working on the prince's bust, M. M. Gerasimov took into account his Russian-Polovtsian origins. At that time, it was mistakenly believed that the Mongoloid racial type was dominant among the Polovtsians.
              1. +1
                April 12 2026 22: 53
                What you have here is a reconstruction of the Polovtsian people. And it's a good reconstruction, showing fairly moderate Mongoloid features. And here's Andrey Bogolyubsky Gerasimova -
                1. VLR
                  +2
                  April 13 2026 00: 07
                  reconstruction of Polovtsian specifically

                  Yes, a reconstruction of the Polovtsian appearance by G. Lebedinskaya
            2. +1
              April 12 2026 23: 24
              The Cumans and Pechenegs certainly understood each other, but it is believed that the Pechenegs most likely spoke Oghuz Turkic, as opposed to the Kipchak language of the Cumans. It would also be worth mentioning the Torks, also known as Guzes/Uzes, from whom the name of the city of Torchesk derives. The Torks, essentially Turks, were that portion of the Oghuz who, pressed by the Kipchaks, retreated northwest and, by the 11th century, had already settled in Porosye, submitting to local princes. Unlike their southern kin, the Seljuk Turks, who converted to Islam and, around the same time, moved southwest, into Iran and beyond. If you look closely at depictions of these Seljuks, you can see with the naked eye the distinct Mongoloid features of their faces. It's clear that most Seljuk Turks had clearly pronounced Mongoloid traits, which quickly faded over time due to interbreeding with Caucasians. These interbreeding processes with Caucasians had been ongoing since the spread of the Turkic Khaganate. Thus, it can be said that the Turks were diverse, with both a predominance of Mongoloid traits in their phenotypes and a predominance of Caucasian traits. And the further west their area of ​​existence was, the more dominant Caucasian traits were in their phenotypes.
            3. 0
              April 12 2026 23: 31
              Why then would the Gothic maidens, thundering with Russian gold on the shores of the Red Sea, cherish revenge for Sharukan (the Polovtsians lost), dreaming of the times of the Busovs (Germanarich won then).
              Jordan actually points to this, saying that the Wends, who, due to our sins (Goths and Romans), are now raging everywhere, were all under the power of Hermanarich in those times, although they tried to resist due to their numbers, causing only laughter with their weapons.
              Of course, they didn't call themselves Polovtsians, because what people would compare their distinctive appearance (hair) with freshly planed flooring? And they wore their hair long... and the men did too.
              But their long-time enemies, the Slavs, called them that way.
          2. +2
            April 12 2026 22: 47
            Don't spout nonsense, it hurts. The Polovtsians are definitely TURKS. And no one but freaks denies this. Gerasimov got burned solely by the stereotype that all steppe peoples were considered Mongoloid. Even the Scythians were considered as such, hence Blok's "yes, we are Scythians, with slanted eyes." But Turkic doesn't necessarily mean Mongoloid. It's a LANGUAGE family, mind you. And among the Turks today, there are both purely Mongoloid (Yakuts, Tuvans, Khakass, etc.) and absolute Caucasoids (Turks, Gagauz, Karachay/Balkars, etc.). Moreover, Caucasoids are located in the west, and Mongoloids in the east. Similar latitudinal variability in Turkic phenotypes also existed in the 12th century. Initially, in the 5th century, the Altai Turks had a phenotype with predominantly Mongoloid features. Then, when the Turkic Khaganate expanded far to the west, and along with it, the Turkic language spread across vast areas of Central Asia, previously inhabited mainly by Caucasian Iranian-speaking people, Mongoloid features in this population assimilated by the Turks, for obvious reasons, became more prominent. latitudinal Variability, i.e., they began to decrease from east to west. After all, the offspring of Mongoloid Turks, through interbreeding with Caucasians, acquired increasingly Caucasian phenotypes over time. Therefore, the western Turkic-speaking tribes could well have had weakly expressed Mongoloid traits or none at all, in contrast to the more pronounced Mongoloid traits of the eastern Turkic-speaking tribes.
            As for the origin of the word "Polovtsy," it comes from "polova," meaning "polovye," meaning "yellow." This is a Russian tracing of the Turkic word "Sary" (balls) meaning "yellow." In this case, this isn't a hair color designation, but a common color tribal identification among the Turks: Sary-Kipchak, meaning "yellow Kipchaks," meaning "western Kipchaks," or simply "Sary." The Laurentian Chronicle, under the year 1096, mentions this endoethnonym for the Polovtsy: "rekshe: sarini esmi."
            And these Sary-Polovtsians, perhaps not all of them, but only their khan's lineage, apparently had no Mongoloid traits at all, or only weakly expressed ones, which were not passed on to Andrei Bogolyubsky, whose mother was the daughter of Khan Aepa (Osenevich) and the granddaughter of Khan Osen (Asinya). And we still don't know who her mother and grandmother were; they were perhaps also women with a European phenotype.
            So Gerasimov really messed up on this issue.
        2. +3
          April 12 2026 16: 23
          Quote: Luminman
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          And in general, given that half of the noble families have Tatar etymology, it is somewhat absurd to be embarrassed by foreign influence on one’s own history.
          The Turkic (Cumans, later Tatars) influence on the Slavs began long before their conversion to Christianity and the formation of nations. It's enough to recall the marriages between Russian princes and Cuman women, which were quite common in the borderlands.

          The key marker is "princes".
          However, even before the tradition of marrying the daughters of the Polovtsian khans, Scandinavians, Greeks, Hungarians, and even Englishwomen were noted among the wives of our princes.
      3. +2
        April 12 2026 13: 25
        They probably just didn't consider Tatars foreigners... laughing
    3. +2
      April 12 2026 12: 46
      Because it's become incredibly fashionable in Europe to rant about those who robbed and killed them for a couple of hundred years, while they simply ignored them. It's like us glorifying the Golden Horde.
      The Varangians didn't seize anything from us; they were first driven out and then brought in as mercenaries. And they didn't bring us a state; they didn't have one themselves.
      As for the nobles, they switched to Russian service. And all sorts of Kantemirs and Lermonts quickly became Russified.
      1. +1
        April 12 2026 16: 49
        And they didn’t bring us a state,

        The problem is not statehood, but the degree of participation in the formation of our community on 1/5 of the land.
        By the way, our homeland as such, with all the signs of state institutions, has existed only since 1481. After the Great Stand on the Ugra.
        1. +1
          April 12 2026 18: 18
          It's easy to see how statehood was established: a prince died in Kyiv, the Novgorod prince hired the Varangians and marched with them to Kyiv. This happened again and again, until Yaroslav the Wise, who had also pulled this trick, decided to recruit his own army from the locals and generally conduct information campaigns. Otherwise, everyone's influence was great, and the Horde is said to have taught centralized power, the Dane Dahl wrote a dictionary, a Georgian—you know what?—Cumans' princesses bore children to princes, and yet, all in all, the greatest achievement was that unknown comrade who frightened Devlet Giray that the Russian army was approaching, and he stormed Vorotynsky's fortified camp, losing his entire army. And the Varangians were simply a mercenary army; without them, merchants would have hired local or nomadic people, which is what they were doing.
  4. +1
    April 12 2026 08: 16
    Oleg, whose nickname is a literal translation into Russian of the "talking" name Helga

    Why can't the opposite theory be true? The name Oleg meant nothing to the Scandinavians, but the nickname "Prophetic" was a given. Why, that's Helga, the sacred one! Excellent—let's call him that.
    Because Oleg-Helgu seems a bit far-fetched, and it's not at all certain that he was actually Oleg. In many manuscripts, the name is rendered as Olg, Ol'g, and so on. Note that the female version of the name sounds like Olga, Olga, and not Olega, as would seem correct in Russian. The dynasty of Chernigov princes is always called the Olgovichi, not the Olegovichi. So, the real name of the Prophet is debatable. And Olg-Helgu is definitely in the realm of fantasy.
    1. +4
      April 12 2026 11: 20
      Helg-Elg-Olg-Oleg—they're clearly all from the same root. Should we be surprised by the transformation? If we call Evgeny Zhenya, and Alexandrov Sasha and Shura.
      1. +5
        April 12 2026 11: 32
        We call Evgeniy and Zhenya
        Russified French "Eugene".
        1. +6
          April 12 2026 16: 43
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          We call Evgeniy and Zhenya
          Russified French "Eugene".

          Hello my friend!
          I was in Paris the other day!
          1. +4
            April 12 2026 16: 57
            Chelyabinsk region?

            They went overboard with trimming the bushes.
            1. +3
              April 12 2026 19: 34
              Quote from Korsar4
              Chelyabinsk region?

              They went overboard with trimming the bushes.

              Yeah, but there are cheeky cats and loud roosters there!
              Looking at the Eiffel Tower under the "ku-ku-river"... France is relaxing...
              1. +2
                April 12 2026 20: 28
                That's right. If there are roosters there, they're Gallic.
                1. +3
                  April 12 2026 21: 02
                  Quote from Korsar4
                  That's right. If there are roosters there, they're Gallic.

                  And the cats Sergey in red boots and with swords!!!
                  Incidentally, the local museum has a display of "Red Banner" hussar breeches and a Budyonovka helmet. Locals recall that Blucher spent four days in the house.
                  I'll ask for a photo tomorrow.
                  Below is an interesting pennant from our “far away”
                  1. +1
                    April 13 2026 07: 48
                    We've probably all become disciplinary violators. No one's in a hurry to provide housing.
          2. +3
            April 12 2026 17: 35
            Hello, Vlad!
            Didn't make it to Fère-Champenoise?
            1. +5
              April 12 2026 19: 28
              No, it didn't work out. Last week - Chelyabinsk, Magnitogorsk, Kartaly, Chesma, Troitsk.
              Tomorrow - Zlatoust, Miass, Chebarkul.
              A mad dog won't go seven miles out of his way!
              Incidentally, in Paris, local representatives of the House of Culture insisted on filling the museum with items.
              We truly enjoyed visiting the museum. The Nagabak hut in Paris.
  5. 0
    April 12 2026 08: 27
    whoever he was: obodrite

    I personally adhere to this version. This can even be traced in the name of his descendant, Svyatoslav. Let's recall how his name was rendered by the Greeks—Sfendoslavos. Which is somewhat unclear. However, the West Slavic languages ​​had a unique pronunciation of certain forms. Sventovit, instead of the Eastern Svyatovit. Svantepluk, instead of Svyatopolk. Incidentally, it was this name that migrated to Sweden and evolved into the rather popular Svante. What was the little one's name—Svante Svantesson? But the very first Svante we know of was named Svantepluk Knudsson...

    So, if Svyatoslav was actually Sventoslav, Svanteslav, then the Greek rendering as Sfendoslav is quite accurate. This means that even three generations later, the dynasty retained its Obodrite origins. It became Svyatoslav in later Russian sources, as a more familiar and convenient form of the name.
    1. +6
      April 12 2026 11: 36
      Quote: paul3390
      So, if Svyatoslav was actually Sventoslav
      Throughout Swedish historiography, Svyatoslav is called Svineldom ...
  6. 0
    April 12 2026 08: 32
    Vladimir Monomakh's son Mstislav

    Have a conscience – Mstislav's middle name is in honor of his grandfather, the last Saxon king of England, Harold Godwinsson! His mother is Gytha Haroldovna! He's not Harald, he's Harold! And Scandinavians have nothing to do with it.
    1. VLR
      +5
      April 12 2026 08: 42
      Harald and Harold are the same name. And after her father's death, Gytha lived with her Danish relatives. England was firmly on the path to becoming another Scandinavian country. The invasion of the Frenchified Normans (whose nobility was also of Scandinavian descent) shattered English history, turning it in an unnatural direction. The enmity between the Normans and the natives, who even spoke different languages, persisted for several generations. This hostility forms the basis of the plot of the novel "Ivanhoe": the hero is cursed by his father for entering the service of the Norman king, Richard the Lionheart.
      1. +1
        April 12 2026 09: 25
        The name is the same, but what does Mstislav-Harold have to do with Scandinavia? John and Ivan are also the same name, but does that mean Ivan Vasilyevich the Terrible was English?
      2. +5
        April 12 2026 10: 10
        Quote: VlR
        hostility between the Normans and the natives, who even spoke different languages, persisted for several generations

        By the way, many people don’t even suspect that modern English belongs to the group of Germanic languages, like the Scandinavian ones
      3. 0
        April 13 2026 15: 07
        Just look at the English spelling of the name Ivanhoe to understand that things aren't so simple with names :)
    2. +7
      April 12 2026 11: 04
      Quote: paul3390
      He is not Harald, he is Harold!
      The thing is that it is impossible to write the sound using Cyrillic symbols h, which exists in Germanic languages, is simply impossible. It is not pronounced as a sound. х, and not as a sound г, and as a fricative г, as they pronounce this sound in Ukraine or southern Russia, only softer and more aspirated. You got the correct answer:
      Quote: VlR
      Harald and Harold are the same name.
      P.S. My grandmother had a propaganda book from the 1940s, in which Hitler was called Hitler, Himmler was called Himmler, and the city of Hamburg was called Hamburg...
      1. +3
        April 12 2026 13: 41
        Quote: Luminman
        The fact is that it is simply impossible to write the h sound, which is present in Germanic languages, using Cyrillic characters.


        Did anyone care about such subtleties? The Latin "Homo" can be pronounced both as "homo" and "homo."
        Harold, Harald... these are minor subtleties. Minor differences persist even today in local dialects.

        Some people have Richard, some have Rihard... so what?
  7. +2
    April 12 2026 08: 39
    It turned out that these "Ros" speak a "northern language" and are suspiciously similar to the "Sweons"

    This point is convincingly explored by Lesnoy. Here, characters arrive at the court of the Frankish emperor with a letter from the Byzantine emperor. It states: "These are ambassadors from the Rus' people, please let them through." If the Rus' are actually Swedes, what's the problem? Even if they are hostile to the Franks, they are ambassadors with a letter, so why detain them? Assistance is needed.
    But this is precisely what alarmed the Franks: how could it be that the charter stated they were Russians, but upon inspection they were Swedes? Enemies. It's suspicious, though; we need to check to see if it's a setup.
    So, the conclusion from this episode is obvious: the Franks did not consider the Russians to be Swedes at all.
  8. +1
    April 12 2026 08: 44
    In the fragments of Olga's speeches that have come down to us in the chronicles, obvious Scandinavisms have been discovered.

    We don't know who the sources were for the chroniclers, either ours or the Byzantines. Perhaps they were mercenary Scandinavians from the retinues that later transferred to Byzantium, which was common at the time. So, the presence of Scandinavisms is quite natural... Incidentally, the same applies to the names of the rapids on the Dnieper in Constantine Porphyrogenitus.
  9. +2
    April 12 2026 08: 54
    which we call Nordmannos by place of residence

    Many Western sources refer to Olga as Regina Rugorum, not Regina Russorum, as would seem appropriate. That is, she was the queen of the Rugi, not the Rus. And since the Rugi of the 9th-10th centuries were clearly Western Slavs, this is the conclusion. And if Rurik was indeed an Obodrite, as were a significant portion of his retinue, it's understandable why Olga was specifically the queen of the Rugi, not the Slavs. Moreover, it's unclear what was meant by the term "Slavs" back then—a general term for all Slavic peoples, or Novgorodian Slovenes. If the latter, then yes, it's possible that after leaving for the south, Novgorod wasn't entirely subordinate to his successors. Formally, it was considered under their control, but it governed quite independently, as it subsequently did.

    Normans aren't a people, but a general term for all northerners. And it's not entirely clear why the Obodrites, former neighbors of the Danes, wouldn't also be Normans. They were northerners, weren't they? They differed very little from the Vikings.
    1. +6
      April 12 2026 11: 13
      Quote: paul3390
      And since the Rugs of the 9th-10th centuries are obviously Western Slavs
      It is still believed that the Rugii are a Germanic tribe. Odoacer, according to some sources, was a Rugii...
      1. +2
        April 12 2026 16: 39
        Quote: Luminman
        Quote: paul3390
        And since the Rugs of the 9th-10th centuries are obviously Western Slavs
        It is still believed that the Rugii are a Germanic tribe. Odoacer, according to some sources, was a Rugii...

        The Rugi are no less challenging than the Rus. There are at least seven positioning points from the Elbe to the Caspian Sea. The Rus are no less challenging from the Baltic to the Crimea (Kuban).
        1. +1
          April 13 2026 07: 12
          Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
          It is no less difficult with the Rugs than with the Rus.


          According to the rules of so-called palatalization (softening of vowels), the derivative of "rug" is "rouge." In French, "rouge" means red (Moulin Rouge). So, these "rugs" were associated with the color red. This could be clothing, hair color, or equipment such as shields. However, red has also been popular among Russians since ancient times.
          It is possible that these Rugians, like the Rus, were associated not with a specific people, but with a certain social group or class among peoples of Indo-European origin, which explains such a wide distribution.
      2. +2
        April 12 2026 23: 40
        Odoacer was not a Rugius, even if some ancient authors call him so. He was most likely a Sciri, a people subject to the Huns, since Priscus of Panium called his father, Edica/Edecon, a close confidant of Attila, a "natural Huni." At the Battle of Bolia in 469, the Sciri were routed by the Ostrogoths, and their rex, Edica, was killed. Odoacer disliked the Goths from then on. He could not have been a Rugius for one simple reason: as ruler of Italy, he waged brutal war against the Rugii, ultimately genociding them so completely that they were forced to leave their Rugiland (in the former Roman Noricum) and settle among the Ostrogoths of Theodoric the Amal.
      3. 0
        April 14 2026 07: 23
        Quote: Luminman
        It is still believed that the Rugii are a Germanic tribe. Odoacer, according to some sources, was a Rugii...


        The only question is who was considered Germanic back then. Perhaps "Germans" (which isn't a self-designation) was a term used to describe Slavs.
        Today's German archaeologists even complain: during excavations in their native Germany, they constantly find artifacts of Slavic origin.
        1. +1
          April 14 2026 19: 10
          About the Germans, read G. Julius Caesar, Tacitus, Pliny the Elder, Strabo, Plutarch, and others.
          For more on the Rugi, see Tacitus and Claudius Ptolemy. The Rugi are also mentioned by Procopius of Caesarea and by an unknown author from the first half of the seventh century in his work "The Origin of the Lombard People." Jordanes also wrote about them, or more precisely, the Ulmerugi, or island Rugi.
          The Rugii are undoubtedly a Germanic tribe.
          German archaeologists are finding artifacts from the Slavic presence in what is now Germany. There used to be a country called the GDR, if you recall. And practically its entire territory was settled by the so-called Polabian Slavs around the 7th century, perhaps even earlier. This explains the Slavic artifacts, the rich Slavic toponymy, and the surviving Sorbs and Lusatians, and their Slavic language, Sorbian Lusatian.
          1. 0
            April 15 2026 08: 23
            You can read it, but is it worth believing those who were clearly biased (like Caesar) or who themselves received information through third parties?
            Once again, we don't know who the ancient sources called "Germans"; they may have used the term too loosely. They could have used the same terms "Scythians" or "Vandals" to refer to a wide variety of peoples, without bothering to distinguish between the various types of barbarians. Especially since these ancient authors were not lacking in bias.
            Yeah, and some argue that the ancestors of modern Germans began to explore the territory of Germany only in the 12th century AD, starting their conquests from the territory of Denmark.
            So the Polabian Slavs could well have had predecessors, also simply Slavic or Proto-Slavic. If there's no archaeological confirmation of this, then... "We need to dig deeper; this isn't an army!" laughing
            1. +1
              April 15 2026 12: 23
              You don't need to believe. You need to know. Historical science, archaeology, and source studies know. Again, we know perfectly well who the ancient sources called "Germans." These texts are full of "burdens seeking differences in the types of these barbarians" and other explanations, as well as geographical references. Archaeology also digs and finds, and ties different cultures to specific territories. This is incomprehensible to you, since you are obviously far from academia and haven't read any of the authors listed, nor have you read the articles by scholars analyzing their accounts, archaeological research, etc. As for any "bias" of ancient authors, that's what the aforementioned science of source studies is for, which examines sources, separating the so-called grains of truth from the chaff of bias and other flaws.
              And yes, the term "Scythians" has been used to refer to a wide variety of peoples since the time of Herodotus. This is an ancient ancient tradition, in which the term "Scythian" eventually ceased to denote an ethnonym and became an ethnikon (ethno-horonym), i.e., a designation for the inhabitants of a specific region or area, derived from the name of the area itself (toponym), in this case, a certain territory called Scythia, and also a synonym for "barbarians." In Christian times, the word "Scythian" came to denote pagans. It turned out to be a very capacious word.
              This also includes the ancient tradition of transferring the names of earlier, more ancient peoples to tribes and peoples contemporary to the authors. Scholars are well aware of this. Similar perturbations occurred with the names of the Huns, Vandals, Rugi, and a host of other names.
              And all this has scientific explanation and justification.
              And as for "some people claiming," well, some are saying it's like milking chickens. You'd be better off listening not to these "some people," who are mostly armchair freaks, hack writers, and fabricators, but to scientific data. Fortunately, in the age of the internet, you can get plenty of reasoned and scientifically supported information on many interesting historical questions. That is, of course, if you're interested in history from a scientific perspective, and not the warm and fuzzy folklore that's so heartwarming.
    2. +3
      April 12 2026 13: 37
      Quote: paul3390
      And since the Rugs of the 9th-10th centuries are obviously Western Slavs, hence the conclusion.


      And who are these mythical "Rugians"? Was there even such a people or tribe?
      Medieval chroniclers referred to our country in Latin as Ruthenia. A chemical element, ruthenium, was even eventually named after our Russia-Ruthenia.

      But sometimes copyists made mistakes, resulting in variants like Rutenia or Ruhenia. The latter is where these "Rugi" originated.
      1. +3
        April 12 2026 23: 53
        The Rugii are a Germanic tribe that lived along the Baltic coast until the Goths, during their great southward migration, forced them to migrate to Central Europe. The Rugii, among many Germanic tribes, were part of the Hunnic Empire. Later, when it disintegrated, they attempted to establish their own state, Rugiland, in the former Roman Noricum. However, they were twice defeated and genocided by Odoacer. Rugiland then disappeared, and the Rugii were forced to settle among the Ostrogoths of Theodoric the Amal. Together with them, they later conquered Italy, forming the Ostrogothic Kingdom. During the Gothic Wars, as Procopius of Caesarea wrote, the Rugii were still quite present, and a king, Eraric, was even elected from among them. However, when he was discovered to be secretly communicating with the enemy, he was slaughtered. All traces of the Rugi disappear with the end of the Gothic Wars, meaning they were most likely exterminated, like most of the Italian Goths, or died of famine and disease that ravaged war-ravaged Italy. All later references to the Rugi are simply transfers of the names of more ancient peoples to peoples contemporary to the author of a given text.
    3. +4
      April 12 2026 13: 42
      They could have called us Scythians... out of habit.
    4. +2
      April 12 2026 16: 35
      Northerners, right?

      It is debatable, if you believe the PVL, that the northerners lived south of the Polyans.
  10. +3
    April 12 2026 09: 08
    Some of the Normans who had arrived on the shores of France headed south and laid siege to Seville. Local chronicles refer to the newcomers as warriors of the "Ar-Rus people."

    Saxo Grammaticus has a passage about Viking bands of Danes and Slavs beginning to plunder the shores of England in those years. The quote isn't exact; I'm too lazy to look it up. If the connection between Rugii and Rus' is correct, and the Rugii are Western Slavs, neighbors of the Danes, then why didn't some of them join their neighbors on a lucrative raid? The Danes stayed to plunder the Franks, while the Rugii decided to sail to distant, unknown lands. And I wonder what's there, and perhaps the loot is even richer.
  11. +8
    April 12 2026 12: 26
    unanimously claim that the contemporary Rus' are not Slavs, but people of Scandinavian origin
    .

    "... I swear on my honor that for nothing in the world would I want to change my Fatherland, or have any other history than the history of our ancestors, such as God gave it to us” –
    A.S. Pushkin
  12. -3
    April 12 2026 14: 06
    A much greater role in the history of Rus' was played by the successor of the semi-mythical Rurik, Oleg, whose nickname is a literal translation into Russian of the “talking” name Helga.
    This absurdity was invented by the Germans, who took on the task of writing Russian history under Catherine, and who sought to attribute all the great deeds of the Russians to foreigners.

    Back in the 19th century, Russian historians put forward a well-founded explanation: the name Oleg (Voleg) and its female form Olga (Volga) are of Slavic origin and come from the word VOLYA.
    The great Russian river is named after Volga.
    The Annals of Bertin claim that in 839, people arrived at the court of the Frankish Emperor Louis the Pious, along with ambassadors from the Byzantine Emperor Theophilus, “who said that their people were called Ros (Rhos), and who, as they said, had a king named Hakan (Scandinavian name Hakon?
    Russian princes were called Khagans (Khakans) - a fact that has long been known and has been found in publications by Russian historians since the 19th century.
    1. +2
      April 14 2026 08: 58
      Oleg (Voleg) and his female form Olga (Volga) are of Slavic origin and come from the word VOLYA.

      A primitive interpretation in the spirit of Zadornov. Even the epic hero Volga Vseslavich is not "Free," but specifically "Prophetic," the only hero with a name that is not neutral, but clearly descriptive of him. Folk memory has preserved the meaning of this name.
      1. -1
        April 14 2026 13: 01
        A primitive interpretation in the spirit of Zadornov.
        In fact, this interpretation was proposed by the famous Russian historian, Doctor of Historical Sciences D.I. Ilovaisky, who never tired of repeating that there is no need, like German historians, to persistently seek out something foreign where there is only something originally Russian.
        namely, "The Prophetic One", the only hero with a name that is not neutral, but clearly "speaks" about him
        I can’t say anything about the heroes; researching fairy tales and stories is not part of my interests.

        As for the names, there is every reason to believe that Oleg (Voleg) and Igor are Russian-Slavic names, to which the Germans who composed the history of Rus' (adapting to the demands of the Russian autocrats) tried with all their might to give a foreign interpretation.
        And you have to be, to put it mildly, a very strange person to believe that the name Oleg (Voleg) is an arbitrary derivative of the name Helga.
        1. +2
          April 14 2026 14: 09
          Ilovaisky is long outdated, and you'd have to be very naive to cite it now. And your fantasies about the Slavic names Ingvar-Igor and Helgi-Oleg are on your own conscience. Also, call the names Sveneld and Asmud Slavic.
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            April 14 2026 15: 16
            Ilovaisky is long outdated
            Count as your heart tells you. I've voiced my arguments.
            And your fantasies about Slavic names
            These are not fantasies, but hypotheses put forward by the Russian historian, Doctor of Historical Sciences D.I. Ilovaisky.
            But you have the right to put forward your own hypotheses - we have a free country and everyone has the right to write nonsense
            Also, call the names Sveneld and Asmud Slavic.
            I won't take it upon myself to judge whether they are Slavic or not for the simple reason that to date no one has compiled a complete list of Slavic names, as this is not possible.
            I will also add that the names Sveneld and Asmud became known from Greek chronographs, i.e. they were written down by ear by the Greeks and it is not a fact that they were correct.
  13. +4
    April 12 2026 22: 46
    Regarding traces of Scandinavians/Wargs/Vikings, one cannot help but recall the so-called "runic stones".
    A number of runestones associated with the Varangian era are known in Russia and neighboring countries. The most famous is the Berezan Runestone, discovered in 1905 by archaeologist Ernst von Stern during excavations at a Scandinavian burial site he had discovered. It contains the runic inscription: "Gran made this burial in memory of Karl, his comrade" (Grani gærði hvalf þessi æftiʀ Karl, felaga sinn).
    The Varangian Runestones in Sweden are memorial steles and rock inscriptions commemorating the Vikings' eastern campaigns in the region of Garðaríki (Old Norse: Garðaríki). They are an important source for the history of Russo-Scandinavian relations. The inscriptions, written in Old Norse using Futhark runes, include references to locations associated with the territory of modern-day Russia (for example, Garðar, Holmgarðr, and modern-day Veliky Novgorod).
    "The overwhelming majority of those in whose memory the stones of the first half of the 11th century were erected "died," "were killed," or "fell" during their journeys to the east, which speaks of the vigorous military activity of the Scandinavians in Rus' during this period." (c)
    1. +4
      April 13 2026 17: 03
      One cannot help but recall the Arab traveler Ibn Fadlan. He directly identified the Rus' with the Varangians. He described in detail the burial of a noble Varangian on a ship. They fought and traded. Moreover, their main occupation was the slave trade.
      1. +3
        April 13 2026 18: 36
        One cannot help but recall the Arab traveler Ibn Fadlan. He directly identified the Rus' with the Varangians.

        Let us remember that the starting point for the introduction of Ibn's story into circulation was Iqut, who lived a century and a half later.
        Iykut's peer was Yaroslav Vladimirovich, who gave Novgorod the Russian Truth, where the Varangians had a different legal status from other free men.
        1. +1
          April 14 2026 07: 18
          Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
          Iykut's peer was Yaroslav Vladimirovich, who gave Novgorod the Russian Truth, where the Varangians had a different legal status from other free men.


          Pardon me, Yaroslav was... madam?
          Well, Yaroslav the Wise actively used Varangian mercenaries in his struggle for the throne, which is perhaps why he decided to reward them with perks. Especially since those Varangians, back in the very beginning, before Yaroslav had even ascended the Kyivan throne, had been severely punished by the Novgorodians for their arbitrary actions.

          In general, one shouldn't place too much trust in these chronicles, annals, and the like, since their authors are clearly biased. That same Nestor with his PVL... that monk penned his opus in the monastery founded by that same Yaroslav. But if Svyatopolk had won the struggle for the throne and financed the monastery's creation, we would have read in the opus about Svyatopolk the Wise and Yaroslav the Accursed, who (Yaroslav) brutally murdered Boris and Gleb... I have no doubt about that.
  14. -2
    April 13 2026 14: 08
    Oleg made a fateful decision: to leave Novgorod, where the princes had virtually no power, and head south, where, again, an existing city—Kyiv—was not founded but captured. And, with little knowledge of the local language, he declared this city not the father, but the mother of Russian cities.
    It was not he who declared her mother, but the Greeks in their chronicles called her μητρόπολις - “metropolis”, which means mother.
    And Oleg could not have known the local language poorly, since apparently he did not sail from anywhere, but was originally a Kyiv prince.

    The author has little knowledge of the sources, but is well acquainted with the fables.
    1. +2
      April 14 2026 08: 54
      Complete nonsense, as in all other posts by Xavier.
  15. +3
    April 13 2026 22: 43
    According to ancient chronicles, the first place the Vikings sighted on the Iberian Peninsula was Gijón in Asturias, but they only mention that they may have landed to resupply. They then headed further west, to Galicia, under the leadership of a certain Vittingur. The Asturian king Ranimir I, whose Latinized name is Ranimirus, came out to meet them and defeated them near modern-day A Coruña. The chronicles may have exaggerated the extent of the Vikings' defeat, given that they continued their journey south into an area under Islamic control; in any case, they failed. These northern seafarers, who had settled the Azores before the Portuguese, settled in England, Ireland, Sicily, and Normandy in France; it would not be surprising if they also settled in Russia. I know there is a lot of debate about Russia's origins, but such debates are going on everywhere, and no one is willing to give in.
    1. +2
      April 14 2026 07: 28
      Quote from Carlos Sala
      I know there is a lot of debate about Russia's origins, but such debates are going on everywhere, and no one is willing to give in.


      Well, not everywhere, but in England—hardly. After all, arguing about the origins of statehood in this country is pointless. It doesn't matter who won the Battle of Hastings: both sides were foreign invaders. And the locals could only passively watch which invader would have (in every sense of the word) the natives. And the natives ultimately lost almost all of their language and culture. Today's Englishmen bear no relation whatsoever to the Britons of Caesar's time.
      1. 0
        April 14 2026 17: 08
        Don't put too much stock in English myths. The English are primarily Celtic with the R1b genotype, with Saxons making up only 25%, and Italics and Romans making up the other 5%.
        1. +1
          April 15 2026 07: 54
          The English themselves, and their historians, claim a very indirect connection to the Celts-Gauls. The indigenous population allegedly originated from the territory of modern-day Spain, not France. And the fact remains: the culture and language of the English have little in common with their Celtic counterparts.
          The Welsh can be considered the descendants of the Britons. Welsh and English differ greatly, effectively being different languages. However, Scots and Irish are also different. In English, the expression "speaking Irish" means "pronouncing gibberish."
  16. -1
    April 14 2026 09: 50
    The First Centuries of Russian History. Traces of the Scandinavians

    The Norman lobby is clearly on display. Why only traces of the Scandinavians? Where are the traces of the Arabs, Turks, Baltic Slavs, and, by the way, the Khazars, to whom the Eastern Slavs were tributaries?
  17. -1
    3 May 2026 12: 07
    The problem is that at the gene level, traces of the so-called "Norman" tend to zero, as Klesov and Balanovsky testify Yes
    And the famous proverb now sounds like this: “Scratch a Tatar and you will find a Russian” (according to Balanovsky).
    The article is excellent, the author has worked with accessible history, all that remains is to fit the genetics onto the globe.
  18. 0
    31 August 2026 18: 07
    Rurik of Friesland has no relation to Rurik of Russia.